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1982's Friday the 13th Part 3 · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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  movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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  shelf, presents it to the other and discusses it at length.
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  This week we've got Coming Off of My Shelf 1982's Friday the
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  13th Part 3, directed once again by Steve Minor, written by
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  Martin Catroser and Carl Watson. That's right, two people to
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  write this screenplay and starring Tracy Savage first and
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  foremost, but perhaps most importantly, Richard Brooker.
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  Jason, I didn't take the time to write it out like I did last
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  time. You don't have all the names and
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  the connective tissues and whatnots.
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  No, I know what most of the names on screen.
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  OK, yeah, I got it. More than I do if.
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  I don't have their actual name. I have a a good enough
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  approximation. Well, nickname that would
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  obviously refer to very identifiable.
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  Yeah, that's that's the goal here.
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  Respect. Identify them and then kill
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  them. Here we are, David.
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  We're back on the couch. We are.
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  Comfortable as always, thanks for having me again.
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  It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure always.
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  It's Friday the 13th. Part 2, David.
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  Part three. Part three my.
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  Goodness, I know time flies when you're.
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  Killing, killing campers. Campers.
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  Yeah. What, pray tell, did you think
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  of this movie coming in? That is a valid question.
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  Excited, I assume right after the events of Part 2.
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  You know what I hate to admit? It pains me to my very core.
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  At the very least, I was pretty curious.
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  You like to. OK, like again, it wasn't
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  miserable. I don't.
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  Think no, it wasn't a terrible experience.
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  What is interesting though, is how much time I spent defending
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  the second installment and left Varsity Blues out to dry.
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  You've defended some weird movies along the way, and yeah,
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  that's a good example of. And you talked about, well, we
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  can't compare apples and oranges.
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  We can't compare a Stanley Kubrick war movie.
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  To Benji or Lassie, lassie, that's.
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  An animal and and I agree with you, yet we didn't really allow
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  Varsity Blues the same leniency. It's just fuck.
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  Varsity Blues. It's being what it's being.
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  I've related it to other football movies or the sports
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  movies. I thought it failed into those
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  contexts. You're not wrong.
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  But ultimately, I was surprised at myself as much as I I was
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  surprised at my interest in continuing with this series.
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  But at the very least, it confirms that I took the right
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  path. Oh great, I hope.
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  Oh yeah, choosing Friday overnightmare.
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  Yeah. Yeah, OK.
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  The problem with that is coming off of a not so bad experience
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  with one and two, the expectations creep up a little
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  bit. Fair.
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  And I think my loose view of this is it took a step back with
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  certain aspects of the yeah, no, that's fair.
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  And we'll dive into exactly what categories I felt were worse
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  than last one or better in, in some small circumstances.
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  I'm not saying 100% of it was worse than last.
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  One couldn't be. It's impossible.
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  Some elements that are good. Some elements.
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  That are bad, of course, but it's minor, so it's the same
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  director at the helm. Minor issues, I would say, yeah.
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  Yeah, back to you, Phil. I tried to get a clause where I
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  didn't have to ask you why now and why this one, because it's
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  obvious this is our our yearly Halloween installment, and you
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  presented to me with a choice. We went with Friday.
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  So that's answers both those questions.
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  So skip all that and tell me just a little bit of your memory
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  of maybe watching this movie for the very first time.
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  What year was it? Is it wasn't 82.
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  No, it wouldn't have been 80. 2 I don't know.
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  It was probably 85 or 6. OK, so you're six or six or
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  seven. Yeah, because I remember
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  watching 4 on television, and that came out, I think, in 84.
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  And I will say my memory of this one was that for a while, it was
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  my favorite when I was young. That's what's shocking to me
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  because I will tell you this is not my favorite.
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  I can't explain why I love this movie when I was younger.
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  Interesting, because if this was your favorite now, I would write
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  you off as Crazy Ralph number. Three.
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  Yeah, No, it's it's definitely not that.
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  I think there's a ton of problems with it now.
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  But strangely, and I don't know if it was the hockey mask thing,
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  I remember the box art of the VHS copy had a cool silhouette
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  with the machete coming out of the shower.
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  Our screen, which was the poster, which I thought was
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  really kind of cool. The back of it had both, I
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  believe Tracy Savage in the shower and had a shot of Jason
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  and his hands trapped in the window.
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  And those are two scenes that stuck around.
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  That happened to me the other day, Windows.
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  Yeah, so back then I was was my favorite.
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  Now again, looking back, I'd have no idea why.
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  At that age, you're not really recognizing good performances,
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  bad performances, good writing, bad writing.
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  It may have been the first one I saw too, right?
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  I could just sort of, it could be just some specific images
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  that kind of stuck with you. I get it.
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  I'm not holding. This and I may have been, you
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  know, there's just some kills in this that I really liked that
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  hold up. I will give you a little nugget
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  of what I do think was better than last one is a a killer too.
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  OK. Yeah.
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  So I think that's. Go if not the only thing I liked
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  better the last one. But again, I'm not going to
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  defend it as much, but I'm still going to go in with the proper
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  mindset. It's not Citizen Kane to use the
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  the movie that you chose to use as an example.
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  Yeah, it is living in a world which has certain certainly.
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  This series, it's got a paradigm, it's got a it's.
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  Contained into this this box, it's up to if we want to buy it
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  because we know what we're getting.
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  That's right. Which makes it so similar to EA
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  in that regards, because even though I know I'm getting a
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  product that is going to be mildly better at this point,
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  this is not the first year I'm still going to buy it.
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  I have #4 queued up. I almost watched it.
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  Oh wow, it's so close. Wow.
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  Because of the EA Sports effect. Sure.
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  What's coming? What's what is changing?
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  But I know it's not going to be anything major like EA Sports.
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  Introduction of a small this over a small that.
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  Variant of some kind, right? Yeah, but it just enough.
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  To keep you coming back. And that's what the game
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  industry does, yeah. That's a good point, and I think
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  that's the right mindset to go in.
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  And this one, the big trick of it was 3D.
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  Yeah, that's the impression I got.
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  I'll let you sort of explain that.
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  I noticed during the credits they were giving credit to the
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  3D person. Yeah.
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  And I saw the 3D credits, Yeah, but for me, that was it.
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  I'm like, I, I don't know what else they did in three.
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  DA lot. You just must have missed it
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  because it isn't. Obviously we're not watching it
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  in 3D. Yeah, we could.
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  If we want to load up the PS4 in the original PSVR, because I
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  have some glasses, we could do it.
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  I did do it. In fact, it's included in one of
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  the box sets I own. But ultimately in 82, for
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  whatever reason, likely to combat VHS, come see it in the
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  theater in 3D. So Jaws 3D, Friday the 13th,
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  Part 3 in 3D, and Amityville 3D. There's a few others, but those
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  three in particular became horror 3D movies in an attempt
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  to excite the audience. Didn't stick.
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  It didn't stick. Interesting.
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  They've tried numerous times to make 3-DA thing, but watching it
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  now is a lot of soft focus. And the gags that they do with
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  the 3D elements are things like, you'll notice, and I'll comment
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  a little bit throughout, which is, you know, the yo-yo scene,
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  the broom scene, these sort of inanimate object thing.
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  Coming at the screen. Coming at the screen, Exactly.
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  So on a 2D plane, when you're watching on TV, you're like, oh,
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  this looks stupid. Yeah, yo-yo.
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  One is 1. I noticed.
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  Yeah, I was the only one that really screamed to me.
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  Sure. And I couldn't figure out why.
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  But now I have the knowledge of what they did.
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  That's right. Which makes more sense?
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  Yeah, you wouldn't otherwise know it, but there it is.
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  And so again, we'll comment throughout, but it does change
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  up the paradigm a little bit to say, oh look, we're gonna have
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  fun with it and we're gonna have fun with a little 3D element.
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  Well I love the the 3D credits. There you go.
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  So what are your thoughts on the score?
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  Let's get into that I. Liked it.
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  The introduction that beat. Yeah, whatever that beat is, I'm
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  sure I've heard it before. But I don't think you did.
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  Well, maybe not, but I'm in it. Yeah, I, it's on my playlist.
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  Like I, I listen to it not always, but it's on there.
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  So when it pops in, I'm always like, God, this is such a fun,
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  funky song. Yeah, so it did.
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  And a very big leap from the previous disco, sort of themed.
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  Yeah, that was about it. Phil, before we get too deep,
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  the synopsis. Old Faithful.
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  Of our episode yeah here it is you ready I'm.
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  Born ready, buddy. Jason Voorhees stalks a group of
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  friends who have just arrived to spend the weekend at a cabin
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  near Crystal Lake. There it is obviously pretty
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  clean. That's ultimately what happens.
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  And yeah, I I wouldn't think Jason would travel too far
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  because he has his little shed, but this is not Crystal Lake.
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  No, it's near Crystal Lake. He's extended his perimeter.
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  Yeah, maybe it's all I think in and around Crystal Lake I.
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  Don't know the exact geography in this movie?
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  You don't need different. Campgrounds, I guess on the same
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  lake. But it's never mentioned by any
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  of the characters about Jason, no.
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  Well, Chris, isolated. Yeah, yeah.
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  But it doesn't, they don't reference that as Jason itself.
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  Yeah, yeah. Whereas 2 has that speech from.
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  Amy Steele. Yes.
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  I I will tell you the straight story on Jason, you know,
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  whatever else. The scoop.
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  Yeah. Now, having said that, we of
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  course have to watch the last 10 minutes of the previous film. 6
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  minutes. I'll have you.
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  Was it 6 minutes? 6 minutes from the beginning of
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  the movie until the movie starts.
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  All right, did you enjoy the recap and you're happy to
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  revisit the the highlights and low lights of Part 2?
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  I love that shot through the window where we see Jason
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  running because that's the first moment.
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  Yeah, that's great. Second time I watched it, I
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  just. I literally fast forwarded it.
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  Yeah, that's fair. Yeah.
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  I figured I did it one time out of respect.
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  We have to have a section of the movie beyond last movie that
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  gives us a couple deaths that have nothing really to do with
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  the rest of the movie. That's correct.
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  Yes, that's that's standard procedure.
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  We get. Alyssa Milano cannot accept your
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  definition of this woman is. Like the stereotypical dagging
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  wife. Yeah.
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  To a gentleman that we've seen in TV.
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  Yes, that mustache has existed. Yeah, Harold, I believe is his
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  name. This not incredibly important,
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  but this scene carries on for a little bit.
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  I find some of the stuff, again on rewatch for a very short
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  movie drags on quite a bit. Certain elements and this one in
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  particular opening on that crane shot over the convenience store
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  at Crystal Lake, Crystal Lake convenience or something like
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  that on the the slow like I think that's a great shot and
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  revealing into the laundry stick.
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  Again, this is the first 3D effect that we're seeing, which
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  you didn't catch. I did not.
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  But obviously playing with that a little bit, this scene, I want
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  to say is almost 15 minutes. Yeah, correct.
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  Before or at least 10 minutes, let's say.
