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GABRIEL PAULISTA - Podpah _1033 · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Receive us with a lot of affection, make a lot
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  Speaker 1: of noise, clap your hands, scream, knock down the studio,
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  Speaker 1: because who is here today for our talk, for the
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  Speaker 1: most amazing podcast in the world, is he, the sheriff
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  Speaker 1: of Fiel, Gabriel Paulista. I want applause!
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  Speaker 4: Let's go!
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  Speaker 1: Let's go! That's it, Ramon. How are you, my brother?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Satisfaction.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for the opportunity to be
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  Speaker 1: here participating in your program. This success that you come
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  Speaker 1: to every day. Thank you, brother. You deserve it for
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  Speaker 1: everything that has been happening in your life. And once again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for the opportunity for people to get to
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  Speaker 1: know me a little better there. So we can change
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  Speaker 1: some ideas here. What's up?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming, man.
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  Speaker 5: We are very happy when a player who is playing.
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  Speaker 3: He's in action, Mítico. I'm going to stick it in
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  Speaker 3: the kids. He's not playing, he played on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: So, he played recently. The potato is ripening, it's still
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  Speaker 1: hurting from the game. It's still with the guy. It's
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  Speaker 1: still with the guy. Even more with the game... It's raining,
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  Speaker 1: the field is heavy, so... Today it was really tiring. Brother,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about this classic that you already started talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Then we start from the beginning. But when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the weather, you say, wow, it's raining like hell,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to play at a time like this, it's
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  Speaker 1: fucking cold, I don't think anyone will come. Then you
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  Speaker 1: look at the stadium, it's packed, man. How is it
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  Speaker 1: for you, player and supporter, to enter the field? There's
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  Speaker 1: no excuse, right? To be honest, it's good to play,
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: you know? It's better than playing at 4 p.m., it's
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  Speaker 1: very hot. So, for us, this weather is very good
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  Speaker 1: to play. And, man, I think that this weather, with rain,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know what Corinthians is. We have no doubt
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  Speaker 1: that the stadium will be the same.
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  Speaker 3: You have no more doubts, right? The Corinthians player has.
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  Speaker 1: No more doubts about that. He has, he has. So,
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  Speaker 1: we know that... because the fans show up and the
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  Speaker 1: guys are different. They really help us a lot and
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  Speaker 1: give us something extra on the pitch. So we try
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  Speaker 1: to show what we can't do. Sometimes in the final minute,
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  Speaker 1: in the 90th minute, the guys always give us that support.
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  Speaker 1: It's a plus for us and it's different.
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  Speaker 3: Since you started talking about it, I also wanted to.
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  Speaker 5: I know you've played in several teams and you've seen
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  Speaker 5: several fans. Is Corinthians fans really different?
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  Speaker 1: I'm suspicious to say, right? But you played in Turkey, right?
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  Speaker 1: And people there say it's the most hallucinated and passionate
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  Speaker 1: people for football. You played in Besiktas, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So, like... It's about knowing, man, you went through the
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  Speaker 1: Spanish championship, the English championship, you went to the Turkish championship...
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  Speaker 1: The Corinthians is the coolest. Of all the teams I've
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  Speaker 1: played in, Turkey was the place that impressed me the most,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it was a classic. Besiktas, Fenerbahçe, Galatasaray. The
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  Speaker 1: atmosphere is different, it's the week, it's tense. When you
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  Speaker 1: get to the game, the atmosphere is really different. But,
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  Speaker 1: as I said, I'm suspicious of saying it because I'm
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  Speaker 1: from Corinthians, so this team is number one, it's not
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  Speaker 1: the same.
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  Speaker 3: What do you see as different about this team from
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  Speaker 3: the others?
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  Speaker 1: Because the guys don't go. First, I think it's important.
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  Speaker 1: I think sometimes there are players who feel that they
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  Speaker 1: go on the field. So the guys... There is the charge,
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: but the charge is outside, you know? The charge is
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  Speaker 1: after the game, sometimes when the team comes in a
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  Speaker 1: bad sequence, so the guys charge there. But on the field...
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  Speaker 1: It seems that the fans understand that Havaia will even
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  Speaker 1: get in the way. Exactly, it gets in the way.
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  Speaker 5: And really, sometimes, at the moment of the game, the
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  Speaker 5: players look at you and say like this, bro, look
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  Speaker 5: at the fans, man. Let's represent, look what they're causing here.
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  Speaker 5: Causes this in the player too? Because the fans don't.
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  Speaker 3: Stop, bro.
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  Speaker 1: You know? No, it causes. We sometimes comment like this
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  Speaker 1: on the field, when sometimes it stops like this, bro,
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  Speaker 1: this crowd is... What's going on, right? The guys are
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  Speaker 1: too different. And I.
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  Speaker 1: As a Corinthian, sometimes I just stand there and look around.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be very focused not to look at
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  Speaker 1: the planes. Exactly. So, what I'm living now is something
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  Speaker 1: very special for me. I've been dreaming a lot to
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  Speaker 1: make this dream come true. And, thank God, I've been
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  Speaker 1: doing it and everything is working out. So, let's get
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  Speaker 1: to the beginning, Gabriel. Really, bro. I want to know...
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  Speaker 1: You're from São Paulo, obviously. But what kind of kid
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  Speaker 1: are you? And what was your childhood dream? Was it soccer?
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  Speaker 1: How does soccer appear in your life? Man, I'm from
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  Speaker 1: Jardim Mitsutani, El Edi, near Capão, Campo Limpo. South Zone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: South Zone. Well, you know, I'm a kid from Quebrada.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have many opportunities. So, it's just soccer in
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  Speaker 1: the neighborhood schools. That's where I started, where I grew up.
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  Speaker 1: Playing in the school of Eledi, Cafuringa. So, I started there.
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  Speaker 1: But I never had opportunities in clubs. I see. But
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  Speaker 1: how old were you when you started playing soccer? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I started when I was 10. My parents didn't let
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  Speaker 1: me play. I only played on the street, in front
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  Speaker 1: of my house. We used to set up our little
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  Speaker 1: goal with the kids. But after 11, 12 years, my
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  Speaker 1: father let me play a little more. So I went
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  Speaker 1: to Cafurinha, which is on the top street where I lived.
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  Speaker 1: So we started there, in the little schools that we had.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a gym? It was a gym and there
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  Speaker 1: was a field as well. What was your position like?
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  Speaker 3: I started as a striker.
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  Speaker 1: No one wants to be a striker. No one wants
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  Speaker 1: to be a striker, but thanks to God I stopped
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  Speaker 1: playing for the national team. I didn't go to the goalkeeper. Sorry, Neca,
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  Speaker 1: but it's worse, right? But it's not possible. So I
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  Speaker 1: started on the attack. I kept going back and there
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  Speaker 1: was a friend of mine, who is now my coach, Klebinho.
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  Speaker 1: I was a striker and he told me that I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't be a striker, I had to step back a little.
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  Speaker 1: So I said, I'll be a striker, I won't step back.
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  Speaker 1: Then I played a game or two and he said, bro,
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  Speaker 1: you can't do it. You can't do it.
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  Speaker 3: Why can't you do it?
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  Speaker 5: What was the characteristic that called you to the game?
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  Speaker 1: He thought that I... Because even playing on the attack,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was already extinct or something. Even playing
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  Speaker 1: on the attack, I used to go back a lot
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  Speaker 1: to defend. And then he said, man, you can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: On the attack, you have to go back a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, no, I'm going to stop here on
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  Speaker 1: the fly. He said, no, you have to be a goalkeeper.
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  Speaker 1: Then we played the breaking tournaments, right? That was... Copa
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  Speaker 1: Cidade de São Paulo, we used to play a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But it was all Varz, right? Yes, Varz. And then
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  Speaker 1: there was a game that one of our players couldn't play.
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  Speaker 1: He said, but you'll have to play the Zaga. And
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: then I played this game a lot. He said, I
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  Speaker 1: told you.
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  Speaker 5: But did you find it easier to play at that
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  Speaker 5: moment in the Zaga?
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  Speaker 3: Did you meet at that moment, let's say so?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I liked it a lot because of the game
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  Speaker 1: I played. I liked it a lot. But even so,
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  Speaker 1: I said, I can't do it. I can't be a goalkeeper.
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  Speaker 1: I want to score goals. And then we had this discussion,
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  Speaker 1: but it ended up being a goal. And things... Alice,
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  Speaker 1: were you already a teenager? Or still a child? I
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  Speaker 1: was 15, 16 years old. So soccer for you was
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  Speaker 1: already becoming serious? Yes. Because... Because I never had the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity in clubs, right? But have you ever played in
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: a peneira? No, not at all. When I tell the guys,
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  Speaker 1: they don't believe me. I didn't have a base. Who
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  Speaker 1: taught you to play ball, Gabriel? Gueto. We learn it
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  Speaker 1: on the streets, in the favelas. I never had the opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: And then, I was 16, 17 years old. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: my mother... Because at home we are seven brothers, right? Wow!
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  Speaker 1: A team, huh? It's a team.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big room.
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  Speaker 1: Then my brothers got married. Everyone was... I'm the youngest. Wow!
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  Speaker 1: I stayed at home and my mother said, you have
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: to find a way to help me, right? Because the
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: situation is not very good and such. And then... I
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  Speaker 1: said to my mom, mom, I'm just going to play football,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing else, I just know how to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I told her, my first job will be a professional
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  Speaker 1: football athlete, there's nothing else. You didn't even get to
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  Speaker 1: do anything else?
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  Speaker 3: Nothing, nothing. And she said, how do you have this confidence?
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  Speaker 1: I believe in God and it will happen. And then, okay,
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: things went on. And Tabom da Serra always played Copinha.
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  Speaker 1: And then the guys did some tests. Was it Cats?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember. And then the guys did the tests,
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  Speaker 1: the preparation for Copinha. And then I went there. I
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  Speaker 1: went there, but I was coming, I played with the
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  Speaker 1: guys there at USP. The guys also set up a
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  Speaker 1: little school there and I went there. And I broke
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  Speaker 1: my foot. Playing? From 17 to 18 years old. Wow,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: that was a crucial moment.
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  Speaker 3: How was that situation? Were you playing Peneira?
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  Speaker 1: No, the guys already had a project to play the
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: São Paulo City Cup against the neighborhoods and such. And
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I went there, the guys invited me and I went.
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  Speaker 1: And then it happened, I broke my foot. And then
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  Speaker 1: I said, damn, I'm already in trouble, right? And I said, damn,
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: now what am I going to do?
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  Speaker 3: Did you think your career would end, let's say so?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because... When it comes to professionalizing... Actually, it's the
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  Speaker 1: last year of juniors, right? So, I was a professional
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  Speaker 1: straight away... The dream is over. It's over. And then, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I went to do this test, and I was coming
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  Speaker 1: back from that injury, right? The guys said, fuck, there's
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: no way, you'll have to leave.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And then, okay, I went home.
