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- 0:00It's thirty eight. All bills can win in here, Wake puts it down.
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- 1:22special Wednesday edition of Disguised Coverage. Normally the cover one film Room is here
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- 2:06are there. In this episode of Disguise Coverage hosted by myself Anthony Prohaska,
- 2:12find me on Twitter at pro Underscore Underscore, and we will be diving into
- 2:16one of the favorite, maybe not so favorite pastimes for Bills fans and the
- 2:21Buffalo Bills. It is Chiefs Week here on this show, but a little
- 2:24bit of a different feel with how the Bills come into this game and how
- 2:27the Chiefs come into this game. So we'll be diving into anything and everything
- 2:31related to that game and the first portion of the show, the x's and
- 2:34O scheme and structure, personnel groupings, anything and everything that will matter in
- 2:38terms of breaking down how and why this game or the house and why is
- 2:42behind the what's of how this game will be decided, and then the back
- 2:45end we're going to dive into some questions from the live chat and some other
- 2:47topics specifically related to the Buffalo Bills moving forward and all that. But without
- 2:53further ado, first part of the show, like I said, talking Bills,
- 2:55talking Chiefs, the matchups, the pieces, and I brought back a
- 2:59regular for that week. I think it's the last twos. I think the
- 3:04last three times the Bills have played the Chiefs. This next person coming on
- 3:07has been my guest. I hate him, can't stand him. He's a
- 3:09horrible person, don't like his analysis, don't really like his face. But
- 3:15you know you got to dance with the girl that probably, And without further
- 3:17ado, I bring to the stage Matt Lane from Casey Sports Network. In
- 3:23all seriousness, you are one of my favorite people. I love every time
- 3:25you come on the show. I enjoy dming with you. You know,
- 3:29we talk a lot come draft time. You're just a good old dude and
- 3:30I enjoy hanging out with you. And I appreciate your schedule to accommodate me
- 3:36for this week, and yeah, I wish we didn't have to always talk
- 3:39in such a high stressful, high leverage week, but nonetheless, here we
- 3:44are, and I appreciate you taking the time and welcome to the show.
- 3:46Oh, I mean, hey one, thanks for having me back. Dude,
- 3:50you brought me on and I forgot i'd accidentally muted myself. Must talking.
- 3:53You're being mean, You're being so mean, you're hurting my feelings,
- 3:55and so you know, you turned it around. But I did see that
- 3:58you muted yourself, and I was like, is he to realize or am
- 4:00I gonna tell him? Then you realize on your own. I was like,
- 4:01oh, he did it, well done. Yeah, no, I
- 4:02got there. You know. It's it's a tradition for me to mute myself
- 4:05and forget about it when I'm recording. I do anytime i'm with Like when
- 4:09I do the film with Eric, I always mute myself when he's speaking,
- 4:13like I'll take a drink of water if I cough. I forget all the
- 4:15time and I'll have a good point. He's like, you're on mute,
- 4:16brother, and I'm like, damn it. Yeah, I got an old
- 4:19house, I got kids that run around dogs, like it gets loud,
- 4:23so I mute myself a lot. I forget, I forget it frequently.
- 4:26But no, I'm happy to be back. You know, it's always we
- 4:29say, it's always fun. The Chiefs have lost what the last two in
- 4:31the last three that I've been on here, you know, so like,
- 4:34yeah, but not the onest's play The playoffs are the ones that matter.
- 4:36And listen, yeah, yeah that one, you know that that one was
- 4:41a good one from my side of the year. That was stupid. So
- 4:46but yeah, no, anyway, I'm happy to come back. This is
- 4:47one of my favorite favorite shows that get to come on to you, get
- 4:49a talk fall with you. I love to sit here and get to do
- 4:53it. So I'm excited. I'm excited for this. Yeah, you mentioned
- 4:57the stakes. There's definitely steaks, but they're different. They feel it entirely
- 5:00different than years past. Usually it's like, yeah, here's a good matchup.
- 5:02Realistically, we're both gonna play again later. Though, this one just
- 5:05feels a tiny bit different. Huhuh. Yeah, it's you know, last
- 5:10year we went into the Bills Chiefs week talking about, yeah, like how
- 5:15important this game would be for playoff seating, and then talking about like I
- 5:18remember your big question to me was like, if the Bills win this game,
- 5:21how confident do you feel this means like things change going forward. I
- 5:25was like, no, it's still has to be done in the playoffs.
- 5:27And we were just very much like looking forward in like an anticipatory fashion,
- 5:32thinking like, well, they're going to be a gain in the playoffs and
- 5:33we'll see what happened. And it did not work out for the Buffalo Bills.
- 5:36They got housed by the Cincinnati Bengals in the division round of the playoffs.
- 5:41And you know, with that feel like it's obviously different from a Bill's
- 5:44perspective, like they're sitting here at six and six and this is a game
- 5:46that isn't about playoffs seating. This is a game for them just thinking like
- 5:49we have to win and stay alive for the playoff race because they have dug
- 5:53themselves not a huge hole, but definitely less than ideal hole sitting there at
- 5:58six and six. But the Chiefs come into this game at eight and four,
- 6:02coming off I'll say, like an ugly loss against a Green Bay Packers
- 6:05team that has suddenly gotten hot, you know, you know, to to
- 6:09their credit, but give me a state of the Kansas City Chiefs coming into
- 6:13this game right now. You know, there's been their defense has been playing
- 6:15well. The offense has had their issues and struggles and ups and downs.
- 6:19But you know, again, coming off of a loss that I think may
- 6:21have been surprising to most from my national perspective, maybe from a Chiefs perspective
- 6:26as well. Just give me the current state of the Kansas City Chiefs coming
- 6:29into this game. Yeah, that's I don't want to say it's a hard
- 6:32spot because at the end of the day, the Chiefs are still the raigning
- 6:35Super Bowl champions. They still have Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey
- 6:41and realistically, besides the Packers game, the defense has been phenomenal this year
- 6:45and so it's hard to say you feel really bad about them. But at
- 6:48the same time, over the past six years now, we have seen an
- 6:51offense it's just flying, it's doing everything they can do whenever they want.
- 6:56You always have one hundred percent confidence they're gonna win the game. That's not
- 7:00there amongst fans this year. Like there's been multiple games now where the Chiefs
- 7:03have had the ball at the end of the game, would they chance to
- 7:06go in and they haven't, and they really start starting from Week one against
- 7:10the Lions, Lions, Broncos, uh, last week the Packers now Eagles
- 7:16even but now, okay, this gets you to the bigger point. Two
- 7:19of those games, three of those games have involved drops on the final drive
- 7:24from wide receivers that kind of hit them right where they needed to right.
- 7:26So like, there's definitely there's definitely some issues going on there with the receivers.
- 7:31Like I guess, ultimately that's gonna overshadow everything. This offense just looks
- 7:34clunky. It's not the offense we are used to seeing. So we hope
- 7:40there's hope that you get back to it. But man, it's it's been
- 7:43a tough ride for the Chiefs, Chiefs fans to watch this offense operate the
- 7:46way it has this year, even though the defense has obviously been fantastic.
- 7:50So that's one of like my and it the tin and one of my points
- 7:54later like what Kansas City, I've always had somewhat of then affinity for the
- 7:59chief defense with what Steve Spagnolo has done, Like he's just been one of
- 8:03those guys. It doesn't matter in the Chiefs defense usually statistically is fine enough
- 8:09find a good but even when they're like poor, you just know, come
- 8:11playoff time or come big gay moments, like he coaches well, like you
- 8:15know, if you're in some third down in the playoffs, he's gonna bring
- 8:18something like sketchy. He's gonna bring some designer that you haven't seen. And
- 8:22I really put him in there with it. Those like those veteran coaches on
- 8:26that side of the ball that can kind of like own their silo that allows
- 8:31you know, Andy Reid I always you know, juxtaposed that the Chiefs and
- 8:33Bengals, and really because they've been like the top two teams in the AFC
- 8:37the past couple of years. But you know, with the Chiefs, you've
- 8:39got Andy Reid and he's able to run that offensive side of the ball and
- 8:41he oversees everything. But knowing that you've got a Steve Spagnolo on the defensive
- 8:45side, knowing that he can kind of police everything himself, similar to what
- 8:48Zach Taylor does with Cincinnati. Like Zach Taylor runs the offense and he's got
- 8:52lou An Arumo on the other side. And it's funny how those two coaches
- 8:56with Spagnolo and Rumo. I also put them in that same category of big
- 9:01games, big moments, like you know that they are coming for you,
- 9:03and especially like at the end of the year or especially in the playoffs,
- 9:07they know who you are to offensively, they know how to amplify your weaknesses
- 9:11and mitigate your strengths. And this year, you know what Spagnolo has done.
- 9:16It's not just being seen in a big game fashion, just more of
- 9:18like a regular statistical fashion, Like the Chiefs have been one of the best
- 9:22defenses week in and week out, like in the NFL, and it's funny
- 9:26to sit there and think that and know that, like, well, the
- 9:28offense has kind of held this team back because you'd be like that, that
- 9:31doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that's exactly it. Every year, the
- 9:35defense starts out and does whatever it does, and you know, come December,
- 9:39come playoff time, Steve Spagnolo is at the very minimum, gonna have
- 9:43the situational stuff on point. There's gonna be fantastic third down plays. He's
- 9:46gonna bring pressures that you can't see, make late rotations that you don't expect,
- 9:50and that's shown up in the playoffs. That's a big part of how
- 9:54they've won these two Super Bowls. How they're stay so consistently good is because
- 9:58of what he does down the stretch this year, after you know, they've
- 10:01invested in defense over and over again, he's finally, I think, got
- 10:05enough really high caliber players on the defensive side. And hey, they're very
- 10:07young. So that's two thumbs up there that he can I think, not
- 10:11just design stuff up. He can run a relatively I don't want to say
- 10:15basics. His defense isn't basic, but the basic defensive calls right now are
- 10:18still excellent because they have the guys that can go out there and win.
- 10:22Chris Jones can still go win. The entire secondary can shut guys down on
- 10:26just a typical first and ten if you want to drop back and throw the
- 10:28ball, and that hasn't always been the case. So that's really opened up
- 10:33a lot of doors on the defensive side of the ball. And up until
- 10:35this Packers game in which I shout out, you know, lafloor, he
- 10:39he threw everything and the kitchen scene get that defense. And as soon as
- 10:41the Chiefs lost their second Mike linebacker, like they just had a really difficult
- 10:46time kind of deciphering it, getting their calls in and like ever just getting
- 10:50a leg up. But the defense has been great. I would imagine it'll
- 10:52continue to be good. This week sounds like hopefully Nick Bolton is going to
- 10:56be back, and that's just going to help immediately. It's gonna help immediately
- 11:01with the with the calls not to have a third string linebacker in there.
- 11:03So we will see how the defense responds. They've been so good this year.
- 11:07And then the offense. It's just the hard part of the offense is
- 11:11it's really hard to foresee where they're going. It's hard to see where exactly
- 11:15it's gonna get better. It seems like they're kind of treading water on the
- 11:18offensive side, waiting for Mahomes to go into a superhero mode to save them,
- 11:24and we just haven't got it yet, and so it's been frustrating.
- 11:26I don't know if worries sim is the right word yet, but very frustrating
- 11:30so far. Yeah, it's just like all I think of all those like
- 11:33proverbial phrases like sluggish or like stuck in neutral or can't get out of its
- 11:37own way type of thing, and not to give like a blanket all or
- 11:41cure all statement or answer. But I feel like drops have been such a
- 11:43huge part of it. Like if you literally, if you change I don't
- 11:48know, like three or four drops throughout the entire course of the season,
- 11:52this team is sitting there, I don't know, like ten and two potentially.
- 11:56Like if you just change the MBS drop against the Eagles, that right
- 11:58now there, in and of itself is probably a win. Then there's a
- 12:01couple on that Lions game, Like I mean Kadarius Tony had like twenty four
- 12:05drops in that game. If you just change the right the pick six was
- 12:09the big one there, right, the gods that that went off as yeah,
- 12:11yeah, so you pull that one out, even make it in complete,
- 12:15you pull that one out, that might be a win. But I
- 12:16can't even guarantee that one. But then you have Sky Moore in the Broncos
- 12:20game where it's kind of a drop. He kind of loses it in the
- 12:22lights, but like it's a ball that you got to catch. You have
- 12:24mvs. Versus, Like you can change just three of their league leading drops.
- 12:28I believe they were at least they were going into last week. You
- 12:31could just change three of those and you can flip three games potentially to wins.
- 12:35Like that's been a huge issue. But then still when you watch them,
- 12:39yeah, that's an issue, but there's so much more behind the curtain
- 12:41that's like that's part of the problem. It's just like you said, it
- 12:45seems like they're stuck in neutral and these past couple of weeks they figured out
- 12:48a little bit. Quit running routes and just throw a bunch of screens seems
- 12:52to be their answer. And like, hey, it's it's equated to better
- 12:54offensive performance the past two weeks. It's just still, where does that go
- 12:58for the long term? So like drops issue number one? Issue number two
- 13:01is Okay, what else do you have besides the screen game or the quick
- 13:05passing game? And like that's what we're all kind of waiting to see.
- 13:09Now, did it the struggles for the offense this year? How surprising has
- 13:13it been for you? Like and to ty in my perspective with it,
- 13:18Like last year when they traded Tyreek Hill, I wasn't really anticipating a huge
- 13:22drop off, Like I between my own research and then listening to people who
- 13:26I trust, the Chiefs had already started moving in a direction at the end
- 13:30of twenty twenty one that was going to make a Tyreek Hill less offense kind
- 13:35of make an easier transition into that world, and they did, Like they
- 13:39hit the ground running grind at Arizona sucks, but they opened up last year
- 13:41against Arizona boat raced them and then obviously like en route to a Super Bowl.
- 13:46But you bring back a lot of those pieces from that year. Last
- 13:48year, you still have this good offensive line. You have a second year
- 13:52Sky Moore, you have another year with MBS in the system. You Drafter
- 13:56she Rice, who I wasn't a huge fan of, but I recognized the
- 13:58skill set and how it fits. You've got a second year Isaiah Pacheco,
- 14:01like there wasn't You return a lot of pieces from this offense that transitioned so
- 14:07well. After they lost Tyreek kilm was still one of the best offenses by
- 14:11almost any metric you measure them with, and won a Super Bowl. You
- 14:13bring back like that whole squad and see these struggles. How surprising has it
- 14:18been for you to like see how much they've struggled this year, or maybe
- 14:20the kinds of struggles they've had. So I think a big part of last
- 14:24year why it worked was they brought on Juju Smith Schuster and he not that
- 14:30he was in a comply conentirely different skill set, but there was a reliability
- 14:33aspect there. There was consistency before he got hurt, you know, and
- 14:37down the stretch when he played the fast month of the season with his knee
- 14:41really messed up. I don't think everybody realized how bad the knee was till
- 14:43he got to New England and all of a sudden, every week it's something
- 14:46that's coming out of New England that his knee was pretty bad. So he
- 14:50got bad last year for Kansas City, but there was a consistency level.
