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Pitching chaos returns as the Tigers steal a series · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: M and welcome in joining the episode of Tiger Territory,
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Speaker 1: part of the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tigers Podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: Kieren Steckley, and I got with me a couple of
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Speaker 1: fellas that, uh, they're bad boys in their own right,
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Speaker 1: Austin Jackson, Cody Stavidagen.
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Speaker 2: What's up, fellas?
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Speaker 3: How are we doing? What's good? Kid man? We end
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Speaker 3: this day a right.
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately we're we're not talking Pistons Game seven, but we
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Speaker 4: are gonna talk a little Tigers.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, it was a great day for down down
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Speaker 1: downtown Detroit Pistons Game seven victory, Tigers clincher series on
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Speaker 1: Sunday night Baseball prime time. And look, if you're gonna
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Speaker 1: have the Tigers on prime time, you gotta do Tigers
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Speaker 1: things and Tigers things aka pitching chaos. And we got
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Speaker 1: pitching chaos today, Cody seven to one victory six pictures. Use,
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Speaker 1: there's a couple of different elements. I kind of wanted
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Speaker 1: to just kind of prison the moment go into, but
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Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to start it with like a
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Speaker 1: little bit of an anomaly with it.
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Speaker 3: Though.
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Speaker 1: The Tigers these past couple of years, especially when you
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Speaker 1: know they've been. You know, a playoff team have as
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Speaker 1: obviously been prone to offensive slumps. It's not very often, Cody,
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Speaker 1: that the Tigers get worked by a starting pitcher.
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Speaker 2: And then win easily. Like, that's kind of what happened today.
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Speaker 1: Jack Lighter was doing his thing, man, and then he
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Speaker 1: gets tagged, you know, like Torque has the home run
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Speaker 1: on a hanging slider and you know, a couple of
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Speaker 1: runs get get added to his tally. But Jack Lighter
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Speaker 1: was doing his thing, but the Tigers still end up
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Speaker 1: with a seven to one win, a series win.
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Speaker 2: Kind of a weird anomaly.
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Speaker 1: To what is actually kind of like a common thing
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Speaker 1: these past couple of years with pitching chaos.
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Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of funny.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit strange, man. A couple of takeaways.
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Speaker 4: Jack Lighter had a five spot next to his name
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Speaker 4: through six and two thirty in, which is just kind
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Speaker 4: of not right. He was nasty. Jake Rogers said he
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Speaker 4: went up to Kyle Higgashioka before one of his at
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Speaker 4: bats and was like, oh, this guy's good. He did
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Speaker 4: tonight look very much like a pitcher. I mean I
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Speaker 4: put on X like, he looks like he's back at Vanderbilt.
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Speaker 4: I remember watching his no hitter at Vanderbilt, just carving dudes,
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Speaker 4: and it's taken him a while. It gets to that
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Speaker 4: level in the major leagues. If you play fantasy baseball, man,
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Speaker 4: maybe see if you can go add Jack Lighter. I'd
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Speaker 4: keep an eye on him. But a real good job
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Speaker 4: by the Tigers, a little bit of another quintessential Tigers victory.
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Speaker 4: Chipping away at him, you get a walk, you get
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Speaker 4: a big torucomer O two pitch by the way, some
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Speaker 4: good two strike Kevin McGonagall two strike RBI, two strike,
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Speaker 4: two out hitting tonight. Some of that was good at bats.
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Speaker 4: Some of that was maybe just some good fortune. Some balls,
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Speaker 4: some balls fall, they chipped away, some bloops fall McGonagall,
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Speaker 4: another ball that hit the the lip in front of
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Speaker 4: home plate and bounces into right field. But you know
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Speaker 4: that scrapping that trademark, tell your scrappiness. That's still part
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Speaker 4: of this team. And then pitching chaos worked to perfection
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Speaker 4: and it felt a little bit like the tail end
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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four watching that game.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I liked it. That's why I liked the game.
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Speaker 5: When you have a pitch of this dominant, like you know,
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Speaker 5: Jack was dominant tonight.
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Speaker 3: But it's the beauty of the game.
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Speaker 5: Is all it takes is one pitch, one pitch and
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Speaker 5: a certain account to change the game. And it's just
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Speaker 5: kind of like a basketball player. It's like, you know,
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Speaker 5: he's gonna get his, you know, just you know he's
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Speaker 5: going to get his. Just keep everybody else in check.
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Speaker 5: You know, we can just keep him in check and
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Speaker 5: wait for a pitch. That tort got and he handled
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Speaker 5: it perfectly. It's almost like he was sitting on it
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Speaker 5: that at bat. You know, he took the fastball away,
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Speaker 5: real good pitch. That's what one of those strike balls
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Speaker 5: we talked about. You know, we're half of us in,
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Speaker 5: half half of us out. Then throw the high cheese
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Speaker 5: that he was a little bit late on, and then
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Speaker 5: he comes back with the curveball, and it's like that.
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Speaker 5: That's why the game is beautiful, man, because sometimes it
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Speaker 5: works like that. You're down O two and a guy
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Speaker 5: leaves the ball over the middle of the play and
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Speaker 5: you're ready to hit and you don't miss it.
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Speaker 3: Same thing with McGonagall.
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Speaker 5: You know, you see that, uh that that pitch in
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Speaker 5: the middle of the zone with two strikes right there
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Speaker 5: against a really good contact hitter, and he made him
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Speaker 5: pay for it, and those are the things that helped
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Speaker 5: him win the game. Though they didn't come out and
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Speaker 5: they were slugging the ball over the all over the place.
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Speaker 5: We talked about Rogers got some some really key hits
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Speaker 5: and that was awesome to see that going the other way.
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Speaker 5: But other than that, not too much was going on offensively.
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Speaker 5: But those are the type of things that you love
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Speaker 5: to see. It wasn't a big night from the offense,
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Speaker 5: but it was good enough against a really good pitcher
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Speaker 5: to get the win.
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Speaker 4: I mean it, I'll put the seventh spot on the board.
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Speaker 4: It is a big night for the offense.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't feel like it get it away. I don't want
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Speaker 3: to take nothing away from it. It was seven runs.
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Speaker 3: That's nothing to sneeze that right there.
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Speaker 4: Here's the other thing. The Tigers punched well ten times
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Speaker 4: against Jack Lighter walked I think only once, but they're
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Speaker 4: they're at back quality. Despite ten punches, one walk I
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Speaker 4: thought was still pretty good. And that's something we might
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Speaker 4: need to start talking about a little bit more with
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Speaker 4: this team. Dan Dickerson's been saying that a lot on
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Speaker 4: the radio, lowest chase rate in the American League right now,
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Speaker 4: they're they're doing real well in contact rate, like some
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Speaker 4: of the flaws that really hurt this offense in August
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Speaker 4: and September of last year. At least so far, it's early,
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Speaker 4: but it's been reversed. This has been a high contact,
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Speaker 4: low chase offense. And that makes a difference in a
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Speaker 4: game like tonight, where a pitcher does set you down
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Speaker 4: a few times, but you're able to stay stick with
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Speaker 4: the plan have some quality at bats even once it's tough.
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Speaker 1: I actually thought there were a live examples this weekend
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Speaker 1: of like the offense kind of you know, water finding
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Speaker 1: its level a little bit with some of the base
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Speaker 1: hits and and and uh and and run scoring that occurred.
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Speaker 1: Is like guys that we hadn't necessarily been singing their
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Speaker 1: praises were coming up big. I mean Lee had one
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Speaker 1: as well, you know, Like I just feel like this
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Speaker 1: was an example this weekend of just sort of like
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Speaker 1: the plan being executed well and speaking. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: no better example than when you win seven to one
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Speaker 1: and you use six pitchers and I'm just gonna read
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Speaker 1: them in order here. Uh, Tyler Holden started the game
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Speaker 1: only I mean it's it's a shame, like he was
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Speaker 1: only going to face what the first three hitters and
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Speaker 1: it's like, you're out of there, guy, But you know.
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Speaker 2: So he only gets credit for point two.
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Speaker 1: But then you have handed Feet and Herder and Benasco
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Speaker 1: who you know obviously makes his debut, uh Finnigan and
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Speaker 1: and Smith. So six guys to give up one run.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole point of pitching chaos is to
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Speaker 1: keep the other team on their toes and sort.
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Speaker 2: Of like be more in control.
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Speaker 1: From like a Chris Fetter and an AJ Hints perspective,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to say. It's really impossible to say that
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Speaker 1: did not occur today. They were in control and that
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Speaker 1: resulted in the win.
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Speaker 4: The pitching chaos as a concept remains fascinating. We saw
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Speaker 4: it basically carry the Tigers to the twenty twenty four playoffs,
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Speaker 4: and we saw last year when they went to it
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Speaker 4: the bullpen games it didn't really work as well. I
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Speaker 4: don't have the numbers in front of me in bullpen games,
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Speaker 4: but it didn't work near as well. But I still
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Speaker 4: think it's important that this team has that in their
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Speaker 4: tool bag because every now and then you see why
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Speaker 4: it can be effective. I still know if it can
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Speaker 4: be effective if you're doing it day in and day
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Speaker 4: out like the Tigers wear at the tail end of
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. But every now and then, when you're
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Speaker 4: in a pinch, you can win a game doing this.
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Speaker 4: And it's pretty It's pretty simple. Why if you can
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Speaker 4: have Corey Seeger face a less handed pitcher every time
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Speaker 4: he's at the plate, Brandon Emo face a left handed
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Speaker 4: pitcher every time he's out the play. I mean, those
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Speaker 4: pitchers still have to execute, they still have to get
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Speaker 4: the outs, but you were able to dictate the matchups
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Speaker 4: you want throughout the entire game. That's pretty much. It's
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Speaker 4: pretty much that simple. Like that's why it works. You
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Speaker 4: always run the risk. Now if one guy blows up,
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Speaker 4: you know, you kind of got to tear up your
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Speaker 4: whole script and then you can be in trouble. But
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Speaker 4: tonight was one of those games where it was just
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Speaker 4: rolling and aj Hinch is able to kind of neutralize
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Speaker 4: the top of the Texas order and those good lefties
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Speaker 4: and the Text order all night long, and yeah, worked perfection.
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Speaker 4: Brent Herder should get a lot of love too, man.
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Speaker 4: He's been really good, especially the Tyler Holton struggling, Herders
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Speaker 4: stepped up and Ben Nails as a lefty out of
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Speaker 4: the pin.
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Speaker 5: What I was good for him too, is you know,
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Speaker 5: to get those those first two outs. And I felt
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Speaker 5: like a like a parent watching some kids argue, and
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Speaker 5: you know, you always want to be you know, jump
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Speaker 5: in and be judgmental, real coqick.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 5: I was like, you know, the first thing I wanted
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Speaker 5: to do as soon as I seen him pull him
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Speaker 5: out with two shikes, I want to start making judge.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to judge, like why is this? You know.
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Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I'm gonna let him fight.
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna let him fight because I want to see
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Speaker 5: what's gonna happen. And sometimes, you know, I gotta step in,
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Speaker 5: but sometimes they figure it out and it works out,
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Speaker 5: and I'm glad I didn't step in. So I say
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Speaker 5: that to say I'm glad I didn't pass any judgment
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Speaker 5: because it worked. It worked, And we talked about it
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Speaker 5: before about how hard that is seeing a different picture
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Speaker 5: every at back. You can't get comfortable, you know, and
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Speaker 5: a lot of the times, at least from my experience,
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Speaker 5: like facing guys coming out of the bullpen, you're getting
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Speaker 5: nasty stuff, you know what I mean, Like you might
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Speaker 5: get a nasty picture like Jack, but you kind of
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Speaker 5: start to see his routine, you know what he has.
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Speaker 5: So there are certain things that I can maybe sit
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Speaker 5: on from a back to that bat. But when you're
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Speaker 5: facing a different guy out of the bullpen every at bat,
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Speaker 5: that is that's not fun. Man, that is not fun
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Speaker 5: because these guys are coming out of their nasty he
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Speaker 5: throwing from all different arm angles. You got you know,
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Speaker 5: mid to high velocity, just different off speed stuff that
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Speaker 5: you got to look for, and you have to try
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Speaker 5: to plan for, you know, each and every bat.
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Speaker 3: So I thought it was cool.
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Speaker 5: I was gonna patch pass a little judgment at first,
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Speaker 5: but I stepped, I took a step back. I said,
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Speaker 5: let's see if they Let's see if they figure it out.
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Speaker 5: And they did and it was awesome.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 5: I was actually I was like, this is this is
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Speaker 5: genius when it works right. When it works, it's not
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Speaker 5: something you probably want to throw out there every day,
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Speaker 5: as you mentioned, Cody, but why not have that in
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Speaker 5: the toolbag and use that to throw teams off from
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Speaker 5: time to time, especially if you got to start it.
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Speaker 3: This hurt I think that it possibly could work. So
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Speaker 3: and it did tonight.
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Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely, I mean AJ was in his bag, there's
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Speaker 1: no doubt. And of course it's a nationally televised game,
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Speaker 1: and you know they throwing it to him on the
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Speaker 1: camera and he's writing down on the paper. It's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's doing his thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he do what he's doing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we are going to take a quick
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here before we get to Jack Flairy,
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Speaker 1: I did want to give a shout out to Jake
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Speaker 1: Rodgers real quick because he's been He's been a guy
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Speaker 1: that like essentially was put on the bench. We talk
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Speaker 1: about things like last season, the tail end of the season,
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Speaker 1: he was essentially put on the bench partially because Dylan
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Speaker 1: Dingler was and you know, obviously is like still good.
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Speaker 2: He's gonn't afford not to have him in the lineup.
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Speaker 1: But Jake Rodgers is a guy that is always the same, always,
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Speaker 1: always has a right attitude and the skill set, you know,
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Speaker 1: exactly what you're getting from Jake Rogers. I love that
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Speaker 1: he had a triple today on a pitching chaos day,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, if you think that AJ Hinch doesn't
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Speaker 1: trust j Rogers pitching chaos, he's got Rogers behind the plate,
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Speaker 1: and then he delivers a knock and obviously scores a
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Speaker 1: run too, So I want to give him.
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Speaker 2: A quick quick shout out there.