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  Speaker 3: What did you say to your mom?
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  Speaker 1: I said, mom, it didn't work out there, but it
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: will work out somewhere. Wow, your mom is a girl.
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  Speaker 1: My mom is too warrior. And then, okay. And then, man,
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  Speaker 1: it was God who put a guy there in Taboão.
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  Speaker 1: This guy, he kept knowing that I went there to
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  Speaker 1: do this test. And this guy, he was very close
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  Speaker 1: to my brother. My brother who passed away, that I
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  Speaker 1: already told you in the interviews and stuff. He was
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: very close to this brother of mine. At that moment,
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  Speaker 1: your brother had already passed away or not yet? He
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: had already passed away. And he kept saying, man, it's Gabriel.
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  Speaker 1: What Gabriel? Is it Rizadinha's brother? My brother, his nickname
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  Speaker 1: is Rizadinha, right? That's cool. It's Rizadinha's brother. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: came there. Bring this kid back. Because I was a
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  Speaker 1: big friend of his brother and I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Going to help him.
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  Speaker 1: Man. Crazy stuff. The guy is my RP, man. I
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  Speaker 1: knew this guy, but I was 9 years old, man.
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  Speaker 1: He was 9 years old. He was a friend of
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  Speaker 1: your brother. He was a friend of my brother. I
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  Speaker 1: knew him, but we saw each other once or twice.
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  Speaker 1: But he must have had a lot more loyalty for
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  Speaker 1: your brother.
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  Speaker 3: And when he called you, you were still with your
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  Speaker 3: foot broken.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I had already recovered. I did this test
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  Speaker 1: on Taboão. I was proven wrong. Then he was one
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: of the investors. But after he found out that I
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: went there. Then he told me to go home. I
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  Speaker 1: came back. Then he said, you're going to play here
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  Speaker 1: with me. And the guys were like, man, he doesn't
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: have the conditions. Man, whoever puts the money on me,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: he'll play. I choose.
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  Speaker 3: What is this, man?
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  Speaker 1: Did your brother play a ball? He played. Was he
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: a defender? No, he was a midfielder, canhoto. I think
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: he had a little more quality, right? A lot more.
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  Speaker 1: A lot, a lot. And then, I played the cup,
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  Speaker 1: and there was São José de Rio Preto in the group,
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  Speaker 1: Fortaleza and Vitória. And then, Against Fortaleza I played a
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  Speaker 1: good game, Rio Preto not so much, and I played
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: a lot against Vitória. I played a lot. And it
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: was João Paulo, who is from Palmeiras now, the director.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: João Paulo was the director of Vitória. Then he took
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: me there, to do a test. But that's crazy, man.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: You know? You left out of nowhere to go to
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  Speaker 1: Bahia to do a test.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: How long did it take, Gabriel? From the no you took,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: to your brother's friend saying, call him there. A month.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: And for you to go to Vitória, how much longer?
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  Speaker 1: One more month. What is that? Because I did the
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: test in December, because the preparation is there, at the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: end of November, December, to start the cup in January.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: So that was it, that time. I finished the cup,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: we didn't qualify, I went home. Then in February, this
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: friend called again and said, we're going to Salvador tomorrow. Come.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I said, but what's going on? He said, you're going
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: to do a test in Vitória. I said, it took
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: a while, let's go. It's the last chance.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: But damn!
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  Speaker 1: It must have been the mission of your life, right? No,
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  Speaker 1: I was also afraid, the first time I was going
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: to take a plane. Were you nervous? Nervous, bro. And
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: then I told my mom, I'm going to Salvador tomorrow.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: But how so? I got a test there in Vitória,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going there. Things will work out. Then she said,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: we don't even have a suitcase for you to take.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I said, I don't even have clothes, man.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Put it in a bag and let's go.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Then, okay, some clothes that I had there, we didn't
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: have a suitcase, I went to the neighbor, to Dona Maria,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I got a suitcase, she lent it to me. A handkerchief, really,
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  Speaker 1: of cloth.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go.
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  Speaker 4: Dona Maria.
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  Speaker 3: Dona Maria. Monster.
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  Speaker 1: And then I went to Salvador, I was still in test,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: three months there, doing test. Hot as hell.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: What was the test routine like? Because it must have
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: been a hell of an expectation.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: We've heard people say that they were hungry, that they
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: only ate yogurt. They slept under the counter.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: No, Vitória had a very good structure, man. Vitória is
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  Speaker 1: a structure, and today it's much more, you know? So, Vitória...
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  Speaker 1: I'm very grateful to Vitória, it's crazy. It helped me
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  Speaker 1: a lot to open the doors and... But this question
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  Speaker 1: that we asked you is very cool. How was your
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: routine in these three months? What did you do? No,
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  Speaker 1: and this test was with the group itself. With Profi? No,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: with the juniors, because it was the last.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Year of juniors.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I got it. So... It's crazy. So I went, I
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: did these tests, I stayed there for three months, but
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you the truth, I arrived in the second month,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I said, man, nothing is going to happen, I'm going
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: to have to go back to São Paulo.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: And such.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And then the juniors coach at the time said, Gabriel
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the conditions, he has to go back. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: João Paulo... That's why I say that João Paulo was
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: God himself who put him in my life too. Because
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: João Paulo said, no, leave him there because I saw
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: him play. João Paulo said that way to the coach,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I saw him play, leave him.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: You weren't having the opportunity to play there, for example?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: No, just training, just training, training. And then, okay, things
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: were happening. After three months, I signed my professional contract,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: because the juniors are already professional. I signed my contract.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: That was in February, March, April. In June... I became
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a professional. I was Carpegiani, Vitória' s coach. I became a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: professional in June. And how was the first game? They
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: only went to a final of the Brazilian Cup. Cup.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it there?
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: 2010?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: The year I went to Vitória was 2009. That's when
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: all this happened. The test, I became a professional. And then,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: in 2010, the victory goes to the final of the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Brazilian Cup. But going back just one step, when you
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: say that the people arrived and said that Gabriel didn't
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: have a level. Now you, personally speaking, did you feel
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: that too? Like, damn, I'm really down. Or not? You
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: looked and said, man, I have a level, yes. I
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: think they just don't want to count on me anymore.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: What happens with us who come from the break, because
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of preparation, right? So what we
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: feel the most is the physical preparation. We don't have
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: much of that, right? The breath, right? Yeah. So the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: guys there in Bahia, the guys flying, and I was
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: left behind. Technical quality, you equalize it. But it's not
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: just the quality that you win the game, right?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: There's no way.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I understand, brother. Great point. And then, thanks God, things
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: started to happen little by little. I became a professional.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And in the same year, 2009, Carpegiani was sent away.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: He took over Mancini, and Mancini came back to the team. Wow!
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: He came back to the team.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: He claimed that he wasn't ready yet.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: He wasn't ready to play as a professional. Exactly, because
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I was already thin. I was even thinner. And I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: respected his decision, because what can we do? We'll fight
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: with him. But I imagine that for you, you were
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: already living something extraordinary. Until then, you had only played
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: VARs and VARs, those locker rooms like that, and then
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you got to the professional team. So I think you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: were already like, damn, I have to continue here somehow.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I thought to myself, things are happening, but I can't
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: let it fall now. I have to break even more.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Of course, Mancini arrived, his decision was that Gabriel wasn't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: ready yet, he had to go back to the base.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Of course, I felt that a lot, but it gave
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: me strength. I was sad, but at the same time
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I said, man, I'm going to be ready, but I'm
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: going to work. What did you do? Did you work harder?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I dedicated myself more and more. Brazil knows how it is,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: two games, the guys don't win, they send the coach away.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: After a while, he was sent away and I don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: remember who took over. I went back to being a professional.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: But there was a Brazilian U-20 championship in the south.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I played and I blew it. I was already the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: captain of the juniors. I blew it with Vitória playing there.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Did you already have a leadership in the locker room?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I've always been a leader. I transmit a lot of leadership.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: The guys respect me a lot. Cool. It's my way
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and what I do on the field too. So I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: get respect in the world of football. But why do
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you feel comfortable being a leader? Because sometimes I see, man,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: following a VAR locker room, something like that, or even
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the backstage of a professional team, you see, like, fuck,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that guy plays a lot, but who talks is the
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: other one. Who's talking here now is that guy, he's
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the one who has the voice. Sometimes, even the best
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: players don't talk about it. And that's very important for
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: someone who takes the lead. Because I think that pre-game moment,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: before you go up, is very important, that warm-up, those words.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: It's very important. But I'm a guy that... My profile
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: was like this, I was always quiet. And the guys
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: respected me, my dedication in training and on the field,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in the game. So, in this Brazilian U-20 Championship, The
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: team that chose me to be captain. The coach asked
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: who should be the captain. Everyone, Gabriel.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And then, I was getting a moral there. And then
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I do a good championship. Then in January, when you
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: introduce yourself, I already introduced myself as a professional. Then
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I still play the Bahian championship. We are Bahian champions.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And in that same year, we go to the final
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of the Brazil Cup. And I played both games. I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: entered the game, right? The first was in Vila. and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the second one was in Barradão, and I played both games. No.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of crazy things. First, you won
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: your first title as a professional. I think that's something
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: you'll never forget, the first title as a professional. But
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: this is very curious. You played the final of the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Brazil Cup, that team of geese, Neymar, my God. Everyone
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: was riding a motorcycle. The detail, going back a little,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: when I signed my contract, the first person I called
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: was my mom. Of course, crying is not possible. I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: told the lady that my first job was to be
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: an athlete. And you know, the emotion and such. So
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: she hadn't been to Bahia to see you? No. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: then after a while she went to visit me there.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: So it was very gratifying. I thank God and my
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: parents very much. They trusted you. Because I think it
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: was a moment you were waiting for, right, brother? I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: think everyone, in some way, who is from Quebrada, goes
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: through this moment of... Damn, 16 years old, 17... You say, wow,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I have to help at home, but wow, I wanted
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to cheat with that. So I think you spend a
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: lot of time wishing for that, something very idealized, very far,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: but it happened, you know? So that should be an
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: explosion of feeling, you know? Too much, too much. It
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: was something like.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: It's God, man. There's nothing else to explain. It happened.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: We played against Santos FC.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: How was the preparation for a game like this?
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: After all, we're going to play against those guys.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: The boys are happy. Sleep early, put your legs up
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and let's see what happens. Pray, God bless us.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: The boys were in great joy.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Man, it was nice to see that time. This Copa
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: do Brasil, the minimum goal that Santos used to make
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: was 7. 7, 8.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: We were playing.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Against the guys, it was great to see them play.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: The guys played a lot. The guys played a lot,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: but Santos was... But what was the talk in the pre-election?
