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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-17-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: Happy humpday, everybody.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven two one FM.
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Speaker 3: Happy to be with you once again. Fun show lined up.
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Speaker 3: We will be giving you updates of the Portugal d
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Speaker 3: RC game throughout Democratic Republic of the Congo.
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Speaker 4: Taking on Cristiano Ronaldo and Portugal. They're announcing the starting
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Speaker 4: lineups now. That will be first kick momentarily. Look, you know,
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Speaker 4: I'm not the biggest soccer guy in the world, but
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Speaker 4: holy cow, did the World Cup yesterday deliver one of
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Speaker 4: the things that I mean. It makes you realize there's
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Speaker 4: very there are very few things like it on the
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Speaker 4: sporting landscape. Erling Holland, who is one of the biggest
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Speaker 4: stars in the world, scored two goals for Norway yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Killian and Bope scored two goals for France yesterday, including
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Speaker 4: one insane highlight reel goal. Leo Messi had the honor
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Speaker 4: of being the guy who got to go out last
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Speaker 4: in the day's slate of games. And Leo Messi, of course,
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Speaker 4: is a global phenomenon unlike anything we have seen in sport.
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Speaker 1: He's the defending World Cup champion.
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Speaker 4: He is still in a lot of people's minds the
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Speaker 4: reigning and best player on Earth even though he has
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Speaker 4: rounded into his forties, and Messi ends up with a
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Speaker 4: hat trick that makes him the single all time goals
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Speaker 4: leader in the history of.
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Speaker 1: World Cup soccer.
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Speaker 4: Holland Bape Messi all with monster games in the same
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Speaker 4: day of World Cup play. I'm trying to draw like
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Speaker 4: a rough equivalent of this.
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Speaker 1: This is.
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Speaker 4: Aaron Judge hitting two home runs, Bryce Harper hitting two
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Speaker 4: home runs, and then shohe Otani hitting three home runs,
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Speaker 4: all in the same day. This is Luca going for
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Speaker 4: a triple double, Jokic going for a triple double, and
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Speaker 4: then Lebron closing out like a Christmas Day type slate
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Speaker 4: of games with a fifty point triple double, all on
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Speaker 4: the same day. It's beautiful, it's incredible, and we're probably
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Speaker 4: not gonna get the exact same thing again. But you know,
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Speaker 4: outside of the Olympics, it is rare that you get
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Speaker 4: the best players in the world in any sport representing
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Speaker 4: their countries on the same stage.
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Speaker 1: And then of course doing all of that in one day.
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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe someone can bring up eight seven seven
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Speaker 4: three five three zero seven hundred.
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe in one Olympic games.
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Speaker 4: We saw something equivalent to this, where like Lebron had
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Speaker 4: a monster day for a team USA the same time
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Speaker 4: that I don't know, Manu Ginobili was killing it for
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Speaker 4: Argentina and.
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Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert had a great day for France.
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Speaker 5: I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: Or like a I don't even know.
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Speaker 3: I can't think of an NBA playoff game day that
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Speaker 3: that's like this and that would it would be the
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Speaker 3: first second round when you have this many games happening
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Speaker 3: at the same time. I can't think of a day
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Speaker 3: like that NBA Playoffs off top of my head, like
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Speaker 3: this is. It really was an incredible day. And now
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Speaker 3: what's what's awesome about this is if you if you
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Speaker 3: know the kind of guy who loves his celebrity and
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Speaker 3: the and the competitor that Christiano Ronaldo is, you know,
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Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, now it's my turn, Yeah right now.
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Speaker 3: Ronaldo is already trying to set up his teammates, you know,
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Speaker 3: give and go on some of these passes. Twice now
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Speaker 3: in the first two and a half minutes for Portugal,
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Speaker 3: we've seen him chip a pass off to a teammate
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Speaker 3: and then starts sprinting toward the goal. Of course, in
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Speaker 3: soccer you have to stay on side, which is one
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Speaker 3: of those annoying things that you see only on.
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Speaker 1: This global stage of soccer.
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Speaker 4: And Portugal already very close to the box and in
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Speaker 4: the attack here with very little gameplay so far. Another
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Speaker 4: thing I noticed when they were announcing the starting lineups
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Speaker 4: that we don't do a good enough job of in
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Speaker 4: American sport in Brazil. In Portugal, you even saw this
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Speaker 4: with the goalkeeper for Cape Verd. I guess it's a
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Speaker 4: Portuguese language. Is a Portuguese thing, Like what's going on there? Well,
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Speaker 4: players will just they'll drop the last name, they'll drop
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Speaker 4: the surname entirely, or they'll just go by the surname
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Speaker 4: and they'll just become that singular word like Christiano. Ronaldo
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Speaker 4: is like the the fourth famous Ronaldo.
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Speaker 1: We've had in soccer.
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Speaker 3: There was, of course originally just Ronaldo, yeah right, the
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Speaker 3: Brazilian Ronaldo, and they had Ronaldinho, yeah, which is little
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Speaker 3: which is little Ronaldo. That's what Ronaldinho means.
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Speaker 4: That means a little Ronaldo, which means he when he
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Speaker 4: was coming up and he played a lot of futsal
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Speaker 4: as well.
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Speaker 1: As playing soccer.
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure people are just like, oh, he's like
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Speaker 4: a little Ronaldo, He's Ronaldinho and then he just like
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Speaker 4: that became his identity as name.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 4: Portugal's got a couple of guys that are just that
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Speaker 4: that singular title, like Madonna, and we do this, I
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Speaker 4: guess like when we so Lebron has just become Lebron.
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Speaker 4: Most of the time we don't mention Lebron James, right,
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Speaker 4: Michael Jordan was always Michael Jordan.
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Speaker 3: Tom Brady is always Tom Brady, Yeah, Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning.
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Speaker 3: And Kobe was that before Lebron, he was just Kobe,
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Speaker 3: which is one of the reasons why Another one of
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Speaker 3: the reasons why I never liked the Black Mama name.
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Speaker 3: Number one was that he gave it to himself. Number
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Speaker 3: two was, Dude, you're Kobe. You don't need you don't
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Speaker 3: need a nickname. You're Kobe, like the eight seven seven
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Speaker 3: three five three zero seven hundred, the terrified Air, the
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Speaker 3: royalty of just being a singular name, a term, a
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Speaker 3: you become a noun and a verb and a title
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Speaker 3: all by yourself.
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Speaker 4: You're a Lebron, You're a Kobe. We don't do it
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Speaker 4: in football actually very much.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the more I think about it, like you say
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Speaker 3: the whole name, but Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes, Joe
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Speaker 3: Montana is Joe Montana. Steve Young is Steve Young. I
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Speaker 3: don't I mean Joe name. If you go back through
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Speaker 3: like all of them and down to Bart's Starr, we
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Speaker 3: don't call him star. Yeah, like Elway, I think people
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Speaker 3: went and said Elway a lot just playing Elway a lot.
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Speaker 3: But that's a unique, really unique last name though. That's
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Speaker 3: probably what that was.
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Speaker 4: And I'm trying to think of anyone else in football.
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Speaker 4: Jerry Rice, we called Jerry Rice. Portugal just scrolled on,
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Speaker 4: scored on a beautiful header. We're five minutes and thirty
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Speaker 4: seven seconds into this one and Portugal already on the board.
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Speaker 3: This could be a high scoring game for the Portuguese.
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Speaker 3: They've been they've been aggressive to start. Yeah, Shaq is
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Speaker 3: another one, Shack. I think Shaq is the best one
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Speaker 3: we have. Yeah, we Jokic, we call him Joker. We
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Speaker 3: call him Jokic because we don't want to say his
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Speaker 3: first name. Yeah, right, Luca, same thing, because we don't
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Speaker 3: want to get the Eastern Europeans.
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Speaker 4: Eastern European names wrong, So we just throw out the
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Speaker 4: singular title there. But that's something in soccer that you
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Speaker 4: see kind of a lot of and it's neat. It's
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Speaker 4: a not totally unique thing because you see it other places,
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Speaker 4: but soccer has kind of the first, the first movers
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Speaker 4: on that stuff. You just become tell you are Prince,
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Speaker 4: you are Madonna, your real name is inconsequential, you just
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Speaker 4: are a title. My in my formative years watching baseball
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Speaker 4: many Ramirez was that he was Manny.
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Speaker 5: He was just Manny.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone knew.
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Speaker 3: Everyone knew when you say if you were a baseball
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Speaker 3: fan anyway, everyone knew if you said Manny that you
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Speaker 3: were talking about Manny Ramirez.
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Speaker 4: Best single name sports. What's the right way to google this?
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Speaker 1: Even I know.
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Speaker 3: Single name Moniker, I don't know eight seven seven three
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Speaker 3: five three zero seven hundred, get yours coming in. It's
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Speaker 3: not really particularly relevant to anything in sports other than
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Speaker 3: it's just been really fun to watch this World Cup
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Speaker 3: in North America at American stadiums. The fan base is
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Speaker 3: really embracing this and also embracing the travel through the
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Speaker 3: United States of America, and you got some really incredible
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Speaker 3: games in yesterday's World Cup.
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Speaker 5: I mean.
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Speaker 3: Argentina was in Kansas City? Is that where they were
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Speaker 3: playing last night? When is the next time folks in
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Speaker 3: that state are going to see a record setting performance
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Speaker 3: by the arguable goat in any sport.
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Speaker 1: Pretty incredible stuff.
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Speaker 4: Leo Messi equal the Miroslav Close's record of sixteen World
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Speaker 4: Cup goals with his hat trick three nil. Argentina beats Algeria,
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Speaker 4: Norway for one over Iraq yesterday, France in the early
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Speaker 4: game three to one over Senegal, and it was two
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Speaker 4: for Bape, it was two for Arling Holland, and it
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Speaker 4: was three for Lionel Messi. Your move, Christiano Ronaldo, Let's
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Speaker 4: see what you got. You're not playing against Al Nasser
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Speaker 4: opponents today. I honestly don't know if RC is much better.
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Speaker 3: And then a heartbreaking loss for me and the in
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Speaker 3: Jordan's opener three to one, lost to UH to Austria
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Speaker 3: last night. I'm I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed at this might
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Speaker 3: be an airing of grievance for me on Friday. But
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Speaker 3: they played at ten pm last night, which of course
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Speaker 3: I know is midnight on the East coast, which is today.
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Speaker 3: But on ESPN dot com it shows you in the
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Speaker 3: time zone you're at. For some reason, it's showed it
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Speaker 3: showed it on today's schedule, so we have a they
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Speaker 3: played last night, but they're part of today's slate for
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Speaker 3: some reason. So that's whatever. I guess because the game
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Speaker 3: went final today. I think it's because as midnight start
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Speaker 3: on the East Coast. But again that is in consequential
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Speaker 3: which to the rest of the site. The way this
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Speaker 3: site works, Why here which? Why Why are they playing
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Speaker 3: these games so late? I guess they're just trying to
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Speaker 3: get as many group stage games in as possible every day.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, like they could have started France at eleven
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Speaker 3: instead of one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 3: I guess if I'm a player, I'm more of a
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Speaker 3: night out than I am a morning person. So if
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Speaker 3: I'm a player, I probably prefer to have the ten
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Speaker 3: pm Mountain Times start rather than the you know, the
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Speaker 3: midnight Eastern time start. I probably prefer that over being
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Speaker 3: up really early in the morning.
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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of athletes are the opposite.
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of guys who are up at five
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Speaker 4: am working out, getting that stuff out of their day,
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Speaker 4: and then just going about their life. I'm not sure
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Speaker 4: whether this is a player led kind of scheduling thing
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Speaker 4: or whether it or television windows and sponsors, which, let's
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Speaker 4: be honest, that's usually what is the most influential thing
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Speaker 4: in all of.
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Speaker 1: Sports these days. I just confirmed.
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Speaker 3: I was like, it's this one had to have been
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Speaker 3: played in Pacific, Pacific time zone, one of the one
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Speaker 3: of the West Coast venues.
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Speaker 1: It absolutely was.
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Speaker 3: It was Santa Clara, So all right, that's how they
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Speaker 3: got away with doing a midnight eastern kickoff ten pm here,
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Speaker 3: nine pm where it was.
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Speaker 4: So the World Cup continues to be interesting. Marcello Balboa
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Speaker 4: is going to join us in about fifteen minutes to
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Speaker 4: talk about the World Cup and we will focus a
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Speaker 4: little bit at least on yesterday's incredible slate of games.
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Speaker 4: Jeff Schwartz at noon, as we discuss the fallout of
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Speaker 4: the Brendan Soresby decision. He is going to be in
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Speaker 4: the NFL supplemental draft, and he's probably the only guy
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Speaker 4: who's going to be in the supplemental draft. What is
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Speaker 4: he worth from a draft pick perspective? Adrian Denny between
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Speaker 4: the pipes in the one o'clock hour today and the
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Speaker 4: most relevant news locally right now is the Utah Jazz
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Speaker 4: and Walker Kessler apparently not close multiple sources, and we
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Speaker 4: talked about this with Tony Jones yesterday, talked about it
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Speaker 4: a little bit over the last couple of weeks with
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Speaker 4: Gordy Chieza, Tim McMahon and others reporting that five years,
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Speaker 4: one hundred and forty million for Walker Kessler is not really.
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Speaker 1: Getting the job done right now.
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Speaker 3: It would be the largest contract ever given to a
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Speaker 3: center in the NBA who had yet to become an
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Speaker 3: All Star. So Walker Kessler demand and this is the
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Speaker 3: way that contracts work, right The market gets reset pretty
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Speaker 3: much every single time. But Walker Kest necessarily in that category.
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Speaker 3: Yet you're a guy whose accomplishments are ready to reset
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Speaker 3: a market.
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Speaker 1: We love Walker Kessler.
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Speaker 4: Walker Kessler is the right fit for this Jazz basketball team.
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Speaker 4: Walker Kessler is a guy that went healthy. I think
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Speaker 4: could be a major major part of success and hopefully
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Speaker 4: playoff run for this Utah Jazz basketball team. Walker Kessler,
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Speaker 4: as the statement exists, not yet an All Star. He's
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Speaker 4: not a top fill in the blank number center in
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Speaker 4: the NBA right now.
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Speaker 3: I think he's in the upper half. I think he's
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Speaker 3: played in the years that he's been healthy. Of course,
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Speaker 3: he missed all of last year. I think he's played
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Speaker 3: well enough to say he's in the upper half of
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Speaker 3: the league.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's not. He's not someone that.
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Speaker 4: So no one would call him like a top five center,
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Speaker 4: Absolutely not, he wouldn't. You'd yeah, probably say he's like
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Speaker 4: a top twelve center.
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Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe somewhere in the somewhere in the top fifteen,
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Speaker 3: I would say. But that's without me really actually thinking
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Speaker 3: about it. If I really got down to it, maybe
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Speaker 3: he's a little bit lower than that. The point is,
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Speaker 3: like he and his camp seem to think he's earned
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Speaker 3: more than he really has at this point, and it's
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Speaker 3: a five year deal. I'm sure it's like an upside
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Speaker 3: thing for them. They're like, hey, maybe next year he's
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Speaker 3: not worth over thirty million a year, but in within
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Speaker 3: two years he will be a That'll be a bargain
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Speaker 3: for him.
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Speaker 1: Is what is the argument they're trying to make.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not I can't totally say that's completely off base,
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Speaker 3: but I'm with the I believe the Jazz are in
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Speaker 3: the right to say, no, we're giving you a contract
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Speaker 3: based on what we think your value is. Right now,
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Speaker 3: and apparently they're not close. So twenty eight million a
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Speaker 3: year is not enough right now? So what is thirty
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Speaker 3: thirty two, thirty five? You're not getting thirty five? Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's that's definitely too high. Also in the same report,
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Speaker 3: the hint is that sources also express doubt that the
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Speaker 3: Jazz would reach an agreement on a rookie contract extension
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Speaker 3: with Keyante George, despite the franchise's optimism that he will
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Speaker 3: play a key role in Utah's future after his breakout
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Speaker 3: third season.
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Speaker 1: This isn't a side another really.
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Speaker 3: Just like a oh, by the way, another young player
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Speaker 3: that you're excited about Utah.
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Speaker 1: By the way, Utah.
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Speaker 3: Jazz fans, I know you're feeling really good about the
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Speaker 3: future of this franchise. You got the number two pick
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Speaker 3: coming in a nice you know, a flush draft class.
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Speaker 3: You've got no reason to tank moving forward. Your front
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Speaker 3: office is one that a lot of people in the
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Speaker 3: league respect and trust and think will do some really
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Speaker 3: good things for you.
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Speaker 1: Just traded for an all in defensive player of the year.
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Speaker 3: It's the deadline, by the way, though, By the way,
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Speaker 3: two of the young guys that formed the core that
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Speaker 3: you think is integral for you moving forward, two of
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Speaker 3: those guys are going to be hard to get deals
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Speaker 3: done with. And then suddenly the optimism is like, oh what,
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Speaker 3: oh wow, So we have three fists of a starting
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Speaker 3: lineup now instead.
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Speaker 1: Of a set of all.
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Speaker 3: And the funny thing is is like, I have been
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Speaker 3: operating under this assumption and when you know what you
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Speaker 3: do when you assume right, I've been operating under this
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Speaker 3: assumption that the tough thing to get done is picking
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Speaker 3: the right guy, is making sure that this draft pick
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Speaker 3: a ends up being who you expect him to be,
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Speaker 3: b ends up being someone that actually wants to be
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Speaker 3: in Utah and embraces the situation the way that Ace
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Speaker 3: Bailey has despite all.
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Speaker 1: The rumor and innuendo from.
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Speaker 3: A year ago, the way Lowry Marketing has for Larry
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Speaker 3: Markinen has for even longer. Yeah, see Lowry Marketing now
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Speaker 3: being back in the lineup, and you're not shutting him
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Speaker 3: down for false reasons. But is he gonna be healthy,
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Speaker 3: like truly healthy? That's not the easiest thing. He's had
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Speaker 3: some injury problems in his career. You could say the
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Speaker 3: same thing with Jaron Jackson Junior. All you shut him down.
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Speaker 3: He had that minor surgery cleanup. Okay, but there's no
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Speaker 3: such thing as.
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Speaker 4: A minor surgery on a joint for an NBA big man, Right, So,
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Speaker 4: like I've just assumed, oh yeah, all these outcomes are
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Speaker 4: sort of like it's a foregone conclusion. It's gonna be fine,
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Speaker 4: everything's gonna be great. And now Walker Kessler at twenty
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Speaker 4: eight million dollars a year says no, not enough. And
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Speaker 4: if you believe what Tony Jones was saying yesterday, it's
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Speaker 4: not just money. It's not all about money here there
18:43
Speaker 4: there might be some kind of a disagreement on role,
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Speaker 4: on the amount of respected, love and whatever else he's
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Speaker 4: getting it from the team that there needs to be
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Speaker 4: an olive branch extended in that regard whether or not
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Speaker 4: he was prioritized correctly when it came to some of
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Speaker 4: these contract discussions and the amount of communication with the
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Speaker 4: trade of Jared Jackson Junior coming in. I mean, there's
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Speaker 4: all these different things that NBA basketball players care about,
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Speaker 4: and part of your job as a coach and a
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Speaker 4: general manager and really anyone in the team environment is
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Speaker 4: we got to know what's important to this guy. And
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Speaker 4: even if you think it's silly, because sometimes quite frankly,
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Speaker 4: they are silly things. Even if you think it's silly,
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Speaker 4: you need to make sure that they feel taken care of, right,
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Speaker 4: Like I am this way. There are certain things that
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Speaker 4: as a show host, or in the case of my
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Speaker 4: work on TV, as a play by play broadcaster, there
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Speaker 4: are certain things that are important to me. I need
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Speaker 4: for like people to not mess with my headset and
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Speaker 4: my microphones.
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Speaker 3: I don't worry. I've seen your writer every day. Oh see,
19:58
Speaker 3: you don't need to tell me that you well, you're
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Speaker 3: high making it doesn't it doesn't really apply. It doesn't
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Speaker 3: really apply in radio so much. But like, there's this
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Speaker 3: thing where you get your audio engineer and they're they've
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Speaker 3: got You've got the board in front of you, right,
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Speaker 3: and they're just they're out, they're coming along and theyre
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Speaker 3: always like peper and I'm like, I have it how
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Speaker 3: I want it, don't touch it, leave it alone.
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Speaker 4: And it's a very diva behavior and it's something I'm like,
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Speaker 4: but that's that matters to me. That's the thing that
20:21
Speaker 4: I'm just like, I don't want to have somebody too
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Speaker 4: loud in my ear blasted. I've got it all set,
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Speaker 4: leave it alone, right, That's something that's important to me.
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Speaker 4: The guy that I that I do the fights with
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Speaker 4: Dan Hardy, He's got his own list of bugaboos, and
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Speaker 4: some of his I think are really ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: And probably he.
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Speaker 4: Probably looks at me being like shooing away the audio
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Speaker 4: tech and it's being like, dude, that's his job, leave
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Speaker 4: him alone, right So, But but I don't know what
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Speaker 4: the Walker Kessler issues are. But it's your job, as
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Speaker 4: part of an organization, as part of a coaching staff,
20:52
Speaker 4: to know what things are important to that guy. If
20:54
Speaker 4: it's like, hey, he wants the famous moneyball scene, he
20:57
Speaker 4: wants the drinks in the locker room to be free,
21:00
Speaker 4: all right, then make the drinks in the locker room free,
21:03
Speaker 4: like something small to keep people happy.
21:05
Speaker 1: You kind of have to do it.
21:07
Speaker 3: Remember the Ravens report where John Harbaugh took the video
21:11
Speaker 3: game the video games set up away because they got
21:15
Speaker 3: off to a bad start, and he's like, nope.
21:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, no more, no more Xbox in that locker room.
21:20
Speaker 3: That probably that probably a lot of people on the
21:24
Speaker 3: team were probably like, well, this is stupid.
21:26
Speaker 1: I hate this guy.
21:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, when there you got a bunch of twenty three
21:29
Speaker 4: year olds playing on your football team, and you're just like, no, guys,
21:33
Speaker 4: i'm gonna tell you how you spend your free time.
21:34
Speaker 1: Now, that doesn't always go well.
21:36
Speaker 4: And I don't know what the issues are for Walker Kessler,
21:39
Speaker 4: because let's be honest, twenty eight million dollars a year.
21:41
Speaker 1: Should not be the issue here.
21:43
Speaker 3: No, and you you read it again, I'm gonna say
21:46
Speaker 3: it again. Tim McMahon wrote in that ESPN article, this
21:51
Speaker 3: is this would be the highest contract for any non
21:57
Speaker 3: All Star in NBA history, Like, this is this is
22:00
Speaker 3: not this is not just like bush league type money
22:05
Speaker 3: that the Jazz are offering here. And and I could
22:08
Speaker 3: see Walker in his camp going, okay, but you only
22:10
Speaker 3: technically gave me that much. You only you only maybe
22:14
Speaker 3: you only offered that just so that you can cover
22:16
Speaker 3: your base, like, hey.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, we didn't lowball him.
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Speaker 3: This is the highest for a non All Star in
22:21
Speaker 3: NBA history, and he clearly thinks he deserves more.
