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Clashes swords with Dave Rennie over his choice of The Rebel Flesh (1/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to. I'm so if upon penknife the
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  Doctor Who commentary podcast, I'm Dave, am I looking like a
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  well, an eyeball really? And I'm a guy on my real self is
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  in the other room on a crane thing and I'm of the wonderful
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  tool for tell you doing Joe, hello.
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  I am a Sinister gang of version of Joe Ford.
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  Who now no longer enjoys Doctor Who asshole?
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  It'll change your mind after watching this episode.
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  So make sure I, well sighs, this is our watch this at 4 a.m. this
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  morning. Alright, this story and I went
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  to work in a very bad mood, I guess that's dedication.
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  Watching Doctor Who at 40m film? Wow, what's up?
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  You know, I've already had a pretty painful situation.
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  I thought I'll put on the rebel flesh and all those people that
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  thinks the mood I'm in there. Okay.
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  Now I think people might already know Via Converse on Twitter
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  that you're not averse to this story.
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  No, I know a lot people here, but hello.
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  I think it's all right. I don't think it's absolutely
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  wonderful. Barclay awake.
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  It's only the first episode especially I just thought
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  because the last couple that we've done, we've both be on the
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  same wavelength. We both sort of be president and
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  I thought just to really be nasty.
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  I thought I'd When I knew that you hate, it's your therapist
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  and I are quite late. I will.
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  I went back into this, you know, I went in with no expectations I
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  thought, you know what? I've only I'm dived into the
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  mafia era for a while. Maybe I'll dive into the Matt
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  Smith's time and this will be the best thing I've ever seen.
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  You know, with new eyes. I last that was not the case.
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  No, I'll put my cards on the table.
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  This is one of my least favorite new series epic a couple of
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  episodes. In my least favorite new series
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  season with my least favorite new series dogs are, and my
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  least favorite new series companion.
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  Honestly, you would prefer main table stood to the story.
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  Oh yeah. No.
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  Terrorist has got some worse at other night.
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  Terrors, it's got some interesting Direction.
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  I think, I like I think the dollies are the dollies are
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  genuinely scary. I like it very comical CGI.
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  You're going to see in this. Yeah, I agree with that but I
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  think it's smart guy is smart because it's functional but not
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  enough of me and I know you're not finding much math.
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  No. That's and to be fair.
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  That's where I'm because I think you liking this That puts you on
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  the periphery, may not like it. Matt Smith puts me on the
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  periphery because a lot of people.
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  Yeah. Oh, people must have.
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  So we adopted for me, I mean, it does.
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  Most of the time, what seems to happen is obviously, when I need
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  doctor, comes along, and set the first season that, you know, and
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  the role, they're trying things, I second season, they've sort of
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  the, and the production team, right?
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  We know. No, where were we?
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  No, where were going, let's grab them, bigger, and better things
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  to do. And in the first season.
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  Neon that they've absolutely like they're just at the top in
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  my tenant, for example, or climb, wasn't it?
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  Yeah, yeah, but you can see, he's well-seasoned 40s, more
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  experimental season six, he's on his game.
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  Apparently the same Caputo Capaldi Israel.
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  Yeah, but with Matt Smith, he seems to be the only one where
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  That doesn't happen. I think he absolutely Neil's it
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  as soon as he be as soon as he starts as a doctor, he's got it.
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  But what happens is he progressively gets washed, in my
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  opinion, as he goes on because it's almost like the Horman on
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  the wrong friends. I believe that the act of
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  production or both but that's fine.
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  We even arms and my own eyes, the right?
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  And I think, I think they were like, okay, there's this quote,
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  there's a quirk. Let's enjoy these things because
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  this is clearly his character when actually given Series 5.
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  I think it's The sort of old man in a young man's body that he
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  nailed and the sort of dish reveled trampy look, he nailed
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  like trout and come series. Seventies tailored.
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  He's wearing like a story. I've already don't fit even
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  things like that. As you see so fat, he's text.
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  He's got a boarding companion. My from, it's just it just, I
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  don't like season 7 be as you as, you know, probably the worst
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  of all the listeners or well, no, I just don't like her.
