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Construcción Plural - Programa 1142 · Construcción Plural - Radio Trend Topic

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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
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to it on radio train topic. For example. You know how much it
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' s worth a kilo of meat. Today I have the shopping. You
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don' t do everything. You know how much they take a minimum ticket.
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You don' t know how much minimum retirement is. Not xponents you
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know. I' m not telling you to see. You don' t
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know because you' re in the big lines or because you' re not,
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because I look at the numbers added. Yeah, so, like they
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did, of clear numbers I, so I look at aggregate terms, so
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I don' t look at the particular small numbers, that is, because
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o listen there you hear me well. Well, there' s a themist
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then with the headphones. I guess how about a very good afternoon, you
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didn' t hear anything. No Juan Just started now. Well, here
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we are how about good afternoon, with some delay on a subject. There
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' s fourteen- five auditions. Beginning my law inaugurated a bust of Carlos
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Melen, who defined how, although it hurts, he was the best President
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ever. When one chooses models and I told him models mayelo, liberal,
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neoliberal, corrupt, well defines one did not ask them. Juan in parenthesis
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that if he is not up to the south Edgardo Carranza, let' s
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call him, which is our first interview he saw. I' m going
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to tell you that you' re listening to this perfect connected Carranza in a
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little while. We will be with Alejandro Peyrú and, if everything goes well,
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we will close with Dr Juan José Goresti. A little dollar. The
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note is a bit of a thousand forty thousand sixty, at last alarmed by
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the activities of Russia in Antarctica, always very pro- Western, says that
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it focuses at this hour on philosophical alert, that it invests to win inflation.
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Today, at four o' clock the inflation data is known with the
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government celebrating that there is going to be only one digit of inflation, something
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that also got masses exactly one year, the data from April last year.
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Not well, we' ll see what line I have, Edgardo Carranza is
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going to be a long time taste. It was a long time to greet
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him again, Don Eduardo, good tares, begging how he walks, Edgardo
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when I connect to the headphones. I can' t hear Juan I'
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m sorry. Not good, and but I' m going to listen to
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an interview to see this carranza now, Edgardo, not well, we'
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re going to have more, we have a complicated afternoon. Good to see
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I told them today' s course at the beginning of Carlos Carranza, then
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Alejandro bru two former columnists, who after a good time, friends of the
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house, will be with us again to close with Dr Juan José Guaresti.
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The afternoon' s gonna be a morning cover. It will have to be
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old not for newspapers, but well this cool day, with just thirteen degrees
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six. At this moment and when justice, because the days were closed,
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revealed a distorting piquetera network, the other news will be that of inflation rate
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that he gave to beyond a digit, beyond that it is well. There
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was no truth about the prechos, in fact, but it also gave him
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a digit, so it is the expectation of the government also now and then
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to walk in Máyo by five or six percent, where Edgardo Carranza listens to
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me. Yeah, yeah, I hear you about an afternoon, how it
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' s been so long. My friend. Well, here we go again,
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again on the rail issue, what we' re going to do now
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I' m going to the railways, but I' m going to a
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news report before the day to see my law. A few minutes ago he
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just opened a bust to Carlos Menem and said although it hurts them, he
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is the best President ever. I say that one' s elections also characterize
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us not if I put model to a neoliberal president, but at the same
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time very corrupt. Let' s say this I don' t categorize myself
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a little bit or in this case my law looks at the subject this let
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' s say. I don' t do it that amenem Nor did I
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turn after all the Peronists, because I was at a certain time in Congress,
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at the beginning of the year eighty- four, and there I saw
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how Congress worked. You saw the arrangements, but that it is one thing
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to talk among the deputies to reach a conclusion that favors the country and the
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other is to divide things as if they were house shares of each one of
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them, of the governors. And all this, then we get to the
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point that when Nestor the Presidency fell, after all the failures that there were
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in the two thousand one, came Nestor after, Cristina, then Cristina And,
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well, when Nestor died in the end, he began to see all
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the disasters that were in the business. They were organizing and organizing themselves and
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it was done to top it off. Cristina said good to the guys in
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the champagne, I' m going to give you the Argentine vineyards and the
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entire airport system of all the aviation. Then there they went in notice that
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when the start of the champagne in Argentine airlines was recalde, I was from
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Pedro, I was here chilo, I was the financial economic manager of airlines.