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Because this is what Mítico said, it's curious, because probably,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and obviously, Vitória wasn't the favorite, it was Neymar's team,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Santos' team. How do you pass a confidence to that team,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: or let's play everything behind? What is said for when
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you go... Clearly, you're the ugly duck in the final. Man, there,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of course, the coach will never say, let's... The guys
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: are The guys are good, we're not going to be afraid. No,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of course not. The coach tries to transmit. On the week,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: we do the training that maybe we can cancel the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: main players. And we still play a good game at Vila.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: It was a 2-1 game, Neymar lost a penalty. So
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: we go with hope for Salvador. I said, Salvador, come
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to Barra Dão, that grass there, hitting the cinnamon, the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: boys won't run like that. And then it rained, it
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: rained a lot that day, and Barra Dão got really heavy.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: And then I said, man, we have a chance, we
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: can beat them. I made a goal because I still
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: counted the goal out, 1x0 was you guys, right? And
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: then we start the game pressing the guys, we still
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: lost two goals. with Schwenk, I don't know if you
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: remember him. I remember, of course. And then, in a
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: stopped ball, I think, in a side foul, Santos scores
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a goal. And that, whether you like it or not,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: because the goal was out, so... It's already down. Damn,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: it's already down our pressure. But we still managed to
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: play a great game in Salvador. But the guys played
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: with joy. It was impressive to see.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: The guys playing too.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: How was it to see Ney playing close to you?
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: With 17 years old. He was flying, right?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: He was trying to get there, and he was.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Until today, he's really good.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Because he was laughing, dribbling, laughing. No, I can't remember
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: who told me that. Give him a chance. Then I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: just heard him saying, if you find it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Wow! But it was true! You thought I was going
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to stay here for a few seconds, waiting. And Ganso
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: looked like he was slow. But he had speed, speed, agility,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: he went out to receive, Robinho, he went out on
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the field, the guys were different. Santos was really good. Brother,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and then, after your victory, you go to Villarreal, right? Yes.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: How was it? Yes, you left from Salvador to Spain.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Who saw you? And how did the invitation happen? So,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: this friend there, he becomes my businessman, right? He becomes
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: my businessman, so he starts taking care of my career. Right.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: And then, okay. Then I start playing at Vitória, the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: clubs already have an interest, Inter, Corinthians itself also had
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: an interest, but it never came to be realized and such.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and there was some survey to go to the U-20
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: national team and such, so things started to grow.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: You caught the attention there at that time, right?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And then, okay, then a business man appears from outside,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: calls me, then that there, people have already started to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: look for me, the business man calls me and says, okay,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: this is Hugo Garcia, I'm an entrepreneur, Do you have
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a manager? I said, yes. Can you give me his number?
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And he just said, can you give me his number?
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: And congratulations for the season. That's it. Then, about 10
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: minutes later, my manager called and said, this guy brought
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: a proposal from Vila Real.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: How long were you there? Four years.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I already knew Vila Real, because I liked Neymar, who
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: played for Corinthians. At the time, I watched a lot
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: of them. They came to the Champions League semifinals. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: watched Forlán. I liked them a lot. I already knew
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Vila Real. Marco Senna played there. I said, man, Vila Real...
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And then the guys came with the official proposal for Vitória.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: And Vitória said, no, we're not going to sell it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And the guys already brought the numbers and everything, the salary.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I said, my friend, you don't understand. Are you crazy?
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It's going to change my life, man. Then the guys said, no,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: we're going to give you this for a signature. I said, man,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: this signature already changes the life of my parents. And
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the president at the time was Mr. Raimundo. Mr. Raimundo...
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: That old man was so funny. He said, I'm not
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: going to sell you now, son. I said, Raimundo, you
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: don't understand. It's going to change my life, man. The
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: life of my family. I have to leave. And... But
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: also just for people to understand too, because... Really, that's
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: going to change my life. Not that I wasn't happy
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: at Vitória. For the love.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Of God, brother.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: We understand, right? You leave a boy who didn't have
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: a base, didn't have a chance. An angel appears and says,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: come on, go to Vitória. A man with a truck
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of money. You know?
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: This one, yes.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: But now, go to Vitória. It's been four seasons. It's beautiful.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: It's Spain. You had to go to Villarreal. You had
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to play La Liga. Please.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: When you told your mom that they wanted you in Spain,
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: how was it?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: My mom was there with the guy. No, my mom,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: she said, no, my son, play here, near my mom.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Near my mom. Always. Always. I said, mom, it's the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: opportunity that we're going to have now. I'm going to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: have to leave. And then things happened, Vitória sold me,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and at the time it was the most expensive sale
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: in the history of Northeastern soccer.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. Did this negotiation take a long time?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: No, not yet. And then Inter comes back again, then
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Inter comes with a proposal. Didn't it work, brother? Then
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I thought, damn, Inter and such, I'll stay in Brazil.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Because I also started thinking about my family and such.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Then my manager said, I think it's better for you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to go to Europe, because European football is different, I
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: think your career will be like that. So I listened
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: to him a lot, and then I went to Vila Real,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: things worked out, which was also a place that was adaptation,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: it wasn't easy. Did you find it very difficult, brother?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Very difficult.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Like what, bro? Say some difficult things.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: No, that's why, because I didn't have a base. I
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: didn't have a base, so I started to really feel
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: that it was soccer. And sometimes I would get home
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and say, man, I don't know how to play. In
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the training, did you feel that way? Man, it was
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a space like this, reduced, with 10 black players in
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: this space, one touch on the ball, two touches on
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the ball. And I would say, man, what am I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: doing here?
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Man, you didn't see it in real life thinking about it, man.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Man, two touches on the ball, one touch, and I
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: was lost. I said, man, what am I doing here?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to play soccer. I would go
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: home crying. But then I started, I said, no, I'm here,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I have to adapt and I'll get it. And then
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: things went on and I stayed three months in this adaptation.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Then there was a time when the coach arrived and said,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: he warned the president first, my businessman, then my businessman
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: called and said, Gabriel, you have to look for a
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: team for a better adaptation and then, who knows, he'll
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: be back. And then the guys were already setting up
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a team to go to Italy. And then I said,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to another place, I haven't even adapted here yet.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: And I'll have to travel. And then my manager said, man,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: but change the idea with the coach too. Tell him that,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank him. Because really, I started to learn
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: from him, you know. He used to hit my foot
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a lot. Because in the beginning you say, but the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: coach is annoying, he hits my foot. But then you understand.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: That he wanted your best. Yeah. And then, one day
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I said to him, can I talk to you? He said, no,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: go to my room. I said, first of all, thank you,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I will thank you eternally. Because Brazilian football is different,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: here I am adapting to football again. And I am
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: learning from you, thank you very much, from the bottom
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of my heart. I will be grateful to you forever.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: The next day he said, no, Gabriel will stay. We
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: talked about it and he told me that I was
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: going to stay. I told the president that Gabriel wasn't
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: going to leave. This is a small detail that few
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: people think about. But how was the difference.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Between the training, for example, because it was European, in
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: addition to this reduced field, what else did you feel
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: a lot of difficulty, which was very different from Brazilian football?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: It's a lot faster. The grass is different.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: The players are stronger. The players say that the pass
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: looks like a kick.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: The pass is different. The training was different. How long
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: did you find your football? Did you say that you
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: could train with the guys? After two months I started
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to adapt better. After that conversation with him, he said, no,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you're going to stay. And then there was a game,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: then one of the players got hurt, the other took
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the card, I was suspended. And then the reserve also
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: had some physical problem. He looked at me like this, yeah,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: it's going to have to be you, right? It's going
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to be. And then it was at the time of that...
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: It was right at the beginning of Atlético de Madrid,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: with Simeone. It was Diego Costa at Atlético, Godin... It
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: was Davi Villa, Felipe Luiz, there was a great team.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: It was the year they won La Liga. Gabriel had
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to play against these guys. Against Atlético de Madrid. Diego Costa.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I was always upset. I said, I'm not going to
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: beat this guy. It's my meal today. And he was
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: also a guy who always liked to provoke and stuff.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: We used to fight a lot against Diego Costa. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: then I told him, man, you're going to fix it,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: because I'm also going to... Were you exchanging there, talking?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: But then he's a sensational guy. Outside, you say, man,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: who is that guy who was in there? Totally different,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: the guy transforms. But a guy, man, with a giant heart.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: How much was this game, Gabriel? We lost the game,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: but I played for the guy, he was one of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the best on the field. From this game, the coach
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: is you and ten more. Because of your dedication. I
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: started playing, then I play 50 games for Villarreal and
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sold to Arsenal.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: No, but wait, I also want to know, I'm curious
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: about how was the language, food, your experience, friendship, how
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: was this adaptation of yours too?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I've always been a shy guy, I've always been more
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: reserved and such. And this adaptation was also difficult.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: It's always curious to know the adaptation of the player.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: It was difficult. The club is also different. There are
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: some teachers there to teach the athletes, the foreigners and such.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: So I started to have Spanish classes. Did you find it.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Very difficult at the beginning?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Or boring? No, I think it's more... Pelo meu perfil, assim,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: de ser tímido, sabe? Então, achava pra mim que era
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: muito difícil. De ficar falando. Vergonha de falar. Vergonha, exatamente. Vergonha.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Até pela... A primeira vez que eu fiz entrevista no Vitória,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: meu Deus do céu, eu queria entrar debaixo da mesa. Valeu, gente.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Não quero falar, não. Então, foi isso. Essa adaptação também
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: foi um pouquinho difícil, mas depois... Isso era 2014, 2015,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: pelo que você tá falando? Eu fui pra lá 13.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: 13 ainda?
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Tá, 13.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: 13, 14. Pô... there was such a Cristiano Ronaldo there
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in Spain, right, Messi.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: How is it that I was moving because it was.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Like this beauty Cristiano Ronaldo Cristiano Ronaldo is still playing
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Messi is still playing extra class but at that time
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: if I said that Neymar was on the bike the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: guys were from what already from the field How was
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: it brother to mark these Trios there MSN BBC there
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: was a day that you said my God It's over.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: For God's sake. It's over. But that's what happened. I
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: played against the guys. Sometimes I would say, I'm here
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: with the guys. My first game against Real Madrid, I
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: took Marcelo's shirt and Pepe's. Because Pepe is a reference
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: for me. He's a great defender too. I think Pepe
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: is a monster. and then I have his shirt for
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the time being so I saw those guys playing there
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and then I made these 50 games and it was
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a year and a half more or less and then
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the one that comes to the proposal of the Arsenal
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: too but that one there too I'm not believing it's
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: not the Arsenal Are you sure the guys are not
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the Arsenal proposal such and then happened, I also went
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to Arsenal. And in Arsenal things started to go very fast,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I started to play and the call for the Brazilian
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: national team. This Arsenal is where Ozio is, right? Yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: there was Ozio, Alex Sanches, there was a team, Giroud.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Have you had the opportunity to be on the team?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a couple of weeks there, but also
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the adaptation. It's a different language too, which I haven't
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: learned until today.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Different city. It's cold, much colder. What about food? Are
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: you good with food?