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  Season. That was the one time where I've
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  never abandon Doctor Who I know. A lot of people have been
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  morning about Jordi zero. But that was this, the year for
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  me? Where if there was a point where
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  I thought, oh my God, I don't know if I can continue this.
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  It was the middle of 7B and I think it was done.
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  It is centered at all. This, that we talked before
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  being started. Didn't you just said something
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  there that actually could probably describe why?
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  I just like this so much, you mentioned, Chris correra and
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  even the Weakest, Jodie, Whittaker episode.
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  Yeah, is full of Hope and light, likable, characters and fun.
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  Mom, this is this is dreary stuff and it's kinda not my
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  biggest issue with 7B of the story mode you this story.
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  Oh no, no, no ugly. This is ugly to look at.
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  I think morally, it's very ugly. I think the characterization is
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  really ugly in. I just think it's really
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  unpleasant experience. Well, I said 7B was an
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  impressive experience. This is about what halfway
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  through Smith's run. mmm, I thought when I watched it back,
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  you you're going to probably Taunted us tonight, but actually
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  thought it was pretty good. And that's what should we go in?
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  Let's go in, and let's, let's start picking this thing apart
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  and see her because you never know, your argument would be so
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  compelling that. I'll come out with a renewed
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  appreciation of the thing. Okay, let's go for it.
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  You called me an unfair Advantage.
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  There's something very rare for me on hand.
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  Starts to be watching something. I don't like you sharpen.
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  Find I can find love in anything.
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  Well, I'm open to do laser dragon and Vicki, see things
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  that maybe didn't see or something.
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  The magic is done with the dominators for me.
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  I just love it. Have you, have you seen that
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  fellow in The Dominoes fall? Right in episode 1?
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  I think his name is bail on Babylon. 5, yeah, socks goes,
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  you know, we're from another planet.
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  You know? And belong goes.
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  Oh, really? How interesting I'll write that
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  down in my notebook, but that's all Oh God, I think is the
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  comedy classic now. The Dominic is yeah, I watched
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  it last year and it's, yeah, it's always got something and
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  apart from the quarks and just part of me thinks that the the
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  Dolphins, but just so boring that they should have bit sorry,
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  friends about this. Should have been bombed by Tom,
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  any as well that fellow you don't know the, Dawson's the
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  Dominator walks in. He's like, we're here to invade.
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  You guys really have you got an appointment?
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  Let's talk about the dominators and say it.
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  No. Because I think this is about
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  restoring so we'll just crazy. But okay.
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  Okay, and five, four, three, two, one.
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  Let's go. Also quite a nice CGI.
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  See, I'll give you that as we approach the castle.
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  Yeah, it's see. That's it.
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  I'm glad we're watching this in November, because this, it's
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  should have been on at Halloween time.
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  That's this is a spooky Dr. Who that's.
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  That's, and that's part of the castle weather, is it.
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  Yeah, I will. I've been one of the D key finds
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  that went cup of coffee. Someone went to soil every
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  single bet that and went oh that's the venerable Flick.
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  I'll tell you what. Dave is a bloody dreary location
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  for a doctor who Story? I mean there's so much a visual
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  interest though, is that? It's a lot of dark corridors.
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  Yeah, there's no men in bright colored ones, they'll give you
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  that. And so the stories written by
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  Matthew Graham. Yes, I'll see her Fame.
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  I'll feed her famous. We were all the same when we
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  found out. He was coming back and they do a
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  two-parter. I think we were all shocked.
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  What's that was not me. I rather like that.
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  Have thank you very much. I love her gaps.
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  Going through the door and I love the council man.
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  It's got it, it's not as bad as people make out, but I don't
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  think it was anything special, but him.
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  So we've got these are what we found out to be called, going on
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  us. Hmm.
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  Wets because their mailing us, I said, yeah.
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  Wait wait, wait, they're morning acid, why the mining asked is
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  well this was one of the things that I found out because
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  apparently there was a quite a bit kind of Firsts that.
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  I mean in general, by the way what about Smurfs sake us would
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  suffer because the cops so much for oh I mean I was watching
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  God. What one was a body?