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They were all there, they all got in there and began to deal
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with the issue that was apparently solved in some way because Nestor had resolved in
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the two thousand seven that the renegotiation of airports would get the air force out
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of the way and take it into his hands. And well, after you
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know all the times you asked an equian to pay the canon, pay the
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canon, which was actually I' ll give you the renegotiation if you pay
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me. And good. And well, the point is that we say over
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time, the famous pendulum where we are mounted, all Argentines. It went
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to the left and more and more to the left, to the left and
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more and more choleo. And, well, the time came when you had
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to choose between mass and Milay. I assure you that. I told Bullrich
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because I met her in Congress and she was one of the most correct people
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I found in that place. So, I mean, the idea seemed to
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be all of us understood that in the Balotash it was mass or millal and
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then the tendel took it unintentionally to the other end. Now we are at
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the other end and then we were already hoping that this suffering that we were
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all suffering will see if it can, that it can focus and that it
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will go down to a middle place where State assistance to vulnerable people can be
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effective. So, if you think I like it, Miguel, I don
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' t like it. I don' t like the things I said either.
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I don' t like his extreme leadershipism either. But what choice did
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we have? But the only thing that the milleismsla of change is with this
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figurine. The change was the only one I say between those two candidates.
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Yeah, but let' s go ahead. It' s the only way
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possible. Let' s say alternative, There can be no other, a
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more moderate change, a change of center, one can think of it as
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one. You have to think about the variables that they want to reach us,
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the quinerists and libertarians, that they are one or the other. If
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there isn' t a third variant, a third social Democratic option, a
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radical Peronist alliance, or whatever it was or I don' t know the
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challenge or more, but whatever it is, but now, but now it
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' s already that you won the elections or the idea of trying it in
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Congress to go to the center. But of course, to see the books
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and the books tell you two more, two are four, that is,
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the kind of rice and said good here we have to go deep. I
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imagine that, if you believe more, you would have been President on this
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occasion, Peronism eats it and the governors eat it Peronist, they eat it
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Macrie, but why and why they ate it to Macrosmism, to my law,
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which has even not the niquilator, which is unclear, has no governors,
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etcetera. But the most logical proposal there was was Bunrich' s.
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But you know what happens that the pregendaries, famous predendaries told you not to
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come here. I might win more here. Then they turned around and,
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well, people began to see mostly the youth they haven' t met,
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started turning to Miguel And well, now this happened. I mean, this
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is like it' s always about taking up arms, taking up arms.
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People took youth, took up arms, rebelled against it with the right-
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wing performance cake. There is no edgar from a business caste of someone you
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know me well and I think you mentioned when passing from Luard Dornequian rice to
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Elstein. There is no business caste that supports my law. I' d
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say it' s held for now, because of the first thing that had
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them before, they were to Amcree, before they were to Menem. Yeah,
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yeah, well,' cause out there, but that Miley has got
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him those corporate joints, too, which gives him a lot of games of
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his own. It' s a lopit to an abusider and so on,
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he' s been Runekiane' s man. You know. Surely there'
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s history coming or business people put economists on the table, they take it
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out on screens. That moment the most analogic television Milay was a case to
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speak in favor of his interests, to criticize Magria at that time because he
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did not give him any concession already and so came my law. This point
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to my law is not an outsider. It was as we say that put
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imposed at that time Renekian on screen. He had a barbaric success and so
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on, but he started out from there saying that he' s an excider
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that they have no commitment to the business caste or business class. It seems
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to me that it is a dislate that we say the business caste that is
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not managed by love of people or the protection of people. They handle the
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numbers. Of course, yes, yes, and while not everyone has,
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for example, the field, the field to listen to me. I'
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m retired. That' s not true. My retirement is enough just to
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give it away. The prepaid tertio thirty- seven percent in what lost thirty
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- seven percent in the five months of my law. Yeah, then I
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make the sacrifice. Let' s say mandatory,' cause no, I
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can' t run out of prepaid. Then why. Because the lords of
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the field say well, let us make others of sacrifice. We' re
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also going to put a year that a year if you want, as I
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said in them, of losses and want that or the big exporters or the
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PRCTF. Well, then those things that got unsettled and brought them back to
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their bed in the books. As the books indicate, it is the bestiality
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that is happening now. But no one, no one looked so much,
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you saw that I was there. I was on the subject that the train
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crash was looking. When I was a witness in the case of eleven,
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don' t look at it yourself. In the two thousand two, Kishner
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declared the railway emergency came forward. Ten years later, in the two thousand
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and twelve, true with the theme of eleven, they quickly went out to
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buy new trains. Randazo ran away, bought the trains. All this,
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those trains, those trains were insured, they said, for fifteen or twenty
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years the spare parts. However, now there are no spare parts, that
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is, ten more years, two thousand twenty- four. Those cars have
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no spare parts and you can' t appeal to the national industry, because
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when the Toshiba were there and the Japanese' obligation to send spare parts was
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already undermined, small enterprises began to emerge here to make all those spare parts.
