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Baiting the Bachelor w/ Clayton Echard · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to Legally Brunette. I will be your
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Speaker 1: hostess today Emily Simpson with Shane. Today we have a
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Speaker 1: very special episode because we are going to have a
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Speaker 1: guest come on in a little bit and his name
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Speaker 1: is Clayton Eckerd. If you guys do not recognize the
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Speaker 1: name or know what we're going to talk about, we're
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Speaker 1: going to give you a little bit of his bio
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Speaker 1: and a brief background on him before we bring him
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Speaker 1: on so that you guys can get caught up and
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Speaker 1: that we can have a really interesting discussion with him.
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Speaker 1: Because this case, I researched it, looked into it, read
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Speaker 1: a lot of things about it, and it's really really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of him before, Shane, before we
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Speaker 1: decided to have him on the podcast today.
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Speaker 2: I have not heard his story before.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's get into it. So Clayton is
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Speaker 1: a former NFL player. He was also a medical sales
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Speaker 1: representative and reality television personality, best known as the star
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Speaker 1: of season twenty six of The Bachelor. I don't even
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Speaker 1: know what season.
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Speaker 2: That's why I don't know. I didn't watch.
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Speaker 1: You don't watch The Bachelor, No, or the Bachelorette.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't either.
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Speaker 1: A former University of Missouri football walk on, he briefly
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Speaker 1: played for the Seattle Seahawks before his stint on The
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Speaker 1: Bachelorette in twenty twenty one, and then he must have
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Speaker 1: been the breakout star because then they brought him back
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Speaker 1: and he was the Bachelor in twenty twenty two, and
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Speaker 1: that was doing The Bachelorette, and that was season twenty six,
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Speaker 1: all right. He also has a new podcast that's come
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Speaker 1: out recently, and it's called Love Trapped, So former Bachelor
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Speaker 1: Clayton Eckert.
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Speaker 3: It's casual one night fleing.
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Speaker 1: This is what we're going to get into turned into
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Speaker 1: a paternity nightmare. I love that we're doing this in
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Speaker 1: you're here because you can just yeah. I love that
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Speaker 1: we're just going to get not only a male point
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Speaker 1: of view, but Shane's POV on this. When the news
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Speaker 1: broke about the scandal, no one believed Clayton at first.
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Speaker 1: He was a reality TV star and he was unpopular.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't watch The Bachelor or
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Speaker 1: The Bachelorette, so I don't know if he was I
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Speaker 1: guess he wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Well, was he popular enough to become the bachelor.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but then I think after that it says.
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Speaker 2: Not popular enough for the bachelorette to pick him.
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Speaker 3: I guess not.
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Speaker 1: Clayton found himself trying to prove the truth while trapped
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Speaker 1: in a web of lives, manipulation, and threats. He would
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Speaker 1: soon discover he was not the only one. At its
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Speaker 1: very core, the story is about who you believe and why.
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Speaker 1: It's an epic battle that would take a group of strangers,
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Speaker 1: citizens sluice from around the world to crack the case
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Speaker 1: and finally hold someone accountable. So there are new episodes
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Speaker 1: of his podcast called Love Trapped, and they are released
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Speaker 1: every Thursday. And these episodes started back in February twenty
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Speaker 1: six of twoenty twenty six, so just pretty recently he's
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Speaker 1: been having these episodes come out. The host of the
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Speaker 1: podcast is a Stephanie Young, but it's featuring Clayton Eckerd.
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Speaker 1: And the way I understand it is she is the
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Speaker 1: main host, but she's asking him a lot of questions,
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Speaker 1: and so he's part of every episode, but he's answering
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Speaker 1: in depth questions about what we're about to talk about
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Speaker 1: the podcast, right, all right, let's just before we bring
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Speaker 1: him on and start asking him questions about this case.
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Speaker 1: Let's go through, Let's do a brief timeline and a
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Speaker 1: little brief background on this. So back in twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 1: Clayton Eckerd is chosen to be a contestant on The
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Speaker 1: Bachelorette Season eighteen on ABC. There's a lot of seasons.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like Housewives season twenty Real Housewives of Orange County.
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, after he was eliminated from the Bachelorette,
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Speaker 1: Clayton was chosen to be the star of The Bachelor.
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Speaker 1: So now we get to season twenty six. Fans deemed
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Speaker 1: him one of the worst bachelors in the franchise's history
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Speaker 1: because he told all three of his final contestants that
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Speaker 1: he was in love with him. His number one choice,
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Speaker 1: Susie Evans, ended.
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Speaker 2: Up leaving the show three number one though.
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Speaker 1: I guess he had three number ones, but well, I
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Speaker 1: guess he told all three that he was in love
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Speaker 1: with them. But then I guess maybe he also, well,
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Speaker 1: you can ask him that he's going to come on
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Speaker 1: his number one choice. Susie Evans ended up leaving the
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Speaker 1: show because of this. You know, that's the thing that's
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Speaker 1: when you when you are alone and someone says I
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Speaker 1: love you, I'm in love with you, and then you
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Speaker 1: get to watch the episodes and you also see him
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Speaker 1: saying I love you, I'm in love with you. You
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Speaker 1: know two other weemen. Yeah, you're like, wow, I thought
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Speaker 1: we had a connection.
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Speaker 3: I guess not.
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Speaker 1: So she ended up leaving the show. Clayton sent the
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Speaker 1: other two contestants home after this and left the season
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Speaker 1: without an engagement. You know, I don't know, Maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: he shouldn't be hated because of that, Maybe he should
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Speaker 1: be embraced because he was like, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: go through with this. I'm just going to send everyone home.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, obviously for TV purposes, they're pushing
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Speaker 1: for an engagement at the end. But then we get
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Speaker 1: to May of twenty twenty three, Clayton hooks up with
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Speaker 1: Laura Owens. There you go, here's the true crime.
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Speaker 3: People.
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Speaker 1: If you have been sitting here waiting for the true
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Speaker 1: crime element of this podcast, we are getting there. Laura
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Speaker 1: Owens is the name to remember. So he allegedly hooks
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Speaker 1: up with Laura Owens at his apartment they never had
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Speaker 1: after the show. This is after the show we're in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Now, they never had penetrative sex.
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Speaker 2: Was she on the show?
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Speaker 3: No, she was not on the show.
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Speaker 2: So now this is real world dating.
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Speaker 1: This is real word dating. He's not on the show anymore.
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Speaker 1: He's not the bachelor, he's not in reality TV. Breaks
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Speaker 1: up with the girl.
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Speaker 3: Huh. He's a bachelor, yes, but like a common day.
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Speaker 1: Civil he's Bachelorvilian like he's civilian bachelor.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: So he hooks up with this girl named Laura Owens
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Speaker 1: at his apartment. The way I understood it was that
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Speaker 1: she was reaching out to him. I believe it might
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Speaker 1: have been on LinkedIn or something, and he was involved
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Speaker 1: in real estate.
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Speaker 3: I think he might be a real estate agent or something.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, And I think she was telling him
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Speaker 1: that she had some investment properties that she wanted to see,
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Speaker 1: and so that's how she connected with Yeah.
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Speaker 2: A million bucks.
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Speaker 4: If you look at her background, she's applied for the
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Speaker 4: Bachelor Bachelor hut.
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Speaker 1: So they never had penetrative sex. That's a key piece
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Speaker 1: of evidence. You need to hold onto that. Put that
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Speaker 1: in your mental file. But she gave him oral sex twice.
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Speaker 1: You have no comment. I'm Laura Owens begins.
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Speaker 2: Made buy a home. Laura, I was commissioned.
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Speaker 1: Yeah see, I was waiting, you know, I gave you
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Speaker 1: the pause, all right. Laura Owens begins making claims that
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Speaker 1: she is pregnant with Clayton Eckerd's child. Ten days after this,
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Speaker 1: she sent him a picture of a positive pregnancy test,
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Speaker 1: and later took a pregnancy test at Clayton's home, which
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Speaker 1: also turned out to be positive.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you watched.
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Speaker 1: Her take it, though, I mean you could say you're.
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Speaker 2: But was he drunk? He was he convinced that he does?
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Speaker 2: He does. Someone need to talk to him about how
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Speaker 2: it works. What's going on.
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Speaker 1: When I was researching he's a bachelor, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: When I was researching this, I was wondering the same thing.
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Speaker 1: I was wondering, how if he knew they never had
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Speaker 1: penetrated I've never said this word before. I'm fifty years old.
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Speaker 1: This is the first time I've ever said penetrative sex.
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Speaker 1: But if he knew that they'd never had penetrative sex,
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Speaker 1: and he understands how babies are made, I don't know
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Speaker 1: why he was entertaining anything this woman said anyway, But
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Speaker 1: Clayton did not want to pursue a relationship with her,
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Speaker 1: but she continued to blow up his phone and email
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Speaker 1: trying to convince him otherwise. Eventually, Laura Owens files a
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Speaker 1: lawsuit seeking child support from Clayton Eckert. All right, so
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Speaker 1: six months after she files this, and allegedly still being
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Speaker 1: pregnant this entire time, she drops the child support claim,
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Speaker 1: stating that she had suffered a miscarriage.
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Speaker 2: How could she get Can you get child support before
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Speaker 2: the child's born? Well no, but she was aggressively going
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Speaker 2: after him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she's filing it.
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Speaker 2: There was no baby and there was no miscarriage.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's get to that.
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Speaker 1: Investigators continue reviewing the evidence tied to the alleged false claims.
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Speaker 1: Authorities later say that she altered an ultrasound image and
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Speaker 1: created a fabricated pregnancy video to support the claim. I
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Speaker 1: think I believe she found a pregnancy video on YouTube
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Speaker 1: and showed him like that, like that was.
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Speaker 2: The video of the It would be hard these days
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Speaker 2: to do anything, no.
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Speaker 1: With AI and all the videos out there, I just
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Speaker 1: you just.
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Speaker 2: Go on Instagram, find someone's gender reveal, and you know,
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Speaker 2: screenshot their alteras did.
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Speaker 1: You see that article. It's always on Facebook. Facebook has
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Speaker 1: the worst AI generated articles.
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Speaker 3: There was the the.
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Speaker 2: Artist Funny is you have an opinion on which social
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Speaker 2: media source?
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Speaker 1: Facebook is the worst?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 1: I'm serious, Yes, Facebook is by far the worst. Anytime
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Speaker 1: I scoll Facebook, there's so many AI generated fake articles.
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Speaker 1: And there was the one about Gena and Travis and
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Speaker 1: it showed them holding a picture of an ultrasound And
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Speaker 1: have you seen that one?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: That's why.
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Speaker 1: That just made me think of like how easy it
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Speaker 1: is to generate images. Were they happy? I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I'll ask her.
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Speaker 1: I think she was very excited about it.
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Speaker 2: You're very interested in is dating life?
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Speaker 3: I am.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors also allege that she lied multiple times under oath
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Speaker 1: about the pregnancy. So then in June of twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: she's actually indicted as seventh count indictment is issued against
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Speaker 1: Laura Owens and Maricopa County Arizona, and prosecutors accuse her
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Speaker 1: of false testimony and fabricating evidence related to the pregnancy claim.
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Speaker 1: After this indictment is announced, Clayton posts a video statement
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Speaker 1: saying the legal battle lasted two years and that he
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Speaker 1: feels relieved that the matter is resolved, Layton maintains he
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Speaker 1: is he was never in a relationship with Laura Owens.
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Speaker 1: So all right, that's a little background, a little bio,
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Speaker 1: a little timeline on this, so that our listeners have
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Speaker 1: some background. And now Clayton is here, so let's bring
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Speaker 1: him on and start asking him these questions. Let's get
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Speaker 1: more in depth in this. Hi, Clayton, how.
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Speaker 3: Are you great?
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Speaker 5: You don good?
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on legally Brunette today.
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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. I will tell you I took
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Speaker 1: a little deep dive into your case when you were
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Speaker 1: going to come on previously, and I was I was
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Speaker 1: baffled by the links that this woman went to. But
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna let you tell your story.
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Speaker 1: I'm baffled by it, but I'm interested in hearing your
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Speaker 1: side and your takeaway from everything. So I know that
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Speaker 1: you've come out with this new podcast called Love Trapped
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Speaker 1: and it's your side of the story. And I also
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Speaker 1: heard that you were hesitant to do this podcast at first.
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Speaker 1: How do you feel about that?
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Speaker 3: Now?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm very grateful that I decided to
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Speaker 5: go for it. My hesitancy lied and the impact that
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Speaker 5: it could make, because for me, it was a matter of, hey,
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Speaker 5: I won over the court of public opinion, and I
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Speaker 5: won in court as well, the majority of it. At
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Speaker 5: this point, I'm not fighting her any longer. It's more
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Speaker 5: the county attorney is. But I was weighing like, hey,
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Speaker 5: is it worth me, you know, rehashing all this all
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Speaker 5: over again. I mean, it's going to bring a new
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Speaker 5: news cycle. It's kind of put things back on the
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Speaker 5: top of Google Search. So when you google my name,
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Speaker 5: this is going to be the stuff that comes up.
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Speaker 5: You know. I had away those options because professionally, if
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Speaker 5: somebody googles my name, you know, this is what's going
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Speaker 5: to be the first thing to pop up. So I
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Speaker 5: wasn't too enthusiastic about the podcast because I just felt
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Speaker 5: that it wasn't going to do much. Was my thought
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Speaker 5: for me or just really for moving the needle for
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Speaker 5: the other victims. I felt like we were on the
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Speaker 5: right track, so I didn't think a podcast was going
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Speaker 5: to add anything additional. It's performed extremely well, so it
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Speaker 5: has gotten a lot of new eyes of a new
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Speaker 5: audience on it, and it's been it's been told the
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Speaker 5: right way, and that was my biggest concern was basically
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Speaker 5: giving my story to editors once again and producers and saying, hey,
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Speaker 5: I got issues trusting you all. Nonetheless, I don't want
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Speaker 5: to believe you're all the same. So if you can
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Speaker 5: tell this story as it is, both the good and
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Speaker 5: the bad. I'm not asking to be portrayed as a saint.
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Speaker 5: I just want to be portrayed as I am. If
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Speaker 5: you guys can do this, i'd be great. And they did.
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Speaker 5: They've they've They've told it in a way that I
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Speaker 5: feel as unbiased as it can be. So it's really
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Speaker 5: helped out with uh, with portraying me in a more
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Speaker 5: fuller light. I think reality television I can only show
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Speaker 5: so much, so I really do feel like this has
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Speaker 5: helped capture more of who I am.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, I've been on reality TV for a
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Speaker 1: long time as well, and sometimes I feel like it
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Speaker 1: it only shows you in a very one dimensional light.
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Speaker 1: You know, they pick and choose what they want to show. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: there's a myriad of things and complexities about all of
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Speaker 1: us and it doesn't always end up on screen. But
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Speaker 1: you know, I was told with your podcast that it's
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Speaker 1: very well done, because it's more in depth than like
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Speaker 1: a regular podcast that it's almost like documentary style that
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Speaker 1: you're actually pulling in, like your lawyer comes on and
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Speaker 1: they're pulling in like emails you've had with this woman,
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Speaker 1: and so you're bringing not only just your thoughts and
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Speaker 1: opinions on things, but you're actually pulling in a lot
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Speaker 1: of evidence as well as part of the podcast. And
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Speaker 1: that's really interesting that you've done that. Was that your
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Speaker 1: idea or was that just something that just kind of
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Speaker 1: evolved over the conversations about it?
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Speaker 5: Now? That was with Glass When they approached me as
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Speaker 5: a production company, they said, hey, we want to do
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Speaker 5: a podcast. The goal would be to obviously be able
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Speaker 5: to segue this into a documentary. I told them, well, hey,
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Speaker 5: look like for me for it to be worth my
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Speaker 5: time and for it to move the needle, I only
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Speaker 5: really want to do a documentary. I'm not too excited
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Speaker 5: about the podcast. They said, well, hey, look we do
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Speaker 5: this differently. Here's an example of like our podcast or
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Speaker 5: one that we've done, so take a listen to it.
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Speaker 5: I listened to that and I was like, I remember
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Speaker 5: I turned it on and the setting was like in
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Speaker 5: a city somewhere and you heard the car horns beeping
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Speaker 5: and people talking on walking on the streets, and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 5: I was like, this is storytelling. This isn't a podcast.
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Speaker 5: So that's why I went back with them too. I said, hey,
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Speaker 5: look like, oh, this is more like a storytelling podcast.
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Speaker 5: So like, yeah, no, no, this isn't a sit down
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Speaker 5: you know it really we really this is the way
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Speaker 5: that we do our podcast. So there it was their idea.
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Speaker 5: And then Stephanie Young she was hired on as the
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Speaker 5: producer and she's just done such an incredible job. The
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Speaker 5: reason why it's it's just so well put together is
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Speaker 5: because of how much she cares. She without saying too much. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: she's been in the business for quite some time, and
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Speaker 5: I think she's got a little bit chip on her shoulder.
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Speaker 5: You know, she's been ready for to be able to
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Speaker 5: produce something and show people her talents. So she leaned
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Speaker 5: into all of this. She's interviewed me for thirty hours alone,
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Speaker 5: like just me and I'm just part of the equation.
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Speaker 5: So she's been calling me some nights at nine o'clock.
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Speaker 5: I mean, she doesn't stop working. And that's what was
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Speaker 5: needed because this story is so convoluted. So I told
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Speaker 5: her when she got into it, I said, look, I
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Speaker 5: don't you're gonna have to dive deep, like this isn't
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Speaker 5: just like a scratch the surface. You won't do the
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Speaker 5: story justice if you do it that way. She took
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Speaker 5: that on as a challenge, and she has become nearly
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Speaker 5: obsessed with telling the story. Healthy obsession. But it's it's
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Speaker 5: been it's been incredible. I mean, she's she's the reason
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Speaker 5: why it's doing so well.
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Speaker 1: That's great. You know, you talked about storytelling, So why
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Speaker 1: don't we go back a little bit, just for the
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Speaker 1: listeners that we have. We did a little brief overview
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Speaker 1: of like what it is that you've gone through, but
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Speaker 1: it was very brief before we brought you on, why
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Speaker 1: don't we go back, and just as as much as
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Speaker 1: you want to get into, why don't we tell the story?
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Speaker 1: Like how did she initially reach out to you? Let's
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Speaker 1: just give our listeners a little bit of from your perspective.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll try to do the thirty thousand foot view
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Speaker 5: and just yeah, sorry, I'll just give you the basics.
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Speaker 5: But essentially, she reached out to me on LinkedIn. I
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Speaker 5: just got my real estate license. She said that she
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Speaker 5: was looking to buy multiple investment properties, so I fed
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Speaker 5: her my contact information. She started texting me. She was
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Speaker 5: flirty out the gate wasn't anything I wasn't used to it.
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Speaker 5: I was like, that's fine, as long as she's going
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Speaker 5: to buy property. I don't care if it was a
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Speaker 5: little bit of like flirtatious. You knowness, it doesn't matter
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Speaker 5: to me. That led to then one night I had
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Speaker 5: taken an edible. I was dealing with some stuff, you know,
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Speaker 5: from the reality TV show, seeing an ex girlfriend, and
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Speaker 5: I was using marijuana to cope in that environment. That night,
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Speaker 5: she sent me a provocative video photo. I think it
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Speaker 5: was a video, but it was not that provocative. But
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Speaker 5: in that state of mind, it, you know, a male's
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Speaker 5: mind goes a long way. I basically told her to
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Speaker 5: come over. She came over, We hooked up, We didn't
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Speaker 5: have sex. She performed oral twice and then eleven days
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Speaker 5: later she claimed she was pregnant. How does that happen?
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Speaker 5: I thought that she potentially ran to the bathroom. This
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Speaker 5: is because she did. She ran to the bathroom the
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Speaker 5: second time that she performed oral. I thought she might
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Speaker 5: have spit it in her hand shoved it up or
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Speaker 5: Google said that there was a small percentage chance if
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Speaker 5: transferred quick enough, that you could be become pregnant that way.
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Speaker 5: So while I knew we didn't have sex, I thought
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Speaker 5: she transferred my fluids fast enough and she trapped me.
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Speaker 5: And that's why, you know, the podcast is called Love
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Speaker 5: Trapped because of the term trapping. I don't think most
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Speaker 5: people know that term, are aware of it. I first
18:01
Speaker 5: became aware of it in college when I played football
18:05
Speaker 5: at Miszoo. It's the idea of somebody basically latching on
18:10
Speaker 5: to an individual that has success or fame or money,
18:12
Speaker 5: whatever it might be, and they basically trap them by
18:16
Speaker 5: latching onto them by you know, whether it's they get pregnant.
18:19
Speaker 5: So then they say, oh, hey, like now I'm going
18:22
Speaker 5: to be able to live this lifestyle along with you
18:23
Speaker 5: because you're about to get drafted in the NFL, or
18:27
Speaker 5: they have fame, and so they want to be adjacent
18:28
Speaker 5: to them. So that's where the title came from. I
18:33
Speaker 5: was the the you know, the trapping terminology, and I thought,
18:39
Speaker 5: that's what she did obviously against my will. I didn't
18:41
Speaker 5: want to have a child with her. She essentially said
18:46
Speaker 5: if you date me, I will have an abortion. If
18:48
Speaker 5: you don't date me, I'll have the children. You know.
18:51
Speaker 5: I told her that I'm not going to date her.
18:53
Speaker 5: She can do whatever she wants. And then she decided,
18:56
Speaker 5: when you know, I wasn't playing her game, that she
18:59
Speaker 5: would raised the standards or raised the stakes, And so
19:04
Speaker 5: she took it public first, anonymously. I guess she always
19:07
Speaker 5: took it anonymously, but she took it anonymously. The only
19:11
Speaker 5: thing she didn't realize with the power of the internet.
19:13
Speaker 5: She was posting stuff online and we had a public
19:17
Speaker 5: court case that she had opened up before she went
19:19
Speaker 5: public by serving me paternity papers, which she had police
19:23
Speaker 5: officers served to me at my house. That opened a
19:27
Speaker 5: court case. The whole thing she was trying to do
19:29
Speaker 5: is just get me to talk to her and interact
19:31
Speaker 5: and basically state in my life so that I could
19:33
Speaker 5: not avoid her. Even when I blocked her phone numbers
19:35
Speaker 5: or emails, she was still trying to find a way
19:38
Speaker 5: to antagonize me. Well, because that was a public court case,
19:41
Speaker 5: I had went online and essentially said out loud, hey,
19:44
Speaker 5: I have an active court case against this individual, and
19:48
Speaker 5: the Internet salutes, you know, within seconds, ran found it
19:52
Speaker 5: found her name, and that made everything public. So from
19:56
Speaker 5: there it was just a matter of getting her to
19:58
Speaker 5: prove that she was ever pregnant. She never could. She had,
20:03
Speaker 5: you know, thirteen different doctors or so that she claimed
20:06
Speaker 5: she saw. They said they've never had any record of
20:08
Speaker 5: her outside of her scheduling exams and never actually showing up.
20:13
Speaker 5: And so yeah, from there, I mean, we found out
20:16
Speaker 5: when she went public there was multiple other victims we
20:20
Speaker 5: know at this point. I mean, there's two others that
20:23
Speaker 5: are public alongside me, but there's two others beyond that
20:27
Speaker 5: that just don't want to come forward at this time.
20:31
Speaker 5: And we've heard there's multiple other victims as well that
20:34
Speaker 5: maybe weren't exactly you know, she didn't she didn't state
20:37
Speaker 5: she was pregnant by them, but she's antagonized other people.
20:40
Speaker 5: She's very litigious, and so yeah, so that's where we're
20:43
Speaker 5: at today. We won in court a year ago to
20:46
Speaker 5: prove that she wasn't pregnant, and then now we what
20:50
Speaker 5: we have coming up is the county attorney is prosecuting her.
20:53
Speaker 5: At the end of July.
20:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did read that the that the DA then
20:58
Speaker 1: sent like all her or were latched onto it as
21:02
Speaker 1: far as just prosecuting her, beyond you and your lawsuit
21:06
Speaker 1: with her. Was it the internet sluice online that found
21:11
Speaker 1: the other victims, because you know, the internet can I
21:14
Speaker 1: always called the Internet a double edged sword. You know,
21:16
Speaker 1: if they hate you, it's awful, But if they love
21:18
Speaker 1: you and they're trying to protect you, they can really
21:21
Speaker 1: like they can work magic. So was that helpful to
21:24
Speaker 1: have that many people invested. I'm sure you know they
21:27
Speaker 1: probably came up with a lot of information.
21:29
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, they did. You know. The best thing was,
21:32
Speaker 5: is well answer your question, No, they didn't. They well,
21:34
Speaker 5: they uncovered a couple guys, but they they chose not
21:37
Speaker 5: to Like, those are the guys that are still private.
