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Sharri |19 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening. Major breaking news tonight. The leadership spill is
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Speaker 3: on in.
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Speaker 4: New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: Kelly Sloane is tipped to be the Liberal leader as
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Speaker 3: soon as tomorrow night. I'll bring you exclusive details in
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Speaker 3: a moment. The explosive Epstein files are now set to
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Speaker 3: be released, but they're already tearing apart the Maga movement.
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Speaker 3: We'll get the latest from the US. Also on the show,
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Speaker 3: Dave Sharma demands answers from Tony Burke on why the
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Speaker 3: family of an Iranian general was given a visa despite
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Speaker 3: the IIGC now being listed as a terror group. Sharma
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Speaker 3: will be here soon and Saudi Crown Prince seeks to
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Speaker 3: join the Abraham Accords.
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Speaker 4: But at what price.
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Speaker 3: We'll get more from Inatwilf shortly first tonight in exclusive
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Speaker 3: breaking news, it is on. Kelly Sloane is set to
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Speaker 3: be the new leader of the New South Wales Liberal.
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Speaker 4: Party by Friday morning.
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Speaker 3: My sources tell me this leadership transition is likely to
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Speaker 3: unfold in a similar fashion to Victoria. Opposition leader Mark
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Speaker 3: Speakman is expected to be tapped on the shoulders soon,
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Speaker 3: like in Victoria, by a cross factional group of Conservatives
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Speaker 3: and his own faction, the Moderates. They'll tell him he
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Speaker 3: has lost their support if he.
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Speaker 4: Listens to his colleagues.
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Speaker 3: They'll then be a party room meeting either Thursday night,
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Speaker 3: that's Tomorrow night, or Friday morning. The front runner is
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Speaker 3: Kelly Sloane. She will not challenge Speakman, but when there's
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Speaker 3: a vacancy or a spill motion, she'll put up her
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Speaker 3: hand for the leadership. Sloan supporters believe she does have
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Speaker 3: the numbers compared with the Conservative candidate, Alistair Henskins.
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Speaker 4: While Henskins, who.
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Speaker 3: Is sixty one, has more parliamentary experience, Sloan, who's fifty two,
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Speaker 3: has real world experience as a former television journalist and
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Speaker 3: charity CEO. She's shown that she can cut through devoters.
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Speaker 3: She's popular among colleagues, excellent communication skills, and she has
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Speaker 3: a good handle across a broad range of policy areas.
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Speaker 3: So tonight we're breaking the news. These are Speakman's final
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Speaker 3: days as Liberal leader in New South Wales. He's likely
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Speaker 3: to be gone rolled in a party room meeting tomorrow night,
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Speaker 3: Thursday night or Friday morning. The leadership spill is on,
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Speaker 3: and like in Victoria, a cross factional group are expected
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Speaker 3: to tell.
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Speaker 4: Him he's lost the support of his colleagues.
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Speaker 3: Now this comes after speculation for weeks, perhaps months, that
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Speaker 3: Speakman's dire polling numbers will mean that he can't be
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Speaker 3: competitive with New Southwest Premier Chris Mints. And this comes
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Speaker 3: the same week that Jessica Wilson replaced at brad Batten
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Speaker 3: in Melbourne. Now I'm going to bring you more analysis
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Speaker 3: on this throughout the show. The US President Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: is trying to broke a peace in Israel and Gaza,
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Speaker 3: forge deep ties with the modern Arab world, and bring
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Speaker 3: an end to the war in Russia and Ukraine. Yet
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Speaker 3: his agenda has been embroiled, distracted, and repeatedly derailed by
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Speaker 3: the so called Epstein files and by murky allegations that
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Speaker 3: he was somehow connected to Epstein and had moved to
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Speaker 3: block the release of documents that Trump once pledged to
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Speaker 3: make public. Now this controversy has begun to overshadow much
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Speaker 3: of his agenda. It's also tearing apart the Republican Party,
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Speaker 3: particularly the MAGA movement. After months of pressure, Trump finally
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Speaker 3: reversed his decision on releasing the Epstein files, and today
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Speaker 3: the Big News Congress past laws mandating their disclosure. These
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Speaker 3: documents held by the government relating to convicted sex offender
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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein are meant to be politically explosive. As Trump
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Speaker 3: resisted their release, speculation mounted that he had something to hide.
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Speaker 3: Now he insists this isn't true. He says, it's Bill
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Speaker 3: Clinton and other Democrats who have questions to answer. And
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Speaker 3: here was the President today taking a question on this
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Speaker 3: very point in the White House while he was sitting
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Speaker 3: alongside Saudi Arabia Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman.
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Speaker 5: As far as the Epstein files is, I have nothing
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Speaker 5: to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw them out of
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Speaker 5: my club many years ago because I thought he was
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Speaker 5: a sick pervert. But I guess I would turn out
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Speaker 5: to be right. But you know who does have Bill
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Speaker 5: Larry Summers, who ran Harvard, was with him every single night,
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Speaker 5: every single weekend. They lived together. They went to his
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Speaker 5: island many times. I never did Andrew Westman here. All
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Speaker 5: these guys were friends of his. You don't even talk
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Speaker 5: about those people.
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Speaker 3: Now, you might say, Look, Trump would say that, but
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Speaker 3: if any truly damaging or incriminating material existed, It's hard
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Speaker 3: to imagine the Democrats, who spent years trying to put
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Speaker 3: Trump in prison to block his political comeback, would have
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Speaker 3: simply left it unused. So the question becomes, why this
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Speaker 3: frenzy now, Why the sudden obsession with releasing the documents.
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Speaker 3: Why didn't this same crowd, the same politicians, and the
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Speaker 3: same journalists demand the release of the Epstein files when
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Speaker 3: Joe Biden was president. As The Wall Street Journal's editorial notes,
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Speaker 3: this is Washington in twenty twenty five, so everyone is
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Speaker 3: obsessing about Epstein's emails from the grave that mentioned Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump long before he was president. The complication for the
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Speaker 3: transparency crowd is that the Biden Justice Department had all
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Speaker 3: of these documents for four years and could.
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Speaker 4: Have released them. They also could have used them to
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Speaker 4: prosecute others beside Miss Maxwell, now in prison and Epstein,
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Speaker 4: if they thought they could get a conviction.
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Speaker 3: Biden officials certainly won't shy about attacking or even indicting
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Speaker 3: mister Trump. That's exactly right, And of course the issue
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Speaker 3: has exploded now because it's politically convenient for the left
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Speaker 3: and for Trump's own rivals now enemies figures like Marjorie
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Speaker 3: Taylor Green, who's been turning against Trump since he joined
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Speaker 3: the attack on Iran.
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Speaker 6: I was called a trader by a man that I
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Speaker 6: fought for five no actually six years for and I
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Speaker 6: gave him my loyalty for free. I won my first
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Speaker 6: election without his endorsement, beating eight men in a primary.
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Speaker 6: And I've never owed him anything, but I fought for him,
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Speaker 6: for the policies and for America first. And he called
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Speaker 6: me a trader for standing with these women and refusing
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Speaker 6: to take my name off the discharge petition. Let me
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Speaker 6: tell you what a trader is. A trader is an
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Speaker 6: American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is
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Speaker 6: an American that serves the United States of America and
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Speaker 6: Americans like the women standing behind me.
