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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 9-15-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: On KALL North Salt Lake, ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 3: Com.
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  Speaker 4: Happy Tuesday, everybody.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show. Glad to have you
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  Speaker 5: with us once again. Here on Utah's number one sports talk,
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  Speaker 5: your home of the Utes. A 2-0 University of Utah
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  Speaker 5: football team getting ready for the Utah State Aggies this weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Three home games in a row to start the season
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  Speaker 5: before you get into Big 12 conference play and things
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  Speaker 5: get more and more interesting. Obviously, the Big 12 conference
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  Speaker 5: itself right now. is hard to figure out. I'm actually,
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  Speaker 5: I'm crafting a poll as we speak. If BYU football
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  Speaker 5: and Utah football are the top two teams in the
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  Speaker 5: big 12 right now, who would, who would you call
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  Speaker 5: the third best team?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's so simple as well.
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  Speaker 5: It's gotta be Texas tech because they started so high
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  Speaker 5: and they were the top ranked team. They haven't been
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  Speaker 5: overly impressive in my opinion. Cincinnati is 2-0. Colorado is 2-0.
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  Speaker 5: Houston is 2-0. Kansas State is 2-0. West Virginia is 2-0, right?
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  Speaker 5: The wheat has not yet separated itself from the chaff,
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  Speaker 5: so to speak. Houston has wins over Oregon State and Southern.
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  Speaker 5: Oregon State might be the best 0-2 team in the
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  Speaker 5: country right now. They've got some really interesting guys on
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  Speaker 5: their team. They obviously ran up against two really tough
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  Speaker 5: opponents in the first two weeks in Houston and in
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  Speaker 5: Texas tech, Texas techs got that went over Oregon state
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  Speaker 5: as well. They also beat Abilene Christian, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: the Molly whopping one would expect. Even though they're 2-0,
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  Speaker 5: are we questioning Texas Tech? If you go by the
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  Speaker 5: other numbers out there, Colorado's got more impressive win. They've
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  Speaker 5: got an ACC win, the blocked field goal in the
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  Speaker 5: Thursday night game, week one against Georgia Tech to finish
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  Speaker 5: 14-13 as victors.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really genuinely having a hard time just narrowing down
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  Speaker 5: the correct responses. Are we saying that Oklahoma State, even
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  Speaker 5: though they're 1-1... deserves to be in the conversation because
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  Speaker 5: of who they were able to beat. Knocking off Oregon
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  Speaker 5: is obviously by far the most impressive win of the
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  Speaker 5: conference slate so far this year, and that's even BYU
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  Speaker 5: over Arizona.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: And Arizona losing to BYU, is that a disqualifier from
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  Speaker 5: keeping them in the conversation? It's all going to come
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  Speaker 5: out in the wash, but I'm curious as we're trying
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  Speaker 5: to figure these teams out how we would handicap things.
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  Speaker 5: with not much sample size, not much to judge off
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  Speaker 5: of as of yet.
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  Speaker 4: Fascinating Monday night football game last night.
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  Speaker 5: For the last three or four years, we've had to
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  Speaker 5: ask the question, are the Chiefs still the Chiefs? And
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  Speaker 5: if last night is anything to judge off of, the
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  Speaker 5: Chiefs are very definitely the Chiefs, and the Chiefs, with
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  Speaker 5: Kenneth Walker III, are going to be problematic tonight. for
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  Speaker 5: a lot of teams in the AFC and in the
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  Speaker 5: NFL at large, the Broncos who are in the top
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  Speaker 5: 10 top, top eight odds for being this year's super
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  Speaker 5: bowl champion, kind of a darling pick for some insiders.
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  Speaker 4: The Broncos look terrible.
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  Speaker 5: Bo Nix 17 of 28, 131 yards, turn the ball over,
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  Speaker 5: fumbled the ball three times, only lost one of them
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  Speaker 5: through an interception.
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  Speaker 4: Got sacked four times.
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  Speaker 3: R.J.
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  Speaker 5: Harvey, who we watched in college because he was at UCF, R.J.
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  Speaker 5: Harvey can't block to save his life. It was a really,
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  Speaker 5: really disappointing performance if you are a Broncos fan, and
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  Speaker 5: I do not count myself among you, but I know
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  Speaker 5: we've got a ton of them here in the state
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  Speaker 5: of Utah, in Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 3: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 5: Tell me how you're feeling if you're a Broncos fan.
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  Speaker 5: Tell me how you're feeling if you're a Chiefs fan.
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  Speaker 5: Tell me who the third best team, BYU and Utah,
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  Speaker 5: we're assuming, we're taking as the top two teams in
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  Speaker 5: the conference right now. There's no reason for us to
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  Speaker 5: not have anything but nice things to say about BYU
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  Speaker 5: and Utah based on their performances so far. BYU with
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  Speaker 5: the more impressive victory. I think Utah with the incredibly
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  Speaker 5: impressive performance as we expected them to have against Arkansas.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't expect it to be that one-sided. I didn't
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  Speaker 5: expect it to be quite as dominant as it was.
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  Speaker 5: I was talking with one of the dads at drop-off,
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  Speaker 5: shout-out Greg, at elementary school this morning, and.
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  Speaker 4: Both of us were kind of shrugging.
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  Speaker 5: I still don't know, and that theme is going to
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  Speaker 5: continue for three or four weeks. I still don't know
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  Speaker 5: exactly what this team is, but the offensive line is
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  Speaker 5: performing really well. That's a good thing. That's an encouraging thing.
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  Speaker 5: The defensive line, the interior defensive line, showed us some
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  Speaker 5: things last week that I thought maybe we wouldn't get
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  Speaker 5: until week four or five with a relatively new group.
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  Speaker 4: And I told you yesterday some of the things that
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  Speaker 4: I was still kind of up in the air about.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know what we don't know.
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  Speaker 5: We don't know a lot, but we don't know exactly
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  Speaker 5: what it is that we're not sure of yet. And
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  Speaker 5: so I'm trying to get a litmus test two weeks in,
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  Speaker 5: four weeks in, six weeks in. By then, we should
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  Speaker 5: have some firm idea of what this team is. Morgan
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  Speaker 5: Scali tells us so. Kyle Whittingham, for years and years,
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  Speaker 5: used to tell us you needed at least four or
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  Speaker 5: five games before you know.
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  Speaker 4: And that goes for your Utes.
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  Speaker 5: That goes even more so for the rest of this
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  Speaker 5: conference that has a lot of things to figure out
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  Speaker 5: all up and down.
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  Speaker 4: So I think what I'm going to go with on
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  Speaker 4: the poll... is I'm going to go.
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  Speaker 5: With Texas Tech, Houston, Colorado, because of their win over
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  Speaker 5: Georgia Tech.
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  Speaker 4: Although, you know, Cincinnati beat Boston College.
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  Speaker 5: Is that more impressive? Let me take a look at
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  Speaker 5: the ACC standings here real quick. I think I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to go Texas Tech, Houston, Colorado, Georgia, And then I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to throw other with the assumption.
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  Speaker 4: That most of you are going to say it's Oklahoma
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  Speaker 4: State if it's not. You know what? Actually, I'm taking
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  Speaker 4: Colorado off.
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  Speaker 5: Because even though Oklahoma State is one and one, Oklahoma
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  Speaker 5: State's win over Oregon was the biggest statement we've had.
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  Speaker 5: So far in the Big 12 non-conference slate.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 5: The poll is now live at Real OC Sports on Twitter.
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  Speaker 6: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 5: I always want to hear from you on the text line.
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  Speaker 5: And again, you're not going to be held to this
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  Speaker 5: answer in any way. This is not a judgment on...
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  Speaker 5: who the best team in the conferences at the end
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  Speaker 5: of the season. This is right now based on the
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  Speaker 5: information we have, who is maybe the most impressive outside
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  Speaker 5: of BYU and Utah. And you can tell me probably
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  Speaker 5: a lot of you are more impressed with Utah than
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  Speaker 5: you are with BYU because you wear crimson colored goggles.
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  Speaker 5: And that's totally fine with me. I'm trying to be
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  Speaker 5: as objective as possible, trying to be as professional as
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  Speaker 5: possible about it. And I don't think that BYU has
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  Speaker 5: done anything to knock themselves off of, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 5: the top spot. I always thought, and you heard me
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  Speaker 5: in the off season saying that I expect more from
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  Speaker 5: BYU this year than I do from Texas tech and
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  Speaker 5: Texas tech is kind of confirming my beliefs about them.
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  Speaker 5: Even while winning BYU is confirming my beliefs about them
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  Speaker 5: while winning Utah is confirming my beliefs about Utah while
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  Speaker 5: they are winning. Oklahoma State, I did not have beliefs about,
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  Speaker 5: but after watching that Oregon game, I'm wondering if I
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  Speaker 5: need to start having some strong thoughts about Oklahoma State.
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  Speaker 4: Houston, same thing. Arizona, maybe.
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  Speaker 5: Arizona State, I was disappointed by Arizona State this past weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Arizona State, I'm a believer in Kenny Dillingham as a coach.
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  Speaker 5: I thought that Arizona State would account much better for
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  Speaker 5: themselves and for the conference that they did in an
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  Speaker 5: eventual 48-20 loss at the hands of Texas A & M,
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  Speaker 5: who is never.
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  Speaker 4: Really the team that they wish they were, right?
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  Speaker 5: So 877-353-0700 at RealOC Sports. If you have any thoughts
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  Speaker 5: on last night's NFL game, if you have any thoughts
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  Speaker 5: on our handicapping the next best thing in the conference
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  Speaker 5: outside of of Utah and BYU.
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  Speaker 4: James Peterson is behind the glass.
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  Speaker 7: James.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know if I constructed the poll correctly.
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  Speaker 5: If I put the right candidates in there, but if
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  Speaker 5: you're looking for a third best Texas tech, Houston, Oklahoma state, other,
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  Speaker 5: how do you answer the poll?
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  Speaker 4: So we're just, we're just saying BYU and Utah, BYU
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  Speaker 4: and Utah are the best two teams. I am saying
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  Speaker 4: they are. And I get no, they look the best
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  Speaker 4: and the numbers.
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  Speaker 5: Because we got a bunch of teams that are still
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  Speaker 5: to know the numbers kind of suggest that they are,
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  Speaker 5: whether you're looking at these like pro football focus analytics
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  Speaker 5: type sites, or you're looking at just the like points
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  Speaker 5: four points against kind of situation. If you're looking at
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  Speaker 5: not the AP or the, the voters, cause they still
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  Speaker 5: say it's Texas tech. That would be number two in
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  Speaker 5: this case, quality of opponent matters. And right now, Utah
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  Speaker 5: is the highest scoring offense in the big 12 conference.
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  Speaker 4: Speaker 0 5. They are played too bad team. So
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  Speaker 4: it played too bad teams. No one. I mean, BYU
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  Speaker 4: is the only one who's played a good team so
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  Speaker 4: far in Arizona, a team we think will be good
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  Speaker 4: all season in Arizona. Well, Oklahoma state played a good team.
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  Speaker 4: That's true. I mean, out of the three, out of those,
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  Speaker 4: out of those three that AP says is the best
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  Speaker 4: three teams in the big 12. So yeah, I just,
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if Oregon state might prove to be better
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  Speaker 4: than Arkansas this year. But who knows? It's because that
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  Speaker 4: Arkansas team looked really bad on Saturday.
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  Speaker 5: I'm confident in saying that Oregon State is better than
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  Speaker 5: Arkansas this year. Oregon State, just by virtue of having
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  Speaker 5: that Legree kid, that true freshman, who's already got 400
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  Speaker 5: yards receiving, just having him, and congratulations, Corvallis, you will
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  Speaker 5: have him for exactly one season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Before the bowl game, he is going to be with
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  Speaker 5: somebody else, but I hope you qualify for a.
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  Speaker 4: Bowl game when I hope for Oregon state's sake, that's
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  Speaker 4: not the case, but yeah, that that's probably absolutely is
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  Speaker 4: the case because the revenue of the new pack, 12 institutions,
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  Speaker 4: the football money that they're getting is about one fifth
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  Speaker 4: of the big 12s money, if I'm not mistaken, which
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  Speaker 4: means they're about one-tenth of the Big Ten and the
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  Speaker 4: SEC money.
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  Speaker 5: So, look, stories like that, and I will say it
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  Speaker 5: every time we get one, stories like this Oregon State kid,
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  Speaker 5: stories like Jade Knott last year, stories like Devin Dampier,
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  Speaker 5: stories like Wayshawn Parker, these guys are the reason the
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  Speaker 5: transfer portal was opened and made to be universally accessible
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  Speaker 5: with certain windows and guidelines. Those stories are that like
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  Speaker 5: drew mess, the maker at Oklahoma state is the reason
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  Speaker 5: that people wanted the transfer portal to be a thing
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  Speaker 5: because the recruiting science, you can't even call it that
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  Speaker 5: the art of recruiting is so subjective and is so
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  Speaker 5: inaccurate sometimes. that you have to allow for second chances
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  Speaker 5: for Mulligans without people sacrificing real college football for JUCO
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  Speaker 5: or without people suffering academically because they go to a
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  Speaker 5: much lesser institution in a JUCO route so that they
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  Speaker 5: can do a prove-it deal. Back in the day, if
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  Speaker 5: you had to do the prove-it thing, and very few
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  Speaker 5: people did so by choice, you would go to the
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  Speaker 5: JUCO route and then... if you were an all American
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  Speaker 5: at snow college, or if you were an all American
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  Speaker 5: at Rick's way back in the day, if you did
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  Speaker 5: something really spectacular at Dixie state down in St. George,
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  Speaker 5: then maybe the big boys would come call. And we
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  Speaker 5: have plenty of examples of this, right? But now that
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  Speaker 5: pipeline has been.
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  Speaker 4: Altered to where the FCS and the mid major D
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  Speaker 4: one conferences are proving grounds in their own right. And
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  Speaker 4: the new constructed PAC 12 is, With Oregon State and
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  Speaker 4: Washington State in it, they are one of those proving grounds.
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  Speaker 4: And this Jesse Legree kid is already through two games
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  Speaker 4: showing that.
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  Speaker 5: It makes sense when you look at him. why he
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  Speaker 5: was under recruited. He is a skinny 175 pounds. I
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  Speaker 5: bet he doesn't actually weigh 175 pounds. He's a true freshman.
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  Speaker 4: That's under six feet tall and under 180 pounds. And
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  Speaker 4: you would look at that kid.
