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Jurassic Annie · Large Nerdron Collider

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  Speaker 1: The Large Nerdrun Collider Podcast is a production of My
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  Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hi everybody, welcome to the Large nerdron Collider Podcast,
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  Speaker 1: the podcast that's all about the giggy things happening in
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  Speaker 1: the world around us and how very excited we are
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  Speaker 1: about them. I'm Ariel casting and with me as always is.
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan doesn't like to watch the trailers strickling. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you cut me to the quick, but it's all true. Hi, Ariel,
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  Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good? How are you? I'm good?
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  Speaker 1: I have another question for you besides how are you? So,
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  Speaker 1: here's your question. Alright, Ariel, You've been called up to
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  Speaker 1: be in a tag team wrestling match, going up against
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  Speaker 1: the current champions, and your partner can be anyone, real
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  Speaker 1: or fictional. Who do you pick? I mean, like, gut
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  Speaker 1: reaction would be the Hulk. Um, but like I'm worried
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  Speaker 1: for my opponents. That's the case. They are very bad people.
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  Speaker 1: You don't need to be worried about them. Okay, then
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  Speaker 1: then the Hull. You know, I'm going to go with
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  Speaker 1: my gut The Hulk. He's one of my favorite superheroes.
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  Speaker 1: I like how he smashes things and and he has
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  Speaker 1: experience in fighting in arena style matchups, exactly exactly. How's
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  Speaker 1: about you, squirrel Girl. I feel like that's like your
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  Speaker 1: answer for I mean, it's it's you. You automatically win, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe I'll have to do anything. Squirrel Girl will
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  Speaker 1: beat everybody, the referee, the other team, the crowd. She's
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  Speaker 1: she's got rabid. I mean, I don't know how she
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  Speaker 1: does it. She just does it right. I'm not here
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  Speaker 1: to tell squirrel Girl how to do her thing fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just here to collect the gold belt at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the match so that I have something, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a really nice successory, and then I gotta figure out
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  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do with it. Hang it on your
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  Speaker 1: wall with all of your other behind me. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: which no, none of our listeners can see. But there's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of welcome to Nightville posters and a Minecraft
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  Speaker 1: torch and some mukuleles, a Pride flag and a poster
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  Speaker 1: with me on it. All I can see is like
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of your white shoulder. So I wasn't sure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a tech stuff poster. Well, we have
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  Speaker 1: some cool geeky stuff to talk about this week, some
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  Speaker 1: stuff that we're excited about. One of those being a
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  Speaker 1: new shuan Chi trailer where you know, we we saw
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  Speaker 1: the teaser a couple of months ago, and I'm only
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  Speaker 1: dug the teaser. I thought it was effective and gave
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  Speaker 1: a kind of cool overview of what some of the
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  Speaker 1: movie was about without giving away too much. This new
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  Speaker 1: trailer we get a little bit more. We get a
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  Speaker 1: lot more backstory about the relationship between Shang Chi and
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  Speaker 1: his father. Yeah, and a little bit with his mom. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I guess because it's the backstory just didn't get grabbed
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  Speaker 1: me quite as much as the initial teaser did. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But then in reading the articles about the trailer that
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  Speaker 1: came out, I realized that the Abomination from the Ed
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  Speaker 1: Norton Hulk is in it. Yeah. Yeah, And you know
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  Speaker 1: we had heard that Ed Norton or not Ed Norton.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that Tim Roth, who played Abomination, that he
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  Speaker 1: was going to come back and and play Abomination in Shield.
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  Speaker 1: So it may very well be that we have tim
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  Speaker 1: Roth in uh In in shuan Chi as well, or
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  Speaker 1: at least the Abomination version of that character. Also, did
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  Speaker 1: you did you notice who Abomination was fighting? I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I just assumed it was shuan Chi. No, it's not
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  Speaker 1: shaan Chi. It's a sorcerer. It's one of the sorcerers.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, it might be one that we've seen
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  Speaker 1: before because he's he's got the the golden disks up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh is it? Um, Benedict Wonk. Yes, that's who I
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  Speaker 1: think it is. Okay, that's just me thinking that. That's
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  Speaker 1: because we don't get a real look at his face
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  Speaker 1: in the short little snippet we see in the trailer.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it looks like there's sort of a tournament
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing going on, and those are two of
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  Speaker 1: the participants in the tournament. Yeah, and I'm I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember his character's name. I just remember the
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  Speaker 1: actor's name. Um. Although now it is hitting me how
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  Speaker 1: very funny it is to have two Benedicts and doctor Strange. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but it's looks cool. I think I think this is neat.
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  Speaker 1: It's got like, it's clearly got a lot of fantastical
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  Speaker 1: elements to it. I mean there's a lot of sort
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  Speaker 1: of woush you kind of like the crouching tiger, hidden
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  Speaker 1: dragon sort of feel to some of it. Uh, there's
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  Speaker 1: some more of the kind of classic Marvel adventure action
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  Speaker 1: stuff wrapped in there, So I'm I'm really curious to
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  Speaker 1: see how this all shakes out. It looks it looks
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  Speaker 1: good to me. I mean, it's interesting because it's another
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  Speaker 1: one of those characters that I don't know that much about,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm excited to kind of go into it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: largely without preconceptions. Yeah. The Marvel movies about the characters
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  Speaker 1: who I have very little pre existing investment in, seem
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  Speaker 1: to have the most reward for me in general. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxy is the same way. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you. And uh, you know, we also
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  Speaker 1: learn more about the Ten Rings, which is something that's
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  Speaker 1: been talked about since the first Iron Man movie, so
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  Speaker 1: that's also kind cool. Yeah yeah, um, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: really looking forward to seeing Saarin in there, and uh
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  Speaker 1: not not those rings. We should probably move on to
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  Speaker 1: something else, we should, So our next story is another trailer. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, prior to our episode, Jonathan and I were like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about trailers too much because
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  Speaker 1: you guys can't really see them. So we will post
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  Speaker 1: links to the articles and the trailers in our show
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  Speaker 1: notes if you haven't seen them already and want to
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  Speaker 1: check them out at www dot larger r drunker dot com.