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Speaker 3: It also says something deeply troubling about Congress's warpped priorities
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Speaker 3: that after forty two days of a government shut down
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Speaker 3: this the Epstein files became its top order of business.
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Speaker 3: The files will likely have far reaching consequences, and already
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Speaker 3: we've seen that the impact of just the trove of
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Speaker 3: emails twenty thousand emails released last week are severe. In
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Speaker 3: this climate, even a passing mention of someone's name in
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Speaker 3: an email can set off a political firestorm. Take former
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Speaker 3: Harvard president to Larry Summers. Now, from what is publicly known,
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Speaker 3: and there could be more, but from what is in
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Speaker 3: the public domain, he appears guilty of contemplating an extra
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Speaker 3: marital affair with an adult woman and exchanging an email
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Speaker 3: with Epstein. Yet he's been forced to retreat from public life,
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Speaker 3: his name in disgrace. Now, when the full set of
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Speaker 3: Epstein files are finally public, lives will no doubt be upended,
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Speaker 3: some unfairly, some irreparably over the faintest, most incidental association.
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Speaker 3: And then there are the victims, up to one thousand
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Speaker 3: women who could be identified and thrust into the spotlight
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Speaker 3: all over again, and many for the first time.
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Speaker 4: At the very least.
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Speaker 3: Though, this lingering distraction that has clouded Trump's first year
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Speaker 3: of his second term may finally come to an end,
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Speaker 3: but the fractures it's opened within the MAGA movement will
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Speaker 3: be harder to repair, leaving Trump facing opponents who are
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Speaker 3: now more emboldened than ever.
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Speaker 4: So much to discuss tonight.
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Speaker 3: Dave Sharma coming up a bit later with a big
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Speaker 3: news story as well, Plus the liberal leadership challenges on
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Speaker 3: and to discuss it. Now, let's bring in former president
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Speaker 3: of the Victorian Liberal Party Michael Kroger and Sky News
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Speaker 3: host Joe hude Brand.
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Speaker 4: Great to see you both, Joe. I want to start
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Speaker 4: with you.
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Speaker 3: I want to get your reaction to the news that
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Speaker 3: they's set to be a party room meeting tomorrow night.
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Speaker 4: I've just broken this tomorrow night or Friday morning.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no doubt.
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Speaker 7: You're absolutely one hundred percent correct. As always, Kelly Sloan
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Speaker 7: was always going to lead the Liberals to the next
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Speaker 7: state election. The only reason she hasn't been made leader
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Speaker 7: before now is because people kept telling her, asking her,
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Speaker 7: begging her to step forward, and she refused. She's an
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Speaker 7: incredibly honorable person. It won't surprise you to learn, Sharry
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Speaker 7: that I'm very fond of her. I like Kelly, like
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Speaker 7: I like everybody.
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Speaker 4: I agree with you, but I just have to say
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Speaker 4: I agree with you.
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Speaker 7: On this, and I actually I have a very strong
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Speaker 7: history with Kelly. I actually made her a comments at
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Speaker 7: the Daily Telegraph because I was so impressed with her
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Speaker 7: thoughts on politics and the way she could construct an argument.
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Speaker 7: I don't think anyone's had more photos with healthy Harold,
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Speaker 7: that's for life education Australia.
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Speaker 2: This is clearly.
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Speaker 7: Someone who you know, after walking away from television journalism,
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Speaker 7: still really wanted to make a serious contribution to public life.
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Speaker 7: And again as soon as she became the member for
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Speaker 7: four close she was always going to be destined for
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Speaker 7: greater things. And frankly, I think, like with like with
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Speaker 7: Jess Wilson in Victoria, she is of an ilk who
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Speaker 7: is the only kind that would be capable of challenging
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Speaker 7: chrismin so I also like, I absolutely love obviously, but.
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Speaker 4: Once again I agree.
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Speaker 2: I agree with now that.
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Speaker 7: But but yeah, so I think just as Jess Wilson
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Speaker 7: has energized to Liberal Party already in Victoria, I think
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Speaker 7: Kelly Sloan will do so in New South Wales because
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Speaker 7: they've been a pretty sorrowful kind of you know, wet letters.
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Speaker 3: Terrible bunching, appalling opposition. Now, Michael, just to pick up
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Speaker 3: on something Joe said I also said earlier. So Kelly
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Speaker 3: Sloane does not want, she will not challenge, She doesn't
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Speaker 3: want to tear down Mark Speakman, who she does consider well.
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Speaker 3: They are friends, the pair of them. But as I've
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Speaker 3: reported tonight, cross factional group. This is the model, Michael,
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Speaker 3: that they chose in Victoria at the Liberal Party, a
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Speaker 3: cross factional group from the Moderates and the Conservatives went
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Speaker 3: to Brad Batten and said you've lost the support, and
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Speaker 3: then the chosen candidate was, of course Jess Wilson.
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Speaker 4: Michael, do you think that's a.
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Speaker 3: Better way of doing it to keep the new leader
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Speaker 3: clean from the dirty work, so to speak?
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Speaker 2: You could write a book about these leadership challenges. Many,
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Speaker 2: many reluctant politicians have had greatness thrust upon them, despite
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Speaker 2: their despite their extreme reticence of putting their name forward
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Speaker 2: over the years. But anyway, in the end it's up
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Speaker 2: for them to decide. The Electric by the way marks
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Speaker 2: you down. If you don't look as if you want it,
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Speaker 2: if you're too reluctant, the Electric think they're care Plenty
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Speaker 2: of leaders have failed because they haven't wanted, they haven't
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Speaker 2: looked as if they were desperate to win. Now, the
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Speaker 2: general rule in state elections not every election. Every state
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Speaker 2: election is different, and this is certainly not the rule federally,
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Speaker 2: but in state elections, more often than not, in recent elections,
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Speaker 2: the electorate of voting for the party whose leader's personality
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Speaker 2: they like the best. They're voting on personality. So I
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Speaker 2: was with the people today and I said, you know
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Speaker 2: the guy melanowskis in South Australia. Everyone knew Melanaskis by name.
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Speaker 2: What do you think uanimously unanimously liked him or gave
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Speaker 2: all the reasons that we all know why people like him.
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Speaker 2: I said, do you know a single one of his policies? No,
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Speaker 2: no one could name a single policy, but they would
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Speaker 2: vote for him because they liked him. Now, Jess Wilson
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Speaker 2: is eminently likable. Kelly Sloan the same. Mark's problem is
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Speaker 2: that in this television age, he's come out with this
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Speaker 2: thing saying he's boring. Yeah, interesting tactic, you know. Not
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Speaker 2: a silly tactic, by the way, not a silly tackle
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Speaker 2: to make a virtue of your weakness. But she is
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Speaker 2: eminently more likable. The camera likes her in this age,
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Speaker 2: whether you like it or not. If the camera doesn't
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Speaker 2: like you, you ain't going to win an election.
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Speaker 4: So just about her being photogenic, of course, it's course, yes, yes, of.
