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'Summer House' Questions, 'Ladies of London' Thoughts, RHOM & RHONJ Rumors, RHONY's New Cast, 'Southern Charm' Wishes and More (Mailbag) · Gabbing with Gib

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Kapping with Gibb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Gibson Johns, and today on the show we have a long overdue listener mailback episode for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm recording this from So House in West Hollywood, actually Halloway House.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the morning after the threads Oscars vuing party that I went to last night where I hung out with a bunch of other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fellow creators, both in and out of the Bravo Space Law, he would recognize and a lot of friends in mind, but I'm going to see off to him and we have really, really a good time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of our collective faves were there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Too many names specifically, but if you follow me, you probably saw a bunch of pictures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry for the overload of story posts, but also not, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a back-to-back wedding and work event weekend situation here in LA for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I am pretty tired this morning, and I haven't had that much time either to scroll or catch up on my shows this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a very social event heavy weekend, not complaining about it, but I actually haven't even started the secret lives in one of my wives' latest season that dropped on Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just haven't had the time, but so this is actually the perfect time to answer some of your questions that you all have for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks to everyone who submitted questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to get to all of them, but it's possible a few fell through the cracks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So apologies if I did not get to yours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I got all of them, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lula's reality on Twitter asks it asks Gibson, what does your take on summer house currently overall?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there too many newbies and did bed take it too far confronting Bailey?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm loving this season of summer house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is no secret.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been reading about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really varied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it started out being really focused on the Kyle in the end of stuff, but I think they've done a good job at
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also giving us a lot of the newbies of CR and Western Jesse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot going on and I really I really am encouraged by it again because it's up to transitional season where like You know, Kyle and Amanda are going out of the bang by literally breaking up, you know, we have Lindsay and Carl still in the mix, but they won't be after this season likely
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like they're doubting people in my life who you know say that you think it's repetitive They don't care about the Kyle and Amanda stuff because they know where it's going and it feels like it's stuff that we've seen in past seasons But I don't agree with that take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really fantastic reality TV this season and again, it's it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's good variety, I think, in terms of the drama and make the column amount of stuff has not been overshadowing everything as much as I kind of expected it to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also, again, I just think it's starting to show up and the spin off up in the city, up really nicely for the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there are too many newbies, and they had to take a big swing by casting, you know, five to six people in this case, six people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because they needed at least like, you know, two to three of those people to work, so that, like, for season 11, they could bring back West, Jesse, Sierra, and then at least two to three new weeks because it didn't need to feel like a reboot, you know, next season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that they can, that there are so many promising people that can bring back that will be familiar face faces for season 11.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they'll also add new people for season 11, but like, we have a solid, like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, five to eight people, they can already have on next season's cast, even if they lose Kalamanda Carl Lindsay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's that's pretty impressive, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I really like a lot of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Levi is the one who...
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's the biggest question mark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've been definitely editing her down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I think now that I've thought about this, even though it's a little bit weird how they have done it, or very weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's weird that Levi doesn't have professionals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that Dara, maybe they didn't expect her to pop as much to connect with KJ as much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she may be
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think her sort of increasing airtime probably as a season goes on, my guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably why Levi is sort of being added down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my totally, like, just sort of unfounded, like, educated guests on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when it comes to Ben and Bailey, I see it both ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Bailey, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, was it inappropriate for to say that on Amanda's birthday at the dinner table in front of Kyle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also wish she had stood 10 toes down on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, I wish that she had just sort of like gone out afterwards and you know, like kind of just bucked up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I think that Ben had a really intense stirring reaction that was pretty uncomfortable?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I also think that too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of that is because she hit a nerve because it was kind of true what she said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Ben would want to hook up with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think I don't think that he would have done it because she was married to Kyle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he was interested in that and that package I showed like they clearly were flirting with each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, or he was clearly flirting with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And um, so I think that that's part of what explains his reactions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I see it both ways I really do, but it definitely put like in more at different tastes in your mouth about Ben after that after that whole scene didn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, PD, Re, on Instagram, do you agree that West is currently the King of Bravo, not including Andy, of course?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are plenty of people who will think that, you know, he never will deserve Sierra and he's a spuck boy and the audio audio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A personally, I love West.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's one of the best casting decisions that probably was made in the past like five years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never met him, but he is definitely up there with some of the best right now, especially when it comes to the men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just, I am so glad that after last season where he really kind of shrink away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, in reaction to all the Sierra drama.