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Speaker 6: I'll say this too.
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Speaker 3: I don't know Walker's I don't know the situation with
22:30
Speaker 3: his representatives specifically, but something we have to keep in
22:34
Speaker 3: mind is, particularly with the money thing is this is
22:38
Speaker 3: not always player driven. Whether where you come out and say, well,
22:42
Speaker 3: they're irked with the amount of money. Their agents might
22:44
Speaker 3: be irked with the amount of money, and the players,
22:47
Speaker 3: and they're the ones driving everything, and the player. The player,
22:49
Speaker 3: if they're by themselves, might be like, you know what,
22:51
Speaker 3: twenty eight million, I'm I would take that, But his
22:55
Speaker 3: representatives are saying no, no, no, no, you need thirty
22:58
Speaker 3: five You're right, it apts that could be posturing here,
23:03
Speaker 3: But I'm looking at the guys who make more than
23:07
Speaker 3: that average annual value that play the position of center.
23:11
Speaker 3: And one of the luxuries you have with Walker Kesler
23:14
Speaker 3: is he is not a tweener. He is not some
23:16
Speaker 3: guy that you're just like, well, you're paying him for
23:19
Speaker 3: his three point shooting as well as being a defensive
23:21
Speaker 3: presence and a rebounder.
23:23
Speaker 1: Right.
23:23
Speaker 4: That can, in my opinion, that can really convolute contract
23:26
Speaker 4: value discussions when guys are a little bit more position less.
23:30
Speaker 4: But here are the centers that are making more money
23:33
Speaker 4: than Walker Kessler.
23:36
Speaker 3: More than the twenty eight million, with more than the
23:39
Speaker 3: average annual value. Yes, so Rudy Gobert makes thirty five
23:43
Speaker 3: million for the Minnesota Timberwolves. There is no world in
23:47
Speaker 3: which you can make an argument that you deserve the
23:49
Speaker 3: same money as Rudy Gobert. Similar similar player, though like Walker,
23:55
Speaker 3: the one is a multiple time defensive Player of the Year.
23:58
Speaker 3: But that's the guy that in his camp are like,
24:01
Speaker 3: I could be that guy, you know, so that that's
24:04
Speaker 3: who they're probably trying to compare to now, and I
24:07
Speaker 3: won't disagree with that. You could be that guy. So far,
24:10
Speaker 3: you are not that guy, and you're coming off a
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Speaker 3: season long injury rest. Okay, so in.
24:16
Speaker 1: An ideal world you are Rudy Gobert.
24:20
Speaker 3: I am not going to bet the extra seven million
24:23
Speaker 3: dollars per year over the course of five years, so
24:26
Speaker 3: thirty five million dollars total. I'm not going to bet
24:29
Speaker 3: thirty five million dollars against my salary cap that you
24:32
Speaker 3: become Rudy Gobert.
24:33
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do that. Rudy is a generationally
24:35
Speaker 4: great defensive player. I am not going to make that bet.
24:40
Speaker 4: If I'm the Jazz front office. Not when we have
24:43
Speaker 4: Keyante George we have to keep happy. Not when we
24:45
Speaker 4: have potentially a rookie superstar that five years from now
24:48
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to back up a Brinks truck for you.
24:50
Speaker 3: Got like ninety million tied up next season alone, and
24:53
Speaker 3: Lowry and just Lowry Markin and Jared Jackson Junior too.
24:57
Speaker 3: So this is all of a sudden not a cheap pay.
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Speaker 3: Alprin Shngoon is making just under thirty four million dollars
25:04
Speaker 3: a year as a center, and his game is and
25:07
Speaker 3: Walker's game are different, much different. Yeah, but Alpern Shangun
25:11
Speaker 3: makes thirty four million dollars a year. Do the Utah
25:13
Speaker 3: Jazz look at it and say, yeah, we should pay
25:15
Speaker 3: this kid the same the Rockets pay Alprinshengun. I think
25:18
Speaker 3: probably no, shnguon is. I think he's a two time
25:21
Speaker 3: All Star now, like he is a level above you
25:25
Speaker 3: in accolades, and a lot of people would say as
25:28
Speaker 3: a player in general, and this I think now we
25:31
Speaker 3: get into an area where I think Walker and his
25:34
Speaker 3: camp have a case. If we're doing the comparatives, then unfortunately,
25:37
Speaker 3: that's what you do when you have an agent or
25:40
Speaker 3: you have agents representing you and they say, uh huh,
25:43
Speaker 3: if that guy makes this, my guy makes this. The
25:46
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys are dealing with this right.
25:47
Speaker 1: Now with their wide receiving corps.
25:49
Speaker 3: Right If Chris STAPs Porzingis makes thirty one million dollars
25:56
Speaker 3: a year. Why doesn't my guy make something close to that?
26:00
Speaker 3: Now you start to have a case for yourself, and
26:02
Speaker 3: this is this next one is the one. I think
26:06
Speaker 3: that is kind of the best comparison and probably the
26:09
Speaker 3: best benchmark for Walker Kessler. Isaiah Hartenstein makes twenty eight
26:15
Speaker 3: point five million dollars a year for the Oklahoma City Thunder.
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Speaker 1: He's better than Hartenstein.
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Speaker 4: And if Walker Kessler is better than Hartenstein, and you
26:23
Speaker 4: can make you can make a case that Walker Kessler
26:27
Speaker 4: will be more important to what the Utah Jazz are
26:30
Speaker 4: trying to do than Isaiah Hartenstein is to the Oklahoma
26:35
Speaker 4: City Thunder. Where Hartenstein look love the guy, know his wife.
26:41
Speaker 4: I think Isaiah Hartenstein is the fifth best player in
26:46
Speaker 4: their starting lineup.
26:47
Speaker 3: And he a lot of He's he's kind of a
26:51
Speaker 3: fringe starter too. He's like, depending on the situation, he's
26:54
Speaker 3: a starter or he's a sixth seventh man.
26:57
Speaker 4: So yeah, so maybe that is where the impass is.
27:00
Speaker 4: Maybe that is where that's the hill you're gonna die
27:03
Speaker 4: on as the representation of Walker Kesler or for Walker
27:06
Speaker 4: Kessler himself. I'm better than that, dude, And he's playing
27:10
Speaker 4: for a team that has an MVP on it. I
27:12
Speaker 4: don't have that to make me look good, yea, so
27:16
Speaker 4: give me at least more than that guy. But I
27:19
Speaker 4: could very much see and feel justified if I'm Walker
27:22
Speaker 4: Kessler in digging my heels in there, in letting that
27:26
Speaker 4: be the impass.
27:28
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
27:29
Speaker 3: Again, I don't know enough about Walker's personal feelings to
27:32
Speaker 3: know whether or not he views his role that way,
27:36
Speaker 3: whether he views his value that way. It could it
27:39
Speaker 3: could just be, look, man, I'm I'm Rudy Gobert. You
27:42
Speaker 3: got to pay me like Rudy Gobert. I'm gonna be
27:44
Speaker 3: Rudy Gobert for you. You got to pay me like that.
27:46
Speaker 3: If I'm the Jazz, I'm saying, heck, no, dude, you
27:48
Speaker 3: have not proven that to us yet. We're so high
27:50
Speaker 3: on you, and we think you're gonna be awesome, and
27:52
Speaker 3: we think you could eventually grow into that.
27:55
Speaker 1: You're not that yet, we will.
27:58
Speaker 3: We will give you a raise is a few years
28:01
Speaker 3: from now when when we believe you will be that
28:04
Speaker 3: or maybe more. You know, like, that's that's the way
28:07
Speaker 3: that teams probably should be operating with these extensions. So
28:14
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta go through and count up. Okay,
28:17
Speaker 3: so there's one, two, three, four, there are four. Gosh,
28:26
Speaker 3: of course the internet's gonna be slowed right now. Okay,
28:29
Speaker 3: there's five, six, seven, eight nine. Okay, So that money
28:40
Speaker 3: would make him the tenth highest paid center in the league,
28:44
Speaker 3: the tenth highs paid true center in the league, with
28:47
Speaker 3: the aforementioned Rudy Goberts and alprinshingoons, Isaiah Hartenstein's Christaps porzingis
28:54
Speaker 3: ahead of him. Also Bam out of Bayo, Evan Mobley,
29:02
Speaker 3: Karl Anthony Towns, Jokic Embiid.
29:05
Speaker 4: These guys are all centers. They do not all have
29:09
Speaker 4: the same offensive limitations that Walker Kesler has.
29:13
Speaker 3: Some of them are not as proficient defensively as Walker Kessler.
29:16
Speaker 1: So it's not always apples to apples.
29:18
Speaker 3: But if you're Walker Kessler and your representation, you're trying
29:24
Speaker 3: to make a case for the Utah Jazz that you
29:26
Speaker 3: deserve to be paid maybe more like a top five
29:29
Speaker 3: center or a top six or a top seven center
29:32
Speaker 3: in the NBA. And that's where I think the question
29:35
Speaker 3: for me comes in. If I'm ranking the centers in
29:39
Speaker 3: the NBA, and you can't do it based on their
29:42
Speaker 3: game because it depends on fitting things like that, But
29:46
Speaker 3: which centers are more valuable to their team's efforts than
29:49
Speaker 3: Walker Kessler is to the Utah Jazz. And in that case,
29:52
Speaker 3: if we're going like an MVP to your franchise kind
29:55
Speaker 3: of ranking, maybe he is a top five or top
29:58
Speaker 3: six center in the NBA. The report is that five years,
30:03
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty million dollars is not gonna get
30:07
Speaker 3: it done for the Utah Jazz. And a Walker Kessler
30:09
Speaker 3: extension that is twenty eight million.
30:11
Speaker 4: Dollars a year on average, that puts him right below
30:16
Speaker 4: Isaiah Hartenstein of Oklahoma City for the average annual contract value.
30:22
Speaker 4: And if I'm a betting man that that is where
30:24
Speaker 4: that is where the conflict lies. You gotta pay me
30:28
Speaker 4: more than that dude. At least you gotta pay me
30:30
Speaker 4: more than Porzingis at least. Lots left to get to
30:34
Speaker 4: on the show today. But we're gonna take a break
30:38
Speaker 4: here and we're gonna talk a little World Cup. Marcelo Balboa,
30:41
Speaker 4: we'll remember, the US men's national team joins us to
30:45
Speaker 4: talk World Cup action. Portugal up on Democratic Republic of
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Speaker 4: We're lucky to have to welcome Marcelo Balboa, former US
31:39
Speaker 4: men's national team captain, soccer legend here in the United States.
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Speaker 1: Marcelo, Welcome to the show. How are you, buddy?
31:47
Speaker 8: How are you?
31:47
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. I appreciate you giving us some time.
31:50
Speaker 5: I sat.
31:51
Speaker 4: I started the show today gushing about just the unique
31:55
Speaker 4: nature of what the World Cup soccer brings to the
31:57
Speaker 4: American sporting landscape, because you Yesterday we watched a brace
32:02
Speaker 4: from Erling holland a brace from killing Ambappe, and then
32:05
Speaker 4: Leo Messi, the Arguable Goat, finishes the day with a
32:09
Speaker 4: hat trick and just one ups everybody. And you know,
32:13
Speaker 4: if you try to draw the equivalent in other sports,
32:16
Speaker 4: in other environments, you just you almost can't. Right, It's
32:19
Speaker 4: like very rarely did Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes and
32:22
Speaker 4: Peyton Manning all have great days on the same day
32:25
Speaker 4: and one up one another. And that's when we got
32:27
Speaker 4: yesterday just in pool play, so pretty incredible.
32:31
Speaker 9: Yeah, listen, you had for probably one of the finest
32:35
Speaker 9: days in soccer, right when you got Messi playing, you
32:38
Speaker 9: got Holland playing.
32:39
Speaker 8: I mean it's it's.
32:41
Speaker 9: You've gotten goals there where you got in Boppi. So
32:44
Speaker 9: it's one of those days where it was it was
32:46
Speaker 9: great to see because it was like who's going to
32:48
Speaker 9: out do who?
32:49
Speaker 8: You know?
32:49
Speaker 9: And Boppe scores and Holland's like, fine, I'll score too.
32:53
Speaker 9: And then if you want to talk and top it
32:55
Speaker 9: off with an espresso martini, yeah, put in Messi and
32:58
Speaker 9: you take your three goals, a.
33:01
Speaker 4: Hat trick that draws him even with the all time record,
33:04
Speaker 4: which I guess makes us assume that he will leave
33:06
Speaker 4: this World Cup as the singular holder of the World
33:09
Speaker 4: Cup goals record. And you know, we we have been
33:13
Speaker 4: discussing this. This it's probably.
33:15
Speaker 3: I don't want to make any assumptions, but it's probably
33:17
Speaker 3: the final World Cup for Leo Messi. When he is
33:22
Speaker 3: not here four years from now, what are we going
33:25
Speaker 3: to be saying about, you know, filling that void.
33:28
Speaker 9: Ah, Listen, we're we're gonna take it one step at
33:31
Speaker 9: a time. So, but yes, it will probably be the
33:33
Speaker 9: last one for him. Modridge, you're looking at probably Ronaldo,
33:37
Speaker 9: So you know, I mean that it's an end of
33:39
Speaker 9: a wonderful generation. But in four years from now, we're
33:43
Speaker 9: gonna wonder who's gonna step up and be the snack
33:45
Speaker 9: fleet er, Who's gonna step up and be the showman,
33:48
Speaker 9: who's going to lead this this next generation of athletes
33:52
Speaker 9: into that era, Because listen, you know how blessed we've been.
33:55
Speaker 9: We are blessed enough to have been with Ronaldo and
33:58
Speaker 9: Messi and Motoradge. I mean, you can keep going down
34:00
Speaker 9: the lift and Levandowski. So it'll be interesting to see
34:05
Speaker 9: the next World Cup who takes the rings of this
34:08
Speaker 9: of this Uh, we'll say, of this horse.
34:12
Speaker 1: I want to talk to US men's national team.
34:13
Speaker 4: Obviously you were a captain on this team and represented
34:15
Speaker 4: the country.
34:16
Speaker 1: Well.
34:17
Speaker 3: Uh, the the growth of the game of soccer in
34:20
Speaker 3: the United States. We've obviously seen it here locally with
34:23
Speaker 3: RSL and the success that they've had. And the only
34:26
Speaker 3: major championship we have in our professional sports community is
34:31
Speaker 3: that our that MLS Cup that RSEL won a few
34:34
Speaker 3: years back. And should we use whatever US men's national
34:39
Speaker 3: team does in this World Cup, with this Golden Generation
34:41
Speaker 3: as they've been called, should we use that as a
34:44
Speaker 3: measuring stick of just how much the game has grown
34:47
Speaker 3: in the United States.
34:50
Speaker 8: I don't think we can measure it by this or
34:52
Speaker 8: by that.
34:53
Speaker 9: I think you look at the growth of what MLS
34:55
Speaker 9: has been with new stadium, state of the art facilities.
35:00
Speaker 9: I think that's where we're going to judge the fact
35:02
Speaker 9: that a guy who everybody says is the goat, but
35:05
Speaker 9: he's playing in Major League Soccer the competition isn't great.
35:09
Speaker 8: Well, he scored three goals yesterday at the highest level
35:11
Speaker 8: possible in the World Cup.
35:13
Speaker 9: So you've got more than forty players representing MLS, and
35:18
Speaker 9: even more because you've got former players who have left
35:22
Speaker 9: the MLS and got sold in our plans for their country.
35:25
Speaker 8: So the measuring stick is our own.
35:28
Speaker 9: We measure it how we build it, how it's growing.
35:31
Speaker 8: How the fans.
35:33
Speaker 9: Show up to the stadiums. I think that's how we're
35:35
Speaker 9: going to measure where we're moving. But that stick is
35:38
Speaker 9: moving quite nicely, and I think everybody's starting to open
35:41
Speaker 9: their eyes up a little bit about where our sport is.
35:46
Speaker 4: So if very strong start to this tournament for the
35:49
Speaker 4: US men's national team with an impressive win against Pataguay
35:54
Speaker 4: and for the average soccer fan, the casual soccer fan, yeah,
35:58
Speaker 4: it's maybe a little bit difficult to level set how
36:01
Speaker 4: meaningful that win is because most of us don't know
36:04
Speaker 4: how good Paraguay is. Like how well should we should
36:07
Speaker 4: regard the competition? I mean four ones, four one, So
36:13
Speaker 4: help me out with that.
36:14
Speaker 3: How good was this Paraguay team that US spat?
36:19
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter how good was the US's that's the key. Sure,
36:22
Speaker 9: the US didn't allow them to do anything. They pressed them,
36:25
Speaker 9: they repressed them, they made them feel.
36:27
Speaker 8: Uncomfortable, They never let them get into the game.
36:30
Speaker 9: So I think that's that's what we're looking at Paraguay.
36:32
Speaker 9: And listen, they qualified out of Common Bowl. That's always
36:35
Speaker 9: a tough air because you're playing Argentina, Brazil, Columbia, Ecuador.
36:39
Speaker 9: So it's a good team. The US just came out
36:42
Speaker 9: and you know what, they showed the aggression we wanted
36:44
Speaker 9: to see. They showed the grit, they showed the mentality,
36:48
Speaker 9: and when they had a chance to finish the game off,
36:50
Speaker 9: they finished the game off. And that's what we've been
36:52
Speaker 9: waiting to see for a long time. So we're finally
36:54
Speaker 9: able to see what we've all thought this team could do.
36:58
Speaker 8: Show up.
36:58
Speaker 9: Now they've got to do it. If we're going to
37:00
Speaker 9: get a final, you got to do it seven more times,
37:02
Speaker 9: but at least two more times to get out of
37:04
Speaker 9: the the group stage.
37:06
Speaker 4: Friday coming up, Australia represented themselves well in their first
37:10
Speaker 4: match of the tournament. How do you see that game
37:13
Speaker 4: playing out?
37:15
Speaker 9: A tough game, very difficult game, only because when you
37:18
Speaker 9: look at Australia, you look at a group that plays
37:21
Speaker 9: five in the back, they play four in the midfield
37:24
Speaker 9: and they push one up top. They're very good at
37:27
Speaker 9: counter attack with Terrey and Imokure is the other forward
37:32
Speaker 9: who scored the other day. So this is going to
37:35
Speaker 9: be a very good team. But again, when you look
37:38
Speaker 9: at the first game, Turkey had thirty shots. So if
37:42
Speaker 9: they're going to allow the United States. That much time
37:45
Speaker 9: to control and that much time to do all what
37:48
Speaker 9: they're doing. The US is a dangerous team.
37:50
Speaker 3: Now.
37:50
Speaker 9: It's going to be tough because you got eleven bodies
37:53
Speaker 9: parked at a low block. But the US has enough
37:55
Speaker 9: players and I think this is where we may see
37:57
Speaker 9: Giorina come in little tighter faces. He's better at flicking
38:01
Speaker 9: balls on and moving. So, like I said, this is
38:04
Speaker 9: this is going to be a very tough challenge, not
38:06
Speaker 9: going to be easy, but I think that we've got
38:09
Speaker 9: enough of the talented players that can break down that.
38:12
Speaker 8: A living man low block.
38:14
Speaker 4: Obviously, this answer could potentially evolve over the course of play,
38:19
Speaker 4: but after one match in World Cup play with this
38:22
Speaker 4: roster set, what do you view as the greatest strength
38:26
Speaker 4: in the greatest weakness for the US men's national team.
38:29
Speaker 9: Weakness is back line, because I mean there's going to
38:32
Speaker 9: be a weakness. They get caught sometimes in transition. That's
38:35
Speaker 9: always difficult. Strengths is when this team's pressing, when this
38:40
Speaker 9: team's on its front foot, when this team's not allowing
38:42
Speaker 9: other teams to feel comfortable, that's when they're at their best.
38:44
Speaker 9: And we saw that this week, how comfortable they were
38:47
Speaker 9: pressing teams, moving line side to side. So I think
38:53
Speaker 9: that's probably the strength of this team is when they
38:56
Speaker 9: go forward.
38:59
Speaker 4: Talk about World Cup Soccer presented by Beer Bar with
39:02
Speaker 4: Marcelo Balboa, former US men's national team member and captain.
39:07
Speaker 4: When you mentioned that, you know the back line might
39:10
Speaker 4: be the weakness, and you played defense in your career, Like,
39:15
Speaker 4: what is the way to fix that?
39:17
Speaker 3: Is it a personnel problem? Is it something you can
39:20
Speaker 3: develop in a short time. I'm a I'm a novice
39:23
Speaker 3: soccer guy, so give me a sense of how they
39:25
Speaker 3: can shore that up if it is the biggest weakness.
39:27
Speaker 9: Listen, when you when you go forward with quite a
39:30
Speaker 9: few numbers. When you got Sir Genio Death going forward,
39:33
Speaker 9: you got Jedi going forward, you got Malik Killman, and
39:36
Speaker 9: you got Weston McKinney going forward. You're pushing a lot
39:40
Speaker 9: of bodies into the attack. So there's always going to
39:42
Speaker 9: be a weak point, and the week point would be
39:45
Speaker 9: the back line at that point only because you're sending.
39:48
Speaker 8: So many bodies forward.
39:49
Speaker 9: So when you look at this, the amily reason I
39:51
Speaker 9: say it's a weakness is because we're always on the
39:54
Speaker 9: front foot and we want to send bodies forward. So
39:57
Speaker 9: when you hit transition from attack into defending, that's where
40:01
Speaker 9: you got to take that foule. Slow the game down,
40:03
Speaker 9: that's where you got to, you know, push a little bit,
40:06
Speaker 9: push the lines a little higher, and sometimes you're gonna
40:08
Speaker 9: have to go man to man. So we're not the
40:10
Speaker 9: fastest in the back. But like I said, when you're
40:14
Speaker 9: willing to push the game forward and you're willing to
40:18
Speaker 9: take chances to go score goals, they're always going to
40:20
Speaker 9: be a little bit of a weakness in the back.
40:23
Speaker 4: You are sort of in the middle of your professional
40:25
Speaker 4: career the last time the United States North America hosted
40:30
Speaker 4: a World Cup, and now twenty issued years removed from that,
40:34
Speaker 4: we're doing it again.
40:35
Speaker 1: And so far, so good, it seems like.
40:38
Speaker 3: But what has so far been your assessment of the
40:41
Speaker 3: overall event of the US host cities of the broadcast?
40:47
Speaker 1: Is this a success so far?
40:49
Speaker 9: Liten, It's a success because stadiums are ninety nine percent full.
40:56
Speaker 9: It's it's a success because what we start in ninety four,
41:02
Speaker 9: we can see that full circle comeback around. The way
41:04
Speaker 9: people got behind the United States fill in bars, fill
41:07
Speaker 9: in the stadium, screaming and yelling supporting their team, and
41:12
Speaker 9: when you go back to ninety four, people really didn't
41:14
Speaker 9: know soccer. They came out, they want to see what
41:15
Speaker 9: the World Cup was about. Now we know what the
41:18
Speaker 9: World Cup's about, we know what the NASK teams about,
41:20
Speaker 9: and it is absolutely fantastic to see the support that
41:24
Speaker 9: these young men the United States are getting and how
41:28
Speaker 9: well the World Cup has been perceived.