21:39
Speaker 5: So those names were fed to like me and some
21:42
Speaker 5: other people in my camp, but we out of respect.
21:45
Speaker 5: It's like, hey, they don't want to be public. So
21:47
Speaker 5: those names that never leaked, which I also think is incredible.
21:50
Speaker 5: You know, this was a very supportive community that's like, hey,
21:52
Speaker 5: we'll support you if you want support, if not, if
21:55
Speaker 5: you want to be left alone, we'll leave you alone.
21:57
Speaker 5: I found out about the other victims because I went
21:59
Speaker 5: in who when she went public, I was reached out
22:02
Speaker 5: to by the previous victims. Then girlfriend at the time
22:05
Speaker 5: now wife. But she reached out to me and said, hey,
22:07
Speaker 5: you're not alone. You need to look and this, you know,
22:09
Speaker 5: look at this, look up this court case and the system.
22:12
Speaker 5: So I went in the next day and pulled it up.
22:14
Speaker 5: Sure enough, it was like a carbon copy of what
22:17
Speaker 5: I was going through. And then when I was in
22:18
Speaker 5: those documents, I saw another name of a previous victim.
22:21
Speaker 5: So then I was like, oh my gosh, there's two more.
22:23
Speaker 5: I then reached out to the previous victim. We hopped
22:26
Speaker 5: on the phone. He said, yes, you know, there was
22:27
Speaker 5: a previous victim as well that I'm aware of, and
22:32
Speaker 5: so that's that's where I found out about the previous guys.
22:35
Speaker 5: That being said, the greatest thing that the Internet salutes
22:40
Speaker 5: provide is constant surveillance on her. She doesn't have a job,
22:45
Speaker 5: so she doesn't This is what she does full time.
22:47
Speaker 5: She antagonizes men and tries to destroy them, and her
22:50
Speaker 5: family is, you know, complicit in her behavior. They basically
22:54
Speaker 5: fund her antics by allowing her to stay in their
22:57
Speaker 5: guest home, and her mom helps her and her whole
22:59
Speaker 5: family is just bad people. So they the problem was
23:04
Speaker 5: is that she'd be, you know, slugging her energy drinks,
23:07
Speaker 5: you know, doing this stuff twenty four to seven, and
23:10
Speaker 5: I couldn't. I had a job, I have a life,
23:12
Speaker 5: you know, I multiple things am I going on in
23:14
Speaker 5: my life, So I couldn't keep up with her antics.
23:17
Speaker 5: But once the Internet got involved, I mean they're picking
23:19
Speaker 5: apart every single thing that she was putting out there.
23:22
Speaker 5: Because she was using Reddit at first to funnel her
23:24
Speaker 5: side of the story. But like, for example, she tried
23:27
Speaker 5: to do a name change, they caught it within the
23:29
Speaker 5: same day, so she was trying to cover up her
23:31
Speaker 5: tracks change her name. They caught her right away. They've
23:35
Speaker 5: obviously then collected all of her all of her statements,
23:39
Speaker 5: and anytime she says something that's that contradicts something from earlier,
23:43
Speaker 5: they'll highlight it, they'll post it online. So they've caught
23:46
Speaker 5: her on all of her bs and a lot of
23:48
Speaker 5: that information was then fed to the prosecution or even
23:52
Speaker 5: my lawyer at the time. I mean, this was just
23:53
Speaker 5: like information constantly being gathered and it really just made
23:58
Speaker 5: for simplicity. It's like it's informations provide my lawyers. My
24:02
Speaker 5: lawyers take it and slam dunk it.
24:04
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you the other men that she
24:06
Speaker 1: also did this too, were they public figures? Are you
24:08
Speaker 1: the first public figure that she's done this too?
24:11
Speaker 5: The other are two that are public are not public figures,
24:16
Speaker 5: so they're the ones that were aware of the ones
24:18
Speaker 5: that they have names have been leaked out. But the
24:21
Speaker 5: other two guys, now they're both like private individuals as well.
24:26
Speaker 5: So I was the first person, yeah, that had I
24:29
Speaker 5: guess was deemed a public.
24:40
Speaker 1: You know, when I think about it, the way I
24:42
Speaker 1: look at it, I feel like she got a lot
24:43
Speaker 1: of practice on some other men and she wasn't and
24:47
Speaker 1: she you know, she got away with it, right, It's
24:49
Speaker 1: not like there was any repercussions of anything that was
24:51
Speaker 1: she was doing. And I felt like she was very
24:54
Speaker 1: well practiced in what she was doing. And then, you know,
24:57
Speaker 1: you're a public figure. She was obviously had some kind
24:59
Speaker 1: of obsession and with you, and then she utilizes those
25:02
Speaker 1: same tactics on you. Do you I mean I would assume,
25:07
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you regret being on the Bachelor?
25:10
Speaker 3: Do you regret being the Bachelor?
25:11
Speaker 1: Or do you just regret saying yeah, come over that
25:16
Speaker 1: that's all.
25:16
Speaker 5: I don't actually regret any of it, not even like
25:19
Speaker 5: having her come to my place. And the reason for
25:21
Speaker 5: that is because ultimately like to be able to and
25:26
Speaker 5: still hope back in the previous victims, I mean, for
25:29
Speaker 5: them to say like, hey, for the first time, I
25:30
Speaker 5: actually feel like this may be over, because they've been
25:34
Speaker 5: fighting with her since you know, the first victim since
25:37
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, you're talking ten years. Yeah, she's just constantly
25:41
Speaker 5: reinstating restraining orders and sending letters and phantom phone calls
25:46
Speaker 5: and we get these random text messages that we can't
25:49
Speaker 5: prove her, but like it's definitely her because I'm getting
25:51
Speaker 5: the sort of the previous victims, and so she's just
25:56
Speaker 5: never willing to just go away. And so for me,
26:00
Speaker 5: you know, it's been so worth it to be able
26:04
Speaker 5: to like really feel that from the previous victims of like, oh,
26:07
Speaker 5: I've been able to help reinstill some hope. And it's
26:10
Speaker 5: also just allowed for other people that have went through
26:12
Speaker 5: something similar to band together the community. The Justice for
26:19
Speaker 5: Clayton is the name of it. You know, people said, hey,
26:21
Speaker 5: should we make it something different? I was like, look,
26:23
Speaker 5: I wouldn't. It's become bigger than me. I mean, I
26:26
Speaker 5: guess for the sake of simplicity, just keep it what
26:28
Speaker 5: was originally named. But what's really cool about it is
26:31
Speaker 5: how it's brought people from all different walks of life
26:33
Speaker 5: together that have experienced all different types of trauma. The
26:36
Speaker 5: biggest mistake Laura made was she fabricated a bunch of
26:40
Speaker 5: claims that were really severe and that people have actually experienced.
26:44
Speaker 5: So she hasn't, but they have, you know, so abortion
26:47
Speaker 5: and rape and what else like pregnancy loss and cancer,
26:53
Speaker 5: and she's she's claimed all of these things. And what
26:55
Speaker 5: she did was she was pushing people's buttons, you know.
26:58
Speaker 5: So every time she would claim something news, someone would
27:01
Speaker 5: come in and say, you know, I actually went through
27:02
Speaker 5: a domestic abuse right, and this pisses me off. You know,
27:05
Speaker 5: I don't want someone to be able to get away
27:07
Speaker 5: with this because she has no idea what it's like
27:09
Speaker 5: to go through this. So because she was pushing all
27:11
Speaker 5: these hot buttons, she just basically got everyone to come
27:15
Speaker 5: together and fight against her and fight against evil, which
27:17
Speaker 5: is what she is and what her family is. And
27:19
Speaker 5: they've never had accountability because they're this wealthy family from
27:22
Speaker 5: San Francisco that's always been able to pay their way
27:24
Speaker 5: or influence their way out of stuff, and so someone
27:26
Speaker 5: that's never faced accountability, you know, this is what comes
27:30
Speaker 5: of them. And so it's just it's been incredible with
27:35
Speaker 5: all the support, but it's and I don't regret any
27:38
Speaker 5: of it because for me, it was all for a
27:39
Speaker 5: bigger purpose.
27:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I expected you to say, yes, I
27:43
Speaker 1: wish this woman never came into my life. That would
27:46
Speaker 1: be a logical answer, I would think. But I love
27:49
Speaker 1: that you said no that I feel like this was
27:51
Speaker 1: It's almost like you were a vigilante in this, like
27:53
Speaker 1: this was the only way this woman would ever be
27:56
Speaker 1: brought down is by you being in the position that
27:58
Speaker 1: you're in, and you being a public figure and allowing
28:00
Speaker 1: the Internet to be involved in it and social media
28:03
Speaker 1: and all the things. And it brought such a huge
28:05
Speaker 1: highlight to it. If she would have done this again
28:07
Speaker 1: to just your regular civilian guy, she would have just
28:10
Speaker 1: kept doing it over and over and over.
28:13
Speaker 3: But the fact that she.
28:15
Speaker 1: Did this to you has brought such an awareness to
28:18
Speaker 1: it and such a public following of it that I
28:21
Speaker 1: think this will probably be the first time that she
28:22
Speaker 1: ever has to actually answer or be accountable for any
28:25
Speaker 1: of it. So I love that you're saying, I don't
28:28
Speaker 1: regret it because I feel like this is the only
28:31
Speaker 1: opportunity that you and the other victims would have to
28:33
Speaker 1: actually bring her down and make her accountable for once.
28:36
Speaker 4: Well, I think it would have put a stop to her,
28:38
Speaker 4: right because now if she were to have another victim
28:41
Speaker 4: following you, she has a history and people will see
28:45
Speaker 4: where it's going.
28:46
Speaker 2: So she's kind of been outed by you.
28:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she went back on dating apps. I mean,
28:52
Speaker 5: while she was still being looked at by prosecution. She's
28:57
Speaker 5: not stopping. So she's still, even with all of this heat,
29:00
Speaker 5: is still back on dating apps and looking for her
29:02
Speaker 5: next victim. So the only way to stop her is
29:05
Speaker 5: to put her behind bars, and that's what she's facing
29:07
Speaker 5: at this point, is the fourteen felony charges. Doesn't she
29:11
Speaker 5: was offered a plea deal, it doesn't seem like she's
29:13
Speaker 5: going to take one. So it looks like she's gonna
29:14
Speaker 5: fight this all the way to court, which is fine.
29:16
Speaker 5: I'll testify against her and at the end of July
29:18
Speaker 5: as well the previous victims. But yeah, I mean, she
29:22
Speaker 5: was going to keep going and ultimately, like what this
29:26
Speaker 5: also helped accomplish, Like I know that if somebody might
29:30
Speaker 5: go like, he probably doesn't want this stain on his record.
29:33
Speaker 5: But I honestly have seen this as a more of
29:36
Speaker 5: more and more of a positive thing because I really
29:40
Speaker 5: pushed for authenticity and I wasn't you know, I wasn't
29:43
Speaker 5: able to fully be myself on The Bachelor. I was
29:45
Speaker 5: holding back. I was being something I thought society wanted
29:47
Speaker 5: me to be, not being actually who I was, you know.
29:50
Speaker 5: And so I but I've always been, you know, trying
29:53
Speaker 5: to show people like hey, put you know, don't put
29:55
Speaker 5: me in a pedestal, don't kick me in the corner,
29:56
Speaker 5: like put me somewhere in the middle, like see me
29:58
Speaker 5: as I am. That's what this podcast has accomplished. It's
30:02
Speaker 5: like like I said, I told the producers, I said,
30:04
Speaker 5: you don't need to make me a saint. I'm not one.
30:06
Speaker 5: I never claimed to be one. But also like this
30:08
Speaker 5: monster that people claim that I was when The Bachelor
30:11
Speaker 5: is absolutely ridiculous. Like I'm not a monster, you know,
30:14
Speaker 5: but I want people to just to like see like that, hey,
30:15
Speaker 5: I'm not well, I don't not going to hide what
30:17
Speaker 5: I am. I am what I am, And I think
30:18
Speaker 5: if we're all just a little bit more honest and transparent,
30:20
Speaker 5: like you know how far that can go? And that's
30:23
Speaker 5: what I've seen from the feedback on you know, the
30:25
Speaker 5: podcast is like people like it's refreshing that he's just
30:27
Speaker 5: an open book, and I'm like, look like, this is
30:29
Speaker 5: what I'm trying to spread, is like we don't need
30:31
Speaker 5: to be perfect. There's this like belief now that everybody
30:34
Speaker 5: we watch on TV, like you have to uphold this image.
30:37
Speaker 5: There's that pressure by contestants I go on TV, I
30:39
Speaker 5: have to be presented this way. I have to be
30:41
Speaker 5: this saint, and it's like it's not real. It's just
30:44
Speaker 5: not real, you know, And so I think like it's
30:46
Speaker 5: in a way this is also helped out in that
30:48
Speaker 5: regard because people are like, yeah, I mean, look, he
30:50
Speaker 5: owns up to it, you know. And I'm like, I
30:53
Speaker 5: had her over. If she wasn't crazy, I would have
30:56
Speaker 5: never regretted it anyways, right, Like I don't regret it still,
30:59
Speaker 5: But it's like, all I did was hook up with
31:01
Speaker 5: a girl. I didn't do any I didn't commit a crime.
31:03
Speaker 5: So anybody that tries to victim blame me, it's like
31:06
Speaker 5: what do You're just you're just projecting because I didn't
31:08
Speaker 5: do anything that any other thirty two year old male
31:10
Speaker 5: you know hasn't done.
31:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
31:13
Speaker 1: Now, when you talk about that night that you hooked
31:14
Speaker 1: up and she came over and I know that you
31:16
Speaker 1: didn't have sex with her, was that intentional? Because we
31:19
Speaker 1: were having a conversation about the whole trap thing, and
31:21
Speaker 1: I know that you had played professional football, so you
31:23
Speaker 1: were you were out there, you were in that you know,
31:25
Speaker 1: environment with the women, and what do they call them,
31:28
Speaker 1: hope pros?
31:28
Speaker 3: She was a hope pro You never heard that before.
31:33
Speaker 5: I heard a jersey chaser is what we called.
31:35
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've heard hope pros. So I was was
31:38
Speaker 1: that like an intentional choice that night? Because you're like,
31:41
Speaker 1: I am who I am?
31:42
Speaker 3: So no, that's what.
31:44
Speaker 5: That's what's That's what spun me out a little bit
31:46
Speaker 5: when it didn't make sense. Was I was willing to
31:48
Speaker 5: have sex with her that night and she wasn't. She said,
31:52
Speaker 5: you know, hey, I'm not. I don't want to have
31:53
Speaker 5: sex like you know, you got to work for it
31:56
Speaker 5: and something along those lines. So I was like, I.
31:58
Speaker 2: Gonna get pregnant. Yeah, yeah, But that was the thing.
32:02
Speaker 5: Was like I obviously was like wait, and she even
32:04
Speaker 5: brought that up to me. She's like, if I wanted
32:05
Speaker 5: to get pregnant by you, I would have sex with you.
32:07
Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, that's a good point. So
32:09
Speaker 5: I was thrown off. But what I the conclusion I
32:11
Speaker 5: came to was she I think was surprised that I, well,
32:15
Speaker 5: she was surprised. I could tell by her demeanor. She
32:17
Speaker 5: was surprised that I invited her over. And then when
32:20
Speaker 5: she came over, like we had, you know before we
32:22
Speaker 5: hooked up, like we were talking about mental health and
32:24
Speaker 5: we're having these deep discussions, and I think what happened
32:27
Speaker 5: was she said, oh, like, actually, there's a lot of
32:29
Speaker 5: chemistry here and this could potentially work. It we could date.
32:32
Speaker 5: And so for her then it shifted into it instead
32:34
Speaker 5: of just hooking up with this guy, like we could
32:36
Speaker 5: potentially date, I'm not going to give it all up
32:38
Speaker 5: to him in one night. So that's why she held off,
32:42
Speaker 5: in my opinion, And then the next day when I
32:44
Speaker 5: abruptly cut it off and was like, hey, that was
32:47
Speaker 5: a mistake. I crossed professional boundaries. I don't want to
32:49
Speaker 5: continue in anything with you in that capacity. I'm willing
32:53
Speaker 5: to pass you off to another agent, but like for me,
32:55
Speaker 5: I want to keep it just professional from here on out.
32:58
Speaker 5: And she proceeded to cry and was like, I thought
33:00
Speaker 5: we had something special and like you I've never you know,
33:02
Speaker 5: I can help you out become the person that you
33:04
Speaker 5: want to be, and like we just have so much
33:05
Speaker 5: you know that we've lived through similar experiences. And you
33:09
Speaker 5: know that was when I was like, oh, shoot, this
33:11
Speaker 5: is this is weird. You know, like I met this
33:13
Speaker 5: girl and she's crying, bawling her eyes out, But yeah,
33:16
Speaker 5: I think that's that's why she was. She was like, oh,
33:19
Speaker 5: I think I might able to date this guy, so
33:21
Speaker 5: she decided to not give it all up in one night.
33:25
Speaker 1: But let me ask you something about that. If she
33:27
Speaker 1: is if you're having conversations and she's willing to admit
33:30
Speaker 1: that you didn't have sex, and you're talking about how
33:33
Speaker 1: she didn't want to have sex that night because she
33:34
Speaker 1: felt like there was going to be some potential for
33:36
Speaker 1: a long term relationship, then when she's presenting you with
33:39
Speaker 1: like a pregnancy test and telling you she's pregnant, did
33:42
Speaker 1: she explain to you how that happened?
33:44
Speaker 2: Then? I mean, well, did you push back on how
33:47
Speaker 2: did you become pregnant.
33:47
Speaker 5: Then she yeah, yeah, I mean at first I just
33:49
Speaker 5: told her to like piss off. I mean I didn't
33:51
Speaker 5: say that exactly, but I was just like, I was like,
33:53
Speaker 5: you're ridiculous. We didn't have sex, But she first texted
33:57
Speaker 5: me and said, you know, that night I went back
33:59
Speaker 5: to that I hadn't played and played it all out,
34:02
Speaker 5: and I remember when I went to the bathroom, I
34:04
Speaker 5: felt some of your fluids down there. She's like, so
34:06
Speaker 5: when we were grinding on each other, you know, you
34:09
Speaker 5: had pre came. And I was like, that's not true.
34:11
Speaker 5: You know, I was like, I can, I can, I wasn't.
34:13
Speaker 5: I told her. I was like, to be honesty that
34:14
Speaker 5: I was not that excited. Oh and so I said like,
34:17
Speaker 5: that's that's not that's not the case. She's like, no,
34:19
Speaker 5: you had fluid down there, And she went online at
34:22
Speaker 5: one point was like he doesn't remember because he was
34:24
Speaker 5: super high. Then people was like like, wait, so he
34:26
Speaker 5: was too high to consent, So now you've you know,
34:29
Speaker 5: they were obviously like they were walking down that path,
34:31
Speaker 5: and she back was like, no, I was high too,
34:32
Speaker 5: and I don't remember. So she was just going back
34:35
Speaker 5: on her stories. But she claimed that when we were grinding.
34:38
Speaker 5: That's when the fluid entered her.
34:41
Speaker 1: Okay, so she did have some type of explamation explanation
34:45
Speaker 1: that she gave you as to how it potentially happened.
34:47
Speaker 5: So yeah, and then you know, but then she said,
34:50
Speaker 5: you know, one of the emails that I was gotten
34:51
Speaker 5: out that I mean blew people away, was she was
34:53
Speaker 5: trying to turn me on through an email to get
34:57
Speaker 5: me to like she's like, we should eight for a week,
35:01
Speaker 5: and she's like, you know, maybe you would believe that
35:04
Speaker 5: I hadn't had sex in a year if you felt
35:05
Speaker 5: how tight I was, and you know, so she had
35:09
Speaker 5: given away at that point, was like, wow, well so
35:10
Speaker 5: you're saying I haven't felt it, but once I feel it,
35:13
Speaker 5: then I would know. So you just basically admitted that
35:16
Speaker 5: I've never been inside you because if I felt this,
35:19
Speaker 5: you would if tight you were. So she just kept,
35:22
Speaker 5: you know, tripping over herself, you know, trying to you know,
35:26
Speaker 5: trying to stay on top of her lies. But at
35:28
Speaker 5: this point, I mean, I just it blows my mind.
35:30
Speaker 5: I Mean, she gets caught in lie after lie after lies.
35:32
Speaker 5: She's now in bankruptcy court. She's and she just like
35:35
Speaker 5: she's getting caught and lies there too, which that might
35:38
Speaker 5: be a bigger downfall for her.
35:41
Speaker 1: So so she is so you're saying you don't think
35:44
Speaker 1: she's going to take a plea deal. So she's actually
35:46
Speaker 1: slated to go to trial in May?
35:49
Speaker 3: Is that what you said?
35:50
Speaker 5: Yeah? And and my I'm still trying to get more
35:53
Speaker 5: information on it. But there's something happening on April ninth,
35:55
Speaker 5: and I as a victim, I'm able to be heard.
35:59
Speaker 5: So if I was told if there is a plea
36:02
Speaker 5: deal offered, or if there is like a negotiation, that
36:05
Speaker 5: I will be able to be present and offer my opinion,
36:07
Speaker 5: which I will absolutely do because I'll just put it
36:11
Speaker 5: this way. I'm not supposed to talk about the plea deal.
36:13
Speaker 5: I was advised not to if I'm older, but I'm not.
36:17
Speaker 5: I'm not really like enthusiastic about what was offered. It's
36:20
Speaker 5: it's not the worst thing. It's there's accountability, but it's
36:23
Speaker 5: not to the degree that I wanted.
36:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I know. So when she first started to
36:37
Speaker 1: go public, was the public opinion was against you?
36:40
Speaker 3: Correct?
36:40
Speaker 1: And people I think people really believed her. What was
36:43
Speaker 1: the turning point where people started to really catch on
36:46
Speaker 1: and think this this girl's you know, lying about all this.
36:50
Speaker 5: I mean, for me, I felt like I go back
36:53
Speaker 5: and I read the you know, I or I see
36:55
Speaker 5: people talking like you know, we we we realized she
36:58
Speaker 5: was lying right away. But I'm like, yo, okay, maybe
37:00
Speaker 5: a few of you, but the mass majority did not
37:03
Speaker 5: believe me until I had came back with the paternity
37:08
Speaker 5: test results. Like when I posted that online, well, I
37:12
Speaker 5: guess I should say no, there was a pretty big
37:15
Speaker 5: switch once she went public, and then I posted that
37:18
Speaker 5: there were other victims like that. That was a big
37:21
Speaker 5: turning point. Right when it went public. I posted on
37:24
Speaker 5: my story. That shifted a lot of people, and that
37:27
Speaker 5: actually probably was the turning point now that I think
37:29
Speaker 5: back at it, because it was like, oh wait, there
37:31
Speaker 5: are other victims. And then that information got online and
37:33
Speaker 5: people are like, okay, well, you know, you get pregnant
37:36
Speaker 5: by a guy accidentally. Okay, we could believe that. But
37:38
Speaker 5: now a sudden, there's three and story.
37:41
Speaker 1: This isn't adding up right, So you ended up How
37:44
Speaker 1: did you take a paternity test?
37:47
Speaker 5: I just submitted by my DNA If I remember correctly,
37:50
Speaker 5: I think.
37:51
Speaker 1: I But what were they comparing it against if she
37:53
Speaker 1: was never actually pregnant.
37:55
Speaker 5: Right, So they took a DNA sample from her, like
37:58
Speaker 5: a cheek swab. I don't know, maybe they did something
38:01
Speaker 5: else for her. I did a cheek swab and basically
38:04
Speaker 5: send that in and they're looking for DNA matches. So
38:11
Speaker 5: what happened The result was it came back as a
38:12
Speaker 5: little to no fetal DNA, and so I talked to
38:15
Speaker 5: the testing facility rap Gin and I was talking to
38:20
Speaker 5: one of their representatives and I said, what does that mean?
38:23
Speaker 5: He goes, well, it just means like the sample there
38:25
Speaker 5: wasn't enough DNA and the sample. I said, okay, so
38:27
Speaker 5: she's not pregnant. He's like, well, we can't say that
38:29
Speaker 5: like there, we'd have to test again. And I was like, okay,
38:33
Speaker 5: and then if we test again it comes back the
38:35
Speaker 5: same thing. Then what he goes, then we will test again.
38:37
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, Then what happens after that? He's like,
38:39
Speaker 5: after like the third time, we'd have to bring in
38:41
Speaker 5: our doctor and have them take a look because there'd
38:44
Speaker 5: be obviously there's some consideration as to why, you know,
38:47
Speaker 5: what's going on here? Why is there no fetal DNA?
38:50
Speaker 5: And I told him, I said, well, look like she's
38:52
Speaker 5: not pregnant. That's why it's that's why it's returning this way.
38:54
Speaker 5: Can you put that on paper for me like that
38:56
Speaker 5: there was little to no field DNA. He said no,
38:59
Speaker 5: he said, we can't do that so because it's inconclusive.
39:03
Speaker 5: So I just decided to throw all my chips on black.
39:06
Speaker 5: At that point, I'm like, look, I'm not going to
39:08
Speaker 5: play this stupid game with her. She knew this, that's
39:11
Speaker 5: why she took the test. That it was never going
39:13
Speaker 5: to pop positive or negative, so there's never going to
39:15
Speaker 5: be a clear answer. So I said, forget it. You know,
39:17
Speaker 5: I'm just going to have my you know, Maury moment,
39:19
Speaker 5: like you are not the father. And I went on
39:22
Speaker 5: social media and I just made this video and you know,
39:26
Speaker 5: I exclaimed everybody that was little to no feetal DNA
39:28
Speaker 5: and I was insinuating that it was all over because
39:31
Speaker 5: I was forcing it into it. At that point, I'm like,
39:33
Speaker 5: she's going to keep claiming that she you know, the
39:35
Speaker 5: results were inconclusive and da da dah and waste my time.
39:38
Speaker 5: And I just decided to look like there's this is
39:40
Speaker 5: bus like she can't ever come. She's not going to
39:42
Speaker 5: be able to show a positive test, and I mean,
39:45
Speaker 5: so I'm just going to basically advance this and put
39:47
Speaker 5: an into it. So yeah, I mean that was the
39:50
Speaker 5: only way that I could prove that I wasn't the father,
39:52
Speaker 5: because I mean, that was it. The paternity test is
39:55
Speaker 5: the way there is.
39:56
Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:57
Speaker 1: So this is because she claims she had a miscare right, Yeah.
40:01
Speaker 5: Eventually because what she again her timelines and her you know,
40:06
Speaker 5: with keeping this this act going. What happened was is
40:09
Speaker 5: she went past the point at which it's like twenty
40:12
Speaker 5: three weeks or I mean, you can give me on
40:14
Speaker 5: the timelines, but there's a timeline apparently where beyond a
40:17
Speaker 5: certain point, if you have a miscarriage, you have to
40:21
Speaker 5: produce fetal death certificates. Well she didn't know that, so
40:24
Speaker 5: she advanced past that point when in court said that
40:27
Speaker 5: she was like twenty eight weeks pregnant or whatever it was.
40:31
Speaker 5: And then when we started then pushing it to the
40:33
Speaker 5: judge like she needs to produce fetal death certificates, she
40:36
Speaker 5: backtracked and said, oh, no, I you know, I actually
40:40
Speaker 5: had a miss miscarriage earlier, and she presented some photos
40:44
Speaker 5: of some bloody sacks that again at this point was
40:46
Speaker 5: probably chat GPT or AI whatever, But yeah, she was.
40:52
Speaker 2: We were.
40:52
Speaker 5: We were basically trying to stay ahead.
40:54
Speaker 2: Of her the entire time.
40:56
Speaker 5: We knew that she had We knew that she was
40:58
Speaker 5: going to lose the children or she was going to
41:01
Speaker 5: give them up for private adoption. So my lawyer came
41:04
Speaker 5: up with a great plan to basically file my name
41:06
Speaker 5: and the it's like a registry. So basically it's like,
41:10
Speaker 5: it's a registry where if the children are giving up
41:12
Speaker 5: for adoption, I have to be notified as the father.
41:15
Speaker 5: So we filed for that and it was smart, but
41:18
Speaker 5: it took that out of her game plan. It's like,
41:20
Speaker 5: now she can't just claim that giving them up, which
41:22
Speaker 5: she did end up sending me an email or somebody
41:26
Speaker 5: did anonymously, but it was definitely her, this person claiming
41:29
Speaker 5: that they had my children, that she they adopted, you know,
41:33
Speaker 5: the children, that she was going to go public and
41:36
Speaker 5: I just responded back. I was like, do it, you know,
41:38
Speaker 5: do it? Like go ahead, because I knew it was her,
41:40
Speaker 5: But that was one of her game plans. Well, when
41:42
Speaker 5: we shot that down, it and became she's going to
41:45
Speaker 5: have to just lose the children. But that's where she
41:47
Speaker 5: got caught up in her livees and you know it
41:49
Speaker 5: was in some hot water because it's like, okay, so
41:50
Speaker 5: where do the children go if you if it's past
41:52
Speaker 5: that twenty three week point, right, you got to produce documentation.
41:56
Speaker 1: Right, So when she claims that she did have a miscarriage,
41:58
Speaker 1: that I'm just trying to get the DNA and wrapped
42:00
Speaker 1: around in my head. So when she claimed that she
42:02
Speaker 1: had a miscarriage, then the judge ordered that she had
42:04
Speaker 1: to do some type of DNA testing with the whatever
42:07
Speaker 1: fetal was left within the womb kind of thing, and
42:11
Speaker 1: then that's where your DNA came in, Like they were
42:13
Speaker 1: looking for your DNA within her womb after a miscarriage.
42:18
Speaker 1: Is that I'm just trying to get that forensics down
42:20
Speaker 1: a lot.
42:20
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't. So it wasn't really like I don't
42:23
Speaker 5: believe we ever got to a court ordered paternity test.
42:26
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken. This is more like court of
42:28
Speaker 5: public opinion. So it was a matter of like when
42:30
Speaker 5: she went public, I just told her. I went on
42:33
Speaker 5: my social media and I was like, guys, I'm trying
42:35
Speaker 5: to do a paternity test. She keeps dodging it. She
42:37
Speaker 5: keeps you know, canceling it. And so then she was
42:41
Speaker 5: on Reddit like no, I'm not canceling. He's lying. And
42:43
Speaker 5: so then I said, all right, guys, so I said,
42:45
Speaker 5: I scheduled my part. I said, so here it is,
42:47
Speaker 5: and I took a screenshot of the date and time.
42:49
Speaker 5: I said, I'm going in on this date and time.
42:51
Speaker 5: She now has to schedule her part. So I forced
42:53
Speaker 5: her hand and made her have to basically follow through.
42:56
Speaker 5: Otherwise that she didn't, people you know, were going to
42:58
Speaker 5: realize that she was making it up. And she first
43:01
Speaker 5: canceled the first time people and so like she canceled
43:03
Speaker 5: and she's like, no, I was just sick. And so
43:06
Speaker 5: we the court was like I was fighting in the
43:09
Speaker 5: court of public opinion, and we also had a court
43:11
Speaker 5: case at one point the court case like it was
43:13
Speaker 5: in the family court and it was it was going
43:14
Speaker 5: to close. It was going to be dismissed because of
43:17
Speaker 5: a due to inactivity. I wasn't okay with that because
43:22
Speaker 5: I was I told my lawyer, I said, she's just
43:25
Speaker 5: going to let this fall off and then there's always
43:27
Speaker 5: going to be this like did Clayton get this woman pregnant?
43:30
Speaker 5: Did he not? So I said, you know, I want
43:31
Speaker 5: to file documents to make her prove that she was
43:35
Speaker 5: never pregnant by me, so I want an order of
43:37
Speaker 5: non paternity. So we filed those documents, and then the
43:43
Speaker 5: paternity test was just like additional additional evidence that we
43:46
Speaker 5: were able to use in the court case. But I
43:49
Speaker 5: don't believe it was ever court mandate if I'm not mistaken.
43:51
Speaker 5: I know we were getting close to saying, well, maybe
43:53
Speaker 5: we'll do that, but then I just used my you know,
43:56
Speaker 5: I just used my social media account and put the
43:58
Speaker 5: pressure on her, and then she took it. And then
44:01
Speaker 5: like the miscarriage happened like on the tail end of
44:06
Speaker 5: the court because she showed up in person and that's
44:09
Speaker 5: where Shelsa and she doesn't have a belly, there's no tree, right, she.
44:13
Speaker 1: Had to have a miscarriage. There has to be a
44:14
Speaker 1: story to go with that, right, right.
44:17
Speaker 3: You know.
44:18
Speaker 1: I just when you were talking about can I just
44:20
Speaker 1: ask the question about The Bachelor?
44:21
Speaker 5: Yeah?
44:22
Speaker 1: I just want to backtrack a little. Sorry, we were
44:24
Speaker 1: just talking about before you came on. I was reading
44:27
Speaker 1: about The Bachelor and how you were. You made a
44:29
Speaker 1: reference earlier to like you were like a monster. I
44:31
Speaker 1: guess that's was the public opinion at that time, because
44:34
Speaker 1: you didn't choose anyone at the end. Is that or
44:37
Speaker 1: I guess you told like multiple women that you loved
44:40
Speaker 1: him and then they all saw it, and then you
44:41
Speaker 1: didn't choose anyone and you told him all to go home. Actually,
44:44
Speaker 1: I will tell you when I was reading that, I
44:45
Speaker 1: actually found that refreshing because you were talking about authenticity
44:48
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know, I find it
44:49
Speaker 1: kind of refreshing that he didn't get forced into something
44:52
Speaker 1: that he was, you know, supposed to do at the
44:55
Speaker 1: end of the show, and you basically were like, I'm
44:56
Speaker 1: not interested in any of them.
45:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit. So it was a little like
45:02
Speaker 5: essentially there were final three women. Yeah, I had been
45:05
Speaker 5: I expressed feelings. I loved all three and was intimate
45:08
Speaker 5: with two of them. And then one of the women,
45:10
Speaker 5: the girl that I ended up with, was not okay
45:13
Speaker 5: with that, and she was like, look, if you've done,
45:15
Speaker 5: you know, been intimate or expressed feelings of love, I
45:17
Speaker 5: can't move on with you. I can't move forward. And
45:20
Speaker 5: that's where there was a big disagreement between her and
45:21
Speaker 5: I on the show, and there was like this team
45:23
Speaker 5: Susie versus Team Clayton. You know, some people were like,
45:25
Speaker 5: that was wrong, Clayton. He should have you know, protected
45:27
Speaker 5: her if he loved her the most. Because I had
45:29
Speaker 5: said that, people were you know, like he loved her
45:31
Speaker 5: the most. You can't love multiple people. I'm like, yeah,
45:34
Speaker 5: go ahead and say that. From the outside. I thought
45:35
Speaker 5: the same thing until like I actually went through it.
45:37
Speaker 5: So there's plenty of cases of people being in polyamorous
45:40
Speaker 5: relationships like it can't happen, It's possible. But of course,
45:43
Speaker 5: this is why the show is so popular. It's a
45:45
Speaker 5: show based on polyamory watched by monogamous audience. That's why
45:48
Speaker 5: it's so and why people watch it for all these
45:50
Speaker 5: years is because they're like, this is what I would do.
45:52
Speaker 5: You have no clue what you would do until you
45:53
Speaker 5: were in it. I said the same shit on the outside,
45:55
Speaker 5: and I was like, I wouldn't do it this way,
45:56
Speaker 5: And then you get in there and you're like, how
45:58
Speaker 5: do I do this? And they cut you off from
46:00
Speaker 5: your family, friends and everybody, so you have nobody to
46:02
Speaker 5: turn to, and so you're just like, well, I'll navigate
46:04
Speaker 5: this the best way that I can. The reason why
46:08
Speaker 5: I I'm a little bit more like willing to kind
46:12
Speaker 5: of share the reason why I was. I was not liked.
46:15
Speaker 5: I was not liked from the jump, uh, And that
46:18
Speaker 5: was because it was multifaceted and it was unfortunate. But
46:23
Speaker 5: like everyone's always looking for somebody to target their hatred towards.
46:26
Speaker 5: So I already was disliked because I was chosen over
46:29
Speaker 5: six men of color that really rubbed a lot of
46:31
Speaker 5: people the wrong way. So I was going into the
46:34
Speaker 5: season with people being like, why do they choose this guy?
46:36
Speaker 5: They had all these better men that could have been chosen,
46:39
Speaker 5: And I agree, they were great guys. A lot of
46:40
Speaker 5: these guys are still my friends. Ultimately, that was the
46:43
Speaker 5: producer choice and the and but who fuse shoulders is
46:45
Speaker 5: to fall on the guy that accepts the role because
46:47
Speaker 5: everyone's like he took it from these men. I'm like, no,
46:49
Speaker 5: I didn't take it from these men. I just accepted
46:52
Speaker 5: the opportunity, like they didn't bring it. Didn't bring it
46:54
Speaker 5: to those guys. But that start that was there was
46:57
Speaker 5: already hate there, and no, you know, liked me. And
47:01
Speaker 5: then once the producers saw that, they were like, hey, all,
47:07
Speaker 5: when it comes around in television, it's lover hate there's no,
47:10
Speaker 5: there is no we don't want lukewarm feelings.
47:11
Speaker 1: We don't want people they like polarizing, polarizing way it is.
47:16
Speaker 3: They don't care because.
47:17
Speaker 5: It's that way, and that's what it was. Is like basically,
47:21
Speaker 5: they wanted me to be like the guy that everybody liked.
47:24
Speaker 5: Like I think the original plan for the producers was like, hey,
47:26
Speaker 5: we can make this guy, you know, he's his head's
47:28
Speaker 5: in the right place. He can write off in the
47:29
Speaker 5: sunset with the person that you know of his dreams,
47:32
Speaker 5: and then we can get our bachelorette. But essentially I
47:35
Speaker 5: kind of ruined those plans. It's just I just happened
47:38
Speaker 5: to take the person that they were looking to. Yeah
47:41
Speaker 5: I'm saying too much, but essentially there's just like there
47:46
Speaker 5: there was a lot of all of a sudden the
47:48
Speaker 5: script flipped and then all of a sudden everything went haywire,
47:50
Speaker 5: and they were like, look, you gave us all this,
47:52
Speaker 5: we can't not show it now. I mean, this is
47:54
Speaker 5: this is an absolute train wreck and people aren't going
47:57
Speaker 5: to like you. And you know I at the time,
47:59
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't of shit, like I'm doing
48:02
Speaker 5: this is my love story and I'm doing the best
48:03
Speaker 5: with what I have and I don't care about this audience,
48:05
Speaker 5: Like this is me trying to find love. Well that's
48:08
Speaker 5: just where all a sudden, when I gave him that,
48:10
Speaker 5: they're like, well, all right, you gave us all this stuff,
48:12
Speaker 5: and like we again, we either going to make you
48:14
Speaker 5: the good guy or the bad guy, and it's people.
48:17
Speaker 3: You've got to be the bad guy and I got
48:18
Speaker 3: to be the bad guy.
48:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what, thank you so much for
48:22
Speaker 1: joining us today. It was really interesting talking to you
48:24
Speaker 1: and hearing your perspective on everything, and it's such an
48:26
Speaker 1: interesting case and I'm happy you have no regrets and
48:29
Speaker 1: we're we're going to follow this because I actually, just
48:32
Speaker 1: from my perspective, would love to see her go to
48:35
Speaker 1: trial because I would be very interested in all the things.
48:38
Speaker 1: And so we will definitely follow this case and until
48:41
Speaker 1: the end and talk about it again. But I just
48:43
Speaker 1: want to remind everyone that your podcast is called Love Trapped,
48:47
Speaker 1: and if you just you know, would like to say
48:49
Speaker 1: anything about it at the end here any final thoughts.
48:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, the greatest thing people can do
48:55
Speaker 5: is is give it a listen, give it a five
48:57
Speaker 5: star review, and that just helps, Like more visibility. I mean,
49:01
Speaker 5: for me at this point, I hope that at the
49:04
Speaker 5: end of July, this chapter of my life can close.
49:08
Speaker 5: I'm totally okay with like this being the end of it,
49:10
Speaker 5: and I don't need anything to come from it. I
49:12
Speaker 5: just want everything to be finished. What this you know,
49:16
Speaker 5: really this is kind of a segue the podcast. It's
49:19
Speaker 5: like leading up to this trial. And so the more
49:23
Speaker 5: visibility the better I mean, it makes. It shows the
49:26
Speaker 5: prosecutors as well that it's like, hey, look, people are
49:29
Speaker 5: following this, so like justice needs to be served. There
49:31
Speaker 5: can't be just like all of a sudden, this dropping
49:34
Speaker 5: of the case and we all move on. So the
49:37
Speaker 5: more visibility, that's all I can ask for people is like,
49:39
Speaker 5: just give it a listen, just just help us. Just
49:42
Speaker 5: carry this into the end of July, so hopefully we
49:45
Speaker 5: get resolution, that's the end of it, and then all
49:48
Speaker 5: of us can move on. So that's what I would
49:50
Speaker 5: say about the podcast.
49:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm very interested to see how this ends
49:53
Speaker 1: and we will definitely follow it. So thank you so
49:55
Speaker 1: much Clayton for being here on Legally Brunette. We really
49:57
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
49:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you guys. You