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Ep. 947: Back 40 - When EHD Strikes: How to Adjust Your Hunting Game Plan · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: At this point, I would give up on the keeping
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  Speaker 1: my pharma sanctuary. If you're only hunting one or two
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  Speaker 1: bucks that you know are there and he might be dead,
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  Speaker 1: it's worth the intrusion on the property to go in
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  Speaker 1: search those areas out and see if he is dead.
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  Speaker 2: There's not a lot that you can do, to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Back forty.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Jake Hoefer, and we are diving into a topic
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  Speaker 4: here that hopefully isn't top of mind for you right now.
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  Speaker 4: But unfortunately, when we sketched out these questions, I had
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  Speaker 4: a bad feeling that somewhere across the Midwest there would
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  Speaker 4: be an EHD outbreak. And so if you're listening to
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  Speaker 4: this from southern Ohio, this is hopefully some insight that's
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  Speaker 4: going to help you develop a plan for this fault,
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  Speaker 4: because unfortunately, EHD is a very real thing for a
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  Speaker 4: lot of places throughout the country, and most of the
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  Speaker 4: guests here today has had some experience with it, some
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  Speaker 4: a lot more than others, and a lot less for
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  Speaker 4: the for the fortunate guests here.
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  Speaker 3: But before we get into I.
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  Speaker 4: properties here in the United States. Before we get into
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  Speaker 4: the episode two, I want to give a real quick
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  Speaker 4: cliff notes version of what EHD is in case you're
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  Speaker 4: not familiar or maybe you're confused with what EHD is
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  Speaker 4: versus CWD. I am not a biologist, so I'm just
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  Speaker 4: going to give you an armchair quick rundown of EHD. Essentially,
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  Speaker 4: it is a midge that lives in the cracks of
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  Speaker 4: mud where there's a lot of changes in moisture or
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  Speaker 4: if it's very dry mud bottom creeks are typically bad
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  Speaker 4: ponds or an area where it could facilitate a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the midge flies. And it's a viral infection that
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  Speaker 4: when a deer gets bit by it, it essentially causes
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  Speaker 4: a fever and the mortality rate can be very high.
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  Speaker 4: Now in the South, this seems like there has been
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  Speaker 4: more resistance of EHD built up, and so there's different
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  Speaker 4: strains that can impact deer more severely.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the really quick version of it.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to learn more about it, I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: there's more episodes about EHD and more depth or you
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  Speaker 4: can google it, but I just wanted to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that there's a clear distinct between CWD and EHD, because
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  Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people they get them confused.
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  Speaker 4: So EHD is a mid fly that bites of deers,
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  Speaker 4: knows inside their nostril and causes a viral infection and
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  Speaker 4: ultimately can can kill them all.
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  Speaker 3: So you've heard of rumors of EHD. What do you
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  Speaker 3: do now? Is there anything that you can do? Is
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  Speaker 3: there any silver linings?
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  Speaker 4: And to kick things off, we're gonna start with Steve Hanson,
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  Speaker 4: who's in southern Iowa and unfortunately has experienced EHD over
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  Speaker 4: the years, and here is his prescription to move forward
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  Speaker 4: if you're experiencing this. Man, I've been looking forward to
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  Speaker 4: season all year, and now it's been dry and I'm
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  Speaker 4: hearing murmurs of EHD. I go out, My deer disappeared
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  Speaker 4: and I want to say, my dear, but the bucks
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  Speaker 4: that were in the area have disappeared. My area go
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  Speaker 4: hammered by EHD.
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  Speaker 1: Now what, well, you might almost in that scenario, you
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  Speaker 1: might you know, you may have to start from scratch,
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  Speaker 1: and I'd probably move the cameras on the property that
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  Speaker 1: was hit for EHD because there's no guarantee.
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  Speaker 5: That they are dead. So what I would do is, at.
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  Speaker 1: This point, I would give up on the keeping my
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  Speaker 1: pharm a sanctuary, and I would spend a good amount
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  Speaker 1: of time walking creeks, pond banks and truly try to
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  Speaker 1: find the If you're only hunting one or two bucks
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  Speaker 1: that you know are there and he might be dead,
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  Speaker 1: it's worth the intrusion on the property to go in
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  Speaker 1: search those areas out and see if he is dead.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you need to contact a neighbor. And this
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  Speaker 1: is where you know, having a good relationship with neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: say hey, man, I'm not wanting to hunt or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I smelled some dead deer in the creek. I can't
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  Speaker 1: find him. Is it all right if I walk around
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  Speaker 1: your pond?