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  Speaker 1: But there were too many good ones to talk about
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  Speaker 1: this week, and so Apple TV is doing an adaptation
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  Speaker 1: of Isaac Adsmov's Foundation Series. Yeah. The Foundation Series started
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  Speaker 1: off as a series of short stories that Isaac Asimov
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  Speaker 1: published or wrote and had published in the nineteen forties
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  Speaker 1: and fifties, and it follows sort of the course of
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  Speaker 1: a lactic empire that's in decline and how characters are
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  Speaker 1: attempting to salvage what they can in order to minimize
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  Speaker 1: the impact of that decline, um largely through the the
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  Speaker 1: efforts of a mathematician who has sort of predicted this
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  Speaker 1: downfall by just looking at the math of it, kind
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  Speaker 1: of looking it's sort of like the law of big numbers.
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  Speaker 1: You're looking at these huge patterns and discovering that the
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  Speaker 1: actual galactic empire is itself about to fall apart, which
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  Speaker 1: gets them into some hot water with the the rulers
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  Speaker 1: of the Galactic Empire. The trailer makes it look way
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  Speaker 1: more action oriented that the stories, where the stories were
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  Speaker 1: kind of more like socio political kind of stories. They
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  Speaker 1: weren't like, you know, pup you laser stories. But it
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  Speaker 1: looks like we're going to get some pupe laser action
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  Speaker 1: in the Foundation uh series. There. Yeah, we knew they
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  Speaker 1: were going to take some liberties. I know. I showed
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  Speaker 1: this to my mom because she loves the Foundation series,
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  Speaker 1: and she was like, well, I don't remember that being
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  Speaker 1: the story. Um, but you know, I feel like sometimes
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about it before, adaptations make for a better
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  Speaker 1: viewing experience when they move a little further away from
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  Speaker 1: the source material, making more cinematic. I mean, honestly, like,
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  Speaker 1: if you were to tell me somehow I had managed
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  Speaker 1: to be ignorant of the fact that there was a
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  Speaker 1: Foundation series being made anyway, if you had told me
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  Speaker 1: that that was happening, I would have said, but why
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  Speaker 1: because because I wouldn't think of it as being something
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  Speaker 1: particularly filmable. So I'm not like up in arms about
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  Speaker 1: the changes. I think that they're probably necessary in order
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  Speaker 1: to tell a dramatic story. Like it's the story is
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  Speaker 1: interesting just on its own, but I don't think of
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  Speaker 1: it as being the kind of interesting that's going to
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  Speaker 1: attract a sci fi loving viewership, right, So, um, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure if I'm gonna actually dig
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  Speaker 1: this one. Honestly, I don't have Apple Plus yet, which
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  Speaker 1: is what this series is on. But considering what we're
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  Speaker 1: about to talk about in a second, I have a
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  Speaker 1: feeling that maybe I'll end up getting Apple Plus and
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  Speaker 1: have yet another streaming service I gotta deal with. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I might buy Apple Plus for like a month to
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  Speaker 1: watch this and the other thing we're about to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: The thing with this, the reason why you probably missed it.
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  Speaker 1: Originally it was going to be on Netflix and then
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  Speaker 1: it got delayed, and then I got picked up by
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  Speaker 1: Apple TV, so oh interesting. And Netflix is not known
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  Speaker 1: for letting stuff get away, so that is interesting. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think they changed writers as well, but I'm not certain. Yeah. Maybe,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe in that process that's where we started to
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  Speaker 1: see a kind of a further departure from the way
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  Speaker 1: the story was originally told in the book and the
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  Speaker 1: short stories. But yeah, I mean, we'll take a look
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  Speaker 1: and see. It's I'm always happy to see more sort
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  Speaker 1: of prestige science fiction come out, right, like it's it's
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  Speaker 1: nice to see stuff that is beyond just the the
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  Speaker 1: kitchy and goofy sci fi. Not that I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: I love kitchi and goofy sci fi too, but it's
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  Speaker 1: fun to see things that are they kind of span
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  Speaker 1: the gap between the kitchy, goofy fun SF and the
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  Speaker 1: super duper serious, heavy s F. You know, like there's
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's there's some room in the middle there,
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  Speaker 1: and I think this kind of takes that space. I
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  Speaker 1: agree on the super kitchy side of things, although I
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  Speaker 1: guess it's not technically science fiction. Apple Plus is also
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  Speaker 1: giving us a show called Megadoon Ye, which yes, is
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  Speaker 1: a play on Brigadoon. It's Cecily Strong from Saturday Night Live,
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  Speaker 1: who is one of my favorite comedians on the show,
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  Speaker 1: and Keegan Michael Key as a couple who stuck in
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  Speaker 1: a musical town. So very much feels to me, and
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  Speaker 1: then they have to deal with their relationships. So to me,
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  Speaker 1: it feels like Gallivant meets the Good Place. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a pretty good explanation that you know, you
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  Speaker 1: see in the trailer that that that Strong and Key
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  Speaker 1: are kind of bickering a bit, like it's clear that
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  Speaker 1: their relationship is at a place where they're not particularly
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  Speaker 1: happy with where it is. Then they stumble upon this
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  Speaker 1: idyllic town where everyone is singing for some reason and
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  Speaker 1: they realize they cannot leave. Um. And I agree, I
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  Speaker 1: think I think Gallivant is a really good comparison. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like it has that sort of cheeky, self aware
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  Speaker 1: sense of humor. Um. And obviously there's actually actual references
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  Speaker 1: to musicals in the trailer, both references like direct references
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  Speaker 1: where the characters are talking about musicals, as well as
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  Speaker 1: within the songs. Uh, there's a song they sing about
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  Speaker 1: Smiga Dune that is clearly a very loose parody of Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah. And beyond that, they've cast a lot
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  Speaker 1: of big Broadway names in it, Alan Cumming, Christine Chenowith,
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  Speaker 1: Jane Krakowski, and Martin Short, among others. They also have
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  Speaker 1: a yes it's right. And then Fred Armison, who I
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  Speaker 1: honestly have no idea if he's done anything on Broadway
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  Speaker 1: at all, but he's a very funny man. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I mean he's done like musical stuff on on
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  Speaker 1: shows like Portlandia, but he hasn't done as far as
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  Speaker 1: I know, he hasn't really done a lot of like
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  Speaker 1: stage musicals on like the big stage. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, seeing Alan coming in there. I mean
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  Speaker 1: he's seeing Alan coming in any gay. He's one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite performers to watch. Um he looks demented as
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  Speaker 1: heck in that trailer, and I am here for it.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, isn't that just kind of his usual
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  Speaker 1: m O? Though? I mean yeah, I mean you could.
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  Speaker 1: You could probably make that argument, and you could probably
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  Speaker 1: back it up, but I don't care. He does it well.
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  Speaker 1: Kristin Chenowith, though, is not really necessarily playing to the
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  Speaker 1: like I always associate her with as Glinda from Wicked,
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  Speaker 1: right because she originated the role. In this, it looks
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  Speaker 1: like she's playing the lead of a group of older
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  Speaker 1: women who are all kind of the dour um judges
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  Speaker 1: of various members of society. They made me think of
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  Speaker 1: the characters from The Music Man Thee Yeah, pick a
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  Speaker 1: little talk a little Yeah. It makes me think of
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  Speaker 1: them a lot, like And because there's a point where
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  Speaker 1: she turns and says, can I get a cackle? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is that's very much in the
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  Speaker 1: line of that kind of character. So I have a
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  Speaker 1: feeling that this is a show or this is this
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  Speaker 1: is a production rather that um that people who of
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  Speaker 1: musicals particularly like classic musicals are really going to get
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  Speaker 1: a lot out of it. Looked like it was definitely
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  Speaker 1: more of a throwback to that classic era of musicals
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  Speaker 1: like Oklahoma, like The Music Man, not so much, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Spring Awakening or Dear Evan Hansen or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: And Lord Michaels is actually executive producing this, so that's
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  Speaker 1: also a little fun probably and Fred Armison's in it.
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  Speaker 1: Our next story is about something that's not brand new,
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  Speaker 1: but rather something that came out earlier this year that
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  Speaker 1: then changed, which is One Division's post credit scene and
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  Speaker 1: it's in its a series finale. Now, in case you
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  Speaker 1: have not watched One Division, what's wrong with you? Pause
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  Speaker 1: this and go watch it. We can wait until you
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  Speaker 1: get back. We are going to talk about the post
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  Speaker 1: credit scene at the end of the final episode, which
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  Speaker 1: you know, depending on your point of view, has some
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  Speaker 1: spoilers in it. I would say it definitely has spoilers
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  Speaker 1: in it unless you've already seen it. There's at least
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  Speaker 1: one big one right anyway, So the scene that we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about, the way it plays out in the original
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  Speaker 1: clip is that you've got the swooping shot, probably a
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  Speaker 1: drone shot that's just going over a a remote lake
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  Speaker 1: and there's a cabin at the end of the lake.
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  Speaker 1: It's in front of a couple of trees. There's appears
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  Speaker 1: to be like a duck or something in the lake
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  Speaker 1: in front of it. And the camera swoops down. You
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  Speaker 1: see that Wanda is sitting out on the porch, sipping
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  Speaker 1: a cup of tea. She's just kind of wearing sweats,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nothing special. She gets up and starts to
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  Speaker 1: walk into the cabin. We follow her in, but instead
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  Speaker 1: of staying with her, we take a turn to a
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  Speaker 1: different room, and there we see Wanda as the astral
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  Speaker 1: version of the Scarlet, which, floating in mid air, use
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  Speaker 1: magic to read the Dark hold, a very powerful, very
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  Speaker 1: dangerous magical book in the Marvel universe that she gets
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the series. Yes, and then she glances up
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  Speaker 1: as as you hear her children crying out in some
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  Speaker 1: form or fashion. And that's it. And then, now, if
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  Speaker 1: you were to watch one division, you'll still get the
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  Speaker 1: sequence I just described, but certain things are different now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, mainly, they've just made the area that she's
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  Speaker 1: staying in look a little healthier, which I'm not entirely
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  Speaker 1: sure why. And then there's this like weird. Somebody pointed
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  Speaker 1: it out on TikTok and it's we talked about last
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  Speaker 1: week how people are like sometimes focus on the easter
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  Speaker 1: eggs more than the story, and this is one of
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  Speaker 1: those instances, because there's just like this like discoloration that
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  Speaker 1: stays the same shape and grows slightly larger as they
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  Speaker 1: pan in on the cabin where Wanda staying. And a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people think that it could be doctor strange
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  Speaker 1: that I've had some I've read that some people also
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  Speaker 1: think it might be a vision. I have another. I
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  Speaker 1: have another possibility for you arial start, for me to
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  Speaker 1: destroy your world. It's just mess up in the c
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  Speaker 1: G I. So here's here's the deal. If you watch
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  Speaker 1: the original post credit sequence, there is no little blurry
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  Speaker 1: bit in that in that corner right. That's new in
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  Speaker 1: the new version. However, if you also watch the original sequence,
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  Speaker 1: when the camera starts to zoom in on the cabin,
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  Speaker 1: you can see through a window of the cabin a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of light and it looks like it might
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  Speaker 1: have been a monitor, like a like perhaps a monitor
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  Speaker 1: for the film crew. And the guess I've seen is
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  Speaker 1: that what has happened is someone created a little digital
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  Speaker 1: overlay to block that so that the light so you
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  Speaker 1: didn't see that light anymore, so that didn't have that
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  Speaker 1: mistake in there, but they forgot to to the essentially
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  Speaker 1: just overlaid over the entire shot, not just that little bit,
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  Speaker 1: so that blurry you're seeing is actually the little patch
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  Speaker 1: essentially that was applied to make that light go away.
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  Speaker 1: So it's literally nothing more than an artifact from an
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  Speaker 1: attempted fix of something else, and it's not indicative of
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  Speaker 1: any other character's presence. However, that being said, when you
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  Speaker 1: see Wanda floating there and reading from the dark Hold,
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  Speaker 1: the music that plays is the Doctor Strange theme, and
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  Speaker 1: they actually have a credit for the Doctor Strange theme
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. Now that was also
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  Speaker 1: added in. That was added in, but I think that's also, uh,
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  Speaker 1: just because she's going to be in the Multiverse of Madness,
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  Speaker 1: But I'm thinking that it might be something where that
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  Speaker 1: sequence ends up being added into the Doctor Strange in
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  Speaker 1: the Multiverse of Madness, and that we see Strange appear
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  Speaker 1: at that sequence, similar to how we saw Strange interact
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  Speaker 1: with thor Um at the end of it of a
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  Speaker 1: movie and then we saw that full sequence later in
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  Speaker 1: a different movie. And we do know that Doctor Strange
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  Speaker 1: at one point was supposed to make an appearance in
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  Speaker 1: one division, but that didn't work out. Yeah, they cut
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  Speaker 1: it out because they didn't want to detract from Wanda's
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  Speaker 1: story or growth um or capabilities. I do find it
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  Speaker 1: interesting that that little one that Disney is usually very
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  Speaker 1: um very detailed, that they would have left that in,
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  Speaker 1: and two that it is kind of person shaped though
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't move, it is just a static shape the
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  Speaker 1: entire time. Yeah, that's why I think that. That's why
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a mistake, and that will probably get
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a third version of this post credit scene where they
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: go in and remove it again. Yeah. But I've also
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: read that people are saying that this is low Key
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: working with the t v A and that his going
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: through the low Key series is causing changes to the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: want a Verse, which is a really cool theory. But
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I just don't I don't see how going back and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: changing something like that super on the download would really
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: benefit Disneys or Marvel's storytelling. Yeah. I mean, now, granted,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: if you end up finding out that they start making
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: changes to the Falcon and the Winter Soldier too, This
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: could be the most brilliant guerrilla marketing ever, but it
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: would also be really weird. I mean you would also
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: bump up their views because people would have to go
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: back and watch a second time. Then they'd probably go,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: let me just watch the entire series. Yeah, I think
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you are probably right in your summation. It's just a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: patch that they put on and forgot to take out.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Though again I'm surprised at them for forgetting to take
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: it out. But uh yeah, it'll be interesting to see
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: how this plays out or if they go, oh, yeah,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: let's make this something. Yeah. You never know, Like sometimes
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: these do become opportunities for filmmakers to say, like, well
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that was a mistake, but we could go ahead and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: make it a thing that we did quote unquote on purpose.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll have to wait and see. Yeah, someone
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: else who's taking an opportunity is Amazon and Neil Gaiman,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: because they are coming out with a season two of
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Good Omens, which I don't think very many people suspected
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: would happen at all. No, I I certainly didn't because
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: season First of all, we didn't know it's going to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: be a season of Good Omens at all. Right, we
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: just thought. This is a mini series adaptation of a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: book which has an ending, and the mini series ended
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: where the book did, But now we're going to get
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: a season two. We don't know many details about it
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: other than that Michael Sheenan and David Tennant are coming
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: back to reprise their roles. UM very interesting to see. Like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I'm apparently Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett were talking out
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a potential sequel to Good Omens when they wrote the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: first book, but just never quite happened. So I'm really
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: curious about this. I honestly did not expect it at all.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Neither did most of our friends, who all flipped out
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: when they found out it was going to happen. Yeah,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaming kind of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: talked about it to to lay that groundwork. Not that
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Neil Gaming couldn't write something brilliant on his own, but
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it is really such a collaborative effort. Um. I just
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: hope that they really finalize their story for it before
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they start filming, because the saddest thing to me would
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: be for them to bring these characters back and then
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: not have a strong story. Yeah, I mean Neil gaming
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: is pretty reliable. But I feel the same way right because,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: like American God's kind of got a little off track
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: for lots of reasons, not that it wasn't necessarily script related,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: but that that became kind of a nightmare scenario with
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: a revolving door situation as far as people behind the scenes,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and so you definitely don't want to see something like
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that happen. But those characters were so much fun, so
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I really do look forward to seeing them do more stuff,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: as do I. As do I. And speaking of characters,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break and when we
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: come back, we're going to talk about some of our
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: favorite villains because the recent Cruella movie got us thinking
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: about it, so we're going to do that in a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: few minutes. Okay, So Ariel and I both like playing
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: bad guys. Yes, playing bad guys is fun. It is.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: You and I both have a background at working at
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: places like the Renaissance Festival, where those kind of performances
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: are very much over the top. It's not the kind
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of like subtle performance you would expect and say television
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: show or a movie. It's much much bigger, which means
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that we tend to gravitate towards more colorful and flamboyant
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and big choice villains. I know that my list, I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: certainly have a few that fall into that category. Um,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: So let's talk a bit about them. And I'll start
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: because I've got two that I think go right hand
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: in hand or hand in hook as it were, Um,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Captain Hook being one, and Doc Terminus from Pete's Dragon
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the original Pete Dragon being another. Um. Because both of
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: these characters are are are are kind of their showoffs
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: right like there, they are somewhat flamboyant and um, they
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: both of them have like very fancy layered costumes, and
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: they have this this air of aristocracy kind of like
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like they should be, uh in a much higher position
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: than they are, and they believe that wholeheartedly. And it's
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: just because of circumstance that they find themselves in slightly
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: less lofty places. And I just find them both they
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: both feel like they're kind of um hucksters or or
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a conman. I mean Doc Terminus certainly is, he's a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: snake oil salesman. Um. And uh, those are two characters
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that I used as sort of models when I was
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: creating my Lord Admiral character for the Renaissance Festival. Is
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that those kind of characteristics and mannerisms. I took a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: lot from those characters to kind of make this this
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: villain who's very full of himself and lacks any self awareness. Yeah,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I mean I tend to like that as well, although
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I vier a little away from the flamboyant and more
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to like them the suave, the charming allen so like
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: for me, great charming villains that are still a little
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: bit boisterous would be like Ursula from The Little Mermaid,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: which I know you also like her as a villain.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: We've talked about how she might be one of the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: few Disney villains we'd really like a backstory for. Um. Yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I guess Captain Hook would be another one, though again
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I know his story already. And then like old school Riddler,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like the old Adam West Batman, Riddler is one of
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: my favorite villains of all time. He's just Um, I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: don't like the New Riddler where he's so dark and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and very zodiac killer. I like that old school suave. Uh. Again,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I'm above it all so I can kind of laugh
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: at this situation sort of a character, I guess the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: way they've changed baron Zimo in Falcon and Winter Soldier,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: he would also fall into that category. I wasn't a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: huge fan of him in in Winter Soldier, in Captain
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: America Winter Soldier, but I did like him in Falcon
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and Winter Soldier, So yeah, that was that felt like
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: a redcon type of approach to that particular character, especially
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: like everyone has seen the memes of him doing the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: little dance move and in magrapor Um, and of course
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: everyone wants that coat of his Yeah, yeah, I get it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Like so some of the some of the villains I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: like are not terribly effective, but they're very comedic, like
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Lex Luthor in the Superman film from the late nineteen seventies,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: so played by Gene Hackman. He runs the gamut of
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: effective to non effective, depending version you're looking at. His
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: whole plan is to use explosives to make part of
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: California break off, so that the worthless desert land he
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: has will become beachfront property and that will make him wealthy.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: That's his plan in Superman. It is a dumb plan.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: It's reflective of the way Superman and d C comics
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: were in the you know, in parts of the sixties
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and seventies, they started to get a little campy. Now
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: in the seventies they also kind of took another turn
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and started to go really dark again. But the Superman
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: film was still very much kind of tapping into that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: same energy of the Batman television series, of that sort
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of campiness and silliness. So your villain wasn't particularly menacing.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, he does at one point attempt to drown
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Superman by you know, putting a chain with a big
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: piece of Kryptonite on it around his neck, but it's, uh,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: he doesn't come across as particularly menacing through most of
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the movie. He's he's really more again, someone who has
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: a much higher opinion of himself than anyone else does,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: with maybe the possible exception of Otis, his goofy sidekick.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Mhm yeah, but more than that. For me, what makes
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a really good villain is someone who has a grounded
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: reason for being a villain and then also very genuinely
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: believes that they're making the world a better place for
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: at least some people based on that and and and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: not selfishly so like like if you look at Thanos
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: from the Marvel movies, and I hate to keep going
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: back to Marvel, because I don't always think they do
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: villains well, but I think they've done a couple of
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: villains well. Fanos Cassilius from Doctor Strange. Fanos really believed
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that he was benefiting the universe. He thought he was
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: being selfless in his acts to save people, he had
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice some people. And to me, the really interesting
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: villains always have that sort of approach of, look, I'm
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: actually trying to make things better. It's just we've gotten
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to a point where we have to do this to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: make things better. I always find that very deep. Well,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and you've got You've also got the Vulture on your list,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: which is another great example, because that's a character who
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: also had a strong justification for behaving the way he
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: did because he was cheated out of what he had
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: been promised and he had no recourse, like he had
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: no no legitimate way to turn to have his situation corrected,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and so when when presented with no alternative, he ends
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: up turning to crime. And uh, you know again, it's
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: he's presented such a way that you feel you're probably
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: gonna feel at least a little sympathy toward him. He's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: not now Michael Keaton does a great job playing that character.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: He's not like the warm, fuzzy villain. But you you
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: sit there and say, like, no, I can see where
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: his point of view is. I mean, like um, kill
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Monger was another great example of a character who had
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: a very strong motivation that was hard to disagree with.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: It's interesting though, because and I totally agree that giving
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: villains motivations and explanations for they are the way they
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: are and you can understand their point of view. Uh,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: it makes makes them more complex and you you identify
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: more with them, and it makes them more interesting. But
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: oddly enough, a lot of my favorites are far more simplistic.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: They take almost that fairy tale approach of this is
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a bad guy, right, Like, it's not this this person
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: thinks that they're in the right and they'll do anything
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: they that they can in order to achieve their goals.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It's more like, this person is bad And I don't know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: maybe it's because I'm just like the simplicity of it.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Whereas like in real life, we know there's so many
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: different shades of gray, and it's kind of terrifying to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: think that some of the people who say some of
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the worst things you've ever heard truly believe those things
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and think that they're in the right for saying them.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: So it almost feels better when you're like seeing someone
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: who who is evil and they like acknowledge it, like
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: that's part of their that's part of their their self identity. UM. So,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: like even characters like Joker from the Dark Knight series,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: where you know Heath Ledger's version of Joker, where that
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: that's a character who is sort of chaos personified, and
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't you you get you get lies about his background,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: like he when he's explained where he gets his scars.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: You can't trust anything he says because he says something
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: different every time. UM. To me, like that was interesting
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: because I don't need to know what motivations are. Uh.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I mean granted the film Joker did that anyway, but
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I don't need to know um for him to be
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: an effective villain for me. I mean I get that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And and definitely in the real world level of things,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that is it is an upsetting thought to believe that
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: some of the things that some people say they think
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: they're really correct in making the world a better place
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: when you know from the outside looking in, you can say, oh,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that's horrible. Um. If I can separate the fantasy from
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the reality, that's when I like it. But what I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: will say, and I know I've said this before and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it again, if you make a simple
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: fairytale villain, I don't need you to make them sympathetic
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: later on. Yes, Maleficent or Crulla. From what I understand,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that movie is other than having the lead character have
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the black and white hair and having her too henchman
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: have the same hench people have the same name. Like,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: it seems like it doesn't really have anything to do.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: It kind of feels like it retcons her entire story, right,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Like it's like the character from hundred one Dalmatians is
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: not remotely the same character as Cruella from the Corolla film. Uh.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: You know I and these sort of things frustrate me
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: because at that point I would say, like, well, why
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: why didn't they just make a movie, um, about a
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: character without making that character Cruella, Uh, to tell the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: story because otherwise you've got this weird disconnect and you
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: could have a really good story, now get it. The
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: name recognition is the big part of it, right. The
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: fact that people are like, oh, I want to see
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: how Cruella became Cruella. Well, it's a bait and switch
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: because you don't, right, um is That's how I felt
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: about small Ville. I felt Smallville kept setting things up
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: where it was winking to the audience about look how
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: clever we are. Lex Luthor just said our friendship is
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: going to be the stuff of legends to Clark like, oh,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: we know what that means. And they kept setting things
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: up that as someone who knows about Superman, you already
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: know what the payoff is going to be. But then
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: they never pay it off, and you're like, well, now
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that's now, that's not even a set up anymore. That's
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: just something someone said. I think I only watched the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: first two or three seasons of Smallville. I never got
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: out when the getting was good. Oh say, I never
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: got to the end. I assumed they paid it off.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I know that they made like Luthor bald, so I
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: just assumed that that would be payoff. No, no, it was.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It was just bad. It was just it was. There
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: were a lot of little moments where they were hinting
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: at things and then they subvert it later on, And
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to me, you can't have it both ways. You can't
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: have it where you're setting things up and you're telling
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the audience go with us, You're going to find out
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: how we go from this to that thing you love,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and then subvert it and say, oh, actually we're not
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: going to that thing your love, We're going to something different.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's disingenuous. It kind of gets
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: off the path of villains. But lex Luthor plays a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: really big part in that. Um. Yeah, like I I think,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I think you know, you can have very scary villains
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: that are very effective. Like again, when it comes to
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: scary ones, one of the ones I like a lot
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: is uh is Mike Myers from the Halloween movies, which
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: in the scripts was just referred to as the Shape
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't even a character so much as sort
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: of a force of chaotic nature. Um, kind of like
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the Shark and Jaws. Well, I've got the alien from
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Alien listed as as almost more of a force of nature.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: It's doing what it does so to us attacks villainous.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I actually kind of I didn't put down the Shark
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: from Jaws or many animals. I know when people list
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: all time favorite villains, the Shark from Jaws comes up often,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: or the dinosaurs in Drassic Park or whatnot. But to me,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: like alien doesn't really count, but animals, it's hard for
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: me to view them as villains, right because they're doing
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: what they do. Yeah, well, and that's that's kind of why.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Like I would say that Myers in the Halloween films
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: falls more on the animal side than on the villain side,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: because he's never given any kind of humanity unless you
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: try and watch the terrible rob zombie version, which I
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: recommend you do not do. So, Yeah, interesting, I think
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: it's I think it's interesting to see the kind of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: stuff that we find makes effective villains. I'm curious if
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: our listeners have like certain aspects that they associate with
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a really good villain, Like what makes a really compelling
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: or interesting or entertaining villain? And I recommend that you
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: guys write to us and let us know, and we'll
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: tell you more about that at the end of the episode.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: But we have something else we have to do before
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: we get to the end, um besides take a quick break,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and that is to do our mash up, which we
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: will do after we take this quick break. So, Ariel,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: what are the two properties were mashing up today? Well,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: we're mashing up. I did mention dinosaurs from Jurassic Park,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and so we're doing Jurassic Park. And then we got
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: a news story. We get actually a bunch of musical
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: news stories this week. We weren't able to cover them all,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: but one of them is that Harry Connick Junr. Is
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: going to be playing uh Mr Daddy Warbucks's war Mr
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Daddy Oliver Warbucks in Annie Live, the next installment of
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Why are they putting a musical on TV? For us?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Which is actually a little bit um route of me
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to say. I didn't mind the Whiz at all. I
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: just think they haven't found quite the right formula yet.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: But then over the pandemic, we had a whole bunch
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of the shows must go on, and I've enjoyed some
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: of those, so um, I'm just being snarky anyhow, Yeah,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: he's going to be in it, Troggi p Henson's gonna
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: be Miss Hannaghan. I think that's great casting and I
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: will watch it because I like Annie and I like
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: those actors, and I think they're both very talented performers
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and singers. I'm deeply offended that they didn't reach out
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: to me to be Rooster. I mean, I would love
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to be Rooster's girlfriend, whose name I cannot remember at
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the moment, because she's a hilarious character. She's a hilariously
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  Speaker 1: small character. Yeah, I'd like to be her. Wouldn't mind
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  Speaker 1: being Miss Hand again, but I think Tragic p Hansen could.
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  Speaker 1: She's way more talented of a talented singer than I.
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  Speaker 1: So well, and and so for those who don't know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: just to give you a quick rundown, Annie is, of
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: course the musical adaptation of Little Orphan Annie, story about
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a a precocious, rambunctious, young orphaned girl who ends up
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  Speaker 1: be falling to the care of a billionaire Daddy Warbucks.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Um bet you can't guess how he made his money,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and uh and and yeah it's it's a long running
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: there's a long running comic strip and a beloved musical
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  Speaker 1: that's had a couple of adaptations that are, to lesser
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: degrees beloved, and um yeah, so that's gonna be one
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of them. And of course the other ones. Jurassic Park
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: we've talked about before. You should know what it is
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: by this time, if not, do reanimates dinosaurs and a
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: park on an island and they run a muck and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: then they make it back to the mainland and they
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: run a muck and then they reboot it all. Yeah,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: and then apparently the military wants to attach lasers to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: them for some reason, which never made any sense. I mean,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: why would you want dinosas whatever? The military stuff in
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the dress the new Jurassic World movies makes literally no
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: sense whatsoever. Doesn't matter. In the second Jurassic World movie,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I think they makes human DNA with the with with
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: their big bad villain if you count it as a
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: villain dinosaur their murderous dinosaur hybrid. So yeah, So we
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: are now doing our Annie and Durassic Park mashups, and
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I honestly don't know what to expect. Who would you
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: like to go first? Aerial, I'll go, I'll go first, Okay,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: go for it. Don't expect much. This is Little Orphan
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  Speaker 1: Alley a ramos um. Yeah. It's as close as I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: could find to Annie. Okay. So Little Orphan Alley was
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: left on the doorstep of the Hudson Street Orphanage when
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  Speaker 1: she was a baby, her only possession of lock it
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: with the image of mysterious Island on it. Life at
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the orphanage run by the meat and drunk. Miss Hardigan
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: is no fun. One day, Ali begins to feel odd.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: At first, Ali thinks she is just heartsick for her parents,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: but then she looks down and notices her skin is
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: tough and discolored. Maybe it's from scrubbing the floor so much.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: When Miss Hardigan comes in to yell at the girls,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Alie hides under some blankets to hide her skin condition
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and this anger's Miss Hardigan. She makes all the girls
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: at the orphanage scrub the floors is punishment to make
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: scrubbing the floors a little less miserable. Though the girls
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: break into song It's a hard knock life for scraaw growl, yes,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that's my dinosaur impression. Before they could finish, one stands
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  Speaker 1: a little orphan Alley lets out a growl of pain
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: from the singing, and lunges in a blind rage at
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the other orphans, scaring them under their beds. Ashamed of
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: her actions and afraid of what's going to happen to
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: her and sat intot ostracizing herself from her only friends,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Ali hops a laundry chuck and escapes the orphanage. Left
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: on the streets, Ali finds a stray dog who befriends her.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: At this point, not only have Allie's patches of skin
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: become hard and bumpy and scaly, but her nails have
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: grown very claw and talent like, and the dog likes
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: them for scritches. As the sun goes down in the
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: full moon rises, Ali sings a song to comfort the
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: dog and herself as they settle in for the night.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: The sun will come out tomorrow. Fet your bottom dollar
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that to mark. Growl, growl, growl, growl growl. Ali doesn't
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: know why, but she can't sing anymore. She looks into
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: a shop window nearby and sees that she has turned
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: into a dinosaur. Frightened, she finds a corner of a
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: dark alley to hide in and curls up with her
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: dog to go to sleep. In the morning, she's awaken
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: by some cops who have been looking for her and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: captured her to bring her back to the orphanage. She
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: lunges to attack them, but then realizes she's just a
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: little girl again, so they bring her back to the orphanage.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And once back at the orphanage, Ali has nowhere to
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: hide and no one to turn to other than her dog,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: who she has hid under her bed. Thankfully, Before long,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Grace Sadler, assistant to the billionaire Alan war Grant, comes
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: to the orphanage to find an orphan to treat to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a nice Christmas. It will help his image because he's
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: a billionaire and that's what they do. Grace sees how
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: sad Alie is and chooses to bring her and her
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: dog to the mansion. It's beautiful, but Ali is ill
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: at ease, and every night she locks herself in her room,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: secretly afraid of once more turning into a dinosaur. Alan
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: war Grant, however, feels very drawn to the little orphan
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: and offers to adopt her. This upsets Miss Hardingan, who
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: sends her brother and his girlfriend to bring little Alie back.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: There's no reason that Ali should cause so much frustration
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: and yet get the world. That evening, the brother and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: his gal arrive at the mansion stating that they are
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: little Ali's parents and start to take her home, But
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: once they are back in their car with the orphan
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and heading back to the orphanage, Ali turns into a
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: dinosaur and eats them. The next morning, little Alie is
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: found on the doorstep of war Grant's mansion. War Grant
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: once again offers to adopt the little orphan Ali. Alie
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: says she can't let him do that, and then explains
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: that she keeps turning into a dinosaur and that's dangerous
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and she cares too much for him, And then war
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Gret tells her that he knows that. He then discloses
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: that her father was Jonathan Hammond, and when Ali was
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a small baby, she was accidentally injected with dinosaurs. Herea
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: met his Jurassic Park, and so he hit her away
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: in New York to protect her from scientists who wanted
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: to keep her in a lab and study her. War
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Gret had worked for him and at the park, and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: when Hammond passed away, war Gret was charged to find
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and care for a little Ali, but she got lost
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: and ended up at the orphanage. Then war Grant opened
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: little Allie's locket to show her that the island in
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: her locket was her home to prove his point. Ali,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: gladdened that someone knew her secret and still loved her,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: accepted the offer to become adopted and lived with Grayson Allen.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: They gave Alie a great green enclosure to rome at
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: night with lots of air steak, and they all lived
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: happily ever after. I like how you mashed up names
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of characters. Thank you. I do. I do like doing
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: that when I get lazy or I'm in a corner,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Well here's mine. This one's called the Sarah Pods. Out tomorrow. Already,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Daddy Warbucks has a problem. His business partner, John Hammond,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: is convinced that the new adventure park that the two
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: plant open is missing something, and the time for the
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: official unveiling of the park is just around the corner.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Suddenly we cut. We're now with doctors Alan Grant and
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Ellie Satler on a fossil dig. Suddenly, their dig is
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: interrupted by an arriving helicopter, which blows dirt around, threatening
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: some of the freshly uncovered fossils. Determined to find out
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: what's going on, they head back to their campers and
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: discover Hammond waiting for them. Hammond explains that he has
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: a special adventure park, sort of the Safari Zoo type thing,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and he needs Satler and Grant to come and see
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: it and sign off on it before he and Warbucks
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: can open it to the public. He offers to pay
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: their expenses for the dig for a further three years
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: from the two agree to go with him. We cut
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: to a helicopter and there's Hammond and Sadler and Grant
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: plus chaos mathematician ian Malcolm in there and the forehead
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: to this gorgeous tropical island where the helicopter lands, and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the and the four transfer over to a jeep to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: go to the HQ to meet with Warbox. And on
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the way they passed through a grassy field, where Hammond
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: brings the jeep to a stop and the other three
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: look in amazement as they see a giant young girl
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: marching through the trees, which she towers over. What the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: ever lovin? Says Grant. That's duffy Saurus, says Hammond. She's
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the biggest, the biggest one, says Sadler. Artificially enhanced dino Orphan.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Orphan Park. The three exchange glances. Uh what,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: says Malcolm. Spared no expense, says Hammond. Refusing to answer
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: more questions for the time being, he has everyone piled
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: back into the jeep and drives on through an enormous
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: pair of gates that had the park's logo on them.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: The silhouette of a curly haired girl once at HQ.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Hammond introduces the group to Daddy Warbucks. When I made
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: my first million dollars back then, a million dollars was
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of money. I promised myself that one day
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I would create a legacy, a legacy that would last
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: well beyond my lifetime. This, dear friends, is that legacy,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: says Warbucks. A park with orphans in it, says Sadler.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Not just any orphans, says Warbucks. Genetically engineered orphans. We
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: spliced orphan DNA with frogs. That makes them special. The
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: three visiting experts exchange glances and look really confused. There
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: are clearly thousands of questions, but no one says anything
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: right off the bat. I hear you've seen Duffy Sous,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: but we've got many more. There's Velosa Pepper, she's the
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: toughest orphan. We've got Molly SROs she's a little list orphan.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: And of course there's any Saurus. She's well, she's unique,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: says Warbucks. Suddenly a red light on a console starts
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: to flash and an alarm sounds. What's that? Says Dr Grant. Nothing,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: It's it's nothing, says Hammond. Warbucks has turned away to
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: speak urgently to some scientists, and he turns back and says, Hammond,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: you fool the fences. They failed. Hammond turns very pale.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Let's get you to your quarters, shall we, he says,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: trying to keep things under control. Before the three can protest,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: they're escorted rather forcefully to a jeep. We cut to
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the jungle somewhere on the island, and we see Robert Muldoon,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: a kind of orphan wrangler. He's got his rifle out
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: and he's stalking quietly through the jungle and through the
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: brush he sees one of the loose orphans. Uh, let's
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: say it's Testy, who of course is crying a little bit.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: And he quietly raises the rifle up to take a
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: shot to tranquilize the loose orphan. And then he hears
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: it maybe far away or maybe real near by. Clever girl,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: says Muldune, and he turns and sees any a Saurus
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: pounced from the brush, tearing him limb from limb. Musically,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: we cut back to our three experts. They're in the jeep,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: which is rushing by a length of fence that's been
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: torn down. The driver seems pretty tense as he tries
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: to navigate to the quarters on the far side of
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: the island, and in a in the way of the
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: jeep is a big felled tree, so he has to
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: actually slow down and boom, the ground shakes. Grant, Settler
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and Malcolm exchange glances. Boom, they look behind them, boom,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: and out from the jungle comes the enraged Duffy Saus.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Must go faster, must go faster, says Malcolm. The driver, panicking,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: bails from the jeep, only to get caught by Duffy
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Soros and chopped on, practically getting bitten in half. Satler.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: She jumps into the driver's seat. She kicks the jeep
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: into into high gear, drives away from the enraged orphan,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and the orphan tries to keep up. We cut back
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: to Orphan Park h Q, where John Hammond is seeing
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: his investment crumbled before his eyes, and then he hears it,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: It's the hard knock life for you. It's the hard
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: knock life for you. No one cares for you no
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: more when you become a dying no sore. And suddenly
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: a bunch of eighteen inch tall orphans swarm the HQ,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: of course, spitting acidic poison as orphans do. Little girls,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Little girls, screams Hammond, and he is piled under these
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: group of voracious orphans. Sadler's driving the geep back to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: where the helicopter is and and hurriedly they all three
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: get into the helicopter, Satler, Grant, and Malcolm, and a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: moment later they see Warbucks, who's rushing to get to
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the helicopter as well, so they open up the door
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: for him, and they're calling him for word. But then
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: they see from behind Warbucks something terrible, something fast and
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: vicious and redheaded. Tomorrow tomorrow. I'll digest you tomorrow, but
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna chow down today, sings any a source in
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: a terrifying display of precocious energy. Warbucks doesn't stand a chance.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: He is eviscerated. Malcolm, Grant, and Sadler take off in
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the helicopter, and despite the fact that none of them
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: have a pilot's license, they still managed to take off
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: and fly away from the island, which is left in
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: chaos and show tunes. And that's exactly what it is
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: like backstage during a production of Annie the End. You
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: are not incorrect, sir. That was hilarious. I was laughing
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: so hard, I was crying. Um, I tried not to
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: do it directly into my microphone. That was brilliant. Also,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I think a future mashup needs to be Annie with
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: muppets because then you have Settler in Warbucks. Yeah, and
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: stuff Statler and Waldorf. Yeah, that was That was a
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: fun one to do because once Peek behind the Curtain,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Ariel told me ahead of time that she was going
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: to do one where she was going to essentially insert
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a dinosaur into the story of Annie. So I thought, well,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: that means I've got to bring Annie into the story
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: of Jurassic Park. And that's what turned into Orphan Park. Oh,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: but it was so brilliant. It was so brilliant. I
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: want to watch that movie, maybe the TV version so
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I don't have to watch any of Vice rating how Warbucks.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But still, what about poor mull DoD, I mean he
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: gets it too. Yeah, I guess, I guess that was.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: That was a fun one. I can't I can't wait
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: to see what our next matchup is gonna be. We
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: always have fun like figuring out what to properties we
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: want to do, and usually we don't have any preconceived
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: ideas about what that might be so, in this case,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: it was definitely an act of exploration for the two
• 53:08
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• 53:12
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• 53:15
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• 53:17
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• 53:19
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• 54:20
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• 54:24
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