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Speaker 2: Course, it's all of those things. You can't put it.
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Speaker 2: You know, someone who's good looking but empty headed?
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Speaker 8: Up?
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Speaker 2: No, no, it's all of those things. Mel and Elysis.
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Speaker 2: People said to me today, well, he's he's tall and
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Speaker 2: good looking. Fine, But beyond that, they said, he's moderate,
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Speaker 2: he's sensible, he doesn't say things hard left, hard right.
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Speaker 2: He seems to have practical solutions to problem, he's on
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Speaker 2: top of his brief. All of those things of substance.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you've got to have that, and that's what
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Speaker 2: their conclusion was about him. But they liked They attracted
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Speaker 2: most of all to his friendly personality, and they thought
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Speaker 2: he was a decent person. So whether we like it
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Speaker 2: or not, and I'm not involved, but Sloan is clearly
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Speaker 2: a more photo genic, likable person than Marks, and she
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Speaker 2: will be able to win over people more than Mark.
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Speaker 2: And it's unfortunate for him, but that's the way politics goes.
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Speaker 3: She's the only person out of the entire liberal team,
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Speaker 3: in my opinion, who could at least be competitive against
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Speaker 3: Chris Mintz.
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Speaker 4: So she's the obvious choice. All right, I'm going to speak.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to come back to this topic again a
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Speaker 3: bit later with Dave Sharma because he knows Kelly Sloane
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Speaker 3: well too. Now today, just Center Namba, jimper Price, has
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Speaker 3: retaliated against Holly Hughes a suggestion that she and others
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Speaker 3: were being used to have a look.
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Speaker 9: I mean, she's clearly bitter, and that's her issue to
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Speaker 9: deal with herself. I suppose Holly, if she could take
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Speaker 9: a moment, if she walked a mile and my shoes
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Speaker 9: are and some of the shoes of some of the
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Speaker 9: women that I've championed in you know, from the remotest
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Speaker 9: parts of this country, I think she should should change
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Speaker 9: her attitude. Now.
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Speaker 3: Those comments came up after Holly launched a spray on
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Speaker 3: the show here last night.
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Speaker 4: You might have seen it.
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Speaker 3: She also made similar comments on the radio and in
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Speaker 3: the papers here she was on last night's show.
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Speaker 10: I felt it was hypocritical to stay in the party
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Speaker 10: when I am now in a position where I can
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Speaker 10: call out their behavior.
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Speaker 4: And who do you think is undermining her?
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Speaker 10: Well, I think we all know who's undermining her. And
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Speaker 10: I think all you've got to do is look at
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Speaker 10: that big right wing block that wandered down the corridor
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Speaker 10: together as they pushed the women up the front. One
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Speaker 10: you've never heard of, and I quite frankly just sent
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Speaker 10: her and Sarah I think are being used by the
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Speaker 10: two men that want to push forward with their their challenge,
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Speaker 10: but don't have the gumption to do it.
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Speaker 3: And that set off a fiery debate of course the
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Speaker 3: program last night, as you can imagine, Joe, what do
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Speaker 3: you think of this? I mean, of course, was going
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Speaker 3: to respond to the suggestion.
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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, absolutely, I don't think Holly necessarily meant anything,
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Speaker 7: you know, particularly nasty.
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Speaker 6: Bye.
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Speaker 7: I really liked both of them, I loved but I think, certainly, certainly,
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Speaker 7: I think Holly was dealt a cruel blow by the
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Speaker 7: Liberal Party at the last election. She lost her spot
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Speaker 7: on the Senate ticket, was relegated to an unwinnable spot.
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Speaker 7: That spot was replaced by someone who is supportive of
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Speaker 7: Angus Taylor. So again, if you go back to the
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Speaker 7: result that Susanly won by twenty nine to twenty five
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Speaker 7: last time round, that number is already twenty seven to
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Speaker 7: twenty six, maybe one way or the other.
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Speaker 3: It's just to be clear, because Holly was part of
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Speaker 3: that vote, and so was Giselle Captierrian who never even
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Speaker 3: got exactly right.
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Speaker 7: So she loses one vote for the Bradfield candidate who
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Speaker 7: never became an MP, and she loses another vote in
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Speaker 7: losing Holly while Taylor gains that vote. So vote, so
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Speaker 7: she loses two and Taylor gets one. And I'm pretty
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Speaker 7: sure there's more than one person who's changed their mind
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Speaker 7: in the Liberal party room over the last six months.
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Speaker 7: So that's why Susan Lee's leadership is frankly pretty soon
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Speaker 7: going to go the way of Marks Speakman and Brad Button's.
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Speaker 7: But I think, you know, in terms of just In
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Speaker 7: the Price being used, I don't think she's ever really
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Speaker 7: been used by anybody. I think she's someone who is
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Speaker 7: very much her own woman. And indeed, you know, if
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Speaker 7: I was Angus Taylor, I'd be more worried about just
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Speaker 7: Er Price taking my job than Susan Lee.
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Speaker 4: What do you think about this, Michael, I mean you.
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Speaker 2: Know, well, yeah, the first thing to say is that
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Speaker 2: I think Joe's been reading too many books written by
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Speaker 2: Jim Cans. I mean, he's spreading the love tonight. I
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Speaker 2: next you will tell us he was at that terrible
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Speaker 2: conference of the alb Anyway.
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Speaker 3: He never has a bad way to say about anyone anybody.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, just Sender Price and Sarah Henderson don't look
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Speaker 2: to me like people who were easily used exactly. So
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Speaker 2: I don't agree with Holly in the slightest. I think
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Speaker 2: Holly was completely wrong by the way and resigning from
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Speaker 2: the party. I mean, I've had this argument with people
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Speaker 2: for fifty years now, good people leaving the little because
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Speaker 2: they're cheefed off over one issue or one policy. You've
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Speaker 2: got the rest of your life to wallow in. You
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Speaker 2: you know, in your disappointment, you've got to stay and fight.
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Speaker 2: There's no point leaving the party. Holly, You've done it now.
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Speaker 2: But she's a friend of Susan Lee. People like Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: You need friends and allies and supporters. I mean, Holly
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Speaker 2: Hughes I thought was an excellent senator, obviously disappointed she
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Speaker 2: lost her spot. She's a great communicator, she fights for
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Speaker 2: some wonderful causes, And it was completely wrong of Holly
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Speaker 2: to leave the party. It's completely unnecessary. What because a
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Speaker 2: few people are allegedly undermining the leader, Well, welcome to
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Speaker 2: the real world. You show me a leader who hasn't
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Speaker 2: shown me a leader who hasn't been undermined. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I mean John Howard. John Howard famously in that Bulletin
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Speaker 2: article on seventy percent approval. Why does this man bother,
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Speaker 2: you know, and people are undermining John. The leaders are
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Speaker 2: undermined all day long by everybody. I mean, you've got
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Speaker 2: Burke and charmers out there waiting to undermine elbow when
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Speaker 2: he falls. I mean, that's politics, Perry. I thought, I
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Speaker 2: thought Holly did the wrong thing. I really thought Holly
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Speaker 2: did the wrong thing.
