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- 0:15Speaker 1: It's 7-0-6. It's Friday, and a very happy Friday to everyone.
- 0:19Speaker 1: Extra special, I'm looking at former Congressman, now citizen, Brad Winstrip,
- 0:23Speaker 1: who's still spending a lot of time in Washington, D.C. Brad,
- 0:25Speaker 1: welcome back, my dear friend. It's always a pleasure seeing
- 0:27Speaker 1: you and talking with you here on the 55KRC Morning Show.
- 0:30Speaker 2: You too, Brian. I enjoy it.
- 0:33Speaker 3: There's so much going on and so much I've had
- 0:35Speaker 3: the opportunity to see, you know, through years in the
- 0:39Speaker 3: military and in Congress and in medicine and the combination
- 0:43Speaker 3: of things that you learn a lot. You don't want
- 0:46Speaker 3: to waste it. You want to stay involved and carry
- 0:49Speaker 3: on with that.
- 0:49Speaker 1: Well, and you have that. Yeah, absolutely. That's why you're
- 0:51Speaker 1: in D.C. What was it, the President's Intelligence Advisory Board?
- 0:55Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 0:55Speaker 1: You still have your security clearance, don't you?
- 0:57Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah.
- 0:58Speaker 3: Yeah, so, and it's a chance while I'm up there
- 1:01Speaker 3: to touch base on a few other things. I'm a
- 1:03Speaker 3: director for Americans for Health Excellence. Oh.
- 1:07Speaker 2: And I got a little letter to the.
- 1:09Speaker 1: Editor in the Wall Street Journal last week. That's the
- 1:11Speaker 1: perfect time. Perfect segue into the Wall Street Journal letter
- 1:15Speaker 1: you sent in. You got it published. And, of course,
- 1:17Speaker 1: perfect timing on that because the Democrats are all running around.
- 1:19Speaker 1: We're going to have Medicare for all. We're going to
- 1:21Speaker 1: have Medicare for all. And they fail to appreciate just
- 1:24Speaker 1: the simple dollars and cents reality that it's trillions and
- 1:28Speaker 1: trillions of dollars in additional expenditures over a mere 10 years.
- 1:33Speaker 1: What did the Cato Institute figure out? It was like
- 1:34Speaker 1: $ 30 trillion or something for this exercise?
- 1:37Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unbelievable. They don't care. They just think it's there.
- 1:41Speaker 2: They say it.
- 1:42Speaker 3: Sounds good. Talking point. Medicare for all. And, you know,
- 1:45Speaker 3: everyone's going to be taken care of. Well, here's the problem,
- 1:49Speaker 3: and here's why I wrote the letter. I mean, there
- 1:51Speaker 3: was an article in the Wall Street Journal from Alyssa Finley,
- 1:55Speaker 3: and she talked about the gaps between what people like
- 2:00Speaker 3: Al Saeed are touting and the reality. And if you
- 2:02Speaker 3: look around the world where these programs have existed— Like Brad's.
- 2:06Speaker 3: They've gone into failure, right? And this is what people
- 2:09Speaker 3: keep touting. And it's unbelievable. And this man, El-Said in particular,
- 2:13Speaker 3: is of interest to me because he is a physician
- 2:17Speaker 3: but never practiced. And when you look at our physician shortage,
- 2:21Speaker 3: I want to tell America, you only have so many
- 2:23Speaker 3: slots in medical school. Get people that are going to
- 2:26Speaker 3: take care of people. That's an important component. And that's
- 2:31Speaker 3: another part of what I wrote about here. is who's
- 2:34Speaker 3: going to take care of people when you do this?
- 2:36Speaker 3: You've already had the situation for a couple decades where
- 2:40Speaker 3: Medicaid pays the least. It's hard to get things done.
- 2:46Speaker 3: And so doctors start limiting how much Medicaid they see.
- 2:49Speaker 1: There is no obligation for a physician to take Medicaid.
- 2:54Speaker 1: They don't have to accept Medicaid-paying patients.
- 2:57Speaker 3: Right.
- 2:58Speaker 1: But they want to. Same thing with Medicare. Now, most
- 3:00Speaker 1: of them still accept Medicare, but you're going to explain
- 3:02Speaker 1: this direction it's going in. But the point being, there's
- 3:05Speaker 1: a choice among physicians in the world whether or not
- 3:07Speaker 1: they're going to participate in these programs.
- 3:09Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 3:10Speaker 3: And, you know, why are they obligated to a very
- 3:14Speaker 3: difficult lifestyle when all they really want to do is
- 3:17Speaker 3: take care of patients, right? And you have to go
- 3:19Speaker 3: through so much. And in those government programs and in
- 3:24Speaker 3: the private sector of insurance, It's difficult because you have
- 3:27Speaker 3: prior authorization. You have all this bureaucracy, all this paperwork.
- 3:31Speaker 3: And for what? You have your staff working on a
- 3:35Speaker 3: lot of paperwork that results in very little pay and denials.
- 3:41Speaker 3: And you have to go through it again. I mean,
- 3:42Speaker 3: I know a doc, a rural area. He said, I
- 3:45Speaker 3: don't take any of it, but I'm not going to
- 3:47Speaker 3: charge you much. And it's just me and my wife.
- 3:50Speaker 3: And he does okay. He's got a lifestyle he's comfortable with.
- 3:53Speaker 3: But these guys are talking about Medicare for all. And
- 3:57Speaker 3: that means everyone is now in that category that has
- 4:00Speaker 3: been difficult to manage financially for a doctor in their office.
- 4:05Speaker 1: So if we stay on the current system as it
- 4:08Speaker 1: currently exists, not the structure of it, but with physicians
- 4:11Speaker 1: either agreeing to or not taking Medicare or Medicaid, either one,
- 4:17Speaker 1: and they don't take it. So Medicare for everyone means
- 4:21Speaker 1: like five doctors for everyone, or you force doctors to
- 4:24Speaker 1: accept whatever payment you're going to pay them under that structure.