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: No, I'm good. I'm good. England also has really good restaurants.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And how is it when you go to a team
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: like that? Do you have a divided team already?
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Did someone receive you better? Were there any Brazilians who
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: came to you? How was their reception with you? In Arsenal,
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: there were no Brazilians. There were only.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Edu? No, Edu wasn't there.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: There were only a few Spaniards. They already knew me
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: from Spain, because of the games. They received me very well.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: What changes from La Liga to the Premier League? In
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: terms of football. England is more physical. Spain is more technical.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Not today, it changed a lot. When I went, it
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: was very physical. From my point of view, they didn't
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: respect the positions. It was a race and such. And Spain, no.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Spain is more tactical. More classic.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Which one did you prefer until this moment?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Spain. Spain is another level. For me, it's in first place,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: then comes England. Well, because people say that the Premier
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: League is the... Elite. The elite. Of the thing, right?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I believe it's more about the money, right? The Premier
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: League is... There's no comparison. There's no other competition in
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: terms of finances. I see. It's crazy, right? There isn't. But, yeah,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: that's a truth. I, particularly, when I'm watching a Premier League,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: it's a faster game, but it's a lot of crossing,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of... I don't know what. I like
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to watch a football a little more calm. More... More condensed.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Today, football is very fast in any championship, but I
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: understand what he's trying to say. I still prefer Spanish football,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you know? It's more technical. Man, the El Clásico happened,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: it's amazing. I don't stop to watch Manchester and Chelsea,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: but I stop to watch Barcelona and Real Madrid.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: But regarding the fans, how was the difference between the
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: fans of Arsenal and Villarreal?
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: We say that Villarreal is only for gentlemen, right? It's
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a silence from that stadium.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: If you lose, it's okay.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: If you win, it's okay. There's no pressure, you know? Seriously.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Because it's a small town. Vila Real is close to Valencia.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: It's about 30 kilometers from Valencia. Valencia is a bigger city.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And Vila Real has 50,000 inhabitants. And the stadium fits 40,000. Man...
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Everyone is watching the city game. I didn't know that.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: It's a small city, but it's more like a city
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: for the elderly.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: But it's a nice city. I really liked living there.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And the fans of Arsenal? It's another story. Man, England...
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: They really like... They like football, you know? To watch.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: They're not there to cheer. I see. But South Americans
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: are crazy, right? Yeah, South Americans and Turks. Yeah, right?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: And then there was this, it wasn't much... You didn't
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: hear much noise, not even in the classics, it wasn't anything.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: It was more to watch the game, the guys. In Arsenal,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: how many seasons do you stay, my brother?
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Two.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Two and a half seasons. That was quick. Did you
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: want to stay or not? Do you live in Valencia? Yes,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I live in Valencia. I arrived in Arsenal and this coach,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: who was from Villarreal, who told me that I had
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to leave, then he came back and gave me the opportunity,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: he left Villarreal and took over Valencia. And then he
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: asked for my contract.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I missed it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: He asked for my contract. Then my employer even said,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: you're seeing how football is, life, right? That's why sometimes
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: we have to be grateful to people. Get out of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the open door, right? And then it happens, he asks
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: for my contract. At first I was like, I'm in Arsenal.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: With all due respect to Valencia, but I said, I'm
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: in Arsenal, one of the biggest clubs in England. And
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: then I said... And I wasn't having so many opportunities
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: at Arsenal, right, bro? And then I said... Who were
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the players there? It was Mettersacker, remember him? The German. German, Mettersacker.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: He was world champion here in Brazil. And then, okay.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Then I tell the guys, no, accept the proposal, I'll go.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Then the next day I said, no, I won't go anymore, no.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Then I got to the Arsenal manager and said, no,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not going anymore. I still think I can make
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: more money here.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Was the proposal good?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: And then, in terms of values, salary, I was going
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to earn more in Valencia than I earned in Arsenal. Good.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And I said, no, I'm going to stay here and such.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Then I said, man, I think it will be better,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: because I already know the La Liga competition well, so
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I think it will be better for me. Then I
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: came back, where I spent almost 7 years in Valencia,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: and that's where I... There you are an idol, right?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I was a champion with Valencia, where Valencia was 11
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: years without winning a title. Copa do Rei you won?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Copa do Rei against Barça, right?
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: In the first season that you already came back? In
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: the second.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: In the second? Because Valencia has been 2 or 3
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: years without playing Champions League, then I come back, Then
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Valencia entered the Champions League, and in the second season,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: we entered the Champions League again and won the Copa
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: do Rei.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: But this coach had prepared an amazing team. He called you,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: he called other players, and he set up a team
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: to be the champion.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Neto, who was at Botafogo, the goalkeeper, was there. Neto
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: also went to the national team at the time. So
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: he set up a very good team. Very competitive. Man,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: how was this Copa do Rei final against Messi's Barcelona?
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Is it a similar pre-election to the one against Santos?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Or is it something that has more chances? Or less chances?
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: It's different. The pre-election is different because... And we already
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: felt it because we had a very good team. So
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: we already felt that we could beat them differently. But
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: in Spain, the coaches themselves... This coach, I'm talking about him, right?
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: In the first season, he said... It's our obligation to
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: win all the matches. Atlético de Madrid, Barcelona and Real Madrid,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: it's like a bonus. Okay, okay. In other words, we
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: were already thinking, it's our obligation to win the guys.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: And Barça and Madrid, it's a bonus. If we win
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: a few points with the guys, it took a while.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: They go lighter. If we win all, right? And then, okay.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: In this first year that I'm there, we do a
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: first turn. We're four points from Barça. First turn. Barça
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: in the lead. Ex-vice-leader. And we played the last game
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: of the first round against Barça, at home. If we win,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: we get a point. And we said to ourselves, we
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: can win La Liga.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Of course!
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: We can win, man! Of course! We can win. Andreas
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: was with us too, in that season. Andreas Pereira. Andreas Pereira. No,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: it's cool to choose the other side, right, Andreas? It's cool, man.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: You're a monster! Leave it. Leave it. And then... He
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: was with us there. And... And then, okay, we... In
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the first half, we were 1-0 up against Barça. And
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: then the play, because the guys score goals. We trained
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the whole week. I think you'll remember how the play was.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: The ball was on Jordi Alba, back, and Messi arrived
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: on the crossbar. We trained the whole week. The play
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: was this, this, this. We took a draw in the end.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: What happened that wasn't how you were.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Then we tie the game, and of course we... I
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: think it's like, we're playing against Messi, we managed to
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: defend until the last minute, and in the last minute
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: we didn't make it. But it's Messi, let's go. But
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: then we create that expectation, but then it starts... We
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: didn't have a team like Barça or Madrid, we had 12,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: 13 players of high level. but it starts to hurt, expulsion, suspension,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: then the level goes down a little. That's what happened,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the second round started to go down. Even so, we
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: scored 70 points. You say, 70 points? The guy won
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the league. Barça scored 95. Wow. And what position? I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: was in fourth.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: 70 points? 70 points. Who were the first three?
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: It must have been Real.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Real, Atlético and us. And we qualify for the Champions League.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Then the following year, the same thing. 570 points, I'm
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: in shock. And we won the Copa do Rei. And
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: that's the preparation, the coach said the same thing. Enjoy
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: the game, without fear. We can win from the guys,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: but it's there to enjoy. It's just respect for the guys.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: You have to be afraid. And we play a game
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and win the game from the guys. We were much
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: better than the guys.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: If you don't get to Messi's ear and say, you're fucked.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but Garay was the
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Argentinian's defender. He used to play with me. He used
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: to take the national team with him. and say, let
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: us win this game. You already have a lot. Messi
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: was there in the interview. Was Messi quiet in those moments?
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: How is Messi in the field, in action? He's a
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: guy that... There.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Are times when you think he's not on the field.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: He's quiet all the time, analyzing. I don't know if
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: you've seen Guardiola talking about him. He's just looking around,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: analyzing the game. Then, the defender ends up saying, man,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: forget about this guy. He's just trying. The ball gets
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: to him, it's a matter of seconds, it's in the area.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: It's impressive, it's an incredible speed. And strength. It's a
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: physical strength that, once.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I tried to knock him down. And he didn't fall, right?
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I fell on the.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Ground and he kept going. Man, how is that possible?
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: A lot of strength. But Valencia was a place that...
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I imagine that this day must have been unforgettable, brother.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Winning Barcelona. What stadium was it? The only final? It
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: was the only final. It was at Betis' stadium. What's
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the name of that stadium? Benito Vila Marina, right? I
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: think that's it. But very crazy, man. I think that's it, yeah.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: And we won at Betis Stadium.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: I'll ask you again, what about Valencia fans?
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Did they hug you?
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: They were crazy. I became an idol there. And the
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: fans were crazy too.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Valencia fans are a different kind of fans. How do
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: you tell your family that you're close to Capão Redondo
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: and that you're an idol in Spain?
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Come and see, bro. The people who love me.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: How do you assimilate that? My mom goes to the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: final in Spain. Wow, she must have been crazy. My
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: dad goes there, my brothers too. They go there to
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: watch the final. Even my brother's fans were crazy. Rafa
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: would say, the fans of the guys here say your name.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: The fans of the guys. You're flying here. It was
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: a great joy to see them there, watching my game
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: and us being champions together. Wow.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: Maybe they didn't have the proportion, they didn't have the
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: notion of it, right?
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: No, I think for them, even today, I think they're like,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: they came.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: From here, they got on a plane, they went to
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: see a game.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's exactly it. And then, I think, how
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: many years? 16 years later, right? Decided to leave without
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: a suitcase. Wow.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: You asked for Dona Maria.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Dona Maria.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Dona Maria.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: 16 years, mythical. That's what happens.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of fighting.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Athlete's life is crazy. You have to dedicate yourself to
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of things. That's crazy. You stay 7 or
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: 8 seasons in Valencia and you get the opportunity to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: go to Besiktas? Or you go to Atlético de Madrid?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I go to Atlético. Because there... I arrive in Valencia
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: and in a season I renew my contract and everything.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: And then I do an automatic renewal clause in the
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: last year. And then, after Covid, Valencia, all the clubs,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: reduced the salary sheet. And Valencia started to reduce. Then
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: this team that we had set up started to leave.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: The most experienced. And I was the only one who stayed.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And then, in this last year of renewal, if I
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: did 20 games in the season, I would renew automatically.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: And then the games started, I started playing, and on
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: the 15th I got the feeling that Valencia was going
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: to call me and take me away. Then I commented
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: at home, I commented with the manager, he said, are
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you crazy? Do you have a name? But how do
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: you feel?
