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NURSING STUDENT HOLLY BOBO GOES INTO THE WOODS AND VANISHES: KILLER WANTS NEW TRIAL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young nursing student,
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  Speaker 1: Holly Bobo walks into the woods and vanishes forever. At tonight,
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  Speaker 1: her brutal killer to walk free. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, oh my stars, you are hearing the heartbroken mother
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  Speaker 1: of Holly Bobo begging, begging for law enforcement to go
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  Speaker 1: immediately to her home. You hear her stating, I'm at school,
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  Speaker 1: she's a school teacher. I'm trying to get to my home.
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  Speaker 1: Neighbors heard her screaming, and somebody in camouflage got Holly.
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  Speaker 1: And that is how this case her disappearance kicked off.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to more of that nine one one calling off.
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  Speaker 1: The pain in the mother's voice is almost unbearable. It's
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  Speaker 1: excruciating to hear it. You were hearing Holly Bobo's mother
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  Speaker 1: raising the alarm her daughter has been taken by a
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  Speaker 1: man in camo. Joining me an all star panel to
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  Speaker 1: make sense of what we are learning. Straight out to
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  Speaker 1: Shane Dieter joining us from Tennessee form our assignment editor
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  Speaker 1: wat and Memphis Chane, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Just hearing Holly's mother is heartbreaking in the nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call. Her voice is sometimes a scream, and then
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  Speaker 1: she's begging and she's crying, and the excruciating trip from
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  Speaker 1: work trying to get home. Describe where was the mother
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  Speaker 1: when she learns this is happening, Shane. She was at work.
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  Speaker 3: She is a school teacher and she was at work.
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  Speaker 3: I know she was so upset that she had to
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  Speaker 3: have a friend or a coworker driver home. I just
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  Speaker 3: couldn't imagine, you know, getting that call and then making
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  Speaker 3: that call. It was heartbreaking as you heard. I could
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  Speaker 3: not imagine the scared that that mother had. That was
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  Speaker 3: her baby.
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  Speaker 1: That is Holly Bobo's mother. But who is Holly?
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  Speaker 4: Holly Bobo a beautiful twenty year old nursing student at
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  Speaker 4: the University of Tennessee Martin. She lives with her parents
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  Speaker 4: and brother Clint at the family home in Darden, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 4: April thirteen, Holly awakens at four thirty am to study
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  Speaker 4: for an exam. Brother Clint wakes up to the sound
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  Speaker 4: of the family dogs barking. Around seven forty five am.
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  Speaker 4: Looks out to see Holly and a man dressed in
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  Speaker 4: camouflage in the garage. Clint thinks Holly and her boyfriend
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  Speaker 4: Drew Scott are having an argument.
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  Speaker 5: As I listened a little bit closer, I could tell
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  Speaker 5: that that was Holly's voice, So I knew it was Holly,
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  Speaker 5: So in my mind the male's voice I knew to
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  Speaker 5: be Drew.
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  Speaker 3: You know who is her boyfriend?
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  Speaker 1: That's who of my friends at ABC twenty twenty again
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  Speaker 1: joining me at All Star panel. You know, it's very
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  Speaker 1: disconcerting to doctor angel Arnold joining us fronaw psychiatrist out
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  Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction, and you can find her at
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  Speaker 1: angela Arnold md dot com. Because your day is going
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  Speaker 1: along as normal until it's not. And you hear the
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  Speaker 1: mother just she can hardly talk. She screams, then she
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  Speaker 1: begs and she cries, trying to get the entire community
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  Speaker 1: out pronto to help find her daughter. All she knows
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  Speaker 1: at this juncture is that a male wearing camo led
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  Speaker 1: her daughter, took her daughter after an argument in their
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  Speaker 1: car port into the woods that goes along the Tennessee River.
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  Speaker 1: That's all she knows. When she's calling nine one one
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  Speaker 1: there she is at work, she's a school teacher and
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  Speaker 1: she gets this call and her life will never be
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  Speaker 1: the same, Doctor Angie.
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  Speaker 5: Imagine Nancy. She has literally no control over what is
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  Speaker 5: happening to her daughter. All she can do is try
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  Speaker 5: to get there as fast as she can and try
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  Speaker 5: to get as many people there as fast as they
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  Speaker 5: can get there. But she knows that she has no
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  Speaker 5: control over the situation. I can't even imagine a more
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  Speaker 5: horrible feeling for a mother.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we just heard from our friends at ABC twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: Clant Bobo speaking. He was stating, as I listened a
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  Speaker 1: little closer, I could tell it was Holly's voice. So
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  Speaker 1: I knew if it's Holly, then she must be talking
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  Speaker 1: to her boyfriend Drew. Okay, how did he come to
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  Speaker 1: the idea? Shane Deeter joining us from Tennessee, that Holly
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  Speaker 1: was talking to the boyfriend Nancy.
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  Speaker 3: The night before the brother and Drew, the boyfriend, were talking.