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Speaker 1: And then also, Cody, we didn't talk about this beforehand,
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Speaker 1: so I do apologize, but one of the things that
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Speaker 1: stuck out to me on the broadcast today on NBC
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Speaker 1: to watch the game was Jason Bennetti and Dan Pecher,
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Speaker 1: who obviously have chemistry, you know, they were talking about
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Speaker 1: who's the leader on the Tigers and Petrie, who is
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Speaker 1: around the team every day, like like he knows the
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Speaker 1: Tigers and he knows ball, like had to like take
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Speaker 1: a second to really think about it and then decided
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Speaker 1: that like the catchers like Dingler and Jake were kind
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Speaker 1: of the quote unquote leaders in the clubhouse. So I
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Speaker 1: kind of wanted like your perspective on that, Cody, because
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Speaker 1: like before Dan answered the question I gave like my guests,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, well, well, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: Like I could immediately come up with like a definitive answer,
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Speaker 1: but you're there every day, so I'm kind of curious,
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Speaker 1: like your interpretation of the question and the answer from Petrion,
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Speaker 1: who you would define as quot unquote the leader.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I ultimately agree with Dan. I mean
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Speaker 4: in a way that's been somewhat of a yeah, like
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Speaker 4: a problem that Tyger have had the past few years.
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Speaker 4: There's not the Marcus Simeon. There's not the you know,
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Speaker 4: Aaron Judge. There's not the whoever you want to say,
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Speaker 4: like that clear captain type, veteran established player. Some of
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Speaker 4: their best hitters, like Riley Green is energetic in the dugout,
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Speaker 4: but I don't think he's like that, you know that
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Speaker 4: like pied piper type. Everyone follows him like they don't
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Speaker 4: really have that guy. I think Dylan Dingler is becoming
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Speaker 4: that a little bit now. Dingler is a little more quiet,
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Speaker 4: just very stoic, a little more of the you know,
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Speaker 4: not to get too far into cliches, but like the
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Speaker 4: lead by example, Jake Rogers, I do think is maybe
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Speaker 4: the closest thing there is to like the guy who
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Speaker 4: kind of sets the tone, the guy who you know
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Speaker 4: is the glue guy in the clubhouse. I think he
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Speaker 4: organizes stuff in terms of vocal team events, all that stuff. Now,
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Speaker 4: I throw Trek Scouble right in there too. I mean,
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Speaker 4: he's a pitcher, so he's not on the field every day,
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Speaker 4: so can he really be the leader? But Terrek as
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Speaker 4: he's emerged, I mean he does a lot in terms
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Speaker 4: of like organizing team dinners, and you know, his wife
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Speaker 4: organizes stuff for the wives and things of that nature.
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Speaker 4: So a little bit of schooble that. I think the
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Speaker 4: catchers too, you could argue it'd still be nice, you know,
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Speaker 4: if they had the yeah, the not to bring up
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Speaker 4: Alex Bregman, But like, they don't really have that guy.
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Speaker 4: But maybe that that void is filled somewhat when you
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Speaker 4: have your number two catcher in Jake Rogers being as
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Speaker 4: good of a vocal leader as he is.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and also too, I don't really think that you know,
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Speaker 5: in this day and age, like and I think everything
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Speaker 5: you know is different and for different teams, some teams
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Speaker 5: need that veteran leadership, But I think with this group
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Speaker 5: it's It's different in a way because they've been playing
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Speaker 5: together and it doesn't have to be just that one
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Speaker 5: vocal leader like pump up, come on guys. I think
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Speaker 5: it's several guys and I think it's that way because
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Speaker 5: of the camaraderie that they they've just kind of grown
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Speaker 5: over the years. You know, they kind of got a
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Speaker 5: core group, and I think within that core group, they're
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Speaker 5: probably all.
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Speaker 3: Leaders in their way, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 5: And I just played on teams where it was like
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Speaker 5: there wasn't one clear leader.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 5: We had an American guy that was the leader, then
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Speaker 5: we had a Dominican guy that was kind of the leader,
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Speaker 5: and it kind of brought the group together as a whole,
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Speaker 5: and everybody trusted both of those guys. We had a
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Speaker 5: picture that I felt was the leader. We had a
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Speaker 5: closer that I felt was a leader. It was like
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Speaker 5: all the guys kind of stepped up and led in
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Speaker 5: their way, and it wasn't just you know, one guy
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Speaker 5: that that you could say, Hey, this is the guy
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Speaker 5: that that leads us. It was it was kind of
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Speaker 5: a you know, a group effort and it ended up
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Speaker 5: working out that way, and I could see that being
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Speaker 5: the way that way with this this Tigers group as well.
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Speaker 4: It's actually a great point. And yeah, some of the
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Speaker 4: the culture they fostered over the years, it wouldn't be
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Speaker 4: quite the same if they did have. You know, some
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Speaker 4: some veterans of the room we talked to this offseason
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Speaker 4: about like now you feel like they've grown up to
17:28
Speaker 4: the point you can bring a Verland or you can
17:30
Speaker 4: bring a Kinley Jansen into this room. But there's been
17:34
Speaker 4: some some pluses to allow in this young group to
17:36
Speaker 4: to grow up together as well.
17:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that all makes a lot of sense. And
17:42
Speaker 1: and sometimes like sometimes this stuff just happens naturally, and
17:48
Speaker 1: and I think that's what you're speaking on Austin, where
17:50
Speaker 1: it's like it like it happens organically obviously, Like obviously
17:55
Speaker 1: athletes can spot a phony, and I don't really see
17:59
Speaker 1: a lot of phony.
18:00
Speaker 2: On this team, you know what I mean. Like there's
18:02
Speaker 2: no like, you know, somebody.
18:04
Speaker 1: Who's just kind of doing it for the sake of
18:06
Speaker 1: doing it or whatever. And I want to give credit
18:08
Speaker 1: to the guys that always like speak to the media
18:11
Speaker 1: and the kind of like become faces of it, even
18:12
Speaker 1: if they're not quote unquote leaders, like I think Torque
18:15
Speaker 1: falls into that cody where it's like he was always
18:18
Speaker 1: willing to be the face of it, even though like
18:20
Speaker 1: he's not the face.
18:21
Speaker 2: Of this franchise, you know what I mean.
18:22
Speaker 1: So so I just wanted to make make note of that,
18:26
Speaker 1: all right, So Jack Flaherty, not the best outing on Friday,
18:32
Speaker 1: not the best season for our guy Jack. Right now,
18:38
Speaker 1: he's got a five ninety e RA and as of
18:42
Speaker 1: this recording, he leads major League Baseball and walks and
18:48
Speaker 1: and and Jack And that's twenty five walks with thirty
18:53
Speaker 1: two strikeouts, just for the record. And Jack is one
18:56
Speaker 1: of those guys man that, like you typically he can
19:00
Speaker 1: know pretty quickly whether he's on or not.
19:05
Speaker 3: Uh.
19:05
Speaker 1: And and he also and I mean this like respectfully,
19:09
Speaker 1: like he is also someone that you can kind of
19:12
Speaker 1: tell how he's feeling.
19:13
Speaker 2: When he's on the mound, you know.
19:14
Speaker 3: Uh.
19:15
Speaker 1: They like what I'm saying is he cares, you know
19:18
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like when he's you could tell when
19:20
Speaker 1: he's like frustrated with himself, and you know he.
19:22
Speaker 3: Was he wors his emotions on his sleeves.
19:25
Speaker 5: He wears yeah, yeah.
19:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes he's not.
19:28
Speaker 1: Sometimes he's not always Like as retrospective now, Look, he's
19:32
Speaker 1: not required to be, so I don't mean this as
19:34
Speaker 1: a criticism, but sometimes he's not always retrospective with the
19:37
Speaker 1: media about like what's.