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  It's 20 minutes till we meet the crew, so if that's 6 minutes for
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  the intro. The recap, this is like 14
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  minutes long. Yeah, it's a lot.
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  It's a little much, yeah. So I mean, it does a little bit
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  of the of the legwork of saying that Part 2 has basically just
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  happened. Yeah, she's watching on the
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  telly. On the on the.
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  Television, she crochets. And we're laying the groundwork
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  now in the third movie. Do we need to lay that much
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  groundwork as an audience? Maybe, maybe not.
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  It's arguable. And how they handle that in
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  movies going forward. But they're always all of these
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  movies. These slasher movies aren't
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  always going to have an element of that.
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  Correct. At least we find out that
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  goldfish food tastes good. Yeah, that's ridiculous.
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  Despite the fact it had dayfly eggs.
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  He didn't like it at. All no.
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  Well, once he found out the ingredients, he kind of changed
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  his tune. That's right, if he didn't look
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  it would be fine. That was his last meal.
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  Well, I mean, he had Donuts. Oh, and he washed it down with
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  room temperature orange juice, so at that point I knew Harold
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  deserved to die. Drink that, Keep that in the
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  fridge. Yeah, it's pretty disgusting,
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  this guy taking peanuts, taking things off the shelf.
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  Although I will say that he runs.
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  If I worked at like a Bulk Barn, I would be doing that.
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  He. Loves rabbits too.
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  That's. That's kind of weird thing with
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  rabbits, but yeah, there it's all just like wandering around,
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  like there is no real purpose to any of this stuff.
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  Yeah, fake. Scare.
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  Yeah, fake scare with the snake, fake scare with the rat, fake
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  snare with the rabbit, fake scare.
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  Right. All these like faux scenes, but
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  ultimately there isn't anything that really happens until the
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  clerk is on the shitter. Yeah, it's getting closer to his
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  death. He meets the meat.
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  Cleaver. Yeah.
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  Is that the meat cleaver in the chest after a couple of peaks
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  and valleys, Right. You think something's happening?
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  Opens the door. No, it's fine.
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  Turns around. Just kill them already.
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  Yeah, I find it drags. And then obviously killing the
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  wife with the crochet needle. Of course, that's another 3D
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  effect right coming through the screen if you were to watch.
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  Decent kill by the way. I thought so the first 2 kills,
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  despite the fact it took a while to get there, the kill itself is
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  acceptable. Yeah, as the first two movies
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  go, those kills happen very quickly and set a tone.
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  And this one doesn't happen quickly and sets a tone, right?
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  Like it's just a different tone. It's a different pace that I
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  don't think is very effective and culminating in these two
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  characters that we don't care about dying separately.
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  No, I'm not invested in Harold and and Ugly Alyssa.
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  So it's a stuff bowl right off the block for me, which again, I
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  wonder why you liked it. I liked it as much as I
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  remembered liking it back in the day.
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  Because holding up and like this is.
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  Well, we have a selective memory, right?
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  You're not remembering that first 50 minutes clearly of the
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  movie. So coming from that, what would
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  be a bit of a let down I would say for the first sort of couple
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  of kills. The next shot is a little kid in
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  the street with a baseball bat doing a 3D effect.
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  It's 20 minutes before we meet the gang and we're not even
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  meeting the gang right away. Just an odd pacing choice,
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  that's all. I think one of the faults of
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  this movie is I don't think it's paced well at all, like from
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  beginning to end. Unfortunately, Phil, I'm not to,
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  you know, not going to be too hard on this film, but I cannot
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  ignore the pacing. It's a thing, it's for sure.
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  It's a thing and it's bad, it's bad.
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  But we finally do slowly meet the crew in their Scooby van.
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  It is a bit like a Scooby van. Yeah, I can only assume it will
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  have issues with the engine or the gas or something and that's
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  fine. The territory, I'm accepting it
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  again, it comes with the. Territory.
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  Exactly. And I think, and we'll get to it
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  later, I think this movie does a good job of setting it up,
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  explaining why there might be a problem.
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  If you're not lazy in the creation of the movie, you're
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  showing effort like that. You get points with me.
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  That's right. And that's important to get
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  points with me. Yeah, who doesn't get any
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  points, Shelly? Yeah.
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  So we yeah, yeah, Shelly. Sucks Shelly sucks.
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  That's my first note. Lovely guy, I'm sure.
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  No, not even as a human being, but probably the characters.
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  But Shelly sucks. So this new group of teens, we
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  won't bother going one by one or anything like that.
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  But is there anybody in this first wave here where you're
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  like, OK, are you playing the guessing game?
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  Who's going to die? How they're going to die.
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  That's why I'm here, buddy, because.
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  You're obviously not going to love or learn much about these
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  guys. No, not going to be too much
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  into depth. Yeah, initially I know Shelly is
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  going to be the annoying 1 and I'm hoping he goes first.
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  Gotcha. But I know he won't because we
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  get the impression he likes to scare people.
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  So you need him. You need him for at least half
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  of the next. Couple of red herrings.
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  Exactly. We have Debbie and Andy and we
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  have Vera. So those are the main chunk, of
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  course. And Chris.
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  Oh, yeah, sorry. And Chris, forget her.
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  And Cheech and Fem Chong. Yeah.
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  So everybody's pretty much together.
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  The guessing game is not only who's going to get it, who
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  isn't, who's going to be last woman or man standing, it's
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  whose breasts are off limits and who's are we going to see off
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  limits? Off limits.
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  OK, I I got an eye for this buddy and I know almost right
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  away when Vera comes out, yes, I know she's off limits.
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  She's off limits. She's off limits.
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  Do you have a reason or reckoning for that?
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  She is just too good looking. Wow, she has a an innocence to
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  her. OK, she's wearing a jumpsuit
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  too. Which is and a beauty tour.
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  Wow. I'm holding out hope, don't get
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  me wrong is. What you're saying what?
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  You're smitten. I am smitten.
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  I do find her quite attractive, so I know we're not going to see
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  those. It's too early to start thinking
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  about who's going to get it first and how.
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  But my first impression Chris seems to be.
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  The leader, OK, because she's driving.
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  Yeah, the yeah, I guess so. For could be something as simple
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  as that. Yeah, she seems to be a little
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  bit later familiar with the area.
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  Yeah. She says some flippant line
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  about how some incident happened a couple of years ago, but very
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  like circumspect exactly. So that's.
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  Really all we know before we had to to Higgins Haven.
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  You're right, maybe it's a little premature to suggest how
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  anyone's going to die, but I think we can probably assume
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  that most are going to. I'd say 85%.
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  And if we look at the last two movies, I mean, one person lived
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  at the each of those. So you may be sort of thinking,
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  all right, well, somebody, one of these people is going to make
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  it and they go a little bit of a way to up the stakes a bit, if
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  you will. Well, this is NHL 82, so they
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  made some tweaks. They've added something.
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  Yeah, they changed the ante a little bit.
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  There's a line that's so kind of flippantly given away that I
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  almost don't even believe that I hear it when Debbie.
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  Debbie. Says I have to pee all the time,
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  and that's what happens when you're pregnant.
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  It's true, I hear. The implication obviously is
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  that this girl is pregnant, correct?
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  And so when we find out later that her fate is not great, it's
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  not really talked about it. I don't think in in the world
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  that that's a pregnant person dying.
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  And it's a thing that I never really put it together, despite
• 19:07
  the fact that I really want babies and pregnant people and
• 19:10
  old ladies. In the thigh, you've gone on
• 19:11
  record. On in the Movies.
• 19:13
  Yeah, absolutely. So this is right up your alley.
• 19:15
  Little bit. I was impressed by that.
• 19:17
  I I wouldn't, I wouldn't use the word impressed.
• 19:20
  For me, it stood out like a sore thumb coming off of Mark from
• 19:24
  last movie. So now you're like, OK, we did
• 19:27
  that wheelchair bound disabled person.
• 19:30
  What are we going to add in as the beards in this installment
• 19:34
  of this version? Right.
• 19:36
  So that was it. It was just casually said and
• 19:39
  there's one line just a few moments later where they have to
• 19:41
  get rid of the weed because they think they're getting pulled
• 19:43
  over and she can't have any of it because yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 19:47
  yeah, we're pregnant, her and Andy.
• 19:49
  I kind of got the impression that it was like a joke, but I I
• 19:52
  guess it's not a joke. I took it seriously.
• 19:54
  Yeah, I know. I think you're right.
• 19:55
  I just when I first hear it because it's such a throwaway
• 19:58
  line that it's like it didn't even register.
• 20:00
  It's exactly what you wanted. That's yeah.
• 20:03
  I just wish it wasn't Debbie. Yeah, well, because I luckily
• 20:06
  for, you know, to put the the bow on it, I got the boobs that
• 20:10
  I wanted to see. Oh, OK.
• 20:11
  Fair enough, fair enough. Top 3 for sure.
• 20:13
  Top 3 for sure. Have you ever tried to eat weed?
• 20:16
  Never. I've not even really tried to
• 20:18
  smoke weed so don't. It's it's addictive.
• 20:22
  Yeah. Don't do it, people.
• 20:23
  Lie and tell you it isn't, but they're wrong.
• 20:25
  You can't. Like it's like, you know, it's
• 20:27
  like eating. Cinnamon.
• 20:31
  Yeah, anything, anything like yeah, just crackers.
• 20:34
  It was just poof. And it's what a waste.
• 20:36
  What a waste. It's really sad, especially for
• 20:37
  Cheech and Fem Chong. They do have names.
• 20:42
  I think it's Chuck and maybe Chili.
• 20:45
  Sure doesn't matter too much while they're out talking with
• 20:50
  Vera. That's the introduction really
• 20:51
  of these of Cheech and Fem Chong, as you say, with like the
• 20:55
  van is on fire according to Chris.
• 20:59
  Like this is bad. Everything about these
• 21:02
  introductions scenes in this movie in particular I find just
• 21:05
  terrible. It's a bad combination of the
• 21:08
  Writings week and the acting's. Week and I'm bored in this early
• 21:12
  stages. Nothing pops.
• 21:13
  Yeah. Whereas in the last one, there
• 21:15
  were things that popped a little bit, Jenny coming in the car,
• 21:19
  that sort of storytelling, the there was just more action
• 21:21
  happening. There's an energy, whereas this
• 21:23
  is, I find very flat, Jeff. Daniels was very Paul.
• 21:27
  It might have been Paul. Yeah, Paul was more charismatic,
• 21:30
  totally. We have a, we have Scott Baio
• 21:32
  from Wish. Because.
• 21:34
  You don't get the Timu joke. No, I no, it's it's that I don't
• 21:38
  understand Timu makes sense. But Annie's overacting pretty
• 21:42
  flat. Shelly is just garbage.
• 21:45
  Shelly is. Overacting and I don't find Andy
• 21:47
  to be any like he's like no personality.
• 21:50
  He's a nothing burger. He's kind of nothing.
• 21:51
  Yeah, I'm. Clinging on to Vera.