- 4:27Speaker 1: And then you get people who will never, ever even
- 4:30Speaker 1: consider the practice of medicine as a profession.
- 4:32Speaker 3: That's the other problem, right? And you see today, I mean,
- 4:35Speaker 3: so many doctors today from my age group, you know,
- 4:38Speaker 3: we're telling their kids, don't go into medicine.
- 4:41Speaker 2: It's just, it's just not worth it. You can do
- 4:43Speaker 2: so much more. Think about this.
- 4:45Speaker 3: When you graduate from college and your friends go out
- 4:47Speaker 3: and start making money and you go another four years
- 4:51Speaker 3: and then you do a residency from three to five
- 4:53Speaker 3: years and then you may do a fellowship, they're all
- 4:56Speaker 3: out there making money. That's a decade's worth of burdens.
- 4:58Speaker 3: And building their life and their family. And you are
- 5:01Speaker 3: still under these burdens. And then you get out and
- 5:04Speaker 3: people are telling you, you get paid too much. I'll
- 5:07Speaker 3: never forget my health staffer in my office talking to
- 5:10Speaker 3: Pelosi's staffer. He said, the problem is doctors make too much.
- 5:13Speaker 2: And they believe that.
- 5:14Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 5:15Speaker 2: And they believe that. And, you know, what is fair?
- 5:19Speaker 3: And they don't make as much as Silicon Valley and
- 5:21Speaker 3: everything else, that's for sure. But the idea is you
- 5:24Speaker 3: want to go out and take care of people, but
- 5:26Speaker 3: they make it more and more difficult every day.
- 5:29Speaker 1: Let me just draw real quick. You can correct me
- 5:32Speaker 1: or disagree with me if you think I'm wrong, but
- 5:34Speaker 1: it's a reverse professional sports analogy. You're out of the
- 5:39Speaker 1: game as a physician for the first, let's say, decade.
- 5:43Speaker 1: You're in school, you're doing your residency, you establish a practice,
- 5:45Speaker 1: so you're never making big money early on while everybody
- 5:49Speaker 1: else has gone off and has begun their life and
- 5:51Speaker 1: started building the resume, increasing their salary and earnings over time,
- 5:54Speaker 1: which is typically the case. The converse is true with
- 5:57Speaker 1: professional sports. You only have a finite number of years
- 6:00Speaker 1: before the knees give out. And then you're done 35,
- 6:03Speaker 1: maybe 40, if you're lucky and you got the rest
- 6:05Speaker 1: of your life, maybe 40 more years or more to
- 6:08Speaker 1: have to cover the nut based upon the salary you
- 6:10Speaker 1: earned earlier. That's why they pay you a lot earlier.
- 6:12Speaker 1: You don't got a number of years to do it.
- 6:14Speaker 1: I understand, but I keep going back to see that's
- 6:18Speaker 1: the ruining the practice of medicine by virtue of government control.
- 6:22Speaker 1: There's one, let's just say broad brush. No more doctors
- 6:25Speaker 1: are going to bother going to med school, but The payment,
- 6:29Speaker 1: the cost of it, even if you could avoid that
- 6:32Speaker 1: reality unfolding, the whole Atlas Shrug concept, we can't afford it.
- 6:38Speaker 2: We can't afford it.
- 6:39Speaker 1: There aren't enough dollars.
- 6:40Speaker 3: And my big question is, who will be left to
- 6:43Speaker 3: treat you? Because right now in practice, really, you're kept
- 6:49Speaker 3: afloat by private insurance. And it's not that there's not
- 6:53Speaker 3: hassles there.
- 6:53Speaker 1: There are.
- 6:54Speaker 3: But you're kept afloat by private insurance, which make up
- 6:57Speaker 3: that gap. from the losses you take when you see
- 7:00Speaker 3: Medicaid and Medicare patients. And that keeps you afloat. But
- 7:04Speaker 3: you still want to see them, and that's good. But
- 7:06Speaker 3: you reach a point where we're going to have to
- 7:09Speaker 3: close our doors if we take too many of the
- 7:12Speaker 3: patients in these categories because it doesn't bring in enough revenue.
- 7:17Speaker 3: And that's just business. What do you do, right? And
- 7:20Speaker 3: so they take for granted, and this is what's always
- 7:23Speaker 3: aggravated me, they just always take for granted that the
- 7:26Speaker 3: doctors will be there. And it's really frustrating, of course,
- 7:31Speaker 3: for the physician who says, we're your product. You have
- 7:34Speaker 3: nothing without us.
- 7:35Speaker 1: Right.
- 7:36Speaker 3: And so that's the risk we take when we talk
- 7:38Speaker 3: about Medicare for all. You will have nothing without them
- 7:41Speaker 3: because doctors are to say, can't do it anymore. That's.
- 7:48Speaker 2: Well, I got your tongue.
- 7:52Speaker 1: You know why it's got my tongue? Brad, it's because
- 7:56Speaker 1: it is so. Obvious. It's like this embrace of socialism
- 8:03Speaker 1: slash communism here in America. You people don't understand what's
- 8:06Speaker 1: going on outside of the four inches around your head.
- 8:09Speaker 1: You're not looking at the deteriorating conditions in Europe, which
- 8:12Speaker 1: have literally done every damn thing you want from American government.
- 8:17Speaker 1: And it's made them... a financial nightmare. Look at, we're
- 8:21Speaker 1: already a financial nightmare. We don't have some of the
- 8:23Speaker 1: stuff that they're trying to push like Medicare for all
- 8:25Speaker 1: socialized medicine. It's going to be grand and glorious. And
- 8:28Speaker 1: then you talk to somebody who's lived on. It was like,
- 8:30Speaker 1: you know what? I can't even get to see a doctor.