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Were you being pushed? The weather, right?
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I started to feel something like that. No,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the respect, the guys always kept it with me. And
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: then I started to feel that. In the heart.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: In the heart.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: And then it really happened. The coach called me and said,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I received an order, you can't play anymore. Either you
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: take the clause and keep playing, or I'll have to
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: take you. I said, I talked to the coach, I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: knew this was going to happen, I was waiting and stuff.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I was really sad. because of the situation, because there's
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: a name in the club, and the guys... I think
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: it was a lack of respect, because they could have
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: called and talked to me. But that's why you also
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: have to do your part, because the player is good
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: for the club even when he's giving that fruit there.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Then it's like, thanks. So it has to be... This
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: game is awesome, right? There's a lot of that, man.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's why I felt it. And then it
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: ended up happening, And then I was still in the
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: negotiation and I said, I'm going to reduce my salary
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: and everything. I still told the guys, but we don't
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: have money to renew you for next year and such.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: And then I started talking to my employer and he said, man,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Besiktas is already behind you, he wants to hire you.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: And that was in January, right? And I said, man...
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: changing my life to Turkey in January. It's going to
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: be complicated. It's going to be hard to adapt in
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the middle of the season. That's what happened to me
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: in Arsenal. I was in the middle of the season.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: So you had already seen what it was like. And
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: then Atlético came out of nowhere. Gabriel is finishing his contract,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: we need a defender here. I said, how are you, Atlético?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going tomorrow.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: I'm fine.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Then Besiktas said, no, we're going to make an official
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: contract for you, I hired this one. Then the contract
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: was good, man. Good, much bigger than the Atlético. And
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I said, but I don't want to go to Turkey now.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in Spain, then if you come
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: back in August, because the season starts in August, if
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: you come back in August, then we talk. And then
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: the guys increased the proposal, Besiktas. I said, friend, I
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: don't want to, I'm not going. But they were already
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: starting to scratch their necks. Then, okay, the guys increased
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the proposal three times. And it was a very good proposal.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: The guys were wanting it, huh? And then, there was
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: a time when I was pissed off with the guys,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I said like this, look, if you give me this here,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I'll go. Ah, the guys, pô, this one, no, and...
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: You don't need to say how much, but this one
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: was very, very above the third proposal or was, until
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: it was close? To know if they were going to
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: make an even bigger effort.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: It was five times.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: It was more than what I earned in Valencia. Ah,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: that's a good thing. And then, even if I say
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not going, then I do, I say, so make
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: me this proposal here that I'm going. Then the guys, no,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: and such, put the president to talk to me about
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: the guys. The guys come to mind, the guys, and such,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: start offering things that say, you're going to live in castles,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you're going to live in I don't know what, your son...
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: You're going to have more morals than the president. Your
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: son is going to study at the best school and such.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: And really, Turkey and Istanbul is a top country, it's
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: a level. And then I said, I'm not going. Then
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the president said, there's no way we can give this salary,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: but we can offer this. Then I said, no, I'm
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: going to stay in Atlético. And there we use a
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: lot the train, right? To go from Valencia to Madrid,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Madrid to Seville and such, in Spain. In Europe, in general,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: we use a lot the train. And then I'm already
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: on the train. The Turks call again and say, we'll
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: give you what you want. Then I said... Now I'm
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: going to have to go. No, then I said, I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: already gave my word to Atlético. I was going to Madrid.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I said, I already gave my word, there's no way
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: to go back. Then I go to Atlético. I play
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: this rest of the season for six months.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: And then the guys come back again.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Did they keep the proposal? They did.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: That's a good thing.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: They were really wanting it. Family? Turkey. I was on vacation.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: We were here in the countryside. We rented a place
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: in Dayatuba. It's a really nice little town. We were
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: with my family and my boss said, you have to
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: go to Istanbul tomorrow.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: It's always tomorrow, right? It's always tomorrow.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: You have to go to Istanbul tomorrow. I said, okay,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: but what's going on? He said, the guys gave you
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: what you want. But how do you tell your family
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: that you're going to Istanbul tomorrow? Like, now, pack your
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: bags now. You get everyone surprised. Like that, right? I
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: already told my family that I was going to Istanbul tomorrow,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: but I already... That's annoying. I'm going to Istanbul tomorrow,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: and I'll be back in a couple of days. And
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: then I got there, signed my contract, and I still
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: made some trouble with the Turks. Why? Because then I
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: understood a little too, I understood that it is part
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: of it too, because I go to Istambul, we are
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: going to do the medical exams, right? Then there was
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: an alteration in my knee, there was an inflammation. And
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: then the doctor already put it here and said, Gabriel
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: is not fast enough to play. And he went to
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the club. That is, the decision is from the club, right?
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: The club has to take this risk, okay? Then... The
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: guys said, look, you have this change, but you can...
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Let's do this, we want you, but this salary we gave,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: we will have to reduce. I said, but how much
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: will this reduction reduce? The guy took more than half.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I said, thank you, I'm leaving for my country. I
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: was with my family, we were on vacation, you guys
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: leave Brazil to do this party with me, you're kidding me.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: And then the ghetto came down. In Turkey. And Turks
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: are also angry. That's what I was going to say.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: They're not just angry. There are some vehicles there that
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: if you go in, you don't get out anymore. Then
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: my company said, no, calm down, let's try to solve it. Then, okay,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: idea goes, idea comes. And my English started to get angry.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Then my company said, no, calm down, let's do this.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I started to exchange ideas with the guys. And the
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: guys said, no, calm down. Then they go, talk to
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: the president, then they come back. It was really tiring.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: I thought to myself, let's do this. I'll sign the contract.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Any problem I have, if I get two games out,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: because of the problem on my knee, I'll sign the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: rescission and leave. They said, do you really do that?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I said, yes. It took a while. They made a
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: clause and I signed the contract. I didn't have any problem.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: But didn't you get scared? No, because this change was
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: from Arsenal. I had an injury there. So I always played.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I never had a problem. I never left the game
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: because of that. How many professional players play today that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: are 100% fit? None. And how was the first game,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: the adaptation?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Turkey was a faster adaptation.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: It's like Brazil, right? Football. It was a fast adaptation.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: The time I stayed there, I was happy too. How
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: long did you stay there? A year and a half too. Great.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Because now it's the moment I wanted. Brother, you were
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: in Turkey, and we were already following you. I'm a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: big fan of Corinthians. We always came here on your holidays.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: You came here to the arena to watch a game.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: How was that in your heart? I've lived my career
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: in Europe. I'm not saying you're ending your career, but
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: we're in the third final, maybe. How was that desire?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I want to play in the team I support. But,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, a lot of problems with the management,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of things. How was Corinthians' thing appearing in
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: your life? And you say, I'm going to Corinthians, I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: want this for myself. Because one thing is to support,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: another thing is to work. I was away for a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: long time, I was 16 years old. And that's what
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I said at the beginning, my mom always said, you
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: have to come live here, get a team here for
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: you to play. And I said, calm down, mom, it's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: not the time yet, but this moment will come. Now
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: you're 16 years old.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: This moment will come.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: And then, after a year at Besiktas, I called my
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: employer and said, I think it's enough for me here
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: in Turkey. And I didn't even talk about Brazil, I said,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's enough for me in Turkey, I think
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I want to leave here.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Why this feeling?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I wanted to leave. And then
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: my employer said, where are you going? Are you going
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: to Parabia? I thought that if something appeared in Arabia,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I would go. And some things appeared, but then I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: thought I would go back to Brazil. I also started
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: to feel that because my mother has a health problem.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: It was right at the beginning, my brothers always reported something,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: they said that my mother was strange. And we were like, man,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: you don't want to believe that there's a problem in
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: the family, right? You don't want to believe it. And
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: that's it, I started to do the exam on her
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: and she has dementia and such. So, for us, it
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: was a shock, right, man? We were really upset. It's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: time to be close, right? And that really moved me.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: I said, man, I thank football a lot. Football changed
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: my life, changed the life of my family, right? I'm
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: very grateful to the guys here in Europe, but it
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: was time for me to come back to Brazil. And then,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: of course, some news came out that I wanted to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: come back to Brazil, and other clubs started looking for me.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: The Grêmio itself made a very good proposal for me.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: And at the time, Mano Menezes was the coach. He
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: even wanted to call me and talk to me. So
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm not going to talk to him. Thank him.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Because you're blackmailing him. You're blackmailing him on the phone.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: I said, thank you, Mano, the people from the board.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: The proposal is very good. Thank you. But I want
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: to go back. If I go back to Brazil, I
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: want to go to Corinthians.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: And there was no conversation with Corinthians?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: Zero.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: What is this? And you know that you close the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: door with 19 clubs and say, I want to play there.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: What's the chance for Corinthians to say that?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's it.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: If you want to play here, many people want to.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And then the news came out that Gabriel was from
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Corinthians and wanted to play there. And then it all started.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: And then came Mateus, who helped me a lot. He
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: works with Fabinho, who was in Corinthians at the time.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: And then I changed my mind with Fabinho and Renan.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: When I started talking to Renan, I was hurt. I
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: told him to try to recover faster, so we could
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: talk again. I even told my boss to take me
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: to Corinthians because I was there. I was going to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: recover there and play there. You were crazy to come.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I was crazy to come. There was this problem with Corinthians,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: which has improved thanks to God. And then I found
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: out that Fabinho was leaving. I said, damn, my chance
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: is gone. Another guy is coming, another director is not
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: even there. And then I came at the end of
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the year. And Fabinho invites me to his festival game
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: here in São Caetano. And I'm going there to exchange
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: ideas with him. I said, I'm leaving, but I left
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: everything armed in Corinthians. I think you're going. And then
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: he said, but your salary can't be paid. I said, man,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: how much can you pay there? He said, so much.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I said, it took a while, so let's go. And then, okay,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: then the problem of my mother also helped me to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: return to Brazil. Then I heard the proposal from Corinthians.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Then we, of course, there are the negotiations, right? I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: also tried to give a.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because me being a Corinthians fan, knowing that you're
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: a Corinthians fan and you're crazy to come and play,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: I said, we have two Traquinas and one Suco. Then
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I said, help your dad too, he's already 35 and stuff,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: you have to save another one. Then we reach an agreement,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: and then, look at this madness. I reach an agreement
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: with Corinthians. Then I said, okay. It's like Chiquinha when
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: she bought a product to be raffled and go to Acapulco.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Do you remember this episode? Yes, I remember. It was
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: me like that. I hit with Corinthians and said, now
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I have to meet with Besiktas. Wow! You hadn't resented!