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that he's sort of back to being himself again, because he is a star and he is really likable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think he's a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think he got, yeah, he, he fucked it up with Sierra the first go round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like if she is down to give him a second chance, if she's welcoming him back into her life,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't like who we did judge or who we did say that he doesn't deserve for, you know, and then in terms of being the king of bravo, I mean, first of all, I guess who watch this competition, I guess that bravo con, it was definitely still Craig, there's no question about that just in terms of the audience reaction and sort of how prominent he was, but also since then this season episode and charm has not been suit kind for him, so maybe that is maybe there's sort of a passing of the guard happening, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Towson, Aloho, on Threads, within the city happening, are we certain that Kyle won't come back to Summer House next season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like he has to, her visibility with lover boy, but it feels as though a divorce Kyle in the Summer House may cause more harm than good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not 100% certain that Kyle is not coming back to Summer House next season, but I think he probably isn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that being said, I do think there's probably opportunity for Kyle Lindsey Carl, Amanda, et cetera, to still make appearances in the summer house, like show up for a weekend or to like sort of like then he's doing this summer, maybe to a certain extent, because I'm sure they do want to sort of move the show along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have this landing spot in the city, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not 100% certain, but I can see him in cameos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would also rather just, I would rather follow him outside of the sharehouse at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, in terms of visibility for Leverboy, Provo is not making casting decisions based on whether or not it's, you know, it's going to be good for the Leverboy business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and Leverboy at this point will always be intricately linked to a summer house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, so Kyle, not being honest on full-time cast on our next season, I don't think we'd really change that, but, you know, he does need the, he also does need to show, I think, and in the city is not opportunity to do this, that he's willing to grow up a little bit, you know, I think even though him and Amanda are broken up and you'd think that maybe that gives him like a lead way to sort of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: fall completely back into his ways, I think Kyle would be wise to still show some more maturity and some growth and willingness to actually still make some changes in his lifestyle, especially now that he has not the show to one user that uses an excuse and also to drive his lifestyle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, part of the reason why he did not give up partying is because
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was still his job, regardless of the DJing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that the show doesn't have him as a full-time customer next season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not because of him, just because I think the show should continue to evolve and he still has in the city and will be still going to be premiered in his life there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, regarding Alex on Instagram ordering ladies of London to compete with real housewives of London, then only doing six episodes shows a lack of confidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So actually, when you said six episodes, I was like, I didn't realize it was six episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's supposed to be seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong, but from what I can tell, it's going to be seven episodes, which is definitely shorter than the usual eight season for seasons of a show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First seasons are always shorter, it's technically the fourth season, but it's the first season of the reboot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually don't think that there's a lack of confidence around ladies of London.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, first of all, it's a great show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, really solid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They did a really expensive, precedent last week in New York at Foucats, which is a really, really nice hotel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was at that event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The entire cast got flown out from London and they had this really like nice tea party set up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can really nice hotel like really nicely done event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to me like there have actually been doing good press for the show which meet to me shows confidence and then also I'm in LA right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a huge billboard on Sunset Boulevard very prominent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: featuring ladies of London in the whole cast, Ryod Time Hotel, like, they're definitely putting money behind this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they want this to succeed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that it does have the ingredients to do so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the vintage old-school Bravo feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that none of the cast ever seemed to really need the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of doing it for fun and like for shits and giggles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some legit casting here, and some personalities that really just feel like they,
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[SPEAKER_00]: don't give a fuck of people thinking about them, like there's good energy around this and I actually even isn't talking to some of the bravo team, like I think that they do feel confident and let it's up London.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do, I see why you would say that about six episodes, but first of all, I think it's supposed to be seven and two, I don't think that's a reflection of what I have confidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Paul on Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand the criticism of Mark Francis on ladies at London.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Luke had a recurring role in commentary on the original run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No confessionals, but he got into the mix often.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Mark Francis is necessary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree that's a really good shout out about Luke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of gets forgotten about in that original run, but he was
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[SPEAKER_00]: totally there in the mix as Carl would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Mark is fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he is a great great chorus, he had a great source of humor on the latest London reboot so far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's clearly meant to be on camera and he was on that other reality show that I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he wasn't muted in Chelsea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's been there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been around the block before, but he's, I think he's fits right it on the show and makes sense for him to be on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like most of the criticism that I saw about Mark on the days of London came before the show ever aired and people were sort of making assumptions about him being there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now I hope that people are sort of eating their words and realizing that, you know, him being there is not as odd or sort of unnecessary as it might have thought it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he is totally a member of this of this Fang Group and it makes sense
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, see your last COSAM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to pronounce that on Instagram.