- 14:52So you go into any single play, Travis Kelcey or Juju Smith Schuster are
- 14:58going to get open versus own covers like you can't take away both of them
- 15:01on any given play. And I think that let the rest of the offense
- 15:03play with confidence. And that goes from play calls to mahomes to the offensive
- 15:07line, like they just stopping their passing game by playing zone was nearly impossible.
- 15:11And then if you play man coverage, it made sense. Some teams
- 15:16had success with it, but then you have to deal with Andy Reid,
- 15:18and Andy Reid will throw mesh at you thirteen different ways in one game and
- 15:22like good Luck and Travis Kelcey and Juju Smith Schuster at times. I mean,
- 15:26Kerelsey number one all the time. If it's a single coverage can beat
- 15:28you. Juju Smith Schuster could in moments. So like, I think that
- 15:31played a huge amount. Losing him really hurt. And so now you replace
- 15:35him with somebody like Rashi Rice, who's a lot more athletic, a lot
- 15:37more explosive. He does some stuff definitely better, but it's not consistent.
- 15:41There's no reliability there. So now what you see his teams just go,
- 15:46well, we're gonna see who else can beat us besides eighty seven. And
- 15:48it's just so hit or miss right now. So I'm not surprised they're struggling,
- 15:52but I am surprised how much I also didn't have my Bengo card.
- 15:56MVS would go from like a very competent deep threat in the na to one
- 16:00of the worst wide receivers in the NFL in one offseason for whatever reason.
- 16:04I'm not I don't I don't know what the reason is. But the guy
- 16:07had seven hundred yards tough touchdowns last year, took over in the playoffs against
- 16:11the Bengals, and like, right now they can't. They cannot get him
- 16:15the football in a way that matters to this team. So some of it
- 16:18was foreseeable. The how far it's gone, Like how big the impact has
- 16:22been. I don't think anybody could have predicted it to be quite this bad.
- 16:26I'm still waiting for him to. Like the number that keeps sticking in
- 16:29my head. I don't know why, is in this game he's gonna have
- 16:30like three catches for one hundred and five yards and two touchdowns. I don't
- 16:33know why, Like I just kiss because he's been so bad. He's the
- 16:37one that's gonna have like a big play game. You're gonna be all fantastic.
- 16:40That's what all of our Packers friends thought. Oh sorry, that's it.
- 16:42That's what all the Packers friends said too. And then like he runs
- 16:45that little like seam route and just bends it right to the safety for absolutely
- 16:48no reason, and the balls are the wrong shoulders, Like well, like
- 16:52that was the chance, right, that was the chance to get it back.
- 16:53And it's just it seems like that's him every single week. Is when
- 16:56he finally does get that opportunity, You're like it's this close and he's dropping
- 17:02it. He's making some kind of odd route adjustment or sometimes it's happened Maholmes
- 17:06has made a bad throw on some of them too, But like it's just
- 17:08it's not clicking, and I don't know what the rationale is for it.
- 17:11Besides who maybe maybe the guy just lost the speed, maybe the vertical receiver
- 17:15lost a step, and now it's just getting a little bit tricky. I
- 17:18don't know for what his rationale is. The big the big drop late in
- 17:22the game is the one against the Eagles, right, yeah, that was
- 17:25yeah, that was an Eagles one. That was the one that I thought,
- 17:27O, yeah, okay, So I have so many like games and
- 17:30tape in my head, and like every once we get past week of like
- 17:33ten or eleven, once we get into double digits, everything in my brain
- 17:36every year is just mush and I can't remember, like what game is?
- 17:38What? That was the one when I saw like I saw the ball in
- 17:42the air and I saw him, I just immediately assumed like touchdown because I
- 17:47was like, of course it's Mahomes and of course MVS will get out of
- 17:51his slump with this huge play, And when he dropped it, I was
- 17:53just like, oh, like I just assumed like, and then saying,
- 17:57like you mentioned that Packers play like I just keep waiting, like you said,
- 18:00and I guess like for Chiefs fans who like, okay, this will
- 18:03be the week where he breaks out and does something big like and it just
- 18:06keeps not happening. I like this question from Chris here in the comments and
- 18:11when I said directly view so Chris says, you know, we're talking about
- 18:12the offensive struggles for the Chiefs, And he says, is this a reflection
- 18:15at all in the effect that Eric the enemy had? What are your thoughts?
- 18:21Yes, yes, and no No. I don't think Eric vienemy played
- 18:25a huge role in the scheme or what was happening in play calling or anything
- 18:29like that. Like, I don't believe that is where his impact was most
- 18:32felt. I do think that Eric vinemy On, in a different way than
- 18:34any other coach on the team, held guys accountable. He wasn't I don't
- 18:40want to say he wasn't liked, because he obviously was very well liked the
- 18:41players, but he wasn't a friend to the players. If you messed up,
- 18:45he wasn't like trying to tell you that it was okay. He was
- 18:48making you be accountable for it. He was getting after guys. I think
- 18:52that there is a lack of somebody doing that. I don't think there's anybody
- 18:56out there pressing the players when they are making mistakes or if they don't think
- 19:00they're making a mistake and it's not working out. There's not somebody there besides
- 19:03Andy Reid, who can't do it during every game. He's not always gonna
- 19:07be that guy. There isn't somebody that is just kind of providing that,
- 19:11just raw, straight up, here's one hundred percent honesty. You screwed up,
- 19:14you didn't screw up. This is why it's not working. I think
- 19:18the mentality aspect from what Eric bine Me brought is definitely missing. And I'm
- 19:22not one to pile on Matt Naggy. I really don't know how much of
- 19:25this offensive struggle is on his plate in terms of scheme, structure, execution,
- 19:30anything like that. However, he also don't foresee Matt Naggie getting after
- 19:34Travis Kelsey. I don't see Matt Naggy really getting after Patrick Mahomes saying you
- 19:38need to change this or that. It seems like a lot more of a
- 19:41friendship type vibe there and I just don't know if that's working with Andy Reid
- 19:47and a lot of the other assistant coaches that they have right now. I
- 19:49don't know why. I just get this feel of like Matt Naggy going up
- 19:52to Travis Kelce to like get at him to be better, and I just
- 19:55picture Travis Kelsey being like, shut up, Matt, like not even calling
- 19:57him coach, just calling him straight up by his first name, and Matt
- 20:00Naggy being like all right, like walking back to his place sheet. I
- 20:03just I don't know. Yeah, I just have such a hard I'm with
- 20:07you. I have such a hard time envisioning Mat like not telling somebody that
- 20:10they're wrong, but like doing so in a way that like drives the point
- 20:14home, I guess, like in like an authoritative fashion that yeah, oh
- 20:17I messed up, right, And it's like it's just and I feel like
- 20:21that's missing. And like there's the huge story two years ago when they the
- 20:23Chiefs lost the Bengals that Mahomes and b Enemy kind of got into it a
- 20:27little bit in the locker room with just a disagreement about what to do on
- 20:30a play call or something, and like it had people really going it was
- 20:33all speculation like it's never been confirmed or denied, really, but there was
- 20:38a guy doing that and you could see it. You could see guys getting
- 20:41frustrated and having shouting matches with the enemy on the sideline. I'm not saying
- 20:45that's good, but I do think that you could see it that held guys
- 20:48accountable. The Chiefs have made so many self inflicted errors this year and it
- 20:52hasn't got better at all. Yeah, they do this every year. They're
- 20:56always amongst the league leaders and penalties. But it's not the same kind of
- 20:59stuff. It's not perceived stuff over and over again. It's not the same
- 21:02thing over and over again like it is now. I just don't they don't.
- 21:04They don't have a hard ass coach to make them stop doing stuff,
- 21:07and I kind of feel like they need it and it's unfortunate. I don't.
- 21:11I look through the assistance. They're all guys that have been there,
- 21:15They're all guys that have come up with this team. How do you flip
- 21:18that switch when you got hired on as an intern as you got hired on
- 21:22as an assistant, and now you all of a sudden are supposed to be
- 21:25in charge, and so if Matt and Aggie's not doing it, and the
- 21:26guy that you know was getting all the coaches coffee four years ago is supposed
- 21:30to do it. Like I feel like that's kind of the issue they run
- 21:33into. That's what I like that point a lot, and it ties into
- 21:37uh, you know, Nikkia this comment down here saying it sounds like the
- 21:40bills under Dorsey. We talked about it so much on this show and in
- 21:45the film room that I do with Eric, Like when you become a coordinator,
- 21:49like when you step up to that level, like you obviously have to
- 21:52know like x's and o's and scheme instructure and all that, but so much
- 21:56of it is a people management piece, like knowing how to get guys going,
- 22:00when, how to correct them, How do you coach someone, How
- 22:02do you get the best out of someone, How do you hold them accountable?
- 22:04Like how do you get them ready? Like you're managing personalities and you're
- 22:08managing like people as much as you are coaching football and the actual like structure
- 22:15in the game of it. And it's a different thing going from a position
- 22:18coach to a coordinate coordinator, let alone like yeah, someone's been in the
- 22:22building that long, Like you were a gopher for coffee, or you weren't
- 22:25intern and you were like, you know, yucking it up and laughing as
- 22:27you would like hand Mahomes his binder after you made copies for everything they needed
- 22:32this week. And now like you're in a position like of authority where you
- 22:34have to be hey, Pat, you screwed up. Stop playing like crap
- 22:37and be like what, like weren't you weren't you just giving me coffee like
- 22:41three years ago, like give me my latte, Like don't forget like the
- 22:44whip cream on top that I want, Like it's just it's a it's a
- 22:47that's a real thing. Like and I feel like people think all the time
- 22:49like in day jobs, like in the real world, it's like, oh,
- 22:52you know a manager or a boss, and it's like, I think
- 22:55people understand that people management piece for people in the day world. It's very
- 22:57much that in sports, you're still managing people, and it might even be
- 23:02harder because the people you're managing make a gajillion dollars. Like how do you
- 23:07tell like Super Bowl MVPs and guys that drive Lamborghinis to work that hey,
- 23:11you're you're doing something wrong. You need to stop and be better. How
- 23:15do you do that, especially when they know they make way more than you
- 23:19right well, and like you know, you know, it's also pretty clear
- 23:22like when Mahomes messes up, he probably knows he messed up, right,
- 23:26And so like there's a right way and a wrong way to go about trying
- 23:29to tell that to him. And sometimes there's gonna need to be a it's
- 23:32got to be strict, and you got to be straight up, and you've
- 23:33got to command, like you know, like no, I'm kind of in
- 23:36charge about this here. It is other times you maybe just need to confirm
- 23:38that he did or did not know that. And it's like, I just
- 23:41think that's difficult when all the guys doing that right now have been there for
- 23:45you know, essentially the same amount that they've been with Mahomes the whole time.
- 23:48They've been the guy sitting there charting all the place they've been the guys
- 23:51that are going through watching all the film, collecting the data and being like,
- 23:53hey, Pat, what do you you know on this? On third
- 23:56downs? The team does this, so look out for it, and like,
- 24:00Okay, they're the guy that's giving you random stats and stuff. And
- 24:02now all of a sudden they are in control, and not that Naggi was
- 24:06that ever. It's just watching Naggie as a Bears head coach in both of
- 24:08his stints with Kansas City, I just don't foresee him as a guy that
- 24:12gets on top of people in that way. So yeah, I do think
- 24:15they missed. That is a great point for you know, Wyo to hear
- 24:18about Joe Colan for the defensive line, the defensive side coming in change,
- 24:22not even necessarily making Spags change things up, but providing his own level of
- 24:25intensity, kind of taking ownership of a position group in a different way than
- 24:29Steve Spagnola does. Chiefs offense, every single player or coach on that staff
- 24:33is an Andy Reid guy. They have had almost all of their coaching experience
- 24:37with Andy Reid. They all and this is you know, this is more
- 24:40of a my personal belief than like for sure fact everybody approaches the same problem
- 24:47the same way because they all learn from Andy Reid. They're all from the
- 24:49exact same system. They need to get somebody from out of the system.
- 24:52I'm not saying that like you need to fire Matt Naggie and hire a new
- 24:55OC, but bring in somebody that maybe approaches the same problem a little different,
- 25:00So it's not all the same voices creating an echo chamber because I think
- 25:03they've kind of run into that issue on the offensive side a little bit,
- 25:07so they have nobody else, Like they have nobody with an outside influence.
- 25:10It's all Andy Reid coaching guys. And that's a good point too, like
- 25:12when you all come from that same system and that same tree, like not
- 25:17not even like you're not only not having new ideas potentially presented, but you
- 25:22all kind of have, like you said, like the same answers to the
- 25:23same problem. Like all they're playing us with like cover one, what should
- 25:26we run? And everybody's like mesh, And it's like all right, well
- 25:29what if what if we can't do that? And everybody's like, oh,
- 25:32we don't. We all just runs, that's what we do. Like it
- 25:34then adding that new little flavor, that new little element, Man, it's
- 25:38it that I really like that point of you know, kind of the voice
- 25:41that the enemy potentially had, and yeah, that accountability piece because it's man,
- 25:47it's it's something that I depending on how the off season goes, like
- 25:52I really want to dive into a lot of chiefs tape because this is I
- 25:53mean, I I think Patrick Mahomes is just on this and you know this,
- 25:56like he's on this other tier when it comes to quarterback play, and
- 26:00you can there's people who want to make the legitimate conversation that he's in the
- 26:03greatest of all time conversation already or on track to be there with what he's
- 26:07done, and just to see him in this offense with granted, you know
- 26:10they lost some pieces, but him and Kelsey Andy Reid usually is and plus
- 26:14a really really good offensive line has been enough to get it done regularly,
- 26:17and they just, for whatever reason, don't seem right. And I know,
- 26:19saying that they're gonna hang like fifty this week or something inch, everyone's
- 26:23like, oh okay, everything's fine, all right, everything's okay. Hey
- 26:27listen, I'm hoping for it. I know you guys aren't. I'm hoping
- 26:30for it like I would even at this point, I would even take well
- 26:33maybe not this week, but at some point time I would even take a
- 26:37Chiefs loss if it meant the offense clearly figured some stuff out, oh right,
- 26:41because we just haven't got there yet, and like we're December now.