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: You're crazy!
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: No, but Corinthians knew. Oh, okay. Corinthians knew. This is crazy, because... No,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: but if the Turks know that you were doing this... No,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: but then the Turks... I went to exchange ideas with
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: the guys. But it was crazy. I went to exchange
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: ideas with the guys and told them. I said, look,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: there's this situation of my mother here. Then I even
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: told them, there's no club yet. Because... When I talked
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: to the guys, I was talking to Corinthians. I said,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: there's no club. But I can't play here anymore. I can't.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: My head only thinks about my family. I can't anymore.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Did you explain your mother's conditions? I did. They understood
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: a lot. They were crazy about me. And then they said, okay.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: And we were in another city in a pre-season. It
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: was the end of the year. We stopped, we introduced
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: ourselves and did a pre-season. So we were.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: Out.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: And then they understood. They said, okay, we rescinded your
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: contract and everything is fine. And I said, I don't
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: even want what was left behind, we got back together
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: in friendship and everything is fine. Then it worked out,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I came to Brazil. But then too, before signing with
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Corinthians to have another contract, the businessman also said, bro,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: it's a risk, because if you get to Corinthians and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: make some changes too, you run out of contracts.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Then I said, bro, let's go, trust me, it will
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: work out. And then my manager said, bro, be careful,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: and if something happens, of course we have to have
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: positive thinking, but... The doctor appears there and says, this
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: can't be played. It's in his role. Then I said, no, bro,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: it's going to work, let's go. And then I come
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: to Corinthians here, I do the exams and everything works out.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: All right. Thank God. But I wanted to know, in
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: this half-time that you were getting it right, and then
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the guys started to ventilate, Gabriel, are you coming to Corinthians?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Are you negotiating? And then I saw a lot of
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: people saying, but 35 years, no, you won't make it,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: you don't have more legs, I don't know what. How
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: did that come to you or not? And if it came,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: how did it hit your person? Like, these guys don't know,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: how was it? I want to know. Man, that's enough.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: There's no way, right? The family... You get sad, right?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Because you say, man, I dedicate myself a lot, I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: train a lot, and the guys don't know what I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: do in my day-to-day life. Doesn't it give the impression
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: that people talk just for... For talking, for clicking there,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: for being live... Because they're not actually talking because they're
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: following and analyzing you and your football. They look at
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: the thing and say, ah, 35 years old, it's old. So,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of people analyze it because of the age,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I think the athlete no longer yields. But what makes
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: me sadder is when I see some former athletes saying that.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: And the guys, pô, lived, lived this, lived and knows
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: how it works. And the guys say things like that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: and leave the athlete in sad activity.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: But I never.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Said anything too. I said, I'll go, I don't need
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: to say, my answer is from the field, man. That's
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: my answer. And I believe I'm giving a good answer
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: to everyone. You're crazy, man. You don't even need to
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: say it. And things are happening, man. I'm too happy.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the game against Flamengo, we're
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: going to talk about all the games, but I want
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: to know. What's the coolest thing about wearing the shirt
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: of the team you support? Without being the game. What's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: the craziest thing about going to Corinthians? Going to Gramado,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I imagine. But apart from the game, what's the craziest
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: thing about making your dream come true? There's a story
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: behind it. I don't know if you've heard about my brother.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: He was from Corinthians, he was one of the lions.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Was he a big fan? He had a lion on
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: his back. Wow, awesome. Was he? He had a hawk
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: on his back and he always talked to me. I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: was a kid and he always talked about Corinthians. That's
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: when I started to watch Corinthians matches. And that started
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: to transmit something inside me. I said, man, it's Corinthians.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Here it's Corinthians and that's it. So I started to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: follow Corinthians. I started to go to Corinthians matches. So...
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: And of course, when you're a kid, you also... You
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: dream of being a soccer player, playing in Coringão and
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: so on. And then, as things happened in my life,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: I went to Vitória and I said, man, I have
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: to play in Coringão one day, I have to make
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: this dream come true. Is this almost a spiritual gift
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: for your brother? Yeah, man, I always say that he
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: tried to be a soccer player. And that's what I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: said at the beginning, opportunities. He never had them and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: ended up going to the crime world. He went to
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: the crime world and what happened happened. And I always
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: had that, that I fulfilled his dream. You know, to
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: be a professional athlete first, to fulfill his dream. And
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: playing for Corinthians, then, is something special, something that... There's
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: no way. I think about him in every training session,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: every game. I look at every bench and it seems
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: like I'm seeing him. It's crazy. So, I think it
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: was a way for you to connect with him again,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: with your family, with all of that. I think with
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: all of your mother's issues too. I think it's... I
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: understand everything. The symbolism of playing for Corinthians for you.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: It's not just about cheering and liking it. There's a
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: lot going on, I think everyone who's a Corinthians fan,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: it's not just, ah, I like the black and white team, no, no,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: there's a lot going on, it's my family, it's my mom,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: it's my dad, it's my daughter, so I'm understanding, brother,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: it's very beautiful, this thing, and it kind of looks
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: like it's a story written by God, you know? I
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: really believe in that. God prepares everything. Sometimes we want
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: to overdo it, we want to think it's our way,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: our time, but it's not. It's all in His time. Obviously,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: I don't want to put the tragedy that happened to
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: your brother, like, this had to happen for you to
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: become a player. I don't believe in that, but I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: believe that what happened From what you're saying, I think
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: it was your biggest strength to become a player, you know?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Because there was no base, there was no structure, there
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: was nothing. Suddenly, in the victory of Bahia, you know?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: So I think... Do you think I'm wrong? No, man.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: It's something else, right? It's the story of my parents' lives.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Because I really didn't have difficulties with my parents and
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: my older brothers. They lived in the favela, they lived
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: in wooden houses, they were hungry. You were the youngest, right?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: That's right. So when I was born, things were already
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: better in my parents' lives. So they suffered a lot.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: And my mother always told the stories. I said, I
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: have to change the lives of my parents, of my family, man.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I have to do something. And things happened. So I
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: always say, it's the realization of a dream, his dream,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: it's too gratifying. Brother, and from the bottom of my heart, you,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I said this to Matheusinho too, I feel it, Matheusinho
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: gives a lot of race in the game. We feel
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: that you love us there, you know? Because that's what
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, the will, we feel it, bro. You know?
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: The glassy look on the ball, I think that's really cool.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: And do you remember your debut goal? What a day!
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I think there was no better match. It was the
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: final and scoring the first goal in front of Flamengo,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: that power that is Flamengo. And of course, everyone was
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: against it. Only the Corinthians. Only us. I even joke
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: with some friends who root for other teams. They say,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: we really root for them. I say, we don't need
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: anyone to root for us, because it's too much already.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: We don't need it anymore. If it's you guys, it's
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: to see if it's us. But isn't it.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: Good to have this vibe that everyone roots for? The
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: Corinthians have this thing, like, man, that's it, right?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: I like to win stolen. Sorry.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: But this goal was a hand-to-hand match. If it was
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: on top of Palmeiras, I'd be like... I'd be like
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: a super saiyan. I see. But, bro, I want to
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: tell you... We talked about... I joked about your goal.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Because that final with Palmeiras... That final with Flamengo was...
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I think it was really great. I think the championship itself...
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: I think there are bigger championships. Were you there? No,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't go to the Brazilian championship. There are bigger,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: more expressive championships. But I think what happened there was like...
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: It was kind of a fight of fans, right? Like,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: let's play a half-and-half game, the two biggest fans in Brazil,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Corinthians and Flamengo. But I only heard one sing. And
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: then I don't know if it was with the problem
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: with the transmission there, I don't know. But I wanted
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: to know for you how it was to see this.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: The stadium divided in half-and-half.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: How many buzzers? More than 40, man.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: More, more, more.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: It was more, it was 200 buzzers. You know?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: Crazy. How was it for you to look at Brasília
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: and feel São Paulo?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: You said that maybe there was a problem with the broadcast.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I think there was a problem at the stadium too.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: There was a problem there, or the guys put a
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: curtain there and... It was just Coringão, just Coringão. Were
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: you guys very willing to play because of that? It
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: looked like I was playing in the arena, man. So
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: we were really comfortable. And we played exactly a final,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: you know? Because in the final you don't have to
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: play nice, you have to win. There's no story. So,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: that's what we did. Although, in my opinion, we were
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: way better than them. I think so too. Way better.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: In the vestiário, was it like, bro, the important thing
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: is to win, let's go up, break everything?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: In the final, bro, in the vestiário, that's what they say.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: It's the final, we have to win the game. It
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter how, we're going to win. And we were
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: way better than them. And we really deserved it. I
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: even joked with Yuri, I said, damn, that goal was forbidden.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I'm the one who scored the title goal. It wasn't me.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: That goal also gave me a relief from Yuri. My God, man.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: It was... You know, that little ball from Paquetá at
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: the end. But anyway, champions. My brother, I want to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: talk to you about Fernando Diniz. I see that he
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: is a guy that... Everyone I see who worked with him,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: even those who didn't work with him, talk very well
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: about him, the players. But it's very crazy, right? the
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: media says the opposite of him. But there comes a
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: guy that all players say, no, this guy understands me.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: What does Fernando Diniz have different, brother? Why do players
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: like to work with this guy so much? Man, first
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I'll even talk about when Dorival left, I got to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: his room and talked to him. I thanked him for
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: the opportunity, because he was also one of the guys
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: who helped me come to Corinthians. So I really thank
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Dorival Lucas, who is his son. They were the guys
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: who gave me the opportunity to make this dream come.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: True.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And Diniz, man, Diniz is crazy life. He's crazy life.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: He's Corinthians, he's really Corinthians. And when he arrives, I
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: came from two or three games that weren't so good.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: and says, you're going to play with me. This already
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: changes everything, right? Of course. He already gives you another one. Man,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: the guy trusts me. So I'm going to do everything
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: for him. If he's going to help me, I'm going
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: to do everything for him. I'm going to kill him
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: on the field. I already do. Because Corinthians, imagine... A
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: coach who gives you confidence. And he already said that
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: to me. And not only to me, but to other
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: players too. And I think it's clear, right?
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: It shows.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Garro. Garro went back to what he was. You know? So...
