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Why Overwhelmed Parents End Up Spending More Money, And How To Fix It · Making Cents

• 0:00
  What
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  if
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  the
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  chaos
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  of
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  parenthood
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  was
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  actually
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  the
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  thing
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  that
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  qualified
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  you
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  to
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  build
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  a
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  business?
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  Not
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  despite
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  the
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  nap
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  schedules
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  and
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  the
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  mental
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  load
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  and
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  the
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  constant
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  juggling,
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  but
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  because
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  of
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  it.
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  Most
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  money
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  content
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  for
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  moms
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  focuses
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  on
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  spending
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  less,
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  stretching
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  further,
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  making
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  do.
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  But
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  what
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  if
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  the
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  conversation
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  you
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  actually
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  need
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  is
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  about
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  earning
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  more
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  on
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  your
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  own
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  terms
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  around
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  your
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  actual
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  life?
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  And
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  I'm
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  so
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  average,
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  like
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  I
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  was
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  just
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  a
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  mum,
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  like
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  posting
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  silly
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  videos
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  on
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  the
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  Internet.
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  And
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  so
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  if
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  I
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  can
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  start
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  a
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  business,
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  anybody
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  can
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  do
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  that
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  because
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  the.
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  Skills
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  are
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  already
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  there,
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  the
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  problem
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  solving,
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  the
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  resourcefulness,
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  the
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  ability
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  to
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  spot
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  what's
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  missing
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  and
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  fill
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  the
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  gap.
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  What's
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  usually
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  missing
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  is
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  the
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  roadmap
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  for
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  turning
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  that
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  into
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  actual
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  real
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  income.
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  I
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  don't
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  actually
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  need
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  to
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  go
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  and
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  get
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  a
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  job
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  to
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  earn
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  more
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  money.
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  I
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  can
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  actually
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  make
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  more
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  money
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  myself.
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  And
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  so
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  then
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  I
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  started
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  to
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  think,
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  well,
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  what
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  other
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  ways
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  could
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  I,
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  could
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  I
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  create
• 0:58
  money?
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  You
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  know,
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  what
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  other
• 0:58
  opportunities
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  are
• 0:59
  there?
• 1:00
  Today
• 1:00
  we're
• 1:00
  getting
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  into
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  exactly
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  that.
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  What
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  it
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  actually
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  looks
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  like
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  to
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  build
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  something
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  from
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  scratch
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  as
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  a
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  parent
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  without
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  a
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  tech
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  background
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  or
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  a
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  pile
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  of
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  startup
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  cash.
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  It's
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  a
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  real
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  problem
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  community
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  who
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  needed
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  it
• 1:13
  solved
• 1:14
  and
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  the
• 1:14
  willingness
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  to
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  back
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  yourself.
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  If
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  you
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  wait
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  until
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  it's
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  perfect,
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  you'll
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  never
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  launch,
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  you'll
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  never
• 1:19
  start.
• 1:19
  And
• 1:20
  if
• 1:20
  you
• 1:20
  wait
• 1:20
  until
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  you
• 1:20
  know
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  everything,
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  you'll
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  never
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  start.
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  Just,
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  you
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  know,
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  learn
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  as
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  you
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  go.
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  It's
• 1:24
  like
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  build
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  the
• 1:24
  plane
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  while
• 1:24
  you're
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  flying.
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  Just
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  put
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  it
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  out
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  into
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  the
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  world
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  and
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  then
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  just
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  like
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  go
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  from
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  there.
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  So
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  welcome
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  to
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  Making
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  Sense.
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  It's
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  the
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  podcast
• 1:30
  people
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  who
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  want
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  financial
• 1:31
  freedom
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  without
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  giving
• 1:32
  up
• 1:33
  their
• 1:33
  coffee.
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  I'm
• 1:34
  Francis
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  Cook,
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  a
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  financial
• 1:35
  journalist
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  and
• 1:36
  fellow
• 1:36
  financial
• 1:36
  freedom
• 1:37
  seeker
• 1:37
  who
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  makes
• 1:38
  money
• 1:38
  simple
• 1:38
  for
• 1:39
  you
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  today.
• 1:40
  How
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  to
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  build
• 1:41
  a
• 1:41
  business
• 1:41
  that
• 1:42
  earns
• 1:42
  more
• 1:43
  still
• 1:43
  leaves
• 1:44
  room
• 1:44
  the
• 1:45
  life
• 1:45
  you
• 1:46
  actually
• 1:46
  want.
• 1:47
  This
• 1:47
  episode
• 1:48
  of
• 1:48
  Making
• 1:48
  Sense
• 1:49
  is
• 1:49
  brought
• 1:49
  to
• 1:49
  you
• 1:49
  in
• 1:49
  partnership
• 1:50
  with
• 1:50
  Odoo,
• 1:51
  the
• 1:51
  all
• 1:51
  in
• 1:51
  one
• 1:52
  business
• 1:52
  management
• 1:52
  platform
• 1:53
  that
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  brings
• 1:54
  everything
• 1:54
  you
• 1:54
  need
• 1:54
  to
• 1:55
  run
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  your
• 1:55
  business
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  into
• 1:56
  one
• 1:56
  place,
• 1:57
  fully
• 1:58
  integrated
• 1:58
  and
• 1:59
  actually
• 1:59
  affordable.
• 2:00
  Go
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  to
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  odoo.com
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  that's
• 2:02
  o-double
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  o.com
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  for
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  more.
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  I
• 2:05
  want
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  to
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  help
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  as
• 2:06
  many
• 2:06
  people
• 2:06
  as
• 2:06
  possible
• 2:07
  reach
• 2:07
  financial
• 2:08
  freedom
• 2:08
  by
• 2:09
  taking
• 2:09
  control
• 2:09
  of
• 2:10
  their
• 2:10
  money.
• 2:10
  You
• 2:11
  can
• 2:11
  help
• 2:11
  me
• 2:11
  in
• 2:11
  that
• 2:12
  mission
• 2:12
  two
• 2:13
  really
• 2:13
  easy
• 2:13
  ways.
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  First,
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  hit
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  subscribe
• 2:15
  wherever
• 2:16
  you
• 2:16
  like
• 2:16
  to
• 2:16
  listen.
• 2:17
  You,
• 2:17
  YouTube,
• 2:18
  Spotify,
• 2:18
  Apple
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  Podcasts,
• 2:19
  or
• 2:19
  any
• 2:20
  other
• 2:20
  podcast
• 2:20
  player.
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  Then
• 2:22
  send
• 2:22
  this
• 2:22
  episode
• 2:23
  to
• 2:23
  a
• 2:23
  friend
• 2:23
  so
• 2:23
  we
• 2:24
  can
• 2:24
  all
• 2:24
  level
• 2:24
  up
• 2:25
  together.
• 2:25
  Then
• 2:26
  the
• 2:26
  show
• 2:26
  grows
• 2:26
  and
• 2:27
  I
• 2:27
  can
• 2:27
  keep
• 2:27
  giving
• 2:27
  you
• 2:28
  the
• 2:28
  money
• 2:28
  info
• 2:29
  that
• 2:29
  makes
• 2:29
  a
• 2:29
  difference
• 2:30
  for
• 2:30
  your
• 2:30
  life.
• 2:31
  Okay,
• 2:31
  back
• 2:32
  to
• 2:32
  it.
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  Welcome
• 2:33
  to
• 2:33
  the
• 2:34
  pod.
• 2:34
  You
• 2:34
  are
• 2:34
  something
• 2:35
  of
• 2:35
  an
• 2:36
  unlikely
• 2:37
  tech
• 2:37
  founder.
• 2:38
  Really,
• 2:39
  because
• 2:39
  you
• 2:39
  were
• 2:39
  a
• 2:39
  mom
• 2:40
  and
• 2:40
  then
• 2:40
  you
• 2:40
  sort
• 2:40
  of
• 2:40
  realized,
• 2:41
  oh,
• 2:41
  this
• 2:41
  is
• 2:42
  what,
• 2:43
  quite
• 2:43
  overwhelming
• 2:43
  and
• 2:44
  maybe
• 2:44
  a
• 2:44
  little
• 2:44
  bit
• 2:44
  harder
• 2:45
  than
• 2:45
  it
• 2:45
  needs
• 2:45
  to
• 2:45
  be.
• 2:46
  Tell
• 2:46
  me
• 2:46
  about
• 2:46
  that
• 2:47
  moment
• 2:47
  when
• 2:47
  you're
• 2:48
  in
• 2:48
  the
• 2:48
  trenches
• 2:49
  of
• 2:49
  motherhood
• 2:49
  and
• 2:49
  you're
• 2:49
  thinking,
• 2:51
  this
• 2:51
  is
• 2:51
  actually
• 2:52
  quite
• 2:52
  full
• 2:52
  on,
• 2:52
  really.
• 2:53
  And
• 2:53
  I
• 2:53
  don't
• 2:53
  know
• 2:53
  if
• 2:53
  I
• 2:54
  want
• 2:54
  it
• 2:54
  to
• 2:54
  be
• 2:54
  quite
• 2:54
  this
• 2:54
  full
• 2:55
  on.
• 2:55
  You're
• 2:56
  absolutely
• 2:56
  spot
• 2:56
  on.
• 2:56
  Like
• 2:56
  I'm
• 2:57
  not
• 2:57
  a
• 2:57
  likely
• 2:58
  tech
• 2:58
  founder.
• 2:58
  Like
• 2:59
  no
• 2:59
  tech
• 2:59
  background
• 3:00
  didn't
• 3:00
  come
• 3:00
  from
• 3:00
  that
• 3:00
  perspective
• 3:01
  at
• 3:01
  all.
• 3:01
  But
• 3:01
  I
• 3:01
  think
• 3:02
  I
• 3:03
  had
• 3:04
  a
• 3:04
  young
• 3:04
  child
• 3:05
  and
• 3:05
  I
• 3:05
  was
• 3:05
  a
• 3:05
  full
• 3:05
  time
• 3:06
  stay
• 3:06
  at
• 3:06
  home
• 3:06
  parent
• 3:08
  and
• 3:09
  I
• 3:09
  really
• 3:09
  was
• 3:09
  craving
• 3:10
  like
• 3:10
  newness.
• 3:11
  I
• 3:11
  found
• 3:11
  that
• 3:11
  the
• 3:12
  transition
• 3:12
  to
• 3:12
  motherhood
• 3:13
  was
• 3:13
  quite
• 3:14
  hard
• 3:14
  in
• 3:14
  the
• 3:14
  sense
• 3:14
  that
• 3:14
  I,
• 3:16
  I
• 3:16
  lost
• 3:16
  my
• 3:17
  freedom,
• 3:17
  I
• 3:17
  lost
• 3:17
  that
• 3:18
  spontaneity
• 3:18
  in
• 3:19
  my
• 3:19
  life.
• 3:19
  I
• 3:20
  felt
• 3:20
  like
• 3:20
  we
• 3:20
  were
• 3:20
  just
• 3:20
  doing
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  same
• 3:21
  thing
• 3:21
  every
• 3:21
  day
• 3:21
  almost.
• 3:22
  It
• 3:22
  sometimes
• 3:23
  felt
• 3:23
  a
• 3:23
  little
• 3:23
  bit
• 3:23
  like
• 3:23
  Groundhog
• 3:24
  Day,
• 3:24
  like
• 3:24
  a
• 3:24
  little
• 3:24
  bit
• 3:25
  monotonous.
• 3:26
  And
• 3:26
  I
• 3:26
  was
• 3:27
  kind
• 3:27
  of
• 3:27
  struggling
• 3:28
  to
• 3:28
  find
• 3:28
  like
• 3:28
  things
• 3:28
  that
• 3:29
  I
• 3:29
  could
• 3:29
  go
• 3:29
  and
• 3:29
  do
• 3:29
  with
• 3:29
  her
• 3:29
  that
• 3:30
  would
• 3:30
  be
• 3:30
  exciting
• 3:30
  for
• 3:30
  me.
• 3:31
  Fill
• 3:31
  my
• 3:31
  cup,
• 3:32
  you
• 3:32
  know,
• 3:33
  Give
• 3:33
  me
• 3:33
  that
• 3:33
  kind
• 3:33
  of
• 3:34
  like
• 3:34
  newness
• 3:35
  to
• 3:35
  my
• 3:35
  day.
• 3:35
  Going
• 3:36
  somewhere
• 3:36
  new,
• 3:37
  but
• 3:37
  also
• 3:37
  being
• 3:37
  local
• 3:38
  and
• 3:38
  from
• 3:38
  this
• 3:39
  kind
• 3:39
  of
• 3:39
  like
• 3:39
  need
• 3:39
  that
• 3:40
  I
• 3:40
  had
• 3:40
  for
• 3:40
  myself.
• 3:40
  I
• 3:40
  was
• 3:41
  sharing
• 3:41
  these
• 3:41
  recommendations
• 3:42
  online
• 3:42
  and
• 3:42
  find
• 3:42
  somewhere
• 3:43
  cool
• 3:43
  and
• 3:43
  I
• 3:43
  would
• 3:43
  share
• 3:44
  it.
• 3:44
  And
• 3:44
  other
• 3:45
  parents
• 3:45
  were
• 3:45
  really
• 3:45
  loving
• 3:46
  it.
• 3:46
  It
• 3:46
  was
• 3:46
  resonating.
• 3:47
  And
• 3:47
  then
• 3:47
  that
• 3:47
  was
• 3:48
  kind
• 3:48
  of
• 3:48
  like
• 3:48
  the
• 3:48
  beginning
• 3:48
  of,
• 3:49
  of
• 3:49
  everything,
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  guess
• 3:50
  from
• 3:50
  my
• 3:50
  own
• 3:51
  personal
• 3:51
  pain
• 3:51
  point.
• 3:52
  It's
• 3:52
  funny,
• 3:53
  isn't
• 3:53
  it?
• 3:53
  Because
• 3:53
  there's
• 3:54
  so
• 3:54
  many
• 3:55
  moms
• 3:55
  that
• 3:55
  I've
• 3:55
  talked
• 3:56
  to
• 3:56
  and
• 3:56
  maybe
• 3:56
  this
• 3:57
  is
• 3:57
  super
• 3:57
  anecdotal,
• 3:58
  but
• 3:58
  I,
• 3:58
  I
• 3:58
  do
• 3:58
  feel
• 3:58
  like
• 3:59
  there's
• 3:59
  an
• 3:59
  underlying
• 3:59
  trend
• 4:00
  here
• 4:00
  that
• 4:01
  you
• 4:01
  have
• 4:01
  a
• 4:01
  kid,
• 4:02
  it's
• 4:03
  the
• 4:03
  most
• 4:04
  intense
• 4:05
  life
• 4:05
  change,
• 4:07
  no
• 4:07
  matter
• 4:07
  how
• 4:07
  you've
• 4:08
  prepped
• 4:08
  for
• 4:08
  it.
• 4:09
  I
• 4:09
  don't
• 4:09
  think
• 4:09
  you
• 4:09
  can
• 4:10
  really
• 4:10
  know
• 4:11
  before
• 4:11
  you're
• 4:11
  in
• 4:11
  it.
• 4:12
  It's
• 4:12
  such
• 4:12
  an
• 4:12
  intense
• 4:13
  life
• 4:13
  change,
• 4:14
  such
• 4:14
  an
• 4:14
  intense
• 4:15
  identity
• 4:16
  change.
• 4:16
  And
• 4:17
  then
• 4:17
  I
• 4:17
  know
• 4:17
  so
• 4:17
  many
• 4:18
  mums
• 4:18
  who
• 4:18
  have
• 4:18
  then
• 4:18
  in
• 4:19
  that
• 4:19
  moment
• 4:19
  started
• 4:20
  a
• 4:20
  business.
• 4:21
  What
• 4:21
  do
• 4:21
  you
• 4:21
  think's
• 4:22
  happening
• 4:22
  there?
• 4:24
  I
• 4:24
  definitely
• 4:25
  agree
• 4:25
  that
• 4:25
  seems
• 4:25
  to
• 4:25
  be
• 4:26
  like
• 4:26
  a
• 4:26
  common
• 4:26
  theme.
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  know
• 4:27
  so
• 4:27
  many
• 4:27
  people
• 4:27
  have
• 4:27
  also
• 4:28
  done
• 4:28
  that.
• 4:28
  I
• 4:29
  think
• 4:29
  it's
• 4:29
  a
• 4:29
  few
• 4:29
  things.
• 4:30
  I
• 4:30
  think
• 4:30
  that
• 4:30
  it's
• 4:30
  partly
• 4:31
  that
• 4:31
  once
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  become
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  parent,
• 4:32
  your
• 4:33
  view
• 4:33
  of
• 4:33
  the
• 4:33
  world
• 4:34
  changes
• 4:34
  and
• 4:34
  you
• 4:35
  identify
• 4:36
  problems
• 4:36
  or
• 4:37
  things
• 4:37
  that
• 4:37
  you
• 4:38
  hadn't
• 4:38
  previously
• 4:39
  been
• 4:39
  aware
• 4:39
  of
• 4:39
  or
• 4:40
  a
• 4:40
  need
• 4:41
  for
• 4:41
  something
• 4:41
  to
• 4:41
  exist
• 4:42
  that
• 4:42
  doesn't
• 4:42
  exist.
• 4:43
  And
• 4:43
  I
• 4:43
  think
• 4:43
  on
• 4:43
  the
• 4:43
  flip
• 4:44
  side,
• 4:44
  there's
• 4:45
  a
• 4:45
  lot
• 4:45
  of
• 4:45
  parents
• 4:45
  that
• 4:45
  start
• 4:46
  businesses,
• 4:46
  you
• 4:46
  know,
• 4:46
  Especially
• 4:47
  moms
• 4:47
  that
• 4:47
  start
• 4:47
  businesses
• 4:48
  because
• 4:49
  they
• 4:49
  think,
• 4:50
  and
• 4:50
  whether
• 4:50
  this
• 4:50
  is
• 4:50
  right
• 4:51
  or
• 4:51
  wrong,
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  know,
• 4:51
  we
• 4:51
  can
• 4:51
  go
• 4:51
  into.
• 4:52
  But
• 4:52
  they
• 4:52
  think
• 4:53
  that
• 4:53
  it's
• 4:53
  going
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  give
• 4:53
  them
• 4:53
  more
• 4:53
  flexibility
• 4:54
  to
• 4:54
  stay
• 4:54
  home
• 4:54
  with
• 4:54
  their
• 4:55
  kids,
• 4:55
  it's
• 4:55
  going
• 4:55
  to
• 4:55
  give
• 4:55
  them
• 4:55
  more
• 4:56
  time,
• 4:56
  it's
• 4:56
  going
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  give
• 4:56
  them
• 4:57
  more
• 4:57
  like
• 4:57
  of
• 4:58
  freedom
• 4:58
  and
• 4:58
  autonomy.
• 4:59
  And
• 4:59
  a
• 4:59
  lot
• 4:59
  of
• 4:59
  parents,
• 5:00
  they
• 5:00
  go
• 5:00
  on
• 5:00
  maternity
• 5:00
  leave
• 5:01
  and
• 5:01
  they
• 5:01
  just
• 5:01
  don't
• 5:01
  want
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  go
• 5:02
  back
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  their
• 5:02
  nine
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  five
• 5:03
  or
• 5:03
  their
• 5:03
  previous
• 5:03
  job.
• 5:04
  And
• 5:04
  I
• 5:05
  think
• 5:05
  that
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  idea
• 5:06
  of
• 5:06
  starting
• 5:06
  a
• 5:06
  business
• 5:06
  or
• 5:07
  starting
• 5:07
  like
• 5:07
  a
• 5:07
  side
• 5:07
  hustle,
• 5:08
  there's
• 5:08
  the
• 5:08
  idea
• 5:09
  that
• 5:09
  it
• 5:09
  will
• 5:09
  give
• 5:09
  you
• 5:09
  more
• 5:09
  time,
• 5:10
  freedom
• 5:10
  and
• 5:10
  like
• 5:10
  whether
• 5:10
  or
• 5:11
  not
• 5:11
  that
• 5:11
  is
• 5:11
  true,
• 5:12
  you
• 5:12
  know,
• 5:13
  I
• 5:13
  personally
• 5:13
  disagree.
• 5:14
  But
• 5:15
  yeah,
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  think
• 5:15
  that
• 5:15
  there's
• 5:16
  a
• 5:16
  few
• 5:16
  factors
• 5:17
  at
• 5:17
  play
• 5:17
  when
• 5:17
  people
• 5:17
  become
• 5:17
  parents.
• 5:18
  Yeah,
• 5:19
  it's
• 5:19
  funny,
• 5:19
  isn't
• 5:19
  it?
• 5:19
  Because
• 5:20
  this
• 5:20
  is,
• 5:20
  this
• 5:20
  is
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  little
• 5:20
  bit
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  a
• 5:21
  sidetrack
• 5:21
  from
• 5:21
  what
• 5:21
  we're
• 5:22
  going
• 5:22
  to
• 5:22
  talk
• 5:22
  to.
• 5:22
  But
• 5:22
  it's
• 5:22
  an
• 5:23
  interesting
• 5:23
  thread.
• 5:23
  I
• 5:23
  just
• 5:23
  want
• 5:24
  to
• 5:24
  plunge
• 5:24
  it
• 5:24
  a
• 5:24
  little
• 5:24
  bit
• 5:24
  more
• 5:25
  because
• 5:26
  the,
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  world
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  traditional
• 5:28
  work
• 5:28
  I
• 5:28
  think
• 5:28
  can
• 5:29
  be
• 5:29
  quite
• 5:29
  unfriendly
• 5:30
  to
• 5:30
  parents
• 5:31
  in
• 5:31
  general,
• 5:32
  but
• 5:32
  especially
• 5:33
  mums.
• 5:34
  And
• 5:35
  it's
• 5:36
  quite
• 5:37
  steady
• 5:37
  hours
• 5:38
  that
• 5:38
  often
• 5:39
  don't
• 5:39
  fit
• 5:40
  with
• 5:40
  school
• 5:41
  hours
• 5:41
  or
• 5:41
  daycare
• 5:42
  hours
• 5:42
  or
• 5:42
  whatever.
• 5:43
  And
• 5:43
  you're
• 5:43
  right,
• 5:44
  you're
• 5:44
  wanting
• 5:44
  to
• 5:44
  prioritize
• 5:45
  time
• 5:45
  with
• 5:45
  your
• 5:45
  kids.
• 5:45
  That's
• 5:46
  why
• 5:46
  you
• 5:46
  had
• 5:46
  them,
• 5:46
  you
• 5:46
  want
• 5:47
  to
• 5:47
  see
• 5:47
  them,
• 5:47
  they're
• 5:47
  very
• 5:48
  full
• 5:48
  on,
• 5:48
  but
• 5:48
  you
• 5:48
  still
• 5:48
  want
• 5:49
  to
• 5:49
  see
• 5:49
  them.
• 5:51
  And
• 5:51
  it's
• 5:51
  really,
• 5:51
  really
• 5:51
  hard
• 5:52
  to
• 5:52
  make
• 5:52
  that
• 5:54
  work.
• 5:54
  And
• 5:55
  yeah,
• 5:56
  it's
• 5:57
  a
• 5:57
  really
• 5:57
  good
• 5:58
  point
• 5:58
  what
• 5:58
  you're
• 5:58
  saying,
• 5:58
  because
• 5:58
  it's
• 5:59
  a
• 5:59
  mixed
• 5:59
  bag
• 5:59
  on
• 6:00
  that,
• 6:00
  right?
• 6:00
  Where
• 6:01
  starting
• 6:02
  a
• 6:02
  business
• 6:03
  is
• 6:03
  often
• 6:03
  very
• 6:04
  full
• 6:04
  on
• 6:05
  as
• 6:05
  well
• 6:05
  and
• 6:06
  a
• 6:06
  big
• 6:07
  time
• 6:07
  suck.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:08
  it's,
• 6:08
  it's
• 6:09
  all
• 6:09
  on
• 6:09
  you
• 6:09
  to
• 6:09
  make
• 6:09
  it
• 6:09
  work.
• 6:10
  And
• 6:10
  yet
• 6:10
  there
• 6:10
  is
• 6:11
  those
• 6:11
  pros
• 6:11
  and
• 6:12
  cons
• 6:12
  in
• 6:12
  terms
• 6:12
  of
• 6:13
  you
• 6:13
  can
• 6:13
  time
• 6:13
  shift
• 6:13
  a
• 6:14
  little
• 6:14
  bit,
• 6:14
  you
• 6:14
  can
• 6:14
  maybe
• 6:14
  do
• 6:14
  some
• 6:15
  stuff
• 6:15
  while
• 6:15
  they're
• 6:15
  napping
• 6:15
  or
• 6:16
  while
• 6:16
  they're
• 6:16
  asleep
• 6:16
  for
• 6:17
  the
• 6:17
  night
• 6:17
  and
• 6:18
  you
• 6:18
  can
• 6:18
  somewhat
• 6:19
  more
• 6:19
  work
• 6:19
  it
• 6:19
  around
• 6:20
  your
• 6:20
  schedule.
• 6:22
  Where
• 6:22
  do
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  land
• 6:23
  on
• 6:23
  that
• 6:24
  in
• 6:24
  terms
• 6:24
  of
• 6:25
  work
• 6:25
  and
• 6:25
  its
• 6:26
  friendliness
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  parents?
• 6:27
  It's
• 6:27
  hard,
• 6:27
  isn't
• 6:27
  it?
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  honestly
• 6:28
  think
• 6:28
  it's
• 6:28
  terrible.
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  think
• 6:29
  that
• 6:30
  even
• 6:30
  if
• 6:30
  we
• 6:30
  look
• 6:30
  at
• 6:31
  like
• 6:31
  societally
• 6:31
  the
• 6:32
  structure
• 6:32
  of
• 6:32
  the
• 6:32
  work
• 6:33
  day
• 6:33
  and
• 6:33
  then
• 6:33
  the
• 6:34
  structure
• 6:34
  of
• 6:34
  the
• 6:34
  school
• 6:34
  day,
• 6:35
  those
• 6:35
  two
• 6:35
  things
• 6:35
  do
• 6:35
  not
• 6:36
  align.
• 6:36
  So
• 6:36
  our
• 6:37
  whole
• 6:37
  kind
• 6:37
  of
• 6:37
  society
• 6:38
  is
• 6:38
  based
• 6:38
  on
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  idea
• 6:39
  that
• 6:39
  like
• 6:39
  effectively
• 6:39
  one
• 6:40
  parent
• 6:40
  is
• 6:40
  going
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  be
• 6:40
  home
• 6:41
  and
• 6:41
  able
• 6:41
  to
• 6:42
  do
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  nine
• 6:42
  to
• 6:42
  three
• 6:42
  school
• 6:43
  hours
• 6:43
  and
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  pickup
• 6:44
  and
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  drop
• 6:44
  off
• 6:45
  and
• 6:45
  we
• 6:45
  just
• 6:45
  don't
• 6:45
  live
• 6:46
  like
• 6:46
  that
• 6:46
  anymore.
• 6:46
  Like
• 6:46
  both
• 6:47
  parents
• 6:47
  work,
• 6:48
  both
• 6:48
  parents
• 6:48
  normally
• 6:49
  have
• 6:49
  jobs
• 6:49
  that
• 6:49
  require
• 6:50
  them
• 6:50
  to
• 6:50
  be
• 6:50
  there
• 6:50
  before
• 6:51
  nine
• 6:51
  and
• 6:51
  after
• 6:52
  three.
• 6:52
  And
• 6:53
  so
• 6:53
  I
• 6:53
  don't
• 6:54
  think
• 6:54
  that
• 6:54
  workplaces
• 6:55
  are,
• 6:55
  I
• 6:56
  don't
• 6:56
  think
• 6:56
  any
• 6:56
  workplace
• 6:57
  really
• 6:57
  truly
• 6:58
  offers
• 6:58
  flexible
• 6:59
  working.
• 6:59
  Happy
• 7:00
  to
• 7:00
  be
• 7:00
  called
• 7:00
  out
• 7:00
  if
• 7:00
  somebody
• 7:00
  knows
• 7:01
  a
• 7:01
  workplace
• 7:01
  that
• 7:01
  is
• 7:02
  truly
• 7:02
  100%
• 7:02
  flexible,
• 7:03
  you
• 7:03
  know,
• 7:03
  but
• 7:03
  let's
• 7:04
  shout
• 7:04
  them.
• 7:04
  Out,
• 7:04
  let's
• 7:04
  give
• 7:04
  them
• 7:05
  their
• 7:05
  props.
• 7:05
  But
• 7:05
  yeah,
• 7:05
  I
• 7:05
  don't
• 7:06
  know
• 7:06
  of
• 7:06
  many,
• 7:06
  no.
• 7:07
  And
• 7:07
  I
• 7:07
  think
• 7:07
  that
• 7:07
  it's,
• 7:08
  it's
• 7:08
  really
• 7:08
  hard
• 7:08
  for
• 7:09
  parents
• 7:09
  and
• 7:09
  you,
• 7:09
  you
• 7:10
  go
• 7:10
  through
• 7:10
  different
• 7:10
  phases.
• 7:11
  You
• 7:11
  know,
• 7:11
  when
• 7:11
  you
• 7:11
  have
• 7:11
  babies
• 7:11
  and
• 7:12
  they're
• 7:12
  in
• 7:12
  daycare
• 7:12
  and
• 7:12
  daycare
• 7:13
  hours
• 7:13
  are
• 7:13
  obviously,
• 7:14
  you
• 7:14
  know,
• 7:14
  they
• 7:14
  can
• 7:14
  be
• 7:14
  a
• 7:14
  lot
• 7:14
  longer.
• 7:15
  And
• 7:15
  then
• 7:15
  when
• 7:15
  they
• 7:15
  start
• 7:15
  school
• 7:16
  you
• 7:16
  go
• 7:16
  through
• 7:16
  this
• 7:16
  who
• 7:16
  thing
• 7:17
  again
• 7:17
  because
• 7:17
  then
• 7:17
  it's
• 7:17
  like
• 7:18
  before
• 7:18
  school
• 7:18
  care
• 7:19
  is
• 7:19
  needed
• 7:19
  or
• 7:19
  after
• 7:19
  school
• 7:19
  care
• 7:20
  is
• 7:20
  needed
• 7:20
  or
• 7:20
  if
• 7:21
  you're
• 7:21
  lucky,
• 7:21
  you
• 7:21
  might
• 7:21
  have
• 7:22
  grandparent
• 7:22
  help
• 7:22
  or
• 7:23
  neighbors
• 7:23
  that
• 7:23
  can
• 7:23
  share
• 7:24
  drop
• 7:24
  offs
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  pickups.
• 7:25
  But
• 7:25
  it's
• 7:25
  such
• 7:25
  a
• 7:25
  juggle.
• 7:26
  And
• 7:27
  I
• 7:27
  think
• 7:27
  that
• 7:28
  companies
• 7:29
  want
• 7:29
  to
• 7:29
  promote
• 7:30
  flexible
• 7:30
  working.
• 7:31
  They
• 7:31
  want
• 7:31
  to
• 7:31
  sound
• 7:32
  like
• 7:32
  they're,
• 7:32
  they're
• 7:32
  good
• 7:32
  places
• 7:33
  for
• 7:33
  mums
• 7:33
  to
• 7:33
  work.
• 7:34
  I
• 7:34
  don't
• 7:34
  think
• 7:34
  they
• 7:35
  are.
• 7:35
  I
• 7:35
  think
• 7:35
  that
• 7:35
  they're
• 7:35
  flexible
• 7:36
  for
• 7:36
  dads,
• 7:37
  you
• 7:37
  know,
• 7:37
  if
• 7:37
  a
• 7:37
  dad
• 7:37
  needs
• 7:38
  to
• 7:38
  attend
• 7:38
  like
• 7:38
  a
• 7:39
  school
• 7:39
  assembly,
• 7:39
  you
• 7:40
  know,
• 7:40
  once
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  quarter
• 7:40
  or
• 7:41
  something.
• 7:41
  But
• 7:42
  for
• 7:42
  parents
• 7:43
  that
• 7:43
  are
• 7:43
  really
• 7:43
  needing
• 7:44
  that
• 7:44
  flexibility
• 7:44
  of
• 7:44
  like
• 7:45
  the
• 7:45
  kids
• 7:45
  are
• 7:45
  home
• 7:45
  sick
• 7:46
  and
• 7:46
  school
• 7:46
  hours
• 7:47
  and
• 7:47
  things
• 7:47
  like
• 7:47
  that.
• 7:48
  So
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  think,
• 7:48
  yeah,
• 7:49
  I
• 7:49
  really
• 7:49
  don't
• 7:49
  think
• 7:49
  that
• 7:49
  workplaces
• 7:50
  do
• 7:50
  offer
• 7:51
  any
• 7:51
  kind
• 7:52
  of
• 7:52
  flexibility
• 7:53
  or
• 7:53
  benefits
• 7:53
  for
• 7:54
  working
• 7:54
  parents.
