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My Cousin Won Olympic Gold! Housewife Tells All! · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 4: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well,
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  Speaker 4: to my Canadians, I still love you and I love
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  Speaker 4: that you're happy for me. I'm happy because we won
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  Speaker 4: the gold in hockey. And it's especially exciting for my
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  Speaker 4: family because Charlie McAvoy is my cousin and he was
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  Speaker 4: number 25 on the winning USA hockey team. And the
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  Speaker 4: whole game was just so exciting besides it having a
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  Speaker 4: Juicy Scoop connection. It was there were so many amazing
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  Speaker 4: things that I just want to go through that were
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  Speaker 4: just like emotional and fabulous besides it being a nail
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  Speaker 4: biting game that went into overtime. It did start at
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  Speaker 4: 5am here in LA, not the most ideal time to
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  Speaker 4: have a party or go to a party, but I
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  Speaker 4: woke up at like 145, could not get back to sleep,
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  Speaker 4: was up at 440. And then we just watched it
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  Speaker 4: from 5 a.m. together at my house, nail biting. So
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  Speaker 4: it was just amazing. And I just was texting my cousin, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 4: Big Charlie. the dad, Charlie McAvoy, famous from McAvoy Plumbing,
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  Speaker 4: four generations of plumbing. They run Long Beach, New York.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just, it's really cool to talk to him.
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  Speaker 4: I know I have many parents that listen to the
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  Speaker 4: show that have kids that are very big in competitive sports.
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  Speaker 4: And just to think that all that hard work and
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  Speaker 4: dedication and then you're sitting on the other side, watching
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  Speaker 4: your child win the gold for America. And the team
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  Speaker 4: was just so beautiful to each other. And it just
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  Speaker 4: really made me excited. So here's a photo of, um,
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  Speaker 4: Big Charlie hugging little Charlie McAvoy, which I just love.
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  Speaker 4: And Charlie McAvoy with his adorable baby. This little boy
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  Speaker 4: is just the cutest and has strong genes. This little face,
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  Speaker 4: I just can't stop. I eat him up. And so
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  Speaker 4: it just was beautiful. It was beautiful to watch and
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  Speaker 4: post about it. And then, of course, they took the
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  Speaker 4: team photo, which was fabulous. I loved that Charlie got
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  Speaker 4: right in the middle. But for those of you who
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  Speaker 4: weren't aware, who kind of wondered what was going on
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  Speaker 4: when they were taking the team photo is number 13, Grideau.
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  Speaker 4: It was very, very tragic thing happened. Both he and
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  Speaker 4: his brother were killed while riding their bikes the night
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  Speaker 4: before their sister's wedding by a drunk driver, absolutely horrible.
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  Speaker 4: And he was a young dad with two little kids
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  Speaker 4: and his wife was there And the players went and
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  Speaker 4: got the little girl who looked to be about three
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  Speaker 4: and the little boy whose birthday it happened to be,
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  Speaker 4: who was two, and went and took the photo with
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  Speaker 4: the team. So that was an extremely special moment. And
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  Speaker 4: then also Jack Hughes, who got the winning goal, right
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  Speaker 4: before that, he had his teeth knocked out. And he
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  Speaker 4: continued to play. So that's just like such a crazy
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  Speaker 4: hockey moment. I don't know how someone could do that.
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  Speaker 4: I had a pickleball one time come slightly breeze across
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  Speaker 4: my lip and I had to take a two week break.
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  Speaker 4: So I can't even imagine. As a mom, hockey is
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  Speaker 4: a very hard thing to watch, even if you're not
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  Speaker 4: related to anybody on the court, on the ice. But
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  Speaker 4: he also, both he and his brother were on the
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  Speaker 4: team together, which was super cool. And their mom was...
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  Speaker 4: helped coach the winning girls hockey team. And he is
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  Speaker 4: the first, I think, Jewish player to win a gold
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  Speaker 4: in hockey. So all of that, all firsts, all super exciting.
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  Speaker 4: And they're all really charming in their interviews, which... That's
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  Speaker 4: why there's just so many videos. Also, the algorithm probably
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  Speaker 4: knows that I'm obsessed with it and the whole day.
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  Speaker 4: So I was watching all these videos, which was amazing. Also,
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  Speaker 4: one of the players named Haley, who won the gold
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  Speaker 4: for the girls hockey team, she has three older brothers
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  Speaker 4: that also played hockey as well. And so I'm watching
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  Speaker 4: those cute little videos. She was the youngest one. They
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  Speaker 4: basically taught her how to play, but then she was
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  Speaker 4: the one that succeeded and they were in the stands
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  Speaker 4: cheering her on. And there's just a lot of generational
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  Speaker 4: things that went on. In fact, Charlie McAvoy's, the coach
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  Speaker 4: is his, uh, father-in-law that is Kylie Sullivan, his wife's, um, father.
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  Speaker 4: And it was just, all of it was so cool. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, um, not to make it about me, but
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  Speaker 4: can I just say, I'm really proud to know this
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  Speaker 4: family and what they did to get here. And different
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  Speaker 4: injuries and illnesses and things that really made the year difficult.
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  Speaker 4: So for him to do so well on the ice
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  Speaker 4: and now they're stuck in Italy because there's a snowstorm
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  Speaker 4: and they can't fly back to New York right now,
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  Speaker 4: but it was just amazing. And then of course we
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  Speaker 4: all fell in love watching the gold winner, Alyssa Liu,
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  Speaker 4: who in her gold dress just did the most incredible
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  Speaker 4: ice skating routine and just she, one of the things
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  Speaker 4: about her was once she just decided to like be
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  Speaker 4: herself on the ice, then is when she really skyrocketed.
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  Speaker 4: And she just was the most natural effortless. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's like why you think you could ice skate because
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  Speaker 4: she made it look so easy. So that was her story.
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  Speaker 4: Super inspiring. So that was a really nice way to
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  Speaker 4: end the Olympics and we won the most medals and blah, blah, blah. So, Um,
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  Speaker 4: now let's get into some other followups on, on things. Sadly,
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  Speaker 4: Nancy Guthrie is still missing and there are people that
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  Speaker 4: thinks that she might've gone to Mexico. There has been some, um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, internet detectives that saw that there was a
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  Speaker 4: private plane that left at a certain hour. The, uh,
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  Speaker 4: the chief of, uh, the sheriff, uh, of Pima County,
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  Speaker 4: Chris Nanos is, you know, giving us updates, but it's not, it's,
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  Speaker 4: there isn't much there. They're like, we're working on the
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  Speaker 4: DNA and it's taking longer, but we, but it also
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  Speaker 4: moves really fast. So we could have a connection in
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  Speaker 4: two to three weeks, two to three months, or might
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  Speaker 4: take up to a year. We don't know, but there's
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  Speaker 4: some DNA testing that's going on with, what was found
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  Speaker 4: on the ring cam to something else. Then all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden these mothers just said, we are going to
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  Speaker 4: go find Nancy Guthrie. And they met at Holly Lobby,
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  Speaker 4: Hobby Lobby. So they met at Hobby Lobby and they
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  Speaker 4: went looking out around the Tucson area and around her
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  Speaker 4: home and they found an abandoned backpack, but it is
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  Speaker 4: not the same backpack that was seen in the person
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  Speaker 4: who had touched the ring cam and tried to put
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  Speaker 4: the shrub over it, there could be more people than
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  Speaker 4: just that person involved. There could be several people and
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  Speaker 4: they went out a different door. Um, we still just
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  Speaker 4: don't have any answers. Uh, are there a lot of
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  Speaker 4: weird coincidences and strange things? Yes. That she was you know, uh,
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  Speaker 4: taken right around the big drop of the Epstein files
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  Speaker 4: and Savannah had interviewed Epstein people and her husband had
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  Speaker 4: worked for a company that was involved with, uh, the
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  Speaker 4: Clintons and, you know, everything is connected. Doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 4: it's anything more. Everything's connected. We've talked about a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the weird coincidences, what she wrote in her book
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  Speaker 4: was strange. Um, And then it's like, are we just,
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  Speaker 4: is all the world a stage? Like Shakespeare said, are
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  Speaker 4: we just living in some weird matrix? I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: but we just hope that she is safe and that
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  Speaker 4: we have some answers sooner than later. Yes, there is
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  Speaker 4: an A & E reality show called Desert Law and
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  Speaker 4: Sheriff Chris Nanos doesn't appear on it that much, but
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  Speaker 4: he is a consulting producer. And that is weird and
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  Speaker 4: great for the series that this is going to be
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  Speaker 4: this investigation. I most likely, I would assume, how could
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  Speaker 4: they not will be covered on the reality show when
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  Speaker 4: it comes back. So strange. Um, Today, Nick Reiner did
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  Speaker 4: enter a plea of not guilty. He is working with
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  Speaker 4: his public defender, Kimberly Green, I believe her last name is,
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  Speaker 4: and they said he's not guilty. He has a shaved head.
