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Super Bowl LX Pre: Who Wins Between Seattle Seahawks, New England Patriots? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Inside the Birds super Bowl
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Speaker 1: XL Preview. I'm Jeff Moscher, and we are down to
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Speaker 1: the last game of the entire twenty twenty five NFL season.
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Speaker 1: On Sunday, you will have the Seahawks and the Patriots
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Speaker 1: play in the Super Bowl, and then after that it'll
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Speaker 1: be nothing but free agency draft OTAs nice little break,
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks in the summer, then training camp,
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Speaker 1: and then you won't see another NFL game after Sunday
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Speaker 1: until the Hall of Fame game in August, and that
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Speaker 1: is quite a ways away, and a lot of things
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Speaker 1: have to happen in between. As I predicted on the
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Speaker 1: show weeks ago that the Seahawks first the Patriots would
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Speaker 1: not be one of those Super Bowls that has a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of catchy storylines. We've had the two weeks
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Speaker 1: of Sam Darnold revenge tour, some love for Drake may
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Speaker 1: It didn't even win MVP obviously, Jackson Smith and jig
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Speaker 1: but got Offensive Player of the Year. So the NFL
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Speaker 1: honors happened over the couple of days ago, and that's
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Speaker 1: about it. I feel like just listening to interviews on
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Speaker 1: Radio Row or media Row, both with our partners at
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Speaker 1: ninety seven three, ESPN and others the shows. The big
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Speaker 1: talk of the league is really just all the change.
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Speaker 1: You got ten new head coaches and with that, you've
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Speaker 1: got new offensive coordinators and new defensive coordinators. And you know,
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Speaker 1: the Eagles are going I'll get to them in a minute.
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Speaker 1: They're they're going through their own thing, completely changing their
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Speaker 1: identity on offense. You have the Giants now trying to
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Speaker 1: you know, trying to get back to respectability, hiring a
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Speaker 1: guy like John Harbaugh, that Cardinals hiring Michael flore You
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Speaker 1: got the Jesse minter era that's going to start in Baltimore,
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Speaker 1: and how that goes. Mike Tomlom retires and Mike McCarthy,
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Speaker 1: of all people, replaces him. It just feels like the
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Speaker 1: state of the NFL right now, with all the turnover,
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Speaker 1: has become the dominant storyline. And again the fact that
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Speaker 1: this Super Bowl was going to be played between two
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who have zero combined Super Bowls wins between them
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Speaker 1: or appearances. Obviously, Drake may is only in his second year.
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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold was looked at as a bust for the
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Speaker 1: first few years of his career, as he bounced around
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Speaker 1: from the Jets to Carolina, San Francisco and then finally
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Speaker 1: seeing a rebirth of his career last year in Minnesota
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Speaker 1: and then this year taking it up another level to Seattle.
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Speaker 1: But they're just not a hole. And you know, Mike
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Speaker 1: Rabel won super Bowls as a player, but not a coach.
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Speaker 1: This is just Mike McDonald's second year. There's just not
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Speaker 1: a lot of saucy, juicy angles, no repeats, no dynasties.
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Speaker 1: I think there's some legit question about whether or not
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Speaker 1: either of these two teams will be back in the
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Speaker 1: super Bowl next year. It's fair. It's hard to go
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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl back to back. I mean, both
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Speaker 1: these teams have they deserve to be in the super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: They have good young players. But you're only gonna keep
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Speaker 1: the Josh Allens, Lamar Jackson's, the Patrick mahomes Is. You
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Speaker 1: want to throw hurts in there, you can throw hurts
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Speaker 1: in there. You know, Joe Burrow healthy. You're only gonna
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Speaker 1: keep those guys out of the all of them, you know,
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Speaker 1: out of the super Bowl for so long. And obviously
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Speaker 1: there will be a lot of attention next year paid
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Speaker 1: on how these teams, whether they have new coaches, new coordinators,
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Speaker 1: get them back to where they need to be in
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Speaker 1: the super Bowl. And in that regard, you know, you
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Speaker 1: look at if you're an Eagles fan, you look at
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Speaker 1: a blown opportunity. If you're a Bills fan, you really
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Speaker 1: look at a blown opportunity to have gotten Josh Allen's
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Speaker 1: first Super Bowl. Obviously, Josh Allen and the way he
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Speaker 1: played in that last game with the turnovers, blew his
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Speaker 1: own opportunity. But I think it is fair to wonder
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Speaker 1: if these two teams, the Patriots and the Seahawks are
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Speaker 1: going to be back in the Super Bowl. I think
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Speaker 1: they'll be competitive, they'll be good. I think they have grown.
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Speaker 1: The Patriots, you can say, probably a little bit ahead
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Speaker 1: of schedule. I don't know that they won four games
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Speaker 1: the year before, so that is quite a jump. The
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Speaker 1: Seahawks were building toward this. They missed the playoffs last year.
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Speaker 1: I went through this in the last show, but they
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Speaker 1: were building. They were a respectable team. Mike McDonald was
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Speaker 1: considered a great defensive mind. He showed that as the
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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator, and you just knew he needed
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Speaker 1: a couple of years to install his system, get the
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Speaker 1: kind of players he needed, get the buy in. In
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Speaker 1: his year one, he tried to build an offense with
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Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator from college. It didn't work. Year two,
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Speaker 1: very smart hired a Kubiak, Clint Kubiak, who I felt
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Speaker 1: who won Assistant Coach of the Year. Was it Josh McDaniels.
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Speaker 1: He deserves it too, But I thought Clint Kubiak was
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Speaker 1: for sure a really good candidate for that job, for
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Speaker 1: that award. He's done an amazing job. He's gonna go
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Speaker 1: be the Raiders head coach and we'll see if he can,
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Speaker 1: you know, transform that franchise and work with Mendoza, who
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Speaker 1: will be the number one pick, and get Ashton gent going,
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Speaker 1: and we'll see what Clint Kubiak can do with that
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Speaker 1: offense in Las Vegas and see what kind of defensive
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Speaker 1: mind he brings in. But the Seahawks were building towards this.
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Speaker 1: It may have been a little faster. It obviously may
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Speaker 1: have been dighted by Sam Donald coming in and just
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Speaker 1: fitting to a t the offense that Kubiak was gonna run,
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Speaker 1: which was very similar to the offense that Kevin O'Connell runs, conceptually,
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Speaker 1: not totally the same, but conceptually a lot of what
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Speaker 1: they do is similar from similar trees, you know, both
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Speaker 1: that Shannahan McVay style of offense that we keep talking
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Speaker 1: about here in Philadelphia with the Eagles. So I don't
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Speaker 1: know that they thought with Sam Donald under center leading
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Speaker 1: the huddle and really with just one major world class
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Speaker 1: weapon in Smith and Jigba, that the Seahawks would be
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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and win fourteen games and be
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Speaker 1: as dominant as they were at times. But they were,
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Speaker 1: and they're very good, and they deserve to be there.
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Speaker 1: They are the favorite by three and a half. I
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Speaker 1: thought if I were handicapping it, I would have made
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Speaker 1: them five point favorites. I think the Seattle's really good.
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Speaker 1: I think that No, I'm sorry, maybe it's up to
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Speaker 1: four and a half now. I think the line started
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Speaker 1: at three and a half. Up to four and a half,
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Speaker 1: I would have done five. I know Vegas likes to
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Speaker 1: go with the half point to make somebody decide on
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Speaker 1: one side of the fence or the other, so it's fine,
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Speaker 1: But I do see the Seahawks as in my mind
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Speaker 1: five point favorites, and I'm not expecting a blowout at all.