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  Speaker 3: They were also friends, and Drew talked about going Honey.
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  Speaker 3: So when Holly's brother heard die and saw her going
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  Speaker 3: out towards the wood with this man in camouflage, he
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  Speaker 3: thought it was her boyfriend or boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: This one critical mistake may have cost Holly her life.
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  Speaker 1: When the brother by all accounts well intentioned looks out.
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  Speaker 1: He sees his sister with a guy. They're talking and
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  Speaker 1: he thinks it's the boyfriend listen.
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  Speaker 6: Clint calls his mother Karen, at work, telling his mother
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  Speaker 6: it looks like Holly and Drew are having an argument
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  Speaker 6: air walking towards the woods. Karen says that is not Drew.
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  Speaker 6: Grab a gun and shoot whoever is with Holly. Drew
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  Speaker 6: is turkey hunting on Bobo family property. Clint asks, you
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  Speaker 6: want me to shoot Drew. Karen Bobo immediately calls nine
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  Speaker 6: to one one around eight am.
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  Speaker 1: I said, that's not Dree. You get a gun and
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  Speaker 1: shoot him. And Clint said, you want me to shoot Drew?
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's when I hung up and call
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  Speaker 1: nine one one from our friends at ABC. So what
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  Speaker 1: she didn't know, out to Dave Matt Crime Stories Investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 1: what he didn't know is when he's told Mom, some guy,
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  Speaker 1: I guess the boyfriend is leading her down the trail
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  Speaker 1: to the river into the woods. Her response is she knew.
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  Speaker 1: She did not have time to explain. Dave mac She says,
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  Speaker 1: get a gun and shoot him, and the brother Clint
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  Speaker 1: is just groggy what he's just waking up. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you want me to shoot Drew. But what the mother
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  Speaker 1: knew and the brother didn't know was at that very moment,
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  Speaker 1: the boyfriend wasn't even there. He was miles away turkey
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  Speaker 1: hunting with his own father. But the brother didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, what explain it, Dave.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly what happened, Nancy. All right, Clint was just
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  Speaker 4: waking up and he here's the dog's barking. You mentioned
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  Speaker 4: that Parry knows that Drew is hunting because he's turkey
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  Speaker 4: hunting on Bobo family property. It's actually Karen's grandmother. That's
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  Speaker 4: the property they're hunting on. So he's thirty miles away,
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  Speaker 4: and so she knows it's not bu it can't be Drew,
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  Speaker 4: and Clint has no clue. He's just blurry eyed and
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  Speaker 4: he's like, here's his sister. He hears her voice, but
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  Speaker 4: he hears a tinge in her voice that he feels
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  Speaker 4: like they're arguing. And I think he said he heard
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  Speaker 4: the word no, but the way that he briefly saw
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  Speaker 4: it just in his mind, he couldn't think who I mean,
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  Speaker 4: think about it. It's early in the morning. Who else
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  Speaker 4: would you be talking to you, wouldn't be talking to
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  Speaker 4: somebody who didn't know out by your car, getting ready
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  Speaker 4: to go to school. That's why Clint was kind of
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  Speaker 4: out of it and just assumed it was Drew right then.
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  Speaker 4: And Karen obviously knew it couldn't be. She knew it
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  Speaker 4: could That's why she grab a gun and shoot him.
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  Speaker 4: That was her She could go shoot him. She knew intuitively,
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  Speaker 4: a mother's intuition, knew her daughter was in trouble, and
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  Speaker 4: that man meant no good.
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  Speaker 1: With your mercy.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody has my daughter.
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  Speaker 7: Now, cars some money and pull camel.
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  Speaker 1: What got Holly? Please get everybody looking out. They're on
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  Speaker 1: their way sweetie.
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  Speaker 7: I got everybody on their way right now already.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: Clint Bobo can see sister Holly with the man in
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  Speaker 4: Camos on a trail that leads to a logging road,
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  Speaker 4: and Clinton notices the man is bigger than her boyfriend Drew.
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  Speaker 4: Holly's mother, Karen, tells Clint to grab a pistol and
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  Speaker 4: go outside toward the garage, calling nine one one. As
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  Speaker 4: he walks in the garage, Clint finds bloodstains. Police arrive
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  Speaker 4: at the Bobo residence in ten.
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  Speaker 1: Minutes straight back out to Shane Deeter, former assignment editor
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  Speaker 1: w at M Memphis. Shane, what is it that Clint
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  Speaker 1: the brother saw? First of all, a neighbor hears screams.
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  Speaker 1: A neighbor hears a woman we now know to be
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  Speaker 1: Holly Bobo screaming. The neighbor calls the mom at school
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  Speaker 1: where she's working. The mom tells Clint to look out,
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  Speaker 1: get up, son, go look outside, and he's say, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she's walking into the woods with a guy
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  Speaker 1: and camera. But Shay, you describe for me what Clint saw.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when he saw them kneeling and the car port, he.