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Speaker 3: All right, I'm sure she'll be watching and you'll probably
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Speaker 3: get a text shorty, Michael. Probably we've been covering for
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks now, this hypocrisy from the left.
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Speaker 3: How quick they are to rightly crack down on the
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Speaker 3: neo Nazis, but then nothing to see here when it
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Speaker 3: comes to radical Islamist extremists.
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Speaker 4: Well, here was the Home Affairs Minister.
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke explaining why he's deporting from Australia South African
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Speaker 3: neo Nazi.
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Speaker 11: If you're on a visa, you're a guest in the country.
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Speaker 2: There's some neo Nazi on a visa wants to make
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Speaker 2: citizens feel unwelcome in Australia. Well you can go.
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Speaker 3: Where has Tony Berg been on all of the others
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Speaker 3: that hate Australia.
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Speaker 4: Why hasn't he canceled any of those people?
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Speaker 3: Who are on visas. I mean, it's just appalling, Joe.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you wrote your column about this a few
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Speaker 3: days ago, and I thought it was quite a good
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Speaker 3: didn't agree with everything, but I thought it was a
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Speaker 3: really good column because.
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Speaker 4: Because because you're saying, yes, the neo Nazi.
21:09
Speaker 3: Movement's a problem, but what about the extremists on the
21:11
Speaker 3: other side, and you should be condemning both hate. But
21:14
Speaker 3: we haven't seen that from Tony Burke. He just refuses
21:19
Speaker 3: to deal with the hate preachers.
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Speaker 7: Look, the extreme left, I think have absolutely given a
21:25
Speaker 7: fig leaf from which the neo Nazis can emerge. And
21:27
Speaker 7: the thing that struck me so much by that now
21:30
Speaker 7: infamous sign outside Parliament House about the Jewish Lobby that
21:33
Speaker 7: they paraded in front of was how it sounds exactly
21:37
Speaker 7: like the sort of stuff that extreme left activists say.
21:40
Speaker 7: And of course you mentioned the infamous statement by Jenny Long,
21:43
Speaker 7: which we all condemned. I don't think Tony. I don't
21:45
Speaker 7: think Tony Burke is in any way in that camp.
21:48
Speaker 7: And again he was targeted by I dare say some
21:52
Speaker 7: of the figures you were talking about at the last election,
21:54
Speaker 7: some really extreme dark Islamist groups who were despite what
22:01
Speaker 7: you would see, I'm sure as labors, you know, bending
22:04
Speaker 7: over backwards to accommodate the Muslim community, were still determined
22:07
Speaker 7: to knife in because they thought that any support for
22:09
Speaker 7: Israel was too much. The government has moved, as I
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Speaker 7: understand it too, to look towards banning groups like his
22:17
Speaker 7: butterier and to registering them as a terrorist organizers.
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Speaker 4: We haven't haven't well, I don't think so. I haven't
22:23
Speaker 4: seen that done.
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Speaker 7: I think I think it's something that is being considered.
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Speaker 3: Well, they having done it, certain that it should be.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupt you, but just to be clear,
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Speaker 3: everyone can have whatever opinion they want on Israel, but
22:34
Speaker 3: we're talking about the radical extremists who are.
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Speaker 4: Here on visus. Yeah again, and that's that.
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Speaker 7: I would happily see any of them deported. I don't
22:44
Speaker 7: know the exact workings of the minister's mind when it
22:48
Speaker 7: comes to that, and certainly made the right decision with
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Speaker 7: banning the Nazis and other anti Jewish people and from
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Speaker 7: coming to Australia in the first place.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the New South was premier today or so
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Speaker 3: outlawed Nazi slogans and characteristics. There's going to be a
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Speaker 3: twenty two thousand dollars fine if the offense takes place
23:08
Speaker 3: near a synagogue or a Jewish school. So police now
23:13
Speaker 3: do have, thanks to Chris Men's, the power to make
23:15
Speaker 3: arrests and impose fines or neo Nazis, and he was
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Speaker 3: the Premier today.
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Speaker 12: We have free speech in Australia, but obviously if it
23:28
Speaker 12: begins to tumble into hate speech, or there's naked displays
23:31
Speaker 12: of fascism, anti Semitism near Nazis on our streets, then
23:36
Speaker 12: we want and expect civil society to take action. Now
23:40
Speaker 12: police have to make that decision and these are often
23:43
Speaker 12: finally balanced decisions in real time.
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Speaker 3: Michael, again, an excellent move from the Premier. But you know,
23:52
Speaker 3: as you messaged me about earlier today, what about the
23:54
Speaker 3: harmas symbols.
23:55
Speaker 4: Why hasn't that inverted red triangle been backed?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so why isn't been banned? Why haven't done many
24:04
Speaker 2: other symbols of you know, Islamic hatred against Jews being banned?
24:09
Speaker 2: Of course, they're not banning the Nazi Party itself. They're
24:14
Speaker 2: not saying it's a terrorist organization or making it illegal
24:17
Speaker 2: because that's probably against the constitution. Of course, we remember
24:20
Speaker 2: Mensi's tried to do it to the Communist Party in
24:23
Speaker 2: the fifties. But the symbols, slogans, words, chance, well, you know,
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Speaker 2: from the River to the Sea is as vicious anti
24:33
Speaker 2: Jewish statement as you would get. That's a statement of
24:36
Speaker 2: Jewish hatred that we all know. Why Hamas signals, hamas flags,
24:42
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Chance, you know, death to the IDF,
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Speaker 2: death the Net and Yahoo. Why aren't people arrested for
24:49
Speaker 2: those types of things? So look, mens is eighty percent
24:55
Speaker 2: of what you'd like to see, right, He's from that
24:58
Speaker 2: minority of Labour people now in the b Hawk Graham
25:01
Speaker 2: Richardson tradition, the micolice and tradition, the great tradition of
25:05
Speaker 2: labor that stood up for Israel. He's fighting get let's
25:09
Speaker 2: be Frank. Mins is also fighting against the hard left
25:11
Speaker 2: of his own party. You don't want any of this
25:13
Speaker 2: stuff except the Nazis, But they don't want him to
25:16
Speaker 2: take a stand against anyone any of the Islamic hatred
25:19
Speaker 2: against Jews. So Mins is getting there as best he can.
25:23
Speaker 2: But if he really wanted to do the right thing,
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Speaker 2: he would be talking about Islamic hate preachers and their
25:28
Speaker 2: symbols of Jewish hatred and Tony Burke, what can you
25:31
Speaker 2: say about this shameless hypocrite? What a shameless hypocrite? What
25:35
Speaker 2: there are no Islamic hate preachers, Tony, that aren't on
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Speaker 2: visus in this country. When are you deporting them? My friend?
25:41
Speaker 2: When are they being deported? Hello? Tony? When are those
25:46
Speaker 2: people chanting you know about the Jews at the Opera House?
25:50
Speaker 2: When are some of those on visus being deported? You're
25:52
Speaker 2: trying to tell me that I know who they are.
25:54
Speaker 2: Police know who they are. What they're not being deported?
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Speaker 11: What?