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  Speaker 3: Is it you know?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to decide if these deer are still
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  Speaker 1: alive and get an idea of overall hurt health. Did
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  Speaker 1: we lose twenty deer, did we lose two deer? Is
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  Speaker 1: it a total wipeout?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 1: So I would invest some time and energy doing that,
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  Speaker 1: but I also would be starting look at what my
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  Speaker 1: other options are for other places to hunt, because EHD
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  Speaker 1: is very localized, like we've had terrible wipeouts on one
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  Speaker 1: farm and five miles away nothing. So you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you have other properties, at that point, I'd probably start looking, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: what other options do I have? And then I always
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  Speaker 1: whenever the HD topic comes up, I have to bring
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  Speaker 1: this up because I've seen this happen so many times
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  Speaker 1: and it's very detrimental to you know, the herd health.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people unfortunately, reset their expectations.
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  Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, Oh, we had this one,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one sixty that was six year old, but
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  Speaker 1: he died of EHD. We had this other one seventy
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  Speaker 1: that was probably five, but he's a shooter. But now
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  Speaker 1: we're hunting these three and four year old one forties
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  Speaker 1: because it's all we got left. Don't do that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's that means your hunting's.
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  Speaker 5: Going to suck virtually forever.
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  Speaker 3: You're you're going to ruin it. You're in a new TB.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and exactly, you are going to perpetuate the cycle
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  Speaker 1: of poor age structure. If you do that, Concentrate on
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  Speaker 1: some cull bucks, do whatever you have to do on
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  Speaker 1: other place, but try to leave you know, the hurt
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  Speaker 1: is in its most vulnerable then, and it needs the
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  Speaker 1: most help.
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  Speaker 3: Next up we have Bill Winky.
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  Speaker 4: Bill has unfortunately a lot of experience as well with EHD.
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  Speaker 4: He has said in the past that his farm was
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  Speaker 4: likely one of the best in the entire country. I
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  Speaker 4: think it was twenty twelve until EHD came through and
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  Speaker 4: really devastated the farm. He's got firsthand experience on what
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  Speaker 4: this means if you are finding yourself in the same
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  Speaker 4: exact situation. Here's Bill winking, I've been hearing rumors, I'm
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  Speaker 4: smelling something kind of weird.
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  Speaker 3: My whole area, my whole farm just got hammered by EHD.
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  Speaker 3: What do I do now?
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  Speaker 4: Whom?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the now, I've certainly had that happen where I've lost,
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  Speaker 6: you know, a lot of my bucks in one year.
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  Speaker 6: Probably has happened more than once. In my experience down
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  Speaker 6: there on that southern Iowa farm, it seemed like about
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  Speaker 6: every seven years we get it, you know, fairly significantly,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and some years it'll be twenty percent, some
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  Speaker 6: years it'd be you know, ten percent, some years it'd
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  Speaker 6: be seventy percent. You just get you're just gonna get
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  Speaker 6: it every every so often. So I've been through this cycle.
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  Speaker 6: I think all you can do. I wouldn't go out
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  Speaker 6: looking for them. If you're setting your cameras or you're
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  Speaker 6: working the last bit of your food plot, you know,
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  Speaker 6: preparation on the property, or mow and ditch or mow
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  Speaker 6: and access routes or something like that, you're gonna you're
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  Speaker 6: gonna smell some dead deer. It's worth probably then just
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  Speaker 6: checking them out quick, you know, because you can tell
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  Speaker 6: which way the wind is blow it and you're gonna
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  Speaker 6: find them pretty fast. But I wouldn't scout the whole farm.
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  Speaker 6: You see, if I can find that buck that I
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  Speaker 6: was not laying dead, I'd let the cameras tell me that,
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  Speaker 6: because you just run the risk of bumping too many deer.
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  Speaker 6: You know, if you do a wholesale scouting missions to
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  Speaker 6: see what's dead, uh, you don't have a whole lot
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  Speaker 6: of options. And again we talked about it earlier in
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  Speaker 6: this series about you know, do the Great hunters killed
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  Speaker 6: deer every year? The great hunters have you plan B, C, D,
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  Speaker 6: et cetera. So if you've got you know, a plan C,
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  Speaker 6: now might be the time to pull it out. Let's
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  Speaker 6: say maybe a hunt two or three states, and the
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  Speaker 6: properties that you've got in some of these other areas
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  Speaker 6: they weren't affected by the EHD. It might it might be,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you run your cameras in the area where
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  Speaker 6: you know that you lost some deer just to find
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  Speaker 6: out what's left. But you might want to shift all
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  Speaker 6: your thoughts and all your efforts to some of those
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  Speaker 6: other areas because it really is well, it's simple now.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you're not going to kill him if he's
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  Speaker 6: not there. So no, you don't want to be hunting
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  Speaker 6: a deer that's already dead.
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  Speaker 7: If real quick on when your farm would get hit
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  Speaker 7: every seven years roughly, there's some people that say, you know,
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  Speaker 7: the survivors, you know, based off of all the social
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  Speaker 7: pressure of other deer dying that you know, the year
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  Speaker 7: after for a buck that did survive, maybe a four
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  Speaker 7: year old buck. Uh, did you see that farm bounce
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  Speaker 7: back or specific bucks that survive really explode?