- 8:32Speaker 1: I can't find one.
- 8:32Speaker 2: That's right. And that's been out there. That's been known
- 8:35Speaker 2: for a long time.
- 8:36Speaker 3: People coming from Canada to go to the Mayo clinic
- 8:39Speaker 3: and Cleveland clinic and things like that because they can't
- 8:42Speaker 3: get what they need.
- 8:44Speaker 2: And Ronald Reagan even talked about it. He talked about it.
- 8:46Speaker 2: And how long ago was he in office? 45 years ago.
- 8:50Speaker 3: And he, he, he did a thing like, this is,
- 8:53Speaker 3: this is not going to work if we keep doing this.
- 8:57Speaker 2: Who's your doctor?
- 8:57Speaker 3: And he talked about a woman from Great Britain saying, oh,
- 9:02Speaker 3: I got tremendous care from some skin condition, whatever. And
- 9:06Speaker 3: it was like, how long did it take before you
- 9:07Speaker 3: saw a doctor? Well, it took about four years, but
- 9:11Speaker 3: I finally got there. And it's like, do we want that?
- 9:14Speaker 1: All I needed was this prescription salve that he ordered.
- 9:17Speaker 2: Well, it was a little more involved.
- 9:19Speaker 1: I know, but see, you know, I mean, that can happen.
- 9:22Speaker 1: You can't get into a doctor, and the only thing
- 9:24Speaker 1: you really need is a prescription that's maybe even generic.
- 9:28Speaker 1: It wouldn't cost you any money under socialized medicine, but
- 9:30Speaker 1: not a whole lot to fix it. But you had
- 9:32Speaker 1: to wait for it. You know, a good thing for her,
- 9:35Speaker 1: it wasn't a cancer diagnosis. It had metastasized while she
- 9:38Speaker 1: was waiting to get in to see a physician.
- 9:40Speaker 3: Well, and this is really a grave concern because... in
- 9:43Speaker 3: theory and in practice, many of us, you know, especially
- 9:48Speaker 3: in D.C., and I'm still involved with some health care
- 9:50Speaker 3: stuff in D.C., how do we get to early diagnosis,
- 9:53Speaker 3: early treatment? There's a huge return on investment there, Brian.
- 9:57Speaker 1: Massive.
- 9:58Speaker 2: Massive.
- 9:58Speaker 3: You know, you you see something you nip it in
- 10:01Speaker 3: the bud you make someone better they keep going to
- 10:04Speaker 3: work they still have their life.
- 10:06Speaker 1: Yep you know we could all engage in preventative medicine
- 10:09Speaker 1: if we took better focus on our diet look around
- 10:13Speaker 1: look i mean period It's within our own power to
- 10:16Speaker 1: solve a vast majority of the problems that we face
- 10:19Speaker 1: in terms of medical care. More with 55KRC, the talk station. 721,
- 10:26Speaker 1: coming up at 722, 55KRC, the talk station. Friday, and
- 10:30Speaker 1: a happy one to you. Citizen Brad Wenster, former congressman,
- 10:33Speaker 1: still doctor, and still very, very involved in matters of
- 10:37Speaker 1: government on his committees and his consultation jobs, but I
- 10:40Speaker 1: want to pivot over because you serve your country proudly.
- 10:43Speaker 1: You're a veteran, and I appreciate your service. I want
- 10:46Speaker 1: to ask you about the situation, Russia and Ukraine, before
- 10:48Speaker 1: we get to the Middle East, to the extent we
- 10:50Speaker 1: dive into that this morning. I get the sense that,
- 10:52Speaker 1: and I think this is a reasonable presumption, or at least,
- 10:56Speaker 1: you know, looking at the facts, Donald Trump seems like
- 11:00Speaker 1: he wants to normalize relations with Russia. I mean, that's
- 11:05Speaker 1: kind of like the ultimate goal on this. He's not
- 11:08Speaker 1: harsh and overly critical of Russia, and They're in the
- 11:11Speaker 1: middle of this conflict with Ukraine, and you can go
- 11:13Speaker 1: through the reasons why they got in there, and I
- 11:15Speaker 1: understand them. But moving Russia away from their connection with
- 11:21Speaker 1: China and the other evil forces in the world, I
- 11:24Speaker 1: think they probably just want a regular economy and an
- 11:27Speaker 1: ability to participate with the rest of the world. And
- 11:29Speaker 1: they're not the former Soviet Union. They're sort of like
- 11:32Speaker 1: corrupt people. criminal enterprise, more like the mafia system of
- 11:39Speaker 1: government in Russia. I mean, your characterization. Go ahead, Brad.
- 11:43Speaker 3: Look, Putin said years ago when the Berlin Wall fell
- 11:48Speaker 3: and they released all those other countries to be their
- 11:51Speaker 3: own country again, he said that was the biggest geopolitical
- 11:54Speaker 3: mistake we could have made.
- 11:56Speaker 2: I mean, he wants that back. He's always wanted that back.
- 11:58Speaker 1: Right.
- 11:59Speaker 3: And, you know, he doesn't like the NATO creep, of course, because.
- 12:03Speaker 2: Some of those.
- 12:04Speaker 3: Countries are now in NATO, and that bothers him, and
- 12:09Speaker 3: he's who he is, powerful and wants more power.
- 12:14Speaker 1: And you think he's living in the past like so
- 12:15Speaker 1: many people that still think the Cold War is going on?
- 12:18Speaker 3: Yes, and he wants the old Soviet Union, and he
- 12:21Speaker 3: wants that type of control. So you've got that, and
- 12:23Speaker 3: that's what we know about him. But he has managed
- 12:26Speaker 3: a way to stay in power regardless of whatever their
- 12:29Speaker 3: election rules are. It's always going to be Putin as
- 12:32Speaker 3: long as he's alive, seemingly. So that's a problem. Now
- 12:37Speaker 3: think about how this happened. He wants the institutional creep
- 12:42Speaker 3: of Russian control over other areas, other countries.