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Speaker 1: I think this will be a good game. But if
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Speaker 1: you told me it's gonna get away from one team
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Speaker 1: a little bit and it's gonna wind up being a
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Speaker 1: ten to thirteen point win, or maybe is a blowout,
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Speaker 1: it would be Seattle. I cannot see the Patriots blowing
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Speaker 1: out the Seahawks at all. I can see the Seahawks
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Speaker 1: with their defense, with how frustrating it can be for offenses,
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Speaker 1: especially ones that don't play against them all the time.
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Speaker 1: The Rams know how to move the ball against the
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Speaker 1: Seahawks because they play each other all the time. It's
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Speaker 1: like the Cowboys and the Eagles. Eagles have had a
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Speaker 1: really good defense the last two years. Cowboys have moved
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Speaker 1: the ball against them because they know what to do.
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Speaker 1: They see him all the time, and then you know
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Speaker 1: it just it happens that way. But when you see
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Speaker 1: a team that does a good team like the Packers
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Speaker 1: right of the Lions, how to play the Eagles like
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Speaker 1: a barely score any points. And I think that that
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Speaker 1: is the frustrating element that the see. The Patriots will
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Speaker 1: face in going up against the Seahawks team that they're
8:22
Speaker 1: not familiar with the Seahawks. Their strength is in numbers.
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Speaker 1: The Seahawks don't have a Micah Parsons type player. They
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Speaker 1: don't have a Miles Garrett type player. They're very good
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Speaker 1: in the back end. I'm gon worry the rookie safety
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Speaker 1: who suffered a little bit of an ankle sprain. So
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Speaker 1: that's something I watch for. Really good player Witherspoon, really
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Speaker 1: good corner. But they don't have a corner or a
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Speaker 1: safety that you would equate to a Quinnon Mitchell or
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Speaker 1: a Patrick's certain or you know, a safety like an
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Speaker 1: Ed Reed for you know, the Ravens back in the day.
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Speaker 1: But they've got eleven guys who play really discipline, who
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Speaker 1: play really fast, and I shouldn't say eleven because they
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Speaker 1: can rotate in the front seven. In a way, they
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Speaker 1: remind me a little bit of the twenty seventeen Eagles
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Speaker 1: defense in that that was another strengthened numbers team. All right,
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Speaker 1: The twenty seventeen Eagles did not also have They had
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Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox, and Fletcher's one of the best of his
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Speaker 1: era at defensive tackles, no doubt, not trying to say that,
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Speaker 1: but Fletcher Cox, even at his best, was not Aaron Donald, Okay,
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Speaker 1: not a world class game changer or just a really
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Speaker 1: really really good player. What do you make five or
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Speaker 1: six Pro Bowls? Really really good player? Okay, but if
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Speaker 1: you look at that twenty seventeen Eagles defense, you think
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Speaker 1: about the defensive front that they put out there, right,
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Speaker 1: and that did such a great job until the Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl when they went Brady threw for five hundred yards
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Speaker 1: against the defense. But again, on the back end, they
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Speaker 1: weren't that good. I mean the back end they didn't
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Speaker 1: have tremendous player. They had good safeties with Rodney and Malcolm,
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Speaker 1: but corner they were average. I mean they were thrown
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Speaker 1: out Goblin, you know, they were thrown out. Who's the
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Speaker 1: guy they got from Buffalo? Now his name escapes me.
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Speaker 1: I'll think of it in a few minutes. But they
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Speaker 1: weren't blessed with great cornerback. But the best corner was
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Speaker 1: a slot corner, Patrick Robinson. It was great for them
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Speaker 1: that year, but sort of like a one year wonder.
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Speaker 1: So the twenty seventeen Eagles were tough because up front,
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Speaker 1: look at what they had on the interior they had
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Speaker 1: I mentioned Fletcher Cox, Timmy jern again, and then bo
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Speaker 1: Allen would come in there as a number three. I
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Speaker 1: mean it was three, really good defensive tackles who could
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Speaker 1: get in their play. On the edges, they would have
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Speaker 1: Chris Long, they would have Derek Barnett, of course they
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Speaker 1: would have BG and then they would have Vinnie Curry.
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Speaker 1: So those four edges and those three d tackles, and
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Speaker 1: of course Brandon would move inside to make way for
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Speaker 1: Chris Long to come in. Right, they give you seven
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Speaker 1: horses up front, seven guys who could all come in
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Speaker 1: at any time and be disruptive. I mean, bo Allen
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Speaker 1: and Vinnie Curry were disruptive players. They were good, solid,
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Speaker 1: situational role players who at any time could make a
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Speaker 1: big play and did make a big play, right, And
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Speaker 1: so they were so tough because they could just come
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Speaker 1: at you and roll guys in and roll guys out.
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Speaker 1: And that's how I see the Seahawks defense. It's very talented.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't have a player who's going to be a
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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett or a Micah Parsons or someone who has
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Speaker 1: twenty sacks. They don't have an Aaron Donald. But you know,
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Speaker 1: their rock, their guy up front is a second year player,
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Speaker 1: first round pick in the middle, and he's sort of
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Speaker 1: like their Fletcher Cox and Byron Murphy. Really good player.
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Speaker 1: But then you get Leonard Williams, who's been a very
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Speaker 1: solid player throughout his career, DeMarcus Lawrence, who called a shot.
12:11
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence left the Dallas Cowboys after a long time
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Speaker 1: there and being a really good player, and he caused
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Speaker 1: some issues in an interview because he said I knew
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Speaker 1: I was just not going to win a Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: in Dallas, Okay, took a lot of flak from the
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Speaker 1: Cowboys fans. Well, guess what goes to Seattle Seahawks And
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Speaker 1: now he's in the Super Bowl, all right, So he
12:36
Speaker 1: turned out to be right. Took a lot of flat
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Speaker 1: but he turned out to be right. He's a good
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Speaker 1: player who can come at you.
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Speaker 2: So you get Murphy, he got Williams, DeMarcus Lawrence, Jaron Reid,
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Speaker 2: Derek Hall, boy A Mafi, and then they got good
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Speaker 2: linebackers Ernest Jones, Drake Thomas.
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Speaker 1: So they can come at you with so many different
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Speaker 1: players mentioned. Ammon Warri, who is a safety, who can
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Speaker 1: play nickel, who can play who can blitz, He can
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Speaker 1: play multiple positions, he can play, line them up anywhere.
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Speaker 1: The defense basically revolves around him, and they're really blessed
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Speaker 1: with good talent in the secondary. Obviously, Devin Witherspoon, Rik Wollen,
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Speaker 1: former Eagle, Josh Job has stepped up and become a
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Speaker 1: really good starter for them. They play a lot of nickel.
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Speaker 1: They play a lot of big nickel. So you're gonna
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Speaker 1: see guys like you're gonna see all the corners in
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Speaker 1: the safeties on the field. You're gonna see Amin Warri,
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Speaker 1: You're gonna see Job, You're gonna see Reek Wallin, Julian
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Speaker 1: Love safety. They got from the Giants, Witherspoon, and that's
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Speaker 1: who they are. They are a team that is built
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Speaker 1: around having solid players from top to bottom. Do they
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Speaker 1: have superstars? Witherspoon's a really good player. He's he's good.
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Speaker 1: He's really good. Is he Patrick Scertain? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's it's a tough call. He's a really good player.