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  Speaker 3: Is there any silver.
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  Speaker 7: Lining to when your farm got hit by the EHD
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  Speaker 7: that you could glean?
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  Speaker 5: Now, there's not a there's not a.
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  Speaker 6: Silver lining the EHD if you were managing the property. Well,
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  Speaker 6: the only silver lining might be if everything got out
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  Speaker 6: of control, and you know your your browse was max
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  Speaker 6: style you had. You know, deer were eating you out
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  Speaker 6: of house and home, brows lines everywhere, no, you know,
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  Speaker 6: high quality forage left in the woods. You know, it's
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  Speaker 6: not a bad thing for you know, to hit the
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  Speaker 6: reset button. But if you were doing a pretty good
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  Speaker 6: job of managing that property, all you're doing is getting
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  Speaker 6: set back. There's no positive becomes out of it. We
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  Speaker 6: were That farm that I own in twenty eleven was awesome.
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  Speaker 6: I can't even imagine better, honey. I've never heard people
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  Speaker 6: talk about better honey, other than maybe inside of a
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  Speaker 6: high fence, you know. But there was so many big
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  Speaker 6: deer there. And then during September August September in twenty twelve,
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  Speaker 6: we lost the most of our bucks. Well there you go.
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  Speaker 6: I mean the place was teed up and it was
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  Speaker 6: awesome and then it was bad. Never you know, there's
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  Speaker 6: there's no silver lining there. That was just that was
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  Speaker 6: just you know what what just happened here? And you
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  Speaker 6: know they'll figure out someday how to manage that. But
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  Speaker 6: that's I remember doctor James Kroll one time, you know, seminar,
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  Speaker 6: he said, everybody worries about CWD and rightfully so you said,
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  Speaker 6: but EHD wipes out way many times more deer throughout
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  Speaker 6: the Midwest than CWD does. It's just that we don't
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  Speaker 6: quite understand CWD that well, so we panic a little
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  Speaker 6: bit more over it and don't really know the you know,
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  Speaker 6: the dynamics of it or as EHD. We understand it,
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  Speaker 6: but it doesn't change the fact that you go from
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  Speaker 6: from ten to one as far as on a scale
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  Speaker 6: of awesome in one year.
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  Speaker 3: That's tough. Next up, we have Jeff Sturgis. Jeff is
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  Speaker 3: from Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: His hunted in Wisconsin and Minnesota primarily, and typically they
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  Speaker 4: don't have as much EHD or as many issues with
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  Speaker 4: this issue. But if he did face this, this is
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  Speaker 4: exactly what he would do. And I think you're going
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  Speaker 4: to pick up on a trend throughout this episode of
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  Speaker 4: what you can do, what you can't do, and maybe
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  Speaker 4: cut your losses. So here's Jeff Sturgis after he just
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  Speaker 4: learned a bunch of deer gone missing due to VHD.
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  Speaker 8: We've been just where I'm at in southeast Minnesota where
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  Speaker 8: just out of the historically we're just out of the
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  Speaker 8: EHD range. It happened like three miles south of US.
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  Speaker 8: So really, even in where I hunted in Wisconsin, it
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  Speaker 8: was a mile self US. Wisconsin was a mile away
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  Speaker 8: knocking on the door. I've been on properties where I've
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  Speaker 8: seen seven dead bucks in velvet on a pond like
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  Speaker 8: a skating pond here.
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  Speaker 5: In February at walking. They're under the ice. That looks creepy.
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  Speaker 8: Heard stories of you know, we've all heard stories dozens
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  Speaker 8: of deer dead in the swamp out back.
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  Speaker 5: Someone put in air conditioning.
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  Speaker 8: I know one of my clients because they couldn't leave
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  Speaker 8: their windows open because it kept blowing in during a
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  Speaker 8: warm September. All these deer dead out of the swamp.
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  Speaker 8: But anyways, it is a real problem. One of the
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  Speaker 8: things that just before we start, I love water holes.
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  Speaker 8: The reason, one of the reasons I love tank water
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  Speaker 8: holes is because there's no mud surrounding a natural water hole.
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  Speaker 5: Then where the EHD propagates and lives.
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  Speaker 8: They live in that dry, cracking MUDs when you get
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  Speaker 8: drought and that water keeps your seating in a water
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  Speaker 8: hole that you've planned for deer and wildlife. All that
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  Speaker 8: cracking mud around there, that's where that EHD image lives,
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  Speaker 8: and that's where they propagate. So to me, we had
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  Speaker 8: two water holes in the property that were nice, pretty
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  Speaker 8: earth berms, not to mention they were in terrible locations.