• 7:54
  And
• 7:54
  I
• 7:54
  think
• 7:55
  that
• 7:55
  that's
• 7:55
  why
• 7:55
  so
• 7:56
  many
• 7:56
  people
• 7:56
  have
• 7:57
  kids
• 7:57
  and
• 7:57
  they're
• 7:57
  like,
• 7:58
  I'm
• 7:59
  going
• 7:59
  to
• 7:59
  start
• 7:59
  my
• 7:59
  own
• 7:59
  business,
• 7:59
  I'm
• 7:59
  going
• 8:00
  to
• 8:00
  be
• 8:00
  self
• 8:00
  employed,
• 8:00
  I'm
• 8:00
  going
• 8:00
  to
• 8:01
  have
• 8:01
  my
• 8:01
  own
• 8:01
  flexibility.
• 8:02
  And
• 8:02
  then
• 8:03
  you
• 8:03
  do
• 8:03
  have
• 8:03
  that
• 8:03
  flexibility.
• 8:04
  If
• 8:04
  you
• 8:04
  can
• 8:04
  make
• 8:04
  it
• 8:05
  successful,
• 8:05
  you
• 8:05
  can
• 8:06
  know,
• 8:06
  you
• 8:06
  can
• 8:06
  work
• 8:06
  in
• 8:06
  the
• 8:06
  weekends
• 8:07
  or
• 8:07
  the
• 8:07
  evenings
• 8:07
  or
• 8:08
  nap
• 8:08
  times.
• 8:09
  It's
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  different
• 8:09
  juggle.
• 8:10
  But
• 8:10
  you
• 8:10
  do
• 8:11
  have
• 8:11
  that
• 8:11
  flexibility
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  pick
• 8:12
  your
• 8:12
  own
• 8:12
  hours.
• 8:13
  And
• 8:13
  I
• 8:13
  think
• 8:14
  what
• 8:14
  you're
• 8:14
  picking
• 8:14
  up
• 8:14
  there
• 8:15
  as
• 8:15
  well
• 8:15
  is
• 8:15
  this
• 8:15
  idea
• 8:16
  of
• 8:16
  the,
• 8:16
  the
• 8:16
  overwhelm.
• 8:18
  It
• 8:18
  is
• 8:18
  just
• 8:19
  such
• 8:19
  a
• 8:20
  constant.
• 8:22
  It's
• 8:22
  a,
• 8:23
  it's
• 8:23
  a
• 8:23
  through
• 8:23
  line,
• 8:24
  through.
• 8:24
  A
• 8:24
  lot
• 8:24
  of
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  parenting
• 8:25
  journey
• 8:25
  is
• 8:26
  it's
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  overwhelm.
• 8:27
  And
• 8:27
  I
• 8:27
  think
• 8:28
  overwhelm
• 8:28
  can
• 8:29
  be
• 8:29
  really
• 8:29
  tricky
• 8:30
  for
• 8:31
  not
• 8:31
  just
• 8:31
  your
• 8:31
  working
• 8:31
  life
• 8:32
  but
• 8:32
  also
• 8:32
  your
• 8:32
  financial
• 8:32
  life.
• 8:33
  Right
• 8:33
  when
• 8:34
  you
• 8:34
  were
• 8:34
  hitting
• 8:34
  this
• 8:34
  overwhelm
• 8:35
  stage
• 8:35
  and
• 8:36
  you
• 8:36
  had,
• 8:36
  you
• 8:36
  know,
• 8:37
  one
• 8:37
  small
• 8:37
  child
• 8:37
  at
• 8:38
  that
• 8:38
  point,
• 8:39
  did
• 8:39
  it
• 8:39
  start
• 8:39
  hitting
• 8:39
  the
• 8:40
  finances
• 8:40
  too?
• 8:41
  Yeah,
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  think
• 8:41
  in
• 8:41
  ways
• 8:42
  that
• 8:42
  you
• 8:42
  probably
• 8:42
  don't
• 8:43
  like
• 8:43
  first
• 8:43
  expect
• 8:44
  for
• 8:44
  me
• 8:44
  staying
• 8:44
  at
• 8:44
  home
• 8:44
  with
• 8:45
  a
• 8:45
  young
• 8:45
  child
• 8:45
  was
• 8:45
  actually
• 8:45
  like
• 8:46
  quite
• 8:46
  detrimental
• 8:47
  to
• 8:47
  my
• 8:47
  mental
• 8:47
  health.
• 8:47
  And
• 8:48
  so
• 8:48
  getting
• 8:48
  out
• 8:48
  and
• 8:49
  about,
• 8:49
  whether
• 8:49
  that
• 8:49
  was
• 8:49
  just
• 8:50
  going
• 8:50
  to
• 8:50
  a
• 8:50
  playground,
• 8:51
  whether
• 8:51
  it
• 8:51
  was
• 8:51
  like
• 8:52
  going
• 8:52
  to
• 8:52
  a
• 8:52
  new
• 8:52
  cafe
• 8:53
  or
• 8:53
  doing
• 8:53
  something,
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  know,
• 8:54
  like
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  library
• 8:55
  or
• 8:55
  free
• 8:55
  activity,
• 8:56
  there
• 8:56
  are
• 8:56
  so
• 8:57
  many
• 8:57
  amazing
• 8:57
  free
• 8:57
  activities
• 8:58
  that
• 8:58
  you
• 8:58
  can
• 8:58
  do
• 8:58
  with
• 8:58
  kids.
• 8:59
  Like
• 8:59
  if
• 8:59
  we
• 8:59
  look
• 8:59
  at
• 8:59
  Auckland
• 9:00
  for
• 9:00
  example,
• 9:00
  which
• 9:00
  is
• 9:00
  where
• 9:00
  I
• 9:01
  first
• 9:01
  started
• 9:01
  sharing
• 9:02
  places
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  go,
• 9:03
  there
• 9:03
  are
• 9:03
  so
• 9:03
  many
• 9:03
  free
• 9:04
  activities
• 9:04
  that
• 9:04
  you
• 9:04
  can
• 9:05
  do
• 9:05
  and
• 9:05
  if
• 9:05
  you
• 9:05
  don't
• 9:05
  know
• 9:06
  about
• 9:06
  them,
• 9:06
  you're
• 9:06
  more
• 9:07
  than
• 9:07
  likely
• 9:07
  going
• 9:07
  to
• 9:08
  pay
• 9:08
  for
• 9:08
  an
• 9:08
  activity
• 9:08
  that
• 9:09
  you
• 9:09
  do
• 9:09
  know
• 9:09
  about,
• 9:09
  you
• 9:10
  know,
• 9:10
  so
• 9:10
  if
• 9:10
  you're
• 9:10
  thinking
• 9:10
  like,
• 9:10
  oh,
• 9:11
  I
• 9:11
  know
• 9:11
  there's
• 9:11
  a
• 9:11
  great
• 9:11
  indoor
• 9:12
  playground
• 9:12
  that
• 9:12
  we
• 9:12
  could
• 9:12
  go
• 9:12
  to
• 9:13
  and
• 9:13
  I
• 9:13
  have
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  pay
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  go
• 9:13
  there,
• 9:14
  you
• 9:14
  don't
• 9:14
  know
• 9:15
  that
• 9:15
  actually
• 9:15
  like
• 9:15
  the
• 9:16
  Maritime
• 9:16
  Museum
• 9:17
  is
• 9:17
  free
• 9:17
  and
• 9:17
  has
• 9:17
  a
• 9:17
  free
• 9:18
  make
• 9:18
  day
• 9:18
  for
• 9:18
  kids
• 9:19
  or
• 9:19
  something.
• 9:19
  Sometimes
• 9:20
  not
• 9:20
  knowing
• 9:20
  what's
• 9:21
  available
• 9:21
  where
• 9:21
  you
• 9:21
  can
• 9:21
  save
• 9:22
  money
• 9:22
  and
• 9:23
  for
• 9:23
  me
• 9:23
  often
• 9:24
  it
• 9:24
  was
• 9:24
  the
• 9:25
  real
• 9:25
  frustration,
• 9:25
  I'm
• 9:26
  sure
• 9:26
  other
• 9:26
  parents
• 9:26
  can
• 9:27
  relate
• 9:27
  to
• 9:27
  this
• 9:27
  of
• 9:27
  like
• 9:28
  wanting
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  go
• 9:28
  somewhere,
• 9:29
  paying
• 9:30
  to
• 9:30
  go.
• 9:30
  Whether
• 9:30
  it's
• 9:30
  like
• 9:31
  a
• 9:31
  cafe,
• 9:31
  you're
• 9:31
  paying
• 9:32
  for,
• 9:32
  you
• 9:32
  know,
• 9:32
  for
• 9:33
  a
• 9:33
  coffee
• 9:33
  and
• 9:33
  a
• 9:33
  fluffy
• 9:34
  or
• 9:34
  something
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  eat
• 9:35
  or
• 9:35
  whatever,
• 9:35
  or
• 9:36
  you're
• 9:36
  paying
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  go
• 9:36
  to
• 9:37
  an
• 9:37
  activity
• 9:37
  with
• 9:37
  your
• 9:37
  kids
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  then
• 9:38
  the
• 9:38
  kids
• 9:38
  don't
• 9:38
  like
• 9:39
  it,
• 9:39
  it's
• 9:39
  not
• 9:39
  what
• 9:39
  you
• 9:40
  expected.
• 9:40
  The
• 9:41
  coffee
• 9:41
  is
• 9:41
  really
• 9:41
  terrible
• 9:42
  and
• 9:42
  you're
• 9:42
  like,
• 9:42
  why
• 9:43
  did
• 9:43
  I
• 9:43
  pay
• 9:43
  for
• 9:43
  this?
• 9:44
  And
• 9:44
  now
• 9:44
  we're
• 9:44
  like
• 9:44
  back
• 9:44
  out
• 9:45
  on
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  street
• 9:45
  needing
• 9:45
  something
• 9:46
  else.
• 9:46
  Kids
• 9:46
  are
• 9:46
  yelling
• 9:46
  at
• 9:46
  me,
• 9:47
  I
• 9:47
  just
• 9:47
  spent
• 9:47
  too
• 9:47
  much
• 9:47
  money.
• 9:48
  This
• 9:48
  sucks,
• 9:49
  you
• 9:50
  know.
• 9:50
  Now
• 9:50
  with
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  cost
• 9:50
  of
• 9:51
  petrol
• 9:51
  as
• 9:51
  well,
• 9:51
  if
• 9:52
  you're
• 9:52
  driving
• 9:52
  somewhere,
• 9:53
  say
• 9:53
  you're
• 9:53
  driving
• 9:53
  across
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  city
• 9:54
  to
• 9:54
  go
• 9:54
  to
• 9:55
  something
• 9:55
  and
• 9:55
  it's
• 9:56
  not
• 9:56
  what
• 9:56
  you
• 9:56
  expected,
• 9:56
  it's
• 9:57
  disappointing
• 9:58
  your
• 9:58
  kid
• 9:58
  doesn't
• 9:58
  like
• 9:58
  it,
• 9:59
  it's
• 9:59
  not
• 9:59
  what
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  Google
• 10:00
  reviews
• 10:01
  said
• 10:01
  it
• 10:01
  was
• 10:01
  going
• 10:01
  to
• 10:01
  be
• 10:01
  like.
• 10:02
  You
• 10:02
  know,
• 10:03
  it's
• 10:03
  even
• 10:03
  more
• 10:04
  disappointing
• 10:04
  because
• 10:04
  you're
• 10:04
  like,
• 10:04
  we
• 10:05
  just
• 10:05
  paid
• 10:05
  quite
• 10:06
  a
• 10:06
  lot
• 10:06
  of
• 10:06
  petrol
• 10:06
  to
• 10:06
  get
• 10:06
  here,
• 10:07
  you
• 10:07
  know,
• 10:07
  so
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  think
• 10:08
  it's,
• 10:08
  it's
• 10:08
  those
• 10:08
  little
• 10:09
  costs
• 10:09
  that
• 10:09
  all
• 10:09
  add
• 10:09
  up
• 10:10
  over
• 10:10
  time,
• 10:10
  especially
• 10:10
  if
• 10:11
  you're
• 10:11
  a
• 10:11
  stay
• 10:11
  at
• 10:11
  home
• 10:11
  parent
• 10:11
  and
• 10:11
  you're
• 10:12
  looking
• 10:12
  for
• 10:12
  things
• 10:12
  to
• 10:12
  do
• 10:12
  like
• 10:13
  effectively
• 10:13
  every
• 10:13
  day
• 10:14
  and.
• 10:14
  I
• 10:14
  think
• 10:15
  there's
• 10:15
  a
• 10:15
  couple
• 10:15
  of
• 10:15
  things
• 10:16
  you
• 10:16
  picked
• 10:16
  up
• 10:16
  there
• 10:16
  as
• 10:17
  well
• 10:17
  where
• 10:17
  it's,
• 10:17
  it's
• 10:18
  the
• 10:18
  money,
• 10:18
  yes,
• 10:20
  but
• 10:20
  also
• 10:20
  the,
• 10:21
  the
• 10:21
  stress
• 10:21
  and
• 10:21
  the
• 10:21
  disappointment
• 10:22
  because
• 10:22
  you
• 10:22
  know
• 10:23
  when
• 10:23
  you
• 10:23
  said
• 10:23
  about
• 10:23
  the,
• 10:23
  the
• 10:24
  mental
• 10:24
  health
• 10:24
  aspects,
• 10:26
  it's
• 10:26
  such
• 10:26
  a
• 10:27
  huge
• 10:27
  life
• 10:28
  change
• 10:28
  and
• 10:29
  so
• 10:29
  many
• 10:29
  people
• 10:30
  do
• 10:30
  struggle
• 10:31
  with
• 10:31
  mental
• 10:32
  health.
• 10:32
  Even
• 10:32
  if
• 10:32
  it
• 10:33
  doesn't
• 10:33
  hit
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  level
• 10:34
  of
• 10:34
  postpartum
• 10:35
  depression
• 10:35
  or
• 10:35
  anything
• 10:35
  like
• 10:36
  that.
• 10:36
  I've
• 10:37
  sometimes
• 10:37
  described
• 10:38
  the
• 10:38
  journey
• 10:39
  into
• 10:39
  parenthood
• 10:39
  as
• 10:40
  sort
• 10:40
  of
• 10:40
  a
• 10:40
  bit
• 10:40
  of
• 10:40
  a
• 10:40
  phoenix
• 10:41
  thing.
• 10:41
  Where
• 10:42
  my
• 10:42
  old
• 10:43
  life
• 10:43
  died.
• 10:44
  Yeah.
• 10:45
  Yeah.
• 10:46
  And
• 10:47
  I
• 10:47
  really
• 10:47
  love
• 10:48
  my
• 10:48
  new
• 10:48
  life.
• 10:48
  I
• 10:49
  really
• 10:49
  do.
• 10:49
  Like,
• 10:49
  the
• 10:50
  Phoenix
• 10:50
  from
• 10:50
  the
• 10:50
  ashes
• 10:51
  is
• 10:51
  so
• 10:51
  true.
• 10:51
  I
• 10:51
  love
• 10:52
  my
• 10:52
  new
• 10:52
  life.
• 10:52
  That
• 10:53
  doesn't
• 10:53
  mean
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  burning
• 10:53
  down
• 10:54
  wasn't
• 10:55
  painful
• 10:55
  and
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  letting
• 10:56
  go
• 10:56
  of
• 10:57
  what
• 10:57
  you
• 10:57
  had
• 10:57
  was.
• 10:58
  Was
• 10:58
  painful.
• 11:00
  Wouldn't
• 11:00
  give
• 11:00
  it
• 11:00
  up
• 11:00
  for
• 11:00
  the
• 11:00
  world
• 11:01
  now.
• 11:02
  Still
• 11:02
  hard.
• 11:04
  And
• 11:04
  so
• 11:04
  I
• 11:04
  think
• 11:05
  then
• 11:05
  when
• 11:05
  you
• 11:05
  add
• 11:05
  in
• 11:06
  stuff
• 11:06
  like
• 11:06
  this
• 11:06
  and
• 11:06
  you're
• 11:07
  trying
• 11:07
  to
• 11:07
  balance
• 11:07
  the
• 11:07
  finances,
• 11:08
  but
• 11:08
  you're
• 11:08
  also
• 11:09
  trying
• 11:09
  to
• 11:09
  balance
• 11:10
  this
• 11:10
  constant
• 11:10
  background
• 11:11
  load
• 11:12
  of
• 11:12
  everything
• 11:13
  you
• 11:13
  have
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  do,
• 11:13
  You've
• 11:14
  got
• 11:14
  so
• 11:14
  much
• 11:14
  more
• 11:14
  responsibility.
• 11:15
  You're
• 11:15
  trying
• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
  manage
• 11:16
  their
• 11:16
  schedule,
• 11:17
  keep
• 11:17
  them
• 11:17
  happy,
• 11:17
  raise
• 11:18
  them
• 11:18
  well,
• 11:18
  and
• 11:19
  do
• 11:19
  things
• 11:19
  that
• 11:19
  also
• 11:20
  work
• 11:20
  for
• 11:20
  you.
• 11:20
  That
• 11:21
  background
• 11:21
  load
• 11:22
  to
• 11:22
  things
• 11:22
  is
• 11:22
  also
• 11:23
  quite
• 11:23
  hard.
• 11:23
  Right?
• 11:24
  Yeah.
• 11:24
  For
• 11:25
  me,
• 11:25
  the
• 11:25
  transition
• 11:25
  from
• 11:26
  going
• 11:26
  from
• 11:26
  no
• 11:26
  kids
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  one
• 11:27
  kid
• 11:28
  was
• 11:28
  significantly
• 11:28
  harder
• 11:29
  than
• 11:29
  going
• 11:29
  from
• 11:30
  one
• 11:30
  kid
• 11:31
  to
• 11:31
  two
• 11:31
  kids.
• 11:31
  Same.
• 11:32
  Because
• 11:32
  I
• 11:32
  feel
• 11:33
  like,
• 11:33
  for
• 11:33
  me,
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  hardest
• 11:34
  part
• 11:34
  of
• 11:34
  becoming
• 11:34
  a
• 11:34
  parent
• 11:35
  was
• 11:35
  that
• 11:35
  loss
• 11:36
  of
• 11:36
  my
• 11:36
  previous
• 11:37
  life.
• 11:37
  And
• 11:37
  so
• 11:38
  where
• 11:38
  I
• 11:38
  could
• 11:38
  just
• 11:39
  go
• 11:39
  out
• 11:39
  for
• 11:39
  dinner
• 11:39
  with
• 11:39
  my
• 11:39
  friends
• 11:40
  whenever
• 11:40
  I
• 11:40
  wanted,
• 11:41
  I
• 11:41
  could,
• 11:41
  you
• 11:41
  know,
• 11:41
  go
• 11:42
  on
• 11:42
  a
• 11:42
  holiday
• 11:42
  if
• 11:43
  I
• 11:43
  wanted.
• 11:43
  I
• 11:43
  could
• 11:44
  pick
• 11:44
  a
• 11:44
  restaurant
• 11:45
  based
• 11:45
  on
• 11:45
  my
• 11:45
  own
• 11:45
  needs.
• 11:46
  Suddenly
• 11:46
  I'm
• 11:47
  having
• 11:47
  to
• 11:47
  think
• 11:47
  about,
• 11:47
  like,
• 11:48
  somebody
• 11:48
  else
• 11:49
  all
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  time
• 11:49
  and
• 11:50
  just
• 11:51
  losing
• 11:51
  that
• 11:51
  kind
• 11:51
  of,
• 11:51
  like,
• 11:51
  a
• 11:52
  bit
• 11:52
  of
• 11:52
  freedom
• 11:52
  and,
• 11:53
  you
• 11:53
  know,
• 11:53
  working
• 11:54
  in
• 11:54
  a
• 11:54
  job
• 11:54
  that
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  really
• 11:54
  love,
• 11:55
  you
• 11:55
  know,
• 11:55
  losing
• 11:55
  that
• 11:55
  kind
• 11:56
  of,
• 11:56
  like,
• 11:56
  core
• 11:56
  corporate
• 11:56
  identity
• 11:57
  and
• 11:57
  then
• 11:58
  also
• 11:58
  becoming
• 11:58
  a
• 11:58
  mother
• 11:59
  and
• 11:59
  just
• 12:00
  everything
• 12:00
  changing
• 12:01
  all
• 12:01
  at
• 12:01
  once.
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  found
• 12:01
  that
• 12:02
  transition
• 12:02
  so
• 12:02
  hard.
• 12:03
  Whereas
• 12:03
  when
• 12:03
  I
• 12:03
  had
• 12:03
  my
• 12:04
  second,
• 12:04
  it
• 12:04
  was
• 12:04
  like,
• 12:05
  well,
• 12:05
  I'm
• 12:05
  already
• 12:06
  used
• 12:06
  to,
• 12:06
  you
• 12:06
  know,
• 12:06
  thinking
• 12:06
  about
• 12:07
  naps
• 12:07
  or
• 12:07
  thinking
• 12:07
  about
• 12:08
  nappies
• 12:08
  or
• 12:08
  thinking
• 12:08
  about,
• 12:09
  have
• 12:09
  I
• 12:09
  got
• 12:09
  wipes
• 12:09
  in
• 12:09
  the
• 12:10
  bag?
• 12:10
  Or
• 12:10
  thinking
• 12:10
  about,
• 12:11
  like,
• 12:11
  what
• 12:11
  playground
• 12:12
  is
• 12:12
  going
• 12:12
  to
• 12:12
  be
• 12:12
  suitable
• 12:12
  for
• 12:12
  my
• 12:13
  kids
• 12:13
  today?
• 12:13
  And
• 12:14
  so
• 12:14
  a
• 12:14
  lot
• 12:14
  of
• 12:14
  that
• 12:14
  stuff
• 12:15
  was
• 12:15
  different
• 12:16
  second
• 12:16
  time
• 12:16
  around
• 12:16
  to
• 12:17
  first
• 12:17
  time,
• 12:17
  but
• 12:17
  first
• 12:18
  time
• 12:18
  I
• 12:18
  found
• 12:18
  it
• 12:19
  so
• 12:19
  hard
• 12:19
  because
• 12:20
  it's
• 12:20
  like,
• 12:20
  you
• 12:20
  don't
• 12:20
  know
• 12:21
  what
• 12:21
  you
• 12:21
  don't
• 12:21
  know.
• 12:21
  And,
• 12:21
  you
• 12:22
  know,
• 12:22
  we
• 12:22
  had.
• 12:22
  We
• 12:22
  have
• 12:22
  this
• 12:22
  pram,
• 12:22
  it's,
• 12:23
  like,
• 12:23
  quite
• 12:23
  wide.
• 12:23
  And
• 12:23
  I'd
• 12:23
  be
• 12:24
  like,
• 12:24
  is
• 12:24
  it
• 12:25
  gonna.
• 12:25
  You
• 12:25
  know,
• 12:25
  is
• 12:25
  it
• 12:25
  gonna
• 12:25
  fit?
• 12:26
  I
• 12:26
  had
• 12:26
  this
• 12:26
  one
• 12:27
  instance,
• 12:27
  like,
• 12:27
  in
• 12:27
  a
• 12:27
  cafe
• 12:28
  where
• 12:28
  it
• 12:28
  was,
• 12:28
  like,
• 12:28
  getting
• 12:29
  caught
• 12:29
  on
• 12:29
  every
• 12:29
  single
• 12:30
  chair
• 12:30
  as
• 12:30
  we're
• 12:30
  walking
• 12:31
  through.
• 12:31
  And
• 12:31
  I
• 12:31
  was
• 12:31
  like,
• 12:32
  never
• 12:32
  again.
• 12:32
  We're
• 12:32
  never
• 12:32
  coming
• 12:33
  back
• 12:33
  here.
• 12:34
  This
• 12:34
  place
• 12:34
  is
• 12:34
  off
• 12:34
  the
• 12:35
  list.
• 12:35
  Yeah.
• 12:35
  Dead
• 12:35
  to
• 12:35
  me.
• 12:36
  And
• 12:36
  so
• 12:36
  it's
• 12:37
  like
• 12:37
  those
• 12:37
  kind
• 12:37
  of
• 12:38
  things
• 12:38
  that
• 12:38
  I
• 12:38
  Had
• 12:38
  never
• 12:38
  had
• 12:38
  to
• 12:39
  think
• 12:39
  about
• 12:39
  before.
• 12:39
  I
• 12:39
  would
• 12:40
  look
• 12:40
  at
• 12:40
  a
• 12:40
  cafe
• 12:40
  online
• 12:40
  and
• 12:41
  be
• 12:41
  like,
• 12:41
  oh,
• 12:41
  looks
• 12:41
  kind
• 12:41
  of
• 12:41
  like
• 12:41
  trendy.
• 12:42
  I'll
• 12:42
  go
• 12:42
  there,
• 12:42
  you
• 12:43
  know,
• 12:43
  probably
• 12:43
  got
• 12:43
  good
• 12:43
  coffee.
• 12:44
  And
• 12:44
  now
• 12:44
  I'm
• 12:44
  thinking
• 12:44
  like,
• 12:44
  but
• 12:45
  is
• 12:45
  there
• 12:45
  a
• 12:45
  change
• 12:45
  table?
• 12:46
  What
• 12:46
  happens
• 12:46
  if
• 12:46
  there's
• 12:47
  like,
• 12:47
  you
• 12:47
  know,
• 12:47
  a
• 12:47
  nappy
• 12:47
  explosion?
• 12:48
  Like
• 12:49
  all
• 12:49
  of
• 12:49
  these
• 12:49
  new
• 12:49
  things
• 12:50
  that
• 12:50
  you're
• 12:50
  having
• 12:50
  to
• 12:50
  think
• 12:50
  about
• 12:51
  that
• 12:51
  you
• 12:51
  just
• 12:51
  never
• 12:51
  had
• 12:52
  to
• 12:52
  think
• 12:52
  about
• 12:52
  before.
• 12:52
  And,
• 12:53
  and
• 12:53
  then
• 12:54
  on
• 12:54
  top
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  that,
• 12:54
  you
• 12:54
  know,
• 12:54
  as
• 12:55
  you
• 12:55
  say,
• 12:55
  it's
• 12:55
  just
• 12:55
  like
• 12:55
  the
• 12:56
  normal
• 12:56
  background
• 12:56
  noise
• 12:57
  of
• 12:57
  your
• 12:57
  life
• 12:57
  anyway.
• 12:58
  So
• 12:58
  whether
• 12:58
  that's
• 12:58
  like
• 12:59
  going
• 12:59
  back
• 12:59
  to
• 12:59
  work,
• 12:59
  whether
• 13:00
  that's
• 13:00
  like,
• 13:00
  you
• 13:01
  know,
• 13:01
  trying
• 13:01
  to
• 13:01
  keep
• 13:01
  in
• 13:01
  touch
• 13:01
  with
• 13:01
  your
• 13:02
  parents
• 13:02
  or
• 13:02
  trying
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  have
• 13:02
  a.
• 13:03
  Maintain
• 13:03
  a
• 13:03
  social
• 13:03
  life
• 13:04
  or
• 13:04
  keep
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  house
• 13:05
  running
• 13:05
  or,
• 13:05
  you
• 13:06
  know,
• 13:06
  I
• 13:06
  was
• 13:06
  listening
• 13:06
  to
• 13:06
  something
• 13:07
  this
• 13:07
  morning
• 13:07
  on
• 13:07
  my
• 13:07
  drive
• 13:08
  in
• 13:08
  here
• 13:08
  and
• 13:08
  it
• 13:08
  was.
• 13:08
  They
• 13:09
  were
• 13:09
  interviewing
• 13:11
  men
• 13:11
  about
• 13:11
  how
• 13:11
  often
• 13:11
  they
• 13:12
  changed
• 13:12
  bedsheets.
• 13:12
  Anyway,
• 13:13
  it
• 13:13
  was
• 13:13
  a
• 13:13
  whole
• 13:13
  thing
• 13:13
  about.
• 13:14
  Did
• 13:14
  you.
• 13:14
  Was
• 13:15
  this
• 13:15
  on
• 13:15
  Shameless?
• 13:15
  Yes.
• 13:15
  Oh
• 13:16
  my
• 13:16
  God,
• 13:17
  so
• 13:18
  good.
• 13:18
  I
• 13:19
  know.
• 13:19
  And
• 13:19
  some
• 13:19
  of
• 13:19
  the
• 13:20
  men
• 13:20
  are
• 13:20
  like,
• 13:20
  oh,
• 13:21
  yeah,
• 13:21
  I
• 13:21
  change
• 13:21
  my
• 13:21
  bed
• 13:22
  sheets
• 13:22
  once
• 13:22
  a
• 13:22
  year.
• 13:22
  I'm
• 13:23
  like,
• 13:23
  you
• 13:23
  filthy
• 13:24
  feral.
• 13:25
  Almost
• 13:25
  all
• 13:26
  of
• 13:26
  them
• 13:26
  said
• 13:26
  that
• 13:26
  it
• 13:26
  was
• 13:27
  either
• 13:27
  they
• 13:27
  live
• 13:27
  at
• 13:27
  home
• 13:28
  and
• 13:28
  their
• 13:28
  mum
• 13:28
  does
• 13:28
  it
• 13:28
  or
• 13:29
  their,
• 13:29
  their
• 13:29
  girlfriend
• 13:30
  or
• 13:30
  wife
• 13:30
  does
• 13:30
  it.
• 13:30
  And
• 13:31
  I
• 13:31
  was
• 13:31
  like,
• 13:32
  what?
• 13:32
  Sorry,
• 13:33
  like
• 13:33
  what?
• 13:34
  But
• 13:34
  yeah,
• 13:35
  and
• 13:35
  so
• 13:35
  it's
• 13:36
  like,
• 13:36
  you
• 13:36
  know,
• 13:36
  all
• 13:36
  of
• 13:36
  these
• 13:37
  things,
• 13:37
  like
• 13:37
  looking
• 13:37
  after,
• 13:38
  like
• 13:38
  day
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  day
• 13:39
  household
• 13:39
  stuff,
• 13:40
  you
• 13:40
  know,
• 13:40
  changing
• 13:40
  your
• 13:40
  sheets
• 13:41
  more
• 13:41
  than
• 13:41
  once
• 13:41
  a
• 13:41
  year.
• 13:42
  Like,
• 13:42
  these
• 13:42
  are
• 13:42
  all
• 13:42
  of
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  extra
• 13:43
  things
• 13:43
  that
• 13:43
  you're
• 13:43
  also
• 13:44
  thinking
• 13:44
  about.
• 13:45
  And
• 13:45
  I
• 13:45
  feel
• 13:45
  like
• 13:45
  when
• 13:45
  you're
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  parent,
• 13:46
  it's
• 13:46
  just
• 13:46
  like
• 13:46
  more
• 13:46
  things
• 13:47
  getting
• 13:47
  piled
• 13:47
  on
• 13:47
  top.
• 13:47
  Like
• 13:48
  now
• 13:48
  you
• 13:48
  have
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  think
• 13:48
  about
• 13:48
  like
• 13:49
  all
• 13:49
  these
• 13:49
  extra
• 13:49
  things.
• 13:49
  Lunchboxes,
• 13:50
  nappy
• 13:51
  bags,
• 13:51
  nap
• 13:51
  schedules.
• 13:52
  Will
• 13:52
  your
• 13:52
  pram
• 13:52
  fit
• 13:53
  in
• 13:53
  the
• 13:53
  cafe?
• 13:53
  Like
• 13:54
  just
• 13:54
  layers
• 13:54
  upon
• 13:55
  layers
• 13:55
  upon
• 13:55
  layers
• 13:56
  of
• 13:56
  extra
• 13:56
  things
• 13:57
  to
• 13:57
  think
• 13:57
  about.
• 13:58
  It's
• 13:58
  a
• 13:58
  lot.
• 13:59
  I
• 13:59
  really,
• 14:00
  I
• 14:00
  was
• 14:00
  listening
• 14:00
  to
• 14:00
  that
• 14:01
  exact
• 14:01
  podcast.
• 14:01
  It's
• 14:02
  so
• 14:02
  good.
• 14:03
  It's
• 14:03
  so
• 14:03
  good.
• 14:04
  It's
• 14:05
  so
• 14:05
  funny.
• 14:06
  Every
• 14:07
  woman
• 14:07
  listens
• 14:08
  to
• 14:08
  that
• 14:08
  podcast
• 14:09
  is
• 14:09
  just
• 14:09
  like,
• 14:09
  yes.
• 14:10
  What
• 14:10
  you
• 14:10
  were
• 14:10
  saying
• 14:11
  before
• 14:11
  about
• 14:11
  the,
• 14:11
  the
• 14:12
  parenting.
• 14:12
  And
• 14:12
  I've
• 14:13
  said
• 14:13
  this
• 14:13
  to
• 14:13
  people
• 14:13
  before
• 14:13
  because
• 14:14
  I
• 14:14
  know
• 14:14
  there's
• 14:14
  a
• 14:14
  lot
• 14:14
  of
• 14:14
  discourse
• 14:15
  online
• 14:15
  about
• 14:16
  like,
• 14:16
  whether
• 14:16
  it's
• 14:17
  worth
• 14:17
  it,
• 14:17
  becoming
• 14:17
  a
• 14:18
  parent
• 14:18
  and
• 14:18
  yada
• 14:18
  yada.
• 14:19
  And
• 14:19
  I
• 14:20
  always
• 14:20
  sort
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  land
• 14:21
  on.