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Speaker 1: I'm in worry. He's a rookie. He might eventually be
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Speaker 1: a superstar, but he's still a rookie. And upfront, guys
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Speaker 1: like Murphy good player, Lender Williams, good veteran, but not
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Speaker 1: guys that you're earmarking for the Hall of Fame. All right, now,
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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens for three or four years, maybe
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Speaker 1: some of these guys wind up becoming that good. Maybe
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Speaker 1: I'm in worry. Maybe Witherspoon, maybe Murphy in five or
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Speaker 1: six years we're talking about like that player, But right
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Speaker 1: now we're not. They are just so well coached, so disciplined,
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Speaker 1: and they've got a lot of really good players and
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Speaker 1: that's why. And they all buy into the system. They
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Speaker 1: all play well within the scheme. And like I said,
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Speaker 1: when you're out there and trying to move the ball
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Speaker 1: against them, you know, they race to the ball, they
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Speaker 1: set the edge well, they close in windows, play a
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Speaker 1: lot of zone, they close in windows, they get pressure
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Speaker 1: up front. So they're just solid in everything they do.
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Speaker 1: You've heard the term, the wrestling term, right, the excellence
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Speaker 1: of execution. That's what they are. They're very, very discipline
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Speaker 1: and when you look at them, you say, I don't
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Speaker 1: see a weakness. I don't know where Josh McDaniels from
15:21
Speaker 1: the Patriots looks at this defense and says, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to attack this. They're going to run their offense. They're
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Speaker 1: going to try to push the ball down the field
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Speaker 1: when they can, if they can, They're going to try
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Speaker 1: to get the ball to Steph Diggs when they can.
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Speaker 1: They're they're not gonna change I don't think what they do,
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Speaker 1: but for sure they're going to have to figure out
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Speaker 1: where they see the holes. Where do they think they
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Speaker 1: can get their quarterback and their receiver in a rhythm.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's going to be really difficult. I
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Speaker 1: didn't even mention. By the way, Nuosu, another linebacker for
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, he has seven sacks. All right, They're just
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Speaker 1: it's just how sound they are. They have six or
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Speaker 1: seven players, eight players maybe on their total out of
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Speaker 1: eleven on defense who can make life very difficult. In fact,
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Speaker 1: they had thirteen different players with at least one sack
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Speaker 1: this year. All right. That just shows you how balanced
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Speaker 1: they are. That will be the difficulty for the Patriots,
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Speaker 1: and the Patriots are inexperienced. That is why I believe
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks are favored and why I think that they
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Speaker 1: will probably win this game. I'm a little worried about
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Speaker 1: how Drake may has turned the ball over in the postseason.
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Speaker 1: He had to win against the Broncos with his legs.
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Speaker 1: He will still have to continue to use his legs
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Speaker 1: against this Seahawks defense. But I don't think the Seahawks
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Speaker 1: will allow him to run as much and plus the elements,
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Speaker 1: they won't be snowing. He won't have to run just
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Speaker 1: to run because there's nothing there, or because he can't
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Speaker 1: see his receivers on the field because the snow's comeing
16:57
Speaker 1: in sideways because of the wind. You won't have to
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Speaker 1: worry about it. That not at all. I think maybe
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Speaker 1: we'll have opportunities to be able to see cleanly his
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Speaker 1: receivers and try to get the ball to his receivers.
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Speaker 1: But then how will his internal clock be against the
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Speaker 1: Seahawks defense that will push the pocket, pinch the pocket,
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Speaker 1: and get everywhere. That is my concern. Drake made his inexperience.
17:24
Speaker 1: I know he's played well. I know he's running up
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Speaker 1: for MVP, but he's turned the ball over more so
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Speaker 1: than usual in the playoffs, and he's coming off a
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Speaker 1: game where it was a very wonky AFC Championship game.
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Speaker 1: Now I've said this before, very impressed with how the
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Speaker 1: Patriots have been able to win outside the margins, how
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Speaker 1: they've been able to win uncomfortably. All Right, they faced
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Speaker 1: really good defenses. They had to beat the Chargers, who
17:53
Speaker 1: made it uncomfortable for about three quarters before the Patriots
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Speaker 1: pulled away. Chargers have a great defense. Okay, then they
17:59
Speaker 1: had to play the Texans, who may have the best
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Speaker 1: defense in the NFL, made them uncomfortable, but they were
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Speaker 1: able to win, all right. And then of course you
18:08
Speaker 1: go into Denver. Playing in Denver is one of the
18:11
Speaker 1: toughest places to play, very very hard to win in
18:16
Speaker 1: Denver in the playoffs. And then of course you got
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Speaker 1: the snowstorm and they win the game. I will be
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Speaker 1: the first person to admit that the Patriots have had
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Speaker 1: a tougher road to the super Bowl and have show
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Speaker 1: handled more adversity to get to the super Bowl, and
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Speaker 1: have showed, despite their inexperience with the quarterback, that they
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Speaker 1: can overcome those things. But now you're asking them to
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Speaker 1: do it for a fourth straight time against a team
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Speaker 1: that has played almost perfectly all year, that a team
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Speaker 1: that I believe has less flaws than the Broncos. They're
18:55
Speaker 1: a better offensive team than the Broncos, way better offensive
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Speaker 1: team than the Texans. And by this, and we all
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Speaker 1: talked about the Chargers good, great defense, but had a
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Speaker 1: lot of offensive flaws, including injuries. Really a super Bowl
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Speaker 1: a quarterback whould never won a playoff game. So now
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Speaker 1: they're facing the Seahawks team though that I think, from
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Speaker 1: top to bottom, is better than any of the three
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Speaker 1: teams that they beat in the playoffs, and now you're
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Speaker 1: playing them not in their backyard, but in a stadium
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Speaker 1: in San Francisco that the Seahawks are very familiar with
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Speaker 1: playing in. They play in it twice a year. So
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Speaker 1: I just think that at some point you're run into
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Speaker 1: too many obstacles. If the Patriot and I'm not telling
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Speaker 1: you the Patriots can't win this game. If they do,
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Speaker 1: I think it'll be an unbelievable triumph for both Mike
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Speaker 1: Vrabel and Drake May, Josh McDaniels, the whole Patriots organization,
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Speaker 1: because honestly, I do think the odds are stacked against them.
19:58
Speaker 1: I think the ability that the Seahawks have to move
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Speaker 1: around Jackson Smith and Jigba, who Kubiak has done an
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Speaker 1: unbelievable job with. I know I've said this on the
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Speaker 1: show before, but it's not like the Seahawks offense has
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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that scare you. I mean, we
20:19
Speaker 1: look at the Super Bowls we've been watching lately. You know,
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Speaker 1: last year, you get the Eagles and the Chiefs, and
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Speaker 1: you've got Mahomes and you've got Hurts, and you've got
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Speaker 1: sa Quon Barkley, and you've got a j. Brown and
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Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, Travis Kelcey, of course, Dallas Goddard. I mean,
20:38
Speaker 1: the firepower just is sort of ridiculous. And you know,
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Speaker 1: then you go back to other Super Bowls, whether it
20:45
Speaker 1: was with the forty nine Ers, they were in it,
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Speaker 1: and they were giving you McCaffrey and Kittle and Debo
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Speaker 1: right and Ayuk when he was healthy, and then they
20:54
Speaker 1: were going up against the Chiefs, and the Chiefs had
20:56
Speaker 1: all these weapons. And if it was the Bengals, they
20:58
Speaker 1: had Burrow and Chase that year, and they had of
21:03
Speaker 1: course Higgins right. I mean, there's just we're used to
21:05
Speaker 1: seeing teams in the Super Bowl lately that just have
21:09
Speaker 1: so much firepower. And then you look at the Seahawks
21:12
Speaker 1: and you say, who scares you outside of Jackson Smith
21:16
Speaker 1: and Jigba. Kenneth Walker is a good player. He's not
21:18
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. He's not Seguon Barkley, all right, Barner the
21:25
Speaker 1: tight end good player, not Kelsey, not Godard. Okay, she
21:28
Speaker 1: heat heat, nice deep threat nice deep threat. Not a
21:32
Speaker 1: j Brown okay, not DeVante Smith, not Jamar Chase, not
21:40
Speaker 1: even she Rice Okay. Just a good, good, solid deep
21:45
Speaker 1: threat who hurts you more as a returner than he
21:49
Speaker 1: has Cooper Cup had a fantastic NFC Championship game. But
21:55
Speaker 1: this is not the guy who had the Triple Crown
21:57
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago with the Rams. All right,
21:59
Speaker 1: he is a role playing wide receiver who will help
22:03
Speaker 1: you out on third down. Now, he is not a
22:06
Speaker 1: guy you draw a circle around and say that's the
22:10
Speaker 1: guy we can't let beat us. No, it's really just
22:13
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigma and Amazingly, and this is why
22:16
Speaker 1: I felt like Klint Kubiak probably should have been the
22:19
Speaker 1: Assistant of the Year. Amazingly despite all that Smith and
22:25
Speaker 1: Jig but has been amazing It was Offensive player of
22:27
Speaker 1: the Year. And they get the ball to him, you know,
22:29
Speaker 1: they start putting him up in the backfield, so he's
22:31
Speaker 1: already a guy who plays inside outside slot, you know,
22:35
Speaker 1: and then they start lining him up in the backfield
22:36
Speaker 1: like a running back and they get the ball out
22:39
Speaker 1: of there using motion. I mean, they've done an unbelievable
22:42
Speaker 1: job taking this one player who can scare the life
22:45
Speaker 1: out of you and still being able to get him
22:47
Speaker 1: the ball. So how can New England win? I mentioned
22:51
Speaker 1: this on the last show. This is going to be
22:53
Speaker 1: a test of Mike Vrabel's ability to channel his inner
22:58
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Belichick was known as the guy who can
23:04
Speaker 1: take your best player out and then try to make
23:07
Speaker 1: the rest of the guys beat you. That started with
23:10
Speaker 1: Marshall Falk when they won the Super Bowl over the
23:14
Speaker 1: Greatest Show on Turf Rams and Brady's second year, his
23:17
Speaker 1: first Super Bowl, they were able to figure devise a
23:19
Speaker 1: scheme that took Marshall Falk out of the game or
23:24
Speaker 1: at least made him a whole lot less. I mean,
23:27
Speaker 1: Marshall Fawk was maybe the best two way running back
23:30
Speaker 1: in the league for a couple of years there. I mean,
23:33
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable and the Patriots did an excellent job
23:39
Speaker 1: as Bill Belichick was starting to make a name for
23:41
Speaker 1: himself of taking him out of the game. And of course,
23:44
Speaker 1: Brady made the few throws that they needed to win
23:48
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl, and that sort of set
23:51
Speaker 1: the legacy for both Brady but also for Bill Belichick
23:55
Speaker 1: being able to take guys out of a game if
23:59
Speaker 1: you're wondering far, I'll look it up. Here. Falk had
24:01
Speaker 1: seventy six yards rushing and fifty four yards receiving. He
24:05
Speaker 1: didn't score a touchdown in that Super Bowl, so yeah,
24:08
Speaker 1: you can say he had, you know, over one hundred
24:11
Speaker 1: and twenty yards. But this is a guy who had
24:13
Speaker 1: an unbelievable career, was known for finding the end zone.
24:17
Speaker 1: And you know, seventeen for seventy six it's not a
24:20
Speaker 1: great rushing day. And you know, four for fifty four,
24:25
Speaker 1: you'd have to go back and remember it, you know.
24:27
Speaker 1: I mean, this is guy Marshall Falk who would catch seven,
24:29
Speaker 1: eight nine passes in any single game. So now Kurt
24:33
Speaker 1: Warner had a big game, but he also was intercepted twice.
24:38
Speaker 1: All right, so do you look at the I'm looking
24:42
Speaker 1: at the Isaac Bruce fifty six yards, Okay, Tory Holt
24:45
Speaker 1: forty nine yards. That was Belichick's thing. He knew how
24:51
Speaker 1: to design and that's why he's one of the greatest
24:52
Speaker 1: defensive minds. And you know, it's not being in the
24:55
Speaker 1: Super Bowl is kind of crazy. I mean, I'm sorry,
24:58
Speaker 1: not being in the Hall of Fame first ballot, it's
25:00
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. But That is what made Belichick who
25:04
Speaker 1: he was. He knew how to take the best player
25:07
Speaker 1: from the other team away from the game. All Right,
25:11
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at their next Super Bowl,
25:13
Speaker 1: they went over the Panthers. Steve Smith four catches for
25:16
Speaker 1: eighty yards. Didn't go crazy, didn't go crazy, musing Muhammad
25:20
Speaker 1: had a huge game, four for one forty but to
25:24
Speaker 1: home was three. Remember that game. He came alive in
25:29
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. All right, the Home was sixteen of
25:31
Speaker 1: thirty three completedly less than fifty percent of his passes. Now,
25:34
Speaker 1: he wound up late getting the ball to Steve Smith,
25:37
Speaker 1: getting the ball to Museum Muhammad. But the Panther that
25:41
Speaker 1: was a fourteen to ten game, I believe. Going into
25:44
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, the Patriots are fourteen to ten. Then
25:46
Speaker 1: they went twenty one to ten, so they were starting
25:48
Speaker 1: to pull away. To Shan Foster gets a touchdown run
25:52
Speaker 1: twenty one sixteen. It wasn't until at that point, deep
25:55
Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter that Muhammad and Steve Smith were
25:59
Speaker 1: really starting to do things. Smith had an earlier touchdown
26:01
Speaker 1: in the game in the second quarter. But this has
26:04
Speaker 1: been the Belichick mantra, take the other player's best take
26:10
Speaker 1: the other team's best player out of the game. If
26:13
Speaker 1: they can do that to Jackson, Smith and Jigma, I
26:16
Speaker 1: can't see a scenario where Seattle can win the Super
26:19
Speaker 1: Bowl if Smith and Jigba is held under sixty yards,
26:23
Speaker 1: all right, that is to me the key for the Patriots.
26:27
Speaker 1: Can they figure out a way to get enough bodies
26:32
Speaker 1: on Smith and Jigba to close enough windows to follow
26:35
Speaker 1: him around. You know, he's not the type of player
26:38
Speaker 1: you can trail with Christian Gonzalez because he moves around
26:41
Speaker 1: too much, all right, I don't, I don't. I don't
26:44
Speaker 1: suspect now, maybe every time he lines up on the boundary,
26:49
Speaker 1: you might see Christian Gonzalez on him on the boundary.
26:52
Speaker 1: But know includ Kubiak, who will move Smith and Jigba
26:56
Speaker 1: around to make sure that it doesn't become one on
27:00
Speaker 1: one Smith and jig But Verus Gonzales for an entire game,
27:03
Speaker 1: that would not be wise. I think cluding Kubiak is
27:06
Speaker 1: too smart for that. And then I expect Smith and
27:11
Speaker 1: jig but they will figure out different ways to get
27:13
Speaker 1: in the ball. If the Patriots can stop that, I
27:15
Speaker 1: believe their chance of winning goes way up. The second way,
27:18
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots can win. Is getting Sam Donald
27:24
Speaker 1: stuck in the pocket. Now. Donald's had a great year,
27:26
Speaker 1: but one thing that's kind of gone overlooked, all right,
27:30
Speaker 1: is that he has turned the ball over quite a bit.
27:34
Speaker 1: The recency of Sam Donald is, man, he played so
27:38
Speaker 1: well in the NFC Championship game. He played so well,
27:42
Speaker 1: you know, against the Rams, and he played well against
27:48
Speaker 1: who is that they play in the second round. It's
27:49
Speaker 1: escaping me right now. But he has been playing really well.
27:53
Speaker 1: The forty nine ers played well against the forty nine
27:55
Speaker 1: ers team. That's the recency of everything right now. Is
27:59
Speaker 1: that Sam has had four touchdowns and no interceptions in
28:05
Speaker 1: the two playoff games that the Seahawks have played. But
28:08
Speaker 1: if you go look for the year at Sam Donald's stats,
28:14
Speaker 1: he had fourteen interceptions this year. That's more than last year.
28:17
Speaker 1: He had twelve with the Vikings. He had fourteen this year.
28:22
Speaker 1: And he fumbled quite a bit as well, lost a
28:25
Speaker 1: lot of fumbles, all right. He had eleven fumbles. He
28:28
Speaker 1: led the NFL in fumbles. So you get twenty five
28:32
Speaker 1: turnovers in seventeen games, draveraging more than a turnover a game.
28:38
Speaker 1: I heard Greg Closo breaking down Sam Donald on Media Row.
28:45
Speaker 1: I think he was with our partners at ninety seven
28:47
Speaker 1: three ESPN Mike gil It might have been with Kaplan
28:49
Speaker 1: there and yeah, he was with Brian Hoyer. We have
28:52
Speaker 1: that podcast that on Inside the Birds. What he was
28:55
Speaker 1: saying is Sam Donald has played fantastically within the structure
28:58
Speaker 1: of the offense this year. There's no doubt about it.
29:01
Speaker 1: He and that Klin Kubiak offense, which again has similarities
29:05
Speaker 1: to Kevin O'Connell's offense, have worked and clicked and they
29:08
Speaker 1: drive the ball down the field off play action, maybe
29:11
Speaker 1: better than anybody in the NFL. But Greg said, you
29:15
Speaker 1: can still see that when Donald doesn't see it immediately
29:19
Speaker 1: and he's in the pocket and things start to close
29:21
Speaker 1: and he's not sure, everything gets fast for him. That
29:25
Speaker 1: the feet get fast and the arms get fast. Not
29:27
Speaker 1: only fast in a good way, I mean frenetic. You
29:30
Speaker 1: can see that. You can make Sam Donald frenetic. And
29:35
Speaker 1: if you can make him frenetic enough that he fumbles
29:38
Speaker 1: the ball, you get a stripsack, or he throws an interception,
29:41
Speaker 1: he rushes the throw. You've seen it. It's happened all
29:45
Speaker 1: year long, just not the last two games. They've been
29:48
Speaker 1: able to overcome it because they're so good all around
29:51
Speaker 1: and defensively, and because himself Sam Darnald will make two
29:54
Speaker 1: or three really explosive plays to compensate. But you're in
29:57
Speaker 1: the super Bowl now and every possession will matter. Special
30:03
Speaker 1: teams will play a role in this game because it
30:07
Speaker 1: always does. It'll be either a field goal, it could
30:10
Speaker 1: be a block pat it could be a big return.
30:15
Speaker 1: I think in that regard it favors the Seahawks and Shaheed.
30:19
Speaker 1: You know, Meyers is a good kicker. There's nothing wrong
30:22
Speaker 1: I don't think with New England special teams. I think
30:24
Speaker 1: they're in this game also because they have some very
30:26
Speaker 1: good special teams players. They tackle well on special teams.
30:29
Speaker 1: You know, Mike Rabel is going to have a team
30:32
Speaker 1: that excels in that area. But Seattle's got the explosive return,
30:36
Speaker 1: and actually the Patriots have Marcus Jones. He's pretty capable
30:40
Speaker 1: of a good return too. In fact, on the gate,
30:43
Speaker 1: I think just only again, it's the recency bias of
30:46
Speaker 1: seeing Rashid Jaheed basically win games for the Seahawks since
30:50
Speaker 1: they traded for him. On returns. All right, both of
30:53
Speaker 1: these teams are capable of big explosive returns. This game,
30:57
Speaker 1: I am letting you know now, will not go from
31:01
Speaker 1: kickoff to final buzzer without a major special teams play.
31:06
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about some guy kicks a thirty
31:08
Speaker 1: two yard field goal right before halftime and you say, hey,
31:11
Speaker 1: special teams comes through. No, no, no, This game will
31:14
Speaker 1: be decided by someone kicking a very long field goal
31:18
Speaker 1: or having a pat or a field goal blocked, or
31:22
Speaker 1: a big return that either scores a touchdown or sets
31:25
Speaker 1: up a touchdown because it gives a team great field position.
31:29
Speaker 1: Book it mark my words. It happens nearly every Super Bowl.
31:35
Speaker 1: And this is why the Rams, by the way, aren't
31:38
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl because of their special teams. Because
31:41
Speaker 1: they got kick they had kicks blocked all year, They
31:44
Speaker 1: gave up a big return in a game. They fired
31:47
Speaker 1: their special teams coordinator in the middle of the year.
31:49
Speaker 1: It didn't get any better for Sean McVay after that.
31:53
Speaker 1: I firmly believe the muff punt that they had against
31:58
Speaker 1: Seattle that led to the touchdown was the biggest reason
32:01
Speaker 1: of all the reasons that the Rams didn't beat the
32:03
Speaker 1: Seahawks in the NFC Championship Game. Special teams will matter,
32:09
Speaker 1: and the beauty for both of these teams is they're
32:12
Speaker 1: both pretty good on special teams. But that doesn't mean
32:15
Speaker 1: one team can't make the explosive that matters over the
32:19
Speaker 1: other and whoever does Again, possessions in the Super Bowl
32:25
Speaker 1: are enormous, especially in these close games. So if this
32:29
Speaker 1: game is gonna be close, I could be all right.
32:33
Speaker 1: Special teams will play a huge factor, and turnovers, bringing
32:37
Speaker 1: it back to Donald, will play a huge factor. Donald
32:43
Speaker 1: and May. Donald has been a turnover machine during the
32:46
Speaker 1: regular season. May has turned the ball over in the postseason.
32:50
Speaker 1: All Right, one of those has got to give in
32:53
Speaker 1: this game, and whoever gives is gonna regret it, unfortunately
33:01
Speaker 1: for that person. Hero and Goat. That's the way it
33:03
Speaker 1: is with the Super Bowl, all right. I've broken down
33:07
Speaker 1: the game now twice two straight weeks. Those are to
33:09
Speaker 1: think the biggest sticking points for both teams. I'm gonna
33:13
Speaker 1: give my prediction now, so this will be my last
33:15
Speaker 1: one of the year. I went one and one last week.
33:17
Speaker 1: I won on the Broncos, getting three and a half
33:20
Speaker 1: over the Patriots. They covered, they lost, but they covered,
33:24
Speaker 1: and I lost on the Rams getting two and a
33:28
Speaker 1: half over, the Seahawks lost by four. I think it
33:30
Speaker 1: was in the end. So this game, as I mentioned,
33:36
Speaker 1: Seahawks are five point favorites. I'm gonna take the Seahawks.
33:39
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna win this game by between ten
33:41
Speaker 1: and thirteen points. It doesn't mean it's gonna be a blowout.
33:45
Speaker 1: I can see this being sort of, you know, something
33:48
Speaker 1: like sixteen thirteen Seahawks in the fourth quarter late and
33:51
Speaker 1: then you know, they get a touchdown and it becomes
33:55
Speaker 1: twenty three thirteen. Okay, get a field goal, it's nineteen
33:59
Speaker 1: thirteen something like that. But I think they'll cover. I
34:02
Speaker 1: think they'll win by ten. Like I said, in that
34:05
Speaker 1: ten to thirteen range. If there's a blowout, I think
34:10
Speaker 1: it'll be the Seahawks blowing out the Patriots. I cannot
34:13
Speaker 1: see a scenario where the Patriots blow out the Seahawks
34:16
Speaker 1: unless Darnold has like five turnovers. I don't see that happening.
34:20
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just the way they play ball
34:23
Speaker 1: doesn't lend itself to that. I didn't really talk about
34:25
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense, but I will say I think they've
34:27
Speaker 1: been very, very improved throughout the play. It's not that
34:30
Speaker 1: they were improved. They had some injuries throughout the year.
34:32
Speaker 1: Milton Williams was hurt for a time. I think they
34:34
Speaker 1: had some secondary issues. But Gonzalez is a really good corner.
34:38
Speaker 1: Milton Williams has been fantastic in the postseason. He battled
34:42
Speaker 1: an ankle injury throughout the year. Barmore is good. So
34:46
Speaker 1: when you get Christian Barmore and Milton Williams on the
34:50
Speaker 1: field at the same time, it's really good. Alleviates you know,
34:55
Speaker 1: it opens things up for the edge rushers. You know,
34:57
Speaker 1: kay Leveon Chase's had a great rushy year. I mean,
35:01
Speaker 1: I don't think there are a fearsome team around the edges,
35:03
Speaker 1: but they're pretty good. But when you got the interior
35:06
Speaker 1: of mill Williams and Barmore, you're pretty good. They're linebacker,
35:10
Speaker 1: you know, Elis Christianellis used to be with the Eagles
35:13
Speaker 1: has really come on for them as a linebacker. So
35:17
Speaker 1: they're solid top to bottom. They're not as good as
35:18
Speaker 1: the Seahawks defensively, but they're pretty good and so that
35:21
Speaker 1: should help them stay in this game. I hope it's
35:24
Speaker 1: an exciting Super Bowl. It hasn't had much pomp and
35:27
Speaker 1: circumstance leading up, but I hope it's an exciting one.
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Speaker 1: I said, I would talk about the Eagles and the
39:00
Speaker 1: whole Staltland situation. It's unfortunate the way it's happened. You know,
39:07
Speaker 1: Adam talked about this with the Patreon members and we'll
39:09
Speaker 1: talk about it more on inside the Birds going forward
39:11
Speaker 1: before we move on. Because it's what's done is done.
39:14
Speaker 1: You know, there there are obviously things that weren't right
39:17
Speaker 1: between on the offensive coaching staff throughout the year. The
39:22
Speaker 1: run game had a lot to do with it. Staltland's
39:23
Speaker 1: in charge of it. You know, you've read, it's been
39:26
Speaker 1: out there. There were some frustrations on both sides, and
39:29
Speaker 1: the reality is it was Staltland's decision, as Adam has reported,
39:34
Speaker 1: it was absolutely Steutlin's decision to not coach the offensive line,
39:40
Speaker 1: and maybe he felt forced into that decision. It doesn't
39:44
Speaker 1: matter at this point. I think what matters is this
39:47
Speaker 1: what you have to understand in the NFL. Okay, everybody's
39:51
Speaker 1: looking for someone to blame, and the Eagles are taking
39:53
Speaker 1: a ton of blame. Some people are blaming Stalin because
39:56
Speaker 1: they were upset with how the run game was last year.
39:58
Speaker 1: The Eagles are being called dysfunctional, they recalled a mess.
40:02
Speaker 1: There's certainly reasons to question the Eagles throughout their offseason
40:07
Speaker 1: because how they look next year might be completely different.
40:11
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody expected that. And I don't
40:14
Speaker 1: think anybody is upset that they wanted to push the
40:18
Speaker 1: reset button on offense. Everybody knew they needed to push
40:22
Speaker 1: the reset button on offense. I just think that most
40:26
Speaker 1: people expected after the year ended that it would be
40:30
Speaker 1: a reset behind someone who has proven that they can reset.
40:35
Speaker 1: You know, a proven play caller who's going to hire
40:37
Speaker 1: experienced coaches. Okay, it's not the case. You're getting a
40:41
Speaker 1: whole young coaching staff an entirely new scheme, and that
40:44
Speaker 1: opens up question marks. I get that. I totally completely
40:48
Speaker 1: understand that, but I don't I don't think. I think
40:52
Speaker 1: there's too much of a history in this league of
40:55
Speaker 1: guys who have excelled in a spot. Now it's usually
40:59
Speaker 1: no an offensive line cop Stotland's very much a rare.
41:02
Speaker 1: I mean, my colleague at Philly Voice, Nick Tricombe wrote
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Speaker 1: a great column and you should all read it about
41:09
Speaker 1: how rare it is for a town to know it's
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Speaker 1: offensive line coach the way Philadelphia knows Jeff Staltlin revers
41:16
Speaker 1: Jeff Staltlin connects with Jeff Staltlin, and vice versa. That
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Speaker 1: is absolutely rare for a position, any position coach, quarterback, coach,
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Speaker 1: wide receivers coach, offensive line coach. But that just just
41:29
Speaker 1: shows you how successful, how legendary, how connective Jeff Staltlin was,
41:37
Speaker 1: not only with the players but the city. How vital
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Speaker 1: the Eagles offensive line has been to the success of
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Speaker 1: the Eagles to be able to win two Super Bowls
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Speaker 1: and go to three with a you know a lot
41:50
Speaker 1: of same linemen, crossover linemen like Kelsey and you know
41:54
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson, Jordan Mylotta, but you know, different quarterbacks in
41:59
Speaker 1: the three Super Bowls. Obvious Foles WinCE in one and
42:02
Speaker 1: then hurts the other two in different coaching staffs. All right,
42:05
Speaker 1: But the one thing that has been the constant has
42:08
Speaker 1: been the play, the elite play of the offensive line
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Speaker 1: and Jeff Stealtlin as the developer of the offensive lineman.
42:14
Speaker 1: So it is very rare that you see this, But
42:18
Speaker 1: what is not rare in the NFL is to see
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Speaker 1: what you might describe as an ugly divorce between a
42:26
Speaker 1: successful franchise and its pillars. All Right, it did not
42:32
Speaker 1: we end well in New England for Bill Belichick, Robert
42:37
Speaker 1: Craft and Tom Brady. I guarantee you Craft never wanted
42:41
Speaker 1: to see Brady leave, especially go to Tampa and when
42:44
Speaker 1: another ring there. We already know Craft and Belichick have not,
42:51
Speaker 1: you know, exactly been on each other's a holiday card list. Okay,
42:55
Speaker 1: time will heal wounds. But it didn't end well. And
42:58
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate because they wont so much together for so
43:01
Speaker 1: long and in such a dominant way. But what happens
43:04
Speaker 1: is is Ego Belichick thought his way, the Patriot way,
43:10
Speaker 1: was gonna last forever, even beyond Brady. He was wrong. Okay,
43:14
Speaker 1: Craft again never wanted a C Brady go, put all
43:18
Speaker 1: his trust in Belichick, and it haunted him in the end.
43:23
Speaker 1: All Right, those guys are not on great terms, and
43:27
Speaker 1: eventually I think they will be. But it didn't end
43:31
Speaker 1: well because you have so many people who have succeeded
43:34
Speaker 1: their way doing it and believe it's their way. All right,
43:39
Speaker 1: It didn't end well in Dallas for Tom Landry when
43:42
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones took over, and that's basically Jerry Jones's fault.
43:45
Speaker 1: And by the way, didn't end well between Jimmy Johnson
43:49
Speaker 1: and Jerry Jones. And that's also Jerry Jones's fault. In
43:52
Speaker 1: this situation, you can definitely say it's the fault of
43:56
Speaker 1: a guy who came in and just acted like he
43:58
Speaker 1: was better than everybody else in Jerry Johnssen, Jorge Jones.
44:02
Speaker 1: How about the Packers. I mean, Brett Farv won a
44:05
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with the Packers, who was there for over
44:07
Speaker 1: a decade. It was an unbelievable story the way they
44:12
Speaker 1: found him in a trade with Atlanta and developed him
44:14
Speaker 1: under Mike Holmgren. All Right, the Packers were truly a
44:18
Speaker 1: great franchise for a long time under Farv. That ended ugly.
44:22
Speaker 1: He went to their division rivals, to the Vikings, the
44:26
Speaker 1: Packers who had drafted Aaron Rodgers at the time, and
44:30
Speaker 1: there was friction between those guys. Right, The Packers, I believe,
44:33
Speaker 1: if I haven recall correctly, had to file some tampering
44:35
Speaker 1: charges against the Vikings. When it happened and went down,
44:39
Speaker 1: it was not ugly. It was not good because FARV
44:43
Speaker 1: was so successful and Holmgren and the Packers were so successful,
44:48
Speaker 1: and FARV was getting older and they had Aaron Rodgers
44:51
Speaker 1: on the come up, and you're just not going to
44:53
Speaker 1: get everybody to be on the same page with that. Okay,
44:57
Speaker 1: some people want to move on, some people want to
44:58
Speaker 1: stay some you know, you get different philosophies. And so
45:02
Speaker 1: it didn't end well. And then eighteen years after that,
45:06
Speaker 1: it did not end well with Aaron Rodgers and the Packers.
45:10
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a cold ending. You know, I'm
45:12
Speaker 1: sure time will heal wounds, and it's been talked about.
45:15
Speaker 1: I'm sure it will, it always does, but it didn't well.
45:19
Speaker 1: Aaron didn't want to be forced out and leave and
45:22
Speaker 1: watch the team go on to Jordan Love. But that's
45:24
Speaker 1: what happened. And you know, you remember that last year
45:27
Speaker 1: there were some press conferences where Aaron basically let it
45:31
Speaker 1: known he was not feeling happy about things with the
45:34
Speaker 1: Packers' management. So you could see that did not end
45:38
Speaker 1: well either. It didn't end I wouldn't say it ended
45:41
Speaker 1: disastery disastrously for Andy Reid and the Eagles, because when
45:47
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lurie fired Andy. They hugged, you know, they both
45:52
Speaker 1: felt it was time. It was a mutual thing. But
45:56
Speaker 1: what led to it was a total, abject, outright disaster.
46:02
Speaker 1: You know, Andy started to lose power there at the
46:05
Speaker 1: end over the last two years, started to have things
46:08
Speaker 1: forced on him, you know, recommendations, strong ones from up
46:13
Speaker 1: top to hire certain coaches. We know that Washburn was
46:16
Speaker 1: hired before defensive coordinator. That cost Andy the opportunity to
46:20
Speaker 1: hire a really good defensive coordinator because they didn't want
46:23
Speaker 1: to come and already have to run a scheme run
46:26
Speaker 1: by Jim Washburn. So then he had the name one
46:28
Speaker 1: Castillo is defensive coordinator. Then Wan and Washburn. You know,
46:34
Speaker 1: Wan was not treated well by Washburn. It got ugly
46:37
Speaker 1: at the end. It got really ugly, got ugly in
46:41
Speaker 1: the front office many times with Howie and some of
46:44
Speaker 1: you know on his way up and Joe Banner. I mean,
46:46
Speaker 1: the whole twenty ten to twelve Eagles ugly and then
46:51
Speaker 1: the Chip Kelly Eer ugly as well. But I wanted
46:54
Speaker 1: to keep this to Andy Reid Eagles because we're discussing
46:56
Speaker 1: what it's like when you've had so much success in
46:58
Speaker 1: one place and at the end the pressure to win,
47:03
Speaker 1: combined with the ego, causes these situations. By the way,
47:07
Speaker 1: if you have some time, I don't want to go
47:08
Speaker 1: through every situation. But Tom Claughlin two super Bowls and
47:11
Speaker 1: twelve years with the Giants didn't end well. Didn't then well,
47:15
Speaker 1: had a couple losing seasons. They lost faith in him.
47:17
Speaker 1: The locker room still liked Tom, still think he could
47:20
Speaker 1: do it. Tom was basically saying some other changes were needed.
47:22
Speaker 1: They forced him out. They haven't been the same since
47:25
Speaker 1: it was like a mutual part It wasn't. Tom did
47:27
Speaker 1: not leave on good terms with the Giants. Joe Montana
47:30
Speaker 1: did not leave. He won four Super Bowls with the
47:33
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. All right, it did not end well there.
47:36
Speaker 1: They were ready. He was getting hurt later in his career.
47:39
Speaker 1: Ninety three, they had Steve Young and they were ready
47:43
Speaker 1: to go forward with Steve Young. Montana didn't like it,
47:46
Speaker 1: didn't appreciate it. Again, he had won four Super Bowls success,
47:50
Speaker 1: doing it his way, organization seeing it another way, and
47:54
Speaker 1: it didn't end well. Tom sure time as heal wounds,
47:56
Speaker 1: I would imagine Joe Montana and the Niners are good
47:58
Speaker 1: now because years later you look back and you remember
48:01
Speaker 1: the good times. But you know, I don't want to
48:04
Speaker 1: say it was destined for Stoutland to end this way
48:08
Speaker 1: with the Eagles. It's not. I mean, there have been,
48:10
Speaker 1: you know, good partings, and I don't think Mike Tomlin
48:14
Speaker 1: and the Steelers of any acrimony. You know, it sounded
48:16
Speaker 1: like with Harball getting fired in Baltimore. He's expressed nothing
48:20
Speaker 1: but love for Bashadi, the owner and the organization. Okay,
48:25
Speaker 1: I'm not saying every single situation has to but when
48:28
Speaker 1: you have strong personalities, Nick's a strong personality, Jeff is
48:33
Speaker 1: a strong personality. Stout all right, the owner's got a
48:36
Speaker 1: strong personality. When you have strong personalities who are all
48:39
Speaker 1: under pressure to win and things aren't going well, and
48:43
Speaker 1: they were not going well, all right, and you got
48:48
Speaker 1: two factions, you don't see eye to eye on how
48:50
Speaker 1: to fix it, and things get you know, you're you're
48:54
Speaker 1: the pressure to win. It is the pressure to win.
48:57
Speaker 1: I'm sure Stoutland felt like he knew that most coaches,
49:01
Speaker 1: by nature are when things are going bad, you don't
49:03
Speaker 1: change things up. You've doubled down. Sometimes that hurts coaches,
49:07
Speaker 1: all right, because it means they can't adjust all right.
49:09
Speaker 1: Sometimes It helps coaches because it means that their process
49:13
Speaker 1: is right. But you go through a little bit adversity.
49:16
Speaker 1: If you start to change your process, then you lose
49:18
Speaker 1: who you are as a coach. Okay, Stalin had won
49:22
Speaker 1: doing it his way for a long long time. Sirianni
49:25
Speaker 1: has been a winner since he became the Eagles head coach.
49:29
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm not saying it was destined to be
49:32
Speaker 1: this way. I'm telling you I'm not surprised that it
49:35
Speaker 1: ended this way because it's tough ego, the pressure to win,
49:39
Speaker 1: the pressure to rescue at an offense that was just
49:43
Speaker 1: absolutely dying over years. All Right, something had to be
49:47
Speaker 1: done and somebody's feelings are going to get hurt. That's
49:50
Speaker 1: how it goes. That's how it was for Aaron Rodgers,
49:54
Speaker 1: That's how it was for Farv So what was for Montana,
49:56
Speaker 1: how it was for Brady Belichicka, all these people involved.
50:00
Speaker 1: I believe down the road there will be harmony again
50:05
Speaker 1: between Stellin and the Eagles. Can't say that for sure.
50:07
Speaker 1: I'm sure it will be, but I mean I imagine that
50:10
Speaker 1: it will be, But I'm not surprised at it end
50:13
Speaker 1: that way. And obviously you can't be a hypocrite about
50:17
Speaker 1: the Eagles. You cannot say that everything about their offense
50:21
Speaker 1: needed to change from ground up and then criticize the
50:27
Speaker 1: Eagles for then going about and making all these changes.
50:30
Speaker 1: Maybe the way it happened in the middle of the
50:34
Speaker 1: season was messy. Maybe it reminds you of the messiness
50:37
Speaker 1: from Sean Desai and Matt Patricia. And that was Sirianni's
50:41
Speaker 1: fault one hundred percent. When I say it's his fault,
50:43
Speaker 1: because he's the head coach and you know he's allowing.
50:47
Speaker 1: You know, the whole hiring of these two guys from
50:50
Speaker 1: different schemes to preside over a defense was flawed from
50:53
Speaker 1: the start. It was we said it at the time,
50:56
Speaker 1: same thing in twenty twenty, not Sirianni. But this is
51:00
Speaker 1: more Howie's fault. When you have Doug Peterson and Doug's
51:03
Speaker 1: fault two right, and the offense is decaying and he's
51:07
Speaker 1: loyal to Press Taylor and then all of a sudden
51:09
Speaker 1: he gets some coaches forced on him. Scangerello's in here,
51:13
Speaker 1: Marty Morning legs back, Andrew Brinder's back, and you get
51:15
Speaker 1: too many cooks in the kitchen, and that that that
51:17
Speaker 1: that it was terrible for the Eagles, and we could
51:21
Speaker 1: have predicted it. We did. We said it on inside
51:23
Speaker 1: the Birds that this this feels like too many cooks,
51:26
Speaker 1: too many different backgrounds, might not work, probably won't work,
51:29
Speaker 1: could be disastrous, and it was. But the organization was
51:32
Speaker 1: under pressure to win. They have won the Super Bowl.
51:34
Speaker 1: They couldn't get back the last two years despite making
51:37
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Things were, things were decaying and they needed
51:40
Speaker 1: a life preserver. And that's when you see the panic
51:43
Speaker 1: set in. Probably happened this past year or two with
51:46
Speaker 1: the run game. All Right, it's over now, the Eagles
51:49
Speaker 1: are starting over. In the long term, we're gonna find
51:52
Speaker 1: out if everything's great, if this offense hits the ground running,
51:57
Speaker 1: or if the changes weren't good enough. But that's for
52:02
Speaker 1: time to tell, all right. So that was just my
52:06
Speaker 1: feeling on the situation. It's unfortunate that it came down
52:09
Speaker 1: the way it did, but it is certainly not the
52:11
Speaker 1: first and won't be the last. If you want to
52:14
Speaker 1: call it ugly divorce, I don't call it that. We'll
52:17
Speaker 1: see what happens this year with Stout when he's still
52:19
Speaker 1: under contract. It could still be with the team in
52:21
Speaker 1: some capacity. We'll see, But I don't call it an
52:24
Speaker 1: ugly divorce. Maybe an ugly ending, for sure. I mean,
52:28
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are making a deal
52:30
Speaker 1: about how he thanked the Philadelphia fan in his video
52:33
Speaker 1: and didn't say anything about the organization. Hey again, part
52:38
Speaker 1: of this is just how it works in the NFL.
52:41
Speaker 1: And sometime ten, five, ten, fifteen years down the road,
52:45
Speaker 1: everybody will look back on the Stoutland and Eagle partnership
52:50
Speaker 1: for thirteen years as nothing but a beautiful, harmonious, great thing.
52:54
Speaker 1: And I'm sure the Eagles there are anything. They've been
52:56
Speaker 1: putting out all sorts of great posts on social media
52:58
Speaker 1: about stout and I think stout Will will eventually come
53:01
Speaker 1: around to it too, you know, he probably. I don't
53:03
Speaker 1: know if they put any coaches in the Hall of
53:06
Speaker 1: Fame or Eagles Hall of Fame, I have to go
53:08
Speaker 1: go check, but you know they will honor Jeff Stoutlin
53:11
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia for sure, down the road. All right, everybody,
53:15
Speaker 1: enjoy your Super Bowl, have fun at your parties, enjoy
53:18
Speaker 1: the game. Try not to get distracted. I hate watching
53:22
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl that I can't focus in on the game.
53:26
Speaker 1: I really, you know, all the pomp and circumstance and
53:28
Speaker 1: everything like that. They're going to Super Bowl parties and
53:31
Speaker 1: I really want to pay attention to this game. I'm
53:33
Speaker 1: really excited about the strategical matchups if you couldn't tell
53:36
Speaker 1: by how I was breaking it down. And I really
53:38
Speaker 1: hope it's a great game and I hope everybody gets
53:41
Speaker 1: a chance to enjoy it. Oh and one last thing,
53:43
Speaker 1: even though this is the last NFL preview show of
53:49
Speaker 1: this season, I think I might keep this up throughout
53:52
Speaker 1: the offseason, just giving you guys my thoughts on what's
53:56
Speaker 1: happening around the NFL. Thoughts on you know, whether it's
54:00
Speaker 1: team change, coaching change, free agency draft, just doing things
54:05
Speaker 1: like that. So I've gotten good feedback. People seem to
54:07
Speaker 1: like the show and appreciate the insight, and so I'm
54:10
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing it because I like to do it.
54:13
Speaker 1: Have a great football Sunday. I am I allowed to say,
54:16
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not allowed to say the words either,
54:17
Speaker 1: So enjoy the big game on Sunday. Everybody. Catch on
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