25:57
Speaker 2: None of these people on visus? They're all permanent citizens
25:59
Speaker 2: of Australia. I don't think that.
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Speaker 3: No, exactly, Well said Michael, as always, Thank you so much.
26:05
Speaker 3: Great to see you, Michael, Kroger, Joe hit around, see
26:07
Speaker 3: you later now. In Islamic Revolutionary Guard cause, major general's
26:14
Speaker 3: family member is living in Australia, believed to be on
26:18
Speaker 3: a visa. Now, this is the IRGC is the same
26:22
Speaker 3: organization that's set to be listed as a terrorist group
26:25
Speaker 3: and it's behind the fire bombings of the Adaths Synagogue
26:28
Speaker 3: in Melbourne and the Lewis Continental Kitchen in Sydney. So
26:33
Speaker 3: we're reporting here now that a family member of Major
26:36
Speaker 3: General Rahim sa Favis is believed to be practicing as
26:41
Speaker 3: a psychological counselor. It's believed that she was given a
26:44
Speaker 3: visa to be in Australia.
26:46
Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: Dave Sharma has today sent a formal letter to Home
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Speaker 3: Affairs Minister Tony Burke about this. He said in the
26:53
Speaker 3: letter there would appear to be questions whether miss Safavi
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Speaker 3: meets the character test and other requirements including a non
27:02
Speaker 3: adverse security assessment to continue to hold a visa for Australia.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: We contacted at Sky News Tony Back's office as well
27:11
Speaker 3: the Home Affairs.
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Speaker 4: Department this morning. We've not had a response. We contacted
27:16
Speaker 4: them first thing this morning, no responses.
27:19
Speaker 3: We go to Air eight o'clock tonight. We're joining me
27:21
Speaker 3: now to discuss this. Is Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Dave,
27:24
Speaker 3: great to see you again. Now the IIGC will be
27:28
Speaker 3: listed as a terror organization. Now this general has reportedly
27:32
Speaker 3: been subject to sanctions.
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Speaker 4: So what is your view of the decision to.
27:37
Speaker 3: Apparently grant a close family member of his avisa.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think it deserves close examination and I think
27:46
Speaker 13: it should be overturmed. I mean, this general Raheem Safavi
27:50
Speaker 13: has been on Australia's autonomous sanctions list for a number
27:53
Speaker 13: of years. This is although we're taking steps to list
27:57
Speaker 13: the IIDC as a terrorist organization, this individual has already
28:00
Speaker 13: been listed under our sanctions regime. Now, the idea that
28:05
Speaker 13: a close family member of someone like that could pass
28:10
Speaker 13: be found to be of good character and not having
28:12
Speaker 13: adverse security assessment when we know, according to our own
28:16
Speaker 13: intelligence agency, is that the IRGC has been orchestrating funding
28:21
Speaker 13: and supporting terrorist acts on Australian soil. I just find
28:25
Speaker 13: very hard to believe in the fact that the daughter
28:28
Speaker 13: of this figure, seemingly living openly in Australia clearly has
28:33
Speaker 13: to have been issued a EASA to come here. I
28:36
Speaker 13: think demands an explanation from the Home Affairs Department and
28:39
Speaker 13: from the Minister Tony Burke.
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Speaker 4: Have you heard a response yet to the latter you sent?
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Speaker 13: No, I haven't had a response. But I'm not the
28:47
Speaker 13: only one raising this. I mean, there are Iranian community
28:50
Speaker 13: figures here in Australia who first alerted me to this.
28:54
Speaker 13: When Iranian media sources reported on this fact, this individual
28:59
Speaker 13: took down their Instagram profile, took down their LinkedIn account,
29:03
Speaker 13: they went dark, which suggests they know that there is
29:06
Speaker 13: something to this and it should be of a concern
29:09
Speaker 13: to all Australians. I mean, I welcome the steps that
29:11
Speaker 13: Tony Burk has taken today to cancel the visa of
29:15
Speaker 13: the neo Nazi, but these other individuals should equally be
29:18
Speaker 13: warranting his attention.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were just speaking about that hypocrisy you would
29:23
Speaker 4: have heard with Michael Kroger a minute ago. Just to
29:26
Speaker 4: turn to.
29:26
Speaker 3: Another topic, there was a scorching piece today in the
29:29
Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph. The Western Sydney MP die Lu Dailie was
29:33
Speaker 3: rebuking the Albanese government's most recent gimmick of three hours
29:38
Speaker 3: of free electricity a day.
29:40
Speaker 4: She said, who do they think they're fooling?
29:43
Speaker 3: She said, do they honestly believe that hard working families
29:47
Speaker 3: have the luxury of dropping everything and running home between
29:50
Speaker 3: eleven am and two pm to make use of the
29:54
Speaker 3: so called free energy window? And Dave She also spoke
29:57
Speaker 3: about how, you know, working Western Sydney families used to
30:01
Speaker 3: be the core people that labor cared about.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's a pretty strong point from her,
30:07
Speaker 4: what's your view?
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Speaker 13: I agree entirely with the points that is made. I mean,
30:12
Speaker 13: this is a gimmick design to try and mask the
30:16
Speaker 13: unrelentingly increasing energy prices under this labor government. And the
30:20
Speaker 13: truth is that if energy companies are going to have
30:22
Speaker 13: to give people three hours of free power during the day,
30:25
Speaker 13: they're going to have to make the money elsewhere. And
30:27
Speaker 13: that means peak periods four o'clock to nine o'clock or
30:30
Speaker 13: two eight pm, depending on what sort of tariff you're on,
30:33
Speaker 13: they're going to be needing to be charging more. So
30:36
Speaker 13: Australians are going to be paying for this, and the
30:38
Speaker 13: only people who are able to take advantage of it,
30:41
Speaker 13: as Darlie said, of people who happen to be at
30:43
Speaker 13: home during the day, maybe because they're working from home,
30:44
Speaker 13: made because they've got caring responsibilities. But you can't run
30:47
Speaker 13: home and put on a washing machine and run your
30:50
Speaker 13: dishwasher and do everything else between eleven and two. People
30:54
Speaker 13: have jobs to go.
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Speaker 4: To no exactly. You've worked closely in the past with
31:00
Speaker 4: ll Sloan.
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Speaker 3: You were previously Wetworth MP but then campaigning for Wentworth.
31:05
Speaker 4: She's tipped to.
31:06
Speaker 3: Replace Mark Speakman in a party room meeting as early
31:09
Speaker 3: as Thursday night or Friday morning. Do you think she'd
31:13
Speaker 3: make a good leader in New South Wales.
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Speaker 13: Well, look, first let me say, you know, I think
31:19
Speaker 13: Mark Speakman is a good leader of the Liberal Party.
31:22
Speaker 13: He's leading the party in a difficult time after twelve
31:27
Speaker 13: years of government in New South Wales. That is always
31:29
Speaker 13: a difficult role and I think Mark is doing it well.
31:31
Speaker 13: So he has my full supporters. Leader Kelly I know
31:35
Speaker 13: to be a very talented, dedicated, hardworking person of integrity
31:40
Speaker 13: who could serve as well now as the shadow Health Minister,
31:43
Speaker 13: and I'm sure in years ahead could equally serve in
31:47
Speaker 13: other roles. But I don't want to weigh into what
31:50
Speaker 13: might well be in New South Wales leadership contests, all right.
