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Barry Hornstein: Portland Car Bombing · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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Then just two days later, Jack's girlfriend's mom happens to be on the phone with the detective
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as she's sorting the family's mail.
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And suddenly she says, "Oh my god."
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Which is never a great sign.
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Unless it's like, "Oh my god, look, someone sent us like a shitload of money."
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Oh my god, look at that fruit basket!
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[Music]
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Hi Cassie.
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Hi Caitlyn.
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Hi creepy people.
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Hello!
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, paranormal and all things.
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Creepy or spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
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We do a tarot reading at the end for deeper insight into the episodes, so make sure you stick around if you're into that.
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They should be.
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By now, it's a must-listen.
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Haven't we converted them?
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I hope so.
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Yeah.
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All right Cassie, are you ready?
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Sure, yeah, I'm ready.
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I don't think you are, but I guess we'll find out.
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I don't know, you made the room all spooky and red, so it kind of feels like my vibe.
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Yeah, totally.
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On Wednesday, September 27th, 2000, Barry Hornstein was at his family home in Laurelhurst.
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Do you know where Laurelhurst is?
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Is that a town or an area?
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It's a neighborhood in Portland.
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Yeah, okay.
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At the time, he was recently separated from his wife, Kathy, though they'd been married for roughly 20 years.
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That's a long time.
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Well, you might want to earmark that for later.
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Okay.
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You might get a little bit of an explanation as to why.
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Okay.
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The couple's 17-year-old son, Jack, had already left for school at about 8 a.m. that morning.
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Then later, at around 10 a.m., Barry left his home for the workday without a care in the world,
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nor an enemy to point to in the world seemingly.
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Oh, it's like this is sounding really great.
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I know.
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So wholesome.
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Besides the separation part.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, some ups and downs.
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Got no care in the world.
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That sounds nice.
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I know.
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What's that like?
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Barry was already in his car with his briefcase ready to leave for work when he spotted something strange.
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It was a cylindrical object wrapped in black tape.
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Okay.
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A cylindrical object.
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Okay.
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I don't want to say what I'm thinking, but.
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Rather than touch the item, he opted to sort of prod it, giving it a little kick.
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It was an odd decision that likely spared his life.
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Oh, shit.
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Barry described looking down to see that there was a large amount of blood coming from his leg through his shredded pants.
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Okay.
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At 10.19 a.m. Barry's Laurelhurst neighbors heard a boom.
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I don't like that.
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It was Jeff Dixon that called 911 after he saw his neighbor lying injured near his vehicle.
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Richard Price, who lived just a few houses down on a nearby corner, said he was in the shower when he heard the explosion.
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That would be scary.
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What the fuck is that?
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Fireworks?
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That's what I would think.
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I don't think you would have thought this was fireworks.
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They're a little too close.
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They're a little too close, and it's definitely a different booming sound from what I gather.
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It was a big boom, and I'm pretty deaf, he said.
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So this is someone who already doesn't have great hearing, and he's in a running shower, and he'll heard it.
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Yeah.
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No word on the name of the other terrified resident in the Price Household, but I thought it was important to note that his puppy was not amused.
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Extremely frightened, in fact, from the sounds of it.
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No, he didn't have a thunder shirt.
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No, I don't think they were expecting thunder at that point.
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Hundreds of feet away, chunks of pipe landed on the Laurel-Hurst Elementary School lawn.
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Oh, God, it was close to a school.
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Yeah, this is a residential neighborhood.
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A fairly upscale one at that, so dang.
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Yeah.
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One neighbor reported a piece of flying shrapnel that came through a window of their home, which is kind of horrifying.
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The bomb was far more sophisticated than was typical of an average pipe bomb.
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It had an electronic battery to assist in detonation, and there were ball bearings inside the pipe.
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Oh, God.
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Why did they put things in the bombs?
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I don't like it. It's already a bomb.
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They do that because it makes it far more deadly.
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I know, but I don't like it.
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It was clearly intended to be fatal, but no forensic evidence was found on the bomb remnants that were collected from the crime scene.
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Wouldn't it just burn all up?
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I mean, not necessarily.
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There are still like bits and shards and things that fly in all directions out from the blast.
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Back to Barry.
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Barry. The bones in his lower right leg were shattered.
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And there was widespread tissue loss.
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In the hospital, days from a combination of drugs, he was administered, as well as, I'm sure, a fair bit of shock.
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Barry was informed that he was being taken into surgery for an emergency amputation of part of his leg.
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Jesus, that's awful.
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Yeah.
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Which I have to say, though, it makes the question at the point of amputation.
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Are there situations that it's not an emergency?
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I mean, I assume we're not doing that casually.
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I mean, sometimes I have to amputate because of diabetes or whatever.
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It's like an emergency, but not like.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's the only thing that I could think of as well.
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That's the only thing.
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Or if someone had a slow moving infection or possibly.
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You guys let us know.
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Yeah.
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So then I started to wonder.
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Would emergency surgery to amputate his leg have been better phrasing?
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In any case, he would undergo life-saving surgery, amputating his leg below the knee.
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The investigator showed up to talk to him even before Barry went into surgery,
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because there was a little bit of concern as to whether or not he would survive.
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Oh, geez.
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But Barry woke up after his surgery at Legacy Emanuel to quite a start.
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The gaunt vaguely, I'm going to say spooky, man.
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In all black, left him concerned that he had come face to face with the grim reaper.