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  Speaker 4: He was in his, you know, jumpsuit. He is being detained.
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  Speaker 4: for the stabbing deaths of both of his parents. I
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  Speaker 4: assume not guilty reason of insanity, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he is actually going to try to say he
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  Speaker 4: didn't do it. We will see. But all we know
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  Speaker 4: is that he said not guilty. Now this, it was
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  Speaker 4: going viral. I've seen this I don't know who was
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  Speaker 4: the originator of this video. It's gone many places. So, um,
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  Speaker 4: and many people have compared it. There is a guy
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  Speaker 4: walking by what appears to be a street in Quebec
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  Speaker 4: based on everybody's recognizing the area. And there is a
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  Speaker 4: woman who would be approximately the age of Ghislaine Maxwell.
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  Speaker 4: And she has a hat on and a turtleneck and
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  Speaker 4: a blue coat. And he walks by and he goes, Ghislaine.
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  Speaker 4: And she goes, what? And he goes, Ghislaine. And she goes,
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  Speaker 4: oh no, that's not me. And he goes, oh, I
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  Speaker 4: used to get hella pizza from you. And she goes, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then she's with this older guy that someone said
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  Speaker 4: looks like he could be Alan Dershowitz. People have zoomed
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  Speaker 4: in and the eyes and the teeth are exactly the
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  Speaker 4: same as Ghislaine. Other people said there's reports that this
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  Speaker 4: has been altered. So someone with the way AI is,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It would be I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: this is real or not, but it's very compelling if
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  Speaker 4: it is that she, we know, I know a hundred
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  Speaker 4: percent of certainty that the woman that we saw that
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  Speaker 4: gave the report a couple of weeks ago from prison
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  Speaker 4: is absolutely not Ghislaine.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Different eye shape, different nose, all of it. This woman
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  Speaker 4: looks just like her. So who knows, um, where she is.
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  Speaker 4: but very, very strange. And when you really look at
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  Speaker 4: it together, um, you know, it, it, it could be here,
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  Speaker 4: but it also might not be. So, and it might
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  Speaker 4: be just a real person that just didn't miss that
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  Speaker 4: misheard him. And he, he might've passed her earlier and
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  Speaker 4: been like, that woman could be Ghislaine. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: walk by and say that. And she was like, what?
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  Speaker 5: Oh no.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. Like just thinks it's simple and funny. I don't know. Um, Now,
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  Speaker 4: another thing that is being looked at, as we explore
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  Speaker 4: that nothing is a conspiracy theory and the whole world
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  Speaker 4: is involved with some sick shit from all entities of
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  Speaker 4: the world, that in film, they've been telling this forever. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I have talked about Woody Allen, also best buds with
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  Speaker 4: Epstein all over the files, that he would write these
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  Speaker 4: movies that would make you think, Oh, I guess you,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I guess a young girl would want to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, screw Woody Allen with his tiny, skinny, ugly body.
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  Speaker 4: Even when he was 40, he was tiny, skinny and ugly,
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  Speaker 4: but he always was writing these movies where like a
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  Speaker 4: 17 year old girl just couldn't get enough of him.
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  Speaker 4: And she was having dinner with he and his friends.
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  Speaker 4: And then another woman like, and it was always just
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  Speaker 4: like all these women would just be in love with him.
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  Speaker 4: And he would be kind of funny, like, Oh, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what to do. I don't know why, how
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  Speaker 4: to get rid of this girl. It's so into me.
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  Speaker 4: He was 17. And, you know, there was a movie called,
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  Speaker 4: there was a book and a movie called Lolita. And
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  Speaker 4: that was about a man who has a relationship with
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  Speaker 4: his girlfriend's daughter, who's like 14. And the whole thing
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  Speaker 4: is written like she is the aggressor in this whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's all been put out there. It's all been put
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  Speaker 4: out there to get our mind to accept that this
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  Speaker 4: could be normal. So Now people are going back and
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  Speaker 4: looking at all the movies that were put out about
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  Speaker 4: it from Eyes Wide Shut to Blink Twice to Rosemary's Baby,
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  Speaker 4: where they sell their soul to the devil and give
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  Speaker 4: their baby to the devil. And I mean, that was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a huge hit, a huge movie. There's always
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  Speaker 4: been movies and things about satanic worship. There's always been
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  Speaker 4: tons of artists, especially in the last 20 years, that
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  Speaker 4: make their live production shows all about the Antichrist and
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  Speaker 4: satanic and all of this stuff. And we've just been like, oh, oh,
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  Speaker 4: it's fun. You know, and how far do you take it?
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  Speaker 4: Do you start to explore what people wore to Halloween? Like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I just wrote Drake the other day. I said,
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  Speaker 4: the pizza is almost ready out of the oven. You know, like,
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  Speaker 4: is that going to be somehow like, of course you'd
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  Speaker 4: be like, Heather, no, these were in the files. And
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  Speaker 4: there was, yes, I know. No one talks about pizza
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  Speaker 4: that much. I agree with you. It's sick shit. I
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  Speaker 4: agree with all of it. But now what's really interesting
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  Speaker 4: is all of a sudden people are just watching a
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  Speaker 4: movie that they didn't even think about. That wasn't, it's
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  Speaker 4: not one of those eyes wide shut movies. It's not
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  Speaker 4: about this crazy stuff or the menu or all these
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  Speaker 4: other things, you know? or chefs making, having to get a,
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  Speaker 4: there's another movie out about a chef that, that takes
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  Speaker 4: over the identity of another chef because he thinks it's
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  Speaker 4: a great job, but that he has to then like
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  Speaker 4: make human, humans into the dinner. And how does he
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  Speaker 4: get out of this weird situation? Now, you know, many
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  Speaker 4: chefs accidentally died that were in high positions recently that
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  Speaker 4: like drowned in like, you know, four feet of water
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  Speaker 4: and weird things like that. Okay. But In this one,
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  Speaker 4: this is from Marcus Hemp. There's this movie with Jennifer Garner.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm just saying she's the star of it because
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  Speaker 4: I can't recall what movie it is. And it's just
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  Speaker 4: this innocuous scene where they just go and they are
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  Speaker 4: like at a restaurant or a pizza place. Yes, a
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  Speaker 4: pizza place. And right in the scene, because it's screen
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  Speaker 4: grabbed right here, there's just some photos of a young
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  Speaker 4: pubescent boy taking off his shirt, like in a photo album,
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  Speaker 4: among other photos that would be at like the manager's desk.
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  Speaker 4: And it's there. And you're like, this is so weird.
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  Speaker 4: So then you're thinking, who was the set designer on
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  Speaker 4: that show? Did they just actually go to a place
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  Speaker 4: and not realize that that was someone's kids? But no,
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  Speaker 4: not for a major motion picture. Everything is set and planned.
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  Speaker 4: same way Balenciaga did those ads with the, you know,
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  Speaker 4: handbag on top of the law about child corn, you know,
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  Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. It's just weird. It's weird
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  Speaker 4: how blatantly things have now been put in front of
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  Speaker 4: us over and over. I believe the creator of Simpsons
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  Speaker 4: is in the Epstein files where people would be like,
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  Speaker 4: why were there so much, why were there so many,
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  Speaker 4: so many things in the Simpsons, you know, about what
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  Speaker 4: now we're experiencing and the futuristic, it's all bizarre and
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  Speaker 4: it's very juicy. So you can believe it, not look
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  Speaker 4: it up. I don't really care, but I'm just telling you,
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  Speaker 4: it's really strange. The more, um, people kind of open
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  Speaker 4: their eyes to it and then discover the connections. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: speaking of gold medals one more time, I won a
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  Speaker 4: silver everybody. I won a, uh, I am the 2025
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  Speaker 4: silver winner, juicy scoop, best pop culture show, Heather McDonald.