31:53
Speaker 4: So you're being very careful in your comments that.
31:55
Speaker 3: Well, it looks like by the end of the week
31:58
Speaker 3: Kelly Sloan will be the new So though I was Liberal,
32:00
Speaker 3: I mean she definitely brings some energy to the job
32:03
Speaker 3: and she'd be competitive against Chris Min's which we haven't
32:05
Speaker 3: seen so far.
32:08
Speaker 13: Look, Kelly's a very capable person.
32:10
Speaker 2: I think.
32:11
Speaker 13: You know, sometimes in Australian politics we tend to fixate
32:15
Speaker 13: a little too much on who the leader is. Yes,
32:17
Speaker 13: they're important, but the whole team has to play a
32:21
Speaker 13: role in holding a government to account and presenting an
32:25
Speaker 13: alternative government. And whatever position Kelly has in the Liberal
32:29
Speaker 13: Party New South, well I know she'll fulfill that position
32:31
Speaker 13: world all.
32:32
Speaker 3: Right, Dave Shelmer, thank you very much for your time
32:34
Speaker 3: in the show tonight, and you've got to keep us
32:36
Speaker 3: updated if you get a response from Tony Burke, because
32:38
Speaker 3: it was radio silence to us at Sky News.
32:41
Speaker 4: Today, I will Sherry all right, still to come.
32:45
Speaker 3: The pro Palestinian famine claim debunked by the United Nations.
32:49
Speaker 4: More on that with ut Wilf.
32:51
Speaker 3: But first, the banks weren't their voice heard on migration
32:54
Speaker 3: even at zero and they want there'll be no.
32:58
Speaker 4: Rate cuts next year. That's next welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: Two major banks have urged the government to cut migration numbers.
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Speaker 3: The Commonwealth Bank boss Matt Coman suggested that migration levels
33:13
Speaker 3: should be in the order of one hundred and eighty
33:15
Speaker 3: thousand per year to meet infrastructure and housing demands.
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Speaker 11: I think where there is a predictable level of migration,
33:24
Speaker 11: perhaps that number is something in the order of one
33:26
Speaker 11: hundred and eighty thousand per annum gives both the Commonwealth
33:29
Speaker 11: and states the ability to plan for critical infrastructure, including housing.
33:34
Speaker 11: I think having a target is.
33:35
Speaker 3: Important, and Westpac chief executive agreed with him. Let's bring
33:40
Speaker 3: you now the Deputy Director of the IPA, Daniel Wild. Daniel,
33:43
Speaker 3: thanks for your time. So what do you make of
33:45
Speaker 3: these comments? We also saw similar comments from the A
33:49
Speaker 3: and Z chief today on net zero. It's quite unusual
33:53
Speaker 3: for banks to weigh into these kind of hot political.
33:56
Speaker 2: Issues, that's right, Cherry.
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Speaker 14: I mean this is a pretty significant development because we've
34:03
Speaker 14: been hearing from mainstream Australians that immigration is too high.
34:07
Speaker 14: We've been hearing this for too long. But from the
34:09
Speaker 14: top end of town they tend to like mass migration.
34:12
Speaker 14: I mean, certainly, if you're running a bank, bigger population
34:14
Speaker 14: means you're going to have a bigger balance sheet, so
34:17
Speaker 14: on paper you'd say that they would support it. So
34:19
Speaker 14: this shows that the arguments against immigration have now penetrated
34:23
Speaker 14: into the elite circles, and I think it shows that
34:25
Speaker 14: it's inevitable that the government is going to cut immigration numbers.
34:29
Speaker 14: Now one hundred and eighty thousand number that they're saying
34:31
Speaker 14: would still be too high. In my view, I think
34:33
Speaker 14: it's going to be below one hundred thousand per year.
34:36
Speaker 14: For context, from the end of World War Two until
34:38
Speaker 14: the end of the Howard era, it was around ninety
34:41
Speaker 14: thousand that overseas migration per year. Now, in the first
34:44
Speaker 14: financial year of this of the Albaneze government, it was
34:47
Speaker 14: over five hundred thousand, and then it was around four
34:49
Speaker 14: hundred thousand, and they reckon they're going to get it
34:51
Speaker 14: to around three hundred thousand. So these are extraordinary numbers
34:54
Speaker 14: from an historical perspective, and in not only is it
34:57
Speaker 14: a housing an infrastructure problem, but we know that households
35:00
Speaker 14: are in recession. You know, we are in a per
35:02
Speaker 14: capita recession at the moment. So you know, these are
35:04
Speaker 14: very significant comments and I think it shows that basically
35:07
Speaker 14: the debate is now over and the numbers are going
35:10
Speaker 14: to be cut.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot.
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Speaker 3: Of researchers telling political parties that this is now very
35:16
Speaker 3: one of the top issues for voters, the migration levels
35:21
Speaker 3: because of the cost of living issues that you've been
35:22
Speaker 3: speaking about. And yet we're seeing from the federal opposition
35:28
Speaker 3: and by the way, Susan Lee's on with Paul Murray next,
35:30
Speaker 3: So don't miss that interview. But you know we're seeing
35:32
Speaker 3: from the opposition this reluctance will refuse or.
35:35
Speaker 4: To actually set a figure.
35:37
Speaker 3: They say they're not in government, they don't have the figures,
35:39
Speaker 3: but they need to come out hard on this. They
35:42
Speaker 3: do need to put a figure down.
35:43
Speaker 4: Don't you think.
35:46
Speaker 2: They do need to do that.
35:48
Speaker 14: I don't think they need to do it right now,
35:50
Speaker 14: and I was happy to see that they've been talking
35:53
Speaker 14: about the issue. But don't forget at the last election
35:56
Speaker 14: they really got this wrong. They really stuffed up the
35:58
Speaker 14: messaging on this completely. They were talking about the wrong number.
36:01
Speaker 14: You know, Tony Burt likes to talk about this permanent
36:03
Speaker 14: migration number of around one hundred and eighty thousand. That's
36:06
Speaker 14: not the number you need to target. You need to
36:08
Speaker 14: target the net overseas migration number, which is a number
36:10
Speaker 14: that the Bank CEOs.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about.
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Speaker 14: So Peter Dutton said he's going to cut it by
36:14
Speaker 14: I think twenty or twenty five percent. That had no
36:16
Speaker 14: cut through. So what you have to do is make
36:18
Speaker 14: sure you get it right because you only get one chance.
36:21
Speaker 14: And so, like I say, step number one is target
36:23
Speaker 14: the net overseas migration number, get it below one hundred thousand.
36:27
Speaker 14: What you have to do to get that is you're
36:29
Speaker 14: going to have to reduce foreign students coming into the country.
