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The way that he was depicted was a little bit more. It's all color
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because you don't know what's true and what's not. There's more noise maybe,
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or Oppenheimer's color Leslie is black and white. Okay, well then I have
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no idea what he was saying. Edit that out, delete delete, delete
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delete, Hello, and welcome to made the review. Be with you with
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Nick and Joe. I'm Joe, I'm Nick. Was was that a strategic
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sip that you just planned out right now? Like? Did you did you
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do that knowing that you were going to have a dramatic pause and then say
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your name? I didn't think about it beforehand, And as I grabbed my
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water jug, I was like, this could get interesting. This is what
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this is what professionalism looks like in the business. Folks. Look at you,
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Look at you. What was that even? What was that? It's
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just water? Just water? It was just water. Okay. I just
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got all right, we're not juice I have. We're not sponsored by these
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guys yet, but hopefully we will be. Its element. It's electrolytes that
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are sugar free and they're delicious, and I put them in my water a
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lot. It's got everything that plants need uh yeah, sure, and humans
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because we're severely low on electrolytes mostly daily, so yes, mostly uh.
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Anyway, today we are talking about explosive movie that came into cinema this summer.
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We're talking about Oppenheimer, the twelfth film in Nolan's filmography. Christopher Nolan's
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filmography director that many of which are big fans of. Among those big fans
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are Nick and I Nick oh Man, He's a The way that he tells
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the story is it's probably one of my favorite. He's definitely one of my
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favorite directors. I jump to see anything that he does. It's just so
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unique how he tells the stories with his films, and yeah, like it
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like the entertainment and inspiring level from his films is just like incredible. Yeah,
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the man knows how to tell a story, and I have I think
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for me, my first movie was Memento from him, and ever ever since
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then, I've, like you have kind of marveled at what he's been able
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to craft. For me, I think that was the first time I had
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watched a film and I'd seen somebody really push the limits as to what you
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can do on screen and just telling a story right, just a really creative
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master of his craft, and I'm really happy that, you know, we
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continue to see him flourish and with a movie like this where it really seems
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like he's just burning on all cylinders, you know, yeah, you and
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I have oh go ahead, Sorry, no, no, I was just
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gonna say, like, from start to finish, it was like just completely
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enthralling, Like three hours was nothing like uh, totally just uh it just
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grabbed grabs you from from the get go. Yeah, well, we'll get
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into that because I do want to talk about the timing of this movie.
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I'm pretty sure that this is Nolan's longest film, and there are some comments
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about that as far as whether or not that affected your experience of this movie.
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But we'll get into that later. So I forget, do we do?
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Oh my god? We do? Oh my god? We do?
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No, I just I just realized this is amazing. Did you see it?
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Did you see it on my face? I saw your face? And
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you realize that it was your turn to do it? Is it fifteen seconds?
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It's fifteen seconds? Yeah, we had this problem, yes episodes ago.
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Yeah, screwed you once. But it's fifteen seconds. Okay, Oh
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my god, I didn't mentally prepare for this at all. O't care,
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ladies and gentlemen. Joe has fifteen seconds to give us this full summary of
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this film, in which afterworlds I will grade him on a through f scale.
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Joe, I'm gonna count down. Are you just gonna go? And
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you've got fifteen seconds to tell us about Oppenheimer? Are you ready? You're
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not ready? Right, You're gonna be. I'm ready. I'm just three
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two one action. Robert J. Oppenheimer is a nuclear physicist who discovers that
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there might be a way to take atomic energy and build a bomb. He's
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going to do it to help end the war, but he doesn't realize,
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or does realize and fear that there are social reactions that cannot time. Everything's
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time, time, time, time, time, time time. How do
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you explain energy in fifteen seconds? It's well, Joe, if you were
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a physicist, you would know that time works differently than most don't. Don't
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don't you don't you pull Einstein on me. Neither one of us is qualified
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and quote Einstein in another form of life. You did actually completely summarize this
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in fifteen seconds. However, that is not this life, Sir, and
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this life. I mean it, I'm gonna give you a C minus.
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I'll take it. I'll take it. That was generous, horrifying. It's
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generous because I mean, you got you gave us like a decent you know,
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like what is open, how we're doing, which we all already knew.
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But I'm still giving you a C minus because it was a three hour
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movie. And uh and and I feel like the first half is probably what
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your synopsis was, so uh, you gotta see minus cutting some slack on
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this Sunday evening. I touched the ending, the ending, there's their chain
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reactions that we cannot stop. Yeah, I don't think I said it quite
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that coherently though. No, And it might have been a second after your
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time was up, but we'll refer to the tape for that later. Fifteen
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seconds is so fast, it's very like anyway I said start, and you
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literally took a second to start speaking. Like I watched it happen. I
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was like, this guy's already screwed. Wait, seriously, I thought I
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was like, I thought, I was like that maybe there was something weird
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with our timing. It could also been recording by like latency, So really,
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you did thirteen seconds at a fifteen very possible because of latency. That's
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funny, cool cool never stood a chance. I'll find out. I'll find
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out when i'm uh, when i'm editing whether or not that that was actually
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fifteen seconds. I'm going to put it in right here, So taking a
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look at the replay and post edit, it was actually fourteen seconds. Thanks
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Nick, Okay, that would have been the answer, And I was right.
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Nick screwed me. I'm really doubling down on that. It screwed me
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again. More editing for you when you have to go back. Yeah,
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when I'm wrong and I have to chop this part out. Yeah, And
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that's this part where Nick was right. Nick was not right anyway, All
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right, Oppenheimer, three hour biopick. If you had told me that the
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three hour biopick would have been one of one of the blockbuster successes of the
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summer, I would have asked you were their transformers in it, because there's
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no way traditionally that would ever be the case. But Christopher two things right,
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Christopher Nolan has that name recognition, right, he puts butts in theater
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seats. And then two, it had the luxury of the Barbenheimer effect,
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right with Barbie, which, yeah, that's a whole different thing. We
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can get into that in a different episode. And historically, there are similarities
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between our timeline right now and you know about eighty or so years ago when
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this actually took place, so you know, that was a time of great
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crisis, and now we are essentially from a cyclical standpoint in a similar timeframe.
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So I wonder if there was some kind of like you know, similarity
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between like how people feel now and how obsessed that the world is with like
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historical things from World War Two, and it's just like all kind of perfectly
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came together to tell the story right now and this kind of time where many
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of us feel like we are on the brink of like another nuclear type event,
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in which case Oppenheimer would have been responsible for that as well, weirdly,
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because he started the whole thing. It's a completely like mind bending storyline.