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So, in the two thousand and twelve, when the trains were changed,
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that whole industry went out and now we' re going to have to
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start over with doing the answers here. Besides that someone was watching on TV
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that there was a pickup truck that was going to retreat and came out very
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loaded that took away the bullions, took things away, the answers. It
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' s hell. Let' s say, they changed governments and everything is
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the same. Now they are going to vegetate again in the railway emergency and
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notice that those who are now in front, for example, of the CNRT.
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Fabianie Falán is the transport safety manager. He was the same one who
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was in the cause of Eleven who was in the CNRT, and now he
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' s the manager. Before he was there in Eleven in his office the
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day the train crashed and he was the one who ran to see the head.
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This man was in the CNT and he was managing the CNRT. Yeah,
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of course I was in two grand in Onces' s suit and now
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they' re in the locks. No, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, Like, Perito, how it' s
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on the reel, but if you' re interested because you' re at
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RT dinner, how it' s going to be expert. Well, because
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in the two thousand and twelve the judge cited him as an accused, let
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' s say the president of the NRT, but Falan was his right hand.
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Okay. Now I' m managing them and today I called the MRT
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to ask if they had a retired office. So, we have an office
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in retreat. Well, perfect. Then I call and I want to talk
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to transport security. Then it says good. We passed him to the engineer
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' s office. Again you fail that after eleven I found him in a
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graduate course that I did on transport safety. He was there to learn said
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that the things that gave two thousand that what happened in eleven did not happen
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again are all even heard the president of Lona was like as president of Argentine
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railways Adita is called Mr is Accountant, and that it was a month ago
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as president of the Orna and he was alone And now he was appointed two
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vice presidents and the first vowel to help him, because he has no idea
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where he is sitting. Then you saw questions. Let' s say my
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law is handled as if they had already made all the changes and all this
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has no people, and then all those who are down and have participated from
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that time fraught with relationship with the dealers back will be my law handled without
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people for impericia or because it wants to destroy the state, which is a
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criminal organization. Well, there are so many places in the public mestauation without
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gennar and you don' t care and I don' t care. And
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then they pass. These things can happen, which was a minor tragedy within
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everything there were fatal victims. A or it can happen in the air transport
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or on a route without investing more in calabros, in recent years not even
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talk that in our discussion. I mean, there' s like a policy
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of not covering the state with a lull. The thing is, my ga
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thought he changed his heads, he didn' t change them. There are
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many schisnerists clinging to the INDEC owner' s or macist. The bath down,
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yes, yes, is full of paint and, for example, in
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the Ovnia it was said that seven had put it in mass and I thought
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they would leave it because it was very favorable to airports to the company,
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but they did not take it out and put it only five months after assuming
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the life that, fortunately, escaped the responsibility, because he was the main
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responsible until that moment, until it went good. I have to fire him
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Edgard for the water. The final then and soon I hope we can continue
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it. The accident of the other day has to do with the disaster of
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the last few years, it has to do with the lack of investment of
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these five months of Milay is also a mix and that we are in danger.
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I reiterate that tomorrow on a route because they are not invested in route
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arrangement or commercial air transport or whatever we might have some kind of new,
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some accidents, but we call it the tragedy because of the lack of investment,
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because of this of the deficit of the super habeits and of no money
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and other looks. The point is that the shock that came out didn'
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t hurt anyone, but the people who should fix their lives, who solved
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it in a certain simple way, don' t turn that one before the
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station at more than 20 kilometers per hour. And why wasn' t it
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done to forty to fifty. I don' t know, I don'
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t know, because you saw what they say when he turned around, he
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didn' t realize that he' s going to the locomotive stop and he
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says to me my brake and clear of the kinetic energy and what I already
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boom and tell you that you understand yourself, but what I had to do
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is make that barary, that is, look, for example, when the
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Buenos Aires subway decided to fix the signals on the subway b closed them for
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two months. What you should have done closed ber. He steals the wires.