- 26:44I think this loss to the Packers. Was Patrick Mahomes like second loss in
- 26:48December or something like that, since he started like, they just don't they
- 26:51don't lose down the stretch, right, it's not what they do. They
- 26:53get hot here and so like, it's just it's a little rough. It's
- 26:59a little rough sitting here where we are looking at the offense and how they
- 27:00get better. However, I did hear from Packer's buddy Ross Uglum. He
- 27:06covers the Packers really good job at it, he said after the Chiefs game.
- 27:08In the Packers game, he's like, you know, it's like,
- 27:11I don't think the Chiefs really care about the regular season. Just watching them,
- 27:14He's like, I'm pretty sure they're just all a bunch of Jimmy Butler's
- 27:15out there just waiting for the playoffs to come around and then it's game time.
- 27:18Begainning. Like I said, I want nothing to be true more than
- 27:22that. As a lover of Jimmy Butler playing basketball in the playoffs, that
- 27:26would be phenomenal. But man, it's just it's a rough watch to get
- 27:29there. They look very they look lost, like they legitimately look lost on
- 27:33offense, and that's just a crazy spot to be in with an Andy Reid
- 27:36and Patrick Mahomes on your football team. That's a fair point. I remember
- 27:40always saying that for so much for those Warriors teams. Once Durant joined them,
- 27:44you could tell that they were just like, we don't care about the
- 27:45regular season. Can we just get to the playoffs? And yeah, maybe
- 27:48it is that thing and they're just waiting and once playoffs hit, they just
- 27:51hang. I went to statmus and looked it up. So Patrick, well,
- 27:55Jesus, Patrick Mahomes is twenty and not that wins are at QB stat.
- 28:00I want to say that right off the bit, firmly don't believe in
- 28:03attributing wins to quarterbacks, but for you know, that crowd or just that
- 28:07stat, because this is still nuts. Mahomes is twenty and four in the
- 28:11month of December in his career, and that includes this loss to Green Bay,
- 28:15but obviously you had and then at one point he had won fourteenth straight
- 28:18or the Chiefs had won fourteenth straight in games of them, and I remember
- 28:21I was I wanted to look that up because it was that stat and then
- 28:25the other one that was broken this year, which like he was undefeated on
- 28:27the road against the entire AFC West for like ever I believe or like somebody
- 28:32that casts out the AFC they early lost to the AFC West. Yeah,
- 28:36like that is that is true? Just ridiculousness. And because I'm even thinking
- 28:38like and then like the couple of losses they did have, like to the
- 28:41Raiders, like several years back. That was in Kansas City, like in
- 28:45the middle ish or earliest part of the year or something like that. Like
- 28:48and so I think his first road loss versus the AFC West was this year
- 28:52at Denver. But he also had the flu, so like whatever, It's
- 28:55just man, he had all these all this wonkiness and weirdness. But again
- 28:57I still think good. You know, at a certain point, good players
- 29:00play good, and good coaches coach good, and I anticipate them, you
- 29:03know, kind of right in the ship a little bit. Will it be
- 29:04this week? We'll see, Matt. Now, let's shift that conversation to
- 29:11going inside this week fourteen matchup Buffalo Bills versus Kansas City Chiefs. For those
- 29:14of you playing at home, and for those of who potentially don't know what
- 29:18we're about to do. What we are about to do. Myself and Matt,
- 29:21we're each going to give our top three matchup pieces that will decide bills
- 29:25versus chiefs, cheaps, chiefs, yikes, falling apart. It could be
- 29:29as large scale as possible, or it could be as granular as possible.
- 29:32It could be a certain play call. It could be a personnel grouping alignment,
- 29:36coach, position, group player. It could be anything an entire side
- 29:40of the ball, certain, something situational, anything as wide scale or as
- 29:42granular as you want. He doesn't know my answers, I don't know his,
- 29:45so we could be completely different. We could have the exact same answers.
- 29:48We have no idea, and in that chaos, fun and enjoyment come
- 29:52together and merge and just brings happiness. Matt, you are the guests.
- 29:57You will go first, and for everybody playing at home, those watching live,
- 30:00feel free to comment on each one of our answers here. Feel free
- 30:04to list your own. I'm gonna start anything that I find of value,
- 30:07or anything that I really can I'll bring up a bunch of it on the
- 30:10back end of the show as we get into the live chats, So feel
- 30:11free to put into the comments what you think of ours, list your own
- 30:15matchups. Whenever you got Matt, who are the guest you go first,
- 30:18Feel free to do it however you want. If you have them all equal,
- 30:22if you have them like this is one, this is two, this
- 30:25is three, you can set the board however you want. The floor is
- 30:27yours. I mean, let's set with the big ticket item. Well,
- 30:30let's get it cut. We talked a lot about you know, the chiefs
- 30:33little bit here, so let's go to the other side. Josh Allen's playing
- 30:36really good this year. I know there's been some weird talk about him throughout
- 30:40the end. I don't know exactly where your guys' opinion is on him.
- 30:41I know there was a stretch of turnovers that seemed excessive, but every time
- 30:45you still watch, he's playing the position of quarterback, probably better than anybody
- 30:49else this year. Overall, it's just been some unfortunate stuff, but specifically
- 30:55Josh Allen in the pocket versu getting out of the pocket versus actually getting him
- 30:57on the ground. It's all difficult to get the man on their ground.
- 31:02He's one, I think he's got the lowest sack rate in the NFL this
- 31:06year, and two he's the only person has a higher EPA per play on
- 31:10scrambles than Patrick mahomes Like. That's kind of been Patrick mahomes like stat and
- 31:14that's always what he does, whether it's running or throwing on the move,
- 31:17that's kind of been his thing. Josh Allen's clearly better than him at it.
- 31:21This year. He has been better than him doing that this year.
- 31:22That's an area for a Chiefs defense I think is very good this year.
- 31:26But if a quarterback starts to break that contain, starts to extend plays handling
- 31:30him, whether it's going to be running or throwing on the move, that's
- 31:33something they're going to have to have an answer for because in the past Josh
- 31:36Allen's legs or his ability to escape pressure get out on the move has hurt
- 31:40them, especially throwing the ball while doing so. And it's just it's one
- 31:42of those things that if he gets going, if he really gets going,
- 31:45because I do think eventually the Chiefs will get some pressure. They've been very
- 31:48good at getting pressure this year. Can they get him down or is he
- 31:52just going to escape? Jordan Love did a phenomenal job getting away from a
- 31:55lot of pressure, and you know, some of the balls maybe were a
- 31:57little bit more heave ho like, but some of them were very accurate and
- 32:00welthrow in footballs, and I know Josh Allen can do the exact same thing
- 32:04if the Chiefs aren't playing a little bit cleaner in terms of their pass rush,
- 32:07Like I think that's kind of where this has to start for the Chiefs
- 32:08defense. I love that stat. It's funny I have. I have it
- 32:14queued up just in like random notes I have. So there are thirty nine
- 32:19qualifying quarterbacks this year. Based on number of dropbacks, Josh Allen is tied
- 32:23for the lowest pressures converted to sacks percentage in the NFL this year at nine
- 32:29point four percent. Mahomes is just ahead of him, well below him technically,
- 32:35depend on how you want to look at it, at nine point eight
- 32:37percent. But this is the first So this is a stat that I've tracked
- 32:39like every single year because the Bills offensive line is much improved this year,
- 32:44both in the run and the past. But the previous years, the best
- 32:47pass protection element the Bills have had has been Josh Allen avoiding pressure and navigating
- 32:52the pocket and stiff arming a defensive lineman in the pocket and then rushing in
- 32:55doing something else like that. It's been him and his pocket navigation and manipulation
- 33:00in athleticism in the pocket. It's still present this year, but they've been
- 33:02much better. From just a general pass protection standpoint. Latavious Murray has been
- 33:07a good piece in the backfield in pass protection, and then the addition to
- 33:08Connor McGovern and Osirius Torrents upfront and Spencer Brown playing to an average or above
- 33:14average level at times at right tackle has really started to add some consistency.
- 33:17So the offensive line has been better. But I say all that to say,
- 33:22every year the past several years, I'm always tracking, tracking that pressure
- 33:25converted to sack percentage, and Allen is always one of the best in the
- 33:29league, one of the lowest, but he's never ahead of Mahomes. Just
- 33:32in that regard. Mahomes is always like lowesst It's always Mahomes. The It's
- 33:36always Mahomes. And then yeah, like your point, you add that EPA
- 33:38per scramble aspect, and everybody listening like you can immediately think that there's some
- 33:43third and fifteen and Mahomes scrambles and he does his little duck walk and he
- 33:46gets seventeen yards and he sticks the ball out in front it's the first down,
- 33:50and it always seems to come at some like backbreaking moment. It's some
- 33:54like third down where if the defense gets the stop, it's going to be
- 33:58a huge momentum swing for the other team, and Mahomes is like, Nope,
- 34:00I'm just gonna scramble and get the first down. And so the fact
- 34:04that Alan has started to close that gap this year with an from an EPA
- 34:07perspective in terms of scrambling but also that pressure converted to sack percentage, that's
- 34:12been like a big change. And I don't know who it speaks to,
- 34:15more Alan or Mahomes, but it's one of notes for me because Mahomes is
- 34:17always like usually head and shoulders above everyone in those regards. Yeah, and
- 34:22like that's what I noticed in Washingmen, and even more so than it just
- 34:25scrambling, Like Josh Allen on the move right now is throwing the football exceptionally.
- 34:30What That's again another thing that's always kind of been in Mahome staying once
- 34:32he's on the move, he's throwing the football almost better than he does from
- 34:36in the pocket. And it's a lot easier to make throws if you can
- 34:38do it on the move. Coverage gets a little bit wonkier on the move
- 34:42because now all of a sudden, the throwing angles changing where the pass is
- 34:45coming from. It leverages a shift. So Mahomes has always been great at
- 34:49that, It's been a little down this year, and I think a lot
- 34:51of that goes to the receiver problem we talked about the top of the show.
- 34:53I was just saying my point with that, like I wanted to get
- 34:55in there real quick, like sorry, Like I feel like normally, when
- 34:59you see Mahome scramble, he scrambles, it's like one Mississippi two fire.
- 35:02He scrambles and you can almost see him like bleeding it to the sideline to
- 35:07be like somebody get open. Somebody get open, somebody get open. I'm
- 35:09just gonna chuck it. Like guys aren't separating regularly, But even in the
- 35:14scramble drill, which is advantage offense, they're still not separating. I mean,
- 35:19yeah, like at all. And the amount of times like he's run
- 35:21out for Normally when he scrambles, it's usually been big games, Like you
- 35:23said, it's been in high leverage situations for big games. This year we've
- 35:27seen a lot more two three yard scrambles, just barely getting back to the
- 35:30line of scrimmage because no one gets open on that he can't find. The
- 35:32only person he really trusts is Travis Kelcey. Nobody else presents the at a
- 35:37routine wait way, and then you flip it Josh Allen right now. I
- 35:43don't know if the Bills scramble drills look quite as clean, but the fact
- 35:45that Josh Allen is throwing with so much confidence that he's gonna put the ball
- 35:49anywhere on the field when he's scrambling, like that ball can literally go anywhere,
- 35:52it can be right on the money. Like he has kind of taken
- 35:55that mantra of you know, throwing the football on the move better than Mame
- 36:00this year. And I don't know if it's gonna last forever like I have.
- 36:02I don't know if it's a short term issue for the Chiefs, if
- 36:06it's something that's kind of you know that that trophy has been handed over,
- 36:08But that's just when I see him. When Josh Allen breaks the pocket.
- 36:12Good stuff's happening far more often than it's not for the Bills, And like
- 36:15the Chiefs are gonna have to figure out a way to handle that and I
- 36:17don't know if this will come up later, So like I also have a
- 36:20little bit of a stat here. Three teams, four teams have blitzed the
- 36:22Bills over forty percent of their dropbacks. Those four games have been the Jags,
- 36:27the Patriots, the Bucks, and the Broncos. And judging by the
- 36:29look on your face, you kind of had an idea because those are some
- 36:31of the offensive performances that maybe weren't as clean as some of the others that
- 36:36Josh Allen in those games went thirty nine for sixty four on these blitz plays.
- 36:38Now there's some scrambles in here that I did not add up. I
- 36:42know I got a little easy there, but three touchdowns to two interceptions only
- 36:45six yards per attempt, Like that was he was not playing his best when
- 36:50he was getting blitzed in those games. I would kind of expect the Chiefs
- 36:52to turn up the pressure to avoid to get the ball one out of Allen's
- 36:55hand quicker, but to kind of avoid giving him more time back there to
- 37:00kind of run around make stuff happen. Hopefully, those teams kind of gave
- 37:04the blueprint for how you stop that a little bit I used, so I
- 37:07started nodding immediately because it especially the Jags game was the first one with like
- 37:12with how much they blitzed. It was a complete change of what defensees had
- 37:15done against Allen, and not to mention the effectiveness that they had within it,
- 37:20and what you really saw with the Jags game and the Patriots game,
- 37:22the Bills are just getting themselves into these third and long situations and not even
- 37:27third and long like oh, third and seven, No like third and nine,
- 37:29third and ten, third and ten, and specifically with the Jags Patriots
- 37:34a little bit, but more so the Jags. And it's funny because I
- 37:37almost made this one of my points of this game, but I ended up
- 37:39not. The Jags might called well coming from that Todd Bowl Street, like
- 37:45that creative designer pressure package type of thing on third down, and if you
- 37:50get into these third and longs, like, it's so hard to live against
- 37:52a team like the Jags. And the Bills played into that by being in
- 37:55these third and lungs, and the Jags started bringing pressures that either to one
- 38:00of two things. They either heat it up Allen and forced him to throw
- 38:04where they wanted him to throw, and then they rallied and made the tackle,
- 38:07or they took away his hot read because they manipulated the protection and the
- 38:12hot read off of it, took away his hot read, forced him to
- 38:15keep the ball and then he either had to scramble for his life to not
- 38:17a lot of success or he had to dump the ball down and again you
- 38:20were getting the stops. And I harken that to again a guy like Steve
- 38:24Spagnolo, who on third downs is usually this creative guy who will get in
- 38:29his bag. And if you're living on third and longs, third and lungs,
- 38:31third and logs, that is not where you want to be against this
- 38:35defensive coordinator who can game you up and get into his designer bag and really
- 38:39start to like confuse you a bit. And so that's why as soon as
- 38:43you mentioned I started nodding, because immediately went to my notes, I was
- 38:45like, oh, like I almost made that a point like it is,
- 38:47and then not only like can you manipulate the bill's protection plan, but then
- 38:52also if you do to tie into your point and you do get home,
- 38:57do you bring Josh Allen down like is he stiff army to the grind?