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  Speaker 3: Just thought it was his sister having an argument with
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  Speaker 3: her boyfriend. So again, like we said, he saw the
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  Speaker 3: guy in cameouflaws. He didn't realize that Drew was thirty
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  Speaker 3: miles away, and so he's, you know, he did what
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  Speaker 3: most people would do, you know, until his mom told
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  Speaker 3: him to get a gun. Then he went out and
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  Speaker 3: found the blood.
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  Speaker 1: So Dave Matt explained to me, when he looks out,
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  Speaker 1: they're not walking yet, No, they're kneeling. Kneeling, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that's describe that That's.
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  Speaker 4: What really set Clint off. Nancy, because he sees hollye kneeling,
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  Speaker 4: and he sees the other person also kneeling. It's not
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  Speaker 4: something you see on any time a given day. And
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  Speaker 4: the guy's just waking up, and so he sees what
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  Speaker 4: he thinks is Holly and her boyfriend. But they're kneeling.
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  Speaker 4: They're not in a way that he would expect them
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  Speaker 4: to be. And that's a very important point here, because
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  Speaker 4: he didn't take immediate corrective action because he thought that
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  Speaker 4: Drew was breaking up with Holly. He sees Holly kneeling,
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  Speaker 4: he hears her say no. You start putting it all together,
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  Speaker 4: and you realize he didn't want to insert himself into
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  Speaker 4: that situation. He didn't see it as dangerous. Somebody on
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  Speaker 4: their knees. If they're both kneeling, that's not a dangerous situation, Nancy.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the way he described.
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  Speaker 1: Todd Shipley joining me from Reno. Former detective sergeant with
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  Speaker 1: the Nevada Police Department, twenty five years in la You know, interesting,
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  Speaker 1: well back at every crime right and you can say
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  Speaker 1: would have, could have, should have If they should have
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  Speaker 1: known that wasn't Drew the boy friend, he could have
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  Speaker 1: called nine one one. He would have done the right thing.
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  Speaker 1: But the reality is he couldn't see the guy's face. Ever,
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  Speaker 1: he never saw the purpse face. He saw him from behind.
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  Speaker 1: He describes him as wearing camo, a baseball hat, and
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  Speaker 1: that he had dark hair coming out from under his
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  Speaker 1: cap that you know, kind of went under his collar
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  Speaker 1: to show how long the hair was. He said he
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  Speaker 1: was five ten to six feet. Hey, that could be anybody,
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  Speaker 1: and that he weighed one hundred and eighty to up
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  Speaker 1: around two hundred pounds. But he never saw his face.
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  Speaker 1: So all the speculation it's the brother Clint's fought, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Clint is not the one that kidnapped Holly Bobo. It's
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  Speaker 1: not his fault. He did not see the purpse face.
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  Speaker 1: And isn't it true, Shipley that in every case people say,
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  Speaker 1: if only fill in the blank, if only I had
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  Speaker 1: worn a state belt, if only I hadn't gone to
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  Speaker 1: the liquor store, if only I hadn't gone jogging. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that could be a million scenarios. Would I could have
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  Speaker 1: should have? But it doesn't fit here because he didn't
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  Speaker 1: see the face, He could not have known who the
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  Speaker 1: purp is.
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  Speaker 7: No, of course, I mean, and we all regret things
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  Speaker 7: that have happened, especially in those stress situations where you know,
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  Speaker 7: the person realizes later that if they had intervened, the
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  Speaker 7: whole situation could have changed. And so that poor young
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  Speaker 7: man is regretting, you know, so many things in his
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  Speaker 7: life and has for years. But had he walked out there,
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  Speaker 7: it would have been a very different situation. But we
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  Speaker 7: don't know whether that person's arm, what was happening. He
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  Speaker 7: could have gotten killed himself too at that point in time.
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  Speaker 7: We just don't know, because it's all what is after
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  Speaker 7: the fact, and that's the unfortunate thing.
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  Speaker 6: Extensive searches of the area around the Bobo home are
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  Speaker 6: conducted on foot and with dogs. An hour and a half,
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  Speaker 6: her cell phone traveled throughout Decatur County. The phone tracks
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  Speaker 6: north to a wooded area forty stops moving between eight
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  Speaker 6: thirty am and nine am, and begins moving again as
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  Speaker 6: it pings back south toward the Bobo residence, but not
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  Speaker 6: on the same route today.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Crimestory, investigative reporter. We heard earlier that when the
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  Speaker 1: brother Clint goes into the garage, he sees blood stains
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  Speaker 1: on the garage floor, and there were at least two bloodstains,
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  Speaker 1: as I recall, one about the size of a fist,
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  Speaker 1: and one a much smaller blood drop. Drop. That's significant
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  Speaker 1: that it was a drop, not a smear, not a transfer,
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  Speaker 1: but a drop. Describe the blood the brother Clint finds
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  Speaker 1: in the Bobo family garage.