10:59
[SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts on the new cast of Roni?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they brought the correct three people back in Aaron's side, Jessel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had been saying that if I bring anybody back, it should be those three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Carol being a friend is really important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's this really necessary tie-back to your original line of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to have that if you want to say that this is the same show that the old cast was on, you know?
11:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to say, like, they should have made it a season one, again, you know, of Real Housewives of New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they're going to go with season 15, then give us somebody who connects us to the past and Carol being that person, I think, is really for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really welcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, in terms of the three new people, Erica Hammond, you know, she has real money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is married to the co-founder of Bill, so who's a billionaire?
11:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we have Daisy Toys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has the Martha Stewart connection, which I think is a great sort of, um, hook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and then Hayley Glassman is giving mess and problematic vibes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this show needs to mess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it was too buttoned up before that was one of the problems with it and so we need genuine controversy and divisiveness and I think that Haley is going to give that for better or worse and you know I'm not going to say that's promising but I think that that is something that like is intriguing and I'm interested to see how they all react to her and if they pull out more receipts about her you know like is there more problematic stuff that she said online like I'd like to see that so you know I'm not making too many assumptions about this because I'm just sort of like
12:21
[SPEAKER_00]: go film the show.
12:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Show us that you can give us a good season and then I don't want you to hear any updates before that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, again, last season was not good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So show us that you are able to make a good show with this new show winner with a slightly new cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let them cook, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's sort of how I'm feeling about it right now.
12:38
[SPEAKER_00]: KT Boature on Instagram, what is the latest update on the real house as a Salt Lake city filming?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have many updates.
12:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I know they filmed for a lot of Robert Jr's funeral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they filmed the actual funeral, but they definitely were filming around it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The entire cast tended it as a production.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stimtheus Shray and Kyle were there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's a rumor and newbie on the cast, but I think it's um, so you're right now if she's going to be a friend or a full-time cast member.
13:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know that problem
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[SPEAKER_00]: If there was even a picture of Meredith with Nini, which was kind of iconic and brawn was out with her boyfriend, so I'm assuming we'll get some of that stuff, or maybe we'll hear about that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that for me, the biggest sort of question mark is like, how much is Mary going to participate?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I hope that she's not putting too much pressure on her self right now to to participate and to film a lot, but also on the flip side, if it's a good outlet for her, she feels like it's almost cathartic to do this or distracting to do this, more power to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really curious to see how they treat
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Robert Jr.'s death, which delayed filming for a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely going to be part of the season, but I'm guessing they don't want to sort of weigh it down too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm curious how that goes, but otherwise I have not heard many updates about filming, which I think is a good thing.
13:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I like when I don't hear that much.
13:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Maryland nits on threads could you give an update on where they are at with the production of the Real Housewives of Miami?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the show with the long breaks and production.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems difficult to keep in the more casual,
14:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's extremely unclear what's happening with Miami, just like last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember last season, it took like a six month break between shooting, which was definitely prolonged and ultimately it amounted to not much change other than adding Stephanie and losing the coal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Andy made some comments on his radio show recently that we're kind of cryptic about about sort of the status of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But after I saw this question, I did a little digging to see if I missed anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And R-H-O-M. Bravo and Instagram did post recently, and they said after weeks of uncertainty, I'm now hearing that R-H-O-M has officially been picked up and Andy Cohen heard for him last week, that my amp, you'll be moving forward alongside Roni, after what was previously shaping up to be in either or a situation between the two franchises.
14:45
[SPEAKER_00]: However, from what sources are saying, there's expected to be a major shake-up with nearly half the cast potentially going head-gone heading into the new season.
14:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing's ever final in the Bravo universe, but if this plays out,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, take that with a grain of salt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what those, what this account sources are.
15:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It definitely feels like there's something up with real housewives of Miami.
15:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like every season they feel like there's something to sort of like be sort of side eyeing.
15:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But Page Six also ran that article recently where they said that multiple sources tell us that Gurdian Julia are out from Miami.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There also may be a third cast member that would that would take fans by surprise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said that there's a chance of Stephanie could quit the show before her second season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then also the article says that some informants note that Todd's 10 million dollar defamation lawsuit against Bravo has left production stumps on how to proceed with his on again, off again, ex-wife Alexia Napola, who is a fan favorite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as one of our sources point out, not only did Todd filed his missed the lawsuit in December, but showrunners have worked around this issue in the past and would do it again.