• 14:22
  There
• 14:22
  are
• 14:22
  so
• 14:23
  many
• 14:23
  things
• 14:23
  about
• 14:23
  parenting
• 14:24
  that
• 14:24
  it's
• 14:24
  easy
• 14:24
  for
• 14:24
  me
• 14:25
  to
• 14:25
  describe
• 14:25
  that
• 14:25
  are
• 14:25
  the
• 14:26
  hard
• 14:26
  bits.
• 14:26
  And
• 14:27
  it
• 14:27
  is
• 14:27
  so
• 14:27
  hard
• 14:28
  to
• 14:28
  describe
• 14:29
  the
• 14:29
  intangible
• 14:30
  bits
• 14:30
  that
• 14:30
  make
• 14:31
  it
• 14:32
  more
• 14:32
  than
• 14:32
  worthwhile.
• 14:33
  You
• 14:33
  know,
• 14:34
  it's
• 14:34
  so
• 14:34
  funny
• 14:34
  because
• 14:34
  all
• 14:35
  of
• 14:35
  Those
• 14:35
  things
• 14:35
  about
• 14:36
  like
• 14:36
  literally
• 14:37
  yesterday
• 14:38
  we
• 14:38
  had
• 14:38
  a
• 14:39
  hard
• 14:39
  day.
• 14:40
  My
• 14:40
  4
• 14:40
  year
• 14:41
  old
• 14:41
  is
• 14:43
  me
• 14:43
  in
• 14:44
  small
• 14:44
  boy
• 14:44
  form
• 14:45
  and
• 14:45
  he
• 14:46
  is
• 14:47
  strident
• 14:48
  and
• 14:48
  bossy
• 14:49
  and
• 14:50
  opinionated
• 14:51
  and
• 14:51
  I
• 14:51
  can't
• 14:52
  be
• 14:52
  mad
• 14:52
  about
• 14:52
  any
• 14:53
  of
• 14:53
  that
• 14:53
  because
• 14:53
  I
• 14:53
  know
• 14:54
  exactly
• 14:54
  where
• 14:54
  it
• 14:54
  came
• 14:54
  from.
• 14:55
  Yeah.
• 14:56
  But
• 14:56
  he's
• 14:57
  asserting
• 14:58
  himself
• 14:59
  lately.
• 15:00
  And
• 15:00
  yet,
• 15:01
  you
• 15:01
  know,
• 15:01
  after
• 15:02
  quite
• 15:02
  a
• 15:02
  tough
• 15:02
  day
• 15:03
  where
• 15:03
  we
• 15:03
  had
• 15:03
  several
• 15:04
  check
• 15:04
  ins
• 15:04
  on
• 15:05
  attitude
• 15:06
  and
• 15:06
  how
• 15:07
  to
• 15:07
  behave
• 15:07
  to
• 15:07
  get
• 15:08
  along
• 15:08
  with
• 15:08
  your
• 15:08
  family
• 15:10
  also,
• 15:10
  you
• 15:11
  know,
• 15:11
  at
• 15:11
  the
• 15:11
  end
• 15:11
  of
• 15:11
  the
• 15:11
  day
• 15:12
  we're
• 15:12
  in
• 15:12
  bed
• 15:13
  together,
• 15:13
  like
• 15:13
  snuggled
• 15:14
  up.
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  have
• 15:14
  to
• 15:14
  be
• 15:14
  under
• 15:15
  the
• 15:15
  covers
• 15:15
  too
• 15:15
  for
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  last
• 15:17
  cuddle
• 15:17
  of
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  night,
• 15:17
  otherwise
• 15:18
  I
• 15:18
  also
• 15:18
  get
• 15:18
  told
• 15:18
  off.
• 15:18
  But
• 15:19
  that's
• 15:19
  quite
• 15:19
  cute,
• 15:19
  so
• 15:19
  I
• 15:19
  don't
• 15:20
  mind.
• 15:20
  And
• 15:21
  we're
• 15:21
  just
• 15:21
  like
• 15:21
  cuddled
• 15:22
  up
• 15:22
  and
• 15:22
  having
• 15:22
  our
• 15:22
  last
• 15:22
  little
• 15:23
  like
• 15:23
  chit
• 15:23
  chat
• 15:23
  about
• 15:24
  the
• 15:24
  day.
• 15:24
  And
• 15:24
  I
• 15:24
  have
• 15:25
  never
• 15:25
  felt
• 15:25
  love
• 15:25
  like
• 15:26
  it,
• 15:26
  like
• 15:27
  it
• 15:27
  is
• 15:27
  so.
• 15:27
  And
• 15:28
  that
• 15:28
  is
• 15:28
  so
• 15:29
  hard
• 15:29
  to
• 15:29
  describe
• 15:30
  to
• 15:30
  someone
• 15:30
  and
• 15:31
  yet
• 15:31
  if
• 15:31
  I
• 15:31
  could
• 15:32
  please
• 15:32
  have
• 15:32
  that
• 15:33
  without
• 15:33
  the
• 15:33
  rest
• 15:33
  of
• 15:34
  the
• 15:34
  day
• 15:34
  being
• 15:34
  hard
• 15:34
  first,
• 15:35
  that
• 15:35
  would
• 15:35
  be
• 15:36
  neat.
• 15:37
  And
• 15:37
  so,
• 15:38
  you
• 15:38
  know,
• 15:38
  you're
• 15:38
  hitting
• 15:38
  that
• 15:39
  stage
• 15:39
  where
• 15:39
  you're
• 15:39
  like,
• 15:40
  there's
• 15:41
  so
• 15:41
  many
• 15:41
  amazing
• 15:41
  bits
• 15:41
  of
• 15:42
  this,
• 15:42
  but
• 15:42
  there's
• 15:42
  bits
• 15:42
  that
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  think
• 15:43
  could
• 15:43
  be
• 15:43
  easier
• 15:44
  and
• 15:44
  you
• 15:45
  land
• 15:45
  on.
• 15:45
  You're
• 15:46
  gonna
• 15:46
  become
• 15:46
  a
• 15:46
  tech
• 15:46
  founder.
• 15:47
  Yeah,
• 15:48
  yeah.
• 15:49
  What
• 15:49
  was
• 15:49
  that
• 15:50
  moment
• 15:50
  when
• 15:50
  you're
• 15:50
  like,
• 15:50
  actually,
• 15:51
  you
• 15:51
  know
• 15:51
  what,
• 15:51
  this
• 15:51
  is
• 15:51
  a
• 15:51
  problem
• 15:51
  and
• 15:52
  I'm
• 15:52
  gonna
• 15:52
  do
• 15:52
  something
• 15:53
  I.
• 15:53
  Think,
• 15:53
  you
• 15:54
  know,
• 15:54
  touching
• 15:54
  on
• 15:54
  the
• 15:54
  point
• 15:54
  that
• 15:55
  you
• 15:55
  made
• 15:55
  as
• 15:55
  well.
• 15:56
  It's,
• 15:56
  you
• 15:56
  know,
• 15:56
  you
• 15:57
  can
• 15:57
  have
• 15:57
  these
• 15:57
  really
• 15:57
  hard
• 15:57
  days
• 15:58
  and
• 15:58
  then
• 15:59
  it's
• 15:59
  like
• 15:59
  beautiful
• 15:59
  moments
• 16:00
  within
• 16:00
  the
• 16:00
  day
• 16:01
  as
• 16:01
  well.
• 16:01
  And
• 16:01
  it's
• 16:01
  hard
• 16:01
  to
• 16:02
  describe
• 16:02
  those.
• 16:02
  I
• 16:02
  think
• 16:03
  that
• 16:03
  if
• 16:03
  you
• 16:04
  can
• 16:04
  find
• 16:04
  a
• 16:04
  way
• 16:04
  to
• 16:05
  have
• 16:05
  more
• 16:05
  of
• 16:05
  those
• 16:05
  beautiful
• 16:06
  moments
• 16:06
  in
• 16:06
  your
• 16:06
  day
• 16:07
  and
• 16:07
  I
• 16:07
  find
• 16:08
  for
• 16:08
  me
• 16:08
  personally,
• 16:09
  if
• 16:09
  I'm
• 16:09
  less
• 16:10
  stressed
• 16:10
  or
• 16:10
  if
• 16:11
  I'm,
• 16:11
  you
• 16:11
  know,
• 16:11
  in
• 16:11
  a
• 16:12
  better
• 16:12
  head
• 16:12
  space,
• 16:13
  we
• 16:13
  do
• 16:13
  have
• 16:14
  more
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  those
• 16:14
  moments.
• 16:14
  I'm
• 16:15
  not
• 16:15
  as
• 16:15
  kind
• 16:15
  of
• 16:15
  reactive
• 16:16
  or
• 16:16
  things
• 16:16
  don't
• 16:16
  upset
• 16:17
  me
• 16:17
  as
• 16:17
  much.
• 16:17
  I've
• 16:17
  got
• 16:17
  more
• 16:17
  patience.
• 16:18
  You
• 16:18
  don't
• 16:19
  spiral
• 16:19
  together
• 16:20
  because
• 16:20
  when
• 16:21
  we're
• 16:21
  in
• 16:21
  a
• 16:21
  bad
• 16:21
  mood,
• 16:21
  it's
• 16:22
  gonna
• 16:22
  set
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  kids
• 16:22
  off
• 16:22
  even
• 16:22
  more
• 16:22
  too.
• 16:23
  Yeah.
• 16:23
  And
• 16:23
  so
• 16:24
  I
• 16:24
  think
• 16:24
  that
• 16:24
  for
• 16:24
  me,
• 16:25
  you
• 16:25
  know,
• 16:25
  as
• 16:25
  I
• 16:25
  said,
• 16:26
  going
• 16:26
  out
• 16:26
  and
• 16:26
  doing
• 16:26
  stuff
• 16:27
  was
• 16:27
  better
• 16:27
  for
• 16:27
  my
• 16:27
  mental
• 16:27
  health.
• 16:28
  My
• 16:28
  life
• 16:28
  is
• 16:28
  more
• 16:28
  joyful
• 16:29
  from
• 16:29
  having
• 16:29
  these
• 16:30
  experiences
• 16:30
  because
• 16:30
  I'm
• 16:31
  going
• 16:31
  somewhere
• 16:31
  that
• 16:31
  I
• 16:31
  know
• 16:31
  she's
• 16:32
  gonna
• 16:32
  love.
• 16:32
  I'm
• 16:33
  going
• 16:33
  somewhere
• 16:33
  that
• 16:33
  I'm
• 16:33
  gonna
• 16:34
  love.
• 16:34
  This
• 16:34
  is
• 16:34
  filling
• 16:34
  both
• 16:35
  of
• 16:35
  our
• 16:35
  cups.
• 16:36
  And
• 16:36
  then
• 16:36
  I
• 16:36
  would
• 16:36
  share
• 16:36
  those
• 16:37
  recommendations
• 16:37
  and
• 16:38
  before
• 16:38
  I
• 16:38
  had
• 16:38
  posted
• 16:39
  lots
• 16:39
  of
• 16:39
  like,
• 16:39
  you
• 16:39
  know,
• 16:39
  silly
• 16:40
  little
• 16:40
  videos
• 16:40
  on
• 16:40
  the
• 16:40
  Internet
• 16:41
  and
• 16:41
  this
• 16:42
  this
• 16:42
  was
• 16:42
  the
• 16:42
  first
• 16:42
  time
• 16:42
  that
• 16:42
  my
• 16:43
  videos
• 16:43
  really
• 16:43
  started
• 16:43
  to
• 16:44
  kind
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  like,
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  guess
• 16:45
  take
• 16:45
  off
• 16:45
  in
• 16:45
  the
• 16:45
  sense
• 16:46
  that
• 16:46
  people
• 16:46
  were
• 16:46
  sharing
• 16:46
  them
• 16:46
  or
• 16:47
  commenting
• 16:47
  them
• 16:47
  or
• 16:47
  sending
• 16:48
  them
• 16:48
  to
• 16:48
  friends.
• 16:48
  And
• 16:49
  I
• 16:49
  realized
• 16:49
  like
• 16:50
  other
• 16:50
  people
• 16:50
  feel
• 16:50
  the
• 16:50
  same
• 16:51
  as
• 16:51
  I
• 16:51
  do.
• 16:51
  Other
• 16:51
  people
• 16:52
  also
• 16:52
  want
• 16:52
  to
• 16:52
  go
• 16:53
  out
• 16:53
  for
• 16:53
  dinner
• 16:54
  somewhere
• 16:54
  that
• 16:54
  their
• 16:54
  kids
• 16:54
  are
• 16:55
  going
• 16:55
  to
• 16:55
  have
• 16:55
  a
• 16:55
  play
• 16:55
  area
• 16:55
  to
• 16:56
  play
• 16:56
  and
• 16:56
  they
• 16:56
  also
• 16:57
  want
• 16:57
  to
• 16:57
  go
• 16:57
  to
• 16:57
  a
• 16:57
  cafe
• 16:58
  that's
• 16:58
  got
• 16:58
  a
• 16:58
  playground
• 16:59
  for
• 16:59
  their
• 16:59
  kids.
• 16:59
  They
• 16:59
  also
• 17:00
  want
• 17:00
  to
• 17:00
  find
• 17:01
  a
• 17:01
  really
• 17:01
  epic
• 17:01
  pram
• 17:02
  friendly
• 17:02
  walk
• 17:02
  that
• 17:02
  they
• 17:02
  can
• 17:02
  go
• 17:03
  on
• 17:03
  so
• 17:03
  that
• 17:03
  they
• 17:03
  can
• 17:03
  get
• 17:04
  some
• 17:04
  time
• 17:04
  out
• 17:04
  in
• 17:04
  nature,
• 17:05
  go
• 17:05
  for
• 17:05
  a
• 17:05
  walk,
• 17:06
  not
• 17:06
  have
• 17:06
  to
• 17:06
  find
• 17:07
  that
• 17:07
  the
• 17:07
  face
• 17:07
  of
• 17:07
  the
• 17:07
  stairs
• 17:08
  at
• 17:08
  the
• 17:08
  end
• 17:08
  of
• 17:08
  it
• 17:08
  and
• 17:08
  like
• 17:08
  stuck
• 17:09
  with
• 17:09
  a
• 17:09
  baby
• 17:09
  in
• 17:09
  a
• 17:09
  pram,
• 17:10
  you
• 17:10
  know,
• 17:10
  I
• 17:11
  really
• 17:11
  realized
• 17:11
  that
• 17:11
  this
• 17:12
  isn't
• 17:12
  just
• 17:12
  a
• 17:12
  unique
• 17:12
  experience
• 17:13
  to
• 17:13
  me.
• 17:13
  And
• 17:14
  there's
• 17:14
  no
• 17:14
  truly
• 17:14
  unique
• 17:15
  experience
• 17:15
  in
• 17:15
  parenting.
• 17:16
  It's
• 17:16
  like
• 17:16
  you
• 17:16
  have
• 17:17
  an
• 17:17
  experience
• 17:17
  and
• 17:17
  you're
• 17:17
  like,
• 17:18
  oh
• 17:18
  actually
• 17:19
  yeah,
• 17:19
  everybody
• 17:20
  or
• 17:20
  at
• 17:20
  least
• 17:20
  some
• 17:21
  people
• 17:21
  have
• 17:21
  had
• 17:21
  this
• 17:21
  experience
• 17:21
  as
• 17:22
  well.
• 17:22
  And
• 17:22
  then
• 17:22
  I
• 17:23
  kind
• 17:23
  of
• 17:23
  realized,
• 17:23
  oh,
• 17:24
  like
• 17:24
  this
• 17:24
  is
• 17:24
  a,
• 17:25
  I
• 17:25
  guess
• 17:25
  an
• 17:26
  opportunity
• 17:26
  to
• 17:27
  be
• 17:27
  something
• 17:28
  bigger
• 17:28
  than
• 17:28
  it
• 17:28
  is
• 17:28
  or
• 17:29
  to
• 17:29
  be
• 17:29
  more
• 17:29
  than
• 17:29
  just
• 17:30
  a
• 17:30
  TikTok
• 17:30
  recommendation,
• 17:31
  you
• 17:31
  know,
• 17:32
  from
• 17:32
  sharing
• 17:33
  videos
• 17:33
  on
• 17:33
  TikTok.
• 17:34
  I
• 17:34
  then
• 17:34
  built
• 17:34
  this
• 17:34
  really
• 17:35
  basic
• 17:35
  Google
• 17:36
  map
• 17:36
  and
• 17:37
  I
• 17:37
  was,
• 17:37
  I
• 17:37
  made
• 17:37
  a
• 17:37
  website
• 17:38
  on
• 17:38
  Squarespace.
• 17:39
  I
• 17:39
  just
• 17:39
  kind
• 17:39
  of
• 17:39
  YouTube
• 17:40
  videoed
• 17:40
  how
• 17:40
  to
• 17:40
  do
• 17:40
  everything,
• 17:41
  kind
• 17:41
  of
• 17:41
  made
• 17:42
  a
• 17:42
  PDF
• 17:43
  that
• 17:43
  people
• 17:43
  would
• 17:43
  get
• 17:44
  a
• 17:44
  digital
• 17:44
  download
• 17:44
  and
• 17:45
  then
• 17:45
  I
• 17:45
  was
• 17:45
  manually
• 17:45
  adding
• 17:46
  them,
• 17:46
  giving
• 17:46
  them
• 17:46
  access
• 17:47
  to
• 17:47
  this
• 17:47
  map.
• 17:47
  And
• 17:48
  it
• 17:48
  was
• 17:48
  so
• 17:48
  basic,
• 17:48
  but
• 17:49
  it
• 17:49
  kind
• 17:49
  of
• 17:49
  worked.
• 17:49
  I
• 17:49
  only
• 17:50
  had
• 17:50
  about,
• 17:50
  I
• 17:50
  think
• 17:51
  There
• 17:51
  was
• 17:51
  like
• 17:51
  80
• 17:51
  spots
• 17:52
  across
• 17:52
  Auckland
• 17:52
  on
• 17:53
  this
• 17:53
  first
• 17:53
  one.
• 17:53
  It
• 17:53
  was
• 17:53
  called
• 17:53
  Roaming
• 17:54
  Auckland.
• 17:55
  And
• 17:55
  that
• 17:55
  was
• 17:55
  like
• 17:55
  the
• 17:55
  first
• 17:56
  version
• 17:56
  of
• 17:56
  it.
• 17:56
  And
• 17:56
  I
• 17:56
  was
• 17:56
  just
• 17:57
  kind
• 17:57
  of
• 17:57
  selling
• 17:57
  that
• 17:58
  and
• 17:58
  I
• 17:58
  think
• 17:58
  maybe
• 17:59
  sold
• 17:59
  about
• 17:59
  500
• 18:00
  copies
• 18:01
  of
• 18:01
  that
• 18:02
  first
• 18:02
  map.
• 18:03
  And
• 18:03
  then
• 18:03
  I
• 18:03
  started
• 18:03
  to
• 18:04
  think,
• 18:04
  oh,
• 18:05
  it'll
• 18:05
  be
• 18:05
  so
• 18:05
  this
• 18:06
  could
• 18:06
  be
• 18:06
  so
• 18:06
  much
• 18:06
  better.
• 18:07
  You
• 18:07
  know,
• 18:07
  when
• 18:08
  I
• 18:08
  first
• 18:08
  made
• 18:08
  it,
• 18:08
  I
• 18:08
  was
• 18:09
  like,
• 18:09
  this
• 18:09
  is
• 18:09
  so
• 18:09
  cool.
• 18:10
  And
• 18:10
  then
• 18:10
  after
• 18:10
  a
• 18:10
  while
• 18:10
  I
• 18:11
  was
• 18:11
  like,
• 18:11
  wouldn't
• 18:11
  it
• 18:11
  be
• 18:11
  cool
• 18:11
  if
• 18:11
  there
• 18:11
  was
• 18:12
  photos?
• 18:12
  Like,
• 18:12
  wouldn't
• 18:13
  it
• 18:13
  be
• 18:13
  cool
• 18:13
  if
• 18:13
  there
• 18:13
  was
• 18:13
  reviews
• 18:14
  from
• 18:14
  other
• 18:14
  parents?
• 18:14
  Wouldn't
• 18:15
  it
• 18:15
  be
• 18:15
  cool
• 18:15
  if
• 18:15
  we
• 18:15
  could
• 18:15
  give
• 18:15
  it
• 18:15
  a
• 18:16
  rating?
• 18:16
  Wouldn't
• 18:17
  it
• 18:17
  be
• 18:17
  cool
• 18:17
  if
• 18:17
  people
• 18:18
  could
• 18:18
  like
• 18:18
  search
• 18:18
  places
• 18:19
  on
• 18:19
  here
• 18:19
  or
• 18:19
  apply
• 18:20
  filters
• 18:20
  like
• 18:20
  pram
• 18:21
  friendly
• 18:21
  or
• 18:21
  change
• 18:21
  table.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:23
  then
• 18:23
  that
• 18:23
  was
• 18:23
  when
• 18:23
  the
• 18:23
  idea
• 18:23
  of
• 18:24
  like
• 18:24
  this
• 18:24
  would
• 18:24
  be
• 18:24
  much
• 18:24
  better
• 18:25
  as
• 18:25
  an
• 18:25
  app
• 18:25
  kind
• 18:25
  of
• 18:25
  started
• 18:26
  to
• 18:26
  come
• 18:26
  about.
• 18:26
  So
• 18:27
  that
• 18:27
  was
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  very
• 18:27
  beginning
• 18:28
  of
• 18:28
  how
• 18:28
  roam
• 18:29
  started.
• 18:30
  I
• 18:30
  love,
• 18:30
  I
• 18:31
  love
• 18:31
  the
• 18:32
  starting
• 18:32
  in
• 18:33
  perfect
• 18:33
  because
• 18:34
  of
• 18:34
  course,
• 18:34
  as
• 18:34
  you
• 18:35
  say,
• 18:35
  when
• 18:35
  you
• 18:35
  first
• 18:35
  built
• 18:35
  it,
• 18:35
  you're
• 18:36
  like,
• 18:36
  nailed
• 18:36
  it.
• 18:36
  So
• 18:37
  good.
• 18:38
  But
• 18:38
  then,
• 18:38
  you
• 18:38
  know,
• 18:39
  it
• 18:39
  doesn't
• 18:39
  take
• 18:39
  long
• 18:39
  before
• 18:40
  you're
• 18:40
  like,
• 18:40
  this
• 18:40
  could
• 18:40
  be
• 18:40
  better.
• 18:41
  This
• 18:41
  could
• 18:41
  be
• 18:41
  so
• 18:41
  much
• 18:41
  cooler.
• 18:42
  And
• 18:42
  I
• 18:42
  look
• 18:43
  at
• 18:43
  even
• 18:43
  someone
• 18:43
  like
• 18:44
  Kayla,
• 18:44
  it
• 18:44
  seems,
• 18:44
  yeah,
• 18:45
  huge,
• 18:46
  multi,
• 18:47
  millions
• 18:47
  followers
• 18:48
  on
• 18:48
  Instagram.
• 18:49
  But
• 18:49
  her
• 18:50
  fitness
• 18:51
  empire
• 18:52
  started
• 18:52
  with
• 18:52
  PDFs,
• 18:54
  right?
• 18:54
  And
• 18:54
  now
• 18:55
  she
• 18:55
  has
• 18:55
  this
• 18:56
  brilliant
• 18:56
  app
• 18:56
  that
• 18:57
  I
• 18:57
  use
• 18:57
  because
• 18:57
  it's
• 18:58
  easier
• 18:58
  for
• 18:58
  me
• 18:58
  to
• 18:59
  use
• 18:59
  than
• 18:59
  going
• 18:59
  to
• 18:59
  the
• 18:59
  gym.
• 19:01
  And
• 19:01
  it's,
• 19:01
  it's
• 19:02
  super
• 19:02
  sleek,
• 19:03
  it's
• 19:03
  great.
• 19:04
  But
• 19:04
  she
• 19:04
  started
• 19:05
  with
• 19:05
  PDFs,
• 19:06
  and
• 19:06
  you
• 19:06
  start
• 19:07
  where
• 19:07
  you
• 19:07
  are
• 19:07
  with
• 19:08
  what
• 19:08
  you
• 19:08
  have
• 19:08
  and
• 19:08
  you
• 19:09
  build
• 19:09
  something,
• 19:09
  you
• 19:09
  test
• 19:10
  it,
• 19:10
  you
• 19:10
  go,
• 19:11
  here's
• 19:11
  a
• 19:11
  cool
• 19:11
  idea.
• 19:13
  Yeah,
• 19:13
  people
• 19:13
  are
• 19:14
  into
• 19:14
  it.
• 19:14
  Okay,
• 19:14
  let's
• 19:14
  make
• 19:15
  it
• 19:15
  cooler.
• 19:15
  Yeah.
• 19:16
  And
• 19:16
  I
• 19:16
  think
• 19:16
  starting
• 19:16
  with
• 19:17
  something
• 19:17
  like
• 19:17
  a
• 19:17
  PDF
• 19:17
  or
• 19:18
  for
• 19:18
  me,
• 19:18
  starting
• 19:18
  with
• 19:18
  like,
• 19:19
  you
• 19:19
  know,
• 19:19
  videos
• 19:19
  online
• 19:20
  and
• 19:20
  then
• 19:20
  moving
• 19:20
  into
• 19:20
  a
• 19:21
  Google
• 19:21
  map,
• 19:22
  the
• 19:22
  only
• 19:22
  thing
• 19:22
  you're
• 19:22
  putting
• 19:22
  into
• 19:22
  it
• 19:23
  is
• 19:23
  your
• 19:23
  time.
• 19:23
  But
• 19:23
  it's
• 19:24
  really
• 19:24
  low
• 19:24
  cost
• 19:24
  to
• 19:25
  start
• 19:25
  it
• 19:25
  just
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  test
• 19:25
  if
• 19:25
  there's
• 19:26
  like
• 19:26
  a
• 19:26
  demand.
• 19:26
  And
• 19:26
  at
• 19:27
  the
• 19:27
  time
• 19:27
  I
• 19:27
  didn't,
• 19:27
  I
• 19:28
  didn't
• 19:28
  realize
• 19:28
  I
• 19:29
  was
• 19:29
  testing
• 19:29
  demand.
• 19:29
  I
• 19:30
  was
• 19:30
  just
• 19:30
  like
• 19:30
  making
• 19:31
  videos
• 19:31
  for
• 19:31
  fun.
• 19:31
  I
• 19:32
  thought
• 19:32
  it
• 19:32
  would
• 19:32
  be
• 19:32
  helpful
• 19:32
  for
• 19:32
  the
• 19:33
  parents.
• 19:33
  But
• 19:34
  really
• 19:34
  you,
• 19:35
  that's
• 19:35
  what
• 19:35
  you're
• 19:35
  doing,
• 19:35
  you
• 19:35
  know,
• 19:36
  you're
• 19:36
  seeing,
• 19:36
  is
• 19:36
  there,
• 19:36
  is
• 19:37
  there
• 19:37
  a
• 19:37
  demand
• 19:37
  for
• 19:37
  this?
• 19:38
  And
• 19:38
  I
• 19:38
  think
• 19:38
  businesses
• 19:39
  often
• 19:39
  start
• 19:39
  in
• 19:40
  two
• 19:40
  ways.
• 19:40
  It's
• 19:40
  either
• 19:41
  what
• 19:41
  I
• 19:41
  did,
• 19:41
  where
• 19:41
  it's
• 19:41
  kind
• 19:42
  of
• 19:42
  like
• 19:42
  you,
• 19:42
  there's
• 19:43
  clearly
• 19:43
  like
• 19:43
  a
• 19:44
  problem,
• 19:44
  and
• 19:44
  then
• 19:44
  you
• 19:44
  build
• 19:45
  a
• 19:45
  bit
• 19:45
  of
• 19:45
  a
• 19:45
  community
• 19:45
  around
• 19:46
  that
• 19:46
  problem
• 19:46
  of
• 19:46
  people
• 19:46
  who
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  then
• 19:47
  make
• 19:48
  a
• 19:48
  product
• 19:48
  for.
• 19:49
  And
• 19:49
  then
• 19:49
  there's
• 19:49
  people
• 19:50
  who
• 19:50
  start
• 19:50
  businesses
• 19:51
  because
• 19:51
  they
• 19:51
  think
• 19:51
  they
• 19:51
  have
• 19:51
  a
• 19:52
  great
• 19:52
  idea,
• 19:52
  but
• 19:52
  then
• 19:52
  they
• 19:53
  have
• 19:53
  to
• 19:53
  go
• 19:53
  and
• 19:53
  search
• 19:53
  for
• 19:54
  people
• 19:54
  to
• 19:54
  sell
• 19:54
  that
• 19:55
  product
• 19:55
  too.
• 19:56
  And
• 19:56
  I
• 19:56
  think
• 19:56
  that's
• 19:57
  a
• 19:57
  way
• 19:57
  harder
• 19:57
  path
• 19:58
  to
• 19:58
  go
• 19:58
  down.
• 19:58
  So
• 19:59
  I
• 19:59
  already
• 20:00
  had
• 20:00
  this
• 20:00
  like,
• 20:00
  engaged
• 20:01
  audience
• 20:01
  of
• 20:01
  parents
• 20:02
  that
• 20:02
  were
• 20:02
  like,
• 20:02
  this
• 20:02
  is,
• 20:03
  this
• 20:03
  is
• 20:03
  a
• 20:03
  problem
• 20:03
  that
• 20:04
  we're
• 20:04
  all
• 20:04
  facing.
• 20:04
  We
• 20:05
  all
• 20:05
  want
• 20:05
  to
• 20:05
  find
• 20:05
  things
• 20:05
  to
• 20:06
  do
• 20:06
  with
• 20:06
  our
• 20:06
  kids.
• 20:06
  And
• 20:07
  so
• 20:07
  I
• 20:07
  made
• 20:07
  them
• 20:07
  a
• 20:07
  product
• 20:08
  and
• 20:08
  was
• 20:08
  like,
• 20:08
  well,
• 20:08
  here
• 20:08
  you
• 20:08
  go,
• 20:09
  here's
• 20:09
  a
• 20:09
  solution
• 20:09
  to
• 20:09
  that.
• 20:10
  And
• 20:10
  that's
• 20:11
  much,
• 20:11
  much
• 20:11
  easier
• 20:12
  to
• 20:12
  do
• 20:12
  than
• 20:13
  the
• 20:13
  other
• 20:14
  way
• 20:14
  around.
• 20:14
  Easier,
• 20:15
  maybe,
• 20:15
  but
• 20:15
  I
• 20:16
  doubt
• 20:16
  easy
• 20:18
  because
• 20:19
  of
• 20:19
  course
• 20:19
  now
• 20:20
  it's,
• 20:20
  it's
• 20:20
  a
• 20:20
  full
• 20:20
  blown
• 20:20
  app.
• 20:21
  Right?
• 20:22
  So
• 20:22
  how,
• 20:23
  how
• 20:23
  much
• 20:23
  did
• 20:23
  you
• 20:24
  have
• 20:24
  to
• 20:24
  learn
• 20:24
  to
• 20:24
  build
• 20:25
  that?
• 20:25
  Or
• 20:26
  maybe
• 20:26
  did
• 20:27
  you
• 20:27
  have
• 20:27
  to
• 20:27
  hire
• 20:27
  a
• 20:28
  bunch
• 20:28
  of
• 20:28
  people?
• 20:28
  I
• 20:29
  didn't
• 20:29
  know
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  lot
• 20:30
  when
• 20:31
  I
• 20:31
  started,
• 20:31
  I
• 20:31
  would
• 20:31
  say.
• 20:32
  And
• 20:32
  I've
• 20:33
  been
• 20:33
  learning
• 20:34
  over
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  course
• 20:34
  of
• 20:35
  Roam
• 20:35
  as
• 20:35
  an
• 20:35
  app
• 20:35
  has
• 20:36
  existed
• 20:36
  for
• 20:36
  almost
• 20:37
  two
• 20:37
  years.
• 20:37
  Two
• 20:38
  years.
• 20:38
  At
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  end
• 20:38
  of
• 20:38
  this
• 20:38
  month,
• 20:39
  over
• 20:39
  those
• 20:39
  two
• 20:39
  years,
• 20:39
  I'd
• 20:40
  say
• 20:40
  that
• 20:40
  I've
• 20:40
  still
• 20:40
  been
• 20:40
  learning
• 20:41
  a
• 20:41
  lot
• 20:41
  all
• 20:41
  the
• 20:42
  time.
• 20:42
  And
• 20:42
  really
• 20:42
  the
• 20:43
  thing
• 20:43
  with
• 20:43
  technology
• 20:43
  is
• 20:43
  it's
• 20:43
  like
• 20:44
  always
• 20:44
  changing
• 20:45
  and
• 20:45
  so
• 20:45
  there's
• 20:45
  always
• 20:46
  new
• 20:46
  stuff
• 20:46
  to
• 20:46
  learn.
• 20:47
  There's
• 20:47
  lots
• 20:47
  of
• 20:47
  different
• 20:47
  options
• 20:48
  for
• 20:48
  building
• 20:48
  an
• 20:48
  app.
• 20:49
  I
• 20:49
  had
• 20:49
  a
• 20:49
  developer
• 20:50
  build
• 20:50
  it
• 20:50
  into
• 20:50
  what
• 20:50
  it
• 20:51
  is
• 20:51
  today.