36:32
Speaker 14: We know the single biggest category, it is around forty
36:35
Speaker 14: percent of the total intake is foreign students. So you're
36:38
Speaker 14: going to have to cap You're going to have to
36:40
Speaker 14: cap universities in terms of how what percentage of students
36:43
Speaker 14: they can have that are from overseas. The other quick
36:46
Speaker 14: point I'll make is that only about seventeen percent of
36:48
Speaker 14: the intake is actually skilled migrants, permanent or temporary. So
36:52
Speaker 14: we've got a real skills problem. But you know, the
36:55
Speaker 14: government says we've got a skills migration program, but less
36:57
Speaker 14: than one in five who are coming in are actually guilt.
37:00
Speaker 14: So no wonder you can't get a trade or get
37:02
Speaker 14: work done.
37:04
Speaker 3: Just on another topic, now, the OPTA scandal where people
37:08
Speaker 3: were trying to call Triple O and they couldn't get
37:10
Speaker 3: through and it led to death. So well, now this
37:12
Speaker 3: has hit Votera Phone and their parent company has revealed
37:16
Speaker 3: that one of their customers couldn't call Triple LOW because
37:20
Speaker 3: and this is what they've said, because their software was outdated.
37:23
Speaker 3: That means the Samsung device they were using was apparently
37:27
Speaker 3: too old and the person died. Now, Daniel, in my view,
37:32
Speaker 3: this is unacceptable. I mean, we are in a cost
37:34
Speaker 3: of living crisis. People can't afford to have the newest
37:37
Speaker 3: version of phones.
37:38
Speaker 4: They shouldn't.
37:39
Speaker 3: They have to be at the very basic level. They've
37:42
Speaker 3: got to be able to call triple low.
37:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
37:47
Speaker 14: I mean, at one level, this is a human tragedy
37:51
Speaker 14: and it can't hill how to happen again. The government
37:53
Speaker 14: needs to take the ball by the horns here though.
37:55
Speaker 14: I mean we've had a couple of issues with the
37:56
Speaker 14: Triple zero matter, and what I've read of what TPG said,
38:01
Speaker 14: there's a network or software issue where the phone can't connect.
38:03
Speaker 14: I don't understand the technical components of it. But we
38:06
Speaker 14: need leadership from government now that will say, well, this
38:08
Speaker 14: is in the hands of the regulator. There's going to
38:09
Speaker 14: be a review and if the network provider has done
38:13
Speaker 14: the wrong thing, there's going to be penalties. Fair enough,
38:15
Speaker 14: But I don't see any real sort of forward thinking
38:17
Speaker 14: from the government on this issue. It seems to be
38:20
Speaker 14: very reactive, very much responding to events. So I think
38:22
Speaker 14: what Australians would expect is for the government to be
38:24
Speaker 14: on the front foot to hedge off any potential that
38:27
Speaker 14: something like this could happen again.
38:29
Speaker 3: Maybe at the very least there should be fines or
38:31
Speaker 3: some sort of penalty when it does, because it's unacceptable.
38:36
Speaker 3: Daniel Wild, great to have you on the show. Thank
38:37
Speaker 3: you for your time. Now still to come, the expose
38:40
Speaker 3: of Epstein files set to be released after today's vote
38:44
Speaker 3: in Congress. How it's now exposing the fault lines in
38:47
Speaker 3: the MAGA movement. But for Saudi Arabia wants to join
38:51
Speaker 3: the Abraham Acords, but there's one massive condition in Artwelf
38:55
Speaker 3: will join me next.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back well.
39:01
Speaker 3: Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salmon, known as MBS, met
39:04
Speaker 3: with Trump in the White House today. Now he was
39:07
Speaker 3: asked about the Abraham Accords. He said he was keen,
39:11
Speaker 3: but that he had one condition.
39:13
Speaker 9: Have a look, we want to be part of the Bremmaccord,
39:17
Speaker 9: but we want also to be sure that it was.
39:19
Speaker 2: A cure or cleave path of two state solution.
39:23
Speaker 5: And we've had a very good talk on the Abraham Accords.
39:25
Speaker 5: We talked about one state, two state. You know, we
39:28
Speaker 5: talked about a lot of things.
39:30
Speaker 3: Oh Bunny is drop one state, two state? Then the
39:33
Speaker 3: grownd Prince are sitting there saying we want two states
39:36
Speaker 3: joining me now to discuss this. Former Israeli politician ain't
39:39
Speaker 3: at wilf ain at great to have.
39:41
Speaker 4: You on the show. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Look, it is important that this normalization deal go ahead,
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Speaker 3: important to Israel and to America. But I mean, that's
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Speaker 3: a seemingly impossible condition to meet, isn't it.
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Speaker 8: I actually always thought that this is the easiest condition
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Speaker 8: to meet, because once you define it as a pathway
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Speaker 8: to a two state solution or a vision, or a
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Speaker 8: pathway to a Palestinian state, all that Israel has to
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Speaker 8: do is say, look, the pathway to one more Arab state,
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Speaker 8: to a two state solution is the same one that
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Speaker 8: it's been for the last century and more that the
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Speaker 8: Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza, the Palestinians will
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Speaker 8: finally decide that it's more important for them to build
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Speaker 8: a state for themselves rather than to destroy the Jewish
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Speaker 8: state that has only ever been the obstacle. It's an
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Speaker 8: ideology that have come to call Palestinianism the only obstacle
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Speaker 8: ever to peace. Has never been about settlements or occupation,
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Speaker 8: or this or that Israeli government or prime minister. It's
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Speaker 8: always been the obsessive Arab and especially Palestinian Arab rejection
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Speaker 8: of the Jewish right to self determination in any part
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Speaker 8: of the land of Israel. That has only ever been
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Speaker 8: the obstacle to peace, so that all that Israel has
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Speaker 8: to do is say, look, this is the path. This
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Speaker 8: has only ever been the path. And when one day
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Speaker 8: those Arabs will no longer be Palestinianists, will no longer
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Speaker 8: be obsessed with the non existence of a Jewish state.
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Speaker 8: When they decide that they want to build for themselves
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Speaker 8: rather than destroy for us, they will discover, as has
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Speaker 8: been the case for the last century, that the Jews,
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Speaker 8: other than our obstinate desire to be sovereign in at
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Speaker 8: least part of our homeland, were never the problem.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right time and time again. It's not Israel
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Speaker 3: that's walked away from the two state solution. I want
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Speaker 3: to ask you about the narrative that is widely accepted
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Speaker 3: about a famine in Gaza. Well, the World Obesity Federation
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Speaker 3: and this is AID partner to the UN's World Health Organization,
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Speaker 3: has ranked countries' obesity prevalence, and according to their rankings
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Speaker 3: or a UN body, the Palestinian territories is twenty seventh,
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Speaker 3: while Israel places one hundred and first. So according to
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Speaker 3: this un body, ain't at there seems to be more
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Speaker 3: obese Palestinians than Israelis.
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Speaker 4: Is this surprising, of.
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Speaker 8: Course, not to Israelis. And we also saw it, by
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Speaker 8: the way, in all the images, not the ones that
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Speaker 8: were doctored, but the actual images that came when you
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Speaker 8: had open images of people in Gaza, and we saw
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Speaker 8: it again and again. We know that the famine was
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Speaker 8: a libel, one in a long list of libels. And
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Speaker 8: we know that this is, by the way, exactly how
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Speaker 8: Palestinian is and works. You libel Israel with anything that sticks.
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Speaker 8: If it's revealed to be a lie, you immediately replace
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Speaker 8: it with another libel. You know, we heard that Gaza
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Speaker 8: was an open air prison. As soon as it was
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Speaker 8: revealed to be a total lie, it was replaced with
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Speaker 8: other lies, famine, genocide. But the purpose of all these
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Speaker 8: libels is not to reflect any kind of reality. The
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Speaker 8: purpose of the libels it is to create a global
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Speaker 8: mindset that, through endless repetition through laundering it and institutions
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Speaker 8: of prestige like the UN which shouldn't be but it
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Speaker 8: is Academia, a human rights organization. By laundering these libels
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Speaker 8: through supposedly respectable means, it creates for a lot of
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Speaker 8: people at twenty four to seven three sixty constant assault
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Speaker 8: that leads them to believe that Israel Zionism sometimes they
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Speaker 8: just attach it to a star of David on their
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Speaker 8: posters is uniquely evil and that the war would be
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Speaker 8: better off without it. And this is what we need
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Speaker 8: to expose, that this is the mechanism of the libel
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Speaker 8: to create, through repetition and laundering of prestige, the idea
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Speaker 8: that Israel's weekly evil and therefore should not exist.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've covered a lot on this program. Att will
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Speaker 4: great to have you on the show again. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Now still to come the release of the Epstein files.
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Speaker 3: Who is in them and who's now feeling nervous? That's next,
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Speaker 3: Welcome back. The US Congress voted today to release the
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Speaker 3: Epstein files. I spoke about this earlier today with author
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Speaker 3: and senior columnist for town Hall Kurt Schlichter.
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Speaker 4: Kurt, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 3: Congress has just passed a vote to release the Epstein files.
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Speaker 4: How did this unfold?
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Speaker 1: It's one of the most numbingly dumb things in American politics.
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Speaker 1: And I'm somebody who's followed American politics for about forty years,
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Speaker 1: so that gives you an idea of how silly the
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Speaker 1: thing is. Jeffrey Epstein was an American pervert who killed
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Speaker 1: himself in jail, waiting to go to prison for the
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Speaker 1: rest of his life. He liked to collect rich and
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Speaker 1: powerful friends, including some politicians, but also celebrities and various
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Speaker 1: other folks. Well, he had a big problem. He liked
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Speaker 1: young girls, and he liked to hook people up with
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Speaker 1: young girls, supposedly, So fast forward to now there's allegedly
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Speaker 1: an Epstein file out there with it tremendously damaging information
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Speaker 1: for all sorts of people, but they're really hoping that
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Speaker 1: it's tremendously damaging information for Donald Trump. The problem is
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Speaker 1: this information has been in the hands of the FBI
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Speaker 1: and the judicial system and the lawyers for the women
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Speaker 1: who sued and got massive multimillion dollar settlements for what
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Speaker 1: happened to them for many years. And you would think
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Speaker 1: that if Donald Trump had done any of the things
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Speaker 1: that the innu window insinuates he did. That would be
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Speaker 1: all over the media. Well, I think the Trump administration
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Speaker 1: handled it poorly in not saying, hey, throw all this
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Speaker 1: stuff out there, let the chips follow where they may.
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Speaker 1: One of the problems is it's a lot of raw
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Speaker 1: investigative material. There are people's names in it who haven't
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Speaker 1: been indicted for a crime, who maybe haven't committed a crime,
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Speaker 1: but he'll be embarrassed and may have their lives damaged
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Speaker 1: by somehow appearing in this file, whether it's innocent or not.
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Speaker 1: So we're now waiting to see what's in these files,
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Speaker 1: but of course there's not going to be the interesting
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Speaker 1: things that particularly as political enemies, both in the Democrat
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Speaker 1: Party and now some Republicans are actually hoping they'll be.
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Speaker 3: In the past day, we've also seen Larry Summer's step
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Speaker 3: back from his public appearances. But at least according to
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Speaker 3: the evidence that's in the public domain, it doesn't seem
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Speaker 3: to be much extremely solid on him. I mean, it
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Speaker 3: does seem like he corresponded with Epstein and might have
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Speaker 3: had an extramarital affair.
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Speaker 1: I can't care more about his reputation than he did
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Speaker 1: because he threw it away, and there's going to be
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Speaker 1: a lot of people like that. Epstein was somebody who
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Speaker 1: liked to collect rich and powerful friends. It has become
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Speaker 1: a big political scandal in America, in large part by
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Speaker 1: people like me on the right who are so distrustful
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Speaker 1: and so disgusted by our institutions, They're willing to believe
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Speaker 1: the absolute worst. I'm a former trial lawyer. I have
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Speaker 1: to see evidence first, and I just haven't seen the
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Speaker 1: evidence yet that this is a massive conspiracy. I think
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Speaker 1: it's a bunch of rich guys behaving terribly and they've
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Speaker 1: disgraced themselves.
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Speaker 3: Kurt can I also ask you about the role of
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Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green and all of this as well, because
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Speaker 3: this feud between her and the president is a large
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Speaker 3: part of the narrative it's playing out in the media.
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Speaker 3: It risks tearing apart the MAGA movement and even Trump's
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Speaker 3: support base.
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Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't risk anything. Look, the MAGA movement, the
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Speaker 1: American First Movement, the populist movement, is a new coalition
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Speaker 1: in American politics. It is redefined the coalitions. The Republicans
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Speaker 1: used to be the middle class party, the party of
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Speaker 1: the guy who was the buick dealer, the small businessman,
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Speaker 1: the suburbanite. This is all change. We're having growing pains
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Speaker 1: right now as a movement. This is not unexpected. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of miraculous it's taken this long
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Speaker 1: for the fault lines to shift and to have some earthquakes. Now,
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Speaker 1: who's Marjorie Taylor Green. She's what you guys in the
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Speaker 1: British tradition delightfully call a backbencher. But she's just a schmuck,
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Speaker 1: and she always was and now she got a little
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Speaker 1: big for her breaches, decided she wanted to run for
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Speaker 1: Senate in Georgia in a critical seat for the Republicans
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Speaker 1: next year. And Donald Trump looked at the polling saw
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Speaker 1: she was getting about twelve percent and said, you'll definitely
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Speaker 1: lose it for us. I won't support you. Now, she's
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Speaker 1: been very loyal to him, but you know, egos control
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Speaker 1: a lot of what's going on in human life. She
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Speaker 1: got mad. She started coboarding with the left. She's picked
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Speaker 1: up this Epstein banner, which appropriately enough is, you know,
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Speaker 1: one of the dumbest things in American politics. So it's
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Speaker 1: appropriate that one of the dumbest politicians in American politics
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Speaker 1: has taken it as her personal banner.
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Speaker 4: Really appreciate your time, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for having me a lot.
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Speaker 3: Of strong opinions on this topic. No doubt we'll see
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Speaker 3: more of that in the days ahead. All right, so
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Speaker 3: we've got time for today, And as I said earlier,
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Speaker 3: don't miss Paul Show because he's got Susan Lee coming up.
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Speaker 4: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul