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When red shoes get too hot · Mooney's Mythic Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to Mooney's Mythic Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mooney's Mythic Podcast is sponsored by fire, red hot flames, passion, heat, ignition, power.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, fire, for being in our lives.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, fire, for being one of the elements.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for connecting us back to the ancestors.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for bringing us right down to that fire at the centre of the earth.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for shooting us up to that sun up high in the sky.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for helping us to remember that when we need to burn something,
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  SPEAKER_02: when we need to let go of something,
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  SPEAKER_02: when we really want some movement,
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  SPEAKER_02: that we can light a candle,
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  SPEAKER_02: that it's enough.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for helping us when we want to remember someone, we can light a candle.
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  SPEAKER_02: thank you thank you thank you for everything that you do for us fire for the way
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  SPEAKER_02: you heat and warm us for the way that you nourish our food um and and cook us cook
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  SPEAKER_02: us and our food really well thank you thank you so much
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  SPEAKER_02: Here I am,
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  SPEAKER_02: jumping on for an episode that I'm going to record now and put in the bag so that
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  SPEAKER_02: it will come out on Friday when I'm at the festival.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is for you, Tess, who didn't want to go a week without one.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it might not be as long.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was going to say well thought out.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not a great advert at the beginning of a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: It may not be as long, but it'll be just as juicy, I promise you.
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  SPEAKER_02: you came back.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're back.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're back.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or maybe you're here for the first time, in which case I just say to you, welcome aboard.
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  SPEAKER_02: Come nestle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Come plump your cushion and enjoy this ride, which is Mooney's Mythic Podcast, where I meander around the
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  SPEAKER_02: story and depth and magic and hopefully pull a few exciting rabbits out of the hat for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've been trying to record this podcast all day,
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  SPEAKER_02: to get down to sitting down and recording this podcast,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I haven't been able to because my son has been suspended from school for some
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  SPEAKER_02: midsummer rutting.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm looking around me and I'm seeing that energy all around,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: the kind of pushing and the reaching and the stretching and the growing and
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  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: and his teacher said to me,
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  SPEAKER_02: because he got into some trouble,
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  SPEAKER_02: and his teacher said to me,
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  SPEAKER_02: he just needs to learn not to take matters into his own hands.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was thinking,
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  SPEAKER_02: oh,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think I've been teaching him to take responsibility and where's the line and
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  SPEAKER_02: where's the learning?
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  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's just got me thinking,
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  SPEAKER_02: but not too deeply,
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  SPEAKER_02: because this is a this is a quick old podcast for those of you that don't want to
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  SPEAKER_02: miss a week.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'll be back with some hot takes from this experience next week.
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  SPEAKER_02: So thanks for coming on.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if you can recommend a friend to this podcast, I'd really appreciate it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It'd be great to see the numbers growing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It'd be really, really brilliant for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when I've been putting this podcast together,
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought that I would just go and go through it,
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  SPEAKER_02: through the themes under the lime flower tree because it's blossoming.
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  SPEAKER_02: And usually I pick it this time of year.
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  SPEAKER_02: But when I went to the lime flower tree, it had these tiny brown spots on the flowers.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I didn't pick it but I just laid under it and as I laid under it I remembered
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  SPEAKER_02: the Seed Sisters telling me that back in the day if we had a dispute,
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  SPEAKER_02: if the villagers had a dispute then it would be taken to the lime tree and the
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  SPEAKER_02: dispute would be discussed under the lime tree.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm just putting the magic of the lime out there, I'm intending
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  SPEAKER_02: the magic of the line out there for you,
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  SPEAKER_02: Noah,
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  SPEAKER_02: for your teachers,
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  SPEAKER_02: for everyone that's been involved in this altercation,
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  SPEAKER_02: that you can really listen to each other and you can really understand where your actions,
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  SPEAKER_02: like what your actions look like from the outside when you're a big,
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  SPEAKER_02: strong teenage boy.