• 20:51
  I
• 20:53
  really
• 20:53
  look
• 20:53
  back
• 20:53
  at
• 20:54
  when
• 20:54
  we
• 20:54
  launched
• 20:54
  and
• 20:54
  I
• 20:55
  just
• 20:55
  think,
• 20:55
  gosh,
• 20:55
  I
• 20:55
  was,
• 20:56
  you
• 20:56
  know,
• 20:56
  give
• 20:56
  myself
• 20:57
  grace
• 20:57
  but
• 20:57
  like,
• 20:57
  I
• 20:57
  was
• 20:57
  so
• 20:58
  naive
• 20:58
  as
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  what
• 21:00
  having
• 21:00
  a
• 21:00
  startup
• 21:01
  would
• 21:01
  be
• 21:01
  and
• 21:01
  what
• 21:02
  building
• 21:02
  a
• 21:03
  tech
• 21:03
  company
• 21:03
  would,
• 21:04
  you
• 21:04
  know,
• 21:04
  what
• 21:04
  was
• 21:05
  involved
• 21:05
  in
• 21:05
  it
• 21:05
  and
• 21:06
  even
• 21:06
  things
• 21:06
  like
• 21:06
  kind
• 21:07
  of,
• 21:07
  you
• 21:07
  know,
• 21:07
  contracts
• 21:08
  and
• 21:08
  like
• 21:08
  legal
• 21:09
  stuff
• 21:09
  and
• 21:09
  taxes
• 21:10
  and
• 21:11
  like
• 21:12
  structuring
• 21:12
  a
• 21:12
  company
• 21:13
  and
• 21:13
  you
• 21:14
  know,
• 21:14
  a
• 21:14
  share
• 21:14
  a
• 21:14
  shareholder
• 21:15
  and
• 21:15
  like
• 21:15
  learning
• 21:15
  all
• 21:15
  the
• 21:15
  different
• 21:16
  roles
• 21:16
  director
• 21:16
  and
• 21:17
  like
• 21:17
  learning
• 21:17
  all
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  different
• 21:17
  roles
• 21:17
  of
• 21:18
  a
• 21:18
  company
• 21:18
  and
• 21:18
  things.
• 21:18
  Like,
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  just
• 21:19
  had
• 21:19
  no
• 21:19
  business
• 21:20
  background
• 21:20
  and
• 21:21
  so
• 21:21
  everything
• 21:21
  was,
• 21:22
  was
• 21:23
  new
• 21:23
  to
• 21:23
  me.
• 21:23
  I
• 21:24
  don't
• 21:24
  know
• 21:24
  who,
• 21:24
  there's
• 21:24
  like
• 21:25
  a
• 21:25
  famous
• 21:25
  quote,
• 21:25
  I
• 21:25
  don't
• 21:25
  know
• 21:25
  who
• 21:25
  said
• 21:26
  it,
• 21:26
  but
• 21:26
  it's
• 21:26
  like
• 21:26
  if
• 21:26
  you're
• 21:26
  not
• 21:26
  embarrassed
• 21:27
  by
• 21:27
  your
• 21:27
  first
• 21:27
  product,
• 21:28
  then
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  launch
• 21:28
  too
• 21:29
  late.
• 21:29
  I
• 21:29
  think
• 21:29
  that's
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  quote.
• 21:30
  And
• 21:30
  I
• 21:30
  think,
• 21:31
  yeah,
• 21:31
  and
• 21:32
  I
• 21:32
  think
• 21:32
  that
• 21:32
  that's
• 21:32
  so
• 21:32
  true.
• 21:33
  It's
• 21:33
  like
• 21:33
  you
• 21:33
  do
• 21:34
  just
• 21:34
  need
• 21:34
  to
• 21:34
  get
• 21:34
  it
• 21:34
  out
• 21:35
  into
• 21:35
  the
• 21:35
  world.
• 21:36
  Don't
• 21:36
  try
• 21:36
  and
• 21:37
  wait
• 21:37
  until
• 21:37
  it's
• 21:37
  perfect.
• 21:38
  Because
• 21:38
  if
• 21:38
  I
• 21:38
  look
• 21:38
  at
• 21:38
  Rome
• 21:39
  now,
• 21:39
  it's
• 21:39
  so
• 21:39
  much
• 21:39
  better
• 21:40
  than
• 21:40
  even
• 21:40
  when
• 21:40
  we
• 21:40
  first
• 21:41
  launched
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  app.
• 21:42
  But.
• 21:42
  And
• 21:42
  it
• 21:42
  will
• 21:42
  continue
• 21:43
  to
• 21:43
  get
• 21:43
  better,
• 21:43
  we'll
• 21:44
  just
• 21:44
  continue
• 21:44
  to
• 21:44
  improve
• 21:45
  it
• 21:45
  and
• 21:45
  things.
• 21:45
  But
• 21:46
  if
• 21:46
  you
• 21:46
  wait
• 21:46
  until
• 21:46
  it's
• 21:47
  perfect,
• 21:47
  you'll
• 21:47
  never
• 21:47
  launch,
• 21:48
  you'll
• 21:48
  never
• 21:48
  start.
• 21:48
  And
• 21:49
  if
• 21:49
  you
• 21:49
  wait
• 21:49
  until
• 21:49
  you
• 21:49
  know
• 21:49
  everything,
• 21:50
  you'll
• 21:50
  never
• 21:50
  start.
• 21:51
  Just,
• 21:51
  you
• 21:51
  know,
• 21:52
  learn
• 21:52
  as
• 21:52
  you
• 21:52
  go.
• 21:52
  It's
• 21:53
  like
• 21:53
  build
• 21:53
  the
• 21:53
  plane
• 21:53
  while
• 21:53
  you're
• 21:54
  flying.
• 21:54
  Just
• 21:54
  put
• 21:55
  it
• 21:55
  out
• 21:55
  into
• 21:55
  the
• 21:55
  world
• 21:55
  and
• 21:55
  then
• 21:55
  just
• 21:56
  like
• 21:56
  go
• 21:56
  from
• 21:57
  there.
• 21:57
  So
• 21:58
  no
• 21:58
  business
• 21:58
  background
• 21:59
  and
• 21:59
  no
• 21:59
  tech
• 21:59
  background.
• 22:00
  You
• 22:00
  like
• 22:00
  a
• 22:00
  challenge?
• 22:01
  Yeah,
• 22:01
  yeah,
• 22:02
  yeah,
• 22:02
  apparently.
• 22:03
  I
• 22:04
  don't
• 22:04
  know,
• 22:04
  I
• 22:05
  think
• 22:05
  you
• 22:06
  kind
• 22:06
  of
• 22:06
  maybe
• 22:06
  need
• 22:06
  to
• 22:07
  be
• 22:07
  a
• 22:07
  little
• 22:07
  bit,
• 22:08
  bit
• 22:08
  of
• 22:08
  crazy
• 22:08
  to
• 22:08
  start
• 22:09
  a
• 22:09
  business.
• 22:09
  I
• 22:10
  actually
• 22:10
  think
• 22:10
  naivety
• 22:10
  can
• 22:11
  be
• 22:11
  a
• 22:11
  superpower
• 22:11
  too.
• 22:12
  Like
• 22:12
  if,
• 22:12
  if
• 22:13
  you
• 22:13
  fully
• 22:13
  knew
• 22:13
  what
• 22:13
  you
• 22:14
  were
• 22:14
  getting
• 22:14
  into,
• 22:14
  even
• 22:15
  if
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  knew
• 22:15
  how
• 22:15
  good
• 22:16
  it
• 22:16
  was
• 22:16
  going
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  be,
• 22:17
  would
• 22:18
  you
• 22:18
  have
• 22:18
  done
• 22:18
  it?
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  don't
• 22:19
  know.
• 22:20
  Because
• 22:20
  again,
• 22:20
  same
• 22:21
  thing
• 22:21
  with
• 22:21
  a
• 22:21
  business,
• 22:21
  baby.
• 22:22
  It's
• 22:23
  kind
• 22:23
  of
• 22:23
  hard
• 22:24
  to
• 22:24
  understand
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  good
• 22:25
  bits
• 22:26
  from
• 22:26
  the
• 22:26
  outside.
• 22:26
  It's
• 22:27
  really
• 22:27
  easy
• 22:27
  to
• 22:28
  see
• 22:28
  all
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  pitfalls
• 22:28
  and
• 22:29
  be
• 22:29
  like,
• 22:29
  oh,
• 22:29
  that
• 22:29
  looks
• 22:30
  tough.
• 22:30
  Yeah,
• 22:30
  totally
• 22:31
  good
• 22:31
  not
• 22:32
  to
• 22:32
  know.
• 22:32
  For
• 22:32
  me,
• 22:32
  my
• 22:33
  timeline
• 22:33
  was
• 22:33
  that
• 22:34
  I
• 22:34
  had
• 22:34
  been
• 22:34
  building
• 22:35
  this
• 22:35
  map
• 22:35
  The
• 22:35
  Google
• 22:36
  Map
• 22:36
  while
• 22:36
  I
• 22:36
  was
• 22:36
  working
• 22:37
  part
• 22:37
  time.
• 22:37
  So
• 22:37
  I'd
• 22:38
  gone
• 22:38
  back
• 22:38
  to
• 22:38
  work.
• 22:38
  We
• 22:39
  decided
• 22:39
  we
• 22:39
  have
• 22:39
  another
• 22:39
  baby.
• 22:40
  So,
• 22:40
  you
• 22:40
  know,
• 22:40
  got
• 22:41
  pregnant,
• 22:41
  started
• 22:42
  building,
• 22:42
  you
• 22:42
  know,
• 22:42
  building
• 22:42
  Rome,
• 22:43
  working
• 22:43
  with
• 22:43
  the
• 22:43
  developer.
• 22:44
  And
• 22:44
  by
• 22:44
  the
• 22:45
  time
• 22:45
  that
• 22:46
  I
• 22:46
  was
• 22:46
  due
• 22:46
  with
• 22:46
  my
• 22:47
  baby,
• 22:47
  I
• 22:47
  kind
• 22:47
  of
• 22:47
  said
• 22:47
  to
• 22:47
  my
• 22:47
  developer,
• 22:48
  like,
• 22:48
  look,
• 22:48
  I'm,
• 22:49
  I
• 22:49
  would
• 22:49
  like
• 22:49
  to,
• 22:50
  you
• 22:50
  know,
• 22:50
  this,
• 22:50
  I'd
• 22:51
  like
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  launch
• 22:51
  this
• 22:51
  before
• 22:51
  I
• 22:52
  have
• 22:52
  a
• 22:52
  baby.
• 22:53
  I
• 22:53
  would
• 22:53
  like
• 22:54
  some
• 22:54
  semblance
• 22:54
  of
• 22:54
  maternity
• 22:55
  leave.
• 22:55
  Yeah,
• 22:56
  yeah.
• 22:56
  And
• 22:56
  so
• 22:57
  we,
• 22:57
  I
• 22:57
  organized
• 22:58
  a
• 22:58
  launch
• 22:58
  party.
• 22:58
  I
• 22:58
  was
• 22:58
  like,
• 22:59
  even
• 22:59
  if
• 22:59
  it's
• 22:59
  not
• 22:59
  ready,
• 23:00
  even
• 23:00
  if
• 23:00
  we're
• 23:00
  not
• 23:00
  on
• 23:00
  the
• 23:00
  App
• 23:01
  Store,
• 23:01
  you
• 23:01
  know,
• 23:01
  even
• 23:01
  if
• 23:01
  it's
• 23:02
  not
• 23:02
  ready
• 23:02
  to
• 23:02
  go,
• 23:02
  I'm
• 23:02
  going
• 23:02
  to
• 23:02
  do
• 23:03
  the
• 23:03
  launch
• 23:03
  party
• 23:03
  now
• 23:03
  because
• 23:04
  I
• 23:04
  think
• 23:04
  I
• 23:04
  was
• 23:04
  like
• 23:05
  37
• 23:05
  weeks
• 23:05
  pregnant
• 23:06
  or
• 23:06
  something
• 23:06
  and
• 23:06
  I
• 23:07
  was
• 23:07
  like,
• 23:07
  I'm
• 23:07
  not
• 23:07
  going
• 23:07
  to
• 23:07
  do
• 23:07
  a
• 23:08
  launch
• 23:08
  party
• 23:08
  with
• 23:08
  a
• 23:08
  newborn
• 23:09
  and
• 23:09
  I
• 23:09
  really
• 23:09
  want
• 23:09
  to
• 23:09
  celebrate
• 23:10
  this
• 23:10
  even
• 23:10
  if
• 23:10
  it's,
• 23:11
  even
• 23:11
  if
• 23:11
  we're
• 23:11
  not
• 23:11
  ready.
• 23:12
  And
• 23:12
  midnight
• 23:12
  the
• 23:13
  night
• 23:13
  before
• 23:13
  we
• 23:13
  were
• 23:13
  in
• 23:14
  the
• 23:14
  App
• 23:14
  Store.
• 23:14
  And
• 23:14
  so
• 23:14
  we
• 23:14
  had
• 23:15
  this
• 23:15
  launch
• 23:15
  party.
• 23:15
  I
• 23:15
  was
• 23:15
  37
• 23:16
  weeks
• 23:16
  pregnant.
• 23:16
  My
• 23:16
  midwife
• 23:17
  came
• 23:17
  along
• 23:17
  to
• 23:17
  the
• 23:17
  launch
• 23:17
  party
• 23:18
  just
• 23:18
  in
• 23:18
  case
• 23:19
  and
• 23:19
  had
• 23:19
  my
• 23:19
  son
• 23:20
  a
• 23:20
  week
• 23:20
  later.
• 23:21
  And
• 23:22
  then
• 23:22
  from
• 23:23
  there
• 23:23
  I
• 23:23
  kind
• 23:23
  of
• 23:23
  had
• 23:23
  this
• 23:24
  like,
• 23:24
  I
• 23:24
  guess,
• 23:25
  like
• 23:25
  time
• 23:25
  limit
• 23:25
  of,
• 23:26
  okay,
• 23:26
  I've
• 23:26
  got
• 23:26
  12
• 23:27
  months
• 23:27
  off
• 23:27
  from
• 23:27
  my
• 23:28
  job.
• 23:28
  I
• 23:28
  need
• 23:29
  to
• 23:29
  get
• 23:29
  this
• 23:29
  to
• 23:29
  a
• 23:29
  point
• 23:30
  that
• 23:30
  it,
• 23:30
  I
• 23:30
  can
• 23:30
  justify
• 23:31
  not
• 23:31
  returning
• 23:32
  to
• 23:32
  work.
• 23:32
  And
• 23:32
  so
• 23:32
  I
• 23:33
  just
• 23:33
  worked
• 23:33
  really
• 23:34
  hard
• 23:34
  for
• 23:34
  that
• 23:34
  first
• 23:35
  year
• 23:35
  and
• 23:36
  you
• 23:37
  know,
• 23:37
  as
• 23:37
  hard
• 23:37
  as
• 23:37
  you
• 23:37
  can
• 23:37
  with
• 23:38
  a
• 23:38
  newborn
• 23:38
  and
• 23:38
  sleepless
• 23:39
  nights
• 23:39
  and
• 23:39
  everything
• 23:39
  else,
• 23:39
  but
• 23:40
  it
• 23:40
  just
• 23:40
  worked
• 23:40
  as
• 23:40
  hard
• 23:41
  as
• 23:41
  I
• 23:41
  could
• 23:41
  for
• 23:41
  that
• 23:41
  first
• 23:41
  year
• 23:42
  to
• 23:42
  try
• 23:42
  and
• 23:42
  get
• 23:42
  it
• 23:42
  to
• 23:42
  a
• 23:42
  point
• 23:43
  where
• 23:43
  I
• 23:43
  could
• 23:43
  resign
• 23:43
  from
• 23:44
  my
• 23:44
  job
• 23:44
  and
• 23:45
  go
• 23:45
  full
• 23:45
  time
• 23:45
  effectively
• 23:46
  on
• 23:46
  Rome.
• 23:47
  Was
• 23:47
  there
• 23:48
  some
• 23:48
  sort
• 23:48
  of
• 23:48
  litmus
• 23:49
  test
• 23:49
  of
• 23:49
  success
• 23:50
  where
• 23:50
  you
• 23:50
  were
• 23:50
  like,
• 23:51
  this
• 23:51
  marker,
• 23:52
  I
• 23:53
  can
• 23:53
  resign.
• 23:53
  I
• 23:54
  had
• 23:54
  like
• 23:54
  a
• 23:54
  base
• 23:55
  minimum
• 23:56
  salary
• 23:57
  that
• 23:57
  I
• 23:57
  needed
• 23:57
  to
• 23:57
  be
• 23:57
  making
• 23:58
  from
• 23:58
  Rome,
• 23:58
  so
• 23:58
  I
• 23:58
  needed
• 23:59
  to
• 23:59
  make
• 23:59
  a
• 23:59
  certain,
• 23:59
  like,
• 24:00
  you
• 24:00
  know,
• 24:00
  definitely
• 24:01
  not
• 24:01
  what
• 24:01
  I
• 24:01
  was
• 24:01
  earning
• 24:01
  from
• 24:02
  my
• 24:02
  previous
• 24:02
  job,
• 24:03
  but
• 24:03
  enough
• 24:03
  that
• 24:03
  we
• 24:03
  could
• 24:03
  kind
• 24:04
  of
• 24:04
  like
• 24:04
  pay
• 24:04
  our
• 24:04
  bills
• 24:05
  and
• 24:05
  survive
• 24:06
  financially.
• 24:07
  And
• 24:07
  so
• 24:07
  that
• 24:07
  was
• 24:08
  my,
• 24:08
  my
• 24:08
  market
• 24:09
  and
• 24:09
  I
• 24:09
  needed
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  be
• 24:10
  doing
• 24:10
  that
• 24:11
  consistently
• 24:11
  for
• 24:12
  several
• 24:12
  months
• 24:12
  in
• 24:12
  order
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  have
• 24:13
  that
• 24:13
  confidence
• 24:13
  to
• 24:14
  then
• 24:14
  resign
• 24:15
  from
• 24:15
  my
• 24:15
  job
• 24:15
  and
• 24:16
  give
• 24:16
  up
• 24:16
  my
• 24:16
  salary,
• 24:17
  which
• 24:17
  was
• 24:17
  definitely
• 24:18
  a
• 24:18
  scary
• 24:18
  moment.
• 24:19
  I
• 24:19
  think
• 24:19
  when
• 24:20
  you
• 24:20
  first
• 24:20
  become
• 24:20
  self
• 24:21
  employed,
• 24:22
  it's
• 24:22
  way
• 24:22
  scarier
• 24:22
  than
• 24:23
  I
• 24:23
  expected
• 24:24
  and
• 24:24
  I
• 24:24
  thought
• 24:25
  like,
• 24:25
  it
• 24:25
  would
• 24:25
  be
• 24:25
  a
• 24:25
  really
• 24:25
  exciting
• 24:26
  moment.
• 24:26
  And
• 24:26
  actually
• 24:26
  I
• 24:27
  was
• 24:27
  just
• 24:27
  really
• 24:27
  terrified.
• 24:28
  I
• 24:28
  wrote
• 24:28
  my
• 24:28
  resignation
• 24:29
  email
• 24:29
  to
• 24:29
  my
• 24:29
  boss
• 24:29
  being
• 24:30
  like,
• 24:30
  you
• 24:30
  know,
• 24:30
  I'm
• 24:30
  starting
• 24:31
  my
• 24:31
  own
• 24:31
  business,
• 24:31
  I'm
• 24:32
  not
• 24:32
  going
• 24:32
  to
• 24:32
  return
• 24:32
  to
• 24:32
  work
• 24:33
  after
• 24:33
  maternity
• 24:33
  leave
• 24:34
  and
• 24:34
  you
• 24:34
  know,
• 24:34
  thanks
• 24:34
  for
• 24:34
  everything.
• 24:35
  And
• 24:35
  I
• 24:35
  just
• 24:35
  sent
• 24:35
  it
• 24:36
  and
• 24:36
  I
• 24:36
  just
• 24:36
  had
• 24:36
  this
• 24:36
  like,
• 24:36
  oh
• 24:36
  my
• 24:37
  gosh,
• 24:37
  what
• 24:37
  have
• 24:37
  I
• 24:37
  done?
• 24:37
  You
• 24:38
  know,
• 24:38
  I've
• 24:38
  just
• 24:38
  given
• 24:38
  away
• 24:39
  my
• 24:39
  safety
• 24:40
  net.
• 24:40
  Because
• 24:40
  that
• 24:40
  was
• 24:40
  always
• 24:41
  in
• 24:41
  the
• 24:41
  background,
• 24:41
  like,
• 24:41
  well,
• 24:41
  if
• 24:42
  Rome
• 24:42
  doesn't
• 24:42
  work
• 24:42
  out,
• 24:42
  I
• 24:42
  can
• 24:42
  return
• 24:43
  to
• 24:43
  my
• 24:43
  job.
• 24:43
  And
• 24:43
  then
• 24:44
  suddenly
• 24:44
  it
• 24:44
  was
• 24:44
  like,
• 24:44
  I
• 24:45
  don't
• 24:45
  have
• 24:45
  a
• 24:45
  job
• 24:45
  anymore.
• 24:45
  I'm
• 24:46
  like
• 24:46
  officially
• 24:46
  unemployed.
• 24:47
  I
• 24:47
  was
• 24:47
  like,
• 24:47
  what
• 24:48
  happens
• 24:48
  if
• 24:48
  everyone
• 24:48
  just
• 24:48
  wakes
• 24:48
  up
• 24:49
  one
• 24:49
  day
• 24:49
  and
• 24:49
  unsubscribes?
• 24:50
  And
• 24:50
  then
• 24:50
  I'm
• 24:50
  like,
• 24:50
  okay,
• 24:51
  cool,
• 24:51
  you
• 24:52
  know,
• 24:52
  what
• 24:52
  do
• 24:52
  I
• 24:52
  do
• 24:52
  now?
• 24:52
  And
• 24:53
  I
• 24:53
  guess
• 24:53
  as
• 24:53
  a
• 24:54
  result,
• 24:54
  I've
• 24:54
  ended
• 24:54
  up
• 24:55
  since
• 24:55
  then
• 24:55
  building
• 24:55
  additional
• 24:56
  outside
• 24:57
  of
• 24:57
  Rome
• 24:57
  income
• 24:57
  streams.
• 24:58
  Talk
• 24:58
  to
• 24:59
  me
• 24:59
  a
• 24:59
  bit
• 24:59
  about
• 24:59
  that
• 24:59
  because
• 25:00
  I
• 25:00
  do
• 25:00
  think
• 25:01
  starting
• 25:01
  your
• 25:01
  own
• 25:02
  business
• 25:03
  does
• 25:04
  often
• 25:05
  change
• 25:05
  the
• 25:05
  way
• 25:05
  you
• 25:06
  handle
• 25:06
  money
• 25:06
  in
• 25:06
  general
• 25:07
  because
• 25:08
  you
• 25:08
  need
• 25:09
  stability
• 25:10
  in
• 25:10
  other
• 25:10
  areas
• 25:11
  to
• 25:11
  handle.
• 25:12
  Even
• 25:13
  if
• 25:13
  the
• 25:13
  business
• 25:13
  is
• 25:13
  successful.
• 25:14
  Yeah,
• 25:15
  it
• 25:15
  is
• 25:15
  often
• 25:15
  a
• 25:16
  slightly
• 25:16
  less
• 25:16
  stable
• 25:17
  lifestyle.
• 25:17
  And
• 25:17
  it's
• 25:18
  certainly
• 25:18
  mentally,
• 25:19
  you
• 25:20
  know,
• 25:20
  that
• 25:20
  that
• 25:20
  safety
• 25:21
  net
• 25:21
  isn't
• 25:21
  there
• 25:21
  like
• 25:22
  you
• 25:22
  said.
• 25:23
  I,
• 25:23
  yeah,
• 25:23
  I
• 25:24
  felt
• 25:24
  that
• 25:24
  really
• 25:25
  keenly
• 25:25
  sometimes.
• 25:26
  So
• 25:27
  how
• 25:27
  did
• 25:27
  it
• 25:28
  change
• 25:28
  the
• 25:28
  way
• 25:28
  you
• 25:29
  handle
• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
  rest
• 25:29
  of
• 25:29
  your
• 25:29
  finances?
• 25:30
  And
• 25:30
  has
• 25:30
  that
• 25:30
  helped?
• 25:31
  Yes,
• 25:32
  I
• 25:32
  think
• 25:32
  that
• 25:32
  I
• 25:32
  am
• 25:33
  so
• 25:33
  much
• 25:33
  more
• 25:33
  aware
• 25:33
  of
• 25:34
  money
• 25:34
  now
• 25:34
  and
• 25:35
  I
• 25:35
  feel
• 25:35
  like
• 25:35
  that
• 25:35
  is
• 25:35
  such
• 25:35
  a
• 25:36
  privileged
• 25:36
  thing
• 25:36
  to
• 25:36
  say.
• 25:36
  But
• 25:36
  when
• 25:37
  your
• 25:37
  income
• 25:37
  is
• 25:37
  the
• 25:37
  same
• 25:37
  every
• 25:38
  month
• 25:38
  and
• 25:38
  your
• 25:38
  bills
• 25:39
  are
• 25:39
  relatively
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  same
• 25:39
  every
• 25:40
  month,
• 25:40
  it's
• 25:40
  kind
• 25:40
  of
• 25:40
  easier
• 25:41
  to
• 25:41
  just
• 25:42
  run
• 25:42
  on
• 25:42
  autopilot
• 25:43
  a
• 25:43
  little
• 25:43
  bit.
• 25:44
  And
• 25:44
  I
• 25:44
  think
• 25:44
  that
• 25:45
  now,
• 25:45
  because
• 25:45
  my
• 25:45
  income
• 25:45
  is
• 25:46
  not
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  same
• 25:46
  every
• 25:46
  month,
• 25:47
  I
• 25:47
  have
• 25:47
  to
• 25:48
  be
• 25:48
  a
• 25:48
  lot
• 25:48
  more
• 25:48
  aware
• 25:48
  of,
• 25:48
  like
• 25:49
  if
• 25:49
  I've
• 25:49
  had
• 25:49
  a
• 25:49
  good
• 25:50
  month,
• 25:50
  that
• 25:50
  I'm,
• 25:50
  you
• 25:51
  know,
• 25:51
  putting
• 25:51
  extra
• 25:52
  into
• 25:52
  savings
• 25:52
  or
• 25:53
  into
• 25:53
  our
• 25:53
  emergency
• 25:53
  fund
• 25:53
  or
• 25:54
  things
• 25:54
  like
• 25:54
  that.
• 25:54
  Sometimes
• 25:55
  it's
• 25:55
  a
• 25:55
  bad
• 25:55
  month
• 25:56
  and
• 25:56
  I'm,
• 25:56
  my,
• 25:57
  my
• 25:57
  kind
• 25:57
  of
• 25:57
  additional
• 25:58
  income
• 25:58
  streams
• 25:58
  don't
• 25:59
  make
• 25:59
  anything
• 25:59
  then
• 25:59
  I'm,
• 26:00
  I
• 26:00
  have
• 26:00
  to
• 26:00
  kind
• 26:00
  of
• 26:00
  be
• 26:00
  a
• 26:01
  lot
• 26:01
  more
• 26:01
  aware
• 26:02
  every
• 26:02
  month
• 26:02
  of
• 26:03
  what's
• 26:03
  coming
• 26:03
  and
• 26:03
  going.
• 26:04
  When
• 26:04
  I
• 26:04
  became
• 26:04
  a
• 26:04
  parent,
• 26:05
  so
• 26:05
  this
• 26:05
  is
• 26:05
  before
• 26:05
  I
• 26:05
  was
• 26:05
  self
• 26:06
  employed
• 26:06
  and
• 26:07
  me
• 26:07
  and
• 26:07
  my
• 26:07
  partner
• 26:08
  made
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  decision
• 26:08
  that
• 26:09
  we
• 26:09
  were
• 26:09
  going
• 26:09
  to
• 26:09
  combine
• 26:09
  all
• 26:10
  of
• 26:10
  our
• 26:10
  finances
• 26:10
  and
• 26:11
  everything
• 26:11
  kind
• 26:11
  of
• 26:12
  comes
• 26:12
  in
• 26:12
  and
• 26:12
  out
• 26:12
  of
• 26:12
  our
• 26:12
  same
• 26:13
  accounts.
• 26:13
  We've
• 26:13
  got
• 26:13
  joint
• 26:13
  savings,
• 26:14
  got
• 26:14
  emergency
• 26:14
  fund,
• 26:15
  things
• 26:15
  like
• 26:15
  that.
• 26:16
  And
• 26:17
  one
• 26:17
  of
• 26:17
  the
• 26:17
  conversations
• 26:18
  that
• 26:18
  we
• 26:18
  had
• 26:18
  very
• 26:18
  early
• 26:19
  on
• 26:19
  when
• 26:19
  I
• 26:19
  got
• 26:19
  pregnant
• 26:20
  was,
• 26:20
  okay,
• 26:20
  but
• 26:20
  like,
• 26:20
  what
• 26:21
  about
• 26:21
  my
• 26:21
  kiwisaver?
• 26:22
  Because
• 26:23
  you've
• 26:23
  got
• 26:23
  a
• 26:23
  salary
• 26:24
  and
• 26:24
  you
• 26:24
  pay
• 26:25
  some
• 26:25
  of
• 26:25
  your
• 26:25
  income
• 26:25
  into
• 26:25
  your
• 26:26
  kiwisaver
• 26:26
  and
• 26:26
  your
• 26:26
  employer
• 26:27
  tops
• 26:27
  it
• 26:27
  up
• 26:28
  and
• 26:28
  I
• 26:28
  don't
• 26:28
  have
• 26:29
  any
• 26:29
  money
• 26:29
  going
• 26:29
  into
• 26:29
  my
• 26:30
  kiwi
• 26:30
  saver.
• 26:31
  And
• 26:31
  if
• 26:32
  we're
• 26:32
  planning
• 26:32
  that
• 26:32
  I'm
• 26:32
  going
• 26:33
  to
• 26:33
  be
• 26:33
  at
• 26:33
  home,
• 26:33
  you
• 26:34
  know,
• 26:34
  raising
• 26:34
  our
• 26:35
  kids
• 26:35
  for
• 26:35
  some
• 26:36
  time,
• 26:36
  like
• 26:36
  I
• 26:36
  was
• 26:36
  off
• 26:36
  for
• 26:37
  about
• 26:37
  two,
• 26:37
  two
• 26:37
  years,
• 26:38
  two
• 26:38
  and
• 26:38
  a
• 26:38
  half
• 26:38
  years
• 26:38
  with
• 26:38
  my
• 26:39
  daughter,
• 26:40
  that's
• 26:40
  like
• 26:40
  a
• 26:41
  lot
• 26:41
  of
• 26:41
  money
• 26:41
  that
• 26:41
  I'm
• 26:41
  going
• 26:42
  to
• 26:42
  be
• 26:42
  missing
• 26:42
  out
• 26:42
  of
• 26:42
  from
• 26:43
  just
• 26:43
  Kiwisaver
• 26:44
  is
• 26:44
  like
• 26:44
  one
• 26:44
  example,
• 26:45
  let
• 26:45
  alone
• 26:45
  anything
• 26:46
  else.
• 26:46
  Yeah,
• 26:46
  we
• 26:47
  decided
• 26:47
  that
• 26:47
  from
• 26:47
  our
• 26:48
  joint
• 26:48
  money
• 26:48
  that
• 26:49
  we
• 26:49
  would
• 26:49
  pay
• 26:49
  into
• 26:49
  my
• 26:49
  Kiwi
• 26:50
  saver
• 26:50
  because
• 26:51
  we
• 26:51
  moved
• 26:51
  back
• 26:51
  at
• 26:52
  the
• 26:52
  same
• 26:52
  time
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  he
• 26:52
  had
• 26:53
  not
• 26:53
  lived
• 26:53
  here
• 26:53
  before
• 26:54
  I
• 26:54
  had
• 26:55
  what
• 26:55
  he
• 26:55
  started
• 26:56
  with,
• 26:56
  zero
• 26:56
  on
• 26:56
  his
• 26:56
  Kiwi
• 26:56
  Saver.
• 26:57
  And
• 26:57
  so
• 26:57
  now
• 26:57
  we
• 26:58
  look
• 26:58
  at
• 26:58
  his
• 26:58
  Kiwisaver
• 26:59
  and
• 26:59
  we
• 26:59
  look
• 26:59
  at
• 26:59
  my
• 26:59
  Kiwi
• 26:59
  Saver
• 27:00
  and
• 27:00
  we
• 27:00
  can
• 27:00
  very,
• 27:00
  very
• 27:01
  clearly
• 27:01
  see
• 27:01
  what
• 27:01
  I've
• 27:02
  missed
• 27:02
  out
• 27:02
  on
• 27:02
  over
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  last
• 27:03
  couple
• 27:03
  of
• 27:04
  years
• 27:04
  of
• 27:05
  being
• 27:05
  a
• 27:05
  stay
• 27:05
  at
• 27:05
  home
• 27:06
  parent
• 27:06
  and
• 27:06
  then
• 27:06
  now
• 27:06
  being
• 27:07
  self
• 27:07
  employed.