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Oh, was it a priest?
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No.
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In truth, it was Portland Police Detective William Law.
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That makes sense, but law, really?
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Wow.
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If you're going into law enforcement, I'm hard pressed to think of a better name.
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I feel like if you have the last name law, you have to be a police officer or like a lawyer or something.
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Pretty much.
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Like those are your options.
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Figure it out.
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Sorry.
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Pick a lane.
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He told the detective that he couldn't think of anyone who'd want to harm him or his family.
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Yeah, because he like didn't have a care in the world.
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Everyone loved me.
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Didn't have an enemy.
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I got my briefcase.
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I'm going to my real job.
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Yep.
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That's all I thought about when you said briefcase, I was like, this man has a real job.
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That is a real ass job.
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I'm going to start bringing in a briefcase over here.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I think that'd be good.
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I feel good about that.
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Legitimize this.
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I'm going to go to Goodwill and find one.
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You know what?
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It's a tax right off.
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Go to fucking Louis Vuitton.
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We need that company credit card first.
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That is exactly why we will not be issued a company credit card.
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Barry was a 59 year old Jewish Portland native and actually a lifelong resident who had graduated
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from Lincoln High.
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Oh, I know.
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Just a local guy.
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Portlandian.
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Portlandian.
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He had attended classes and played football with Michael Schrunk.
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Are we supposed to know who that is?
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I mean, probably not.
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This is a long time ago and it's not like he was the president.
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He was then the Multnomah County District Attorney.
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Oh.
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So, probably not a bad friend to have.
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No.
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The BADA.
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Mm-hmm.
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Badass.
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I like that.
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District Attorney.
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Uh.
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Okay.
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Woo!
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Woo!
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At the time, he worked as an insurance agent primarily handling clients in the restaurant industry.
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So that's what Barry did with his totally real, grown-ass adult job.
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That's where he took his briefcase.
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Uh-huh.
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Insurance.
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Place.
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I imagine all that important paperwork.
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I know.
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I'm in that briefcase.
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Less.
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Wow.
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So, he's hardly the type of person you might expect would encounter a pipe bomb, right?
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Yeah.
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I was a little surprised.
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Of course, the investigators take a look at everyone close to Barry, beginning with his,
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shall we say, estranged, um, separated?
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Hmm.
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Kathy.
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The wife did it.
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I mean, it's often this spouse, man or woman.
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That was me quoting a thing, not me saying, but she did it just to you.
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Oh, I feel like that was clear.
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Okay.
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Well, I don't know if you're not a true crime person.
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Maybe someone's listening for the first time.
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They're like, oh, she did it.
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What an accusation.
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I know.
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And they immediately turn off the podcast and they don't listen to the rest.
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So they fully think that Kathy did it.
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They leave a bad review.
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Kathy did not do this.
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Oh, gosh.
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That is defamation of character.
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When she learned what had happened to Barry, she quickly rushed to his side.
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Their separation wasn't intended to end the marriage, but rather to coax him into seeking
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treatment for his addiction.
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Oh, okay.
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New layer.
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Any guesses?
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His addiction gambling?
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How can you read my notes from that?
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I can't.
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I just knew.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Have you heard this case before?
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No.
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I literally am just psychic.
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Okay.
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I heard addiction and in my mind said gambling and that is how I said it.
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She is almost 60.
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So I feel like gambling to me.
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That's probably what I would think as well.
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Normally I would have probably just said like alcohol.
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Oh.
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Sex addiction.
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I'm psychic.
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All right.
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Barry told investigators that they had been in therapy for roughly a year prior to their
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separation because of his gambling addiction.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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This is rough.
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Barry gambled away roughly $200,000 from the family savings, but had never taken out debt
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to support his habit.
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He lost their life savings but didn't have any threatening debts related to the gambling.
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So no like, you know, sharks after him.
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Okay.
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So that's good, I guess.
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I mean, yeah.
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There's that.
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Next, Jack was questioned on the grounds of his high school.
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He hadn't seen anything in the driveway when he left for school.
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Authorities decided to take a closer look into Barry's song, "Shack, though."
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There weren't any red flags initially.
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So he played football and seemed popular amongst his peers.
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Jack was somewhat introverted.
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There were some fairly typical teenage shenanigans like Aginga House and a paintball incident
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that had stirred up a bit of tension in their neighborhood.
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A paintball incident?
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Yeah.
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I didn't get into the details, but it sounds like maybe somebody had some paint damage
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or like a broken window or...
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It's not great, but nothing that seemingly would have motivated this type of vicious attack.
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Eventually, authorities would learn about flyers that were distributed.
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They were emailed out to a bunch of Jack's peers at school.
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The flyers claimed that he was a rapist.
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Who?
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Jack.
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The Jack was a 18-year-old son.
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Oh, shit.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I know it's a little bit hard to wrap your head around.
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I thought you were saying he put the flyers out.
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No.
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Okay.
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These are flyers that were randomly emailed to a bunch of his peers.
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And these emails encouraged people to print them out and post them around town.
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That's awful if it's not true.
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Mm-hmm.
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The flyers had been placed in and around his high school and claimed that Jack had raped
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a 13-year-old girl.
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Of course, Jack denied these allegations.
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He was asked to take a lie detector test.
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Which initially he failed, leading to additional questioning.
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After investigating further, including conducting a voluntary search of his computer, police
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then prompted him to take that second lie detector test.