41:30
Speaker 8: Again in the United States.
41:32
Speaker 3: This is maybe a silly question, something that we experience,
41:36
Speaker 3: especially here in Utah.
41:38
Speaker 1: The US men's national team.
41:39
Speaker 4: Everyone's rooting for the home country, but a lot of
41:43
Speaker 4: people here have a secondary allegiance because either they served
41:47
Speaker 4: an LDS mission in a certain place, they have a
41:50
Speaker 4: relative from a certain place, right, So it's like the
41:53
Speaker 4: US shirt is the primary, But then they're also pulling
41:57
Speaker 4: for Argentina, or for England, or for Cabo Verae or
42:00
Speaker 4: for whatever. You're of Argentine descent, right, So what is
42:05
Speaker 4: that like in the Belboa household?
42:08
Speaker 9: You know what, when I played for the United States,
42:10
Speaker 9: my mom and dad cheered for the United States first,
42:13
Speaker 9: and now it's Argentina. Listen, it is pure Argentina. Last
42:18
Speaker 9: time they won the World Cup, it called mom and
42:21
Speaker 9: dad and I couldn't even talk to them because they're
42:22
Speaker 9: in tears crying.
42:23
Speaker 8: How happy they were.
42:24
Speaker 9: So listen, the beauty about this World Cup is the
42:29
Speaker 9: fact that every possibility, every culture is being.
42:34
Speaker 8: Put into play.
42:34
Speaker 9: We see what the Belgians are I mean that the
42:37
Speaker 9: Belgians are doing.
42:37
Speaker 8: We see what the Norwegians are doing with a Viking.
42:40
Speaker 9: Row, the Dutch with their three man slide to one
42:43
Speaker 9: side to the other side. We're enjoying each other's cultures.
42:47
Speaker 9: So no matter what people say, you know what, Soccer
42:50
Speaker 9: is the biggest sport in the world. The World Cup
42:52
Speaker 9: is the biggest sport in the world, and it brings
42:55
Speaker 9: people together and we enjoy life. We enjoy soccer. And
42:59
Speaker 9: that's what we like to see, is people enjoying their
43:02
Speaker 9: sport and coming to support their countries and enjoying other
43:05
Speaker 9: people's culture.
43:07
Speaker 4: Is there satisfaction for someone who's kind of a foundational
43:10
Speaker 4: piece of American soccer to see the game take center stage,
43:14
Speaker 4: even if it's just for this tournament in the United States?
43:18
Speaker 4: I mean, we don't, and I'm part of the problem.
43:21
Speaker 4: We don't view soccer the same way. It's not our
43:24
Speaker 4: national pastime the way it is for almost every other
43:27
Speaker 4: nation on Earth. The passion has certainly grown a lot,
43:31
Speaker 4: but is there is there a certain amount of I
43:33
Speaker 4: don't know, gratification that you and the guys that are
43:37
Speaker 4: kind of in your same category feel when it's almost
43:41
Speaker 4: forced upon the American fan base. See look what this
43:44
Speaker 4: game is, Look how big of a deal it is,
43:46
Speaker 4: and all of us get caught.
43:47
Speaker 5: Up in it.
43:48
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I think people are. I think there's
43:51
Speaker 9: a lot of people worried about soccer.
43:52
Speaker 8: And I'll tell you why.
43:53
Speaker 9: Because the one sport that has almost a professional league
43:57
Speaker 9: in every part of the world. You can't say that
44:00
Speaker 9: about football or baseball or basketball. You go to Europe,
44:04
Speaker 9: there league, You go to Asia, you go there. You
44:06
Speaker 9: go to Africa, there's leagues. You go to South America,
44:08
Speaker 9: North America, South America, you Central America. So I think
44:12
Speaker 9: people are scared of it because they don't know it,
44:15
Speaker 9: they haven't learned it yet. And then this country, we
44:19
Speaker 9: have grown so much from ninety four.
44:22
Speaker 8: To now that people love this sport.
44:25
Speaker 9: They love either their EPL teams or they love their
44:28
Speaker 9: MLS teams, they love their national teams. So I think
44:31
Speaker 9: that's the best part of how much we've grown as
44:35
Speaker 9: a soccer country here in the United States, because you
44:38
Speaker 9: can look all over the place and we are so diverse,
44:42
Speaker 9: and most of these countries that people come from all
44:44
Speaker 9: love soccer. So we're getting there, man, we're getting there.
44:47
Speaker 9: I think we're making a lot of people nervous in
44:49
Speaker 9: other sports right now.
44:51
Speaker 1: Do you like Poschattino? So far?
44:54
Speaker 8: Love Pochettino, And I'll tell you why.
44:57
Speaker 9: Because the biggest games the three the three stage games,
45:03
Speaker 9: so Australia and Turkey, and no matter what happened before
45:08
Speaker 9: the World Cup, that does.
45:09
Speaker 8: No longer matter.
45:11
Speaker 9: What matters is what we've done in the World Cup.
45:13
Speaker 9: We will remember Pochettino for the job he did, if
45:15
Speaker 9: he doesn't leave, if he stays, we will remember Pochettino
45:19
Speaker 9: for what he did in this World Cup. Now, what
45:21
Speaker 9: happened against Belgium, Now, what happened against Portugal, We'll remember this.
45:26
Speaker 9: And he led a team out there the other night
45:29
Speaker 9: that spanked Paraguay. And that's what we wanted to see.
45:32
Speaker 9: We wanted to see an aggressive team. We want to
45:34
Speaker 9: see a free, fluid team. We want to see a
45:36
Speaker 9: team that put the ball in the back of the net.
45:38
Speaker 8: And we got it. So so far.
45:40
Speaker 9: The mission is on a straight path, and we need
45:43
Speaker 9: to keep.
45:43
Speaker 8: Going that way.
45:45
Speaker 5: All right.
45:45
Speaker 3: Before I let you go, you already told us put
45:48
Speaker 3: some context on the Australia game coming up on Friday.
45:52
Speaker 3: Does US men's national team leave that contest with a
45:55
Speaker 3: points or points?
45:57
Speaker 8: It's going to be difficult.
45:58
Speaker 9: I think they can leave with three point and if
46:00
Speaker 9: they do that and the other result, they're right where
46:03
Speaker 9: already threw into the next round with an opportunity to
46:05
Speaker 9: win the group. So I do believe the US will
46:08
Speaker 9: win this game.
46:09
Speaker 8: It will not be easy.
46:10
Speaker 9: It'll be a bud, a bloodbath because both teams are
46:13
Speaker 9: very aggressive and physical. But I think the US pulls
46:16
Speaker 9: out the three points.
46:19
Speaker 4: Appreciate you giving us some time today, Marcello. Enjoy the
46:22
Speaker 4: rest of this tournament and we'll chat again soon.
46:26
Speaker 3: You got it, buddy, Marcelo Balboa, former US men's national
46:32
Speaker 3: team captain.
46:34
Speaker 4: UH played for the Colorado Rapids. That's probably where most
46:37
Speaker 4: RSL fans know him from his time in the late
46:40
Speaker 4: nineties early two thousands for the Colorado Rapids. He also
46:46
Speaker 4: I should have asked him about this. He also was
46:50
Speaker 4: a place kicker for Soritos Junior College was it really
46:55
Speaker 4: while also being an All American soccer player, he was
46:59
Speaker 4: moon as the placekicker for the football team in Juco.
47:03
Speaker 1: Definitely something.
47:04
Speaker 3: If we get him on again, we're gonna We're gonna
47:06
Speaker 3: have to ask him because I wonder if that was
47:11
Speaker 3: you know what soccer's at that time. Soccer's not that
47:14
Speaker 3: big a deal here. What if I do really well placekicking,
47:18
Speaker 3: I could have I could have a career as a placekicker.
47:21
Speaker 5: Maybe.
47:22
Speaker 3: I wonder if that was like hedging his athletic bets
47:25
Speaker 3: there maybe, or maybe you just thought it was fun. Yeah, DRC, baby,
47:32
Speaker 3: they just tie it up, Democratic Republic of Congo with
47:37
Speaker 3: a header on a beautiful cross, puts it in the
47:40
Speaker 3: back of the net.
47:41
Speaker 1: We are one to one Portugal and Congo.
47:45
Speaker 3: And the Congo faithful are going nuts in the stadium.
47:50
Speaker 3: I believe this one's in Houston, if I'm not mistaken.
47:53
Speaker 3: They're going nuts in the stadium, the players doing a
47:56
Speaker 3: little dance there.
47:59
Speaker 1: You love like goals in soccer.
48:02
Speaker 3: If you're a soccer fan, they are the thing, right,
48:05
Speaker 3: It's even better at the World Cup. You love to
48:08
Speaker 3: see and especially underdog nations like that. When you score,
48:11
Speaker 3: it's like the greatest thing that ever happened in the
48:13
Speaker 3: history of the world.
48:14
Speaker 1: You love that.
48:15
Speaker 3: So one of our great fighters in the PFL. His
48:19
Speaker 3: parents are from Congo and they are one of the
48:23
Speaker 3: coolest families you could ever meet. I wish I was
48:26
Speaker 3: at their watch party right now because I just know
48:29
Speaker 3: they're going absolutely insane.
48:32
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful header.
48:34
Speaker 3: They're showing the replay one of those classic like the
48:38
Speaker 3: get the ball on your get your head to the
48:41
Speaker 3: ball and then whip it towards the goal kind of thing.
48:44
Speaker 3: Like incredible goal for the for Congo. Really incredible stuff.
48:48
Speaker 3: One one World Cup soccer. And it's halftime now, so
48:53
Speaker 3: that that was quite almost literally at the buzzer at
48:57
Speaker 3: the halftime buzzer.
48:58
Speaker 1: You love that.
48:59
Speaker 7: Uh.
48:59
Speaker 4: Big thanks to Marcelo Balboa for joining us. Big thanks
49:02
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49:05
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49:09
Speaker 4: going on for the entire World Cup tournament. Get over there,
49:12
Speaker 4: all right, We're not gonna spend a ton of time
49:14
Speaker 4: on this today, but it's a hot lunch topic. There's
49:17
Speaker 4: a social media post out there for I think it
49:20
Speaker 4: was Neil pau who is now doing some wide receiver
49:22
Speaker 4: training for high schoolers, for people that are trying to
49:25
Speaker 4: get better at that particular craft. That shows Parker Kingston
49:31
Speaker 4: practicing working out this week at the BYU indoor facility,
49:37
Speaker 4: and it stirred up a lot of that well stirt
49:42
Speaker 4: up a lot of reaction, as one might expect, given
49:44
Speaker 4: the context of where he's at in his status with BYU,
49:47
Speaker 4: expelled from school, off the football team, and of course
49:50
Speaker 4: awaiting trial in Saint George. So I want to talk
49:55
Speaker 4: about that briefly because I think it is meaningful that
49:57
Speaker 4: he's there on campus.
49:59
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Speaker 1: All right.
50:52
Speaker 4: I reached out, I asked some questions about Parker Kingston
50:56
Speaker 4: training at the BYU indoor practice facility. It was with
51:02
Speaker 4: a third party, all right. Neil Paou does third party training.
51:07
Speaker 4: He rents the facility, and so that might matter to you,
51:11
Speaker 4: right that he's not there in any kind of even
51:13
Speaker 4: semi official capacity with the BYU football team or any
51:18
Speaker 4: BYU football players active BYU football players organizing these things
51:22
Speaker 4: as like the voluntary workouts, it was not one of those.
51:26
Speaker 4: It was during for lack of a better term, private time,
51:29
Speaker 4: rented time at the facility. But I do believe you
51:36
Speaker 4: know BYU is this. It's a really intricate organization that
51:40
Speaker 4: enforces their rules carefully and most of the time to
51:44
Speaker 4: the very letter of the law. Parker Kingston's trial was delayed.
51:49
Speaker 4: It was supposed to be back in May. It is
51:52
Speaker 4: delayed until July sixth. There have been several motions to
51:57
Speaker 4: dismiss certain testimonies and certain amount of evidence. There's not
52:01
Speaker 4: a plea deal being reached and the prosecution, so the
52:08
Speaker 4: legal team for the young woman who is accused Parker Kingston,
52:11
Speaker 4: has asked for the judge to be recused and disqualified
52:15
Speaker 4: from the proceedings because they feel like that judge is
52:19
Speaker 4: giving Parker Kingston preferential treatment because he is an athlete
52:22
Speaker 4: or because he was a student athlete. It does not
52:28
Speaker 4: if you're reading tea leaves and if you're talking to
52:30
Speaker 4: people who exist in this you know.
52:33
Speaker 1: Trial law world.
52:36
Speaker 3: Some of the things that we're seeing, and again this
52:39
Speaker 3: is not the opinions of ESPN seven hundred, Some of
52:43
Speaker 3: the things that we are seeing indicate that there might
52:46
Speaker 3: not be a ton of confidence from the prosecution side
52:50
Speaker 3: that they're going to get the outcome that they're looking for.
52:53
Speaker 3: Of course, the trial is the only thing that's going
52:55
Speaker 3: to determine that. I don't know whether one result or
52:59
Speaker 3: another in the.
52:59
Speaker 4: Tri well, obviously, one result in a trial leads to
53:03
Speaker 4: Parker Kingston going to prison, and that's how it should
53:06
Speaker 4: be if he perpetrated the acts that he is accused of,
53:10
Speaker 4: if he has seen if he is exonerated of these crimes.
53:17
Speaker 4: I don't know that it changes his future at BYU
53:19
Speaker 4: because his defense on the honor code front is moot.
53:24
Speaker 6: Doesn't matter.
53:26
Speaker 3: His defense legally is consent, which obviously matters a ton
53:30
Speaker 3: in court. I don't know if that matters at BYU.
53:35
Speaker 3: I do think that BYU is in most cases at
53:40
Speaker 3: least aware of who is on their campus and who
53:42
Speaker 3: is on their facilities and things like that. And I
53:45
Speaker 3: believe that they would have a problem with it if
53:50
Speaker 3: they thought that Parker Kingston was going to be found guilty. Again,
53:55
Speaker 3: I don't speak for anybody at BYU, but knowing what
53:59
Speaker 3: I know about that program, the people around that program,
54:02
Speaker 3: if they believe that Parker Kingston was guilty of these crimes,
54:06
Speaker 3: he would not be on campus working out.
54:10
Speaker 1: Now, their belief doesn't matter.
54:12
Speaker 3: The belief that matters is, of course, the belief of
54:16
Speaker 3: a jury, but for the social media context of a
54:23
Speaker 3: bunch of folks, especially you tough fans and certain BYU fans.
54:27
Speaker 3: I got BYU friends in my text messages saying what
54:31
Speaker 3: are we doing? This is a terrible look for us,
54:34
Speaker 3: And absolutely it is if a trial, if the trial
54:38
Speaker 3: goes against Parker Kingston, it's absolutely a horrendous look. If
54:43
Speaker 3: you are even on that campus believing that they could
54:46
Speaker 3: go against him, it's probably a bad look either way,
54:50
Speaker 3: because he is accused of and out on bail four
54:54
Speaker 3: one of the worst, most heinous crimes that a man
54:56
Speaker 3: can commit. But we are all innocent until proven guilty
55:02
Speaker 3: in the American legal system. And I am not an expert,
55:06
Speaker 3: a legal expert by any stretch of the imagination. But
55:09
Speaker 3: people who are are telling me that there are some
55:12
Speaker 3: things happening that are not indicative of a strong prosecuting case.
55:19
Speaker 3: And if that is the case, as I have said before,
55:21
Speaker 3: and I get really uncomfortable talking about this stuff, if
55:26
Speaker 3: this was a false accusation. Look, if it's a true accusation,
55:30
Speaker 3: somebody deserves to be in prison. If it's a false accusation,
55:33
Speaker 3: somebody deserves to be in jail. Parker Kingston will have
55:41
Speaker 3: his day in court. And so far right now, that
55:45
Speaker 3: is July sixth, and so far right now, that is
55:47
Speaker 3: with the original judge assigned to the case, after the
55:50
Speaker 3: prosecuting team asked for that judge to be disqualified because
55:53
Speaker 3: of their claim that he gave preferential treatment to Parker Kingston,
55:58
Speaker 3: mentioning that well, you know, he's got school, potentially he's
56:01
Speaker 3: got a football season coming. And also, uh, there was
56:07
Speaker 3: the victim. The alleged victim was supposed to be granted anonymity,
56:11
Speaker 3: and the judge mentioned her name twice in court, so
56:16
Speaker 3: the prosecuting the prosecutors like what are you doing. You're
56:20
Speaker 3: not supposed to say that person's ay, it's not supposed
56:22
Speaker 3: to be part of the public record. We don't want
56:24
Speaker 3: her to get docks and all this stuff. And the
56:27
Speaker 3: judge said, well, it was an accident basically. That's uh.
56:33
Speaker 3: That's another judge that I'm not sure is doing the
56:38
Speaker 3: right thing in the last couple weeks in a completely
56:40
Speaker 3: different situation, of course, talking about the Brendan sourceb injunction
56:45
Speaker 3: judge as well. But I'll just say this with this,
56:50
Speaker 3: regardless of how the criminal case turns out, regardless of
56:56
Speaker 3: what people are in BAU football coaches, whoever it is,
57:01
Speaker 3: it's in power that knows about this. That's like, yeah,
57:04
Speaker 3: go ahead and work out our facility. When you have
57:07
Speaker 3: a pending legal case, especially one of that nature, tell
57:11
Speaker 3: Parker Kingston as people, you're gonna have to find somewhere
57:14
Speaker 3: else to work out that this is not This is
57:17
Speaker 3: not the right thing that they that they did allowing
57:21
Speaker 3: him on their campus, in my opinion. But if after
57:25
Speaker 3: if it works out in his favor this case, and
57:28
Speaker 3: then you're like, yeah, we still want to support you
57:30
Speaker 3: as a football player. Whatever you want to do going forward, sure,
57:33
Speaker 3: come back come back and work out with us. I
57:35
Speaker 3: would not have near as a problem with this. The
57:37
Speaker 3: fact that it's pending and the nature of the case.
57:40
Speaker 3: Keep that kid away from your campus, away from your
57:43
Speaker 3: program until we know how it's going to turn out.
57:45
Speaker 1: It seems like a simple thing to me.
57:47
Speaker 3: It seems pretty simple to me too, And I wouldn't
57:49
Speaker 3: be surprised if this is the last time we see
57:52
Speaker 3: Parker Kingston, at least publicly on that campus until this
57:56
Speaker 3: whole thing works out.
57:57
Speaker 1: Because pr matters, It matters, resolutely.
57:59
Speaker 4: Does it matters for every university, It certainly matters for
58:02
Speaker 4: that one, most right, So.
58:07
Speaker 1: I would believe.
58:09
Speaker 3: That, oh yeah, he just showed up for a workout
58:12
Speaker 3: with like a third private, third party kind of situation,
58:15
Speaker 3: got invited.
58:16
Speaker 1: But again, that's that's indicat Like, I don't know.
58:19
Speaker 3: Neil Paou at all, But if you're out there working
58:24
Speaker 3: out with that dude, if you're if he's a part
58:26
Speaker 3: of your workout, to me, that indicates you don't believe
58:30
Speaker 3: that he did anything wrong, even if he's my best friend.
58:34
Speaker 3: If I believe my best friend did that to somebody,
58:38
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say the word. In case kids are
58:40
Speaker 3: in the car and I don't want to. I don't
58:41
Speaker 3: want parents to have to explain what that means. Right,
58:45
Speaker 3: If I believe that my best friend did that, I'm
58:47
Speaker 3: not working out with my best friend.
58:49
Speaker 1: I'm not hanging out with him, I'm not.
58:51
Speaker 3: Inviting them to my Hey, let's go throw let's go
58:54
Speaker 3: run some routes together. So there's a pretty strong indication, again,
58:58
Speaker 3: no proof, but a pretty strong indication that people who
59:03
Speaker 3: feel like they have more information than I do on
59:05
Speaker 3: this do not believe the accuser and do not believe
59:08
Speaker 3: he's guilty of anything. Because if you believed or even
59:11
Speaker 3: questioned whether he was guilty of that, you're not bringing
59:15
Speaker 3: him to your workout period. And I just again, that's fine.
59:21
Speaker 3: You have more information, you can believe what you want
59:23
Speaker 3: to believe. I'm not here to say they're wrong for
59:27
Speaker 3: believing that or not, or that they're right for believing that.
59:29
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, just wait till the case is over
59:33
Speaker 3: before before you do something like that publicly, certainly at
59:37
Speaker 3: the university where he's been.
59:38
Speaker 1: Kicked out for this, for this pending legal case.
59:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we don't need to go down the
59:45
Speaker 3: rabbit hole of Jake Rhets laugh was on campus working
59:47
Speaker 3: out in preparation for pro days and things like that either,
59:50
Speaker 3: but not a dissimilar situation. Also not exactly the same
59:56
Speaker 3: because that was a civil case. That was a totally
59:59
Speaker 3: different deal in the world of legal responsibility.
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Speaker 1: In any case, I thought it needed to be addressed.
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Speaker 4: It was a big thing on social media this week
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Speaker 4: in the Utah sports world.
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Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonna have to say about it. Take
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Speaker 3: a break here. Jeff Schwartz joins us. Next Brendan Soorsby
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Speaker 3: What kind of a pick are you okay with your
1:00:51
Speaker 3: team bidding on Brendan Soresby in a supplemental draft? The
1:00:57
Speaker 3: question will be answered presumably younger than later, as Brendan
1:01:02
Speaker 3: Soresby is said to enter the supplemental draft.
1:01:04
Speaker 4: He has stopped his legal battle. He's not going to
1:01:06
Speaker 4: try to play a Texas Tech after all the gambling scandal.
1:01:10
Speaker 4: Jeff Schwartz joins us to talk about it. Jeff in
1:01:13
Speaker 4: a unique position here. He is a former NFL player,
1:01:16
Speaker 4: and he also happens to be a sports gambling officionado.
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Speaker 1: Jeff, how are you?
1:01:23
Speaker 10: I'm good as someone who is an aficionado. I like
1:01:26
Speaker 10: Portugal to take some more shots in this match right now.
1:01:28
Speaker 1: But how are you doing so far on your World
1:01:32
Speaker 1: Cup wagers?
1:01:32
Speaker 10: I'm just tailing my guy bear. It's so funny, man.
1:01:38
Speaker 10: I don't watch a ton of soccer, but every sport
1:01:41
Speaker 10: that's sort of the same principles like are true, right,
1:01:44
Speaker 10: Like when you watch sports, you can see, like which
1:01:47
Speaker 10: teams are playing more aggressively, right, It doesn't take a
1:01:51
Speaker 10: lot to notice that. And like this, Portugal is playing
1:01:54
Speaker 10: Congo right now, and they Portugal's two shots the entire
1:01:57
Speaker 10: first half, even though they've controlled the ball eighty percent
1:02:00
Speaker 10: of the time. Congo's got six shots they have. It's
1:02:02
Speaker 10: tied at one. It's like, well, yeah, one team's shooting
1:02:05
Speaker 10: more shots, Like it's not. It's not a mystery sometimes
1:02:08
Speaker 10: in sports, like one team's playing more aggressing the other team.