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  And the poetry and the jocks huge trunk.
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  So that well, that's from Steven berkoff weren't playing ball.
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  Was he at the end? Yeah, there is well, yeah, that
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  was a solid piece of that but in, but yeah, and I've cut bit
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  of seen, if we think that there are maintaining it for the Army.
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  Yep. And I'll know.
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  I've now I kind of figured that but they were doing it for the
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  military. Yeah, why?
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  I don't find out that. Okay.
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  Okay, okay well let's go with it.
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  They're mining acid for the military I'm assuming for
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  weapons. Maybe it's let's go with
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  chemical weapons or something or be something like Caillou's the
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  same as the code AS exhibit a for how terrible the direction.
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  Isn't this story because the fella he fell into the acid,
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  right? Yeah.
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  And she pushed him in, I don't care what they say.
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  She gives him a little shove. Well, and then so the twist is
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  supposed to be our and then he walks through the door and it's
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  the same guy. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Don't have a good.
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  Look at the guy's face that goes in the acid properly.
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  So you can't actually tell he's the it again.
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  I think I sign off his face to know it was him.
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  I was sort of squint and go. Whoa, who's this?
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  Then I think there is definitely some leeway.
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  If the Gap, the ganger premise and the doppelganger /.
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  Yes. I do know what they do with it,
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  but I think it is a good premise.
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  Yeah. They that the doppelganger
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  stories are always, always screwed.
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  I mean the one thing I find out which was quite in fact probably
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  better to talk about that in the second episode in a bit.
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  Yeah as I say there's quite a lot, shocked out of us like the
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  character motivations were some of the gang on to changes in the
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  start of the second episode. World and it's because the cock
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  back but so but I'll talk about him but I got but that's, I
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  really fly. Does it because what all we can
• 12:19
  gauge this on is what rather than what was taken out in it?
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  Yeah, but I think it would have made it more.
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  Maybe they made it make more sense.
• 12:29
  I've heard people make the argument that, you know, that
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  that scene, that was recorded after Amy and Rory left all
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  about their life afterwards. I think of that saying all that,
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  tied it all up, brilliantly. Look I don't care, it, won in
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  the episode count on, you know, it wasn't part of the team.
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  I do think that with the new series it's different from the
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  old days. It seems that the cock stuff
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  out, that doesn't really add anything, but most cases when
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  the new series lead that they do Co, but swear, like, Couldn't
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  shift kit line. Can I, can I bring in exhibit B?
• 13:04
  Now as to why I don't like this story, is this the sort of storm
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  CGI, you're going to comment on you now that all actually, I
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  think that's Robin. I'm not ever gonna have a go
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  about what I'm gonna do about the effects, just because of
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  those Dreadful CGI ganger effects in episode 2.
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  But they generally speaking doctor who looks better than
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  he's ever looked before. And I'm not going to criticize
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  it for the CGI know. It's the dr.
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  Amy and Rory, right? That's how you what they might.
• 13:31
  We play in a bit, a Dusty Springfield, or whatever it is
• 13:34
  in this hole is here, but they ain't having any fun anymore in
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  series 5. I felt as if they're having a
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  bit of fun together in the Tardis, they're so serious in
• 13:44
  this all the target, there's not an adjustment.
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  Yeah, but they're just be on a pirate ship.
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  They've just been oil. It just seen the Tardis as a
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  woman. You know personified it may be
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  through a logical come on. What can I use that as Exhibit C
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  as to what Or scenes because we've just had the curse of the
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  black spot, right? Yeah.
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  And we've had, don't why wife? And now we've got this to par.
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  Yeah. Well, they're all bloody dark
• 14:18
  and they Yes, pretty and nice to look at anymore.
• 14:22
  They're all a bit dark and shadowy and gloomy, and
• 14:25
  depressing, but don't who's, all right.
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  You can't have it all the time where you get, I mean if it kept
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  up like that, then I totally agree.
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  You would be good, maybe a couple episodes, some I can
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  forgive that. So such this Renfield.
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  Yeah. Oh yeah.