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  Speaker 4: The blood drop is you just mentioned, Nancy. That's actually
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  Speaker 4: the real big indicator that there was probably an injury
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  Speaker 4: that was bleeding profusely enough that it would fall off
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  Speaker 4: of her body. And by the way, the blood did
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  Speaker 4: test as for Holly Bobo. Now Clint has to assume
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  Speaker 4: it's his sister's blood when he sees it, which most
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  Speaker 4: of us would. The bigger of the two could have
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  Speaker 4: been put. It could have happened anyway.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 4: You can fall down on something, you can sit on something.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we know that she was kneeling in the garage.
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  Speaker 4: And it's the blood drop that actually is the biggest
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  Speaker 4: part of this because it shows it's a fresh cut
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  Speaker 4: that is bleeding enough that it's not just a smear.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't just cut your finger and smear it on
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  Speaker 4: the on the floor. It's actually dropping from your body
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  Speaker 4: freely onto the floor, and it actually can indicate they'll
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  Speaker 4: look at that blood to see if it's going towards
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  Speaker 4: her car or away from her car. Was she attacked
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  Speaker 4: on her way to the car? Was she surprised on
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  Speaker 4: her You know, there's any number of ways that they'll
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  Speaker 4: use that blood droplet to find out exactly how she
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  Speaker 4: was attacked, when it happened, and who probably did it.
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  Speaker 1: What does it mean when you take this blood spatter
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  Speaker 1: conjunction with the story that Clint the brother is telling.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very, very disturbing story. The search is on
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  Speaker 1: on foot with dogs. The phone. Her phone tracks north
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  Speaker 1: to a wooded area near I forty. It stops moving.
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  Speaker 1: Remember all this is happening in the early morning hour.
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  Speaker 1: She gets up study at four point thirty a m.
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  Speaker 1: She's heading to school, Mom's at work, Dad's at work.
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  Speaker 1: The phone stops moving. By nine am, it begins moving again,
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  Speaker 1: pinging back south toward the Bobo home, but on a
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  Speaker 1: different route than a discovery.
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  Speaker 4: Several items belonging to Holly are found scattered throughout the
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  Speaker 4: area on country roads. Her lunch homework, a receipt with
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  Speaker 4: her name on it, a card from school, her cell
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  Speaker 4: phone and a SIM card which have been removed from
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  Speaker 4: the phone.
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  Speaker 1: Meany would argue that the discovery of her belonging, school papers, homework,
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  Speaker 1: her lunch is random. No joining me is a veteran
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer criminal defense attorney Ben Powers, and you can
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  Speaker 1: find him at legalpowers dot com. Ben, Please, if possible,
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  Speaker 1: take off your defense hat just one moment. The fact
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  Speaker 1: that her items were scattered along various country roads is significant.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like they were thrown out a window of
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  Speaker 1: a vehicle. So now we have to figure out she
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  Speaker 1: was walking being forced to walk by a guy and
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  Speaker 1: camo of atrail that leads down to the Tennessee River.
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  Speaker 1: But yet her items she would have had, like in
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  Speaker 1: a backpack or in her arm, are scattered along various
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  Speaker 1: country roads. What if anything can I deduce from that,
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  Speaker 1: Ben Powers?
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  Speaker 8: So the first inference that I have is something's already
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  Speaker 8: happened to Hally by that point, something very serious has
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  Speaker 8: probably already happened to or something grave has already happened
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  Speaker 8: to her, because now they're trying to distance themselves from
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  Speaker 8: her and her belongings, and they're just throwing them out
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  Speaker 8: the window as they draw because they think that's the
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  Speaker 8: best way to get rid of this backpack of contents
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  Speaker 8: that they now have that they're trying to get themselves
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  Speaker 8: away from, and in turn, what they've done is basically
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  Speaker 8: create a trail of breadcrumbs in the direction that they
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  Speaker 8: went to help pone in the investigation.
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  Speaker 7: In that direction.
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  Speaker 8: But my first impression is that it's a sign that
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  Speaker 8: something bad had happened prior to that moment, and now
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  Speaker 8: they're trying to distance themselves from that by getting rid
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  Speaker 8: of any evidence that can tie them to Holly Bobo.
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  Speaker 4: Investigators put together a timeline of what happened to Holly Bobo.
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  Speaker 4: Waking up early to study for her test. Holly gets
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  Speaker 4: a call boyfriend Drew at seven p thirty. Drew his
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  Speaker 4: turkey hunting on Bobo family property with his dad about
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  Speaker 4: thirty minutes away. Holly sends a text at seven forty
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  Speaker 4: two am. Holly did not send or answer another text
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  Speaker 4: or call after seven forty two am. At seven forty
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  Speaker 4: three am, Holly walks to the car part to get
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  Speaker 4: in her car and go to school.
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  Speaker 1: The so called A train word gets around that the
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  Speaker 1: A train may have had something to do with Holly
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  Speaker 1: Bobo's disappearance. What is the A train?
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  Speaker 9: I'll tell you it's Zach Adams, Shane Austin, Jason Autrey,
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  Speaker 9: and Zach Adams's brother, John Dillon Adams Adams Adams, Austin Autrey.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it that people cannot shut their pie holes?
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  Speaker 1: How is it? Here we go to doctor Kendall Crowns
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  Speaker 1: joining us. Now his expertise is dead bodies. But how
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  Speaker 1: do the dead bodies get there? And how do we
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  Speaker 1: solve cases? Doctor Kendall Crowns is with us the chief
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  Speaker 1: victim of homicide that you see on your table, I
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  Speaker 1: loose lips that sink ships. When you look at one
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  Speaker 1: of the victims that you autopsy, that you cut apart
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  Speaker 1: to determine cause of death, can you imagine that somewhere
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: out there a killer is bragging.
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: Often when I'm doing the autopsies, I think about what
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: the individual who may have done this is doing right
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: at that present time. Often they're already in custody, but
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: sometimes they're not, and you kind of always have to wonder,
• 20:48
  Speaker 10: did you walk past them on your way into work
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: that day, did you run into them at the grocery store,
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: or something of that nature. You never know, but you
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: are right, Nancy. People really love to boast about the
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: things they do and the evil that they commit on
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: other individuals.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, nothing is stronger than a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: mother's love. Nothing stronger on this earth than a mother's love.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: It is said, much like Natalie Holloway's mother Beth confronted
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Natalie's killer, trying to get the truth. Of course, you
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Gorn van der Sloot totally blew her off such an
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a whole technical legal term. Here, Holly's mother hears the rumblings,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: hears their rumors that a train had something to do
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: with Holly's disappearance. At this time, she has no idea
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: where her daughter is, and she confronts.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Them Karen Tadd, Zach Adams, and Jason Audrey when they
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: were in grade school, and knows the type of men
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: they are. All deny any involvement.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I asked them, did they know anything about our daughter's abduction?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Of course they all denied it. That from our friends
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: at ABC twenty twenty. Well, to use a technical legal
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: term on you, doctor Angela Arnold, she's got balls the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: size of coconuts.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Well, she sure does. And Nancy, you need to have
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: balls the size of coconuts to take care of your
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: own children when things like this happen, because you can't
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: leave it in anyone else's hands.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I don't blame her in the least for.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Going after these kids and confronting them and asking them
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: what they did.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Why are you calling them kids? Well, I believe on
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a train I called them kids. I believe you did
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: when she taught them they were kids. These are grown men.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: And you know what, Nancy, maybe that had something to
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: do with the fact that she was able to confront them.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: Also because maybe she thought of them as kids because
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: they were kids when she.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Knew them and taught them.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: I understand that they're grown men and they should all
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: go away for grown men consequences for what they did
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: to this beautiful girl.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, you said something really interesting right there, Well,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a lot really interesting, but the fact that she knew them.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: She taught two of them fourth grade. And yes, the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: word is they took Holly Bobo out of her own
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: car port on her way to nursing school, a girl
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: they knew. If this is true. So at that juncture,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: straight out to Shane Dieer, what did the A train
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: have to say back? I bet they got a big
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: laugh off Holly's mother coming to ask them where's Holly.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: They claimed that they had nothing to do with it,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and you know, they were out bragging about it. And
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: the mother was listening to these stories. And you talk
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: about someone that's involved, it was her daughter. And then
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: she taught these kids, she knows them, and h this
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: is Bobo is a mama bear. She went after them,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, and that's you know, I hear a bunch
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: of stories. Is that's how cases are solved, is a
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: parent gets involved.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: In has to go after the people.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: And that's so dangerous. That shows you how brave the
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: mother is.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Shane Dieter, You are so right, Shane Deeter joining us
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: from this jurisdiction off Tennessee, who was on the case
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: of the very very beginning. So the mom goes after them,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the so called a train and they laugh her off.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: But the word is bubbling around this tiny, tiny town
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in Tennessee. The word is bubbling that the a train
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: is somehow responsible.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: And then a break, a random arrest of Dylan Adams
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: on a weapons charge cracks the ice. Adams tells police
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: in April thirteenth, he went to Za's house to get
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: his truck and saw Bobo sitting in a green share
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: in the living room wearing a pink T shirt, with
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Jason Autry standing nearby. Adams also tells police his brother
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: was wearing chemouflage shorts, black cut off sleeve T shirt,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: and a pair of green crocs. Adams says brothers Zach
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Adams told him he raped Holly Bobo and videotaped it.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: This confession led to Zach Adams, Jason Autry, and Shane Austen.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: His confession led to Jason Autry agreeing to testify against
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Zach Adams.
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: And now you're saying that Sane Austen is sitting room.
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: You're sitting man, Jason Alfrey sitting a kijay? Is there
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: anybody else us?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: All? Was Holly BOI nap? Will she? Oh my stars?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: That's for our friends at ABC twenty twenty. Let me
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: understand has been Powers, so nobody knows what's happened to Holly.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: The mom confronts the h about their potential involvement. Do
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: they know where she is? She's desperate? You know why?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Because Zach Adams has been bragging. Don't you love a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: bragger for a client that can't keep his piehole shut,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: saying things like to his girlfriend, you gonna end up
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: tied up in a hole just like Holly, Or I'll
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: do the same thing to you. I did Holly bragging
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the bravado he must have had saying all that, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it gets around. You can't say things like that as
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a small town and nobody find out. Well, mom found
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: out in confronted him and don't you know, Ben Powers.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: The first minute they could arrest the brother, Dylan John
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Dylan Adams, brother of Zack the Bragger, they started putting
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the screws to him, right yeah.
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: I mean once they started really drilling him about the
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: details and getting him to admit very incriminating things like
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: you know she's in their home, she's wearing a pink
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: T shirt. These are the guys that are with me.
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: This is who did what and this is the condition
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: of things, and this is what happened. I mean, from
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: that point, it's just a matter of trying to corroborate
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: what he's saying. If you're the state, if you're on
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: the defense side, you're pointing out all the ways his
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: story doesn't match the physical evidence that they've collected, and
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: doesn't match other electronic data like self ping data and
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: other messages that might be recovered from cell phones and
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: things like that. But that's where it goes next, is
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: you try to either build a statement or discredit the statement.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Right Todd Shipley joining US former detective Sergeant Reno Nevada
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: author surviving a cyber attack. Hey Todd. Also the level
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: of detail in John Dillon's description. He gets to the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: house and there he sees Holly Bobo in a pink
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: shot a pink top sitting there. His brother is wearing
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: camo shorts, a black cutoff T shirt and green crocs,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and the brother brags that they Holly and videoed it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of detail for somebody to make up.
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: Well, it depends on what they're trying to defend themselves with.
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: Are they trying to put the blame on somebody else
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: and give very detailed information about what they supposedly did
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: and when it could have been himself that did it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure that we know all those facts. And
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: as mentioned earlier by your guest, was the details don't
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: match up with the evidence, and that becomes problematic and
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: where the prosecution or the law enforcement is going to
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: go with the evidence. Do they disprove what he said
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: or do they try to build their case around that statement,
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: And that becomes a very difficult thing to live.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, what happened to Holly Bobo
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and will her killer now walk through? Is that possible?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: In what world can that happen? Because not only do
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: we have the brother of Zachary Adams when he gets
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: arrested on an unrelated gun charge, spill it all about
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Holly being and murdered, Now we have another member of
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the so called a train singing like a nightingale. Listen,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I'm standing over the top of them.
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: On my knees.
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: She being rocky, see.
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: Foot sound of distress.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Called from I told him my sage, You're still alive.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: From our friends at ABC twenty twenty, that's Jason Autry
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: describing what happened to Holly Bobo? I mean, did you
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: hear that, Doctor Kendall Crowns, He just he drives a
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: multicolored blanket that is in the back of one of
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the other perpse truck and he's looking at it, and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the foot moves and he hears an audible sigh and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: they realize Holly Bobo is still alive.
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: Yes, that can happen occasionally in murders where the individual
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: is found to still be alive after the initial assault
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: that they thought they killed him with. Often we see
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: this in strangulations. And what happens then is they will
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: use whatever means they have available to make sure they
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: end that person's life so that person can't wake up
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: and testify against him at a later date. They may
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: beat their head into with a rock. If they have
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: knives available, they may stab them even multiple times. I've
• 30:46
  Speaker 10: even seen them try to cut heads off, and then
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: they'll also in this case shoot them in the head
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: with a gun.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And Doctor Angela Arnold, did you hear the callous nature?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Did Witch re referred to Holly? He sees the foot move,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: he sees her foot and if he hears her sigh,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and he says, this still alive.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Oh well, Nancy, they never, they never didn't have a
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: callous feeling towards her. They kidnapped her, they murdered her.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: They never had any warm and fuzzy feelings towards her.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: So that just describes how all of them are. Okay, Nancy,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: there are a bunch of psychopaths. There are a bunch
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: of psychopaths. They wanted to rape her. And you know, Nancy,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: what the sad thing is. You know when we talk
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: about she was gay, Nancy, not just one of them,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: She was gay. This poor woman suffered unmercifully at the
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: hands of these horrific psychopaths.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Talk about singing like a bird. Listen, an Autrey, good
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Tim William John one up shall underneath that bridge. It
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: was just one shot, but it echoed.
• 32:03
  Speaker 11: Underneath the bridge all the way down that damn river body.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: And when that gun went, birds whatever, all up under
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: that breed and it was just dead silence or just
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: a shot.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: From my friends at ABC twenty twenty, Bienpowers, criminal defense attorney,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Why isn't all your clients have guns that just go off?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Nobody ever says he shot her under the bridge and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: then it echoed twice. It sounded like three gunshots from
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the echo under that concrete bridge, and then the birds
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: flew up in the air and then everything was dead, silent.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: How what all your clients, the gun just goes off.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Nobody pulls it to that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: I have all my clients that the guns just goes off.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: I think the state trust to put a gun in
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: my client's hands. Instead they used it intentionally. But that
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: always that doesn't always match the forensic evidence that we
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: have in the case. But that's certainly what the state
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: likes to do. Is it's cleaner to say this person
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: Shawn intentionally.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Those pasty guns that just go off with such incredible
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: precision that they actually kill the victim when they just
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: go off, And that's what they're saying here. Autry, he's singing,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: but he ain't singing on tune because he's saying the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: gun went off and boom, boom boom from the three
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the shot and the two echoes underneath the bridge and
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the birds fly off. Now we have a problem. We've
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: got John Dillon Adams confessing. We have Autry testifying in
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the hopes that someday, somehow he'll get a plea a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: cheap plea, but yet it's still a no body k
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: how hard is it to prove and nobody tastes being powers.
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: Well, I think it's really hard for the state because
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: they're going to rely on probably not the most outstanding
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: witness or witnesses, and you know, they're probably not the
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: first choice for the state on who they put on
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: a stand because I'm sure they have a lot of
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: character flaws, possible drug abuse histories, things like that. I
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: believe one or all of them were pretty familiar character flaws.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you just say possible flaws? You mean a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: rap sheet as long as I seventy five? Is that
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: a possible flaw in your mind?
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: That's one example of a possible flaw. But yeah, that's
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: a rap sheet. Just bad character. I mean, even the
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: ones that are testifying are involved. You know, they're not
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: a good Samaritan. They're just trying to help themselves. And
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: so that brings into some concern are they really testifying
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: to do the right thing or are they testifying to
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: save themselves? To the forensics, And with that, I don't
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: have to.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Worry about it because it's just Heaven drops another bombshell
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: in the States. Lat listen.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: Six months after the arrest of Dylan Adams and subsequent
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: arrest of others, Larry Stone is hunting ginseeing in a
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: wooded area about twenty miles from Darden. Stone says he
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: saw a large bucket in the woods and beneath the
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: bucket he found a human skull. Investigators recover the skull
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: and other remains in the area and positively identify Holly Bobo.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Her skull has a bullet hole in the back and
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: fracturing her cheekbone as it exited straight out.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: To doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner, Terrance County Star
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: on Mayhem in the Morgue, Doctor Kendall crowns decipher what
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: we just learned that was found by two gen saying hunters,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: they see a bucket, they look under the bucket. Of
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: course they looked under the bucket. They couldn't help themselves,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and they find Holly Bobo's skull.
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: So what they described is the skull had no flesh
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: on it and had an entrance wound in the back
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: right side of the head and an eggsit wound on
• 35:58
  Speaker 10: the left side of the facial bones of the cheek.
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: So it showed that she was kind of executed by
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: a single gunshot wound to the back of the head.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Doctor crowns, how do you explain the fact that only
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a few of her bones were found. That doesn't necessarily
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: mean she was dismembered, does it? It does not.
• 36:17
  Speaker 10: Sometimes when an individual dies in a wooded area, animals
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: come out and they scavenge. The vultures, crows, if there's razor,
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: hogs in the area, tye oats, anything can come in
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: and take parts of the body away, and they'll spread
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: them over a wide, vast area of the wooded spot,
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: and you will find bones everywhere, and in fact, they
• 36:43
  Speaker 10: can drag them off for miles and you may never
• 36:46
  Speaker 10: find all that person again.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: The caate hook years to solve and longer to get
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: to court, But once there, Prosecutor Paul Hagerman laid out
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Zach Adams told Jason Audrey that he, Jane Austen, and
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: John Dylan Adams had kidnapped and Colly Autrey saw a
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: blanket in the bed of adams truck. There was a
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: body in the blanket. Hagerman says, Autry has been offered
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: immunity to testify, and that going to tell the jury
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: he asked, sag Adams, how did this blank get in
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: your truck? The plan was to gut her body so
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: it would sink in the water, but Holly moved and
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: made a noise. That's when Zach Adams got a gun
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: and shot Holly in the back of the head. He
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: hurt her, he killed, she.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: Held her up, she fragged about it, and he almost.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Got away from our friends that law news. So let
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: me understand, Shane Deeert. These guys convicted. How is it
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: that's some way the lee member on the A train
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: could walk free? How can this be?
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: My understanding is Nancy that Audrey has began did his
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: testimony and has admitted that he did it to get
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: a deal. And that's you know where we're staying. When
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you lose your star witness, h then.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: You got hold on just a moment, Shane Diner, let
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: me understand something. So we've got Jason Autrey testifying a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: trial with a story so rich in detail it's hard
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: not to believe, even talking about his own involvement. But then,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: let's don't forget about being powers that John Dylon Adams
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: also took a guilty play to thirty five years behind bars.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: So what they're gonna plead guilty to thirty five years
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and eight years, respectively, because they didn't do it well.