• 21:52
  Like I bet you are sicko. But then less.
• 21:57
  This is what we're dealing with. This is what we have to be with
• 21:59
  for the next. Thank God.
• 22:00
  Only well, at this point, only an hour left.
• 22:02
  That's right. Exactly.
• 22:09
  We're talking about updating the roster and so forth.
• 22:12
  It's in the game. It's in the game.
• 22:14
  We've already dispatched Crazy Ralph in Part 2.
• 22:17
  He managed to make it through 1 1/2 movies.
• 22:20
  So we get to introduce. I guess we'll do it again.
• 22:24
  We'll just run it back. Just a slight slight variation.
• 22:27
  Slight variation on Crazy Ralph. Just like EA Sports part.
• 22:30
  Two with a beard, but the beard, Yeah, to be fair.
• 22:33
  And an eyeball. And an eyeball, which again
• 22:35
  holding out to the audience as if.
• 22:37
  At all I see it now you see it. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:41
  So as an audience member, if you're looking in the in the 3D
• 22:43
  World and you're like, oh, that's kind of neat maybe.
• 22:45
  But watching it now in 3D does I imagine add?
• 22:50
  It adds something it's like a kitch to it, right?
• 22:52
  Same thing like they put Jaws three out on Blu-ray and then
• 22:54
  and part of the special features there was to be able to watch it
• 22:57
  in 3D as well. It's still a not a great movie,
• 23:00
  but it adds that other element that made it better.
• 23:04
  But it's more entertaining. That's right.
• 23:05
  And because it's not flat, right, like you're watching this
• 23:09
  flat version of a 3D element, it's not that interesting.
• 23:12
  But you put it in 3D, you're like, OK, this is more
• 23:14
  interesting. So we finally arrive at Higgins
• 23:17
  Haven. That's right, not Camp Pakanak,
• 23:20
  no. Nor Crystal Lake specifically.
• 23:23
  No, not at all. It is Higgins Haven.
• 23:26
  As mentioned, Chris seems to know the area and Rick appears
• 23:32
  horny. Yeah, Rick is clearly some sort
• 23:35
  of boyfriend, not unlike Steve the first one and Paul in the
• 23:38
  second one. Exactly.
• 23:41
  Let's let's dig into Chris for a little bit here, because we do
• 23:45
  get, for lack of a better term, some level of back story.
• 23:48
  Yes, right. There's the the commitment that
• 23:51
  she's been there before. It's only been two years.
• 23:54
  That's right. That's when she was last there.
• 23:55
  Rick is horny, as you saying. He's kind of making some move.
• 23:58
  She just needs some time and he ultimately kind of challenges
• 24:04
  her. He's making his move.
• 24:06
  This is 82, so that's how it goes, unfortunately.
• 24:08
  But he's making his moves and he kind of threatens her and saying
• 24:12
  like, I could be with someone else and I'm not just going to
• 24:16
  sit here and take cold showers for the rest of the summer,
• 24:18
  which. I don't even think work.
• 24:20
  I haven't. I've I've taken one by accident,
• 24:22
  but certainly not to cool myself down.
• 24:24
  I was taking cold showers for a little while during my detox.
• 24:28
  My, no, my my burn. Oh gosh, I bet you took some
• 24:33
  some cold showers there. Yeah, that would be necessary.
• 24:36
  But yeah, I've never done it from a sexual context.
• 24:38
  I've never felt like they. Get to cool myself down.
• 24:40
  False claim. False claim.
• 24:42
  But we're sort of getting a sense that who she is, there's
• 24:45
  more to her. Let's say there's a trauma that
• 24:47
  needs to be addressed. Even if they're poorly acted or
• 24:50
  poorly written, it's at least adding an element of horror and
• 24:54
  terror to the event. And I like that they're doing
• 24:57
  the bare minimum. The bare minimum.
• 24:59
  We also get a a string of sorry I wrote down shitty I I didn't
• 25:03
  mean to say it on on tape radio here we got some fake scares.
• 25:08
  Yes, Shelly gets to make. Shelly gets to showcase he's not
• 25:13
  skinny enough. He's not skinny enough to.
• 25:14
  Be skinny dipping. That's a that's.
• 25:16
  True, but he, he's just sitting in the van.
• 25:18
  Yeah, it's a, it's a it's weak. It's pathetic.
• 25:21
  It's weak. Sitting in the van being lonely
• 25:23
  and sad and pathetic. It's the only way he's going to
• 25:25
  get attention. He's a loser otherwise.
• 25:27
  Yeah, he's sort of got a real self esteem issue.
• 25:30
  Yeah, even though everybody says they hate it.
• 25:32
  So, yeah, keep doing it. Yeah.
• 25:33
  Because they'll, they'll, they'll like you.
• 25:34
  They'll come around. Yeah.
• 25:35
  Yeah, sooner or later. Classic lonely sad boy thoughts,
• 25:39
  right? But it's not even like happy,
• 25:41
  funny, clowny, jokey stuff. Like the guy in the first one,
• 25:45
  Yeah, he was more clowny. That's right, hoofy.
• 25:47
  Whatever, right? Like that is obnoxious in a
• 25:50
  Francis candidate, but not like this.
• 25:55
  Whereas the first time we meet this guy, he's wearing the
• 25:57
  clownish mask and he stabbed somebody.
• 26:00
  And he has set him up on a date and this is your.
• 26:03
  Your moment. This is your play.
• 26:04
  This. Is what you're going in with.
• 26:05
  Yeah, this is your best answer. Jesus.
• 26:08
  Yeah, it's bad news. Bad news.
• 26:10
  But I hate all of it. And did you think that he was
• 26:13
  dead when he was playing dead? Heavens no, no, of course not.
• 26:17
  Let me ask you about that though, which does not make
• 26:20
  sense. Let's lay it out here for you,
• 26:22
  OK? We hear a scream, a female
• 26:26
  shrieking voice. Everybody rushes to see what it
• 26:29
  is, especially Chris goes upstairs, finds a locked door,
• 26:36
  knocks it open into a room, and then opens up the closet and
• 26:43
  finds Shelly with the makeup and axe or whatever it was who
• 26:50
  shrieked. Nobody.
• 26:53
  Nobody. Why is the door locked?
• 26:56
  He would have been there for hours.
• 26:57
  Complicated. It's complicated.
• 27:00
  It just does not make sense. Yeah, in a movie that isn't
• 27:04
  supposed to make sense, clearly you'd still need to make sense.
• 27:07
  I'm already predisposed to not really care, and that's OK,
• 27:10
  because it's not the type of movie that you're supposed to
• 27:12
  really care about. No, just.
• 27:13
  But you only get a couple of whiffs and this is a big whiff.
• 27:17
  Yeah, because I get nobody screamed anyway.
• 27:20
  And then there's. No tension, there's no
• 27:21
  excitement, there's no interest and there's either going to the
• 27:25
  well for the death thing, like it just doesn't really excite or
• 27:28
  interest and. All Shelly has done is upset
• 27:33
  people again. Alienates himself from this
• 27:36
  group of people who I guess they're just roommates, right?
• 27:39
  Has he's a Andy's. Roommates, they're just.
• 27:41
  Roommates tag along. There's not like anybody has any
• 27:44
  real affinity for the guy. It's like a pity.
• 27:46
  Pity invitation, I would say. You know what pity is?
• 27:50
  You're married to it. But it upsets it's it upsets
• 27:54
  Vera enough where she wants to go to town.
• 27:57
  Yeah, she just needs to get her head straight and get out of
• 27:59
  town. Absolutely.
• 28:01
  And after that, would you say yes to Shelly?
• 28:04
  Like, that's the weird part to me.
• 28:05
  It's. Like, that's a pity, yes.
• 28:06
  Like, I don't like this guy. This guy's pissed me off now
• 28:08
  twice. And I guess, yeah, sure, come
• 28:12
  along. I think it's Shelly's car.
• 28:13
  So I mean, it doesn't have a bit of leverage.
• 28:15
  It's Rick's car. Oh, that's right, it's Rick's
• 28:17
  car, so Shelley has nothing. Nothing.
• 28:19
  She just feels bad for him. Pity.
• 28:21
  It's working. Yeah, it's working.
• 28:22
  There it is. The magic is.
• 28:24
  Is there the magic? That is Shelley.
• 28:25
  Yeah, and they made-up with some punks, 1980s punks, not not to
• 28:30
  mention actually Speaking of 80s Velcro wallets.
• 28:34
  Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of things happening in this scene
• 28:36
  where I'm like, Oh yeah, this is this is the sweet spot in 80s,
• 28:38
  man. I think I had a Velcro wallet
• 28:40
  till I was 28. Probably.
• 28:44
  Possibly. Yeah.
• 28:45
  We have Jody from today's Special Fox.
• 28:49
  Yeah, Fox Loco and Ally and Ally.
• 28:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:54
  I didn't catch his name in the first watch, so I called him
• 28:57
  henchman #3. But he seems to be the leader.
• 29:00
  I thought Fox was the leader. Oh come on, there's always 9.
• 29:04
  999 No, there's always a woman behind.
• 29:07
  Not an 8282. Women didn't get chances to be
• 29:10
  there. I don't know.
• 29:11
  I think it was one of those, one of those odd cases.
• 29:13
  Yeah, right. That's fair.
• 29:14
  But yeah, so they're all in this convenience store.
• 29:17
  Yeah. Causing trouble?
• 29:19
  Yeah. Motorcycle gang very 80s.
• 29:21
  And very tame Oh yeah, that's true.
• 29:24
  They're like, you want your wallet back?
• 29:26
  Ask me nicely. OK, then she asked her nicely
• 29:29
  and OK, here's your wallet. Like there's no.
• 29:32
  Real conflict here. Yeah.
• 29:33
  And the outside Ally is just standing there with his beard,
• 29:35
  kind of not just looking at them.
• 29:38
  And then Shelly backs into the motorcycle.
• 29:40
  Classic shell move. That's what pisses up Ally
• 29:43
  enough to waste a beer, which I don't buy.
• 29:46
  Ally is not wasting a beer. I'm sorry.
• 29:49
  He's also. Doing the up yours movement with
• 29:52
  his hands, which is such a. And throws his hat like it's all
• 29:56
  come on. What?
• 29:57
  I'm going to you. Yeah.
• 30:00
  That stuff ages worse than the effects or some of the costume.
• 30:03
  Like, it's those things. You're like, God, nobody in the
• 30:06
  world does that anymore. Or then.
• 30:08
  No, maybe they said it. They did it.
• 30:10
  Come on. We got the 3D punch of this
• 30:12
  chain into the again. Now you're maybe catching more
• 30:14
  of this. So in the window, Shelley's face
• 30:18
  to face with Ali. And then Shelley races off and
• 30:22
  Vera's. She's excited at this point.
• 30:24
  She's seen Shelley the superhero.
• 30:26
  Yeah, he finally decides to stand up and try to, you know,
• 30:29
  almost run them over. And we haven't seen the last of
• 30:32
  these thugs. No, no, no this.
• 30:34
  Is clearly not too far from where they're staying.
• 30:38
  Makes sense. You go into town, you come back.
• 30:39
  Of course. Easy peasy.
• 30:41
  Yeah, you mentioned the yo-yo scene.
• 30:44
  We're here. They're just relaxing back at
• 30:48
  the camp. Yes, the yo-yo scene.
• 30:50
  God, this is bad. I'm thinking in the first couple
• 30:53
  movies there's, there's games being played, you know,
• 30:57
  Monopoly. Strip monopoly though.
• 30:59
  True, we have the handheld games.
• 31:01
  Hockey or football, the one with the puck.
• 31:07
  We have arm wrestling with Mark, of course, and I felt this movie
• 31:10
  overall didn't have that. It had a yo-yo moment and some
• 31:15
  juggling. Yeah, that's a couple of tears
• 31:18
  down from the entertainment area of things.
• 31:23
  Nothing fun is happening at all. I think that's actually a good
• 31:28
  indicator of what the problem with this movie is.
• 31:31
  Yeah, generally speaking is there's doesn't appear to be any
• 31:33
  fun happening. Yeah, it's.
• 31:34
  Pretty draft. Everything that Shelly is doing
• 31:36
  is not fun or funny, no. And things like yo yos and
• 31:41
  juggling isn't captivating. Now it is good for 3D perhaps
• 31:44
  because you can put a camera, you can play with that.
• 31:47
  And so there's a limitation that you're putting on yourself by
• 31:50
  opening up the 3rd dimension of terror.
• 31:53
  So it's worse in a 2D experience.
• 31:55
  And Part 2 I would say had not like great camera work but
• 32:00
  looked better than this one. I agree and it's similar.
• 32:04
  It's more. Polished every element of the
• 32:06
  movie up to now is just not as. Good, except Deb Debbie is an
• 32:13
  improvement on almost every. Previously.
• 32:15
  OK, You really like Debbie, eh? I'm a big fan.
• 32:17
  OK, she was my #2 she was, I'll say it.
• 32:21
  I think I said top three but she is the 2nd.
• 32:23
  There's three women, there's four there's. 4 Don't forget
• 32:26
  fem. Chong fem Chong.
• 32:28
  Who barely says a word. And haggard Alyssa Milano from
• 32:32
  the beginning as well. Let's not forget it.
• 32:34
  And Jodie, don't forget her. But so far, I would say it's
• 32:40
  falling pretty flat and nothing short of seeing Vera topless.
• 32:47
  We'll salvage this movie. Oh, right away, yeah.
• 32:50
  Yeah, we need that. That's the next level.
• 32:52
  That's it. The the second gear.
• 32:53
  If we don't do that, this is going to be a bad movie.
• 32:56
  OK, Unfortunately, that's fair. Now, what's not helping the
• 33:00
  situation, of course, are the three punks that you rightfully
• 33:03
  called would be back. Yeah, if they're like, true
• 33:06
  punks of the 80s, I imagine they would have just beat them
• 33:08
  senseless. Possibly, but they don't have
• 33:10
  the numbers. They don't.
• 33:11
  That's all but the numbers. Now, have you ever siphoned gas?
• 33:14
  No. OK, people do that.
• 33:17
  Siphon gas. Absolutely.
• 33:18
  But this is the clearest example of not unlike the first wave,
• 33:24
  right? Those first two characters,
• 33:25
  you're like, well, these guys, they're going to die.
• 33:26
  They're introduced to die. These punks seem to only be
• 33:30
  introduced to die, right? They're like, go to the town to
• 33:32
  lure these three people into the camp.
• 33:35
  Yeah, I guess so. And now they've served no other
• 33:37
  purpose. They're just going to die, and
• 33:38
  they die quickly. Yeah.
• 33:39
  One of the benefits of Part 2 was that you had 25 people at
• 33:44
  that cabin, so there's some room to cut away and kind of have
• 33:48
  different conversations going in different places.
• 33:50
  There's only 5 people at this cabin or this cottage.
• 33:53
  Yeah, you got to add some more. So in order to get the kills,
• 33:56
  you need strangers to come in. Well, you don't.
• 33:58
  Need quantity if you're doing quality.
• 34:00
  I suppose. But we're not doing quality, so
• 34:04
  you're right, we have to do quantity.
• 34:05
  So we bring the three in and that barn plays a big.
• 34:07
  Role, huge role in this. Movie.
• 34:09
  There's a lot of hay but no horses, correct, That's been
• 34:13
  said. Yes, absolutely.
• 34:15
  And I will say about Friday the 13th, the game, we talked a
• 34:18
  little bit about this. One of the things that that game
• 34:20
  does better than, Oh yeah, anything is this is a level if
• 34:24
  you now that you've seen these movies, to go back and play that
• 34:28
  like that. Is there's the barn?
• 34:29
  Higgins Haven, that is. The barn and the Jason designs
• 34:33
  in the game are exactly as they are.
• 34:37
  Yeah, I think you'll you'll get through this.
• 34:39
  You'll see like that. Those elements are like holy
• 34:41
  shit they did a great job of that.
• 34:43
  If it's free, I'd play it that. Is, I believe all right.
• 34:45
  We'll. Check it out.
• 34:47
  But yeah, so watching this is like a reminder of just how cool
• 34:49
  that game was. But to your point, the punks
• 34:51
  come in and that barn, that's really where they have to live
• 34:54
  because they can't interact because it wants to be as thin
• 34:56
  trim as possible. So you literally just introduce
• 34:59
  them to cause the issue with the gas and then Jason dispatches
• 35:03
  them. Yeah, pitchfork seems to be the
• 35:05
  weapon du jour. It's all the hay.
• 35:08
  Because of the hay, you're going to have pitchforks because
• 35:11
  that's what you use it for. That's a very good point.
• 35:14
  The first one's Jodi. Yeah, Fox is coming in and out.
• 35:17
  She's woo Hoo. She's having a good time on the
• 35:19
  swing and then disappears, which I like.
• 35:21
  Yeah, she's screaming and then you look up and something has
• 35:25
  changed. That is horror movie one O 1 to
• 35:27
  me and I'm sucker for it at all times it.
• 35:29
  Could be nothing, or it could be something that's right.
• 35:31
  So Loco Ono goes inside the barn and ultimately finds Fox.
• 35:38
  Yep, and then he has a really good death.
• 35:41
  He does. Acting wise.
• 35:43
  Yeah, you like it? I was impressed with his.
• 35:45
  Acting ability, yeah. I mean, there's a very, very low
• 35:48
  bar in. This in this movie.
• 35:49
  For sure, so I'm thinking loco's like this is my chance to shine.
• 35:52
  Everyone else is sucking and he dies well.
• 35:55
  He dies very well, the cigarette kind of dangling.
• 35:57
  Yeah, the pitchfork in the stomach and moving himself to
• 36:00
  position so that the pitchfork is looking out into the screen
• 36:03
  with the 3D thing. Yeah, I like that.
• 36:06
  Generally, it's solid. And then Ali kind of gets
• 36:08
  introduced and. He gets clubbed to.
• 36:10
  Death. He gets clubbed to death,
• 36:12
  seemingly seemingly. Exactly.
• 36:14
  He's got the worst moment to me in almost the entire movie,
• 36:18
  honestly, is that he sees Jason in the paddock and then proceeds
• 36:24
  to look underneath like a Bale of hay or something.
• 36:28
  And I'm like. Not very bright.
• 36:29
  It's not very big and it's still relatively light out.
• 36:33
  So the fact that he sort of sees this thing happen in the paddock
• 36:36
  and then decides to go in and he's like sifting through what
• 36:40
  is effectively like the ground. This is a 6 foot monster that
• 36:43
  just fell into this area. I have no patience for that.
• 36:46
  So I'm glad he got clubbed to that.
• 36:48
  Seemingly, yes. That's right.
• 36:49
  Seemingly, Rick wants out. Rick wants in.
• 36:58
  Well, Rick wants in, and if he can't get in, he wants.
• 37:00
  He wants out. We're aware that it's his car,
• 37:04
  they got smashed, so he's upset, he's pretty disappointed, he's
• 37:07
  just going to leave. But Chris wants them and she
• 37:11
  doesn't play. Fair.
• 37:12
  No, no. So they go off.
• 37:15
  Yeah. They're having a little chat.
• 37:16
  Yeah. They.
• 37:17
  Rick wants to probe what is holding Chris back.
• 37:21
  She's got a story that she needs to share.
• 37:24
  That's right. And it was going to throw away
• 37:25
  line earlier. And now she gets a little bit
• 37:27
  more discussion around she was attacked two years ago.
• 37:31
  Two years ago, there was some monster in the woods.
• 37:34
  We got some flashback into it. And what's interesting is and
• 37:37
  you don't really see a lot of it, but if you did a little
• 37:39
  digging, you would see that the makeup of the attacker, that
• 37:44
  scene was shot early in the production and it's a Stan
• 37:47
  Winston makeup. And by the time they made the
• 37:51
  movie or like they shot the rest of it, he had been fired or quit
• 37:55
  Winston and they hired someone else.
• 37:57
  And so the Jason design that we see by the end of the movie is
• 38:01
  not evident in that scene, but they cut around it so much.
• 38:04
  But if you freeze frame or. I would never.
• 38:07
  Pay particular close attention to those chase sequences.
• 38:09
  It's a completely different Jason.
• 38:11
  Yeah, this is not a freeze frame movie for me.
• 38:13
  It's just a Fast forward, quick as we can folks.
• 38:16
  What this also does is it gets them away.
• 38:20
  That's right. And I I know you know the
• 38:23
  tricks. I know the tricks now.
• 38:24
  So I know now these will be the last two.
• 38:28
  Gotcha. Confirmed.
• 38:29
  Yeah, yeah, Locked in, guaranteed.
• 38:32
  And I was not wrong. And that's OK.
• 38:34
  Yeah, that's fine. We do get the juggling scene
• 38:37
  that I talked about earlier. Yes.
• 38:39
  And what's more fun than juggling?
• 38:41
  What else could you do with your hands, Phillip?
• 38:45
  Well, put me on a hammock and let me know.
• 38:48
  Give me your history with hammocks.
• 38:49
  Things have been done on a hammock, yes.
• 38:51
  Yeah. OK, well, you're quick to
• 38:52
  answer. That, well, it's reality.
• 38:54
  You knew I was. I don't have to think about it.
• 38:55
  You knew I was going to ask as. Well, I think so, for sure.
• 38:58
  But in terms of, you know, those are the halcyon days of youth.
• 39:01
  You know, in my present day, a hammock is back for lounging on
• 39:05
  a Sunday afternoon, avoiding doing housework.
• 39:07
  Yeah, you're not getting out of that easily, you know what I
• 39:09
  mean? Which I like that Debbie kind of
• 39:11
  that kind of calls him out on that too.
• 39:12
  Like what do you even do? Like, well, you get on top of me
• 39:14
  or I'll get on top of you. We'll make it work.
• 39:16
  You make. It work.
• 39:16
  That's a good attitude to have towards hammock sex and that's
• 39:21
  hard to say. I've never said it before and
• 39:24
  like I mentioned last movie Phillip, I said this.
• 39:28
  If you recall, there's a pre sex death and a post sex death.
• 39:34
  Unfortunately there's no pre sex death in this.
• 39:38
  It's just post sex. They were able to.
• 39:41
  I mean, I guess if you look at it.
• 39:43
  Well, everything is I guess. Yeah.
• 39:44
  I mean, if you look at it, everybody that isn't having sex
• 39:46
  in this movie is technically. Presexual, I guess.
• 39:48
  All right, there you go. So you can, you can.
• 39:50
  Hold my theory stands. That's right.
• 39:52
  But they're able to Make Love. They're doing the humpy dump.
• 39:55
  But we don't. They don't show it.
• 39:56
  They they just fortunately. We just know she just crawls
• 39:59
  into bed, crawls into bed, Little side boob, little side
• 40:01
  boob for you. She's your gal and we move away.
• 40:07
  Right. The last thing I want to see
• 40:10
  after Debbie Saibu is fucking Shelly, who is bizarrely you.
• 40:15
  Define explain to me what Shelly is wearing in the scene and see
• 40:20
  if you can explain to me why he's wearing it.
• 40:22
  Are you talking about where he's underwater?
• 40:24
  Yes. Why is he underwater?
• 40:27
  I don't know how he got in there.
• 40:29
  He was last seen at the fire poking it.
• 40:33
  Yes. And Vera walks to the dock.
• 40:37
  She's just putting her feet in. Yeah.
• 40:40
  And as you do. And let me look at my watch.
• 40:43
  It's time for a fake scare. And he comes up out of the
• 40:48
  water. Wearing a wet suit.
• 40:50
  Wearing a wet suit which he must have packed.
• 40:52
  And a harpoon. Because he has to be fully
• 40:54
  covered to go swimming. Of course he's not going to.
• 40:55
  Be skinny to be skinny dipping. He's not skinny enough to be
• 40:57
  skinny dipping. And he's wearing what appears to
• 41:00
  be a hockey. Mask.
• 41:01
  Yeah, it's the hockey mask. It's the introduction of the
• 41:05
  hockey. Oh, that's the one, Yeah.
• 41:08
  Oh. This is an iconic moment in the
• 41:10
  Friday the 13th lore. Oh, and Jason takes it, Yeah.
• 41:14
  Oh, have you seen the movie All of this Happens?
• 41:16
  Well, I just thought he had they shopped at the same place.
• 41:19
  I I don't know. I did not like that scene I
• 41:23
  wrote down. Please kill Shelley.
• 41:24
  Yeah, he's got to go. If no, we're the only for that.
• 41:28
  It's the introduction of the hockey mask.
• 41:29
  But I wonder we've got Shelley underneath the water wearing a
• 41:33
  hockey mask. The hockey mask is not goggles,
• 41:35
  so it doesn't help regulate breathing underwater.
• 41:40
  It's in fact got a lot of holes in it.
• 41:43
  So I don't really understand why the hockey mask and the wet suit
• 41:48
  and the harpoon. It's like interesting
• 41:50
  combination. Are all together with this guy
• 41:54
  who likes pranks like none of it makes any sense except for to
• 41:58
  set up the next thing. But the hockey mask is going to
• 42:03
  you know, it's obviously going to play a large factor into the
• 42:05
  rest of the series. Another 10 movies.
• 42:07
  I'm embarrassed that I didn't put those two together.
• 42:09
  I am embarrassed for you because it's it's like the moment, well,
• 42:13
  you know, but this titular this hockey mask iconic thing is the
• 42:19
  fact that it's introduced in such a stupid manner manner with
• 42:23
  Shelly. It's both exciting because it
• 42:27
  and at the time you're not thinking this.
• 42:28
  Of course, it's only through the benefit of 40 years of this
• 42:30
  movie but or these movies that you don't know in the moment
• 42:33
  maybe that it's going to become the iconic image from this
• 42:36
  series and one of the most identifiable movie props of all
• 42:41
  time. Regardless of your liking or not
• 42:43
  of a horror movie, it is iconic. That it's introduced in such a
• 42:45
  silly, slapdash way is ridiculous.
• 42:47
  Yeah, to see the birth of it is underwhelming.
• 42:51
  Yeah, yeah. But yeah, my comment here is
• 42:54
  Shelly sucks. Why is a hockey mask?
• 42:58
  Why a spear? This guy's an idiot.
• 43:01
  Why this movie? You're right.
• 43:03
  But right after that, we get to see Jason in the hockey mask, so
• 43:09
  we assume that Shelley is dispatched.
• 43:13
  I know we don't see Shelley's death, which is disappointing
• 43:16
  because I want to see him suffer.
• 43:17
  Yeah, no, me too. Me too.
• 43:20
  But you're right that that actually makes sense that he's
• 43:23
  now killed Shelley. OK, I'm too busy holding out
• 43:27
  hope. That this isn't.
• 43:29
  That Vera will somehow have to go into the water what she does
• 43:33
  for the wallet but would have to take off her top to do.
• 43:36
  So sure, that makes sense. There's.
• 43:38
  Still, this little sliver of hope, that sliver closes very
• 43:43
  quickly. So what I hope is the best scene
• 43:47
  of the movie becomes at least the best kill.
• 43:50
  Oh yeah, this is. That you're calling it this I'm
• 43:53
  calling. It you gave me a hard time last
• 43:55
  movie. Yep, for not having one.
• 43:57
  For not having one at all. Teed up for you.
• 43:59
  What's your favorite kill? I said, well, it's all bad.
• 44:02
  Yeah. This, to me anyway, is the
• 44:04
  winner. Great, I have another one that I
• 44:07
  place a little higher. I know which one is yours.
• 44:09
  This one, this is your #2 I know that.
• 44:11
  It is #2I. Know it's the shit.
• 44:13
  I think it's really cool. Yeah, Harpoon.
• 44:15
  Right through the eye. Right through the eye, which
• 44:17
  helps on the 3D front. I can see it now.
• 44:19
  I think the makeup, I think the makeup on her face I think works
• 44:25
  fully. Absolutely.
• 44:26
  And what really sticks out to me in later watches, when having
• 44:30
  seen this now a number of times, is the casual nature that Jason
• 44:35
  approaches this whole thing. Oh, the way he walks away.
• 44:38
  Walks up quietly and methodically.
• 44:41
  Just sets up the harpoon, shoots her in the face, lowers his arm,
• 44:46
  drops it casually on the dock, turns around casually and just
• 44:50
  strolls away. It's the casual nature of these
• 44:53
  kills that I think make Jason. Lazy.
• 44:57
  Well, I think what it helps kind of create the mystique of a
• 45:02
  mindless, soulless, thoughtless killer, which is sort of the
• 45:06
  Halloween paradigm doesn't talk, there's no personality, creates
• 45:11
  a certain ambiance to me. I didn't get that I have to go
• 45:15
  the other way on that one and I was comparing it to Halloween.
• 45:18
  I'm thinking I'm not really enjoying this Jason guy as a bad
• 45:23
  guy. I'm.
• 45:24
  Going. To tell I'm going to say it now.
• 45:27
  What you're saying is casual and kind of creepy in that sense.
• 45:32
  I'm thinking it's just not a very interesting bad guy.
• 45:36
  This is the trade off. We talked about this when we
• 45:38
  were making that fork in the road.
• 45:40
  Because Freddy is all personality, right?
• 45:43
  Like that guy just got jokes. He's got quips, he's serious
• 45:46
  visual style he's got. Great parties.
• 45:49
  And a lot of opportunity for that over the course of, you
• 45:51
  know, 8 or 9 movies. This guy, another silent killer.
• 45:56
  You don't get personality, so you're going to lose a little
• 46:00
  bit of that weight along the way.
• 46:01
  I never lost it with Mr. Myers. Well, I don't know how.
• 46:06
  Cause his cause, the production value.
• 46:09
  There's something about Michael's look that is enough.
• 46:12
  I don't want him to talk. I just want him to exist.
• 46:15
  And the way it's filmed like his, his pop ends, I think are
• 46:20
  just better done like it's yeah. We're still early in this
• 46:24
  series, so my hope is, or my thinking is that while you might
• 46:27
  feel that way now, 456, you know, there might be some room
• 46:31
  to kind of develop the character a little bit more than what
• 46:33
  you're anticipating today. But I think it's too late.
• 46:38
  Yeah. I don't think you're going to be
• 46:40
  able to capture something knowing this.
• 46:42
  This is the foundation of Jason. I've seen him without his mask.
• 46:48
  I'm not impressed. He's just freaky looking guy.
• 46:51
  He's. Got a freak on it, yeah.
• 46:52
  He's lazy, he's moving slowly, too casual.
• 46:55
  Yes, he's doing killing and it's looks painful, but I'm not
• 46:59
  scared of him, if that makes sense.
• 47:02
  Where? Mike Myers.
• 47:04
  You had some fear in there. I had fear, like when he's
• 47:07
  popping up on the screen and there and he just shows up.
• 47:10
  I am scared. I'm not really scared of Jason.
• 47:15
  All right, well, we'll try and change your mind over the next
• 47:17
  10 movies. 9 movies. Yeah, but my my fear is if they
• 47:22
  do too much change, it will not be true to what they've set up.
• 47:26
  This series if anything is a good example of what Nightmare
• 47:31
  does is reinvent itself I think every movie.
• 47:33
  You mentioned that. Yeah, and that's one of the fun
• 47:35
  things about it. The stuff with Jason and Friday
• 47:38
  13th I think are more incremental.
• 47:40
  So you're seeing it already, right?
• 47:41
  One into two is kind of the same, but just slightly EA.
• 47:44
  Sports. Exactly.
• 47:45
  It's it's more aligned with that.
• 47:47
  Yeah, 3 is take the elements that worked and tweak it a
• 47:50
  little bit. Now the pregnancy thing is maybe
• 47:52
  not really tweaking it, but the 3D thing is right when 4 comes,
• 47:55
  you'll see certain elements are tweaked again, and five tweaks
• 47:59
  it again and six tweaks it again.
• 48:01
  So it's still the same foundation, like you're saying,
• 48:04
  but each movie kind of brings something new to the to the
• 48:07
  table, whether that's the group of counselors is is different
• 48:10
  and sometimes more dynamic, sometimes not.
• 48:12
  The storyline around it is better or the makeup effect is,
• 48:15
  is cooler. The special effects of the kills
• 48:17
  get a little more elaborate or whatever.
• 48:19
  So there's new elements coming into play, even if the movie
• 48:23
  fundamentally doesn't change. Yeah.
• 48:25
  OK, all right. But this kill was awesome.
• 48:28
  Yeah, the kill itself is awesome.
• 48:30
  To get back to that, the kill, the kill.
• 48:32
  The kill was good. The kill was good.
• 48:33
  That's right. And similar to the formula in
• 48:36
  the first couple of movies, we're going to get a a bunch of
• 48:39
  kills down. Yeah.
• 48:40
  Once it starts. Yeah, it starts.
• 48:42
  Yeah, You have your to the beginning, wait for a bit, get a
• 48:46
  kill and then unleash. Yeah.
• 48:48
  And our next couple of victims, I believe Andy and Debbie.
• 48:54
  Yes, that's correct. Next on the slab.
• 48:57
  Yeah, it gets drawn. Out a little bit.
• 48:59
  I like this one. I find this one to be drawn out.
• 49:02
  The right amount, like yeah, the right amount, yeah.
• 49:04
  OK. I'm going to give Jim.
• 49:05
  I like to. Pay off and I like the stuff in
• 49:07
  between so for me it does it works.
• 49:08
  OK, does doing hand stands work? For you that is a strange thing
• 49:13
  which I am sure is this guy does hand stands.
• 49:17
  Might as well get him to do hand stands, right?
• 49:19
  And during his audition or something, I can juggle and I
• 49:22
  can walk on my hands and someone goes, great, that's your
• 49:24
  character now. Can you handstand?
• 49:26
  Maybe try. I haven't.
• 49:27
  I've stood on my hands, but walking to and from, that's not
• 49:31
  a thing. That was a thing.
• 49:31
  Back then I remember people at school trying to trying to do
• 49:34
  it. I just.
• 49:35
  It's an 82 thing I guess, like an. 8080 to 85, buddy, a good
• 49:39
  five year stretch of handstanding.
• 49:42
  Nonetheless, I think we know that's not going to end well.
• 49:46
  No, I think it kind of odd that they try and play it for a
• 49:50
  horror beat. If you recall, Debbie's in the
• 49:52
  shower and he walks in and the way the camera is shot, you're
• 49:57
  seeing a shadow and the but you see his feet above the.
• 50:02
  So it's really not that scary. No, but I like that they're
• 50:05
  trying. Yeah, I like that Debbie's in
• 50:06
  the shower. Yeah, of course you do.
• 50:07
  And and this is your favorite death?
• 50:12
  Correct. Yeah, You saw that coming, Andy
• 50:14
  dying and the way in which he dies, I think is great.
• 50:16
  I think the way that it's played out is, is well done.
• 50:19
  I like to get me a beer. I don't like that.
• 50:21
  Debbie continues to say Andy, Andy.
• 50:23
  That's good. You do a good.
• 50:24
  Debbie over and over and over again.
• 50:27
  But I like that he's sort of caught in this, like, back and
• 50:29
  forth thing. I'll get you a beer, no problem.
• 50:31
  And yeah, you see Jason's silhouette and then he turns
• 50:36
  around, sees Jason get that great hero money shot, the
• 50:40
  hockey mask and the axe coming right up the middle.
• 50:44
  Right up the middle. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
• 50:46
  It's so good. Vertical.
• 50:47
  Or is that horizontal? Well, we find out later.
• 50:49
  It turns out that somehow physics didn't really work out
• 50:52
  in Andy's favor and he gets cut in half horizontally.
• 50:55
  Does that bother you? No, not enough, because I think
• 50:59
  the killer is still strong enough.
• 51:00
  It's a quick shot in the moment. It's such a quick shot.
• 51:02
  Again, you have to really pay attention to.
• 51:04
  What matter? You're a frame freezer.
• 51:06
  I do enjoy that and try and frame by frame kind of watch how
• 51:10
  the magic is done, where the edit is and so forth.
• 51:13
  How did Jason get him up there in the rafter?
• 51:16
  Is that a rafter? It could be rafter, Sure, you
• 51:19
  got to do it delicately. I mean, it's a.
• 51:21
  Bouncing act, I guess it's two pieces that makes it a little
• 51:24
  bit lighter. That's right, but it's above the
• 51:26
  hammock for those who don't know.
• 51:27
  Yes, Tracy Savage, playing Debbie comes out of the shower,
• 51:31
  decides against the beer. Good call.
• 51:34
  She's pregnant. That's right.
• 51:35
  Back then it was OK. Yeah.
• 51:36
  You wouldn't think about this. Take as much Tylenol and beer as
• 51:39
  you want and she's reading a magazine.
• 51:44
  My favorite magazine growing up, Fangoria.
• 51:46
  We talked a little bit about this before.
• 51:47
  Yes, I love Fangoria magazine. We still do.
• 51:50
  It's now only physical copies and they only do quarterly
• 51:53
  issues, but for a long time I would buy every month.
• 51:57
  I believed it. I believe it.
• 51:59
  We get a little blood ribbage. Yeah, it's a little like it's
• 52:03
  almost exactly actually it's Kevin Bacon.
• 52:06
  Yeah. If you remember, there's that
• 52:07
  same drip from a ball I remember.
• 52:09
  Gets the knife up the throat. Back when the kills were.
• 52:12
  Good. Yeah, I was going to say I
• 52:13
  disliked. I prefer the bacon kill to this
• 52:16
  one because of the blood I find when she gets stabbed in the
• 52:19
  throat. This time, it's almost
• 52:21
  bloodless. Yeah, I guess it depends if you
• 52:23
  hit. An artery?
• 52:25
  Yeah, it just looks like going through makeup, whereas the
• 52:28
  first one looked like yeah, going through a throat.
• 52:31
  Yeah, I think that Kevin Bacon 1 still holds up his number one.
• 52:34
  Yeah, it's it's it's, I want to be clear with that.
• 52:36
  Iconic. It's really good.
• 52:38
  We're in the third installment now.
• 52:39
  The kills are adding up. You can rank them all.
• 52:41
  Yeah, but she's dead, which is too bad.
• 52:45
  Yeah, it's really too bad. What isn't too bad, of course,
• 52:47
  is Shelley. Because luckily to ease my heart
• 52:51
  after death Deb's murder is we get the reveal of Shelley with
• 52:56
  his throat slit, still wearing the wet suit.
• 52:59
  So dumb. But everyone of course now,
• 53:01
  because he's cried wolf a couple of times.
• 53:03
  Oh God, I saw this one coming a mile.
• 53:05
  Oh Shelly, you couldn't possibly be, and they don't like it.
• 53:11
  So this is the moment of shining for Cheech and Dem Chong.
• 53:22
  The power goes out and so forth. O here's another sort of set
• 53:25
  piece moment for two people to die a little bit more
• 53:28
  elaborately then. Well, you got to mix it U right?
• 53:30
  Yeah, you got to mix it U we have a fuse issue.
• 53:34
  I think we had a fuse issue in the second one didn't.
• 53:36
  They there might have been a fuse issue.
• 53:37
  Yeah, there might have been. And, you know there was.
• 53:39
  Yeah, there could have been. And he's a little scaredy cat,
• 53:43
  Yes. But I mean, I don't blame him.
• 53:45
  Of course not. You know, He's high.
• 53:47
  He's a little. Paranoid.
• 53:48
  Oh yeah, for sure. And all the while she's making
• 53:50
  the popcorn and that's not a 3D effect.
• 53:52
  You see that 3D, the popcorn coming out.
• 53:55
  But yes, he's in the fuse and you just know it's not going to
• 53:57
  end well. But I don't.
• 53:58
  I find fuse box kills like we talked about in Halloween 4.
• 54:00
  Actually it's easy like and Halloween 6.
• 54:04
  I just don't buy it. You have a like a rolodex of
• 54:07
  ways to kill people. And yeah, OK, it's time for an
• 54:10
  electrocution. I'm OK with that.
• 54:12
  And of course, Jason finds his way back up to the main floor.
• 54:19
  Fem Chong has accepted Annie has died and she's a little panicked
• 54:25
  and she goes upstairs, may have seen something.
• 54:28
  We don't see if she sees anything.
• 54:30
  Yeah, we're not really sure exactly, but.
• 54:32
  It doesn't matter too much, she's dead in the 8 seconds
• 54:34
  exactly. Exactly.
• 54:35
  If she saw something, she didn't live to tell.
• 54:37
  About it, it was foreshadowed that someone's going to get it
• 54:39
  with the hot poker. The hot poker.
• 54:41
  Thank you. I wasn't sure what exactly what
• 54:43
  that was called. It is called a hot poker and she
• 54:46
  gets poked. Yeah, that was my name in high
• 54:48
  school. Yeah.
• 54:51
  Given by yourself exactly. Yeah.
• 54:54
  She has an interesting reaction. Yeah, I thought you might catch
• 54:58
  this. It it reminds me a lot of that
• 55:00
  kill with the axe in the first one in the bathroom.
• 55:03
  In the bathroom. Yeah, just the second one in
• 55:05
  the. Corner and the corner it.
• 55:07
  Just yeah, it has check mark. Yeah, here's our.
• 55:10
  Bland kill. Bland kill.
• 55:12
  No scream. There's no.
• 55:13
  Good weapon, no? Energy, just solid weaponry.
• 55:15
  Yeah, I like that for sure. Yeah.
• 55:23
  We have 25 minutes left. What is going on, Phil?
• 55:27
  I think it's a bad call. Everybody's been dispatched.
• 55:29
  So the only two that are left really are Rick, Rick and Chris.
• 55:33
  Chris, it is a bad call it. Comes back to what I said in the
• 55:36
  beginning. Pacing.
• 55:38
  Yeah, I I have my concerns. I'm already not loving the movie
• 55:44
  because the acting is so poor. Shelly is annoying me.
• 55:47
  It's too much. Veer is dead.
• 55:48
  So that's it. And died early, I mean,
• 55:51
  relatively early, yeah. Yeah, so I don't really see this
• 55:55
  movie getting any better. They do give you a little bit of
• 55:59
  hope here. I, I personally enjoy this kill.
• 56:01
  I like you know Rick and Chris are here to save the day.
• 56:04
  Except Rick almost immediately gets cornered and his head gets
• 56:09
  closed. You love that.
• 56:11
  I was really a big fan. The IPOP says IPOP, which again,
• 56:14
  if you pay close attention, you can see the string.
• 56:16
  But the 3D effect in that moment is good.
• 56:18
  I looked away. What I really like about it more
• 56:20
  than anything, though, is the the way it's shot.
• 56:22
  He's around the corner, kind of being stymied and like wrestling
• 56:27
  for his life before his eye pops and Chris is in the foreground
• 56:32
  looking. And so just that paradoxical,
• 56:35
  it's all about the angle, what terror is happening around the
• 56:38
  corner and how she's oblivious to it.
• 56:39
  I think that is always going to be effective from a horror movie
• 56:42
  perspective. And then this moment I was like,
• 56:44
  yeah, that that's the kind of kill I want.
• 56:46
  Well, if nothing else, this film was shot well.
• 56:48
  Yeah, certain parts of it anyway.
• 56:50
  And then Rick comes through the window like a human cat.
• 56:56
  Yeah, Chris is just finding a bunch of dead people.
• 56:58
  And then. Yeah.
• 56:59
  Yeah, that goes without saying. Yes, that happens every movie.
• 57:02
  Yeah, but that's the thing, right?
• 57:03
  So this is the moment where she kind of gets to reveal that
• 57:05
  everybody is dead. She sees the tub and so forth.
• 57:09
  Let's talk just before we get too deep into Chris.
• 57:12
  Now those those as the Sole Survivor here.
• 57:14
  She's the chosen. One let's go comparisons, short
• 57:18
  conversation, but in terms of Alice and Ginny and now Chris,
• 57:23
  like for me, speaking for myself anyway, Ginny is my gal,
• 57:26
  particularly as a last, you know, a last person.
• 57:28
  I think she's fairly strong. She's got she manipulates pretty
• 57:32
  well with the trickery with the sweater, so on.
• 57:35
  Alice obviously pretty aggressive.
• 57:37
  Chris is my third, like at bottom for me.
• 57:39
  Where? Where do you think she is on
• 57:41
  your school? She is a bronze.
• 57:43
  I might have gold and silver reversed.
• 57:45
  OK. I think Alice is the gal.
• 57:47
  She she did behead somebody. Yeah, and she just did more I
• 57:50
  think there's. More fight to.
• 57:52
  Her Yeah, I didn't mind Ginny, but I know it's because you have
• 57:55
  a soft spot for Amy Steele and that's the fogging your decision
• 57:58
  here it. Could be it, could be.
• 58:00
  I'll admit it. But we can both agree for sure
• 58:02
  this is a for now bronze and could be could be pushed to 4th.
• 58:06
  Oh, as we go for a movie? Absolutely.
• 58:08
  We'll do, you know, a final tally of the school survivors,
• 58:11
  of course. I can see that in our in our
• 58:13
  grim future. But I find her to be bad.
• 58:18
  And I think part of the issues you're having with the movie are
• 58:20
  the same of the issues that I have, which is, as a final girl,
• 58:24
  recognizing the tone and the style of these types of movies.
• 58:27
  I don't really like her. Yeah.
• 58:28
  I haven't been given anything to connect with from a character
• 58:32
  perspective, from a performance perspective, from anything.
• 58:35
  So the fact that she's who we have left and she feels
• 58:39
  helpless. Jenny and Alice both felt
• 58:42
  capable. She doesn't feel capable.
• 58:45
  She runs. She's a good runner.
• 58:46
  And she's begging for Rick to help her and save.
• 58:48
  Her good beggar. I don't.
• 58:50
  There's very little action that I feel she's taking until
• 58:54
  obviously it counts, but I don't get the battle.
• 58:57
  I just didn't feel like she was strong.
• 58:58
  I don't think it's all her fault.
• 59:00
  Fair. Now that Rick is dispatched, we
• 59:03
  still have 23 minutes that she needs to carry this film.
• 59:09
  I don't think that's fair. Yeah, the movie doesn't do her
• 59:11
  in a favor. No.
• 59:13
  Right. It's back to the barn, it's back
• 59:15
  to the van. It's back to the cabin, It's
• 59:17
  back to the van. It's so yeah, there's a lot of
• 59:21
  shoe leather and dead weight where it should be.
• 59:24
  Amping doesn't ramp, it doesn't get exciting.
• 59:26
  It just. It gets windy.
• 59:28
  It gets. Very windy, very windy.
• 59:30
  That's something that's not so that's short, but things like
• 59:33
  upstairs where she's fake locking the door like that is
• 59:37
  meaningless. He's going to check every door.
• 59:39
  He doesn't know which door it is totally.
• 59:42
  And she puts herself in a in a room that has no real exit, but
• 59:48
  luckily, at least in the room, there's a body there.
• 59:51
  So she has a knife. That's right.
• 59:53
  And she doesn't really want to take it out of the body.
• 59:55
  And I get it. Yeah, it's probably not easy
• 59:57
  dead. Friend.
• 59:58
  Yeah, but it gives her the opportunity.
• 1:00:00
  With Shelly you want to do a stab a couple more times.
• 1:00:03
  To make sure since I have the chance.
• 1:00:05
  Meanwhile, while I'm waiting to die, I might as well give Shelly
• 1:00:08
  a couple more shots. And now that you've mentioned
• 1:00:11
  this whole 3D thing, yeah, I'll let it slide that when she gets
• 1:00:14
  out of the room, she's hit him once.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She just tries to.
• 1:00:18
  Swiping at the screen. Swiping at air, Yeah, I'm like,
• 1:00:21
  come on. It just doesn't look good from a
• 1:00:23
  2D perspective. Sure does get him finally in the
• 1:00:26
  leg. Yes.
• 1:00:27
  So he is in terms of the Tea Party, walking wounded.
• 1:00:33
  That just came to me. Yeah.
• 1:00:35
  Genius. That might be Canadian Tea
• 1:00:37
  Party. Yeah, Kevin coming down.
• 1:00:40
  She does end up in another room. Luckily.
• 1:00:43
  There's a chair and a window. Thank goodness, thank goodness.
• 1:00:47
  It's very important to have a chair wherever you go in case
• 1:00:50
  you want to sit. Or you need to escape.
• 1:00:52
  Or you need to escape because there's almost like there's no
• 1:00:54
  way out. And Jason gets a little bit of
• 1:00:56
  the fabric, you know, when she's trying to get out of the window.
• 1:00:59
  So you think you know they're. Going to get some boobs.
• 1:01:03
  Yeah, I'm not in the mood now. Yeah, not in the mood.
• 1:01:07
  The mood is over. Mood is gone.
• 1:01:10
  Yeah, this chase sequence again just drags on for too long.
• 1:01:12
  Again, back on the bridge, What I do like, and I mentioned the
• 1:01:15
  beginning where the scene where his arms are rolled up into the
• 1:01:18
  window. Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  Of the van. Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  And then he breaks the van with his with his head brand new
• 1:01:23
  hockey mask. Well, you know, we got.
• 1:01:25
  To so I like that. Get your money's worth.
• 1:01:27
  But yeah, it just it goes on for too long.
• 1:01:29
  They finally end up at the barn. The biggest set piece thing.
• 1:01:32
  I think it's cool that it's there because there's lots of
• 1:01:34
  opportunities and if you remember Halloween 5, there's a
• 1:01:38
  kill at the in the barn as well. Yeah, of course.
• 1:01:42
  You know, Halloween 5I was glued to the screen, buddy.
• 1:01:46
  She does a couple of things to win this battle.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah, she tries to. Fall on them?
• 1:01:51
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:01:52
  Didn't take, didn't take, didn't take.
• 1:01:54
  She's not. She doesn't have the.
• 1:01:55
  She's not the. Great, Jason's a six.
• 1:01:58
  What? 6/4 at.
• 1:01:59
  Least. Yeah.
• 1:02:00
  Yeah, and a monster. He's the man of the land.
• 1:02:02
  That's right, we have really my one of my favorite moments in
• 1:02:06
  the whole movie. She fights back as best she can,
• 1:02:09
  but she gets him in a noose. Yeah, thanks to the shovel.
• 1:02:12
  Yeah, takes care of business that way.
• 1:02:14
  Boom. And basically hangs him.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah. And I love, I think, the hanging
• 1:02:19
  you love. A good hanging.
• 1:02:20
  I do love a good hanging. What I think is the hanging
• 1:02:22
  though, it looks real like it. Like obviously it's not, but
• 1:02:25
  like in terms of the effect. Never really thought of it, just
• 1:02:28
  looked good but yeah. Furthermore, this is the only
• 1:02:30
  part of Chris's behavior or or performance in the movie I like,
• 1:02:34
  which is this last five to seven minutes.
• 1:02:36
  So from the reveal that he's alive after the noose and the
• 1:02:39
  way that she shakes her head, I feel like there's genuine fear,
• 1:02:43
  terror there. Gotcha.
• 1:02:44
  And then the reveal and she's like, it's you.
• 1:02:47
  Oh. He flips up the mask.
• 1:02:48
  Up the mask to get the noose off.
• 1:02:51
  That's the big reveal, buddy. I know, but he's doing like,
• 1:02:53
  it's me. I'm like dude.
• 1:02:57
  Cheesy. Yeah, that's fair.
• 1:02:58
  I you know, he has to take him out in the noose.
• 1:03:00
  You got to do. I know, but just his look at his
• 1:03:03
  look on. His face, that's fair.
• 1:03:06
  But yeah, so that and like her terror to that point.
• 1:03:08
  And then he starts approaching her again before, of course, the
• 1:03:12
  hero comes. Finally, our final guy, the big
• 1:03:15
  hero of the of the day. Yeah, he comes back to.
• 1:03:18
  Die again? Yeah, he gets to die twice.
• 1:03:20
  Not everybody gets to die twice in a Jason movie, Muffin.
• 1:03:23
  It's true. Muffin came back the day, I
• 1:03:27
  guess he didn't club him enough. One more clubbing is what was
• 1:03:30
  needed. I guess his arm like got
• 1:03:32
  Skywalker. I don't know if Jason's his dad,
• 1:03:35
  but that sucks. Like you again.
• 1:03:40
  You survive, you come back to play the hero and you just die.
• 1:03:45
  Totally. Come on, Allie.
• 1:03:47
  Yeah, it's a bit of a misdirection.
• 1:03:49
  The hero's coming to save the day and then he dies.
• 1:03:51
  There's some drama in that. I don't think this movie does
• 1:03:53
  that well enough, but conceptually I like that idea.
• 1:03:57
  The idea is fantastic, the execution is.
• 1:03:59
  There are other movies that will come off the shelf that that do
• 1:04:01
  that kind of implement that much better.
• 1:04:03
  I hope so. But I do enjoy the fact that at
• 1:04:06
  least in this moment, there's like a bit of hope and then like
• 1:04:08
  no hope at all. Like a New Hope.
• 1:04:13
  That's right. And you'll find this comes into
• 1:04:15
  play further down the franchise. But the axe of the head and the
• 1:04:21
  way, once again, Chris just plays this perfectly.
• 1:04:24
  Like when? She's amazing in this she.
• 1:04:26
  Just in this these last like 3 minutes, I think she's
• 1:04:28
  absolutely terrible throughout the rest of the movie.
• 1:04:30
  But the way that she plays scared everything else she plays
• 1:04:33
  I think is bad. But what's the the fear that she
• 1:04:35
  plays when she hits him with the axe and the arms come up and
• 1:04:39
  she's shocked like she's like I? What else?
• 1:04:42
  Could I do? What do you want from?
• 1:04:45
  Yeah, what else could I do? And then his hands again in the
• 1:04:48
  3D effect, kind of reaching for the audience before finally
• 1:04:51
  collapsing. That to me, I maybe is where, if
• 1:04:55
  I can think back to what I loved about the movie when I was
• 1:04:57
  younger, it's likely those moments more so than anything at
• 1:05:01
  the beginning, the last three minutes, the last like 5 or 7
• 1:05:03
  minutes of bloodied and beaten and bruised and hung and axe to
• 1:05:08
  the head like that stuff. And her fear, I think, is
• 1:05:12
  probably something not the first with me not.