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Well, I don' t know I' d put a guy in
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there or anything to defend you. But if the cable is cut and there
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' s no sign that the men pass by, that is, the ABC,
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the motorists lose it, because the union is still the one that handles
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the issue with the drivers. Then the union joined with the Ministry, added
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with this for those and my law entered and put Pietrovelo nothing more than to
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see how he did to solve things that, evidently, that woman is overtaken
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and I don' t know what else I should have done. And all
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this good, but in the case of transport, the issue, if there
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is no maintenance, if there are no controls, we are lost. Well,
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Edgardo, thank you very much, okay, see you, see you
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together. Abrazo, Grande Edgardo Carranza, here, man of adepaud of the
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rencion of defense of the user, the consumer, in the city of Buenos
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Aires, here in plural construction, an old columnist, an old acquaintance of
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mine was this is my marriage, Don Ricardo Carranza, and a few years
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already we had it. Here in plural construction. After the pause we see
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and hooked Alejandro Peru, who would be another returned, not as it is
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known, as guest with Alejandro Pelliz, with whom we prepared. I'
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m ahead of you in principle looking very early. This mercrece fifteen within two
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Wednesdays of the myel Press twenty- nine, a nice debate, a Peirú
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crossing, Monteverde. We did that years ago. Monteverde, Peyrú, a
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cross- section of debates on economic issues. Now the pause with Juan and
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we' ll be right back. We remind you that you can find us
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on social networks, on our website, where we extend our journalistic work.
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We find ourselves on Twitter, under the Nick Arroba, boarding, on Instagram.
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Fer M two thousand twenty- two. Fer M de Fermaury two thousand
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fans of the beef, an Argentine passion and wins incredible trips and prizes for
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you and your colleagues of the collection found the bases and conditions in Argentine meat,
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org ar plural construction led by Fernando Mauri by Radio Trento. All right,
27:45
all right. He' s moving away from Peter in Lunnian. Not
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yet. No. No, we' re not making perfect quiet. Okay.
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We will then, as I told you, return with Alejandro peyru and
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it is the debate with montager planned for within Wednesdays. We will close today
27:56
in principle or with Dr Wareste, with the audios of Alejandro Rosman and we
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have a week loaded and remember that Thursday we are at 3: 30 to
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recover the day of the strike that we were not after was downloaded and very
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high. With Graciela Romeri and Eduardo Fidanza, very good interesting voices in pluel
28:11
construction and tomorrow we open with Waim and close with Don Gustavo Ferrari Wolfens.
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They are here in plural construction, transiting from already season twenty good to see
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review win them quickly. I' ve got it in Peru. Well greetings,
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then I review quickly. Torsions, aidings, justices are I don'
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t know about social movements in the nation anymore on an evening pretty with sun
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but fresh fourteen degrees. King Juan Carlos Trafiero is his son, the position
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of the army chief says channel twenty- six. Here, b Liboni,
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I have a clean and intelligent left consciousness with all this distortion, plans and
28:49
flames on chronic GTV. In twenty- six years they never gave us any
28:55
help. Hence the terrible floods are being lived in unfortunately, in a cordium
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between Rio and that also derives from Puerto Alegre, that major disaster in Brazil.
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In southern Brazil, I' ve seen the toxicological peridicia to your son.
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He' s not a cop, not on the 24th and finally,
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in tnni to see well, he' s not with the tarancito. Well,
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they' re with the titles. Well, Don Alejandro, but there
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were about three, my friend, how he was doing so long, later,
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how' s it going. All right, thank you for being there
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preparing for me to announce in principle, let us hope that there will be
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no change for the high- level economic debate, which will be a re
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- training, something you have done years ago here in prural construction, with
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Don Agustín Monteverde, planned or scheduled for at least fifteen days. Wednesday,
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29th. Okay. Ah well, there was a modification. Yes, there
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was a modification. Which means you' re not so attentive to whatsapp over
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the years and so on, but yeah, that' s the last hour.
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It' s called attentive as before. I sent it to him.
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I sent it to him yesterday Wednesday twenty- nine. People when it'
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s easy for me to run. I know why I thought it was the
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same thing as before. No. No, Mr Monteverde didn' t ask
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me. We' re moving into the building kitchen, plugging into the air
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behind the curtain in the beginning of Wednesday twenty- nine. Well, I
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' ll tell you a little bit. How can you see it' s
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been a long time since we talked? How Argentina Sees Today my law has
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just paid tribute. I should have had a taste if Carlos Menem didn'
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t have it and that' s great because he was a president, but
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he talked about what was the best president ever. Even if we do not
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like it, he has just acknowledged that the signing of the May pact could
30:25
be postponed. He' s very conciliatory. If not that May will be
30:27
in June. Julio. He said how you see the country of my law,
30:30
meanwhile praise of the musk and so much praise to Carlos Menem, for
30:33
example. What do I think? It seems to me that the Government is
30:42
encountering the fact that the population is no longer having the hope it had before.
30:48
It seems to me that there are many people who, after all after
30:53
the march from college, did not begin to change to r in any other
31:00
way. Or you see it on the Internet. The world as new today.