1:02:11
Speaker 10: It's not a mystery why one team's winning or one
1:02:13
Speaker 10: team one game's tied. You don't have to watch a
1:02:16
Speaker 10: sport religiously to sort of get the pace of what's happening.
1:02:19
Speaker 4: I do love what the Olympics in the World Cup
1:02:22
Speaker 4: do for us in that, you know, for a few weeks,
1:02:25
Speaker 4: I just feel entitled to become an expert on something
1:02:29
Speaker 4: I really have no idea about. You know, during the Olympics,
1:02:32
Speaker 4: I am really really technical on my evaluation of oh yeah,
1:02:36
Speaker 4: gymnastics and track and field, and then during this World
1:02:39
Speaker 4: Cup I'm like, oh yeah, let me talk soccer for
1:02:42
Speaker 4: thirty minutes. Well, the actual soccer people are probably like,
1:02:45
Speaker 4: this guy's a moron.
1:02:46
Speaker 10: I haven't done any really soccer coverage for me this
1:02:49
Speaker 10: time around, so I'm just watching it when you know
1:02:51
Speaker 10: it's on TV. I things do later say, I'm not
1:02:53
Speaker 10: gonna be saying in front of a TV watching the
1:02:56
Speaker 10: Olympics to be the Olympics the World Cup, But I mean,
1:02:59
Speaker 10: if it's on, I'm gonna uh, you know, tune into
1:03:01
Speaker 10: I want I want to be part of the conversation
1:03:03
Speaker 10: I have found it.
1:03:05
Speaker 5: I don't know if.
1:03:06
Speaker 10: They're gaslighting us or the European fans are really being
1:03:11
Speaker 10: being genuine with their excitement over these NFL stadiums these
1:03:14
Speaker 10: games are in. Some of them have no personality. What's
1:03:17
Speaker 10: like Medlife Stadium has no personality. It's like the most boring,
1:03:20
Speaker 10: bland stadium of all time. And these guys coming from
1:03:23
Speaker 10: Europe like this is the greatest thing I've ever seen
1:03:25
Speaker 10: in my life. And so I tweeted that out and
1:03:28
Speaker 10: people were telling me, I guess that the English Premier
1:03:30
Speaker 10: League teams are.
1:03:31
Speaker 5: Not very like nice and have a lot of amenities.
1:03:34
Speaker 10: Just a lot of them are old. And so maybe
1:03:36
Speaker 10: it's being they're being truthful. They really like seeing. You know,
1:03:40
Speaker 10: some of these these American football stadiums.
1:03:44
Speaker 4: Well I think that, yeah, it depends on what country
1:03:47
Speaker 4: we're talking about. But but some of those European football stadiums,
1:03:50
Speaker 4: European soccer stadiums, they're just old. There's one that's like
1:03:54
Speaker 4: in a neighborhood, it's I know, see that one, Yeah,
1:03:56
Speaker 4: you know so, And that's what promotion relegation does. You
1:04:00
Speaker 4: can have it like a top level team that's playing
1:04:03
Speaker 4: in a junior college stadium effectively.
1:04:05
Speaker 5: So I'm telling you, we gotta do their relegation in
1:04:07
Speaker 5: college football. Can you imagine?
1:04:09
Speaker 4: I you know, we talked about that when we did
1:04:11
Speaker 4: our show together. Yes, it's not possible because no one
1:04:15
Speaker 4: would agree to it, but man, it would be awesome
1:04:16
Speaker 4: this If the stakes were that high for teams at
1:04:21
Speaker 4: the bottom of the SEC, or that high for teams
1:04:24
Speaker 4: at the top of the Sunbelt Conference, it would just
1:04:26
Speaker 4: be so fascinating.
1:04:28
Speaker 10: It would be imagine week you know, twelve, and it's
1:04:31
Speaker 10: like you have this this game where you know, you
1:04:35
Speaker 10: have two teams like Missie here in the SEC from
1:04:37
Speaker 10: last year, Like what if you had like it would
1:04:40
Speaker 10: be South Carolina Arkansas, right, and they just there playing
1:04:44
Speaker 10: each other at the end of the year, and the
1:04:45
Speaker 10: loser has to go to the to the to the
1:04:49
Speaker 10: Conference USA.
1:04:50
Speaker 1: For a year like James Madison is in the SEC
1:04:54
Speaker 1: this year.
1:04:54
Speaker 10: Yeah, it would be incredible. It would just be incredible,
1:04:57
Speaker 10: incredible action. We love it very much.
1:05:00
Speaker 4: I actually the I think it was Mauricio Poshatino, who's
1:05:02
Speaker 4: the US men's national team coach, who was talking about that,
1:05:06
Speaker 4: said that because you don't have promotion and relegation. In
1:05:09
Speaker 4: American sports, you just fire coaches instead because the stakes.
1:05:14
Speaker 3: That's where the stakes are. It's like do you get
1:05:17
Speaker 3: to keep your job or not? And I thought that
1:05:18
Speaker 3: was an interesting observation from someone who obviously has a
1:05:21
Speaker 3: much different perspective.
1:05:23
Speaker 5: The fact that you should know the coach's name. I
1:05:25
Speaker 5: have no idea.
1:05:27
Speaker 4: I know his name because I have two very very
1:05:30
Speaker 4: strong grievances against him. Oh and uh will air those
1:05:34
Speaker 4: on Friday in the air grievances on the show. But
1:05:37
Speaker 4: one of them, the most important one, is because he
1:05:39
Speaker 4: left our local guy. He left the moon man, Diego
1:05:42
Speaker 4: Luna from Rial Salt Lake. He left him off the roster.
1:05:46
Speaker 5: Well, you have an area agrievances segment.
1:05:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, on Fridays.
1:05:50
Speaker 5: Oh, I feel like that's like that's one of my alley.
1:05:52
Speaker 1: It's you know what we might we might call you.
1:05:55
Speaker 1: It's one thirty every Friday.
1:05:56
Speaker 3: We might call you on a Friday and just be like, hey,
1:05:59
Speaker 3: we haven't got a lot for the listeners.
1:06:00
Speaker 1: What what's your agreements?
1:06:01
Speaker 5: Where to begin? Where to begin?
1:06:05
Speaker 10: I could I have an airing of many grievances could
1:06:08
Speaker 10: begin at any point. Well, and I feel again like
1:06:12
Speaker 10: more and more every day, Like like Larry David, just
1:06:15
Speaker 10: everything around me. You are just hate everything around me.
1:06:18
Speaker 1: You are like the gigantic Larry David for sure.
1:06:21
Speaker 10: I'm trying to get Mareth to watch KERR and she
1:06:23
Speaker 10: won't do it, and I'm like, why why not?
1:06:26
Speaker 3: Like, well, she's already married to curb your enthusiasm, she
1:06:28
Speaker 3: doesn't need to watch it.
1:06:30
Speaker 10: But I'm like, I feel like Mareth would resident very
1:06:32
Speaker 10: much with Susie. I think that would be like her Like.
1:06:38
Speaker 1: That's not a flattering comparison for your comparing.
1:06:41
Speaker 10: Them per se, But I feel like the like her
1:06:44
Speaker 10: suit's sort of f you attitude would would be what
1:06:48
Speaker 10: we messed very well with my wife.
1:06:50
Speaker 4: By the way, the PFL officially announced the Charlotte card today.
1:06:55
Speaker 5: The Charlotte card today. Oh man, who we? Who we?
1:06:57
Speaker 5: Who were carding up here? You gotta take a look here.
1:07:01
Speaker 1: Ryan Battle or Dalton Roster. Who you got in the
1:07:03
Speaker 1: main event?
1:07:04
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Man.
1:07:05
Speaker 10: For those who are maybe are like I don't really
1:07:08
Speaker 10: do MMA. I get I don't watch I don't wanna
1:07:10
Speaker 10: watch UFC. I didn't watch this weekend. I just have
1:07:12
Speaker 10: never had much interest in it. But I'll tell you what,
1:07:15
Speaker 10: that was so much fun. Like if you can go
1:07:17
Speaker 10: in person, it just was like it was I just
1:07:20
Speaker 10: didn't know what to expect, and it was like when
1:07:22
Speaker 10: it started getting going because the fights just it just happened.
1:07:25
Speaker 10: When after I thought it would be like a break
1:07:26
Speaker 10: between them, it's like nope, they just keep rolling through
1:07:29
Speaker 10: and they just he just goes and goes and goes
1:07:31
Speaker 10: and goes.
1:07:31
Speaker 5: It was so much fun, Dude, I can't wait to
1:07:33
Speaker 5: go again.
1:07:34
Speaker 4: Well, I'm excited to come down and hang out the
1:07:39
Speaker 4: the task at hand. The matter at hand here is
1:07:42
Speaker 4: as Portugal just had a goal called back for offside.
1:07:45
Speaker 5: It looks like.
1:07:48
Speaker 3: Brandon Soresby after that two weeks saga of you know,
1:07:53
Speaker 3: Texas Tech versus the world, it's just waved the white
1:07:56
Speaker 3: flag and said, all right, fine, we're I'm I'm not
1:07:58
Speaker 3: gonna do this. I'm gonna go into the NFL supplemental Draft.
1:08:02
Speaker 3: And that's part of the reason I wanted to bring
1:08:04
Speaker 3: you on, because, yeah, the supplemental draft is like it's
1:08:07
Speaker 3: kind of convoluted. It's a little bit weird compared to
1:08:09
Speaker 3: the regular draft. Right where they the teams get sorted
1:08:13
Speaker 3: into these three buckets, and then the order from those
1:08:16
Speaker 3: three buckets is pulled randomly. But ultimately everyone gets a
1:08:20
Speaker 3: chance to bid a future draft pick on Brendan Soresby.
1:08:24
Speaker 3: Where is like, what is the price do you think
1:08:27
Speaker 3: in this supplemental draft to get Brendan Soresby because next
1:08:30
Speaker 3: year he was probably gonna be a first round draft pick?
1:08:34
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I think so you're the think about it
1:08:36
Speaker 10: this way, right, So when you when you bid on
1:08:39
Speaker 10: him this year, you give up that pick next year? Right, correct?
1:08:41
Speaker 10: So you have to figure that just from like the
1:08:43
Speaker 10: base level. It's a big quarterback draft, right next season?
1:08:47
Speaker 10: And if your team, are you willing to give up
1:08:51
Speaker 10: a first this year to give up your first next year?
1:08:54
Speaker 7: Right?
1:08:54
Speaker 10: If you don't know how good you're gonna be this year,
1:08:56
Speaker 10: you don't know where you're gonna finish, you'll know if
1:08:58
Speaker 10: you want to trade that pick eventually. You just don't
1:08:59
Speaker 10: know these things, right, You don't know. You just have
1:09:01
Speaker 10: no idea, right, just you don't know yet. So I
1:09:04
Speaker 10: will give him a firs Is he vacive of a
1:09:06
Speaker 10: player to give him a first round pick in the future?
1:09:08
Speaker 5: Four?
1:09:09
Speaker 10: But what makes the discussion so difficult is that he
1:09:13
Speaker 10: has his cameray addiction we talked about last week.
1:09:16
Speaker 5: I feel like it's interesting how.
1:09:18
Speaker 10: The addiction sort of went away right, Like Texas Tech
1:09:21
Speaker 10: was so vocal and like, guys, I don't know if
1:09:24
Speaker 10: he can play, like he's got this addiction, like.
1:09:26
Speaker 5: We're gonna help him out. Now it's like, ah, well,
1:09:28
Speaker 5: I guess you go in the NFL.
1:09:29
Speaker 10: He'll suit up and play, he'll be fine, which I
1:09:32
Speaker 10: think we talked about, like he clearly has an addiction,
1:09:34
Speaker 10: but it felt like they were using that as the
1:09:38
Speaker 10: crux for like why he shouldn't be punished at all,
1:09:41
Speaker 10: And now all of a sudden he's out of school
1:09:43
Speaker 10: and it's like.
1:09:44
Speaker 5: Oh, well, I guess he's fine. Now we can go
1:09:46
Speaker 5: play an NFL.
1:09:46
Speaker 10: Like it just never made sense to me how they
1:09:49
Speaker 10: used the addiction to try to get it made sense
1:09:51
Speaker 10: A shit. I just thought it was a wrong application
1:09:53
Speaker 10: of mental health right in this situation. And now all
1:09:56
Speaker 10: of a sudden, he's fine. But you have to worry
1:10:00
Speaker 10: if through the NFL, because if his addiction is as
1:10:03
Speaker 10: strong right as text Tech people would let us believe,
1:10:07
Speaker 10: I'm not thinking it's not strong. I think some of
1:10:10
Speaker 10: the wagers who's making were very addictive behavior. What if
1:10:16
Speaker 10: he does it in the NFL, he's banned for life
1:10:18
Speaker 10: in the NFL, right or at least band a year
1:10:21
Speaker 10: right now for a year. So are you going to
1:10:27
Speaker 10: draft the guy with a high draft pick, who might
1:10:30
Speaker 10: who might wager in the NFL? Right, who might have
1:10:33
Speaker 10: addictions so deep and so strong that he cost himself
1:10:36
Speaker 10: his an NFL career. That's a huge role in this, Right,
1:10:39
Speaker 10: They're going to be NFL owners, and this is this
1:10:42
Speaker 10: is a decision by the way that we'll be made
1:10:44
Speaker 10: at the ownership level. Right, this is non decision that
1:10:46
Speaker 10: will be made solely by the coach or general manager.
1:10:49
Speaker 10: There's going to be a lot of NFL owners that
1:10:53
Speaker 10: just will have him off the board just we're not
1:10:57
Speaker 10: drafting him.
1:10:58
Speaker 5: There's not.
1:11:00
Speaker 10: So there's a limited pool I think of players that
1:11:03
Speaker 10: to be teams that would already that would draft him.
1:11:06
Speaker 10: And on top of that, you have I you know,
1:11:11
Speaker 10: maybe half of those teams that would say, he's just
1:11:12
Speaker 10: not gonna he's not draftable for us, our our our
1:11:14
Speaker 10: ownership won't let us do it. So I think it's
1:11:17
Speaker 10: a small number. I think it's I've always found a
1:11:18
Speaker 10: fourth round pick, or you know, no earlier than the
1:11:21
Speaker 10: fourth round. It's a day three pick, right, sean day
1:11:24
Speaker 10: three pick that feels about right.
1:11:27
Speaker 3: Which at the end of the day could prove to
1:11:29
Speaker 3: be an incredible value if you're willing to take that risk.
1:11:34
Speaker 10: Yeah, but again, like the Browns have already said, we're out, Like,
1:11:38
Speaker 10: what do you you know?
1:11:40
Speaker 5: I don't. I just don't.
1:11:41
Speaker 10: I just don't know if it's worth it, you know,
1:11:44
Speaker 10: if the addiction is a strong, look, the NFL team
1:11:46
Speaker 10: is going to do all the background check, all the work.
1:11:51
Speaker 10: How about Texas Tech? Bro wrote real quickly, they put
1:11:54
Speaker 10: that video.
1:11:55
Speaker 3: That video is going to be studied as the worst
1:11:59
Speaker 3: pr move in the history of college football.
1:12:02
Speaker 10: And I argued at the time, this is like four
1:12:05
Speaker 10: days ago, right, like, what what is the what is
1:12:08
Speaker 10: the outcome that Texas Tech feels? Like, Man, we were
1:12:12
Speaker 10: this is worth it all? It would have win a
1:12:14
Speaker 10: championship of course, right, but their defense is not as
1:12:16
Speaker 10: good this season, correct, and Soresby was good last year,
1:12:22
Speaker 10: not not great.
1:12:25
Speaker 5: And they were only winning a championship.
1:12:27
Speaker 10: So I even I didn't even know, like what would
1:12:29
Speaker 10: have been worth this whole hassle?
1:12:31
Speaker 3: Well, that was kind of my initial I don't know
1:12:35
Speaker 3: if outrage is the right word for it, but it
1:12:37
Speaker 3: made so little sense to me that you are dragging
1:12:41
Speaker 3: your own reputation through the mud. You are putting all
1:12:45
Speaker 3: your other players, your coach, your athletic department, You're putting
1:12:48
Speaker 3: all these people in this really terrible position for what
1:12:52
Speaker 3: for what outcome?
1:12:53
Speaker 1: For what player?
1:12:54
Speaker 5: Right?
1:12:54
Speaker 3: I mean, if this was like Reggie Bush, it would
1:12:58
Speaker 3: still be questionable for for Brendan Soresby.
1:13:02
Speaker 1: It made so little sense.
1:13:03
Speaker 10: To me, And I get, like, you know, you have
1:13:07
Speaker 10: a situation where you're you're you're you paid all this
1:13:09
Speaker 10: money right for this quarterback, and you're in a situation
1:13:12
Speaker 10: where you think you're really close and and you know,
1:13:14
Speaker 10: I get, I get't want to defend him, I get that,
1:13:18
Speaker 10: but it just it It didn't make sense at the time,
1:13:22
Speaker 10: and it makes sense now.
1:13:23
Speaker 5: And it seems very much like.
1:13:27
Speaker 10: The the Big Twelve was ready to go to battle
1:13:30
Speaker 10: over this.
1:13:31
Speaker 1: They were, and the rest of college football was too.
1:13:33
Speaker 1: If the Big Twelve wasn't gonna be able to do so.
1:13:36
Speaker 10: And I see I see the pushback on this, like, oh,
1:13:39
Speaker 10: he's just young, and and you know, there's there's a
1:13:42
Speaker 10: lot of addiction in young men, and gamble is one
1:13:45
Speaker 10: of them. And then how there's all these ads out
1:13:47
Speaker 10: there for all these different sports books, and you know,
1:13:49
Speaker 10: how can we as a society judge a young man
1:13:52
Speaker 10: for for this?
1:13:53
Speaker 5: And I'm I've simply all those things, right, I.
1:13:56
Speaker 10: Know people that had gambling addictions and have gone to
1:13:59
Speaker 10: you to rehab and whatnot. And it's a real thing, right,
1:14:02
Speaker 10: just like everything else that we have, that there could
1:14:04
Speaker 10: be addictions, right, So I sympathize with that. But I
1:14:08
Speaker 10: think a lot of us want some sort of uniform
1:14:14
Speaker 10: rules in place, right for college sports and in different
1:14:17
Speaker 10: degrees of it.
1:14:18
Speaker 3: Right.
1:14:18
Speaker 10: I don't think that I want as many as maybe
1:14:20
Speaker 10: you do, but the theeds be something, right. I think
1:14:23
Speaker 10: a lot of people looked at this case as it's
1:14:27
Speaker 10: a very black and white rule that he broke, and
1:14:30
Speaker 10: if nothing happens for him, there's just no chance that
1:14:33
Speaker 10: we ever get a system that makes sense.
1:14:35
Speaker 3: Right, So like if that Pandora's box opened after we've
1:14:38
Speaker 3: opened all the other ones, yeah, if that one also opened,
1:14:42
Speaker 3: then yeah, I mean the precedent would have been really terrible.
1:14:46
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:14:46
Speaker 4: But by the way, I that's another thing that I think.
1:14:49
Speaker 1: Hopefully, I hopefully we use.
1:14:52
Speaker 3: This, and I know it won't happen, but I hope
1:14:54
Speaker 3: we do use this as kind of a springboard to
1:14:58
Speaker 3: look at all the other things. Right, It's like people
1:15:00
Speaker 3: are like, this is the hard fast rule that you
1:15:03
Speaker 3: cannot break if you want to play college football, and
1:15:06
Speaker 3: everyone was in agreement on that except for Texas Tech.
1:15:08
Speaker 3: Like everyone in the country is just like, well, you
1:15:11
Speaker 3: can't do that in play. But when it comes to like,
1:15:14
Speaker 3: well you can't beat your girlfriend and still play, people
1:15:16
Speaker 3: are just like, oh, well, yeah, okay, yeah, you can
1:15:19
Speaker 3: drive drunk and still play. You can cheat academically and
1:15:22
Speaker 3: still play. That was another thing where I'm just like,
1:15:25
Speaker 3: all right, when I understand people wanting to fight this battle,
1:15:30
Speaker 3: I think that there are there should be more things
1:15:32
Speaker 3: on the list of the black and white hard fast
1:15:35
Speaker 3: you cannot do this and get away with it rules, because.
1:15:39
Speaker 4: Ultimately, being an athlete is a privilege. It's not something
1:15:42
Speaker 4: that you have a right to do. I never was
1:15:45
Speaker 4: given the rights to be a starter for Utah football.
1:15:48
Speaker 4: It's a privilege to be able to like earn that right.
1:15:51
Speaker 4: It's it's a special thing. And if you don't live
1:15:53
Speaker 4: up to the requirements of that special thing you shouldn't
1:15:57
Speaker 4: get to do it, and I think.
1:15:57
Speaker 3: The requirements should be more. But gambling is the one
1:16:01
Speaker 3: is the hill that everyone was willing to die on.
1:16:04
Speaker 10: So a couple of things here, right. I really I
1:16:09
Speaker 10: thought this is just an engagement farming tweet. But people
1:16:12
Speaker 10: will will always say there's more outrage on the internet
1:16:14
Speaker 10: for Brendon sores but than when someone hits their wife
1:16:17
Speaker 10: or something the other, and there often is. But the
1:16:21
Speaker 10: reason why is because we all agree hitting a woman
1:16:24
Speaker 10: is like the worst thing ever. There's no debate on that, right,
1:16:26
Speaker 10: Like what are we debating? It's like, yeah, lock the
1:16:28
Speaker 10: guy out, but we all agree on that. The source
1:16:31
Speaker 10: bee thing, there's like debate because we don't all agree
1:16:33
Speaker 10: that he should be punished, right, So that's why there's
1:16:35
Speaker 10: more discussion about certain topics and other ones I'm with
1:16:38
Speaker 10: you on on you know, the harshness of those crimes
1:16:43
Speaker 10: and what has to be done on college sports. The
1:16:45
Speaker 10: reason why I think the NFL, let's use them, for example,
1:16:50
Speaker 10: doesn't punish as harsh for domestic violence then gamble is
1:16:56
Speaker 10: because it's gonna sound crude, but I think that's really
1:16:59
Speaker 10: the truth is the NFL doesn't view domestic violence incidents
1:17:04
Speaker 10: as integrity of the game issues. Right, it's integrity of
1:17:07
Speaker 10: the player, but of the game, it's not right. They're
1:17:11
Speaker 10: nothing to do with Sundays, where the NFL views gambling
1:17:15
Speaker 10: very much as an issue that affects the potential for
1:17:18
Speaker 10: the games to be the altered right, And that's the
1:17:21
Speaker 10: NFL is thinking. I'm not saying it's right, but that's
1:17:24
Speaker 10: the way they feel about it. And I think it'd
1:17:25
Speaker 10: be really hard for college football that doesn't have a CBA,
1:17:29
Speaker 10: that doesn't have a union to just legally like say,
1:17:34
Speaker 10: you can't play if you have a you know, a
1:17:35
Speaker 10: sexual assault on your record. You can't play if you
1:17:38
Speaker 10: have this, and that I think it comes down to
1:17:39
Speaker 10: individual schools saying we're not not having you on our
1:17:42
Speaker 10: team if you do that. That's where that has to
1:17:44
Speaker 10: come from, right Sean. And it has to come from
1:17:46
Speaker 10: the schools saying we're no, you're out, you're done so
1:17:49
Speaker 10: and some do, some don't. But I think it's not
1:17:53
Speaker 10: coming down to the schools if.
1:17:56
Speaker 3: If if they But that's kind of my point. That's
1:17:58
Speaker 3: something that we should all agree on.
1:18:00
Speaker 5: Oh, I agree with I I agree.
1:18:02
Speaker 10: With you on that, and if any part of it
1:18:08
Speaker 10: with the gambling, it's very black and white, right, like
1:18:10
Speaker 10: did they do it or not? With domestic violence, it
1:18:14
Speaker 10: has to go through the court system, right, yeah, So
1:18:16
Speaker 10: like how long do you wait? You know, by the
1:18:20
Speaker 10: time it's done, the player might already be exhausted eligibility,
1:18:23
Speaker 10: like you know, like you have to what do you do?
1:18:26
Speaker 10: Suspend them immediately? And then it's like, oh, well, they
1:18:27
Speaker 10: didn't do it, and then what happens then? So I
1:18:29
Speaker 10: think this is why it's just so hard to have
1:18:33
Speaker 10: a uniform rule. But I agree with you, right, I
1:18:36
Speaker 10: think we all agree on that, But how do you
1:18:38
Speaker 10: actually implement that in practicality? I think it was really hard.
1:18:41
Speaker 10: That's why the leagues haven't done it or schools haven't
1:18:43
Speaker 10: done it. Obviously, there are schools that have thrown players out,
1:18:46
Speaker 10: you know that that have been charged or been accused.
1:18:48
Speaker 10: That is that that has happened, but not in the
1:18:52
Speaker 10: way that that you're talking about with just like you
1:18:53
Speaker 10: get banned from playing football.
1:18:55
Speaker 3: Again, speaking of the court system, are you surprised that
1:18:59
Speaker 3: there has not been any kind of like criminal element
1:19:02
Speaker 3: to this storesby thing he admitted to gambling underage. Yeah,
1:19:06
Speaker 3: and and it is criminal to gamble on on sports
1:19:11
Speaker 3: when you have some kind of insider information. I mean,
1:19:15
Speaker 3: Kayshawn Booty was criminally charged, had those charges dropped. But
1:19:20
Speaker 3: that you know, states get to decide their own thing
1:19:22
Speaker 3: and prosecutors get to decide whether they want to do it.
1:19:24
Speaker 3: Are you are you surprised that Brendan Soorsby, who is like,
1:19:28
Speaker 3: I mean, he was like interstate commerce, he was like,
1:19:30
Speaker 3: it's a it's a freaking Rico.
1:19:32
Speaker 1: Case from the Sopranos.
1:19:33
Speaker 3: He was sending money to people to disguise his own
1:19:37
Speaker 3: identity and all this stuff. But from the criminal sense
1:19:39
Speaker 3: that there's been no no conversation about that at all.
1:19:42
Speaker 5: It seems well, a couple of things.
1:19:44
Speaker 10: One is he didn't he didn't he didn't fix the games, right,
1:19:48
Speaker 10: so that's not part of discussion right where that that
1:19:52
Speaker 10: obviously comes into a play a lot of times, right
1:19:54
Speaker 10: where you know, you see the guys getting arrested are
1:19:56
Speaker 10: the ones that fix their games, right, So he certainly
1:20:00
Speaker 10: broke some rules. Sean, I don't think that a prosecutor
1:20:06
Speaker 10: feels very strongly about charging some of those rules, right,
1:20:10
Speaker 10: And we know that you know there are some rules
1:20:12
Speaker 10: that are written that you know, you just they are
1:20:14
Speaker 10: what they are and they're there, but you know, a
1:20:16
Speaker 10: prosecutor does not really got to charge you for those.
1:20:19
Speaker 10: It feels like that's the sort of situation here where
1:20:21
Speaker 10: like is it really worth charging Brendan Sorsby for interstate commerce?
1:20:26
Speaker 10: You know, like a level five whatever, like the lowest
1:20:29
Speaker 10: level felony is for five grand he sent out of state?
1:20:32
Speaker 10: Like that really worth the resources to do that? So
1:20:36
Speaker 10: I don't think he'll ever be charged for anything, because again,
1:20:38
Speaker 10: he didn't fix the games, right, That's why I think
1:20:40
Speaker 10: number one, he just just won't be charged. Yeah, there's
1:20:44
Speaker 10: there's things here, and you know, with this nine thousand
1:20:47
Speaker 10: dollars number, I keep hearing this number, right, he bet
1:20:49
Speaker 10: nine thousand dollars, So that doesn't mean that he he
1:20:54
Speaker 10: took nine thousand dollars out of his account and put
1:20:58
Speaker 10: it into gambling count and lost it. All that just
1:21:00
Speaker 10: means he gambled, you know, nine thousand dollars wait total, Yes,
1:21:05
Speaker 10: So like I'm sure I could pull mine up, but
1:21:07
Speaker 10: I probably have six figures of I've not put six figures,
1:21:12
Speaker 10: trust me, into my gambling accounts. Like, but that's just
1:21:14
Speaker 10: like you know, you know, on a given day, I
1:21:16
Speaker 10: have you know, wager on this on this baseball game
1:21:20
Speaker 10: right now, this Virginia Tech North Through. I got the
1:21:22
Speaker 10: over in this college baseball game. The wind's blowing out
1:21:24
Speaker 10: like twenty five miles an hour, So like I have
1:21:26
Speaker 10: one hundred dollars on it, all right, So my account
1:21:28
Speaker 10: shows I have been one hundred dollars today, doesn't mean
1:21:30
Speaker 10: I deposited one hundred dollars. So I think part of
1:21:31
Speaker 10: it is like it's actually not a ton of money
1:21:34
Speaker 10: he deposited into account, So are you gonna go after
1:21:36
Speaker 10: him for ten grand I think that's probably why, Sean
1:21:40
Speaker 10: there's not been a criminal case brought here. Is it's
1:21:42
Speaker 10: just really kind of a small potatoes thing. The salacious
1:21:45
Speaker 10: part of it is, of course that he did this
1:21:48
Speaker 10: Wall being, you know, quarterback in Indiana.
1:21:52
Speaker 1: Well is this who's gonna take him?
1:21:56
Speaker 3: Like, let's agree that it's a fourth or fifth or
1:21:58
Speaker 3: sixth round pick, whatever kind of doesn't matter.
1:22:00
Speaker 1: Just that's a curiosity thing.
1:22:02
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be a team that's like we can
1:22:06
Speaker 3: take these risks because our reputation is such that nobody
1:22:10
Speaker 3: questions us, or is it gonna be the opposite where
1:22:12
Speaker 3: it's just like we're the kind of team where the
1:22:15
Speaker 3: jail Blazers, where the you know, the the Jets, we're
1:22:18
Speaker 3: the team that always does these stupid hair brained things,
1:22:21
Speaker 3: and and so we're going.
1:22:22
Speaker 10: To be the ones to take this risk. All right,
1:22:25
Speaker 10: So good question. There's two teams, two ideas of teams,
1:22:32
Speaker 10: right that would do this, right, Like the Browns, right,
1:22:33
Speaker 10: we need a quarterback, right, the Cardinals. You know, a
1:22:37
Speaker 10: team like that, right, just like needs a quarterback. That's
1:22:40
Speaker 10: certainly a possibility. But I also think there's gonna be
1:22:45
Speaker 10: a team with a veteran quarterback that's looking to replace
1:22:49
Speaker 10: that guy in a few years. Have you a brand
1:22:51
Speaker 10: source before like a fifth round pick? I think you
1:22:54
Speaker 10: do it right. Like let's say you're there's a lines
1:22:58
Speaker 10: for example, right, Jared off is getting up in age,
1:23:01
Speaker 10: all right, And maybe you've looked at Brandon Sorsby. You love,
1:23:04
Speaker 10: you love the kid, right, you would Normally it's been
1:23:07
Speaker 10: a first round pick on him. They get it for
1:23:09
Speaker 10: a fourth round pick. I think it's gonna be very
1:23:11
Speaker 10: exciting for a lot of teams to do.
1:23:13
Speaker 5: So.
1:23:13
Speaker 10: I think that you have two camps, right, you have
1:23:16
Speaker 10: the camp of we need a guy right now. But again,
1:23:19
Speaker 10: those teams are not going to bit a high draft
1:23:21
Speaker 10: pick on him because they neither their picks next year.
1:23:24
Speaker 10: So very curious how this ends up will be. You know,
1:23:27
Speaker 10: I think some of the mount of draft is not
1:23:28
Speaker 10: till the middle of July, I believe, so there's still
1:23:32
Speaker 10: a lot of time for this to play out. He
1:23:34
Speaker 10: has a pro day, I believe they said July tenth,
1:23:37
Speaker 10: which will be heavily attended.
1:23:40
Speaker 3: Well, see how it plays out with Brandon Soorsby. We'll
1:23:42
Speaker 3: be talking football with Jeff Schwartz. You should come to
1:23:46
Speaker 3: You should come to Dallas for Big twelve media days,
1:23:48
Speaker 3: just for fun.
1:23:49
Speaker 5: When is it? I think it might be the same time.
1:23:51
Speaker 5: I'm worried. There is it?
1:23:52
Speaker 1: That's before it's on the seventh to eighth and.
1:23:56
Speaker 5: I get in on the uh do you have the ninth?
1:24:00
Speaker 1: Well, bump it up, dude.
1:24:03
Speaker 5: Where's it at the Star. I'm staying there. I'm staying
1:24:07
Speaker 5: at the Omni and that's where it was.
1:24:08
Speaker 1: That's where we're staying.
1:24:11
Speaker 10: When you come back to Dallas, you're staying there. No,
1:24:14
Speaker 10: oh no, I'm staying there like on Thursday. That's on
1:24:18
Speaker 10: the ninth that's why I show up.
1:24:19
Speaker 5: At the Star.
1:24:19
Speaker 1: Well, just show up on Wednesday instead.
1:24:22
Speaker 10: The Star is such a good it's such a it's
1:24:23
Speaker 10: a great, it's just a great. I've been there one
1:24:26
Speaker 10: hundred times because of my connection to to to Duke
1:24:29
Speaker 10: of Dallas.
1:24:30
Speaker 5: It's such a great idea.
1:24:31
Speaker 10: I wish every city built something like the Star where
1:24:36
Speaker 10: you have obviously the you know, the the training for
1:24:38
Speaker 10: selling for the cowboys, a great hotel, and they're just
1:24:41
Speaker 10: like bars and restaurants and things to do. Like it's
1:24:45
Speaker 10: not trying to shopping, but who cares about that? But
1:24:47
Speaker 10: like the food's good, Like the food's good around there.
1:24:50
Speaker 10: They got they got a little a little club there,
1:24:52
Speaker 10: got a cigar bar in the bottom of the one
1:24:54
Speaker 10: in the steakhouse.
1:24:55
Speaker 5: Is there very good?
1:24:58
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll see you, but in any case, always a
1:25:01
Speaker 3: pleasure having me on the show.
1:25:02
Speaker 5: Thank you, no, buddy, take care of a good week.
1:25:05
Speaker 3: That's Jeff Schwartz, College football Insider, NFL Insider, sports gambling
1:25:09
Speaker 3: insider on the Brendan Sorsby situation. So, look, if you
1:25:14
Speaker 3: can get Brendan Soresby for a fourth or fifth round pick,
1:25:18
Speaker 3: because it seems like risk given his gambling addiction, and
1:25:23
Speaker 3: the fact that if he continues this, if you don't
1:25:26
Speaker 3: successfully curb the gambling and the betting, especially on NFL games,
1:25:30
Speaker 3: he is banned for life.
1:25:31
Speaker 1: They come down hard on that stuff.
1:25:34
Speaker 3: The NFL punishes people really, really harshly.
1:25:39
Speaker 1: So maybe you don't want.
1:25:40
Speaker 5: To use it.
1:25:40
Speaker 3: But the flip side of that coin is you might
1:25:43
Speaker 3: be getting a first or second round talent in the
1:25:45
Speaker 3: fourth or fifth round.
1:25:47
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Speaker 3: show Daily Dump, mostly World Cup stories. The ratings, the
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Speaker 3: television ratings for this last NBA Finals highest since nineteen
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Speaker 3: ninety eight. What two teams played in the nineteen ninety
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Speaker 3: eight NBA Finals. The last Mega ratings that came in
1:27:17
Speaker 3: on the NBA Finals because of course everyone wanted to
1:27:21
Speaker 3: watch Jeff Hornisek play, had nothing to do with Michael
1:27:25
Speaker 3: Jordan's participation. It was Jazz Bulls in ninety eight, And
1:27:29
Speaker 3: this was the highest NBA Finals rating that has been
1:27:32
Speaker 3: pulled in since then. That is a big it's a
1:27:35
Speaker 3: big accomplishment for the New York San Antonio series. It
1:27:38
Speaker 3: seemed like, uh, Dick Bavetta, who made some terrible calls
1:27:41
Speaker 3: in Game six, thought everyone was tuning in for him.
1:27:44
Speaker 3: But uh, but you know what, We don't need to
1:27:46
Speaker 3: drudge up old grievance.
1:27:48
Speaker 1: Bringing up the old stuff. Here's the thing.
1:27:52
Speaker 4: This is a really impressive number peaking at like thirty
1:27:55
Speaker 4: five million viewers. It's a really impressive number, more so
1:28:00
Speaker 4: than in nineteen ninety eight because think of the options
1:28:04
Speaker 4: you had for entertainment. In nineteen ninety eight, you had
1:28:06
Speaker 4: television and cable television.
1:28:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a much different era, way
1:28:15
Speaker 3: more options than some of the the other sports events
1:28:18
Speaker 3: that rated really high, you know, seventies and eighties, a
1:28:23
Speaker 3: lot of it pre cable. But this is like back
1:28:26
Speaker 3: then they were talking about, oh my gosh, we have
1:28:28
Speaker 3: so many options now because we have cable. Not just
1:28:30
Speaker 3: the network channels, your local channels. Now you got all
1:28:36
Speaker 3: fifteen different streaming services.
1:28:38
Speaker 4: I think I think I lied. I think I said
1:28:40
Speaker 4: thirty million. It's twenty It was twenty one million viewers
1:28:43
Speaker 4: pen one.
1:28:43
Speaker 3: Oh, they averaged twenty one million, Okay, so yeah, no,
1:28:46
Speaker 3: it peaked at thirty three.
1:28:47
Speaker 6: To thirty three.
1:28:48
Speaker 3: I think this is a commentary on the power of
1:28:52
Speaker 3: the New York Knicks and the New York sports market
1:28:57
Speaker 3: they spent because back then the ja As Bulls series
1:29:01
Speaker 3: getting the high rating that the story with that is, well,
1:29:04
Speaker 3: this is this is the last dance, this is Michael
1:29:06
Speaker 3: Jordan's maybe his last games ever. Certainly it certainly ends
1:29:12
Speaker 3: up being his last games ever.
1:29:13
Speaker 5: Las.
1:29:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, but at the time, you're thinking this could be
1:29:17
Speaker 3: his last games that we ever see him, and he's
1:29:19
Speaker 3: he's gonna he's got a chance to win a six championship.
1:29:22
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense in the same way
1:29:25
Speaker 3: that it makes a lot of sense that a New
1:29:26
Speaker 3: York Knicks finals first one in twenty seven years they
1:29:29
Speaker 3: end up winning their first championship in over fifty years,
1:29:32
Speaker 3: that that would get the highest rating ever or one
1:29:36
Speaker 3: of the highest ratings ever.
1:29:37
Speaker 4: But the just how much more the dilution has happened, right, podcasts,
1:29:43
Speaker 4: streaming services, cable television, uh, every everything about the human
1:29:51
Speaker 4: attention span now is drastically different than it was back
1:29:55
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety eight. So if your TikTok Instagram reels,
1:29:59
Speaker 4: it's kind of like when you're when you hear people
1:30:01
Speaker 4: talking about like, oh, this was you know, babe Ruth
1:30:05
Speaker 4: was paid three hundred thousand dollars and you're like, how
1:30:08
Speaker 4: much is that in today's number?
1:30:10
Speaker 1: And it's like today, that's thirty million dollars.
1:30:12
Speaker 4: You're like, Okay, they should find a way to do
1:30:15
Speaker 4: that with television ratings. Like if if thirty million viewers
1:30:20
Speaker 4: for Michael Jordan and Karl Malone and that that final series,
1:30:24
Speaker 4: that was a big number. Obviously, now thirty million viewers
1:30:29
Speaker 4: is like, that's like one hundred million viewers in ninety
1:30:32
Speaker 4: eight because you're competing with everything on the planet, so
1:30:38
Speaker 4: level of difficulty to get that number is way higher
1:30:41
Speaker 4: now than it was thirty years ago.
1:30:43
Speaker 3: And I just pretty fascinating stuff. Really, Yeah, I just
1:30:47
Speaker 3: and you're right. It is the New York sports market.
1:30:50
Speaker 3: It is the power of you know, that NBA marketing machine,
1:30:56
Speaker 3: and of the New York Knicks number one place in
1:31:01
Speaker 3: and look, some people tuned in for the celebrity watching,
1:31:04
Speaker 3: which doesn't happen elsewhere. Yeah, even but even Lakers finals games,
1:31:12
Speaker 3: that plenty of celebrity watching on those games.
1:31:15
Speaker 6: Over the last thirty years.
1:31:17
Speaker 3: This outperformed every Shack and Kobe Finals, every Steph and
1:31:22
Speaker 3: Clay Finals.
1:31:23
Speaker 1: This that's a big deal. It's a huge, huge deal.
1:31:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you think about you also think about the
1:31:29
Speaker 3: Jazz Bowls in ninety eight. You did not have a
1:31:33
Speaker 3: lot of the celebrity watching in that series, even in Chicago, right.
1:31:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not really the same vibe.
1:31:40
Speaker 3: With that team, and that still outperformed all the Shaq
1:31:44
Speaker 3: and Kobe finals games outperformed this Steph versus Lebron Finals
1:31:49
Speaker 3: like that, And I just it's an interesting juxtaposition because
1:31:53
Speaker 3: in ninety eight, I'm sure a lot of the conversation was,
1:31:57
Speaker 3: oh man, we have so many more options than the
1:32:00
Speaker 3: and the one that this outrated from nineteen seventy seven
1:32:03
Speaker 3: or or from nineteen eighty three or whatever, right, because
1:32:07
Speaker 3: we got cable television now, and.
1:32:09
Speaker 1: It's just thirty years later. Hold hold our beer.
1:32:14
Speaker 3: We've got Netflix, We've got Amazon Prime. You're competing against
1:32:19
Speaker 3: TikTok videos and Instagram reels too, by the way, like this.
1:32:23
Speaker 1: Is that while you're watching though, so.
1:32:25
Speaker 3: But this But anyway, there's so many more entertainment options
1:32:29
Speaker 3: and for it to be even comparable to something thirty
1:32:32
Speaker 3: years ago is.
1:32:35
Speaker 1: Insane.
1:32:35
Speaker 3: But again, that's the power of the Knicks, that's the
1:32:37
Speaker 3: power of the New York City market, and probably some
1:32:40
Speaker 3: of it the power of the uniqueness of Wemby. But
1:32:43
Speaker 3: I don't think it's as much as these other two things.
1:32:46
Speaker 3: How petty is FIFA, Well, FIFA is petty to the
1:32:50
Speaker 3: level that most of us can't even relate. Okay, we
1:32:55
Speaker 3: talked about how Mercedes Benz Stadium had to be given
1:32:59
Speaker 3: special exemption to leave the Mercedes Benz logo on the
1:33:03
Speaker 3: stadium as a host site for this World Cup because
1:33:08
Speaker 3: you can't deconstruct the stadium. That logo is like eighty
1:33:11
Speaker 3: feet across or something, and FIFA initially wanted the stadium
1:33:16
Speaker 3: in Atlanta to take it off, to say nope, you
1:33:20
Speaker 3: don't get to have that Mercedes Benz logo on there.
1:33:23
Speaker 3: Mercedes Benz Stadium won that battle, but they are the
1:33:26
Speaker 3: only one. So if you're watching FIFA action happen in Boston,
1:33:33
Speaker 3: for example, it is no longer Jellette Stadium for those games.
1:33:37
Speaker 3: It is Boston Stadium. It is not Gillette. And they've
1:33:42
Speaker 3: covered up all the logos, they've turned off all the signers,
1:33:44
Speaker 3: they've hung banners over the external signs, things like that.
1:33:49
Speaker 3: This is the level to which FIFA is willing to go.
1:33:53
Speaker 3: The capacity for a World Cup game at Gillette Stadium
1:33:59
Speaker 3: sixty four four thousand, one hundred and forty six people.
1:34:04
Speaker 1: FIFA took sixty.
1:34:07
Speaker 4: Four thousand, one hundred and forty six pieces of it
1:34:12
Speaker 4: looks like blue electrical tape, it might be blue duct
1:34:15
Speaker 4: tape and taped over the Gillette logo on every single
1:34:22
Speaker 4: seat in the stadium. Do you know how insane that is?
1:34:29
Speaker 4: How long that must have taken. I need a mini
1:34:33
Speaker 4: documentary on the person who was told you have.
1:34:37
Speaker 3: To do this, and then how they went about it.
1:34:39
Speaker 3: How many rolls of tape is that? How many people
1:34:42
Speaker 3: did you hire? Was this like FIFA employees? Was this
1:34:47
Speaker 3: Gillette stadium employees? Did you just go into downtown Boston
1:34:51
Speaker 3: and say to every homeless person, Look, man, you guys
1:34:54
Speaker 3: want to earn some money today, you just got to
1:34:56
Speaker 3: slap some tape over the Gellett logo. We need every
1:35:00
Speaker 3: one of these covered, Okay, I'll do that. How many
1:35:02
Speaker 3: you need a couple hundred of them? We need sixty
1:35:04
Speaker 3: four thousand and forty six of these logos taped over.
1:35:10
Speaker 3: That is a level of commitment to protecting your brand
1:35:15
Speaker 3: that I don't think even like Nike, Coca Cola, like
1:35:19
Speaker 3: the Juggernauts would take that extreme of measures. It's it's
1:35:25
Speaker 3: on the seats. If there's someone sitting in the seat.
1:35:29
Speaker 3: You can't see it from I'm watching on television right now.
1:35:33
Speaker 3: There is absolutely no chance that a television could ever
1:35:37
Speaker 3: pick up the Gelet logo. There's no camera that's picking
1:35:41
Speaker 3: up the Gelet logo on the back of a seat. Yeah,
1:35:44
Speaker 3: but the people, the people in the stadium can see it.
1:35:47
Speaker 3: Apparently that's the point that they don't want anyone to
1:35:51
Speaker 3: see other branding than their FIFA World Cup sponsors, which
1:35:56
Speaker 3: is that that is insane.
1:35:58
Speaker 1: It's a by the way, the.
1:36:00
Speaker 3: The hired tapers, if you will, it's reminiscent of Buffalo
1:36:05
Speaker 3: Bill's snow shovelers right from a couple of years ago.
1:36:09
Speaker 6: In the playoffs, they.
1:36:10
Speaker 1: They has for volunteers and then they're just.
1:36:12
Speaker 6: Like I thought they paid them a little bit.
1:36:14
Speaker 3: They said, bring out the volunteers, and then they were like,
1:36:17
Speaker 3: we'll pay you forty bucks an hour or whatever.
1:36:18
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:36:19
Speaker 3: It's like what they might have just crowdsource and be like, okay,
1:36:22
Speaker 3: we will We're allowed to pay any random people who
1:36:27
Speaker 3: show up to tape over logos this much per hour.
1:36:31
Speaker 4: Sixty plus thousand times wild. That is so absolutely crazy.
1:36:36
Speaker 3: If if I had gone into the stadium as a
1:36:39
Speaker 3: taper right then, I'm hiding in a bathroom to get
1:36:44
Speaker 3: a pre ticket. Yeah, the first game, living in the
1:36:47
Speaker 3: bathroom forever long. It takes absolutely So Mercedes Benz Stadium,
1:36:52
Speaker 3: they didn't presumably have to tape over Mercedes Benz logos.
1:36:58
Speaker 3: But every other stadium, if they had this situation, they
1:37:01
Speaker 3: probably taped those over to I don't know that.
1:37:04
Speaker 4: Every other stadium has the company logo on every seat.
1:37:07
Speaker 1: They might not. I think most stadiums they just have
1:37:10
Speaker 1: the number on the seat.
1:37:12
Speaker 3: That's just extra with their with their stadium sponsorship dealer.
1:37:16
Speaker 3: And I'm looking at photos of the Gillett Stadium set
1:37:19
Speaker 3: up right now. Why didn't they tape over New England Patriots.
1:37:23
Speaker 3: That's a brand.
1:37:24
Speaker 1: They're not sponsoring the World Cup.
1:37:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I don't know, man crazy, but FIFA is
1:37:32
Speaker 3: just wild like that. That is how strict they are there.
1:37:39
Speaker 3: This Uh, someone has a photo of a poster that
1:37:44
Speaker 3: has been like they put this white plastic membrane over it,
1:37:49
Speaker 3: and the tweet says this was once a photo of
1:37:53
Speaker 3: the lighthouse at Gillette Stadium, but the photo concludes the
1:37:56
Speaker 3: word Gillette Stadium, not Boston Stadium, so they had to it.
1:38:00
Speaker 3: They tape over. Oh my gosh, how far is FIFA
1:38:05
Speaker 3: going with brand restrictions? The condiments in the Levi Stadium
1:38:08
Speaker 3: press box? Have the brands taped over on the ketchup?
1:38:13
Speaker 3: The mustard, the Tabasco, the Frank's Hot Sauce, the Hellman's mayonnaise.
1:38:20
Speaker 1: Dude, can't even take a.
1:38:22
Speaker 3: Picture of the ketchup you're using to if you're a
1:38:26
Speaker 3: media member, I want you're not doing that anyway.
1:38:29
Speaker 4: I've gone all the way. My pendulum has swung all
1:38:31
Speaker 4: the other way. I want to be the man in
1:38:33
Speaker 4: charge of taping everything over. I want to get that
1:38:36
Speaker 4: job for fee.
1:38:37
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's a lucrative position, like head of tape,
1:38:40
Speaker 3: head of logo, of obscuring. And then it just becomes
1:38:46
Speaker 3: Then you're just this detective going through all these stadiums.
1:38:49
Speaker 1: And you're just like, oh, there's a brand.
1:38:51
Speaker 5: There's a brand.
1:38:52
Speaker 6: There's a brand.
1:38:53
Speaker 3: You've got an assistant tailing you with a notebook or
1:38:57
Speaker 3: with their notes app open. You're like, uh, this section.
1:39:01
Speaker 4: Anyone who's ever built a new home or had like
1:39:03
Speaker 4: a remodel done on right. There's that phase before you
1:39:07
Speaker 4: do your final where when you do your final walkthrough
1:39:09
Speaker 4: where you get the little pieces of painter's tape and
1:39:14
Speaker 4: every little ding, every little dan, every little issue, you
1:39:18
Speaker 4: put some green tape or some blue tape or whatever
1:39:21
Speaker 4: all over the things that you need fixed before you
1:39:23
Speaker 4: close on the house. You're just doing that on a
1:39:26
Speaker 4: stadium level, if you're talking about working for FIFA. Here
1:39:30
Speaker 4: last story I wanted to share you. This is wild.
1:39:35
Speaker 4: You've seen the videos of the Tartan Army, the Scottish
1:39:37
Speaker 4: World Cup fans ending a long drought of Scottish World
1:39:41
Speaker 4: Cup participation in goal scoring and stuff like that.
1:39:43
Speaker 1: This is a big year for the Scots in the
1:39:45
Speaker 1: World Cup.
1:39:48
Speaker 4: They were in Boston group play for the Scottish at
1:39:54
Speaker 4: Boston Stadium formerly known as Gillette and soon to be
1:39:57
Speaker 4: known again as Gillette Stadium. But lot of Scots going
1:40:00
Speaker 4: to Boston Red Sox games and they're just all in right,
1:40:07
Speaker 4: enjoying the Red Sox, buying all the beer, buying all
1:40:12
Speaker 4: the merchandise. Now, Boston is a city that is equipped
1:40:17
Speaker 4: for drinking parties. Saint Patti's Day in Boston, Boston Marathon,
1:40:23
Speaker 4: everyone's celebrating after they win. Just Boston in general heavy
1:40:29
Speaker 4: drinking and alcohol culture with the ethnic groups. The Irish
1:40:33
Speaker 4: are very prominent there. Truly unprecedented.
1:40:39
Speaker 3: According to the bar owners and sam Adams Brewery, which
1:40:43
Speaker 3: famously is headquartered in Boston, Apparently the Tartan Army, the
1:40:47
Speaker 3: Scottish fans have been drinking the American precedent under the table.
1:40:56
Speaker 3: And now, I am not a drinker, so I don't
1:40:58
Speaker 3: really have good context for this. I used to work
1:41:01
Speaker 3: in the bar industry, and yes, some nights you sell
1:41:04
Speaker 3: twice as much alcohol, like on New Year's you gotta
1:41:07
Speaker 3: be stocked up in the back. You know, Halloween, you
1:41:09
Speaker 3: gotta be stocked up in the back. Apparently the Boston
1:41:13
Speaker 3: fans ran. They drank so much that the sam Adams,
1:41:18
Speaker 3: like flagship brewery store sold out of their Boston Lager.
1:41:23
Speaker 3: They drank all of the Boston Lager at sam Adams Brewery.
1:41:29
Speaker 3: They drank all of the beer. They'd have an emergency
1:41:34
Speaker 3: delivery from some other source, I guess. One bar owner
1:41:38
Speaker 3: said that the Scottish fans the Tartan Army being in
1:41:42
Speaker 3: Boston for the weekend tripled Saint Patrick's day in Boston,
1:41:49
Speaker 3: not Saint Patrick's Day in Salt Lake City tripled the
1:41:52
Speaker 3: consumption of beer of Saint Patrick's Day in Boston, which
1:41:57
Speaker 3: for many reasons is non as like the Irish American capital. Correct,
1:42:03
Speaker 3: and these are Scottish there, these are Scots doing this,
1:42:07
Speaker 3: but like still like to triple Saint Patrick's Day on
1:42:12
Speaker 3: the Irish American capital is is quite a feat.
1:42:15
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:42:16
Speaker 4: So the population of the greater Boston area.
1:42:24
Speaker 1: Is about five million people. Okay.
1:42:28
Speaker 4: Now, of course not all of those people are drinking
1:42:31
Speaker 4: in Boston on Saint Patrick's Day, but five million Bostonites
1:42:36
Speaker 4: ish all right. It is the eleventh largest metropolitan area
1:42:42
Speaker 4: in the United States, so five million people. Now, the
1:42:45
Speaker 4: population of Scotland is five and a half million people,
1:42:48
Speaker 4: and obviously not all of them came over for the
1:42:52
Speaker 4: World Cup. So let's say, I don't know, one hundred
1:42:55
Speaker 4: thousand Scottish people came over.
1:42:57
Speaker 1: Seems like a big number. I bet it's not even that.
1:43:02
Speaker 3: But based on this terrible on show math, that means
1:43:06
Speaker 3: that the Boston fans, however many there were, let's say
1:43:10
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand for a nice round figure, one hundred
1:43:12
Speaker 3: thousand Scottish people out drank five million Boston people.
1:43:19
Speaker 1: By a factor of three. You know how crazy that is.
1:43:26
Speaker 4: One more thing about all of the fascinating cultural exchanges
1:43:31
Speaker 4: that we're seeing. Actually, while you're watching this DRC game,
1:43:36
Speaker 4: Congo versus Portugal right now.
1:43:38
Speaker 3: Which is still still tied one one, we're in stoppage
1:43:42
Speaker 3: timehll yeah, we're.
1:43:43
Speaker 1: Near full time here. They're gonna they got.
1:43:45
Speaker 3: Seconds left in this contest and that final just now
1:43:48
Speaker 3: it went final. Congo got a point against Portugal. That's incredible.
1:43:52
Speaker 4: Apparently the Congo fans brought over a statue with them
1:43:55
Speaker 4: that is in like the supporter section, a life sign
1:44:00
Speaker 4: statue of one of the political heroes. I think it's
1:44:06
Speaker 4: Patrice la Mumba if I'm not mistaken. So keep an
1:44:11
Speaker 4: eye out for Congo. Can't you imagine getting on an
1:44:14
Speaker 4: airplane and they're just like.
1:44:15
Speaker 1: What do you have this for? We're going to the
1:44:17
Speaker 1: World Cup. It's the same size as you.
1:44:20
Speaker 3: I know, I know you'd have to buy a ticket
1:44:24
Speaker 3: for this. Can it fit in the overhead compartment? No,
1:44:27
Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to check this one. It's it's nuts.
1:44:31
Speaker 3: Did you I sent you a text about this one?
1:44:34
Speaker 3: I thought you'd get a kick out of it. Andy
1:44:36
Speaker 3: Staples in New York City for World Cup. Any Staples
1:44:40
Speaker 3: of on three. He tells the story of his son.
1:44:43
Speaker 3: He and his son walking around there by thirty Rock,
1:44:48
Speaker 3: and Peyton Manning's out there walking around too, and a
1:44:53
Speaker 3: bunch of people going crazy.
1:44:54
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning, and he heard.
1:44:56
Speaker 3: The first funny anecdote is the heard someone say that's
1:45:02
Speaker 3: Eli's brother, which typically it's the other way around, right,
1:45:06
Speaker 3: Eli's Peyton's brother. But in New York City you can
1:45:09
Speaker 3: understand that. The funnier one, in my opinion, O see
1:45:13
Speaker 3: is that there's still a small contingent of people freaking out.
1:45:19
Speaker 3: It's a little bit after the first wave of like,
1:45:21
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, it's Peyton Manning, which, by the way,
1:45:24
Speaker 3: I would have been in there in that wave of people,
1:45:29
Speaker 3: they're still freaking out. Hey, it's Peyton Manning. And a
1:45:32
Speaker 3: an suv comes out of the parking garage, rolls out
1:45:36
Speaker 3: his window.
1:45:38
Speaker 1: Guess who. Guess who that is?
1:45:39
Speaker 3: Oc thinking he's rolling out his window to greet his
1:45:43
Speaker 3: adoring fans, thinking they're they're freaking out for him.
1:45:46
Speaker 6: Connor McGregor rolls.
1:45:48
Speaker 3: His window down. He's like, Oh, they're clearly I'm super famous.
1:45:51
Speaker 3: They're clearly really excited that I'm in I'm in the area. No, Connor,
1:45:56
Speaker 3: you got upstage by Peyton Manning in New York City.
1:46:00
Speaker 4: That's a very Econnor McGregor thing. By the way, he
1:46:04
Speaker 4: hasn't fought in five years and he's coming back to
1:46:06
Speaker 4: fight in July and he thinks it's God's gift to
1:46:10
Speaker 4: the MMA world, which some people will treat it that way.
1:46:13
Speaker 1: Also correction, minor correction here.
1:46:16
Speaker 3: The statue that I was just referring to is actually
1:46:19
Speaker 3: not a statue at all. It is a super fan
1:46:24
Speaker 3: of the Democratic Republic of Congo team who is posing
1:46:29
Speaker 3: with the same Apparently there's a a statue of Patrice
1:46:33
Speaker 3: La mumba political hero.
1:46:36
Speaker 4: Rebel from the I think the sixties in Democratic Republic
1:46:41
Speaker 4: of Congo, and there's a statue of this this man
1:46:45
Speaker 4: where he's like it's just him waving, right. So there's
1:46:48
Speaker 4: a guy who dresses up and stands perfectly still and
1:46:53
Speaker 4: they put the other fans put him on a pedestal
1:46:56
Speaker 4: and he just stands the whole match like he is
1:46:59
Speaker 4: the stats.
1:47:00
Speaker 1: So he's posing as the statue. He doesn't move. He
1:47:04
Speaker 1: spends the whole match posing as a statue.
1:47:07
Speaker 3: Shout out wow, soccer fans are crazy. It's not a statue.
1:47:14
Speaker 3: It's a guy pretending to be a statue. So then
1:47:18
Speaker 3: my question becomes, did he pose as a statue for
1:47:20
Speaker 3: the flight over or is this only while he was
1:47:22
Speaker 3: in He's that every time he's not at home, he
1:47:26
Speaker 3: is a statue. It's it's the rules. What's his day job?
1:47:30
Speaker 3: Is he one of those guys that that's unlike the
1:47:32
Speaker 3: Vegas the Las Vegas Boulevard paints himself bronze and it's
1:47:37
Speaker 3: just a statue the Las Vegas Boulevard of Congo. Yes,
1:47:42
Speaker 3: wonder what that's like. All right, gotta take a double here.
1:47:45
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Speaker 12: We'd have a game seven tonight, but Carolina took care
1:48:53
Speaker 12: of it Sunday, which seems like three weeks ago at
1:48:56
Speaker 12: this point. Sunday night, it goes along, goes fast, the
1:49:01
Speaker 12: sports calendar in the sports world. But the Carolina Hurricanes,
1:49:06
Speaker 12: your eventual champions. Tell me your thoughts, Tell me how
1:49:11
Speaker 12: you saw this thing play out last two games, Carolina
1:49:14
Speaker 12: kind of took over. It's funny how these series go
1:49:17
Speaker 12: and the Stanley Cup playoffs, right, you could go right
1:49:19
Speaker 12: back to Utah's first round series. Had a two to
1:49:22
Speaker 12: one serious lead against Vegas, had a chance to go
1:49:26
Speaker 12: up three to one, and then the series tilted towards Vegas.
1:49:32
Speaker 12: A couple close ones and then Game six, the Golden
1:49:35
Speaker 12: Knights took it. Well, this series was the exact opposite
1:49:38
Speaker 12: of that series. Vegas goes up two games to one,
1:49:43
Speaker 12: has a multi goal lead, and then the series kind
1:49:48
Speaker 12: of tilts, and then Carolina just puts a stranglehold on
1:49:53
Speaker 12: him and takes it the rest of the way. And
1:49:56
Speaker 12: you can look at it, you know, Uh, Carolina made
1:50:00
Speaker 12: a goaltender switch mid series, Vegas stuck with their guy.
1:50:05
Speaker 12: It's it's a simple way to look at it. But
1:50:09
Speaker 12: those were two key moments in the series of Carolina
1:50:14
Speaker 12: making a change and Vegas not.
1:50:18
Speaker 11: So.
1:50:18
Speaker 3: Uh.
1:50:19
Speaker 4: You can always make a case that you kind of
1:50:21
Speaker 4: you kind of to build toward these victories, these ultimate
1:50:24
Speaker 4: championship victories, right. I think we just saw the San
1:50:28
Speaker 4: Antonio Spurs with their four way into the NBA four
1:50:31
Speaker 4: A into the NBA Finals, and it's like, yeah, they
1:50:34
Speaker 4: didn't win it. Great story with the Knicks. A lot
1:50:37
Speaker 4: of us are of the opinion that San Antonio is
1:50:39
Speaker 4: going to be in a similar position for the foreseeable future,
1:50:43
Speaker 4: and that maybe your first trip to the finals with
1:50:45
Speaker 4: this team doesn't end with the trophy, but maybe the
1:50:49
Speaker 4: second or the third, or maybe the third through the
1:50:52
Speaker 4: sixth we'll all.
1:50:53
Speaker 1: End in trophies.
1:50:53
Speaker 3: Who knows, but uh, I know that this is part
1:50:56
Speaker 3: of the plan for the Utah Mammoth. Right, you kind
1:50:59
Speaker 3: of have to build gradually. You got to be a
1:51:02
Speaker 3: playoff contender, then you got to make it into the playoffs,
1:51:04
Speaker 3: and then you probably have to be a playoff staple
1:51:06
Speaker 3: and then maybe you could be a Stanley Cup champion.
1:51:10
Speaker 3: Seems like that's kind of how it was for Carolina, right,
1:51:12
Speaker 3: this was what eighth trip to the playoffs in a row.
1:51:16
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think Carolina is a great case study for Utah.
1:51:22
Speaker 12: They had made the conference finals three times in the
1:51:25
Speaker 12: last six years before this season when they had the
1:51:29
Speaker 12: best record in the East and ultimately do get to
1:51:32
Speaker 12: the Stanley Cup Final for the first time in twenty years.
1:51:36
Speaker 12: Of there's just one team that comes out of this,
1:51:41
Speaker 12: and you know, you can look at a team like
1:51:44
Speaker 12: Tampa Bay who thought they were contender, didn't get out
1:51:46
Speaker 12: of the first round, lost in seven games to Montreal.
1:51:50
Speaker 12: There's just one team and you just want to get
1:51:53
Speaker 12: in so you can have that chance to get there
1:51:58
Speaker 12: or go back. Eighth year for Carolina, and you know,
1:52:02
Speaker 12: there was there was noise like well, what they do
1:52:05
Speaker 12: doesn't work. They burn themselves out, they get tired and
1:52:08
Speaker 12: they run out of gas. And Rod Brindemore, the head
1:52:13
Speaker 12: coach of the Cane said, my style works. We're going
1:52:16
Speaker 12: to keep playing this way and we're going to keep going.
1:52:19
Speaker 12: And if if you go back Florida winning back to
1:52:23
Speaker 12: back Cups. They they went in and lost in the
1:52:25
Speaker 12: final to Vegas, but it was you know, second and
1:52:29
Speaker 12: third trips back there, which is, you know, not not typical.
1:52:34
Speaker 12: You look at Vegas, they won a Stanley Cup in
1:52:35
Speaker 12: their sixth year. After they made the final their first year.
1:52:39
Speaker 12: It took them five years to get back Tampa Bay.
1:52:44
Speaker 12: That group won the Cup in their seventh and eighth
1:52:47
Speaker 12: year in the playoffs after having the best record in
1:52:50
Speaker 12: the league in their sixth year in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen.
1:52:54
Speaker 12: Here getting swept in the first round by Columbus Saint
1:52:57
Speaker 12: Louis in twenty nineteen, everybody looks at him. They were
1:53:00
Speaker 12: in last place in January, but they had made the
1:53:03
Speaker 12: playoffs in six to seven years, and they won it
1:53:07
Speaker 12: in the seventh of eight. In the playoffs, Alexander of
1:53:09
Speaker 12: Vetchkin took ten trips to the playoffs before he won
1:53:11
Speaker 12: a Stanley Cup championship. Pittsburgh lost in eight one and
1:53:15
Speaker 12: oh nine, still early on, but it took him seven
1:53:17
Speaker 12: years to get back to win their back to back cups.
1:53:21
Speaker 12: So it's got to be your year. Everything's got to
1:53:25
Speaker 12: fall in place. But I thought, you know, I thought,
1:53:27
Speaker 12: for Utah fans, that's that's something really, you know, newsworthy
1:53:32
Speaker 12: to look out there. You know how long it takes.
1:53:36
Speaker 12: And Bill Armstrong has said takes a decade to build
1:53:40
Speaker 12: a Stanley Cup champion, and you know, Utah got a
1:53:45
Speaker 12: couple of years head start from a previous era. But
1:53:49
Speaker 12: this was the fifth year with head coach Andre Turney
1:53:52
Speaker 12: behind the bench, first year in the playoffs, So.
1:53:57
Speaker 4: Eight years in a row, like nobody wants to win
1:54:00
Speaker 4: eight years? What's a reasonable what's a reasonable timeline in
1:54:04
Speaker 4: your mind? For well, none of us thought that Utah
1:54:07
Speaker 4: was gonna win the Stanley Cup this year. I think
1:54:10
Speaker 4: I was of the opinion that they could have at
1:54:12
Speaker 4: least advanced out of that first round, even though obviously
1:54:14
Speaker 4: the Knights were a great team. They ended up winning
1:54:16
Speaker 4: the West. How many years back to back to back
1:54:21
Speaker 4: do you need to be building on playoffs? Success and momentum,
1:54:25
Speaker 4: do you think before you really have a breakthrough, you know,
1:54:29
Speaker 4: I'd say maybe your third if you can win a
1:54:34
Speaker 4: series next year and again, you can go to the
1:54:36
Speaker 4: playoffs next year losing the first round again, and it's
1:54:41
Speaker 4: it's just how it goes, which is why at the
1:54:45
Speaker 4: end of the year, Bill Armstrong says, we just want
1:54:47
Speaker 4: to get back to the playoffs. We want to get
1:54:50
Speaker 4: back in and it's hard to make it. First of all, right,
1:54:54
Speaker 4: there was there were six teams that made the playoffs
1:54:58
Speaker 4: last season that didn't get back to it this year.
1:55:02
Speaker 4: You know, you can get on a run, you can
1:55:04
Speaker 4: get hot.
1:55:05
Speaker 12: Uh, Montreal in twenty twenty one, just they got they
1:55:13
Speaker 12: they went on a run, they got to the they
1:55:15
Speaker 12: got to the final. You know, you can you can
1:55:20
Speaker 12: go back and over the years out pick out some
1:55:24
Speaker 12: spots as some teams that that made that run. Didn't
1:55:27
Speaker 12: mean they went back to the Stanley Cup finals three
1:55:30
Speaker 12: straight years.
1:55:30
Speaker 6: No, they got there.
1:55:31
Speaker 12: In Pittsburgh's case, took them seven to get back, took
1:55:35
Speaker 12: Vegas five to get back. Just it just got to
1:55:40
Speaker 12: be your time. Everything's got everything's got a fall. But
1:55:43
Speaker 12: you know, I think if you were you know, building
1:55:46
Speaker 12: this out as everything is gone so far from Utah.
1:55:50
Speaker 12: You know, want to have a chance to get in
1:55:52
Speaker 12: the playoffs. Get into the playoffs. You saw what it
1:55:55
Speaker 12: was like. You come back, you're hungry, you're upset how
1:55:57
Speaker 12: things ended. You can make a run now year, could
1:56:01
Speaker 12: do it the third year. I think now that you've
1:56:06
Speaker 12: shown your playoff team, you're kind of done with. Okay,
1:56:10
Speaker 12: this year, we want to do this, do this, do this,
1:56:12
Speaker 12: it's get in and go.
1:56:17
Speaker 4: A lot of hockey people were not surprised by this.
1:56:22
Speaker 4: To me, it's hard to get used to the fact
1:56:24
Speaker 4: the idea that a guy who became your head coach
1:56:28
Speaker 4: eight days before, eight games before the end of your
1:56:31
Speaker 4: regular season took you all the way to the Stanley
1:56:33
Speaker 4: Cup Finals is not your coach still going into next year.
1:56:38
Speaker 4: But again, there are a lot of hockey people that
1:56:41
Speaker 4: think that the Las Vegas situation with John Tortorella was
1:56:44
Speaker 4: somewhat predictable and that division always was just to have
1:56:48
Speaker 4: him finish out the year for Vegas and never really
1:56:52
Speaker 4: in his mind or in the franchise's mind, for it
1:56:55
Speaker 4: to go much longer than that. Of course, that's how
1:56:58
Speaker 4: it ended up playing out. I'm looking at it through
1:57:00
Speaker 4: the lens.
1:57:00
Speaker 3: Of every other sport we've ever watched, and with rare,
1:57:05
Speaker 3: rare exception, if you make it this far, and if
1:57:07
Speaker 3: you do this good of a job, you were invited
1:57:09
Speaker 3: to come back and try to do it again.
1:57:12
Speaker 4: But Vegas has moved on from John Tortorello. They've elevated
1:57:15
Speaker 4: their AHL affiliate coach, the Silver Knights coach Ryan Craig,
1:57:21
Speaker 4: to now the big club, which again doesn't follow the
1:57:24
Speaker 4: model of a lot of other sports. But your thoughts
1:57:28
Speaker 4: on John Tortorella and the Las Vegas gold Knights deciding
1:57:32
Speaker 4: that that little, uh whatever it was, eight week run,
1:57:35
Speaker 4: that was good enough for us.
1:57:37
Speaker 12: He said throughout this is through the end of the season, okay,
1:57:43
Speaker 12: And then he said it again in the Stanley Cup Final.
1:57:46
Speaker 12: He's like, this is just through the end of the season.
1:57:51
Speaker 12: Vegas does things their own way, as we've seen. I
1:57:55
Speaker 12: thought the two paragraph press release yesterday the Tortorella would
1:58:00
Speaker 12: not return before their players even did postseason exit interviews
1:58:08
Speaker 12: to the media. I thought it was a little short.
1:58:11
Speaker 12: I don't want to say hearse. I think they're ticked
1:58:17
Speaker 12: that they didn't they didn't win the Stanley Cup final.
1:58:20
Speaker 12: I I don't know, man, Like you look at you know,
1:58:26
Speaker 12: sticking with Carter Hart not going to Baden Hill. You
1:58:29
Speaker 12: look at the second round draft pick that they surrendered
1:58:32
Speaker 12: when they didn't go to that bizarre postgame press conference
1:58:37
Speaker 12: after Game six beating Anaheim, that weird night they lose
1:58:42
Speaker 12: that second round, or that you know that they're chopping
1:58:45
Speaker 12: at the bit to trade next year at the deadline.
1:58:48
Speaker 3: Wait, how pissed are you if you're part of the
1:58:50
Speaker 3: franchise and the guy who was there as a temp
1:58:54
Speaker 3: costs you a draft pick.
1:58:57
Speaker 12: That's not ideal, a draft pick that that they wanted
1:58:59
Speaker 12: to trade. Right, they trade most of their high, higher
1:59:02
Speaker 12: draft picks. But I kind of felt in that release,
1:59:05
Speaker 12: reading between the lines, you know they weren't they there
1:59:13
Speaker 12: just seemed to be a riff of some sort. And
1:59:16
Speaker 12: John Tortorella did say throughout this is a through the
1:59:20
Speaker 12: end of the season. But did we all believe that.
1:59:24
Speaker 12: I guess we weren't in the Vegas meetings and know
1:59:27
Speaker 12: their they're planned. Ryan Craig is the exact opposite of
1:59:31
Speaker 12: John Tortorella. He was a player that went straight to
1:59:35
Speaker 12: the NHL as an assistant coach and was a Vegas
1:59:39
Speaker 12: assistant coach for six years, and then kind of looks
1:59:41
Speaker 12: like now they said, Okay, get on the highway, go
1:59:44
Speaker 12: two exits down to Henderson, get some coaching experience in
1:59:47
Speaker 12: the AHL, and we'll see how things go. And they
1:59:51
Speaker 12: stick with their plan there. But he's the exact opposite.
1:59:55
Speaker 12: He doesn't he's not entertaining. I don't want to say Vanilla.
2:00:00
Speaker 12: He's a nice guy, he's a good coach, but the
2:00:04
Speaker 12: exact opposite of Torrella.
2:00:05
Speaker 6: But I guess, I.
2:00:06
Speaker 12: Guess that was their plan. So of c here's my thing.
2:00:11
Speaker 12: So they wouldn't let Edmonton talk to Bruce Cassidy, who
2:00:14
Speaker 12: they fired, and Edmonton had interest in firing a coach
2:00:18
Speaker 12: without a coach to hire because they couldn't get Bruce Cassidy.
2:00:22
Speaker 12: And now Mike Babcock is being investigated by the NHL
2:00:25
Speaker 12: for how things ended up in Columbus before he ever
2:00:28
Speaker 12: even coached a game. But Kelly mccruma, the GM of Vegas,
2:00:31
Speaker 12: did say he has allowed one team to talk to
2:00:35
Speaker 12: Bruce Cassidy and he's taking it on a case by
2:00:37
Speaker 12: case basis, So we don't know who that is right now.
2:00:40
Speaker 12: The only team without a head coach is Edmonton because
2:00:42
Speaker 12: Toronto from their fifty zoom calls, identified Jim Hiller from
2:00:47
Speaker 12: LA who was fired mid season to hire them, which
2:00:50
Speaker 12: is a different story. But I'm thinking, I'll be honest
2:00:54
Speaker 12: with you, I would be more afraid of John Torrirella
2:00:58
Speaker 12: going to Edmonton than I would be a Bruce Kee
2:01:00
Speaker 12: cascity in terms of immediate impacts.
2:01:03
Speaker 6: That's what I was getting at there.
2:01:07
Speaker 4: I'm I'm curious to see how it works out because
2:01:09
Speaker 4: obviously it's non traditional for a Stanley Cup finals team,
2:01:14
Speaker 4: for an NBA Finals team, for a team that has
2:01:17
Speaker 4: a lot of really good things going for them to
2:01:20
Speaker 4: then have such a significant shake up at the top,
2:01:23
Speaker 4: and it can be something that either elevates you to
2:01:26
Speaker 4: the next level, as we saw many years ago with
2:01:29
Speaker 4: the Warriors moving on from Mark Jackson who had really
2:01:32
Speaker 4: good things going.
2:01:33
Speaker 1: On to.
2:01:36
Speaker 4: Steve Kerr obviously, and there's NFL examples of this where
2:01:40
Speaker 4: you're just you're you're kind of the guy, but you're
2:01:42
Speaker 4: not quite the guy, and then you get replaced and
2:01:44
Speaker 4: then the that next person is the one who comes
2:01:47
Speaker 4: in and gets a little bit more out of the team.
2:01:50
Speaker 4: Tom Thibodeau's had been the guy that gets moved on
2:01:53
Speaker 4: from a couple of times in the NBA. I guess
2:01:57
Speaker 4: you could probably make a case that the San Francisco
2:01:59
Speaker 4: forty Niners did this with Jim Harbaugh thinking that they
2:02:02
Speaker 4: would have better things on the horizon. Vegas is now,
2:02:07
Speaker 4: in your mind, a perennial contender. They're at the end
2:02:13
Speaker 4: of their rope and this was their best chance. This
2:02:16
Speaker 4: is a team that Utah is gonna have to play
2:02:17
Speaker 4: that the Mammoth are gonna have to deal with moving forward.
2:02:20
Speaker 4: There's teams like San Jose on the rise in the West,
2:02:23
Speaker 4: and you know, can Vegas they didn't have a particularly
2:02:26
Speaker 4: great regular season in the first place. Can they stay
2:02:30
Speaker 4: at this level with the changes?
2:02:32
Speaker 12: They're sure as heck going to go into every season
2:02:35
Speaker 12: with that championship expectation. One player that you can watch
2:02:41
Speaker 12: out for is Pavel door Fief, who had that great
2:02:44
Speaker 12: playoff run for Vegas after starting off really slow against
2:02:49
Speaker 12: the Mammoth but double digit goals.
2:02:51
Speaker 6: He's a restricted free agent.
2:02:54
Speaker 12: He's still a kid, but you know, looking at some
2:03:00
Speaker 12: some stuff, could be a guy that could get nine
2:03:03
Speaker 12: to eleven million dollars and Vegas has him and Rasmus Anderson,
2:03:08
Speaker 12: who the top d who they got from Calgary mid
2:03:10
Speaker 12: season to sign. So it'll be interesting. Oh see, as
2:03:13
Speaker 12: popular as Vegas is around the NHL, if somebody comes
2:03:19
Speaker 12: in and gives an offer sheet to a restricted free
2:03:21
Speaker 12: agent in Pavel Dori Fiaf for a Vegas team that's
2:03:25
Speaker 12: always very crafty, always very strategic with their salary cap.
2:03:29
Speaker 12: But they they don't have a lot because they're just
2:03:32
Speaker 12: constantly on the move. But that'll be there. They're they're
2:03:39
Speaker 12: never gonna say this is a this is a retool.
2:03:42
Speaker 12: They're they're gonna keep keep going. And you know, they've
2:03:48
Speaker 12: got a good staff there, assistant coaches for for Ryan
2:03:51
Speaker 12: Craig to to work with. So but but watch out
2:03:56
Speaker 12: for Pavel Dorifia because boy, it suld be interesting if
2:03:59
Speaker 12: somebody gave him an offer seat we talk about it
2:04:02
Speaker 12: and then we never see it. But Saint Louis did
2:04:05
Speaker 12: it to Edmondson a couple of years ago, got DLLN
2:04:07
Speaker 12: Holloway and Philip Roberg. See if anybody does it to
2:04:10
Speaker 12: pave El door Fiaf, because that'd be uh, that'd be
2:04:13
Speaker 12: a wrinkle there.
2:04:16
Speaker 4: Congratulations to all you Utah Mammoth fans because the Utah
2:04:21
Speaker 4: Mammoth were in the playoffs this year. The television ratings
2:04:25
Speaker 4: for the Stanley Cup Playoffs were.
2:04:27
Speaker 1: Up sixty eight percent over last year.
2:04:29
Speaker 4: And I'm going to say that's because Utah was in
2:04:31
Speaker 4: it and all the Utah viewers watching it. This is
2:04:33
Speaker 4: the best American ratings that the NHL playoffs have ever gotten.
2:04:37
Speaker 1: This is great news for the league.
2:04:40
Speaker 6: I'll tell you.
2:04:41
Speaker 12: Oh see, just an example of that, My family was
2:04:47
Speaker 12: up at our cabin over the weekend and the two
2:04:51
Speaker 12: boys from next door come over ten and seven, okay,
2:04:56
Speaker 12: and start talking about hockey and we're like really, He's like, yeah,
2:05:01
Speaker 12: we want Vegas. And we talked hockey for for ten
2:05:06
Speaker 12: minutes and had never broached any kind of sport, uh
2:05:13
Speaker 12: with with our our two friends from next door. Like
2:05:18
Speaker 12: it's it's caught on, you know. Uh you talked about
2:05:25
Speaker 12: the Mammoth. Hear that that we've seen. But I think
2:05:29
Speaker 12: Utah kept kept watching and and I'm excited to see
2:05:33
Speaker 12: how they break down by market, because it's always it's
2:05:36
Speaker 12: always interesting to look out right, Like Buffalo, New York's
2:05:38
Speaker 12: always number one. Usually Boston's up there. But I think
2:05:44
Speaker 12: Salt Lake, I think Salt Lake can Can can be
2:05:48
Speaker 12: there too, because just by you know, talking to two
2:05:53
Speaker 12: neighbors like that, we're like, holy cow. And and it's
2:05:56
Speaker 12: not because you know, our family is a huge sports fan.
2:06:01
Speaker 12: My dad says, did you know Adrian works for the Mammoth?
2:06:04
Speaker 12: Like no way, really and like it wasn't because we
2:06:08
Speaker 12: spread the word, which which is how it usually happens.
2:06:12
Speaker 12: Just happened to happen a family from Spanish fork watching
2:06:16
Speaker 12: the NHL playoffs and knowing everything about it.
2:06:19
Speaker 1: Pretty cool, good news.
2:06:20
Speaker 4: The highest rated Stanley Cup final in the last eight years,
2:06:25
Speaker 4: and the playoffs as a whole, the best ratings domestically
2:06:29
Speaker 4: the best American ratings that the NHL has ever seen.
2:06:33
Speaker 3: To put it in perspective versus the NBA finals. Though
2:06:36
Speaker 3: the NBA Finals peaked at what thirty three million viewers,
2:06:40
Speaker 3: the NHL Final peaked at eight million viewers, So still
2:06:45
Speaker 3: a lot of room to make up, a lot of
2:06:46
Speaker 3: ground to cover when it comes to that. But yeah,
2:06:49
Speaker 3: good news for the league and obviously by extension, good
2:06:52
Speaker 3: news for us here because we've got a team now.
2:06:55
Speaker 12: You know, you hear college football people talking about fans,
2:07:00
Speaker 12: why are you rooting for revenue? Why are you bragging
2:07:03
Speaker 12: about you know, your nil budget, your TV ratings, but yeah,
2:07:08
Speaker 12: we're rooting for TV ratings around here. I'm excited, excited
2:07:12
Speaker 12: to see it. Well, love having you in here for
2:07:17
Speaker 12: between the pipes. Next week we'll be talking about an
2:07:20
Speaker 12: upcoming NHL draft a little bit closer, free agency on
2:07:24
Speaker 12: the horizon as well. You already mentioned some of the
2:07:27
Speaker 12: machinations that could happen there. Love having you here for
2:07:30
Speaker 12: between the pipes. Thanks for coming in again.
2:07:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's see what happens.
2:07:33
Speaker 12: We've seen a couple of trades in the NHL since
2:07:35
Speaker 12: the final ended, and you know the draft next Friday.
2:07:37
Speaker 12: You tak got JJ Pitturka before the draft last year,
2:07:40
Speaker 12: right after the finals. So let's see, uh, see what happens.
2:07:43
Speaker 12: We'll be back next Wednesday, forty eight hours from the draft.
2:07:46
Speaker 12: Thanks for having me, buddy.
2:07:47
Speaker 3: Do you think anything happens between now next week?
2:07:53
Speaker 5: With no idea?
2:07:54
Speaker 12: Uh, it's it's the easy answers, no, because you know percentages.
2:08:00
Speaker 12: But I mean Bill is always always on the phone.
2:08:04
Speaker 12: It's always talking. It's always he wakes up every morning.
2:08:08
Speaker 12: Oh see, he tells us and says to himself, how
2:08:11
Speaker 12: can I make the hockey team better today on June seventeenth.
2:08:15
Speaker 6: You know he did that.
2:08:18
Speaker 3: That is Adrian Denny Utah Mammoth Insider here on the
2:08:23
Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell show.
2:08:24
Speaker 1: All Right, these Brendan Sorsby.
2:08:26
Speaker 3: Situation is a gift that keeps on giving, and this
2:08:29
Speaker 3: time the gift goes to Cincinnati. I'll tell you what
2:08:32
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2:08:47
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2:08:53
Speaker 3: And where you got me first say, the Brendan Soorsby
2:09:09
Speaker 3: situation is far from over. We're gonna see where he
2:09:12
Speaker 3: ends up in the NFL Supplemental Draft. It might not
2:09:16
Speaker 3: be over for college teams either, even though he's moving
2:09:18
Speaker 3: on from the NCAA world.
2:09:21
Speaker 1: His agent this is a level of pettiness.
2:09:25
Speaker 4: It's just wonderful to see Brendan Sorosby's agent, whose name
2:09:31
Speaker 4: is Ron Slaven, just through Cincinnati under the bus, acknowledging
2:09:41
Speaker 4: that his client is, you know, done with Texas Tech
2:09:44
Speaker 4: and h The relationship between Sorsby and Texas Tech is healthy,
2:09:49
Speaker 4: it's strong. Texas Tech has verbally supported him, as far
2:09:52
Speaker 4: as we know, financially supported him by not coming back
2:09:55
Speaker 4: to take the money, the nil money that he's already
2:09:57
Speaker 4: been paid out.
2:09:58
Speaker 1: Things like that.
2:09:59
Speaker 3: H The agent said this, if any should, if anybody
2:10:03
Speaker 3: should be questioned or catching heat, it should be Cincinnati
2:10:07
Speaker 3: because they knew for two years and never said anything
2:10:11
Speaker 3: and didn't do anything about it.
2:10:13
Speaker 4: That's the part that gets lost. Now, there's a lot
2:10:17
Speaker 4: of irony here. We talked about this a little bit earlier,
2:10:20
Speaker 4: that every athletic director got on a call with the
2:10:26
Speaker 4: Big Twelve president the commissioner and said, hey, we don't
2:10:31
Speaker 4: want Brendan Sooresby playing. Everyone, everyone from every school, everyone
2:10:38
Speaker 4: from every school including Cincinnati.
2:10:40
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they're in the Big twelve.
2:10:43
Speaker 1: Said yeah, well you can't let this guy play. You
2:10:46
Speaker 1: let him play.
2:10:47
Speaker 4: When you let him play, and you didn't tell anybody
2:10:51
Speaker 4: about it, you found out, according to the agent, And
2:10:55
Speaker 4: the agent, by the way, knows a heck of a
2:10:56
Speaker 4: lot more than any watchdog organization. But the watchdog organizations,
2:11:01
Speaker 4: one of the apps alerted Cincinnati before the twenty twenty
2:11:05
Speaker 4: five season began to a regular activity surrounding Brendan Sorosby
2:11:12
Speaker 4: and betting right so this watchdog situation was out there.
2:11:16
Speaker 4: Hey here, we're red flagging something. You guys need to
2:11:19
Speaker 4: look into this.
2:11:20
Speaker 3: And the agent knows a heck of a lot more
2:11:22
Speaker 3: than those people do because the agent is talking with
2:11:24
Speaker 3: him directly. The agent has direct access to his finances,
2:11:28
Speaker 3: that kind of a thing. And the agent says they
2:11:30
Speaker 3: knew for two years, they knew when he was coming
2:11:33
Speaker 3: out of Indiana, they knew before last season, and they
2:11:37
Speaker 3: never said a word. So Cincinnati has as much or
2:11:42
Speaker 3: more egg on its face than Texas Tech in this situation.
2:11:46
Speaker 3: They just did something. And this is where PR management
2:11:49
Speaker 3: is so massively important. You know what Cincinnati has done
2:11:54
Speaker 3: with this Brendan Sorsby situation. You know what they've said nothing. Yeah,
2:12:00
Speaker 3: the AD and the and the president just gave their
2:12:04
Speaker 3: opinion on these on these board meetings that they had.
2:12:07
Speaker 3: Do you know how much slaster it is, how much
2:12:09
Speaker 3: more intelligent of an approach it is for Cincinnati, knowing
2:12:13
Speaker 3: that they've got those skeletons in their closet, knowing that
2:12:16
Speaker 3: they don't have much of a leg to stand on
2:12:18
Speaker 3: to just say.
2:12:21
Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about it, guys. I mean,
2:12:23
Speaker 1: it's it's already a risk.
2:12:24
Speaker 3: It's it's already way too big of a stretch for
2:12:27
Speaker 3: you to be on those calls in the first place.
2:12:29
Speaker 3: If you're Cincinnati, you should have been like, I'm not
2:12:31
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2:12:34
Speaker 3: Is that is that uh being conspicuously absent? Is that
2:12:40
Speaker 3: also in an indictment though?
2:12:42
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's probably like an admission of guilt by omission,
2:12:47
Speaker 4: where you're just like, wait, why Cincinnati not here? Oh,
2:12:49
Speaker 4: I'll tell you why Cincinnati wouldn't be there because Cincinnati
2:12:52
Speaker 4: knew about this.
2:12:53
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're probably right. It's probably smarter for them.
2:12:56
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we don't know what happened in these in
2:12:59
Speaker 3: these meetings with the ads and then with the with
2:13:01
Speaker 3: the presidents and chancellors that they had last week. Maybe
2:13:06
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati folks just they they joined the call on
2:13:10
Speaker 3: zoom and they kept their mic on mute.
2:13:12
Speaker 1: They're like, you can see me.
2:13:14
Speaker 3: I am presumably on the side of everybody, but Texas Tech. Absolutely,
2:13:20
Speaker 3: I have nothing to say. They just they just keep
2:13:23
Speaker 3: posting emojis only to the group chat, no actual words,
2:13:27
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2:13:32
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2:13:35
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2:13:43
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2:13:46
Speaker 5: You know.
2:13:46
Speaker 4: They're just like that's to signify they're not paying attention anymore.
2:13:50
Speaker 4: Now it's just the emojis, thumbs up, thumbs down, exclamation points.
2:13:54
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's it, You're done right. That's what Cincinnati
2:13:58
Speaker 4: needed to be doing here. But I mean, as much
2:14:01
Speaker 4: as we can joke about it, again, this is what
2:14:04
Speaker 4: this is why it's there's so many strange pieces to
2:14:07
Speaker 4: this story, wherever just like stomping and crying and puffing
2:14:11
Speaker 4: out their cheeks and holding their breath and say, wow,
2:14:14
Speaker 4: this cannot happen, and no one is like actually looking
2:14:19
Speaker 4: at some of the things, some of the slightly deeper
2:14:23
Speaker 4: layers to this where it's like, well, wait, Texas Tech
2:14:27
Speaker 4: deservedly is getting dragged for the way that they handled
2:14:30
Speaker 4: this situation. Nobody is mentioning Cincinnati at all. He never Soresby,
2:14:35
Speaker 4: never played for Texas Tech.
2:14:37
Speaker 3: He has not thrown a pass, he has not handed
2:14:40
Speaker 3: off a ball, he has not had a single first down.
2:14:42
Speaker 3: He's never gonna do that for Texas Tech. Cincinnati was
2:14:45
Speaker 3: paying him last year. They weren't paying him Texas Tech money,
2:14:48
Speaker 3: but every quarterback in the Big twelve was getting something
2:14:51
Speaker 3: Brandon Sorosby was getting. He was probably the highest paid
2:14:53
Speaker 3: player on Cincinnati's team.
2:14:57
Speaker 1: You know what, There's actually a.
2:14:58
Speaker 3: Lot of weird stuff going on at Cincinnati. Did you
2:15:00
Speaker 3: see this thing with Joe Royer, their tight end?
2:15:05
Speaker 1: I missed it. He just got drafted. Okay, I'm gonna
2:15:08
Speaker 1: look up how old he is.
2:15:11
Speaker 6: Joe Royer is he was born in.
2:15:17
Speaker 4: He's twenty four years old. Okay, this is another weird
2:15:23
Speaker 4: thing at Cincinnati. I wasn't been planning on talking about this,
2:15:26
Speaker 4: but Cincinnati, You've got some issues happening.
2:15:29
Speaker 3: He's dating a girl named Riley Stepp who just graduated
2:15:34
Speaker 3: from high school. Guess who the tight ends coach? Joe
2:15:40
Speaker 3: Royer played tight end.
2:15:41
Speaker 4: Guess who the tight ends coach at Cincinnati is that
2:15:44
Speaker 4: coach step That is Josh step So Joe Royer twenty
2:15:51
Speaker 4: four dating a high school girl whose dad is her
2:15:57
Speaker 4: position coach.
2:15:59
Speaker 1: Now I happen to, yeah, his position coach.
2:16:03
Speaker 3: I happened to be on the team when there was
2:16:06
Speaker 3: a guy on the team dating the offensive line coach
2:16:12
Speaker 3: at the time, dating his daughter. Okay, he was not
2:16:15
Speaker 3: an offensive lineman dating the dating the offensive line coach's daughter.
2:16:19
Speaker 3: It was the guy who played another position dating the
2:16:21
Speaker 3: offensive line coach's daughter. And they were taking every measure
2:16:26
Speaker 3: possible to hide this. She was not in high school,
2:16:32
Speaker 3: he was not twenty four years old. This was two
2:16:35
Speaker 3: college age kids, maybe separated by a year.
2:16:38
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
2:16:39
Speaker 4: Two college age kids that were dating that happened to
2:16:42
Speaker 4: have like you know that link because he was on
2:16:45
Speaker 4: the football team. Her dad as a football coach. Okay,
2:16:48
Speaker 4: they were like, please don't let coach find out. I
2:16:50
Speaker 4: don't want coach to find out that I'm dating his daughter.
2:16:53
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to have to talk to a coach. No,
2:16:55
Speaker 4: no coach wants to have to talk to a player
2:16:57
Speaker 4: about dating their daughter.
2:16:58
Speaker 3: This guy, this coach, Josh Stepp, was his daughter was
2:17:02
Speaker 3: showing up to Cincinnati games wearing a Royer jersey while.
2:17:06
Speaker 1: She's still in high school. They're dating. He's twenty four,
2:17:10
Speaker 1: she's high school age. The dad is the coach, you know,
2:17:14
Speaker 1: twisted and weird.
2:17:15
Speaker 7: That is.
2:17:18
Speaker 6: Cincinnati.
2:17:19
Speaker 3: You got some problems man, And let's just say, hopefully
2:17:22
Speaker 3: nothing inappropriate was happening between the high school age girl
2:17:30
Speaker 3: and this twenty four year old player. It's it's sus
2:17:35
Speaker 3: no matter what though. I mean, Kyle Philipowski jazz man
2:17:39
Speaker 3: had an interesting little scandal with his older girlfriend that
2:17:43
Speaker 3: he may or may not have been dating while he
2:17:45
Speaker 3: was still.
2:17:45
Speaker 1: In high school.
2:17:46
Speaker 3: I think I don't know if they got married yet,
2:17:48
Speaker 3: but it so weird things. Weird things happen that way sometimes.
2:17:54
Speaker 3: Hopefully nothing crazy inappropriate happened with these two. She was
2:18:00
Speaker 3: still in high school. Yeah, it's now if so. I
2:18:04
Speaker 3: turned eighteen on like the second day of my senior
2:18:08
Speaker 3: year of high school. I was the oldest in my grade,
2:18:10
Speaker 3: one of the oldest in my grade. Shout out Ozzie.
2:18:12
Speaker 3: He's the only guy who was older than me. The
2:18:14
Speaker 3: only boy was older than me by like days.
2:18:16
Speaker 1: He was. Yeah, he was like like a couple of
2:18:18
Speaker 1: weeks older.
2:18:19
Speaker 4: I think he was supposed to be in the older grade,
2:18:21
Speaker 4: but his parents didn't want him to be the youngest.
2:18:23
Speaker 1: Right.
2:18:24
Speaker 4: Shout out Katie Corbridge. She was the only girl who
2:18:27
Speaker 4: was older than me. I think in my grade, I
2:18:31
Speaker 4: was like one of the oldest ones in the grade
2:18:32
Speaker 4: I was. My birthday was always Labor day, Labor Day weekend,
2:18:37
Speaker 4: which that's when that's when school started.
2:18:39
Speaker 3: Right, So I was eighteen. I was sixteen my sophomore year.
2:18:43
Speaker 3: I was eighteen my whole senior year. Even if she's
2:18:47
Speaker 3: like that, right, you're not weird. It would have been
2:18:49
Speaker 3: if I had a twenty four year old girlfriend. Well,
2:18:51
Speaker 3: I was still in high school. It's still even though
2:18:57
Speaker 3: you're legally an adult, when when you're a high school student,
2:19:01
Speaker 3: you're still not quite legally an adult. Like it's okay,
2:19:04
Speaker 3: So it's kind of weird when you're in college and
2:19:09
Speaker 3: you have the high school girlfriend, even if you met
2:19:11
Speaker 3: while you were both in high school. Right when you
2:19:13
Speaker 3: move on and she's still your girlfriend, it's weird. There's
2:19:17
Speaker 3: a weird dynamic there. I don't think there's anything particularly
2:19:19
Speaker 3: wrong with it, but it's weird. She's still in high
2:19:21
Speaker 3: school now you're in college. It's a little bit weird
2:19:24
Speaker 3: if you're off in like the professional world, if you're
2:19:27
Speaker 3: twenty eight thirty years old, and you have a high
2:19:30
Speaker 3: school or not a high school, and you have a
2:19:31
Speaker 3: college girlfriend or boyfriend, because you're in different phases of
2:19:35
Speaker 3: your life. Again, that's totally legal. It's probably not morally wrong.
2:19:39
Speaker 3: But there's something a little weird to it.
2:19:41
Speaker 5: Right.
2:19:42
Speaker 3: My wife and I are six years apart, six and
2:19:44
Speaker 3: a half, so like we have the same age gap
2:19:48
Speaker 3: as Joe Royer and this girlfriend of his. I met
2:19:52
Speaker 3: my wife when I was thirty four years old. When
2:19:55
Speaker 3: you're in full adulthood, that age gap doesn't matter that much.
2:19:58
Speaker 3: When you're graduating and going to the NFL from college
2:20:02
Speaker 3: at twenty four years old and your girlfriend she just
2:20:06
Speaker 3: graduated high school late May, early June.
2:20:11
Speaker 1: That's weird, man. But the weirdest thing.
2:20:14
Speaker 3: About it is that the dad is the position coach. Yeah,
2:20:17
Speaker 3: he he probably knows all about it.
2:20:21
Speaker 1: That it's so strange. Yeah, very odd.
2:20:26
Speaker 4: Cincinnati. I think I think they have a policy there.
2:20:29
Speaker 4: They just looked the other way on everything, just everything.
2:20:33
Speaker 4: That's just the Cincinnati way of things. Let's just not
2:20:35
Speaker 4: talk about it. This is weird.
2:20:38
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it.
2:20:40
Speaker 3: The other thing about this, that you know Brennan Sorosby's
2:20:43
Speaker 3: agent is totally totally fine, probably right to point the
2:20:49
Speaker 3: finger at Cincinnati, like, come on, how did you how
2:20:53
Speaker 3: did you not do anything about this?
2:20:55
Speaker 1: Why?
2:20:55
Speaker 3: Why is everyone so mad at Texas Tech when they
2:20:57
Speaker 3: didn't do anything about this, and they had full knowledge
2:20:59
Speaker 3: of it years ago. Sure, but from a Big twelve perspective,
2:21:06
Speaker 3: from NCAA perspective, what can you do to Cincinnati? Like,
2:21:09
Speaker 3: there's probably not anything you can do to Cincinnati. Obviously
2:21:13
Speaker 3: Brendan Soorsby has voluntarily taken himself out of the game.
2:21:16
Speaker 3: The other thing about it is, how about you, mister agent?
2:21:19
Speaker 3: How long have you known about it? And yet you're
2:21:22
Speaker 3: still telling people, yes, please please let my client play
2:21:26
Speaker 3: on your football team.
2:21:27
Speaker 1: I mean, there's ethical concerns here.
2:21:28
Speaker 3: Ever, I actually think you can if Brendan Soresby is
2:21:32
Speaker 3: determined to be ineligible, like you could take wins away
2:21:36
Speaker 3: from Cincinnati, vacate wins. That's a good point, and wins
2:21:40
Speaker 3: like other kind of sanctions there.
2:21:41
Speaker 4: Yet you could, you absolutely could take scholarships and wins
2:21:44
Speaker 4: away from Cincinnati, and you probably should now Texas Tech.
2:21:49
Speaker 4: Your your punishment is that you all looked like morons
2:21:51
Speaker 4: for like a month.
2:21:53
Speaker 1: Cincinnati.
2:21:53
Speaker 3: You probably should get more than just a slap on
2:21:55
Speaker 3: the wrist here. If you had knowledge and they can
2:21:57
Speaker 3: prove it, I'm sure there's a paper trail some if
2:22:00
Speaker 3: you could, if it could be proven that Cincinnati was
2:22:03
Speaker 3: playing a guy that they knew was betting on college
2:22:06
Speaker 3: sports as their starting quarterback. Yeah, man, they should be punished.
2:22:10
Speaker 3: So this is a good point by the agent too. Also,
2:22:13
Speaker 3: maybe even as you're bringing up that point, there's some
2:22:15
Speaker 3: ethical and hypocrisy concerns here. Maybe he should be sanctioned
2:22:19
Speaker 3: somehow too, Like you actually can't represent college football players
2:22:23
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2:22:25
Speaker 1: That's probably a good punishment there.
2:22:28
Speaker 3: There's no CBA, so there's no really grounds to do
2:22:31
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Speaker 6: So here's here's the deal. Will you turn my head
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Speaker 6: set up just a little bit over there, please?
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 6: I'm wondering.
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Speaker 14: Could it be a benefit to the player to date
2:27:15
Speaker 14: his position coach's daughter, Like, clearly, I heard you guys
2:27:19
Speaker 14: talked about this. Clearly, the positional coach has to be aware.
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Speaker 14: And if you are a gentleman, if you're handling yourself correctly,
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Speaker 14: and maybe there's a route that you're going to be
2:27:30
Speaker 14: part of the family, could it benefit you get more
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Speaker 14: playing time, get more touches.
2:27:35
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Joe Royer is an NFL tight end
2:27:39
Speaker 4: and we knew that two years ago, So I don't
2:27:42
Speaker 4: think he needs that advantage.
2:27:44
Speaker 14: Or did he become an NFL tight end because of
2:27:47
Speaker 14: the extra reps because he's taking care of the No, okay.
2:27:50
Speaker 4: He's an NFL tight end because he's six four and
2:27:53
Speaker 4: a half with eight percent body fat.
2:27:55
Speaker 1: Okay, Like Joe Royer is a freak.
2:27:58
Speaker 3: I would this If anything, I think it's a disadvantage
2:28:01
Speaker 3: for you to be dating because you're a twenty four
2:28:04
Speaker 3: year old.
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Speaker 1: She's in high school.
2:28:06
Speaker 4: Right, that's there's gotta be some sort of like age gap,
2:28:11
Speaker 4: communication gap. You're probably also getting attention from a million
2:28:15
Speaker 4: girls on campus while she's on her high school campus.
2:28:20
Speaker 4: There's a lot more room for conflict there and problems
2:28:23
Speaker 4: than there is for benefit from your assistant coach from
2:28:26
Speaker 4: your position coach, are you an office guy?
2:28:28
Speaker 1: I love the office?
2:28:29
Speaker 5: Okay?
2:28:30
Speaker 14: So do we have an Andy Bernard situation on her?
2:28:32
Speaker 14: Maybe he didn't know she was in high school? Andy
2:28:35
Speaker 14: Bernard wasn't there?
2:28:36
Speaker 3: Could you not know your position coach's daughter was still
2:28:39
Speaker 3: at high school?
2:28:39
Speaker 14: Didn't Andy Bernard say that she was like a frozen
2:28:43
Speaker 14: yogurt artist or something? When Jim was like, so what
2:28:46
Speaker 14: did she do for? It's like she works at a
2:28:47
Speaker 14: frozen yogurt.
2:28:48
Speaker 5: Chop like.
2:28:52
Speaker 1: You were.
2:28:52
Speaker 3: You're telling me I don't believe in love when I
2:28:54
Speaker 3: when you came in, and maybe that's it.
2:28:55
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just a skeptic.
2:28:57
Speaker 6: No, of the two of us, we've established the skeptics.
2:29:00
Speaker 4: The The thing is, have you seen Joe Royer?
2:29:05
Speaker 5: I have not.
2:29:06
Speaker 1: Okay, so he was at Big twelve media days last year.
2:29:09
Speaker 6: Okay, then maybe I have because we were.
2:29:11
Speaker 4: Joe Royer does not have any problem with the ladies,
2:29:13
Speaker 4: I promise you.
2:29:14
Speaker 6: Is he better looking than brock Assweiler.
2:29:15
Speaker 1: He's better looking than brocoss Wiler.
2:29:17
Speaker 6: Is he better looking than I am? Because we established
2:29:19
Speaker 6: that I'm better looking than Brockossway.
2:29:20
Speaker 3: So if if it's ranking the three, yeah, Joe Royer
2:29:25
Speaker 3: is at the top.
2:29:26
Speaker 6: That hurts my feelings.
2:29:27
Speaker 1: Well, he's got.
2:29:29
Speaker 3: The whole like subadult size he's got. Brock is awkwardly tall.
2:29:35
Speaker 3: Joe Royer is just like this, you know, Yeah, fall
2:29:38
Speaker 3: a Donna's big tight end. Dude, I got I got it,
2:29:40
Speaker 3: and like, there's no he's got no reason to go
2:29:44
Speaker 3: slumming it at high school to find himself a girlfriend.
2:29:47
Speaker 6: Yeah, penny for the thoughts of the father, that's what
2:29:49
Speaker 6: this comes out to.
2:29:50
Speaker 4: And by the way, how much of like your dad
2:29:53
Speaker 4: reaction is just like absolutely not get out of here,
2:29:57
Speaker 4: I'll kill you. And then the head coach is just like, hey, hey, hey,
2:30:01
Speaker 4: you gotta let him have whatever he wants.
2:30:02
Speaker 14: Man, And you could do worse than having your little
2:30:05
Speaker 14: girl married to an NFL player, I mean as far
2:30:08
Speaker 14: as well, you also do better, you know, depending exactly
2:30:12
Speaker 14: it depends on which NFL player we're talking.
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Speaker 1: Maybe Joe Royer is just a man of the highest character.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just right.
2:30:20
Speaker 1: I was on a college football team.
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Speaker 5: I was a college football player myself.
2:30:23
Speaker 3: Like, in general, I think I probably won't want my
2:30:27
Speaker 3: daughters dating guys that are college football players while they
2:30:31
Speaker 3: are college football players. When they move on, sure, right,
2:30:35
Speaker 3: when they're into it like a more mature phase of life. Sure,
2:30:38
Speaker 3: there's a character development that happens through sport that I
2:30:41
Speaker 3: can get on board with and stuff. But if you
2:30:43
Speaker 3: had your brothers as a dad, you'd probably be like, Hey,
2:30:46
Speaker 3: the superstar player, wait.
2:30:48
Speaker 1: Until he's not that anymore before you date him.
2:30:50
Speaker 14: See, this is gonna be Calm down, pal, This is
2:30:54
Speaker 14: gonna be really interesting to follow with you, okay, because
2:30:56
Speaker 14: I have a couple of friends that I would.
2:30:58
Speaker 6: Say are like you.
2:30:59
Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 14: Athletes probably had an era in life where they were
2:31:05
Speaker 14: sewing their oats a little bit, all right, and now
2:31:08
Speaker 14: they're raising daughters and they trust no one Like I
2:31:12
Speaker 14: want to see what it's gonna be like the poor
2:31:15
Speaker 14: SAPs that try to date your little girls because you
2:31:19
Speaker 14: are central casting for the most terrifying father in law.
2:31:24
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, s.
2:31:25
Speaker 14: Former bartender, former MMA fighter, want to belt former football
2:31:29
Speaker 14: player had to stint in his life where maybe he
2:31:33
Speaker 14: was dating a little bit, am I tell me when
2:31:36
Speaker 14: I'm off base.
2:31:37
Speaker 6: Yeah I didn't think, so why are you blessing? Yeah? Exactly.
2:31:40
Speaker 14: The poor sap that shows up at the O'Connell households
2:31:45
Speaker 14: what's your oldest daughter's name to pick up rowan for
2:31:48
Speaker 14: the first date, and you come walking out, probably your
2:31:51
Speaker 14: T shirt that's a little too tight.
2:31:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in my fifties. Is the thing that
2:31:56
Speaker 1: really sucks.
2:31:57
Speaker 14: And that's gonna make it even more terrifying because you're
2:31:59
Speaker 14: gonna be even more grumpy than you are now. You
2:32:02
Speaker 14: are central casting for I do not want to date
2:32:04
Speaker 14: that dude's daughters. And here's the other issue. Your wife
2:32:07
Speaker 14: is beautiful, and those little girls, I've seen them. They're
2:32:09
Speaker 14: very cute. They're going to have a lot of suitors.
2:32:14
Speaker 14: Will you allow them to be married at some point?
2:32:17
Speaker 14: It's not up to me.
2:32:19
Speaker 6: I think you might have a heavy handed say in
2:32:21
Speaker 6: this entire thing.
2:32:23
Speaker 3: My plan for now when they're very young, so my plan,
2:32:27
Speaker 3: I'm sure will be useless by the time I'm a
2:32:30
Speaker 3: doddering old fool.
2:32:33
Speaker 1: I just want to make.
2:32:33
Speaker 4: That I want to make them confident, strong willed women,
2:32:37
Speaker 4: so that I'm not the one monitoring their decisions because
2:32:41
Speaker 4: they're making good decisions. Because we've all been around, we
2:32:45
Speaker 4: know that the people who make bad decisions oftentimes in
2:32:48
Speaker 4: these it's because of some daddy issue, it's because of
2:32:52
Speaker 4: some absent presence, it's because of some I was never
2:32:56
Speaker 4: taught better than this, and that's uh.
2:32:58
Speaker 3: I My plan is not allow that and then equip
2:33:02
Speaker 3: them with the skills because if I just knowing how
2:33:06
Speaker 3: I am, I am gonna want to like follow them
2:33:08
Speaker 3: everywhere they go to make sure they're safe.
2:33:10
Speaker 4: But I also know that it's not realistic or possible,
2:33:13
Speaker 4: So I got to make sure they're equipped with the
2:33:15
Speaker 4: things that allow them to identify when I don't know,
2:33:18
Speaker 4: maybe that's a little weird. When you're in high school,
2:33:22
Speaker 4: don't talk to the twenty four year old. Maybe in
2:33:25
Speaker 4: college you can, but right now that's not appropriate.
2:33:27
Speaker 14: I'm just picturing first date, knock on the door, I
2:33:32
Speaker 14: is rowing here, Sean comes walking around the corner wearing
2:33:34
Speaker 14: his belt, wearing the championship.
2:33:37
Speaker 1: I don't think that'll be impressive.
2:33:39
Speaker 14: Hey guy, what's up? Yeah? I won this long long
2:33:42
Speaker 14: time ago. Maybe some highlights playing in the background of
2:33:45
Speaker 14: you and the ring. You still want to take this
2:33:47
Speaker 14: young lady out. Well, God bless you. I I am
2:33:51
Speaker 14: thrilled that I have a son, an adult now, an
2:33:54
Speaker 14: a great son. Yeah, I did the thing. I did
2:33:56
Speaker 14: the thing. He's about to turn twenty five. He's a
2:33:58
Speaker 14: great kid.
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Speaker 3: If your son came to you and said, Dad, I
2:34:03
Speaker 3: found a girlfriend in high.
2:34:04
Speaker 14: School at twenty five, you'd be like, eh, well, then
2:34:08
Speaker 14: he would say you met my mom when she was
2:34:09
Speaker 14: in high school. He would throw that at me. Now,
2:34:12
Speaker 14: to be clear, I was twenty one, she was eighteen.
2:34:14
Speaker 14: It was all above.
2:34:15
Speaker 6: A little bit different, a little bit different.
2:34:18
Speaker 14: I would encourage him at this because the other and
2:34:21
Speaker 14: you reference this the other thing that's odd as as
2:34:23
Speaker 14: you age, age gaps are kind of irrelevant. But at
2:34:27
Speaker 14: that stage in life, when everyone's still trying to fully
2:34:30
Speaker 14: form as an adult, it's probably better to date your peers.
2:34:33
Speaker 3: There's also a thing where like now there's a kind
2:34:35
Speaker 3: of a power dynamic issue where like he's rich.
2:34:39
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean.
2:34:40
Speaker 1: He's like a professional athlete.
2:34:42
Speaker 3: Already having been a highly recruited D one athlete. No,
2:34:46
Speaker 3: he's not probably a multi millionaire yet. But he's a
2:34:50
Speaker 3: guy who's like bringing down a healthy nil situation from Cincinnati,
2:34:55
Speaker 3: and now he's got a you know, signing bonus.
2:34:57
Speaker 1: And all that stuff.
2:34:58
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, well, congrats, here's your graduation gift. I
2:35:01
Speaker 3: bought you a car. There's a weird power dynamic there.
2:35:04
Speaker 14: Yeah, that the age gap when it's like late teen's
2:35:08
Speaker 14: early twenties is much different when it's thirty four to
2:35:11
Speaker 14: twenty eight, Yeah, or maybe forty to twenty five. Also
2:35:15
Speaker 14: for a friend of mine, friend of mine, I know,
2:35:17
Speaker 14: so the age gap gets a little bit different as
2:35:20
Speaker 14: you get older.
2:35:21
Speaker 3: Shout out, my good buddy Grant. We just attended his birthday.
2:35:25
Speaker 3: Grant and his wife are seventeen years apart.
2:35:28
Speaker 14: That there's starting to become more of a trend in
2:35:31
Speaker 14: that direction as I understand it, maybe some of the
2:35:35
Speaker 14: younger ladies are not necessarily thrilled with what's going on
2:35:39
Speaker 14: with the men their age, so they're looking to the
2:35:42
Speaker 14: older generation potentially.
2:35:45
Speaker 6: I feel like that's happening more and more and more lately.
2:35:47
Speaker 1: How would you know?
2:35:48
Speaker 14: I have zero answers for any of this. Let me
2:35:49
Speaker 14: be clear, I've tried. How would you know about that right. Younger,
2:35:51
Speaker 14: I've tried older, I've tried same age. None of it works, dude,
2:35:54
Speaker 14: So like I'm the wrong guy to ask advice for
2:35:56
Speaker 14: any of this.
2:35:57
Speaker 5: Love is dead.
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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the drive.
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