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  SPEAKER_02: here we are and it's midsummer just past we've had the full moon we've had the sun
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  SPEAKER_02: suspended in the sky you know the solstice means sol sun ice stillness like frozen
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  SPEAKER_02: and the solstices is when the sun stays still in the sky i think for about three
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  SPEAKER_02: days
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  SPEAKER_02: And so this is when the sun, when this is the most daylight hours of the year.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's such a time to celebrate.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I talked a lot about that in the last podcast,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I thought as this is going out,
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  SPEAKER_02: it'll be a week past solstice or more by the time this comes out.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I've been thinking about the shadow of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've been thinking about the excess and the energy that we don't know what to do
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  SPEAKER_02: with and the lack of control and all those kind of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's why I started thinking about this week's story.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this week's story,
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  SPEAKER_02: there's a Hans Christian Andersen version,
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  SPEAKER_02: but also this story most famously,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think,
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  SPEAKER_02: in recent times has been in the great book Women Who Run With the Wolves.
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  SPEAKER_02: By Clarissa Pinkola Estes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I went to train with her in Colorado and she asked that we call her Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: E because she says no one pronounces her name correctly.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to call her Dr. E from now on.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've had my book 30 years, something like that, probably.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a really amazing resource in my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And certainly meeting with her and training with her was an extraordinary
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  SPEAKER_02: experience for me where I just felt like there's my lineage.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're my people.
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  SPEAKER_02: I tell stories from the same well as you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then when I got back,
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  SPEAKER_02: I was looking around and thinking,
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  SPEAKER_02: lots of women have this book,
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  SPEAKER_02: lots of women know this book,
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  SPEAKER_02: but not many men.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I asked my friend,
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  SPEAKER_02: who's a man and pretty sensitive and connected,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I said,
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  SPEAKER_02: have you ever read Women Who Run With The Wolves?
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  SPEAKER_02: And he said, no, but it's been on the bedside table of every woman I've ever slept with.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that got me thinking, gets me thinking about
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  SPEAKER_02: yeah women are reading this deep deep book and how to share it how to share it with
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  SPEAKER_02: everyone so I started running these courses based on women who run with a wall so
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  SPEAKER_02: we go through every story and um I've done some in person and some online and and
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  SPEAKER_02: that's been amazing yeah there's loads and loads of people who've had this book for
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  SPEAKER_02: years but it's a tomb it's a massive book and
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's great to just go through in a circle every single story.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really brilliant.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this story I've told many times in many different ways with music and with
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  SPEAKER_02: dancing and with all kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'm going to tell it and then we'll talk a little bit about disseminating it,
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  SPEAKER_02: looking into the depths of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because when I was training with Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: E,
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  SPEAKER_02: she said that she didn't want anyone to tell the stories in her book without
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  SPEAKER_02: breaking them down afterwards,
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  SPEAKER_02: their deeper meaning.
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  SPEAKER_02: So here we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I feel like a marvelous child Sometimes I feel like a marvelous child
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I feel like a marvelous child
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  SPEAKER_00: A long, long way from home.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's what she was.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was a motherless child who had no shoes.
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  SPEAKER_02: But she was resourceful and canny.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she loved collecting little scraps of fabric.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she knew that one day she'd do something with those scraps of fabric.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she began to collect and notice that red was the colour that she liked the best.
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  SPEAKER_02: A little bit of ribbon here or silk there, a piece of thread there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as she gathered them all up and began to stitch them together, she knew what she was making.
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  SPEAKER_02: she was making a pair of red shoes and they were pretty rough and they were ragged
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  SPEAKER_02: and they were crude but she loved them and she was proud of them and even though
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  SPEAKER_02: she still had to work really hard like sometimes she was out till after dark
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  SPEAKER_02: digging in the earth trying to find roots that her and her family could eat
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  SPEAKER_02: And often she went to bed and her stomach would be bang, bang, banging with hunger.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was still living a fine life.
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  SPEAKER_02: But as she was walking through the woods one day, a gilded carriage approached.
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  SPEAKER_02: Golden.