31:06
There are more and more people who protect who become aware and at the
31:14
same time are remarkable. Not because there are many executive projects that are increasingly
31:22
less justified in terms of development and social health. I' m talking about
31:33
big projects, these are the profits for investments of more than one hundred thousand
31:41
ten that they are. It' s a 30- year- old nonsense,
31:49
practically without paying taxes. There are things left over that guarantee of investments
31:52
with the cials and it is held up so it was not necessary. But
31:57
all in addition, without counterpart, no, without the need to invest a
32:06
mango in investment in value added in the country, simply things seem to be
32:15
just extractive things and there seem to be owners and chosen or interested. How
32:22
it looks to me. It seems to me that I eat the last forgiveness
32:25
that I didn' t pernally understand you anymore don' t forget that I
32:32
said good, not important. Not who are interested in the business caste that
32:38
is the subject of some dnu and some of this is said, then,
32:42
to do some private legal study, who drafts. No. I don'
32:47
t know the legal studies do what I told you some powerful entrepreneur has no
32:54
important and not in the editorial. No. No. That' s why
32:58
the first is because of the smallness of a company. Yes, yes,
33:01
yes, yes, remil funes who was a partner the school boy said no,
33:09
but I didn' t go. It must have been someone in the
33:12
studio. So it' s reasonable, how important they have, who does
33:15
the trouble to whom it serves. Yeah, sure, yeah, yeah,
33:20
because I hate it doesn' t have it, because it' s not
33:25
about being against profits for someone to make some big investment, profits have to
33:32
be doomed. There are not many experiences in Argentina and about those things.
33:40
Before Silvar several such proportions were made that did not give or were wonderful,
33:46
Alejandro, but on what is more important we talk about politics, on what
33:52
is based the strength of Milayamos one leg, obviously, is that of the
33:57
public opinion that you interview, that begins to change a little social humor or
34:00
patience, hope. It is not also based on a support, partly externally
34:05
and partly internally, of a certain financial and business power, Ernequianstein, Rock,
34:12
etc, etc, but this of creating that a loquito, an outsider
34:17
came and only with his power or his ideas turns the board. Looks a
34:22
little naís. Sounds like interpretation to me. If we don' t see
34:25
what' s behind Milay to a large extent. No. I think they
34:29
' re cooking a few things you can' t see. It' s
34:35
like someone else says, it' s multi- cause the pound. Which
34:39
no one can despise is that there is a collective subtraction since the last one,
34:51
since Cristina Macri, Alberto and Maps. It' s a massive stay
35:02
that reaches everywhere. I reached the richest, the most furious with engineering and
35:08
close to the poorest people of seriousness, even ancient Peronists, ancient families.
35:19
But in these things that great is there first is that situation, which is
35:24
the lack of responsibility And to the voters of their own, the lack of
35:30
responsibility towards the whole of the country. This has been very strong and that
35:35
is a lot of question my invention that are caste. But in any case,
35:43
the caste that I know is not about the political leaders, but the
35:49
entrepreneurial powers that corrupt. It' s the media that shut up in their
35:58
mouths. It is a system in Argentina to hold responsibility. That' s
36:05
clear. Not good, he focuses on politicians and picketers. Let' s
36:08
say everything else, you say business. Well, the archanists in a house
36:13
even though they don' t throw a lot of list, the bankers,
36:17
the journalists are excluded from the caste. There' s no class, there
36:20
' s no class issues. That' s the guild. They put the
36:24
journalists, the journalists, in bed too. But my own experience in the
36:30
time of the coffee maker or a secretary of publics. In the week they
36:37
made us money so entrepreneurs in the first week. I didn' t go
36:47
to order the most. Then, in addition, a function, which simply
36:52
demonstrated that they were all well- connected. But a band, personal jemplo,
37:00
has a band forgiving, has a band, a band that the entrepreneurs,
37:06
which could be some conception, were all interconnected. Some of us gave
37:13
them mud to get out of there, because we never eat dinner all the
37:17
time. This happens, this is easy. It shows the massivity of certain
37:28
systems. But there' s another issue. There are a couple more issues
37:34
that are possibly more important. There is global growth of large economic corporations.
37:46
They are no longer the great capitalists of the middle of the 20th century.
37:52
They are now immense corporations that include media management, finance, industrial companies,
38:00
and so on. Yeah, they have a lot of power and they use
38:05
it. Black Rock, for example, buyabono opens in Argentina all the cute
38:14
and presses to achieve search is better. She also owns communication. And there
38:20
' s a campaign you watch movies on TV, good at movies and there
38:29
' s a waste, there' s an attempt at general disparagement of politicians.