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: I think they're going to take a plea in that
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: situation because the state's got a witness that they're concerned
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: about testifying and being able to put it all together
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: in a compelling way. And what they're looking at is
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: the possibility of life without parole, or the next best
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: thing would be life with parole, which is fifty one years.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: And so under those circumstances, there's a lot of motive
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: to take a plea that doesn't always have to do
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: with guilt or innocence, but rather self preservation.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Now, isn't it also true to Dave Mac that when
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I said it was critical where her discarded items are found,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: that many of them were found just seventy five feet
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: from one of the purpose driveways. Another coincidence, Dave Mac.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: The fascinating part about where those items are found me
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: as as you pointed out, is these men were familiar
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: so much with the area that they were driving the
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: first drive away from the house and then back towards
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: it on different roads, but back in this day direction,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: seventy five feet from Shane Austen's front door. That's where
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: they found a receipt with Holly Bobo's name on it. Now,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: you mentioned a minute ago about the guilty pleas and
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: things like that, of the four members of the A train,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: only Zach Adams actually went to trial. You know, we've
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: got Audrey rolling over on everybody and creating such an
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: incredible story on the stand. Is so articulate. The judge
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: that he was the best witness he had ever seen.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: John Dillon Adams, you know, he just he was the
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: reason that even got an arrest to start with, when
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: there was no body found. And Shane Austen actually committed
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: suicide in February of twenty fifteen. So he commits suicide
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: and they never get it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Police under why.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: But they offered him.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: As killing Holly Bobo and commit suicide. So two of
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: them take to play. One commits suicide in the other
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  Speaker 1: coast to trial and is now saying it's all a
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  Speaker 1: big line. But let me ask you one more thing.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't true, Dave Mack that Autrey gave the statement about
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  Speaker 1: how Holly Bobo was shot once in the back of
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  Speaker 1: the head. Then the skull is found and lo and behold,
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  Speaker 1: it's exactly what he says happened, exactly as Autry describes it.
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  Speaker 4: Odd that you would tell the truth and claim it's
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  Speaker 4: a lie. You know, none of it makes sense, But
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. When you've got lifelong criminals and drug
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  Speaker 4: addicts and dealers, you can't believe anything they're saying. But
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  Speaker 4: when they tell the truth and it matches up with
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  Speaker 4: the evidence you've got, I kind of think you go
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  Speaker 4: ahead and believe that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially in light of the fact that they describe
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  Speaker 1: what happened before the skull is found, So I guess
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  Speaker 1: they're clairvoyant. Yet again, this is coming to the court
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  Speaker 1: under a very little used writ of quorum and nabis,
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  Speaker 1: which means that, according to the convicted killer, Zachary Adams,
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  Speaker 1: he wants to correct the record of its factual inaccuracies.
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  Speaker 12: Zachary adams former lead defense attorney, has testified before a
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  Speaker 12: Harden County judge that she does not believe she was
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  Speaker 12: a competent, effective capital defender during Adam's twenty seventeen trial.
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  Speaker 12: She was depressed, she told the court, overwhelmed by an
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  Speaker 12: electronic discovery dump and facing a judge she believed would
• 42:25
  Speaker 12: get a conviction no matter what. During the trial, prosecutors
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  Speaker 12: instead relied largely on Autrey's testimony, along with statements attributed
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  Speaker 12: to John Dylan Adams and several jail house witnesses who
• 42:38
  Speaker 12: claimed Zachary Adams made incriminating comments. Attorney Jennifer Thompson alleges,
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  Speaker 12: after reviewing the discovery, she believes Autrey crafted his statement
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: and other witnesses followed along. What's more, the judge denied
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  Speaker 12: her request for Austin's former attorney to join her trial team,
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  Speaker 12: leaving her with more digital discovery than she she could
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  Speaker 12: handle alone. Thompson said she considered withdrawing, but didn't because
• 43:05
  Speaker 12: she was afraid Adams would be pressured into a plea.
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: A judge is now considering what Thompson says she failed
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  Speaker 12: to do at trial in essence her ineffectiveness at trial.
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  Speaker 12: Zachary adams bid for a new trial continues at the
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  Speaker 12: end of this month December twenty ninth, and thirtieth for
• 43:23
  Speaker 12: the state's remaining witnesses and closing arguments. A written ruling
• 43:28
  Speaker 12: is expected to be issued within sixty days of the
• 43:31
  Speaker 12: hearings conclusion. If the judge grants Adams relief. Prosecutors would
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: have to decide whether to retry Adams or walk away.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, and now we remember an
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: American hero police officer, Ciarra Burton, just twenty eight years old,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: shot and killed at a traffic stop, survived by fiance
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: set to be wed in just nine days. Sierra and
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: K nine partner Brev American hero police officer Siarra Burton.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend