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Sharri | 25 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Sharing good evening.
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Speaker 2: Will we start tonight with the breaking news that Labor
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Speaker 2: Senator Fatima Payman, who defied Labor by crossing the floor
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Speaker 2: to support the Greens on Gaza, will not be expelled
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Speaker 2: from the party. An Albanesi spokesperson has told us that
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Speaker 2: the senator says she maintains strong labor values and intends
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Speaker 2: to continue representing the Western Australians who elected her as
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Speaker 2: a Labor senator. There is no manated sanction in these circumstances,
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Speaker 2: and previous caucus members have crossed the floor without facing expulsion.
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Speaker 2: As reflected in our amendment, the government supports the recognition
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Speaker 2: of a Palestinian state as part of a peace process
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Speaker 2: towards a two state solution. Now I'm going to come
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Speaker 2: back to just how weak Albanesi is in a minute,
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Speaker 2: but first to recap just this evening. Fatima payment has
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Speaker 2: backed the Green's motion to recognize a state of palestein
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Speaker 2: a move that only rewards her MUSS for its terrorism
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Speaker 2: of October seven.
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Speaker 1: And here she was speaking after the vote. I was not.
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Speaker 3: Elected as a token representative of diversity. I was elected
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Speaker 3: to serve the people of Western Australia and uphold the
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Speaker 3: values instilled in me by my late father.
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Speaker 1: Today I have made a decision.
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Speaker 3: That would make him proud and make everyone proud who
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Speaker 3: are on the side of humanity. That is a prerogative
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Speaker 3: for my party. I believe that I have upheld the
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Speaker 3: party ethos and called for what the party's platform has stipulated.
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Speaker 2: Now, other Labor politicians have been expelled in the past
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Speaker 2: for crossing the floor, clearly an exception for Fatima Payment,
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Speaker 2: and she showed utter contempt for the Prime Minister, taking
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Speaker 2: aim at Albansi in her remarks. Now only thirteen Senators
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Speaker 2: voted for this Greens bill payment, the Greens David Pocock
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Speaker 2: and Lydia Thorpe, and the debate was ugly, with Lydia
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Speaker 2: Thorpe yelling about Australia's complicity with so called genocide.
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Speaker 4: Order order.
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Speaker 5: As Senator thought, I asked you to come to order order.
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Speaker 6: Order.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 2: Fatima Payment is now becoming well known for her anti
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Speaker 2: Israel campaign.
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Speaker 1: At odds with official Labor Party policy.
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Speaker 2: So despite Albanezy saying that the chance from the River
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Speaker 2: to the Sea and into Fada had no place in Australia,
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Speaker 2: Fatima refused to acknowledge that they were anti Semitic or inappropriate.
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Speaker 1: This is a genocide.
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Speaker 4: I see our performatively gesture defending the oppressor's right to
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Speaker 4: oppress from the revetivis Palestine will be free.
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Speaker 2: She's also praised activists who've set up encampments at universities,
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Speaker 2: despite the fact they've resulted in Jewish students being harassed
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Speaker 2: and intimidated. Many Jews feel unwelcome, with activists posting videos
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Speaker 2: proudly online about chasing Zionists of campus, and just last week,
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Speaker 2: Fatima Payman wrote an opinion piece in Al Jazeera where
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Speaker 2: she called for Palestinian state without once mentioning her mus
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Speaker 2: the October seven atrocities or the one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 2: hostages who are still cruelly held captive in Gaza. Now,
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Speaker 2: as we mentioned, Labor Party policy has in the past
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Speaker 2: meant that those who've crossed.
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Speaker 1: The floor are expelled.
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Speaker 2: But we know Albani he is a weak leader, and
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Speaker 2: he's chosen not to exercise his authority over Fatima payment.
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Speaker 2: He still hasn't over Andrew Giles, despite scandals that should
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Speaker 2: have seen him sacked multiple times over. The danger for
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Speaker 2: Albanezi is that now that he's allowed Payment to cross
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Speaker 2: the floor without consequence. He's effectively giving the green light
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Speaker 2: to other politicians to do so in many other policy areas,
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Speaker 2: from nuclear energy to a judicial inquiry into anti Semitism.
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Speaker 1: Now, like I've said many times, we all want peace.
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Speaker 1: No one wants this war.
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Speaker 2: This war was forced on Israel when Hermas stole two
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty innocent people, including babies, young children, and
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Speaker 2: teenage girls. Hamas is the governing body in Gaza, and
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Speaker 2: it started this war when it brutally murdered more then
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Speaker 2: one two hundred innocent civilians. Hamas could end this war
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Speaker 2: immediately if it returned all of the hostages and surrendered.
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Speaker 1: But the way to end this war isn't.
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Speaker 2: To reward the terrorists by giving them their own state.
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Speaker 2: The suggestion is pure lunacy, and while ultimately there absolutely
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Speaker 2: should be a two state solution, there can be no
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Speaker 2: Palestinian state until a responsible governing body leads the Palestinian
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Speaker 2: people to recognize a Palestinian state. Now, as the green suggests,
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Speaker 2: as Fatima Payment wants to do, it turns the terrorists
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Speaker 2: into freedom fighters. It turns October seven into Palestinian independent state,
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Speaker 2: and it only sets back the prospect of peace by
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Speaker 2: emboldening and strengthening the arm of the barbaric terrorists. Well,
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Speaker 2: now let's turn to Juliana Sanch who is today being
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Speaker 2: celebrated by the Unions, the Greens, and the Teals as
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Speaker 2: a hero journalist, when in reality he's an irresponsible traitor
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Speaker 2: who risked the lives of American sources working in high
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Speaker 2: risk war zones and oppressive regimes. There's no question Assange
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Speaker 2: broke the law, but today he was released from prison
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Speaker 2: in a plea deal done with the US. Assange has
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Speaker 2: left the UK and flown to the Northern Mariana Islands
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Speaker 2: where he'll sign the deal that'll see him walk free.
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Speaker 2: He had been charged with conspiracy to obtain and disclose
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Speaker 2: national defense information after publishing trovees of classified national security
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Speaker 2: documents that related to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. That
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Speaker 2: was back in twenty ten. There was no attempt by
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Speaker 2: Assange to sip through the documents to protect the identities
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Speaker 2: of sources, servicemen and women who are already risking their
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Speaker 2: lives for the sake of our collective national security. And
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Speaker 2: it's this that separates Assange from the occupation I love journalism.
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Speaker 1: Journalism is a commitment to.
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Speaker 2: The truth, but it requires careful and responsible investigation.
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Speaker 1: It's not a careless document dump.
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Speaker 2: Journalists are also not captured by government propaganda, and they
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Speaker 2: don't confuse bloodthirsty terrorists.
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Speaker 1: With freedom fighters.
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Speaker 2: Assange is nobody's hero, as long term editor Alan Howe notes,
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Speaker 2: recklessly dumping classified correspondence on a website is regarded by
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Speaker 2: journalism as journalism by nobody. Assange describes himself as a journalist, editor,
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Speaker 2: and publisher. He is neither a journalist nor an editor.
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Speaker 1: Trained as either.
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Speaker 2: He would have handled his infamous leaks more responsibly, but
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Speaker 2: he is certainly a publisher in the manner that so
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Speaker 2: is anyone who posts a photograph of their kids on
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Speaker 2: social media. Yet Assange won the Gold Walkley, journalism's highest honor,
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Speaker 2: for what for stolen classified documents. When he was on
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Speaker 2: the run from the US, he was accused of being
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Speaker 2: captured by the Kremlin.
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Speaker 1: He even became a propaganda tool for Putin.
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Speaker 2: Assange had a show on the Kremlin controlled Russian state
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Speaker 2: television where his first guest was a leader of the
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Speaker 2: jew hating terror group Hezbla. Assange described this terrorist as
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Speaker 2: a freedom fighter, and it was hardly a tough interview.
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Speaker 2: The Guardian reported at the time that the questions were
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Speaker 2: clearly agreed in advance, some were softball, others fawning, with
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Speaker 2: Nasrala's answers unchallenged, and The Guardian, the left leaning publication,
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Speaker 2: by the way, strongly criticized Assange over this. They wrote,
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Speaker 2: the mystery is why Assange should agree to become a
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Speaker 2: pawn in the Kremlin's global information war. It seems extraordinary
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Speaker 2: that Assange, described by RT that's Russian television as the
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Speaker 2: world's most famous whistleblower, should team up with an opaque
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Speaker 2: regime where investigative journalists are shot dead and human rights
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Speaker 2: activists kidnapped and executed, especially in Chechnya and other Southern
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Speaker 2: Muslim republics.
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Speaker 1: Strange and obscene, That's the Guardian.
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Speaker 2: Assange's values are compromised, confused, and his journalism, if you
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Speaker 2: can call it that, and I don't, is closer to
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Speaker 2: anti Western propaganda than genuinely investigative. Despite his history, there's
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Speaker 2: now a bipartisan view that he's done his time, and
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Speaker 2: he probably has, and thanks to the plea deal with
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Speaker 2: the US, he'll now walk free Unsurprisingly, the Greens.
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Speaker 1: And the radical Left was celebrating today.
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Speaker 8: There is no power on earth that can hold back
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Speaker 8: truth when its time has come, and I want to
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Speaker 8: pay enormous tribute to the courage of Julian Assange who
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Speaker 8: stood his ground.
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Speaker 9: Nissange has been a member of our union that the
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Speaker 9: Media Entertainment Arts Alliance since two thousand and seven. His
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Speaker 9: persistence and his commitment to the truth is what has
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Speaker 9: got him out of that detention, and I think it's
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Speaker 9: something that should be celebrated.
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, is Julian Assange only coming home? Can you
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Speaker 1: bear it? And Albin Easy himself took credit for the move.
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Speaker 10: I've been very clear as both the Labor leader in
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Speaker 10: opposition but also as Prime Minister that regardless of the
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Speaker 10: views that people have about mister Osane's activities, the case
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Speaker 10: has dragged.
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Speaker 11: On for too long.
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Speaker 10: There's nothing to be gained by his continued incarceration and
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Speaker 10: we want him brought home to Australia, and we have
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Speaker 10: engaged and advocated Australia's interests using all appropriate channels to
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Speaker 10: support a positive outcome, and I've done that since very
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Speaker 10: early on in my Prime ministership.
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Speaker 2: Coalition politician said it was good that this saga was
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Speaker 2: finally coming.
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Speaker 1: To an end.
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Speaker 12: We welcome that this saga has been brought to an
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Speaker 12: end after a very long period of time. We welcome
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Speaker 12: the guilty play which has allowed this deal to be reached.
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Speaker 11: Personally, and I think now is the time to move on.
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Speaker 11: But obviously I wouldn't be making him into any great saint. Ultimately,
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Speaker 11: he put lives at risk. No lives were lost, but
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Speaker 11: he did put lives at risk.
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Speaker 2: Now, some Republicans today welcomed the Assige plea deal, but
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Speaker 2: former US Vice President Mike Pence said that Assange endangered
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Speaker 2: the lives of our troops in a time of war
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Speaker 2: and should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of
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Speaker 2: the law. He said, the Biden administration's plea deal with
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Speaker 2: Assange is a miscarriage of justice and dishonors the service
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Speaker 2: and sacrifice of the men and women of our armed
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Speaker 2: forces and their families. There should be no plea deals
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Speaker 2: to avoid prison for anyone that endangers the security of
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Speaker 2: our military or the national security of the United States. Ever,
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Speaker 2: well as usual in the US, this wasn't simply a
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Speaker 2: matter of the law or justice, but a question of politics.
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Speaker 13: Now, if you're wondering why this has moved politically in
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Speaker 13: the United States, it has become something of a course
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Speaker 13: celebrity for libertarians, and they are shaping up to be
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Speaker 13: a powerful vote at this election because both sides are
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Speaker 13: losing supporters in favor of RFK.
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Speaker 2: Junior An RFK celebrated the news today, while libertarian journalist
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Speaker 2: Adam Crichton also said that Asian should be awarded for
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Speaker 2: services to the truth. It's a take I strongly disagree with,
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Speaker 2: although Adam will be expressing his view tonight on the show.
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Speaker 2: This recasting of Assange as a truth telling hero is
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Speaker 2: a fantasy when the reality is that Assange is a complicated, dark, twisted,
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Speaker 2: and disturbed individual. As Michael Weiss wrote in The Atlantic
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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, In the end, the man who reportedly
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Speaker 2: smeared feces on the walls of his lodgings, mistreated his kitten,
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Speaker 2: and variously blamed the ills of the world on feminists
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Speaker 2: and bespeckled Jewish writers was pulled from the Ecuadorian embassy,
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Speaker 2: looking every inch like a powdered sugar Saddam Hussein plucked
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Speaker 2: straight from his spider hole. Now while we all want
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Speaker 2: this saga to be over, Adam Crichton reports that Assange
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Speaker 2: may reveal further secrets once his plea deal is signed.
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Speaker 2: So it seems this perverted megalomoniac with a victim mentality
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Speaker 2: will be free to unleash further anti Western propaganda and
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Speaker 2: mayhem onto the world. And both Alan Howe and Adam
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Speaker 2: Crichton will join me tonight on the show. To Alan Howe,
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Speaker 2: Assigne is a winger. To Adam Crichton, he's a hero.
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Speaker 2: They will debate this that's coming up. Also tonight, Clovermore
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Speaker 2: moves to boycott Israel linked companies from the city of Sydney.
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Speaker 2: If this is the only thing that could have made
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Speaker 2: me dislike her more than I already did. But first,
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Speaker 2: now let's go to tonight's panel National ZMP Keith Pitt
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Speaker 2: and former Speaker of the House Bishop Welcome to you both. Look,
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Speaker 2: let's start with this news tonight of Labor Senator Fatima
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Speaker 2: Payment crossing the floor. Bronwin, what's your reaction to how
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Speaker 2: she has sided with the Greens and also Albanese's weakness
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Speaker 2: and not moving on.
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Speaker 14: Her, Well, it just highlights the weakness she has defied
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Speaker 14: the Prime Minister on what three occasions, now with the
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Speaker 14: Rivet of the Sea repetition and clearly in crossing the
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Speaker 14: floor toot with the Greens on this motion. Now, the
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Speaker 14: Labor Party people take a pledge, they take a pledge
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Speaker 14: that they will be bound by the collective decision of
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Speaker 14: the caucus. And that's why you have the perception that
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Speaker 14: it is around that if they cross the floor they'll
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Speaker 14: be expelled. If you look at the facts, people have
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Speaker 14: been suspended subsequently lose their pres election, not expelled. But
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Speaker 14: in this case, despite what Senator had to say today
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Speaker 14: about tokenism, she is a token senator and she's treated
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Speaker 14: like a token senator and the result of that is
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Speaker 14: to make the primary to look even weaker because it's
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Speaker 14: all about protecting the numbers in the seats where there
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Speaker 14: are large Muslim voters in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Well, she says she's not a token senator. She says
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Speaker 2: she's not confined. She'll stand up for what she believes in.
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Speaker 2: And Keith, that's fair enough. We have freedom of speech
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Speaker 2: in this country. But it has been a long time,
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Speaker 2: I think over twenty years since someone has crossed the
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Speaker 2: floor in the Labor party. They do have rules around this,
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Speaker 2: so could it now be a green light? Could it
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Speaker 2: now be a free for all for any Labor politician
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Speaker 2: to cross the floor.
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Speaker 15: A sharing The Labor Party don't have just rules, it
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Speaker 15: is iron bound. They do not allow their people to
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Speaker 15: make their own decisions. In fact, even when they have
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Speaker 15: a ballot, they have their union overlords standing next to
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Speaker 15: them to make sure that they vote goes in the
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Speaker 15: correct way. So this is incredibly brave by Fatima. I
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Speaker 15: absolutely disagree with her completely and wholeheartedly. But on my
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Speaker 15: side of politics, shari obedience is not a learned skill.
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Speaker 15: I mean, we welcome people having views. Of course, we
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Speaker 15: want to see unity. If you remember the ministry, it's
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Speaker 15: a requirement under the Westminster system that you will support
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Speaker 15: the decision, but you get your sigh around the big table,
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Speaker 15: particular if you're in cabinet. But I think this is
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Speaker 15: a real problem for Anthony Albanezi. If he has lost
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Speaker 15: control of what is union managed and union run members
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Speaker 15: of Parliament, then that says everything about this Prime minister's leadership,
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Speaker 15: and Bromin is exactly right. It demonstrates even further weakness
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Speaker 15: and let's see what happens in the next few days.
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Speaker 15: But I think Fatima will find herself on the outside
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Speaker 15: of the Labor Party very very quickly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, I mean the problem is that
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Speaker 2: many in the Labor Party probably agree with her. There
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Speaker 2: might be others who are in bold and to cross
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Speaker 2: the flora as well.
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Speaker 1: Bromb and Bishop.
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Speaker 2: Let's turn to the reaction to Juliana Sanche's release today,
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Speaker 2: or at least he's free from prison, expected to sign
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Speaker 2: the plea deal.
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Speaker 1: What do you think of what I've had to say
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Speaker 1: about a Sanche?
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Speaker 14: Well, I agree with very much with much of what
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Speaker 14: you had to say. He's no hero to me, and
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Speaker 14: I've never had much sympathy for him. However, when I
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Speaker 14: see the way that the United States judicial system has
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Speaker 14: been corrupted, when we look at the Trump trial and
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Speaker 14: the way that Biden was treated differently on questions of
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Speaker 14: secret papers, I would not want to see him surrendered
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Speaker 14: into the jurisdiction of the United States without that plea deal,
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Speaker 14: because I just think that what the United States has
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Speaker 14: done with the way it has gone after Trump, has
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Speaker 14: shown that you cannot trust their system and be fearful
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Speaker 14: of it. So my attitude is he is no hero.
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Speaker 14: But I wouldn't surrender him to that system. Next thing
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Speaker 14: we've got to, however, contemplate, is where and what is
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Speaker 14: he going to do now? Is he going to turn
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Speaker 14: up on the ABC is or a host or whatever?
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Speaker 14: Is he going to be paraded and lorded? Is a
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Speaker 14: great hero of the left? Probably all of the above.
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Speaker 14: So we have a problem that is going to have
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Speaker 14: to be dealt with, and that's why it was important
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Speaker 14: that you gave all the detail tonight that you did,
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Speaker 14: because a lot of it is skimmed over.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Keith Pitt, what do you think are you expecting
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Speaker 2: the Greens and others the ABC to celebrate Assange if
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Speaker 2: he does come to Australia.
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Speaker 15: I'm sure there'll be a great celebration by mister Assangeony's supporters,
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Speaker 15: But it's not a decision about his criminality. This is
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Speaker 15: simply about his Australian citizenship and what it stands for
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Speaker 15: for every Australian. I don't care whether it's mister Assange
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Speaker 15: or others. Fourteen years this matter should have been resolved
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Speaker 15: and I think that's the key point. But I've seen
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Speaker 15: your commentary and I know what you're sending. Your editorial
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Speaker 15: shower and you make some very very strong points and
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Speaker 15: to my mind, none of that has been determined, decided
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Speaker 15: or even seen as part of the outcome. But we
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Speaker 15: can't have Australian citizens who are locked up for indetermined
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Speaker 15: amounts of time, and the Australian government does have a
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Speaker 15: role to play to get those issues resolved. So yes,
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Speaker 15: I think there'll be a celebration by mister Sangres supporters,
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Speaker 15: but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's guilty or not guilty.