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  SPEAKER_02: Metal.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shining.
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  SPEAKER_02: The door opened and the face of an old woman appeared.
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  SPEAKER_02: She told her that she was going to take her home and treat her like her own little girl.
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  SPEAKER_02: She told her that she would have everything she needed,
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  SPEAKER_02: that she would have a fine life of richness and splendour.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so the girl walked in to the carriage.
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  SPEAKER_02: and the door closed behind her, and off they went.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so to the wealthy woman's house they went.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there the first thing they did was to run her a bath.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they soaked her and scrubbed her and cleaned her and clubbed her and scrubbed
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  SPEAKER_02: her and cleaned her and scraped her.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they brushed all the tangles out of her hair and they plaited it so that her
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  SPEAKER_02: eyebrows were even higher on her forehead.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she was given white underwear and a fine woolen dress,
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  SPEAKER_02: a bit itchy,
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  SPEAKER_02: and white,
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  white,
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  SPEAKER_02: white socks and black shiny shoes.
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  SPEAKER_02: what where are my red shoes what those oh they were good for nothing we threw them
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  SPEAKER_02: on the fire think no more of it you're much better off with these the shoes you had
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  SPEAKER_02: on they were they were stiff how does anyone ever walk in these and the manners oh
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  SPEAKER_02: my goodness you
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  SPEAKER_02: to say this at this time and that at that time and nod her head this way and stand
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  SPEAKER_02: up at that moment and eat her food like this and not speak unless she was spoken to
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  SPEAKER_02: but not ignore anyone if they spoke to her because that would be rude and...
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  SPEAKER_02: And all of the energy that would have gone out,
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  SPEAKER_02: all of the laughs and the cackles and the spits and all of it began to get pushed inside.
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  SPEAKER_02: And inside it began to grow like a secret fire.
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  SPEAKER_02: Inside it began to grow like knives pointing inwards.
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  SPEAKER_02: Inside it began to grow.
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  SPEAKER_02: now when the girl became old enough to be confirmed the old woman decided that she
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  SPEAKER_02: would take her herself to buy her a brand-new pair of shoes so they went to the
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  SPEAKER_02: house of the crippled shoemaker
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  SPEAKER_02: Now this old woman, she couldn't see very well.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the girl saw them.
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  SPEAKER_02: She saw them straight away.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the case on the window, there were a pair of shining red shoes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Red like lipstick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Red like glamour.
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  SPEAKER_02: Red like blood.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she put on those shoes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as she put them on, she noticed that the old woman couldn't see the colour.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are they black?
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  SPEAKER_01: she said.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, said the girl.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so the shoes were bought.
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  SPEAKER_02: And off they went, with a little wink from the shoemaker.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now the next day, everyone at church... Oh, look at... Oh, no...
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  SPEAKER_02: Scandalous.
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  SPEAKER_02: They stared and they whispered and even the angels on the walls looked down and
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  SPEAKER_02: tutted at the girl as she strode past.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the girl loved the shoes.
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  SPEAKER_02: She loved the shoes even more for the attention she was getting.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when the choir hummed and the vicar spoke and the organ pumped, the child thought nothing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Only thoughts for her beautiful shoes filled her mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: But by the end of the day,
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  SPEAKER_02: the old woman had been told more than once about the shoes that she'd been wearing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the woman was furious.
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  SPEAKER_01: After all I've done for you,
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  SPEAKER_01: after everything I've done for you,
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  SPEAKER_01: after all I've done,
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  SPEAKER_02: she said as she slammed the shoes on a high shelf.
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  SPEAKER_02: Never wear them again, she warned.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the next Sunday came and the girl couldn't help it.
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  SPEAKER_02: She chose the red shoes over the black ones and they walked to church.
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  SPEAKER_02: But at the door of the church there was an old soldier.
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  SPEAKER_02: He had his arm in a sling and wore a little jacket and had a red beard.
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  SPEAKER_02: He bowed and said, can I just dust your precious shoes?