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  Speaker 4: This is the signal awards, very heavy, beautiful award. Um,
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  Speaker 4: I can add it now to my reality, uh, TV
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  Speaker 4: award in which I won for best podcast there a
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  Speaker 4: couple of years ago. And I want to thank them
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  Speaker 4: for that. And, um, so yeah, amazing that I also,
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  Speaker 4: it's not a gold, but it is a silver.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then biggest news in the Epstein situation is that
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  Speaker 4: Prince Andrew has been arrested. And as of today, so
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  Speaker 4: has Peter Mendelsohn. He is the UK ambassador to to
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  Speaker 4: the United States of America, and they have both been
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  Speaker 4: arrested for the same thing, which is suspicion of misconduct,
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  Speaker 4: meaning they shared information about the royals' finances or whatever
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  Speaker 4: that could be. It's a broad thing, but basically it's
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  Speaker 4: not on trafficking or anything like that. But Prince Andrew
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  Speaker 4: was arrested, he has been released on bail, and then today...
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  Speaker 4: someone went to the Louvre and hung his photo up
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  Speaker 4: at the Louvre. This is also where they stole all
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  Speaker 4: those jewels. So I don't know what is going on
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  Speaker 4: with the security at the Louvre, but like, can we
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  Speaker 4: get some mall cops or somebody else over there because
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  Speaker 4: it's very strange but it's a uk-based activist group called
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  Speaker 4: the people versus elon poked fun at andrew um by
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  Speaker 4: framing a now famous photo of the former prince slumped
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  Speaker 4: in the back seat of a car with a horrified
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  Speaker 4: look on his face and it's hanging against a wall
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  Speaker 4: inside the louvre on sunday so interesting also sarah ferguson
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  Speaker 4: who is also in the file's uh, writing Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 4: being like, I know that the Prince and I are
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  Speaker 4: no longer together, but you're, you're my best friend. And
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  Speaker 4: won't you please call me back? And she writes about
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  Speaker 4: her daughters to him. And she also, um, asked for
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  Speaker 4: like $ 20, 000 or something that she needs money and that
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  Speaker 4: she could help him out doing things. And she has
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  Speaker 4: checked herself into a pricey wellness clinic in Switzerland. So
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  Speaker 4: it's a recovery clinic. I don't know if it's necessarily
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  Speaker 4: rehab or just meaning to get away from her life
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  Speaker 4: that is a disaster because she's a disaster they also
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  Speaker 4: went inside the Lolita Express this is the actual plane
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  Speaker 4: that Jeffrey owned it's huge I saw the video the
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: people walking in it it is could seat 30 to
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: 40 people it has a full bedroom and Um, it
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: has like a walkie talkie in the drawers. The bed
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: has got a lot of bed, bed bugs and things
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: like that because it has not been used in 10 years.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: It's just sitting there and somehow these people were able
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: to go inside it. Um, so it's just creepy just
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: because you recognize it in the photos of, you know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: with people's faces blacked out or not of all the
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: times and all the people that took that to get to, um,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Epstein Island. And that people blatantly called it the Lolita
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Express was just weird. So that was interesting.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: What's the story, lad? Uh, how you getting on?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: What's with the mustache? What, this thing? Lad, as if
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: you could grow one.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Calm down. You also said I couldn't do the chili challenge.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Remember that?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Me?
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Come on, we remember it well.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: You were on the floor. Look, first of all, it
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: was a steaming hot day and it's a chili. I
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: still got through it.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Come on, don't embarrass yourself. You were in a right
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: state that day.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: This Movember, challenge each other to grow moustaches for men's health.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Make a growmitment at movember.com. Right, look, I'll grow one.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Come on, so.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: filed against me.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: He said, I have a work dad.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: I need a home dad.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: What happens next?
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: When I came in, he started crying.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: happens next.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: every day was.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: You're worth the work.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, also, this was crazy. A Tourette's activist shouted out
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: the N-word during the BAFTA's telecast. And Michael B. Jordan
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: and Delroy Lindo were on stage about to, you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: deliver an award. And this man screamed out the N-word.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: But he is a Tourette's activist. And, I mean.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I know Tourette's is a real thing, but this is just, again,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: a little too much of a coincidence, a little too awful.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I assume, I don't know how this is not related
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: to what came out of this man's mouth. I mean,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: awful and weird and, I mean, all caught in the telecast,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: everything about it is just crazy. The activist's name is
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: John Davidson. And I don't know what they did. Like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: do you escort him out? Are you like, well, he
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: has Tourette's. I mean, it's like out of like a
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Larry David episode, truly, of Curb Your Enthusiasm. This was
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: a story that you never hear. A North Carolina mother
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: was found alive 24 years after vanishing. So this mother
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: of three said she was going shopping right before Christmas
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: in 2001 and And went missing. And everybody said, well,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: clearly this is foul play. Something horrible happened to her.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: She would have never abandoned her three children, especially right
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: before Christmas. She was found in North Carolina perfectly fine.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: She really did leave her three kids. It sounds like.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: You know, they're still trying to find more information, but
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: she is, it's definitely her. She is completely fine. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: obviously her daughter has some mixed emotions, um, pissed, sad,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: but also like happy that her mom is alive. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: don't know how you would explain that and why you'd
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: ever want to talk to this woman again. I mean,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: this is whatever you want to think about Sherry Papini.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: This is like 24 times worse because it was 24
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: years that she was doing this. So I, That's probably
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: going to, we're probably going to learn more about this story.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there'll be a doc on it or she'll
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: start her own podcast and tell us what she's been
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: doing the last 24 years being child free. Um, Bonnie blue. Okay.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: And you're like, Heather, I hate this person. So do I,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: this is the girl, very pretty blonde blue eyed girl.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: That's calls herself Bonnie blue that goes on these marathon, uh,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: gang bangs where people line up and she does videos
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: and they have masks on. And now, you know, she's
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: saying that she's pregnant after having unprotected sex with 400 men.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I want to go on the record to say, I
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: think this is all a hoax. I think this is
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: all BS. I think that she is not doing this
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: for real. Um, I think she's paying guys to wear
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: masks and pretend that they waited in line to have
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: sex with her. And then she makes money off only
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: fan stuff. I don't know. You tell me, can anybody
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: watch the actual video of 400 guys having sex with her? Like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: is this real content? And I know, but you're like,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: but yeah. And why does us weekly report on it?
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Because it gets clicks, I guess. I mean, I've, I'm
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: proud to say I've skipped like 15 stories that I've
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: seen about this chick. And, but I just had to
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: go on the record to say, I don't think she's pregnant.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's all BS. You know what? Maybe she
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: is pregnant, but I don't think it's from one of
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: these 400 guys. I don't think this is real. I've
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: heard everything from, you know, she was born of the
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: opposite sex and transitioned to, you know, no, this is
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: all real. And she just loves to have sex. And
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: she has a husband who loves her or a boyfriend
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: who loves her. I don't know, but I am going
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: to say, I look forward to the documentary that's going
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: to come out in 2027. That's going to be like,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: so we're doing this now. Um, I remember when she
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: became Bonnie blue.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: What?