38:35
I have no doubt, because it is an important part that deserves it,
38:39
but they do not differ from the good and the bad. Politicians are
38:45
the bad guys. Entrepreneurs are the good guys. Politicians are the only bad
38:52
guys. I mean, I can tell I' m exactly not, but
38:55
they' re the bad singles and they' re all just, besides,
39:00
they have nothing to do with it. The same thing happened in Argentina,
39:05
in the United States, in France, in Germany, especially in the ultra.
39:09
Cop Deicho is very transparent in all of this. The second issue is
39:16
not, but to keep in mind that this issue is going to grow in
39:22
powers in the future, because there is, I see, no way globally
39:30
to put limits on the big corporations that, besides they are interested in mastering
39:39
democratic parliamentary systems, because there are problems. It is the democratic parliamentary systems
39:49
that are neither scuttled nor the Chinese. They don' t mess with the
39:54
Chinese, they don' t cheer up. Now, as far as the
40:00
Democrats are at Hackley Stars, they' re being criticized all the time.
40:05
He criticizes them all the time. Well, but the power of these sectors
40:09
is growing, so I think the future is going to be worse. But
40:14
to a lot of other things. It was one thing to bequeath the papers.
40:20
Fifty years ago there were those who were against the system that fifty years
40:25
we say in Argentina, in anarchists are communists or socialists once there is the
40:31
disk. I say more fucking years, a hundred years wrote diaries, believed
40:39
articles, had to create diaries. He had to have nodes, because there
40:44
were reasonings. I could disagree. Now don' t get that Now there
40:54
are feelings that bombard you. There are sensitive images that make that when emotion
41:00
more than with reason, not with reason anything, with n nothing more and
41:05
ado producing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, sorry about
41:13
those who have good invincibles and the bad ones. I want to set an
41:16
example. It' s been several years. It appeared in all media maybe
41:22
they remembered. He showed up in all the media maybe. You remember some
41:30
pictures of a little boy about three years old, drowned dead on a Turkish
41:36
coast. Yeah, sure, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, as we remember,
41:39
yeah, yeah. The photographer saw it here by an ocher to protest
41:50
against the selfishness of Europeans who did not let in those who escaped or from
41:55
Arica' s countryars was not there. They ran it, you know,
42:06
ran the little guy was moved to be in a techno instead a dead little
42:13
boy. Yeah, well, this is a silly example, in fact,
42:20
in the worst way of a guy who had good intentions Yeah, yeah,
42:25
even with a good end. Of course I was going to tell you a
42:28
good end. This is the system you use. It' s the spectacularization.
42:31
Yeah, yeah. I usually say some grandchildren or my children when he
42:39
made a news that sensitizes you for some reason distrusts well, it is good.
42:50
That definition is good because, yes, it makes the milk psibilized.
42:54
Yeah, I gotta leave you the one. We followed and talked on the
42:59
private line on the 29th. Please, about Monteverde, also by this route
43:01
time about four o' clock in the afternoon, maybe later I' ll
43:06
remind you that quiet. But good. Thank you. Hug Grande Alejandro requested
43:10
in plural construction. We' re going to search right now without a batch.
43:14
He has watched the production to close Dr Juan José Waretti' s program.
43:16
There he reminded him of the phone to see if we have it to
43:21
close these last sixteen and seven minutes as Peru Loder remembered them Wednesday twenty-
43:25
nine, which is the last date of the debate, which is a debate
43:30
we did years ago and here on Radio trentop and or I think also radio
43:34
culture with the two friends of economists with very different visions. How interesting about
43:37
corporations, what the media also handle. Obviously, he does not see one
43:39
in a strong publishing house of the nation and represents a factual power. We
43:44
' re not talking about big corporations. He' s good at the emotional,
43:46
in the communications, in the movies, and he said it exactly.
43:49
This is not a defense, Peru is political. Someone I say is a
43:52
defense of the political classes. No, but the only thing that' s
43:54
stuck with politicians is when it' s a managerial and general problem, business
43:59
politicians, although journalists who communicate EVAs well, I don' t have lines
44:02
from others, Juan José Gores, which is a pleasure of taste, Juan
44:05
José, to close the program. Good afternoon, how are Fernando doing,
44:07
very well, very well, sorry come very well, good to hear it.
44:12
Well, you want to put out of those ties once again the role
44:15
of Parliament, of the Congress of Nations. So, that' s how
44:19
I' m proposing that you see something that nobody touches. The point is
44:22
that everyone saw the blame for what stops ministers, the President, etcetera.
44:28
But why not say that Parliament, which we can choose to follow the TiVo,
44:35
has the enormous importance in decisive Argentine politics. Important because, for the
44:40
time being, he devotes himself to the laws and, moreover, we all
44:45
know that he has an anti- ultive power, a possibility to deny and
44:52
accept, to modify. And then we saw that there are different roles,
44:58
different from activities, from various examples, or in which creative temporals has done
45:02
absolutely nothing when it was their duty to do so, because I am no
45:09
longer talking about controlling the ejutive power, and nothing like that, but questions
45:14
that are short of it. For example, the one hundred and seventy-
45:20
year- old case. It is difficult to adapt this, but it has
45:23
a hundred and seventy- one years of fulfillment by the power of TiVo,
45:30
because the Constitution of fifty- three of fifty- three new reformed in one
45:35
thousand eight hundred and sixty. The condition of fifty- three. Sea argued
45:39
that justice should follow what we say, the example of American justice, English
45:49
justice, etcetera, etcetera. That they had played jury, that is,
45:58
guilty or innocent, the swearing didn' t say the game. That'
46:01
s what she said after the sentence. But if I' m out,
46:06
don' t sit down or I was right. They called it a jury.
46:09
And that' s not a novelty, because that brought him to Europe
46:15
South Clothes, the men of Northern Europe, the bicking that took in South
46:21
Europe, England, France, Italy, that were going to be Russia,
46:28
came to Greenland, it is known, and that they put it, that
46:35
was that there were two clarified people that ultimately, they studied the matter,
46:43
listened to the parties, listened to the lawyers and, ultimately, they said
46:49
if there was any cover. No. But that' s the year the
46:57
Breckin and brought them in years no, nine hundred after Christ nine hundred and
47:04
in England, that happened to France, Normandy, because normal day was where
47:09
the two thousand fifteen settled in Fance and the Normans and Mary in England,
47:15
in the year one thousand fifty, more or less and ultimately, that England
47:20
took over and brought all its rules, including this one from the jury trial.
47:29
Finally, a role not arming a king of English, English, but
47:34
originated Norman in a thousand two hundred and seventy. I' m talking to
47:39
myself in terms that already seventy- four, or eighty, but it'
47:44
s more or less. Definitive form of all this had to be two people
47:51
in the trial who set the guidelines. The trial was to be held because
48:00
the Saxons did not have justice of any kind. No, and this put
48:05
it in a thousand two hundred and high and with the passage of the centuries
48:09
all the assumption that was given, modifying and accentuating, let' s say
48:17
the juridicality of the matter and that' s why we focused. That'
48:19
s not income, that' s justice, not clear, but it'
48:23
s not exactly English. Today, already in Europe, which runs everywhere,
48:27
started in Spain and also in Latin America, in Mexico, for example,
48:35
and in Argentina, because in Argentina we cannot hide or give away the truth
48:40
that Neuquen has the trial by jury, that the province of Buenos Aires has
48:47
a jury trial, juando liked governor' s solid and that the one that
48:53
started with the jury trial in the Córdoba crowd before all that I have mentioned,
48:59
and in the province of Buenos Aires there is also jury trial, that
49:02
is, in the provinces. The accused has in fact opted between the trial
49:15
for played or the ordinary trial as a game. Well, let' s
49:22
go back, we' re back, Juan José, because then time began
49:23
to pressure us into the role of Congress. We don' t spend it
49:25
on justice or jury business. Yes and well, with other things that the
49:35
Comicio has done it had the one that he should do, for example,
49:39
choose how to say this national deputy in Argentina today we can say without fear
49:45
of truth that we are not electing national deputies, because we do not have
49:52
sheets for them. Let' s say the sheet list what' s exactly
49:59
called, exactly what we call sheet. Then we have to directly assemble everything
50:04
they offer us. But we don' t have the slightest idea of the
50:09
ruler, because the deputy is a ruler of the deputy, because it costs
50:14
the ruler, because what we' re saying we' re butting And that
50:22
' s an obligation to be able to execute legislative power, to give the
50:30
guidelines to have a proper legislative chamber where, as in other countries of the
50:38
world, any number of deputies elected form by conscription or is a part of
50:43
the city, a part of the province, of individuals, provided of life
50:47
of the constituencies and vouched for one, not a sheet and that' s
50:52
only known to the people. There is a remarkable Argentine experience that remained in
50:57
Nanada, but concrete experience in one thousand nine hundred and two for an election
51:02
of Creocrea that in nineteen hundred and four Rocca and his great Minister of Interior,
51:08
Joaquín be González, who was not, evidently or any other person,
51:16
they divided the city of Buenos Aires into neighborhoods and in those neighborhoods they chose
51:24
only one, so that from only one was known throughout the neighborhood. And
51:29
so it was. And in nineteen hundred and four they chose a young boy
51:34
of great talent who was called Alfredo Nzo Palacios, who was a new great
51:40
parliamentarian of Latin America, and that they did. I agree that you agree
51:45
very little in dogmatic terms, but good. It' s fine, it
51:49
' s legion. Oh, no, no, no, no, no,
51:50
no. What a moment I am is men of the Republic and Alfredo
51:55
Onso, for them a man of the Republic, there is no good.
52:00
But what I want to highlight and enlarge his figure, it is believed that
52:04
this is how to want socialist and this is his name of right us.
52:07
And in that sense there are some differences that, because you don' t
52:12
know, but in labor matters, for example, all palace legislation was enjoyed
52:19
by the conservatives, starting with the first seo that I think the eight-
52:23
day. So when we said and the daughters can tell us and if those
52:30
economic issues, then it can' t be better said. But there'
52:36
s a lot of or so things. Not all the stop legislation proposed by
52:42
Palacio, was voted by the conservatives and we will vote you with the eight
52:47
- day, for example, all the things I use for him, which
52:52
they played, which were up to two, so that he was not with
53:02
that unionism that we have, which is absurd, which is a syndicarimono,
53:10
which the union leaders are very millionaires, they still last and that forty years,
53:20
thirty years, I do not know when they last, contrary to the
53:22
Republic, because the Republic wants to litar chip Chat and will not continue it.
53:29
So when the condition of fifty- three was made, the next one,
53:31
six years and period later changed well, four years and four years,
53:37
but it cannot be to that terrible continuity. Thirty years. The well-
53:52
known trade unionists are thirty years old, forty years old, and that can
53:58
' t be used by the lord and can' t be that they don
54:01
' t present song plays of the goods he has. Let' s hit
54:04
the elemental. On the other hand, a Member of Parliament is obliged to
54:09
present a juror to a mayor. The President has an obligation. A vowed
54:12
song was presented. No, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
54:17
no, no, no, no. I' m sure that' s
54:20
done for them. Gale happened some things so it was a thing for me
54:23
too. John lith I was going to have lunch with him at his house
54:29
because my father was friends with him. My father was kept people to a
54:36
friend of palaces and we went to the house. I remember he always put
54:39
a robot on top of his shirt. I never smelled this spectacular border and
54:46
my father too was digital when I was in prison. But that' s
54:53
worse, that' s why he was still there. That' s why
54:57
I shot it. I' m going to visit the property. I always
55:00
gave myself to my father and that' s when I was twelve. The
55:07
question I asked my parents I have icy when I told him, but Papabrito
55:13
so we told him you have friends who are not imprisoned, because in the
55:17
background, not only in Palacios, his friend, but many others, conservative
55:21
leader and like what I am hazelanera or in so many other Hofred, the
55:28
game, the lawyer I am interested in what I teré on Sundays we went
55:32
to my father, made a magazine and went to visit friends and I asked
55:38
him there but you have it in a friend, but you do not be
55:46
a great prisoner true, yes, well yes, I do not do so,
55:52
but I do not keep doing a little bit more, hino that they
55:53
were two tiny minutes for the paramo that a little minute and I tell him
56:00
everything, the victim of the Congress not established that to be a public employee
56:05
and to give to the examination, it is necessary to show him two neity
56:06
that establishes article sixteen of the national Constitution. Like all serious countries, you
56:09
can not be public employment without demonstrating the qualities that you have to have and
56:15
also, they are always in competition with others and to see who bab to
56:21
innovate, ex et cetera. It' s not like this here and that
56:23
for me would have completely denied him. And, well, let' s
56:29
not talk about me being nobody, but I always said there has to be
56:35
that and today the National Congress. Yes, it is in to dictate that
56:38
law how the requirement should be required of a person to make him a public
56:45
official. When I say full public and say cook, director of the General
56:52
of the Commetcio, at last I don' t know, it doesn'
56:54
t interest the office. It has to be like a course, a pleasure
57:00
to have met again. We' ll do it again soon. Thank you
57:04
so much. Uh, well, a staple, and like I always say
57:10
to your guy, be people who I say listen to his whole card.
57:15
Don' t apologize. Ask you for the cuta for being so long.
57:19
Thank you, don' t apologize, don' t ask for the big
57:21
hug. Dr Juan José Guareste here with us closing this plubal construction Tuesday morning.
57:25
As I say to you at three o' clock in the afternoon,
57:28
be at four o' clock in the afternoon. We follow continuity. U
57:29
Waime Farrar and Walpesson and him, Thursday at fifteen, thirty, a little
57:31
earlier, romer and fidanza. Thank you, thank you, Juan, thank
57:35
you, Silvia. Stop tomorrow. U s