- 12:47Speaker 2: He's got Belarus.
- 12:48Speaker 3: They're bought in with him. Their leadership is pro-Russian.
- 12:52Speaker 2: Pro-Russian.
- 12:54Speaker 3: But it was under the Obama administration that he marched
- 12:58Speaker 3: into Crimea, which is a valuable piece of Ukraine. You know,
- 13:03Speaker 3: it's on the water. It's got a lot going for it.
- 13:05Speaker 3: And he just marched into there under Obama. Nothing happened.
- 13:09Speaker 3: What Obama did to try and say he's helping Ukraine
- 13:13Speaker 3: is he provided them with MREs, meals ready to eat,
- 13:16Speaker 3: and blankets. Then along comes Donald Trump. Donald Trump starts
- 13:21Speaker 3: giving them weapons. You know, he had that first term.
- 13:24Speaker 3: He's given javelins and stingers and this and that. Did
- 13:27Speaker 3: Russia move any more under that first administration? No, they
- 13:32Speaker 3: did not. No, they did not. Then along comes Joe Biden.
- 13:37Speaker 3: And Joe Biden says, well, a little excursion into.
- 13:41Speaker 2: Ukraine is fine with me. And like, really? You've come
- 13:46Speaker 2: out and said that. And so.
- 13:50Speaker 3: The time was right. You know, he saw how we
- 13:52Speaker 3: left Afghanistan, this and that. He's like, time to go,
- 13:55Speaker 3: move on in. I don't think he knew that the
- 13:57Speaker 3: Ukrainians were pretty much ready to take them on for
- 14:00Speaker 3: a long, long time in spite of many losses. And
- 14:04Speaker 3: you would think that Russia would be able to overpower Ukraine,
- 14:07Speaker 3: but they haven't been able to. So now we've got
- 14:09Speaker 3: this real mess and now Donald Trump's back in.
- 14:13Speaker 2: Right.
- 14:13Speaker 3: You know, and he keeps inheriting these things that people
- 14:16Speaker 3: need to remember that This was under the Obama administration
- 14:20Speaker 3: and the Biden administration that the real activity took place.
- 14:24Speaker 3: And now he's in a position where, you know, he
- 14:28Speaker 3: wants peace. You saw the Abraham Accords.
- 14:31Speaker 2: In the Middle East.
- 14:31Speaker 1: I know.
- 14:32Speaker 2: Things that happened.
- 14:33Speaker 3: He can tout several peace agreements that he's brokered. He
- 14:37Speaker 3: wants peace in this world.
- 14:38Speaker 1: Well, you know, you say that, and I know in
- 14:41Speaker 1: my heart of hearts he really does, but then there
- 14:42Speaker 1: are people screaming at the radio, why in the hell
- 14:44Speaker 1: did he bomb the Iranians in that initial campaign? Why
- 14:47Speaker 1: are we involved in another what appears to be forever
- 14:49Speaker 1: war in the Middle East, which unleashed this terrible gas
- 14:52Speaker 1: crisis and all the problems that are associated with the
- 14:54Speaker 1: Strait of Hormuz? I mean, you know, you can't have
- 14:57Speaker 1: it both ways. But at least insofar as what I
- 15:00Speaker 1: perceive with Russia, and he's getting a lot of criticism
- 15:03Speaker 1: for it, he's trying to play at least somewhat fair
- 15:07Speaker 1: I mean, do you see that at all in his
- 15:09Speaker 1: actions and in his efforts with Russia?
- 15:12Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, let me just say there's always so
- 15:15Speaker 3: much more going on in those talks than you will
- 15:17Speaker 3: ever know. And there's so many pieces of the puzzle
- 15:21Speaker 3: that it's hard to come out smelling like a rose, right?
- 15:25Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sympathetic to Vladimir Putin. I know
- 15:27Speaker 1: he's a murderer. I know he's a criminal.
- 15:29Speaker 2: I get all that.
- 15:30Speaker 1: But you know what? We deal with murderous criminals all
- 15:33Speaker 1: across the globe. Sadly, these people always end up in
- 15:36Speaker 1: power some way. We can't change that dynamic, but do
- 15:40Speaker 1: we need to go to war with it? Do they
- 15:41Speaker 1: really represent a true threat to our friends and allies
- 15:45Speaker 1: that remain in the European Union, even though they're incapable
- 15:49Speaker 1: of conquering one little, tiny, non-NATO country we call Ukraine?
- 15:54Speaker 1: It's been five years, Brad. What kind of threat can
- 15:57Speaker 1: they possibly present to the U.K.? Well, they have nuclear weapons. Ah,
- 16:03Speaker 1: but let's pause on that. No, because apparently no one
- 16:06Speaker 1: who has them will use them. And everybody says, no,
- 16:09Speaker 1: the Iranians will if they get them. I kind of
- 16:11Speaker 1: wonder out loud about that, too. Let's get more with Brad. Yeah.
- 16:14Speaker 2: A lot of questions.
- 16:14Speaker 1: A lot, and probably will remain. It's 7.32. You're watching
- 16:20Speaker 1: the Talk Station. Brian Thomas with Citizen Brad Wenstrup in
- 16:23Speaker 1: the studio, former congressman. proudly served his country, and he
- 16:27Speaker 1: is a physician, and he's still actively involved in matters political,
- 16:30Speaker 1: having just come back from D.C., continuing this discussion about
- 16:34Speaker 1: the wars. The nuclear weapon thing is a question mark
- 16:39Speaker 1: to me, swirling, because mutually assured destruction has kept the
- 16:43Speaker 1: world from seeing another nuclear, at least retaliatory or offensively.
- 16:48Speaker 1: I don't think, with the exception of World War II
- 16:50Speaker 1: and us, no one has ever used, as a first-strike matter,
- 16:54Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon.
- 16:55Speaker 3: Right.
- 16:57Speaker 1: Now, one could argue that it was retaliatory at World
- 17:00Speaker 1: War II because we've been getting the crap bombed out
- 17:02Speaker 1: of us by the Japanese for several years up to
- 17:05Speaker 1: that point. But you get the idea. So the world
- 17:08Speaker 1: has sort of recognized the devastating genocidal reality of nuclear weapons.
- 17:14Speaker 1: Nobody wants to be the first one to use it
- 17:15Speaker 1: because they're, of course, going to be on the receiving
- 17:18Speaker 1: end of the retaliatory nuclear strikes. Nuclear one or whatever
- 17:21Speaker 1: bad would happen to that. Folks say, though, that the
- 17:24Speaker 1: Iranians will absolutely use it if they get one. Now,
- 17:27Speaker 1: I don't want them to get one, hell no, but
- 17:29Speaker 1: obviously it's a little bit of a challenge to try
- 17:31Speaker 1: to blow up these facilities that are presumably making them
- 17:35Speaker 1: or working toward it when they're underground so far. We tried,
- 17:38Speaker 1: and by all accounts, maybe we did a lot of damage,
- 17:41Speaker 1: but everyone keeps saying that nuclear material is still there
- 17:43Speaker 1: and nobody knows what's left of the facilities and their
- 17:45Speaker 1: manufacturing capabilities. So where does this leave us, Brad?
- 17:48Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't have any doubt in my
- 17:49Speaker 3: mind that they will try to reconstitute anything that was destroyed.
- 17:53Speaker 1: Sure.
- 17:54Speaker 3: And maybe some of it wasn't destroyed. This is where
- 17:57Speaker 3: they are. But they are fixated on it, Brian. I mean,
- 17:59Speaker 3: it's not just like, hey, should we consider trying to
- 18:02Speaker 3: get nukes? No, they are totally fixated.
- 18:04Speaker 1: Well, like North Korea was for so long. And by
- 18:07Speaker 1: all accounts, guess what? They've got one now.
- 18:09Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 18:09Speaker 1: And I haven't seen the little evil dictator dropping bombs yet.
- 18:15Speaker 1: Not that it won't happen in the future, but it
- 18:16Speaker 1: does provide them with. And this is what I think
- 18:19Speaker 1: every country in the world wants.
- 18:21Speaker 2: The.
- 18:22Speaker 1: Sort of protection that having a nuclear device gives them
- 18:25Speaker 1: from having bombs getting dropped on them. It's a frightening reality.
- 18:29Speaker 1: If that seems to be the only thing, you know,
- 18:31Speaker 1: we don't go launching drone strikes on Russian, evil Russian
- 18:36Speaker 1: people that we know happen to be harmful actors, right?
- 18:39Speaker 1: We don't blow up the Chinese people who are spying
- 18:41Speaker 1: on us or maybe otherwise involved in some criminal activity.
- 18:45Speaker 3: No, but those people aren't jihadists. That's one of the differences.
- 18:49Speaker 3: You know, it was a suicide bomber when we left Afghanistan.
- 18:54Speaker 3: It's part of that culture that it's okay to die
- 18:57Speaker 3: because you're going right to heaven.
- 18:58Speaker 2: You're getting all your delights. That's what they believe. If
- 19:01Speaker 2: you are in the process of killing the infidels. And
- 19:06Speaker 2: who are they?
- 19:07Speaker 3: Americans, Jews, really pretty much everybody else. And so that's
- 19:12Speaker 3: where they are. That's their mindset. You know, we see
- 19:15Speaker 3: in our country this indoctrination thing. It's taken place in
- 19:18Speaker 3: our education system of Marxism. And now you see the
- 19:21Speaker 3: results of it. You know, you see it on the streets.
- 19:24Speaker 3: You're seeing it in elections. You know, this is what
- 19:26Speaker 3: they've done there. And they've done it with an iron fist, too,
- 19:29Speaker 3: because either you're in or we'll gun you down in
- 19:32Speaker 3: the streets. You know, that's the mentality that they have.
- 19:36Speaker 3: I don't think they are sitting around thinking about the
- 19:40Speaker 3: future of the world.
- 19:41Speaker 2: They have to deal.
- 19:42Speaker 3: With economics because that's the only way they can carry
- 19:44Speaker 3: out their mission. And this is certainly what the IRGC
- 19:48Speaker 3: is about. So you have in Iran the components that
- 19:51Speaker 3: maybe come and negotiate, and maybe they're considered the political leaders,
- 19:55Speaker 3: but the IRGC.
- 19:56Speaker 2: Is in charge. You can see that.
- 19:57Speaker 1: Well, clearly that.
- 19:59Speaker 3: And they are all bought in, and killing other people
- 20:02Speaker 3: does not matter to them. So that's the world we're
- 20:05Speaker 3: living in today. So How do we go about thwarting that?
- 20:09Speaker 3: This is different than World War II or anything else
- 20:12Speaker 3: like that. But even the Japanese, they had their kamikazes.
- 20:16Speaker 3: They were willing to go that route. And when you
- 20:19Speaker 3: have an enemy like that, it's a really difficult thing
- 20:22Speaker 3: to manage. So if they do get nukes, they may
- 20:25Speaker 3: be the first since the United States to go out
- 20:29Speaker 3: and use them and say, we need to do this
- 20:31Speaker 3: because these people are just horrible in the world and
- 20:35Speaker 3: we have this religious fervor Behind us. And with that,
- 20:39Speaker 3: that comes a lot of work ideas.
- 20:42Speaker 1: And let us assume, for the sake of discussion, you're 100% accurate.
- 20:45Speaker 1: And all the people who say Iran, if they get
- 20:48Speaker 1: a nuke, will absolutely use it. We're still left with
- 20:51Speaker 1: the burning problem. How do you prevent them from doing it?
- 20:55Speaker 1: Are we going to have to launch an all-out kinetic war?
- 20:57Speaker 1: Are we going to have to have boots on the ground?
- 20:59Speaker 1: Places two and a half times the size of Texas.
- 21:02Speaker 3: Well, Brian, if you consider, and look, Donald Trump has said,
- 21:07Speaker 3: no nukes. And that's really been the mantra, although the
- 21:10Speaker 3: Obama administration took a different route with that and Biden
- 21:13Speaker 3: really didn't do anything. He's saying they cannot get a
- 21:16Speaker 3: nuclear weapon. OK, he feels that strongly. He's made that
- 21:20Speaker 3: very clear. If they were a month or two close
- 21:26Speaker 3: to having it. That's when Israel and the United States
- 21:31Speaker 3: went to work.
- 21:33Speaker 2: Because Israel.
- 21:34Speaker 3: Because it's going to pause it. It's going to set
- 21:36Speaker 3: them back. And it clearly has.
- 21:38Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, there's no question in my mind that it
- 21:40Speaker 1: set them back. And their economy is in a state
- 21:42Speaker 1: of shambles. They're already out of all the oil they
- 21:44Speaker 1: had in reserves. They have nothing else to sell. And
- 21:49Speaker 1: I guess it's a question of this battle of attrition
- 21:51Speaker 1: we're currently in now, which I would argue is better
- 21:53Speaker 1: than at boots on the ground fighting war with those
- 21:55Speaker 1: crazy people.
- 21:55Speaker 3: Right. Right.
- 21:56Speaker 2: We don't want that.
- 21:57Speaker 1: We're going to have to deal with the economic realities
- 21:59Speaker 1: of the battle of attrition. and wait that out and
- 22:02Speaker 1: see if it ultimately collapses the Iranian economy.
- 22:04Speaker 2: And if we get intelligence that they're getting close again?
- 22:08Speaker 1: That's when the bombs start dropping again, yes.
- 22:10Speaker 3: And it seems like we have pretty good intelligence because
- 22:13Speaker 3: I'll tell you, the attacks that we rendered in that
- 22:16Speaker 3: summer were pretty surgical.
- 22:18Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 22:18Speaker 1: It's just I don't think it really quite brought about
- 22:20Speaker 1: the result that Trump and Netanyahu were looking for when
- 22:23Speaker 1: they decapitated the Iranian regime. It's like, well, there's a
- 22:26Speaker 1: whole bunch of people that are more than willing to
- 22:27Speaker 1: fill those positions in the aftermath of that. Don't go away.
- 22:30Speaker 1: More with Citizen Brad Wenstrup. I'm really enjoying this. I
- 22:33Speaker 1: hope the listening audience is as well. Trying to figure
- 22:36Speaker 1: out the world. Dispense with traffic and weather for the
- 22:38Speaker 1: purpose of getting more from former Congressman Brad Wenstrup. We
- 22:43Speaker 1: learned something during COVID, Congressman Wenstrup, former Congressman Wenstrup, and
- 22:45Speaker 1: you are a doctor and you are still involved with
- 22:48Speaker 1: medical elements involved in government and decision making. We figured
- 22:51Speaker 1: out during COVID, although we knew it, just didn't pay
- 22:54Speaker 1: any attention to it. I think I can say almost
- 22:57Speaker 1: without any hesitation that virtually all Pharmaceutical manufacturing left the
- 23:02Speaker 1: United States of America for foreign clients, most notably China.
- 23:05Speaker 1: China took over manufacturing of pharmaceuticals.
- 23:08Speaker 2: Of generics.
- 23:09Speaker 1: Generics.
- 23:09Speaker 2: Yeah, of generics primarily. And they did it very, I.
- 23:14Speaker 3: Want to say stealth, but it really wasn't stealth. We
- 23:17Speaker 3: just let it happen. We turned everything over to them.
- 23:20Speaker 3: But they started in 1950. In the 1950s, they started
- 23:25Speaker 3: talking about, let's take over the pharmaceutical world.
- 23:28Speaker 2: How do we do that?
- 23:29Speaker 3: They were able to have the things that we need
- 23:32Speaker 3: to make medicines and they can do it cheaply. You know,
- 23:35Speaker 3: we talk about them having slave labor and this and that.
- 23:38Speaker 3: We might want to say to ourselves, I'll pay another
- 23:41Speaker 3: dollar more for my prescription to keep it domestic so
- 23:45Speaker 3: that China doesn't.
- 23:46Speaker 2: Use slave labor.
- 23:47Speaker 3: You know, we used to talk about things like that more.
- 23:49Speaker 3: It was high on the radar that this is terrible.
- 23:53Speaker 3: You know, they use slave labor and children or whatever.
- 23:56Speaker 2: But they've done this now. Very calculated.
- 24:00Speaker 3: So one of the things I'm working on in a
- 24:02Speaker 3: lot of regions is trying to bring our medicines back home.
- 24:05Speaker 2: So what does that involve? First of all, China's at war.
- 24:09Speaker 3: We have to realize we need to respond to them
- 24:12Speaker 3: being at war.
- 24:13Speaker 2: If you cut off our medicines.
- 24:16Speaker 3: We got people dying within months.
- 24:19Speaker 1: Or if they hack into our grid of any form,
- 24:21Speaker 1: that's going to kill people as well. I mean, that
- 24:23Speaker 1: could be more devastating than a nuclear bomb if you
- 24:25Speaker 1: cut off the electricity grid by hacking.