• 1:05:13
  The first hour 20. No, of course not.
• 1:05:16
  Unfortunately, it comes at the tail end of a.
• 1:05:18
  Little too late. Yeah.
• 1:05:19
  Of a bad movie, Yeah. And it's about to get worse.
• 1:05:22
  Talk to me. Oh, just the last everything
• 1:05:26
  after this. Yeah, talk to me.
• 1:05:27
  That's introducing. Yeah, you wanna know?
• 1:05:30
  You wanna know She heads to No Name Lake.
• 1:05:36
  Yeah, we don't know. Which isn't much of A lake.
• 1:05:39
  No, looks like a swamp. This swamp looks very small and.
• 1:05:42
  Yeah, like Lake Placid Swampy might be an alligator in there.
• 1:05:48
  Yeah, maybe worst canoe driving I've ever seen.
• 1:05:51
  Yeah, it's bad, but it's also not enough room to really do
• 1:05:54
  anything. Yeah, it's all weird Now.
• 1:05:56
  Here we have a repeat of the original.
• 1:05:59
  We have someone in canoe who has fallen asleep.
• 1:06:03
  He's in the top floor again. We see his face and I think.
• 1:06:08
  Bloodied up too. Yeah, but again, there's no he
• 1:06:10
  just looks weird. He's a weird guy.
• 1:06:13
  He's not a scary guy. He's just weird looking.
• 1:06:15
  I think it's too much of the Goonies because of Lost, so I
• 1:06:19
  had that image of him. That's why I don't find him
• 1:06:22
  scary. Where Myers?
• 1:06:24
  Because you never see the face and the mechanic jumpsuit is
• 1:06:29
  just an amazing look. And that's that's not my fault.
• 1:06:34
  Yeah, no, OK, that I don't think he's scary.
• 1:06:37
  No, that's totally fair. And the Goonies comparison is
• 1:06:39
  interesting because that came out a year after this.
• 1:06:42
  But the the makeup jobs I can see.
• 1:06:44
  Yeah, sloth elements. There for sure yours weird
• 1:06:47
  looking sure anyways. And then he disappears.
• 1:06:51
  That was a dream. I guess because missus voorhies
• 1:06:55
  comes out of the water. Yeah.
• 1:06:56
  What are your thoughts on this? I got, I'm really, I wrote down
• 1:06:59
  here like ask Dave, let Dave riff.
• 1:07:02
  I just wrote down. So dumb.
• 1:07:06
  I did not like it. Explain why it's dumb.
• 1:07:09
  It's incredibly stupid if it's not a dream.
• 1:07:12
  Yeah, sure. If it is a dream sequence, why
• 1:07:16
  would you be dreaming about someone that you've never met?
• 1:07:18
  Correct. There's one more element too
• 1:07:21
  that's that is even more stupid than all of that.
• 1:07:24
  It's just like he was in the water in the first one, now it's
• 1:07:27
  bomb in the water in the third one.
• 1:07:28
  Like it's mom's head cut off. That too.
• 1:07:33
  That's what's so dumb about it to me.
• 1:07:34
  I'm just like it doesn't. Make any sense?
• 1:07:36
  I was going to give it some leniency because, oh, it's just
• 1:07:38
  a dream, fine, but again, she wouldn't be dreaming of Missus
• 1:07:42
  Voori's She. Wouldn't have any idea who that
• 1:07:43
  person is. Yeah, ridiculous.
• 1:07:45
  Totally ridiculous. I agree and the effect looks
• 1:07:47
  stupid. Oh, I like it.
• 1:07:49
  Looks fact. Oh, that was great.
• 1:07:50
  I thought it looked bad. Oh man, the worms coming out of
• 1:07:53
  the face, like I just, I didn't like anything.
• 1:07:55
  I'd be shaking my. She was wearing the sweater
• 1:07:56
  though. Oh nice, I love that sweater if
• 1:07:58
  you recall. So I like that the sweater at
• 1:08:00
  least is continuity wise, but like the rest of it, doesn't
• 1:08:03
  make any sense at all. So the least you could do is get
• 1:08:04
  the sweater right? Yeah.
• 1:08:07
  And then obviously, like every other movie, she's just
• 1:08:09
  hysterical. Yeah, this is a little different
• 1:08:12
  too, because Alice wasn't hysterical and neither was
• 1:08:15
  Ginny. Oh, never mind, take it back.
• 1:08:17
  When they left, oh, they were fine.
• 1:08:19
  Ginny was looking for Paul, but she wasn't like screaming or
• 1:08:21
  shrieking or anything. And Alice wasn't where she.
• 1:08:24
  It cuts from the, oh, hospital. Yeah, to the hospital.
• 1:08:26
  So again, there's none. Of that one would only assume.
• 1:08:29
  But in this instance, she's shrieking and scared and yelling
• 1:08:33
  or whatever, and then it kind of starts to get, I don't know if
• 1:08:36
  you caught, but like a hint of laughter.
• 1:08:38
  Little bit yeah, as they're. Kind of pulling out and she's
• 1:08:41
  looking out kind of crazy eyed. So it's an interesting way to
• 1:08:45
  end the movie is if like, she's completely broken, basically.
• 1:08:48
  I will give her good performance for last minute.
• 1:08:51
  You can give it from before in the barn.
• 1:08:53
  You go ahead, you can have that, it's all yours.
• 1:08:55
  But I'm taking this please. I think it's a strong
• 1:08:58
  performance in this last minute. I think so.
• 1:09:00
  That's we have 100 and 34 minutes of terrible acting by
• 1:09:04
  everybody, but we have one minute here.
• 1:09:06
  Yeah. And really reels me back in.
• 1:09:09
  I like that your math thinks that this movie is 2 hours and
• 1:09:11
  15 minutes. An hour 30.
• 1:09:14
  It's an hour 34. Yeah, you.
• 1:09:15
  Said 134 minutes though. Well, you know what I did?
• 1:09:17
  You know what I did? I made a mistake.
• 1:09:20
  Much like this film did. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:09:23
  I guess what I'll ask is, given that we'll have a little bit of
• 1:09:26
  time between between now and then when the next one happens,
• 1:09:28
  kind. Of want to watch it?
• 1:09:30
  Yeah, well, we'll get to it and we can make it.
• 1:09:32
  You know, we can move it up in this in the timeline.
• 1:09:33
  But just in terms of interest, because this one sort of didn't
• 1:09:38
  hit very well. What are your final thoughts on
• 1:09:41
  the movie? And then let me know if you're
• 1:09:44
  interested or excited or what are your thoughts on moving
• 1:09:46
  forward. You ready for this?
• 1:09:48
  Yes, hated it. Bad movie.
• 1:09:53
  Let's watch the next one, OK? So there's enough in there
• 1:09:56
  that's like. EA Sports.
• 1:09:58
  It's in the game man. Like I literally grabbed 4 and
• 1:10:01
  had it teed up ready to play. OK.
• 1:10:04
  Within 10 minutes of watching this one.
• 1:10:06
  Wow. And I did not like this movie.
• 1:10:08
  Yeah, no, I got that. Like I was and I was pretty
• 1:10:10
  nice. You'll have to admit that I kind
• 1:10:12
  of toned it down. I.
• 1:10:13
  Want you to be honest. I don't care if you're nice or
• 1:10:15
  not. Yeah, but again, I did like
• 1:10:18
  Virus Kill. Sure, that was tops.
• 1:10:20
  And I liked her generally. Yes, you did.
• 1:10:23
  But I don't like the villain. The acting was very poor.
• 1:10:26
  Shelly was actually just really hard to watch and the writing.
• 1:10:32
  But tell me now that we've watched 3, so they're all, you
• 1:10:36
  know, relatively fresh in your mind and you've watched them
• 1:10:40
  several times. Just going to give me an idea
• 1:10:42
  where you at this one compared to the the 1st 2:00.
• 1:10:45
  Yeah. I think what's funny is that I
• 1:10:46
  had said it was my favorite for a little while, and it's
• 1:10:50
  probably my least favorite of the three that we've watched.
• 1:10:52
  Yeah. It is, I mean.
• 1:10:53
  Like, it just doesn't deliver on the things that I would want it
• 1:10:56
  to it. I think it's more credit in the
• 1:10:58
  in hindsight because of the introduction of the hockey mask
• 1:11:02
  and the iconic kind of figure of Jason as Jason, as we know.
• 1:11:06
  Yeah. But nothing else that's like
• 1:11:08
  you're saying is brought to the table in this one really
• 1:11:11
  furthers the story, which, again, doesn't really matter.
• 1:11:13
  But but this cast don't need that is less interesting.
• 1:11:17
  The music wasn't no, it was a little different.
• 1:11:20
  Theme is actually probably the one take away that has lasted or
• 1:11:23
  like that that I like throughout.
• 1:11:26
  That was misleading totally, because I was really like.
• 1:11:29
  And there's a little funk to it, yeah.
• 1:11:30
  Like, I'm going to like this movie.
• 1:11:31
  And then once I, I got to know the people like, OK.
• 1:11:35
  Yeah, aside from it's too bad. There's always going to be
• 1:11:37
  pretty girls, always going to be pretty guys.
• 1:11:39
  Like it's just sort of the nature of the types of movies.
• 1:11:40
  But but there's nothing new to the table the 1st. 2 It went a
• 1:11:44
  little bit deeper with a few. Characters.
• 1:11:46
  I think so, yeah. Not a lot, but a little.
• 1:11:50
  Yep, especially the last one felt.
• 1:11:52
  Like humans. Yeah.
• 1:11:53
  This one doesn't really feel like too many humans even to say
• 1:11:55
  I'm pregnant. It doesn't add any weight to it.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, it's bad acting.
• 1:12:01
  Yeah. So that's it.
• 1:12:02
  I just. It wasn't.
• 1:12:03
  It's not a favorite. It's it dropped pretty
• 1:12:05
  considerably even throughout the years, but certainly even on
• 1:12:07
  these watches, I'm just like, yeah, just.
• 1:12:09
  I can't really sell it. Now the good news is that.
• 1:12:13
  This is the worst one. No, I wouldn't say that.
• 1:12:15
  But it just, it starts to find its footing, right?
• 1:12:18
  We're now 3IN. So as things start to develop,
• 1:12:20
  the formula strengthens in some ways.
• 1:12:23
  And like I said, there's slight deviations and there's things to
• 1:12:25
  look forward to for better, for worse.
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  Again, there's some good and some bad, but it's this one is
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  an outlier in the the style of it and the 3D of it through.
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  OK, well, obviously I'm ready to still give it a it's chance.
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  Of course, as a as a whole franchise, I'm nothing if not.
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  Reasonable Philip. That's right.
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  You've proven it over the over all these five years clearly.
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  Every convenience store clerk. That's your region.
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  Yeah, if you find someone with a Velcro wallet, you let them know
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  welcome. Wholeheartedly.
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  Absolutely.