15:48
[SPEAKER_00]: According to our insiders, our execs are also taking into account how things went for the real house was a Miami cast at Bravo Con 2025.
15:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Their panel is far from most entertaining or seamless up the weekend, which were told to not inspire producers to rush to pick cameras back up.
16:02
[SPEAKER_00]: According to one informant, there have been conversations about getting the ball rolling next month, but dates have not been locked in and contracts have not been set out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if the panel was actually an indicator for them, that would to me spell also trouble for
16:18
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, revealing who the Haitian mortician was and it was going to be feedred.
16:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the whole weird thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like chaos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I posted some video of a lot from the audience of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be shocked if Alexia went out and Stephanie still definitely hangs out with the cast and I just saw our supposed to picture with her the other day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, again, I'll take it with a grain of salt.
16:39
[SPEAKER_00]: There definitely feels like there's something in the air and I would expect, I would not be shocked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Julia and Gerti were cut, because that was also part of the panel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just sort of like, Gerti's been a little bit of the stick in the mud and just like not swing all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Julia just like does not seem very popular with the audience.
16:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And somebody who's the username actually accidentally cropped out when I took a screenshot of their question, they had asked for my thoughts on the delay and the rumors that Gerti and Julia
17:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And they also asked if I had updates on Jersey and I am not personally heard any recent updates I guess there's a rumor that like Margaret jokes is going to be on some like real house wise ultima girls rip off show on Amazon That has like Kenya and a bunch of about the like random reality stars.
17:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's giving mess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's giving
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[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit chaotic, but a TBD on that's actually happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in terms of Jersey, the rumors currently are that Theresa Melissa and Dolores are coming back.
17:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's the newbies named G.A.K.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Amber Sabathia and Natalia Rufalo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are those that's like the most sort of a concrete rumor that I feel like we've heard about the show in quite some time, which to me seems like maybe it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: somewhere close to the truth and some work close to the reality of what's gonna happen to me.
17:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like justice from our I think the marriage was really integral and getting there's the back on its feet Sort of around that sticky flicker time, you know after Margaret Join then we got the Jackie and Jennifer additions And the show was really on a roll for several seasons there for a while and I think Margaret was a big part of that So for her to get cut out.
18:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be really unfortunate and I think that Theresa Melissa making up is probably a
18:19
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, Margaret and Theresa.
18:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get Margaret and Louie Moore like they really can't coexist and Margaret is definitely more sort of, um, I think aggressively anti them and hat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the action that they're making up was bad for her future on the show.
18:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that these are, this is actually true, but these are the rumors right now.
18:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, toast in a low-ho on threads also asked a man that can be annoying but it feels like the issue with a man-dears, more than two-some-alennial housewife, almost like it was with crystal and Beverly Hills.
18:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But we also saw a cast of predominantly millennials on Roney, Float Park.
18:55
[SPEAKER_00]: They all can't stay on the show forever to the housewives have a millennial problem and what can be done to fix it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds like Towson Red, Louis Staples, a friend of the pod, he wrote a piece for batches about this, how housewives has a manual problem, and I see the argument and I don't fully disagree with it, but I also don't necessarily fully agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, like Rooney didn't work because it was a cast full of millennials.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't work because...
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[SPEAKER_00]: of a variety of other different reasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Crystal wasn't a bad housewife.
19:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that I think that she like worked in a lot of ways.
19:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the her biggest sort of thing was that she just didn't die but the rest of her cast.
19:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And definitely age and generation contributed to that for sure.
19:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that was like the full reason why.
19:37
[SPEAKER_00]: you know she happened to be millennial and she had some millennial qualities for sure I don't think that her being a millennial explains why she didn't quote quote didn't work on the show I mean and then Amanda to me is just sort of representative of like really extreme qualities that millennials get to get sort of tagged with but again she doesn't she's not the typical millennial on my eyes like I think that again it's like
19:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like some of her annoying qualities are definitely ones that get pegged to millennials, but again, I think that she's like a really specific example.
20:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if it's a millennial problem across housewives, because also as Lewis mentioned in his piece, like Candace Ashley Whitney Rose, those are all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: millennial housewives who are fantastic and have been fantastic up their jobs for seasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think the real housewives has a millennial problem actually.
20:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I see the argument, but I don't necessarily agree with that.
20:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I do think that there is definitely like on some franchises.
20:33
[SPEAKER_00]: or hurdle to address is like how do you connect sort of maybe some of the older generation housewives with new additions to our, you know, in their 30s.
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes that connection isn't like isn't fully there.
20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's doable.
20:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think Miami has a has a cast that's like a pretty wide range in ages.
20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Beverly Hills at this point is for sure.
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, they're they're their cast is not perfect.
20:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think somebody's franchises do have a wide range in ages, but it works.
21:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Potomac, same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I actually don't fully agree with that thesis.
21:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And third question from Tosin on Dreads, with awesome chef and Craig getting older and Craig sang in the trailer, he might not come back for next season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we think that the show would actually begin to focus more on the women?
21:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It has been about the guys for a really long time, especially post-catheter in Thomas.
21:20
[SPEAKER_00]: totally agree it's definitely been more about the men, you know, I've said I'll add nausea I'm that like I wish that the show would not cycle through the women so often if like if once they become you know no longer romantic prospects for the men but I'd love to see the shift or at least like a little bit more of a rebalancing to that for that to be a little bit less stark
21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also don't think we'll ever fully shift to be about women because I feel like this, you know, being about the Southern gentlemen, the original title of Southern charm, that's in the, that's baked into the DNA of the show and I actually think on Bravo, which is, you know, very heavily female skewing in terms of audience, but also of course in terms of the cast members on their shows to have a show that is more from the male perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think actually different
22:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think at a certain point, I guess this even this season, I was just sort of like, all right, I guess I just have to like accept Southern charm for what it is, which is a show about the men.
22:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, I guess the change that I would like to see is just for them to hold on to the women for longer and to find more roles for them.
22:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of, you know, discarding them after they've kind of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: hooked up with the guy and then broken up.
22:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, all right, what do we do with them?
22:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's find a new one.
22:34
[SPEAKER_00]: No, like, let's hold on to somebody's great female cast members and and see more of their lives beyond sort of just being romantic prospects for chef at Austin and Craig.
22:42
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Phil Burke on Instagram.
22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you find it hard to trust anything Sally says on Southland Charmer?
22:47
[SPEAKER_00]: She's great TV and good for the show.
22:49
[SPEAKER_00]: But I find her so hard to like or trust because she is so hypocritical.
22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: She thought Craig was amazing until he didn't show interest and then he became a terrible guy who let her on.
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: She says we don't know the real Whittner, but she doesn't seem to be a reliable narrator.
23:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we sure that the Whitt is a bad guy?
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible, but no evidence yet to prove that.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it that Sally didn't get attention from him, so now he's automatically bad or sinister.
23:10
[SPEAKER_00]: She gets mad at Charlie for hanging with Craig, but so obviously did the same thing to the need I didn't care.
23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, great casting, but I think her hypocrisy needs to be called out, too.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, I think some of that's very well said.
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't agree with all of it.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that like the change up from correct to Austin is definitely like notable as well as like different treatment of Charlie and Benita and sort of the flipping of positions in those two dynamics for sure.
23:33
[SPEAKER_00]: The winner piece of the one that I don't agree with, I agree that her implication that he's a bad guy has not been explained or answered for.
23:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm, that's kind of been sticking on my head too.
23:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't really know what she meant by that.
23:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't think we've seen anything.
23:48
[SPEAKER_00]: that indicates that's true since them from Whitner, like he seems like a pretty good guy to me.
23:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that she said that because she didn't get romantic attention.
23:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's no indication that Sally was ever interested in Whitner in that way.
24:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So if she was getting out something, I don't think it was because of that.
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I think that Sally is a really good addition to the show.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I do see what we're saying in terms of some of the pop hipocracy.
24:10
[SPEAKER_00]: But again,
24:10
[SPEAKER_00]: reality stars through our little hypocritical and art perfect and make you think too ways about them, though there's some of the best ones.
24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, maybe it's also a reflection of, again, as I mentioned with the last question, the women are really sort of implied that they have to
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: they have to have a romantic partner on the cast to stick around and you know I think part of that was her wanting to solidify her job on the show which is good at and so I think maybe with like a solidified second season on the show where she feels a little bit less in that pressure maybe she'd be freed up from trying less hard in that regard
24:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, Ben did really on Instagram.
24:46
[SPEAKER_00]: In the early 2010s, Bravo was built on aspiration.
24:49
[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to be them.
24:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Today, it's built on skinned fall.
24:52
[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to see them fall.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Has the Bravovers shifted from a lifestyle brand to a modern day Roman Colosseum?
24:58
[SPEAKER_00]: If the audience no longer likes or envies the cast, but only turns into solidification and liquidation phase up their lives, does the show have a shelf life or are we just waiting for the last person to get served papers?
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: really fast-standing question.
25:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually feel like this perhaps deserves a more fleshed out episode on its own, or at least a bigger discussion with somebody else.
25:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to hang on to this one.
25:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That's hard to answer on my own, and just a few minutes.
25:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do agree.
25:25
[SPEAKER_00]: that scandal has changed everything and what you were in, especially in terms of what viewers want and expect from the shows.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think reality vantees also changed a lot.
25:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it is all about the fall from grace and things not being the way they're presented to us.
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trusting that information.
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about investigation and sort of the, the, the, the, the the dynamics between fan pages and bloggers.
25:45
[SPEAKER_00]: and the actual cast members and social media, you know, there's mystery and there's crime.
25:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the stakes have no doubt gotten higher, which is why when we get seasons that are solid without those things, it hits even harder and better.
25:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's been a couple of Miami seasons like that.
26:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Potomac Atlanta.
26:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Beverly Hills in particular.
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I think on the flip side has sort of painted itself into a corner because like we got the air.
26:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Good Sam we got Lucy Lucy output juicy.
26:10
[SPEAKER_00]: We got Denise Richard and Brandy.
26:12
[SPEAKER_00]: We got so many of these big seasons of like really big topics that defined full seasons of the show.
26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: and now they're sort of without that and the show doesn't really know what to do without without, you know, big topic like that.
26:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think they're kind of trying to replicate that too, like via like Kyle and Doreer, Kyle and Marisa are treating PK and it just doesn't hit as much.
26:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I agree with this.
26:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will, I will try to do a longer segment at least or discussion with the guests.
26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: That's some point about this.
26:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really interesting.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Really interesting question.
26:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, thanks Ben for this good idea.
26:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Bradana Joyce, how do we get LVP miss Pat and waiting off our screens?
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels inauthentic.
26:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think LVP will always be on reality TV and always somehow be on Bravo probably.
26:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she's a big draw.
26:57
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of people who really love her.
26:58
[SPEAKER_00]: She's iconic and the reboot of Vanderhubbrool is dig at a second season.
27:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's not going anywhere anytime soon.
27:05
[SPEAKER_00]: She also has her like Hulu shows, which I don't really take part in.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Pat, you know, I don't like some of her backwards views on the dynamics of female women and men.
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of those are very antiquated, but I'm down to still have her be a mascot of Southern charm.
27:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't bother me.
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the men's dinner.
27:24
[SPEAKER_00]: She has every year.
27:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I love her house.
27:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I love being able to go there on the show.
27:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have a problem with this Pat being there Whitney, on the other hand, I could totally do it without.
27:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think the fact that he's a producer, I got a cast member, is just always going to be sort of this weird cognitive interest, he's hooked up with several of the younger
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, gives you pause a little bit.
27:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he adds that much to the cast member.
27:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't.
27:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I find his presence to be fairly creepy and weird sometimes.
27:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just, he is the one that I would great.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Like let's, we don't need him.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: LBP, I don't need her around.
27:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't foresee that being anything that happens anytime soon either.
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, last several questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See y'all, Dinsdale on Twitter.
28:03
[SPEAKER_00]: What about seeing you see in previews?
28:04
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not showing on the show.
28:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems we are getting so many flashbacks,
28:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is the question that I like is my Roman Empire.
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I have never gotten a straight answer to this.
28:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Why we see so many things in trailers and teasers that don't end up actually on the show.
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes they feel like really constant sequential scenes and good quotes and things that could really like, you know, drive stuff that for them to be cut out makes you think, right?
28:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And it does feel like it's happening more and more often these days too, which is also weird because like, you know, it is a reflection of the fact that an episode's final cut had not been locked before, you know, a trailer's been cut or a teaser's been cut.
28:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But fans are as eagle-eyed as they've ever been.
28:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, so you'd think that Bravo and production companies would want to be tampering down on this trend, instead of letting it happen more often.
28:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm kind of shocked how much it happens, honestly, because people are going to notice that.
28:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And in terms of flashback scenes, specifically, I think it's really interesting that we do see those a lot.
29:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree that they feel like they've been happening pretty frequently.
29:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, I think the implication there is usually
29:07
[SPEAKER_00]: got like, yeah, maybe this one notable thing was said at this particular lunch or dinner, whatever it is.
29:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, the rest of the scene was probably pretty and consequential and boring and like not notable.
29:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So like it didn't make sense for production to, you know, eat up five minutes of an episode with the full scene.
29:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it makes a nice sense to do flashback of it.
29:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But I agree we are getting those more often.
29:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But those don't fully bother me, but sometimes I'm like,
29:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been nice to see that sort of, you know, in context, fully and in a scene.
29:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But the footage in the trailers that don't get shown in the episode, that is inexcusable to me.
29:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Seal Dinsdale on Twitter also asked, how can we fix reunions?
29:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand the need for time to edit, but it seems they've filmed so far in advance, nothing can truly be resolved.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Viewers have questions that never seem to be answered, and I'm thinking specifically about cast trips.
29:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess tell me this, but are they filming where unions much earlier than they used to?
30:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this is a new trend that you're noticing.
30:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there are definitely reunions that have not offered enough resolution and have enclosed the loop enough for sure.
30:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree with that.
30:15
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that reunions are broken, per se.
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I think certain, I think maybe certain franchises do them better than others these days.
30:22
[SPEAKER_00]: but I don't think they're broken.
30:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm just curious if this is a newer thing that you're noticing.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe write in and explain that a little bit more because I don't think the reunions are broken by any means.
30:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think they're like the Potomac reunion as I discussed in my end as he's an deep dive of that, like there was too much to address and so I think that was sort of the problem there.
30:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think with Salt Lake City, they've never been that great a reunion, because the seasons are so packed full of drama and things.
30:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so I'm curious if there's one recently that, or there's several other ones recently that you feel like didn't offer enough resolution.
30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, last question from Katrina Papalayo on Instagram, how do so many Bravo Podcasts thrive when recapping the same content?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great question.
31:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a couple things here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think one is a reflection of Bravo fans in particular being pretty insatiable in terms of information and commentary and that something also about Bravo is at the community aspect of it and like I know that for me on certain podcasts with Isles into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to hear sort of my thoughts confirmed or also challenged, but there's sort of like people love to talk about a problem with their friend.
31:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that for a lot of people myself included, the podcast that we listen to almost feel like friends.
31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: There are people that we spend time with every single week, they're in our ears multiple times a week, usually.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think that bravo is just like something that we love to always, we're always down to talk about that as bravo fans.
31:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so thing that's part of it.
31:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also think that podcast listeners
31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much have no limit in terms of the amount of shows that'll listen to.
31:52
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if I, if I hear about a new podcast or a podcast that existed, I think I'll like, I'll add it to my library.
31:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I might not listen to whatever is a go week, but it's there and I'll probably tap into it sometimes.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and I have a lot of shows in my library on my podcast library.
32:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think that's also a part of it.
32:08
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think that a lot of the problem podcasts are different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is differentiation in how different hosts and personalities break down the shows and how they present their opinions and like reasonable gap in the give.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My podcast is not a recap show.
32:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll sometimes do recap episodes, but generally speaking, I don't recap every single week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's something that I think sets me apart because also when I sort of joined
32:30
[SPEAKER_00]: When I entered the game, there were already so many people who had been recapping for years before I started doing this and they do it amazingly well and they have carved out big audiences for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't feel like the need to sort of add to that.
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I sort of going back to the first part.
32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that podcast listeners get really attached to personalities and podcast hosts and the ways that people talk about the shows.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's just like this, there is a pair of social relationships that gets formed.
32:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think if the personality stands out enough and the person is, you know, beloved enough, there's always going to be space for them.
33:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's space for everyone to want to do this.
33:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are so many problem of podcasts, you're right, and not everybody listens to all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people find the people that they,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that they enjoy and that they like their delivery.
33:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, a so many of these people are my friends.
33:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that I love how different everybody is and how they present their takes and their opinions and their recaps.
33:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's sort of why I think there's able to be so many of these shows.
33:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are a lot and so many of them are great.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you guys, that is it for today's listener mail back episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you enduring my raspier voice, and maybe some background noise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I hope that there wasn't too much background noise in this episode, because I'm recording it in a phone booth, but I appreciate everyone for submitting questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be back with at least one more episode this week with a really exciting other probably podcast or speaking of.
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