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: He gives a lot of morale to Yuri too. He's
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: a guy who suffered a lot. And today he's enjoying
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: soccer again, right? Mateuzinho, he always says, Mateuzinho deserves the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: national team. Bidu deserves the national team. Bidon... So, he
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: transmits a lot of good things, a different energy inside
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: the locker room. What I think is the craziest about him,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: about Diniz, brother, is that, for example, I'm very involved
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: with sports, now I'm training more and such, and there's
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: a thing that is, like, when we go to the arena,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: we're going to execute what we have to execute there,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: whatever sport it is, the thing is, do what we trained.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Do what we trained. And I see that this in
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: football is something that, sometimes, like.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Man, let's put everyone inside the area, start crossing the ball,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: it's kind of... Anyway. And then I'm seeing in these
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: pauses for hydration, the camera is always there, there's a
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: microphone and such, Diniz always talking to you guys, we
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: trained this, come on, fuck if you make a mistake.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: This fuck if you make a mistake... Does it give
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: you more confidence, brother? Like, for you to execute what
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: was trained? Because for me it's very crazy, in the
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: game of Libertadores outside the house, he said, I don't
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: want to know, you're going to play like in Brazil...
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Let's cross the ball, you're going on the ground, on
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: the ground it won't work, and you make two air
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: ball goals, you know? So, this thing of him being
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: analyzing and of him trusting you to the point of,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: let's execute what we trained, does that make a difference?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: It does a lot, a lot. With me, I don't
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: know if you've seen some videos of me with him,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: discussing with him, I curse him, he curses me. But
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: it's something like that. I want it that way, it's cool.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: It's about respect, right?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: Lacking respect for him.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: Cursing with education. I think it's a cursing of being
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: all in the flesh and not saying, please, I want
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: to win. Exactly. And then, after a... I think there
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: was a game of Libertadores, it was against Penharol, I think.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: During the training, we work to make some ball touches
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: on the side, but I take the ball and turn
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: it to Gustavo. Then Gustavo returns the ball to me.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: In this one, when I send it to Gustavo, we
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: lose some time to attack. Then I look at him
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: and he also responds. Then the guys on the bench
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: start laughing. Then the next day he says, we have
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: a very good energy between you and me. He thought
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: it was cool. He liked it. He is that.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: He is that.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: So, I'll give you an example here. Maybe if it's
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: another coach, another player, they wouldn't be able to play anymore.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Ranieri gave that ball there, the goal from São Paulo
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: ended up coming out. If it was another player and
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: another coach, Ranieri wouldn't play anymore. Corinthians, in general, wouldn't
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: play anymore. São Paulo could win the game. That's what
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: he goes through. If he misses, fuck it. So the
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: team is confident in going there and looking for more.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: That's it, we missed and we kept playing. We kept playing,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: without pressure, without fear of making mistakes. The 5 goals
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: were ours, right? That's it. We gave a little emotion
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: in the game. To be Corinthians too. That's what I'm
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: noticing in Diniz, it's something really cool, because when I
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: see his interviews, he says like this, the most important
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: thing is the player's head, it's the player. So he
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: brings a concern that we talk to a lot of
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: players here, and when I always mention some coaches, they
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: don't mention names and such, but they always say that like, ah,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: coach Balajuquinha, don't even look at my face, do it
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: from behind, fuck, you're not even there for me, say
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: that here in front of me, but on the back
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: of the midfielder say something else. and I feel that
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: he is true and this thing of doing what you
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: trained you screwed up for me I gave a smile
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: when I saw him talking about it I said that's
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: it bro because here in Brazil it bothers me a
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: lot the thing of not having the time to plan
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: even to execute the Trump you know like if the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: board trusted Let's give him time to work, at least that.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Brazil has this culture, man, you can't... Man, you can
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: see Abel, Abel's been at Palmeiras for a long time,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: he's doing a good job, you know? The guy gave
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of continuity to him, gave confidence to him,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: and the guy today, man, is what he is. So
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I think Brazilian football needs that, to give more confidence
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: to the coach, to give more opportunity, to let the
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: guy work for real, you know? And that's what's happening
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: with Diniz. Of course, the results are helping us. We're
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: going to the first game with him. We only trained
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: once with him, in Argentina. It was the first game
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: of the Libertadores. What was the chat like? He said, man,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: enjoy the game. We didn't have much time, he said
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: what he wanted. He analyzed Platense and stuff. And he said, man,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. Do what you were doing with Dorival, with Ramon.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: and just add a few things that I'm going to
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: add and that's it. And it's hitting the guys. Carrilho
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: even likes it when he says, let's lick the guys
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: in the ass.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: Wow, this must be very good to hear, man.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Imagine the boss saying like this, you can go with
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: the machadada, and then the guys start to go like this.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: You can? You can really? Then let's go, man. With responsibility.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: I believe that Matheusinho took it very seriously with Palmeiras.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: He's crazy to play with two less, brother.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: He's crazy.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: And then, man, he said, first we have to defend.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: If we defend, if we don't take the goal, we're
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: going to make a goal. So, this will give you confidence,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: if you pass the game too. For the goalkeeper, we
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: prefer to finish the game 0x0. For the goalkeeper, it's always,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you take the goal. So, we
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: stayed 7 games without taking the goal. So, but this
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: is very crazy, because the guys always say like this,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: the teams of Diniz are... He does 5, but takes 8.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: He does 4, but takes 3.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: 7 games without a goal. People talk too much sometimes.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: That's what I said at the beginning. There are some
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: athletes who don't know, who lived it and still criticize it.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: There are also some people who are laymen in football,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: sometimes they give opinions that they don't really know what happens.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: They don't know the backstage, we train a lot, we
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: dedicate ourselves a lot. And Diniz is telling us that.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: First we have to defend ourselves, then we attack. So
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: we are dedicating ourselves a lot. If you see Garros
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: and Yuri, how they run. And it's not like that,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: you say seven games without scoring, you say Gabriel and
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Gustavo are great. No, man. It's not me. It's Yuri
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: and Garros. I think the defense starts there. For sure.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: It's Yuri and Garros. Then there's Ranieri, Bidon. You know,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: it's the guys there. If they don't help us, we'll
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: get beaten. But Bidon isn't going up too much. Don't
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: get mad. He's going up too much. He thinks it's Marcelo.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Leave him. I was kidding. He's playing a lot. He's
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: playing a lot. He's doing a good season. And then,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: if it's not the guys there, it's no use. You
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: can have the best players there. And Neca is doing
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: a great job. If the guys don't help, it's not
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: worth it. But the guys say Hugo only gets penalties.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: What about Hugo? He made two defense against São Paulo that...
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Only those too.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: Do you think Hugo won't go to the national team?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: I believe he will. I believe. He deserves it. There's
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: no one better than him. I think he deserves it.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: I think he will. God willing. God willing. God willing.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Gustavo and Henrique, you two are a duo. Man, Gustavo
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Henrique also does everything, bro. Go to the goal, drive
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: the bus, do knee volleyball goals. Uncle of the Piru,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: uncle of the Piru. I've already played a pass with him,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: my friend. Really? Oh, and speaking of my goal against Flamengo,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: I thought I was in Europe, I went to celebrate
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: with my knee. You scratched everything, man.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: I scratched everything, my knee.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Fuck. You know, next year there won't be a match.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: It was synthetic, right? No, it was grass, but that side,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: exactly on that side. There was only sand and it
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: was painted, so it looked like grass. If you look
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: at the pictures, I'll show you. Mateus has the picture.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: The sand going up like this. I saw one where
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: you were crying on the bench with your knee looking
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: like it was broken. It was broken like this.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: The guys were like, no, you think it's in Europe?
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Or you think it's in the sand? I was very happy.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: But I said, ah, it's useless. And Gustavão is a
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: goalkeeper of hell. He's a scorer. First we'll defend, then
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: you'll do it. Who do you fight with in the field?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: With Matheus. He's a cool kid. He thinks he's the ghetto.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: He thinks. You're from Londrina, man. Calm down. Respect, man.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: He's a cool kid. He lives too. He's very crazy.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: He lives football, he's crazy about it.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: He's always looking like a whore. He's always prepared. He
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: curses me.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: I say, Mateus, stop cursing me. He said, man, give
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: me the ball. I said, give me the ball. He said,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: but the play is on you, man. I had to
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: turn the game around. I was like, fuck it, give
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: me the ball. What a vulgar guy, man. But it's cool.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: It's good to have some crazy people like that.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I like it. The team of Evangelico annoys me. A lot,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right?
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: A lot of prayer.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: No, no. I think... There has to be, right? But
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: there has to be the vagabonds, the guys who smoke Malboro.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: There has to be the guys who go out all
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: dirty from the field.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: Who go out to the showcase. Because there has to be, Mítico.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: There has to be. There always has to be.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: If it's over, champion, where's the combo?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. If I don't let you go sometimes, can
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: it go that well? It won't. You have to let go.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: You have to let go of my boy.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: You have to let go.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: To play relaxed.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: Especially in Corinthians, you have to have some crazy lives.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right? It has to be. It combines, right?
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: Especially in Corinthians, it combines.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: It has to be.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: It has to be.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Brother, jokes aside, how do you think we're doing this year?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Do you think the fans can dream of winning big
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: titles again, like they did last year with the Brazil Cup?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: We're doing great at the Libertadores, but we're getting fooled.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: How are the plans? Man, of course we talk a
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: lot at the locker room about winning the Libertadores with Corinthians.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: It's something that will stay in the history of the club.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Especially after the last years, the problems that Corinthians went through,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: all the difficulties. And now Corinthians is coming back to
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: enjoy it again. So, of course, I think about it
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: every day. If I win the championship, I'll stop. I'll
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: play more football. You're free for me. Brother, he wins
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: the Libertadores and he can do whatever he wants. I
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: believe that the fans are dreaming. I think we even
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: dream of a button game. Corinthians is like that. They
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: are playing the button game, they want to win, they
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: want to be champions. So imagine how we now had
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: this good beginning of Libertadores. So we are dreaming and
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: more and more We're going to dream more to get
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: to November. And that's what Diniz conveys. Every game is
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: a final. In other words, what does the final do?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: It wins.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: It wins. So we have that. He doesn't let that
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: energy go down. No, a normal game. No. If he
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: sees something, he already says, like... Give me an example.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about all the games. Okay.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: The game of Penharol, we started, I think it was
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: one of the best games of ours. So far, with Diniz. Yes.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: It was one of the best matches. We could have
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: scored 3 or 4 goals in the first half. But
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: in the second half, we had to lower our level.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: The guys started to get closer to the area. That's
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: when he caught our attention. Even when we were winning,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: he was really tough. And he really swears, he's not
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: even there. But it's okay, man. You can't... A team
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: that thinks about being a champion can't lower their level.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: And depending on the team you play against, it can be...
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Respecting is scoring goals. There's nothing else to do, man.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: You have to win the game. So he transmits that.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Every game for us is a final. So... This transmits
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: the player too. The player gets... More connected. Motivated. And
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: that's it, man. Do you know if Memphis stays?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: Hey, Holandês!
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: You got it right.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: Hey, Memphis.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: Call me here, bro. Salary... Very much money. Less! Downgrade, please! Please!
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: He must be looking and saying, I'm so sorry.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, yeah, no. You have to paste it
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: here too. But I believe that these things will happen.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. I only see some news,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: but I believe that it will renew, because he really
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: likes Brazil. He's already very much identified with Corinthians, with
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: the fans, with everything. And I believe he wants a lot, right?
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: And I believe it will happen. He will renew. Is
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: it true that you called him to come to Corinthians?
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: So we played together in Atlético, right? So we sent
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: some messages and such, we exchanged some ideas. He always said, no, man,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Corinthians needs you here, a player of your style, of
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: your character, you have to come and such. Then there
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: was even one day that I said... So help me, man.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Talk to Fabinho or someone. Then I think he commented
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: to Fabinho or someone there. And he said again, the
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: thing has no money. But I only knew, man. That's
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: what everyone knows. Then when things started to happen, I
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: called him again. I said, help me, because things are happening.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: But it does help. It's not like they say, hire
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: this player. No, we know that. Helping is the same.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: It always happens to me. The directors come to me,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: not from Corinthians, but from other clubs, and ask some players,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: how is this player? We already know the football, but
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: we want to know the extra, the field, even inside
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: the locker room and such. So it's in this help
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: that we... He's a cool kid, soft, good behavior. He's
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: a group player and such, so.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: That's it. Since he already knew me, I believe he
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: passed it on to Corinthians and helped me a lot,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: so I came here.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: Man, I'm dreaming, Mítico Jove. You're excited, right? Yes, I'm dreaming.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: You're just dreaming. I don't remember such an invincibility at Libertadores.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Last time, I won't even say it, but people know. So,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: that's it, man. I'm happy, I'm excited. Brasileirão is full,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: everyone has 18 points. Brasileirão is a million. Brasileirão, of
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: all the national championships you've played, Brasileirão is the most difficult?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: The most competitive. Because if you take the Premier League,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: you take six teams that can be champions. La Liga,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: all three. There's no other. Germany, Bayern Munich wins 10,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: then Borussia Dortmund wins 1. And that's how it goes.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Brazil has 15 teams that can be champions. It's true.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: And you'll say, but Cruzeiro is big, Galo... All the
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: teams are big. It's crazy. We have 18 points today, right?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: I think Bahia, Atlético, Paraná... I think from the 17th
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: to the 7th, everyone has 18 points. Really? I think
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: it's Bahia. Bahia is in 5th or 6th, I don't know,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: and they have 22 points. I think it's something like that.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not too far.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: In a round, a lot of things can happen.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: But of course, we have to start scoring, because the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Brazilian has a lot of good teams. And he's a
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: bit of a traitor, because every game is worth the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: same thing. So you have to have a very good head.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Of course, the Libertadores is a dream, but... We can't
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: let the Brazilian Championship go to waste. We'll be in
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: the finals of the Libertadores. We'll be close to the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: relegation zone. We won't play easily. We have a good squad.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: We can compete in all competitions. I believe we're adapting
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: to this with Diniz. It's a very good adaptation. It's
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: growing more and more. I believe we'll get far in
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: the Brazilian Championship. And at the Libertadores da Copa do Brasil,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: we're going to fight. I like that. Gabriel, I have
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: some questions for you to answer in a faster way.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Can I? Let's go. The toughest striker you've ever faced?
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: Diego Costa. The toughest striker you've ever faced and put
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: in your pocket? This day I was a monster. I
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: think it was Sunday, guys. Sorry guys, we played against
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: them in Spain, but... We practiced soccer on Sunday, there
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: was no way. Player that you liked the most to kick? Soares.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: Attacker that you most wanted to face? Wow, I wanted
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: to play against this guy. Against him... The guy has
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: already faced everyone. I got Real Madrid's trio, Barça' s trio, Messi, Suárez...
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Which one was the hardest? Oh, no, Barça' s.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: Barça' s.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Really? Messi, Suárez and Neymar. Neymar couldn't do it, right?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: I played for Arsenal. It was the Champions League quarter-finals. No, no.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: You didn't need to. You know, we just went there, right?
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: And then we came back. Natural or synthetic grass? Natural.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: How much do you wear? On the knee, right? Yeah. 41.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: Do Messi have to give the Argentina 10 to the Garra?
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Of course he does, Gabriel. Rodrigo, brother. He had to
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: go to the Cup, what do you think? Of course
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: he has to go. He's enjoying it. He has to go. Messi,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: the 10 is for the Garra, man. Everyone knows. No,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: the 8. The 8 is good. The most striking goal?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: At the end of the Super Cup. Holy shit. Camisa
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: branca ou listrada? Listrada. Também. Isso é nóis, caralho. Três
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: melhores zagueiros que você viu jogar? Thiago Silva. Pepe e
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Sérgio Ramos. Credo. Não toma gol e só fratura nos atacantes.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: Torcida mais difícil que você enfrentou? Do Galatasaray. Atacante mais
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: chato do Brasileirão? Chato é o Caleri.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: Chato.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: É argentino o negócio da porrada, mas ele tomou porrada. Tomou?
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Tá bom. Chegar atrasado em casa ou no treino? No treino.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Em casa é pior, né? Tomar a esposa ou do Diniz?
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Do Diniz. Diniz dá pra xingar, né? Diniz dá pra devolver.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Dá pra levar uma. Maior loucura vivida como torcedor? Have
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: you ever been to the game of the hidden Corinthians?
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: It's a short story. You can tell. My brother, Marcão,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: worked as a referee for Pirua, there in Leme, a
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: little place there. And then I came once and said, Marcão,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: get some money for me, I'm going to play ball
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: there with some friends. And he said, but where? I said, there, bro,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: in the field and such. But I need some money there.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: And at the time the ticket was cheap, right? He
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: gave me a 10. I went to Morumbi to watch Corinthians. Wow.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: I don't remember who, but I watched a game of Corinthians.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Of 3-0. You won or lost Corinthians?
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: We won.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: And then he found out. Dude, I'm going to catch you.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: You're the mother of this game of Corinthians, man. Are
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: you crazy?
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: It's over.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: That was it. Very good. Who is the most reviewed Corinthians?
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: Most reviewed? Ah, there's Carrilho. O Papi. O Papi. O
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: Papi é resenha. Let me see. Yuri too. Who dresses
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: the worst? Bidu. Bidu is always him, bro. Bidu can't
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: do it, bro. Does he ruin it? Bidu is good people. Done.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: To finish, Gabriel Paulista, the worst fan is? No words.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: I don't have anything to say about these guys. They're crazy.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: These guys are different. Very different. Do you feel that
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: Corinthians fans score goals? Also this thing of singing all
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: the time, even when they score, they cover the goal
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: of the guys singing even more. Do you feel that
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: they really enter the field? It's crazy when we score
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: a goal. It seems that we scored the goal. The
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: guys sing louder, bro. And that's what I said, that's
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: what gives you... Gas, right? Gas, something that you're... You
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: can't take it anymore. In 90 minutes, you're already dead.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: The guys start singing. You start to feel the energy.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: You don't know where it's coming from. The guys are different.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: You're crazy. No words. The guys, no.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: Us, right?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: Because I'm a fan too. Us is different. Wow, man.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: I'm very happy.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: I know. It's visible.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: You're kicking your feet. I'm radiant.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: I'm radiant.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: Corinthians, that's it.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Did you like today's chat, brother? You're crazy. I think
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: there's still time, because there's a lot of stories to
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: tell you, a lot of things that I've lived.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: Win the Libertadores, then.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: But... No, thank you for the opportunity. There's a gift,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: his team is saying, there's a gift. Bring it, bring it,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: bring it, that's it. And the new, mythical young. This
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: is from the game. This is from the game? This
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: is from the game.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: Damn!
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: One is from the game against São Paulo.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: It's very different, isn't it? The player's shirt is different.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: And this one was from Liberta. This was from Santa Fe.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: And we were still with Credo. Then you sign it
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: for us, brother? Of course. No, that's not it.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: This one will hang.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: Are you crazy, brother? I entered this one, I think,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: at 11 years old. No, seriously, who wants this one?
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Look at the weight. But it's the model too, right?
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: It's G.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: It doesn't weigh anything. Look at this one, man. It's absurd.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: Do you have that shirt over there?
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: No, that one over.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: There.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: That old one. Bro, your team prepared a gift for you.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: I want to know if you... Sorry. I want to
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: know if you... will like this shirt here. What about
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: this one, Gabriel Paulista? This one is crazy, it reminds
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: me of a lot of things. This one is for you.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Take it. Man, this one is.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: Special.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Too special. I can't remember my brother. Was this the
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: one they used, bro? I took this one out of
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: my body, man. Man, thank you. What a presentation. Man,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: it was your team that prepared this moment with us. Man,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: you guys are awesome. We're together, brother. I think this
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: is to crown all your trajectory, crown all this talk here.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: I think people are getting to know you a little
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: more today. And your story is very beautiful, bro. Like,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: I think what you're doing is something I wanted to do.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: You know? Or what several friends of mine dreamed of doing.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: So I'm very happy for you to be doing it.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: From the heart, really, bro. And a lot for your
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: brother too, Risadinha. Thank you. It's us, bro. For real,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: to stay eternal here. Thank you for the opportunity. We're together, huh?
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you, brother. Congratulations.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: Thanks, brother. We killed a man in the end, brother.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: Is there another one? Is there something here? I didn't see.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: What is this? More little things?
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: Ah, it's a picture of his brother with the shirt.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: What a key.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: What a key. Leave it here. Leave it here. Then
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: he keeps it with a lot of care. Thank you, brother.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: That's it, my brother. Did you like to exchange this
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: idea with us? It's really cool. It's a huge satisfaction
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: to be here with you and exchange these ideas. For
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: people to know a little more about my story. Very cool, Gabriel. Really,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: we'll see each other a lot and celebrate a lot.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: We'll have to come back here at the end of
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: the year, telling the stories of champions, if God wills it.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: Amen. Wow, last year you made a nice joke here, right,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Mítico Java? We did it. We did it. If I
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: did it, you did it.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: And vice versa.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: If you liked it, leave your like, subscribe to the channel,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: follow Gabriel Paulista on all social networks, they will be
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: there in the description, right? Follow him, go to the games.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: He's signing our t-shirts for us to put there in
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  Speaker 1: our mural, which is getting.
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  Speaker 3: Heavier and heavier.
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  Speaker 1: This one is very crazy. This is crazy, it's A3.
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  Speaker 1: My God, Mítico. No, stay in peace, brother. Stay in peace.
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  Speaker 1: You have moral with us too much. So that's it,
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  Speaker 1: Mítico Jovem, do your honors.
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  Speaker 3: We're together. Saturday we have Liga X1.
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  Speaker 1: It's the penultimate round. A lot of soccer. Is it
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Lucaneta vs. Ju Canalha?
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  Speaker 5: The stick is going to break. The stick is going
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