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Ross Fulton Analysis: Signs Of Progress For The Ohio State Run Game? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyees tomorrow morning for Wednesday, November twelfth. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Tom or the UCLA game in three days,
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Speaker 1: the game against Michigan in seventeen days. Today we're welcoming
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Speaker 1: reservation today. All right, so we got some good, we
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Speaker 1: got some bad to talk about with the Ohio State
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Speaker 1: offense and their performance against Purdue. We'll start with the bad.
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Speaker 1: We'll end with the bad, but we'll have a nice
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Speaker 1: we'll have a nice, good bunch of fun stuff to
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Speaker 1: talk about in the middle. Ross, We're going to start
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Speaker 1: with the running game. And it feels like all season
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Speaker 1: long we've talked about the fact that the running game
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Speaker 1: has kind of been It's been okay, but it's been
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Speaker 1: inconsistent and they have been able to really hit the
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Speaker 1: big plays and so much those of those issues feel
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Speaker 1: like they started up front, and this was another game
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Speaker 1: where some of you saw the issues and it felt
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Speaker 1: like a lot of those issues once again started up front.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I saw a staff from Bill Conley, who
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Speaker 2: you know does sp plus for ESPN. I think high
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Speaker 2: states like nineteenth in the country and rushing success rate
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Speaker 2: which is really good, but basically don't get anything above
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Speaker 2: success rate, right, and so there's a host of factors
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Speaker 2: to that. And before I get into like the upfront
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Speaker 2: of the technique here like big picture, right, so this
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Speaker 2: is an RPO insert However, again, first thing you'll notice
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Speaker 2: is that Julian sand is hitting off here, Purdue safety
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Speaker 2: flying down hill and cover three.
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Speaker 3: I feel like we do this every week, right and game.
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Speaker 2: Then there's two types of games for Out of State's offense.
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Speaker 2: There are games where they're pulling and throwing these and
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Speaker 2: those are usually very happy shows where you know, we
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Speaker 2: talked about the number of yards and points scored, and
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Speaker 2: then there are games like this where they are not
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Speaker 2: during those and still very efficient, like you look at
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Speaker 2: Parker or Flemings. You know, how bad did we get
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Speaker 2: beat like Ohio State massively success rate like differential versus Purdue.
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Speaker 2: But it gets a little clunky when they let teams
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Speaker 2: like Purdue get away with out numbering in the box
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Speaker 2: against the run game, and they don't exploit that with
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Speaker 2: the pass game. Right, So I'm gonna guess this is
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Speaker 2: a game like again, very big picture, it's Purdue. It's
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Speaker 2: you don't have Kernel Tait, you don't have Philip Daniels.
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Speaker 2: We got lots of kind of bodies coming in and out.
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Speaker 2: I hesitate to the term mail it in might be
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Speaker 2: too strong of a term, but this is definitely I
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Speaker 2: think a let's check the boxes, let's work on running
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Speaker 2: the football even when we're out numbered in the box,
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Speaker 2: and let's get out of here.
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Speaker 3: Right. So all that being said, so we get you
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Speaker 3: get a lot of this particular in rundowns peer Purdue.
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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of single high a lot of
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Speaker 2: pretty aggressive you know, bringing guys off the edge, bringing
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Speaker 2: safeties down. So if you're not throwing these RPOs, regardless
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Speaker 2: of even if this is blocked up perfectly, Purdue is
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Speaker 2: gonna have an extra hat in the box. Right, We've
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Speaker 2: got seven blockers for eight defenders. Now, the game it
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Speaker 2: might have been more of like a five yard game
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Speaker 2: instead of that. But then we get into as you said,
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Speaker 2: like the more of the blocking technique. This is you know,
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Speaker 2: we can obviously focus on Tiger Shibola, Like this is
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Speaker 2: pretty reflective of Tiger's issues, Like he's got the size
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Speaker 2: and the the you know, when he walks onto someone,
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Speaker 2: he's fine, but he he wastepends, which means he reaches
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Speaker 2: instead of moving his feet and you know, keeping his
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Speaker 2: base under him and you know, the offensive line of
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Speaker 2: a hole. I would say, then struggles with movement. So
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Speaker 2: like we've shown this in recent weeks two, like lots
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Speaker 2: of teams that are slanting stunting on them and they're
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Speaker 2: struggling sometimes with combo box so coming off. So like
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Speaker 2: Carson does get off this block here to the linebrackers.