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  Speaker 8: Dount we knock those berms out, got rid of them,
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  Speaker 8: and so we drained the water out, got rid of them.
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  Speaker 8: They're just little room sized water holes because to me,
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  Speaker 8: they're I don't like to use COVID terms, but they're
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  Speaker 8: HD super spreaders.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they invite every deer in the.
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  Speaker 8: Neighborhood into those water holes only be exposed to HD.
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  Speaker 8: So I don't want those on my property, and so
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  Speaker 8: that's why we use tanks. I'm not trying to sell
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  Speaker 8: any tanks. We've tried. It's too hard. We didn't even
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  Speaker 8: come out with a product just because rubber Maid does
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  Speaker 8: it kind of cheap and they're two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 8: five bucks for three hundred gallon tank and they're twenty
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  Speaker 8: five inches deep, sixty three by sixty nine inches, perfect size,
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  Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty galanon rubber Maid is a nice
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  Speaker 8: one two one hundred and ten galon.
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  Speaker 5: Off brand one from TSC is awesome. One to two
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  Speaker 5: hundred hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 8: For those, but I love those perfect depth to size ratio,
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  Speaker 8: not a lot of evaporation.
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  Speaker 5: So that's one way.
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  Speaker 8: The second way to me, there's five percent of the
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  Speaker 8: neighborhood that attracts mature bucks during the daylight, only five percent,
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  Speaker 8: because that's that perfect combination of great fall food.
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  Speaker 5: It could be your finding this.
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  Speaker 8: On public land and public land only thing is food
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  Speaker 8: sources are always changing, so that those bucks aren't going
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  Speaker 8: to be there from October to January where they might
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  Speaker 8: be on your private land if you make the right
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  Speaker 8: conditions and you keep food sources and good cover. Could
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  Speaker 8: be marginal, food sources marginal, but if they're not under
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  Speaker 8: pressured and they're consistent all year, then that's where the
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  Speaker 8: mature bucks are going to be. How many times have
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  Speaker 8: you seen mature bucks in a state park that's thirty
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  Speaker 8: acres or neighborhood set aside that's ten acres.
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  Speaker 5: They're not there because of food plots, feeding.
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  Speaker 8: Anything, anybody's made any water holes, crated betting areas, they
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  Speaker 8: haven't done anything to the land there, just because it's
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  Speaker 8: marginal food, marginal cover, and it's unpressured.
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  Speaker 5: It's one area that they can find.
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  Speaker 8: So you look at that five percent, So I want
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  Speaker 8: to be that property that whatever bucks are left in
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  Speaker 8: the neighborhood. And I'm not sounds selfish, but you're just
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  Speaker 8: trying to do a good job. In anything you do,
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  Speaker 8: you try to do your best. So I want to
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  Speaker 8: have that five percent property. I want to have the
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  Speaker 8: property that diminishes the number of dozen fauns during the summertime.
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  Speaker 8: I don't like a lot of summer food. I want
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  Speaker 8: those dozen fauns to migrate onto the property during hunting
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  Speaker 8: season October November because I have quality food. But I
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  Speaker 8: don't want them there waiting like an army for my
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  Speaker 8: fall food to arrive in August in September when I
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  Speaker 8: plant those food plots. So I want to minimize the
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  Speaker 8: number of fawns and doze on the property by even
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  Speaker 8: We have a product that we plant, It's called rut
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  Speaker 8: zone from our food pot Seat company. It has beans
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  Speaker 8: in it, but we plant that July first or later
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  Speaker 8: early July pre probably because I want those dozen fawns
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  Speaker 8: to fawn somewhere else traditional fawning grounds. I want them
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  Speaker 8: off the p property preferred, and.
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  Speaker 5: Then they'll come on later.
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  Speaker 8: But I don't want them there during July and August pounding.
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  Speaker 8: Some of our fall foods, and that's one of them.
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  Speaker 8: I want to plant beans later July first short short
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  Speaker 8: day bean so that I can get.
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  Speaker 5: That to grow.
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  Speaker 8: So you minimize the number of dozen fonts, you maximize
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  Speaker 8: the number of mature bucks in your property, which is
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  Speaker 8: only five percent of the neighborhood during the daylight. And
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  Speaker 8: that way you're I'm not saying your EHD proof in
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  Speaker 8: your property, but what you're doing is giving yourself a
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  Speaker 8: competitive advantage to actually be the property in the area
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  Speaker 8: that's the influencer.
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  Speaker 5: And if you're in.
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  Speaker 8: A dry region and you don't have water holes that
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  Speaker 8: are full of mud and receding cracked mud and drying mud,
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  Speaker 8: then to me, that's one more way you protect those
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  Speaker 8: mature box on your property. If they spend the majority
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  Speaker 8: of their time on your property. Do you know at night,
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  Speaker 8: most dear drink by eating green vegetation. So if they're
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  Speaker 8: eating green vegetation all night because they're out in the
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  Speaker 8: open aggfields, they don't need to take a drink of wie.