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Yeah, So you're saying that this movie kind of works for the time
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that we're in because it resonates with a lot of the feelings that so many
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of us have looking at like world news, right. Yeah, Yeah,
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I think that there's probably a lot of truth to that. You know,
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you wonder how in the world did we get to this point today, and
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then you have this movie that says this is how Yeah, right, it
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started with this, and I think you and I talked about it before this
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show. You know, the atomic bomb, the trinity test is certainly not
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something I know a lot about, nor have I ever been inspired to look
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up anything about it, which seems absolutely insane when you stop to think about
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how miraculous and horrifying that something like that exists. You know, right,
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right, why wouldn't you want to know more about that? About the death
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bomb? I think it's both. It's a little bit of both, right,
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It's like you should you would think that you would want to know more
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about history, maybe in order to prevent it from happening again. But then
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you also don't want to know too much because in some cases it's so horrifying
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that you'd rather just not know. So you kind of just go through without
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really knowing all the details until the movie like this comes out and you're like,
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oh, my goodness, there's some details I wasn't aware of. Now
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let me go look online and read more about this. Oh yeah, pretty
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wild. Before we dive into story beats, or anything of the actual film.
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I just want to say there is I went into this film excited because
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it was an Olan film, but also I was legitimately kind of scared.
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I was scared that I knew obviously we were going to see the Trinity Test.
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I was horrified that we were going to see an actual depiction of Nagasaki
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in Hiroshima. Yeah, and I was. I felt like that that that
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you know, in the hands of even you know, an amateurish director,
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you know that that's a pretty nightmare scene. But in the hands of like
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a director who knows what the hell they're doing. I was legitimately scared to
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witness something like that, and I'm really glad that we didn't. There was
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one scene where you get kind of a taste of it, right, Yeah,
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I was horrifying enough, and like, h the way that he told
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that part of the story was so brilliant and just terrifying. That alone,
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I was like, oh my god, this is horrible. Like it's like,
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you know, we weren't alive back then, and the only thing we
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know is from history. But like I mean, regardless of what the political
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and you know, social reasons were for you know, getting involved in some
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kind of like nuclear war aside. The fact that like this was dropped on
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innocent people as well is just like so disgusting and terrifying. And then it
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just makes you think about like the future of it happening again while we're alive,
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and it's really like, oh my god. I was like, I
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was very emotional and slightly like scared when I walked out of the theater.
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It was very interesting. It's never happened me before. Wild I definitely felt
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that as well. For those curious, just to put some details into it.
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The scene that we're referencing is Killian Murphy Oppenheimer addressing crowd of scientists I
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believe right. It's a scientist, and he's at the end. Ye.
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Yeah, he's talking about the success of the bomb, and it's kind of
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at first, kind of bathing in the clout of it all, and there's
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this enormous applause that's going on, and he seems to disassociate from the moment
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and he looks at one woman and in the light of a bomb that is
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irradiating the room, he witnesses her skin falling from her face, and it's
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it's disgusting, it's horrifying. And I think you said it greatly, Nick,
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you know, like it really kind of makes you appreciate how what what
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it is that they're clapping for that, right, this nightmare that they've unleashed.
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Yeah, and also there was a scene too, I think where he
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steps he steps through a body that's been completely burned and it just like falls
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to pieces. Yeah, like oh knots in your stomach, you know,
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yeah, like oh yeah, because you didn't get footage like that from back
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then. The digital stuff wasn't as good right in the forties, so no,
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they recreated all that. It's another level of detail, which would make
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it even more horrifying to happen today because the amount of detail that would be
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online will be wild. So anyway, let's get into like some of our
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I don't know, I guess favorite parts of the film, right, like
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or most interesting parts for me, Like the physicist part is so enthralling,
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and I don't I didn't realize how many of them were alive at the same
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time, some of these important physicists, you know, and you like as
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like Einstein, Oppenheimer, You've got bor like Neil's Bohr and all these other
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guys. It's like what, I like, you know who they are if
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you're into any of this stuff, and and and unless you've like really deep
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dived and paid attention to dates, I don't think you completely understand like how
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much they interacted with each other. And this movie kind of like put that
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in the light where it's like, oh, yeah, interacted with each other
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a lot more than I was thinking from the limited knowledge I have about history
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in that department, And it was like kind of really cool to get that
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viewpoint. It is really cool. Reminded me of something that I became aware
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of, I think, like ten years ago, of the same idea regarding
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artists, like that, you know, you had f Scott Fitzgerald, Hemingway,
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Gertrude Stein, Pablo Picasso who all lived at the same time and were
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all like in the same locations at the same time and probably and did interact
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with each other. And it's so wild to think that these influential people of
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history, these mythos that we regard them now, right, that they were
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just people and they they were all just talking to each other at some point
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or another, right, Like there was a room where they were all hanging
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out, right, and like that's that's what you're describing, right, like
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this room where all these brains got to talk and influence the way the world
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would go. Right. Yeah, the movie does a pretty great job of
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painting that, you know, the people, the spearheaders of the world were,
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you know, all right there in that era. You know. So
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for me, like I mean, I have there's one part that is my
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favorite, but I'm gonna wait to talk about it because this is a scene
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that we have to talk about whether it's your favorite or not. But something
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I really loved was the so no one has a you know, a habit
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of he loves quick quick edits. He loves quick cuts right in all of
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his films, and in this one there is in the very beginning, we
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see Oppenheimer is very obsessed with the idea of ripple effects, right, and
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we keep watching puddles in which range droplets are falling into into the water and
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creating countless ripples, right, And you know, I had my I'm sure
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we all did, you know. When we're looking at that sort of imagery,
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it's very thought provoking, and you know, you're thoughts automatically go to,
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Okay, this is maybe this is some kind of metaphor for a nuclear
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chain reaction, because you know there's a ripple that is involved, right,
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there's a chain that is happening, right, but only to take that metaphor
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even further right, and we watch that from the beginning of the movie,
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we had ripples of water, right, and then at the very end of
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the movie, we have these ripples of fire that are covering the planet.
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Right. I think that to me is like my favorite part. Right.
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It's not like a scene where someone's talking, right, it's just the imagery.
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Like, I just loved that connection, Like that was that was brilliant,
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a really cool way to bring it home. Yeah, he had the
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use of that is was fantastic throughout the film, right, and he like
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he's so good at the storytelling part, right, because you're kind of flipping
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back and forth between different parts of time throughout the movie. You know,
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you've got like the you've got the hearings going on, and he've got his
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interview going on, like with security clearance interview towards the end of the movie
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going on. But it's kind of flipping back and forth into like past and
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present as well during that timeframe, So you're getting all these like different eras
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of time to tell this coalesive story, and then you've got like the imagery
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of the ripples kind of just throughout the whole film at different parts of his
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life, and then all that kind of culminates at the very end too,
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which is really cool and terrifying. So I thought that Killian Murphy's performance was
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as fantastic he should be on the nomination list. I wouldn't imagine for Best
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Actor. I thought Robert Downey Junr. Was fantastic. I didn't know the
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full history of all the parties involved in this whole atomic bomb process, and
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so I when I saw Downey Jr. In the previews, I was like,
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Oh, cool, he's in the movie. And I didn't realize how
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important of a role his character played, and so like, I was not
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expecting to see him as often as we did, So that was really cool.
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Random some random cameos in this film, like Josh Peck. Josh that
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was the one that was the one yesterday when we were talking about this movie,
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it was Josh Peck. That was the one that threw me through a
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loop, comes out of nowhere like heart knets in it, Like you know,
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Josh Heartthrob, heartnets back back at it, uh, you know,
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and and Florence Pugh is fantastic, Emily Blunt fantastic. I'm missing the names
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on some other people right now, but yeah, I can't believe you haven't
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said Matt Damon yet. Matt Damon of course. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
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It was a you know, really great, great cast. And I
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feel like Nolan brought out like a bunch of extra like kind of surprise appearances
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than maybe what he normally does in films because there were so many people involved
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with this, with the making of the atomic bomb, before and afterwards,
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with the trials and all these things that he was like able to kind of
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like really dig deep into, like picking a couple actors and actresses to kind
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of show up and play parts, which is cool because a lot of his
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films have a tighter cast, right, like they have like it's a story
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that he's sometimes a lot of time created on his own or that he's telling
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again, but it's a story that has like a limited amount of people that
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are typically involved, so you don't have like the depth of characters necessarily,
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and this kind of have like there were so many people involved that he kind
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of I feel like he really like went into his bag of like actors he
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could and actresses he could get to play small roles in this which is really
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cool. What did you think of You know, you brought up Emily Blunt
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earlier and I found her performance her performance is great for the record, because
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she's Emily Blunt and everything she does is awesome. Facts she she plays Kiddie
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Oppenheimer, right, her her character is bananas in this movie, and like
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truly bananas. I'd have to watch it again to really I think solidify my
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opinion on this. But I think the scene with her that like really like
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caught me off guard, and I couldn't tell if it was because like because
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the writing was good and like that's why I caught me off guard? Or
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was something missing here? It's the scene where she's being interrogated, right or
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interviewed, and it doesn't quite go the way you're expecting it to like it
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might do. I am I remembering correctly that she she listed herself as a
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therapist. Is that right? Or is that the other woman? I think
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she I think she lists herself as a therapist. Anyway, she kind of
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comes out guns of blazon on this attorney who's attempting to uh help her help
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him discredit Appenheimer. Right, But at first she she looks like she's gonna
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play like the shy, scared wife right right for like a for like maybe
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the first like thirty seconds while he's kind of like letting her have it.
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She really looks like skittish and like like she's gonna be easy prey for this
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attorney. And then she like flips the switch and she just goes like absolutely
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bonkers on this guy. And I was like, this is awesome. Turns
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into like a total power wife, like uh and she fights right because she's
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been telling an Oppenheimer like why aren't you fighting, Why aren't you fighting for
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yourself? Like blah blah blah blah, and he's just like taking he's not
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even answering her during these scenes in the movie. He like looks kind of
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like defeated or shell shocked or whatever it is, and like, and I
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think what I got from that was that he knew that he can't fight for
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himself. That like it's not going to mean as much as if she like
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turns it on in the room and fights fights for him. It might mean
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more to the committee potentially. I'm not sure if that's what they were going
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for it, but that's how I felt when I saw the scene. Well,
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yeah, going back to that, why why do you think like overall,
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like even outside of the context of that scene, like, why do
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you think he's not fighting for himself? Right? What do you think it
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is? I think like internally, he probably like thinks he deserves it in
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some ways because what he did was truly horrifying. Like he didn't he didn't
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give the order and he didn't drop the bomb from the plane. But he
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was the big, huge part in creating this you know, world or country
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destroying device that he also knows now will just exponentially become part of more countries
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arsenals. So he didn't just destroy the cities you know that he knows and
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and Hiroshima and Nakasaka, Nakasaki. He he knows that he will have potentially
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destroyed other cities in the future that he may not even be alive to see
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get destroyed. So he's like, internally, he's like I deserve all this,
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like I have no fight in me or whatever. I think. I
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think the movie is trying to portray that, right that he has this inner
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struggle, right, And I think that's best characterized in in his like very
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like strong desire throughout the movie to make sure that Roosevelt's ideas of governing this
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atomic power are honored with the United Nations, right, you know. He
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he keeps like reinforcing that throughout the like the entire movie, like over and
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over and over again. And yeah, I would say that's why, right,
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because he has this extreme guilt, this profound guilt. I cannot attest
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to the actual Oppenheimer. I'm sure that this movie romanticizes the character in a
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lot of ways, but I'm talking strictly in the context of this movie,
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right, Yeah, I think that's what they're going for. I think,
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well, it's not always clear, right because like he's not saying right.
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I think that's what you can determine from Killian's performance, right, which and
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again really liked that. I wonder if it has to do with the book
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that gave Nolan the idea, right, because Robert Pattinson, after Tenant,
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had given him a book of like open no it was I think it was
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like a personal writings of Oppenheimer, was the actual book And if I if
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my research was correct. It's not something you can easily buy. It's like
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very expensive and I couldn't really find this specific thing. But that led Nolan
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to then buy I think one or two other books on Openheimer to read.
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If I'm not mistaken, and that's where he kind of got this, then
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that's what he wrote the script from. I think all all those sources.
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So I really would love to see what the actual book was that Pattinson gave
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Nolan, because if it is like a book of writings personally of Oppenheimer,
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there's got to be some stuff in some context in there that led Nolan to
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kind of give a Killian or Oppenheimer in this movie, some like you know,
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direction from like the attitude and things like that. I don't know.
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That's like my inkling based on what I had read. I'm not sure if
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you're are you looking it up right now? I was trying to. Yeah,
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I did not find it because what comes up is like the Jay Oppenheimer
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like autobio or they're not autobio biography, but like that's what Nolan, like
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I think got himself. But what Pattinson actually gives him, I think is
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just like a notebook of writings from Oppenheimer. Yeah, it's it's a collection
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of speeches. Speeches, that's what it is. Yeah, so like it's
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not quite the biography stuff, and it's not American Prometheus either. So but
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he did read those and create to help him with the script. But there's
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got to be some speech stuff in there or from that book that like he
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used as like, Okay, this is what I think he's maybe feeling when
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he's saying these things like or whatever during the speech is potentially m M.
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You know you you brought up the large repertoire. Sorry, I got to
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go back to this, the large repertoire of actors who got to make cameos
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throughout this movie. Uh, there's a big one that you did not mention,
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or if you did, I missed it because I was I was waiting
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for you to say Matt Damon. But we also got Gary Oldman in this
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movie, oh, as President Truman. I totally forgot it was Truman.
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I didn't recognize him at all. Uh. Someone had to tell me after
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the film was over that that was Gary Oldman, And like it blew my
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mind immediately because it was like, hey, of course it was Gary Oldman
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and and me like, Wow, what a great performance from from him in
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just like one quick scene. Right. I had that spoiled for me before
28:07
the film, so I knew that was him when I was watching it.
28:10
But he's like a great he's such a good chameleon when he's like playing roles
28:15
for whatever reason, it's not always so easy to notice that it's him if
28:18
you don't know going in, you know, like I think for years I
28:22
didn't realize he was serious Black and Harry Potter, Like I had no I
28:26
had no idea, and then one day someone told me and I was just
28:27
like, oh my, oh my god. I just flip out. Uh
28:33
yeah, that was really good. Oh god. Those scenes are so cool
28:40
when the Oppenheimer's in the room trying to like show remorse or something, you
28:45
know, and then Truman's like, you didn't drop the bomb, I gave
28:48
the order or whatever, you know, Like, yeah, nobody remembers the
28:52
guy who made the bomb, right, Yeah what a scene. Yeah crazy,
28:57
No, one didn't make a film about you, Truman. That's all
29:00
I'm saying. So let's talk about the bomb in the room. Let's talk
29:10
about Trinity test. This was the scene that I was referencing earlier that I
29:14
feel like, you know, you gotta yet gotta talk about this scene.
29:21
Holy shit, It's like it's Nolan's like a commitment to not using CGI makes
29:29
movies better, Like incredible, like that everything we saw was done live and
29:36
then with chemerac effects, completely unbelievable and terrifying, terrifying, like totally freaking
29:42
insane. Oh yeah, uh you you go, you you. I wanted
29:52
to say more, I'm just still in shock, I think, so,
29:56
I mean this, this was the big moment of the movie, right,
29:57
This is what everybody come to see, is the big bomb gets dropped,
30:03
right, and before we even get to that point, I just want to
30:07
say, like, I don't know how you achieve this. It is the
30:12
idea of weight, you know. Okay, so hear me out. There's
30:19
a line in Memento that I think about a lot, and he says,
30:22
no, there are certain things that you never forget, Like even with my
30:26
condition, there's certain things that you just always remember. When I pick this
30:30
up, I know what it's going to feel like, I know how heavy
30:34
it's going to be. And that's the kind of memory that you can't take
30:37
away from me. It's built somewhere deep inside of me. I know those
30:41
things. It's a tactile memory that you can't strip away. Okay, when
30:45
I saw the bomb, the bomb that they had built. Somehow, I
30:52
have never held the bomb. I have never touched the bomb, but I
30:56
know just by looking at the movie, just how he's like, how he's
31:00
filming this bomb, how it's been designed to look on set. I know
31:04
how fucking heavy it is. I know what it looks like, and somehow
31:08
I know how scared everyone is when they are working around the bomb. Delicately.
31:15
There's this sense of weight to that, like to that scene that I
31:19
don't know how you explain to somebody how you do that, how you create
31:26
something on camera and then tells the audience this is how much something weighs,
31:30
without actually telling you how much it weighs. You know, there's a tactile
31:37
on this to that scene that's so impressive. It looks like the this thing
31:41
looks like the kind of thing where like if you just like poked it wrong,
31:45
it explodes. Yeah, it truly like even before you get to the
31:51
bomb drop like that and of itself is amazing to me. And then of
31:56
course you get the built up right and yeah, yeah, hell of a
32:00
build up. As everyone's getting prepared, there's some people who are treating this
32:06
like, oh, it's gonna be a big spectacle, you know, which,
32:08
like of course there were people who are treating it like that. No
32:10
nobody knows, right, there are some people who did understand, but not
32:15
enough. Right, you know, you're watching the one guy put on sunblock
32:21
just hilarious and so sad because you know that guy probably got cancer rightly,
32:27
all did, Yeah, you knows. As this scene is happening, like,
32:32
it's so funny to me that like, you know what's about to happen,
32:36
you know from history, even if you don't even know history that well,
32:37
you know what's going to happen. And it's still like, I'm so
32:42
nervous watching this scene. The actual tension that they build, well, it's
32:49
the tension, but then it's your expectations, like this scene is gonna be
32:51
awesome, It's going to be so awesome, and then the tension is building
32:54
and and like in the back of your head you're like, it can't possibly
32:58
be as awesome as I think it's going to be. And then it's better
33:00
somehow, you know, And and part of that is just the actors,
33:01
right, I mean, the the phenomenal job throughout that whole scene was incredible.
33:06
Plus you know, I found out later that the wind that blew the
33:10
delay the delay like you know, I'm calling it wind, but it's forgetting
33:17
the actual term the shock I'm not sure shockwave, shockwave, the shockwave,
33:24
like Nolan apparently had mechanism mechanisms in place to have that shockwave go off without
33:34
telling the actors, and so their reactions were like you know, in character,
33:39
not expecting a shockwave, you know, so it's like even more raw,
33:43
which is like also so much trust in the actors that you've put in
33:45
that scene to react how they're supposed to and not like turn into you know,
33:52
their actual real selves and like what what was that? You know,
33:57
they're like freaking out. And because of all the people, you get the
34:01
different you know, attitudes of people. Right, Like, you put ten
34:05
people in a room and tell them something, they're all going to react differently.
34:08
Right, you get forty people on a set, or forty people building
34:13
an atomic bomb, and then they all get to watch a test thing go
34:15
off, They're all going to have a different reaction. Some of them are
34:17
gonna just be completely enthralled in cheer. Some of them are going to be
34:22
terrified because I know the damage of this can unleash later. Some of them
34:24
are gonna just being complete shocked and be silent. You know, you get
34:29
like all of that in the scene. It's just like, oh, it's
34:30
just so well acted and directed, is It's? It was impressive? Yeah,
34:37
no, it truly was. And I before you know, we talk
34:42
about the actual explosion, just to come back to the Josh Peck in the
34:46
room. So he has a quick appearance before this scene where like they're in
34:53
Los Alamos, and like I think he like takes a message for Oppenheimer,
34:59
Like he like grabs a paper and then walks out of the room. I
35:00
don't only think he even says anything, but like when I saw him,
35:04
I was like, holy shit, was that Josh Pack? Like and I
35:06
doubted it. I was like, no, that couldn't have been Josh Pack.
35:08
And then like we get back to this scene and like the intensity of
35:13
this scene and all of a sudden, it's Josh Peck and like he's on
35:15
the button. He's like, okay, you tell me when, And like
35:20
the only thing I could freaking think while I'm watching this is make it like
35:24
the whole time, like it's like kind of taking me out of the scene.
35:28
I was like, I'm happy for Josh Peck. I am happy for
35:30
him, but I wish it was someone else. Yeah, that's funny.
35:35
The whole time, I just kept thinking makeing. Well, I'm I'm glad
35:38
then that I saw that I knew that he was in the movie as well,
35:40
because it didn't shock me as much. Ah, so that's good.
35:44
There are some perks to having not being able to see it within the first
35:47
few weeks, for things out of my control. So I had a couple
35:53
of things spoiled from a who's in the movie perspective, which to me is
35:57
not a big deal. And with something like that could that could have also
36:00
taken me out if I would have seen it without knowing. So I'm glad
36:02
that I knew of going it. It's one of those things where you're like
36:07
this, this isn't bad because like he's doing everything he needs to do and
36:10
like, you know, he's not a bad guy. So it's like,
36:13
yeah, I'm happy for him, but man, this is distracting. Yeah,
36:19
but you know that was quickly erased because you know, Trinity test and
36:23
the bomb drops, and yeah, like you said, Nick, you know,
36:27
you get this brilliant light display and it's the kind of thing that you
36:31
see and you just like wonder, how in the world do you do this
36:34
without digital effects? Phenomenal? Phenomenal? Yeah, total incredible. Yeah.
36:43
So I actually I was gonna ask you this, but I'm going to tell
36:45
you what my experience of this was. So, you know, the light
36:50
happens, right, and everyone's so entranced with it, and it's it's so
36:53
wild. And in my theater, I am sitting there and I'm like,
37:00
when does the boom hit them? No, like because like you're sitting in
37:06
silence, right, I was with people did not expect the boom? Really
37:13
the boom? Yeah, the boom snuck up on a lot of people in
37:15
my So these people just have no idea how bombs work in general? Then
37:19
no, no, no, it's scared either that or they were just like
37:22
so like entranced with like what they were and they just forgot and it scared
37:28
the hell out of them. I was sitting next to one person, We're
37:31
so spoiled Americans have no idea how bomb operates. Geez. Yeah, in
37:37
that statement, how how ridiculous. Right, mm hmm, wow, all
37:42
right, continue, No, uh yeah, just scared the hell I just
37:45
died of them. Yeah, I was waiting. I was I was like
37:49
you, I was like, okay, delay, this is going to be
37:52
epic, this is gonna be coming, coming, It's coming. It was
37:55
wild. No, yeah, be best seeing in the movie. Okay.
38:01
But that leads me into my question for you, because the best in the
38:05
movie, though, seeing that everyone's waiting for is the bomb. Right,
38:10
That's not the end of the movie. We've got one third of the movie
38:15
left. And this is what I was talking about. As far as people
38:17
who have critiques about this, I think this is an interesting thing to bring
38:22
up because you could make the argument that the climax of the movie is in
38:25
fact the bomb exploding. Right. But there's a whole other section to this
38:30
movie and the story that it's trying to tell, and that is the social
38:37
ramifications that come from this. Right, And we get in another hour regarding
38:44
the discrediting of Oppenheimer's character, the removal of social his not social sorry,
38:52
his security clearance, yes, and then the trials that are going on regarding
38:58
the aftermath of the actual bomb. Right now, A lot of people have
39:02
said that the hour that it takes to tell that story kind of undercuts the
39:09
climax. It's like, well, like I'm I just saw something really exciting,
39:15
and now I'm like forced to like listen to these like courtroom dramas,
39:22
and I'm not nearly as into that as what I just saw. Do you
39:25
think do you agree with that statement? Do you think that that harms the
39:30
movie in anyway? No? I I totally disagree like that. That part
39:37
of the movie was like, in some cases for me, like even better
39:42
than the first two thirds, you know, because it's they they talk about
39:46
it earlier too, right, Like there's a there's a scene I forget who
39:49
he's talking to, but I think he it's when he's trying to he's at
39:52
the very beginning of the movie, when he's trying to recruit scientists to come
39:54
to those almost one of them like refuses to come. And it's not because
40:00
he knows that the work they're doing is important. It's because he knows that
40:05
once they're done and if it works and they use it, it's the aftermath
40:12
that they'll come for down the road at you know, like the scientist that
40:17
refuses to come like calls it out and just goes like once that, once
40:22
they've forgotten why you did it, they'll come for you, basically, And
40:28
I don't know what the wording was, but that's essentially what it was,
40:30
right, And that's what the last half of the movie is. It's there's
40:32
a new regimen that takes over the world changes, and now the world doesn't
40:38
need Oppenheimer anymore, and now he's a security risk, and so like it's
40:45
a it's it's telling a complete story about like an insane invention that in many
40:52
cases ends the major world war is like the final piece that completely ends war
40:57
for a while and gets this new pair of started of life globally, and
41:01
then eventually they forget the reasons why it had to be done or why they
41:07
thought it had to be done, whatever side you're on about that, right,
41:10
And then now he's a troublemaker or he's got a problem, and you
41:17
have to tell that part. And I thought it was incredible how it was
41:21
done. I agree with all that. I think the I understand why people
41:30
feel that way, right, why they feel like I'm not really into this
41:35
hour of dialogue, right, I get it. But I think there are
41:38
two things to remember, and I actually I think you brought on both,
41:42
but I want to clarify two of them, the first being that this is
41:46
not the Trinity Test movie. This is the Oppenheimer movie. And Rappenheimers,
41:52
as the movie depicts, like, is more than just you know, the
41:54
bomb. It's certainly his legacy and is what he's known for, But man
42:00
had a lot more going on than just that, and his story did not
42:05
end with the test, right, And in some ways I agree with you,
42:09
you know, like I think I don't think it was more exciting for
42:13
me than the bomb exploding, but like the courtroom proceedings were really interesting,
42:17
right, And I think a lot of the nuance of that is really reflective
42:24
of some of the things that we see today. Right by that same virtue,
42:30
I think that's the other reason why people tend not to enjoy the lat
42:35
or not that they did enjoy it, but enjoy less the last the last
42:37
hour, right, I think people, I think overall, it is easier
42:45
to understand the story of the bomb dropping, right, that's a very straightforward,
42:51
linear story, if you will, right, Whereas the political intrigue of
42:57
this is really complicated, and you know, if you just want to see
43:00
a bomb go boom then like, yeah, I get it, not as
43:04
interesting, but this is where the true story is right right as the Yeah,
43:13
the true story is what happens after and what's going to happen even further
43:16
than that, which is like where this whole you know, where it ends
43:22
with. I don't know if we want to get to the end part but
43:24
yet, but I do, but I want to do one more thing before
43:29
we before we get to it, because we got to talk about the end
43:31
right timelines. Uh. Nolan is someone who loves to play with nonlinear storytelling,
43:42
and I didn't think that that was going to be something that happened with
43:45
this movie. I was pleasantly surprised to see that that was happening. You
43:50
know. I saw a little bit of the prestige in this movie. Has
43:52
a little bit of Memento in this movie. And you know, when I
43:58
first saw the scattered timeline that we were witnessing, I didn't recognize what it
44:05
was. I don't know if you did like that it was you know,
44:08
colored was Oppenheimer's story versus like Black and White was high future. Joe here
44:15
coming from you at post production. I'm here to correct something that past Joe
44:19
is about to erroneously say, and that's General Leslie Groves. Every time you
44:24
hear him say General Leslie Groves or Groves, he means Lewis Strass. History
44:30
wasn't our strong point, Okay, that's all Leslie Groves's story. I thought
44:37
at first that because I didn't quite recognize at first that the Leslie Grove stuff
44:44
was happening in like like when we just got it, it was happening in
44:46
the future, right right, Oh no, I did, my bad,
44:51
Okay. So this was my thought that everything in color was the past and
44:54
everything in the future was black and white. And I was like, okay,
44:58
when they get to bomb everything, like the bomb's going to explode like
45:02
with color, and like color will fade from the world and it's gonna be
45:07
like black and white, because like that's the way the world is after that,
45:09
after the bomb goes out, it's all black and white. Obviously that
45:13
was not what it was, but that's what I thought was going to happen.
45:17
So, like, I think I realized like maybe five or ten minutes
45:22
before the bomb went off that that was not the case, because I think
45:24
I saw something in black and white, and I was like, oh,
45:27
wait, that's that's definitely before the bomb goes off. You know what's wild
45:32
is they flip between those two things like black and white in color throughout the
45:37
film and I did not notice once from a perspective of like it ruining my
45:45
viewing, Like I not one point in three hours was I like, oh,
45:49
they just flipped back to black and white. Oh, they just flip
45:52
back back to color. I did not. It didn't even the thought didn't
45:55
occur to me, like I knew when we were in the present, and
46:01
I knew when we were in the past, and I knew when we were
46:04
maybe in the future right of the film, which is again like the brilliance
46:08
of the filmmaking process and the storytelling process, because why not You're saying it
46:12
was smooth and it didn't confuse. It was so smooth. I was not
46:15
confused. It didn't even come up because of how smooth it was. So
46:19
it's awesome, just awesome, you know now that you say that, Yeah,
46:22
I guess I never lost track of where I was in the story.
46:27
I guess for me, the only reason why I was confusing was because I
46:30
was trying to anticipate why I was witnessing the nonlinear story, right, right,
46:35
But like when I actually think about it, Yeah, the actual like
46:38
placement of it was not confusing, right, What do you think of the
46:44
use of it though, Like, why do you think it was what it
46:45
was? Like? Why was it? Why was Oppenheimer in color? Why
46:49
was Leslie Groves and black and white? Well? Maybe because you know it
46:55
at least the way that the film was depicted with With Oppenheimer, you kind
46:59
of knew what you were getting. He was more open and honest about this,
47:04
where he where his head was throughout the film, and what he what
47:07
his plans were and were not, and and Leslie Girls was maybe playing a
47:12
role and trying to figure out how he could get ahead. And so his
47:17
the way that he was depicted was a little bit more it's all color,
47:22
because you don't know what's true and what's not. There's more noise. Maybe
47:30
Oppenheimer's color Leslie is black and white. Okay, well, then I have
47:35
no idea what to say. Edit that out, delete, delete, delete
47:42
delete. Did you even watch the movie? I did, But I told
47:46
you it's flowed so well that I wasn't like sure, like what was black
47:50
and white? But now that you're like I'm picturing the jury at the end
47:52
or the corm at the end, I'm like, oh wait, yeah,
47:53
that wasn't black and white, So I'm not sure. Well, I mean,
47:57
to be fair, there are some scenes where you get both right,
48:00
like right, like the end, like the end, you see both in
48:02
color and in black and white. I don't I don't know the best the
48:08
best of my ability as to like why he decided that, and like I'm
48:13
gonna ask you a favorite Nolan films towards the end of this, but like,
48:15
I think the reason why this one stands out in particular to me is
48:19
like he took a lot of like I mean, obviously, every movie he
48:22
does has artistic direction. Every director has artistic direction, but like, there
48:25
is a lot of like artsier decisions in this movie that I I don't think
48:30
i've seen him like he did the decision for the sake of art rather than
48:35
just like this this is a cool story thing I can do, you know,
48:39
And to the best of my ability, I don't know what's in his
48:43
head. I don't know if we'll ever know why he did what he did.
48:46
But my guess is maybe it's because you know, Oppenheimer. Obviously they
48:52
have two different ways of seeing the world, right, And the way Oppenheimer
48:57
sees it is like he sees like it for all its detail, right,
49:00
Like he sees like every the horrifying beauty of everything, right, whereas like
49:07
maybe Groves like, to him, the world is just black and white,
49:10
like you're either on his side or you're not. I don't know, that's
49:13
the best I got. Yeah, that's uh, that's probably what I would
49:15
have said if I had my ducks in a row when I started speaking.
49:19
So I like that process. May for all I know, there's a more
49:25
clear and smarter, low hanging fruit that I totally just missed because I tend
49:31
to overthink these things. Yeah, but that's that's my best guess. Yeah,
49:37
that makes sense. I like that. Let's let's get this chain reaction
49:43
in conversations. Uh So, like the ending obviously ends with the what was
49:50
said to Einstein at the beginning of the film, right Like towards the beginning
49:53
of the film, when Grows recruits Oppenheimer to was it teacher at Berkeley,
50:04
He goes outside to me Einstein and whispers something to him, and Einstein walks
50:08
by. Grows deadpand and ignores him, and like, you get that scene
50:15
and you wonder, like what did he say? And then you know,
50:17
you get the next two something hours of the movie and you kind of forget
50:21
that the scene happens. But throughout the film you get more Einstein references.
50:25
Is and at one point when Oppenheimer and the rest of the scientists realize that
50:30
there's a new year zero chance that when unleashing a bomb could start a chain
50:35
reaction and essentially blow up the world because the atoms just keep pinging off each
50:38
other and it lights up the air and just engulfs everything. He goes to
50:46
Einstein and asks him what he thinks, and then I forget. I think
50:54
Einstein says, to trust the trust the physicists who did the work on it,
51:00
I think is what Einstein says. And then they kind of just go
51:04
with that and decide that the chances are so small that that won't happen,
51:07
which then ends up being a really fun scene later with the General because he
51:13
like opens up the General Matt Damn. Yeah, He's like, no,
51:15
there was a moment when we thought, you know, we realized there's a
51:19
near zero chance, like like it's just like near zero. You know,
51:24
you get the funny like zero would be nice scene, but then but then
51:30
you fly. You know, we get this again at the very end when
51:34
he when they flat. You know, they give us the opening scene again
51:39
like the earlier scene again, but this time we get to hear the conversation
51:43
between Einstein and Oppenheimer, and Oppenheimer's reminding Einstein about the conversation from years previously
51:50
about do you remember that when we thought that we could start a changeing reaction
51:53
that would destroy the world, and and Einstein says, yes, I do.
51:58
And Oppenheimer's reply is I believe we did basically, And then we get
52:04
there really cool and not well, I mean cool, but the scene is
52:07
cool but terrible, you know, a view of the ripples on the map,
52:12
and then the nukes coming through the clouds and it's multiple rockets, just
52:17
tons of rockets, and you realize that what they mean is they didn't start
52:24
a chain reaction at the time with the actual bomb going off and destroying the
52:30
world in that moment. They started a chain reaction with multiple countries being able
52:36
to acquire these mass destruction weapons, and the chain reaction is the country's destroying
52:42
the world, not one bomb destroying the world basically, and it's an extremely
52:46
terrifying scene. I hope I did it justice with the explanation, although it
52:52
was a little wordy. I think you hit all the fine points. Sorry,
52:58
I got rolling and I couldn't stop. I would. I would take
53:02
one part further only because this is an idea that I've I've been twaying with
53:08
for a while. You know, the the mistake of it being ah,
53:15
you know that there would be an atomic reaction with the molecules and eventually light
53:20
up the sky, right, and that was correct, That in fact,
53:25
is a chain reaction of a social magnitude that will that that was what couldn't
53:31
be accounted for and would eventually everything. Right, Yeah, I would.
53:37
I would take this a step further in saying that there is a tendency for
53:45
people to think of themselves outside of the physical system of things, right,
53:53
Like we tend to think of like molecules and atoms like being like their own
53:57
thing, and like we are individual observers of them. Right. But I
54:01
think what this movie says without saying it is like we are part of the
54:07
chain reaction, right right, Like like we are the molecules that are reacting
54:15
to those molecules, right, Like it's all one system. There's no separating
54:20
it. It's everything is a big domino ripple effect. Everything is a ripple
54:24
effect. Yeah, well, put Well, you know, I think you
54:30
and I we both talked about how how he felt leaving this movie, and
54:35
it was such an unusual feeling for me. I'm like actually starting to remember
54:40
how it felt now, and the only way I could describe it was like
54:45
a beautiful dread, you know, Like what I witnessed was like really beautiful
54:50
in terms of like the aesthetics that had been captured and the way I felt
54:53
moved. But I felt scared and just like full of like dread. Like
55:01
there was just like, yeah, of course we are heading toward that,
55:07
and there's just nothing that stops it, right, Yeah, I was fully
55:10
I was just terrified and emotional, and I was like, yeah, we
55:15
are literally heading towards a nuclear war with multiple countries setting them off, and
55:21
anything can happen, and this is the scariest shit. Like That's how I
55:22
felt. And I go home in silence. I cooked dinner in silence,
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and about an hour and a half two hours later, I finally turned on
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the TV to be like, Okay, let me like put something else on
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so I don't like, you know, pass out before I go to sleep.
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Like it was like I was really, uh, I love how you
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cooked dinner in silence too. Oh man, I didn't put music on.
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I didn't even put music on. I was just like in my own head
55:45
thinking about how terrifying that was, Like I was cooking dinnerfully by a fiance's
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out of town. It's just me just like in my own thoughts, like
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this was. The movie was so done and the message was so scary and
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true. In some cases, it was just like, oh my goodness,
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you know what? You know? What THEE does it again? You know?
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The last like line and like scene of the movie reminds me of did
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you ever see one hundred and twenty seven Hours with James Franco? I did
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not. I've never seen that. It's pretty it's a pretty good movie.
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But uh, there there's a line. I assume you're familiar with what it
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is, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, So
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for those who don't know James Franco, if you'd seen every other James Franco
56:34
movie and then read a description for that movie, you would think it was
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him doing a comedy, right, right, that's super fair. Yeah,
56:43
getting his arm like caught and then ripped off like well, like it even
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sounds like it could be a comedy exactly. Yeah. Yeah. For those
56:51
who don't know, this is based on a true story of a man who
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uh that James Franco depicts a man who is hiking and believe in Colorado,
56:58
I might be wrong about that that, but hiking and gets his arms stuck
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under a rock for one hundred and twenty seven hours and then eventually cuts off
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his own arm. Spoilers if you didn't know, now you know, right
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anyway, So before the big cut, there's this moment of existentialism that he's
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having and he's thinking about the rock and how before this rock was Like he
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creates this whole narrative for the rock, how before the rock was ever here?
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It was it was millions upon millions of light years away in space,
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and it took billions of years for this rock to come here where it's been
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waiting for me. It's been waiting for me for centuries for millennia, to
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challenge me, to stick me right here and to kill me. And like
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he talks about how like the rock, like you know, had been like
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thrown across the universe at him, you know, and like that's what it
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reminded me of. It was like that that dreadful chain reaction that you like,
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you don't see that there are things already in motion, and then you're
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part of the motion, right. You can't see it, but you are
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right. And I think there's something really wonderful about that idea and really terrifying
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about it. Well said crazy, So yeah, crazy dude. That being
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said, Nick, I really want to ask you what are your top three
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Christopher Hilean films. That's not nice question. I can't pick three, man.
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If this is honestly so tough, it's so tough. I'm just going
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to start naming a couple real quick before I rate them. Prestige, Dunkirk,
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Dark knighte, Interstellar, Inception Tenant. But it's not my top three,
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but it's really good Memento obviously, what am I forgetting? You didn't
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say Batman Begins or Dark Knight Rises. Yeah, I think that Dark Knight's
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my favorite out of the three. That's why I didn't name those yet.
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But what are the other ones? You said? You said, inception right,
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yeah, Insomnia is another one. I think they're twelve in all.
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Did you get them all? Let's see said Tenant, You said Interstellar the
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Prestige, Oh following, I haven't seen that. Yeah, that's his first
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film. I have the DVD. We should watch it sometimes. Nice.
59:51
Yeah, next time I make town, we should be hell Yeat the Dark,
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Knight Rises inception, Insomnia, Dunkirk, which I need to see.
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Yeah, that might be in my top three. And it's it's crazy.
1:00:05
I need to watch it again. I've only seen it once. It's just
1:00:07
the way that he tells the story, like because you were saying earlier about
1:00:10
the linear parts or how he tells it like non linearly, and this story
1:00:14
is like I have to watch again to make sure I'm saying this correctly.
1:00:19
But it's it's like he's like linearly telling it in a non linear way.
1:00:22
That's so confusing. It's such a confusing game. I have not been drinking,
1:00:30
I promise I know. It's more like a It's more like he's like
1:00:35
telling one story and then you see another story, you see something else happen,
1:00:40
and then later, all of a sudden, you're in your in that
1:00:46
part of the story that you saw earlier. Fuck, I can't explain it.
1:00:51
It's really you gotta watch it. Watch Don Kirk. Okay, Top
1:00:52
three. This one was really good. Oppenheimer was really good. I don't
1:00:57
know if I can put it in my top three Nolan films. I think
1:00:59
I have two, but I don't know if I can, because there are
1:01:01
other films I love so much that I've seen so many times, like The
1:01:06
Prestige and Interstellar and Inception in the Dark Knight. I've probably seen five to
1:01:15
ten times each and I love them more every time. I think The Prestige
1:01:21
is my favorite Nolan film, and then Interstellar, and I honestly don't know
1:01:30
how to pick a third because it's like interchangeable between like The Dark Knight,
1:01:34
Inception and probably Dunkirk, just purely from the storytelling perspective on Dunkirk. Yeah,
1:01:44
that's my answer. It's not a full answer, but I literally I
1:01:47
will explode no pun intended if I pick a third. For sure, I
1:01:52
am. I'm sad that I cannot compare and contrast with Dunkirk, especially with
1:01:57
it being like in a possible top three still have to be rectified very soon
1:02:02
for me, of of the things that I've seen, I can't put an
1:02:07
order to it because, like you, they're just some of these things that
1:02:09
I like too much. Memento is obviously in there just because like it was.
1:02:15
Yeah, it's monumental in my upbringing as as like a storyteller. So
1:02:23
yeah, definitely that. I have a hard time choosing between The Dark Knight
1:02:28
and Inception, but I'm probably going to go with Inception and then probably Oppenheimer.
1:02:36
Yeah, just truly what I like this movie was I've seen his other
1:02:40
ones too much. Interstellar's not in your top three, huh. You know,
1:02:45
I've only seen Interstellar once. I can't go back there, and it's
1:02:51
not because to heartbreaking. It's hard. That one so heartbreaking that that scene
1:02:59
is what I find most horrifying about life. That is why I find the
1:03:02
scariest part about life, and it is that scene. Actually does that scene
1:03:07
does keep me from rewatching it sometimes because it's so heartbreaking. I'm like,
1:03:09
do I want to watch Interstellar? Yes, for all the other parts of
1:03:13
the movie, except for that scene. It's like so fucking heartbreaking, So
1:03:16
I get it. But that's the same reason I can't pick Openheimer's because I've
1:03:20
only seen it once so far. Like I've seen Interstellar and Inception in Dark
1:03:23
Knight and Prestige so many times that I know they're my top three to five
1:03:28
favorites. So like, I really have to see Dunkirk again. I really
1:03:30
have to watch Oppenheimer a couple more times maybe to really like get a full
1:03:35
grasp on how it operates. Yeah, the fucking I just love the whole
1:03:40
time. The Interstellar concept with time and dimensions is just so interesting to me
1:03:46
in general that like it's like it really just like I might put that movie
1:03:51
on when we get done with this. I'm not going to finish it tonight
1:03:52
if I do that, But it's it's I love that movie so much that
1:03:57
I bought it on Google Play before streaming was a big deal. I own
1:04:01
that movie, hell yeah, which is hilarious. Like, yeah, I
1:04:06
can just watch it for free, probably right now somewhere whatever. Yeah,
1:04:11
that's probably one reason why why Nolan, Why I vibe so much with Nolan
1:04:15
is like I have a fascination with time travel, and he seems to have
1:04:18
such a very strong fascination with time. Sure, so even if time travel
1:04:24
isn't involved in his movies, he's fucking with time in the way he tells
1:04:29
his stories. Right, yeah, dude, you gotta watch down Kirk,
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please watch. I will, I will. It'll be my movie this week.
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I promise, I promise. Thank you. Okay, final thing.
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Give me a rating out of ten? Uh no, five? Five?
1:04:47
We do five movies. Five. I will never remember this. We do
1:04:51
movies out of five? Okay, great, I didn't put a post a
1:04:54
note on my desk. Movies out of five? Oh man, this is
1:04:58
a good question. Uh. I really like this movie. Yoh uh.
1:05:02
And this is our first official rating of a Nolan film on our podcast,
1:05:06
which is also very exciting. And this is gonna make me want to just
1:05:11
like revisit the Nolan films and do episodes on them even like, just because
1:05:15
we love Nolan so much, we should totally do that. We could do
1:05:16
that, We could go on to Nolan Binge, we should do it like
1:05:20
during downtimes right like, which we kind of have one right now because I
1:05:24
don't know what else is coming out. And side note, we're not gonna
1:05:27
talk about this because it's I don't know if you finished Secret Invasion yet,
1:05:30
but we do technically need to do a episode on follow up the ending of
1:05:34
Secret Invasion, we sure do, which is gonna be oh my god,
1:05:43
horror horrendous. You know, I'm so pissed that I gave the flash all
1:05:47
this ship and then Secret Invasion finishes off with that, and I'm gonna have
1:05:50
to like, h Anyway, We're not doing this. This is not what
1:05:54
this episode is. We're not gonna talk ship about the ending of Secret Invasion,
1:05:58
but that's a thing we do have to do. And then once we
1:06:00
do that episode, Loki's coming out. But in between we can do a
1:06:02
couple of known films. That'd be cool. I would love to do that,
1:06:05
yeah, because I would love to visit some Nolan stuff anyway. Yeah,
1:06:10
Okay, so I already given starting rating, uh, four point six
1:06:15
five five nice, four point six five. I went a bit higher,
1:06:21
I went, I'm going four to eight a good score. Yeah. I
1:06:27
think this is the closest that you and I have come to five. I
1:06:30
want to say, Yeah, I believe we are damn close on this.
1:06:33
Yeah, and I know we will be hearing talk of this movie again come
1:06:39
next year, come February or March, whenever the oscars are more than likely,
1:06:45
we will be hearing all about Barbenheimer again, because I'm sure Greti Gerwig
1:06:49
is going to be nominated for Best Director and I'm sure Christopher Nolan will be
1:06:53
nominated for Best director too, so that we will watch those movies. Du
1:06:57
get out Barbie. Yeah, and I know I've heard it's been it was
1:07:00
hilarious, but like, I can't imagine that from a fucking movie. Respective
1:07:05
it's better, you know, Like, but what kind of movie you want
1:07:10
to watch? Yes, right, you want to watch a comedy, then
1:07:12
it's the best movie ever. So I don't know, I'll say I'll say
1:07:15
this, in comparing the two, I'm glad I got to see both on
1:07:17
the same day. I thought that was a really fun experience. I mean,
1:07:23
the story obviously for Oppenheimer is more aggressive and probably more impressive for a
1:07:29
storytelling perspective. But if like, if you're comparing filmmakers and vision, Barbie's
1:07:35
very good. There there's Greta Gerwig is. I'm so excited to see where
1:07:42
her career takes her. She's already the most you know, selling director of
1:07:47
most selling woman director of all time, right, very so cool, and
1:07:55
her vision for that movie is really fun and just so another director that does
1:08:00
not rely on special effects. You know, really, yes, honestly,
1:08:04
just from a spectacle standpoint, it's worth watching. It's it's really cool.
1:08:11
I'm definitely gonna see it. I'm just waiting for seeenough for because she wants
1:08:14
to really watch that in theaters as well, so I'm gonna get to watch
1:08:15
Oppenheim with her. And then also we're we have to go see Barbie together.
1:08:19
So hey, you guys should do a delayed Barbenheimer. We should.
1:08:24
That would be cool. Maybe we will, We'll have to find some time.
1:08:28
It's uh yeah, anyway, anyway, all right, y'all, that
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will do it. I believe next time, as we just established, we're
1:08:34
gonna we're gonna cover secret invasion to bring that to a close. But for
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now, we'll leave you with that, and as always, may the review
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be with you