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- 0:00In the past, the health of people really haven't been at the center
- 0:04of attention for businesses.
- 0:06And a lot of the times, some of the businesses that really run our economy,
- 0:10whether it be in Canada, whether it be in the US, like the fossil fuel
- 0:13companies, have really put people at the lowest end of the society in some cases.
- 0:20It's a real shame to see that and what they've been able to get away with.
- 0:23And for a long time, people were suffering with cancer, high cancer rates
- 0:29and things like that in Chemical Alley in the United States and other places.
- 0:33And today we're gonna be talking about how businesses who are not sustainable and
- 0:37who have problems with providing health problems to people in the surrounding
- 0:42areas of refineries and factories and so forth, and disposal areas, have
- 0:47really made a big problem for people.
- 0:50And that sustainable businesses need to think of the health of the people
- 0:54who not only they serve as providing services and products for, but are
- 0:57people who are in the surrounding areas that are part of the communities
- 1:00where these businesses actually run.
- 1:02And I think today's episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast, we're
- 1:06gonna be really focusing on people and sustainability, especially from, like, a
- 1:09negative point of view of the past that's happened, and areas that were vulnerable
- 1:13communities have really suffered, and how we would like to see a change, and how a
- 1:18lot of places are changing in that way, but not fast enough, and unfortunately
- 1:22in the US, not under this administration.
- 1:24So, today we're gonna be talking about that.
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- 2:06All right, let's get back into the show here.
- 2:07Sustainability is about people.
- 2:10And if we look in the past and how major industries have
- 2:15really screwed people over.
- 2:17Communities living next to industrial facilities carry a
- 2:20disproportionate pollution burden.
- 2:22In Philadelphia, a former refinery released the second highest benzene
- 2:26emissions of any US refinery in 2020 and 2021, even after being shut
- 2:31down, with roughly 117,000 people living within one mile, most of
- 2:36them low-income residents of color.
- 2:39And why is this happening?
- 2:40Like what is really going on?
- 2:42So fentyl in communities consistently show higher poverty rates, higher percentages
- 2:47of residents of color, and high cancer rates and respiratory hazard risk rates
- 2:52than the surrounding city or county.
- 2:55And more people now live in oil and gas development due to expanding
- 3:00extraction techniques and new industrial animal operations, both
- 3:03linked to increased pollutant exposure.
- 3:05And if you look at something that's very, very new to the news world is wildfires.
- 3:10Areas where, you know, forests are catching on fire and they are spreading
- 3:14like crazy are areas where you will see some of our most vulnerable communities.
- 3:19Communities who do not have the infrastructure or the getaway a
- 3:23lot of the times to get out easy, to evacuate their areas easily.
- 3:28Last year and the year before, we talked about the Santa Ana
- 3:30winds in California, Pasadena.
- 3:33It was horrible what we saw.
- 3:34We saw homes go down, people losing pets.
- 3:37They lost homes, they lost memorabilia, they lost a lot of
- 3:40things and their possessions.
- 3:41And now these were homes of affluent communities for the most part, and
- 3:44they were able to get another home.
- 3:46Obviously they were devastated, but they had the means to be able to find
- 3:49places to live and get their family safe and get out as safely as possible.
- 3:53Obviously quickly, and had to be evacuated for some, but still able to
- 3:58get out compared to countries in the north of Canada, Northern Ontario, the
- 4:02Arctic, where indigenous communities who do not have the infrastructure
- 4:06of multiple roads and some, they only had one road in, one road out, could
- 4:11not get out because of the wildfires.
- 4:13They had to be evacuated out by plane or by helicopter multiple
- 4:16times to accommodate all the family members of that community.
- 4:21These are vulnerable communities.
- 4:23Some of them don't even have proper drinking water.
- 4:25Some of them don't have road infrastructure, multiple
- 4:27road infrastructure.
- 4:29Some of them just don't have the communities to rebuild and go back
- 4:32to where they can because there might be another fire there, or they don't
- 4:35have the money to rebuild, or the money is not being put in to rebuild
- 4:38because there's such a disaster around the area that other things have to
- 4:42be rebuilt and maybe prioritized differently That's a scary thought
- 4:45when you are surrounded by wildfires, and these wildfires come in quickly.
- 4:49Anybody who's been around them or studied them knows how
- 4:52fast these wildfires spread.
- 4:53And sometimes you think, "Oh, I have time to get out." No, you don't
- 4:57have time to get out, and you have to get out when they tell you to
- 5:00because if not, it might be too late.
- 5:01A lot of times before a community's evacuated, they give like the get your
- 5:0572-hour bag ready, basically being like within 72 hours you be ready to go at
- 5:10any point in time, because you have to have a go bag and you have to get out,
- 5:13and you have to know how to get out.
- 5:14Think about a massive community of like 100, 200 people up north in very remote
- 5:19areas having to get out all at the same time with one road in, one road out.
- 5:23That's not good.
- 5:25Then you're looking at breathing in all the toxins from the fire, the methane,
- 5:29the metals, everything that comes out, the nasty stuff that comes out of
- 5:32those fires, the smoke from the fire.
- 5:35Then you're looking at communities downwind or upwind, wherever
- 5:38they are, where that wind goes and where the wind blows.
- 5:41You have those communities that have higher toxicity in
- 5:44the air, bad water quality.
- 5:46Toronto had the worst air quality in the world at one point a couple of weeks ago.
- 5:50That was the least that we suffered compared to all these other communities
- 5:53who were devastated by the loss of their homes and their communities
- 5:57and some of them, their loved ones.
- 5:59And again, it's these, companies that continue to contribute to the
- 6:03problem and get away with it with tax breaks and other things and other
- 6:07benefits that they can get away with while building their refineries,
- 6:11while building their oil and gas extraction plants and things like that.
- 6:15And then of course, there's other places where there's like really
- 6:18bad health, outcomes, right?
- 6:20Now, some of the things that, like the consequences you get, like
- 6:23obviously the health outcomes, not just like ecosystem outcomes where
- 6:27it's bad, but directly involved in like industrial siting decisions.
- 6:30There's an ocean tie-in, like the Philadelphia example includes a
- 6:33shipping port among the compounding pollution sources and the direct
- 6:37link between industrial waterfront activities and community health.
- 6:41If you look at New York back in the '50s and '60s and '70s, their water
- 6:44quality was awful along the harbor front.
- 6:46Like, the Hudson River was a disaster.
- 6:49They lost a lot of, like, oysters.
- 6:51They lost their whales, they lost their menhaden because
- 6:53that's when the whales left.
- 6:55And they're just the, the chemicals that were in there from the warehouses and
- 6:58the chemical plants and all that kind of stuff just made it an absolute disaster.
- 7:02And then of course being around that area, inhaling all that smell and the
- 7:06chemicals coming off of that, that couldn't have been good for them either.
- 7:10And then when New York cleaned up its harbor finally, the menhaden
- 7:13came back, oysters were put back in through restoration efforts,
- 7:16expensive restoration efforts, and then eventually the whales came back.
- 7:20And that's great.
- 7:20That's awesome.
- 7:21I think that's great to be able to clean it up, but to get there in the
- 7:23first place is really awful and that's where a lot of people were suffering.
- 7:27And the refineries where they are, the old refineries that are shut down and
- 7:31the example that I talked about at the beginning of this show and refineries
- 7:33that are going on right now are usually in areas where it's poverty-stricken.
- 7:37The people can't afford to move and nobody's gonna buy their
- 7:40homes right next to a refinery.
- 7:42So it's not as if they have a lot of value in their homes other than living in
- 7:45their homes and having their communities.
- 7:46Plus that's where they grew up.
- 7:47That's their history.
- 7:48That's their culture.
- 7:49Those refineries may not have been there when they were first born, but then they
- 7:53got added there without their consultation and without any word from them.
- 7:57And now they're suffering higher cancer rates, higher pollution
- 8:00rates, emphysema, asthma rates.
- 8:02It's awful.
- 8:03These are examples of companies who don't care about the people who are
- 8:07probably their consumers, and they get away with it every single time.
- 8:11And unfortunately, like the states are stepping up as federal environmental
- 8:15justice efforts recede in 2026.
- 8:17So, Minnesota is advancing cumulative impact rules.
- 8:20Illinois created an EPA Office of Environmental Justice, and
- 8:24Massachusetts adopted new siting regulations for energy infrastructure.
- 8:27So, we're seeing states step up where the federal government is lacking, 'cause
- 8:31the federal government has pretty much taken away all the ability for the EPA
- 8:34to do anything, and sometimes the EPA is harming more than it is doing good.
- 8:39And meanwhile, like in federal courts found the EPA unlawfully terminated
- 8:42environmental justice grant funding, because that's what they did when they
- 8:45first came out, 'cause they wanted to get rid of any kind of, quote-unquote,
- 8:47" DEI projects." And that case is still being litigated on appeal.
- 8:52So, the EPA tried to take it away, went to court, a judge says, "Hey, yeah, you can't
- 8:56do this," and now it's being appealed I assume, by the federal government.
- 8:59And this is where we start to feel hopeless a little bit.
- 9:02One, you know the courts are doing their jobs by upholding the laws that
- 9:05were originally put in, in most cases.
- 9:08We've seen a lot of environmental things that the Trump administration
- 9:10has tried to do in the last couple years, and a lot of times they
- 9:13haven't been able to be successful.
- 9:15Although some, they have been able to be successful is opening
- 9:17up marine monuments to industrial fishing and/or artisanal fishing.
- 9:21They're not monitoring those programs either as a way to actually look at what
- 9:25kind of data they can get out of that and looking at the benefits of what a
- 9:27marine protected area has over the last 10, 16 years, or 15 years, has been
- 9:31able to do to replenish those numbers.
- 9:34Unfortunately, they're just not gonna get the value out of that by monitoring that.
- 9:37And in many cases, like this case where there were the EPA unlawfully terminated
- 9:40environmental justice grant funding, that gets held up in court, which is good.
- 9:44So we're starting to see some movement on there, but there's
- 9:46still a lot of stuff that people are fighting that environmental justice
- 9:49people, environmental advocates are fighting, and activists are fighting
- 9:53against the Trump administration.
- 9:54And nonprofit organizations and NGOs who have law divisions, who have
- 9:58people able to take the government to court, they're taking them to
- 10:00court, and they're winning these battles, which is really great to see.
- 10:03Now, there's stuff that you can do.
- 10:05You can understand that protecting the environment and protecting people are
- 10:08the same fight in some communities.
- 10:09I think sometimes you'll hear me or you'll hear people be
- 10:11like, " Hey, you know what?
- 10:12We need to protect the environment.
- 10:14This is one of the best things we need to do." But while protecting the
- 10:17environment, you're also protecting the economy, you're making it more
- 10:20sustainable, you're saving money for businesses, and you're protecting people.
- 10:23You are protecting people.
- 10:25And people will start to say, " Why do we care about the environment?
- 10:27We need to care about the economy." We also need to take care of the health
- 10:30of people, which often gets ignored when we talk about climate change.
- 10:33When we talk about pollution, it gets ignored a lot of the times.
- 10:37And we've seen some really big mistakes that have happened in countries all
- 10:40over the world, but especially in the US, especially as these laws are being
- 10:43contested for protecting the environment.
- 10:45So that's it for today's episode.
- 10:46It's a short one.
- 10:47I just wanted to get that through.
- 10:48Protecting the environment, being sustainable protects
- 10:51people, and that's a very big, important part of sustainability.
- 10:54So I'd love to hear your thoughts.
- 10:56You can DM me in my socials, go to the show notes.
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- 11:30I wanna thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of the
- 11:33How to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 11:34I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
- 11:35Have a great day.
- 11:36We'll talk to you next time, and happy conservation.