19:39
Speaker 2: Kind of going on.
19:41
Speaker 1: But he was on Friday Night, Cody, So what what
19:44
Speaker 1: was that kind of like seeing Jack kind of go
19:47
Speaker 1: through everything?
19:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, Uh, it was fascinating. It was humanizing
19:53
Speaker 4: for sure. If we're just being real, Jack's probably the
19:58
Speaker 4: toughest guy to deal with post game, or toughest guy
20:01
Speaker 4: to deal with from a media perspective. And I don't
20:04
Speaker 4: even say that like in a negative way. I think
20:08
Speaker 4: there's a side of Jack that's a really smart and
20:10
Speaker 4: thoughtful guy, and some of that probably just means he
20:13
Speaker 4: doesn't like communicating through the media. That's not always like
20:16
Speaker 4: the most authentic setting, right. But Jack can be really tough,
20:20
Speaker 4: especially after a tough outing. But he finally kind of
20:24
Speaker 4: opened up after this one, which unfortunately is I think
20:27
Speaker 4: a reflection of how tough things are for him right now.
20:31
Speaker 4: But I want to credit Jack for taking us inside
20:34
Speaker 4: his mind a little bit, because I certainly walked away
20:37
Speaker 4: from that with like, I don't know, I don't know
20:40
Speaker 4: if fans view this the same as you know, me,
20:43
Speaker 4: being someone who's standing right there listening to this guy
20:46
Speaker 4: kind of open up his soul. But I think you
20:48
Speaker 4: walk away from it a little less like, oh, well,
20:51
Speaker 4: that guy you know was crappy on the mounta tonight,
20:53
Speaker 4: and more like hmm, like this guy's trying, this guy
20:57
Speaker 4: wants to be good and it's just not happening.
20:59
Speaker 3: You know.
21:00
Speaker 4: Jack talked a lot about he's had these stretches fifteen
21:03
Speaker 4: to twenty pitches and most of his outings this season
21:06
Speaker 4: where he feels like he just loses the strike zone
21:09
Speaker 4: and like there's no real solution. It's not like one
21:12
Speaker 4: mechanical tweak and it's not even necessarily his whole outing. Now,
21:16
Speaker 4: you could argue, like, has his stuff been one point
21:19
Speaker 4: you know all the time? No, are you seeing a
21:21
Speaker 4: little more eighty nine to ninety than you would like
21:23
Speaker 4: at times? Yeah, it's not just those fifteen to twenty
21:27
Speaker 4: pitch stretches. But Krean to your point, Jack Flaherty should
21:30
Speaker 4: not be leading the league in walks like Jack Flaherty
21:33
Speaker 4: at times can comman the ball at a near elite level.
21:36
Speaker 4: He can be a really good finesse pitcher. So that's
21:39
Speaker 4: a clear signs it's really the walks more than the
21:42
Speaker 4: loud contact that's bothering him that he said is agonizing,
21:46
Speaker 4: it's keeping him up at night. So you know, you
21:50
Speaker 4: guys can read the story on the Athletic. It probably
21:53
Speaker 4: goes into Jack's mind and maybe explains a little better
21:56
Speaker 4: than I'm explaining it right now. Obviously Jack has to
22:00
Speaker 4: be better for the Tigers, right Like we all know
22:02
Speaker 4: that he's making twenty mil too, so there's no real recourse,
22:06
Speaker 4: like he has to consent to being option. They're not
22:09
Speaker 4: going to option Jack Flaherty and he's making twenty mil.
22:12
Speaker 4: They're not kicking him out of the rotation next week.
22:14
Speaker 4: Aj Hinch was quite adamant, saying, hey, we're behind him,
22:18
Speaker 4: but for the Tigers to be the type of team
22:20
Speaker 4: they want to be, you know, you can't have that
22:22
Speaker 4: hole in your rotation. So it'll be interesting to see
22:25
Speaker 4: what's going on. Maybe there's some physical tweaks. Obviously some
22:30
Speaker 4: of this is between Jack's ears as well, but I
22:33
Speaker 4: would I would tell everyone out there, like, don't don't
22:36
Speaker 4: just totally trash the guy. It's uh, he's trying and
22:39
Speaker 4: it's just not working. And sometimes that's tough to see
22:42
Speaker 4: and tough to listen to, Godi.
22:45
Speaker 5: You know what I want to commend you for, you know,
22:48
Speaker 5: like taking the time out to really understand that we
22:51
Speaker 5: got feelings too, you know what I mean, Like we
22:54
Speaker 5: got feelings too, and we put on this mass daily
22:57
Speaker 5: to try to act like we some some tough dudes.
23:00
Speaker 5: But man, like the down Hey, we got feelings too, man,
23:03
Speaker 5: especially when you got a whole bunch of competitors, Dude,
23:05
Speaker 5: like they care.
23:07
Speaker 3: They really do care, man.
23:08
Speaker 5: Everybody cares about their craft and wants to be better.
23:11
Speaker 5: Everybody wants to add value to a team and show
23:14
Speaker 5: ultimately that they have what it takes to make a
23:17
Speaker 5: team better. So and I think that you hit it
23:20
Speaker 5: right on the head, right of the nail, right on
23:22
Speaker 5: the head when you said that a lot of it
23:24
Speaker 5: is in between the ears. A lot of it is
23:27
Speaker 5: like you said, you mentioned it's keeping him up at night. Man, Hey,
23:31
Speaker 5: that can start creeping in between the ears very quickly.
23:35
Speaker 5: And you know, he's a veteran picture, He's been there,
23:39
Speaker 5: he's done that. He understands what he needs to do
23:42
Speaker 5: is just figuring out how to get there.
23:45
Speaker 3: Right.
23:45
Speaker 5: It's not not always an overnight fix. You know, there
23:49
Speaker 5: might be some things where you have to go in
23:51
Speaker 5: and study a little bit. You might have to look
23:53
Speaker 5: at some film and you might can tweak some things mechanically.
23:56
Speaker 5: But again, a lot of this is going to have
23:59
Speaker 5: to be with the the confidence in between the ears
24:02
Speaker 5: and just kind of getting that that you know, dog
24:05
Speaker 5: mentality again, you know, because Jack is a dog.
24:08
Speaker 3: Now, don't get it twisted.
24:09
Speaker 5: He's not performing like he can obviously, but it's definitely
24:15
Speaker 5: in there, and you are correct with if the Tigers
24:18
Speaker 5: want to be the team that we know they can
24:20
Speaker 5: be and get as far as they've been getting these
24:23
Speaker 5: past couple of years, he's going to be a piece
24:25
Speaker 5: to it. And I think that he will figure it out.
24:28
Speaker 5: He has to get out of his head, man, And
24:29
Speaker 5: that's easier said than done, right, I can say, hey,
24:32
Speaker 5: stop thinking about it and just go Yeah, it's not
24:35
Speaker 5: that easy, it's really not. But at the same he's
24:38
Speaker 5: he's a professional, he's a veteran, and I think that
24:41
Speaker 5: he has I think he has the makeup, the mental
24:44
Speaker 5: makeup to to figure it out and eventually, you know,
24:48
Speaker 5: you know, help this team win ball games.
24:50
Speaker 3: That's the hope. Anyways.
24:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just from a strict baseball standpoint. I do
24:55
Speaker 4: think this is among the single biggest storylines for this
24:58
Speaker 4: team right now, Like Kenju flairity get right, especially with
25:01
Speaker 4: Casey Mais hurt, with Verlander hurt, with all these other
25:04
Speaker 4: injuries stacking up with some uncertainty in your bullpen, like
25:09
Speaker 4: this is the thing where seasons can start to go sideways.
25:12
Speaker 3: Now.
25:12
Speaker 4: The Tigers are fortunate in the schedule this month seems
25:16
Speaker 4: to work in their favor. They missed Jacob de Gram
25:19
Speaker 4: and Nati Gavaldi against the Rangers. They'll miss Garrett Crochet's
25:23
Speaker 4: injured Sworez with the Red Sox. I believe they are
25:28
Speaker 4: going to miss Cole Reagan's and Seth Lugo against the Royals.
25:32
Speaker 4: So the schedules working in their favor. But a team
25:35
Speaker 4: that you wanted to be based off pitching, like we
25:37
Speaker 4: just talked about, actually their offense, a lot of things
25:40
Speaker 4: about the profile of their lineup has been probably better
25:43
Speaker 4: than I would have expected. They haven't really been that
25:46
Speaker 4: pitching and maybe defense team that we thought. So I'm
25:51
Speaker 4: concerned about the pitching for sure, and getting that right
25:55
Speaker 4: and having a good summer might start with someone like
25:58
Speaker 4: Jack Flaherty getting back.
25:59
Speaker 3: On track.
26:03
Speaker 2: Another guy that I want to myself.
26:08
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's May third, you know what
26:10
Speaker 1: I mean, Like there's a lot of there's a lot
26:12
Speaker 1: of season left for Jack Flarity. I am curious thought Austin,
26:16
Speaker 1: just like generally speaking, like you know your your guy
26:21
Speaker 1: on the team, you know, and you have a Jack
26:24
Speaker 1: Flaherty type who is a veteran guy that you know,
26:28
Speaker 1: like is talented and and canned deal.
26:32
Speaker 3: But.
26:34
Speaker 1: He's had a bad stretch and like it's it's his
26:37
Speaker 1: day today. Are you going into that game thinking like
26:43
Speaker 1: what are you thinking anything different? Like maybe we gotta
26:46
Speaker 1: get some more runs because so and so doesn't isn't
26:49
Speaker 1: having it right now?
26:51
Speaker 2: Do I do I have to do?
26:52
Speaker 1: I have to you know, lunge a little bit more
26:55
Speaker 1: to get that in between ball because like I gotta
26:58
Speaker 1: steal some outs. Like is there any different mindset when
27:01
Speaker 1: there's a talented guy in the mound that just isn't
27:04
Speaker 1: performing well recently?
27:07
Speaker 5: All the above that you said, Karen, honestly, man like,
27:10
Speaker 5: when you see a teammate that you know is capable of,
27:14
Speaker 5: you know more than obviously what they're showing, you want
27:17
Speaker 5: to you want to do all you can to help
27:18
Speaker 5: help that guy out right, like you, you know that
27:22
Speaker 5: he's up there, you know, going through it, going through
27:25
Speaker 5: all this, uh, you know these things mentally and ultimately
27:29
Speaker 5: you just want to be that teammate that that lets
27:32
Speaker 5: them know, hey, we're here for you brother, like we're
27:34
Speaker 5: gonna fight and scratch all these at bats out. You know,
27:39
Speaker 5: I'm I'm going I'm going all out for you on defense,
27:43
Speaker 5: and that's how it is every game. But you obviously
27:45
Speaker 5: want to know, you know, let Jack know like, hey man,
27:48
Speaker 5: I got you brother, Hey go after a picture game,
27:51
Speaker 5: let us take care of it, because you know, that's
27:53
Speaker 5: ultimately what our job is behind the picture is to
27:56
Speaker 5: when they put it in play, we get that out,
27:58
Speaker 5: so that that would be my mindset, like you you're
28:01
Speaker 5: absolutely right on all that man, and you know, just
28:04
Speaker 5: keeping his spirits hat man. You know, that's that's the
28:06
Speaker 5: that's the biggest thing is we all get down and
28:09
Speaker 5: there's nothing better than a teammate that sees that and
28:11
Speaker 5: understands that, you know, if you're going through a little
28:14
Speaker 5: struggle to pick you up a little bit.
28:17
Speaker 4: On the flip side of that, one guy who's been
28:19
Speaker 4: huge hearing Cater Montero.
28:21
Speaker 3: I mean when you.
28:22
Speaker 4: Six and two third Saturday night, that Sunday bullpen game,
28:26
Speaker 4: I don't know where you're at if you don't get
28:28
Speaker 4: such a lengthy outing out of Cater Montero and and
28:31
Speaker 4: Drew Anderson, who's only allowed one run over his past
28:35
Speaker 4: what eight innings, uh punched out I think twelve in
28:38
Speaker 4: that time. So right when we were ready to give
28:41
Speaker 4: up on Drew Anderson, he has quickly kind of righted
28:44
Speaker 4: the ship. Uh So maybe that in itself is some
28:47
Speaker 4: kind of lesson. Again, it is May third these you know,
28:50
Speaker 4: we're we're still really early here.
28:53
Speaker 3: Well.
28:53
Speaker 1: One of the things that I like to do is
28:56
Speaker 1: sort of like make a list that can be updated
28:59
Speaker 1: any time, and normally we do it later in the year,
29:02
Speaker 1: but it's been definitely uh prevalent this season so far.
29:07
Speaker 2: Is like the where would the Tigers be without X list?
29:11
Speaker 1: And and and and Montero is high on that list,
29:15
Speaker 1: uh and and I would be remiss if I didn't
29:18
Speaker 1: mention too like one of the things that enables this,
29:21
Speaker 1: uh this bullpen day is what Montero did, but also
29:26
Speaker 1: school ball and from are coming up, and so like that.
29:29
Speaker 1: It's a in theory should be somewhat of a cushion
29:33
Speaker 1: for the bullpen guys that like AJ has a little
29:36
Speaker 1: bit more. I guess you would say length of his
29:40
Speaker 1: game plan that he could use. So we'll see, if
29:42
Speaker 1: you know, school Ball and Fromber do their thing, you know,
29:45
Speaker 1: after this. But Montero did it, and then the bullpen
29:48
Speaker 1: guys did it, and obviously the hitters got the runs
29:50
Speaker 1: across that made it made it feasible.
29:52
Speaker 2: Uh.
29:53
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get to some injury news. We
29:57
Speaker 1: probably should have gotten to this sooner, but we got
29:59
Speaker 1: caught up.
29:59
Speaker 4: In some the others just might take an hour to
30:01
Speaker 4: go through all the injury.
30:04
Speaker 1: There's you know, you know, they say like there's a difference.
30:07
Speaker 1: Every athlete that you know has has kind of come
30:10
Speaker 1: up playing sports has heard the difference like are you
30:12
Speaker 1: hurt or are you injured?
30:14
Speaker 2: And the Tigers are.
30:15
Speaker 1: Kind of the Tigers are kind of like going going
30:19
Speaker 1: through that a little bit because you know, you have
30:22
Speaker 1: Glabor comes out the game on uh on Saturday, and
30:26
Speaker 1: it's like you fear that he's injured, and I guess
30:29
Speaker 1: as of now we can say he's hurt and not injured.