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Apparently, he was just super nervous the first time because he passed on the second
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go-around.
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I was going to say I'd be so nervous I wouldn't pass that I wouldn't pass.
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Yeah.
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You know, the thing about lie detector test and this comes up a lot in different cases
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where they're involved.
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It's like, this isn't admissible in court.
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So why are we doing this rigour maryl?
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Where are we even, you know, bothering?
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I mean, you're just, honestly, you're just traumatizing a 17-year-old kid who is already
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stressed to the max.
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His parents are separated.
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His dad just had to have his leg amputated.
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So like, yeah, he might be a little bit, uh, all over the place, emotionally.
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Definitely.
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When I'm being questioned, and I feel like I'm lying no matter what.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you just feel stressed, you know, than anything.
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Jack received an anonymous letter that was allegedly addressed by the bomber.
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Okay.
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The bomber wrote this letter, allegedly.
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Allegedly.
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Okay.
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The letter indicated remorse for hurting Barry and stated the bomb had been meant for
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Jack.
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Mm.
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Or Barry.
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I mean, poor.
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I don't know about Jack yet.
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I don't know if he's guilty or innocent.
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True.
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It doesn't, you don't know how to feel about it.
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But you assume innocence, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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I mean, you always assume until proven otherwise.
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But still?
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Or a reasonable doubt for sure for Barry.
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Yes.
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Authorities theorized that the bomb had previously been attached to the underside of Jack's
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vehicle with magnets, which would prove true.
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Okay.
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The bomb was attached to Jack's car.
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And it is only just luck of the draw that it happened to have fallen off the underside
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of his vehicle.
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And he drove away and left for school.
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And it was still laying in the driveway when Barry left for work that morning.
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Damn, that's like movie shit.
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Like it is.
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Literally, I'm watching this on the big screen right now.
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Yeah.
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Car bombings.
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Yeah.
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It falling off.
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That's crazy.
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It's pretty wild.
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Is there a movie out of this?
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Because I bet there could be.
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I don't think there's an actual Hollywood style movie, but there is a documentary of sorts.
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It's basically just a true crime show that didn't episode about it.
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But yeah, it's a little cinematic.
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By October 6th of 2000, shortly after the bomb, Jack visits his girlfriend in Kennewick,
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Washington.
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The pair hit Matt at a seaside arcade.
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Oh.
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While they were on a family vacation.
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Like actual seaside or just like, oh my gosh, I was just there.
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The arcade.
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The arcade.
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We walked around on the arcade.
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Yeah, super cool.
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That's funny.
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Over that weekend, his girlfriend's family is spending some time at a park in their
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neighborhood and his girlfriend's brother then discovers a pipe bomb on the grounds of that
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park.
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Oh my gosh, it's still coming.
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Literally right by their house.
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It's after him.
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Funny you say that.
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It had a note attached in Spanish that read, "If you find this, please give it back to
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Jack Hornstein."
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In Spanish?
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Okay.
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Weird.
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That is.
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Weird.
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Launforcement quickly responded.
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They brought the explosive disposal unit, aka the bomb squad for us normies.
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And thankfully, the device her brother found was discovered to be a fake or a dud.
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Was it fake or was it a dud?
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It was fake.
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Well, it's like, those are two very different things.
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I have heard it described as both, alternately, but ultimately, it wasn't really a dud because
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it didn't have the innards of what would make it a bomb, but it was a very convincing fake.
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So, they thought it might have been a dud until they really like, dug into it.
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Gosh.
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Yeah.
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I don't know why, like, bombs freak me out.
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I think I've just watched too many movies where it's like the countdown.
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I hate the fucking countdown.
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Oh, the countdown.
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It reminds me of that game where you try to put the shapes in and it's like ticking down.
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Operation?
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No.
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You like, you like put the shapes in all the little holes before it, like pops up.
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I don't know what that is.
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I don't think of what it is.
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If you guys know what it is, tell me.
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It's dressful.
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Kathy thought Jack would be safe while in Kennewick.
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Kathy, Jack's mom, learned about this additional incident with the fake bomb via the news and ordered
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Jack home.
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Like, dude, don't let your mom find out a bomb real or fake from the news, especially after
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everything that your family has just gone through with a very real bomb.
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Yeah, I don't know if I would have told her.
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I mean, she's gonna hear about it.
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I don't know.
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Did he know that it was gonna be put on the news?
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You thought that they were gonna find a fake bomb after his dad had already been attacked
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with a bomb and that wasn't gonna make the news.
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I don't know.
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Depends on what kind of mom she is because...
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It's a pretty sensational bombing as well because this one was literally addressed
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to him.
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Yeah.
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But I could see how he wouldn't tell him, tell her when he's on vacation.
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No, he wants to stay with his girlfriend.
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He doesn't want his mom to tell him to come home because she's good.
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And it was a fake bomb, so it's fine.
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Mom, it's fine.
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Yeah.
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I see where he's coming from.
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Yeah.
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But also, like, yikes.
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Yeah.
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Kennewick detective Ken Taylor led the Washington end of the investigation.
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And he received a death threat by phone the day after the discovery.
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The message was left by someone clearly using a fake Latino accent.
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Shoo.
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Hmm.
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Pretty offensive.
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Honestly, in the end, I will just say that.
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That's interesting.
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This message was laced with a different kind of bomb.
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F bombs threatening the life of the detective, which is a bold move, not a smart one, but
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it's, that is a choice.
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Just threatening all around town, damn.
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Then just two days later, Jack's girlfriend's mom happens to be on the phone with the detective
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as she's sorting the family's mail.
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And suddenly she says, oh my god, which is never a great sign unless it's like, oh my god,
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look, someone sent us like a shit load of money.
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Oh my god, look at that fruit basket.
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It was a letter describing the bombing of Barry Hornstein and bearing further threats.
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I'm going to read to you a small snippet from this letter.
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Okay.
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This is to let you know that Jack Hornstein is a marked man.
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I don't want your daughter to get hurt, but what happens will happen.
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Geez.
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Yeah.
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So, Jack is the real target, but I really don't care if something bad happens to your daughter.
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Yeah.
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Like ruthless.
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Following this latest threat, the Hornstein sent Jack to stay with his uncle in Seattle.
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And unfortunately, his girlfriend's mom forced them to break things off at this point.
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She said, I am not letting you put your life at risk.
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And you and Jack are officially broken up.
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I mean, that makes sense.
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Did they actually break up though?
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Can they just be long distance?
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They were already long distance.
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Yeah.
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They're not around each other.
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I doubt this person would bomb her if he's not there.
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If he's the target.
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If he is the target.
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I, you know, overprotective though, I get it.
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I mean, in this case, I would, I can't even say that this feels like it's overprotective.
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I feel like probably about the right amount of protective.
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Of course, Jack told his girlfriend that he was leaving for Seattle.
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Oh, okay.
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Because he missed her and his whole world has revolved around emails and phone calls to her
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whenever they're apart.
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And up to this point, they actually only saw each other, like, once every other month.
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Wow.
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I know.
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Such sweet wholesome high school.
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I know.
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It's just two days later that he receives an email from an address he doesn't know.
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That seems to indicate the sender is aware of his travel plans.
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Interesting.
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Outside the Hornstein family, Jack's girlfriend was the only person that knew about the plans.
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Hmm.
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That same email address that sent this latest message was sent by one used in the disparaging
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campaign against Jack mere weeks ago.
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The flyers?
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Yep.
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Gotcha.
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His girlfriend's friends began receiving emails with damaging statements about Jack.
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Around this time.
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And the police attempted to track the emails both that Jack and his girlfriend's friends
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were receiving messages were traced to Emory and Port Orchard, Washington and even Florida
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state.
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Oh, that's terrifying.
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Yeah.
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What year was this?
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Yeah.
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It was around this time that the grim reaper, aka William Law, from the PPP, hopped in his
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car and paid a man up north of visit.
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Santa?
27:10
No.
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Not that far north.
27:12
Oh, okay.
27:13
Not quite.
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Timothy Michael Goff would become a suspect when his credit card was linked to the messages.
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He was an organ native in his 40s, having graduated from Malala High School in the late 70s.
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He'd been married and had a daughter who was in her early 20s.
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And he and his wife had built a quarter million dollar home in Spokane.
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Damn.
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Which is a pretty nice house in the early 2000s.
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Yeah.
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I want one.
27:49
I know, right?
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Like, all day, like a quarter of a million dollar house right now.
27:53
I mean, it would basically be a shed, but yeah.
27:59
Inflation, am I right?
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By the time investigators came knocking, he and his wife had separated.
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He had also relocated to Port Orchard, Washington, which lies in the Puget Sound area very close
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to Canada.
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Very far north.
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Very far north.
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That's to the north pole.
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Practically to the north pole.
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Yeah.
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That's why you put the red on.
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For saying that.
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For saying that.
28:32
Yep.
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Timothy had found lucrative work as a pipe fitter.
28:38
Pipe fitter.
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Interesting.
28:41
Yeah.
28:42
Really interesting job.
28:47
You must come across a lot of spare pipes.
28:50
Actually he does.
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Yeah.
28:52
Got a lot of access to pipes.
28:55
Timothy's brother was a Portland city planner, which sounds a lot less interesting than a pipe
29:02
fitter.
29:03
He claimed to have met Jack's girlfriend in an online chat room.
29:09
One publication said, and I quote, "The bearded, stalky, former Portlander admitted
29:17
trading emails with her," but said, "That was their only contact."
29:22
Was that a lie?
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I mean, it wasn't the truth.
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We all know that the truth is better than a lie.
29:35
That's a quote.
29:36
Don't you forget it.
29:38
What's that from?
29:40
The Gettysburg address?
29:42
Apparently, that wasn't the most believable story.
29:47
Law enforcement.
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They were like, I don't know.
29:52
That actually smells like horseshit.
29:56
And they were issued a search warrant on site.
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They wanted to go in, have a little, little look see around.
30:05
And he was like, I think you need a warrant for that.
30:07
And they were like, okay, hold my beer.
30:09
Yeah.
30:10
Yeah.
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I mean, they weren't drinking beer.
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I don't think so.
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I don't think so.
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I feel like that might make their investigation invalid.
30:20
Yeah, I think that would cause some complications.
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Yeah.
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Correct.
30:24
Anyways, once they got inside, a good friend Tim here.
30:29
He had pipe fitting equipment, which, you know, par for the course for pipe fitter, keeps
30:35
him in his briefcase.
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Yeah.
30:38
The sophisticated computer set up, though a slightly more damning discovery within his
30:45
home, was the slip of paper with the Hornstein family's address in his wallet.
30:53
Huh.
30:54
Why would he need that?
30:56
That's pretty weird.
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Yeah.
30:58
Two tapes were located under his bed.
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And they would prove to be the most disgusting and damning items police would take into
31:07
evidence.
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Tapes?
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Yep.
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Like videotapes.
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Oh.
31:12
Yeah.
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That makes me uncomfortable.
31:16
It's gonna be real uncomfortable.
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If you find it under your bed, it's nothing good.
31:22
Historically, no.
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No.
31:26
These were child sex abuse materials that showed him performing sex acts with a minor, with
31:36
one in particular.
31:40
None other than Jack's girlfriend.
31:43
Oh.
31:46
Oh.
31:48
Investigators called, and I'm omitting their names here, because the names that are used
31:54
in all of the source material are fake anyway.
31:56
Oh, okay.
31:57
Um, Taylor called the girlfriend and her mother into the police station and told the girl
32:03
that he knew she'd had a AirBunny's relationship with the man they were investigating in connection
32:15
with the bombing and revealed that he was now their prime suspect in the case.
32:24
For her part, Jack's girlfriend told police, she'd broken up with him in April 2000, explaining
32:33
that Tim had stronger feelings for me than I had for him.
32:41
Can you see who's like in his 40s or he's like, "Yep.
32:45
To be clear, this was not a relationship and you can't break up with an abuser in a situation
32:52
like this for that very reason.
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This is not a breakup.
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You were not in a relationship."
33:00
Oh.
33:01
That's awful.
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She was 14 when they met.
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I just want to get out of my skin right now.
33:14
Yeah.
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Yeah.
33:16
Additional evidence was found that linked him to the bombings.
33:23
Evidence strongly indicating that he was behind the campaign of threats against Jack, as
33:30
well as the bombs left in Kennewick and Laurel Hurst, obviously.
33:35
In his wallet, they found that note, but they also found additional notes suggesting that
33:42
he was tracking not only Jack Hornstein, but his girlfriend and her family.
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Yeah.
33:50
It's pretty deeply unhinged.
33:54
So his jealousy is like the root of all of this, basically?
33:58
Kind of sounds like it.
34:00
What a way to win a woman back, you know?
34:02
Yeah.
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Just blow up her current boyfriend.
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I'm sorry.
34:06
I should have said a child.
34:07
Mm-hmm.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yeah.
34:10
She is literally a child.
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His own daughter was almost a decade older.
34:19
Yeah.
34:20
Okay.
34:21
I'm so glad that you bought me that pin.
34:28
What?
34:29
The Minotrash one.
34:30
Oh, it was like what pin.
34:31
I'm not.
34:32
I think about it all the time.
34:33
The brain isn't working.
34:34
Yeah.
34:35
You should find it and put it out.
34:38
All right.
34:39
You're like, I know right word.
34:41
Oh, I know.
34:42
Hey, listen.
34:44
Minotrash all the damn time.
34:47
So you got to keep these things out the ready.
34:51
The notes that Timothy had sent to a metric, fucked out of people that knew Jack, particularly
35:01
the ones that were sent to his girlfriend's mom and to Jack's parents.
35:08
They'd been designed obviously to put a halt to their relationship.
35:13
Mm-hmm.
35:14
That makes sense.
35:15
One note read.
35:17
You would think you could find some nice girl your own age instead of messing around with
35:25
little girls that don't know better and listen to your lies.
35:30
But crazy guy wrote that.
35:32
Yep.
35:33
Yeah, because Jack was a whopping two years older than his girlfriend.
35:40
Yeah.
35:41
Pot calling the kettle.
35:43
Anyone?
35:44
Like what?
35:45
I-- how delusional are these fucking people?
35:51
Yeah.
35:52
Seriously.
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I mean, just completely delulu.
35:58
Later in court, Tim's legal counsel, victim blamed the young girl, because she is literally
36:06
a child.
36:07
She's definitely a girl saying that she had seduced him.
36:14
He was recently separated and going through a midlife crisis.
36:19
It's just-- oh, I'm-- I'm sorry, sir.
36:24
You're now a middle-aged fuck up in more than one aspect of life.
36:30
Well, sure.
36:31
It's totally reasonable to ease your clearly significant pain by forming a predatory and
36:39
legally speaking, non-consensual relationship with a child.
36:46
I just--
36:47
Did the poor wires came up with that?
36:52
Yeah, they basically were saying, well, I mean, it's all her fault.
36:55
Did you see what she was wearing?
36:56
I feel like the judge should just be like, OK, I object.
37:01
You're done.
37:02
You're done.
37:03
It's the fuck down.
37:04
I don't know that that was even a part of the courtroom piece of it.
37:08
This was actually a statement I think that he made to the press, which is somehow kind of
37:17
in a way, like almost worse.
37:19
Yeah.
37:20
I don't know.
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I hate it.
37:22
I hate it.
37:23
So yeah, we'll give you a slap on the wrist for appearances and then get you back on the
37:29
field so you can try to recapture the glory days of your youth.
37:33
And just actually pretty much what happened.
37:39
He was sentenced to 26 months in relation to the sexual assault to raping a child.
37:52
Repeatedly raping a child, he was sentenced to 26 months.
37:57
The attempted murder case wasn't going so smoothly by comparison.
38:01
So, and since I'm not altogether pleased with the legal proceedings for the child sex
38:10
abuse case in Washington, that's really saying something.
38:14
A local paper stated interviews as well as a 520 page police file from a parallel out of
38:22
town investigation of the suspected bomber provide rare insight into a mystery involving
38:30
sex, lies, videotape and chat rooms.
38:34
As well as damning evidence that 12 Portland jurors may never be allowed to see.
38:42
Of course not.
38:44
The evidence taken from his apartment, bomb making information and schematics found on
38:51
his computer's hard drive.
38:54
Studies of numerous threatening letters as well as the note written in Spanish would prove
39:02
a sticky situation for the case.
39:06
Law enforcement had not specifically listed his computer or hard drive on the search warrant.
39:13
So they were afraid that they wouldn't be able to use it because they'd found this evidence
39:21
while searching for other items.
39:25
By August of 2003, the trial related to the pipe bombs and his attack on Barry was approaching
39:32
in Portland.
39:35
His attorneys filed a motion to exclude on the grounds that the information had not been
39:40
legally acquired or it was illegally obtained or obtained in an illegal search and seizure.
39:51
Given these circumstances, the prosecution must not have liked their odds so they offered
39:57
him a deal.
39:59
Because basically without any of that evidence that came from his computer hard drive, they
40:04
were royally fucked.
40:07
Seven ways to Sunday.
40:10
Though he was charged with attempted aggravated murder, assault, arson and the manufacture and
40:18
possession of a destructive device in Portland, I think it was a rather generous offer on their
40:25
part.
40:27
The plea deal would require him to plead guilty to two counts of attempted murder, after
40:34
which the prosecution would agree to dropping the 14 additional charges.
40:41
2 out of 16.
40:47
He took the deal, which came with a reduced sentence of 12 years instead of the roughly 20 to
40:55
30 additional years that he may have otherwise faced based on the charges.
41:02
Barry was glad to put the case behind.
41:06
Yeah.
41:07
How long did you say how long it took?
41:11
I mean, this was like a couple of years by the time they got to sentencing and everything.
41:17
So I mean, these are never a short.
41:22
Yeah.
41:23
I mean, this is going to tie up your life for a minute.
41:29
All while he's trying to heal from a literal amputation and probably has to learn how to walk
41:34
again and getting prosthetics, which he did.
41:40
Which is awesome.
41:42
Yeah.
41:44
Barry had, for the most part, really already started to adjust to his new life.
41:51
He said he missed walking on the beach, which was really one of the only things that he
41:56
couldn't really quite do anymore.
42:02
But he felt that it was good alternative to dying.
42:08
Oh, Barry and Kathy were able to reconcile despite the tragic circumstances and trying times
42:19
that they had faced.
42:22
Barry passed away in 2022 at 81 years old.
42:28
Wow.
42:30
And I'll leave you with some of his parting words from one of the mini-docs that I watched
42:35
about this case.
42:38
My family isn't attacked.
42:40
My son wasn't killed.
42:42
It could have been him.
42:44
I only lost a leg.
42:47
It's a pretty cheap price to pay.
42:49
A leg to get back your life again with your wife.
42:53
Wow.
42:54
That's crazy.
42:57
I was absolutely sobbing just.
43:02
I'm a bleak friend watching.
43:07
To be able to go through that and still have that positive mindset, it reminds me of Ralph.
43:13
It reminds me of Ralph.
43:17
I totally thought when you said gambling, this was going to be a mob thing.
43:22
I know.
43:23
They walked into it.
43:25
They walked into it.
43:29
The IRA.
43:31
Kind of the wrong continent.
43:34
Yeah.
43:38
I do have a few little update and just some where they now.
43:43
Stuff for the Patreon that it didn't quite fit into kind of our regular episode.
43:51
But I really wanted to share because, I'm going to cry again when I read that.
43:57
I'm going to cry again when I read that stuff.
44:02
If you want to see me cry like a baby again, after we do our tarot, that's, you know where
44:09
to find it.
44:12
Yeah.
44:14
This case was a fucking lot.
44:17
It's, yeah.
44:19
It's just like so unexpected.
44:21
Yeah.
44:22
So at first you're like, oh, it's Jack's fault.
44:26
Not like it's his fault.
44:27
But like he's the target.
44:28
You know, like, what did he do?
44:31
Right.
44:32
It's like totally like nothing to do with any of his family.
44:36
No, not at all.
44:37
He didn't do anything for, don't date a girl who got abused.
44:43
It's crazy.
44:44
Yeah.
44:45
And broke up with, broke up with her abuser and then became the target for just, I mean, the
44:54
most nonsensical and horrific violent attacks.
44:59
And just how can you imagine as a 17 year old kid, somebody starts emailing all of your peers,
45:07
telling them to post these fucking horrible defamatory like posters all around town about how
45:15
you're a rapist.
45:16
That's awful.
45:18
And then they try to kill you, but instead they harm your dad.
45:24
And I mean, just the, and the mind games of like the fact that he was getting information
45:31
from the girlfriend.
45:33
Yeah.
45:34
That's how he was able to totally fuck with this whole family's head.
45:39
When they were going to send him to Seattle, they were like, oh shit.
45:43
Like, well, like, like, have we been hacked?
45:48
Or like, is it Jack's girlfriend?
45:50
Like, you just feel like there's no one you can trust.
45:54
Right?
45:56
I can't.
45:57
I cannot even wrap my head around with that.
46:02
It's just, I just, I have no words.
46:08
I literally have no words.
46:09
This happens a lot.
46:11
Yeah.
46:12
It's just so gross.
46:15
Humans.
46:16
Yeah.
46:17
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46:19
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46:23
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46:27
Tarot?
46:28
Yeah.
46:29
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46:30
Wouldn't make you feel better?
46:31
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46:33
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48:00
King of “Peentacles" reverse.
48:04
“Peentacles", huh?
48:05
Pentacles.
48:06
Do you want me to read what's on this card?
48:08
Yeah.
48:09
Okay.
48:10
Proverbs.
48:11
Financially inept stubborn greed, indulgence, sensuality.
48:20
Hate that.
48:21
Awful.
48:22
Should I read the other things on here?
48:25
Sure.
48:26
Numerology is 14 and 5.
48:29
What does that mean?
48:31
Interesting.
48:32
Okay.
48:33
King of Pentacles.
48:34
Why would it be 14 and a 5?
48:36
We need you to tell us more.
48:38
Tell us more.
48:40
Taurus Virgo Capricorn.
48:44
And then we have Earth is the element.
48:48
Some other symbol I don't know, and it says 4 again.
48:51
Okay.
48:52
Oh, where it is.
48:54
All right.
48:55
I'm going to read you the keywords here from our Hended Andy Book.
49:00
Keywords are security, material success, pragmatism, stability, strength, and worldly power.
49:09
Flopped.
49:12
In many decks, this king sits on a throne and plays.
49:16
Oh, I'm sorry.
49:17
Yeah.
49:18
I see.
49:19
See you there.
49:21
It all ties together.
49:24
It all ties together.
49:26
Yeah.
49:27
In many decks, this king sits on a throne and wears rich garments and a crown.
49:34
Because he appears with a bowl, symbol of strength, virility, and tenacity.
49:40
You mess with the bowl.
49:42
Get the horse.
49:43
No thanks.
49:46
In a reading, he may represent an actual person.
49:50
In which case, he's usually a mature man who exercises worldly power and authority.
49:58
Probably abuses his power.
49:59
I'm going to say.
50:02
When reversed, the king of pentacles indicates sluggish-nish.
50:08
Sluggish-nish.
50:11
Delays and/or obstacles to material success.
50:14
I don't know.
50:16
12 to 14 years in prison, roughly.
50:20
Tim?
50:21
Timmy?
50:22
Timmy?
50:23
Sometimes it shows low energy or insecurity.
50:26
Hmm.
50:27
I'm very insecure.
50:29
Weird.
50:31
You feel stuck, but don't have to drive to get out of your rut.
50:34
You just want to blow other people up.
50:37
Hmm.
50:38
If the card represents, oh my god.
50:40
If the card represents an actual person, he may be mercenary, course, dull, witted, or even
50:48
corrupt.
50:49
What's mercenary mean?
50:51
I mean, I always think of mercenaries.
50:54
Like, they're like people that get sent in.
50:56
It's like black ops and they just, you know, fuck shit up places.
51:00
You probably fuck some shit up.
51:02
I mean, he did fuck to your love, sorry.
51:05
Mercenaries and bombs.
51:07
Like, there you go.
51:09
In a reading about money, your finances are stagnant.
51:13
You might even incur losses because your stuck in old patterns and have resisted making
51:20
changes.
51:21
Ooh.
51:22
You're worried about money and/or don't handle your resource as well.
51:26
Okay, short.
51:27
I mean, what's that about?
51:29
Very.
51:30
Hmm.
51:31
Perhaps?
51:32
Yeah.
51:33
If the reading is about your job, the king reversed may mean your board with your work but
51:38
can't find something better.
51:42
Perhaps you've sacrificed your passion for security.
51:46
Or your job may be in jeopardy and you feel insecure.
51:49
Just a lot of insecurity.
51:52
Hmm.
51:53
Interesting.
51:54
In a reading about love, a relationship may offer stability, but little excitement
52:00
or romance, routine or responsibility may drain your vitality.
52:06
Perhaps you feel stuck in a relationship for financial reasons.
52:10
That makes me think of like, I'm thinking of specifically what they were saying about
52:15
him.
52:16
He's having a midlife crisis, you know, so he just had to fuck a teenager.
52:20
Yeah.
52:21
Which is so gross.
52:24
No.
52:25
I just.
52:26
I can't.
52:27
Like, I get it.
52:29
It's your job to defend this man.
52:31
But like, you go get a motorcycle and crash it like every other middle aged white man.
52:38
Seriously.
52:39
Do you have to put it like that?
52:40
I mean, the actual quote was so much grosser.
52:44
It goes on and it is gnarly.
52:48
It is so gross.
52:51
Yeah.
52:52
Yeah.
52:53
I was like, I, nope.
52:55
Thank you for not reading it all.
52:57
Yeah, I didn't think I could physically.
52:59
I felt that that was at the outer limits of, you can find it in the source material.
53:07
Yeah.
53:08
You go to that.
53:09
I'm not going to do that.
53:10
I'm disturbed enough.
53:13
Yes.
53:14
Wow.
53:15
Yeah.
53:16
I feel like this one's calling to me.
53:20
Is it calling to you?
53:21
I mean, it's sticking out.
53:22
Yeah.
53:23
Get her.
53:24
Get her.
53:25
It's the full.
53:27
That's why.
53:29
Oh, get me.
53:30
Oh, weird.
53:31
Your card was calling to you.
53:34
Why would it not be?
53:36
But it's interesting.
53:37
It wasn't reversed.
53:38
So that seems like it could fit.
53:40
Let me see.
53:41
The fee will.
53:42
That fee.
53:43
Navite, lack of direction, chaos, recklessness, stupidity.
53:51
I mean, do I need to read the full interpretation of this point?
53:56
No.
53:57
I mean, I don't think you do, but there's some fun stuff in there, maybe.
54:00
Yeah.
54:01
OK.
54:02
So in the reverse, if the fool is reversed, you may feel restless and bored, eager to try something
54:10
new, but now it's probably not the right time to act.
54:14
Probably never.
54:16
I think of this as the don't quit your day job card.
54:22
This works.
54:23
Oh, my God.
54:25
Oh, my God.
54:27
It's all about like very bad decisions being kind of similar.
54:31
Yeah.
54:32
Don't do this hastily.
54:34
Gather information.
54:36
Oh, boy.
54:37
OK.
54:38
In a reading about love, this card can warn you to look more closely at a partner or relationship.
54:45
Things may not be where you think the reverse fool may also indicate the end of a relationship
54:51
and greater freedom as a result.
54:53
Yeah.
54:54
Take the freedom.
54:55
Like, leave this kid alone.
54:58
Yeah.
54:59
Or, oh, my God.
55:00
So many things.
55:01
Think before you act, however, for you might regret a breakup undertaken hastily or I
55:07
don't know, the revenge you take as a result of a breakup.
55:12
It's funny that it says that it really is.
55:17
Yeah.
55:18
I mean, I mean, it's the epitome of stupidity.
55:23
Oh, I like that.
55:25
I should put it on a t-shirt.
55:26
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55:29
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Not really spoilers.
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It's more of a, where are they now?
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I'm so excited to see you cry again.
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Yay.
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Yay.
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You're going to cry too.
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I know.
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I almost did this time, but I like held it back pretty good.
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Yeah.
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No, it's all going to be like kind of like that.
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Happy cry.
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Oh, I'm going to get you.
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Like with Ralphie.
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Yeah.
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Kind of.
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Ralphie June.
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Ralphie June.
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If you can't support us monetarily, no worries, because the easiest ways to support, they're
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actually absolutely free.
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Like you can tell everyone, anyone, all of the people that you ever, ever, ever see, anyone
56:28
that you come into contact with about us, which would be great.
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And while you're at it, leave us a five star review on any platform you can.
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But also Apple, because they're kind of the boss.
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Yeah.
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But also on that note, don't tell any creepy ex-boyfriends about us.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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Even if you come across them, like don't tell those people.
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Yeah, just do us a solid.
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Yeah.
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And if you have any true crime, paranormal, or witchy stories to submit for our listener
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appreciation episodes, we call them the creepy people chronicles, because we just like
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those words together.
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We do.
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It's so much fun.
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It's a cup.
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Yeah.
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Please email them to us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com, or you can use our handy dandy little link
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to the Google contact form in the episode description.
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Yeah.
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We've made it really difficult for you to somehow miss.
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Yeah.
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And we do need more stories.
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So like, yeah, send them in.
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Just like whenever you're ready.
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Preferably now.
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We do want to hear them and we want to read them, but if you don't want us to read them,
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let us know.
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We'll still read your stories to ourselves, but if you don't want them public, that's fine.
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Or we can change names, because you can always remain anonymous.
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And remember, they don't have to be from the Pacific Northwest if you want to share.
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And then we can just read your stories from wherever the fuck all of the creepy, creepy, creepy
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shit is happening around you.
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Yeah.
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I really want some like Ireland stories, you know?
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I've just been thinking about it a lot, and I just want some good, creepy stories from Ireland.
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So send them.
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Yeah.
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I just keep thinking that I used to tell people all of these like far thrown places that
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I wanted to have stories from and now I'm like, what if I want to go there on my honeymoon?
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I haven't decided yet.
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So okay, well, don't send any stories about any honeymoon destinations until after Caitlin
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goes on her.
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Yeah.
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Bad news about that.
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I've actually found multiple super murdery wedding/honeymoon stories.
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And I'm going to work on at least one of them.
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Why would you do that to yourself?
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Because I am a sadist.
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Oh my god.
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I guess.
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I don't know.
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Is that sadist or am I a masochist or?
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I am unwell.
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She is.
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Yes.
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And if you want to see us both be very unwell, you can follow us on all the socials.
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That's the number one place to see it.
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We have TikToks.
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We have Instagrams. @pnwhauntshomicidespod
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We've got the Facebooks, the tweeters, all of it.
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So follow us there.
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You can see it.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Wait, is it on Instagram?
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It's basically Instagram.
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It's like the tweeters of Instagram.
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I just ignore it.
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It's all confusing to me.
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Yeah, I know.
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You can find our link tree or our website with links to all of those things. www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com
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Have a creepy ass day.
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Have a creepy ass day.
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See you next Tuesday.
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Bye.
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Unless you're out fucking pipe bombing people.
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Like it.
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Just don't even just don't just don't and if someone breaks up with you, take the fucking
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hit.
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Yeah, maybe it means they don't like you.
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They're just they're just not that into you, you know?
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Yeah.
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Watch that movie.
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Yeah.
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It's great.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it kind of makes sense because like when you're dating a 14 year old, they just,
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you know, the attention span can be a little lacking.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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We got to go.
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Yeah.
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Definitely.
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Okay.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Hi.
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You say a pipe cleaner?
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Pipe and fitter.
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