- 39:00Is he's shaking you? If he gets outside of the pocket. The Bills
- 39:02have been good on their scramble drill this year. He's he's soaked up with
- 39:05Shakir and Kincaid, the big one, no no surprises, Stefan Diggs.
- 39:08We went through a stretch, oh maybe like five or six weeks in a
- 39:13row where at least once a game there was some scramble drill between Alan and
- 39:17Diggs, and Digs would separate and create like ten yards of separation and it's
- 39:21a wide open play like he and Alan are just so in sync when it
- 39:23comes to that, you know, scramble drill piece and yeah, if he
- 39:28if he escapes, we'll see what kind of damage you can do. I
- 39:30like that point. I so you went with that. I don't know what
- 39:37to go with. I'll stick, I'll stick on that side of the ball.
- 39:40I'll stick on that side of the ball. So my first point,
- 39:45I never know how to title my points there. My titles are always terrible.
- 39:47It was big. I'm back in school. I never knew it,
- 39:49like to title papers and stuff like the paper would be going, my titles
- 39:52would be awful. Like I never same thing with episodes, Like I never
- 39:54know what the title things. So I just blanketed this one, how much
- 39:58of the Buffalo Bills lean to their run game. And this is where I
- 40:04started going down this rabbit hole for the Chiefs defense and a lot of situational
- 40:06stuff, and then I went into them as a whole. So a Kansas
- 40:09City Chiefs as on the whole tenth overall in EPA per play, ninth and
- 40:15DV away fifth in overall success rate. But versus the pass, they are
- 40:21tremendous. They're third in EPA per pass, their second in positive play percentage
- 40:25versus the pass. They're fifth in DVA versus the pass. They're fourth in
- 40:30dropback EPA and their second in drop back success rate. All very good things
- 40:35for a defense versus the run. Different story for the Chiefs defense. Thirty
- 40:39first in rushing EPA, twenty seventh in EPA per attempt, twenty first in
- 40:45rushing success rate, twenty eighth in DVA, the fifth highest yards per attempt
- 40:51allowed. Fun fact, the Bills have the fourth highest yards per attempt allowed
- 40:53on defense on the other side of the ball, and then last piece,
- 40:57twenty ninth in so toff percentage for the defense, which is the runs that
- 41:01go for zero or fewer yards. So over all, the good defense,
- 41:06very strong against the pass, but some vulnerability in the run. The Buffalo
- 41:09Bill's run game, they're thirteenth. Oh go ahead, you got some No,
- 41:13no, sorry, yeah, I'm agreeing with you so far. You
- 41:15keep riffing, You're killed right, No, God, I'm firing off the
- 41:17hip. Like Bill's run game. They're thirteenth in total attempts this year,
- 41:21but first in EPA per rush, third in rushing success rate, eighth in
- 41:27yards per attempt. These next two pieces are offensive line stats. Really for
- 41:31me, they're second. They have the second lowest percent of runs that get
- 41:35hit at the line of scrimmage because that offensive line is creating displacement vertically and
- 41:39or horizontally. Running backs are getting alleyways, they're getting runways, they have
- 41:43places to go. They have the fifth lowest stuff percentage. Again, runs
- 41:46that go for zero or fewer yards. We have seen this Bill's offense be
- 41:51successful with several concepts. They lean into duo, they lean into tackle,
- 41:54wrap, and dart at mid zone. Those are the three main concepts.
- 41:58Latavious Murray and James Cook are both in the top twenty for EPA per attempt
- 42:02out of sixty three qualifying running backs. Cook is twentieth, Murray is thirteenth.
- 42:07They they both had a successful year. We've see Ty Johnson emerge a
- 42:10little bit. And then what we also see when this Bills offense is really
- 42:14cooking, especially with the run game. We will see them tie their run
- 42:16concepts into RPOs or runs that have pass tags attached to them, especially that
- 42:22tackle wrap dart play. Then there's it's a two great you know plays to
- 42:27juxtapose against one another. With themselves against the Eagles end of the first half,
- 42:31they run tackle rap in the low red zone. James Cook gets stopped,
- 42:36but they had the pass tag attached to it. Allan decided to give
- 42:38it to Cook. Cook got tackled for the loss. They run the exact
- 42:42same thing later in the fourth quarter and that's the touchdown to Gabe Davis.
- 42:45So same exact look. They get rolling with their run concepts against specifically that
- 42:49tackle rap and dark play. If they get into it, then they start
- 42:52hitting those RPO looks off of it. They'll hit that glance and they will
- 42:54kill you with that glance. Or they'll run a little you know, two
- 42:58receiver set to the front side of that run. Maybe they'll run a little
- 43:01out with it a little free access option, so that run game in and
- 43:06of itself, it's a good run game for this Bill's team. My biggest
- 43:08criticism with Ken Dorsey, I don't subscribe to a ton of the Dorsey hate
- 43:13that a lot of people subscribe to. My biggest issue with him was his
- 43:16lack of commitment to the run game. The Bills down the stretch last year
- 43:20had a good run game, and especially with Allen's elbow injury, I wanted
- 43:22them to run the ball more. They did this year was very hit or
- 43:25miss, very roller coastery. We've seen that a little more commitment from Joe
- 43:30Brady, but not a ton. And I just think what this Bill's run
- 43:34game can do in a vacuum. It's a good run game. And then
- 43:37you add in the success that they can have off of the pass with directly
- 43:40RPOs and pass tags, let alone play action and all that stuff. And
- 43:44then the third element, which is it helps Josh Allen and makes him not
- 43:47have to do as much work. And then the fourth element, which is
- 43:50the Chiefs defense isn't that great against the run. And if you want to
- 43:52neutralize Chris Jones, run it right at him and don't let him, get
- 43:57into these pass roose situations, attack him, get downhill with the additional o
- 44:00Cyrus torents. This year, I've said it all year. They have this
- 44:02downhill element to their run game. They can displace you vertically while also displacing
- 44:07you horizontally with the athleticism that they have. So that's my first piece here.
- 44:12So, yeah, just how much do they lean into that run game
- 44:14to try and maximize their strengths while also mitigating the chief strengths on defense and
- 44:19kind of exposing some of their vulnerabilities. Yeah, it's interesting because in years
- 44:23past, De spek Nola's like entire style of defense has been stop the run,
- 44:29try to get it into third and long, and then we're gonna throw
- 44:30the kitchen sink and offenses and we will scheme our way into a pass,
- 44:35a pass a stop against the pass. This year it's almost backwards. They're
- 44:39like, hey, you can try to throw it as much as you want,
- 44:42because we're gonna have answers and we can shut guys down. We have
- 44:45the coverage players, we have the pass rush. I can also blitz you
- 44:47on first and ten by throwing a corner and getting a free rusher. Nine
- 44:52out of ten times, and it's like the past defense is phenomenal. He
- 44:55wins so much in the run game, it's been such a mixed back.
- 45:00Teams that are able to get downhill against the Chiefs can create a ton of
- 45:02movement. The defensive tackle position for the Chiefs is abysmal, especially against the
- 45:07run, because that's Chris Jones can make flashy plays versus the run, and
- 45:12especially if you're gonna work latterly, if you're gonna go with some outside zone
- 45:15or even like mid zone stuff, he will. He will beat guys or
- 45:17he'll beat guys across their face. He will backdoor play. He has no
- 45:21business back dooring and go chase down a running back. He can do a
- 45:23lot. But if you're just gonna run at him, or you're gonna run
- 45:27duo straight at this team over and over again, they are gonna give up
- 45:30ground, they are gonna give up space. Their best run defender, i
- 45:34mean Nick Bolton coming back does help. But their guy that makes the most
- 45:37stops in the line of scrimmage in the run game is Trent McDuffie, a
- 45:38slot cornerback, and like that's not the way he won. He's great,
- 45:42Like I'm not saying this in a bad way. He's phenomenal, but that's
- 45:45not great. That's not what you want as as a defense, right.
- 45:49And so if the Bills can find some success get running down hill a little
- 45:52bit, like, yeah, it's gonna be infinitely harder for this Chiefs team.
- 45:57In the past, teams have been afraid to try to sit on the
- 46:00run game. Besides, like the Raiders trying to shorten the game or something.
- 46:04Teams have been afraid to sit on the run game because you're not as
- 46:07likely to score. Right, It's a less efficient play to put up points.
- 46:10So teams know they have to score against the Chiefs, they've been hesitant
- 46:14to run the ball. We saw the Packers come out for their first two
- 46:16drives this past week and run downhill, run downhill, run downhill, and
- 46:20it opened up the pass game. I would not be surprised at all to
- 46:22see the Bills similar. And I don't know if the Chiefs have a ton
- 46:27of answers because their defensive tackle position is just so thin and just quite frankly,
- 46:31not very good. I'm glad you agree with my point. It makes
- 46:35me feel a lot better about it. Yeah, And I just that nature
- 46:37of what it does in a vacuum for moving the ball but helping open up
- 46:40the pass, and I do want it to shorten the game a little bit.
- 46:45This has been kind to one of my points later. I don't have
- 46:46a ton of faith in the Bills defense, just from where they are from
- 46:50a health perspective and some of the vulnerabilities that they have, So I would
- 46:53like to, you know, again, if you shorten the game, then
- 46:58it makes every offensive possession you have that much more important, and then you
- 47:00have to score on almost every single possession. If the Chiefs do score,
- 47:02then you kind of get into this pressure situation with yourself that you created.
- 47:06But I do kind of want to shorten that game to a degree like that.
- 47:09And I always give this example, like I thought for so many years
- 47:13the Ravens had like one of the best blueprints to beat, even though it
- 47:16was under Greg Roman, but to beat the Chiefs because I was like,
- 47:19the running game is so good. And if you're running the ball and scoring
- 47:21at a touchdown at the end of your drives, you and you're taking up
- 47:23eight minutes, guess what you scored a touchdown? And Patrick Mahomes has less
- 47:27chance to do anything because he's getting less possesions because you're eating up all this
- 47:30clock. But that is dependent upon you consistently putting points on the board,
- 47:35especially touchdowns. Yeah, I just think that run game, the Bills running
- 47:38game is It's always been important the past couple of years, but more as
- 47:42a pivot. I really think this year their run game is good enough to
- 47:45the point that it can be an identity for this team. It never will
- 47:47be because you have Josh Allen and the game is going to go through Josh
- 47:51Allen and his no I know it man, And but the Chiefs are a
- 47:54good example too. Like and I said it coming into the season this year,
- 47:59what happened last year when oh, they're in the playoffs against the Jags
- 48:02and Mahomes goes down And I had so many of my friends text me being
- 48:06like, bro, like the Chiefs are going to go down, And I
- 48:07was like, no, they have like a really good run game, and
- 48:09what do they do, Like Chad Henny makes this throw that from like the
- 48:14shadow of his own goal line that should have been intercepted and is not.
- 48:16But then they just lean on the run game and run it down. The
- 48:19Jags throw for the entire field. What happens in the Super Bowl against the
- 48:22Eagles. They come out in the second half, checkout checko, put checko.
- 48:24Downhill, run game, run game, run game, And yes,
- 48:28Mahomes in the passing game made a bunch of plays, but they were able
- 48:30to lean on that offensive line and run game and the Bill. The Bills
- 48:34have a run game to the point where they can throw the ball like nine
- 48:37times in a half and still put up like fourteen points or seventeen or something
- 48:42like that, because their run game can legitimately do things. And then if
- 48:45you get creative off of it, Now you're running some nakeds or some boots
- 48:47with Allen and everything you can do. Now you get his legs involved,
- 48:51and if you're moving pockets and you can create explosives downfield. There's so many
- 48:54schematic advantages built off of it. But just in a vacuum, it's a
- 48:59good ground game. They can move with it, and it just, yeah,
- 49:01it opens so much. I like that, and like I wish I
- 49:06could battle back more, but like I have nothing from the Chiefs perspective this
- 49:08year that says that they will be able to stop a run game that is
- 49:12actively attacking Downhill at them, right, That's why I beat up Chris Jones,
- 49:17Like get if he's lining up usually on the offenses right, defenses left,
- 49:23I'm just using osiris torns and I'm getting downhill and I'm just like,
- 49:25beat the hell out of Chris Jones. We're running right at him, We're
- 49:30running duo to his side. If not, we're running tackle, wrap and
- 49:32dark to his side, and I want you to pin him down, like
- 49:36physically knock him the hell off his spot. And like I don't I don't
- 49:39know why the Bills wouldn't lean more into it, because it's not like a
- 49:42negative run or a is you know, a run for no gain for the
- 49:45Bills. Tanks their offensive possession because Josh Allen's their quarterback. There's this is
- 49:50the thing about the Chiefs River. The Chiefs have been one of the most
- 49:52notorious first and ten run teams or second and long run teams in the NFL
- 49:57under Andy Reid and Patrick Malmes. But yet they've been the best team at
- 50:00converting first downs into new first or like converting for drives into first downs.
- 50:05Right, So like it's a team. These two teams have quarterbacks and offensive
- 50:08systems that second and long third and long. Aren't the end of the drive.
- 50:12It's not over immediately. There's nothing wrong with trying to lean on the
- 50:15run game, and the way this Chiefs defense looks a lot more bad things
- 50:20can happen when you try to throw the ball against them than when you try
- 50:22to run the ball against them right now, So like that, the Bills
- 50:23would be very smart to come out and do that and see where that gets
- 50:27them to open up the passing game later on, because I don't know what
- 50:30kind of answers the Chiefs will have other than to add more guys to the
- 50:32box. Once you do that, that opens up everything else. Like we
- 50:37will see how it starts out. I'm hoping fingers cross it they don't go
- 50:39down this route and they just say, hey, Josh Allen, go win
- 50:42the game for us. But coming out of the by, we'll see everybody
- 50:45always hates it. Every time I do it. I'm like, the bill
- 50:46should run the ball more, and they're like, that sucks. We have
- 50:49Josh Allen. I'm like, all right, cool to shut up over here.
- 50:52Like I just it just it does so much for this team, And
- 50:54like I think that's the part that people don't see, Like the levels that
- 50:58you can build and stack off off of it. But he again even just
- 51:01let alone, like I'll take the Tavious Murray just being a hammer and getting
- 51:05six yards of pop running down the throat, and like James Cook busts one
- 51:07off for twelve yards and you just move and you take chunks and you gouge
- 51:10little by little. Good start to this conversation. All right, your second
- 51:14point now, whatever you want, whatever you got floor is yours. What's
- 51:16your second point for? What will decide the flippers Chiefs? We're flipping sides.
- 51:21We're going Chiefs offense. How are the Bills going to defend? The
- 51:23Chiefs going twelve for thirteen personnel, going a little bit heavier. So it's
- 51:28been average. There's EPA per play. Again, the Bill's been average versus
- 51:30twelve personnel. They've been pretty poor verse thirteen personnel. This year. The
- 51:35Chiefs run the fifth most twelve personnel, the second most thirteen personnel. They're
- 51:39pretty good. The Chiefs been top six and EPA in both they run the
- 51:43ball. They passed the ball out of both of them. Like the Chiefs
- 51:45offense with the wide receiver issues, has had to lean into a little bit
- 51:49more heavier personnel to get plays going downfield. They have found success running When
- 51:52they go twelve personnel, they can actually run gap stuff and that's where they
- 51:57can run the football very well. When they get to eleven, they've tried
- 52:00to get more. They've done a lot more one back power. They've done
- 52:02a lot more counter stuff out of eleven personnel lately, but they really can
- 52:06get into a lot of their different stuff when they go twelve They like to
- 52:08take their shot plays out of thirteen personnel. Try to push Kelsey down the
- 52:12field, try to keep Nds or Justin Watson, whoever's out there. It's
- 52:15like the Chiefs will go heavy a lot. The Bills, with the injuries
- 52:19that they've had this year, seem like they have struggled to kind of match
- 52:21these teams with their base personnel out there. Right now, I think this
- 52:23is an area the Chiefs could exploit a little bit. We've seen them leaning
- 52:28more and more into this heavier personnel. Try to pull the Bills out there,
- 52:30make them play a little bit out of that comfort zone of wanting to
- 52:34be a nickel as much as possible. Defend this Chiefs running game, which
- 52:37can be good when they allow it. To be. That's I mean,
- 52:40you talked a lot about the Bills running game. He's the Chiefs running game.
- 52:44If you get a zone rushing attack from the Chiefs, you're gonna stop
- 52:45them because it's bad. If you get the Chiefs running gap at you,
- 52:49whether it's power, whether they want to go into duo, whether they want
- 52:52to run counter stuff that week, it's really good. So it depends on
- 52:54which offensive game plan you're getting that week. Against NFC teams, it seems
- 52:59to be gap every time. Against AFC teams, they just like to sit
- 53:01the me inside zone, inside zone, wide zone, have fun. Oh
- 53:06and we're averaging two yards per carry and getting stuffed on every other run because
- 53:09it's just not working. So we'll see how that goes. But I do
- 53:13think the Chiefs going into heavier personnel is going to help that. Noah,
- 53:16Gray, Blake Bell aren't significant receiving threats, but they do do a good
- 53:21enough job of getting open to the right spots where Mahomes has a little bit
- 53:23more trust in them than some of the receivers. So like, I think
- 53:27that allows the offense as a whole to play a little bit more confidently.
- 53:30If the Bills can't prove that they are able to slow it down, stop
- 53:34it. I would not be surprised at all to see a lot of multiple
- 53:37tight end sets coming out there for the Chiefs, even if it doesn't look
- 53:39particularly scary. Like I said with Noah Graham Blake Bell, the Chiefs just
- 53:44seem to operate a little bit cleaner when they're playing out a heavier personnel.
- 53:46I love that point, Like that's tremendous, and not just because I talked
- 53:52about this offseason once the Bills drafted Dalton Kincaid. I talk so much about
- 53:55what like a good what a true versatile or strong twelve personnel personnel? Oh,
- 54:00I don't know why I said personnel twice, what a strong twelve personnel
- 54:04package can do for an offense and what it can open up for you.
- 54:07And so many people were like, no, that means you have to run
- 54:09the ball and run the ball, and I was like, no, Like,
- 54:12you should watch the twenty twenty two Chiefs and see what they did out
- 54:15of their twelve and thirteen personnel packages. Granted, one of those tight ends
- 54:17is Travis Kelcey, and you know, YadA YadA and all the pieces you
- 54:20talked about, But what's very interesting with that is recently when when teams have
- 54:23done that, you know, for so many years it didn't matter what you
- 54:28did. The Bills are staying in nickel. You could come out with seventy
- 54:30five tight ends on the field and they would be like, no, we're
- 54:34running nickel, Like that's what we're staying in. What they've done a little
- 54:36bit more this year, even with the injury to Matt Milano, they'll go
- 54:39into base. And so you have Terrell Bernard and Tyrell Dodson and then Dorian
- 54:44Williams as that third linebacker problem is Tyrell Dodson in the in that in that
- 54:52good and Dory Williams also in that good for different reasons. Tyrell Dodson,
- 54:58he's he's actually been good as a run stopping linebacker this year. Like he's
- 55:02had some plus plays. The Cincinnati game was really good. He's had some
- 55:05good flashes this year, especially for a guy who, again, these guys
- 55:08are in the NFL, like they're obviously good at football, but he should
- 55:12be nowhere near a starting lineup ever, like he is a special teams linebacker,
- 55:15maybe like a low end two third string linebacker, like he should not
- 55:20be seeing starting reps, and so it's nice that he's played decently well and
- 55:23had some strong flashes. He's very limited in coverage, like, he's not
- 55:28athletic. He's not that person that you're gonna be able to play match coverage
- 55:32with. He's not walling guys off, he's not carrying guys vertical like.
- 55:36He just has a lot of athletic limitations. Dorian Williams, rookie linebacker from
- 55:40Tulane. Extremely athletic, long arms, fast, twitchy, has burst all
- 55:45these things that are like ooh, like look at the measurables and look how
- 55:47fast he runs all this stuff. It's awesome. He'll play sideline to sideline,
- 55:52but he's extremely green. Comes from a defense at Tulane that was very
- 55:55spot drop heavy, like literally just playing Madden coverages out there. There isn't
- 56:00a ton of matching. There isn't a lot of sophistication on that side of
- 56:04the ball. So from a mental standpoint, he gets lost. And it's
- 56:07not because he's dumb or he can't process. He's just not used to seeing
- 56:12what he's seeing out there. So he'll blow plays in the run because you
- 56:16know he's getting lost in the sauce or he's getting misled by the misdirection,
- 56:20or he fits the or he fits the wrong gap, or he fits the
- 56:22wrong piece. Terroll Dodson will make plays against the run, sometimes he won't
- 56:25because he'll make the wrong read. And then in coverage, Dodson is making
- 56:30poor plays in coverage because he's not athletic. Dorrian Williams is making poor plays
- 56:34in coverage because he just doesn't know what to read at times, and he's
- 56:37not processing correctly. He's either not processing fast enough or he's processing incorrectly.
- 56:43He had some reps where they were really trying to do like a platoon,
- 56:45but leading towards Dorriyan Williams and the Jags game and the Giants game. They're
- 56:51literally just running like you know, play action and like running the leak concepts
- 56:54and things, and he's just going with that misdirection and completely avoiding and vacating
- 57:00his side of the field. I like this comment from Carl that says aunt
- 57:02PFF disagrees Tyrol Dodson as an overall grade of eighty nine point nine. PFF
- 57:07grades me nothing to me. They are subjective and they hold no weight to
- 57:09me. And I love PFF. They have a ton of awesome advanced metrics
- 57:13grades me nothing. I know Carl's being sarcastic, but I wanted to put
- 57:15that out there. Their Yeah. And so when you go base cool,
- 57:22now you're forcing Tyrell Dodson to have to consistently fit the run appropriately sometimes like
- 57:27again, he's physical, he's a thumper coming downhill when he's like when things
- 57:30are really going good for him, but he'll undercut a gap or he'll be
- 57:34in the same gap as his defensive lineman and he'll just give up a big
- 57:37run because he's not filling correctly. And then you've got Dorny and Williams who
- 57:40is still learning how to properly process and see what's happening. So if you
- 57:45go with those heavier personnel packages, you were forcing the Bills, from a
- 57:49like depth perspective and roster perspective, to play into one of their weaknesses,
- 57:52Like they didn't have a lot of good linebacker depth. And we had questions
- 57:55coming into the year of what Terrell Bernard could be. And he's playing really
- 58:00well next to Matt Mlano, and then Milano goes down and Bernard has played
- 58:05well, but he's still an undersized linebacker who I don't think this is really
- 58:08like his fall necessarily, but there's a lot of clips like where if you
- 58:12get to the second level, like against the Eagles, like Cam Jurgens is
- 58:15chucking him out of the club left and right. Like on just so many
- 58:17of their their wide zone play where Kelsey comes around on the full block and
- 58:23Jurgens climbs to the second level. Quinn Minors from Denver is chuckinghim out of
- 58:28the club left and right, Like if you can get a big body or
- 58:30get to the second level, he's got an undercut and avoid to make a
- 58:34play because he's he's playing middle linebacker and he's like two hundred and twenty one
- 58:37pounds, Like he's just very, very very undersized. And then you're pairing
- 58:42him with an unathletic Tyrell Dodson and a very green and raw Dorny and Williams
- 58:46leaning into that and making them have to play against the run or the pass
- 58:52let alone both. I think that's a very strong recipe for success, especially
- 58:54when you're pairing it with you know, the inconsistency the Chiefs have had at
- 58:59the wide receiver position, like why not force the Bills into this schematic disadvantage
- 59:02and also potentially mitigate some of the inconsistencies that you've had as an offense.
- 59:07It's yeah, so the Chiefs like to do it like That's kind of what
- 59:10I saw when I was going back, is like the linebacker play obviously lost
- 59:14a lot with with Milano going out, and I think we talked about a
- 59:16little bit last year. Edmunds, I know, got a lot of flak
- 59:19from sub Bills fans, but I always thought he was a very imperative.
- 59:22I thought he was very imperative to what they did before. Now obviously Milano
- 59:25replaced him. It was better than him. I'm not trying to say that.
- 59:29I just thought having the two together mattered a lot. And Edmunds,
- 59:32while against the Chiefs in particular, always had a rough go. He was
- 59:36the guy that was kind of in the position that allowed him to be in
- 59:39a spot to look like he had a rough go. So away the linebacker
- 59:42spot looks like in area that can be targeted. And what the Chiefs likes
- 59:45to do when they get to twelve and thirteen personnel, they still I mean
- 59:47in thirteen personnel they still throw it fifty percent of the time, and twelve
- 59:52personnel they still throw it almost seventy percent of the time. That's a great
- 59:54recipe because again, like you can create matchup advantages because Dodson doesn't have the
- 59:59athletic says, they'll go with your tight ends. And then Dorry and Williams
- 1:00:01like you just throw a little jet motion or throw some kind of misdirection.
- 1:00:06It could be anything my same misdirection. I mean literally like anything in the
- 1:00:10bucket of like play action, jet motion, orbit, a leak concept,
- 1:00:15anything. But you can get him lost in traffic and lost with his eyes
- 1:00:19very easily. And that's how the Chiefs have protected Kelsey this year because he's
- 1:00:22getting so many doubles and stuff like that. So they'll put him in here
- 1:00:24with this twelve thirteen personnel and you're just gonna get Blake Bell or Noah Gray
- 1:00:29are gonna run of some kind of vertical They're just trying to draw attention,
- 1:00:31right, They're trying to pull somebody with them. But them running through first
- 1:00:36allows Kelsey from this like condensed location right behind him to just kind of hide
- 1:00:39and then break inside outside wherever his route takes him. But it's a lot
- 1:00:43harder now when you have base persona, you have three linebackers out there.
- 1:00:46It's kind of a lot harder to double team. It's hard to get two
- 1:00:49bodies to go chase Travis Kelcey out of this personnel grouping. So if you
- 1:00:52can pull whether it's a Dodson or Williams, like, just pull them a
- 1:00:57little bit out of the way, and now you're giving Kelsey more space because
- 1:01:00they are taking the bait on something that you probably don't want them to be
- 1:01:02iding just because it's running in front of their face. I think that's what
- 1:01:07the Chiefs have gone to when they need to get some stuff started. When
- 1:01:08the offense stalls, they've gone heavier. We'll go protect Kelsey. We'll let
- 1:01:13him go get an option route underneath what we're running from somebody else, another
- 1:01:16tight end downfield. It's kind of been a comfort zone for them, so
- 1:01:20I wouldn't be surprised to see them lean into it. And then, like
- 1:01:22I said, I really do think their power run game, their gap stuff
- 1:01:25works really well out of twelve personnel. Right now, They've done a lot
- 1:01:29of really cool stuff with some of their tight ends they've been using. They'll
- 1:01:32line, you know, with the tight ends opposite sides. They'll run like
- 1:01:35a split zone action, but then the tight end to the play side will
- 1:01:38just leave at the end go up to the second level. They'll let the
- 1:01:42pulling tight end come across and take them. Then they'll mix that up and
- 1:01:45then run a zone insert play to where the tight end HPAC that's pulling is
- 1:01:47now running through. Like. They've done a lot of cool stuff when they
- 1:01:52have multiple tight ends on there. It's just they usually don't do it against
- 1:01:54AFC teams. So I don't know if we're going to get the super basic
- 1:01:58Chiefs run game or not. Andy he doesn't like to show teams that he's
- 1:02:00gonna play again his good stuff until the playoffs. He really does keep it
- 1:02:05as basic as he can. I don't know what you're gonna see in this
- 1:02:07game against the Bills here because it's not an NFC team. But like the
- 1:02:10Eagles and the Packers, the Chiefs ran the ball great, and if you
- 1:02:14go watch, it's a lot of pulling linemen. It's a lot of two
- 1:02:16tight end stuff and guys doing different it's so many different things. Earlier this
- 1:02:21year they ran a double zone insert run with one tight end coming from like
- 1:02:25lined up as a split back. The other one is an h back and
- 1:02:29they both inserted through the line. I don't know, it didn't work very
- 1:02:31well. They put it out there on tape twice, and I'm like,
- 1:02:34this is the weirdest thing I have now ever seen. But like, I
- 1:02:37don't know, We'll see where it goes. I do think we see a
- 1:02:39lot of heavy personnel though, trying to pull the Bills into base. You
- 1:02:43can correct me if I'm wrong. It seems like also Poyer and Hyde have
- 1:02:46maybe lost a little bit of a step from where they have been a little
- 1:02:50bit earlier. They might not be able to cover for some you know,
- 1:02:52less they instellar linebacker play the way they could have, you know three years
- 1:02:57ago when this kind of rivalry really got going. Yeah. Absolutely, they
- 1:03:00each have had moments this year where they look a little long in the tooth
- 1:03:06and like they've lost a step. You know. It's part of the reason
- 1:03:08why I'm very excited for the safety class coming into this draft, like Tyler
- 1:03:13Nuban out of Minnesota and Camp Kitchens from Miami. This conversation for another time,
- 1:03:15but there's some guys that can be had that you know, it's been
- 1:03:20such a position of strength of this Bill's team and they're showing some vulnerability this
- 1:03:23year, and especially coming from trying to fit the run from depth when if
- 1:03:30you're slow or your angle is off and you're in higher employed. Neither of
- 1:03:34them, even in their prime, neither of them have been like speed merchants
- 1:03:37or the most fleet of foot. The thing is they're processing is so good
- 1:03:40and their angles are the football have been so good that it makes up for
- 1:03:45like lack of foot speed. And the issue with now is they've each slowed
- 1:03:47down a little bit and their angles aren't as always pristine. And when you've
- 1:03:52slowed down that much, you have to be on point coming from depth because
- 1:03:55you don't have the speed or the athleticism to make up for improper angle fitting
- 1:04:00from depth. And so that's hurt the Bills from a run defense standpoint.
- 1:04:03And I also to add to your gap point, I would run gap all
- 1:04:06day against the Buffalo Bills. One. There's still this one there as a
- 1:04:12defense are a one gap penetrating front in terms of trying to like get up
- 1:04:17field and cause havoc and really attack and try and cause issues in the backfield.
- 1:04:23It's the reason they're one of like they're a really good defense from a
- 1:04:27tough percentage standpoint, Like, they get gouged, they give up yards after
- 1:04:30contact, they give up a lot of yards per attempt. They'll misstackles,
- 1:04:33but then they'll knock you down on first down and put you in second and
- 1:04:36thirteen second and fourteen second and twelve and get you behind the sticks. That's
- 1:04:40their whole piece. But if you can catch them at the right moment,
- 1:04:43you can gouge them with a gap run. And that combined with their vulnerability
- 1:04:47at linebacker, I'm pulling linemen all day. I am adding and removing gaps,
- 1:04:51and I am making Dorian Williams process that I am making safeties have to
- 1:04:56fit from the second level or the third level. To try and figure that
- 1:04:59out. I am testing, you know, Tyrrell Dodson's integrity from a run
- 1:05:02fit standpoint. And all of that, coupled with Daikwon Jones being out for
- 1:05:06this Bill's team, they've had to walk a safety down more in terms of
- 1:05:11putting another man in the box to regularly fit the run. They've had to
- 1:05:14gap out more than they've been able to just regularly sit with their light boxes
- 1:05:16or nickel defense pieces. So I like that point. I like that.
- 1:05:19My next one is short and sweet and very niche, not too niche,
- 1:05:25but who wins on third down? So there are a lot of fun third
- 1:05:29down pieces for both of these offense. Both offenses, Bills and Chiefs,
- 1:05:32are tremendous in a third down capacity. Bill's offenses first in third down conversion
- 1:05:39percentage at forty nine point six' eight, so almost fifty percent. The
- 1:05:42Chiefs are at fourth at forty seven point zero two, so almost at fifty
- 1:05:46percent themselves. But when you look at the numbers, so start with the
- 1:05:50Chiefs third down defense, they are thirteenth in conversion percentage allowed at thirty eight
- 1:05:56percent. They're a very good third down defense over all. Those seventh and
- 1:06:00EPA per play, second in EPA per play versus the path, tenth versus
- 1:06:05the past tenth, and overall success rate. But here's where where it differs,
- 1:06:10so versus the pass and the run. Similar to what they are overall
- 1:06:12as a defense on third downs, their seventh in drop back EPA and their
- 1:06:16third in drop back success rate versus the run, they're twenty eighth in the
- 1:06:20EPA and thirty first in run success rate. You jux suppose that with the
- 1:06:25Bills offense on third downs, they crush everything. They're second in EPA per
- 1:06:29play, second in success rate, fifth and drop back EPA fourth and drop
- 1:06:32back success rate, but then fourth and rushing EPA and third in rushing success
- 1:06:38rate. So if you are the Bills offense, it's a bit of a
- 1:06:40strength versus strength when it comes to your pass game versus the Chiefs pass defense
- 1:06:44on third down, much as it is the overall battle on that side of
- 1:06:47the ball, but they have a big advantage on the ground versus the Chiefs
- 1:06:50run defense when it comes to third down, and then flip to the Kansas
- 1:06:55City third down offense again. Fourth and third down conversion percentage of forty seven
- 1:06:59per overall is an offense. They do everything very well on third down.
- 1:07:02They're fifth and EPA per play, fifth and success rate sixth and drop back
- 1:07:05EPA tenth and drop back success rate, second in rushing EPA, second in
- 1:07:12rushing success rate, So they're a good running team on third down. JUX
- 1:07:15suppose that with the Bills third down defense, they're very good against the run
- 1:07:19on third down first in rushing success rate, second in rushing EPA, but
- 1:07:25twenty seventh in drop back success rate, nineteenth in drop back EPA. So
- 1:07:29on the other side of the ball, with the Chiefs offense instead of with
- 1:07:31the Bills offense verus Chiefs defense. It's strength for strength pass versus pass Chiefs
- 1:07:35offense Bills defense. It's strengths ver strength run versus the run on third downs,
- 1:07:41but the Chiefs had the advantage with the passing attack. Both of them,
- 1:07:44obviously are two very good third down offenses, and situational football matters so
- 1:07:48much so I look at that third down battle. Who can extend drives,
- 1:07:51who can add drives and add possessions with both of these offenses that are trying
- 1:07:57to find their footing, trying to find their way and do all these things.
- 1:08:00If you have more possessions, obviously it goes a longer way. And
- 1:08:02then both defenses having some vulnerability. So I think who wins that third down
- 1:08:05battle goes a very long way before this game in this conversation that makes sense.
- 1:08:11I'm surprised because I hadn't looked it up. I'm surprised that Chiefs have
- 1:08:14been so good this year on third down conversions because it really seems like a
- 1:08:17slog for them, Like it seems difficult for them to convert them. Everything's
- 1:08:21tricky, and I wonder how much of it has just become Patrick homes scrambles
- 1:08:26at times. I wonder how much of it is playing from when they can't
- 1:08:29get ahead of the sticks, Like against the Packers this past week, there
- 1:08:32was the first two times that I can recall in a month to where they
- 1:08:35had a significant negative play that they were able to overcome and convert. You
- 1:08:40set it downs like. They have been really bad at that this year,
- 1:08:43despite being so good at it throughout, you know, the past couple of
- 1:08:46seasons. So I'm very surprised that that was the case. But it's good
- 1:08:50news there. The Chiefs really struggle to run on third and short. It's
- 1:08:54been these past couple games where it's really gotten a lot better, and so
- 1:08:57like the stats there bared out that they've been pretty good at it. But
- 1:08:59to start the year they're rushing EPA on just about any down and distance.
- 1:09:02It was really bad. They've gotten back into some straightforward, you know,
- 1:09:06getting downhill behind Trey Smith to run the football. That's where their success comes
- 1:09:10in on third and short when they have to run it, when they have
- 1:09:13to throw, it's all about finding Travis Kelce or Patrick Mahomes scrambling right,
- 1:09:16and so the Bills have to make sure they find eighty seven, then contain
- 1:09:20fifteen. If you do that, you live with anybody else picking up a
- 1:09:24first down for the Chiefs. You were more than happy to see anybody else
- 1:09:27pick up that first down. If you can contain fifteen, if you can
- 1:09:30get guys with eyes on eighty seven, you have a really good chance.
- 1:09:33And flip side. I mean, like I said, flip side on that.
- 1:09:36The Bills versus the Chiefs on third down, that's where I think this
- 1:09:40game comes down to. I think the Chiefs defense will need stops. The
- 1:09:43Chiefs offense a don't feel like puts up a ton of points. They just
- 1:09:45haven't this year. That hasn't been their goal. They're gonna need stops.
- 1:09:48This defense is going to have to play a big role. They will have
- 1:09:51to force some third and longs and then get off the field in those situations.
- 1:09:56And the Bills are very good at converting down, Like you said that
- 1:09:58the best in the NFL. That down right there, Chiefs defense, Bill's
- 1:10:01offense third downs, that's probably where this game gets decided. And I tie
- 1:10:05it back a little bit too. You know, the points you brought up
- 1:10:08earlier with the blitz pieces when you talked about Jacksonville in New England and Denver
- 1:10:11and what those defenses did, like when the Bills struggled in those games on
- 1:10:14third downs. Again, that's why I brought up that Jags point. They
- 1:10:17went in third and longs and Mike Caldwell got creative with his blitz packages and
- 1:10:21what he was doing, and the Chiefs defense. If you get into third
- 1:10:25and lungs and you get into predictable, known passing situations and you allow Steve
- 1:10:29Spagnola to be like, oh sweet, like it's third and nine again,
- 1:10:32cool, I'm gonna bring a look that you have no idea what's happening.
- 1:10:34Oh, you think it's like single high and you think we're rushing four.
- 1:10:39Oh, we're rushing five and it's a five you did not think. And
- 1:10:42we're also spinning too something else on the back end, and it's just like,
- 1:10:44ah, crap. And then you're trying to diagnose it, you're caught
- 1:10:46like it just plays into their ability even further let alone, like again,
- 1:10:51third downs in a vacuum and the statistical pieces we talked about from a schematic
- 1:10:56piece, like we've said like you just cannot allow Spags to get cooking in
- 1:10:59that way. We've seen defenses give on and this offense problems when they get
- 1:11:03into those third and longs and known situations and allow these creative, design minded
- 1:11:08defensive coordinators to get into these pressure and or coverage packages where they are disguising
- 1:11:14looks and just making you hold the ball and add beats or get in to
- 1:11:16you. And when you talk about spags, they're getting in his bag.
- 1:11:20You can go watch the Chiefs versus the Eagles. The Chiefs reduce the Eagles
- 1:11:24offense to QB draws and screen games, like that's literally all they They had
- 1:11:28zero answer for how to block up the triefs pressure, whether it was simulated,
- 1:11:32whether they brought people actually, okay, let's be taking back. The
- 1:11:34Chiefs brought Trip McDuffie what felt like seventy five percent of plays against the Eagles,
- 1:11:40and they've never had a run for free runner everything. For all these
- 1:11:43This is Jason Kelsey, who's the best singer in the league. He could
- 1:11:45not figure out how to get this stuff called up right to have somebody,
- 1:11:48you know, to get it blocked up, Like if Steve Spagnol is rolling
- 1:11:51if they are getting good looks, if he is not having to go out
- 1:11:56of his way to defend the run to make sure it can happen, and
- 1:11:58he does get rolling. He has put so many offenses so far on their
- 1:12:01heels that their offense can't function. So yeah, you get third and long.
- 1:12:05I know you had said earlier the Bills offensive line have been playing better.
- 1:12:08They definitely have been, but it doesn't matter if you can't get the
- 1:12:12right guys blocked up. And more than a couple of games this year,
- 1:12:15there's been multiple offensive lines that have had zero prayer on figuring out how to
- 1:12:19account for all of the Chiefs guys coming on the pressure. Trent McDuffie's been
- 1:12:24the guy that's like excelled the most, that's made the most waves doing that.
- 1:12:27It'll be interesting to see how he has a very small corner can get
- 1:12:30Josh Allen to the ground. He's one of the better tacklers in the league.
- 1:12:33He's phenomenal at it. But Josh Allen's a big dude, and Trim
- 1:12:38mcdubmy is not a big dude. So even if as a free run,
- 1:12:41there's no guarantee he gets out into the ground. But like yeah, can't.
- 1:12:44You can't let spags get rolling, especially if you want to win on
- 1:12:46third downs, because he will make it very difficult on his own. And
- 1:12:49that right side of the ball, the Spencer Brown Osirius Torrens pairing at right
- 1:12:54tackle and right guard, respectively, that is the side that you can game
- 1:12:57up. It could be as simple as a two man game and you tackle,
- 1:13:00or you're bringing a delayed blitz or it's a simulated or a creeper,
- 1:13:02and you let that free runner come. But then your point. Yet,
- 1:13:04if defree runner gets into the backfield, can they bring down Josh Allen,
- 1:13:09I like it. I like it all right, your last point to bring
- 1:13:12it all home, Matt. The floor is yours. Godspeed, This is
- 1:13:15not this one is not technical and whatsoever. This game every year has a
- 1:13:20lot of meaning to both these teams, right, it matters. I would
- 1:13:24push back, and I don't mean to diminish it. But when the Chiefs
- 1:13:27play the Bills in the regular season, they just they don't care that much.
- 1:13:30They want to win the game, but they don't care if they lose
- 1:13:33because they know they're going to see them again and they're gonna have an entirely
- 1:13:36different game plan because, like I said, Andy Reid keeps it pretty vanilla
- 1:13:40verse teams he expects to see. Again. I know, I'm not saying
- 1:13:43the game doesn't matter, but those regular season wins against the Chiefs, from
- 1:13:46Bengals, from Bills, from anybody they have see, it's just kind of
- 1:13:50a shrug of the shoulder. I don't know about this year. The Chiefs
- 1:13:54need something to start clicking. They're sending four losses. They are out of
- 1:13:58the first seed. The race in the AFC West isn't close, but it's
- 1:14:01not locked up like it usually is by this point in time. They could
- 1:14:05really use a win. They could get something roll. They probably need a
- 1:14:10good showing here to feel really confident heading into the playoff push flip side,
- 1:14:14the Bills are playing for a playoff spot again coming out of the bye week.
- 1:14:17Right, It's gonna be hard to drop this game and still see a
- 1:14:20path to get to the playoffs without you know, having to play lights out
- 1:14:24football the rest of the way. Right, So both these teams need this
- 1:14:28game for a different reason. I wonder how that plays out on the field.
- 1:14:31The loser of this game is gonna go one and two in their last
- 1:14:34three games. At the you know, like around Thanksgiving into December. That's
- 1:14:39not a stretch that you expect out of two teams that were probably top four
- 1:14:43Super Bowl favorites coming into the year. So like it's just this game means
- 1:14:46a lot from both sides. I'm interesting to see how it plays it out.
- 1:14:49Will I be completely shocked if the Chiefs come out and just run all
- 1:14:54their basic you know, day one, day two install stuff on offense Ormandy,
- 1:14:57No, I won't be shocked. I just don't know if I expect
- 1:15:00this year like I have in years past. I love that point, like
- 1:15:02we talked about in the lead in coming in, like there's a different feel
- 1:15:05to this game. And it's different because again, usually it's about playoff seating
- 1:15:11and competing, you know for that top spot in the AFC home field advantage.
- 1:15:14Now it's more for the Bills, it's survival and for the Chiefs it's
- 1:15:17about like, well we have to get right and kind of like see what's
- 1:15:20going on. Like it's just so funny how the nature of the conversation of
- 1:15:25this game has changed, but the importance is still there, just in a
- 1:15:28different way, Like it's just shifted a little bit. For what you're looking
- 1:15:30for. I love that point. It's something like I've just been thinking about
- 1:15:33all week and didn't officially not it, but I love that. I like
- 1:15:35that a lot. Yeah, we'll see the Bills having that bye week is
- 1:15:40also like an interesting nugget that like really could be talked about in and of
- 1:15:43itself, like what have they done with that extra week of preparation against a
- 1:15:46team that last year and that Week five matchup or whatever it was. They
- 1:15:50came out and they ran that odd mirror package, that three man rush with
- 1:15:55that aggressive spy in Matt Milanal that Georgia does a bunch of different version or
- 1:15:58variation of it. They used it close out the game. They mixed it
- 1:16:01with split field coverages to get that interception on Mahomes to end the game.
- 1:16:05Like they came out with a very tailor made game plan for the Kansas City
- 1:16:11Chiefs, like they pulled things out that are not in their defensive repertoire.
- 1:16:15They also had the advantage of having Von Miller at that time, who is
- 1:16:17a I don't even want to say shell of himself, and also off the
- 1:16:20field things aside, like even when he's on the field just is not impactful
- 1:16:26in any way, shape or form at this point, so that alters things.
- 1:16:29But they had a very game plan specific matchup for the Chiefs this year,
- 1:16:32and I wonder, so, you know, you're talking about from a
- 1:16:34Kansas City perspective, what do they bust out. I'm also wondering that a
- 1:16:36little bit from the Bills perspective as well, because they had a very this
- 1:16:41is the game plan for the Chiefs. This isn't what we do every week.
- 1:16:44This is what we're doing for Kansas City. I wonder how much of
- 1:16:46that do we see? How many you know, different formational calls alignments on
- 1:16:50either side of the all, but especially defensively, what do they pull out
- 1:16:54that they've been saving or keeping in the holster for Kansas City week? Because
- 1:16:57again, you got to empty to clip at this point, you can't keep
- 1:17:00anything in Kansas City is in the same spot, like you want that playoff
- 1:17:02seating piece. That's another one too. Mahomes has never played in a road
- 1:17:06playoff game, which is ridiculous. And right now I can't believe Miami's in
- 1:17:12first, like they have not beaten any good at all. It's a whole
- 1:17:14other conversation. But yeah, you're sitting there and if you go down to
- 1:17:17eight and five, is Baltimore ahead of you? Buy? How many games
- 1:17:20is Miami ahead of you? Buy? How many games? Jacksonville looks like
- 1:17:24they may have avoided disaster with Trevor Lawrence being made a rubber, but still
- 1:17:28like what happens with them? Like now you're looking at are we the three
- 1:17:30seed? Or are we the four seed? Can we get to the two?
- 1:17:32Can we get to the one? Like I would rather have that conversation
- 1:17:35that what the Bills are having, But still it's an important piece. Oh
- 1:17:40all right, Yeah, it's like what you said there too, and that's
- 1:17:42a big part. Like in years past I can always rely on as a
- 1:17:45Chiefs fan, like when they if they lose a specially again, especially AFC
- 1:17:47teams, a lot of teams do curate a game specific game plan against the
- 1:17:51Chiefs because they've been at the top for a while. And this isn't like
- 1:17:54making excuses, but you can tell when teams come out with a lot of
- 1:17:58stuff specifically designed to attack the Chiefs, and that's where they find success.
- 1:18:01And the Chiefs just kind of go out there and do their thing. And
- 1:18:03then you get to the playoffs and Andy Reid cooks up so much stuff that
- 1:18:08is designed entirely. You can just tell. There's such a stark difference between
- 1:18:11the regular season Chiefs game plan that's like, this is what we do here
- 1:18:14it is, and the playoffs of this is designed to beat you. And
- 1:18:17the Bills don't get that version of the Chiefs in the regular season because the
- 1:18:20Chiefs expect to play them again. The Bengals don't get it. The Jaguars
- 1:18:25don't get it from them, like they're not giving that game plan in the
- 1:18:28regular season. However, sitting here at eight and four, at the risk
- 1:18:30of going, you know, two games down to the number one seed,
- 1:18:33at the risk of letting the Broncos if they win, pull with an at
- 1:18:36least striking distance in the AFC West after already splitting with them, I wonder
- 1:18:41if you see it narrow little bit. I wonder if you see them kind
- 1:18:43of open it back, peel back the curtain a little bit, try to
- 1:18:46do more because they're basic, this is what we do. Offense doesn't score
- 1:18:50points this year, like they can't even expect to score points really with what
- 1:18:55they've done so far. This is so I really do wonder if you get
- 1:18:57a different regular season chiefs look or not maybe not. Maybe it's the same
- 1:19:00old, same old, and it's like, well, we'll get them in
- 1:19:03the playoff time. But I just I really wonder if they try to open
- 1:19:06it up, and that would be very abnormal and for Andy Reid, I
- 1:19:11love that point. I wanted one comment on and then I'm gonna move to
- 1:19:14mind like that talking about what Kansas City does in the playoffs of like having
- 1:19:17specific game plan teams specific game plans that are different from the regular season.
- 1:19:21It's been the opposite for the Bills. The Bills have gotten in the playoffs
- 1:19:25have been like, well, we are who we are, let's go out
- 1:19:28and do it. And it's cost them, like they've been gamed up and
- 1:19:30attacked by Cincinnati, by Kansas City at different points, like because teams have
- 1:19:35their entire season on tape and they know who they are and they're able to
- 1:19:39attack them and get them. And so it's funny seeing like the kind of
- 1:19:41difference in you know, philosophy, and also how that's led to you know,
- 1:19:44potentially one team maybe having some super Bowls and the other one still not
- 1:19:47conversation for another time. My last point here, my third matchup piece very
- 1:19:51niche, well not too niche, but again, horrible title. But can
- 1:19:57the Bills defense stop their lack of second half adjustments? So the Bills defense
- 1:20:02has been basically a tail of two halves for the majority of the season.
- 1:20:06So oh, just so, I'm gonna give first half numbers versus second half
- 1:20:12numbers. And again, I don't mean half of the season. I mean
- 1:20:14quarters one and two versus quarters three and four. Just I put that.
- 1:20:16I put something on Twitter like that earlier today and people got a little confused
- 1:20:19by the verbage. So again, first half quarters one and two versus second
- 1:20:23half quarters three and four. The first number I'm going to give is for
- 1:20:26the first half. The second number I'm gonna give us for the second half.
- 1:20:29So first, still, we'll start here. First half. Bills are
- 1:20:31sixth overall at defensively sixth in overall success rate. Second half they're twenty seventh.
- 1:20:38First half. They're second in rushing EPA. Second half they're twenty ninth.
- 1:20:44First half. They're first in rushing success rate. Second half they're twenty
- 1:20:47seventh. First half. They are first in EPA per rush. Second half
- 1:20:53they are twenty sixth. First half they are first in positive play percentage versus
- 1:20:58the run. Second half they are nine nineteenth in positive play percentage versus the
- 1:21:01run. So overall defensive success rate they drop from sixth to twenty seventh in
- 1:21:06the second half, and then the rush stats are crazy from second to twenty
- 1:21:10ninth in rushing EPA from first to twenty seventh, and rushing success rate.
- 1:21:14It's been terrible. The Eagles numbers speak to it hugely. The Eagles just
- 1:21:17ran the ball down the Bill's throat in the second half in that game,
- 1:21:19really turned the tide. But now I say that to bring to another piece
- 1:21:24because you think, oh, man, like, what did the Chiefs second
- 1:21:27half numbers look like on offense? Oh, I would love to tell you.
- 1:21:30So it's kind of a bit of like the uh, unstoppable force versus
- 1:21:35the immovable object. But both are bad. So again, these are just
- 1:21:40second half numbers for both both teams. Bills again twenty seventh in overall success
- 1:21:45rate on defense, Chiefs offense twenty first, Bill's defense twenty ninth, and
- 1:21:49rushing EPA in the second half Chiefs offense twenty seventh, Bill's defense twenty seventh.
- 1:21:56In rushing success rate in the second half, Chiefs offense twenty ninth,
- 1:22:00Bill's defense twenty sixth, in EPA per rush, Chiefs offense eleventh in EPA
- 1:22:06per rush not bad, Bill's defense nineteenth, and positive play percentage versus the
- 1:22:12run Chiefs offense twentieth, Other Chiefs offensive metrics in the second half seventeenth in
- 1:22:17EPA per play sixteenth, and drop back EPA twelfth in drop back success rate.
- 1:22:23Overall, the Chiefs have been mad to black in the second half,
- 1:22:27and the area in the Bills yeah, not great. And the area in
- 1:22:30which the Bills have struggled the most in the second half i e. Versus
- 1:22:33the run that the Chiefs are bad there too, So it's bad versus bad
- 1:22:38because the Chiefs have struggled to run the ball in the second half. And
- 1:22:41in a game where everyone keeps you know, not even everyone, but like
- 1:22:46a story of the season, like you keep harping on this Chief's offense,
- 1:22:48and who do do they have besides Mahomes and Kelsey? Who else can be
- 1:22:53something for a game? It cannot be Mbs? Can it be Skymore?
- 1:22:56Is it you know the run game with Pacheco? Or does McKinnon do something
- 1:22:59or you know who it is? The offensive line. I'm just and all
- 1:23:01this talk is about the past game. I'm sitting here saying, well,
- 1:23:04just run the ball in the second half and you'll be fine, Like,
- 1:23:06don't even worry about the past. Lean on your offensive line, play to
- 1:23:09a weakness of the Bills and gouge them. But that weakness for the Bills
- 1:23:13is also a weakness for the Chiefs. So which one gives? Do either
- 1:23:16of them give? Do the Chiefs just lean into their pass and lean into
- 1:23:21the Bill what the Bills do on defense? Because the Bills also drop a
- 1:23:25bit from a metric perspective in the past and the second half, but nowhere
- 1:23:28close to what they do against the run. The Bills defense has failed to
- 1:23:31make second half adjustments. We broke this down with tape last week in the
- 1:23:35film room. I've talked about it on the show before. They have not
- 1:23:38been a good second half adjustment team. Andy Reid obviously a very good in
- 1:23:42game adjusting coach. On that side of the ball, Where do they adjust,
- 1:23:46how do they adjust? How do the Bills answer? Do they answer?
- 1:23:50What do they do? And again, all wrapped up in that is
- 1:23:55I just I really want everybody to grasp, like to go from sixth in
- 1:23:59success rate to twenty seventh and then second in rushing EPA to twenty ninth,
- 1:24:03first in rushing success rate to then twenty seventh. That is awful. But
- 1:24:08the Chiefs's crazy, it's awful. It's really horrible, like they literally fall
- 1:24:12on a cliff. But the Chiefs can't run the ball in the second half,
- 1:24:15so it doesn't really matter anyway. And this isn't just volume stats or
- 1:24:17numbers like this is representative of who these teams are on each side of the
- 1:24:20ball. So does one of those things give? Do neither give? Is
- 1:24:25it just everybody button heads against the brick wall and then turnover makes the difference.
- 1:24:30It's this sneaky little play or sneaky little niche aspect wrapped up in the
- 1:24:33bigger conversation of adjustments and philosophy and identity and all that. Oh, you're
- 1:24:39way better than niche. For Chiefs fans, there was a stretch there where
- 1:24:42the Chiefs literally could it had scored, hadn't scored in the second half,
- 1:24:45like three straight games, they had scored less points in the second half of
- 1:24:48games than they were and like almost every single game that was coming up,
- 1:24:53like first half like they had been terrible for a stretch in the second half
- 1:24:56and there was no rhyme or reason. Their best quarter in terms of score
- 1:25:00or EPA per play has been the second quarter. So it's not even the
- 1:25:01scripted play the Andy that was lighting it up in the first half. It
- 1:25:05was coming out of that. It was their first series, it was their
- 1:25:08first two series. After the scripted plays, they made the adjustments to what
- 1:25:12they saw or they saw what they needed. Then they went out and scored
- 1:25:15and then coming out of halftime flat on their face, flat on their face,
- 1:25:18flat on their face. The past two weeks, both weeks they've scored
- 1:25:21fourteen seventeen points in the second half. I know, it's just you know,
- 1:25:25points, it's not as detailed, but like they have slightly found some
- 1:25:29rhythm in the second half. They have found a way to put points up
- 1:25:31in the second half these last two games that they hadn't really done. I
- 1:25:34actually they probably went back to the Eagles game a little bit too. So
- 1:25:38they're slowly figuring it out. But it's not the same in the past.
- 1:25:41Like in the past when the Chiefs didn't score in the second half, it's
- 1:25:44because they were coasting and taking their foot off the gas. They didn't need
- 1:25:46to. Now this year they need to score and they can't very often.
- 1:25:50They can't run a you know, functional in rhythm offense. So it's it's
- 1:25:55interesting to see hear those Bill splits, and like you said, it's a
- 1:25:58very movable object, you know, coming up against the most stoppable force here,
- 1:26:01and we'll see what happens. The thing is, at the end of
- 1:26:04the day, good offense usually beats good defense. I think the Bills can
- 1:26:10play a good offense. So the Chiefs are gonna have to put up points
- 1:26:12that you can't sit back and say your defense is gonna win this game.
- 1:26:15You can't go in with the Eagles game plan and think you're gonna shut them
- 1:26:18down for the most part or slow them down enough that a bad offense or
- 1:26:23bad, you know, marginal offensive performance is going to keep pace. That
- 1:26:27just can't be the expectation. They're gonna have to have some answers. They're
- 1:26:30gonna have to continue to score points from the first quarter to the fourth.
- 1:26:33Thankfully, the Bills might try to help them. It's just they can't get
- 1:26:36out of their own way sometimes in the second half. So it's kind of
- 1:26:39like who's gonna break out of their shell in the good way there, because
- 1:26:43that that is a that is a good one to watch. It's not easy
- 1:26:45and it's also funny too, like because whoever, like if they win one
- 1:26:48in that way, like like if the Chiefs do well in the second half,
- 1:26:51like, don't sit there and be like everything is fixed. It's like,
- 1:26:54no, the Bills suck in the second half. And then the same
- 1:26:57for the Bills that the Bills defense does really well on the second half,
- 1:26:59everybody gonna be like mcdermoy fixed it, We're good. It's like, no,
- 1:27:01the Chiefs are awful in the second half too, so you got to
- 1:27:03like see more going for it. Yeah, it's an interesting little niche piece
- 1:27:08again tying to that bigger picture and overall aspect of where both of these teams
- 1:27:11are again coming in the Chiefs eight and four the Bills six and six.