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  Speaker 5: They come back on your land during the daylight. You
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  Speaker 5: don't have mud.
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  Speaker 8: Holes surrounded by a dry and crack and receding mud
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  Speaker 8: that propagate the EHD midge in a lot of those ways,
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  Speaker 8: just by housing those mature box during the daylight the most,
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  Speaker 8: by being a five percent property, by reducing the number
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  Speaker 8: or eliminating if you can waterhole or mudhole areas on
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  Speaker 8: your property, then to me, you can have a fighting
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  Speaker 8: chance against EHD.
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  Speaker 5: And again, I feel sorry for it if you guys,
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  Speaker 5: if that.
• 16:28
  Speaker 8: Happens, because I know I've been with clients almost in tears,
• 16:33
  Speaker 8: you know, where they've built deer herds for three or
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: four years and then just to have wiped out.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: And I haven't gone through.
• 16:38
  Speaker 8: It personally, but I've personally experienced it with clients and
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: friends and it sucks, it really does. So those are
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: the few things that you can do to try to
• 16:48
  Speaker 8: me mitigate by EHD.
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: What would you do if if you're Minnesota farm, you know,
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: if there's a lot of eggs in that basket and
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: I do not even want to say this, but it's
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: the question of what would happen and if hypothetically snap
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: your fingers, then you're like, oh my gosh, somehow we
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: did get hammered and I lost eighty percent of you know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: the age structure on this farm. What would you do
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: for the season other than cry, maybe.
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: I try to identify that one mature black left that
• 17:17
  Speaker 8: I could hunt, and if that wasn't the case, you know,
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: then I would be happy to monitor the herd enjoy
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: taking care of the land. We have lots of pheasant
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: on our property. And I'm not saying that the pheasants,
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: the grouse and the rabbits and the birds, butterflies, bees
• 17:40
  Speaker 8: that we house on the property, our turkey nesting polt,
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: all our turkeys. I'm not saying that that would, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: take that sting away from losing that white tail herd.
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: But it be a focus of mine that I would
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: turn my attention to because we do that year round anyways.
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: You know, we spend so many hours on the property
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: because we are looking at turkey nesting areas, improving turkey population.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: We have lots of groups on the property, lots of pheasant.
• 18:06
  Speaker 8: It just miles of peasant habitat edge and turkey nesting,
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: and so I would focus on that, and then I'd
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: look at trying to go north a little bit or
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: find areas core areas on public land where I could hunt,
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: and we hunt public land every year. Will be out
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: to Pennsylvania again, out in the hills out in the
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: Federal forest there that I've been going to since ninety three.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: I go back to.
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: Michigan often, I think the last time was three years
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: ago to hunt public land, and so public.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Land has always been in my roots.
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: And I'd go find a non EHD exposed public land
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: to hunt somewhere because I gotta scratch that white till
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: itch and then at home I take care of the
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: critters and enjoy it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah it sucked.
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no one wants to think it would be horrible,
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: but you know, you know, you just try to turn
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: your focus on other things. And what I've tried to
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: do in life at the age of fifty five is
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: I hate this expression.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: It is what it is.
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: But if you live a little bit by that looking
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: at like, you can't you can't control, you can't worry
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: about the things you can't change in life. If you
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: worry about things and you let them get you down,
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: including hunting, you can really drag you down into precious
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: So I'd prefer to focus on Yep, that happened. It
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: was bad, and this goes to life too. We can't
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: do anything about it. We'll make better decisions next time,
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: or we'll just you know, we'll deal with it and
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: you move on and stay positive.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Next, we have Don Higgins, and his advice here is
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: very straightforward. And if you are in this scenario, or
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: maybe if you artists feeling not very confident going into
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: this season, I think Don's advice right here is going
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: to be a gentle nudge of him urgement. So here
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: we go. This is what Down's gonna do. If of
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: the deer just got wiped out to EHD, the midgefly
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: came in and caused havoc on his farm.
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: Well, I'd let my trail cameras tell me the story.
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: Is your target buck really dead? Is there another target
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: buck that you'd want to go after that you're still
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: getting pictures of? If not, go somewhere else, I mean,
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: there's no sense in right and off your season. I mean,
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: the United States is a big country. I've never heard
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: of EHD wiping out the entire country. Go somewhere where
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: there's still deer. You may not get the hunted as often,
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: you may have to wait till weekends or your vacation
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: instead of hunting every evening, but still don't give up.
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: It goes back to the saying that I've I've repeated
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: many times, find a solution, don't make excuses, find solutions,
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: and there's always a solution.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: Do you think some guys, I mean, unfortunately areas get
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: hit by EHD and a common thing is houser season
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: hot even hunt got we got hit by eu H
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: And do you think it's just maybe they didn't really
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: want to hunt that bad.