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Speaker 2: All right, well let's turn to Matt Keen. He's made
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Speaker 2: news this week. Of course, I'm Bronnan Bishop, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Keen to hear your view on this. Do you think
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Speaker 1: he was a traitor?
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Speaker 14: Yes, and good riddance to bad rubbish. I mean, this
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Speaker 14: is a man who was nobody who became a member
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Speaker 14: of parliament, became in powerful positions in a Liberal government.
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Speaker 14: He was there because he was put there by the
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Speaker 14: Liberal Party. He otherwise was a nobody. But as I've
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Speaker 14: said very often in his politics, Malcolm Turnbull was the
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Speaker 14: organ grinder, Matt King was the monkey, and so ALBINIZI
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Speaker 14: has appointed the monkey to the job.
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Speaker 2: Very close relationship Turnbull and Macan very close. Still see
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Speaker 2: whether Matt Kean tries to work for Turnbull in some capacity.
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Speaker 14: I think he probably will. I don't know this new
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Speaker 14: job pays all that much.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to see whether it is or isn't
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Speaker 2: a conflict of interest, but probably Labor wouldn't care about that, Keith.
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Speaker 2: Not even the Greens welcomed Matt Kean's appointment today despite
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Speaker 2: the fact that his renewable energy targets, his emissions targets
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Speaker 2: are basically as high as the Greens. I mean, he's
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Speaker 2: supported a seventy percent emissions reduction target.
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Speaker 15: Sharry, if it wasn't for the fact that it's unlawful
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Speaker 15: and on you, mister Kane was looking for a while
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Speaker 15: and all to pass the hat around to getting gone
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Speaker 15: a lot earlier that.
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Speaker 1: The other problem.
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Speaker 15: Here is all of the decisions that he's made previously
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Speaker 15: are now tainted on what basis were they made. It
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Speaker 15: was easily acting because at heart he's a true Labor believer,
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Speaker 15: and to have the Greens his appointment, well that says
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Speaker 15: a lot because it takes quite a lot of effort
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Speaker 15: for the Greens not to support an appointment like that,
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Speaker 15: and ultimately the people of New South Wales and Australia
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Speaker 15: are going to pay the price. He was one of
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Speaker 15: the ones who shut down expansion of the coal sector
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Speaker 15: in New South Wales, intermittent wind and solar zones which
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Speaker 15: are just devastating regional areas of New South Wales. And
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Speaker 15: you can't run this country on part time power, and
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Speaker 15: that is what mister Keane supports.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just very very quickly, Branwyn, do you think he
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Speaker 2: should be expelled from the Liberal Party?
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Speaker 1: He won't be. I know he won't be. Do you
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Speaker 1: think he should be if it.
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Speaker 14: Causes great drama and reflects away from the important message
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Speaker 14: that Peter Dutton is putting forward. I wouldn't be bothered, all.
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Speaker 2: Right Fromwan Bishop Keith Pitt, thank you both very much
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Speaker 2: for your time. Now coming up, in another outrageous attempt
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Speaker 2: by a Clover Moore to stamp out common sense and
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Speaker 2: endorse racism, the City of Sydney moves to.
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Speaker 1: Boycott Israeli products.
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Speaker 2: Shatow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson would join me to
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Speaker 2: discuss this and his reaction to Fatima.
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Speaker 1: Payment crossing the floor.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Well, let's bring in shadow Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: now James Patterson, James, good to see you. Look, let's
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Speaker 2: start with tonight's breaking news. The Albanzi government has said,
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Speaker 2: or the Prime Minister's office has said, that he's not
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Speaker 2: going to expel Fatima payment from the Labor Party, despite
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Speaker 2: her crossing the floor to support the Greens on their
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Speaker 2: motion to recognize a state of Palestine emotion that only
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Speaker 2: rewards her muss for the terrorism of October seven. But again,
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Speaker 2: this is Albanesi not exercising any authority over the party.
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Speaker 2: What's your reaction to firstly this Greens motion and also
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's.
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Speaker 1: Response to it.
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Speaker 12: We'll Scharie. It was a typically divisive stunt by the
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Speaker 12: Greens which shouldn't have been entertained by any person of
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Speaker 12: goodwill towards the Israel Palestine issue, and it's extraordinary that
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Speaker 12: a Labor backbencher decided to vote for it. Make no mistake,
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Speaker 12: this is another very big test of the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 12: leadership and one that looks like he's set to fail.
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Speaker 12: This is a direct challenge to his authority as Labor leader,
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Speaker 12: and if he fails that, if there are no consequences
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Speaker 12: for senator payment, they're not just in your eyes, and
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Speaker 12: my eyes will be a week will he be a
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Speaker 12: week prime Minister? But in the eyes of his own
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Speaker 12: caucus members, they'll understand the consequences for a Labor MP
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Speaker 12: or senator if they cross the floor. That's very clear.
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Speaker 12: No MP or senator has crossed the floor and a
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Speaker 12: Labor Prime minister for over thirty years, and the last
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Speaker 12: time they did so under Bob Hawk, there were serious
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Speaker 12: consequences for them. So if she can get away with this,
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Speaker 12: then every other Labor MP and senator will be thinking, well,
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Speaker 12: maybe I can get away with this in the future,
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Speaker 12: and his authority over the party will be completely shattered.
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Speaker 1: If it's not already.
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Speaker 2: Let's return to today's top story, Julian Assange walking free.
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Speaker 2: This is now he's now flown to a US Ireland
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Speaker 2: where he's going to enter a plea deal.
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Speaker 1: We then don't have.
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Speaker 2: Confirmation of his movements. We expect he might return to Australia.
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Speaker 1: Do you support this outcome?
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Speaker 6: Say?
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Speaker 12: I thought your editorial tonight was very compelling on this issue. Julian. No,
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Speaker 12: Sange is no hero, but it is a welcome thing
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Speaker 12: that this has finally come to an end. I noted
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Speaker 12: has come to an end because misters Sange has finally
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Speaker 12: agreed to plead guilty to the charges against him, which
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Speaker 12: are very serious national security charges. He could have entered
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Speaker 12: into a plea deal at any point during his long incarceration.
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Speaker 12: And while it's true, as many people say that this
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Speaker 12: has gone on for a long time, the reason why
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Speaker 12: it's gone on for a long time is that he
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Speaker 12: was evading lawful extradition requests by hiding in the ecuador
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Speaker 12: own embassy and then challenging them through every level of
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Speaker 12: the UK courts, which is entitled to do so. It
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Speaker 12: is welcome it's coming to an end. It is a
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Speaker 12: credit to the United States as a rule of law
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Speaker 12: democracy that they are showing such leniency towards someone accused
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Speaker 12: of such a serious crime. And frankly, it dispels the
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Speaker 12: myth of the United States critics that it is such
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Speaker 12: an evil raser. And when, frankly, had mister Sience done
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Speaker 12: this in Russia, a patron of his, the consequences for
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Speaker 12: him would have been much more severe than this.
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Speaker 1: Do you think he has actually done his time?
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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, he wasn't free, but he hasn't technically
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Speaker 2: been in prison.
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Speaker 12: Well, if it's good enough for the US Justice Department.
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Speaker 12: That's a matter for them. The crime has committed against
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Speaker 12: the United States government and their intelligence secrets, and so
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Speaker 12: really that's a matter for them. But no one in
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Speaker 12: Australia should make the mistake that he's some sort of
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Speaker 12: hero to be celebrated or as you say, a journalist.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, now Labour has waded out it's crackdown on vapes
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Speaker 2: to gain the support of the Greens.
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Speaker 1: This would see vapes.
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Speaker 2: Available at chemists pharmacies without a prescription. It would make
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Speaker 2: Australia the first country to ban their sale outside of pharmacies. James,
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Speaker 2: Pharmacists are reportedly outraged. What do you think of this
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Speaker 2: deal that Labour has struck over vapes with the Greens.
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Speaker 8: Area.
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Speaker 12: It's a grubby deal that's fallen at the first hurdle.
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Speaker 12: The government didn't even bother to consult with the people
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Speaker 12: that they expect to participate in it to sell it.
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Speaker 12: And if pharmacists refuse to sell vapes then effectively what
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Speaker 12: you're having is an extension of the prohibition model, which
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Speaker 12: we know has failed. What we need to do with
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Speaker 12: vaping is exactly what we've done with cigarettes. Treat it
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Speaker 12: as a retail product, strictly regulated sale, put it in
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Speaker 12: plane packaging, tax it and spend some of the revenue
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Speaker 12: that will gain from that excise as we have proposed
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Speaker 12: on a two hundred and fifty million dollar law enforcement
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Speaker 12: package with a new task force put stood up by
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Speaker 12: the ABF, the Border Force and the Australian Federal Police
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Speaker 12: to crack down on this illegal vaping market, but also
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Speaker 12: the illegal tobacco market, which has seen rampant gang violence
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Speaker 12: across our country, particularly in my home state of Victoria,
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Speaker 12: where forty tobacconists in the last year have been set
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Speaker 12: on fire or exploded. This is a government that's totally
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Speaker 12: failed when it comes to vaping, totally failed when it
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Speaker 12: comes to community safety, and we've got a much better
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Speaker 12: plan to fix.
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Speaker 2: It, all right, James Patterson. Always great to have you
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Speaker 2: on the show. Thank you very much. Now, in an
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Speaker 2: extraordinary foray into foreign politics, uncalled for foray into foreign politics,
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Speaker 2: the City of Sydney Council and its Mayor Clovermore is
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Speaker 2: now going to look at counseling contracts with companies linked
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Speaker 2: to Israel. The Herald reports that Lord Mayor Clovermore has
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Speaker 2: supported a Green's motion last night to audit divestments and
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Speaker 2: ensure the Council didn't invest in or profit from so
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Speaker 2: called human rights violations, which apparently includes the and I
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Speaker 2: quote illegal occupation of the settlements in Palestinian territories and
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Speaker 2: the supply of weapons. Meanwhile, anti Semitism is exploding in California.
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Speaker 2: Outside a synagogue yesterday there were shocking and terrifying scenes
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Speaker 2: of hatred towards Jews. I mean, this footage, if you
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Speaker 2: haven't seen it already, is truly despicable. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: now liberal MP Julian, Lisa Julian, thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for your time. Look, let's start with those scenes outside
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Speaker 2: synagogue in La just yesterday.
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Speaker 1: How upsetting were they?
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Speaker 2: And do you think the authorities, I mean, Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: issued a statement saying it was reprehensible.
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Speaker 1: The antisemitism isn't on.
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Speaker 2: But yet again we're just not seeing the strength of
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Speaker 2: law enforcement in LA.
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Speaker 1: It's the same situation here. You're absolutely right, Cherry.
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Speaker 7: Ever since the seventh of October, the disappointing sense of
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Speaker 7: abandonment that Jews have had right across the world, from
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Speaker 7: law enforcement agencies, from governments, from university vice chancellors from
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Speaker 7: bodies that are set up to deal with racism.
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Speaker 1: It's just been extraordinary. You know. All we want to see.
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Speaker 7: Is people to enforce the law so that Jewish people,
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Speaker 7: whether they're in America or in this country, can live
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Speaker 7: their lives free of harassment and intimidation. And yet to
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Speaker 7: people going to a synagogue to protest and cause those
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Speaker 7: ugly scenes that you were showing earlier is a very
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Speaker 7: distressing thing. As the sort of antisemitic demonstrations that we've
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Speaker 7: seen in Australia. It's reminiscent of those drive through, those
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Speaker 7: convoys of hate that occurred at the end of last year.
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Speaker 7: People drove through suburbs of high Jewish populations in order
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Speaker 7: to intimidate people. It's not long.
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Speaker 2: You know, everyone can have whatever view they want about
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Speaker 2: the war, but when you're attacking Jewish people outside of
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Speaker 2: synagogue that's got nothing to do with Israel, that's just Jews,
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Speaker 2: and it's just what makes it so terrifying, truly terrifying.
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Speaker 2: Now let's turn to clover More and her spot her
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Speaker 2: support basically for a boycott of Israel and Israeli products.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how can the lord mayor of the city
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Speaker 2: of Sydney take such an offensive position.
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Speaker 7: Well, Chari, this is someone who's been Lord mayor for
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Speaker 7: too long. We've got council elections coming up in a
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Speaker 7: few weeks in New South Wales. This is somebody who's
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Speaker 7: looking for relevance and this looks like a complete political
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Speaker 7: stunt to me. We expect our local councils to be
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Speaker 7: engaged in roads, rubbish and rates. We don't expect them
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Speaker 7: to make foreign policy.
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Speaker 1: It'd be as.
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Speaker 7: Silly as us talking about garbage collection here in Canberra.
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Speaker 7: And I think Clover Moore and the City of Sydney
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Speaker 7: Council have demonstrated while they should play no role in
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Speaker 7: foreign policy. What's particularly bad about this motion and this
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Speaker 7: whole boycott, devestment and sanctions movement, is that you never
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Speaker 7: hear people saying, oh, we should boycott North Korea, or
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Speaker 7: we should boycott Russia, or we should boycott to Syria
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Speaker 7: when it's committing human rights abuses. It is the singling
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Speaker 7: out of Israel. And when you single out Israel and
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Speaker 7: you apply a different set of standards to Israel, it
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Speaker 7: apply to any other country. That is one of the
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Speaker 7: modern manifestations of anti Semitism and I'm sick of seeing
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Speaker 7: local councils think that they can dictate the foreign policy
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Speaker 7: of this country.
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Speaker 1: They can't.
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Speaker 7: Clover Moore needs to stick to her knitting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, and I agree with you.
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Speaker 2: Time for her to go sixteen years if it's around that,
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Speaker 2: it's enough.
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Speaker 1: It's long enough now.
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Speaker 2: There've been reports this week, and we covered it here
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Speaker 2: on the show last night as well, that some members
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Speaker 2: of the University of Sydney encampment were allegedly members of
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Speaker 2: an extreme Islamist group his Bookteria. It's not categorized as
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Speaker 2: a terror group in Australia, but it is in the
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Speaker 2: UK and elsewhere. The University of Sydney's vice Chancellor, Mark
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Speaker 2: Scott made a deal with this fringe group. They're now
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Speaker 2: going to be privy to its defense and security related
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Speaker 2: research activities online. Julian, you're taking a very close interest
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Speaker 2: in the anti Semitism on university campuses. What do you
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Speaker 2: make of Mark Scott's capitulation to this extremist group and
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Speaker 2: the fact that he hasn't even returned the phone cause
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Speaker 2: of Jewish leaders over this matter.
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Speaker 7: I think the University of Sydney has treated with the
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Speaker 7: Jewish community with absolute contempt, and they've demonstrated that their leadership.
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Speaker 1: Is not fit to run a university.
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Speaker 7: In my view, the idea that you would basically capitulate
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Speaker 7: to an organization which is listed as a terrorist organization
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Speaker 7: in the United Kingdom, an organization which celebrated the seventh
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Speaker 7: of October terrorist attacks, an organization which was actually announced
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Speaker 7: the deal that was done with Sydney University. It wasn't
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Speaker 7: announced by the Vice Chancellor. It was announced by this organization.
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Speaker 7: And at a time when we're wanting our best and
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Speaker 7: brightest minds to work on AUCUST, and that includes our universities,
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Speaker 7: the idea that you would give an organization which is
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Speaker 7: effectively an extremist organization the right to run their ruler
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Speaker 7: over every defense contract that the University of Sydney has
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Speaker 7: is unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: And here we are.
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Speaker 7: I think it's the Sydney University basically ruling itself out
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Speaker 7: of having any participation in AUCUST by having struck this deal,
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Speaker 7: and it is an insult to Jewish Australians who have
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Speaker 7: been asking the Vice chancellor for months to deal with
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Speaker 7: the encampments on his university. We need to see university
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Speaker 7: leaders standing up to this bullying, and this just shows
34:06
Speaker 7: the hardier bully, the more you'll get out of Sydney University. Look.
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Speaker 2: I played the clip on the show last night of
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Speaker 2: that group at their own press conference and they chanted
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Speaker 2: Ali Wakhbar about twenty times. No mention of Australia, nothing
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Speaker 2: about the Australian anthem. I mean, Julian, you put this
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Speaker 2: all together, what we're seeing from Mark Scott, what we're
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Speaker 2: seeing from clover More, the lack of action from the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government, you know, the riots outside of synagogue in California.
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Speaker 2: I mean, do you have any message of hope, because
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Speaker 2: I tell you I'm feeling very depressed about all of
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Speaker 2: this at the moment.
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Speaker 7: Look, Sherry, there's lots of hope out there. What gives
34:43
Speaker 7: me hope is the number of people that contact me,
34:46
Speaker 7: that stopped me in the street, Academics and university administrators
34:49
Speaker 7: from around the country who have been telling me that
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Speaker 7: I'm on the right track with my Judicial Inquiry bill,
34:56
Speaker 7: that it's the right thing. You know, I think ordinary
34:59
Speaker 7: Australians look agast at this. There is this growing sense
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Speaker 7: of lawlessness in our country, of which the government's failure
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Speaker 7: to deal with anti Semitism is just one species of it.
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Speaker 7: Whether it's the knife attacks on clergymen in Western Sydney
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Speaker 7: or the knife attacks in Bondi, whether it's the lawlessness
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Speaker 7: in indigenous communities, whether it is people smugglers thumbing their
35:21
Speaker 7: nose at our borders, whether it is the return of
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Speaker 7: unions on building sites. The level of general lawlessness is increasing.
35:29
Speaker 7: And what we've got is a government that is dominated
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Speaker 7: by the left, that is basically capitulating and not taking
35:36
Speaker 7: strong stands on law and order issues. And that's to
35:40
Speaker 7: the detriment of all of us. We've got to have
35:42
Speaker 7: liberty in this country, but you can't have liberty.
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Speaker 2: Without order, all right, all right, Well, set indeed and
35:48
Speaker 2: keep fighting on your judicial inquiry.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining me, Julian Lisa.
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Speaker 2: Now coming up that debate I promised, Adam Crichton versus
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Speaker 2: Alan Howe on Julian assanch Stay tuned after this quick
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Speaker 2: break well to debate the two sides of the Julian
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Speaker 2: Assange spectrum. Let's bring in now the Australians Washington correspondent
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Speaker 2: Adam Crichton and long term editor at The Australian, Alan Howe.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Adam, you've got a very different
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Speaker 2: take on mine when it comes to Julian Assigne. In fact,
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Speaker 2: you think he should be awarded for his commitment to
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Speaker 2: telling the truth. He is your hero, Adam Crichton.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look, I should he should be I think.
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Speaker 5: I mean, he's made the world much much better informed.
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Speaker 5: He released all of those documents, He published all of
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Speaker 5: those documents which someone else gave him. I might add,
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Speaker 5: he didn't steal them. Chelsea mang gave him all of
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Speaker 5: those cables. And sure it caused a huge amount of
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Speaker 5: embarrassment to the US government. Was we learned that they
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Speaker 5: were lying about various things. They're engaging in various activities
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Speaker 5: that they shouldn't have been. So sure, you know, if
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Speaker 5: the charges is causing embarrassment to the world's most powerful government,
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Speaker 5: then that's real. But you know, I think the benefit
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Speaker 5: of what he's done is great. And also just to
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Speaker 5: point out, I mean, most mainstream newspapers in the US
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Speaker 5: have done the same things as the SIMS has done.
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Speaker 5: They've published classified information, whether you go back to you know,
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Speaker 5: to the Pentagon papers or the Watergate, et cetera. But
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Speaker 5: in those cases there wasn't the same level of pursuit
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Speaker 5: that we've seen in the case of assamche So. And
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Speaker 5: I think you know it's partly because he's a foreigner,
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Speaker 5: and you know he's maybe a nasty person, some people say,
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Speaker 5: but that's all completely irrelevant to you to the case
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Speaker 5: at hand.
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Speaker 2: Alan, How what do you think of the comments Adam
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Speaker 2: Crichton has just made.
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Speaker 6: Well, I hope if I've come up in court on
37:39
Speaker 6: serious charges that Adam is the judge, he's clearly a
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Speaker 6: very bad bloke. He's done some very bad things. He's
37:46
Speaker 6: compromised the entire Western Alliance of diplomatic cables and communications.
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Speaker 6: These are very important effact. We've seen how important they
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Speaker 6: are just this year with a couple of terror plots
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Speaker 6: being uncovered in Paris and lead up to the Olympic
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Speaker 6: seare Now, these are robust and sometimes they're purole, but
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Speaker 6: they transfer information between allied governments in a very important way.
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Speaker 6: It was Julian Sanger's ambition to slice that system off
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Speaker 6: of the knees, to destroy it. Daniel Elsberg who published
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Speaker 6: the Pentagon Papers. Now, the Pentagon Papers didn't endanger anyone's life.
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Speaker 6: It bruised the egos and Watergate similarly bruised egos. But
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Speaker 6: the release of the information by WikiLeaks, you know, I
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Speaker 6: mean Julian Sanders neither an editor nor a journalist, and
38:36
Speaker 6: were either and trained in either, he wouldn't have released
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Speaker 6: those willie nilly. But it was the US evidence before
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Speaker 6: the court and Woolwich when he broke in his bail,
38:46
Speaker 6: that the release of that information has led to two
38:49
Speaker 6: of their ages disappearing.
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Speaker 2: I did, well, Adam, isn't that right that this was
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Speaker 2: a careless document dump that risked lives, It risked sources
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Speaker 2: who literally put their life on the line to serve
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Speaker 2: our cause.
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Speaker 5: Well, look, certainly that argument is often made, but look
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Speaker 5: in the fourteen years this stuff's been out there, you know,
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Speaker 5: there's basically been no damage at all. So I think
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Speaker 5: I think the argument is I mean, sure it's a
39:16
Speaker 5: you know, it's a valid theoretical argument, but you know,
39:20
Speaker 5: the are those who attack Assans. They claim that, you know,
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Speaker 5: he's caused enormous danger for various people, But I just
39:27
Speaker 5: don't see that that's been born out in reality. And frankly,
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Speaker 5: even if it's true, then that's the price of you know,
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Speaker 5: knowing the truth.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's an unforceund it can't be the price
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Speaker 1: of knowing that. It gets down to it. You can
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Speaker 1: report it in a responsible way.
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Speaker 2: You can remove the names of identities, you don't have
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Speaker 2: to publish every single document that's in your possession.
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Speaker 1: You can tell the story carefully. Yes, look, yeah, look, I.
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Speaker 5: Mean certainly, you know, we can make an argument he
39:54
Speaker 5: should have redacted this or should have redacted that. But
39:56
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, it's happened, right, I mean,
39:58
Speaker 5: it's been published, it's out there, and so we can
39:59
Speaker 5: just analyze what's there. And I just don't think the
40:01
Speaker 5: damage has been done that was claimed. I mean, it's
40:04
Speaker 5: quite extraordinary.
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Speaker 6: Really.
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Speaker 5: There's hundreds of thousands of documents, hundreds of thousands of names,
40:08
Speaker 5: is my understanding, and you know, there's really not that
40:11
Speaker 5: much damage. I mean, I think it comes down to
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Speaker 5: a philosophical point of view, and then whether you think
40:14
Speaker 5: the state is the master and citizens of the servants
40:17
Speaker 5: or not. I mean, I just don't think the government
40:19
Speaker 5: should be able to keep all these secrets. You know,
40:21
Speaker 5: basically take our money, you know, through taxes, and then
40:25
Speaker 5: basically lie to to the taxpayers, and you know, do
40:28
Speaker 5: all these crazy things overseas, and you know, the argument
40:31
Speaker 5: basically just bails down to, well, the US are the
40:33
Speaker 5: good guys, so they should be able to.
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Speaker 2: That's Adam the argument you're basically but when we do it,
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Speaker 2: it's Adam. The argument you're basically running is that we
40:41
Speaker 2: should have no classified secrets that we had should not
40:44
Speaker 2: have no class Well, because we pay it should be.
40:47
Speaker 2: But let's bring Alan, Let's bring Alan how back in
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Speaker 2: on this. Alan, you've written extensively about assign's history. Can
40:56
Speaker 2: you tell us in a concise way some of his
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Speaker 2: some parts of his questionable background.
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Speaker 6: Well, he committed crimes in Melbourne in nineteen ninety five
41:08
Speaker 6: and the judge was very lenient to him, saying that
41:12
Speaker 6: pretty much saying, look, he was just seeking self aggrandizement.
41:15
Speaker 6: Wasn't criminal activity, even though it was a crime, and
41:19
Speaker 6: he could easily have gone to jail back then in
41:21
Speaker 6: the later nineties. His behavior, well, he broke the Bail
41:26
Speaker 6: Act in the UK. It's a very serious crime. And
41:29
Speaker 6: I think it's ironic that Bradley Manning became Chelsea Manning
41:34
Speaker 6: became became a female, but manned up and faced those
41:38
Speaker 6: charges twenty two charges. She pleaded guilty to ten, was
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Speaker 6: convicted of seventeen, and one of them was aiding the enemy.