- 1:27:15Matt, I sincerely apologize for keeping you way, way, way too long.
- 1:27:18You got excited in the conversation early. You are tremendous. Go live
- 1:27:21your life, but before you do, tell everybody who we are, what
- 1:27:25you do, where they can find you in case you know they're new to
- 1:27:28earth or whatever. Get the floor. Well, thank you. I always
- 1:27:31enjoy coming to talk ball. Yeah, so I got you know, got
- 1:27:34to slip out of here a little bit, or i'd keep going here so
- 1:27:36you can get mad at me for cutting this one short people listening about this
- 1:27:40matchup. But you know, I work for a company called k CS in
- 1:27:43case Sports Company. We cover all Kansas City based sports. I pretty much
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- 1:28:03the shows we do. We really have a lot of fun talk in football.
- 1:28:06We try to range everywhere from you know, analytics all the way out
- 1:28:11to the film reviews, the x's and o's. We have a bunch of
- 1:28:14different hosts to come on and talk to you guys about it. I love
- 1:28:16to come on here with it and talk to you guys like this is what
- 1:28:18I like to do. This is very much what I appreciate, and so
- 1:28:21I love it. Every time he has me come on and you guys are,
- 1:28:24without a doubt, my favorite non Chiefs fan base in the world.
- 1:28:28I do appreciate you guys. Yeah, you're awesome, Matt. I tell
- 1:28:30everybody all the time, like, even if you're just a Bills fan and
- 1:28:33not a big like football fan, it's always important to stay up on every
- 1:28:36other team in the league. And you and your whole crew there at Casey
- 1:28:42Sports Network, like, you guys do a tremendous job covering the Chiefs.
- 1:28:44And it's not just surface level data or surface level like talking. It is
- 1:28:48legitimate, in depth conversation. It's x's and o's, it's scheme and structure.
- 1:28:53Again, those are the that's the type of content I gravitate towards.
- 1:28:56It's the reason I bring you on the show. You know, Ball,
- 1:28:58I love talking paull with you. It's the reason we got lost in conversation
- 1:29:00for about an hour and a half here. But again, I apologize,
- 1:29:03thank you for accommodating and you know, moving your schedule from last night to
- 1:29:06tonight. Godspeed, enjoy the rest of your Wednesday. I'm sure I'll see
- 1:29:11you over on Twitter and the DMS and everything. I appreciate the hell out
- 1:29:13of you and enjoy the rest of your Wednesday night. Oh, thank you,
- 1:29:15thank you very much. Appreciated. Thirteen seconds on the signe out.
- 1:29:18Oh you're awful? How dare you? How dare you? Oh? Man,
- 1:29:23what a horrible person? Oh damn, well played, well played,
- 1:29:29a huge you know again, Thank you to again Matt for joining He's I
- 1:29:33appreciate you all showing some love for him and the Chay. Yeah, he's
- 1:29:38awesome, Like he just he's He's a really insightful dude and their team is
- 1:29:43great over there at the Casey Sports Network. I know Greg and Aaron have
- 1:29:45Ken Swanson on from Casey Sports Network later tonight. I believe or I'm just
- 1:29:48actually I'm assuming that. Yeah, I know he just snuck that thirteen seconds
- 1:29:55and man, what a jerk. That was well played though I respect him
- 1:29:58for it. Yeah, absolutely tremendous do tremendous brand that they got going on
- 1:30:00over there. They're awesome and he had a lot of insight into this matchup.
- 1:30:04I want to grab some questions from the chat that I started throughout the
- 1:30:09episode that I want to get to now is kind of wrap up here from
- 1:30:13that conversation piece and move towards more just the questions from the chat. I
- 1:30:16want to grab this one from Steve. Steve says the Chiefs that run single
- 1:30:19high safety sixty nine percent of the time this year. Do you guys agree
- 1:30:23that we will see that? We will not see much of that this weekend.
- 1:30:27I think a lot of it's going to be tied to I think box
- 1:30:30counts and coverages is going to be tied to what we see from the Bills
- 1:30:31run game. If the Chiefs think that the Bills run game is a threat,
- 1:30:35they're going to have to walk a safety down. We know, again
- 1:30:39just from what myself and Matt we're talking about, like what the Chiefs are
- 1:30:42from a box perspective. Again, Nick Bolton, if he does play and
- 1:30:45comes back, that helps a lot what they do from a front perspective against
- 1:30:47the run. But the Chiefs defensive line, you know, you have Carl
- 1:30:51Loftis and you've got a mena who and the guys up front, but they
- 1:30:55they're weaker on the interior in that spine, especially a Bolton is out at
- 1:30:58linebacker, but they're weak on the interior of the defensive line. And Chris
- 1:31:00Jones, for as all world as he is, his strength is not as
- 1:31:05a run defender, and when he does make plays against the run, it's
- 1:31:08him you know, knife into the backfield or beating a blocker. He is
- 1:31:11in this person to kind of standing strong and hold at the point of attack
- 1:31:14and make a play or eat a double team, so they are vulnerable from
- 1:31:17that run perspective, you know, again point going back to one of my
- 1:31:20points earlier. So I think if the Bills run game is a threat,
- 1:31:26they will tie that single high safety piece in and actually want to grab I'm
- 1:31:30going to go to the tendency report page here that I have to see some
- 1:31:33more numbers of what they do from a coverage perspective pre snap versus post snap,
- 1:31:38because that's also a key piece to right you Also, you always want
- 1:31:41to see, you know, are they showing single high alignments pre snap or
- 1:31:45are they rotating to them post snap? You know, are they showing too
- 1:31:49high pre snap versus you know what they're actually rolling on the back end post
- 1:31:56snap? Is it a shell initially versus an actual coverge once to play happens.
- 1:32:00And that's part of what you get with that Chiefs defense, just in
- 1:32:04terms of never knowing really what they're going to do or who they're going to
- 1:32:08be or where they're going to go. They just throw a lot at you,
- 1:32:10and a lot of it is a testament to again Steve Spagnolo and what
- 1:32:14he does. Let me pull some numbers here, So from a so I
- 1:32:19don't have Steve, I don't know where those numbers came from. I have
- 1:32:23somewhat different numbers here that I'm pulling up from SIS. So pre snap,
- 1:32:30single high coverages or single high alignment pre snap that one high shell I have
- 1:32:34that thirty five percent of the time, and then single high coverages post snap
- 1:32:39I have that as thirty one percent of the time. For the Chiefs defense,
- 1:32:43they're actually one of the leaders in two high safety looks, so middle
- 1:32:46of the field open coverages, your cover two, your cover four, your
- 1:32:49cover six's man in zone, you know, could be cover two man,
- 1:32:53cover two zone whatever. Fifty one percent of the time they are in those
- 1:32:57two high safety looks post snap, which is the second most. I thought
- 1:33:00that sixty nine percent seemed a little high, but we'll see what they do
- 1:33:04in this game. And comment here from Iota saying, also, if Bolton
- 1:33:08doesn't play with tranquil out and cook out, it'll most likely hamstring. What
- 1:33:12Spags is comfortable calling. Yeah, we'll see you know how comfortable he is
- 1:33:15with whoever is able to step up potentially. There Like that comment and thank
- 1:33:19you for the comment, Steve, appreciate it. Carl's comment, Well,
- 1:33:24the game hinge upon whether James Cook or Isaia Pacheco has the better game or
- 1:33:28will we see a battle of the qbs. I like this one because it
- 1:33:30tied to again my point or one of my points earlier. I just think
- 1:33:35it's going to come down to the quarterbacks. Right at the end of the
- 1:33:38day. It'll come down to Alm make him play or Mahomes making a play
- 1:33:41potentially large scale, but I think more in a vacuum for me, I
- 1:33:45really think the team that wins this game is the team that's able to run
- 1:33:47the ball. Now, again, that doesn't mean that they're going to run
- 1:33:50it thirty times and only past a ten or something like that. But I
- 1:33:54think the team that wins this game is the team that has more consistency and
- 1:33:57success on the ground, because what does for each of these quarterbacks. If
- 1:34:00the Chiefs can run the ball, it opens up so much for Patrick Mahomes
- 1:34:04and their offense, and an offense that is struggling from a rhythm standpoint,
- 1:34:10from a consistency standpoint, again, everything that we got into with Matt earlier.
- 1:34:13And if the Bills can run the ball, it just adds this layer
- 1:34:16that they're able to stack and build upon that ties into their passing attack in
- 1:34:20a different way. That leads to just so much ease and explosivity for this
- 1:34:25offense. So I do think, I don't think it necessarily. It doesn't
- 1:34:29have to necessarily be James Cook for the Bills or Pacheco for the Chiefs,
- 1:34:32although it probably will be Pacheco if they're running the ball successfully, could be
- 1:34:36mcinnon or cy maybe Ceh you know, finally becomes who he was destined to
- 1:34:40be. I guess, But I do think whoever has the better run game
- 1:34:44is the team that will win this game, Chiefs or Bills. Whoever has
- 1:34:47the better run game will win this game. This comment earlier from Wyota saying
- 1:34:53ant always kin Kaid lived up to his draft position to you really enjoying watching
- 1:34:59him play. I'm enjoying watching him play. I don't know. I never
- 1:35:02judge anybody on their first year, any rookie. I always I do the
- 1:35:08three year rule, Like you really have to wait three years until you make
- 1:35:11a concrete decision, no matter how good they look early on or how bad
- 1:35:14they look early on. I always give that three year rule late first round
- 1:35:17picks. I know they're still a first rounder, but I never know what
- 1:35:20to make of immediate impact, especially depending on position. I will say,
- 1:35:25just from a look standpoint, I think King Kaid has been impressive, right.
- 1:35:29I think he's been, you know, arguably the second or third most
- 1:35:34dangerous weapon from a weekend and week out standpoint on this Bill's offense from a
- 1:35:39pass standpoint, after Stefan Diggs, you know Diggs, and then the emergence
- 1:35:43of Kincaid and Secure this year has been a really nice piece from an overall
- 1:35:45like weapons standpoint for this offense. I think so. In terms of his
- 1:35:49production, I think, yeah, like I'm seeing a lot of value from
- 1:35:54him coming at the end of that first round. I mean with the path
- 1:35:56that he's on, he's on path to you know, set a bunch of
- 1:35:58records for Bills tight ends as a rookie. And you know not that the
- 1:36:01Bills have had a ton of great no tight ends in their history. No
- 1:36:03dispect anybody that's played tight end for the Bills. But I think he's lived
- 1:36:08up to expectation thus far and again as a rookie, Like it's a hard
- 1:36:11position to break into and make an impact as a rookie tight end. There's
- 1:36:14so much this asked of you from the pass game and from the run game.
- 1:36:16So there's a lot mentally in addition to the physical element of the game
- 1:36:20and adjusting to the NFL. But you know, like you, I'm enjoying
- 1:36:25watching him play and I do think, I do think he's lived up to
- 1:36:28the to the draft position. Again, this is somebody who immediately saw snaps
- 1:36:30out of the gate and then Dawson Knox went down with injury and he kind
- 1:36:34of seamlessly stepped in and added another element and layer to this passing attack.
- 1:36:39So yeah, I think as a late round or a late round, as
- 1:36:42a late first round pick, yeah, I think he's lived up to the
- 1:36:45draft position in somebody that you can, you know, expect good things for
- 1:36:47weekend and week out. And again saying that he's arguably been the second or
- 1:36:53third, you know, best option in the passing attack since he's really became
- 1:36:56like the tight end one with Knox being out, being second or third.
- 1:37:00It's not because the bills are devoid of you know, weapons at one or
- 1:37:04two. It's because Digs is digs and Shakira is played well at times like
- 1:37:08it's so Kinka being in that conversation isn't by default because there's no one ahead
- 1:37:13of him. It's more a testament to what he's done and how he's played.
- 1:37:15So Yeah, I think he's lived up to his draft position thus far.
- 1:37:19I like what he's done. I think it was again a good pick
- 1:37:23in the moment. I think it's a good pick down or a good pick
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- 1:39:30at it. Yeah, I keep feeling this RJ setate here. You know
- 1:39:32that casey wide receiver group of making saying catches and not drop a single pass
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- 1:39:40has struggle. I could see this being a game, yeah, where he
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- 1:39:45balls out somewhere, or sky Moore has like nine catches for like one hundred
- 1:39:48and twenty one yards, or just somebody comes out of the woodwork that has
- 1:39:53has been struggling. And you know that's all that gets talked about on the
- 1:39:56broadcast is man like Timmy came into this game with only five career catches and
- 1:40:01he's got seventy two catches in the first quarter, or just something. You're
- 1:40:04just like, dude, really like, why is this happening in this game?
- 1:40:08I know the chief struggles, you know, you see him on tape,
- 1:40:10you see him in the metrics. From an offensive standpoint, you know,
- 1:40:13this defense is still very much, you know, not to be trifled
- 1:40:16with at all. But you know, for as much as they've had their
- 1:40:19struggles and had their woes as an offense and as a football team, you
- 1:40:23know that potential is there. And again we talked about it as much with
- 1:40:25Matt earlier. You know, you have Mahomes, you have Kelsey, you
- 1:40:28have a really good offensive line, you have Andy Reid and even though the
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- 1:40:36you want to use. Even though they haven't been up to snuff this year,
- 1:40:39you know that potential is still there in some degree even with just something
- 1:40:43as simple as you know, Rashi Rice and is really good straight line vertical
- 1:40:46speed. I don't know, do they run like a little tunnel screen or
- 1:40:48smoke screen to them and the Bills get caught in a blitz or get caught
- 1:40:53out over pursuing and all Rashie Rice has to do is use is really fast
- 1:40:56straight line vertical speed and get up field and house one for like sixty yards.
- 1:41:00Like there's all these little elements that they have. And with the way
- 1:41:02this Bill season has gone from a snake bit perspective, I hate to kind
- 1:41:05of lean into that, but yeah, it just seems like, man,
- 1:41:09somebody could easily, you know, break out for an offense that's been stuck
- 1:41:12in neutral and stuck in the mud. Like I could see somebody just balling
- 1:41:15out and doing a lot of craziness in this game. But we will see
- 1:41:18what happens as we go forward in this game. With that being said,
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