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: Well, I think it comes down to priorities and they
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: probably got something else they like to do at that
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: time of the year. I mean, I can't imagine they're
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: sitting home staring at the ceiling and they're probably into
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: football or something like that, and that takes their time.
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: For guys like me, there is no alternative. It's been
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: chasing big deer three hundred and sixty five days a year,
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: and it doesn't matter what month it is, I'm doing
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: something related to chasing big deer. And I totally get
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: it that not everybody is that serious about it. But
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: if your goal is to kill giants, it better be
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: pretty high on your priority list or it's not going
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: to happen at least consistently.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Next up, we have Bobby Kendall. Bobby has a lot
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: of intel across the Midwest, and when you have a
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: lot of different places that you're in tune with, more
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: than likely one area may get snipped by EHD. Here
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: is his approach, And these are always usually based off
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: of rumors, and sometimes there's room of catastrophic devastation to
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: the white tailed deer herd, and sometimes maybe it's going
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: out of proportion. So here's Bobby Kendall on what his
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: perspective is when it comes to facing EHD.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: Head on my area that I this has been hammered
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: by EHD.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: My season's over.
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna get eight more fantasy football teams because my
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: season's over.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Is that is that the right approach? And where do
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I start?
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: This is this is your mindset.
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: So like if EHD hits your farm and it's the
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: only place that you're hunting, yeah you're I mean ninety
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: percent chance that you're kind of screwed, you know, probably,
• 22:39
  Speaker 10: But this is where you know, a lot of these
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: conversations today have come back to good hunters. Great hunters.
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: You know, you have to get good at finding deer,
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: So you got to go out and find more places.
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: You can't just sit around and hope. And you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: now I'll kind of talk about this from a different angle,
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: you know, deer strategy, and my opinion, it starts. A
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: lot of guys we deal with they haven't even bought
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: a farm yet. So those guys are it's really good
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: because you can have this conversation on the front end.
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: Deer strategy is not just this stuff, the food plot
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: and everything. It's your spread of farm. So a lot
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: of these guys are buying multiple farms, or they want
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: a four hundred acre farm or an eight hundred acre farm.
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: And part of your dear strategy is not pigeonholing yourself
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: into one, into a situation where you get wiped out
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: by EHD. So instead of buying a four hundred, maybe
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: buy two two hundreds. Maybe buy four to one hundreds
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: instead of buying one hundred, Maybe by two fifties. Instead
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: of leasing a two hundred, maybe you lease a fifty
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: to a one to fifty. The more pieces you can
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: have always, the better you're going to be off. You
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: have to have a great, big piece before it's like okay,
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: you know this makes sense. You are so much better
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: doing your part on fifty acres and sampling a thousand
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: or twelve hundred or eighteen hundred acres than you are
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: having eighteen hundred and sampling twenty four hundred. You know
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: what I mean. You can take that same thousand acres
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: in ten pieces and sample ten thousand acres. So getting
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: ahead of that problem. You know, that's all part of
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: your dear strategy game. And you know, so don't don't
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: get in a position where you're screwed because your farm
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: got wiped out by EHD.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I guess what I'm saying.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: So go go knock on some doors.
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: Go knock on some doors if you're in that situation,
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: and start trying to change course so it doesn't happen again.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it does suck. There, you guys have it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: Next, we have Thomas mills Now he's in Wisconsin, and
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: I think his approach here is going to be very
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: interesting on what to do if you're handcuffed to the
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: farm and is it worth paying attention?