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Speaker 6: Now you can't just say that. Let's dispose the idea
41:53
Speaker 6: that julianasane as a journalist. Of course he's not. No
41:55
Speaker 6: one considers just irresponsibly downloading hundreds of thousands of documents
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Speaker 6: onto website. That's not journalism, never has me. And people
42:05
Speaker 6: may have lost their lives, almost certainly did. We won't
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Speaker 6: know who they are because we didn't know who they
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Speaker 6: were then. And he hated enemies, he particularlyated any enemy
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Speaker 6: of the United States. A lot of people said, oh,
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Speaker 6: he hasn't committed a crime there, you know, why should
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Speaker 6: he be facing charges there will? In fact, he did
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Speaker 6: commit crimes against the US system. He did aid the
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Speaker 6: enemies of the US, and the enemies of the US
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Speaker 6: are our enemies.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed they are.
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Speaker 2: I wish we had more time for today. We've just
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Speaker 2: completely out of time. We'll get you back on both
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Speaker 2: of you perhaps in the future.
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Speaker 1: Adam Crichton, Alan Howe really appreciate it. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: Now, just before we go to a break, some wonderful news. Now,
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Speaker 2: our regular Sky News guest and colleague journalist at Jenna
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Speaker 2: Clark has welcomed a beautiful baby boy with her partner
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Speaker 2: Chris Dott. Louis was born on Thursday night in Perth,
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Speaker 2: weighing nearly three point four kilograms. Is very sweet as
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Speaker 2: you can see here, and both Ja and Chris are
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Speaker 2: thrilled to bits with the new addition to their family.
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Speaker 2: And I hope both of you enjoy every moment of
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Speaker 2: this special time in the baby bubble. And don't worry.
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Speaker 2: As far as I know, no one has ever died
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Speaker 2: from a lack of sleep. But seriously, there's nothing that
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Speaker 2: brings more happiness to the heart than a little newborn snuggle.
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Speaker 2: And don't we neat joy in our lives right now?
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Speaker 2: Congratulations to you both. Now after the break, allegations continue
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Speaker 2: to evolve. Channel nine Sophie Elsworth will join me next.
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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. Let's bring in the Australians and
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Speaker 2: media writers. Sophie Elsworth. Now, Sophie, great to see you. Look,
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Speaker 2: let's turn first to the comments from Fairfax former owner
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Speaker 2: John B. Fairfax, who was an owner of the Citney
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Speaker 2: Morning Herald, which is obviously now merged with Channel nine,
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Speaker 2: and he spoke out about the scandal that's been engulfing nine.
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Speaker 1: What did he have to say? That's right, Charry.
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Speaker 16: He spoke to my colleague James Madden resulting in this
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Speaker 16: fallout from Channel nine, and basically said that it cast
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Speaker 16: a shadow over media ethics, this whole disaster with nine,
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Speaker 16: these allegations of misconduct and inappropriate behavior by staff at
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Speaker 16: the network, and he said it's bad for the company
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Speaker 16: and bad for the company's governance. Now a lot of
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Speaker 16: people still associate Fairfax with nine, although that it is
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Speaker 16: no longer, people still get confused and think it is
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Speaker 16: part of nine. But these are pretty cutting words from
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Speaker 16: a mister Fairfax, given he.
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Speaker 1: Was involved with newspapers, with the newspaper.
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Speaker 16: Element of what is now nine for such a long time,
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Speaker 16: and Charry's you and I both know this saga that
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Speaker 16: is engulfed nine Entertainment is far from over. With that
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Speaker 16: independent review well underway.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, So let's talk about that now, the external review.
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Speaker 2: Many women are coming forward with their own stories allegations
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Speaker 2: of harassment, bullying, sexual harassment as well.
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Speaker 1: At nine. You've been reporting on this. What can you
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Speaker 1: tell us about how extensive this process is?
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Speaker 16: Well, Sharry, it appears from what I have gathered in
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Speaker 16: my colleague James Madden. This appears to be an extensive
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Speaker 16: problem of inappropriate behavior, all allegations. Of course at the network.
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Speaker 16: It's not just in the news division. There's people coming
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Speaker 16: forward to in other parts of the business, Sharry, and
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Speaker 16: a lot of women very very concerned even to go
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Speaker 16: to you know, present their story to the review.
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Speaker 1: They're worried about.
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Speaker 16: Their anonymity and people won't come forward. We have not
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Speaker 16: got nine staffers, former or you know, current staffers to
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Speaker 16: come on the record to speak of their time there,
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Speaker 16: apart from Kerry Anne Kenneley who spoke to my colleague
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Speaker 16: James Madden. People are fearing for their jobs over this, Sharry.
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Speaker 16: This is such a frightening situation for many people to
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Speaker 16: speak up.
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Speaker 2: I mean many women are speaking out, no question, but
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Speaker 2: just not on the record because they are worried about
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Speaker 2: their jobs. Sophie, we've been covering Julian Assange tonight.
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Speaker 1: Of course he will now be free. The left is celebrating.
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Speaker 2: Him as a journalist, but he only did a document dump.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is journalism?
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Speaker 16: Well, Sharry, I agree with your editorial on this tonight.
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Speaker 16: I would really doubt that you describe Julian Assange as
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Speaker 16: a journalist. I think that's a pretty loose description of
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Speaker 16: a journalist, although a lot of people do tend to
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Speaker 16: call themselves journalists today if they just turn a computer
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Speaker 16: on and write a few words. But look, I'm just
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Speaker 16: glad Shari, like many people, that this case appears to
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Speaker 16: be coming to an end, because it's a saga that
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Speaker 16: has gone on for far too long in my view.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he won the Gold Walkley Award, the highest
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Speaker 2: award in journalism. They gave it to Julian assigned several
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Speaker 2: years ago. I mean, what does they say about the
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Speaker 2: credibility of the Walkleys.
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Speaker 16: Well, Shari, it sort of shows that the Walkleys have
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Speaker 16: become a bit of a farce. Really, they're heavily skewed left.
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Speaker 16: They parade the ABC and many journalists there. They don't
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Speaker 16: really like conservative journalism, and I don't think the Walkles
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Speaker 16: is what it once used to be with some of
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Speaker 16: the things that's happened with the Walkleys over the years.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just this year there was a pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: activist as co host. I mean, the Book of the
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Speaker 2: Year was given to a book that was strongly anti Israel.
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Speaker 1: This is an objective journalism.
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Speaker 16: And also, Shari, don't forget they dumped their sponsors. They're
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Speaker 16: no longer working with Ampole of the sponsors they had
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Speaker 16: outrage over that. It's become more of a political outfit
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Speaker 16: in some ways, and I think it damages what has
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Speaker 16: been very highly regarded in journalism for a very long time.
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Speaker 1: All Right, indeed, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: I'll see everyone at home tomorrow at eight. Don't miss
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Speaker 2: the show. A former hostage will be on live. But
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Speaker 2: right now, here's Paul Murray.