- 24:27Speaker 3: Cyber is another component of their war with us. So
- 24:34Speaker 3: we have groups now that scientists, I'm working with one group,
- 24:38Speaker 3: MIT people, that they're down in Georgia, a company that's
- 24:42Speaker 3: called Manus. They can make the key starting materials for
- 24:46Speaker 3: 50-some medications.
- 24:49Speaker 2: You have to start with what's called the KSMs.
- 24:51Speaker 3: Then you make the active pharmaceutical ingredient from that, the API.
- 24:56Speaker 3: They can do this synthetically in the lab from corn.
- 24:59Speaker 3: That's a win-win for the United States, a win-win for
- 25:02Speaker 3: the Midwest, that's for sure.
- 25:04Speaker 1: Better than putting it in my gas tank. Exactly.
- 25:07Speaker 3: So you can take corn and create these things and
- 25:11Speaker 3: make the products here. working with some people in the
- 25:15Speaker 3: pharmaceutical industry where they say, you know, we have extra
- 25:19Speaker 3: lab space. So if we can get this, let's do
- 25:22Speaker 3: this here. And we'll start to make more of these
- 25:25Speaker 3: generic medicines here and secure ourselves more so than what
- 25:28Speaker 3: we're in the process of now. But they've always been cheaper, right?
- 25:32Speaker 3: And that's why everyone went that way. So this is
- 25:35Speaker 3: something that they've been doing for long. The AI race
- 25:38Speaker 3: is real. And what I know of things, when you
- 25:43Speaker 3: talk about the data centers, that is the AI race.
- 25:47Speaker 2: This is the race to the moon. This is even
- 25:49Speaker 2: more than the race to the moon.
- 25:51Speaker 1: Much so.
- 25:51Speaker 3: Because this is very, very important in so many ways
- 25:56Speaker 3: for our expertise, our knowledge, all of these things. So
- 26:00Speaker 3: you have these data centers popping up, and then all
- 26:03Speaker 3: of a sudden you have people saying, we have to
- 26:05Speaker 3: take them down. Where is that influence coming from?
- 26:08Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party.
- 26:10Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was in an event with Secretary Kennedy
- 26:13Speaker 3: in Cleveland about three months ago.
- 26:15Speaker 2: I moderated.
- 26:15Speaker 3: I asked him questions. This is all in health. And
- 26:18Speaker 3: then we let the audience ask questions. And a woman
- 26:20Speaker 3: stood up and she was very livid. She said, you
- 26:25Speaker 3: need to shut these down. They're causing asthma in children.
- 26:29Speaker 1: Oh, here we go.
- 26:30Speaker 3: And.
- 26:30Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, why have I not heard this?
- 26:33Speaker 1: Because she pulled it out of her sphincter in terms
- 26:35Speaker 1: of an argument.
- 26:36Speaker 2: Well, or somebody planted it in her head.
- 26:39Speaker 1: Same concept.
- 26:40Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 26:42Speaker 1: At least one is a false but original thought. The
- 26:46Speaker 1: other one is generated by some idiot in China who's
- 26:48Speaker 1: trying to influence people to go out and protest something
- 26:51Speaker 1: that we already have and is not going away and
- 26:53Speaker 1: that we must dominate or destroy. we give up the
- 26:56Speaker 1: control of the future to a foreign country that is
- 26:58Speaker 1: hostile to us.
- 26:59Speaker 3: And we know social media is infiltrated with foreign influence.
- 27:03Speaker 3: So Secretary Kennedy, I see him kind of baffled by that.
- 27:06Speaker 3: But he says, hey, if this was a problem, I
- 27:08Speaker 3: am certainly interested in it, and we would want to
- 27:11Speaker 3: rectify that. But I haven't heard that. So the next day,
- 27:14Speaker 3: I'm doing a search, right? Where is this coming from?
- 27:17Speaker 3: And I find one article, and it's from a group that,
- 27:23Speaker 3: poses themselves as health equity, social justice. And I'm reading
- 27:28Speaker 3: this article that's saying that it's causing asthma, but there's
- 27:32Speaker 3: no data there.
- 27:33Speaker 1: Of course not.
- 27:34Speaker 2: There's no data.
- 27:36Speaker 1: No footnote, no reference citation, no learned medical treatise, nothing.
- 27:41Speaker 2: Well, here's what they say.
- 27:42Speaker 3: Well, they're going to use so much energy, we're obviously
- 27:45Speaker 3: going to burn more fossil fuels, and that's.
- 27:48Speaker 2: Going to happen. Heck, that energy can come in 50
- 27:51Speaker 2: miles away from the data center.
- 27:52Speaker 3: God.
- 27:53Speaker 2: You know, what in the world? But this is what happens.
- 27:57Speaker 2: And it's growing.
- 27:57Speaker 3: And now, unfortunately, you see this in the election. People
- 28:01Speaker 3: are using it. You've seen the commercials. We didn't ask
- 28:04Speaker 3: for this data center. I don't know where that guy
- 28:07Speaker 3: lives who's in that commercial. That desk is in the
- 28:10Speaker 3: middle of nowhere, it looks like. And he's nowhere near there.
- 28:13Speaker 3: But we did ask for those data centers. We did
- 28:17Speaker 3: ask for them to come to Ohio.
- 28:18Speaker 1: The left hates anything that spoils the land unless it's
- 28:21Speaker 1: giant windmill farms and solar panel farms, which is equally
- 28:25Speaker 1: awful to look at and destroy the land as equally
- 28:27Speaker 1: as a smaller footprint. Let's say oil rig. That actually
- 28:31Speaker 1: does something for us.
- 28:33Speaker 2: But the jobs that come from this?
- 28:34Speaker 1: Data center construction jobs are amazing.
- 28:36Speaker 2: Oh, it's unbelievable.
- 28:37Speaker 3: And it's by the thousands. And then you couple that
- 28:41Speaker 3: with the people that will actually work there. And we're
- 28:43Speaker 3: winning this sort of arms race over China when we
- 28:47Speaker 3: do this.
- 28:47Speaker 1: Yeah, and solution to the problem, people know I'm going
- 28:50Speaker 1: to say it, there's no power generation problem. We just
- 28:53Speaker 1: let them bring their own small modular reactor.
- 28:55Speaker 2: And they're doing that too.
- 28:56Speaker 1: And they're doing that too. Another reason AI should be embraced,
- 28:59Speaker 1: because it will bring us the small modular reactors that
- 29:01Speaker 1: we have been denied through stupid people believing stupid things
- 29:06Speaker 1: about nuclear power generation. 748 coming up with 749. One
- 29:08Speaker 1: more with citizens. 752-55-KRCD Talk Station. Brian Thomas here with
- 29:14Speaker 1: citizen Brad Wenstrip. And elections coming up. You know that,
- 29:17Speaker 1: don't you? And I've got Vivek Ramaswamy coming up in
- 29:20Speaker 1: the next hour. Brad, he's going to be on after
- 29:22Speaker 1: Magistrate Susan Lucan, who's trying to run for juvenile court
- 29:25Speaker 1: judge and kick out Judge Bloom, who's been disastrous for
- 29:28Speaker 1: the county in terms of juvenile crime. Any thoughts on
- 29:32Speaker 1: the election as we get ready to part company today, Brad?
- 29:34Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never been good at predicting these things, and
- 29:37Speaker 3: the polls never seem to be right either.
- 29:38Speaker 1: They're getting worse.
- 29:39Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 29:40Speaker 2: They're far off.
- 29:41Speaker 1: Nobody's answering the phones anymore. Everybody sees a number that
- 29:44Speaker 1: they don't recognize. They know not to pick it up.
- 29:46Speaker 1: I mean, online polls are worthless because, you know, you
- 29:49Speaker 1: can't statistically sample online. So go ahead.
- 29:52Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens. You know, it's out there, but.
- 29:56Speaker 3: You know, it's really interesting within the Democrat Party because
- 30:00Speaker 3: I know some true old school Democrats that are like, oh,
- 30:04Speaker 3: my gosh, we're being burdened by this Democrat socialist thing.
- 30:08Speaker 3: And we'll see what happens. But I think some of
- 30:11Speaker 3: them that are running, you know, I think that the
- 30:13Speaker 3: party itself, the old school party, you know, feels like, well,
- 30:18Speaker 3: maybe we can bring them back into the fold, you know,
- 30:21Speaker 3: once they get elected. So, you know, we'll put up
- 30:23Speaker 3: with it. Let's get them elected. They're in there now
- 30:27Speaker 3: and they're in the race now.
- 30:28Speaker 2: So get them elected. See if we can change them.
- 30:30Speaker 2: But I'm telling you.
- 30:31Speaker 1: They'll get primary to the next one. The Democrats will
- 30:34Speaker 1: eat them alive and there'll be nothing left but socialists.
- 30:37Speaker 1: Nothing left but socialists.
- 30:38Speaker 2: Yep. And it's ingrained.
- 30:41Speaker 3: I mean, there are more and more facts coming out
- 30:46Speaker 3: about the indoctrination in colleges. You know, it doesn't matter
- 30:51Speaker 3: what the course is. They somehow find a way.
- 30:54Speaker 1: Oh, I know.
- 30:55Speaker 2: It could be calculus.
- 30:57Speaker 3: They find some way of bringing that into a socialist
- 31:01Speaker 3: society and educating people in that way, and they leave
- 31:04Speaker 3: college that way. You and I have friends whose children
- 31:09Speaker 3: have gone through it, and they come back from college,
- 31:13Speaker 3: and they're not the same person.
- 31:14Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, my son was smart enough to just quit.
- 31:19Speaker 2: There's that too.
- 31:19Speaker 1: He's smart enough to learn on his own.
- 31:21Speaker 2: And he knew that.
- 31:22Speaker 1: And that's why he said he quit. I don't need
- 31:23Speaker 1: to be in these stupid classes where I'm not really
- 31:25Speaker 1: learning anything. And you're making me take a bunch of
- 31:27Speaker 1: stupid things in order to get a degree that I
- 31:29Speaker 1: don't need to survive in life, you know, and bully
- 31:33Speaker 1: for him. And he had my daughter able to go
- 31:35Speaker 1: to Ohio state pretty much, you know, got a good
- 31:37Speaker 1: chunk of it during COVID. She wasn't struggling to deal
- 31:40Speaker 1: with all the woke professors screaming at her about leftism.
- 31:43Speaker 1: You know, it's like, here's the course material and, Yeah.
- 31:46Speaker 2: And how bad America is.
- 31:47Speaker 1: And how bad America is.
- 31:48Speaker 2: You know what? Look at our history in reality. We're
- 31:51Speaker 2: not a bad place.
- 31:52Speaker 3: Right.
- 31:52Speaker 1: And for all you DSA liners out there, the socialists,
- 31:56Speaker 1: people who want to grab those evil billionaires and take
- 31:58Speaker 1: their money from them, look at France. That's what they did.
- 32:02Speaker 1: They went down that road. They tried to deliver on
- 32:05Speaker 1: every promise that the Abdul El-Sayeds are running on in
- 32:08Speaker 1: this country, and it ruined them. California.
- 32:11Speaker 2: California.
- 32:13Speaker 1: Same type of thing. Let's tax the billionaires. Well, you know,
- 32:17Speaker 1: I open the show every morning. See you down in
- 32:20Speaker 1: Arizona Bay. Maybe that will come about someday as well.
- 32:24Speaker 1: And I'm kidding. I don't mean it seriously.