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Is it worth picking up a different hobby this fall.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Here's what Thomas Millson has to say. All right, I've
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: been hearing rumors it's been really dry. I think I
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: smelled the dead deer. Sure enough, my whole farm was
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: hammered by EHD, What do I do now?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Well, this year, you certainly don't have to worry about
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: it being dry if you're in the Midwest. But ESG
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: is a weird thing because it can be so isolated
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: in those pockets, and it happens a lot. Right Just
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: this last year, just south of here, a friend of
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: mine all their target books dead up by us. No
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: problem at all. There's not a lot that you can do,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to be honest. The first thing I'm gonna do is
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: a thorough examination of my farm, my property itself, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: figure out again is there anything that we can do
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: to get ahead of this problem in the future.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: And then the next thing.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do is I'm gonna hunt. I'm gonna hunt
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: like normal. I'm gonna observe my property, I'm gonna observe
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the habitat deer movement. I'm gonna act as if there's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: a mature buck on the property as much as possible.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: But I also might pick up an out of state hunt,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: or maybe do something out west, or maybe do some
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: low impact dope control, depending on you know, the quality.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: If I heard in general, obviously, if EHD just hit
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: you really hard and killed a lot dear, you probably
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: don't want to go and kill a bunch of does,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: but if it just took out a few of your
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: older age class bucks, which tends to happen, right, We've
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: got a lot more sensitive vascular tissue on a buck
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: like that for those flies to bite, so that happens
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: quite a bit.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: But I'm going to just try to feel it out.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: And remember, every year's a building year on a property,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: every year's building year.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: So again, this.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Year somewhat of a bus Still a lot of things
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: that we can do to enjoy our time out there.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll spend more time taking my kids hunting. Maybe
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I'll try and get them on the DOS or some management, dear,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: whatever it might be. But I'm also looking at that
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: property and going, okay, what is the cause of something
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: like this? You know, I think one of the big
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: things we like to blame ponds, water holes and stuff
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: like that, which is partially true, yes, but from a
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: holistic standpoint, we also need to look at what are
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the natural predators of this midge that spreads the and
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: we don't provide very good habitat for those animals either. Birds, spiders,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: dragonflies are probably the biggest predators of insects like that,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: midges and also mosquitoes alike. Dragonflies need similar water. They
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: need open water. The stuff that we look at and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: go that's stagnant water, that's a mosquito haven. Mosquitoes can
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: breed in you a thimble of water. Dragonflies need a
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: lot more water. And when you have a healthy habitat
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: for water water, predators like that, like the dragonflies, they'll
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: feed on the midge in the larval state, they'll feed
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: on mosquitos in the larval state in that water, and
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: then they'll also catch them out of the air. So
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: it's kind of kind of twofold there, right, But it
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: goes back to the habitat. If we have a lot
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: better native habitat that supports a lot of healthier insect
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: populations than we have the predatory insects in that ecosystem
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: that also feed on that midge, and that reduces all
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that stuff. So a lot of these problems that we
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: face as deer hunters, we have created ourselves not just
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: as hunters but as humans and habitat loss and destruction
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and pesticides and all these things that are killing all
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the things out there, and then just a select handful
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: of these pests can survive these situations. And it also
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: goes back to healthier deer. You know, healthy food plots,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: getting a lot of mineral content into the forage so
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: it's actually nutrient dense and not just this, you know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: a lush, green, empty calorie meal for them. We get
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: as much vitamins in there as possible. I run goats
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: in the woods, right, the best way to combat biting
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: insects on goats is to make sure that they have
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: access to minerals. Trace minerals all the time. When the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: mineral content is up in their body, their blood changes.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: It makes them a lot healthier. The same as true
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: for deer, and deer don't hit mineral licks all the time.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: So having mineral licks out I think is also a
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: good idea where it's legal. But if it's not legal,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: there then having really really high quality food plots and
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: really high quality native vegetation. So here we go all
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the way back around. Native vegetation really good for the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: insects that are going to kill the midges.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Native vegetation, deep root.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Systems, a lot of minerals, a lot of good protein,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: creates a lot healthier animals and also doesn't concentrate them
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: so much in certain areas. That's going to be that
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: full circle, holistic approach to improving your property to combat EHD.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: And we're also going to address those water sources too
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and try to mitigate the muddy water sources like that too,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: So it all goes hand in hand.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Without further ado, we are going to close this out
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: with Mark Kenyon on his perspective on this specific topic.
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: Here we go, right, I've been hearing rumors, mumbles. I
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: think my whole area is got wiped out by EHD.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: It's September. My season is completely different than what I thought. Potentially,
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: what do I do well? Good news badness on the situation.
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: The bad news is that I probably have the worst
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: answer anyone today in today's episode because I've never personally
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: had to experience this. But that's also the good news.
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: I've never had a personal experience. Yes, so I've worried
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: about it, and in last year actually was maybe the
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: time in the last like fifteen years where I thought
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: this might have happened the most likely, And so I
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: have these questions and I was like, ooh, is this
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: what's going on? Is this why they all disappeared. Is
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: this what's happening? So I lived this a little bit
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: last year, but I've never had it actually confirmed and
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: really truly blow things up for me. So I think
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: that what I did last year is that I searched
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: and hoped him, prayed and kept hoping him, praying that
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: they were around somewhere that just de your behavior change
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: or pressure had changed, and something had pushed these bucks
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: out of their usual patterns. I definitely paid a lot
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: of extra attention to water when I was out hunting
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: during the season or doing some final prep work there
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: in the late August early September, because that's typically where
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: you're to find deer from EHD. They go to water,
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: So I was always watching for that. I was asking neighbors.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: I was like, hey, are you finding dead deer? Have
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: you seen any sign of this? Are you're smelling anything funky?