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Speaker 2: We saw a lot of situations on Saturday where they
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Speaker 2: did not get to the second level. Here they do,
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Speaker 2: but the problem is like they haven't secured the double
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Speaker 2: team first, right, So you like on these zone concepts,
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Speaker 2: you want to establish the double team, drive it vertically
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Speaker 2: and then come off from the linebackers.
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Speaker 3: That doesn't happen.
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Speaker 2: Also, like will kes Merrick's path here to try to
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Speaker 2: get to that backside linebacker, like either he needs to
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Speaker 2: come inside Austin Sarahvild or they need to double again
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Speaker 2: and then Sarah Villa needs to come off. So like
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Speaker 2: you're just seeing these like it's not just a Tegri
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Speaker 2: Shabola thing. Like obviously, like there's some pretty blade examples
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Speaker 2: where Tegri Shabola has struggled. You know, that screen pass
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Speaker 2: being one, some pass protection breakdowns where again he's reaching
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Speaker 2: and you know, getting guys where in Julian San's face,
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Speaker 2: I will say, like without Josh Badilla, there's only so
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Speaker 2: much they can do right, Like they there's not really
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Speaker 2: another option at right guards. So I think that like
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Speaker 2: I don't think Tiger's probably going in where I think
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Speaker 2: if Josh Media gets healthy, you'll see like more of
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Speaker 2: like a fullsome rotation going forward. But I will say
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Speaker 2: it's like not just Tegra and I'll share that here.
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think Luke Montgomery's had quite
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Speaker 2: a few struggles in recent weeks with like combo blocks
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Speaker 2: getting to the second level and like there's just like
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Speaker 2: a lot of issues with recognition when when teams are
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Speaker 2: moving around against them, like you know you're Ohio State
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Speaker 2: like teams are gonna like produce, are going to throw
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Speaker 2: the SNK at you, right, and so you know you're
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Speaker 2: going to get some of that. But like I just
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Speaker 2: think like instead of keeping their eyes like particularly on zone.
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Speaker 3: Plays, or like when guys are pulling, like.
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Speaker 2: Instead of keeping your eyes up and like sticking with
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Speaker 2: your steps or your assignment and like taking what comes,
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Speaker 2: guys are getting too locked on and so it's leading
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Speaker 2: to like miss blocks or miss assignments.
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Speaker 1: Well, and if you like miss blocks, boy is the
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Speaker 1: next play for you. This is This is one where
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Speaker 1: Isaiah West is running a stretch play and he has
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Speaker 1: just about the entire Purdue team right around him right away,
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Speaker 1: and he's still almost it does for a moment look
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Speaker 1: like maybe he's gonna break it, and then the turf
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Speaker 1: bnster gets him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Again, So like twelve personnel, lots of twelve personnel in
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Speaker 2: this game. And again pig picture, like especially with Cornel
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Speaker 2: taite out, you get what they got lots of tight
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Speaker 2: ends they don't. I mean we saw pretty quickly, like
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Speaker 2: the wide receiver depth is actually pretty iffy, Like you
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Speaker 2: have two amazing wide receivers and then like you know,
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Speaker 2: it starts to get a little dicey, right, Like I
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Speaker 2: think Brandon and this has been playing better. He've had
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Speaker 2: some nice plays, especially with that Quincy Porter two, who
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Speaker 2: I think is shuns the promise. You know, you're that
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Speaker 2: nice running catch against Wisconsin. Like you know, Milon Grant
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Speaker 2: dropped a pass right on that first third down that
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Speaker 2: should have been on the first series that.
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Speaker 3: Led to the only pun of the game.
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Speaker 2: So like, you know, I get why they're they're doing
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Speaker 2: the personnel they are, it's just you're just getting only
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Speaker 2: so much other run game. So again here like producing
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Speaker 2: a hot pressure. So again we're gonna be out numbered
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Speaker 2: and guys are moving. But even with that, like this
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Speaker 2: is like a total breakdown, right, Like you have the
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Speaker 2: right side of the offensive line here you have Ian
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Speaker 2: Moore and Gave Vansigle, so both super young players and
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Speaker 2: like Purduke kept doing this where they like try to
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Speaker 2: come off the backside to get stretched because again like
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Speaker 2: don't have the.
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Speaker 3: Quarterback run threat.
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Speaker 2: You know, you have bootlegs, but like you got to
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Speaker 2: force them to respect the boot leg, which means you
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Speaker 2: got to throw and they're jumping around so they're trying
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Speaker 2: to peel back to pick these guys up, they miss,
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Speaker 2: then you've got this sort of you know some people
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Speaker 2: call like a Montana pressure. Basically you're trying to create
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Speaker 2: the bear front, like we've talked about that, right, like
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Speaker 2: number five for Purdue, he's got to attack the center
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Speaker 2: so everyone's covered up. You basically get the impact of
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Speaker 2: the Penny front. And then sixteen, the backside linebacker can
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Speaker 2: roam free. Right but like again, like eyes aren't up,
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Speaker 2: you've got to get hensman over steps instead of like
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Speaker 2: keeping on his track.
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Speaker 3: Then you don't.
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Speaker 2: You have Siraville and Montgomery like turning their back so
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Speaker 2: neither of them can come off.
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Speaker 3: For the backside linebacker.
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Speaker 2: You've got then number eight on block, and so you
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Speaker 2: sort of get like again the Comedy of Airs where
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Speaker 2: you're both outnumbered and not achieving blocks upfront.
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Speaker 3: So this was about as bad as it got.
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Speaker 2: And you know, we're gonna have some good examples here
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Speaker 2: of the run game, like they got it going in
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Speaker 2: the second half. I just think it shows why the
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Speaker 2: run game is more uneven compared to like you know,
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Speaker 2: talking about the best passing game in the country that
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Speaker 2: even you know, against Purdue, similar to like the Illinois game,
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Speaker 2: like was asked to bail out. I stayed a lot
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Speaker 2: of times behind the chains and like pretty consistently did so.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's get to some of the positive because rewatching
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Speaker 1: the game, I was pretty impressed with how bo Jackson ran.
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Speaker 1: He had obviously the long touchdown right off the bat
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Speaker 1: that got negated by the block in the back penalty
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Speaker 1: on Jeremiah Smith. He also had some really tough runs
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Speaker 1: in short yardage that you know, there's a third three
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Speaker 1: that they converted. One they converted Tony Garderman and I
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Speaker 1: talked about that on an episode of the Bucket Weekly podcast.
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Speaker 1: Probably find right about now on on a rewatch of
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Speaker 1: that that game, but there he had. Bo Jackson had
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Speaker 1: some really solid runs in this next one is just
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Speaker 1: another example of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the first game where I felt like
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Speaker 2: the running backs really picked up the offensive line in spots.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Brian Day after the game he
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Speaker 2: used the term like bring your own blocker for you know,
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Speaker 2: bo Jackson, especially in some of those short yard situations
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Speaker 2: like CJ. Donaldson had some tough runs, like he scored
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Speaker 2: when he was like hit at the three, and like
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Speaker 2: he's doing a much better job in those short yard situations,
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Speaker 2: vening his padslower compared to like that Ou game we
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Speaker 2: talked about earlier in the season where a safety truck
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Speaker 2: them like he's carrying guys in the end zone. Bo Jackson,
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Speaker 2: you know, made some guys missing the backfield, carried some
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Speaker 2: guys for first down. So I agree with you, and
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Speaker 2: I do think the run game again, it got on track,
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Speaker 2: maybe maybe a little bit more once they figure out
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Speaker 2: what Produe is doing. So it's this is like the
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Speaker 2: exact same scheme as we just showed where it was
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Speaker 2: like a swinging gate fence with everyone in the backfield right,
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Speaker 2: but like here it's actually, well, so you're again twelve personnel,
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Speaker 2: you're getting this front side. You kind of have this
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Speaker 2: like combo lead block that we've talked about, and here
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Speaker 2: you can see like on the left side they execute
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Speaker 2: this hinge correctly. Because, as I said, like pretty the
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Speaker 2: first couple series of the game had guys just like
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Speaker 2: screaming off the back edge that made blocks or made
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Speaker 2: tackles unblocked.
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Speaker 3: You know, they start having to respect the bootleg.
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Speaker 2: You get here, Carson Hinsman does a really nice job
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Speaker 2: getting the second level, and like the final thing is
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Speaker 2: is like again, unlike some of those early examples, here
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Speaker 2: it's first and ten and produce and cover two. So
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Speaker 2: we got two deep safeties instead of an extra one
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Speaker 2: in the box. And so like all those things came together,
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Speaker 2: you know, produced through a lot of looks at them.
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Speaker 3: As I said, so like the more.
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Speaker 2: Not to be a broken record, but like the more
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Speaker 2: they complete the RPOs and like lean into that stuff
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Speaker 2: passing on early downs, it forces teams out of being
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Speaker 2: aggressive against the run, like the better the run game.
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Speaker 3: Is going to look.
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Speaker 1: Before we get to the next running play. I did
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Speaker 1: want to ask you about something that Tony and I
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Speaker 1: actually talked about on one of the shows earlier in
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Speaker 1: the week, and that was since you mentioned CJ. Donaldson
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Speaker 1: on that Lincoln Keyholes touchdown. DJ Donaldson does a really
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Speaker 1: nice job as the lead blocker on that one, and
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Speaker 1: watching that, you kind of wonder, would you know, They've
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Speaker 1: obviously used Nate Roberts a bunch as that lead blocker
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Speaker 1: and he's been okay, But when you've got CJ. Donaldson,
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Speaker 1: he's probably a little more dynamic with the football in
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Speaker 1: his hands than Nate Roberts is, at least out of
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Speaker 1: the backfield. Would that make sense to think about using CJ.
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Speaker 1: Donaldson in that kind of lead blocker role at times,
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Speaker 1: especially in those sort of short yard situations.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it depends that they feel comfortable with
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Speaker 2: another with like Bo Jackson being the tailback in those situations.
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Speaker 2: I think that they like the fact that, like you know,
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Speaker 2: Nate Roberts offers probably like a pass catching throat out
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Speaker 2: of the backfield theoretically in those situations. But so does Donaldson.
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Speaker 2: So that could be a possibility. I mean, and you saw,
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Speaker 2: like on that Lincoln Keyholts run like you know, that's
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Speaker 2: what a plus one does, right, So now you're you're
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Speaker 2: not you have an extra blocker because the quarterbacks the
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Speaker 2: ball carrier, and so that that might be something, you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be something that they're
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Speaker 2: going to use regularly, but it's out. They put it
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Speaker 2: out there on film again, and it's something they could
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Speaker 2: go to if they really, you know, needed a short yardage.
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Speaker 2: But I agree that that play was executed well, and
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Speaker 2: I you know, I do think that.
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Speaker 3: Donaldson's serving a role.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it I continue to struggle, as
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Speaker 2: I've said, like I said earlier, I get the twelve personnel.
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Speaker 2: When we get down the tight end depth chart, I
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Speaker 2: think that it leaves something to be desired, and I
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Speaker 2: continue to struggle putting for due to a side where
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Speaker 2: they're trying to get guys reps in high leverage situations,
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Speaker 2: like do we you know, how much do they really
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Speaker 2: want to be playing these like fourth and fifth tight ends.
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Speaker 2: I think like seeing lots of miss blocks from that
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Speaker 2: group as well, not just the offensive line, so you know,
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Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's an interesting theory. Again, I
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Speaker 2: think it depends someone how they feel about the other
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Speaker 2: tailbacks hailing that role. Like clearly they feel the best
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Speaker 2: about Jackson is Isaiah West as runners, but like you know,
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Speaker 2: as days happy to talk about it, like there's lots
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Speaker 2: more to that role. I mean, Isaiah West missed on
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Speaker 2: a Blitz pick up and you know nearly got saying
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Speaker 2: killed right away, So like stuff like that is just
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Speaker 2: going to limit it. So obviously, you know, they feel
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Speaker 2: more comfortable with Donaldson kind of like a short gyards
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Speaker 2: third down back, and then even like people's out of
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Speaker 2: the backfield in the passing game, so it seems like
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Speaker 2: they're going to just keep having sort of niche rolls
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Speaker 2: for all four of those guys.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like they're sort of piecing together
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Speaker 1: the running backs rather than having one or two guys
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Speaker 1: that they kind of trust to do a little bit
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Speaker 1: of everything. But man, you know, you mentioned the failed
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Speaker 1: blitz pick up on by West, and that was certainly
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Speaker 1: something that would go on the negative column. But man,
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Speaker 1: oh man, he had some nice runs. He continues to
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Speaker 1: look really good in sort of these flashes, and you
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Speaker 1: hear Randy talk all of them about guys flashing, but
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Speaker 1: you got to do it consistently. This was one of
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Speaker 1: these flashes. This is you know, this is GT count,
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Speaker 1: This is something we see them run a decent amount.
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Speaker 1: But West turns this next one into a really nice game.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because that let's pick up was so
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Speaker 2: passe if you are not aggressive and not violent, and
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Speaker 2: when he runs by contrast like he gets going down.
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Speaker 3: Hell, man, he's he's a load.
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Speaker 2: So this is like they've had so much trouble when
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Speaker 2: they run counter in terms of like the guys that
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Speaker 2: are pulling the guards or that the tight ends recognizing
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Speaker 2: like what's going on and who they need to pick up.
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Speaker 2: By contrast, like when they run gt counter like this,
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Speaker 2: it's been really smooth, Like they have some good runs,
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Speaker 2: but I think to me, like the bigger picture thing
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Speaker 2: here is like they combine this notably with an arrow
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Speaker 2: or slide screen to max player, Like so this is
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Speaker 2: thirteen personnel, right, but they still have this like threat
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Speaker 2: stretching the defense horizontally and like whether you use this
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Speaker 2: example or like on that Jeremiah Smith where he was
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Speaker 2: you know, mugged and still caught the ball in his
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Speaker 2: past interference like that was a pin and pull RPO,
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Speaker 2: Like they look good with sort of these concepts that
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Speaker 2: are kind of going both laterally both directions where you
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Speaker 2: keep the pass threat. But yeah, this has blocked really well,
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Speaker 2: you know, uh tagrip trabola, you know, pull a good kickout,
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Speaker 2: good log by anymore, really nice job by kas Merrick
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Speaker 2: coming down and then getting off on the linebacker. And
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Speaker 2: you know probably if West cuts to the left and
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Speaker 2: said the right, it might be a touchdown. But as
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Speaker 2: I said, like I just think the way for this
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Speaker 2: run game generally, like they have run stretch well from
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Speaker 2: the pistol, but I still think that it's like when
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Speaker 2: you really push comes a shove, like using concepts that
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Speaker 2: combine the RPO threat, whether it's like horizontally stretching the
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Speaker 2: field or like you know, more of the vertical ones.
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Speaker 2: Like we just showed the glands are out.
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Speaker 1: All right, and now we're gonna see We're gonna see
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Speaker 1: Julian Saning go very vertical on this one. This is
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Speaker 1: this long touchdown past Jeremiah Smith. And we have seen
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Speaker 1: a whole year of Julian saying making great throws and
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Speaker 1: Julian saying being very comfortable throwing the ball down the field,
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Speaker 1: and you you know to a degree that you would
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Speaker 1: still be a little bit surprised with a first year
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Speaker 1: starter being this comfortable throwing the ball as far down
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Speaker 1: the field as he is, regardless of who his wide
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Speaker 1: receivers are. Still, this is one even by those standards,
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Speaker 1: This is one that you know several several photographers on
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Speaker 1: the sideline. This next one, this is this long touchdown
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Speaker 1: to Jeremiah Smith. This is one where we watched it
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Speaker 1: went holy crap, and then you turn around to watch
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Speaker 1: that you look the video boards like, holy crap, this
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Speaker 1: was an unbelievable throw.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're talking about coming up rolling half rolling
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Speaker 2: to your lap, getting your shoulders squared and putting that
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Speaker 2: in the location he does.
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Speaker 3: It's a it's a great throw, you know.
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Speaker 2: It's it's interesting, like you'll note here that Jeremi Smith
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Speaker 2: is in the slot.
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Speaker 3: It's I can't say o.
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Speaker 2: High State's the most full of disclosure team about injuries,
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Speaker 2: So you never know quite how and when they were
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Speaker 2: exactly prepared to not have to Colonel Tate, but whether
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Speaker 2: this was more on the fly or more in the plan.
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Speaker 2: All week saw Smith in the slot a lot against Purdue,
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Speaker 2: you know, trying to move him around because as we'll see,
17:10
Speaker 2: like it, trying to avoid teams doubling him with especially
17:14
Speaker 2: without Tate there, and so you know they especially they
17:17
Speaker 2: use this little motion from at and Is to pull
17:18
Speaker 2: him out and they get this seam route against cover two.
17:21
Speaker 2: So this is like a really similar concept to the
17:23
Speaker 2: one they used with Colonel Tate when he was in
17:25
Speaker 2: the slot a couple of weeks ago for a touchdown.
17:28
Speaker 2: And you know, this linebacker is obviously never going to
17:30
Speaker 2: be able to run with Smith trying to you know,
17:34
Speaker 2: play that poll runner technique. And so you know the
17:37
Speaker 2: other thing they do, like Day always does a great
17:39
Speaker 2: job of like protecting the line and pass protection.
17:42
Speaker 3: So like wherever you have.
17:43
Speaker 2: Certain breakdowns, you know, you get a lot of these
17:45
Speaker 2: like six and seven man protections as well, where you're
17:48
Speaker 2: you know, pulling the backside guard, then you're getting a
17:50
Speaker 2: full slide. So everyone just has to worry about the
17:52
Speaker 2: gap to their rate instead of like having you know,
17:55
Speaker 2: like we talked about last week with that carts and
17:57
Speaker 2: hintsman situation, Like you know, half slide are big on
17:59
Speaker 2: big where you got multiple gaps and you know, so
18:01
Speaker 2: you get these established protections where you can throw vertically
18:04
Speaker 2: and obviously the more you can move around Smith.
18:08
Speaker 3: And you know, the other thing.
18:09
Speaker 2: I'll note is like with in this playing Tate's position,
18:11
Speaker 2: like another thing I would look for, particularly like when
18:14
Speaker 2: you get to the Michigans of the world who want
18:17
Speaker 2: to double Smith, but even Tate as well as Purdue
18:22
Speaker 2: had had in their game plan like putting them to
18:25
Speaker 2: the same side of the field as well, because it
18:26
Speaker 2: makes doubling harder, all.
18:30
Speaker 1: Right, and someone else who helped fill in and you know,
18:33
Speaker 1: fill a fill in for Carnel Tate again on Saturday
18:36
Speaker 1: against Purdue with Bryson Rodgers, you show them kind of
18:39
Speaker 1: mixing in a bunch of different guys, This next one,
18:42
Speaker 1: this is I believe the long catch of the day
18:44
Speaker 1: for Bryson Rodgers. I think this was a third down
18:46
Speaker 1: conversion as well, and just another another example of no
18:50
Speaker 1: no Colonel Tate, no problem, just throw. You know, there's
18:53
Speaker 1: Julian saying, find another open receiver over the middle.
18:56
Speaker 3: Yeah you can.
18:57
Speaker 2: I mean I thought to start off like Bryson Rodgers,
19:01
Speaker 2: like you know, took advantage of his opportunity obviously at
19:04
Speaker 2: you know, as I said, Graham dropped that one, and
19:06
Speaker 2: it was a while before he came back in, and
19:08
Speaker 2: I thought Bryce Rodgers had himself a nice game.
19:11
Speaker 3: But like it definitely makes it when you say no problem,
19:15
Speaker 3: Like it was harder.
19:17
Speaker 1: No problem against Perdue.
19:18
Speaker 3: Maybe is a better way to explain it.
19:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you.
19:20
Speaker 2: Could see early on on third down, Purdue was basically
19:24
Speaker 2: ran in like two doubles, so similar to what Penn
19:27
Speaker 2: State did. It kind of looks like two deep man
19:29
Speaker 2: under where they're basically want to double two sides once
19:32
Speaker 2: they knew Colonel Tate wasn't playing. You got a lot
19:34
Speaker 2: of this on third down. This is one double right,
19:37
Speaker 2: So again you have Jeremiah Smith in the slot, you
19:40
Speaker 2: have a single deep safety. What the other safety's doing.
19:43
Speaker 2: He's just double covering Smith, right, so you can see
19:45
Speaker 2: the bracket like the nicol has outside leveraged, that safety
19:49
Speaker 2: has inside leverage. So he's for all intentsive purposes double teamed.
19:53
Speaker 2: And so that means, like as saying talked about postgame,
19:55
Speaker 2: like he's got to go somewhere different with the ball,
19:57
Speaker 2: So you have to work to the opposite side.
20:00
Speaker 3: I hits Rogers on this dig.
20:02
Speaker 2: You know you saw earlier in the game, like Inness
20:04
Speaker 2: when they ran the doubled Smith on that third and
20:07
Speaker 2: five were saying, actually kind of threw it a little
20:10
Speaker 2: bit behind in us on that age out and he
20:12
Speaker 2: made a nice catch and run.
20:14
Speaker 3: So you did see the slack picked up.
20:16
Speaker 2: I from Ohio State perspective, would not want to have
20:19
Speaker 2: to try to continue this playoff run without Coronel Tate
20:25
Speaker 2: and Jeremi Smith. I mean that's what makes the offense,
20:28
Speaker 2: along with Julian's saying special, like you know it's teams
20:32
Speaker 2: can really target Smith and so you saw them have
20:34
Speaker 2: to kind of work harder again to like move Smith
20:36
Speaker 2: around to generate concepts. But again, as I said, like
20:42
Speaker 2: it's a pretty you know, the passing game is like
20:45
Speaker 2: off the charts efficiency wise compared to anyone else in
20:48
Speaker 2: college football. So like you know, it's not many teams
20:51
Speaker 2: that can get in like second and twenty and like
20:53
Speaker 2: they hit you know, saying against Cover three, hit Smith
20:56
Speaker 2: on that deep comeback route, you know for a first down, right,
21:00
Speaker 2: like you get yourself mind the change.
21:02
Speaker 3: It's really difficult.
21:04
Speaker 2: You know, again opponent caveats apply, but like still they
21:07
Speaker 2: it just it gives them so many more opportunities to
21:10
Speaker 2: like bail themselves out with the passing game. And like
21:12
Speaker 2: you know, Max Claire again, like they had some concepts
21:15
Speaker 2: that were going to hit him, and like the one
21:17
Speaker 2: he slipped on Jake but talked about that during the podcast.
21:20
Speaker 2: It was sort of like a kind of a full
21:22
Speaker 2: like cross and then that seam route at the time,
21:24
Speaker 2: it was just a little off between one of the
21:27
Speaker 2: few times. You know, I almost wonder whether like that
21:30
Speaker 2: play action to Isaiah Wes on that one, and people
21:32
Speaker 2: can remember where he sort of overthrew it over Claire's head,
21:36
Speaker 2: like Wes initially went to the right and then he
21:38
Speaker 2: came back to the left, Like that may have thrown
21:40
Speaker 2: the timing off a little bit again, like sort of
21:42
Speaker 2: the issues of you know, young running backs. But all
21:46
Speaker 2: that said, like you know, there's other options there. That's
21:49
Speaker 2: the good thing for them when they do have both
21:51
Speaker 2: Smith and Tate. But you know, it's it's a it's
21:54
Speaker 2: a pretty dynamic passing game. So I continue to believe
21:58
Speaker 2: even when they're like putting all stuff on tape of
22:01
Speaker 2: like running into these heavy fronts, playing a lot of
22:04
Speaker 2: tight ends, I continue to believe that's like sort of
22:06
Speaker 2: part of like the larger plan of like both load management,
22:10
Speaker 2: working on the run game, and then you you know,
22:12
Speaker 2: you want teams to come in ready to defend that.
22:16
Speaker 2: Uh and then you sort of you hit him with
22:18
Speaker 2: the pass game against it.
22:21
Speaker 1: All right, and we've got to do this. Sorry, sorry, Julian,
22:24
Speaker 1: We've got to do this one.
22:25
Speaker 3: Uh.
22:26
Speaker 1: We said earlier the oh wow Julian saying throw brackets complementary.
22:31
Speaker 3: This is the oh wow.
22:32
Speaker 1: Julian saying throw brackets derogatory. The interception he threw, you know,
22:38
Speaker 1: I you know, Ryan Day basically said, yeah, he knows,
22:41
Speaker 1: he you know, he knows what he did. Basically, you know,
22:44
Speaker 1: what is he seeing here that that he makes this throw?
22:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we watch on the TV copy you're like,
22:51
Speaker 2: there's nothing there here. I can once you see it
22:55
Speaker 2: all twenty two, you can kind of see it. So Purdue,
22:58
Speaker 2: as I said, mixed sort of like hot pressures aggressive,
23:02
Speaker 2: like doubles with a lot of drop eight, which they
23:06
Speaker 2: do here. Right, So you're only getting a three man rush.
23:08
Speaker 2: You're playing three. It's a double three cloud. Jim Knowles
23:12
Speaker 2: uses some of this, so you're like, both corners are
23:13
Speaker 2: in the flats, but you got three deep defenders, so
23:15
Speaker 2: three D five under. You know, obviously it's running four verts,
23:19
Speaker 2: which like low red zone. I think you're basically looking
23:22
Speaker 2: to hit the seam. Now I will say Inness actually
23:25
Speaker 2: is open on the steam route, but saying you can
23:28
Speaker 2: see clearly look at at Jeremi Smith, but they like
23:32
Speaker 2: basically triple team Jeremiah Smith here, like they're dropping that
23:35
Speaker 2: defensive end on him, who carries with him. You got
23:38
Speaker 2: this two safeties right there, so that's not there, right,
23:41
Speaker 2: you got you could probably say, like.
23:43
Speaker 3: Dump it to CJ. Donaldson.
23:45
Speaker 2: There are a couple of times in this game that
23:47
Speaker 2: I thought, like, you know, these are the trade offs,
23:49
Speaker 2: like everyone was on saying earlier in the year, for
23:51
Speaker 2: like you're dumping it.
23:52
Speaker 3: Off too much.
23:53
Speaker 2: There are probably a couple of times in this game
23:54
Speaker 2: he could have dumped it off. But you see him,
23:56
Speaker 2: as we talked about the time, like he's gonna want
23:58
Speaker 2: to start pushing it down the field more and more
24:01
Speaker 2: as he goes into the scrambled and you know, unfortunately,
24:04
Speaker 2: as we were talking about Tiger shabol having some issues
24:06
Speaker 2: and pass protection, by leaning here, like despite the three
24:09
Speaker 2: man pressure, he gets beat inside or at least enough
24:12
Speaker 2: to force Saying off the spot.
24:14
Speaker 3: Again.
24:14
Speaker 2: That happens several times on Saturday, both at Shabola and
24:18
Speaker 2: Luke Montgomery. So like Saying scrambles when he's scrambling, you
24:24
Speaker 2: can see innis going to scramble drill right and he's
24:27
Speaker 2: coming to the right side. Here he's open. Now the
24:31
Speaker 2: problem is he's open, but he's going to run right
24:34
Speaker 2: into Jeremiah Smith, who's sort of stuck on that safety.
24:38
Speaker 2: And so I don't think Saints thrown a Smith. I
24:40
Speaker 2: think he's thrown to Innis coming back across the formation.
24:44
Speaker 2: The thing is that that by dropping eight, that defensive
24:47
Speaker 2: end is just sitting there and obviously throwing back across
24:50
Speaker 2: your body. You can only get so much on it,
24:51
Speaker 2: and so much height, particularly in the low red sence.
24:54
Speaker 2: So it's a mistake. He shouldn't have done it. Like,
24:57
Speaker 2: you know, the the choice here is probably like dump
25:00
Speaker 2: it to Donaldson, see how close he can get, or
25:03
Speaker 2: even you know, I'm not sure saying has much of
25:05
Speaker 2: a chance of scrambling that linebacker sitting there. It's it's
25:08
Speaker 2: a dead play, like, you know, the bigger problems like
25:11
Speaker 2: in this situation. And then when they kicked the field
25:13
Speaker 2: goal came on first and second down, like being you know,
25:16
Speaker 2: third and seven, third and eight, or you know, third
25:19
Speaker 2: and goal from the seven or eight yard line, it's
25:21
Speaker 2: just like it's not it's a low percentage situation. So
25:24
Speaker 2: definitely a mistake. But like you know, he's starting to
25:28
Speaker 2: take more chances than he did earlier in the year,
25:30
Speaker 2: and so that's sort of the downside of that.
25:34
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25:36
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