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  SPEAKER_02: And the girl,
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  SPEAKER_02: she put her feet out straight away and he tapped the soles of her shoes with a
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  SPEAKER_02: little wigger jig song that made her soles itch.
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  SPEAKER_02: Remember to stay for the dance, he smiled.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he winked at her too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, everybody stared and whispered and disapproved of her shoes.
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  SPEAKER_02: But she loved them.
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  SPEAKER_02: They were bright like berries.
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  SPEAKER_02: They were bright like raspberries.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bright like pomegranates.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bright like strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bright like summer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bright like hot heat.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she could hardly think of anything as she wore them.
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  SPEAKER_02: She just lifted them and admired them and looked and watched the attention and she loved it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But she forgot to sing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as she was moving to leave the church, the soldier called out, what beautiful dancing shoes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she took a little turn right there to show off that, yes, they were dancing shoes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she knew how to dance.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so she span and she turned and she twisted and she pointed and she jumped and
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  SPEAKER_02: she leapt in the air and she waltzed and she waltzed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But once they began to move, they wouldn't stop.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she danced and trampled all the flower beds and she danced over the gravestones.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was like she totally lost control.
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  SPEAKER_02: She danced and danced and danced to a field across the way.
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  SPEAKER_02: The old woman's coachman could see what was happening and he ran after her and he
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  SPEAKER_02: picked her up and he carried her back to the carriage.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the shoes were still dancing and the feet in them were still dancing,
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  SPEAKER_02: even though he had her pinned down to the floor.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was legs in the air, petticoat akimbo, shaking and shouting and her legs kicking up and kicking up.
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  SPEAKER_02: And finally they got her shoes off and her feet calmed down.
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  SPEAKER_02: What a scene it had been.
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  SPEAKER_01: The fury of the old woman.
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  SPEAKER_01: I took you in, out of the goodness of my own heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you do this to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: You do this to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she slammed the red shoes down when they got home and said, never touch them again.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they seemed to whisper at her from the cupboard.
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  SPEAKER_02: and she would open the cupboard at night and even in the dark they shone like wildness,
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  SPEAKER_02: they shone like madness,
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  SPEAKER_02: they shone like hot pokers,
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  SPEAKER_02: they shone like bright red things shine.
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  SPEAKER_02: She thought that they were the most beautiful things on the face of the earth and
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  SPEAKER_02: she thought of nothing else.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the old woman was becoming ill.
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  SPEAKER_02: So she stayed to her bed and the girl saw her chance and she took those shoes off
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  SPEAKER_02: and she thought,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll just wear them for a moment.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll just wear them whilst I'm in the house.
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  SPEAKER_02: I might even not put them on.
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  SPEAKER_02: I might just look at them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she looked at them and the gaze became a longing and a power and her arms
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  SPEAKER_02: reached out and she had put them onto her feet before she knew it.
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  SPEAKER_02: What?
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  SPEAKER_02: harm can I do?
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  SPEAKER_02: Just putting on a pair of shoes, she thought.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as soon as she put them on, she wanted to point her feet.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as soon as she put them on, she wanted to move and to dance.
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  SPEAKER_02: So she did.
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  SPEAKER_02: She danced.
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  SPEAKER_02: She put some music on and she danced.
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  SPEAKER_02: She danced around her room and she danced downstairs and she turned and she danced
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  SPEAKER_02: and she kicked and she span and she
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  SPEAKER_02: danced it was a wild dance and a happy dance and a vigorous dance oh she danced
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  SPEAKER_02: she didn't know she was in any trouble she was enjoying herself so much but then
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  SPEAKER_02: she tried to turn one way and the shoes didn't the shoes turned the other way and
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  SPEAKER_02: then she tried to slow down a bit she was out of breath but the shoes they wouldn't
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  SPEAKER_02: slow down they were going faster and faster and faster and faster and she wanted to
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  SPEAKER_02: go that way but they insisted on going ahead ahead ahead and they were dancing her
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  SPEAKER_02: they were dancing her down the road and they were dancing her
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  SPEAKER_02: out and across the fields and into the forest.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you don't enter the forest, your life will never begin.
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  You must.
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  SPEAKER_01: You must enter the forest or your life will never begin.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she saw him there, that soldier.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he looked at her.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my, he said.
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  SPEAKER_02: What beautiful dancing shoes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she was so scared.
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  SPEAKER_02: She tried to pull the shoes off there and then, but she couldn't.
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  SPEAKER_02: She tried.
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  SPEAKER_02: She kept trying to pull them off, but she couldn't pull them off.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she hopped on one foot and trying to take the other one off.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she was on the other, but nothing.
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  SPEAKER_02: They were stuck to the ground and still dance and dance and dance.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she danced over the hills and she danced over the valleys.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she danced through night and she danced through sunrise.
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  SPEAKER_02: twilight but it wasn't good dancing anymore it was terrible dancing it was horrible
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  SPEAKER_02: dancing she couldn't stop and she wanted to stop and the days were going and
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  SPEAKER_02: turning and the hours were moving and she couldn't stop and she couldn't stop and
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: she could not stop she danced into the churchyard
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: You cannot enter here, said the spirit of dread.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: And she was clinging to the railings, trying, trying, trying, reaching, reaching for help.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: You shall dance in your red shoes until you become like a wraith.
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  SPEAKER_02: like a ghost till your skin hangs from your bones till there's nothing left of you
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: but entrails dancing you'll dance door to door through all the villages and you'll
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: strike each door three times and when people peer out and look at you they'll think
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: thank god it's not me thank god it's not me dance red shoes you shall dance and she
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: begged for mercy but her fingers were
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: ripping away from the pole off she was dancing again over and over through the
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: nettle she danced and they spiked and they scratched her still she was dancing and
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: she was she was back at her old house but what what was this there was a coffin
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: there was a it must have been the funeral of the old lady and there was a pang and
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: movement inside her and she wanted to stay but she couldn't she just kept on
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: dancing
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: So she danced on and she danced on and she was exhausted and she was horrified and
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: she danced into the forest,
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: the forest where the executioner lived.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: And he knew something needed cutting because the axe on the wall began to tremble.
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  SPEAKER_02: Please, she begged the executioner as she danced by his door, please, please cut off my shoes, please.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: And he knew it was the right thing to do because the axe was gleaming.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so he sliced through the straps, but they stayed on her feet.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: They wouldn't move.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: They wouldn't budge.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: And still she was dancing and she was frightened and she was dancing.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so she said, my feet, my feet, just do it.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: Just do it.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Just do it.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: My life is worth nothing.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: My life is worth nothing.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: So he cut off her feet.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: and the red shoes kept dancing off and out of sight and the girl she was a cripple
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: and she bled in the earth and she had to find her own way in the world
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: And she was never again wishing for red shoes.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: She never again wished.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Someone's at the door, but I'm just going to have to ignore it.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so they seem quite insistent, but you know, if they're a good friend, they know where the key is.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll just have to let themselves in and then we'll have to take it from there, my friends.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: So then, um,
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's a brutal ending, isn't it?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's such a brutal ending.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I know that in the book,
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: E says that what she does is that she slowly finds her way back,
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: that her feet grow back.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I love this notion of the feet growing back.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: um and um that and i wonder how i can think of addiction because that's why i
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: really chose this it's no he's one in a minute he'll kind of clock that um i'm
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: recording a podcast and he'll maybe be a bit quiet but um
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: I hope for that.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: So she just, she's there.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: She's crippled.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: And like we all have been,
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: like we all have been in these moments where our patterns,
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: our addictions,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: our ways of being,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: they don't work for us anymore,
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: you know.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: They don't work for us anymore.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: And we have to say goodbye to them.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: But there's an or they kill us or they kill a part of us.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: And there's no way of reclaiming or getting that back into balance.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: We have to just chop it away.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then it takes time.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: It takes time for that to grow back.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: It takes time for us to
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Find out what it was within us that we started to put this addiction on top of and
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: feel those places and find deeper underneath that what brought us joy,
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: what our simple pleasure was,
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: how we reached for those little scraps in the first place.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: So she goes through that process where she begins to reach for the scraps again.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: And Dr.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: E says that if she was left to her own devices,
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: she would have made more shoes and more shoes and more shoes.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, the first one is crude.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: And remember that when we start anything,
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: when we try anything,
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: remember that because the first one's crude and the second one's better and then
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: better again.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: So.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: She will find her way and we will find our way in whatever has been lost to us and
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: whatever moves back in for us.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: We can use our inventiveness and our creativity to create a handmade life for ourself.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: So let's just feel for ourselves for a moment.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: What is it that brings us a simple pleasure?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: What kind of creating brings us a simple pleasure?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: Is it a stitch or a drawn line or making a shape with pebbles on the beach?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: And let's allow our real tiny young places to remember those moments in life,
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: to redo them so that we can stay in relationship with those places.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now,
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: E,
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: she has 30 pages of dissemination in here and it's all really,
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: really fascinating and interesting,
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm not going to go through
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: All of them on this podcast or any of them,
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just going to tell you from my experience and from what I remember what this
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: story can mean.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm thinking about the carriage coming along and the times in our life where we
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: have gone for the soulless because it's been lucrative or it's looked good in some way.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: And it's felt choiceless.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think she felt like she had any choice but to get into that carriage.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: And so to go back to those places in ourselves and remember we've got choice.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: And she certainly will say no next time.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: And thinking about this woman that lives with us on the inside,
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: the one that tells us that we can't be wild and we can't be natural and that
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: handmade life is a waste of time.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: it's so so so important to really understand that um if our soul is starved it will
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: reach for poison if our soul is starved it does reach for things that become
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: addictive so in order to feed the soul however silly it might seem or feel it's
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: just so important
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: And she talks a little bit about instinct injury, which is something that happens in the book.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: She talks about it in the book quite a lot,
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: where you've already...
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: So she gets into the gilded carriage,
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: and that is the moment when she ignores her instincts.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because if her instincts were awake or alive,
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: or she was connected with them in that moment,
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: she would have gone,
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: no thanks,
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: thanks,
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: but no thanks.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: But she hungers for something else, something she's been told she needs.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so she steps in.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: What harm can she do?
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, she's going to be rich.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: She's going to be whatever.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: But she can't make any good choices after that because there's a place where she
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: hasn't listened to her instinct.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: So it creates a separation with the way that she listens to her instinct.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: So it's injured.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then when your instincts aren't in place, then it's really hard to make good choices for yourself.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's lots of other great stuff in this book.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: I've just kind of surmised a little bit for you.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: I hope enough.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I wanted this to be a bit of a skinny pod because it's the bonus one because
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be away at the festival and I can hear Noah's making all kinds of noises.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll have to see what he's up to.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I will be doing something similar at the end of September with another story from this book.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it's the story that we worked most with when I was in Colorado.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's The Handless Maiden.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: And at the Chalice Well in January,
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: we went through the story,
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: taking it in pieces and crafting with it and creating ritual with it and sharing
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: and circle stories.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: And so I'm doing that.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: um in wales in this gorgeous place in wales in pembrokeshire um at the end of
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: september the last weekend of september for three nights so if you want to come and
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: join me and work on these stories in different ways i'd really love to have you
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: i've got a few spaces left so get in touch
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's all I've got to say today.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: Love you all.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: Great.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just kind of feeling out like the tendrils of myself,
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: just kind of feeling out to who I might be talking to.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: So let me know who you are, if you're listening, so that I can fill you in these etheric realms.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: Have a brilliant time.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: Come and see me if you catch this on Friday and you happen to be at Pilton at Glastonbury Festival.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: Then I'm in the teepee field, the structure with the golden mushroom on top.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: As I said before, come and say hello.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: Bless your lives.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: Bless your hearts.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll see you next week.