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: Like I'm wondering if this is what's going on, So
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: just just allow the detective work to try to confirm.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: That didn't end up turning anything out, And so I
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: think if there were rumors, that's what I would be
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: doing to try to confirm. If I was in a
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: situation where it is confirmed and I start finding dead
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: deer or I start hearing about it happening, and it
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: seems like the deer that I'm after that year, or
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: whatever mature bucks were around, or toast. I think, then
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: you've got two options. One of these options is hopefully
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: you are prepared for both these six I think the
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: key thing is this. I mentioned this on a different episode.
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: One of the most important things to consistent deer hunting
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: success is having a diversified portfolio. If you were dependent
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: on any one deer, or any one property or any
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: one area.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: You are putting your your house.
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: Of cards is a serious risk because it could all
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: come tumbling down if you have one bad case of HD,
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: or if you have one neighbor who shoots the one
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: buck here after whatever. There's so many things can happen
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: if you are dependent on this one thing. So I
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: try to make sure that I have multiple areas that
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: can hunt, multiple properties that can hunt, multiple deer I
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: can hunt and or well, I guess, and public opportunities
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: as well. So having many private accesses is great. If
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: you have those opportunities, or if you own a farm
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: or multiple farms, whatever it is, whatever your circumstances are,
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: Supplementing that with public land is a great way to
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: have more options, so that if EHD does blow up
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: your core place, it's not like AH says, is over,
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: I'm doomed. It's okay. Pivot, what's Plan B, what's Plan C?
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: What's planned? And if you don't have a BC or D,
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: then it's you know, hitting the hitting the doors, you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: hitting the road, knocking on doors, trying to get last
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: in the permission, talking to friends, talking to your network.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: You know, it's amazing if you start asking about hunting opportunities,
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: and even today where there are so many people trying
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: to get access, there are still opportunities to get permission
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: in places if you ask enough, if you talk, if
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: you find creative ways to help people out, people will
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: help you back. So even in this case where your
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: property gets destroyed and there's maybe nothing you want to
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: hunt anymore, I certainly wouldn't want to hang it up
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: for the year. I would say, all right, well, now
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: what do I need to do.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: How do you make.
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: Something out of the situation, and how do I find
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: like a silver lining to this? This is a great
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: opportunity to go and do that thing that you've always
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: thought someday I'll do it that brand new adventure, traveling
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: out of state to some new place, or learning a
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: piece of public land. You've always thought, man, that looks
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: pretty good. But I've always had this great farm hunt.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: This is the year when you have ESG hit where
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: your planing a disappears. That's the year ticked flyer, Go
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: do something new, Go try a new technique, a new area,
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: learn some new lessons, because they have nothing to lose
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: and only new opportunities and learnings to gain. So I
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: would view EHD as an unfortunate pivot point that you
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: should try to make the best of. Yeah, I think
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: that's the best thing you can do. I mean, sitting
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: there and sulking for the whole year probably is doing
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: a human And you know, this is a more occurring issue,
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: and that's why this was a question that I asked
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: eight people, and everyone had a different level of experience
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: with EHD, and that the general consensus was.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Move on.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's all you could probably do and obviously
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: verify that there was an issue, because EHD is always
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: a rumor. It's always oh so and so heard from
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: so and so that there was a bunch of dead deer,
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: and so that kind of perpetuates a lot of panic,
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: and maybe sometimes it's over sensationalized, and sometimes maybe it's
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: very accurate. And so I think you had to figure
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: out what that is, and that was the general consensus.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: So that's the HD.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: I hope everyone listening to this does not have to
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: experience this issue. And I hopefully this is a trend
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: that becomes less popular and occurs less often, but it's
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: something that's really real right now, and so that's why
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: we asked that. But next week we have a really
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: I guess, kind of somewhat philosophical question of how can
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: we make the next twenty five years of hunting beer
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: hunting better than the last twenty five And we have
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: a great variety of answers, and I hope you guys
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: tune in next week.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Obviously, it is.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: My wish here that no one has to experience this,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: but it is an issue that is becoming.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: More and more prevalent.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that are hypothesizing different solutions
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: and trying to hopefully mitigate the problems with EHD, and
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: hopefully there's a solution in the future. There's obviously some
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: things that people talked about from a habitat perspective of
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: what you could potentially.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Do, and this is the reality of the situation right now.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Like I said in the very beginning, Ohio unfortunately is
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: facing this once again. There was parts of Illinois last
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: year that got hit and this seems like every single
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: year there's pocketed regions that get really hurt by EHD.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: So hopefully this episode doesn't hit home. But unfortunately, if
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: you're in the Midwest, you can almost earmark this because
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: probably in the next few years, or the next five
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: years or ten years, this is something that you're unfortunately
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: likely going to face as things sit today.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: So that is it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: We are closing out the back forty series here pretty soon.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: We have one more episode that I hope you guys
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: will enjoy. It's a very overarching, big picture, more philosophical
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: question that I wanted to get perspective from all of
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: these guests.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: So that is it. We will see you next time.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: See you