30:33
Speaker 1: Ken Lee Janssen, you would call, I guess hurt and
30:36
Speaker 1: not injured hopefully, and.
30:39
Speaker 2: Then will Vest that's probably one of the ones that's.
30:42
Speaker 1: Most concerning, although we I think we have somewhat better
30:46
Speaker 1: news than what the transaction wire would indicate with the
30:50
Speaker 1: right forearm inflammation and what how AJ described.
30:54
Speaker 2: And of course, like you know, Verlander's still doing his thing.
30:56
Speaker 1: Troy Melton had to rehab start, so there's there's a
30:59
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on.
31:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, where do we want to start. Let's start with
31:02
Speaker 4: will Vest. You hear four arm inflammation.
31:06
Speaker 3: Vest.
31:06
Speaker 4: We've kind of been worried about him for a while
31:08
Speaker 4: in that regard. Good news is he's had an MRI.
31:12
Speaker 4: Sounds like there's no structural damage. Again, we'll we'll see,
31:16
Speaker 4: let's let this play out, see what happens when that
31:18
Speaker 4: inflammation goes down. But in theory they've they've avoided anything major,
31:24
Speaker 4: but clearly something was was not right and so he
31:28
Speaker 4: is on the shelf. Kinley Jansen hasn't pitched and I
31:31
Speaker 4: don't have him from me. When the last time you pitched,
31:33
Speaker 4: like five six days since he gave up the walkoff
31:36
Speaker 4: in Atlanta, I guess he was dealing with a groin issue.
31:40
Speaker 4: AJ Hinch kind of made it sound like a non issue,
31:42
Speaker 4: like he was day to day they expect to get back.
31:45
Speaker 4: Talking to Kenley Jansen about it, he didn't necessarily sound
31:48
Speaker 4: as optimistic, you know. He said, clearly I'm not right,
31:52
Speaker 4: like I don't want to hurt the team, But he was,
31:54
Speaker 4: I believe, warming up in the Sunday game. He didn't
31:58
Speaker 4: get in the game once the time years went up
32:00
Speaker 4: seven to one, but it sounds as though they were
32:02
Speaker 4: prepared to use him. So I'll be very interested to see,
32:06
Speaker 4: you know, how he's doing, if he's able to get
32:08
Speaker 4: on the mound. Clearly, you know you want him out
32:12
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, but you also don't want to I
32:14
Speaker 4: l him, but you also, I mean, the Tigers tried
32:18
Speaker 4: to avoid putting will Vest on the il. They didn't
32:21
Speaker 4: pitch him for what five days, and there were a
32:23
Speaker 4: couple of situations where they probably could or should have
32:26
Speaker 4: used him, and so as that lingered, they finally just
32:29
Speaker 4: were like, okay, we you know, we got to make
32:31
Speaker 4: the transaction here, and again for a pitcher, it's fifteen days.
32:35
Speaker 4: So if a guy's dealing with something and you think
32:36
Speaker 4: it's going to keep him out for like six days,
32:39
Speaker 4: you know, and he's one of your better relievers. What
32:41
Speaker 4: do you what do you do? That's a tough spot
32:43
Speaker 4: to be in. Vest hit the il Kinlee Jansen has
32:47
Speaker 4: not hit the il So that's that's where we're at
32:49
Speaker 4: with that. Glabor sounds like he's he's okay. We'll see
32:54
Speaker 4: when he gets back in the lineup. And then not
32:56
Speaker 4: an injury but a transaction. We're sitting there. We saw
32:59
Speaker 4: his act short at the ballpark, right, so I'm thinking, okay,
33:02
Speaker 4: they Glabor must be hurt. No, before they even announced
33:06
Speaker 4: the move, I see Jace Young come out of the
33:09
Speaker 4: locker room with his bag packed, and I'm like, what
33:12
Speaker 4: is going on? I feel bad for Jase Man because
33:16
Speaker 4: he had a nice game Saturday and he just is
33:18
Speaker 4: unable to get any extended run in the major leagues.
33:22
Speaker 4: Zach Short is up in his place, So the Tigers
33:24
Speaker 4: swapped out a left handed hitter in Jase for a
33:26
Speaker 4: right handed hitter and Zach Short. Now, Zach Short is
33:30
Speaker 4: like one of the all time best dudes in the game.
33:32
Speaker 4: This guy is going to be a coach or a
33:34
Speaker 4: manager or nag Zach or a broadcaster or a pro golfer.
33:38
Speaker 3: Whatever.
33:39
Speaker 4: He wants to do. But I wasn't so sure about
33:42
Speaker 4: about that roster move. I guess the Tigers want to
33:45
Speaker 4: maybe some lefties out of the Texas pin a lefty
33:49
Speaker 4: starter coming up in Boston. But it's kind of funny,
33:53
Speaker 4: like the Tigers could have got anyone in the league
33:55
Speaker 4: for short stop depth, and they traded for Zack Short
33:59
Speaker 4: and brought him right up to the major leagues. I
34:01
Speaker 4: think it's an indicator. Even though you know all these numbers,
34:04
Speaker 4: all these analytics, there's still like some human bias even
34:07
Speaker 4: in front office decision making. Everyone likes Zach Short and
34:11
Speaker 4: that's brought right back to the Tiger's clubhouse. And Jase,
34:14
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, is just you know, you gotta wonder
34:16
Speaker 4: kind of what his role in this organization.
34:18
Speaker 3: Is going forward.
34:19
Speaker 4: He's just not been able to get any consistent run.
34:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
34:25
Speaker 1: I obviously in Texas, a lot of tech fans you
34:30
Speaker 1: know that obviously remember Jays very well, and you know
34:33
Speaker 1: Josh too obviously playing for the Rangers.
34:36
Speaker 2: But it's like, oh, Jace Young is up, you know,
34:39
Speaker 2: like you know what's up.
34:40
Speaker 1: And I actually like struggle to kind of describe the
34:44
Speaker 1: Jase situation with the Tigers where it's like like everyone
34:49
Speaker 1: believes the bat is there, it just hasn't like manifested itself.
34:56
Speaker 1: And then as of now, there's just does it really
34:59
Speaker 1: seem like like something would have to happen for there
35:02
Speaker 1: to be a run of opportunity for Jase and that
35:05
Speaker 1: is unfortunate, you know, like it cause like like I
35:09
Speaker 1: think if he did get like if if this was
35:12
Speaker 1: four years ago, Jase yet, we would know a lot
35:14
Speaker 1: more about jayse Young. But the stakes are a little
35:17
Speaker 1: bit higher right now, and that's just kind of the
35:20
Speaker 1: reality of this situation like that.
35:21
Speaker 4: But they're they're not high enough to keep Zach Short
35:25
Speaker 4: from getting back on the ross.
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Speaker 2: It had to be a middle infield thing, did it not?
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Speaker 3: I did well.
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Speaker 4: I don't know they could have put it engage workmen.
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Speaker 4: I don't know why they hate gauge workmen either. And
35:35
Speaker 4: again I don't know. I love Zach Short like as
35:37
Speaker 4: a dude, but it's I am scratching my head a
35:40
Speaker 4: little bit right now at it. Zach Short played for
35:43
Speaker 4: the Tigers three years ago when there was opportunity for
35:46
Speaker 4: for guys like that, and uh, you know, you would
35:50
Speaker 4: think if there was ever a time for Jase. This
35:52
Speaker 4: this might be it, but you're right. This does at
35:54
Speaker 4: least get them another short stop on the roster, which
35:57
Speaker 4: is which is probably optimal, allows him to rest Gonegal
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Speaker 4: maybe with glaber on available for at least one day.
36:03
Speaker 4: They wanted the righty to replace Glaber. So there are
36:07
Speaker 4: a few ways you can rationalize it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of moves, a lot of late night conversations.
36:13
Speaker 1: As we're recording this right now, I'm sure Scott and
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Speaker 1: aj are going over, you know, myriad things about.
36:19
Speaker 4: Like they might be asleep. Man, they're tired. They've been busy.
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Speaker 1: Well, speaking speaking of Scott, sort of like a random
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Speaker 1: addition to the Tigers' front office was Kyle Hendricks being
36:35
Speaker 1: added as a what we got a special assistant pitching advisor.
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Speaker 1: Is that what we're is that pitching development advisor. I'm
36:44
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what I mean.
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Speaker 4: He's a special assistant to Scott Harris and his focus
36:49
Speaker 4: will be on pitching developments.
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Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 1: So connection to the podcast, Austin Jackson started about five
36:57
Speaker 1: or six games, I believe in twenty fifteen. When and
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Speaker 1: when Hendricks on the mound and Scott Harris, I guess
37:03
Speaker 1: they maintained. I mean, how did this come about, Cody,
37:06
Speaker 1: Like it was like they maintained a relationship over the years,
37:09
Speaker 1: Like Kyle.
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Speaker 2: I mean it was like, yeah, just yesterday was pitching well.
37:16
Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: You could argue he could probably still give the Tigers
37:18
Speaker 4: a few innings, right if they need a starter for
37:21
Speaker 4: like a random Sunday game. But turns out a bullpen
37:24
Speaker 4: game might be a better way to go about it.
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Speaker 3: Uh No.
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Speaker 4: I think Kyle Hendricks has a good relationship with Scott Harris. Obviously,
37:31
Speaker 4: you know, when Scott was with the the Cubs organization,
37:34
Speaker 4: Scott was kind of the primary deal guy who worked
37:38
Speaker 4: on Hendrick's contract extension in Chicago. I believe, so they
37:42
Speaker 4: maintained a relationship. Hendricks was always one of those guys
37:45
Speaker 4: viewed as really smart, really cerebral, would have a future
37:49
Speaker 4: as a coach or an eg Zach or like Zach Short,
37:52
Speaker 4: whatever he wanted to do. It's pretty funny that the
37:57
Speaker 4: city of Chicago has like lost its mind over this
37:59
Speaker 4: because they wanted him to come back to the Cubs
38:01
Speaker 4: front office. And I don't know if the personal connections
38:05
Speaker 4: with with Scott and Jeff Greenberg won out or if
38:08
Speaker 4: the role was a little more, you know what he
38:10
Speaker 4: was looking for to be a special assistant in theory.
38:14
Speaker 4: Still gets some time with his family as he kind
38:16
Speaker 4: of figures out exactly what he wants to do next.
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Speaker 4: It sounds like they talked about this in Chicago at
38:22
Speaker 4: a twenty sixteen Cubs reunion and it just happened. Kyle
38:27
Speaker 4: Hendricks has a great reputation in the game, you know,
38:31
Speaker 4: and anytime you get a chance to bring him into
38:33
Speaker 4: your org work with your pictures a little bit, that
38:35
Speaker 4: can't hurt. I don't know what his future will hold.
38:38
Speaker 4: He may not be with the Tigers for long. So
38:40
Speaker 4: this is a smart guy who can probably do anything
38:43
Speaker 4: he wants.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys trying to get back in the game, Austin
38:48
Speaker 1: can relate to that.
38:50
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is.
38:54
Speaker 3: All right.
38:55
Speaker 1: Want of the wrap up on just a random, random thing.
38:58
Speaker 1: I didn't Austin, I didn't.
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Speaker 2: Rep you for this. I'm so sorry, but I'm ready.
39:03
Speaker 2: I stay ready.
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Speaker 1: I saw this on on X and and I was like,
39:11
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta ask a Jackson, what would you
39:16
Speaker 1: rather have done in a single game in your major
39:19
Speaker 1: league career? Would you rather hip the cycle or have
39:23
Speaker 1: a four home run game. What would Austin Jackson prefer
39:27
Speaker 1: as a as a single game achievement?
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Speaker 3: Four home runs. I'm going with the four home runs.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just saying because like that, this is
39:40
Speaker 5: just I'm just I'm just just just stay with me
39:43
Speaker 5: real quick, Like I could, I could mess around and
39:45
Speaker 5: pop a home run, and I could use my legs
39:49
Speaker 5: to get these other hits. You know, I might can
39:51
Speaker 5: turn a single into a double. But four home runs
39:55
Speaker 5: is that's an achievement man, because you you were, You're
39:58
Speaker 5: on it, You're on all the pitches, and you're driving it.
40:02
Speaker 5: So I'm going with the four home runs. Man, that's
40:04
Speaker 5: something that people just don't don't do a lot of.
40:07
Speaker 5: And that's hard to do too, you know what i mean,
40:10
Speaker 5: because after you hit a home run, typically you like
40:12
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to get just get on base, like
40:14
Speaker 5: I'm trying not to do too much. I'm trying to
40:16
Speaker 5: just add a couple of little something to that. But
40:19
Speaker 5: you hit you hit four of them, man, that you're
40:21
Speaker 5: you're locked in on another level, like you're literally on
40:24
Speaker 5: another planet at least for that night for sure.
40:27
Speaker 3: So yes, I'm going with the four home runs.
40:29
Speaker 4: Cody, would you not want Would you not want four
40:34
Speaker 4: homers added to your career total?
40:36
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, what you can just brag a
40:39
Speaker 3: little bit more, right, Yeah, that's doubles and that's cool.
40:43
Speaker 5: But four home runs, brother, they talk about you different
40:46
Speaker 5: when you get four home runs in the game.
40:48
Speaker 4: Another simple way, Yeah, simple way to answer that question.
40:52
Speaker 4: That's my if my quick Google search is accurate, three
40:56
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty cycles in Major league history one instances
41:01
Speaker 4: of hitting four homers in a game. Hitting four homers
41:03
Speaker 4: in the game is rare than a no hitter, a
41:05
Speaker 4: perfect game. A cycle pretty much is one of the
41:08
Speaker 4: hardest feats to accomplish.
41:09
Speaker 5: It doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen. You might not
41:13
Speaker 5: even get four at bats, you know. That's the thing,
41:16
Speaker 5: Like you about do that.
41:18
Speaker 4: When you see Joe Adell robbing three homers in one game.
41:22
Speaker 3: Shit, that was crazy.
41:24
Speaker 5: That's that's the next level for just to get the
41:28
Speaker 5: opportunity to do that that many times, you know, like
41:31
Speaker 5: you might not you might get one a year to
41:34
Speaker 5: do that. Like I didn't get very many opportunities to
41:37
Speaker 5: rob a home run because it's just everything has to
41:40
Speaker 5: go right and to be able to do that three times,
41:43
Speaker 5: get the opportunity to do that three times in a
41:45
Speaker 5: game and catch them. Hey, that's special, man, that's that's
41:49
Speaker 5: right up there, you know, at least on the defensive side.
41:52
Speaker 3: With four home runs, for sure.
41:56
Speaker 2: You guys are probably right.
41:58
Speaker 1: But I will say this one of the more underrated
42:01
Speaker 1: like baseball viewing circumstances is when a guy is a
42:06
Speaker 1: triple or a double away from the cycle and he
42:09
Speaker 1: comes up to bat and it's like, oh, especially if
42:11
Speaker 1: it's a triple, it's like, oh, is he gonna be
42:13
Speaker 1: able to lace one down the right field line or
42:16
Speaker 1: you know in America, you know, you know, right in
42:18
Speaker 1: the right center gap or whatever like that kind of
42:20
Speaker 1: like anticipation is great viewing, but the numbers don't lie.
42:25
Speaker 2: Four home runs is a.
42:27
Speaker 1: Mord a cycle since like, you know, what.
42:32
Speaker 3: About what about a single? Right? You need a single?
42:34
Speaker 3: And you drive one in the gap? Are you stopping?
42:38
Speaker 2: Are you stopping?
42:40
Speaker 5: I'm stopping, I'm stopping.
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Speaker 3: I'm about to get in the cycle. What you tell
42:46
Speaker 3: me I'm stopping?
42:47
Speaker 4: Iping?
42:53
Speaker 3: Man?
42:53
Speaker 4: I might I might take the double over some some
42:56
Speaker 4: meaning like the cycle. It sounds cool, but maybe I
42:59
Speaker 4: want another double bumped at ops a little bit.
43:02
Speaker 1: I don't know, make it handy and just be like
43:04
Speaker 1: I'm good at one.
43:07
Speaker 3: Trip.
43:09
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do something silly coming around first, eat it,
43:13
Speaker 5: I'm gonna eat it.
43:14
Speaker 3: Get back up on first, I'm.
43:15
Speaker 5: Gonna get you know, back gloves out, and everybody's gonna
43:18
Speaker 5: know exactly what I did.
43:20
Speaker 4: But you know, all right, all right, I know we're
43:23
Speaker 4: going long here, but it's almost midnight Eastern time. Things
43:26
Speaker 4: are getting weird. So I got a question for you, Austin.
43:28
Speaker 4: I got a real top question for you. Being injured.
43:31
Speaker 4: No one, No one wants to get injured. Right, I
43:34
Speaker 4: assume parts of being injured suck, But you think there
43:37
Speaker 4: ever times a guy gets injured and it's kind of like,
43:41
Speaker 4: all right, you know, I get a little break from
43:44
Speaker 4: the grind from the pressure.
43:50
Speaker 5: Hey, I mean listen, you kind of just like I
43:55
Speaker 5: mean kind of you know, like listen, no, yes, yes,
43:59
Speaker 5: you know, yes, because I'm not gonna keep coming out
44:01
Speaker 5: here trying to especially if you if you had something
44:04
Speaker 5: that's kind of been nagging, Right, if you have something
44:07
Speaker 5: been nagging, then you kind of you know, overextended and
44:10
Speaker 5: push it a little bit too far and say you
44:12
Speaker 5: you know, you.
44:13
Speaker 3: Strain it a little bit more or just whatever the
44:15
Speaker 3: injury may be.
44:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, it's like, let me let me get my
44:19
Speaker 5: mentals right, let me get my body right, like, because
44:22
Speaker 5: it's hard to keep going out and competing at the
44:25
Speaker 5: highest level when you're injured. You know, you're not really
44:29
Speaker 5: doing yourself any good, you're not doing your team any good,
44:32
Speaker 5: and you're not you're not adding any value when you're hurt.
44:36
Speaker 5: And that's that old school mentality that you know, I
44:39
Speaker 5: kind of grew up on. It's like, you play, they
44:41
Speaker 5: gotta they gotta drag you off the field, And honestly,
44:44
Speaker 5: I just don't know if that's the best thing in
44:46
Speaker 5: you know, today's game, with all the information they have.
44:50
Speaker 5: I just think that when you're hurt, yes, there is
44:54
Speaker 5: something that's like yes, man, like let me get my
44:56
Speaker 5: mind right, let me go get my body right, because
44:58
Speaker 5: I'm tired of coming out trying to perform and have
45:01
Speaker 5: these expectations of myself and that the team have for
45:04
Speaker 5: me when I'm hurt. When I'm hurt, it is it's
45:07
Speaker 5: the hardest thing to go out there and try to focus.
45:10
Speaker 5: I mean, you you do your job, you go out
45:12
Speaker 5: there and you know, you're professional with it. But when
45:14
Speaker 5: you're hurt, man, that's lingering in the back of your
45:17
Speaker 5: mind the whole time, and you and you just know, like,
45:19
Speaker 5: I can't give it my all because you know, I'm
45:23
Speaker 5: I'm beat up, man, I'm hanging a little bit.
45:25
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's interesting. You know, I don't think anyone
45:29
Speaker 4: wants to be hurt. If there's someone who wants to
45:31
Speaker 4: go not play, like, I probably don't want that dude
45:34
Speaker 4: on my team. But again, sometimes I think about it like,
45:38
Speaker 4: man like, it's a lot of pressure being in the
45:40
Speaker 4: big leagues. And if you could tell some if you
45:43
Speaker 4: tell me right now, Hey, Cody, we're fifteen days off work.
45:46
Speaker 4: You're gonna go. It's May in Detroit. The weather sucks.
45:49
Speaker 4: We're gonna send you to Lakeland. You can go chill
45:51
Speaker 4: by the pool for fifteen days. Doesn't always sound like
45:55
Speaker 4: the worst thing, you.
45:55
Speaker 5: Know, And you guys still get it right though. Now
45:58
Speaker 5: you can't come back.
46:00
Speaker 3: You better. You got to come back on it, you know,
46:02
Speaker 3: So use that time.
46:04
Speaker 5: You got to use that time the right way to
46:07
Speaker 5: get your body back right and also get get the
46:09
Speaker 5: mind back where it needs to be and come back rejuvenated.
46:13
Speaker 5: Man Like I felt that every time that I've gotten
46:16
Speaker 5: injured and went on the injury reserved list, like I
46:20
Speaker 5: just I use that time to really heal my body,
46:24
Speaker 5: get the mind right, and I feel like I've just
46:26
Speaker 5: came back a lot stronger when I was when I
46:29
Speaker 5: was able to get that time and let that injury heal.
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Speaker 1: That's interesting, especially if you feel like you're gonna be
46:37
Speaker 1: okay on the other side, it's probably not the worst thing.
46:39
Speaker 1: Just kind of take a take a breath. Maybe that's
46:41
Speaker 1: the best way to put it. Take a breath.
46:44
Speaker 2: You know, a long season, it'll be okay.
46:47
Speaker 3: Man.
46:48
Speaker 2: That was fun.
46:48
Speaker 1: Tell your territory out the dark. You know some good
46:51
Speaker 1: some good stuff's gonna come out of here. Uh well,
46:53
Speaker 1: thank everybody for listening. Thank everybody for subscribing on YouTube, Apple, Spotify,
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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your podcast. We appreciate all of you,
47:00
Speaker 1: so thank you very much. Once again, so for coach
47:03
Speaker 1: David Hagen, Austin Jackson, I'm Keeran Steckley.
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Speaker 2: Everybody, have a great day.