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I think. And that's my prediction. Also
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: enough with this. I just saw TMZ is doing a documentary, um,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: about that. The Pepsi commercial disaster was not caused by
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: a hair product when poor Michael Jackson's hair caught on fire.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: And then he became, um, addicted to painkillers because it
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: was so incredibly painful. all right, do we need a
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: whole doc on it? Like really, honestly, I'm going to
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: watch the biopic in which his nephew is playing him.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: I'm sure the Pepsi commercial will be part of that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I've seen so many made for TV movies and things
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: where the hand comes up and he, you know, it
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: was during the commercial and what that did to him.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: I just, I don't care if it was caused by
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: the hairspray or not. Who the fuck cares? I don't know. I'm,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know why this like pissed me off so much,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: but I just think someone would go, well, Heather, that's
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: really what started, you know, him being in pain and,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: and where he got, okay, I guess, but I don't know.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Now let's get into the real housewives of Beverly Hills
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a very interesting thing that happened.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: So three of the girls, Kyle and Dorit and, um,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Rachel's they go off to the Hamptons, which is fun
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: to see, um, them all at the surf lodge and
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: having fun and, you know, pretty scenery. They didn't invite
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: the other girls. And so Sutton and Erica Jane go
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: to meet Denise Richards, who at this time of filming, she,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: the news had broke that, um, she was getting a
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: restraining order against her husband, Aaron, who also appeared on
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills for, um, physical abuse. And
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: it was very good the way they shot the scene
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: and what the girls were saying in their authentic moment
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: that Erica and Denise had a good rapport and that
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: they'd reached out to each other over hard times. So
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: they meet. Denise shows up. She looks great. She's like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I'm six weeks out from having a facelift. I also
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: had gotten my boobs done and I'd had these surgeries done.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: And she goes on to tell the story, which is,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: I think the story that the account that got her
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: the restraining order, they did put at the end of
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: the show that Aaron has denied all allegations of ever
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: being abusive to anyone in his life, including Denise Richards.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: So I want to say that too. Going with that,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: she tells the story of how, you know, she just
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: gotten surgery done, a surgery. So it's like six hours
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: after having, you know, a 10 hour surgery and she's
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: on meds and she needed his help to, um, go
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: to the bathroom. And I guess he took that moment
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: to look at her phone and he claims that she
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: was cheating with some guy that she met when she
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: did special forces. So if that I'm putting it all together,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming he saw some type of communication with somebody else.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: And then she claims that's when he whacked her in
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: the head while she was, you know, on painkillers or
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: covering with like tubes coming out of her body because
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: she had some fat removed. And, um, so she was
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: very honest about her plastic surgery and very honest about
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: this account with the, with the two of them, which
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I do think is very interesting about Real Housewives of
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Beverly Hills because she, Rachel Zoe is being really honest
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: about her ex's situation as much as she can. And
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: it's interesting. And same with Dorit is, is sharing a
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: lot about what made her marriage end with PK. And
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: that is being honest. That's being interesting. It's a, it's
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: a reality show. So it's obviously very disturbing to hear
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: all that. And then, um, Erica, I mean, yeah, then
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Erica says, well, I was there too. And she reveals
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: that after Tom and her broke up and they were done,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: she dated somebody, not the current guy she's dating, who
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: was also former special forces and military. She dated somebody
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: else and she said it wasn't serious and it wasn't
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: like you're my person forever, but they were enjoying each other.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: And it got physical. And I really appreciate her honesty
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: about it. And she said it happened three times. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: on the third time, she was like, that's it. This
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: is not for me. Um, you are not for me.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: People are speculating who it might be based on, you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: but she really wasn't seen romantically with anybody else. There
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: was a rumor that she, Armie Hammer was her neighbor
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: and maybe they dated a little. And there was, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: at times in the last season where she's like, Oh babe,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I'm getting some, I think it was some random non-famous
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: person that she has no, uh, public ties to. That's
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: my personal opinion. Otherwise, I don't think she would. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: think she's smart enough to not share that story. But anyway,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate the honesty. And I think it meant
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: a lot to the people that watch the show. And
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: it was very interesting. And we are all rooting for Denise.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: And when I ran into Denise, she just said all
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: the ladies on the show have been so supportive. And remember,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: there's that there were scenes where he came off very
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: verbally aggressive with the women, um, where Erica was like, whoa,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: do you really want to talk to me like that?
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: He's like, do you really want to talk to me
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: like that? And then another time when they left a
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: party and Denise and he were holding hands and she says, we're,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: we're mic'd, don't say anything. And he's like, don't tell
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: me what to do. I'm going to fucking squeeze your
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: hand off or something. And they put that in the show,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: you know, three or four years ago. So, It's, um,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: you know, it's interesting that that was all like now
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: come to fruition. It's like all of it was there,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: just like everything else, all the evidence is there and
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: the signs are there and wasn't even hiding it and
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: happy that, um, both of them are out of those situations.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I thought this was pretty interesting. So, you know, 50 cent,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: he is always going after people, you know, from P
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Diddy to whomever. I don't know what his beef is with, um,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Tiny and, um, and TI, but he posted a photo of, um, Tiny, um,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: in wasn't, I wouldn't be thrilled if it was taken
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: from that angle. I think head on, she probably would
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: have been happy with it, but it was just like
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: an unflattering angle of her on stage and like a
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: corset and boots and, you know, and, um, and he
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: just posted it. And then, T.I. and Tiny's son went
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: off and just was like, you know, a lot of
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: bad words, a lot of N words, a lot of
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: F words, two 50 cent. And he's like, how dare
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: you post an unflattering photo of my mother? And then
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: he goes, your mom's dead 50. So why don't you
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: get your mom from the graveyard and show a photo
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: of her? How dare you do this to my mother?
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: And for this is coming from neighborhood talk, which is
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: a popular Instagram account where they kind of follow a
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: lot of the hip hop world. And a lot of
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: the comments in there were like, they liked that he
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: was defending, um, his mom. And I don't know, what
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: do you think? I, I, it's pretty aggressive video on
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: his part, but in this case, I do feel like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: you know, 50 started it, but Tiny and TI have
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: a sword pass to look into that one. And the
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: things that people have accused them of the girls that
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: say that, that, you know, it was not consensual threesome
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: activities or whatnot, allegedly, um, love is blind is on
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: another season. And this is really taking off, really getting
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: a lot of people to talk about it. Um, there
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: is this one guy on there and, uh, you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: he's a cute guy. I'm not watching it. So I'm
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: just seeing the clips and I guess he gets with
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: a very attractive actual doctor, like a real internist. And
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: he sits there and tells her, um, I don't know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: you know, so the way love is blind, just remind
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: you works. They meet each other talking through a wall
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: and then once they decide, yes, I want to marry you,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: they come out and then they follow like six to
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: eight couples all hanging out at like a resort. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: then they go to their respective like condos and they
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: follow them there and some get married and some don't.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: And so in getting to know each other, now they
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: didn't know what they look like. I, you know, I'm
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: watching them. They both look attractive, but he says to
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: the girl who is a full on real doctor, you
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: know what in real life, meaning like not in a
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: dating show, I always dated people that were into CrossFit
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: or did like Pilates every day. So this is like
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: a lot for me to adjust to like you not
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: being a Pilates girl every day. And wow, obviously this
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: has a big reaction from the audience. How could you not?
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Like you are, she's a doctor. Okay. And I'm just,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: you just see in your head and you know, the girl,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: crop top crop, like a little bralette, you know, ponytail,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: perfect Pilates body carrying her matcha, definitely not a doctor,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: you know, which is great. I'm sure those, those girls
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: are great too. They're influencers, they're models, they're cute girls.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: They have jewelry designs that they're doing with their mom though.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: They're all you know, and that's who he was dating. And,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: but he clicked with this doctor over the pods and, um,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know what this guy is going to do,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: but I'm guessing they don't get married, but I think
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: there'll probably be some girl who will be very happy
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: to date him who does Pilates every day. That's what's
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: going to happen. So I'm watching love story. It's so
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: good on Hulu. I just, I love it. And, uh,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: And of course, it's getting people remembering that time and that, interestingly,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: JFK Jr., the seat, the New York Senate seat had
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: just opened up right before the tragic plane accident. And that,
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: you know, he was up for it. It was definitely
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: considering it and people wanted him to. And he was
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: looking forward to getting into politics because the magazine was
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: not a success. And... you know, and people look at
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: their relationship, they're upset. The reason this is so juicy
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: is because she, as we talked about in the last episode,
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: the real Carolyn Bessette was not looking to be famous.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: She was not a thirst bucket. She had incredible confidence.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: And so everyone wonders, what is this fight about that
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: we're going to see in the upcoming episodes that was
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: caught by a paparazzi with all these, you know, uh,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: photos that were taken and there is more to it.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: And I found out what it was and I think
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: it's so relatable and makes so much sense. So what
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: I know the fight to be about is it was
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: not about cheating or another girl. It was, they were
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: walking and they're walking, um, the dog and they were
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: just out and somebody that Carolyn knew, was like, Oh, Hey.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: And so they were stopped and they were talking and
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: he went ahead and was annoyed and didn't want to wait. Um,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Don and that really pissed off Carolyn because she's like,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Oh my God, that was rude. And, um, Why would
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: you do that? And I, you know, you get stopped
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: all the time. We get stalked by paparazzi. We're always
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: with your friends. We're always doing your thing. And here,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: my friend, a friend of somebody I know, and you
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: can't be bothered to wait. You're that impatient. Like, no,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: F you. And that's where that fight happened. And when
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: I heard this information, I'm like, that totally tracks. That's
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: totally relatable. I think that could happen with a lot
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: of people where you just feel like, Why, why is
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: it always about you or why, why would you be
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: rude to my friend? So, um, and then knowing that
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: she was just always like, I don't give a shit
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: if you're the Prince of America. Like I, she had
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: confidence like no other woman. I love that they referenced
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: the rules in the episode. Um, you know, she's letting
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: the answering machine pick up his calls instead of picking
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: up the phone. And she's there with like her gay bestie,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: like working on an outfit or something. And the guy's like,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: what are you doing? Following the rules. I followed the rules.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: I would let the calls go to the answer machine
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: because of the whole rule thing of the rules, which
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: was this book was to make a guy think that
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: you're so busy. You're out doing other things. You're out
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: with other guys and making them wonder and making yourself
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: a challenge. And I just feel like if you are
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: a single person, um, and you're not that well aware
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: of this story, Watching how Carolyn did like hook this
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: guy that everybody wanted because she really didn't want him
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: that badly is very interesting. Now, other reports are saying, no,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: you know, she, um, there's a difference of the timeline
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: in which she was into him. And then he went
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: back to Daryl Hannah and she was pissed. And then
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: when he came back to her again, she was weary again.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: I think that's it. But then there's other reports that like,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: oh no, she, she knew he was going to be
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: at this event at this Amazon rainforest thing. And she
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: wanted to get a ticket to go and like run
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: into him. That could be true too. It was a game.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: And the way you won getting a guy like that
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: was to play a game, do the rules. And most
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: women wouldn't be able to stick with what the rules
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: said of really playing hard to get, but she did.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: And right until the last moment of their last moments
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: of their lives, you know, it was again, okay, we're
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: going to a wedding. It's his family's wedding. We need to,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: he wants to fly so we can, you know, and
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: they left late and he didn't have the instructor there. And,
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: you know, and then there's conspiracy theories about what happened,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: but I think it's clear in everything that it was
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: literally a it was cloudy and he was flying and
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: he thought he was going straight. And in fact, he
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: was going down. That's what the reports were, but we'll
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: see how they portray that part. I think they're just
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: really going to focus on the relationship. But, um, and
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: I also didn't know that Meryl Streep's daughter plays his
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: sister in the movie in the series. And I think
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: she is a great, uh, Caroline. I think it's a
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: really good match and I think she's a good actress
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: and believable in it. So, um, lots of little, um,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Nepo babies and stuff being cast in this, but I
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: think they are all doing a good job. You guys
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: do not forget if you are in the Salt Lake
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: city area, March 20th and 21st, I'm doing four shows
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: at the downtown wise guys comedy. You can just go
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: type in wise guys, wise guy comedy club in Salt
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Lake city, get your tickets before they sell out. And
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: now I'm really excited for you guys to hear this
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: very interesting interview with a former real housewife. And she
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: tells all and it's so juicy. So enjoy. Hello and
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: welcome to Juicy Scoop. I am talking to a real
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: housewife of Vancouver. I know many of you are talking
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: about it because the show is available on Peacock. Welcome,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Mary Zilba. How are you?
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I am very good. Thank you. Thanks for having me.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: So it's really funny because when I, you know, got
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: in contact with you, I'm like, I did know that
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: there was a real housewife of Vancouver. And it was
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: done when I started to watch it in preparation of
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: this episode. I looked it up. And so it was
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: you guys filmed in 2013.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It was a while ago. And so you and
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: you only did two seasons. We did. So, yeah. What
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: tell me a little bit about like how it came
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: about and why you chose to do it, because I
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: always think that's the most important, most interesting part of
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: like how someone's life changes when they make that decision.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, when I go back and think about it,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: it was one of the original, like it was when
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: like the housewives of, what's the one down in Orange County.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: So it was fairly new, like the whole franchise. So
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't really know a lot about it. I was
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: a singer. I had had records out in Canada. I'm
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: from Ohio originally, moved to Vancouver. And I had had,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: you know, some success in the entertainment business, which was
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: my goal in life to be in the entertainment business
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: as a producer, as a writer and as a singer.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And I moved to Vancouver and I get this weird
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: phone call from somebody who was like, oh, you know,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you are on the short list for a reality show.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: And at the time, I had just gotten a divorce
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and I have three little boys. And I was like, hmm, OK,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: this sounds interesting. What kind of a reality show? And
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't know at first until they sent me all
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: kinds of NDAs and all kinds of like questionnaires. And
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I filled them out. And then they basically just said,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: it's the Real Housewives franchise.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: And I didn't know.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: At that point, I kind of thought it was Desperate Housewives.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of like that show, the
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Desperate Housewives. But As I kind of researched it, I thought, oh,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: you know what? I'm not going to fight with anyone.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: No one's going to fight with me. Like, yeah, I
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: thought it would be a great stepping stone for me
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: to do it. So I filled out all the applications.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, they called and said, guess what?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: You're you're you've been chosen. So I was like, oh, shit,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: what have I just gotten myself into? And lo and behold,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I had no idea.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: So now that it's so far from from today, can
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: you tell us like what they paid you? It wasn't
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I can tell you that. It was not a lot.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: It was around 40,000, I think.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: And how long were you at their beck and call
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: to film?
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Four to five months.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: And in like looking at the housewives and stuff before
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: you got in, what was your, did you have any concerns?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I my main concern was that I wouldn't
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: be saying anything or doing anything or get myself involved
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: in something that would embarrass my children. They all went
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: to Catholic school. They were young boys. I was a
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: single mom, you know, so I was like, I don't
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: want anything to jeopardize them and to and to make
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: me I would, you know, basically, as a mother, as
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: you know, you're You are your kid's role model, your biggest, greatest,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: their greatest role model. And so I didn't want to
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: ever get myself involved in something that was going to
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: embarrass them and make them feel ashamed of me. So
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: that was my main concern going in. And I also thought,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: why would women fight? Like, I didn't fight with my friends.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I had no idea, like, what I was getting myself into.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: And did the producers say, like, before you went into
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: a birthday party scene or whatever... would they try to
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: entice you to get in some kind of argument for
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: entertainment purposes? Never.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Never. I never had anyone come up to me, any producer,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: any director, say, you should do this, you should say this.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: It's one of the biggest questions I always get is,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: is it scripted? And a lot of people believe it is. Now,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you know, that was years ago. Now I don't know
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: exactly how things work. It's a, it's a pretty well-known
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: franchise now. And I think women kind of set their
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: characters up or, you know, I don't think it's not scripted,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: like we're actors, but, you know, it, I never had
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: anyone tell me what to say or try to entice
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: me to say something that wasn't, you know, true. And,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I know now that it's airing again on Peacock, the
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: drama has started. All of a sudden, I'm hearing from
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: the housewives again that I didn't speak to for 10 years.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And it's pretty freaking crazy, I have to say.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: And what are they saying to you? Like, can you share?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Well, they're all saying, oh, it was scripted. Oh, production
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: did this to me. I really was a good friend
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: to you. And threatening emails and texts and stuff about
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: if you say this, if you don't defend me, those
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: kinds of things.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: And even now, like they're saying now. And are you
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: getting a lot of are you getting a lot of
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: fans like finding your Instagram and asking you questions about it?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, quite a bit. I have to say, it's funny
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: how the resurgence just sort of came back. But I
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: think it's because I mean, first of all, I was
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: shocked that it was coming back. I was I just
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: get a phone call in November. I got a phone
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: call and they were like, oh, guess what? Real Housewives
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: is coming to Peacock in the United States. Well, I'm
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: from the U.S. My entire family, extended family, everybody's from Ohio.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: And I lived in L.A. for a long time. And
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I now am in Palm Springs. So I live basically
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: in Palm Springs in Vancouver. So I was like, oh no, what's,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: what is going to happen? But I wasn't afraid of
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: it because I felt I was authentic to myself. I didn't,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I was proud of the way that I was able
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: to handle myself on the show. And, um, would I
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: wish now that I maybe would have said more or,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: you know, been a little bit more bold in some
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: of the things I said, probably. But, you know, it
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: was shocking to hear after all these years, it's going
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: to be replayed again. It's like, You know, my father
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: said to me, well, you know what? It's kind of cool.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: You're just debuting 20 or 10 years younger. Good point, Dad. Yeah.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: So you did two seasons of it. And did your
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: did they pay you more for the second season? Was
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: it a hit in Vancouver that like the first season?
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: Was it a big deal?
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: The first season was the I think to this day,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: the most watched show in Canadian television history ever.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was unbelievably popular. And so even now
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: when I go into Canada, I mean, like anywhere I go,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I'm stopped there quite often. I loved you on the show. Oh,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: my gosh. And sometimes I forget because it's been a while.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the flavor for people wanting it to come
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: back is massive. And they do want a season three.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Do you get a lot? We'll get to that in
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: a minute. Do you get a lot of people like
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: you're just walking through a restaurant and someone's looking at
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: you and they're like, how do I know you?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I get that a lot.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: I always I get that, too, because I'm like at
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: that level where like I pop up in someone's feed
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: and they kind of remember me from a TV show
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: or whatever.
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: And.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: And it's always like so weird because then I have
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: to be like. Well, I'm a comedian. No, that's not it. Oh, well,
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Did we go to high school together? No,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: we didn't go to high school. Like now it's like
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: an awkward thing. But most people, I just say I'm
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: a comedian. They go, OK, yeah, that must be it.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: You know, whatever. So what do you say? Do you
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: say I was on The Real Housewives of Vancouver?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes I go, oh, I was a singer. I'm
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: a singer. Maybe you saw one of my music videos.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I usually start with that one and I go, no, no.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you probably saw me on that damn
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: reality show. And they're like, that's it. You were on
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: The Real Housewives. But even here now, I'm getting recognized
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: where I didn't as much. I do in the UK.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I have in Australia. I'm not in Australia. Our show
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: is in Australia. I haven't been to Australia. But in
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: the UK, when I was there, I was recognized a lot.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: But here now, I was at Ulta the other day,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: like literally on the ground looking at something on the
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: floor nearly. And some woman kept walking back and forth,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: back and forth. And finally, I was like, OK, am
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I doing something wrong or is she stalking me? She
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, my God, I just binged the entire
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: show on Peacock. And what are you doing in Palm Springs?
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, my gosh. So she didn't
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: expect to see me because she thought I was in Vancouver.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: But I'm still in the first season. But for the
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: people that haven't seen it, which will probably be, you know,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: a good amount and then they'll go check it out.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: But like what what was the juiciest thing that happened
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: in The Real Housewives of Vancouver that's that people would
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: remember or reference or still can't believe happened?
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing that most people say is
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: how dark it was. I mean, a lot of them
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: are dark, a lot of the franchises. But apparently from
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I don't watch many of them. I don't watch them
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: hardly at all. But I've heard it's the darkest franchise
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: of all of them. And that's because of the bullying
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: that went on. And, you know, I think that's the
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: thing that shocks people the most, because Canadians are nice.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to be nice.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: But hey, I mean.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I'm good friend's a girl in my, a woman in
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: my neighborhood, she and her husband are Canadian and they
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: really are so polite and so much nicer than everybody else,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: you know? And we'll be playing pickleball and they'll always
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: be like, you know, no, my ball was out. And
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: then they say out the way Canadians say it. Out
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: and about, yeah. Out and about. They always are honest
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: about their pickleball game. And then I'll play with one
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: of them and I'll be like, remember, you're American. We're
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: going to beat these fuckers. Like, no mercy. You can
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: be Canadian when you're against me, but when you're playing
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: next to me, you're an American, you know? Exactly. So that,
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: that is interesting. Who, like, who was the, who was
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: being bullied?
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I was the main focal point of the.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: I was the target. I was the target.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: And, you know, it's really interesting. So there were it's
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: it's sad to watch in some regards. Like I had
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: when it first came on, I had it on the
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: television for me. I hadn't seen it in years and
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: years and years. And who wants to watch it?
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: It's just it's it's hard to watch. And I was like, oh,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: my God, I can't believe like, why would I why
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: would she say that to me? Even to this day,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I'm in shock. So Jodi was the main villain of
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: our show.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: And she was horrible. I never knew.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I still don't know to this day why she disliked
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: me so much. I don't know if it was because
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I had already had a career and I had already
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: had a lot going on in Canada. I had seven
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: top 40 hits. I did music videos, which is probably
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: the reason they asked me to be on it. And
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I think she was, I don't know what it was.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: She just, she thought I was too nice. And I
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: think a lot of the cast was like, we got
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: to bring her down. She can't be that nice. Um,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: so I think that's really why, because I never said
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: or did anything for them to want to victimize me
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: at any point. So, and then the other woman was Ronnie, who, um,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: was my friend before the show. We had been friends
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: for many years and, um, I actually suggested her to
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: get on the show and really fought for her to,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: to be a part of the show. And they, and
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: they casted her on, on it. And then she turned
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: on me. So, um, It was interesting. So it's been
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: kind of a, it was really an awakening as to like,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: why do people act this way? And why would grown
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: women treat each other the way that they did?
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Do you think that they were fans of the franchise
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: and kind of realized that's the way to get the
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: most airtime and get the most talked about? Like, if
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go do this, I want to get
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: something out of it, fame that could lead to something else?
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Why do you think that they were so different on camera?
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Gosh, I don't know. I don't think that Ronnie had
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: ever seen it before. I don't know that she had.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe she had done a deep dive, done a rabbit
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: hole and did watch it. Maybe Jodi. But here's the thing.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Why does somebody want to? They all have children. They all,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: you know, to me, it was like, do you not
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: want to preserve Do you want to just go and
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: do something that is not authentic to you just for
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: a television show? Is that because you've got to live
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: your real life? You're not an actor. You know, so
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: she has been, you know, Jodi in particular has been
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: just brutalized by fans, absolutely brutalized. And she and she's
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: had a lot of bad things that have happened since
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: And like what?
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, she lost her business. She lost custody
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: of her young daughter.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, really?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a lot of stuff that happened.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Do you think all those things would have happened had
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: she not been on the show or the show didn't help?
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they would have happened or not.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Probably she would have still had that problem with her
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: husband and her daughter. But yeah, and then her other daughter,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: then her older daughter who was on the show, who
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: was just horrible. She was, you know, the apple didn't
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: fall far from the tree. They gave the daughter a
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: lot of time, a lot of airtime. And she ended
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: up getting shot and her husband.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Shot by gun? Yeah.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: And shot in the shoulder because she.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: In Canada? Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: It was horrible. By whom? Who shot her?
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Somebody that her, her boyfriend that she was with at
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: the time, she had a baby with him. I guess
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: somebody was after him. Accidentally shot her and then eventually
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: he did pass away.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: How did he die?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: I can't remember how he died. I'm not sure how
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: he died.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, there's a lot of tragedy. Not that
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I think anybody and even your darkest enemy should never.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't wish that upon anyone. But it's
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: just interesting how even now that it's airing again, she's
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: still on her social media page. saying that it was
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: scripted and production did it and, you know, just anything
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: to make herself, to redeem herself. And, you know, I'm
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: not going to, I just tell the truth. Like, but
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: the truth is the truth. What came out of your
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: mouth came out of your mouth. Nobody told you to
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: say what you said or do the things that you did.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: So when it premiered and it was starting to air
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: and stuff between the first and the second season, What
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: was the reaction? Were you having a good time with
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: the newfound fame? Was it stressing you out?
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: You know, that's an interesting question because the fans to
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: me were lovely. I had, you know, so many fans,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: people who, you know, I made so many good friends.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: So many wonderful people came up to me and said,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I just love you on the show. And, you know,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: thank you for being the voice of reason and for
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: having some grace and, That was really that was really
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: nice because it's nice when you, when you remain who
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: you are and be authentic to who you are. And
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: then people recognize that rather than being somebody you're not and,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: and doing things like that would be out of character
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: for you. So I, it was wonderful. I had already had,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: you know, a little taste of that. I was, you know,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: throughout my life, I had been in Miss America. I had, um,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: done a lot of really interesting things that I had
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: been in the spotlight before. But it was just nice
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: to know that even though I was having PTSD from
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: being on the show and the women themselves were so,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't speak to any of them for years.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: It was absolutely, I had PTSD from that show and
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't really want to do season two, but our
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: contract was stated that they, you had the right, you
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: didn't have the right to quit. They had the right.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: You know what, that, it's interesting because in all the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: housewives that I've interviewed, I think only one told me that, that,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: you know, so when people say, oh, I, you know,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not coming back and, you know, they act like
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: it was their decision. Yeah, yeah. I have heard that, no,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: it's not your decision. You're signing a contract that you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: agree to do it. Does it expand a number of
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: years or is it infinite? I mean, it's got to,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: there's got to be a couple, you know, it's got
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: to stop somewhere. It's not a billion year like Scientology contract, huh?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I think it was 10 years. I think it was
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: 10 years.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: And so, yeah, they always have the option to pick
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: you up. But I mean, essentially, you can get out
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: of something. I mean, if you just were like mentally,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: I can't do it. They're not going to put a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: gun to your head, you know.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: You shouldn't do probably any other kind of TV for
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: 10 years then.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: No, they had you under, you know, there were strict guidelines.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: You couldn't write a book. You couldn't go and do
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: a telltale, tell all that kind of stuff either. But,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: you know, in the long run, I think when I
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: look back in retrospect, I think it did. It was
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: a really good experience for me again, only because not
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: during it, not when we were filming it, but more
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: so because of the things that I was able to
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: do with that platform.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: And, you know, Housewives fans are forever fans. It's kind
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: of interesting because my boyfriend is an actor and he's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: done like Weeds and a lot of really great shows.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: And he's like, wow, why is it that, you know,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I've done all these shows and movies or series and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: people don't come up to me, but you did this
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: ridiculous show and everybody's like, oh, hi, can I get
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: your autograph? Hi, can I take a picture? And he's like,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. And I would say because it's a cult.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Housewives is a cult.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: It's that and it's also you are yourself. Yeah. And
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: so you're being yourself. We've seen your home. We've seen
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: your kids. We feel like we know you because you
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: were yourself. Also, an actor who plays numerous roles, I
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: think as a fan, you're kind of taught, like, not
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: to go up to those people and not to disrupt
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: their dinner.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: But, you know, hey, it's just a reality star and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: she's being herself. Yeah. You know, and I think when
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: a reality star does rebuff a fan... it's unacceptable because
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: it's like, you're not Julia Roberts, you know? So it's like,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: you better be nice. Yeah, exactly. And not that Julia
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: Roberts would be rude, but at the same time, like,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: I just feel like people, you know, she, they're playing
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: different roles. And so their privacy is their privacy. And
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: by you exposing your life, you know, I see the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: cute boys in one of the episodes and their friends
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: come over and When it came out and then you
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: were going to do the second season, did they like
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: being on camera? Did they resent it? Like, what was
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: their point of view out.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Of it all? My youngest son didn't like it at all.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: How old was he at the time?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: He was eight or nine. Nine, I think. He was nine.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: He didn't like it at all. And he didn't like the.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: That our home had become like a movie set or
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: like a TV set, right? He didn't like the intrusion.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: The older two, they were okay with it. But again,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: they didn't like, they didn't want me to be hurt.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: And that was kind of what happened in the house.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Like sometimes I'd go out filming and I'd come back
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: and I'd be just devastated when we were out, you know,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: doing the show. And I'd come back just exhausted and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: totally like, traumatized basically by some of the way that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I was treated from the women. And, you know, somehow
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: when you're a mom, a single mom, it's very hard
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: to keep that completely tucked away. So they didn't want
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: me to be hurt. So I think second season, none
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: of them, I don't believe they were on second season
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: and none of them watched it. And second season was
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: worse than first season. So you have saved yourself.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: I'll keep watching. I'm going to keep watching. I just started.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: I think with boys, you know, there was a time
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: when I was kind of doing like a pilot reality
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: show pilot for my own show and they were going
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: to be featured because it was about my life and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: it didn't go anywhere. And years later, my son confessed
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: that he was like, if that show was going to go,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: I just wasn't going to participate. And I'm like, Like,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: he didn't tell me then, but he hated it. He
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: didn't like it. He didn't like how they would make
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: them redo stuff. He didn't like all the cameras. He
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: didn't like how long things took. And, you know, I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: think people have to think about that, like, you know,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: in putting their kids out there because you're basically making
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: them work. And it's like TV is the only industry
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: that allows for child labor laws not to be enforced.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, you couldn't make them work in a factory.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: You couldn't make them work at a car wash, but
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: like you can put a mic on them or whether
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: it's social media or whatever, and they just have to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: do it, you know? So it's like- I think that's
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: really interesting. I think oftentimes, just in general, young girls
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: of housewives will like it, will want to do it
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: because it's like a girly thing, you know, and you're
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: with your mom. And the boys are just like, not
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: as thirsty, not into it. Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Now, my middle son is a musician. He lives in Nashville.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: And during season one, I think it was, or season two,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I recorded a song and put it out and it
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: was really great. It went number one in the UK.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: And charted in Canada. And it was about him because
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: he had had a seizure disorder as a child and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: had a lot of issues growing up with it. And
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: so I wrote a song called Hero and it came
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: out and he played guitar on it. And now he's
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Cut to 10 years later, he's now, or over 10 years,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: he's now in Nashville as a singer-songwriter playing every night.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: And so it's kind of cool to see that I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: have that all, that treasure from Housewives where they recorded
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: him and me singing in the music video and all that.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: So that was nice. And he was into it because
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: he's a musician and artist. So he was like, okay,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: this is cool. Maybe this will help my career in
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: the long run.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: I always remember Kris Jenner said that early on in
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: the Kardashians. they were a family that, you know, was
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: always taking photos and had little, whatever the latest video
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: camcorder was. So when the show came, she was like,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: oh my God, of course I want to do it.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: You know, how, how amazing to have, you know, beautiful
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: edited memories. You know, this is before she knew it
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: would go on for 20 years, but like, if anything else,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: how great, like I have this. And I do think it's,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: it's must be so funny when I, and when I
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: talked to the other housewives, like I was with Jill
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Zarin of Real Housewives of New York, and I've known
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: her daughter since she was 13. And a couple of
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: years ago, the first time they started to put all
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: of them on Peacock, this is probably like five years ago.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: or so, that's when we, I was at her house
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: and we started to watch it from the very beginning.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: And Allie, her daughter was like 14. And to watch
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: it with them, they hadn't seen it in years. And
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: we were just dying. We were laughing. We were like,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: like Allie was like, her mom, like, mom, look at
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: what you said to me. You sent me to a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: fat camp. Like what the hell? And of course she's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: beautiful and they're fine and they're still best friends. But
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: like to look back and like laugh at it, it's, Yeah,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: it's just that part of it I think is really fun.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: You know, providing everybody is fine today, it's really fun
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: to actually go back and watch that.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: We did a little bit of that over Christmas. I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: had all my kids down here in the desert because
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: it was airing here and no one had seen it
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: for 10 years at least. So we did put on
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: a couple of episodes and they were like, oh, oh,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: you know, laughing. We couldn't even get through like 10
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: minutes of it before.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: It was just like.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Mom, why didn't you punch her? Yeah, well, I should
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: have in retrospect. Yeah, well, I said you guys would
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: have been upset if I punched her. No, we wouldn't have.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: You should have punched her.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: So you said there's now talk of coming back. So
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: have you heard from the producers saying like, hey, would
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: you be interested? And would it take place in Vancouver?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: Because you said you now live in Palm Springs. Well,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of back and forth. So I'm still spending
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: some like when it's really hot here. like super hot
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: in the summertime. I'm not, I don't stay here.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: So I go back to Vancouver um, or I go
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: back to Ohio to see my dad, but no, I'm
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: pretty much part time. But, uh, yeah, they have reached out. Um,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: and this was about maybe five months ago and they
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: had asked if, um, if I was interested in coming
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: back and that they were trying to get a season
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: three and they were trying to work it with the network. And, um,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: I basically said I didn't know and it depended on
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: the cast. And so they they they're still working on
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: it from what I understand. And they weren't expecting the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: peacock launch or ad. So I think that also might
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: have incentivized incentive. What's that word I'm trying to say?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: Incentivize. Incentivize.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Incentivize them to do it, I mean, to keep going
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: because now it's getting some U.S. exposure, which it didn't before,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: which was so weird when my whole family's here and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're watching it. I'm like, guys, oh,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: my God, it was so long ago.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: And because it was called Real Housewives of Vancouver, do
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: you ever know why Bravo didn't pick it up back
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: in 2013?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if at that point they were just
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: wanting U.S. franchises. It wasn't that they were airing only U.S.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: franchises in the United States at that time. And then
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: they started adding some other ones. But it was a
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Bravo contract that we signed. So it was they bought
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: the rights from Bravo to air it or to produce it.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm just remembering that in 2014... I went,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: my husband and I went to like some Canadian like
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: wellness hotel, something that had like all these treatments that
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: you could get and chirogenics and all that kind of stuff. Wow.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: And they said, oh, we had the Real Housewives of
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: Vancouver here.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, were you at like the Crystal?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, Crystal.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Crystal Place?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were all there.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: That is true. That is true.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: We were all there. Can you remember if that was
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: season one or two? I definitely want to keep watching.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I think it was season one.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: Okay. I don't think I've gotten to it yet. And
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: that's so funny. And I know, yeah, I have a
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: house in La Quinta as well. So yeah, there's so
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: many people that are Canadian that live there. for half
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: the year and then go back to Canada.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: You have to let me know when you're out here.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: We should go for a cocktail.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Wait, I'm going to be there this weekend.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Are you here this weekend?
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're going to go to, we're going to
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: go out in Palm Springs.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm actually in Rancho Mirage. I always
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: say Palm Springs because nobody knows Rancho Mirage. I'm actually
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: in Rancho Mirage.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, we're going to be out this Friday and
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: Saturday with my girlfriends. Oh, please let me know. Yeah,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: we're going to go. I know we're going to go
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: to dinner. We're going to Bar Issy. No, Bar Cecil
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: or Bar Issy. Down there in the Thompson.
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  Speaker 2: The Thompson Hotel.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then I don't know. But no, I'll get your number.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: I'll have your number from the email. Okay, perfect. And
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: then maybe we'll go out because it'd be fun to
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: see you in person.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: Or whatever. Or the next time.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Sure, why not? Who cares? This is part of the show. Okay, yes. Okay,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: so we're going to do a little ending. We can
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: cut out that meeting together. Should I just give my
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: number out for everyone? Yeah. Okay, so we're going to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: wait to see if it comes back. I know you
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: have a podcast. Can you tell us a little bit
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: about your podcast?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: I do. This is my second podcast. I took a
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: hiatus around.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: COVID and I just came back to the Mary Zilba
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: podcast and I really interview people who interest me. Like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a hodgepodge of everything. Like I've got
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: coroners on there. I've had many doctors. I'm very interested
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: in medicine and medicine wellness and things like that. And, um,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: I've had on reality people. I just recently had on
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: somebody from, um, who was an NDE, a Harvard doctor
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: who had an NDE, a near death experience. And, um,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: that was, we haven't aired that one yet. Um, but yeah,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: just really fascinating people. I just find, you know, I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: find interviewing people to be fascinating. I always have, that
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: was my degree in television broadcasting and journalism. And I just, um,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: find people that I just think other people would find
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: fascinating as well and just love hearing their stories.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: So if it was to come back and go straight
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: to Peacock or Bravo and Peacock, Would you, what do
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: you think about BravoCon? Is that something, I mean, now
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: the world is so different as far as the opportunities
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: that come from being on a show like this, as
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: far as brand deals and the exposure that those opportunities
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: just didn't exist when you did it 12 years ago.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: Does that excite you?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's exciting. I mean, to be able to,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: you know, anything that you can utilize as a platform
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: for yourself and to do things that maybe, you wouldn't
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: normally be able to do or to be able to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: help people. And, you know, that's one of the things
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: that I've always known that I've always wanted to do
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: is to be able to be involved in charitable work
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: as well, in which my whole life I've done. So
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: over the course of me being on The Housewives, I've
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: raised probably over $ 3 million for charity. And just having
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: a platform is an amazing thing. And I also am
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: really interested in helping women in many ways of finding
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: their confidence and their place after, The nest is empty
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: and trying to figure all of that out and who
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: we are after that, because I'm going through that now.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: So I'd love to talk more about that subject on
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: my podcast as well. And aging parents that are the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: sandwich generation of trying to figure out who you are
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: while you're still worried about your kids and you're still
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: worried about your parents and you're still and you're just like,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: who am I? So, yeah. So I love that idea
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: of being able to. if BravoCon would be something... I mean, again, though,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: BravoCon is very.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: It's all about the show, isn't it? I mean, really.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a whole other aspect that's gotten... kind of
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: made the people... Some people think it's sort of ruined
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: the women on these shows because it put them at
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: this rock star level because the fans are just like...
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: treat them like the Rolling Stones or something. And before...
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: It's true. It's like when I was really into The
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: Real Housewives of OC and stuff, they were very humble.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: They were like, oh, wow, you watch and oh, you know, oh,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: my God, I can't believe that you're like into it.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: And this is so exciting for us to go to
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: dinner with you or whatever, because not they weren't because
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: there wasn't social media. They just didn't have that kind
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: of stuff going on. Even if they were doing commercials
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: and stuff, it was still like. once the cameras were down,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: they went back to their normal life and everyone in
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: their neighborhood, like ignored them or whatever. And I don't
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: think it's really like that anymore.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: No. And I think that's one of the fans. And
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: one of the things I heard with our show coming
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: back is a lot of the fans like the OG, right?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: They like the original shows because of that factor, what
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: you just talked about, where they don't seem as maybe
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: put on as, you know, they're not a season. We
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: weren't as seasoned. So I think a lot of them
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: are not.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: Going to watch that. I'm sure you did your own
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: hair and makeup. I mean, now every time the cameras come,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: they have the glam, which you have to pay for yourself.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: You have to pay for your glam yourself, at least
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: they do. And, you know, and you probably know that
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: too from when you did it, if you're going to
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: host a party or whatever. Yeah. They didn't pay for that, right? No,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: they did.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: They paid for parties.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, they did?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, for the most part, they did. But it was,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: you know, the makeup bar, they did have some makeup artists,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: but it was more for the confessionals only.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: Right. That's what I heard.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only for that. But everything else, you bought
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: your own clothes. You did, you know, there was no, yeah,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: no bells and whistles, really. Right.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm excited to continue to watch it and have
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: everybody watch it and get in touch and hang out
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: with you out in the desert. So tell everybody what
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: your Instagram is so they can follow you. Okay.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: It's at Mary Zilba. Everything is just at Mary Zilba.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Nothing fancy. And then on YouTube, it's the Mary Zilba podcast.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I would love to anybody who wants to
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: come listen to some interesting guests. I have plenty of
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: them on the podcast.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: Well, that's awesome. Thank you so much. It was so
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: nice talking to you.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Everybody, check out the two seasons. And also it's kind
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: of nostalgic because it is like 12 years old. So
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: it's kind of fun to watch as it escape. Real
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: Housewives of Vancouver on Peacock.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you, Heather. Thank you.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: One reward. Endless choice. Skip the hassle. Reward the easy way.