• 27:07
  So,
• 27:08
  and
• 27:08
  so
• 27:08
  I
• 27:09
  pay
• 27:09
  into
• 27:10
  my
• 27:10
  Kiwi
• 27:10
  saver
• 27:11
  from
• 27:11
  again
• 27:12
  our
• 27:12
  joint,
• 27:12
  joint
• 27:13
  money.
• 27:13
  But
• 27:13
  from
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  money
• 27:14
  that
• 27:14
  I'm
• 27:14
  earning
• 27:14
  as
• 27:14
  well,
• 27:15
  from
• 27:15
  these
• 27:15
  different
• 27:15
  things
• 27:16
  that
• 27:16
  I'm
• 27:16
  doing,
• 27:17
  I
• 27:17
  think
• 27:17
  it's
• 27:17
  been
• 27:17
  quite
• 27:17
  important
• 27:18
  for
• 27:18
  me
• 27:18
  to
• 27:18
  think
• 27:19
  I
• 27:19
  want
• 27:20
  to
• 27:20
  make
• 27:20
  sure
• 27:20
  that
• 27:20
  I
• 27:20
  have
• 27:20
  that
• 27:21
  like,
• 27:21
  you
• 27:21
  know,
• 27:22
  income
• 27:22
  going
• 27:22
  in
• 27:22
  there
• 27:22
  as
• 27:23
  well
• 27:23
  and
• 27:23
  I
• 27:23
  don't
• 27:23
  want
• 27:23
  to
• 27:23
  be
• 27:23
  missing
• 27:24
  out
• 27:24
  and
• 27:24
  have
• 27:24
  this
• 27:24
  like
• 27:24
  motherhood
• 27:25
  tax
• 27:25
  and
• 27:25
  this
• 27:25
  self
• 27:26
  employed,
• 27:26
  you
• 27:27
  know,
• 27:28
  disadvantage
• 27:28
  of
• 27:29
  Kiwisaver
• 27:29
  and
• 27:29
  things
• 27:30
  like
• 27:30
  that.
• 27:30
  And
• 27:31
  I
• 27:31
  don't
• 27:31
  know,
• 27:31
  but
• 27:32
  I
• 27:32
  feel
• 27:32
  like
• 27:32
  it's
• 27:32
  something
• 27:32
  that
• 27:32
  a
• 27:33
  lot
• 27:33
  of
• 27:33
  stay
• 27:33
  at
• 27:33
  home
• 27:33
  parents
• 27:33
  don't
• 27:34
  necessarily
• 27:34
  think
• 27:34
  about
• 27:35
  or
• 27:35
  have
• 27:35
  that
• 27:35
  conversation
• 27:36
  around.
• 27:36
  And
• 27:36
  I
• 27:36
  think
• 27:36
  now
• 27:37
  that
• 27:37
  I'm
• 27:37
  earning
• 27:37
  money
• 27:37
  again,
• 27:38
  yes,
• 27:38
  I'm
• 27:39
  self
• 27:39
  employed
• 27:39
  but
• 27:39
  it's
• 27:40
  even
• 27:40
  more
• 27:40
  important
• 27:41
  for
• 27:41
  me
• 27:41
  to
• 27:41
  make
• 27:41
  sure
• 27:41
  that
• 27:41
  I'm
• 27:42
  kind
• 27:42
  of
• 27:42
  like
• 27:42
  overcompensating
• 27:43
  for
• 27:43
  that,
• 27:43
  lost
• 27:44
  like
• 27:45
  savings
• 27:45
  that
• 27:45
  I've,
• 27:45
  that
• 27:46
  I've
• 27:46
  made.
• 27:47
  And
• 27:47
  I
• 27:47
  think
• 27:47
  the
• 27:47
  other
• 27:47
  thing
• 27:49
  that
• 27:49
  really
• 27:50
  got
• 27:50
  me
• 27:50
  thinking
• 27:51
  a
• 27:51
  lot
• 27:51
  more
• 27:51
  about
• 27:51
  money
• 27:51
  as
• 27:52
  well
• 27:52
  is
• 27:52
  at
• 27:52
  the
• 27:52
  end
• 27:52
  of
• 27:52
  last
• 27:53
  year
• 27:54
  my
• 27:54
  partner
• 27:54
  who
• 27:55
  was
• 27:55
  like
• 27:55
  our
• 27:55
  main
• 27:55
  income
• 27:56
  earner
• 27:56
  or
• 27:56
  still
• 27:56
  is
• 27:57
  really
• 27:57
  our
• 27:57
  main
• 27:57
  income
• 27:57
  earner
• 27:59
  got
• 27:59
  made
• 27:59
  redundant.
• 28:00
  And
• 28:00
  so
• 28:00
  his
• 28:01
  company
• 28:01
  did
• 28:01
  like
• 28:01
  a
• 28:01
  massive,
• 28:02
  I
• 28:02
  think
• 28:02
  70
• 28:02
  people
• 28:02
  just
• 28:03
  before
• 28:03
  Christmas
• 28:03
  got
• 28:03
  let
• 28:03
  go.
• 28:04
  It
• 28:04
  was
• 28:04
  huge
• 28:04
  and
• 28:05
  nice.
• 28:05
  Yeah,
• 28:06
  I
• 28:06
  know,
• 28:06
  Christmas.
• 28:07
  And
• 28:07
  so
• 28:07
  we
• 28:08
  were
• 28:08
  very
• 28:08
  lucky
• 28:09
  that
• 28:09
  he
• 28:09
  was
• 28:09
  able
• 28:09
  to
• 28:09
  get
• 28:10
  it.
• 28:10
  He
• 28:11
  just
• 28:11
  went
• 28:11
  hard
• 28:11
  with,
• 28:11
  you
• 28:12
  know,
• 28:12
  applying
• 28:12
  for
• 28:12
  jobs
• 28:13
  and
• 28:13
  interviewing
• 28:13
  and
• 28:13
  we
• 28:13
  were
• 28:14
  very
• 28:14
  lucky
• 28:14
  that
• 28:14
  he
• 28:14
  was
• 28:14
  able
• 28:14
  to
• 28:14
  get
• 28:15
  another
• 28:15
  job
• 28:15
  lined
• 28:15
  up
• 28:17
  pretty
• 28:17
  much
• 28:17
  like
• 28:18
  straight
• 28:18
  away.
• 28:19
  But
• 28:20
  it
• 28:20
  made
• 28:21
  us
• 28:21
  really
• 28:21
  stressed
• 28:22
  thinking,
• 28:23
  how
• 28:23
  are
• 28:23
  we
• 28:23
  going
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  pay
• 28:24
  our
• 28:24
  rent?
• 28:24
  How
• 28:24
  are
• 28:24
  we
• 28:25
  going
• 28:25
  to
• 28:25
  pay
• 28:25
  our
• 28:25
  bills?
• 28:25
  We've
• 28:25
  got
• 28:26
  two
• 28:26
  little
• 28:26
  kids
• 28:26
  like
• 28:27
  do
• 28:27
  we
• 28:27
  have
• 28:27
  enough
• 28:28
  in
• 28:28
  our
• 28:28
  emergency
• 28:29
  savings.
• 28:30
  Like,
• 28:30
  we
• 28:30
  just
• 28:30
  kind
• 28:30
  of
• 28:30
  had
• 28:31
  one
• 28:31
  generic
• 28:32
  fund
• 28:32
  of
• 28:32
  savings,
• 28:33
  I
• 28:33
  guess.
• 28:34
  And
• 28:35
  so
• 28:35
  from
• 28:35
  that
• 28:36
  we
• 28:36
  were
• 28:36
  like,
• 28:37
  okay,
• 28:37
  we
• 28:37
  actually
• 28:37
  need
• 28:37
  to
• 28:37
  consciously
• 28:38
  build
• 28:38
  an
• 28:38
  emergency
• 28:39
  savings
• 28:39
  that
• 28:39
  we
• 28:39
  don't
• 28:39
  touch.
• 28:40
  And
• 28:40
  it's
• 28:40
  three
• 28:40
  months
• 28:40
  worth
• 28:41
  of
• 28:41
  expenses.
• 28:41
  And
• 28:42
  so
• 28:42
  even
• 28:42
  those
• 28:43
  kind
• 28:43
  of
• 28:43
  conversations,
• 28:44
  you
• 28:44
  know,
• 28:44
  we've
• 28:45
  had
• 28:45
  to
• 28:45
  have
• 28:45
  recently
• 28:46
  and
• 28:46
  really
• 28:46
  just
• 28:47
  being
• 28:47
  a
• 28:47
  lot
• 28:47
  more
• 28:48
  aware
• 28:48
  of
• 28:49
  money,
• 28:49
  I
• 28:49
  guess,
• 28:49
  and
• 28:50
  it's
• 28:50
  just
• 28:51
  again,
• 28:51
  going
• 28:51
  back
• 28:51
  to
• 28:51
  that
• 28:52
  fact
• 28:52
  that
• 28:52
  my
• 28:52
  income
• 28:52
  is
• 28:52
  not
• 28:53
  stable
• 28:53
  anymore.
• 28:53
  It's
• 28:54
  not
• 28:54
  the
• 28:54
  same
• 28:54
  every
• 28:54
  month.
• 28:55
  And
• 28:55
  so
• 28:55
  we
• 28:56
  have
• 28:56
  to
• 28:56
  talk
• 28:56
  about
• 28:56
  it
• 28:56
  a
• 28:57
  lot
• 28:57
  more
• 28:57
  because
• 28:57
  if
• 28:57
  I
• 28:57
  have,
• 28:58
  like,
• 28:58
  if
• 28:58
  I
• 28:59
  know,
• 28:59
  okay,
• 28:59
  well,
• 28:59
  in
• 29:00
  May
• 29:00
  I'm
• 29:01
  going
• 29:01
  to
• 29:01
  have
• 29:01
  this
• 29:01
  job
• 29:02
  that's
• 29:02
  going
• 29:02
  to
• 29:02
  bring
• 29:02
  in
• 29:03
  extra
• 29:03
  money.
• 29:03
  We
• 29:04
  have
• 29:04
  to,
• 29:04
  you
• 29:04
  know,
• 29:04
  we
• 29:04
  account
• 29:05
  for
• 29:05
  that.
• 29:05
  Or
• 29:05
  if
• 29:05
  I
• 29:05
  think,
• 29:05
  oh,
• 29:06
  I've
• 29:06
  got
• 29:06
  nothing
• 29:06
  extra
• 29:06
  coming
• 29:07
  in
• 29:07
  in
• 29:07
  April.
• 29:07
  So
• 29:08
  we
• 29:08
  really
• 29:09
  need
• 29:09
  to
• 29:09
  be
• 29:09
  aware
• 29:09
  of
• 29:09
  that
• 29:09
  when
• 29:10
  we're
• 29:10
  doing
• 29:10
  our
• 29:10
  budgeting
• 29:11
  and
• 29:11
  stuff
• 29:11
  and
• 29:11
  what
• 29:12
  does
• 29:12
  our
• 29:12
  savings
• 29:13
  look
• 29:13
  like?
• 29:13
  And
• 29:13
  trying
• 29:13
  to
• 29:13
  track
• 29:13
  things
• 29:14
  more
• 29:14
  closely.
• 29:14
  And
• 29:14
  we're
• 29:15
  so
• 29:15
  not
• 29:15
  perfect
• 29:15
  at
• 29:16
  it.
• 29:16
  I'm
• 29:16
  still
• 29:17
  really,
• 29:17
  you
• 29:17
  know,
• 29:18
  not,
• 29:18
  not
• 29:18
  great
• 29:18
  at
• 29:19
  it,
• 29:19
  but
• 29:19
  we
• 29:19
  definitely
• 29:20
  have
• 29:20
  those
• 29:20
  conversations
• 29:21
  a
• 29:21
  lot
• 29:21
  more
• 29:21
  now.
• 29:22
  This
• 29:23
  episode
• 29:23
  of
• 29:23
  Making
• 29:23
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• 29:24
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• 29:24
  supported
• 29:25
  by
• 29:25
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• 29:26
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• 29:26
  honestly,
• 29:26
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• 29:27
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• 29:28
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• 29:29
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• 29:30
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• 29:30
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• 30:56
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• 30:57
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  All
• 30:59
  right,
• 30:59
  back
• 31:00
  to.
• 31:01
  Is
• 31:02
  funny
• 31:02
  though,
• 31:02
  isn't
• 31:02
  it?
• 31:02
  Because
• 31:03
  we
• 31:03
  were
• 31:03
  just
• 31:03
  saying
• 31:03
  before
• 31:03
  about
• 31:04
  being
• 31:04
  in
• 31:04
  business
• 31:04
  and
• 31:05
  you're
• 31:05
  so
• 31:05
  aware
• 31:06
  that
• 31:06
  you
• 31:06
  don't
• 31:06
  have
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  safety
• 31:07
  net
• 31:07
  there.
• 31:08
  And
• 31:09
  my
• 31:10
  potentially
• 31:10
  unpopular
• 31:11
  opinion
• 31:12
  is
• 31:12
  that
• 31:13
  the
• 31:13
  safety
• 31:13
  net
• 31:14
  with
• 31:15
  a
• 31:15
  salary
• 31:15
  job
• 31:16
  is
• 31:16
  somewhat
• 31:17
  of
• 31:17
  an
• 31:17
  illusion
• 31:18
  anyway.
• 31:19
  And,
• 31:19
  you
• 31:19
  know,
• 31:19
  I.
• 31:20
  I
• 31:20
  went
• 31:20
  through
• 31:20
  this
• 31:20
  in
• 31:20
  Covid,
• 31:21
  where
• 31:21
  we
• 31:21
  were
• 31:21
  all
• 31:21
  asked
• 31:22
  to
• 31:22
  take
• 31:22
  a
• 31:22
  reduction
• 31:22
  in
• 31:23
  pay
• 31:24
  and
• 31:24
  we
• 31:24
  did
• 31:24
  because
• 31:25
  there
• 31:25
  was
• 31:26
  no
• 31:26
  idea
• 31:27
  of
• 31:27
  whether
• 31:27
  the
• 31:28
  company
• 31:28
  would
• 31:28
  keep
• 31:28
  going.
• 31:30
  And,
• 31:30
  you
• 31:30
  know,
• 31:30
  you
• 31:30
  can
• 31:31
  lose
• 31:31
  your
• 31:31
  job
• 31:31
  with
• 31:32
  quite
• 31:32
  short
• 31:32
  notice
• 31:33
  and
• 31:33
  at
• 31:33
  least
• 31:34
  when
• 31:34
  you're
• 31:34
  running
• 31:35
  a
• 31:35
  business,
• 31:37
  you
• 31:37
  can
• 31:37
  take
• 31:38
  more
• 31:38
  control
• 31:39
  of
• 31:39
  things.
• 31:39
  You
• 31:39
  know,
• 31:39
  when
• 31:40
  I
• 31:40
  was
• 31:40
  a
• 31:40
  salaried
• 31:40
  employee,
• 31:41
  if
• 31:41
  I
• 31:41
  was
• 31:41
  like,
• 31:41
  I
• 31:42
  think
• 31:42
  we're
• 31:42
  making
• 31:42
  a
• 31:42
  mistake
• 31:42
  here
• 31:43
  and
• 31:43
  I
• 31:43
  think
• 31:43
  we
• 31:43
  should
• 31:43
  go
• 31:43
  that
• 31:43
  way,
• 31:44
  did
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  bosses
• 31:44
  listen
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  me?
• 31:45
  No,
• 31:45
  they
• 31:45
  didn't.
• 31:46
  They
• 31:46
  didn't
• 31:46
  appreciate
• 31:47
  getting
• 31:47
  that
• 31:47
  feedback
• 31:48
  whatsoever,
• 31:48
  no
• 31:49
  matter
• 31:49
  how
• 31:49
  you
• 31:49
  tried
• 31:50
  to
• 31:50
  phrase
• 31:50
  it
• 31:50
  or
• 31:51
  frame
• 31:51
  it.
• 31:51
  Whereas
• 31:52
  now
• 31:52
  running
• 31:52
  my
• 31:52
  own
• 31:52
  business,
• 31:53
  I'm
• 31:53
  like,
• 31:54
  this
• 31:54
  bit
• 31:54
  isn't
• 31:55
  working
• 31:55
  out
• 31:55
  so
• 31:55
  great.
• 31:56
  This
• 31:56
  bit
• 31:57
  seems
• 31:58
  like
• 31:58
  there's
• 31:58
  heaps
• 31:58
  of
• 31:58
  potential.
• 31:58
  I'm
• 31:59
  going
• 31:59
  to
• 31:59
  lean
• 31:59
  into
• 31:59
  that
• 31:59
  and
• 31:59
  go
• 32:00
  hard
• 32:00
  and
• 32:00
  being
• 32:01
  able
• 32:01
  to
• 32:01
  take
• 32:01
  control
• 32:01
  of
• 32:02
  that.
• 32:02
  I've
• 32:02
  been
• 32:02
  able
• 32:03
  to
• 32:03
  scale
• 32:03
  up
• 32:03
  a
• 32:03
  business
• 32:04
  quick,
• 32:04
  quite
• 32:04
  quickly
• 32:04
  and
• 32:05
  really
• 32:05
  lean
• 32:05
  into
• 32:05
  the
• 32:05
  profitable
• 32:06
  bits.
• 32:08
  And
• 32:08
  yes,
• 32:08
  it's
• 32:09
  a
• 32:09
  lot
• 32:09
  of
• 32:09
  work,
• 32:09
  but
• 32:09
  it's
• 32:10
  also
• 32:10
  having
• 32:10
  that
• 32:10
  control
• 32:11
  of
• 32:11
  the
• 32:11
  destiny.
• 32:12
  It's
• 32:12
  interesting,
• 32:13
  isn't
• 32:13
  it,
• 32:13
  that
• 32:14
  the
• 32:14
  safety
• 32:15
  net
• 32:15
  can
• 32:15
  get
• 32:15
  ripped
• 32:15
  away
• 32:16
  quite
• 32:16
  quickly
• 32:16
  with
• 32:16
  silo
• 32:17
  jobs?
• 32:17
  Totally.
• 32:18
  And
• 32:18
  I,
• 32:19
  I
• 32:19
  don't
• 32:19
  know,
• 32:19
  like,
• 32:20
  I
• 32:20
  would
• 32:20
  be,
• 32:20
  you
• 32:20
  know,
• 32:21
  I
• 32:21
  would
• 32:21
  be
• 32:21
  keen
• 32:21
  to
• 32:21
  know
• 32:22
  you
• 32:22
  probably
• 32:22
  have
• 32:22
  a
• 32:22
  better
• 32:22
  idea
• 32:23
  than
• 32:24
  me,
• 32:24
  but
• 32:24
  how
• 32:24
  many
• 32:25
  people
• 32:25
  actually
• 32:25
  do
• 32:25
  have
• 32:25
  that
• 32:26
  kind
• 32:26
  of
• 32:26
  emergency
• 32:26
  savings
• 32:27
  fund?
• 32:27
  Because
• 32:28
  very
• 32:28
  few.
• 32:28
  I
• 32:29
  think
• 32:29
  it's
• 32:30
  like
• 32:31
  less
• 32:31
  than
• 32:31
  50%
• 32:32
  of
• 32:32
  New
• 32:32
  Zealanders
• 32:33
  have
• 32:33
  a
• 32:33
  thousand
• 32:33
  dollars
• 32:34
  on
• 32:34
  hand.
• 32:34
  Wow,
• 32:35
  that's
• 32:35
  off
• 32:35
  the
• 32:35
  top
• 32:35
  of
• 32:35
  my.
• 32:36
  And
• 32:36
  it's
• 32:37
  probably
• 32:37
  even,
• 32:37
  you
• 32:37
  know,
• 32:37
  times
• 32:38
  are
• 32:38
  so
• 32:38
  tough
• 32:38
  at
• 32:38
  the
• 32:38
  moment
• 32:39
  as
• 32:39
  well.
• 32:39
  Like,
• 32:39
  people
• 32:39
  are
• 32:39
  really
• 32:40
  having
• 32:40
  to
• 32:40
  dip
• 32:41
  into
• 32:41
  that.
• 32:41
  But
• 32:41
  I
• 32:42
  think
• 32:42
  that,
• 32:43
  you
• 32:43
  know,
• 32:43
  they
• 32:44
  say.
• 32:44
  They.
• 32:45
  Who
• 32:45
  is
• 32:45
  they?
• 32:45
  People
• 32:46
  in
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  world
• 32:46
  say
• 32:47
  that
• 32:47
  you're
• 32:47
  supposed
• 32:48
  to
• 32:48
  have
• 32:48
  three
• 32:49
  months
• 32:49
  of
• 32:49
  your
• 32:49
  expenses
• 32:50
  and
• 32:51
  that
• 32:51
  is
• 32:51
  actually,
• 32:52
  you
• 32:52
  know,
• 32:52
  it's
• 32:53
  hard.
• 32:53
  It
• 32:53
  can
• 32:53
  be
• 32:53
  quite
• 32:53
  a
• 32:53
  lot
• 32:54
  of
• 32:54
  money.
• 32:54
  And
• 32:54
  yeah,
• 32:54
  we
• 32:54
  really
• 32:55
  felt
• 32:55
  it
• 32:55
  when
• 32:55
  he
• 32:55
  got
• 32:55
  made
• 32:56
  redundant.
• 32:56
  It
• 32:56
  was
• 32:56
  this,
• 32:56
  like,
• 32:56
  fear
• 32:57
  of.
• 32:57
  Oh,
• 32:57
  my
• 32:57
  gosh,
• 32:58
  like,
• 32:58
  it's
• 32:59
  a
• 32:59
  bit
• 32:59
  of
• 32:59
  an
• 32:59
  illusion
• 32:59
  being
• 33:00
  In
• 33:00
  a
• 33:00
  salary
• 33:00
  job,
• 33:01
  I
• 33:01
  think
• 33:01
  it's,
• 33:01
  it's
• 33:01
  easier
• 33:02
  to
• 33:02
  plan
• 33:02
  in
• 33:02
  the
• 33:02
  sense
• 33:03
  that
• 33:03
  your
• 33:03
  income
• 33:03
  is
• 33:03
  the
• 33:03
  same
• 33:03
  every
• 33:04
  month,
• 33:04
  so,
• 33:04
  but
• 33:04
  your
• 33:05
  income
• 33:05
  can
• 33:05
  get
• 33:05
  taken
• 33:05
  away.
• 33:06
  And
• 33:06
  so
• 33:06
  then
• 33:07
  what
• 33:07
  do
• 33:07
  you
• 33:07
  do?
• 33:07
  You
• 33:08
  know,
• 33:08
  now
• 33:08
  being
• 33:08
  self
• 33:08
  employed
• 33:09
  for
• 33:09
  me
• 33:09
  I
• 33:09
  have
• 33:10
  Rome
• 33:10
  is
• 33:10
  kind
• 33:10
  of
• 33:10
  like
• 33:10
  one
• 33:11
  thing
• 33:11
  that
• 33:11
  I
• 33:11
  do
• 33:11
  and
• 33:12
  I
• 33:12
  work
• 33:12
  on
• 33:12
  and
• 33:12
  I
• 33:12
  hope
• 33:13
  that
• 33:13
  one
• 33:13
  day
• 33:13
  that
• 33:13
  will
• 33:13
  be
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  biggest
• 33:14
  and
• 33:14
  that
• 33:14
  will
• 33:14
  be
• 33:15
  my
• 33:15
  main,
• 33:16
  you
• 33:16
  know,
• 33:17
  job
• 33:17
  that
• 33:17
  is
• 33:17
  a
• 33:18
  bit
• 33:18
  more
• 33:18
  stable
• 33:18
  and
• 33:18
  a
• 33:19
  bit
• 33:19
  more
• 33:19
  secure.
• 33:19
  But
• 33:20
  I
• 33:20
  don't
• 33:20
  take
• 33:20
  a
• 33:20
  lot
• 33:21
  from
• 33:21
  it
• 33:21
  at
• 33:21
  the
• 33:21
  moment
• 33:21
  because
• 33:21
  we're
• 33:22
  really
• 33:22
  in
• 33:22
  a
• 33:23
  growth
• 33:23
  stage
• 33:23
  of
• 33:23
  trying
• 33:24
  to
• 33:24
  put
• 33:24
  as
• 33:24
  much
• 33:24
  as
• 33:25
  we
• 33:25
  can
• 33:25
  back
• 33:25
  into
• 33:25
  like
• 33:25
  marketing
• 33:26
  and
• 33:26
  running
• 33:27
  events
• 33:27
  and
• 33:27
  paying
• 33:28
  for
• 33:28
  promotional
• 33:28
  material
• 33:29
  or
• 33:29
  running
• 33:29
  ads
• 33:30
  or
• 33:30
  you
• 33:31
  know,
• 33:31
  putting
• 33:31
  it
• 33:31
  into
• 33:31
  development
• 33:32
  for
• 33:32
  engineers
• 33:33
  and
• 33:33
  building
• 33:33
  the
• 33:33
  product
• 33:34
  to
• 33:34
  be
• 33:34
  better.
• 33:34
  And
• 33:34
  so
• 33:35
  I've
• 33:35
  had
• 33:35
  to
• 33:35
  build
• 33:36
  out
• 33:36
  different
• 33:37
  ways
• 33:37
  of
• 33:37
  making
• 33:38
  money
• 33:38
  really.
• 33:38
  If
• 33:39
  you
• 33:39
  want
• 33:39
  to
• 33:39
  like
• 33:39
  grow
• 33:39
  your
• 33:40
  savings,
• 33:40
  the
• 33:40
  only
• 33:40
  way
• 33:40
  to
• 33:40
  do
• 33:40
  that
• 33:41
  is
• 33:41
  actually
• 33:41
  to
• 33:41
  increase
• 33:41
  your
• 33:41
  earning.
• 33:42
  And
• 33:42
  I
• 33:42
  think
• 33:43
  that's
• 33:43
  where
• 33:43
  for
• 33:43
  me
• 33:43
  I'm
• 33:44
  like,
• 33:44
  if
• 33:44
  I
• 33:44
  want
• 33:44
  to
• 33:45
  be
• 33:45
  saving
• 33:45
  more,
• 33:45
  if
• 33:45
  I
• 33:45
  want
• 33:46
  to
• 33:46
  have
• 33:46
  more
• 33:46
  of
• 33:46
  my
• 33:46
  kiwi
• 33:47
  saver,
• 33:47
  if
• 33:47
  I
• 33:47
  want
• 33:47
  to,
• 33:47
  you
• 33:47
  know,
• 33:48
  put
• 33:48
  more
• 33:48
  into
• 33:48
  shares
• 33:49
  or
• 33:49
  I
• 33:49
  want
• 33:49
  to,
• 33:49
  you
• 33:49
  know,
• 33:50
  have
• 33:50
  more
• 33:51
  income,
• 33:51
  I
• 33:51
  need
• 33:52
  to
• 33:52
  make
• 33:52
  more
• 33:52
  money.
• 33:52
  Like
• 33:53
  I,
• 33:53
  I
• 33:53
  can't.
• 33:54
  You
• 33:54
  can
• 33:54
  only
• 33:54
  save
• 33:55
  so
• 33:55
  much.
• 33:55
  That
• 33:56
  was
• 33:56
  a
• 33:56
  really
• 33:56
  big
• 33:56
  thing
• 33:57
  for
• 33:57
  me,
• 33:57
  was
• 33:57
  becoming
• 33:57
  self
• 33:57
  employed.
• 33:58
  I
• 33:58
  viewed
• 33:58
  money
• 33:58
  very
• 33:59
  differently
• 33:59
  and
• 33:59
  I
• 33:59
  started
• 33:59
  to
• 34:00
  realize
• 34:00
  like,
• 34:00
  I
• 34:01
  don't
• 34:01
  actually
• 34:01
  need
• 34:01
  to
• 34:01
  go
• 34:01
  and
• 34:01
  get
• 34:02
  a
• 34:02
  job,
• 34:02
  earn
• 34:02
  more
• 34:03
  money.
• 34:03
  I
• 34:03
  can
• 34:03
  actually
• 34:03
  make
• 34:04
  more
• 34:04
  money
• 34:04
  myself
• 34:05
  through
• 34:05
  other
• 34:05
  ways.
• 34:06
  And
• 34:06
  then
• 34:06
  really
• 34:07
  like
• 34:07
  leaning
• 34:07
  into
• 34:07
  that
• 34:08
  idea
• 34:08
  and
• 34:08
  being
• 34:08
  creative
• 34:09
  with
• 34:09
  that
• 34:09
  and
• 34:09
  thinking
• 34:09
  about
• 34:09
  that
• 34:10
  more
• 34:10
  and
• 34:11
  that
• 34:11
  mindset
• 34:12
  shift.
• 34:13
  Because
• 34:14
  I
• 34:14
  always
• 34:14
  just
• 34:14
  thought,
• 34:14
  you
• 34:15
  know,
• 34:15
  my
• 34:15
  whole
• 34:15
  life,
• 34:15
  it's
• 34:16
  like
• 34:16
  in
• 34:16
  order
• 34:16
  to
• 34:16
  get
• 34:16
  more
• 34:16
  money
• 34:17
  you
• 34:17
  have
• 34:17
  to
• 34:17
  get
• 34:17
  a
• 34:17
  job.
• 34:18
  And
• 34:18
  it's
• 34:18
  like
• 34:18
  you
• 34:18
  actually,
• 34:19
  you
• 34:19
  don't.
• 34:19
  And
• 34:20
  so
• 34:20
  then
• 34:20
  I
• 34:20
  started
• 34:20
  to
• 34:20
  think,
• 34:20
  well,
• 34:20
  what
• 34:21
  other
• 34:21
  ways
• 34:21
  could
• 34:21
  I
• 34:22
  could,
• 34:22
  could
• 34:22
  I
• 34:22
  create
• 34:23
  money?
• 34:23
  You
• 34:23
  know,
• 34:23
  what
• 34:23
  other
• 34:24
  opportunities
• 34:24
  are
• 34:24
  there?
• 34:25
  The
• 34:25
  start
• 34:25
  of
• 34:25
  this
• 34:25
  year
• 34:25
  decided
• 34:26
  I
• 34:26
  was
• 34:26
  going
• 34:26
  to
• 34:26
  try
• 34:26
  and
• 34:26
  sell
• 34:26
  as
• 34:27
  as
• 34:27
  much
• 34:27
  of
• 34:27
  my
• 34:27
  stuff
• 34:28
  that
• 34:28
  I
• 34:28
  don't
• 34:28
  use
• 34:28
  as
• 34:28
  I
• 34:29
  could
• 34:29
  on
• 34:29
  Marketplace
• 34:30
  and
• 34:30
  put
• 34:30
  all
• 34:30
  of
• 34:30
  that
• 34:30
  money
• 34:31
  into
• 34:31
  savings.
• 34:32
  And
• 34:32
  you've
• 34:33
  got
• 34:33
  friends
• 34:33
  that
• 34:33
  do
• 34:34
  this
• 34:34
  as
• 34:34
  well.
• 34:34
  And
• 34:34
  it's
• 34:34
  like
• 34:34
  you
• 34:35
  can
• 34:35
  actually
• 34:35
  make
• 34:36
  quite
• 34:36
  a
• 34:36
  bit
• 34:36
  of
• 34:36
  money
• 34:37
  into
• 34:37
  your
• 34:37
  savings
• 34:37
  just
• 34:38
  from
• 34:38
  things
• 34:38
  that
• 34:38
  are
• 34:38
  like
• 34:38
  sitting
• 34:38
  around
• 34:39
  your
• 34:39
  house
• 34:39
  that
• 34:39
  you're
• 34:39
  not
• 34:39
  using
• 34:40
  or
• 34:40
  clothes
• 34:40
  are
• 34:40
  in
• 34:41
  my
• 34:41
  wardrobe
• 34:41
  and
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  haven't
• 34:41
  worn
• 34:42
  since
• 34:42
  like
• 34:42
  before
• 34:43
  I
• 34:43
  had
• 34:43
  kids.
• 34:43
  I'm
• 34:44
  thinking
• 34:44
  like,
• 34:44
  why
• 34:44
  am
• 34:44
  I
• 34:44
  holding
• 34:45
  on
• 34:45
  to
• 34:45
  this?
• 34:45
  You
• 34:45
  know,
• 34:45
  it's
• 34:45
  not
• 34:46
  even
• 34:46
  my
• 34:46
  style
• 34:46
  anymore.
• 34:47
  And
• 34:48
  yeah,
• 34:48
  I
• 34:48
  think
• 34:48
  how
• 34:49
  you
• 34:49
  just
• 34:49
  really
• 34:50
  totally
• 34:50
  view
• 34:51
  money
• 34:51
  and
• 34:52
  earning
• 34:52
  money
• 34:53
  or
• 34:53
  making
• 34:53
  money
• 34:54
  so
• 34:54
  differently
• 34:55
  now.
• 34:55
  Yeah,
• 34:56
  yeah,
• 34:56
  I
• 34:56
  so
• 34:57
  agree
• 34:57
  with
• 34:57
  you.
• 34:57
  I
• 34:57
  so
• 34:58
  hear
• 34:58
  what
• 34:58
  you're
• 34:58
  saying.
• 34:58
  Basically
• 34:59
  there's
• 34:59
  only
• 34:59
  so
• 34:59
  much
• 34:59
  you
• 34:59
  can
• 34:59
  cut
• 35:00
  back.
• 35:00
  Right.
• 35:00
  But
• 35:01
  you
• 35:01
  know,
• 35:01
  especially
• 35:02
  when
• 35:02
  you're
• 35:02
  a
• 35:02
  business
• 35:02
  owner,
• 35:03
  there
• 35:03
  is
• 35:03
  more
• 35:03
  freedom
• 35:04
  to
• 35:04
  grow
• 35:04
  that
• 35:05
  income.
• 35:05
  And
• 35:05
  of
• 35:05
  course
• 35:06
  you
• 35:06
  can
• 35:06
  do
• 35:06
  more
• 35:06
  with
• 35:07
  money
• 35:07
  when
• 35:07
  you
• 35:08
  have
• 35:08
  more
• 35:08
  of
• 35:08
  it.
• 35:09
  And
• 35:09
  yeah,
• 35:10
  growing
• 35:10
  that
• 35:10
  income
• 35:11
  is
• 35:11
  a
• 35:11
  lot
• 35:12
  less
• 35:12
  painful
• 35:12
  than
• 35:13
  trying
• 35:13
  to
• 35:13
  cut
• 35:13
  back
• 35:13
  and
• 35:13
  also
• 35:14
  hitting
• 35:14
  a
• 35:14
  floor
• 35:14
  where
• 35:15
  you're
• 35:15
  like,
• 35:15
  well,
• 35:16
  at
• 35:16
  a
• 35:16
  certain
• 35:16
  point
• 35:17
  I
• 35:17
  have
• 35:17
  to
• 35:17
  eat
• 35:17
  and
• 35:18
  food
• 35:18
  is
• 35:18
  expensive,
• 35:19
  like,
• 35:20
  what
• 35:20
  are
• 35:20
  you
• 35:20
  gonna
• 35:20
  do?
• 35:20
  And
• 35:21
  petrol
• 35:21
  is
• 35:21
  everything.
• 35:22
  It's
• 35:22
  like
• 35:22
  the
• 35:22
  cost
• 35:23
  of
• 35:23
  living
• 35:23
  is
• 35:23
  crazy.
• 35:24
  So
• 35:24
  tell
• 35:24
  me
• 35:24
  about.
• 35:25
  Because
• 35:25
  you've
• 35:25
  mentioned
• 35:25
  a
• 35:25
  couple
• 35:26
  of
• 35:26
  times
• 35:26
  that
• 35:26
  you
• 35:26
  have
• 35:26
  different
• 35:26
  income
• 35:27
  streams.
• 35:27
  So
• 35:27
  obviously
• 35:28
  you've
• 35:28
  got
• 35:28
  Rome
• 35:29
  and
• 35:29
  then
• 35:29
  you've
• 35:29
  done
• 35:30
  things
• 35:30
  like,
• 35:30
  you
• 35:30
  know,
• 35:31
  everything
• 35:31
  that
• 35:31
  you
• 35:31
  own
• 35:31
  used
• 35:32
  to
• 35:32
  be
• 35:32
  money,
• 35:32
  so
• 35:32
  you're
• 35:33
  selling
• 35:33
  some
• 35:33
  of
• 35:33
  that
• 35:33
  clutter.
• 35:34
  Love
• 35:34
  it.
• 35:36
  Do.
• 35:36
  What
• 35:36
  sort
• 35:37
  of
• 35:37
  other
• 35:37
  income
• 35:37
  streams
• 35:38
  do
• 35:38
  you
• 35:38
  have
• 35:38
  that
• 35:38
  sort
• 35:38
  of
• 35:38
  make
• 35:38
  this
• 35:39
  a
• 35:39
  bit
• 35:39
  more
• 35:39
  stable?
• 35:39
  It's
• 35:40
  very
• 35:40
  higgledy
• 35:41
  piggledy,
• 35:41
  that's
• 35:41
  what
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  would
• 35:42
  say.
• 35:43
  And
• 35:43
  so
• 35:43
  one
• 35:43
  of
• 35:43
  the
• 35:44
  main
• 35:44
  ways
• 35:44
  that
• 35:45
  I
• 35:45
  make
• 35:45
  money
• 35:45
  at
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  moment
• 35:45
  is
• 35:45
  through
• 35:46
  like
• 35:46
  creating
• 35:46
  content.
• 35:47
  And
• 35:47
  this
• 35:47
  is
• 35:47
  something
• 35:47
  that
• 35:48
  anybody
• 35:48
  can
• 35:48
  do.
• 35:48
  You
• 35:48
  don't
• 35:48
  need
• 35:49
  a
• 35:49
  following.
• 35:49
  Is
• 35:49
  UGC
• 35:50
  content.
• 35:50
  And
• 35:51
  so
• 35:51
  UGC
• 35:52
  standing
• 35:52
  for
• 35:52
  User
• 35:52
  Generated.
• 35:53
  User
• 35:53
  Generated
• 35:54
  Content.
• 35:54
  Yeah.
• 35:54
  And
• 35:55
  so
• 35:55
  anybody
• 35:56
  can
• 35:56
  do
• 35:56
  this.
• 35:56
  You
• 35:57
  can
• 35:57
  just
• 35:57
  approach
• 35:57
  a
• 35:58
  brand
• 35:58
  and
• 35:58
  let's
• 35:58
  say
• 35:59
  the
• 35:59
  warehouse
• 35:59
  and
• 35:59
  say,
• 36:00
  I'm
• 36:00
  a
• 36:00
  UGC
• 36:01
  creator.
• 36:01
  I'd
• 36:01
  love
• 36:01
  to
• 36:02
  make
• 36:02
  content
• 36:02
  for
• 36:02
  you.
• 36:02
  I've
• 36:03
  had
• 36:03
  these
• 36:03
  ideas
• 36:03
  around
• 36:04
  this
• 36:04
  kind
• 36:04
  of
• 36:04
  concept
• 36:05
  that
• 36:05
  would
• 36:05
  be
• 36:05
  really
• 36:05
  cool.
• 36:05
  I
• 36:05
  think
• 36:06
  it
• 36:06
  would
• 36:06
  resonate
• 36:06
  with
• 36:06
  this
• 36:07
  kind
• 36:07
  of
• 36:07
  audience.
• 36:08
  And
• 36:08
  then
• 36:08
  they
• 36:08
  will
• 36:08
  pay
• 36:09
  you
• 36:09
  to
• 36:09
  make
• 36:09
  that
• 36:09
  content
• 36:10
  for
• 36:10
  them
• 36:10
  and
• 36:10
  you.
• 36:10
  They
• 36:11
  post
• 36:11
  on
• 36:11
  their
• 36:11
  own
• 36:11
  pages.
• 36:12
  You
• 36:12
  don't
• 36:12
  have
• 36:12
  to
• 36:12
  have
• 36:13
  a
• 36:13
  following
• 36:13
  to
• 36:13
  post
• 36:13
  it.
• 36:14
  So
• 36:14
  now
• 36:15
  over
• 36:15
  time
• 36:15
  I've
• 36:16
  built
• 36:16
  a
• 36:16
  following
• 36:17
  which
• 36:17
  has
• 36:17
  been
• 36:17
  like
• 36:17
  a
• 36:18
  very
• 36:18
  small
• 36:18
  but
• 36:19
  been
• 36:19
  really
• 36:20
  hard
• 36:20
  work
• 36:21
  as
• 36:21
  well.
• 36:21
  Like
• 36:22
  I've
• 36:22
  posted
• 36:22
  every
• 36:22
  day,
• 36:23
  I
• 36:23
  think
• 36:23
  for
• 36:23
  three
• 36:23
  years
• 36:24
  or
• 36:24
  something.
• 36:24
  It's,
• 36:24
  you
• 36:25
  know,
• 36:25
  it's
• 36:25
  been
• 36:25
  a
• 36:26
  grind.
• 36:26
  But
• 36:26
  now
• 36:27
  I'm
• 36:27
  getting
• 36:27
  opportunities
• 36:28
  to
• 36:28
  do
• 36:28
  paid
• 36:28
  content
• 36:29
  and
• 36:29
  things
• 36:29
  like
• 36:29
  that
• 36:29
  and
• 36:30
  to
• 36:30
  have
• 36:30
  paid
• 36:30
  partnerships
• 36:31
  on
• 36:31
  there.
• 36:32
  And
• 36:32
  I
• 36:33
  haven't
• 36:33
  done
• 36:33
  so
• 36:33
  many
• 36:33
  this
• 36:34
  year,
• 36:34
  but
• 36:34
  last
• 36:34
  year
• 36:34
  I
• 36:34
  did
• 36:35
  a
• 36:35
  lot
• 36:35
  of
• 36:35
  events.
• 36:36
  So
• 36:36
  I
• 36:36
  did
• 36:36
  events
• 36:36
  with
• 36:36
  Auckland
• 36:37
  Council
• 36:37
  and
• 36:37
  I
• 36:38
  hosted
• 36:38
  like
• 36:38
  nature
• 36:38
  play
• 36:39
  group
• 36:39
  events.
• 36:39
  Auckland
• 36:40
  Council
• 36:40
  paid
• 36:40
  for
• 36:41
  us,
• 36:41
  for
• 36:41
  me
• 36:41
  and
• 36:42
  somebody
• 36:42
  asked
• 36:42
  to
• 36:42
  facilitate
• 36:43
  those
• 36:43
  together.
• 36:44
  At
• 36:44
  the
• 36:44
  end
• 36:44
  of
• 36:45
  last
• 36:45
  year,
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  Organized
• 36:46
  a
• 36:46
  Christmas
• 36:46
  party
• 36:46
  for
• 36:47
  mums.
• 36:47
  And
• 36:47
  so
• 36:47
  it
• 36:47
  was
• 36:48
  basically
• 36:48
  to
• 36:48
  recognize,
• 36:48
  you
• 36:49
  know,
• 36:49
  the
• 36:49
  unpaid
• 36:49
  work
• 36:49
  that
• 36:50
  mums
• 36:50
  do.
• 36:50
  If
• 36:50
  you're,
• 36:51
  if
• 36:51
  you're
• 36:51
  a
• 36:51
  stay
• 36:51
  at
• 36:51
  home
• 36:51
  mom
• 36:52
  especially
• 36:52
  you
• 36:52
  don't
• 36:52
  get
• 36:52
  like
• 36:53
  an
• 36:53
  office
• 36:53
  Christmas
• 36:53
  party
• 36:54
  at
• 36:54
  the
• 36:54
  end
• 36:54
  of
• 36:54
  the
• 36:54
  year.
• 36:55
  And
• 36:55
  I
• 36:55
  thought
• 36:55
  moms
• 36:56
  deserve
• 36:56
  a
• 36:56
  night
• 36:56
  out.
• 36:57
  So
• 36:57
  we
• 36:57
  did
• 36:57
  it.
• 36:57
  We
• 36:57
  had
• 36:57
  spot
• 36:58
  prizes.
• 36:58
  I
• 36:58
  think
• 36:58
  we
• 36:58
  gave
• 36:59
  away
• 36:59
  about
• 36:59
  $30,000
• 37:00
  worth
• 37:00
  of
• 37:00
  prizes
• 37:01
  on
• 37:01
  the
• 37:01
  night
• 37:01
  in
• 37:01
  terms
• 37:01
  of
• 37:01
  like
• 37:02
  goodie
• 37:02
  bag
• 37:02
  stuff.
• 37:03
  And
• 37:03
  so
• 37:03
  in
• 37:03
  the
• 37:03
  future
• 37:04
  I'd
• 37:04
  love
• 37:04
  to
• 37:04
  make
• 37:04
  that
• 37:05
  a
• 37:05
  more
• 37:05
  regular
• 37:05
  thing
• 37:06
  that
• 37:06
  I
• 37:06
  do
• 37:07
  with
• 37:07
  running
• 37:08
  events
• 37:08
  and
• 37:08
  get
• 37:09
  to
• 37:09
  a
• 37:09
  point
• 37:09
  where
• 37:09
  that
• 37:10
  is
• 37:10
  also
• 37:10
  profitable
• 37:10
  as
• 37:11
  well.
• 37:11
  Yeah.
• 37:11
  And
• 37:12
  then
• 37:12
  also
• 37:12
  I've
• 37:12
  really
• 37:12
  started
• 37:13
  taking
• 37:13
  investing
• 37:14
  more
• 37:14
  seriously
• 37:15
  and
• 37:15
  I
• 37:16
  feel
• 37:16
  like
• 37:16
  I'm
• 37:16
  super
• 37:16
  late
• 37:17
  to
• 37:17
  the
• 37:17
  party,
• 37:17
  you
• 37:17
  know,
• 37:17
  like
• 37:18
  it
• 37:18
  started
• 37:18
  when
• 37:18
  I
• 37:18
  was
• 37:18
  35.
• 37:19
  Everyone
• 37:19
  says
• 37:19
  that
• 37:21
  everyone
• 37:21
  wishes
• 37:22
  they
• 37:22
  started
• 37:22
  earlier,
• 37:22
  even
• 37:23
  if
• 37:23
  they
• 37:23
  start
• 37:23
  when
• 37:23
  they're
• 37:23
  16.
• 37:24
  I
• 37:24
  know,
• 37:24
  I
• 37:24
  know.
• 37:25
  I've
• 37:25
  started
• 37:26
  jerseys
• 37:26
  for
• 37:26
  my
• 37:26
  kids
• 37:27
  now.
• 37:27
  So
• 37:27
  I'm
• 37:27
  like,
• 37:27
  you
• 37:27
  cannot
• 37:27
  say
• 37:28
  that
• 37:28
  you
• 37:28
  wish
• 37:28
  that
• 37:28
  earlier
• 37:28
  because
• 37:29
  you
• 37:29
  started
• 37:29
  when
• 37:29
  you're
• 37:29
  born.
• 37:30
  But
• 37:31
  yeah,
• 37:31
  I've
• 37:31
  started
• 37:31
  to
• 37:32
  try
• 37:32
  and
• 37:32
  learn
• 37:33
  more
• 37:33
  about
• 37:33
  that.
• 37:33
  I
• 37:34
  feel
• 37:34
  like
• 37:34
  that's
• 37:35
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• 37:35
  the
• 37:35
  way
• 37:35
  that
• 37:36
  most
• 37:36
  non
• 37:36
  financial
• 37:37
  people
• 37:38
  feel
• 37:38
  is
• 37:38
  that
• 37:38
  it
• 37:38
  is
• 37:39
  very
• 37:39
  overwhelming.
• 37:39
  It's
• 37:40
  kind
• 37:40
  of
• 37:40
  like
• 37:40
  hard
• 37:41
  to
• 37:41
  get
• 37:41
  your
• 37:41
  head
• 37:41
  around.
• 37:41
  But
• 37:42
  I've
• 37:42
  started,
• 37:42
  you
• 37:42
  know,
• 37:42
  easier
• 37:43
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• 37:43
  shares
• 37:44
  is.
• 37:44
  And
• 37:44
  I'm
• 37:45
  just
• 37:45
  putting
• 37:45
  some
• 37:45
  money
• 37:45
  in
• 37:46
  there
• 37:46
  and
• 37:46
  used
• 37:46
  to
• 37:47
  make
• 37:47
  YouTube
• 37:47
  videos.
• 37:47
  And
• 37:48
  so
• 37:48
  I
• 37:48
  did.
• 37:49
  My
• 37:49
  partner
• 37:49
  and
• 37:49
  I
• 37:49
  went
• 37:50
  traveling
• 37:50
  with
• 37:50
  our
• 37:50
  daughter
• 37:50
  when
• 37:51
  she
• 37:51
  was
• 37:51
  two
• 37:51
  and
• 37:51
  we
• 37:51
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• 37:52
  of
• 37:52
  YouTubed
• 37:52
  the
• 37:53
  whole
• 37:53
  thing
• 37:53
  and
• 37:53
  we
• 37:53
  did
• 37:53
  a
• 37:53
  couple
• 37:54
  of,
• 37:54
  you
• 37:54
  know,
• 37:55
  like
• 37:55
  pros
• 37:55
  and
• 37:56
  cons
• 37:56
  of
• 37:56
  living
• 37:56
  in
• 37:56
  New
• 37:56
  Zealand.
• 37:57
  New
• 37:57
  Zealand
• 37:57
  and
• 37:58
  10
• 37:58
  things
• 37:58
  you
• 37:59
  should
• 37:59
  know
• 37:59
  about
• 37:59
  New
• 37:59
  Zealand
• 38:00
  if
• 38:00
  you
• 38:00
  want
• 38:00
  to
• 38:00
  move
• 38:00
  here.
• 38:00
  I
• 38:00
  don't
• 38:01
  know,
• 38:01
  I
• 38:01
  can't
• 38:01
  even
• 38:01
  remember
• 38:01
  they
• 38:01
  are
• 38:02
  now.
• 38:02
  But
• 38:02
  we
• 38:02
  did
• 38:02
  some
• 38:02
  videos
• 38:02
  like
• 38:03
  that
• 38:03
  and
• 38:03
  they
• 38:03
  still
• 38:03
  get
• 38:03
  a
• 38:04
  lot
• 38:04
  of
• 38:04
  views
• 38:04
  every
• 38:04
  month.
• 38:05
  And
• 38:05
  so
• 38:06
  YouTube
• 38:06
  is
• 38:06
  one
• 38:06
  of
• 38:06
  the
• 38:06
  only
• 38:06
  platforms
• 38:07
  that
• 38:07
  will
• 38:07
  keep
• 38:08
  paying
• 38:08
  you,
• 38:09
  you
• 38:09
  know,
• 38:09
  for
• 38:09
  views
• 38:10
  we
• 38:10
  get.
• 38:10
  I
• 38:10
  get
• 38:11
  a
• 38:11
  little
• 38:11
  bit
• 38:11
  of
• 38:11
  income
• 38:11
  every
• 38:12
  month
• 38:12
  from
• 38:12
  the
• 38:13
  views
• 38:13
  from
• 38:14
  YouTube.
• 38:15
  It's
• 38:15
  interesting
• 38:16
  because
• 38:17
  from
• 38:17
  what
• 38:17
  you're
• 38:17
  saying
• 38:18
  it
• 38:18
  sounds
• 38:18
  like
• 38:19
  you
• 38:20
  made
• 38:20
  sure
• 38:20
  you
• 38:20
  had
• 38:20
  some
• 38:21
  financial
• 38:21
  basics
• 38:22
  sorted.
• 38:22
  You
• 38:23
  know,
• 38:23
  things
• 38:23
  like
• 38:23
  the
• 38:24
  selling
• 38:24
  things
• 38:24
  that
• 38:25
  you're
• 38:25
  not
• 38:25
  using,
• 38:26
  getting
• 38:26
  into
• 38:27
  investing,
• 38:27
  treating
• 38:28
  that
• 38:28
  as
• 38:28
  a
• 38:28
  future
• 38:29
  income
• 38:29
  stream.
• 38:30
  Brilliant.
• 38:32
  And
• 38:32
  then
• 38:33
  for
• 38:33
  the,
• 38:33
  the
• 38:34
  business
• 38:34
  side
• 38:34
  of
• 38:34
  things
• 38:34
  and
• 38:34
  building
• 38:35
  the
• 38:35
  sort
• 38:35
  of
• 38:35
  more
• 38:36
  traditional
• 38:36
  business
• 38:36
  income,
• 38:37
  it's
• 38:37
  finding
• 38:38
  a
• 38:39
  pain
• 38:39
  point
• 38:39
  that
• 38:40
  at
• 38:40
  least
• 38:40
  is
• 38:40
  tested
• 38:41
  through
• 38:41
  you,
• 38:41
  you
• 38:42
  know
• 38:42
  that
• 38:42
  you
• 38:43
  have
• 38:43
  that
• 38:43
  pain
• 38:43
  point
• 38:44
  of
• 38:44
  I'm
• 38:45
  a
• 38:45
  mom,
• 38:45
  I'm
• 38:46
  overwhelmed
• 38:47
  I
• 38:47
  want
• 38:48
  this
• 38:48
  to
• 38:48
  be
• 38:48
  made
• 38:48
  a
• 38:49
  little
• 38:49
  bit
• 38:49
  easier.
• 38:49
  And
• 38:50
  then
• 38:50
  you
• 38:50
  found
• 38:50
  threads
• 38:51
  you
• 38:51
  can
• 38:51
  pull
• 38:52
  on
• 38:52
  from
• 38:52
  that
• 38:52
  pain
• 38:53
  point
• 38:53
  across
• 38:54
  different
• 38:54
  places
• 38:55
  where
• 38:55
  it's
• 38:56
  the
• 38:56
  content
• 38:57
  creation
• 38:57
  and
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  working
• 38:58
  with
• 38:58
  brands
• 38:59
  and
• 38:59
  the
• 39:00
  dealing
• 39:00
  directly
• 39:01
  with
• 39:01
  other
• 39:01
  moms
• 39:02
  and
• 39:02
  getting
• 39:02
  that
• 39:02
  subscription
• 39:03
  income
• 39:04
  and
• 39:04
  turning
• 39:05
  that
• 39:05
  one
• 39:05
  pain
• 39:06
  point
• 39:06
  into
• 39:06
  multiple
• 39:07
  business
• 39:08
  avenues.
• 39:09
  And
• 39:09
  I
• 39:09
  think
• 39:09
  that's
• 39:09
  something
• 39:10
  that
• 39:10
  other
• 39:10
  people
• 39:10
  can
• 39:10
  learn
• 39:10
  from
• 39:11
  a
• 39:11
  lot
• 39:11
  is
• 39:11
  like
• 39:12
  financial
• 39:12
  basics
• 39:13
  always
• 39:13
  needed.
• 39:13
  Get
• 39:13
  those
• 39:14
  sorted,
• 39:14
  make
• 39:14
  sure
• 39:14
  those
• 39:15
  are
• 39:15
  locked
• 39:15
  in.
• 39:16
  And
• 39:16
  then
• 39:16
  also
• 39:17
  being
• 39:17
  like,
• 39:18
  what's
• 39:18
  the
• 39:18
  pain
• 39:19
  point
• 39:19
  that
• 39:19
  I'm
• 39:20
  solving?
• 39:21
  And
• 39:21
  just
• 39:21
  because
• 39:22
  it's
• 39:22
  one
• 39:22
  proven
• 39:23
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• 39:23
  point
• 39:24
  doesn't
• 39:24
  mean
• 39:24
  that
• 39:24
  that's
• 39:25
  one
• 39:25
  income
• 39:25
  stream.
• 39:26
  There's
• 39:26
  multiple
• 39:27
  ways
• 39:27
  you
• 39:27
  can
• 39:27
  build
• 39:27
  up
• 39:28
  a
• 39:28
  business
• 39:28
  to
• 39:28
  make
• 39:29
  that
• 39:29
  business
• 39:29
  sort
• 39:30
  of
• 39:30
  stable
• 39:30
  and
• 39:30
  self
• 39:31
  reinforcing.
• 39:32
  Right,
• 39:32
  Totally.
• 39:33
  And
• 39:33
  I
• 39:33
  think
• 39:33
  also
• 39:35
  knowing
• 39:35
  who
• 39:35
  your
• 39:35
  audience
• 39:36
  is.
• 39:36
  So
• 39:36
  for
• 39:36
  me
• 39:36
  with
• 39:37
  Rome,
• 39:37
  like
• 39:37
  primarily
• 39:38
  it's
• 39:38
  mums.
• 39:39
  And
• 39:39
  so
• 39:40
  what
• 39:40
  other
• 39:40
  pain
• 39:40
  points
• 39:40
  do
• 39:41
  mums
• 39:41
  have?
• 39:41
  And
• 39:41
  I
• 39:41
  know
• 39:41
  this
• 39:42
  from
• 39:42
  my
• 39:42
  own
• 39:42
  experience,
• 39:42
  like,
• 39:43
  we
• 39:43
  all
• 39:43
  want
• 39:43
  more
• 39:43
  mum
• 39:43
  friends.
• 39:44
  And
• 39:44
  so
• 39:44
  that's
• 39:44
  where
• 39:45
  the
• 39:45
  idea
• 39:45
  of
• 39:45
  doing
• 39:45
  these
• 39:45
  events
• 39:46
  came
• 39:46
  about
• 39:46
  because
• 39:46
  it
• 39:47
  was
• 39:47
  like,
• 39:47
  how
• 39:48
  can
• 39:48
  I
• 39:48
  help
• 39:48
  facilitate
• 39:49
  people
• 39:51
  being
• 39:51
  able
• 39:52
  to
• 39:52
  make
• 39:52
  friends
• 39:53
  with
• 39:53
  other
• 39:53
  mums
• 39:54
  that
• 39:54
  are
• 39:54
  going
• 39:54
  through
• 39:55
  similar
• 39:55
  life
• 39:55
  experiences?
• 39:56
  And
• 39:57
  I
• 39:57
  think,
• 39:57
  you
• 39:57
  know,
• 39:58
  everybody
• 39:58
  says
• 39:58
  that
• 39:59
  finding
• 39:59
  mum
• 39:59
  friends
• 39:59
  can
• 40:00
  be
• 40:00
  really
• 40:00
  hard
• 40:00
  outside
• 40:01
  of
• 40:02
  you're
• 40:02
  lucky
• 40:02
  if
• 40:02
  you've
• 40:02
  got
• 40:02
  a
• 40:03
  good
• 40:03
  antenatal
• 40:03
  group.
• 40:03
  But
• 40:04
  outside
• 40:04
  of
• 40:04
  that
• 40:05
  it
• 40:05
  is
• 40:05
  really
• 40:05
  difficult,
• 40:06
  especially
• 40:06
  if
• 40:06
  you
• 40:06
  go
• 40:06
  back
• 40:07
  to
• 40:07
  work
• 40:07
  and,
• 40:07
  you
• 40:08
  know,
• 40:08
  maybe
• 40:08
  your
• 40:09
  colleagues
• 40:09
  don't
• 40:09
  have
• 40:09
  kids
• 40:09
  or
• 40:10
  they're
• 40:10
  at
• 40:10
  different
• 40:10
  ages
• 40:11
  to
• 40:11
  yours
• 40:11
  and
• 40:11
  they,
• 40:11
  you
• 40:11
  know,
• 40:12
  can't
• 40:12
  really
• 40:12
  relate.
• 40:12
  And
• 40:13
  so
• 40:13
  it's
• 40:13
  super
• 40:14
  easy
• 40:14
  to
• 40:14
  know
• 40:15
  your
• 40:15
  audience
• 40:15
  when
• 40:15
  you
• 40:15
  are
• 40:15
  your
• 40:16
  audience.
• 40:16
  But
• 40:16
  knowing,
• 40:17
  okay,
• 40:17
  well,
• 40:17
  what
• 40:17
  are
• 40:17
  the
• 40:17
  pain
• 40:17
  points
• 40:18
  I
• 40:18
  have,
• 40:18
  like,
• 40:18
  well,
• 40:18
  I
• 40:19
  need
• 40:19
  to
• 40:20
  find
• 40:20
  things
• 40:20
  to
• 40:20
  do
• 40:20
  with
• 40:20
  my
• 40:20
  kids
• 40:21
  so
• 40:21
  that
• 40:21
  Rome
• 40:22
  fixes
• 40:22
  that
• 40:22
  problem.
• 40:23
  I
• 40:23
  also,
• 40:24
  you
• 40:24
  know,
• 40:24
  I'm
• 40:25
  looking
• 40:25
  for
• 40:25
  mum
• 40:25
  friends
• 40:26
  and
• 40:26
  so
• 40:26
  organizing
• 40:27
  events
• 40:27
  and
• 40:28
  hosting
• 40:28
  events
• 40:29
  and
• 40:29
  things
• 40:29
  that
• 40:29
  solves
• 40:30
  that
• 40:30
  problem.
• 40:31
  You
• 40:31
  have
• 40:32
  far
• 40:32
  more
• 40:32
  guts
• 40:33
  than
• 40:33
  I
• 40:33
  do.
• 40:33
  I
• 40:33
  do
• 40:34
  a
• 40:34
  lot
• 40:34
  of
• 40:34
  events
• 40:34
  in
• 40:34
  terms
• 40:35
  of
• 40:36
  I'll
• 40:36
  do
• 40:36
  speaking
• 40:37
  or
• 40:37
  emceeing
• 40:38
  and
• 40:38
  whatever
• 40:39
  and
• 40:39
  I
• 40:39
  love
• 40:40
  that.
• 40:40
  I
• 40:40
  like
• 40:40
  showing
• 40:41
  up
• 40:41
  to
• 40:41
  the
• 40:41
  event
• 40:41
  and
• 40:42
  doing
• 40:42
  my
• 40:42
  thing
• 40:42
  and
• 40:42
  leaving.
• 40:43
  I
• 40:43
  see
• 40:44
  the
• 40:44
  people
• 40:44
  who
• 40:44
  run
• 40:44
  the
• 40:44
  events.
• 40:45
  It
• 40:45
  looks
• 40:46
  so
• 40:47
  hard,
• 40:47
  so
• 40:48
  stressful.
• 40:49
  Yeah,
• 40:49
  yeah.
• 40:50
  I
• 40:50
  think
• 40:50
  the
• 40:50
  Christmas
• 40:51
  party,
• 40:51
  I
• 40:51
  definitely
• 40:51
  felt
• 40:51
  that
• 40:52
  that
• 40:52
  was
• 40:52
  the
• 40:52
  biggest
• 40:52
  event
• 40:52
  that
• 40:53
  we've.
• 40:53
  It
• 40:53
  was
• 40:53
  80
• 40:53
  people.
• 40:54
  But
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  also
• 40:55
  do
• 40:55
  events
• 40:55
  that
• 40:56
  are.
• 40:56
  So
• 40:57
  as
• 40:57
  an
• 40:57
  example,
• 40:57
  like
• 40:58
  I
• 40:58
  run
• 40:58
  a
• 40:58
  monthly
• 40:58
  mums
• 40:59
  and
• 40:59
  business
• 40:59
  group
• 40:59
  and
• 40:59
  it's
• 41:00
  free
• 41:00
  for
• 41:00
  people
• 41:00
  to
• 41:00
  come
• 41:00
  along
• 41:00
  to.
• 41:01
  It's
• 41:01
  the
• 41:01
  first
• 41:01
  Friday
• 41:01
  of
• 41:02
  The
• 41:02
  month.
• 41:02
  And
• 41:03
  it's
• 41:03
  like
• 41:03
  a
• 41:03
  very,
• 41:04
  I
• 41:04
  guess,
• 41:04
  informal
• 41:05
  networking
• 41:05
  group.
• 41:06
  It's
• 41:06
  not
• 41:06
  even
• 41:06
  really
• 41:07
  for
• 41:07
  networking.
• 41:07
  It's
• 41:07
  more
• 41:08
  just
• 41:08
  like
• 41:08
  these
• 41:08
  are
• 41:08
  other
• 41:08
  people
• 41:09
  in
• 41:09
  the
• 41:09
  same
• 41:09
  position
• 41:09
  as
• 41:10
  you.
• 41:10
  They're
• 41:10
  mums
• 41:10
  and
• 41:10
  they're
• 41:11
  self
• 41:11
  employed.
• 41:11
  So
• 41:11
  they
• 41:11
  understand
• 41:12
  that
• 41:12
  very
• 41:12
  unique
• 41:13
  position
• 41:13
  that
• 41:13
  you're
• 41:13
  in,
• 41:14
  come
• 41:14
  along
• 41:14
  and
• 41:14
  make
• 41:15
  friends.
• 41:15
  And
• 41:15
  then
• 41:15
  we
• 41:15
  have
• 41:15
  from
• 41:16
  that,
• 41:16
  you
• 41:16
  know,
• 41:16
  a
• 41:16
  WhatsApp
• 41:17
  community.
• 41:17
  We
• 41:17
  organize
• 41:17
  like
• 41:18
  a
• 41:18
  monthly
• 41:18
  dinner.
• 41:19
  It's
• 41:19
  as
• 41:19
  now
• 41:20
  we
• 41:20
  do
• 41:20
  like
• 41:20
  an
• 41:20
  online
• 41:20
  session
• 41:21
  a
• 41:21
  month
• 41:21
  each
• 41:21
  month
• 41:22
  where
• 41:22
  we,
• 41:22
  somebody
• 41:23
  hosts
• 41:23
  it
• 41:23
  and
• 41:23
  we
• 41:23
  kind
• 41:23
  of
• 41:23
  like
• 41:23
  learn
• 41:24
  from
• 41:24
  them.
• 41:25
  And
• 41:25
  that's
• 41:25
  been
• 41:25
  running
• 41:26
  for
• 41:27
  18
• 41:27
  months
• 41:27
  or
• 41:28
  two
• 41:28
  years
• 41:28
  or
• 41:28
  something.
• 41:28
  And
• 41:30
  that's
• 41:30
  very,
• 41:31
  very
• 41:31
  low,
• 41:32
  like
• 41:32
  low
• 41:33
  effort
• 41:33
  from
• 41:33
  me.
• 41:33
  I
• 41:33
  would
• 41:34
  say
• 41:34
  the
• 41:34
  mums
• 41:34
  in
• 41:34
  the
• 41:35
  group
• 41:35
  have
• 41:35
  formed
• 41:36
  some
• 41:36
  really
• 41:36
  great
• 41:36
  friendships
• 41:37
  and
• 41:37
  also
• 41:37
  like
• 41:38
  some
• 41:38
  business
• 41:38
  things
• 41:39
  have
• 41:39
  come
• 41:39
  out
• 41:39
  of
• 41:39
  it,
• 41:39
  like
• 41:40
  working
• 41:40
  together
• 41:40
  with
• 41:40
  other
• 41:41
  mums
• 41:41
  and
• 41:41
  stuff,
• 41:41
  which
• 41:41
  has.
• 41:42
  Been
• 41:42
  great
• 41:42
  when
• 41:42
  you
• 41:43
  talk
• 41:43
  to
• 41:43
  other
• 41:43
  moms,
• 41:43
  because
• 41:44
  I
• 41:44
  think
• 41:44
  there
• 41:44
  is
• 41:44
  that
• 41:44
  real
• 41:45
  community
• 41:45
  aspect
• 41:45
  of
• 41:46
  it
• 41:46
  that
• 41:47
  the
• 41:47
  mum
• 41:47
  tribe
• 41:48
  is
• 41:48
  so
• 41:48
  real.
• 41:49
  And
• 41:49
  I've
• 41:49
  found
• 41:50
  a
• 41:50
  lot
• 41:50
  of
• 41:50
  women
• 41:51
  really
• 41:51
  willing
• 41:52
  to
• 41:52
  share
• 41:52
  things
• 41:53
  because
• 41:53
  actually
• 41:53
  suddenly
• 41:54
  you're
• 41:54
  all
• 41:54
  in
• 41:54
  the
• 41:54
  trenches
• 41:55
  together
• 41:55
  and
• 41:56
  you
• 41:56
  know
• 41:56
  how
• 41:56
  hard
• 41:57
  it
• 41:57
  is.
• 41:57
  So
• 41:57
  you
• 41:57
  really
• 41:57
  want
• 41:58
  to
• 41:58
  help
• 41:58
  others
• 41:58
  succeed.
• 41:59
  When
• 41:59
  you're
• 41:59
  talking
• 41:59
  to
• 42:00
  other
• 42:00
  moms,
• 42:00
  you
• 42:00
  know,
• 42:01
  in
• 42:01
  the
• 42:01
  mums
• 42:01
  in
• 42:01
  business
• 42:01
  group,
• 42:02
  is
• 42:02
  there
• 42:03
  anything
• 42:03
  you've
• 42:03
  picked
• 42:04
  up
• 42:04
  in
• 42:04
  those
• 42:04
  conversations
• 42:05
  that
• 42:05
  you
• 42:05
  want
• 42:05
  to
• 42:06
  pass
• 42:06
  on
• 42:06
  to
• 42:06
  other
• 42:06
  moms?
• 42:07
  I
• 42:07
  think
• 42:07
  that
• 42:08
  one
• 42:08
  of
• 42:08
  the
• 42:08
  biggest
• 42:08
  things
• 42:08
  with
• 42:09
  motherhood,
• 42:09
  especially
• 42:09
  when
• 42:09
  you're
• 42:10
  like
• 42:10
  newly
• 42:10
  postpartum
• 42:11
  especially,
• 42:11
  is
• 42:11
  it
• 42:11
  can
• 42:11
  feel
• 42:12
  so
• 42:12
  isolating
• 42:13
  and
• 42:13
  you
• 42:13
  can
• 42:13
  just
• 42:14
  feel
• 42:14
  like,
• 42:15
  why
• 42:15
  is
• 42:15
  this
• 42:15
  so
• 42:15
  hard
• 42:15
  for
• 42:16
  me?
• 42:16
  Other
• 42:16
  people
• 42:16
  make
• 42:16
  it
• 42:17
  look
• 42:17
  so
• 42:17
  easy
• 42:17
  or.
• 42:18
  And
• 42:18
  I
• 42:18
  think
• 42:18
  that's
• 42:19
  the
• 42:19
  trap
• 42:19
  with
• 42:19
  social
• 42:19
  media.
• 42:20
  People
• 42:20
  just
• 42:20
  share
• 42:20
  the
• 42:20
  highlights
• 42:21
  and
• 42:22
  that
• 42:22
  can
• 42:22
  be
• 42:22
  really
• 42:22
  hard.
• 42:23
  And
• 42:23
  I
• 42:23
  think
• 42:23
  knowing
• 42:24
  that
• 42:24
  what
• 42:24
  you're
• 42:25
  going
• 42:25
  through
• 42:25
  is
• 42:26
  not
• 42:26
  a
• 42:26
  unique
• 42:26
  experience.
• 42:27
  I
• 42:27
  don't
• 42:27
  mean
• 42:27
  that
• 42:28
  in
• 42:28
  a
• 42:28
  harsh
• 42:28
  way.
• 42:28
  I
• 42:28
  mean
• 42:28
  that
• 42:29
  hopefully
• 42:29
  is
• 42:29
  a
• 42:29
  comforting
• 42:30
  thing
• 42:30
  that
• 42:30
  other
• 42:31
  people
• 42:31
  are
• 42:31
  also
• 42:32
  feeling
• 42:32
  that.
• 42:33
  You
• 42:33
  know,
• 42:34
  I
• 42:34
  think
• 42:34
  there's
• 42:34
  like
• 42:34
  two
• 42:34
  types
• 42:34
  of
• 42:34
  people
• 42:35
  in
• 42:35
  the
• 42:35
  world.
• 42:35
  There's
• 42:35
  the
• 42:35
  people
• 42:35
  who
• 42:36
  are
• 42:36
  really,
• 42:37
  really
• 42:37
  open
• 42:37
  about
• 42:38
  their
• 42:38
  struggles
• 42:39
  and
• 42:39
  then
• 42:39
  the
• 42:39
  people
• 42:39
  who
• 42:39
  kind
• 42:39
  of
• 42:40
  keep
• 42:40
  them
• 42:40
  more
• 42:40
  to
• 42:40
  themselves.
• 42:41
  And
• 42:41
  I
• 42:41
  think
• 42:41
  that
• 42:41
  sometimes
• 42:42
  the
• 42:42
  people
• 42:42
  who
• 42:42
  are
• 42:42
  really
• 42:42
  open,
• 42:43
  which
• 42:43
  I
• 42:43
  hope
• 42:44
  I
• 42:44
  am,
• 42:44
  like,
• 42:44
  it
• 42:45
  allows
• 42:45
  those
• 42:46
  people
• 42:46
  who
• 42:46
  are
• 42:47
  more
• 42:47
  struggling
• 42:47
  and
• 42:47
  silent
• 42:48
  to
• 42:48
  kind
• 42:48
  of
• 42:49
  join
• 42:49
  those
• 42:49
  conversations
• 42:50
  and
• 42:50
  to
• 42:50
  open
• 42:50
  up
• 42:51
  about
• 42:51
  things.
• 42:52
  But
• 42:52
  I
• 42:52
  think
• 42:52
  just
• 42:52
  knowing
• 42:53
  that,
• 42:53
  you
• 42:53
  know,
• 42:53
  you're
• 42:53
  not
• 42:53
  alone
• 42:54
  and
• 42:54
  it's
• 42:54
  like
• 42:54
  finding
• 42:55
  those
• 42:55
  group
• 42:55
  of
• 42:55
  people,
• 42:56
  if
• 42:56
  you
• 42:56
  can
• 42:56
  find
• 42:56
  a
• 42:57
  group
• 42:57
  of
• 42:57
  people,
• 42:58
  a
• 42:58
  group
• 42:58
  of
• 42:58
  mums
• 42:59
  that
• 42:59
  are
• 42:59
  in
• 42:59
  it
• 42:59
  with
• 43:00
  you.
• 43:00
  It
• 43:00
  makes
• 43:00
  your
• 43:01
  experience
• 43:01
  so
• 43:01
  different.
• 43:02
  And
• 43:02
  I
• 43:02
  think
• 43:03
  for
• 43:03
  me,
• 43:03
  when
• 43:03
  I
• 43:03
  was
• 43:04
  postpartum,
• 43:04
  second
• 43:04
  time,
• 43:05
  I
• 43:05
  was
• 43:05
  postpartum,
• 43:06
  and
• 43:06
  I
• 43:06
  just
• 43:06
  launched
• 43:07
  a
• 43:07
  business.
• 43:07
  And
• 43:08
  so
• 43:08
  the
• 43:08
  group
• 43:08
  of
• 43:08
  moms
• 43:09
  that
• 43:09
  I
• 43:09
  needed
• 43:10
  in
• 43:10
  that
• 43:10
  moment
• 43:10
  was
• 43:11
  the
• 43:11
  mums
• 43:11
  in
• 43:11
  business
• 43:11
  group.
• 43:12
  I
• 43:12
  didn't
• 43:13
  really
• 43:13
  need
• 43:13
  a
• 43:13
  group
• 43:14
  of
• 43:14
  moms
• 43:14
  who
• 43:14
  were
• 43:14
  on
• 43:15
  maternity
• 43:15
  leave
• 43:16
  from
• 43:16
  their
• 43:16
  salary
• 43:17
  job
• 43:17
  and
• 43:18
  they
• 43:18
  had
• 43:18
  just
• 43:18
  all
• 43:18
  the
• 43:19
  time
• 43:19
  in
• 43:19
  the
• 43:19
  world
• 43:19
  because
• 43:19
  they
• 43:19
  were
• 43:20
  on
• 43:20
  maternity
• 43:20
  leave
• 43:20
  and
• 43:21
  they
• 43:21
  could
• 43:21
  go
• 43:21
  and
• 43:21
  do
• 43:21
  these,
• 43:21
  like,
• 43:22
  wonderful,
• 43:22
  you
• 43:22
  know,
• 43:22
  day
• 43:23
  days
• 43:23
  with
• 43:23
  their
• 43:24
  babies
• 43:24
  or
• 43:24
  whatever.
• 43:25
  And
• 43:25
  then
• 43:25
  they
• 43:26
  were
• 43:26
  going
• 43:26
  back
• 43:26
  to
• 43:26
  work
• 43:26
  at
• 43:26
  six
• 43:26
  months.
• 43:27
  We're
• 43:27
  going
• 43:27
  back
• 43:27
  to
• 43:27
  work
• 43:27
  in
• 43:27
  a
• 43:27
  year.
• 43:28
  And,
• 43:29
  you
• 43:29
  know,
• 43:30
  we
• 43:30
  were
• 43:30
  just
• 43:30
  in
• 43:31
  really
• 43:31
  having
• 43:31
  really
• 43:31
  different
• 43:32
  experiences.
• 43:32
  And
• 43:32
  so
• 43:32
  I
• 43:33
  was
• 43:33
  then,
• 43:33
  like,
• 43:34
  I
• 43:34
  will
• 43:35
  create
• 43:35
  this
• 43:35
  mums
• 43:35
  in
• 43:35
  business
• 43:35
  group
• 43:36
  and
• 43:36
  I'll
• 43:36
  find
• 43:36
  this
• 43:36
  group
• 43:37
  of
• 43:37
  moms
• 43:37
  that
• 43:37
  are
• 43:37
  in
• 43:38
  the
• 43:38
  same
• 43:38
  situation
• 43:38
  as
• 43:38
  me.
• 43:39
  And,
• 43:39
  yeah,
• 43:39
  you
• 43:40
  guys
• 43:40
  get
• 43:40
  it.
• 43:40
  You're
• 43:40
  in
• 43:40
  the
• 43:41
  same
• 43:41
  situation
• 43:42
  that
• 43:42
  I'm
• 43:42
  in.
• 43:42
  And
• 43:43
  that's
• 43:43
  why
• 43:43
  it
• 43:43
  kind
• 43:43
  of
• 43:43
  works
• 43:44
  so
• 43:44
  well,
• 43:44
  100%.
• 43:45
  And
• 43:46
  when
• 43:46
  you
• 43:46
  are
• 43:47
  combining
• 43:47
  parenthood
• 43:48
  and
• 43:48
  business
• 43:48
  life,
• 43:49
  is
• 43:49
  there
• 43:49
  anything
• 43:49
  that's
• 43:50
  particularly
• 43:50
  helped
• 43:51
  you?
• 43:51
  Obviously,
• 43:51
  community
• 43:52
  has
• 43:52
  been
• 43:52
  great,
• 43:53
  but
• 43:53
  in
• 43:53
  terms
• 43:54
  of,
• 43:54
  like,
• 43:54
  even
• 43:55
  how
• 43:55
  do
• 43:55
  you
• 43:55
  structure
• 43:55
  your
• 43:56
  day
• 43:56
  or
• 43:57
  how
• 43:57
  you
• 43:58
  get
• 43:59
  everything
• 43:59
  done?
• 44:00
  Because
• 44:00
  the
• 44:00
  list
• 44:00
  is
• 44:00
  never
• 44:01
  ending.
• 44:02
  Business
• 44:02
  and
• 44:02
  parent.
• 44:03
  Yeah.
• 44:03
  So
• 44:04
  how
• 44:04
  do
• 44:04
  you
• 44:04
  combine
• 44:04
  the
• 44:04
  two
• 44:05
  and
• 44:05
  what's
• 44:05
  worked
• 44:05
  for
• 44:05
  you?
• 44:06
  Yeah,
• 44:06
  I
• 44:06
  feel
• 44:07
  like
• 44:07
  I
• 44:07
  have
• 44:07
  to
• 44:07
  give
• 44:07
  a
• 44:07
  massive
• 44:08
  shout
• 44:08
  out
• 44:08
  to
• 44:08
  my.
• 44:08
  Partner
• 44:09
  who
• 44:09
  you
• 44:10
  marry.
• 44:10
  Massively
• 44:11
  important.
• 44:11
  I
• 44:12
  think
• 44:12
  that
• 44:12
  the
• 44:12
  partner
• 44:12
  that
• 44:12
  you
• 44:13
  chose
• 44:13
  is
• 44:13
  the
• 44:13
  biggest,
• 44:14
  like,
• 44:14
  determining
• 44:15
  factor
• 44:15
  of
• 44:15
  your
• 44:16
  success
• 44:16
  in
• 44:16
  your
• 44:16
  life
• 44:16
  and
• 44:16
  your
• 44:17
  happiness
• 44:17
  in
• 44:17
  your
• 44:17
  life.
• 44:18
  And,
• 44:18
  you
• 44:18
  know,
• 44:18
  when
• 44:19
  you're
• 44:19
  young
• 44:19
  and
• 44:19
  you're,
• 44:19
  like,
• 44:19
  dating
• 44:20
  people,
• 44:20
  I
• 44:20
  don't
• 44:20
  think
• 44:20
  you
• 44:21
  really
• 44:21
  think
• 44:21
  about
• 44:21
  it
• 44:22
  in
• 44:22
  that
• 44:22
  way.
• 44:22
  You
• 44:23
  think
• 44:23
  like,
• 44:23
  oh,
• 44:23
  I
• 44:23
  like
• 44:24
  them
• 44:24
  right
• 44:24
  now,
• 44:24
  and
• 44:24
  they're
• 44:24
  really
• 44:24
  great.
• 44:25
  And
• 44:25
  you're
• 44:25
  not
• 44:25
  really
• 44:25
  thinking
• 44:26
  about,
• 44:26
  like,
• 44:27
  is
• 44:27
  this
• 44:27
  person
• 44:27
  going
• 44:28
  to,
• 44:28
  you
• 44:28
  know,
• 44:29
  do
• 44:29
  the
• 44:29
  dishes
• 44:29
  every
• 44:29
  night
• 44:30
  or,
• 44:30
  like,
• 44:30
  you
• 44:30
  know,
• 44:30
  whatever,
• 44:31
  and
• 44:31
  these
• 44:31
  things
• 44:31
  actually
• 44:31
  matter.
• 44:32
  I
• 44:32
  don't
• 44:32
  want
• 44:32
  to
• 44:32
  say
• 44:33
  I'm
• 44:33
  lucky.
• 44:33
  People
• 44:33
  always,
• 44:33
  oh,
• 44:34
  you're
• 44:34
  so
• 44:34
  lucky.
• 44:34
  He
• 44:34
  does
• 44:34
  so
• 44:35
  much.
• 44:35
  And
• 44:35
  I
• 44:35
  really
• 44:36
  hate
• 44:36
  that
• 44:36
  idea
• 44:36
  that
• 44:37
  a
• 44:37
  woman
• 44:37
  is
• 44:37
  lucky
• 44:37
  to
• 44:38
  have
• 44:38
  a
• 44:38
  man
• 44:38
  that's
• 44:38
  just
• 44:38
  an
• 44:39
  equal
• 44:39
  partner.
• 44:40
  But,
• 44:40
  you
• 44:41
  know,
• 44:41
  Josh
• 44:41
  is
• 44:41
  amazing
• 44:42
  and
• 44:42
  he.
• 44:43
  He
• 44:43
  loves
• 44:43
  cooking,
• 44:44
  which
• 44:44
  helps
• 44:44
  because
• 44:44
  he
• 44:45
  does
• 44:45
  all
• 44:45
  the
• 44:45
  cooking
• 44:45
  in
• 44:45
  our
• 44:45
  house.
• 44:46
  And
• 44:46
  so
• 44:46
  because
• 44:46
  he
• 44:47
  does
• 44:47
  all
• 44:47
  the
• 44:47
  cooking,
• 44:47
  he
• 44:47
  does
• 44:48
  all
• 44:48
  the
• 44:48
  shopping.
• 44:49
  And
• 44:49
  so
• 44:49
  that's
• 44:49
  like
• 44:49
  a
• 44:49
  huge
• 44:50
  thing
• 44:50
  that
• 44:50
  he
• 44:50
  takes
• 44:51
  on
• 44:51
  that
• 44:51
  I
• 44:51
  don't
• 44:52
  have
• 44:52
  to
• 44:52
  really
• 44:52
  think
• 44:52
  about.
• 44:53
  Like,
• 44:53
  it's
• 44:53
  this
• 44:53
  morning
• 44:54
  as
• 44:54
  an
• 44:54
  example,
• 44:54
  you
• 44:55
  know,
• 44:55
  I
• 44:55
  was
• 44:55
  getting
• 44:55
  up
• 44:56
  to,
• 44:56
  to
• 44:56
  come
• 44:56
  into
• 44:57
  here.
• 44:57
  And
• 44:57
  so
• 44:57
  I
• 44:57
  was
• 44:57
  leaving
• 44:57
  home
• 44:58
  early
• 44:58
  and
• 44:58
  he
• 44:58
  got
• 44:59
  up,
• 44:59
  he
• 44:59
  got
• 44:59
  both
• 44:59
  the
• 44:59
  kids
• 45:00
  dressed,
• 45:00
  he
• 45:00
  did
• 45:00
  their
• 45:00
  breakfast.
• 45:01
  He
• 45:01
  made
• 45:02
  me
• 45:02
  something
• 45:02
  to
• 45:02
  eat
• 45:02
  that
• 45:02
  I
• 45:03
  could
• 45:03
  grab
• 45:03
  as
• 45:03
  I
• 45:03
  was
• 45:03
  running
• 45:03
  out
• 45:03
  the
• 45:04
  door.
• 45:04
  There
• 45:04
  is
• 45:04
  nothing
• 45:05
  sexier.
• 45:06
  I
• 45:06
  know.
• 45:06
  Nothing
• 45:07
  sexier.
• 45:08
  I
• 45:08
  know.
• 45:08
  Hopefully.
• 45:09
  You
• 45:09
  know,
• 45:09
  I
• 45:09
  hope
• 45:09
  that
• 45:10
  Josh
• 45:10
  would
• 45:10
  say
• 45:10
  that
• 45:10
  it's
• 45:10
  like
• 45:12
  we're
• 45:12
  both
• 45:12
  a
• 45:12
  team
• 45:12
  and
• 45:13
  we
• 45:13
  both
• 45:13
  help
• 45:13
  each
• 45:13
  other.
• 45:13
  And
• 45:14
  when
• 45:14
  he
• 45:14
  has
• 45:14
  stuff
• 45:15
  that
• 45:15
  he
• 45:15
  needs
• 45:15
  to
• 45:15
  go
• 45:15
  out
• 45:15
  to
• 45:16
  where
• 45:16
  he.
• 45:16
  If
• 45:16
  he's
• 45:16
  leaving
• 45:17
  early
• 45:17
  in
• 45:17
  the
• 45:17
  morning
• 45:17
  to
• 45:18
  go
• 45:18
  into
• 45:18
  the
• 45:18
  office
• 45:18
  or
• 45:18
  if
• 45:19
  he's
• 45:19
  got
• 45:19
  his,
• 45:19
  you
• 45:19
  know,
• 45:19
  sports
• 45:20
  in
• 45:20
  the
• 45:20
  evening
• 45:20
  and
• 45:21
  I'm
• 45:21
  carrying
• 45:21
  the
• 45:21
  load
• 45:22
  of
• 45:22
  like
• 45:22
  solo
• 45:22
  bedtime
• 45:23
  or
• 45:23
  something
• 45:23
  else,
• 45:23
  it's
• 45:24
  like
• 45:24
  we're
• 45:24
  both
• 45:25
  helping
• 45:25
  each
• 45:25
  other
• 45:25
  out
• 45:26
  and
• 45:26
  we're
• 45:26
  both
• 45:26
  doing
• 45:27
  what's
• 45:27
  needed.
• 45:27
  And
• 45:28
  I
• 45:28
  think
• 45:28
  the
• 45:28
  best
• 45:29
  thing
• 45:29
  a
• 45:29
  partner
• 45:29
  can
• 45:29
  do
• 45:30
  is
• 45:30
  be
• 45:30
  somebody
• 45:30
  who
• 45:30
  just
• 45:30
  like
• 45:31
  looks
• 45:31
  around
• 45:31
  and
• 45:32
  sees
• 45:32
  what
• 45:32
  needs
• 45:32
  to
• 45:32
  be
• 45:33
  done
• 45:33
  and
• 45:33
  then
• 45:33
  just
• 45:33
  does
• 45:33
  it.
• 45:34
  When
• 45:35
  our
• 45:35
  son,
• 45:35
  his
• 45:35
  name's
• 45:36
  Ocean,
• 45:36
  when
• 45:36
  he
• 45:37
  was
• 45:37
  just
• 45:37
  starting
• 45:37
  to
• 45:38
  eat,
• 45:39
  you
• 45:39
  know,
• 45:39
  starting
• 45:39
  solids
• 45:40
  and
• 45:40
  stuff,
• 45:40
  and
• 45:41
  dining
• 45:41
  area
• 45:42
  was
• 45:42
  like
• 45:42
  carpeted
• 45:43
  in
• 45:43
  our,
• 45:43
  in
• 45:44
  our
• 45:44
  place.
• 45:44
  And
• 45:44
  so.
• 45:45
  I
• 45:45
  know.
• 45:46
  And
• 45:46
  so
• 45:47
  we
• 45:47
  had
• 45:47
  like,
• 45:47
  kind
• 45:47
  of
• 45:47
  like
• 45:48
  a
• 45:48
  rug,
• 45:48
  but
• 45:48
  he
• 45:48
  would
• 45:48
  like
• 45:49
  throw
• 45:49
  things
• 45:49
  and
• 45:49
  things
• 45:49
  would
• 45:49
  drop
• 45:50
  inside
• 45:50
  anyway.
• 45:51
  And
• 45:51
  then
• 45:51
  the
• 45:51
  next
• 45:51
  day
• 45:52
  when
• 45:52
  I
• 45:52
  came
• 45:52
  home,
• 45:53
  Josh
• 45:53
  had
• 45:53
  bought
• 45:53
  this
• 45:54
  like
• 45:54
  plastic
• 45:55
  mat
• 45:55
  from
• 45:55
  the
• 45:56
  sleep
• 45:56
  store
• 45:56
  that
• 45:56
  goes
• 45:56
  underneath
• 45:57
  the
• 45:57
  highchair.
• 45:58
  And
• 45:58
  he
• 45:58
  was
• 45:58
  like,
• 45:58
  oh,
• 45:58
  I
• 45:58
  got
• 45:58
  this
• 45:59
  plastic
• 45:59
  mat
• 45:59
  thing
• 45:59
  and
• 45:59
  it's
• 46:00
  like
• 46:00
  really
• 46:00
  big,
• 46:00
  you
• 46:00
  know,
• 46:01
  catch
• 46:01
  all
• 46:01
  of
• 46:01
  the
• 46:01
  stuff.
• 46:02
  I
• 46:02
  love
• 46:02
  a
• 46:02
  man
• 46:03
  who
• 46:03
  takes
• 46:03
  initiative.
• 46:03
  And
• 46:04
  I
• 46:04
  was
• 46:04
  just
• 46:04
  like,
• 46:04
  that's
• 46:05
  what
• 46:05
  we're
• 46:05
  talking
• 46:05
  about
• 46:05
  when
• 46:06
  we
• 46:06
  say,
• 46:06
  like,
• 46:06
  look
• 46:06
  around
• 46:06
  and
• 46:07
  see
• 46:07
  the
• 46:07
  problems.
• 46:07
  You
• 46:07
  know,
• 46:08
  when
• 46:08
  women
• 46:08
  are
• 46:08
  saying,
• 46:08
  you
• 46:09
  know,
• 46:09
  don't
• 46:10
  ask
• 46:10
  me
• 46:10
  what
• 46:10
  needs
• 46:10
  to
• 46:10
  be
• 46:10
  done,
• 46:11
  they
• 46:11
  don't
• 46:11
  want
• 46:11
  to
• 46:11
  have
• 46:11
  to
• 46:11
  think,
• 46:11
  oh,
• 46:12
  we
• 46:12
  need
• 46:12
  to
• 46:12
  buy
• 46:12
  this
• 46:12
  thing.
• 46:12
  I'm
• 46:13
  going
• 46:13
  to
• 46:13
  ask
• 46:13
  you
• 46:13
  to
• 46:13
  buy
• 46:13
  this
• 46:13
  thing.
• 46:14
  You
• 46:14
  know,
• 46:14
  just
• 46:15
  see
• 46:15
  that
• 46:15
  there's
• 46:15
  a
• 46:15
  problem
• 46:16
  and
• 46:16
  then
• 46:16
  like,
• 46:17
  do
• 46:17
  something
• 46:17
  about
• 46:17
  it.
• 46:17
  Or
• 46:18
  like,
• 46:18
  see
• 46:18
  that
• 46:18
  the
• 46:18
  dishwasher
• 46:19
  needs
• 46:19
  to
• 46:19
  be
• 46:19
  emptied
• 46:19
  and
• 46:19
  they
• 46:19
  just
• 46:19
  empty
• 46:20
  the
• 46:20
  dishwasher
• 46:20
  or
• 46:20
  like.
• 46:21
  But,
• 46:21
  you
• 46:21
  know,
• 46:21
  Josh
• 46:22
  does.
• 46:22
  I
• 46:23
  would
• 46:23
  say
• 46:23
  absolutely.
• 46:23
  I'm
• 46:24
  happy
• 46:24
  to
• 46:24
  admit
• 46:24
  he
• 46:24
  does
• 46:24
  more
• 46:25
  at
• 46:25
  home
• 46:25
  in
• 46:25
  terms
• 46:25
  of
• 46:26
  like,
• 46:26
  domestic
• 46:26
  stuff
• 46:27
  than
• 46:27
  I
• 46:27
  do.
• 46:28
  And
• 46:28
  I
• 46:29
  think
• 46:29
  that
• 46:30
  he's
• 46:30
  also
• 46:31
  so
• 46:32
  supportive
• 46:32
  and
• 46:33
  that
• 46:33
  he
• 46:33
  believes
• 46:34
  in
• 46:34
  me
• 46:34
  and
• 46:34
  he
• 46:34
  believes
• 46:35
  in
• 46:35
  what
• 46:35
  I'm
• 46:35
  trying
• 46:35
  to
• 46:36
  build
• 46:36
  and
• 46:36
  he
• 46:36
  believes
• 46:37
  that.
• 46:37
  He
• 46:38
  always
• 46:38
  jokes
• 46:38
  that
• 46:38
  one
• 46:38
  day
• 46:39
  he'll
• 46:39
  be
• 46:39
  like
• 46:39
  a
• 46:39
  stay
• 46:39
  at
• 46:40
  home
• 46:40
  dad
• 46:40
  or
• 46:40
  a
• 46:40
  house
• 46:40
  husband.
• 46:41
  You
• 46:41
  know,
• 46:41
  he
• 46:42
  really
• 46:42
  believes
• 46:42
  that,
• 46:42
  like
• 46:43
  I.
• 46:43
  In
• 46:44
  what
• 46:44
  I'm
• 46:44
  doing
• 46:44
  and
• 46:44
  in
• 46:44
  me
• 46:45
  as
• 46:45
  a
• 46:45
  person.
• 46:45
  And
• 46:45
  I
• 46:45
  think
• 46:46
  that
• 46:46
  that
• 46:46
  support
• 46:47
  is
• 46:47
  for
• 46:47
  your
• 46:48
  mental
• 46:48
  health
• 46:48
  is
• 46:48
  really
• 46:48
  important.
• 46:49
  But
• 46:49
  like,
• 46:49
  practically
• 46:50
  it
• 46:50
  means
• 46:50
  that
• 46:50
  he's
• 46:51
  happy
• 46:51
  to
• 46:51
  pick
• 46:52
  up
• 46:52
  the
• 46:52
  load
• 46:52
  and
• 46:52
  help
• 46:53
  with
• 46:53
  stuff.
• 46:53
  And
• 46:53
  if
• 46:53
  I've
• 46:54
  got
• 46:54
  like,
• 46:54
  you
• 46:54
  know,
• 46:54
  a
• 46:55
  meeting
• 46:55
  at
• 46:55
  a
• 46:55
  random
• 46:56
  time,
• 46:56
  he's
• 46:56
  happy
• 46:56
  to
• 46:56
  kind
• 46:56
  of
• 46:57
  accommodate
• 46:57
  that
• 46:57
  or
• 46:57
  whatever
• 46:58
  because
• 46:59
  he's
• 46:59
  so
• 46:59
  supportive
• 47:00
  of
• 47:00
  what
• 47:00
  I'm
• 47:00
  doing.
• 47:00
  And
• 47:00
  he
• 47:01
  also
• 47:01
  says,
• 47:02
  I
• 47:03
  get.
• 47:03
  I'd
• 47:03
  like
• 47:03
  to
• 47:03
  think
• 47:03
  that
• 47:04
  even
• 47:04
  if
• 47:04
  he
• 47:04
  didn't
• 47:04
  believe
• 47:04
  that
• 47:04
  it
• 47:05
  would
• 47:05
  become
• 47:05
  something
• 47:05
  big,
• 47:06
  he
• 47:06
  sees
• 47:07
  the
• 47:07
  joy
• 47:07
  that
• 47:07
  I
• 47:08
  get
• 47:08
  from
• 47:09
  working
• 47:09
  and
• 47:10
  from
• 47:10
  this,
• 47:10
  like,
• 47:10
  purpose
• 47:10
  that
• 47:10
  it
• 47:11
  gives
• 47:11
  me
• 47:11
  and
• 47:11
  from,
• 47:12
  you
• 47:12
  know,
• 47:12
  the
• 47:12
  like,
• 47:13
  satisfaction
• 47:13
  I
• 47:14
  get
• 47:14
  from
• 47:14
  like
• 47:14
  organizing
• 47:15
  these
• 47:15
  events
• 47:16
  and
• 47:16
  seeing
• 47:16
  these
• 47:16
  mums
• 47:16
  connecting
• 47:17
  and
• 47:18
  all
• 47:18
  of
• 47:18
  this
• 47:18
  stuff
• 47:19
  that
• 47:19
  he's
• 47:20
  like,
• 47:20
  this
• 47:20
  makes
• 47:20
  you
• 47:20
  happy.
• 47:21
  And
• 47:21
  so
• 47:21
  I
• 47:21
  want
• 47:21
  to
• 47:21
  support
• 47:21
  you
• 47:22
  doing
• 47:22
  that.
• 47:22
  You
• 47:23
  know,
• 47:23
  partners
• 47:23
  need
• 47:24
  to
• 47:24
  kind
• 47:24
  of
• 47:24
  step
• 47:24
  up
• 47:24
  a
• 47:24
  bit
• 47:25
  more.
• 47:25
  Like
• 47:25
  moms
• 47:25
  shouldn't
• 47:26
  be.
• 47:26
  We
• 47:26
  joke
• 47:27
  about
• 47:27
  it
• 47:27
  all
• 47:27
  the
• 47:27
  time,
• 47:27
  like
• 47:27
  how
• 47:27
  much
• 47:28
  mums
• 47:28
  have
• 47:28
  to
• 47:28
  do.
• 47:28
  And
• 47:28
  it's
• 47:29
  like,
• 47:29
  well,
• 47:30
  you
• 47:30
  don't
• 47:30
  have
• 47:30
  to
• 47:30
  do
• 47:30
  it
• 47:30
  all
• 47:31
  yourself.
• 47:31
  I
• 47:31
  don't
• 47:31
  do
• 47:31
  it
• 47:31
  all
• 47:32
  myself.
• 47:32
  And
• 47:32
  also
• 47:33
  we
• 47:33
  have
• 47:33
  a
• 47:33
  nanny
• 47:34
  for
• 47:34
  10
• 47:34
  hours
• 47:35
  a
• 47:35
  week.
• 47:35
  We
• 47:35
  don't
• 47:36
  have
• 47:36
  grandparents
• 47:36
  that
• 47:36
  live
• 47:37
  nearby
• 47:37
  that
• 47:37
  can
• 47:37
  help
• 47:38
  and
• 47:38
  be
• 47:38
  hands
• 47:38
  on.
• 47:38
  We
• 47:39
  don't
• 47:39
  have
• 47:39
  that
• 47:39
  kind
• 47:39
  of
• 47:39
  village.
• 47:40
  And
• 47:40
  so
• 47:40
  investing
• 47:41
  in
• 47:41
  having
• 47:41
  that
• 47:42
  extra
• 47:42
  support
• 47:42
  has
• 47:43
  been
• 47:43
  really
• 47:44
  amazing
• 47:44
  for
• 47:44
  us.
• 47:45
  Our
• 47:45
  kids
• 47:45
  love
• 47:45
  her
• 47:46
  so
• 47:46
  much
• 47:46
  now
• 47:46
  and
• 47:47
  she's
• 47:47
  become
• 47:47
  this
• 47:47
  extension
• 47:48
  of
• 47:48
  our,
• 47:48
  of
• 47:48
  our
• 47:48
  family
• 47:49
  that
• 47:49
  Josh
• 47:50
  and
• 47:50
  I
• 47:50
  are
• 47:50
  trying
• 47:50
  to
• 47:50
  do
• 47:51
  like
• 47:51
  a
• 47:51
  monthly
• 47:51
  date
• 47:51
  afternoon.
• 47:52
  It's
• 47:52
  like
• 47:52
  investing
• 47:53
  in
• 47:53
  our
• 47:53
  relationship.
• 47:54
  And
• 47:54
  I
• 47:54
  say
• 47:54
  to
• 47:54
  Josh
• 47:55
  all
• 47:55
  the
• 47:55
  time,
• 47:55
  it's
• 47:55
  cheaper
• 47:55
  than
• 47:55
  therapy,
• 47:56
  you
• 47:56
  know,
• 47:56
  so
• 47:56
  it's
• 47:57
  like.
• 47:57
  And
• 47:57
  it's
• 47:57
  so
• 47:58
  nice
• 47:58
  just
• 47:58
  to
• 47:58
  spend
• 47:59
  some
• 47:59
  time
• 47:59
  together,
• 47:59
  adult
• 48:00
  time
• 48:00
  without
• 48:00
  the
• 48:01
  kids.
• 48:01
  And
• 48:01
  we
• 48:01
  try
• 48:01
  not
• 48:01
  to
• 48:01
  talk
• 48:02
  about.
• 48:02
  You
• 48:02
  can
• 48:02
  finish
• 48:02
  your
• 48:02
  sentence.
• 48:03
  It's
• 48:03
  so
• 48:04
  good.
• 48:04
  Wow.
• 48:04
  It's
• 48:05
  so
• 48:05
  good.
• 48:05
  It's
• 48:06
  so
• 48:06
  good.
• 48:06
  Yeah.
• 48:07
  Mom,
• 48:08
  Mom,
• 48:08
  Mom.
• 48:09
  What?
• 48:09
  Like,
• 48:10
  they
• 48:10
  don't
• 48:10
  even
• 48:10
  want
• 48:10
  to
• 48:10
  talk
• 48:11
  to
• 48:11
  you
• 48:11
  until
• 48:11
  you're
• 48:12
  having
• 48:12
  an
• 48:12
  adult
• 48:12
  conversation.
• 48:13
  I
• 48:13
  know,
• 48:13
  I
• 48:14
  know.
• 48:14
  And
• 48:14
  like,
• 48:15
  I
• 48:15
  just
• 48:15
  really
• 48:15
  realized
• 48:16
  that
• 48:16
  we
• 48:16
  haven't
• 48:17
  had
• 48:17
  any
• 48:18
  time,
• 48:18
  just
• 48:18
  the
• 48:18
  two
• 48:18
  of
• 48:18
  us
• 48:19
  really,
• 48:19
  since
• 48:20
  like
• 48:20
  becoming
• 48:20
  parents.
• 48:21
  It's
• 48:21
  just
• 48:21
  so
• 48:22
  infrequent.
• 48:22
  It's
• 48:22
  like
• 48:22
  in
• 48:23
  the
• 48:23
  evenings,
• 48:23
  the
• 48:23
  kids
• 48:23
  are
• 48:23
  asleep.
• 48:24
  You're
• 48:24
  so
• 48:24
  tired,
• 48:24
  you
• 48:25
  know,
• 48:25
  I'm
• 48:25
  like,
• 48:25
  he
• 48:25
  tries
• 48:26
  to
• 48:26
  talk
• 48:26
  to
• 48:26
  me.
• 48:26
  I'm
• 48:26
  like,
• 48:26
  don't
• 48:26
  talk
• 48:27
  to
• 48:27
  me.
• 48:27
  Yeah.
• 48:27
  I'm
• 48:28
  so
• 48:28
  tired.
• 48:28
  I
• 48:29
  really
• 48:29
  need
• 48:29
  to
• 48:29
  just
• 48:29
  stare
• 48:29
  at
• 48:29
  a
• 48:30
  wall.
• 48:30
  Yeah.
• 48:31
  I've
• 48:31
  got
• 48:31
  a
• 48:31
  solid
• 48:31
  hour
• 48:32
  of
• 48:32
  wall
• 48:32
  staring
• 48:33
  time
• 48:33
  right
• 48:33
  now.
• 48:33
  Yeah.
• 48:33
  This
• 48:34
  Is
• 48:34
  my
• 48:35
  nobody
• 48:35
  talk
• 48:35
  to
• 48:35
  me.
• 48:36
  Yeah.
• 48:36
  And
• 48:37
  definitely
• 48:37
  don't
• 48:37
  touch
• 48:37
  me.
• 48:38
  Yeah.
• 48:38
  Oh,
• 48:38
  100%.
• 48:39
  I'm
• 48:39
  so
• 48:39
  touched
• 48:39
  out.
• 48:39
  And
• 48:40
  so
• 48:40
  I
• 48:40
  think
• 48:40
  that
• 48:40
  that
• 48:40
  has
• 48:41
  made
• 48:41
  a
• 48:41
  big
• 48:41
  difference
• 48:41
  as
• 48:42
  well.
• 48:42
  I
• 48:43
  feel
• 48:43
  like
• 48:43
  whenever
• 48:43
  people
• 48:43
  ask,
• 48:44
  oh,
• 48:44
  how
• 48:44
  do
• 48:44
  you
• 48:44
  do
• 48:44
  everything?
• 48:45
  It's
• 48:45
  like,
• 48:45
  I
• 48:45
  don't
• 48:45
  do
• 48:46
  everything.
• 48:46
  You
• 48:47
  can
• 48:47
  build
• 48:47
  your
• 48:47
  village
• 48:48
  in
• 48:48
  all
• 48:48
  sorts
• 48:48
  of
• 48:48
  ways,
• 48:49
  but
• 48:49
  I
• 48:49
  don't
• 48:49
  know
• 48:50
  anyone
• 48:50
  who's
• 48:50
  doing
• 48:50
  it
• 48:51
  alone.
• 48:51
  And
• 48:52
  you
• 48:52
  need
• 48:52
  to
• 48:52
  find
• 48:52
  that
• 48:53
  community
• 48:53
  somewhere
• 48:54
  somehow.
• 48:56
  If
• 48:56
  anyone
• 48:56
  is
• 48:56
  listening
• 48:57
  to
• 48:57
  this,
• 48:57
  and
• 48:58
  I
• 48:58
  think
• 48:58
  there's
• 48:59
  probably
• 48:59
  a
• 49:00
  lot
• 49:00
  of
• 49:00
  parents
• 49:00
  who
• 49:00
  are
• 49:00
  listening
• 49:01
  that
• 49:01
  are
• 49:01
  feeling
• 49:01
  quite
• 49:02
  inspired
• 49:02
  in
• 49:02
  terms
• 49:02
  of
• 49:03
  the
• 49:03
  business
• 49:03
  journey
• 49:04
  as
• 49:04
  well
• 49:04
  as
• 49:04
  anything
• 49:04
  else.
• 49:05
  Right.
• 49:06
  Um,
• 49:06
  so
• 49:06
  if
• 49:06
  anyone
• 49:06
  is
• 49:07
  listening
• 49:07
  to
• 49:07
  this
• 49:08
  and
• 49:08
  they
• 49:09
  only
• 49:09
  took
• 49:10
  one
• 49:10
  thing
• 49:11
  from
• 49:11
  it
• 49:12
  to
• 49:12
  help
• 49:12
  them
• 49:13
  build
• 49:13
  something
• 49:14
  bigger,
• 49:14
  better,
• 49:15
  more
• 49:15
  their
• 49:16
  own.
• 49:16
  Yeah.
• 49:16
  What
• 49:17
  do
• 49:17
  you
• 49:17
  hope
• 49:17
  it
• 49:17
  would
• 49:17
  be?
• 49:18
  I
• 49:18
  just
• 49:19
  want
• 49:19
  to
• 49:19
  I
• 49:19
  guess
• 49:19
  say
• 49:20
  that
• 49:20
  like
• 49:20
  I'm
• 49:20
  a
• 49:20
  really.
• 49:21
  And
• 49:22
  I
• 49:22
  don't
• 49:22
  mean
• 49:22
  this
• 49:22
  in
• 49:22
  a
• 49:22
  self
• 49:23
  deprecating
• 49:23
  way,
• 49:23
  but
• 49:23
  like
• 49:23
  I'm
• 49:24
  so
• 49:24
  average,
• 49:24
  you
• 49:25
  know,
• 49:25
  I'm
• 49:25
  just
• 49:25
  such
• 49:25
  an
• 49:25
  average
• 49:26
  person,
• 49:26
  like
• 49:26
  I
• 49:27
  was
• 49:27
  just
• 49:27
  a
• 49:27
  mom,
• 49:28
  like
• 49:28
  posting
• 49:29
  silly
• 49:29
  videos
• 49:29
  on
• 49:30
  the
• 49:30
  Internet.
• 49:30
  I
• 49:31
  am
• 49:31
  just
• 49:31
  like
• 49:31
  such
• 49:31
  a
• 49:31
  normal
• 49:32
  person,
• 49:32
  such
• 49:32
  an
• 49:33
  average
• 49:33
  person.
• 49:33
  There's
• 49:33
  nothing
• 49:34
  really
• 49:35
  different
• 49:35
  to
• 49:35
  me
• 49:35
  than
• 49:35
  to
• 49:36
  anybody
• 49:36
  else.
• 49:37
  And
• 49:37
  so
• 49:37
  if
• 49:37
  I
• 49:38
  can
• 49:38
  start
• 49:38
  a
• 49:38
  business
• 49:39
  and
• 49:39
  I
• 49:39
  can,
• 49:39
  you
• 49:40
  know,
• 49:40
  become
• 49:40
  self
• 49:41
  employed
• 49:41
  and
• 49:42
  the
• 49:42
  things
• 49:42
  that
• 49:42
  I've
• 49:43
  done,
• 49:44
  anybody
• 49:44
  can
• 49:44
  do
• 49:44
  that.
• 49:45
  And
• 49:45
  if
• 49:46
  you
• 49:46
  want
• 49:46
  to
• 49:46
  do
• 49:47
  it,
• 49:47
  just
• 49:47
  do
• 49:48
  it.
• 49:48
  Just
• 49:48
  try.
• 49:49
  You
• 49:49
  have
• 49:49
  nothing
• 49:49
  to
• 49:49
  lose.
• 49:50
  Especially
• 49:50
  if
• 49:50
  you're
• 49:50
  going
• 49:50
  for
• 49:50
  something
• 49:51
  that's
• 49:51
  like
• 49:51
  a
• 49:51
  low
• 49:51
  cost
• 49:51
  option
• 49:52
  to
• 49:52
  begin
• 49:52
  with
• 49:52
  and
• 49:52
  you're
• 49:52
  just
• 49:52
  investing
• 49:53
  your
• 49:53
  time
• 49:53
  into
• 49:53
  it.
• 49:54
  And
• 49:54
  I
• 49:54
  think
• 49:54
  so
• 49:54
  many
• 49:54
  people
• 49:54
  are
• 49:55
  just
• 49:55
  afraid
• 49:55
  of
• 49:56
  failure
• 49:56
  and
• 49:57
  it's
• 49:57
  like,
• 49:57
  don't
• 49:57
  be
• 49:58
  afraid
• 49:58
  of
• 49:58
  failure.
• 49:58
  Be
• 49:59
  afraid
• 49:59
  of
• 49:59
  like
• 49:59
  looking
• 50:00
  back
• 50:00
  on
• 50:00
  your
• 50:00
  life
• 50:00
  and
• 50:00
  being
• 50:00
  like,
• 50:01
  oh,
• 50:01
  which
• 50:01
  I'd
• 50:01
  started
• 50:01
  that
• 50:02
  business
• 50:02
  idea
• 50:02
  that
• 50:02
  I
• 50:02
  had.
• 50:03
  There's
• 50:03
  this
• 50:03
  like
• 50:04
  saying
• 50:04
  that's
• 50:04
  like
• 50:05
  embarrassment
• 50:05
  is
• 50:05
  the
• 50:06
  cost
• 50:06
  of
• 50:06
  entry
• 50:06
  or
• 50:06
  something.
• 50:07
  And
• 50:07
  it's
• 50:07
  like
• 50:07
  you
• 50:08
  do
• 50:08
  have
• 50:08
  to
• 50:08
  be
• 50:08
  embarrassed.
• 50:09
  You
• 50:09
  have
• 50:09
  to
• 50:09
  put
• 50:09
  yourself
• 50:09
  out
• 50:09
  there
• 50:09
  and
• 50:10
  you
• 50:10
  have
• 50:10
  to
• 50:10
  say
• 50:10
  to
• 50:10
  people
• 50:10
  like,
• 50:10
  yeah,
• 50:11
  I'm
• 50:11
  starting
• 50:11
  a
• 50:11
  business
• 50:11
  and
• 50:11
  doing
• 50:12
  this
• 50:12
  thing
• 50:12
  and
• 50:12
  people
• 50:12
  judge
• 50:13
  you
• 50:13
  and
• 50:13
  people,
• 50:14
  you
• 50:14
  know,
• 50:14
  be
• 50:15
  like,
• 50:15
  oh,
• 50:15
  okay,
• 50:16
  cool.
• 50:17
  And
• 50:17
  it's
• 50:17
  like
• 50:17
  it
• 50:18
  will
• 50:18
  be
• 50:18
  embarrassing
• 50:19
  until
• 50:19
  it's
• 50:19
  not.
• 50:20
  And
• 50:21
  you
• 50:21
  know,
• 50:21
  if
• 50:21
  you
• 50:21
  look
• 50:21
  at
• 50:21
  anybody
• 50:22
  who's
• 50:22
  like
• 50:22
  really
• 50:22
  successful,
• 50:23
  like
• 50:23
  they're
• 50:24
  never
• 50:24
  going
• 50:24
  to
• 50:24
  judge
• 50:24
  you
• 50:25
  because
• 50:25
  they
• 50:25
  were
• 50:26
  at
• 50:26
  that
• 50:26
  beginning
• 50:26
  stage
• 50:27
  as
• 50:27
  well.
• 50:27
  I
• 50:27
  think
• 50:28
  exactly
• 50:28
  what
• 50:28
  you're
• 50:28
  saying
• 50:28
  there.
• 50:29
  I've
• 50:30
  maybe
• 50:31
  once
• 50:31
  or
• 50:31
  twice
• 50:32
  and
• 50:32
  I
• 50:32
  talk
• 50:33
  to
• 50:33
  a
• 50:33
  lot
• 50:33
  of
• 50:33
  people
• 50:33
  like
• 50:34
  my
• 50:34
  whole
• 50:34
  job
• 50:34
  is
• 50:35
  talking
• 50:35
  To
• 50:35
  a
• 50:35
  lot
• 50:35
  of
• 50:35
  people,
• 50:37
  once
• 50:38
  or
• 50:38
  twice
• 50:38
  have
• 50:38
  had
• 50:39
  something,
• 50:39
  you
• 50:39
  know,
• 50:40
  a
• 50:40
  little
• 50:40
  bit
• 50:40
  of
• 50:40
  judgment
• 50:41
  from
• 50:41
  above.
• 50:42
  Almost
• 50:42
  always
• 50:43
  anyone
• 50:43
  who's
• 50:43
  at
• 50:43
  a
• 50:44
  level
• 50:44
  above
• 50:44
  me
• 50:45
  is
• 50:45
  so
• 50:45
  excited,
• 50:46
  is
• 50:46
  so
• 50:47
  interested,
• 50:47
  is
• 50:48
  so
• 50:48
  keen,
• 50:48
  they
• 50:48
  want
• 50:48
  to
• 50:49
  help.
• 50:49
  They
• 50:49
  love
• 50:49
  seeing
• 50:50
  someone
• 50:50
  try
• 50:51
  something,
• 50:51
  even
• 50:52
  if
• 50:52
  they're
• 50:52
  like,
• 50:53
  interesting
• 50:53
  strategy.
• 50:54
  I
• 50:54
  would
• 50:54
  maybe
• 50:54
  try
• 50:54
  it
• 50:55
  this
• 50:55
  way,
• 50:55
  you
• 50:55
  know,
• 50:55
  they
• 50:56
  might
• 50:56
  have
• 50:56
  thoughts
• 50:56
  and
• 50:56
  feedback,
• 50:57
  but
• 50:57
  I've
• 50:57
  never
• 50:58
  had
• 50:58
  judgment
• 50:59
  or
• 50:59
  anyone
• 51:00
  thinking
• 51:00
  I'm
• 51:00
  a
• 51:00
  bit
• 51:00
  cringe
• 51:01
  from
• 51:01
  someone
• 51:01
  above
• 51:02
  me,
• 51:03
  you
• 51:03
  know.
• 51:03
  And
• 51:04
  so
• 51:04
  it's
• 51:04
  often
• 51:04
  those
• 51:05
  people
• 51:05
  who
• 51:06
  would
• 51:06
  love
• 51:07
  to
• 51:07
  try
• 51:07
  something
• 51:07
  but
• 51:08
  are
• 51:08
  scared
• 51:08
  of
• 51:08
  it,
• 51:09
  projecting
• 51:10
  that
• 51:10
  fear
• 51:10
  onto
• 51:11
  you.
• 51:11
  And
• 51:12
  I
• 51:12
  think
• 51:12
  you
• 51:12
  can't
• 51:12
  let
• 51:12
  other
• 51:13
  people's
• 51:13
  fears
• 51:13
  hold
• 51:13
  you
• 51:13
  back.
• 51:14
  Oh,
• 51:14
  absolutely.
• 51:15
  I
• 51:15
  think
• 51:15
  the
• 51:15
  other
• 51:16
  thing
• 51:16
  that,
• 51:16
  you
• 51:17
  know,
• 51:17
  this
• 51:17
  is
• 51:17
  turning
• 51:17
  into
• 51:17
  more
• 51:18
  than
• 51:18
  one
• 51:18
  piece
• 51:18
  of
• 51:18
  advice.
• 51:18
  But
• 51:18
  like,
• 51:19
  try
• 51:19
  and
• 51:19
  be
• 51:19
  the
• 51:19
  dumbest
• 51:19
  person
• 51:20
  in
• 51:20
  the
• 51:20
  room.
• 51:20
  Yes.
• 51:21
  And
• 51:21
  to
• 51:21
  put
• 51:21
  yourselves
• 51:21
  in
• 51:22
  rooms
• 51:22
  with
• 51:22
  people
• 51:22
  that
• 51:23
  you're
• 51:23
  aspiring
• 51:23
  to
• 51:23
  be
• 51:23
  like,
• 51:24
  and
• 51:25
  it's
• 51:25
  like
• 51:25
  that,
• 51:26
  you
• 51:26
  know,
• 51:26
  it's
• 51:27
  like
• 51:27
  so
• 51:27
  random.
• 51:27
  But
• 51:27
  you
• 51:28
  know,
• 51:28
  they
• 51:28
  say
• 51:28
  like,
• 51:28
  if
• 51:28
  there's
• 51:29
  a
• 51:29
  sick
• 51:29
  dog
• 51:29
  and
• 51:29
  they
• 51:29
  put
• 51:29
  them
• 51:30
  into
• 51:30
  a
• 51:30
  healthy
• 51:30
  pack,
• 51:30
  that
• 51:30
  sick
• 51:31
  dog
• 51:31
  becomes
• 51:31
  healthy.
• 51:32
  And
• 51:32
  if
• 51:32
  there's
• 51:33
  a
• 51:33
  healthy
• 51:33
  dog
• 51:33
  and
• 51:33
  they
• 51:33
  put
• 51:33
  it
• 51:34
  into
• 51:34
  a
• 51:34
  sick
• 51:34
  pack,
• 51:34
  that
• 51:35
  dog
• 51:35
  becomes
• 51:35
  sick.
• 51:35
  And
• 51:36
  so
• 51:36
  it's
• 51:36
  like
• 51:37
  if
• 51:38
  you
• 51:38
  put
• 51:38
  yourself
• 51:38
  into
• 51:38
  rooms
• 51:39
  with
• 51:39
  people
• 51:39
  who
• 51:39
  are
• 51:40
  where
• 51:40
  you
• 51:40
  want
• 51:41
  to
• 51:41
  be
• 51:41
  and
• 51:42
  who
• 51:42
  are
• 51:42
  doing
• 51:43
  things
• 51:43
  that
• 51:43
  you
• 51:43
  want
• 51:43
  to
• 51:43
  do,
• 51:44
  it's
• 51:44
  like
• 51:44
  it
• 51:44
  rubs
• 51:44
  off
• 51:45
  on
• 51:45
  you
• 51:45
  and
• 51:45
  you
• 51:45
  start
• 51:45
  to
• 51:46
  believe,
• 51:46
  like
• 51:47
  my
• 51:47
  aspirations
• 51:48
  have
• 51:48
  got
• 51:48
  so
• 51:48
  much
• 51:48
  bigger
• 51:49
  since
• 51:49
  being
• 51:50
  in
• 51:50
  these
• 51:50
  rooms
• 51:50
  with
• 51:50
  people
• 51:51
  doing
• 51:51
  more
• 51:51
  than
• 51:51
  I'm
• 51:51
  doing.
• 51:52
  And
• 51:52
  I
• 51:53
  think,
• 51:54
  you
• 51:54
  know,
• 51:55
  there's
• 51:56
  nothing
• 51:56
  wrong
• 51:56
  with
• 51:56
  not
• 51:56
  having
• 51:57
  goals
• 51:57
  or
• 51:57
  not
• 51:57
  like
• 51:58
  wanting
• 51:58
  to
• 51:58
  start
• 51:58
  a
• 51:58
  business.
• 51:59
  Like
• 51:59
  if
• 51:59
  you
• 51:59
  want
• 51:59
  to
• 51:59
  be
• 52:00
  in
• 52:00
  a
• 52:00
  stable
• 52:01
  salary
• 52:01
  job
• 52:02
  and
• 52:02
  you
• 52:02
  don't
• 52:02
  want
• 52:02
  to
• 52:03
  start
• 52:03
  a
• 52:03
  business,
• 52:03
  I
• 52:03
  totally
• 52:04
  get
• 52:04
  that
• 52:04
  because
• 52:04
  it's,
• 52:05
  you
• 52:05
  know,
• 52:05
  it's
• 52:05
  so
• 52:05
  stressful
• 52:05
  starting
• 52:06
  business.
• 52:06
  Like,
• 52:06
  why
• 52:06
  would
• 52:06
  you.
• 52:07
  But
• 52:07
  you
• 52:08
  know,
• 52:08
  there's
• 52:08
  no
• 52:08
  shame
• 52:09
  in
• 52:09
  also
• 52:09
  taking
• 52:09
  that
• 52:10
  path.
• 52:10
  But
• 52:10
  I
• 52:11
  think
• 52:11
  if
• 52:11
  you're,
• 52:11
  if
• 52:12
  you're
• 52:12
  wanting
• 52:12
  to
• 52:12
  start
• 52:12
  a
• 52:13
  business
• 52:13
  and
• 52:13
  all
• 52:13
  of
• 52:13
  your
• 52:14
  friends
• 52:14
  around
• 52:14
  you
• 52:14
  are
• 52:15
  in
• 52:15
  paid
• 52:15
  employment
• 52:16
  and
• 52:16
  in
• 52:17
  like,
• 52:17
  you
• 52:17
  know,
• 52:18
  stable
• 52:18
  salary
• 52:19
  jobs.
• 52:20
  Yeah.
• 52:20
  Like
• 52:21
  you're
• 52:21
  probably
• 52:21
  not
• 52:22
  going
• 52:22
  to
• 52:22
  take
• 52:22
  that
• 52:22
  leap
• 52:23
  to
• 52:23
  start
• 52:23
  your
• 52:23
  own
• 52:24
  business
• 52:24
  when
• 52:24
  you're
• 52:24
  surrounded
• 52:25
  by
• 52:25
  nobody
• 52:25
  else
• 52:25
  that's
• 52:25
  doing
• 52:26
  it.
• 52:26
  So
• 52:26
  if
• 52:26
  you
• 52:27
  want
• 52:27
  to
• 52:27
  start
• 52:27
  your
• 52:27
  own
• 52:27
  business,
• 52:28
  start
• 52:28
  hanging
• 52:28
  out
• 52:28
  with
• 52:29
  more
• 52:29
  people
• 52:29
  who
• 52:29
  are
• 52:29
  self
• 52:29
  employed,
• 52:30
  Start
• 52:30
  hanging
• 52:30
  out
• 52:30
  in
• 52:31
  rooms
• 52:31
  with
• 52:31
  people
• 52:31
  who
• 52:32
  are
• 52:32
  running
• 52:32
  their
• 52:32
  own
• 52:33
  businesses.
• 52:33
  There
• 52:33
  are
• 52:33
  so
• 52:33
  many
• 52:34
  networking
• 52:34
  events
• 52:34
  that
• 52:34
  you
• 52:35
  can
• 52:35
  go
• 52:35
  to.
• 52:35
  There
• 52:35
  are
• 52:35
  like
• 52:36
  so
• 52:36
  many
• 52:36
  groups
• 52:37
  out
• 52:37
  there.
• 52:37
  There
• 52:37
  are,
• 52:38
  you
• 52:38
  know,
• 52:38
  there's
• 52:38
  so
• 52:38
  much
• 52:38
  going
• 52:39
  on.
• 52:39
  And
• 52:39
  so
• 52:40
  put
• 52:40
  yourselves
• 52:40
  in
• 52:41
  those.
• 52:41
  Even
• 52:41
  if
• 52:41
  it's
• 52:42
  uncomfortable,
• 52:42
  even
• 52:42
  if
• 52:42
  you
• 52:43
  haven't
• 52:43
  started
• 52:43
  yet,
• 52:43
  even
• 52:43
  if
• 52:43
  you
• 52:44
  just
• 52:44
  have
• 52:44
  an
• 52:44
  idea,
• 52:45
  just
• 52:45
  go
• 52:45
  and
• 52:45
  like.
• 52:46
  It's
• 52:46
  like
• 52:46
  what
• 52:47
  osmosis
• 52:47
  is
• 52:47
  that.
• 52:48
  It's
• 52:48
  like,
• 52:48
  just
• 52:48
  go
• 52:49
  and
• 52:49
  absorb,
• 52:49
  like,
• 52:50
  their
• 52:50
  energy
• 52:50
  and
• 52:51
  just
• 52:51
  be
• 52:51
  like,
• 52:51
  yes,
• 52:51
  I
• 52:52
  can
• 52:52
  do
• 52:52
  this
• 52:52
  too.
• 52:53
  I
• 52:53
  can.
• 52:53
  I
• 52:53
  can,
• 52:53
  like,
• 52:54
  succeed
• 52:55
  that
• 52:56
  so
• 52:56
  much.
• 52:56
  All
• 52:57
  right,
• 52:57
  well,
• 52:57
  if
• 52:57
  people
• 52:57
  are
• 52:57
  wanting
• 52:58
  to,
• 52:58
  whether
• 52:59
  it's
• 52:59
  physically
• 53:00
  or
• 53:00
  just
• 53:00
  online,
• 53:01
  but
• 53:01
  get
• 53:01
  into
• 53:01
  a
• 53:01
  room
• 53:02
  with
• 53:02
  you,
• 53:02
  where
• 53:03
  can
• 53:03
  they
• 53:03
  find
• 53:03
  you,
• 53:04
  your
• 53:04
  app
• 53:04
  or
• 53:05
  your
• 53:05
  glorious
• 53:06
  materials?
• 53:06
  So
• 53:07
  Roam
• 53:07
  is
• 53:08
  on
• 53:08
  Instagram
• 53:08
  and
• 53:09
  Facebook.
• 53:09
  Rome
• 53:09
  with
• 53:09
  kids.
• 53:10
  R
• 53:10
  O
• 53:10
  A
• 53:11
  M
• 53:11
  Rome.
• 53:12
  And
• 53:12
  the
• 53:13
  app
• 53:13
  is
• 53:13
  in
• 53:13
  the
• 53:13
  app
• 53:13
  Store.
• 53:14
  And
• 53:15
  if
• 53:15
  you're
• 53:15
  wanting
• 53:15
  to
• 53:15
  connect
• 53:16
  with
• 53:16
  me
• 53:16
  personally
• 53:17
  outside
• 53:17
  of
• 53:17
  Roam,
• 53:18
  I'm
• 53:18
  renata
• 53:18
  roaming
• 53:19
  on
• 53:19
  TikTok
• 53:20
  and
• 53:20
  Instagram.
• 53:21
  If
• 53:21
  you
• 53:21
  want
• 53:22
  to
• 53:22
  come
• 53:22
  to
• 53:22
  our
• 53:22
  monthly
• 53:22
  mums
• 53:23
  and
• 53:23
  business
• 53:23
  group,
• 53:23
  we
• 53:24
  meet
• 53:24
  the
• 53:24
  first
• 53:24
  Friday
• 53:24
  of
• 53:24
  the
• 53:24
  month.
• 53:25
  Happy
• 53:25
  to
• 53:25
  just
• 53:25
  DM
• 53:26
  me
• 53:26
  and
• 53:26
  I'll
• 53:26
  send
• 53:26
  you
• 53:26
  the
• 53:27
  details.
• 53:27
  Love
• 53:27
  it.
• 53:28
  And
• 53:28
  everyone
• 53:28
  should
• 53:28
  follow
• 53:28
  you
• 53:28
  and
• 53:29
  your
• 53:29
  glorious
• 53:29
  content.
• 53:30
  It's
• 53:30
  so
• 53:30
  good.
• 53:30
  Renata,
• 53:31
  thank
• 53:31
  you
• 53:31
  so
• 53:32
  much
• 53:32
  for
• 53:32
  coming
• 53:32
  on
• 53:32
  and
• 53:33
  sharing
• 53:33
  all
• 53:33
  of
• 53:33
  the
• 53:33
  wonderful
• 53:33
  things
• 53:34
  you
• 53:34
  learned.
• 53:34
  I'm
• 53:34
  feeling
• 53:35
  really
• 53:35
  inspired,
• 53:35
  so
• 53:36
  I
• 53:36
  imagine
• 53:36
  everyone
• 53:36
  else,
• 53:36
  oh,
• 53:37
  I
• 53:37
  hope
• 53:37
  so.
• 53:38
  I
• 53:38
  always
• 53:38
  think,
• 53:39
  like,
• 53:39
  you
• 53:39
  can't
• 53:39
  be
• 53:39
  what
• 53:39
  you
• 53:39
  can't
• 53:40
  see,
• 53:40
  you
• 53:40
  know?
• 53:41
  So
• 53:41
  I
• 53:41
  hope
• 53:41
  that
• 53:41
  I
• 53:41
  can
• 53:42
  show
• 53:42
  other
• 53:42
  mums
• 53:42
  that
• 53:43
  they
• 53:43
  can
• 53:43
  do
• 53:43
  it
• 53:43
  too.
• 53:43
  100%.
• 53:44
  100%.
• 53:45
  Now,
• 53:46
  if
• 53:46
  this
• 53:46
  episode
• 53:46
  was
• 53:46
  helpful
• 53:47
  to
• 53:47
  you,
• 53:47
  then
• 53:47
  of
• 53:47
  course,
• 53:48
  share
• 53:48
  it
• 53:48
  with
• 53:48
  a
• 53:48
  friend.
• 53:48
  We
• 53:49
  can
• 53:49
  all
• 53:49
  level
• 53:49
  up
• 53:49
  together.
• 53:49
  Until
• 53:50
  next
• 53:50
  time,
• 53:50
  have
• 53:50
  a
• 53:51
  great
• 53:51
  day.
• 53:53
  This
• 53:53
  podcast
• 53:54
  can
• 53:54
  only
• 53:54
  give
• 53:54
  you
• 53:54
  general
• 53:55
  information
• 53:55
  about
• 53:55
  how
• 53:56
  things
• 53:56
  work
• 53:56
  in
• 53:57
  most
• 53:57
  situations.
• 53:58
  It's
• 53:58
  not
• 53:59
  individual
• 53:59
  financial
• 54:00
  advice.
• 54:00
  If
• 54:01
  you're
• 54:01
  after
• 54:01
  that,
• 54:02
  a
• 54:02
  financial
• 54:02
  advisor
• 54:03
  is
• 54:03
  always
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• 54:04
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  bet.