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HEADLINES: Surveillance for Sale - Border Cops, Deleting Data Brokers, and AI Crossing the Line · Nonsense with cj little and Jeff Parker

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  How's it going? I give my children a lot of
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  leeway when it comes to dinner. I'm like, what do you, what do
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  you guys want? You know, I'll make you whatever
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  you want. What do you?
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  Want chocolate covered marshmallows every dinner?
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  Very. Of course, that was Tuesday
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  nights. My youngest says Daddy, I I want
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  those. You know, those Oval things you
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  sometimes make, but not often. Oval things.
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  I said Oval, I said tacos. He said no, the Oval things.
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  And I was like, what do you make burritos?
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  And he goes and he gets really upset.
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  He goes no, the Oval things they are round.
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  And I said, well, tacos and burritos are round buddy.
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  Like, like those they qualify and he's about to just unleash
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  on me. My wife from the other room goes
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  enchiladas and Jack goes yeah, yeah, See, Mommy knows I was
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  like, how did you get the enchiladas?
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  I don't understand. I did the tacos and the.
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  Burritos are enchiladas Oval. No, they're not Oval.
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  Are tacos Oval? No, they're.
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  Round Meanwhile, Johannes Kepler, my son, The season is
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  over. Quiet, please.
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  So apparently he wants Oval enchiladas in full.
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  This is my life 3. This is every day of my life 2.
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  The Apple Company presents a truly terrible podcast.
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  Welcome to Nonsense Season 4, episode 6.
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  I'm Jeff Parker. I'm Sue Little.
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  This is our. Take in the week's business,
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  tech and entertainment headlines.
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  This time, the end of anonymity. ICE bypasses warrants with new
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  data tools. Who needs warrants?
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  Warrants. That's so 2000.
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  California gets a new data broker breaker I.
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  Double dare you to say that 5. Times fast and the undressing of
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  Grok as a legal storm hits Twitter X.
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  Please don't undress Grok. I saw that one picture of Musk
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  on the boat. Now please don't.
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  Also, a big story later this week is about beyond the
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  chatbot. Why?
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  2026 is the year AI finally stopped talking and started
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  doing that's. Potentially ominous when you put
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  it that way. By the.
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  Way it's international Holocaust Remembrance Day commemorating
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  the victims of the Holocaust resulting in the genocide of 1/3
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  of the Jewish people along with countless individuals of other
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  minority groups by Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945.
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  The Nazis, for those who might not remember, developed their
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  ideology based on racism and pursuit of German territorial
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  mansion and also in an attempt to force all German Jews to
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  immigrate regardless of means. They passed anti Jewish laws and
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  encouraged harassment. However, by October 1941, the
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  Nazi government actually banned Jewish immigration entirely.
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  The policy shifted from forced expulsion to the Final Solution,
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  the systematic state sponsored industrial murder of the Jewish
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  people. The Holocaust remains the best
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  documented genocide in human history.
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  The choice of January 27th for the annual commemoration aligns
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  with the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration kept by
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  the Red Army in 1945. You know, it's always a very
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  interesting story when the protagonist is the Red Army.
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  You're like the Red Army. You're like, oh, the good guy.
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  Oh, wait. Really.
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  Well, that's yeah. OK.
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  What a warm start to the show. Warm but important.
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  How is your? Week going.
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  I gotta follow International Holocaust Remembrance Day.
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  Sorry. Well, you know me, normally I
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  would tell you my week is going great.
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  And I'll tell you about some ridiculousness that my children
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  have done. But this one, you know, it's
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  been a little rough. Yeah.
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  Hasn't been hasn't been the week that I I was hoping for.
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  What's going on? It's extremely.
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  Hard for me to watch what appears, at least to me, to be
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  folks that have been granted extreme authority and power,
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  including the use of deadly force, while not being provided
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  the necessary training to wield said force.
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  Yeah, it does not appear that they're gonna be held
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  accountable for their actions either.
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  What's going on in Minnesota that's talking about?
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  Minnesota, Yeah. Yeah, if you've been under a
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  rock. And then just the sheer amount
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  of gymnastics that some folks are doing to disregard their
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  senses is absolutely staggering to me.
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  Yeah. Their leaders insist they reject
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  the evidence of their own eyes and ears, and that is truly
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  their final, most essential command.
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  So kind of hard to not see the world through that looking
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  glass. Yeah, in many cases I'm sure
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  they're not even looking at the videos too, so that they can
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  know the reality. They don't want to look at the
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  videos, they want to just believe what they're told.
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  Yeah, I don't want to see that. Like, why wouldn't you want to
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  see that? Why wouldn't you want to see
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  what's happening in the world? It's not AI 2.
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  Thirds of the murders so far this year in Minneapolis have
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  been committed by ICE. Wow.
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  So on that happy note, I really hope that your week has been
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  better. My dog turned 9, I got him a new
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  Willow basket full of toys so our weeks are very similar.
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  Wait, A Willow basket? You got him a Willow.
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  Basket yeah, 'cause you celebrate 9th anniversary with
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  Willow, something that's, you know, Strong does.
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  Barkley look at you with disdain if you get him the wrong thing.
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  He's like, this is Wicker. He.
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  Does he's got a tremendous amount of attitude, this is.
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  Wicker, This is the 9th year I'm keeping track.
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  If a dog ages 7 years for every human year, Barkley is now a
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  year older than me. Oh wow.
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  Really. Yeah, he's overtaken.
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  You. He's overtaken me with his
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  superior elder wisdom. He wants us to know that
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  declaring war on one of our states is a terrible idea and
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  that the rest of the states need to immediately stand up for
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  Minnesota first. They came for a cold state, and
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  I did nothing because I was not a cold state.
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  It's. Minnesota.
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  Can you name a nicer state in the union?
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  I don't think there is one. They're basically Canadians
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  almost also. Barkley would like to remind us
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  that it's been 39 days since the December 19th, 2025 deadline for
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  the full release of the Epstein files.
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  So far, the Department of Justice has released less than
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  1% of those files. I mean Barkley. 9 year old
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  Barkley is apparently very worldly.
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  Yeah, I would say he's he's definitely come into his own.
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  I hear he's a little pushy. If I if I might add, I like it.
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  I like this bar. He's pushy, but he's definitely
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  right. His dates are right, He's got
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  percentages right. He's done some research.
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  Does he have any comments about the upcoming Olympic venues?
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  Because I feel like you might have something to say about
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  that. He says go Olympics.
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  He can't wait to watch him. Let's get to our headlines,
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  shall we? Sure.
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  ICE eyes ad tech turning smartphones into surveillance
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  beacons the US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement ICE is
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  moving to weaponize the digital advertising ecosystem, according
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  to a new federal notice. The agency is scouting for AD
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  tech and big data tools to supercharge its investigative
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  reach. By tapping into the massive
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  streams of commercial data used to sell shoes and apps, ICE aims
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  to bypass traditional warrants. Those tools can harvest precise
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  location, history, app usage, and digital footprints from
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  hundreds of millions of mobile devices while marketing for
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  consumer analytics. This data provides A backdoor
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  surveillance pipeline for real time tracking and mass scale
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  profiling. Privacy advocates warn that this
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  surveillance shopping spree effectively turns the private
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  sector into a government informant, eroding 4th Amendment
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  protections for immigrants and citizens alike.
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  So. This is going to be one of those
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  unhappy shows, right? Normally the 4th Amendment
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  requires a warrant for location tracking, and so by buying this
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  data from data brokers, they're effectively skipping that part.
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  Sure, and they're just getting the data without the warrant.
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  Yeah, and ICE is far from the first government organization to
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  do this way. Far got a real situation
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  happening in soda that's of import.
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  Oh sure, no, I mean you are telling the future that is a a
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  bleaker 1, not a rosier. One and they argue that because
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  the data was voluntarily shared with the app, it's no longer
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  private since advertisers can buy it.
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  Why can't they? And of course, the people who
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  have this information will gleefully take a, you know, a
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  check. For it.
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  Well, yeah, of course. I mean that's their business,
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  right? I can follow the dots there.
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  I I understand this. I don't know maybe some sort of
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  regulation or somebody to help protect us in mass so that you
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  could not participate in these things.
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  But hey, if you played Candy Crush once, tools ISIS.
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  Scouting such as tangles and weblock don't rely on cellular
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  towers. They harvest data from hidden
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  bit streams of digital ads. This means that even if you have
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  location services turned off from most apps, the background
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  auctions that load ads in games or weather apps may still be
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  broadcasting your precise coordinates to the highest bid.
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  Yeah. So that's not great.
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  It allows you to know who's attended a you know, a, a
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  geographical location. If they attended a a protest or
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  something, you could know all those names you can know.
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  All those because of an ad that was shown on their weather app.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  We're doing great. Then they go and sleep at home
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  in their bed and you know where they live.
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  Yes. Well, yes, you do.
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  You got to connect some dots on that.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  No, you're right. I had to walk through my brain.
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  Dots. Yeah, not very big dots.
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  You're right. Now that's most most of these
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  places, not all. Most of them don't expose the
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  date of that granular right you get.
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  You're supposed to get the date in aggregate, but like, I'll bet
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  a dollar to a doughnut that they don't all.
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  If I'm getting your location and your location history, where
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  you're at from those ads, yes, I can identify who you are and
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  where you are and where you're going.
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  Yeah. It switches the paradigm from
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  investigating a crime to surveilling a population.
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  Of course, that's a big difference.
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  Yeah, of course. My, the only point that I'm I'm
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  I'm very poorly making is that typically that data's supposed
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  to be anonymized and and sold in bulks that you're seeing.
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  How many people were in this? That's.
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  Exactly what they'll tell you, but it's super easy to de
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  anonymize it well for them it hardly takes any effort at all.
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  It's anonymized in in theory, they should do a good job on
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  these things and not not let you follow the same person
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  throughout. The reality is, yeah, just they
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  do it to police that. Yeah, of course.
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  Yeah, they absolutely do. Yeah, that that does not seem
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  like a big stretch. People were at a protest and now
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  people who are at home and sleeping, and now I can connect
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  the dots and I know who's who. Yeah, ready to go.
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  OK, so the future is bright. Keep going.
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  The interesting thing I think about this is the lucrative
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  partnership, yeah, between the government and spy tech vendors
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  like Palantir and Penn Link. And celebrate.
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  Those companies have a real financial incentive to harvest
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  as much data as possible and then pass it on to whoever will
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  buy it. And that, in this case, is the
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  US government. I'm not trying to make this
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  appear less bad than it is, but like we've also been doing this
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  for 20 effing years to private parties.
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  But now it's being used by the government.
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  That's, yeah, another step. But again, like, this is like
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  the fine folks. DFF told us this 20 years ago.
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  We were. Just for sure, for sure.
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  I want to play Candy Crush. Let me just say yes, look at
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  that look at all the candies they come down.
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  It's so much fun, like. All right, well, this is the bed
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  we made the. Government's already monitoring
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  social media and digital movements in real time.
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  It creates a chilling effect where people hesitate to attend
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  to protest or visit a Community Center or post their political
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  views because they know their digital footprint is being
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  ingested by an enforcement agency's sentiment analysis
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  tool. It, I think it is time for all
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  of us to just, to just buck up and own it.
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  And we, we have to write a letter signed by all of us that
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  says, yeah, dear RMS, you were right, love.
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  All of us people who don't know who Richard Stallman is or is.
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  I was gonna say I almost said it was, but he's still alive.
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  Richard Stallman was saying for years, all of this data that
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  that you are giving away freely to all of these social media
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  companies, this is going to come back and bite you.
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  Yeah. And he's right.
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  Anyway, you're absolutely correct.
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  The EFS have been screaming at us for, you know, gotta be a
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  couple, nearly a couple decades. 3 decades, yeah.
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  But for the most. Part we dismissed them, No.
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  Since at least the 90s, right? Yeah.
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  Because we like sharing pictures of what we're about to eat.
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  Yes, look at the cat pictures. Look how cute it is.
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  It's cute. Oh look, that one's got a
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  little. It's got a little pumpkin on its
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  head. How cute is that?
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  Social media folks, Maybe not. California's launched a game
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  changing tool called Drop, Delete Request, an opt out
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  platform, a first of its kind weapon against shadowy data
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  brokers. The process is simple.
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  Californians. Visit privacydot.ca.gov/drop to
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  verify their identity and submit a single request.
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  Starting August 1st, over 500 registered brokers must scrub
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  that user's personal info from browsing history and geolocation
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  to sensitive health data or face fines of $200 per day.
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  While it doesn't stop initial data collection or cover public
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  records, advocates hail it as a massive win for reclaiming
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  digital autonomy. By hitting Delete, residents can
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  slash spam, block predatory marketing, and keep their
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  private lives out of the hands of fraudsters and foreign
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  actors. Your data is yours again, at
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  least until you create some more of it.
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  As soon as you buy a new phone, the whole thing starts over.
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  OK, Yeah, but a couple things. One, this is just another
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  example of the the messy bureaucracy of California just
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  getting in the way of those data brokers rights to sell your
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  data. Sure.
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  They're just restricting. Do we not want data broker
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  businesses in California? Are we gonna push them all to
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  Texas? Is that what we're gonna do?
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  Well, no, They. Don't have to be in California,
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  but they do it to be licensed in California.
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  They're gonna collect Californians.
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  Yeah, data as we put that. Into effect a couple of years
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  ago where we said if you want to operate in California, you have
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  to register. So again, right, Just more
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  bureaucratic administration, creative oversight.
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  Oh, but wait, now we get to actually get some controls for
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  the people whose data is being flushed out the other side.
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  Y'all are gonna wish. You lived in California?
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  Yeah, this is just. Such a great example.
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  We're like I'm and I'll be the absolute first to admit we
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  certainly have problems in California, but I look at stuff
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  like this and I'm like, wow, we are literally leading the
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  charge, at least in the states. There's other countries,
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  certainly the the EU has done some progression on this, but we
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  are the EU has actually. Done more than California for
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  sure. But fine, I'm I'm happy that
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  we're we're starting somewhere. Yeah, sure, sure, sure.
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  But it is, by the way, United States.
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  All this Bureau. Bureaucracy, you know,
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  administrative red tape that California imposes upon its
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  people was a ballot measure that we all voted on.
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  So I would argue the people actually want this.
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  Yeah, this drop platform looks incredible and yes, you might
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  want to establish temporary residency in California, be able
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  to put on it because you don't you literally don't have a
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  choice in any other state. There's no way to achieve this
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  whereas here. Yet they.
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  May come yet, of course. They don't no not make them
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  long. They will come along, a bunch of
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  them. Will Europe was there before us?
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  Yeah, of course. Right now as AUS citizen you
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  don't have an an option to enforce any rights on this
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  unless you're a California. Not for a.
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  While you've got until August before it kicks fine, they've
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  given. Them some time I can understand.
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  I think that's the right thing to do.
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  But this is This is pretty awesome data in a.
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  Database, you can move it very quickly.
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  Yeah, for sure. Now I'm.
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  Still assuming there's gonna be a decent amount of nefarious
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  Gray market, our course of course stuff going there'll be.
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  Tons of fly by, not operators who are not registered in
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  California who just squirrel away with the data as well.
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  And they'll get sued and they'll go out of business and they'll
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  pop up again as a new business. That's the hope.
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  Well, not the last part, the nice thing.
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  Is those companies can be reported the California privacy
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  Protection Agency, yes, to trigger an investigation into
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  them, which is great. Does not cover businesses by the
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  way, that directly collect the data like Amazon, Meta, your
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  bank, your grocery store. Those people are clear they can,
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  they can have all the data they want to be sure.
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  Yeah, the first, yeah, first party data.
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  Is a different story yeah, 'cause you've you've agreed to
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  that now in theory you can you can unagreed to those things a
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  lot of times on their. Website.
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  They'll have some place where you can have your.
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  You can tell them to delete your data, but good.
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  Luck in the service. Do they do it?
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  I have. No way of knowing.
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  I'm skeptical the 4th largest economy in the world would like
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  you to stop spreading people's data around freely.
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  Yes, now. Ironically, I think California
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  California should buy all the California people's names off
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  these lists and market to them drop before those names go on
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  the list. I feel like that would actually
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  be really effective. I don't think data.
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  Brokers need one more dollar coming to them.
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  No, we just have to. Inspect your list.
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  Something else stitching about drop.
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  I haven't gone through it yet, Obviously it's not launched, but
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  from what I've read it seems extremely well thought out,
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  which is not what I expect when it comes to government and
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  technology. I expect them to be woefully
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  behind, but you can submit your basic PII.
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  Very simple process, but the things that they were thoughtful
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  about impressed me. Like you can submit your typical
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  contact information, your e-mail addresses, your phone number,
• 13:50
  date of birth for sure. Yeah, that.
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  But that was kind of a surprise to me.
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  Like vehicle VIN. My first thought was like oh
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  crap how much data they pulling off my VIN tag You right like
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  things. That mark, I know it's.
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  Out there we've talked about some of the insurance data that
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  gets bought and purchased, but I'm like, oh I'm sure now for
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  sure bear in mind the story we covered.
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  But I think last year on this show, the people that were their
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  insurers were getting information about their car.
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  Remember they opted into that that was a different animal.
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  So I think that might be considered first party data
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  because they they opted into it for a different rate on their
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  financing or something like that.
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  Like it was not sure it was not a good deal.
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  Sure. So that's a different animal.
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  But yeah, it it, it seems to be really well done.
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  So I'm excited about this, this drop program.
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  Think of all the. Medical insurance companies and
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  the data that they can buy and they can find out about your
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  health so they can know whether or not they want to insure you.
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  I mean, do you? Even need that I mean now that
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  that now all that stuff's just on the dark web it seems so you
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  just want the dark web and just download how many users do you
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  like there? It's all there and there's no
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  repercussions for it to the folks that leaked it right.
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  The cost of doing business is literally a year of Experian
• 14:43
  credit monitoring. That is the the cost of doing
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  business these days. That cost I think $1.30 for the
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  year I think per user votes by the way.
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  Experian wants you to know that they're not Palin too.
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  Yeah, yeah. Wow, Yeah.
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  Did you see? That headline, yeah, that's
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  like. That's like Darth Vader being
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  like, I love the Emperor. Just to be clear, I'm just Darth
• 14:59
  Vader. I'm not the Emperor.
• 15:01
  You're like, Okie dokie, good job, Experian.
• 15:04
  Way to point that out. Here's a weird thing.
• 15:05
  We do with credit agencies generally as we allow them to
• 15:08
  market services to protect your credit.
• 15:10
  This is their job. They're supposed to keep your
• 15:11
  credit so that it's correct and right.
• 15:13
  Yes. And if you don't pay them, they
• 15:15
  don't put up the walls to keep people from actually market
• 15:18
  false information on your day actually marketed.
• 15:20
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 15:21
  So when you get a chance between now and August 1st, in fact, I
• 15:24
  wouldn't wait. Go ahead and sign yourself up on
• 15:25
  no Come on list. Now drop drop.
• 15:27
  If you get a chance. Between now and August 1st, go
• 15:29
  ahead and just move to California so you can get on the
• 15:31
  list. Well, if you're not F.
• 15:32
  One right? Yeah.
• 15:33
  Grok under fire The EU takes on Musk's AI Elon Musk's X is under
• 15:38
  fire As the EU launches a formal investigation into Grok, the
• 15:41
  platform's AI chatbot. The profile is a global outcry
• 15:45
  over Grok's ability to generate non consensual, sexually
• 15:48
  explicit deep fakes, including images that undress real people
• 15:51
  and depictions of minors. Regulators are scrutinizing
• 15:53
  whether X violated the Digital Services Act by failing to curb
• 15:56
  illegal content. While X claims a 0 tolerance
• 15:59
  policy and has restricted certain features to paying
• 16:01
  subscribers, officials dismissed these moves as insufficient.
• 16:04
  Adding to the pressure, the mother of one of Musk's children
• 16:07
  has sued X AI, alleging the tool created degrading images of her.
• 16:11
  With potential bans looming in multiple countries, Musk faces a
• 16:14
  high takes battle over AI safety and platform accountability.
• 16:18
  How is it? Possible that X is under fire
• 16:20
  when X itself is in fact on fire.
• 16:22
  So I don't know how that works. You can be under.
• 16:24
  Fire and on fire at the same. Time all the prepositions.
• 16:27
  Apply a lot of fire. The other thing that that
• 16:29
  strikes me is like this is going to be a huge blow I think to
• 16:33
  their monetization strategy. What my understanding of what
• 16:35
  they were going to do is that if you when people generated naked
• 16:39
  deep fakes of you, if you paid for the blue check mark, they
• 16:41
  would make them more attractive, which I think how that works you
• 16:44
  thinner. Which is not a.
• 16:45
  Terrible product ID if you think about it like if you're a blue
• 16:47
  like and then if you're not, that just makes you look a
• 16:49
  little chubby. Little more Gray hair, but if
• 16:52
  you pay for it, the rendering's better like.
• 16:54
  Like that picture of the woman they they arrested in Minnesota
• 16:57
  when they made her look like she was crying at her arrest.
• 17:00
  Which didn't pay for the blue check mark, by the way.
• 17:01
  The government should not be in the business of doing this kind
• 17:04
  of thing of disinformation. Oh, yes, Sir.
• 17:07
  May I direct you back to the top of the show, 'cause we had a
• 17:09
  government used to do a lot of that too, But anyway.
• 17:12
  Yeah, that was nuts. But if had you paid for the blue
• 17:14
  check mark, it wouldn't that wouldn't happened.
• 17:16
  She had a big smile. She went in Tahiti on a on a
• 17:19
  lounge chair with a Mai Tai would've been great.
• 17:21
  Maybe not the. Government did not want her to
• 17:22
  look like she was happy. What?
• 17:24
  Other point is there to the blue check mark.
• 17:27
  These days, you don't know. I'm not on, I'm not on X or
• 17:30
  Twitter or any of that stuff. I don't.
• 17:31
  I don't even pay literally means.
• 17:32
  You pay for the check mark. That's all it means.
• 17:34
  What's a blue check mark? I don't even, I don't even
• 17:35
  follow that anymore. It's I'm so out of touch.
• 17:38
  I don't know. What it means anymore?
• 17:39
  Yeah, it's all, it's all SUS. Do they have other?
• 17:41
  Colored checkmarks I respectfully.
• 17:42
  Decline to answer that question. No that have other colored
• 17:45
  twist. It's just blue that's it.
• 17:46
  They kept the Twitter blue X is black but they you they could
• 17:49
  have a black check mark that piss off of all the maybe they
• 17:52
  had. Believers pay levels if you if
• 17:53
  you want the really deluxe gold check mark oh.
• 17:58
  True Social for that true social where you get the gold check
• 18:00
  mark comes with a free phone handmade in in the United
• 18:03
  States, they have another phone. Coming out, they have the Ultra
• 18:05
  coming out they've they announced another vaporware from
• 18:08
  Ultra T. One, did you see that they have
• 18:10
  another phone coming out? What better way to distract
• 18:14
  somebody from your first phone than by announcing a second
• 18:16
  phone? Yeah.
• 18:17
  Oh yeah. No, it has upgraded, upgraded
• 18:19
  better features. Which is amazing cause the first
• 18:21
  one had nothing, never existed. There's nowhere.
• 18:24
  To go you can only. Go up right?
• 18:26
  No. Can you please?
• 18:27
  Tell me about this thing quickly before my my head explodes.
• 18:30
  Oh yeah, it's. It's a great story.
• 18:31
  The guy who runs Trump mobile announced that there is going to
• 18:34
  be AT1 Ultra. Wait a more advanced I?
• 18:37
  Might need you to reach across table and punch me and throw it
• 18:39
  as hard as you can to wake. Yeah, because the quote that I'm
• 18:42
  seeing right now, this is this is a quote from from the from an
• 18:46
  executive from Trump Mobile, he said.
• 18:47
  We're focused on evolving with our customers by offering even
• 18:49
  more powerful tool that fits their lives.
• 18:51
  Sure. Our next major step is launch of
• 18:53
  the Ultra, a premium device that builds on the success of the
• 18:55
  original T1. What success there was.
• 18:58
  There, what are you talking about?
• 18:59
  T. One it still hasn't.
• 19:01
  Am I having a stroke? Have I been asleep?
• 19:03
  Have I been like in a coma for the past year?
• 19:05
  What's happened? It's a it's a minor grift for
• 19:08
  the Trump family. By the way, they they've
• 19:10
  profited some some $7 billion since being in office.
• 19:13
  This time around, so far, they're calling.
• 19:15
  It American proud design, yeah, which is completely different
• 19:18
  than the design by Apple in California and the same as.
• 19:21
  Google in Mountain View. Yeah, this is this.
• 19:22
  Is this is awesome. This is awesome.
• 19:24
  It'll be so. Different from our existing
• 19:26
  phones, in fact, it'll just be a white labeled version of an
• 19:28
  existing phone. Is it just going?
• 19:30
  To be more gold like I don't have my Pantone cards.
• 19:32
  Are there multiple shades of gold that I don't know about?
• 19:34
  Is it super gold? It's ultra Gold.
• 19:36
  What is it? I think for the Ultra you can
• 19:38
  charge a deposit of $150.00 for a whole yeah.
• 19:41
  There you go, I found. You never deliver there you.
• 19:44
  Go is it gonna come with a with a dock?
• 19:46
  Is the T1 Ultra gonna come with a custom made dock that will fit
• 19:49
  on my Tesla Roadster 2.0? Because I'd like to tie those
• 19:51
  two products together. Sure.
• 19:53
  Wowzers the ultra, that's to be the Max and maybe?
• 19:55
  They can charge 175 or $200 for the deposit for that that they
• 19:59
  never deliberately. It'll be great.
• 20:00
  I'm. Really excited about the TI
• 20:02
  Ultra this by the. Way is not a political show, but
• 20:03
  when you start using technology to grift, when you start using
• 20:07
  technology to track people who are doing things in the US,
• 20:11
  you're an RB. Yeah, OK.
• 20:12
  Hey, enough with the headlines. In fact, enough with this
• 20:14
  episode. We have to get out of here.
• 20:15
  Special thanks to our floor director, Matt Spitz.
• 20:18
  Oh. Thanks, Matt.
• 20:19
  We'll be back later. This week with our big story,
• 20:20
  the agentic takeover, how AI quietly moved from your screen
• 20:23
  to your bank account. Until then, thank you for
• 20:25
  listening to all this nonsense. I'm Jeff Parker, I'm still and
• 20:28
  the snoring you've been hearing in the background is 9 year old
• 20:30
  Barkley, 60. 3 year old Barkley, right?
• 20:33
  In dog years. Wait, hold on.
• 20:34
  You celebrate the anniversary. In human years I did.
• 20:36
  But his birthday in dog years, I didn't.
• 20:38
  Yeah, I didn't. I didn't do the calculation for
• 20:41
  his gift. He needs a birthday every month
• 20:43
  and 1/2 every every one dog year he needs a birthday with another
• 20:46
  gift he'll be getting. Diamonds soon and all that kind
• 20:48
  of stuff. It's all blinged out walking
• 20:52
  down the streets in Beverly Hills, huge studs getting hold
• 20:56
  of his neck as you. Get older, that's that
• 20:57
  anniversary stuff gets expensive it's.
• 20:59
  Expensive. Yeah, Basically, they're trying
• 21:01
  to break you up. I feel like that's what they're
• 21:02
  trying to do. Yeah, they're.
• 21:03
  Basically giving you reasons. To get out.
• 21:17
  Zircom's Rex 6000 Zircom's Rex. 6000 it's not hard.
• 21:22
  To make room for Zircom's latest PDA, the Rex 6000, because it
• 21:27
  weighs A scant 1.4 oz. And it's just a lid.
• 21:31
  This is APDA. That weighs one point.
• 21:33
  I mean, that's amazingly light. That is right.
• 21:34
  It's APDA that. Weighs 1.4 oz.
• 21:37
  Do you want that in grams? I can do it in grams for you.
• 21:39
  It's less than 40 grams. Yeah, that's mind.
• 21:41
  Blowing. Yeah, it's incredible and.
• 21:44
  It's just slightly bulkier than a credit card.
• 21:46
  Wow, the wreck 6000 ships with Are you ready?
• 21:48
  2 megabytes of internal memory. OK, and it's touch screen
• 21:53
  enables you to enter rather than just read data.
• 21:56
  Now I know you're laughing because you're thinking 2
• 21:58
  megabytes. That's enough for anybody.
• 22:00
  The 6000 syncs by sliding into your notebooks Type 2 PC card
• 22:04
  slot or via parallel and USB cradles for desktop.
• 22:08
  Use how nice the wreck. Starts at 200, $180 while
• 22:11
  versions bundled with apparel and USB docking cradles are
• 22:14
  priced slightly higher 'cause you gotta.
• 22:15
  Get the cradles, you gotta get the.
• 22:16
  Cradles. Unless you had a laptop then you
• 22:18
  probably need the cradles. Use the PC card slot type 2.
• 22:19
  Yeah, dude, this. Sounds amazing.
• 22:20
  You you really had me with APDA. That was 1.4 oz Yeah, so.
• 22:25
  First of all, this is all true now.
• 22:26
  This is true. And I'm I'm shocked that you're
• 22:28
  you're in the state of, of being shocked by this.
• 22:31
  I owned one of these. Oh, you did.
• 22:32
  I'm pretty sure you saw. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:33
  And I'll, I'll be honest, it was really good.
• 22:35
  It was really, really, really. This is the company.
• 22:37
  Intel killed, right? Oh, do I have that?
• 22:39
  Right, they bought a PDA company literally to just destroy it.
• 22:42
  Could have been. This one, can you just try to
• 22:44
  keep one part of the show happy or does everything have to come
• 22:46
  back to sorry this guy got cancer right?
• 22:51
  Intel just killed on the last. Jesus.
• 22:54
  Come on. OK, I think these may be the
• 22:57
  guys that that Intel tried to kill.
• 22:59
  Yeah, I don't care. But Intel did acquire Zircom for
• 23:00
  approximately $748 million in 2001.
• 23:04
  So your your recollection there was great kind of interesting.
• 23:06
  This thing was actually developed by the Citizen Watch
• 23:08
  Company of Japan. Sure.
• 23:09
  Which I did not know and found fascinating.
• 23:11
  Yeah. The earlier release of the Rex
• 23:13
  6000 had only one MB of flash memory.
• 23:16
  Wow. Which, like, Yeah, right.
• 23:17
  Now here's where it really gets nuts.
• 23:18
  The the earlier Rex's stored their user data in RAM, but the
• 23:23
  actual OS was in ROM. So it had like fixed memory ROM
• 23:26
  which gotcha for device that's small.
• 23:27
  Yeah, OK, I can understand the amount of RAM that it had was 32
• 23:31
  kilobytes, but only 12 kilobytes was available for application
• 23:34
  developers. So you were talking about like,
• 23:36
  no room. You're writing.
• 23:38
  Some tiny tiny tiny apps running the.
• 23:39
  Tiniest code at a 4.3 megahertz Toshiba microprocessor and it
• 23:44
  had a 240 by 120 pixel monochrome LCD and it would like
• 23:48
  deliver beeps for alarms and whatnot capacitive.
• 23:50
  Touch. What was the touch?
• 23:51
  No, it was not. I do not believe this thing was
• 23:53
  capacitive touch at all. It was pressure.
• 23:54
  Touch, pressure, touch. Yeah, the best part of this
• 23:56
  whole thing and again I owned one of these, is that the the
• 23:59
  the battery that's that powered it were two of those button
• 24:02
  style 2016 lithium cells, the little tiny watch bat those are
• 24:06
  even. The small ones, yeah, those are
• 24:07
  the tiny. Ones right.
• 24:08
  I think the the last two digits are the thickness of it.
• 24:10
  So the the the 2016 was a 1.6mm thick battery yeah bananas.
• 24:15
  It fit in a type 2 PC card slot and I'm telling you I used one
• 24:18
  it was great. I am confident you can get the
• 24:20
  year within two within 2. Years within 2.
• 24:22
  Years. I'm confident of this.
• 24:23
  Well, I know. 'Cause you've already just told
• 24:25
  me that Intel bought it in in 2001.
• 24:27
  Right side of them. So I couldn't they my then I, my
• 24:32
  memory is right. They bought it and killed it
• 24:33
  shortly thereafter. So it has to be 2001.
• 24:36
  Yeah, I, I. Totally screwed this up.
• 24:38
  This ad was from 2000. These devices were out in 2000.
• 24:41
  Yeah. And again, I owned one because I
• 24:42
  was super dorky were and it was. I can hear you.
• 24:45
  It was actually really good. You got load data via the
• 24:48
  screen. The screen was just basically
• 24:49
  for retrieval. The the early ones didn't have
• 24:52
  that sort of interface, but this thing was pretty compelling.
• 24:54
  You could put your calendar on it.
• 24:55
  You could put your contact on it.
• 24:56
  It was a really neat little PS yeah.
• 24:58
  That's the very cool idea, and it was the.
• 24:59
  Size of like 8 playing cards stacked up like it was you know
• 25:02
  for those little PC card slot sizes Now what do you think it
• 25:04
  retailed for So I gave you 280 bucks in today's dollars.
• 25:08
  It was 150 bucks in $2000 Yeah. Which was pretty reasonable.
• 25:11
  There was no other PDA even close, right?
• 25:13
  But it wasn't. Using an Intel processor and so
• 25:15
  Intel destroyed it. I do.
• 25:16
  Wonder right? I did not know about Intel
• 25:18
  acquiring it. It was a great way for you to
• 25:19
  backdoor into the year. Good work on that.
• 25:21
  Sorry, but that does make sense to me.
• 25:23
  Like I do wonder if they're like, well, hey, we're not
• 25:24
  making the chip in this thing. So we're I'm going to throw a
• 25:26
  bunch of money at it. There is a very small chance I
• 25:28
  still have mine. I'm pretty sure I got rid of it,
• 25:29
  but it might be in a box of old tech.
• 25:31
  It's next year. Bitcoin wallet OK?
• 25:33
  That hurts the Zircom Rex 6000, the year 2000.