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  Speaker 5: And especially when they're wearing the white helmet, you know
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  Speaker 5: how white helmets make everyone's head look a lot bigger
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  Speaker 5: when they got the white helmets on. He looks like
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  Speaker 5: a little league football player. from a visual standpoint. And
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  Speaker 5: then he starts to move and he starts to run
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  Speaker 5: his routes and he goes past people and you're.
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  Speaker 4: Like, Oh, okay. All right. Well, that guy should be
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  Speaker 4: somewhere else.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And he's going to be next year.
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  Speaker 5: And because there are coaches in this conference who have
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  Speaker 5: seen him up close and in person, Houston, Willie Fritz
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  Speaker 5: is going to be like, uh, I would like to
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  Speaker 5: have you on my team next year. Cody Campbell's probably
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  Speaker 5: already getting the money ready to bring him to Texas tech.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And that's, that's not going to be all when Mario
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  Speaker 5: Cristobal gets ahold of that film, he's also going to
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  Speaker 5: say the same things.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So, but that's, those guys are why the transfer portal
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  Speaker 4: was put in place.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't even like, I don't even get mad
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  Speaker 5: when I see that kind of stuff, because again, like
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  Speaker 5: Brayden Pagan would not be at the university of Utah
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  Speaker 5: this year. Kyrie Scholes would not be at the university
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  Speaker 5: of Utah this year. If it were not that like
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  Speaker 5: natural upward progression, think of the guys that have done
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  Speaker 5: something in a Utah football uniform that has impressed you
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  Speaker 5: so far this year, how many of them are not transfers?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not that many. I mean, way Sean Parker's another
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  Speaker 4: great example of a guy who went from the The
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  Speaker 4: ruins of the Pac-12, the Washington State, the first year
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  Speaker 4: from the first year of the post-Pac-12 era, if you will,
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  Speaker 4: at Washington State to the University of Utah and has
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  Speaker 4: become a star all-purpose running back, especially this year, the
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  Speaker 4: all-purpose thing. This is a great little text from Juan Soto.
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  Speaker 8: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 5: College football needs to implement a transfer fee like soccer does.
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  Speaker 4: That will help these smaller schools. That is a great idea.
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  Speaker 5: I would be totally on board with that, even knowing
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  Speaker 5: that Utah would have to pay that more often than
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  Speaker 5: they would be paid that.
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 5: If you had to buy, if you had to pay
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  Speaker 5: transfer players, pay for transfer players, well, you do, and
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  Speaker 5: it goes to the player. But if the institution that
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  Speaker 5: they were leaving also got some benefit from it, it
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  Speaker 5: would incentivize a lot of good things, right? It would
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  Speaker 5: incentivize guys to do a really dang good job at
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  Speaker 5: the next, at the lower level. And then the trickle
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  Speaker 5: down economics of when Ohio state comes and poaches, your
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  Speaker 5: roster doesn't destroy your college football team quite as bad, right?
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  Speaker 4: So I'd be on board with that, but I would,
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  Speaker 4: I would too. But we, we got on this tangent
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  Speaker 4: because I was talking about, it's been inferior comp competition,
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  Speaker 4: Texas tech might, BYU has had the best competition out
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  Speaker 4: of those three that the AP says are the top
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  Speaker 4: three teams in the conference. Texas Tech might have the
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  Speaker 4: second best because Oregon State looks like they're better than
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  Speaker 4: Arkansas right now. But I'll agree with your premise that
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  Speaker 4: BYU and Utah have looked the best out of the
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  Speaker 4: Big 12 teams. Who's better after that? Is that, is
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  Speaker 4: that what the question was? Who would be the third? If,
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  Speaker 4: and again, we are wrong. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Like when, when we look back at this at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the year, it is not going to be
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  Speaker 5: BYU one, Utah two, and whoever you put a three,
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  Speaker 5: it's almost certainly not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: There's going to be some shuffling there. As soon as
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  Speaker 5: Utah beats BYU in the rivalry game, then Utah goes
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  Speaker 5: to number one.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking it into existence.
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  Speaker 5: And then if they lose to TCU, but BYU keeps winning,
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  Speaker 5: then they flip again, right?
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  Speaker 4: Like Arizona ups, Arizona upsets the Utes. Like who knows?
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  Speaker 5: We're going to do it at week two. We're going
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  Speaker 5: to do it a week four. We're going to do
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  Speaker 5: it week six. We're going to do a week eight.
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  Speaker 5: Like we're just speculating here. I'm just trying to figure
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  Speaker 5: it out because the exercise is informative for a lot
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  Speaker 5: of different reasons. You're looking at it the right way, James,
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  Speaker 5: where we don't really know. And, and Derek, who's a
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  Speaker 5: loyal texter. We appreciate Derek. Same sentiment. He says, I'm
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  Speaker 5: not even positive about Utah and BYU because you beat
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  Speaker 5: two inferior teams in Utah's case.
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  Speaker 4: We're not sure about Arizona in BYU's case. Of course
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  Speaker 4: we're not. We're wrong every year about these things. We're
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  Speaker 4: pretty sure Arizona's going to be pretty good, though.
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  Speaker 5: I think Arizona's good. Personnel-wise, they have what it takes
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  Speaker 5: to be solid. Coaching-wise, they have what it takes to
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  Speaker 5: be solid. Played well against BYU, too.
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  Speaker 4: The thing about Arizona being good, though, throw up the
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  Speaker 4: air quotes, good, you can be good and still be
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: the fifth or sixth best team by record in this
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: big 12 conference and not be ranked and not, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: maybe not ever be ranked if you're the fifth or
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: sixth best team in the big 12.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: So we, we, we have a lot of different things
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: that we're guessing on and we're guessing on whether or
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: not the chiefs are awesome again, because of the performance
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: we saw last night, Broncos are just terrible.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: And screwed that one up or guess what? Two things
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: can be true at once.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: The Chiefs can also be really good, but the best
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: version of the Broncos, which is not anything close to
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: what we saw last night, might actually be capable of
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: beating the Chiefs.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: It's why you don't just wait until week six to
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: start talking.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: You don't wait until, well, now we have a conference
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: championship matchup set. Now let's have a radio show and
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: decide who's good, who's best, who's better.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: We've been making these.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Guesses for months and months and months without any frame
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: of reference, without actually watching these rosters play. I was
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: more pessimistic about what I was going to see from
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Utah in the early goings than what we have seen. Again,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: always with the caveat that you're not proving it against
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: anyone tough as of yet, and you haven't proven anything
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: until you've done it against someone who is tough. But
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: I would have thought at this juncture, we would have
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: seen a lot more mental errors. We would have seen
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: a lot more sloppy play. We would have seen a
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: lot more of miscommunication, the broken plays that we have
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: seen for the most part. offensively, at least they somehow
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: find ways to make them either a net neutral play
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: or somehow turn it into a positive play. I mean,
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: there was some mesh point issue in the Arkansas game
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: where either way Sean was wrong or Devin was wrong.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: And they just kind of took off running together and
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: turned it into a positive play. Like those things are
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: going to happen. I thought we would see three or
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: four of those per game so far. And I don't
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: think we've seen five total and that's a good thing.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: That allows me to infer that this team might be
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: further along than I had given them credit for or
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: further along than I thought maybe they would ever get
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: this first year under Morgan Scali. Or maybe it's just
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: the competition is absolutely abysmal. Who is, based on what
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: you think, because we don't know anything, based on what
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: you think and what you have seen, who is Scali?
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: the third best team. Cause I'm not allowing someone to
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: tell me it's not BYU or Utah at the top.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: I really think that my local biases in an meaningless
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: conversation can stand out here. And I can say one
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: and two BYU, Utah who's three.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that right now I'm most comfortable saying
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Houston is third, but I'm not, I'm not even positive
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: about that because I want to I want to believe
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: that Texas Tech, with the amount of money they've spent
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: on this roster, with how talented this roster still is,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: what we know Will Hammond to be at his best
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: more than most people here, more than most fans here
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: at Salt Lake City. We know what Will Hammond is
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: at his best. He's not at his best yet. I
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: believe maybe they're probably the third best team. But right now,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: they have not played near– their best level of football yet.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: OC Houston has played way closer to that than Texas tech.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: So I got to go with Houston. And I love
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: that they're playing Friday night, by the way, because we're
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: going to know right away. That's an important one of those,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: which one of those teams is better.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: The first important data point that we got in the
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: conference versus conference came from BYU in Arizona. The second sequentially,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: not second in terms of importance, but the second important
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: data point comes this Friday when Houston takes on Texas tech,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: we don't get an important data point for the university
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: of Utah in, in.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: The conference race until week six.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: And that is why these conversations are both important and
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: frivolous because we're just speculating. We're wondering why And, you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Colorado deserves to be in a conversation somewhere.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: I didn't put them on the poll for a reason,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: but they deserve to be somewhere because Colorado's 2-0 with
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: a power conference win, with an ACC win. And I
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: don't think that we're going to say anything to crown
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Georgia Tech, but Georgia Tech last year was maybe the
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: ACC's most physical team. They were a team that a
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: lot of people thought had a chance to do more
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: than they did.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: They were the ACC's best team for the majority of
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: the season until they got overtaken at the end of
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: the year.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: And obviously, Miami was not the ACC's best team in
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: the regular season. And then they were all the way
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: through the college football playoff and ended up being the
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: national championship runner-up.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: So with the NFL, I mean, you guys have been
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: watching high school football. It's the same in high school football.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: With the NFL, with.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: College football, the week-to-week judgment we have on these teams is...
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: inaccurate at best completely up in the night at worst.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: And we are sitting here. I am sitting here trying
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: to figure out if I have to handicap this preseason
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: conference ranking again, how do I shuffle the deck? I've
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: already shuffled it at the very, very top. I don't
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: know if I'm ready to shuffle Texas tech completely out
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: of it. I think my own feelings on my own
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: biases against being able to purchase teams has me wanting to,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: to stick a needle in, Texas techs hopes. I think
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: it has me wanting to undercut the work that they do.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: I think it has me, you know, blaming myself for
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: overestimating will Hammond. Maybe he will end up being at
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: some point, the guy we saw at rice echo stadium
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: last year.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe he was.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: Just having an out of body experience because he grew
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: up as a BYU fan and was like, Oh my gosh,
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: I get to kill the Utes.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Let me go out here and do this incredible thing.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: He hasn't played a That same level of proficiency since
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: that game. I think he's a good quarterback, but that
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: so far is the high watermark of his college football career.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: And you're going to have guys occasionally get those against
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: the University of Utah.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: It's aggravating. It's terrible.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: You don't want to see people have their best games,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: especially quarterbacks have their best games against the University of Utah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: But it happens. We've seen it in the past. In
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: the Pac-12 era, they were like.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Who is the guy?
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: Dante Pettis, the receiver return man for, for washing. I
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: would be like, okay, maybe they are somewhere up there,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: but the problem is they lost to total lost to
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: BYU in week one.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: And then they had beat Oregon.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: So they, it, it's, it's kind of like, even though
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Michigan has most impressive win in the big 10 right now,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: There's not a person on the planet who is ready
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: to say that Michigan is the best team in the
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: big tent.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: They've got the best win. Beating Oklahoma is the best
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: win that the big tens got right now. This season,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Ohio state lost to Texas. Did you have to bring
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: that up? I did.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: But if, but Michigan there, they're not undefeated in most
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: people's minds, even though they're technically undefeated.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: No one is saying, like, so I'm okay if you
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: look at a team and you say, based on what
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: I've watched from you, even if you're not undefeated, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Michigan is, so maybe they weren't a good example, but, like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma State, it's not like you went and you beat
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Oregon and you had a really tough nationally relevant or
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: even conference relevant or even... power for relevant opponent that
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: barely snuck by you in week one. So you're sitting
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: at one and one with the most impressive win on
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: the slate. The problem is they lost to Tulsa. So
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: what we know about Oklahoma state, what we know about
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma state is that their ceiling is as high as
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: anyone else in the conference, as we know right now,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: but their floor is also scary. Their floor is way
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: below what we've seen from Utah and BYU and Houston
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: and Texas Tech.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: So far, and Colorado and Kansas State.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: The floor for Oklahoma State is an embarrassment to the conference.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: The ceiling for Oklahoma State, based on a two-game sample size,
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: is maybe the most impressive, maybe the best team in
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: the conference. That is a good text, even if I
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: don't agree with it, because it makes you think. Oklahoma
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: State makes you think. You have to decide what you're
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: impressed by right now.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to pass this question on to our
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: first guest of the day, Stevenson Sylvester, who, of course,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: is now a part of our official radio broadcast, not
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: on the sideline, but in the booth as the color
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: analyst next to Bill Riley.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: And he's a Utah football legend, and he's an NFL veteran.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Sly joins us next as we're rolling on the Sean
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: O'Connell Show, ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in Utah
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: football legend, NFL veteran, current member of the broadcast team
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: alongside bill Riley and Zach Moss Stevenson, Sylvester sly here
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Welcome sly. How are you, sir?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: What's up OC.
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: How you doing?
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm, I'm doing great.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: I'm fascinated by this Utah football team so far, because
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: I don't think we've played. I don't think we've seen
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: this team play anyone good yet. Arkansas was a lot
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: worse than I thought Arkansas was going to be under
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Ryan Silverfield, trying to turn things around there in Fayetteville.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: But With all that being said, the Utes have handled
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: their business impressively through two weeks. So as someone who's
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: got a seasoned eye for evaluating these things, even with
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: lesser than competition, how good is this Utah team based
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: on the sample size?
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: This football team is excellent. I think it is top tier,
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: you know, and it's a big team.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Uh and the.
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: Reason why it is is because of the retention that
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: we were able to have right um i say this
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: a lot um it's because i with the transfer portal
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: nil all this other stuff and kids going everywhere um
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: there's still a big development phase you know so you
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: know this from high school to college to the pros
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: like there's there's still learning that needs to happen and
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: if you're always shifting and going somewhere else and doing
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: all that. You're you're getting teaching from so many different
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: people and you may not even be getting taught anymore
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: because these college now coaches are on this, you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: one and done thing where it's just like, it's business.
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: If you're not putting up and get out, if you
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: don't know anything, then get out. That's why these high
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: school kids are suffering from it because there's not as
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: many high school scholarships because they're like, look, I'd rather
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: get a transfer portal guy than, than, you know, rely
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: on an inexperienced high school kid that hasn't developed yet.
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: So there's always that aspect, but I think Utah success is,
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: is a hugely involved because of the retention. We have
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: so many people that were in this program last year
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: that are, you know, being huge contributors this year, you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: from Lance old school on defense to Carson Kofusi, even
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: last year, you know, just a sophomore, but, You know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: he's been.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: In the system.
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: He understands the culture. He understands the defense. You know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: Jonah Hall and Trey Reynolds, that linebacker, they've been here
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: for years. You know, Rabbit Evans, a couple years now.
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: Nate Ritchie here, mission, comeback. He played excellent. There's guys
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: that's just been in this program. That's just defense, let
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: alone the offense. And so there's just continuity, chemistry. Guys
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: know each other.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Guys trust each other.
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: And that is what makes successful football teams, man. And
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: so I think that Utah is definitely, one of the
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: best football teams in all of the country.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: Richie is a guy, Nate Richie has been excellent through
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: these first two weeks. Morgan Scali said maybe this last
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: game against Arkansas was his best game as a Ute.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: And we've seen him, you know, dealing with mission legs
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: and then maybe being banged up a little bit, but it,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's comfort in the system. I
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: don't know if it's knowing the guys that you're playing
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: with better. I don't know what it is, but he just,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: he looked, he moves different. His closing speed is better.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: The angles he's taking make more sense, at least through
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: two weeks. I didn't expect this jump from Nate Ritchie,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: and I'm calling it a jump based on a two-game
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: sample size.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: I realize that.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: If you had to attribute it to something, Sly, what
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: would you think is the main reason for him playing
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: this well through two weeks?
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: Just continuity, confidence. And, and, and chemistry, this guy, he's
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: just been here. I don't think he's had the confidence
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: the last couple of years and comfortability.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: And he had that, you know, everybody has that. Like
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: my rookie year in the league, my freshman year here
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: at Utah. I had no expectations. Nobody had any expectations
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: of me. I was just going out there and just balling, right?
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: My rookie year in the league, we go to the
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: Super Bowl. I was a good.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Contributor on the team.
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: You know, I didn't know any better. There's no expectations
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: on me or myself or the team or me. I
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: was just going out there and doing it. So Nate
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: Richie's first year before he went on his mission, he
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: was balling out, man. He just, there's no expectation. He
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: comes back, right? He has the experience of being in college.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: He has his level of expectation for.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Himself, right? And he wasn't meeting that expectation.
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: So that, you know, uh, tapered into his confidence and
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: he just didn't have it all together. I think that's
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: finally coming into pass now where he's, he's had that comfortability,
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: that confidence and that ability of knowing what he's doing. And, um, and, and,
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: you know, uh, you know, uh, Morgan Scully has done
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: a great job over the years of, of.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Talking to him and instilling him.
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: And understanding, like, we know your capabilities. You just got
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: to turn it on. And he's definitely turning it on.
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: What I saw from him on Saturday night was that
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: he was just playing so confidently. He knew exactly what
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: he was doing. He was getting more back to that
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: freshman year that we saw of him, of just balling
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: out and just playing free and clear and happy, man. So,
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: extremely happy for Nate Richie to have that feeling. And
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: that's a huge asset in the system. I think we
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: have three or four safeties here that can rotate in
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: and play awesome. And if you have three or four
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: safeties that are on the same playing field from Tillman
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: to Richie to Jackson to Rabbit Evans, that is a
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: huge asset because of what you asked the safeties to
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: do in the system.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: And so Nate Richie coming.
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: Back and being a solid player and regaining that confidence
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: is huge for this Utah football defense.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: You know, a lot more about it than I do,
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: but express if you can, the, how impressive it is
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: that Jai Moore ended up with eight tackles playing the
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: position he plays in this defense. A lot of the
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: job that those guys have is to be disruptive so
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: that linebackers can make tackles and safeties can make tackles.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: And even the best ones that we've had ever in
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: this program, like the star low to the lays of
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: the world and the lucky photos and the Steve Fifi
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: does like, there's not a lot of like double digit
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: tackle days or approaching double digit tackle days for D
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: tackles in this Utah football defense. And he flirted with that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: And he had a sack this past weekend, a impressive
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: game from Jai.
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Judd was, it was awesome. And simply, I put
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: that in, be ready for your opportunity when you're able
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: to make it, right? You heard Morgan Scully in the presser,
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: the post-game presser, talking about how he had the most
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: impressive win rate in the one-on-ones in the transfer portal.
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: right and when.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: You're talking about win rate you're.
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: Talking about somebody who's making the play not just getting
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: by your guy but you're making the play either being
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: disruptive where you're pulling up the run so your teammates
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: can make it or you're making the play yourself right
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: i've played with guys like paul soliai who literally is
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: a one-man wrecking crew you put three guys on him
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: he's still making the play type guy and jai moa
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: just understands he's like look We have a talented football team.
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: If you're focused on Lance Holtzlaw or Ethan Day or
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: Paul Fitzgerald or Jonah Hall or Trey Reynolds, then you're
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: going to forget me and put me one-on-one? And here's
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: the thing. In football, all the coaches out there, this
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: is what you've got to tell your guys. You have
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: to win your one-on-one battles, whether you're an offensive guy
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: going against a defensive guy, a defensive guy going against
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: an offensive guy. Whatever it is, there's no excuse for
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: you not winning your one-on-one battles. If you consider yourself
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: a top-tier athlete, you can win one-on-one. Double teams is
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: where it comes to me like, okay, maybe we can understand.
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: This is what I learned in the NFL. I learned
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: this in the NFL, my very first game against the
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: Atlanta Falcons game.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: You know, coach.
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: Tomlin was just like, you better win your one-on-ones. I
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: lost my one-on-one early in the game, but we went
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: into overtime that first day and I won my one-on-one
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: in overtime. And so I was like, I got my
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: get back, but I understood. It's like, look, if they
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: put you one-on-one, you better win.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: And that's why.
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: Morgan Scali paid so much attention to him winning his
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: one-on-one battles is because when he gets one-on-one, he's hugely
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: effective and, And then in the game on Saturday, it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: just taking advantage of opportunities from the TV use and
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: him getting in, in causing pressure on, on KJ Jackson
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: and the quarterback. It was just highly impressive with him
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: taking advantage of opportunities. When the play is there to
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: be made, he made the play. That is the eight tackles.
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: It's play is there to be made. It's not like
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: I'm missing tackles. Like, Oh, I, I had his shirt,
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: but I let him go by me. John was like, no,
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: You're right here in front of me. I have the
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: opportunity to make this play, and I'm going to make
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: this play, man. So I absolutely love that mentality from
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: Jai Mo to think that, like, no, just because I'm
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: a D tackle, that doesn't mean I ain't going to
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: make the play. I can lead this team in tackles
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: as well because I'm closer to the ball every play, essentially,
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: is the mindset. But just a great job by him,
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: and you see more and more guys step up in
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: this defense, and hopefully we're seeing other guys' names each
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: and every week. So that's how you know you have
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: a talented football team.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Stevenson Sylvester Sly is our guest here on the Sean
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: O'Connell show talking all things Utah football as they get
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: ready for Utah state. You used to have to game
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: plan against some pretty complicated ones, some creative ones. I
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: imagine even you are seeing things from Kevin McGiven, from
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: Mac G, that you haven't seen in all your years
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: in football. It's been an absolute joy to watch that
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: guy get into his mad scientist bag, run these two
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: quarterback plays, run this crazy stuff, and to do it
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: when maybe you don't necessarily have to, when you probably
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: could just line up and potentially push Idaho around at least,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: maybe the same with Arkansas. What are your thoughts on
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: this Utah offense through the defensive lens that I know
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: you watch every game with?
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: And for me, it's the mad scientist, mad, mad hatter, whatever,
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: the Dr. Jekyll of Morgan Scali, right? This is Morgan
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: Scali's personality all over it. And it's Morgan Scali because
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: it's him putting the pieces together to create a whole team.
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: It doesn't matter who we play. You're going to have
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: to devise a game plan against all of these assets.
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: We have a different guy being able to be the
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: focal point each and every week. It could be Brandon
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: Pagan one week. It could be Wayshawn Parker one week.
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: It could be Devin Ampere and Burt Finklin one week.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Andrews.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: It could be Noah Benny.
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: It could be so many different guys. So it's like
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: as a defense has been like, watch out for this guy,
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: watch out for this guy, watch out for this guy,
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: watch out for this guy. How can you create a
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: premier game plan when you have to watch out for
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: six or seven guys, guys who aren't even in the
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: game for a good percentage of the reps, you still
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: have to have a game plan for. It is so
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: difficult to plan for this that you have to make
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: defenses go extremely vanilla and take the numbers off of
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: the guys, right? When we prepare for defense, when we
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: prepare for offensive guys, you're like, okay, there's 15, there's four,
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: four could throw the ball extremely well.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: 15 does this extremely well.
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: Oh, number one does this extremely well. Number seven does
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: this great, but he's deficient at this. Number two, you
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: have to think about every single person. Like normally there's
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: like three guys that you have to put one receiver,
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: one running back or tight end quarterback is always a guy,
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: but like, you don't have to plan for that much
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: when you go in and get the team, everybody else
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: is kind of whatever. You have to plan for everybody
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: in this offense, from Larry Simmons to Lee Whittemore to
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: Brandon Pagan, Ricky Johnson, and Daniel Bray. Even when he
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: comes in, he's a utility guy. So when he comes in, oh,
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: five in the game, we got to go through our rules.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Of number five.
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: But it's so hard to game plan for. And I
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: think that's the best thing. And that's why I say
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: that's the Dr. Jekyll of of Morgan Scali madness that's
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: coming into play. And it doesn't matter who we play against.
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: It's going to work creating that kind of a pressure
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: on the defense. Now we just got to make sure
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: The guys make the play. They got to understand that
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: no team is just going to lay down for us.
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: We got to go out there and take it every game.
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: We haven't had an away game yet. And so we
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: haven't felt that type of pressure. But we got to
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: go out there and take it every single week. Nobody's
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: going to give it to us. But these guys look
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: like they're aggressive. They mean something. They feel like it
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: feels like they have unfinished business.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: They they're playing with such aggressiveness that they're just like,
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: we're going for it all this year, man. And so
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: I'm so happy to see that from my team, you know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: as a fan, that's my team.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: And, you know, for me, I'm watching the games every time.
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: I'm just like, how the heck does anybody defend that?
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: How do you do? How do you, how does bird Finkland?
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: How was there? Nobody lined up in the bat field
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: in an empty, not even the quarterbacks back there. They
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: ship back there. Bird Finkland, your backup quarterback is your pistol.
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: Your actual quarterback is your, your deep back. So you're like, okay,
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: what's going on there? He hands off to your quarterback.
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: Like he's a running back. And then the quarterback pitches
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: it back to the court. Wait, what just happened? And
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: so the You're thinking about that as a defender, you've
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: got to break down each scenario of what possibilities can happen.
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: And there's just so many possibilities you're left with creating
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: yourself a very vanilla defense. And this offense is going
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: to expose vanilla defenses. Every point of the game, we
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: should be scoring 43, 45 points per game, no matter
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: the opponent, man. So I'm just very happy to see
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: that it's on this side of the roster. And Morgan
• 41:46
  Speaker 8: Scali has this mindset of, you know, evolution of the
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: game and creativity of the game. It feels like every
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: play is a trick play, you know, that you dial up, man.
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: And that's so hard to defend. And I just love
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: the pressure that we're putting on opponents.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Let's get nitpicky here for a second. It is only
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: two games.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: So everything will, you know, flesh itself out as the
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: season progresses, but who do you want to see more from?
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Who did you have high hopes for in spring ball
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: or in camp that hasn't popped just yet?
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: And you're, you're confident they will at some point.
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: Speaker 4 0 Man, um, offensively runner Andrews, you know, I,
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: I got a lot on him, but you know, um,
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: right now it doesn't really matter.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: As it's because it's so early in the season, you're
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: kind of showing things.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: Um, for, for your.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: People to, to game plan for.
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: So Utah state is game planning off of the last two.
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: Games, right?
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: When we go to Iowa state.
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: We go to Colorado, we go to all these, they're
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: going to be game planning two to three games back.
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: And so what we hit them with when we get
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: to that week may not be what they were looking
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: at on film. That's how the danger of this offense is, man.
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: And so Hunter Andrews in the offense and his creativity,
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: what he can do from the wildcat position is, is,
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: is awesome. But we have way Sean Parker. We can
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: do the same thing. There's just so much.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Talent on this football team.
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: I I'm waiting for a big return from Monica. in
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: the return game. I want to see that.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: That's going to be absolutely huge. Daniel Bray as well.
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: I just advise plays in my head. If you look
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: on my whiteboard here, I have in my office, I'm
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: not even a coach or anything. I just have plays
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: drawn up on, on like what I would do. And
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: like what I would do with a guy like Daniel Bray,
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: Hunter Andrews, like, Oh, And this is going aside from
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: the creativity that you're seeing already.
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: And so like, it's so awesome to, to have these,
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: these weapons, right. And embarrassment of riches of weapons on
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: his offense with those, just a couple guys, Larry, Tim touchdown, Larry,
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: another guy that you can see again, we got Nate
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: Johnson on.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: The roster too.
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: He is a quarterback.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: You get in the game.
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: You can tell me a team that's going to game
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: plan to know that Nate Johnson was a quarterback in
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: the past. So as a linebacker, I see Nate Johnson
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: line up in the backfield. I do a toss to
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: him and he throws the ball 40 yards down the field.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Like a regular quarterback.
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: You're like, I didn't prepare for that. And so there's
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: just so many things in this office that you have
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: to be aware for. Even Tobias Merriweather, right? Another six,
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: five receiver who can go up and get it in
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: the red zone. If you want, there's just so many
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: options that we have. And that's just offensively, you know, defensively,
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: I want to see a little bit more from cash
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: Dylan and that's more slash play their defenses play.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Great.
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: Don't ask that these guys aren't doing anything. I just,
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: I want to see more sags. I want to see more,
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: more freedom in this offense. Lucas Samuel, how.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Do you say his name? Sam Sula. Yeah. Sam Sula.
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: Lucas Sam Sula, man. I loved him at Wyoming. Like
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: I was watching him and I'm just like, this is
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: the dude. So just knowing that we had that depth
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: at the D tackle position is also absolutely awesome. So
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: one of them a little bit more out of.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Him, but I'm thinking great. I mean, Jonah Hall is
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: doing better.
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: Than I thought he would do his Steve Rossi confidence.
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: Same as Nate Ritchie that he's playing with right now
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: is absolutely awesome. Trey Reynolds is a baller. Ain't going
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: to say nothing about that guy. Jackson, Benny Jackson, Benny
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: make it plays every single freaking game. I absolutely love
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: what our cornerbacks are doing. We have a great rotation. of,
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: of cornerbacks from Elijah Reed to bubble Chanel. Um, um,
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: Davis and, and even JC Hart's getting in there. And,
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: you know, we saw him at the Baylor game last year,
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: you know, coming to his own at the end of
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: the season and do some really good things. So I
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: just think we have a very talented team and just,
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: they gotta understand that the weeks go on, you can't
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: get complacent. You gotta go out there and take it. And, and,
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: and the know that we have so many guys that
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: are eager for action. That's just a great, great thing
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: for us to have. Speaker 2?
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: Did Reynolds like, did he have to ask you to
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: wear 10 as a linebacker at Utah?
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: I'm going to send a cease and desist here real soon.
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: And Jaden Daniels, like, no, man, you don't have to
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: ask me, man. If you're a baller, you can wear
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: number 10. How about that? And Terry Reynolds is a baller.
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: I just, I love that guy. I love seeing number
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: 10 at linebacker, the plays that he makes, the leadership
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: that he's expressing on this football team. I love to
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: see that. And I'm very honored to actually, that he
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: even wants to wear that number. It's not for me
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: or anything, but just seeing another guy wear number 10
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: is so awesome and special from my old guy perspective.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: So it's Utah state this week.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: They've got a quarterback problem in my opinion, but Bronco
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Ben and hall is a really good coach and he's
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: got more familiarity with this Utah staff than pretty much
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: everyone else. They're going to face this year, maybe with
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: the exception of BYU. So it presents a unique problem
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: in that regard. Mac G was just there last year.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Pagan was there last year. What do you expect from
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: this Utah, Utah state game slide?
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: Man, a QB problem, yes and no. After watching the
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: Idaho State game, you know, I look at the stat sheet.
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: I'm like, geez, that many interceptions.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: What the heck was he doing? And they were just
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: terrible passes.
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: But when you put on the Washington game, you're just like, oh,
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: these guys have really jumped in a week. And that's
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: why I hate preseason polls, right? A poll shouldn't come
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: out until at least week three, right? I think week
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: three is a good assessment to get of what gauge
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: is on the season. There's so many things to learn
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: from week one to week two. Especially in new transition,
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: you know, from a new coordinator coming in, right? Robert
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: and I coming in and those guys, new quarterback in
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: the case, real estate coming in, having to learn. There's
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: so many things that you have to learn when you
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: play another opponent than just your scripted defense, you know,
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: every single week.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Week in practice.
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: And so they played a lot better in that Washington.
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: They had opportunities to win, right? They had opportunities to
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: win in that football game. And so, but they played
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: a lot better against Washington. Now Washington may not be
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: a great team.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think that they should be ranked as.
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: High as as, as there. But what you did watch
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: last week in Utah state.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Was a very inspired team.
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: So Utah can't expect that this, that this is just
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: going to be a Utah state team. That's just going
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: to lay down and be an easy feat. Like no
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: one Bronco Mendenhall knows the university of Utah shooting. Well,
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: he played in the stadium often. He's played against this
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: defense often. He can scheme against this, this against our offense.
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: Cause he's a, he's a defensive minded guy. And, and,
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: and he could present a lot of problems for us.
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: I mean, you waited, you see the way that a
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: defense played last week, they played free, they played extremely
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: physical and aggressive, which things we can take advantage of
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: if we're game plan, right.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Which I have no problem.
• 49:08
  Speaker 8: With McGiven doing, but it's not going to be there.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Do not just lay down, right.
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: The way that they came back and, you know, even
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: in the Idaho state game, right. They were more surprised.
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: that Idaho State was as good as they were. But
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: they still fought all the way to the end. And
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: you saw them fight all the way to the end
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: against Washington. And honestly, there's probably a little bit of
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: inspiration that they've gotten from that Washington game. So they're
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: going to come in here a little more hyped and aggressive. And,
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: you know, Utah has got a target on their back.
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: Utah Utah is what, ranked number 17 or 15?
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: 17, yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: In the nation right now?
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, 17.
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: What better way to start 0-2 than knocking off the
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: 17 red team in the country, who people probably feel
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: is ranked higher than that is. So if you're Utah State,
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: that's what I'm thinking about, right? We did that in 2007, right?
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: We started the year 0-2, and then number 11 UCLA
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: comes into Rice Echo Stadium, and we beat the Braves
• 50:06
  Speaker 8: out of them.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: We scored 47 odd points to their little, I think
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: 10 points or.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Something like that in 2007. So it's possible.
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: That's the mentality that, you know, I would want to
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: have coming into this game. And you can, you can
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: bet Bronco Mendenhall is going to have that mentality and
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: instill that mentality into those guys. They're not even going
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: to lay down, man. So I'm expecting a good matchup.
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: I actually like roster house. I think he, he, He's.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Very, he takes risks, right?
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: You know, he can run with his legs, but when
• 50:37
  Speaker 8: they throw the ball, they give you opportunities and they
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: have no problem with throwing it into coverage and all
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: of that. So on defense, you know, we missed some
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: interception opportunities last week. You know, even the only, the
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: lone touchdown that Arkansas had should have been an interception, right?
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Bobo Chanel should.
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: Have had an interception on the very first drive when
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: they got a field goal. They could possibly be blanked
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: if we got those two picks.
• 51:00
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: And so we're going to have opportunities like that against
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: Utah State. So our defense has got to be, you know,
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: on their P's and Q's and make sure they take
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: advantage when those opportunities are presented. What we talked about
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: Jai Moa just a little while ago, the opportunity was
• 51:15
  Speaker 8: there to make plays. And he made those plays the
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: same thing with everybody else defensively. And, you know, just
• 51:21
  Speaker 8: play complimentary football like we have been. And we'll have
• 51:25
  Speaker 8: a great win at Rice-Eckel Stadium against Utah State.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: How's it been in the booth this year instead, Sly?
• 51:32
  Speaker 8: It's different, man. I miss being in the mix. I'm
• 51:35
  Speaker 8: so wanting to put my helmet on every two seconds,
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: so it's different. But I actually love the vantage point, man.
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: It goes back to film study. When we watch film,
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: it's from this angle.
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: And so that is what we study. That is what
• 51:51
  Speaker 8: we see. So I see so many more things, you know,
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: from up in the booth.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: I get excited when I'm, when I'm focusing on certain
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: things and who needs to make plays and, and come down.
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: And yeah, it's just a different vantage point. That's giving
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: me an angle to be able to talk about the
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: game at a little higher level, man.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: So I absolutely love it, but it's different. I miss
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: being in the mix.
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: Because of my personality and, But it's awesome to get
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: another vantage point in the game.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Well, appreciate you giving us some time today, as always.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: We'll see you out there on Saturday as well.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Sly.
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: You know it.
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  Speaker 5: 700 and 92.1 FM. I put the poll question out,
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to ask Jerem Jordan this question.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Who are.
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: I'm saying, I'm declaring something and just assuming you all
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: agree with me. Utah and BYU are the two best
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: teams in the Big 12 Conference. If that's true, who's
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: number three right now? And it will obviously change at
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: some point during the season, maybe even this weekend.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: But if it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: BYU and Utah are the top two, who would you
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: put at number three right now? Jerem Jordan joins us,
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: friend of the program, BYU insider on all BYU sports,
• 55:06
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• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Hello, Jerem. Welcome back.
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: How are you?
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I'm doing great. I'm going to Weezer tonight. I just
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: talked to James. He's going to Weezer tonight. So it's
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: going to be a party, dude, at the Maverick center, man.
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: I love it. If you want to destroy my sweater, um, let's.
• 55:26
  Speaker 8: Very good pull from 94.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Heck yeah. It's a 32 years old.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: What great. We're we in sixth grade in 94. Is that,
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: is that right?
• 55:36
  Speaker 8: Chair?
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: We're the same age. Something like that.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Sounds right. Okay.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Well, the elementary in South Jordan shadow, no.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: Willow Canyon wildcats for life.
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: If you want, I'll sing the song for you.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: Did you guys not have a fight song for well beer,
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: whatever it was called?
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think in middle school we didn't,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: it was like Michigan. We'd play it in bands, Mr. Cook,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: seventh grade, you know, trumpet, you know, we're rocking it, dude.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: It's amazing. All right.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: The question I put out on the poll today is
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: assuming and I do assume that BYU and Utah are
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: right now the two most impressive teams in the Big
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: 12 conference. Who's number three? I put some candidates up there,
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: but you know more than I do. So who is
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: your number three if I'm making BYU one and Utah two?
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting conversation because we kind of have
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: to gauge not just wins because everybody's won. It's how
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: did they look and who did you play? And, you know,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: how do we gauge this early in your thing? Like
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: right now, BYU's win over Arizona is the probably second
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: best win in the league. Obviously, Oklahoma State over Oregon,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: to me, would be number one. But yeah, Texas Tech
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: has not looked, one, explosive on offense, and two, the
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: defense has given up some yards. Like Oregon State? Oregon State.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of weird. I still think Texas tech
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: is good. I know Utah is good. I believe BYU
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: is good. So yeah, those seem to be the top three.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Although focal on the state plays other teams, like they
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: played Oregon, that's different, but we saw them lose to
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Tulsa by 14 and, and Utah made Arkansas look like
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: what we thought, which is the worst team in the sec,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: but they still did it. They felt them good. So yeah,
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: pro I mean, probably tech, but a lot of that's
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: based off of last year, if it's just purely on
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: this year you had no idea what happened last year.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: You know, you, you kind of look around and you
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: like it's Kansas state actually pretty decent. We need to
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: see them play somebody they've walloped their teams, you know,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: ASU in the first half look good against them, but
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: then they got crushed in the second half. So that's
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: a great question. That I, you know, I would put
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: probably tech, you know, right there, Utah, BYU. I think
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: BYU is the best team in the league based on
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: the Arizona wind right can change quickly. It depends. Like
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: if Texas tech wallops Houston and they look good doing it,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: I put tech is number one immediately right away. So yeah,
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: it's a great question. It's kind of early. We need
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: to see some, some teams play a better competition, get
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: a good feel here.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: So BYU does win and cover against Arizona state and
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: you know, the adage, good teams win, great teams win
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: and cover. And they did 28, 17 victory. Did it
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: look how you, how you thought it was going to look?
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Yes. I fell early in the week. I said, BYU
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: by 10 plus, I think BYU is going to, you know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: control and win this game. And it's not going to
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: be a nervy game. Now at halftime, we're going, no,
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: wait a minute. Arizona had put up 17, which is
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: not a huge number, but they'd kind of done what
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: they wanted to. And BYU fans were nervous. And then,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: you know, then the second half is spectacular on defense.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: A shutout, 87 yards total, one touchdown. third down converted
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: by Arizona BYU defense was incredible. And so they did
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: a nice job there. And then BYU yields it out
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: at the end. They probably could have punched it in
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: inside the tent again and made it look even worse.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: But Kalani is a dude with a ton of character
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: and he's a nicer guy than I am. Like I
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: would have punched it in because I would, I have
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: scars from the last few years of watching BYU not
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: make the college football playoff and be on the fringe. And,
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: and to me, like a touchdown there maybe helps you,
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: but Kalani is a good dude. We all know that like,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: you know, they kneel it up. So it's all good.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: I think good things happen to good people and Kalani
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: has been rewarded and will be rewarded. So yeah, Yeah,
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: it was, you know, it was a good win over
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Arizona and you keep going, you know, at CSU, a
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: team that's going to be up. They've looked good. Granted,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: they haven't played anybody in Wyoming, Southern Utah. Like now
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: it's different, right. Against, you know, an old mountain West
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: whack team in BYU. They're a different stadium, by the way,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: for CSU, not the one that, you know, you played
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: in Sean, they got a new one in 2017. So yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: let's let's, let's have some fun Saturday covered when big
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: be healthy. And then it's a, it's on at TCU
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: the next week. So yeah, if you're in a good
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: spot right now on the fringe of the top 10,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I think they'll probably enter the top 10 next week,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: depending on what happens, you know, in LSU and, and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Ole man, if there's a blowout, you know, one of
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: those teams drops out of the way, if you really
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: slide through the top 10, man, Speaker.
• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: Could be.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: You know, the last time a guy had two and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: a half sacks was six years ago, Tyler Batty against
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Louisiana tech in the COVID season. So that was impressive.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: And County town of us had a better second half and,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: the BYU defensive line got some push. And a lot
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: of the times it was with three or four, like
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: BYU was kind of sitting in zone, making Noah, pick
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: them apart. And they, he did in the first half,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: but not in the second half. And so credit to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: that BYU defense and you know, Katie with that pick
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: and everything, but tell Celia guy that didn't get a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: ton of run at Texas and then transfers to be
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: while you had a few moments last year. And that was,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: That was big time. I can see where he has
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: kind of a seven to nine sack season for BYU.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: That was good. He's a very good pass rusher. Like
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: when it's, when it's a predictable kind of passing down that,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: that dude creates some pressure. He's put off the edge.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: The brother-in-law of Mike Alisa, if I'm not mistaken, is
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: that correct?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: That's that's correct.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Volleyball, Texas and Hawaii. And then when she was living
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: in Hawaii, I believe that's when she and Michael Lisa,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: one of the stars of the live action Moana, as
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: we all know, the viral star of Moana live action.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Thanks for using his government. Yeah. Mike, Mike is awesome.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: He's such a handsome fellow. Like that beard, that, that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: salt and pepper is so good. So yes, that's the connection.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: They are, they are related. Yep.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Fun fact. I have invited many, many, many people.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: In the college football sphere to come to the gym
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: and spar. And Michael Lisa is one of like three
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: guys who've actually done it. I've been punched in the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: face by Michael Lisa.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: So, I wish I had been punched in the face
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: by Michael. He's just so good looking.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: He's a great dude. So yeah, there's always, there's always
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: these family connections, right? When we're talking Utah and BYU
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: football and that, that is one.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: So kind of cool. All right. The, the offense, right?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: This Arizona is one of those things.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: I took the under on this game because Brent, Brandon
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: likes to play tight defense. Obviously BYU is trying to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: do the same thing and you did enough. more than
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: enough in this game. Like you said, two score victory
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: for BYU. And you know, they're, the expectations are so,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: so high because of what I think the ceiling for
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: bear Bachmeier is and offensive player of the year and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: LJ Martin returning to the backfield and all those things.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: And I know that some injuries have, you know, hurt
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: that running back depth and things like that, but is
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: the offense on pace?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: quick. He's crispy.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: It's explosive. That 61 yard past the legend glass was
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: awesome because it looked like you are. He was just
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: going to run it right. Use some clock. Nope. We're
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: going to get down the field here and get that
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: second touchdown and kind of put this thing away. And
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: so he, he's doing a great job. The legs are,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: you know, these churning butter when he's going, he had
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: another one of the kind of guys are clinging onto him.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Plays dragging them forward. Oh, lines coming up and pushing
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: them forward kind of play. So yeah, he's, he's really,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: he's really good, man. Like BYU is lucky to have him.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: He's a great fit. He loves it at BYU. And
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: so he's, he's playing great. And the future continues to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: be bright. Aaron Roderick said on a coordinator's corner yesterday,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: like we worked on this version of Baron summer, like
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: getting the ball out quick, being better priest, not being explosive.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't make a ton of bad throws. There
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: was one slant where he kind of threw it kind
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: of predetermined on a third and two where BYU is
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: in he just makes all the right decisions and his
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: legs are a massive weapon for him. He's trimmed down
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: just a little bit, but he's still a big dude.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: So I love it, man. Like I completely trust him.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: And he's shiny 14 and two as a starter, like
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: that is for the best. Is that good? I asked
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: our homies that stats perform this kind of national set services.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: And where does that rank? Like in the big 12,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: they said that's tied for first. with some of the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: best names you've ever heard, you know, Vince young and,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: and you know, some of these guys in the big 12, 10,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: so three. So he's doing great. Like he's, and obviously
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: he knows the weapons around him. Like he's got LJ Martin,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: one of the best backs in the country, a very
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: good defense, good special team. So the formula is working and,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: and if BYU has to rely on bear to win,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: they can win with them. If they make sure, Hey,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: don't turn it over and move the chain. So he'll
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: do that too. He can do it any, any way, man.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: I haven't paid much attention to what Colorado State is
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: or is supposed to be this season.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: They're not on Utah's schedule. They're 2-0 so far.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: But it's also one of those programs now in the Pac-12,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: obviously formerly Mountain.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: West team, that they have history.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: And BYU is one of these really interesting teams where, like,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: Colorado State, they look at Wyoming and they look at
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: Colorado as rivals. But they also hate BYU because everyone
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: from the old Mountain West Conference days hates BYU. I
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: don't know if any of the guys that, like, on
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: the roster, even on the coaching staff now, have those
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: feelings towards BYU. But certainly parts of the fan base do.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: Can you see that affecting the game in any way?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Not a ton. I mean, the fans will be excited
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: about it, but a bunch of BYU fans will be
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: there because it's a kind of mountain time zone game
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: where you get to play on the road. There's not
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: too many of those. So yeah, Jim Morris, the head coach,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: and he did a great job at UConn. Obviously everyone
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: knows him from, you know, NFL experience and then UCLA.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: He's 2-0 against BYU from his time at UCLA. So
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Cougar's trying to get a, get a win against him.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Two members of the staff have BYU connections. Matt, you
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: played at BYU. He's the Nickelbacks coach. cue up the nickelback.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Look at this photograph song going to break James, go
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: ahead and just get that ready. And then Matt Mitchell,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: the former BYU assistant quarterback coach, he's he's a guy
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: that BYU lost in the off season. He's the game
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: coordinator at CSU. And so during might need to do
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: a little of what they had to do in 22,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: when they played Baylor and Jeff Grimes had gone to
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Baylor the year after sometimes, you know, you have to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: change how you get a plan, but now that they
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: have the helmet communication, that's not as big of a deal,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: but I think the fans will be up for it.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: And he seems interesting because Yes. They played Wyoming and SU,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: but they've looked really good, very explosive on offense with
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: house Haney. Like he he's run for long touchdowns. He's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: passed along touchdowns, got some good backs and good They've
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: turned it over eight or given, given away only one time,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: taking it away eight times. So margin, they're really good
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: at that. That's where they could equalize a little bit
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: of it against BYU, but BYU has not turned it
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: over in two games. The Cougars do a really good
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: job of taking care of the football. And so I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: think if BYU kind of plays the normal game that
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: they play and they don't have anything go crazy where
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: they turn it over a bunch, they should win convincingly.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about the big 12 conference in general, aside
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: from Oklahoma state upsetting Oregon.
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  Speaker 4: It was kind of a bad weekend for out-of-conference.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: Play for the Big 12 Conference, but that Oklahoma State win,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: as shocking as it was, the biggest upset really in
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: college football so far this year, it kind of overshadows
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: anything that might have hit the Big 12 negatively, I think,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: in the non-con. Focusing on Oklahoma State and Oregon, I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: don't know how much you actually got to watch of it,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: but they lose to Tulsa, then they beat Oregon.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: Which team is the real team?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: And which team is the team that you've got to
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: worry about if you're playing them later in the year?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, how do we change our evaluation of Oklahoma
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: State specifically based on the fact that their ceiling is
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: good enough to beat Oregon?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Week one was weird. Like it was there, you know,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: tune up, I guess. I was like, how do you,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: how do you lose by 14 on runners? Could have
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: been more. They kind of made a comeback there. But
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: when you, when you beat Oregon and, and I know
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: the six goes away and you know, what are they
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: 21 or something? They, Oregon has one of the most
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: talented rosters in America, and they punked them.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 8: They put up 554 yards.
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  Speaker 3: This felt like old-school Oklahoma State, did it not? And
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: coming into the year, we knew that Mesa Maker had
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: come from North Texas, led the country in passing as
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: a true freshman, like he and bear Bachmeier were kind
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: of your two best true freshmen in the country last year.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: This dude ran for a hundred as well. I think
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: he had a 75 yard run the helicopter, John Elway
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: touchdown where he's flipping into the end zone. I mean,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: w what you saw there, if you see that the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: ceiling is that high, certainly you have to evaluate them
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: in a different way. And so they, they are very interesting.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Are they going to be a big 12 title contender?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they're one of the best three
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: teams right now, but you watch that game and you say, well,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: why not?
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  Speaker 6: So we.
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  Speaker 3: But certainly that wind tells you that the ceiling could
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: be really high. Now, what if Oregon just absolutely stinks
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: this year? We look back on it.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: We can do that later.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: But as of now, I mean, you got to respect
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: what the mess maker looks like the offensive player of
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: the year in the league moving forward. But again, it
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: was one game, but that looked pretty stinking good, man.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. And it is hard to judge.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: And that's, that's why I put this poll out today
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: because I was like, all right, in week two, this
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: is what we think. And then we'll look back on
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: it again in week four and week six, and we'll
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: probably feel differently about it. As far as the, the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: overall landscape of college football, you know, Michigan gets a
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: win over Oklahoma and Ohio state goes down and a
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: comeback from Texas. And, you know, just, it's been spectacular
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: so far. It's been a really fun season to watch
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: through only two weeks. Your biggest takeaways from the national landscape.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: That we need more Texas, Ohio state matchups, that it's
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: going to be okay with the 12 team playoff that
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: like we, we shouldn't, especially if it's tight. Like I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: know Ohio state got pushed down five, but it's like,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: they're still going to be in the playoff.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 8: Like, cause they can lose twice.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: And still be in. And, and that's fine. They, they
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: need to win and look good still, but like, it's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: going to happen.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I love that matchup that they had the sort of
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: scheduling courage to do. So not everyone does like Indiana
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: doesn't do it. You know, Notre Dame's not really doing it.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Although I love that they're coming to Provo. You know,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of SEC teams won't go play that game,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: you know? So I love the ASU played Texas A
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: & M. I like that a lot. So yeah, that
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: was one of my takeaways. And it's, it's early. It
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: just reminds me too, that like, I just, while BYU
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: is 11 in the AP poll and I'm looking up,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: you know, top 10 history stuff so I can be ready.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Should they get in next week? I just really don't
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: want to pull until October sometime, or even early November,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: you know, when we get the college football playoff ball,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: I realized it's for marketing and it makes it interesting.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: The win over Oregon means a little more because they
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: have that little six next to them, but just generally speaking,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: it just, it just takes a minute to kind of
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: see what everybody is. And I liked the, the, the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: AP poll pollsters had the courage to actually put BYU
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: over a couple of teams that didn't lose. They put
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: them over USC and Texas tech based on BYU. team.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: And so it's hard to really evaluate that and whatnot,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: but just college football is awesome, man. Like you said,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: we had some great games, some big upsets, some incredible comebacks,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: like Texas. I, I was watching the game in Payton
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: and my brother-in-law's I go to my house and I
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: was kind of entertaining my kids in the car instead
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: of watching it. And I turn it on and now
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: it's they're driving to win the game. It was like,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: what in the world happened? This is awesome. I wish
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: that Stark would actually talk to Holly row college football
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: is the best.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Uh, the, the fact that you're sitting at number 11
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: and if you keep winning, you know, maybe it's 10,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: maybe it's nine. I want to make sure I phrase
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: this the right way. I mean, some, some programs you,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: you have to get used to that. You have to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: learn how to carry that. And it feels like the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: recent success of BYU maybe has prepared not only the players,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: but the program itself, coaches and everyone else to kind
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: of be able to carry expectations that come with having
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: such a high ranking. Is it, is it the right
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: time for BYU to be in this conversation from that standpoint?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: Like do the players and the coaches and the school
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: and everyone know how to handle this in a way
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: that maybe if it were three or four years ago
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: would have been harder.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. It's, it's not this kind of, Hey,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: we're in the top 10. We made it. It's, we
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: need to make when the big 12 title game and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: go to college football playoffs, like this rankings cute and nice,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: but like, it doesn't actually mean anything because in the
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: last two years, BYU has been inside the top 10.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: There was highest seven in 2024. There was high as
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: eight last year and didn't actually get them anything relative
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: to those goals. And so, yeah, I think this team
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: is very weathered and seasoned. And if you're a junior
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: on this team, you've been in the top 10 for
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: If they get in next week or soon, three straight years,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: which is a cool, notable accomplishment, but it's not written
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: on the wall anywhere in the facility or written down.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: It's win the Big 12 and or get to the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: college football playoff. And so certainly those are means. on
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: their back and every team's going to give you their
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: best shot. And yes, you, you might be favored, but
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: it's about showing up and winning. And, and, you know, there's,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: there was a certain amount of humility given by losing
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: big to Texas tech twice, like clients, Taki and router
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: can others have said, Hey, humble and hungry is, is
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: the motto. And I think BYU is still that even
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: though the ranked 11, it's kind of different, like, you know, nine,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: when BYU beats Oklahoma and they launch into the top
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: 10 there, there was a certain confidence and swagger there,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: but like then Florida state comes in and smacks BYU.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you, you gotta show up and you gotta,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: you gotta do what you're supposed to do against Colorado state.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: And then TCU, even though they didn't look good against UNC,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: that's a big game because BYU is only one twice
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: there before. And now they got that number next to
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: their name. That always matters. You gotta, you carry that.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: And it's important every game you get, you gotta win.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: You can't, can't show up and just be Kansas at home. Oh,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: wait in 24, they somehow shocked BYU and that cost them,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: you know? So I think BYU is humble enough to
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: realize no, no, no, we haven't earned anything quite yet.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Speaker 2, do.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: You want to talk about how great the 49ers looked
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: at Australia against the Rams?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: Speaker 3, dude, they looked incredible. Were you surprised by that?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: Cause I thought, Hey, the Niners could compete here. That's
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: a good game. Like Niners are good, but the way
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: they kicked butt, down in that was unbelievable.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: I was really pleased with that. I, that was like,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: for me thinking of this Niners team and the age
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: of some of the stars in that I'm like, okay,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: if everyone's healthy, the ceiling for this, this squad is
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: pretty high. And I feel like they played very close
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: to that ceiling against a team that, you know, the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: Superbowl favorites, uh, So, yeah, I mean, like we've been
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: talking about, the general theme of all these conversations has
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: to be it's only a one-week sample size.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: But I was more than pleased, for sure.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. And, like, I mean, get up doesn't
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: help with this. I'm like, would they go undefeated?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: To, like, are they cooked?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you can't. I don't want any of my
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: relationships in my life to be that volatile. Like you
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: can't be that high and that low. Like we gotta
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: be in the middle a little more there.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: So NFC West is going.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: To be fun. You know, Sam Darnold getting hurt and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: certainly shakes things up for my Seahawks, but dude, Kyle Shanahan,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Sean McVay, Mike McDonald, like this trio of coaches and,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: and oh, by the way, Cardinals beat the chargers. So
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: NFC West had a very interesting weekend.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: Speaker 2, when you're watching Seahawks Cardinals this week, are
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: you rooting for, for Tyler Algier to have a great game?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: Even though it would be bad for the Seahawks.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: Speaker 4, Yes. I'm very used to this with Fred
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: and Puka, you know, in the, in the division, this
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: is a familiar situation. Yeah, no, no, no. Like Puka,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: I think was the Thursday night game last year. He
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: had like 200 yards receiving and two touchdowns or something.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: And then, and the Seahawks one, I was like, that
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: was the best of both worlds. That's it can, it
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: can function completely well both ways. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: Speaker 2 being back for the Niners.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Holy cow. I don't think he needs another downplayed to
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: be a hall of famer. Like I think he's, I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: think he would get in at this point. He's the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: greatest defensive player to play in the NFL ever from BYU.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: And he will become the second Cougar in the pro
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: football hall of fame with Steven. Like he is He
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: is repped so well. And it's wild that he was
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: an outside linebacker at BYU, and then he becomes a
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: middle linebacker and the best middle linebacker in the NFL.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: It's like what you play or do in college does
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: not equal the same thing in the NFL. And Fred
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: has worked super hard, and he's awesome, man. I'm super
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: proud of him. His first college interview was with us
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: on BYU Sports Nation. He was 17 years. and clean
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: shaven and, and just, just arrived on campus right before
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: fall camp. And now he's the best linebacker in the world.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: Like it's just been fun to see his progression.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: I'm looking at his college stats right now, 2014 to 2017,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: when BYU was an independent, he played 49 games in
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: a Cougs uniform.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: 49 games. He said, yeah.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: And now he's with the San Francisco 49ers. And, and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: he had, He peaked at 87 tackles. I mean, he
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: was a productive player. He's a good player. He wasn't
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: like the best player in the world for BYU. Like
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: he is in the NFL, but he was a good
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: player for BYU.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 8: And 2017 BYU was terrible.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Like he still, he still got drafted high, right? It's
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: not always like our team was good. Therefore we have
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: a bunch of things. Like it doesn't always work that way.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: Although I do think if you, I had a great
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: year this year, they could set the record for most
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: picks in a draft for BYU, which would be six.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: That'd be awesome.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: Speaker 2, Fred Warner had seven interceptions from the linebacker
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: position at his BYU career.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: It's pretty good.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: Speaker 3, Dude, his best one was at Boise state
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: where he basically toe tap down the sideline and it
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: looks like he's going to get tackled like five times.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: Go pull that one up. against the blue. And then
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: after the game, someone took a, someone had like a
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: still shot down the line and the, the physical white
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: line was not straight made spot of like the, the
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: Weeby line that he, he, he, he went down. That was,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: that was a gnarly play and gnarly game.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 8: BYU.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: I lost that game.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 8: I think.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: And I can't remember 2016.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: That was a wild one.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 8: I remember.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: October 20th, 2016, BYU's Fred Warner picks six against Boise State.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: This is going to make me feel weird because I
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: love Fred Warner, but BYU Cougars doing good things makes
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: me queasy, you know?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: Look at that.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Crazy, right? Oh, my gosh. How did he not get it?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: How did he not go out of bounds on that?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: When the guy tried to tackle him and he spun
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: out of it, that's crazy.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: .
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: That's really crazy.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: That's one of the, I think it's like a top
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: 20 defensive play at BYU ever like just to play
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: others are ranked higher because you're w we did a
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: top 100 play show a couple of years ago and
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: it was during COVID. And my favorite thing about it
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: was just figuring out which plays went where. And what
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: we learned is the greatest plays are great plays with
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: great context. That's a rivalry. That's a big game. That's
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: the last second thing. When you combine those two, that
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: makes like the plays that everyone talks about and remembers. Right.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: So the, I don't know that that plays like a
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: last second one and BYU lost that game. So it's
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: not like super, super high on the list.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: .
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  Speaker 4: Four is a weird number for a linebacker, by
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  Speaker 4: the way, Fred.
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  Speaker 6: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: When you wear a single-digit, you just run faster for
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  Speaker 3: some reason. I don't know what it is. Isn't that
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  Speaker 3: the case? When they made that the rule in the
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  Speaker 3: NFL a couple years ago, they're like, oh, yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: can go single-digit, whatever. It just changes the perception of
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  Speaker 3: the guy.
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  Speaker 8: It's kind of like if you wear....
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  Speaker 3: Like, like TJ Hawes, TJ is my boy when he,
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  Speaker 3: but when he wore like black shoes, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: does he look slower? Like what's going on? TJ is
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  Speaker 3: a quick dude. Like, I don't know whether what it
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  Speaker 3: is again, TJ is my guy, but I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the look, you know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's not.
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  Speaker 8: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Now I'm stuck on in a, in a rabbit hole
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  Speaker 5: of Fred Warner highlights. So I'm going to go watch
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  Speaker 5: some of those. And there's the Nickelback you asked for
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  Speaker 4: Wow. Jeremy, you're the man. Thanks for joining us, my friend.
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  Speaker 5: I've got bad news for you if you wanted to
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  Speaker 5: see Ed Sheeran and Macklemore together in concert. We'll talk
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  Speaker 5: the desk, so to speak. Utah native Trevor Lewis joins
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  Speaker 5: the Utah mammoth organization. This is one of the biggest
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: no brainers ever. A two-time Stanley cup champion is going
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: to be a video scout and a youth and amateur
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: hockey ambassador for the state of Utah. We don't have
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: homegrown NHL prospects historically from Utah. Trevor Lewis spent a
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: lot of his career with the LA Kings. He won
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: a couple of Stanley cups. He played 17 years in
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: the league and he is a homegrown product right in
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: high school.
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  Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 5: And Trevor Lewis, you have to hire a guy like
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: that to be part of your organization. Somehow makes perfect
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: sense for him to be an ambassador for youth and
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: developmental hockey here. And of course, to add his expertise
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: for the coaching staff as well, helping do some video scouting, man, 1,034
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  Speaker 5: games played with the Kings, the Flames, and the Winnipeg
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: Jets from 2008 all the way to 2025.
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  Speaker 4: Stanley Cup champion, if I'm not mistaken, with the Kings, right? Two-timer, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the reasons why we had NHL hockey
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: every October in the market, too, before the Mammoth got here,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: with the frozen fury, the King's home preseason games, because
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: he was on the King's roster. So a big part
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: of the NHL community here. Well, before the mammoth came
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: to town. So yeah, no brainer.
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  Speaker 5: He did play six games for the Utah Grizzlies during
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: the NHL lockout.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: He's the highest NHL draft selection of any Utah on
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: 17th overall back in 2006.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: Shout out and RIP to the Grizzlies.
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  Speaker 5: Also, he is related somehow to one of the best
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: female fighters in MMA history.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 8: Oh.
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  Speaker 5: This was in the dark ages of women's MMA. Jen
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: Howe is her name. And Jen was just an absolute OG.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: Only one loss in her entire mixed martial arts career.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: Long before Gina Carano and Ronda Rousey and Cyborg and
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: any of those people who popularized women's MMA, she was
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: like one of the sort of unsung pioneers. And we're
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: lucky enough that she was a Utahan and was at
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: the gym with us for years and years and years
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: and years.
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  Speaker 4: It was a big part of my early career. And
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: they're related. I can't remember if that's her nephew or
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: her cousin, but they're related. That's cool. So shout out
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  Speaker 4: to Jen and Trevor Lewis.
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  Speaker 3: Both.
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  Speaker 5: It'll give me something. Give me an icebreaker when we're
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: at a mammoth activity. And I can talk to Trevor.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Speaking of mammoth, we're going to get Jack McBain on
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: the show tomorrow.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: What?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: Just got it. Mammoth PR. sent an email to me like, hey,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: do you want Jack McBain on the show tomorrow? I'm like, yes, please. Yes,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: we want McBain. So, gonna bring the pain with Jack
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: McBain tomorrow at one. Also, speaking of MMA, did you
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: see this story about Jon Jones? And I'm gonna butcher
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: the other guy's last name.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: Say it right.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: Is it Islam Makahachev?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Close.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: Mahachev.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: Mahachev?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: So, they're They're upset over or Mahatchev is upset over
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: the validity of a win streak. I'm not mistaken here.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: So it's very funny because yes, he, he, so John Jones,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: a lot of you people know that John Jones is
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: considered to be the greatest MMA fighter of all time.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: He's very recently retired. He's, a monster, right?
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: He, he has one loss on his career record, which
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: was by rules disqualification. He threw an illegal elbow. He
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: was killing the guy. It was like, but most people
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: consider him the goat of MMA. And he's got a
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: lot of records for longest win streaks and championship defenses
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: and things like that. However, he did test positive twice
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: for banned substances. And that is where Islam, a hot
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: chef who is the right-hand man, the star pupil of
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: Khabib Nurmagomedov, who retired undefeated. Islam is considered the best
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: current fighter to weight class champion.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: And Islam is like, well, yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: Jones's records don't count because he was on performance enhancing
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: drugs uh here is the issue though guess who else
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: has tested positive in the past for performance enhancing drugs
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: yes everyone in their camp has at one point or
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: another so stop it can't trust a Russian no just
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: kidding we're not going there but uh I will say
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: this James xenophobic.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: I will say this also reading the ESPN article. Apparently
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: John Jones is saying like, come on, my no contest
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: doesn't count as a loss. I had 20 in a row.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: If you don't count that. Yeah.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, he.
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  Speaker 5: There's like four rules in MMA and he broke one
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: of the four. So, which by the way is no longer,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: it's a foul. When he committed it, it was a foul.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: It's no longer a foul in the unified rules of
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: mixed martial arts. So if that fight had happened today,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: it would have been just an absolute one-sided victory for
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: him with no foul, no disqualifier. So he's got a case,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: if you look at it that way. But also, people
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: don't give Jon Jones the benefit of the doubt because
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: he doesn't earn the benefit of the doubt because he
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: has always had problems off... off competition, out of competition. He's,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: he's like, it's not a good dude. And so people
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: don't want to give him accolades. Just kind of how
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: It's interesting to quote here from a hot chip. I'm
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: not denying that John Jones is one of the greatest
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: athletes in history, but he was caught doping twice. I
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: think that's why his streak isn't considered valid because he
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: went into a fight while on PDs and one that's
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: where a new count should have started.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: All right. I mean, I don't know.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: Also, And to be clear, it's very much the pot
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: calling the kettle black.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: That camp, like they are, look, they are monsters.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: And it actually bothers me that they take performance enhancing
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: drugs because they don't need to take performance enhancing drugs
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: to win. Like the Nurmagomedov camp, the Eagle MMA, whatever
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: you want to call it. They are a different breed
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: of fighter. Like you have to be top 10 in
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: the world basically to beat any of their best guys.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: And even then you got a less than 50% chance.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, they are terrifying and then they take stuff
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: and it's like, why did you take that? You were
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: going to win that fight anyway. It's like Barry Bonds,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: you were going to be a great hitter. You're going
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: to say, this sounds familiar.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: Alex Rodriguez, everybody, all the other great hitters, Mark McGuire,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: like you already were an all time. Great. So you
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: didn't need to do You didn't need to have performance
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: dancing drugs.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: And I know people get a little bit weird if
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: I spend too much time on MMA. So it's going
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: to be less than five minutes here, but it's another
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: one of those things, right? Where, um, when you're, when
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: you're testing, it's very, very easy infrastructure wise for me
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: to get tested when I'm in the UFC testing pool
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 5: or the PFL drug testing pool, they show up, right?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: They show up to your gym and they'll come to
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: your house and And your address is easy to find.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: Your gym address is easy to find. There are reliable roads.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: There's always electricity. Like it's not hard. These guys, a
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: lot of them live and train in Dagestan, which is
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: a Republic of Southwestern Russia in the caucuses where it's like,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: you're this weird isolated mountain kingdom. They don't have like
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: a frozen waste. It's like that guy Islam Mahatcha that you,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: that you're talking about. He's a two division champion in
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: the UFC. He's probably one of the highest paid fighters
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: on the planet right now. I mean, he's a multi multi-millionaire.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: He recently released a video of like, like an MTV
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: crib style. Like, Hey, this is my house. It is
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: literally like, A house that is built around a road.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: Like the only road that goes up the side of
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: the mountain basically goes through his garage.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: His house is built over top of the road.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: The only road that can access this town.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: And it's like a.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: Four-bedroom, two-bath starter home. And he's like, check it out.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: They're just built different, man.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: That's wild.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: They live at the top of a mountain, and all
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: they do is train and hunt and fish.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: That's all they do.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: So there's all these layers to the conversation about doping
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: and what those guys are doing, but we won't bore
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: people too long with it here.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: There's one last question. Is it true that his gym
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: is the barn that Rocky worked out in in Rocky IV?
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: No, that was in Siberia, a totally different part of Russia.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: My bad. Okay? Everyone knows that.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: I told you in the tease here, if you wanted
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: to see Ed Sheeran and Macklemore in concert, which I
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: would love to, I've got really bad news for you.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: I've seen Macklemore in concert. He puts on a great show. Oh,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: that's not the bad news.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: He puts on a great show. I've never seen Ed Sheeran.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: I love that little ginger's music. I would like to
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: see Ed Sheeran. Macklemore was one of the opening acts
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: for Ed Sheeran on this tour that he's doing right now.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: They were doing a, a tour date at Gillette stadium.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: home of the Patriots, Boston stadium. No, it's now Gillette.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's right. It's back to Gillette.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: Robert Kraft has said he gave Ed Sheeran an ultimatum.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: He said, you have to take Macklemore off of your,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: your tour because, um, Robert Kraft is, I didn't know this.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: Robert Kraft is Jewish. Oh, Macklemore at previous tour dates.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: He's been very pro Palestine and free Palestine and that
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: kind of thing. And Robert Kraft has framed that as
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: hate speech. And he says that my venue is no
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: place for hate speech, free Palestine to Robert Kraft was
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: hate speech. So he said, You can't perform. Not only that,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: this is Robert Kraft. This is how influential and powerful
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: he is. Like these are stadium tours. Robert Kraft knows
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: everyone who owns a stadium because he owns a stadium.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: It's like they probably have a group chat.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: And he basically went to everyone else and just like, hey,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: you got to take these guys off. So Ed Sheeran
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: was presented with the, if you want to continue doing
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: your stadium tour, you have to get rid of Macklemore.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: Who knew?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: That the thrift shop guy was somehow going to make
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: enemies of Robert Kraft at some point. And be blackballed
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: from any stadium tour for who knows how long.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: That sucks for Macklemore. And for Ed Sheeran. And for
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: Ed Sheeran. But also, you know what? I will also
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: say this. That totally within Robert Kraft's rights to do
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: that for what he believes. And something that's obviously very
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: personal to him.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: It is, and it's a way more complicated issue than
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: we're ever going to get into here on a sports
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: talk show. But Macklemore runs afoul of Robert Kraft and
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: gets kicked off the Ed Sheeran tour.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: I would like to see, like, I need to.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: Know if Ryan Smith is on that list of people
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: that Robert Kraft would call and just be like, hey,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: don't let Ed Sheeran have Macklemore at the Delta Center.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: Because I would like to see that show. Well, Dave
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: Blitzer's probably for sure. And the Millers are probably for sure.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: So he's not going to America First Field either. Doing
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: a concert at the home of RSL. What are we
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: going to end up calling the baseball stadium? You know what?
• 1:36:20
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  Speaker 4: of the program for sure. They're on it. They're on everything,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: especially locally. I would not be shocked if it's another
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: America first ballpark type thing.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: By the way, when do we get to start doing
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: this stuff that we did with the, the mammoth where
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: it's just like, Hey, what should we name this team?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: I saw some people doing it after the article came out, right?
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: After the athletic and everyone else was just like, Oh,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: by the way, just in case you guys aren't aware.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: It's Salt Lake city and everybody else for major league expansion.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: You guys are definitely the number one seat right now.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: I got excited. I saw people online getting excited. I
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: saw people putting out like the, the AI mock-ups of
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: uniforms and names like that.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: I could not love that stuff more.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: It's probably not appropriate timing on it just yet, but
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  Speaker 5: when it is appropriate timing, I want to do it.
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  Speaker 4: Cause I love that. Bring back the trappers, baby. That
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  Speaker 4: I would love.
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  Speaker 5: That would be really cool. By the way, as long
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: as we're talking about baseball and, I'm an idiot.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know this.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: I've been watching baseball a lot more casually for the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: last 15 or so years of my life than when
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: I was young and I played baseball and I was
• 1:37:30
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• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: we were the home of the A's and the Giants
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  Speaker 5: of time talking and watching baseball. I've definitely been a
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: lot more casual about it more recently. I don't know
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: why this slipped past my consciousness, but... Are you aware
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: that baseball players don't put their hands in a baseball
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: glove the way that the baseball glove is designed?
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  Speaker 4: Did you already know that? I did not know that.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: So I saw several articles on this because I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: The algorithm fed me something from a Yankees like black
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: tie event where like a red carpet reporter was like,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: all right, so tell me how you wear your glove.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: And most guys, apparently this is the thing, most guys
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: do two fingers in the pinky slot.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: And then they slide, like none of them put their
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: index finger where the index finger is supposed to be.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: To go. Almost none of them. So it's not quite
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: the live long and prosper, but it's close. Some guys
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: even do three in the pinky slot.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: And I looked this up. Is it better for their grip,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: I guess?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: It's apparently like it allows you better leverage on the glove.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: You can close it faster. So it's better for snatching
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: a ball. You don't just want to catch it. You
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: want to snatch it. It creates a wider pocket for
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: hard hit line drives and things like that, which protects
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: your fingers more.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 8: Uh-huh.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: I played baseball from the time I was four years
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: old until I was 15 years old. I'd never once
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: put my glove on in any other fashion than it
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: was designed to be put on.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: I didn't know this was a thing. Yeah, and I
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: played way less baseball than you, but I always wore
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: it like a glove. You have a hole for each
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: finger there. It blew me away. I was watching, and
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: each guy... answers it differently.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: Some people do like two, then one in the middle
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: finger and then one in the index finger. So it's
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: kind of weird. Some guys do like a Ninja turtle
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: kind of thing. Some guys it's, I had no idea.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: I thought everyone just slid their hand in the glove normally.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: So my, my oldest daughter is playing baseball right now.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: Do I need to teach her how to do it wrong?
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: Or do you have to get to a certain level
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: of baseball before you start putting your glove on wrong? 8, 7, 7, 3, 5,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: 3 0 700.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: Why am I the only person who didn't know this?
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: And we're trying to get the boy, my boy fast
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: track to a college scholarship. So he's starting travel T-ball soon.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: And I got it. Got to teach him this too.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: Does that, was that a dumb joke? Travel T-ball travel
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: T-ball would be it's too believable. That's why it wasn't
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: a good joke because I'm sure there are people who
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: just like, yeah, like, Oh yeah, my kid too. The
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: two year old league.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to find the video again so I can
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: tweet it out. The style is often called a finger shift,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: a claw grip, or a Vulcan because, you know, live
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: long and prosper like you said.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: Why players do it better closing power, a deeper pocket,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: and less sting. It protects your palm from the sting
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: of hard hit balls. Most outfielders and pitchers use two
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: in the pinky because they need to secure a catch
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: and and do not need to pull the ball out
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: as fast.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: Huh?
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: So infielders where normal outfielders and pitchers who don't typically
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: have to transition the ball to the throwing hand quite
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: as fast. Do a weird grip. That makes sense that
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: with what you described, it gets a larger pocket to
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: catch the ball. You'd, you would think you'd need that
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: more in the outfield than the infield. All right. Okay.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: Shout out. I, I had no idea. Maybe that's why
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: I was no good at baseball. Oh, see, I didn't
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: know that you had to change. As a Little League
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: right fielder, didn't know that I was wearing the glove wrong.
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• 1:44:39
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• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: sound from yesterday. Way Sean Parker, Bert Ficklin, running backs
• 1:44:46
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  Speaker 4: But let's get to that practice sound. Way Sean Parker,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: Utah running back. He's now kind of a receiver the
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: way they've been using him. quite a bit, racking up
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: the all-purpose yards, a lot of receiving yards the first
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: two weeks of the season. Here he is from practice yesterday.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: How you doing, Wayshawn?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: I'm doing fantastic, how about yourself?
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  Speaker 6: Good, man.
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  Speaker 4: I've told you, I only covered you back when you
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: were a freshman.
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  Speaker 8: Really? At WSU, yeah.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: Hey, look at that.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 8: Dickard days.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: Come a long way, both of us, huh?
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 8: So, no, we ended up in Utah.
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  Speaker 10: Who'd have thought?
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  Speaker 3: Who'd have thought? Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Wayshawn, you are tied in the country with the most touchdowns.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 6: You obviously have been doing it in all.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: Sorts of ways.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 6: How are you feeling about the season so far?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 13: I'm feeling very confident in the season, how it's going
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 13: to go. Seeing how everything's playing out, I'm thankful that
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 13: the quarterback didn't even give me the ball, so that's
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 13: all I'm planning to go out for.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 14: What was going through your mind when Bird threw that
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 14: deep shot on the.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 10: First play of the game?
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: We practiced it.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 13: I told him that he threw the ball up to
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 13: me just now I'm coming down with it, and that's
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 13: what he did, and I kept my promise.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Wait, Sean, what was, I guess, your.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 15: expectation of being involved in the receiving game this year?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 15: Obviously last year you were just kind of.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: A primary back.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 15: You made some plays in the receiving game, but this
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 15: year you're going to feature.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: Was that an expectation heading into the season?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Is that something that you knew you kind of had
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: in your system?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 13: I mean, I knew I had it since I was
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 13: raised up. My dad always told me that I got
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 13: good hands, so I told Coach McGibbon we had a
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 13: long talk, and he told me that he was going
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 13: to put me in that pass game if he's doing that.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Is there any backs in the NFL that you model
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: yourself after?
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 13: My dream back was Frank Gore. Right now it's Christian McCaffrey.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: How do you think the offensive line did last game?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: They did wonderful. They showed out, put their hearts to whatever.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 7: They did, and they did it.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 13: So they went out, they balled out. They made number
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 13: 35 a big problem, and Cedric shut them down.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 10: After a big win against a program like Arkansas SEC program,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 10: how do you kind of reset and refocus for the
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 10: next week?
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 13: I mean, it's just been the same. We just focus
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 13: on our next opponent. They're the SEC school, but at
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 13: the same time, we just see them as another team
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 13: that we got to play.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 6: Well, Sean, it seems like this team is having a
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: lot of fun on offense. Just can you kind of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: walk through what that is? means just to be able
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: to have that connection with everybody.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 13: It's very fantastic seeing everybody smile and have the chance
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 13: to achieve their dreams and what they want to do
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 13: is very great. And then Devin getting the ball to everybody,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 13: not just one person, it seems great. It seems fantastic.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 16: I know it was something you kind of expected to
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 16: have a good start to the season, but what's it
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 16: been like? I mean, three touchdowns in both games.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: It's got to feel good.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: At this point.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 13: I mean, it feels fantastic going home, seeing the recording
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 13: of how I did, but I feel like I can
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 13: still put more on the table. I feel like I
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 13: could have had a fourth touchdown, but it's okay.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: I'm still in for more.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 11: Utah State Aggies coming to Rice Eccles Stadium, not in
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 11: the conference, but an in-state matchup.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, what does that mean to you to just
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: match up and.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: Have maybe people from all across the state come to
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: Rice Eccles and see the showdown?
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 13: I mean, it's great seeing the opportunity. I just see
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 13: it as another team coming down. I see it had
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 13: a great matchup last week. They did fantastic. So I
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 13: just got to see them as another opponent.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: I can't look no lower.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 10: Where do you feel like you can develop the most
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 10: this season?
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 7: Just being a leader.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 13: I mean, I'm still working on being a leader. I
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 13: got that captain on my shoulder for a reason. So
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 13: I'm going out there just teaching everybody what to do
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 13: and how to do it.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: Will you have a passing touchdown by the end of
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: the year?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: Receiving, rushing, and will you throw a touchdown pass?
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: Hopefully.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 13: We've got to talk to Mac G for that one.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: That's Wayshawn Parker from practice yesterday. Love the question at
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: the end by our guy OC. Wouldn't that be something
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: if he got kind of the triple crown there? He's
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: obviously had some receiving scores already. Rushing touchdown. He's going
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: to have many Both of those, especially, I mean, the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: receiving's been a lot more of a surprise to start
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: this season. He's going to have a lot of rushing touchdowns,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: you'd think, too, as they start running back. Belkow running
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: back as well. It'd be something if he got that
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: passing touchdown. Maybe a trick pass from Weishan to Devin
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: Dampier in the end zone.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: That'd be something. The other thing that stood out to
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: me from that sound about three minutes there from post-practice yesterday,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: Weishan Parker, was... Jason Batacchio, Salt Lake Tribune, I believe
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: it was, that asked him his expectation as a receiver
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: this year and how, for us, he's already exceeded that expectation,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: certainly with how much he would be used as a
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 4: receiver versus as a traditional running back, handed off to him,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: kind of running back. He said, yeah, I believe. my
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: dad's always told me I've had great hands and I
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: have high expectations to be an all purpose running back
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: in that way. So, um, interesting tidbit there as well.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: Thought on Utah state, they did have a, the Aggies
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 4: did play really well against at that point, a ranked
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: Washington team in Seattle and jet fish and the Huskies
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: did everything they could in the last couple of minutes
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: to try to give that game away. By the way, unfortunately, uh,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: Aggies didn't quite have enough time to get into field
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: goal range to get that game-winning, what would be a
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: game-winning field goal, end up throwing that interception on the
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: Hail Mary. Didn't work out for them. But, yeah, they
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: had a great showing after kind of an unexplainable, not
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: kind of, a very unexplainable loss to an FCS team,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: Idaho State, at home in Week 1. Obviously, you can't
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: underestimate anybody if you're Utah. You don't want to be
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: like Oklahoma State was in week one, a power four
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: team losing to a group of six team in Tulsa.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: You don't want that to happen to you, so you
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: don't want to underestimate the Aggies, but obviously you expect
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: a big win for Utah at Rice-Eccles Stadium. We'll see
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: how much of a challenge the Aggies will be this week.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: You also heard from Bert Ficklin, the other quarterback, say
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: the other quarterback, because, yeah, he's the backup, but he's
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: featured heavily with Devin Dampier in the game, during the
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: game when Devin Dampier is still going. They haven't put
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: him in to pull Devin Dampier from the game, of course.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: So he's the other quarterback, more than he is the
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: backup quarterback. Bert Ficklin spoke to the media post-practice yesterday
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: Here it is.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: I'm having a lot of fun.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: More than I can explain.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 6: What would you say is like the best part of,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: I guess, watching this Utah offense unfold.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: And show the world?
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Seeing everybody happy, you know.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 12: McGiv has been really good on spreading the love between
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 12: each athlete. You know, you see BP touching the ball,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 12: Curry touching the ball. You know, Wade had three touchdowns.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 12: Daniel Bray's touching the ball. And it's kind of like
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 12: we're out there having fun and everybody's putting their athletic
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 12: ability on stage for the world to see.
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  Speaker 14: Wayshawn just said that on that first play, he told
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 14: you to just throw it to him and he'd make
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 14: the catch. What went through your mind on that deep
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 14: shot to start the game last week?
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  Speaker 12: I kind of, it was kind of expecting for them
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 12: to pull and run with BP, but it was kind
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 12: of who's going to take away on the backside. You know,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 12: they kind.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: Of forget how fast Wade is, how Wade.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 12: Can catch, and Way is a really, really great standout athlete,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 12: and he is a great overall player, whether that's lining
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 12: up in the backfield and playing quarterback. It sounds crazy
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 12: to what I'm saying, but Way is a really great athlete.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 12: So to see him be able to break down the sideline,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 12: it was kind of just give him a chance and
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 12: he'll go get it.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 10: This is kind of a dumb question, but how much
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 10: more do you have to pay attention to the calls,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 10: given your role? you're lining up all over the place
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 10: like how much more do you have to pay attention
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 10: to what's being called um.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 12: It's kind of we run the place so much throughout
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 12: the week of practice uh ran it so much in
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 12: spring ran it so much in fall that when dev
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 12: tells me the formation it's kind of like all right
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 12: bet let's go he doesn't even say the full play
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 12: he's just like all right we're in this formation all
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 12: right i know what the play is i know what
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 12: i'm gonna do i know the motion i know what's
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 12: gonna happen uh i know what to expect i know
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 12: what not to expect and It's kind of the thing
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 12: that McGiff has installed into us, especially with Gundy as well,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 12: installing us to play the play ahead, and that's kind
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 12: of helping my memorization of knowing the play.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 15: Bird, you and Dev have a close relationship that's been
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 15: talked about a lot, but just the unselfishness behind it,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 15: it seems like it allows you guys to both flourish
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 15: when you're on the field, celebrate each other's success.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: Is that a big part, just.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 15: why you stayed but also just why you guys are
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 15: able to have the success you are in the packages
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 15: that are brought out on the field.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 12: Yeah you know me and Dave always talk about each
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 12: other a lot it's always been good things but people
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 12: don't see what me and Dave do behind the scenes
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 12: what we do at practice what we do outside of
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 12: practice it's kind of always hey do you know what's
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 12: going to go on this week is there any way
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 12: we could switch this I mean it's kind of Bird,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 12: you can go to quarterback this time, I'll go to
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 12: running back. It's kind of deeper than what it seems
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 12: on the field. Our relationship is a lot stronger than
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 12: what it was last year. But we always try to
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 12: help each other be in the best position. I wouldn't
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 12: put Dev at an outside receiver to run a goal
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 12: ball and catch it. It's kind of, hey, you can
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 12: go to a slot and do this, and I can
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 12: be at quarterback. I'm going to go to the outside
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 12: and I'm going to do this. You stay at quarterback.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 12: I wouldn't want you to.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Be in that position.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 14: We saw that package with you, Devin gray and way
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 14: Sean on the field last week. Just what does that
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 14: mean for defenses? When you have all four of you
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 14: guys out there that can.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: Do so many different things.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: What do you call that? Yeah. What do you call it?
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 12: I mean, it's so many things we call it. I mean, it,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 12: we have a lot of different names for it. Um,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 12: especially about how we line up to it, to get
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 12: into that formation. Um, But, I mean, just to see
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 12: all four of us back there, it's kind of like
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 12: a crazy sight to see.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: It's something you never really see.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 12: But McGiv has been really good of playing around and
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 12: messing around with these type of things throughout spring and
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 12: fall that this became normal to us. It might look
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 12: crazy to y'all and like what's going on, but.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: To us it's kind of like, all right, let's go.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: It's a next play, next play, next play, next play.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: We don't think too much about it.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: So in the playbook, that option where it's, You as
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: the pitch man, does that also exist with Dev as
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: the pitch man?
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 12: Of course.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Dev is a tremendous athlete. People overlook what he can
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: do on the field outside of quarterback.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 12: But at the same time, Dev is the full-blown quarterback.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 12: And Dev is just a great athlete, so I'm happy
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 12: that we're able to switch that position.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: Bert Ficklin from practice yesterday. Yeah, that formation was absolutely bananas.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: Four guys in the backfield lined up in a line
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: like that. And then separately, different part of the game
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: that OC and the media were asking about at practice
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: yesterday where you had the trick play where Devin pitches
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: out to Bird before Bird tries to hurdle and himself
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: out of bounds there. Not sure the hurdle was the
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: right move, but hey, he's not hurt. Got a big
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: gain out of it. I mean, the stuff... that Utah's
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: offense is shown that they're capable of in these first
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: two weeks. And we're two weeks into the season. They
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: haven't shown, they haven't even begun to show everything that
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: Mac G's got up his sleeve as the offensive coordinator.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: Cannot wait for conference season to start in a couple weeks.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: They start out against Iowa State. We got the start
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: time for that yesterday, by the way. 1.30 kickoff against
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: Iowa State in Ames on the 26th. So that means
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: our pregame show with Porter Larson will start at 9.30 a.m.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: that week as well as this coming week against Utah State.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: We've got more sound up on the website. Actually, I
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: think we've got time to play this one as well.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: Mark Autuaya, running back's coach. You heard from Wayshon Parker,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: the star running back. Hear from his coach, Mark Autuaya,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: who brought him here from Washington State, of course, last season.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: Here he is.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: What does LaMarcus Bell need to do to rise up
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: the depth chart? We saw him in a big game
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: in week one, didn't get to see him as much
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: in week two.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah, just continue doing what he's been doing, helping the
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 11: team and servicing the defense and just continue learning. For
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 11: a young man, in his case, you know, a lot
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 11: of times we get thrown into the fire too early.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: And, you know, my experience has shown that we need
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 7: to kind of curtail that. So I'm hoping that he'll
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: continue growing in his current capacity.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 6: Wayshawn has had a pretty solid season, six touchdowns. in
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 6: many different types of ways. What's it like to be
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 6: able to see him develop, knowing that you've been with.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 10: Him the entire time?
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he's just showing what he could do, you know.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 11: He's learned three offenses in the last three years, and
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 11: each one highlights a different skill set that he has. Yeah,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 11: so everybody's just seeing what he can do now, so.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 15: He says, Wayshawn says he models himself after Christian McCaffrey.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 15: Do you kind of break down tape with him, with
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 15: NFL guys that are doing correct backs?
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 11: Sometimes, mostly for, like, if we were done with, you know,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 11: with the opponent for that week, you know, if we're
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 11: kind of just lounging around and, yeah, we'll watch NFL tape.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 11: But for him, yeah.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 11: That's a good guy to model. But he still has
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 11: a long way to go to get there, and he's...
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 11: definitely on track and I'm proud of his efforts thus far.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 17: Daniel Gray had a 10-yard run running through contact on
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 17: what looked like a fly sweep, if I remember right,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 17: and you on the sideline were really hyped, really excited
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 17: for him, and then it seemed like you were yelling
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 17: at him at the same time.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: What was that like?
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 10: Obviously, he's coming back from his concussion, but what was
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 10: that conversation like with him?
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 11: Well, Daniel has been, he's just continually grown and is
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 11: still on that trajectory and just seeing him, you know,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 11: in the increased capacity that we're asking him to perform in,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 11: he's been well. And, yeah, he got a little banked up,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 11: but he's come back strong, and that's what I've been
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 11: telling him. I say, bro, whenever you get in, just
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 11: play hard and go full bore, and that's what he's
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 11: been doing.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 7: So kudos to him.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 4: You've got quarterbacks lining up and running back.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 6: Are they spending any time.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: In your room?
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 4: Are you having to coach these quarterbacks up when they're
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: lining up as running backs and serving the goal of
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 4: a running back?
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 8: Nah, just the mesh parts.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 12: But, you know, they, you.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 11: Know, with Coach Gundy and Mac G in their room,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 11: you know, those guys are pretty in tune to what
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 11: they need to do.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: So, all good.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: All right, that's Mark Ottawaya, running backs coach, and I
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: guess sometimes quarterbacks coach when they talk about Devin and
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 4: bird lining up as running back and teaching them the
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: mesh there. So yeah, good thoughts on way Sean Parker
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: as well. Daniel Bray. Interesting to hear him talk about,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: you know, in downtimes, he, they absolutely, he and way
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: Sean Parker absolutely are putting on probably YouTube clips of
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: guys like Christian McCaffrey in the NFL, dual threat, running backs,
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 4: guys who can catch and run. Of course, Way Sean,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 4: you heard him talk about how he tries to model
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: his game around guys like Christian McCaffrey. He's looking a
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: lot more like CMC this year than he did last year,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 4: catching the ball a ton in these first two weeks.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 4: Exciting to see all the innovation that Coach Kevin McGiven,
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 4: Mac G, has brought to this Utah offense. James Peterson
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 4: shortly filling in for OC to end the show here.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: He had to take off and take care of a
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 4: personal matter. We wish him luck there. Should have Spence
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 4: Checketts do a little crosstalk as we lead into the
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 4: drive from 2 to 6, of course. He is back
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: today in the air chair. We'll also have tickets to
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 4: give away. We've got Five Finger Death Punch coming to
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: the Utah First Credit Union Amphitheater. Two tickets to give
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 4: away there. We'll give you a trivia question on the
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: other side. Also, stay tuned tonight for the Morgan Scali
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: Coaches Show, 6 o'clock, with the voice of the Utes,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 4: Bill Riley, right here on your home of the Utes,
• 2:02:21
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• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: with Spence and close out the show. Five-finger death punch
• 2:02:29
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• 2:02:32
  Speaker 4: James Peterson filling in just for the last little bit
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: here on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 2:02:45
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• 2:02:48
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• 2:02:51
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• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: Sean o'connell show wrapping it up james peterson finishing out
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: the show for oc he's he had kind of an
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 4: urgent matter to take care of uh so yeah i'm
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: pinch hitting for him. Spence check. It's we'll do a
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: little cross talk with him. Spence in studio today after
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: an off day yesterday, excited for that back on the
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: drive from two to six. We'll do a trivia question
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: for those five finger death punch tickets. That's bad company.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: We came in with from five finger death punch. We
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: talked about Trevor Lewis hired by the mammoth. He's going
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 4: to be part of the kind of the front office
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 4: coaching staff, a little bit of a role there. What
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: high school did Trevor Lewis go to? Obviously a Utah
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: native from the Salt Lake Valley. That's the only hint
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: you get, okay? What high school did Trevor Lewis go to?
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 4: Text that 877-353-0700. You get two tickets to see Five
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 4: Finger Death Punch at Utah First Credit Union Amphitheater next Tuesday,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: the 22nd. There you go. What high school did Trevor
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 4: Lewis go to who just was hired by the Mammoth?
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 4: No brainer hire.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 8: Guy.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 4: Played so long in the NFL, or NHL, excuse me.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: The hockey guy, pro hockey guy of the state here,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: at least at the NHL level. Won a couple of cups.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: Obviously did not have a chance to play for the Mammoth,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: but he is going to work for them here in
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: kind of a front office coaching staff role. Excited for
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: that for Trevor Lewis. Spence Checketts here. Again, back in
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 4: the air chair, 2-6 today. Spence, how you doing? We'll
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: do a little crosstalk.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: What's up, James? How are you, man?
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: Everything good? Everything's good. Everything's good. I guess we'll start there.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 4: Trevor Lewis, Utah hockey legend, now part of the Mammoth.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: Cool stuff there.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 16: Yeah, we don't have a lot of former pro hockey
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 16: players here. We're not going to do a ton of
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 16: Mammoth today. But yes, that's a very cool deal for
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 16: him and excited for them.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. What'd you think of the, I guess you didn't
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: have a chance to give your thoughts on the NFL week,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 4: opening weekend NFL, uh, your jets get a win over
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 4: the Titans.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: One down, three to go.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: One down, three to go.
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  Speaker 16: As I, as I was texting with my brothers over
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 16: the weekend, you know, look, the, the plan is still to, uh,
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 16: try to put themselves in position, uh, to draft a
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 16: quarterback this upcoming draft. I mean, look, you could do
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 16: worse than Gino Smith, but you could do a lot better. Yeah,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 16: especially at this point of his career. If you want
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 16: to be a serious NFL franchise, you have to have
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 16: somebody under center that you feel like can do something
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 16: special for you. But look, they might have the best
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 16: linebackers in the NFL. They have a good offensive line.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 16: Breesall's a good player. They're set up that if they can,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 16: they're going to do the jet thing, though, and screw
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 16: it up and win like six or seven games and
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 16: probably draft eighth or ninth or something when they should
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 16: be going all in on losing so they can draft Archer,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 16: Dante Moore, whoever they think is the next great NFL pro.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: The good news is there's a lot of good quarterbacks
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: that could go to the NFL this year from college.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: We think they're good now. We'll see if they have it.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, Kate Klubnick from last year, we thought he
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: was going to be a top pick in the NFL.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: He ended up having not a great year for Clemson.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 4: So that kind of stuff's going to happen this year.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 4: But the good news is it seems like it's a
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 4: deep quarterback class. So maybe even if you don't get
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: the number one pick, maybe the Jets can get a
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: good one. Robert Sala couldn't quite get his revenge as
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 4: the new Titans head coach over your Jets. Utah beating
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: an SEC team 2-0 against the SEC at Rice Eccles Stadium.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 4: I will say this. That Arkansas team, we were talking
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: about if OC's ready to say at this point, two
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 4: weeks in, it's going to change. But the BYU and
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: Utah best two teams in the Big 12 right now,
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: and he's like, who's the third? And I'm thinking, well,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech almost lost to Oregon State, but then I'm like,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 4: hold on. Oregon State's probably better than Arkansas. So this
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 4: is not a good Arkansas team, but Utah took advantage
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 4: and win 43-10.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 16: Yeah, Texas Tech has an issue under center. Will Hammond
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 16: doesn't look healthy. He doesn't look confident. But if you
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 16: give him another couple weeks and he settles in, it's
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 16: still Tech. I mean, look, I think through two weeks,
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 16: the two most impressive teams in the Big 12, our
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 16: utah and b y u i'm not ready to say
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 16: they're the two best teams in the big twelve though
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 16: tech is on that respect.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: But saturday night uh... if you stay up late and.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 16: It was a very late night was impressive in so
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 16: many different ways neither tackle allowed a hit or a
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 16: sack or pressure clean she would both both tackles ten
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 16: percent pressure it was allowed by the offensive line i'm
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 16: gonna continue to harp on the offensive line because we
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  Speaker 16: just don't know who they are yet but so far
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  Speaker 16: it's been impressive We, when we talked about this game
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 16: last week on the show, after I went back and
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 16: watched the entire Arkansas, North Alabama game, I said, I
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 16: think Utah is going to boat race them.
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  Speaker 2: I think I said like.
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  Speaker 16: 44 to 14 or something.
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty close.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: If we went back and listened to the audio on Friday,
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  Speaker 16: I could find the exact score. Twelve and a half
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  Speaker 16: wasn't close. And, yes, it's a compliment to Utah. That's
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 16: a bad football team. Ryan Silverfield has a long game
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 16: play ahead of him. The quarterback is not a good player.
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  Speaker 16: And I think it's A.J. Hill who got in as
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 16: the backup. He transferred with Silverfield from Memphis to Arkansas.
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  Speaker 16: And they've got Georgia this week. They're going to lose
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  Speaker 16: by a million. Like, I said this on TV on
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  Speaker 16: Sunday night. They're probably the worst team in the SEC,
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  Speaker 16: and I don't know how many Big 12 teams they
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 16: would even beat. I mean, I don't know that they
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 16: would be the worst team in the Big 12, but
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 16: incredibly unimpressed with them, but more than anything else, very
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 16: impressed with Utah. And as creative as Jason Beck was
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 16: a year ago, I don't know that I've ever seen
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 16: an offense like Kevin McGibbon is calling so far.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: You never know where Weishan is. Is he in the backfield?
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: Is he split out?
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  Speaker 16: And he was able to catch some passes out of
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 16: the backfield last year, but they've unlocked another level with him.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 16: The double option with Devin and Bird is such a weapon.
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  Speaker 4: That was crazy.
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  Speaker 16: It's such a weapon because you don't know what's coming.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 16: And the offensive line has looked really, really good. Defensively,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 16: Arkansas could not run the football. The starting defense gave
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 16: up three points. They scored a touchdown at the end
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 16: of the game that didn't really matter at all. So, look,
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 16: I know it's early. But when it comes to college
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 16: football fans, I'm never one to diminish the excitement. You
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 16: look at the way Utah's schedule is lining up. November
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 16: 7th is shaping up to be a game for the
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 16: ages because BYU has a pretty manageable schedule themselves. Big
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 16: test pass for them after Arizona took that lead into
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 16: the locker room.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: BYU turned their water off in the second half.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 16: And right now, if you're a Utah fan, As far
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 16: as what we know, you've been able to escape relatively
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 16: unscathed as far as the injury stuff. Over the first
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 16: couple of games, I like the in-state games, so I'm
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 16: excited for Saturday. It's going to be like a fun
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 16: early afternoon situation with Bronco and Utah State, who looked
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 16: a lot better at UW after losing week one to
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 16: an FCS opponent. So the early returns for local college
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 16: football around here have been extremely exciting, and so that
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 16: will kind of run the bulk of the show today.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely hate Spence. Good to have you back on the
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  Speaker 4: air today.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, James.
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  Speaker 4: Have a great show.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, buddy.
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  Speaker 4: Drive with Spence Check. It's coming up next, 2 to 6,
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• 2:10:46
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