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Credlin | 21 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to Credlin on this Thursday, Steap Price
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Speaker 2: with you. Big programs coming up, including Shari Martinal join
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Speaker 2: us to talk about her world scoop with Israel's Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin nettn Yahoo. Also tonight on Credlin, has the
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Speaker 2: out of control lawlessness gripping the Victorian capital of Melbourne
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Speaker 2: finally pushed people over the edge. Veteran crime reporter Andrew
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Speaker 2: Rule says he has it has and he'll join us.
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Speaker 2: And I sat down with former Victorian Premier Jeff Kennett today,
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Speaker 2: who has used colorful language to describe a city he
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Speaker 2: once ran for nine years. And on the war in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East. Israel has called up sixty thousand reservists
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Speaker 2: around the total strength of the Australian Defense Force as
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Speaker 2: the IDF pushes to take Gaza City and destroy Hamas.
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Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth will join us on that plus with our
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Speaker 2: panel later. The fallout from Canberra's NDIS decision on clients,
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Speaker 2: with autism being moved out of the scheme. But first up,
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Speaker 2: let's head to Camberra now for tonight's political headlines with
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Speaker 2: Skoyte News political reporter Rubenspargo.
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Speaker 3: Parents are being reassured children with mild autism won't be
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Speaker 3: shifted off the NDIS until its replacement program is ready.
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Speaker 3: The Health Minister is defending the eligibility change, arguing it
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Speaker 3: helps ensure the scheme sustainability.
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Speaker 4: There's been a hard message for many parents to hear.
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Speaker 3: I know that because the NDIS has been the only
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Speaker 3: port in the storm for them. The Albanezi government is
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Speaker 3: proposing to lower the growth of the scheme from eight
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Speaker 3: percent to six percent per year. It will happen in
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Speaker 3: part due to eligibility changes. Children with mired autism will
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Speaker 3: be shifted to a new scheme called Thriving Kids.
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Speaker 5: There's no certainty for those families.
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Speaker 6: There's no understanding of what it means. These kids had
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Speaker 6: better not fall through the cracks.
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister, No child on the NDIS will be removed
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Speaker 3: until newsts are up and running. The final day of
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Speaker 3: the government's economic reform roundtable turned tense. Jim Charmers and
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Speaker 3: his coalition counterpart clashed over Labour's spending. Ted O'Brien called
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Speaker 3: on the Albaneze government to live within its means. The
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Speaker 3: ACTU Secretary disclosed the dispute which occurred in front of
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Speaker 3: roundtable participants.
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Speaker 4: There was a bit of a political exchange that went
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Speaker 4: on that felt a bit like in question time, and
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Speaker 4: that the rest of us sort of said, oh, just
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Speaker 4: just you know, Ted and Jim, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Sky News understands. New South Wales Treasurer Daniel Mookie intervened
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Speaker 3: urging the meeting to move on.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Reuben, and that roundtable didn't seem to
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Speaker 2: achieve too much, according to Jim Chalmer's statement at the
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Speaker 2: end of it. First up tonight, don I wanted to
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Speaker 2: get to this straight away, the world exclusive Sky News
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Speaker 2: interview with Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Nett and Yahoo that'll
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Speaker 2: go to her tonight on Shari Markson's program at eight
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Speaker 2: o'clock austraight An Eastern Standard time. Shari joins us an
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Speaker 2: extraordinary opportunity for you to speak directly with him. Now
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Speaker 2: we know he's doubled down on his criticism in your
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Speaker 2: interview of Prime Minister Albanezi. Here's what he told you.
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Speaker 6: Why do you believe history will remember him as a
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Speaker 6: weak politician?
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm sure he has a reputable record as
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Speaker 1: a public servant. But I think his record is forever
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Speaker 1: tarnished by the weakness that he showed in the face
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Speaker 1: of these commas terrorist monsters. You know, when the worst
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Speaker 1: terrorist organization on Earth, the savages who murdered women, raped them,
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Speaker 1: beheaded men, burnt babies alive in front of their parents,
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Speaker 1: and took hundreds of hostages. When these people congratulate the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Australia, you know something.
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Speaker 2: Is wrong again. Shari congratulations. But he's absolutely one hundred
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Speaker 2: percent correct, isn't he one correct?
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Speaker 6: I mean, you and I have been talking for nearly
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Speaker 6: two years now about the lack of moral clarity here
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Speaker 6: in Australia, And it was from the very moment of
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Speaker 6: October seven, when there were still Hamas terrorists in the
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Speaker 6: Kibbutz murdering Israeli's, when bodies weren't even cold yet, and
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Speaker 6: we had the Foreign Minister Pennywong on social media demanding
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Speaker 6: restraint of Israel. Ever since that point, we've had this
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Speaker 6: confusion that the Australian government doesn't know which side is
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Speaker 6: the right side of history. They didn't seem to understand
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Speaker 6: that Israel was under attack by terrorists. They've been endless
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Speaker 6: false accusations against Israel for its conduct. This amounts to
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Speaker 6: Hamas propaganda. I mean, it's been nearly two years of this.
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Speaker 6: The foreign policy of the Australian government is nothing what
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Speaker 6: it was like in the past. Australia has been a
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Speaker 6: long standing friend of Israel, bipartisan friend of Israel. We've
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Speaker 6: seen a total de departure from that under the Albanezy
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Speaker 6: government and Nettaya, who's been silent all this time. He's
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Speaker 6: been dealing with protecting Israel from a war on seven fronts,
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Speaker 6: including Iran. He's been joined by the United States in
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Speaker 6: that battle, and yet traditional allies like Australia, as he says,
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Speaker 6: have betrayed Israel, have walked away. Finally, tonight, this is
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Speaker 6: the first time he sits down for an interview solely
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Speaker 6: focused on Australia. He addresses what's going on on our shows,
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Speaker 6: the anti Semitism crisis, and he's very persuasive, he's very strong,
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Speaker 6: he's determined and he's defiant.
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Speaker 2: Steve extraordinary. You know you sat down with him last night.
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Speaker 2: The interview will play out tonight. You know he walks
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Speaker 2: away from talking to you, and again, congratulations on getting
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Speaker 2: the interview. And then he's back in the war room,
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Speaker 2: you know, getting the troops together to make that final
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Speaker 2: push into Gaza. I want to ask you, you make a
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Speaker 2: very good point there. I mean, he's fighting a bloody
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Speaker 2: war off the back of October seven, worse to teck
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Speaker 2: on the Jewish people since the Holocaust. But clearly people
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Speaker 2: like Francis mccron and our own Prime minister, he really
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Speaker 2: wants to make the point that they don't get.
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Speaker 6: It, and they don't get it. You know, there's this
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Speaker 6: utter confusion, and we've spoken about it before. It comes
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Speaker 6: down to the fact probably that the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 6: a history as a pro Palestinian activist early in his
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Speaker 6: parliamentary career. But when he was a Federal MP, he
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Speaker 6: was out one of the pro Palestinian rallies in Sydney,
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Speaker 6: yelling into a megaphone. We unearthed and played that footage.
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Speaker 6: So this is the person who's now the Prime Minister
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Speaker 6: of our country at a time when Israel came under
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Speaker 6: significant attack, as you say, the worst loss of life
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Speaker 6: in a single day since the Holocaust of Jewish life.
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Speaker 6: He doesn't get it. And Nadiya who points that out.
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Speaker 6: I mean Australia is not important to Israel in a sense,
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Speaker 6: but he can see, he calls it as sooner n
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Speaker 6: army of antisemitism. He can see, he knows what we've
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Speaker 6: been dealing with here. He can see how the foreign
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Speaker 6: policy platform of Australia has changed. He's highly critical and
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Speaker 6: Steve he draws this comparison throughout the interview to European
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Speaker 6: leaders in the nineteen thirties and how they were appeasing
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Speaker 6: the Nazi movement. He talks about the Munich Agreement of
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Speaker 6: nineteen thirty eight and how you know Europe was happy
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Speaker 6: to seed Czechoslovakian land in order to try and appease Hitler,
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Speaker 6: but in fact it just ended up leading to World
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Speaker 6: War Two. So he draws this comparison to how now
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Speaker 6: you've got these left leaning Western leaders who are again
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Speaker 6: seem to be appeasing the extremist movement, not taking action
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Speaker 6: when there is clearly terrorist sympathies and supporters on our streets.
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Speaker 6: We've spoken often about the lack of police action, the
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Speaker 6: lack of law enforcement. The laws are there, they're not
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Speaker 6: being enforced, No, not at all.
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Speaker 2: They've been pathetic. You had another exclusive this week. You
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Speaker 2: obtained that letter that Netnyah who sent to the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister about his actions around the recognition of Palestine and
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Speaker 2: Albanese's reaction. That disappointed you, clearly, it's clearly disappointed net
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Speaker 2: Yahoo and you ask him in the view in the
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Speaker 2: indiview what needs to be done to repair relations between
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Speaker 2: Australia a great friend of Israel's and he was his.
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Speaker 6: Reply, what will it take to restore the friendship between
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Speaker 6: Israel and Australia.
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Speaker 1: There's been a great underlying friendship therefore over a century.
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Speaker 1: I think it's been gone Australia because I think leaders
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Speaker 1: did not show the strength and conviction that they should
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Speaker 1: have when we're fighting, actually we're fighting the war of
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Speaker 1: Western civilization against these barbarians.
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Speaker 2: Shari as a very proud Australian Jewish woman. Those relationships,
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Speaker 2: do you think you're going to be able to be repaired?
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Speaker 6: One hundred percent? I strongly believe they will be repaired.
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Speaker 6: I think this is just a reflection of the fact
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Speaker 6: that we do have this far left wing socialist federal
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Speaker 6: government at the moment. You know, the foreign policy position
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Speaker 6: that Israel is upset about, is disappointed in, is a
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Speaker 6: reflection of alban easy Penny Wong and Tony Burke. If
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Speaker 6: there is another government that once again stands side by
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Speaker 6: side with Israel, that doesn't abandon Israel in its darkest hour,
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Speaker 6: when it's under existential attack, then I strongly believe the
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Speaker 6: relationship will be as strong as it ever was. And
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Speaker 6: I mean I had Mikaylia Kash, the shadow the Coalition
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Speaker 6: Foreign Minister, on my program last night. She couldn't have
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Speaker 6: been stronger. And I have no doubt that under a
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Speaker 6: coalition government, if there is someone like Mikaylia Cash or
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Speaker 6: James Patterson or Dave Shama as the Foreign Minister, the
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Speaker 6: relationship will be strong again. Ndia who spoke about the
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Speaker 6: Battle of Bear Scheba over one hundred years ago and
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Speaker 6: the relationship, the ties between Israel and Australia were forged
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Speaker 6: on the battlefield. I mean you would never Australia would
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Speaker 6: never sent troops now to fight alongside Israel, but this
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Speaker 6: is where the ties were forged. We also have a
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Speaker 6: very close intelligence sharing relationship. I think a lot of
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Speaker 6: people know about the fact that there was a terrorist
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Speaker 6: attack on a plane in Sydney that was only thwarted
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Speaker 6: because of intelligence from Mossat So the ties remain. There's
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Speaker 6: a lot of goodwill. It's just not going to get
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Speaker 6: back on track under Anthony Albanezi, particularly when he and
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Speaker 6: his ministers continue to say the most hostile comments, false accusations,
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Speaker 6: accusing Israel, as we heard from Tony Burke this week,
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Speaker 6: of trying to bomb its way to strength. The implication
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Speaker 6: that it's deliberately starving Palestinian children couldn't be further from
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Speaker 6: the truth. The idea that it's targeting civilians utterly false. Nattigna,
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Speaker 6: who addresses these accusations in the interview tonight, I can't.
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Speaker 2: Wait to watch the full interview again. Congratulations on that
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Speaker 2: world exclusive, fantastic and I'll be watching tonight with the
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Speaker 2: rest of Australia at eight o'clock Shari Marks and their
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Speaker 2: extraordinary stuff. Also, we need to turn our attention to
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Speaker 2: Gaza some international issues there. Israel has begun, as we said,
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Speaker 2: the first stage of an invasion of Gaza City with
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Speaker 2: the Israeli Defense for as they've called up an extraordinary
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Speaker 2: number of reservists, said to be sixty thousand. I saw
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Speaker 2: Peter Stefanovic this morning make the point that's the number
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Speaker 2: of the entire Australian Defense Force joining me now to
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Speaker 2: discuss this and more, including some unrest in the UK.
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Speaker 2: News Corps correspondence guy and News contributor Sophie Ellsworth Sophie
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Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Netnya, who says the expanded military action
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Speaker 2: is the best way quote to end the war. Do
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Speaker 2: we know so yet? It's I think it's coming up
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Speaker 2: sunrise over there that way. Now do we know yet
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Speaker 2: exactly what's happened on the ground in Gaza, Well.
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Speaker 7: The reports are as you said, Steve, that they're sending
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Speaker 7: in these army personnel into Gaza City and it's very
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Speaker 7: obvious that Prime Minister Netanyahoo is extremely serious about this
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Speaker 7: and taking control of Gaza City, and they are far
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Speaker 7: from backing down. Obviously he has drawn criticism for taking
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Speaker 7: such action, but Steve, this is an extraordinary amount of
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Speaker 7: personnel that will be on the ground in Gaza City
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Speaker 7: and the coming days will be very fascinating to see
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Speaker 7: how this unfolds, because there's no doubt that Israel is
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Speaker 7: under intense scrutiny for this latest action that they are
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Speaker 7: taking in Gaza City. And as we saw Steve, on
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Speaker 7: the weekend, there were protests all around Israel, many people
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Speaker 7: protesting demanding that the hostages be released from Gaza. But
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Speaker 7: also there are criticisms of the Net and Yahoo government.
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Speaker 7: So incredibly divisive this latest decision. But let's see what
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Speaker 7: unfolds in the coming day's steam.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be very dangerous for those troops
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Speaker 2: that are going in there. I mean, you got into
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Speaker 2: Israel and you know the geography there. I mean it's
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Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip is a very small piece of land
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Speaker 2: relative to what we're used to in Australia. So it's
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Speaker 2: going to be hand to hand combat. It's going to
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Speaker 2: be very dangerous. Hamas is still there, still active, still armed.
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Speaker 2: We're just going to have to wait and see how
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Speaker 2: effective this latest push is going to be, won't we absolutely?
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Speaker 7: Steve and as I have pointed out before, journalists are
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Speaker 7: not allowed in there. We cannot go into Gaza. Of course,
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Speaker 7: it's obviously dangerous, but it's problematic too from a reporting
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Speaker 7: point of view for us to see exactly what is
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Speaker 7: going on there, not being fed lines from whoever is
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Speaker 7: giving us information from what is happening in there.
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Speaker 6: Journalists need to.
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Speaker 7: Be seeing these things with their own two eyes to
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Speaker 7: do the reporting that's necessary and that for me has
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Speaker 7: been a big issue right from the beginning of this,
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Speaker 7: that we cannot get in there, and the government Israeli
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Speaker 7: government has said that this will change. So I know
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Speaker 7: that there's many reporters very keen to get in there,
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Speaker 7: but also you have to be incredibly careful, Steve.
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Speaker 2: So back on your home turf, the UK. The BBC's
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Speaker 2: former head of news bloke by the name of James Harding.
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Speaker 2: He's criticized the BBC, his own broadcasting organization, for failing
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Speaker 2: to describe humas as terrorists in its coverage of the
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Speaker 2: October seven attacks. Harding has argued journalists shouldn't sense of words,
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Speaker 2: but use them accurately. The BBC has faced huge backlash
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Speaker 2: over this failure. He's absolutely right, isn't he.
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Speaker 7: Well, he's come out very strongly on this, Steve, and
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Speaker 7: they often do once they leave these organizations. They cannot
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Speaker 7: speak freely like this when they're in there. And he
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Speaker 7: was the boss of News of the BBC up until
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Speaker 7: twenty eighteen. He's a Jewish man himself, but he has
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Speaker 7: been very scathing of the BBC about this, and there's
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Speaker 7: no doubt the BBC many times, especially during my time
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Speaker 7: here in the UK, they have come under intense scrutiny,
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Speaker 7: accused of bias towards Palestine and criticized for their coverage
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Speaker 7: of the israel guars of war. And this has very
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Speaker 7: much been a sticking point Steve, that they have not
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Speaker 7: described harmas as terrorists. They have said that this has
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Speaker 7: been a real issue in the BBC, but they have
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Speaker 7: not been doing this and he has called this out
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Speaker 7: and says it should change.
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Speaker 2: Just for you go this High Court ruling this week
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Speaker 2: to block the housing asylum seekers in that hotel in Epping.
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Speaker 2: There's apparently thirty two thousand migrants currently housed in hotels
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Speaker 2: in the UK. So does that call really mean they're
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Speaker 2: all going to be tipped out on the street, Steve.
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Speaker 7: This is a massive issue here in the UK. This
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Speaker 7: is arguably the biggest issue here right now is the
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Speaker 7: migration problem and these asylum seeker hotels. Now a lot
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Speaker 7: of these contracts at these hotels are for years, some
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Speaker 7: of them are up to twenty twenty eight. But this
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Speaker 7: High Court ruling has deemed that they were allowed to
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Speaker 7: put these asylum seekers in there, but not legitimately because
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Speaker 7: they didn't change the reasoning for the hotel use. So
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Speaker 7: now the government has got to deal with the fact
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Speaker 7: they've got these asylum seekers, thousands of them that they
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Speaker 7: may have to relocate, and there's been protests all over
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Speaker 7: the UK about this. This issue is not going away
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Speaker 7: for Secure Starmer. And he's obviously been very vocal on
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Speaker 7: issues such which is Ukraine, Steve, but he hasn't been
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Speaker 7: as vocal on issues such as migration and that's been
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Speaker 7: a problem for the British public here who want him
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Speaker 7: to deal with issues here on the ground in the UK.
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Speaker 7: And this remains to be a problem, Steve, because over
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Speaker 7: fifty thousand illegal migrants have come into the UK in
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Speaker 7: the last year alone.
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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Sophie, Thank you very much. We'll catch up
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Speaker 2: with you next week. Now, coming up, we speak to
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Speaker 2: a leading crime writer in Victoria about the crisis unfolding,
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Speaker 2: the teen crime crisis. It's violent, and we'll also talk
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Speaker 2: to the former Victorian Premier, Jeff Kennett. He says the
17:37
Speaker 2: spiraling crime and the economy in freefall. The state of
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Speaker 2: Victoria that he used to run is stuffed. That's up next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: I get a very real sense that finally Victorians, and
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Speaker 2: especially those living in Melbourne, have had enough of what's
17:56
Speaker 2: been a relentless teen crime crisis ever since I reckon
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Speaker 2: the end of COVID restrictions. Look, we did have a
18:03
Speaker 2: gang problem before twenty twenty twenty one, but it's now
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Speaker 2: reached an intolerable peak. Just yesterday, in broad daylight, an
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Speaker 2: attempted carjacking in the middle of Swan Street, Richmond, only
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Speaker 2: thwarted by a bunch of Good Samaritans. And that's in
18:18
Speaker 2: broad daylight. Then this morning, a mother and her three
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Speaker 2: children had loaded up their Kia. They were on their
18:24
Speaker 2: way to the airport. Luggage was in the car passports.
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Speaker 2: She put the key in the ignition. Some bloke walked
18:29
Speaker 2: up behind her. They were on their way to Bali
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Speaker 2: and drove away in the stolen car with all their
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Speaker 2: belongings inside. We have at least one violent home evasion
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Speaker 2: this week. It's probably been one a night now. The
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Speaker 2: front page of the Herald Sun today the headline Fear
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Speaker 2: in their Hearts says it all to me. Penn by
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Speaker 2: veteran crime reporter and an old made of mind. Andrew
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Speaker 2: Rooley joins me in the studio. Welcome to you. Look Andrew.
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Speaker 2: You covered the Gangland Wars extensively. You wrote the books
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Speaker 2: under Belly with John Sylvester. That was crooks killing crooks. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: this is different.
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Speaker 8: This is different because this is different also just from
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Speaker 8: burglars burgling houses, which is bad enough, but this is
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Speaker 8: armed people going into people's homes often at night but
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Speaker 8: doesn't matter when, and taking their cars from them with
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Speaker 8: robbery under arms. Essentially, it's a murder waiting to happen.
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Speaker 8: When somebody comes into your house with a machete or
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Speaker 8: some other weapon, it is potentially a murder a homicide scene.
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Speaker 8: Either they kill the householder for whatever, if the householder
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Speaker 8: puts up a fight, or they're just mad and mad enough,
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Speaker 8: or at some point a household is going to kill
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Speaker 8: one of the invaders.
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Speaker 2: It's not good. Teenagers in a house earlier in the
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Speaker 2: week that were on bail already broke into the house allegedly, yes,
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Speaker 2: throw that word in. Allegedly Bloakes stabbed in the head
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Speaker 2: eleven times. Allegedly. Yes. This is violent crime that we
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Speaker 2: as Australians would never have expected to have to put up.
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Speaker 8: When you and I worked as young police reporters last century.
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Speaker 2: This was the sort of stuff.
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Speaker 8: That we didn't really We heard about a lot of
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Speaker 8: bad things, but it wasn't ordinary people's houses being broken
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Speaker 8: into by armed people. It was sometimes armed crooks would
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Speaker 8: do run throughs on other crooks, you know, to pick
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Speaker 8: up drugs or cash. But it wasn't mister and missus
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Speaker 8: Smith and Q getting their house broken into merely because
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Speaker 8: they've got a good car in the driveway.
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Speaker 2: How much do you blame social media for what's happening.
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Speaker 8: I think it's part of it. I think the technology.
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Speaker 8: I think it spreads like a virus where these kids
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Speaker 8: are just hooked on the screen. They live by the screen,
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Speaker 8: They live by sort of communicating with each other instantly,
20:44
Speaker 8: and they want instant gratification, and they want to do
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Speaker 8: They want to boast, So they want to pinch a car,
20:51
Speaker 8: film themselves pinching it, then film themselves doing one hundred
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Speaker 8: and forty k's down the highway, film it and then
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Speaker 8: flick it over to all their mates doing pre them crazy.
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Speaker 2: On radio this morning, talking about a woman you met
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Speaker 2: whose teenage son, yes is involved in the car stealing rackets,
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Speaker 2: is on drugs. What did she tell you?
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Speaker 8: Lisa Ross is a name. Now this is not some
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Speaker 8: member of the underclass. This is a middle class young
21:18
Speaker 8: middle aged woe, not even middle aged. She's got quite
21:22
Speaker 8: a big family. I think maybe four children. This boy is, say,
21:26
Speaker 8: turning fifteen. He's the youngest. They're a respectable, hard working family.
21:31
Speaker 8: You know. They've got five bedrooms and two cars and
21:34
Speaker 8: all the good stuff. They have overseas holiday every year,
21:37
Speaker 8: just like you do. But the youngest boy has got
21:40
Speaker 8: him with a bad crew at school and he has
21:44
Speaker 8: become a regular car thief, and they swapped cars for drugs.
21:48
Speaker 8: And she can't she can't stop it. She's got a
21:51
Speaker 8: lot of horsebarer, a lot of vim and vigor. She's
21:53
Speaker 8: a remarkable woman, a very articulate one. But she said
21:58
Speaker 8: to me, she said this publicly, I am relieved when
22:01
Speaker 8: the police get him and he's put in parkful in
22:04
Speaker 8: the the boy's hunt for a month or two months,
22:08
Speaker 8: because then I know he's safe. If he's asleep there,
22:10
Speaker 8: he's not out stealing cars. And he eats three meals
22:13
Speaker 8: a day, and he puts on such he puts on
22:16
Speaker 8: eight kilograms in a month in that place, because he's
22:19
Speaker 8: not living on drugs.
22:21
Speaker 2: That's a really sad story. The Herald Son for our
22:24
Speaker 2: viewers across the country. Front page today was very powerful
22:29
Speaker 2: and that will have an impact. But the problem that
22:32
Speaker 2: I have is this government doesn't seem to listen. Now,
22:35
Speaker 2: I know you don't particularly want to get into the
22:37
Speaker 2: weeds of the politics, no, but they don't listen even
22:39
Speaker 2: when they're criticized. You know, they're criticized about the bay
22:42
Speaker 2: of laws, they're criticized about machetes. They pass laws. But
22:45
Speaker 2: they pass a law saying it's going to be your
22:46
Speaker 2: legal to carry a machete. It doesn't come into effect
22:49
Speaker 2: of September one. What's the point of that?
22:51
Speaker 8: Not much point? And look that I made the point
22:53
Speaker 8: in the story that it's not a party political story,
22:57
Speaker 8: it's a story about behavior. I made the point that
23:02
Speaker 8: the people that are coming through the doors of machetes,
23:04
Speaker 8: they don't care who you vote for. You know, everybody's
23:07
Speaker 8: frightened when somebody comes through their door with a machete
23:10
Speaker 8: or grabs their car with a machete. It doesn't matter.
23:14
Speaker 8: It's not about voting intention or sticking up for the
23:16
Speaker 8: liberals against labor or vice versa. It's not about that.
23:20
Speaker 8: And I don't want to be seen as some sort
23:21
Speaker 8: of political shill because I'm not. I've said my piece
23:25
Speaker 8: and it stands or fails on its merits, but it.
23:29
Speaker 2: Will get huge impact. It'll get a lot of feedback
23:31
Speaker 2: from the readers of the paper. It'll be hundreds and hundreds.
23:36
Speaker 2: I write about crime and column all the time and
23:38
Speaker 2: get hundreds of response. But the government doesn't appear to
23:42
Speaker 2: be willing to go to the heart of the problem.
23:46
Speaker 2: And there's several parts to it, bail, access to weapons,
23:50
Speaker 2: social media. I don't really seem to want to do
23:52
Speaker 2: anything about it.
23:53
Speaker 8: It's an enormous spread of people are interested and concerned
23:58
Speaker 8: today among dozens of other messages. I've been contacted by
24:02
Speaker 8: a magistrate who shall remain nameless, and he says there
24:07
Speaker 8: is a group of magistrates mixed up in the children's
24:09
Speaker 8: court who have a blanket view, and he said other
24:12
Speaker 8: magistrates don't agree with them, but he said there's certainly
24:16
Speaker 8: a sort of a block vote for bail. I was
24:18
Speaker 8: also contacted by a leading colorful gangland identity who shall
24:23
Speaker 8: remain nameless. You can guess who he might be. He's
24:26
Speaker 8: a very tough bloke. He's been in jail and he
24:29
Speaker 8: had a bit to say about certain people being deported
24:33
Speaker 8: if they were found guilty of doing these violent home invasions.
24:37
Speaker 8: This is the spread of opinion from a magistrate to
24:41
Speaker 8: essentially a mafia figure.
24:42
Speaker 2: They agree. I interviewed the former premier Jeff Kennett. Yes,
24:47
Speaker 2: we'll play that out shortly. He's come out overnight and
24:51
Speaker 2: said the city did he once run ran for nine
24:54
Speaker 2: months nine years? Premier is ft. Yes, yeah, that's extraordinary Premier,
25:00
Speaker 2: it is.
25:00
Speaker 8: And look, you can't blame him. It's I'm starting to
25:04
Speaker 8: feel the same thing. I'm feeling that.
25:07
Speaker 9: You know.
25:07
Speaker 8: I keep thinking every time I'm out of Melbourne, it's
25:10
Speaker 8: a good thing. Now. I never would have thought that.
25:14
Speaker 2: You also said, as I have, you've covered your house
25:16
Speaker 2: in alarms and cameras.
25:18
Speaker 8: I have. But the first time in my life that
25:19
Speaker 8: they don't care. They don't care.
25:21
Speaker 2: Man, they'll see a camera or an alarm on.
25:23
Speaker 8: They don't.
25:23
Speaker 2: Let's just kick your door in.
25:25
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, it's frightening. They don't fear consequences. And I
25:29
Speaker 8: have to say, when you know, when we were young
25:31
Speaker 8: or whatever, which makes it sound like a foggy but
25:33
Speaker 8: we did respect the police and the law, albeit you know,
25:38
Speaker 8: because well we did were brought up to respect it
25:40
Speaker 8: and when they said jump, we said, how high?
25:43
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Thank you Andrew Rule, Thank you very much for
25:46
Speaker 2: joining us.
25:47
Speaker 8: Thank you, Steve Price.
25:50
Speaker 2: We'll continue to look at these issues. As I said,
25:53
Speaker 2: I think many Victorians, including me, have finally decided enough
25:56
Speaker 2: is enough. As Andrew told us there, he's never seen
26:00
Speaker 2: Melbourne's dangerous as it is right now. So angry has
26:03
Speaker 2: the former premier, Jeff Kennett become. He penned a scathing
26:07
Speaker 2: Herald Son column this week and last night went further
26:11
Speaker 2: on air, describing the city he loves as being ft.
26:15
Speaker 2: He agreed to sit down with Sky News. I interviewed
26:17
Speaker 2: him earlier today in his office and started with asking
26:20
Speaker 2: the man who was premier for nine years if it
26:23
Speaker 2: was a bit over the top using the F word, yes, probably.
26:30
Speaker 2: Do you feel that strongly that you.
26:33
Speaker 10: Tell you how frustrated disappointed I am where we find
26:40
Speaker 10: Victoria today. I mean, we have so many things going
26:44
Speaker 10: for us as a state and as a country, and
26:47
Speaker 10: yet we are financially going down to the gurgle very quickly,
26:51
Speaker 10: which is effect which is affecting all of our services.
26:55
Speaker 10: But worse, we've now got this lack of focus on
27:01
Speaker 10: actually addressing this lawlessness, which has almost become a competition
27:06
Speaker 10: between some of our young today at great personal risk
27:10
Speaker 10: and price to people. So am I frustrated?
27:14
Speaker 2: Yes?
27:15
Speaker 10: Should I have used the word? Probably not, But no
27:20
Speaker 10: I shouldn't have used the word.
27:21
Speaker 2: You and I are both old enough to remember a
27:23
Speaker 2: campaigning Herald Son and you were in opposition and Joan
27:27
Speaker 2: Kerner was the premier. I think they ran a black
27:29
Speaker 2: front page basically spelt the end of labor. This, I
27:34
Speaker 2: think is Labour's ground zero on crime. You are most
27:40
Speaker 2: concerned about that. You talk in that interview about being
27:43
Speaker 2: afraid of your own safety, very safety of your grandchildren.
27:48
Speaker 2: I feel exactly the same way. How the hell has
27:51
Speaker 2: the beautiful city of Melbourne, what's the most livabole in
27:54
Speaker 2: the world, got to this.
27:55
Speaker 10: Point, I think, without being overly political, it's because those
28:01
Speaker 10: we have given the opportunity and responsibility to look after
28:05
Speaker 10: our affairs, particularly our safety, have simply not done so,
28:09
Speaker 10: and so we now have a situation where indicate the
28:13
Speaker 10: mindigo in many ways, it's become a competition between these
28:17
Speaker 10: young people out there, part of which I blame on
28:19
Speaker 10: COVID disruption to education, you've.
28:22
Speaker 2: Seen the scores at schools.
28:25
Speaker 10: Men down lower than ever before. Men, young boys frustrated,
28:31
Speaker 10: no good employment out there, trying to prove themselves, and
28:37
Speaker 10: it's getting worse, and sadly, the government doesn't seem to care. Now,
28:44
Speaker 10: just think about it for a moment. Three or four ingredients.
28:47
Speaker 10: You need a good government focused on your and my
28:49
Speaker 10: safety and our children. You need a police force that
28:52
Speaker 10: has the manpower and the powers. You need legislation to
28:57
Speaker 10: make sure that the judiciary unders and what the options
29:01
Speaker 10: are and their freedom of choice and interpretation is limited.
29:07
Speaker 10: Right now, we have a situation where our police force
29:11
Speaker 10: is technically two thousand under manpower strength, a thousand less
29:17
Speaker 10: people and the other thousand on sick leave, et cetera,
29:19
Speaker 10: c with another seven hundred potentially to go before Christmas.
29:24
Speaker 8: The laws do not allow.
29:27
Speaker 10: Current laws do not allow. There to be a strict
29:31
Speaker 10: guidance for those magistrates and others, and there should be.
29:36
Speaker 2: Has a judiciary being politicized.
29:39
Speaker 10: Oh it may be, it may not. The point is
29:45
Speaker 10: the government should make sure they understand what the rules are.
29:48
Speaker 10: So I've come to the point now where I believe
29:51
Speaker 10: the only way through this is not to fix these
29:53
Speaker 10: issues of policing, government and the judiciary. We've got to
29:58
Speaker 10: go for zero tolerance. We've got to change the culture.
30:02
Speaker 10: But it's not going to happen overnight. You can do
30:04
Speaker 10: it over two or three years. But if anyone commits
30:07
Speaker 10: the crime, there's got to be a consequence. And importantly,
30:11
Speaker 10: the magistrates do not have a choice as to whether
30:14
Speaker 10: they give bail or not. The only choice I think
30:17
Speaker 10: they should have is whether their interpretation of the crime
30:21
Speaker 10: committed by the individual, partly depend on their age and
30:25
Speaker 10: the nature of the crime sends them to a prison farm,
30:30
Speaker 10: or to a youth center, or to prison itself. They
30:34
Speaker 10: don't have the opportunity of saying, you can go back
30:37
Speaker 10: on the street. And then you've got to give the
30:40
Speaker 10: police the powers, and you've got to direct the magistrates
30:43
Speaker 10: and the judiciary that we're going to clean this up,
30:45
Speaker 10: but it will take two.
30:47
Speaker 2: Or three years. The police seem directionless, they seem them
30:52
Speaker 2: morals is shot because they arrest a fifteen sixteen year
30:57
Speaker 2: old who's broken into someone's house armed with the machete.
31:02
Speaker 2: They take them to court and they get a bail,
31:04
Speaker 2: not once, not twice, but multiple times. We can't live
31:08
Speaker 2: like that. Because these kids will say, I don't care
31:11
Speaker 2: if I get arrested by the coppers. Nothing's going to
31:13
Speaker 2: happen to me.
31:15
Speaker 10: That's exactly right. And I feel very sorry for our police.
31:19
Speaker 10: I mean, as I say, they're undermanned. There's no backup
31:23
Speaker 10: to them in terms of the law, and the government
31:26
Speaker 10: doesn't care.
31:27
Speaker 2: We'll got a case. This morning, woman goes out to
31:29
Speaker 2: the garage, her cars packed with her suitcases and passports.
31:33
Speaker 2: She goes back inside to get her children. They were
31:35
Speaker 2: going to the airport to go to Bali. She comes out,
31:38
Speaker 2: someone's got in the current driven off.
31:41
Speaker 10: Well, where is our government? Why isn't our government protecting us?
31:48
Speaker 10: Why isn't our government changing the laws as a matter
31:51
Speaker 10: of urgency. So some of these changes they're introducing, whether
31:54
Speaker 10: it's looking after our children's interests in childcare centers, doesn't come.
31:58
Speaker 2: Into effect all next year. You're not allowed to carry them,
32:01
Speaker 2: but not you can until September.
32:03
Speaker 10: One, and then if you've committed a crime and you
32:07
Speaker 10: go up to one of those malashety bins having committed
32:10
Speaker 10: you can throw it and say I was only here
32:12
Speaker 10: to get.
32:12
Speaker 1: Rid of them.
32:13
Speaker 2: And they've spent three hundred thousand dollars on forty bins whatever.
32:17
Speaker 2: I mean, this is madness, but I blame you using
32:20
Speaker 2: the F word. It's madness.
32:22
Speaker 10: It's worse than madness because it's affecting people's lives. It's
32:26
Speaker 10: taking lives, but it's actually affecting people's lives potentially for
32:30
Speaker 10: the rest of their life. In other words, you live
32:33
Speaker 10: in fear. This is not Victoria. You should not be
32:36
Speaker 10: a thrown You.
32:37
Speaker 2: And I lucky we're in the seventies, might keep it.
32:40
Speaker 2: We've seen the best of it. But so many people
32:44
Speaker 2: of our age, when you talk to them, say I'm
32:46
Speaker 2: going to get out of Victoria. I'm not staying here.
32:48
Speaker 2: I mean, when you add up you know, the new
32:50
Speaker 2: emergency services levy, land tax, all of that. I mean,
32:54
Speaker 2: when you've got elected premier way back you realize that
32:59
Speaker 2: there was a huge debt and you actually put a
33:01
Speaker 2: small charge on money going in and out of your
33:04
Speaker 2: bank account, and you said, I'll leave it on there
33:06
Speaker 2: until we pay off our debt.
33:08
Speaker 10: Until we can get back into surplus, not till we
33:10
Speaker 10: paid off our debt. And that wouldn't work today because
33:13
Speaker 10: the debt is heading towards two hundred billion dollars.
33:16
Speaker 2: So but you were prepared to take unpopular decisions.
33:20
Speaker 10: With few respect. This government doesn't seem to care. They're
33:23
Speaker 10: borrowing money without any sense of obligation to those who
33:27
Speaker 10: are going to follow you. And I'll go through our lives,
33:29
Speaker 10: our children, our grandchildren won't I'll have to bear that.
33:32
Speaker 10: But right now our security is at risk. We're not
33:35
Speaker 10: living in a third world country. We're living in Australia
33:39
Speaker 10: and the government doesn't care. So yes, I was frustrated,
33:42
Speaker 10: and I publicly apologize for using the word but that's
33:45
Speaker 10: how I feel. I am so pissed off.
33:48
Speaker 2: Well, you're right to be. We have a poll out
33:52
Speaker 2: today that says just Cinder Allen when they have an
33:56
Speaker 2: election next November, if it was held this weekend, she'd
33:59
Speaker 2: get re elected. How is that humanly possible?
34:02
Speaker 10: It doesn't worry me at all. I think if people
34:04
Speaker 10: were going into the polling booze to cast their vote
34:07
Speaker 10: to get.
34:07
Speaker 2: A very different result.
34:09
Speaker 10: And so they're all encourage or many are at the
34:12
Speaker 10: moment about this concept of working from home for two
34:15
Speaker 10: days a week. How are you going to build houses
34:18
Speaker 10: if your trade is can only work three days a week.
34:21
Speaker 10: Who's going to teach our children? Or are we going
34:23
Speaker 10: back to a situation where our teachers will teach from
34:26
Speaker 10: home and our children will be at home. That was
34:29
Speaker 10: the cause the lockdown and so much of this violence.
34:32
Speaker 2: Today.
34:32
Speaker 10: Jacinta has thought of something that seems popular but as
34:38
Speaker 10: an absolute disaster.
34:40
Speaker 2: She can't even do it well.
34:41
Speaker 10: She can't even well. But she may or may not.
34:46
Speaker 10: But she's not introducing legislation until next year, and so
34:50
Speaker 10: she can have the argument all the way up to
34:52
Speaker 10: the election. They haven't thought it through, but they don't care.
34:56
Speaker 10: It's all about them. It's not about you, it's not
34:58
Speaker 10: about me, it's not about our.
34:59
Speaker 2: Grandchild sad Jeff Kennett, thanks a lot, pleasure. Yeah, spot on.
35:07
Speaker 2: Jeff Kennett was coming up next. I talk to Victoria
35:09
Speaker 2: shadow Education Minister on the state's childcare review. Have we
35:13
Speaker 2: done enough to actually protect our children now? I also
35:17
Speaker 2: talk to the panel about that AFL decision on the
35:22
Speaker 2: Adelaide Crose player. Isaac Rankin, welcome back, Stip price me.
35:30
Speaker 2: You get to our panel in a moment. I'll talk
35:31
Speaker 2: about that crazy AFL decision. You can still have Snoop
35:34
Speaker 2: Dogg appearing at the Grand final, but your Ruther player
35:36
Speaker 2: out for a homophobic slur. Have a look at some
35:40
Speaker 2: of Snoop Dogg's lyrics. Now, I do want to talk
35:43
Speaker 2: about that review which yesterday was released. It found that
35:46
Speaker 2: Victoria's childcare system had been putting profits and privacy ahead
35:50
Speaker 2: of children's safety, leaving predators unchecked. It's a dreadful, dreadful situation.
35:56
Speaker 2: The Allen government has pledged to accept twenty two reforms,
36:00
Speaker 2: including a new regulator and tougher working with children checks.
36:04
Speaker 2: I just wonder if that's actually going to be enough,
36:06
Speaker 2: joining us to discuss as the Shadow Education Minister Jess Wilson,
36:11
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time. Why did it
36:13
Speaker 2: take such horrendous alleged incidents for labor to actually take
36:18
Speaker 2: action on this issue. I'm sure that people were telling
36:22
Speaker 2: them that the system was broken.
36:26
Speaker 5: Well, good to be with you, Steve and your spot on.
36:29
Speaker 5: The government was warned three years ago by the Ombudsman
36:32
Speaker 5: that Victoria's Working with Children check system was broken, and
36:36
Speaker 5: they failed to listen to the Ombodsman's recommendations to implement
36:40
Speaker 5: those reforms. They didn't even have the decency to respond
36:44
Speaker 5: to the Obodsman's recommendations, and three years later we are
36:48
Speaker 5: now seeing the consequences with children's safety being put at
36:51
Speaker 5: risk in childcare centers right around the state. The Premier
36:55
Speaker 5: has failed to take the action needed, the urgent action
36:58
Speaker 5: needed since these horrific elgeations. The review that was released
37:02
Speaker 5: yesterday doesn't provide any great new ideas. It actually just
37:06
Speaker 5: highlights the fact that we knew what needed to be done.
37:09
Speaker 5: We've been speaking for weeks about the need for these reforms.
37:12
Speaker 5: We didn't need to wait for a review. The Premier
37:14
Speaker 5: should have acted well before.
37:16
Speaker 2: Now, what's the key reformess that is attached to the
37:22
Speaker 2: working with children permits? What are they going to do
37:25
Speaker 2: that they should have already done ages ago.
37:29
Speaker 5: Well, what the Ombudsman recommended three years ago was that
37:32
Speaker 5: the decision maker, when it comes to rejecting or evoking
37:36
Speaker 5: a Working with Children check, should be able to take
37:38
Speaker 5: in any risk information, any information that they think puts
37:42
Speaker 5: a child at risk, and be able to consider that
37:45
Speaker 5: as part of the Working with Children check clearance system.
37:49
Speaker 5: At the moment, it only is allowed to take into
37:51
Speaker 5: consideration a police charge or a police conviction, and so
37:54
Speaker 5: it broadens that out. It also would allow the immediate
37:58
Speaker 5: revocation of a Work with Children check and at the moment, Steve,
38:02
Speaker 5: We've got a situation in Victoria where an individual who
38:05
Speaker 5: was dismissed from a childcare center for sexual misconduct for
38:09
Speaker 5: grooming toddlers continues to hold an active Working with Children
38:14
Speaker 5: check in this state because the government has failed to
38:17
Speaker 5: take action. Now, a couple of weeks ago in the Parliament,
38:20
Speaker 5: the Victorian Liberals and Nationals brought new laws to the
38:23
Speaker 5: floor of the Parliament that would have fully implemented the
38:26
Speaker 5: Ombudsman's recommendations. It would have linked the Working with Children
38:29
Speaker 5: check to the police database and the government, the Premier
38:33
Speaker 5: and all of her ministers and MPs voted down that legislation.
38:37
Speaker 5: It's simply unacceptable and it duly demonstrates that the Premier
38:41
Speaker 5: is refusing to put children's safety first.
38:45
Speaker 2: Has she apologized to the parents of those children that
38:47
Speaker 2: have had to undergo those tests because of the predators
38:51
Speaker 2: that have been allowed to get into childcare.
38:54
Speaker 5: Well, the Premier has failed to take the leadership that
38:58
Speaker 5: this state needed. And you're right, my heart breaks for
39:01
Speaker 5: those parents who had to take their babies, their toddlers
39:04
Speaker 5: to go and get tested for sexually transmitted diseases. It
39:08
Speaker 5: is absolutely horrific and it is a result of the
39:11
Speaker 5: Premier not taking the urgent action that was needed at
39:15
Speaker 5: the time. The Premier's actually tried to say that it
39:17
Speaker 5: wasn't her responsibility, that she wasn't a key decision maker
39:20
Speaker 5: three years ago. But I'm sorry, Steve. She was the
39:22
Speaker 5: deputy premier and they've had three years since then. Two
39:26
Speaker 5: act they could have acted three weeks ago when we
39:28
Speaker 5: took these laws to the floor of the Parliament. But
39:31
Speaker 5: what did the Premier do. She voted them down. We
39:33
Speaker 5: should be doing everything we possibly can to put children's
39:37
Speaker 5: safety first, working constructively together the opposition and the government,
39:41
Speaker 5: and that has been our offer at every point in time,
39:44
Speaker 5: is let's put politics aside and put children's safety first.
39:48
Speaker 2: The Premier had former South Australian Premier Joe whether or
39:51
Speaker 2: do this report, and we mentioned there the childcare system
39:56
Speaker 2: which is largely run by private profit organization, private companies.
40:02
Speaker 2: What's going to change in that space, do you think?
40:07
Speaker 5: Well, Unfortunately, the review actually has a number of recommendations,
40:11
Speaker 5: about half the recommendations directed towards the Commonwealth government and
40:15
Speaker 5: so in a large part the Victorian Government and the
40:18
Speaker 5: Premiere are handballing a lot of the responsibility to the
40:21
Speaker 5: Commonwealth rather than actually taking control of what the situation
40:25
Speaker 5: here is in Victoria. And so we do need to
40:27
Speaker 5: have a look at the system as a whole. But
40:29
Speaker 5: my interest, even my job as a shadow Education Minister,
40:32
Speaker 5: is to ensure that we are doing everything we can
40:35
Speaker 5: here in Victoria to keep children safe. And an example
40:38
Speaker 5: of that in the review is handballing to the Commonwealth
40:41
Speaker 5: the idea of installing CCTV in childcare centers. Now we
40:46
Speaker 5: know that CCTV can act as a deterrent. We know
40:49
Speaker 5: from the police that is incredibly important that God forbid
40:52
Speaker 5: the worst does happen. That they then have information and
40:55
Speaker 5: they can access that footage and of course we need
40:58
Speaker 5: to put the appropriate safeguard around that footage and that data.
41:02
Speaker 5: But the Victorian government has decided that they're going to
41:05
Speaker 5: hand all that to the federal government rather than taking
41:08
Speaker 5: the lead on it in the state, unlike the new
41:10
Speaker 5: South Wales government which is in the process now of
41:12
Speaker 5: installing CCTV and childcare centers.
41:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, incompetency. Good on you, Jess, Thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for that. We'll talk to you again soon now after
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Speaker 2: the break. Talking about concerns. Concerns about the lack of
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Speaker 2: detail in Labour's NDS reforms, plus the activists reveling in
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Speaker 2: the diplomatic spat between the Israeli and Australian prime ministers.
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Speaker 2: The panels up next, Welcome back Andrew Boll coming up
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Speaker 2: just after me. Now, i'd like to bring in our
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Speaker 2: panel tonight, Sky News contributor Caroll Lee Katsimbanas and Dardy
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Speaker 2: Telegraph reporter James Willis. Great to have you both with us,
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Speaker 2: and I want to start here with this AFL decision
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Speaker 2: that happened today over this player, Isaac Rankin. Now to
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Speaker 2: explain to our national audience. He plays to the Adelaide Crows.
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Speaker 2: They were in a game against Collingwood last weekend. He's
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Speaker 2: alleged to have made a homophobic slur against a Collingwood player.
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Speaker 2: Somebody heard it, reported it to the AFL and they've
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Speaker 2: taken all week to work out that they will rule
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Speaker 2: this blokeout for four matches now, Caroly I watched with
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Speaker 2: incredulity a media conference done by Andrew Dillon, the AFL
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Speaker 2: CEO today where he was asked one question and one
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Speaker 2: only about how come you've rubbed this young blokeout for
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Speaker 2: four weeks. You probably miss a Grand Final for saying
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Speaker 2: the F word, which is seen as a homophobic slur.
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Speaker 2: But you're paying several million dollars for Snoop Dogg, the
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Speaker 2: rap artist, to perform at the Grand Final in front
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Speaker 2: of one hundred thousand people. How does that work?
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Speaker 9: Well, good evening, pricey, how does it work? Indeed? Look,
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Speaker 9: the AFL has sent its how set itself up as
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Speaker 9: as woke is the arbitra of woke. As we know,
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Speaker 9: this is the sixth player in sixteen months accused of
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Speaker 9: making a homophobic slur. Four weeks ago we had West
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Speaker 9: Coast Eagles Jeremy Finlayson. He has been rubbed out for
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Speaker 9: four weeks. We've had others who've had Lance Collard. I mean,
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Speaker 9: I'm not a football officionado, but it's wrong on so
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Speaker 9: many levels. It's also important to point out that, you know, okay,
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Speaker 9: big deal, so he's actually self reported and said it,
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Speaker 9: but you've got to face the consequences of your action.
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Speaker 9: Or he's a big name player and he might miss
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Speaker 9: a Grand final. There are plenty of players that are
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Speaker 9: not able to play their Grand finals. Johnny Noble from Collingwood,
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Speaker 9: you know recently But the bottom line is if the
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Speaker 9: AFL set itself up like this. The other thing that
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Speaker 9: doesn't set well with me is, you know, you're getting
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Speaker 9: a four or five week ban for making a homophobic slur,
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Speaker 9: which is actually horrific that shouldn't even be happening now,
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Speaker 9: But yet you get people that are you know, that
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Speaker 9: strike people on purpose, and that aren't even given half
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Speaker 9: as much as that. It just doesn't make sense. It's very,
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Speaker 9: very weak, and the AFL needs to really have a
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Speaker 9: good look at itself and relook at its education because
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Speaker 9: whatever it's doing isn't working.
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Speaker 2: James, I know you hate hypocrisy as much as I do.
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Speaker 2: What I don't get is you can hire a convicted criminal,
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Speaker 2: a bloke who's had gun charges, he's had drug charges.
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Speaker 2: If you'll read the lyrics of his songs, he talks
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Speaker 2: about awful things that he would suggest that you do
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Speaker 2: with women. He talks about homosexuals in the way that
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Speaker 2: this bloke has and yet Dylan goes, oh, well, when
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Speaker 2: he performs for us, it'll be a family friendly performance.
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Speaker 2: But how do you get away with that?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's incredible, Steve, and it is hypocrisy, and people
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Speaker 11: are smart enough to put two and two together there
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Speaker 11: and realize that the person performing is going to be
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Speaker 11: you know, as complicit, if not more of horrific language
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Speaker 11: in years gone by on the band itself. I just
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Speaker 11: think it's amazing when you consider how talented these athletes are,
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Speaker 11: what they can do at a million miles an hour,
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Speaker 11: professional athletes that do all sorts of incredible things, and
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Speaker 11: the control that they have in their games. To realize
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Speaker 11: that this word has resulted in players been banned previously
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Speaker 11: for a number of weeks. Why would a player be
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Speaker 11: be saying it on the field. It's as simple as that.
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Speaker 11: I just think it's dumb. If it means missing a
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Speaker 11: Grand final, so be it. It's his responsibility. He should
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Speaker 11: have known there's precedent for this, and as a result,
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Speaker 11: it's an incredibly dumb way to miss a Grand Final.
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Speaker 11: But if it's going to stop the next person from
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Speaker 11: using the same word on the field, and so be it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, but white line fever does things
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Speaker 2: to people. I mean, you're in the heat of the
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Speaker 2: battle and there's extenuating circumstances. Isaac Rankin was knocked out
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Speaker 2: by a Collingwood player in a game last year Cancust
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Speaker 2: and missed. He missed several matches. You know, there was
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Speaker 2: a verbal stout between all those players all day long.
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Speaker 2: I get your point, but it's the hypocrisy I get Caroly.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the government's decision to remove
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Speaker 2: children with mild autism or development delays from the NDIS
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Speaker 2: now it's to rain in spending. But they haven't explained
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Speaker 2: this properly. What are the parents of children with minor
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Speaker 2: autism going to now do? Are they going to stay
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Speaker 2: on the indios? Because this new part of the scheme
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Speaker 2: is going to be called Thriving Kids. Guess when it
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Speaker 2: starts July twenty twenty seven. What happens between now and then.
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Speaker 9: Look, I actually think it's a slap in the face
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Speaker 9: to parents. I know that, you know the Health Minister
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Speaker 9: Mark Butler has said we won't abandon these parents, we
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Speaker 9: won't abandon these children. But you know half the participants
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Speaker 9: under the age of fifteen. You know, if they've got
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Speaker 9: a mild developmental delay or mild autism, they shouldn't be
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Speaker 9: on a scheme set up for permanent disability. Children can't
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Speaker 9: outgrow autism. What needs to be done is if they're
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Speaker 9: winding up this scheme in twenty twenty seven. They've been
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Speaker 9: in power for four years. We know that it's been
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Speaker 9: a runaway train. It's forty six billion dollars a year.
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Speaker 9: It's set to hit one hundred and five billion dollars,
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Speaker 9: you know in the next few years. It's not good enough.
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Speaker 9: These parents need help now. But the other thing is
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Speaker 9: perhaps they actually need to look at all the frauds
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Speaker 9: from providers that have been able to take advantage of
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Speaker 9: a system that was set up by Bill Shorten. This
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Speaker 9: is nothing new that needs to be looked at, ridiculous savings,
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Speaker 9: things that people can actually claim. I actually think for
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Speaker 9: children it is incredibly important. Okay, on one hand, as
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Speaker 9: you say, it is a system, but if you're going
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Speaker 9: to do it, set it up now, you've had four
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Speaker 9: years to do it. And if I'm to cant of
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Speaker 9: those children, I'd be incredibly worried.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they need to do it straight away, James, I
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Speaker 2: want to ask you about these pro Palestinian actives in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: They've been reveling in that diplomatic spap between benymin Nett
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Speaker 2: Yahu and Anthony Albaneasi. It's the stand for Palestine Australia mob.
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Speaker 2: They've praised Tony Burke's criticism of Net and Yahoo's saying
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Speaker 2: Tony Burk says, the first decent thing in two years today,
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Speaker 2: all after Hiss made elbow got slapped around on the
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Speaker 2: international circuit like a rag doll. I mean, god, these
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Speaker 2: people really seriously.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and amazingly Labor has nailed their to the mast
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Speaker 11: and we know exactly where they stand on these conflicts
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Speaker 11: and the most provocative comments as well from Tony Burke
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Speaker 11: in the last few days. We know what the Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister has done over the last few weeks and Penny Wong,
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Speaker 11: and it's created an international incident where Benjamin Net and
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Speaker 11: Yahoo has condemned what the Prime minister, the action that
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Speaker 11: he's taken. And it's also put us at odds with
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Speaker 11: our closest ally or one of the two closest allies
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Speaker 11: in the United States by cuddling up to the other
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Speaker 11: ally in the UK and other countries in France instead.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, my sort of view on this.
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Speaker 11: Is I think when there are horrors going on, then
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Speaker 11: of course we need to condemn them as we go.
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Speaker 11: We should have in general sympathy for all of the
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Speaker 11: Middle East. But when you start really picking sides and
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Speaker 11: effectively turning people against each other, we know what that
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Speaker 11: does locally here, there's a big problem and the next
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Speaker 11: few years.
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Speaker 2: Creates absolute division between people, which it shouldn't happen currently
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Speaker 2: and James, thank you very much for that. Make sure
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Speaker 2: you stick around tonight for remarks. It's exclusive with Benjaminette
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Speaker 2: and Yahoo. Andrew box up next.