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  I love it. It's the first ever and
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  synthesis Wingfield ultraportable.
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  Every take my favorite song. Do one thing to say to you is
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  you don't have to say, you love me.
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  Just like your favorite Dusty Springfield song in fabulous.
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  Does she do? And there is Always Something
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  There to Remind me that she did not one.
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  I think she does. Yes, it was born to love you.
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  I'm just being positive now just for a second.
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  I mean the other thing about the gangers yeah, go on damn.
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  Sure. Thank you.
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  More positive, the rest of the story.
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  It's a that and the Gang of make sense.
• 15:22
  In terms of, he said that they're losing were losing our
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  work out every week rights for the couldn't get yourself humans
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  in there, so they have to have some Phantom Manor.
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  And again, So what would be clumsy or you know?
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  To do it, but here we are. So I'm going to join the video
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  here, they are coming into the mix in a beautifully.
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  Tailored jacket there, I believe object like that, in my
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  cupboard, alongside my Doctor Who DVDs, other Theory, season 5
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  jacket. They changed it to this more.
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  I think it was less heavy material but a perfectly
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  seasoned firewood. I prefer a season five
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  characterization of y'all. But yeah, so they are smart
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  boner. I've got a clean.
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  A female Mite born actually. I was it Bonner, you know, our
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  for a was, don't ya know, I've never met on but a the drama
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  group on my field in Edinburgh. He got a couple of ways we done
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  before he became famous. So I know a couple people that
• 16:21
  know and they said oh, but I'll get it.
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  He was a member of this and I'd and of course, my first
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  reaction, when I found the site was all he was a doctor who is
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  in the record and what other Doctor Who's was he in?
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  He's been the 11 of course he can.
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  Countless big finish's now. I know you don't like it and you
• 16:42
  know what, it's not his performance.
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  I just don't know the way they write him.
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  All those scenes of all those different voices talking in his
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  head. But you know, cuz I okay I'm
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  gonna say something positive, I think I think Mark Donna, is
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  that right? I sent it to me.
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  Want to say boner. Do you know Mark Bonner?
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  He gives us a perfectly. Nice understated performance in
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  this. Yeah, yeah I think he is the
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  best compact size. Oh boy.
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  This is a story about identity. Yes, cuz I'm Raquel Cassidy got
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  the job. Very last minute.
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  The actress that was supposed to play are pulled out currently
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  on. So she was literally shove done
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  with the makeup. Fine, I believe in giving the
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  script. Well, I need to talk about her
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  as well because I got a few things.
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  So but this is a story about identity.
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  Yeah. Rebel flare shoulders.
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  Yeah, it's about. Who's who?
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  And I'm going to see it for you, dude.
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  You're sorry to interrupt that's just a big giant kumbhaka.
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  I don't know, there's so much coming, this story I call you.
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  Oh yeah, I've come for Life. I'll tell you what watching this
• 17:46
  nice those horrible company faces all over the An episode 2.
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  I was like, oh my God, reminds me of an old G.
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  I went to ones honestly. Oh God.
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  Yeah. What's up with that?
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  After that, I shut your eyes. I'm determined to make this
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  point. This story is about identity.
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  Yeah. Yes.
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  And who's who, that's why, then if you can answer this question
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  for me, why are these characters so ill-defined?
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  Why is there nothing to hang on these characters?
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  Russell Rec Hall, Cassidy's character, is the one in charge,
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  and she's got a blood clot. That's basically what you learn
• 18:24
  about her. Mark Banas character is Is that
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  he is the is he Scottish. I mean, he's got it, he's the
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  scotch one and he's got a son and that's basically what you
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  learn about him and Jen's character is that she Once Upon
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  a Time War well he's and for now some reason she's a psychotic
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  that was to take over the world and that's all we learn about
• 18:45
  this. And so in a story which is about
• 18:48
  sort of who is who yeah, touch it will Define characters but
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  that don't make any sense to me at all.
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  This should be like a It was a Mars you know where every
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  character is so well Define, it should be our silence in the
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  library where every character so one slide.
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  So you can play about with that, but there's nothing to eat.
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  I'm not going to be a. I'm not going to sit here and
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  see him. It's what's, the market?
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  Like those East, I can't disagree, but but they'll go
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  back to the West Point a bit cut out.
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  Like, we found out that the Kill cast.
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  His character is claustrophobic now at the start of the second
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  episode, when we get to it, you know, there's the whole thing in
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  the tunnel the rest of it and just sort of things like that.
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  Do you still a woman? So I think we've added so much.
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  I mean, you also find out there Jane's character.
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  I mean, you know, that she falls completely like after this
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  storm, we do wait. I don't get it.
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  But you think that she's got originally is that she's got I
• 19:45
  think she's got like a photographic memory or
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  something. So, if I actually put all this
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  in our heads, I believe was the reason why it perhaps it caused
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  an homage. But again, just taking a little
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  things like that make let me know.
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  In this script. Well that's pointed out well, I
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  know because it's because I'm not buying that excuse.
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  All right, it's not in the story.
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  You don't rush it. Raquel Cassidy's performance
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  right? Yes.
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  Whether it's very good or a little bit disinterested because
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  she's got a naturalism about which I quite like, but she does
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  sort of say, every lie. Like she's about to stifle you
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  Lon. Yeah, well, I think the
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  character is completely fed up being here and as I said, she
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  didn't really get the scripted very last minute.
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  So I think she's probably not the most prepared that test for
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  her for going to the doctor Utopia convention.
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  You know she was absolutely Charming.
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  I think she's got something. I mean I quite like summer for a
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  like just complete rule that I sort of God please especially
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  with another self but it's you Because if they often called
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  since I don't really like that sort of stuff.
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  So now these are going in today, we've been talking about the
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  whole thing. And so here's the here's the
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  come bucket with here sooner. Have you ever seen so much
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  comment or your life? I've not.
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  Oh God. Look at that ghastly face.
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  Coming out of there. I mean when I look at things
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  like that I'm martelly screen. That's what this is.
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  I think Something 12 said it's ghoulish.
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  That's the word dishonest or a purist.
• 21:26
  There's a lot of fuel is freaky things and - I've got another
• 21:29
  word for it, though comical in episode 2 when she becomes.
• 21:35
  Like actually, I know why you like this?
• 21:37
  We've got another Lazarus creature in her own way.
• 21:39
  All these disjointed limbs, do not know.
• 21:43
  I was going to eat all the in but I'll defend the Lazarus CGI.
• 21:47
  Todd. I but neither the CJ of the
• 21:50
  monster nurses just shows. So, you see that if you see the
• 21:56
  Comfort to confidential and you see the Red Queen, the actress
• 22:01
  is on, and she's just making me silly sorted, feces to the
• 22:04
  screen. And I'm thinking well, I said
• 22:05
  director doing with this because surely it should be, you know,
• 22:08
  like scary Beacon. Scary frightening faces.
• 22:11
  So that's why it looks really old because she's just very,
• 22:14
  very much if I want to start with this because I feel that
• 22:16
  there's a lot more stuff. This was the only story.
• 22:25
  I believe that he directed lots of be pretty every week.
• 22:45
  I know we got to go dark sometimes.
• 22:48
  Boy, boy, this is dreary. Oh Holly the fact Tim, I think
• 22:52
  with much set those much, my father's normally brings it
• 22:54
  every now and then in The Sheiks seeing that that feel numb when
• 22:58
  the second waves coming? Well that's just crazy week.
• 23:01
  You touch. She always has this little
• 23:03
  snowball that he shakes. What a solar storm hitting now
• 23:08
  and the answer to all this acid is making me think at every
• 23:11
  nation quite a bit, you know. Yeah they are.
• 23:15
  There was a funky. I think I'm going to be sick.
• 23:18
  Well, thank you very much, thankful to Farmers and me, but
• 23:20
  all the other areas are. Yeah, he certainly be more
• 23:23
  watching some television because there's not quite a countdown,
• 23:26
  but there's obviously like a well, there is really, there's a
• 23:28
  careers Academy and they're cut off from the Tardis as well.
• 23:32
  Just like in your pants and he's about to do something that some
• 23:36
  acts with straight because it turns up an umpteenth episodes
• 23:39
  and that's go to the top of a tall building and get
• 23:41
  electrocuted. Yeah I think they think that
• 23:44
  means sort of Epic in New York because I maybe tenant.
• 23:48
  It a couple of times in the out there.
• 23:50
  Matt Smith. Did it in Vampires of Venice, in
• 23:54
  Venice. Obviously, I do love though,
• 23:57
  that this is not a castle, like, how Borden, or more boring, us
• 24:00
  should see with it be. And this was like, Beauty from
• 24:03
  the deep stale in artists are. I mean, I forgot a few different
• 24:06
  because it's a 60s in the spookiness.
• 24:08
  But if you'd made that know with the just an arm cardboard in our
• 24:12
  mailbox access, I like the fact that this castle in the city and
• 24:16
  had so much. Yeah, without the storm there.
• 24:21
  At least at least I hit you, right?
• 24:22
  They've gone to a physical location which of the what they
• 24:24
  do mostly in. Yeah.
• 24:27
  Can I ask you another question? Now we're seeing the Flesh in
• 24:31
  the you know, they're they're most some would say ghoulish.
• 24:34
  Others would say comical makeup. I think it was clearly actually.
• 24:39
  This is the this story falls down, are on the flesh being or
• 24:47
  the gangers being victims. Doesn't it because In the end is
• 24:50
  like ganga's Liberation. He takes them off to someplace
• 24:54
  to to go go and fight for their rights.
• 24:57
  Yeah, I think is a polling then that they should portray the
• 25:03
  victims of this story as monsters.
• 25:08
  They're like the these like ghoulish horrid disfigured
• 25:12
  monsters. And I'm well right message to
• 25:15
  put across Well, these were certainly, the Jane character
• 25:20
  is, is went mad. That's the first thing.
• 25:23
  I don't think she's represented with every single gang at out.
• 25:27
  There are, but I'm talking about the look of them.
• 25:30
  I just, I just feel like it's almost.
• 25:33
  I'm not gonna say like I'm T disabled because that's quite
• 25:36
  strong, but it's like these people are monsters, because
• 25:39
  they look monstrous, or they don't, they look other having,
• 25:44
  that's a great message. well, it's interesting because the
• 25:50
  Matthew Graham wrote us, he said it was supposed to be a study on
• 25:52
  minor role is and hello. Yeah, along the way as well.
• 26:00
  Sorry, I got lost somewhere on the way as well.
• 26:04
  Well. I think, I think the gym
• 26:08
  character obviously seems to take over, I mean, okay, was
• 26:11
  Cassidy's Cleaves, which means the rate find out, which is the
• 26:15
  reason why she's called evade clean Stony.
• 26:20
  She can get just kinda be asked. By the second option is like I
• 26:23
  just can't be bothered us now judging character.
• 26:25
  So it's almost like And to me, if it's a study on my number is,
• 26:31
  it's a minority group who they have a little extra absolutely.
• 26:34
  Like we could design the wrong way, it's a bit like robots are
• 26:41
  deaf, which is a study of like, like an oppressed slave.
• 26:45
  Yeah, this is but they're going around.
• 26:47
  Murdering people. So the moral of knowledge, a
• 26:51
  somewhere a bit well the Jane characters yellow just kind of
• 26:55
  just go along with it and They we must talk about Jim.
• 27:00
  Okay. Yes.
• 27:01
  Because I'm perfectly convinced that that is one of the worst
• 27:07
  performances I've seen in Doctor Who I like.
• 27:10
  There is something very bizarre and mannered and awkward and
• 27:16
  sort of little girlish. It's so weird.
• 27:20
  Every time she's on scram. Okay, go and go away.
• 27:25
  You're freaking me out. Will you go away?
• 27:27
  Yeah, but I think I think the point out though is that she's
• 27:30
  just sort of acting because she's going completely, she's
• 27:34
  been corrupted by that storm, but we don't know that at this
• 27:38
  point. Do it with.
• 27:39
  In episode one we're supposed to empathize with her because Rory
• 27:43
  empathizes with her. Yeah but that's the guy not
• 27:45
  remember you but no point. Did I sympathize with that
• 27:49
  character? I was just like you are not know
• 27:52
  but because he's a gang that's been corrupted.
• 27:54
  That's the point. Oh, maybe I'll miss maybe I'll
• 27:58
  miss something then other like it's just every time she was on
• 28:01
  the screen I was I was very distracted by her performance.
• 28:05
  Yeah but I think that's that was delivered it because it says
• 28:07
  here she's playing the going on person who has been all gets
• 28:10
  more and more mad. It's just goes on and gets more
• 28:12
  and more vicious and in eventually turns into TR
• 28:17
  portable crappy CGI. Monster in episode 2, she does
• 28:20
  all but go, you know haha, I'm gonna kill everybody.
• 28:24
  The thing that I'm a bit disappointed with the stories.
• 28:26
  Ruri hasn't really learned his lesson about is too nice in
• 28:31
  terms of I mean we love Rudy but Mike is surprised as I do share.
• 28:37
  I mean, yeah I mean I think for this agonizingly terrible story
• 28:41
  about the little girl in The Willies now, but I mean, I think
• 28:45
  he was treated pretty crap by evening and then it's not really
• 28:48
  learned his lesson here because he's through many times in US.
• 28:53
  It. But in a way though, I quite
• 28:55
  like the fact that it's He's got some female interest because I
• 28:58
  think it's good. Timing was sort of putting on
• 29:00
  plays, really, don't you be telling me, he fancies her.
• 29:05
  Well, no, but she certainly find seems to like him.
• 29:08
  It's okay. That's she grabbed something
• 29:11
  slugs in without any information whatsoever, but road is to kinda
• 29:16
  guy, but Amy is jealous of her surroundings restaurant, and
• 29:20
  it's like, well, now, you know how it feels love?
• 29:23
  Did you see that? She just coughed a lot of seamen
• 29:25
  up into that sink. Yes, you have been, there's this
• 29:29
  beautiful city starts because at this point she said that she's
• 29:34
  not the storm. She even said, you know like oh
• 29:36
  my God, that hurts too much have been so that's going on is
• 29:39
  completely like she's starting to go, completely would be here.
• 29:43
  Hmm, and I remember when this part and I'm gonna put this but
• 29:46
  oh my God, this is another seat, bad CGI moment.
• 30:02
  Sneak or something, I'll do this sort of thing on hands.
• 30:08
  Please party, people think of us we yeah we've seen a fair bit of
• 30:13
  sort of coming substance and now we've just seen tunnel is like
• 30:16
  an enormous penis coming for a glory hole.
• 30:19
  I mean why I'm trying to tell us Gacy
• 30:37
  and she's not real self. That.
• 30:41
  Oh my God, I'm not quite, but because he said, they get the
• 30:45
  guys are still trying to figure out who they are or what are
• 30:47
  they? Because I've been corrupted by
• 30:48
  the storm, she's just burn herself, right?
• 30:51
  And also realize that she's a ganger at the same time and
• 30:54
  she's really kind of just sort of.
• 30:55
  Oh dear. Yeah.
• 30:59
  But no, but no, she don't know. She's just like, well, if you
• 31:01
  were told, by the way, you're not going on by the me and
• 31:04
  decide. You know what, that explains a
• 31:06
  lot about my evil. God, probably.
• 31:09
  He actually probably be. Oh my God.
• 31:10
  What does that mean? What do you think?
• 31:15
  It's really, really spooky. And I think they were going for
• 31:21
  eyeball which unless I think that make out there, I mean I
• 31:25
  see Jolla someone. The makeup is pretty creepy.
• 31:28
  Yeah, I like to get that. They've done it for the kids
• 31:31
  because they want to provide scares.
• 31:32
  I just do not like the inference that the Monstrous looking
• 31:37
  characters are the Ins and it's a ton of, it's a monstrous
• 31:42
  parody of the human face. That's what I don't like.
• 31:48
  Okay, but my thoughts about, but for the opposite rule without
• 31:52
  like a Galaxy for. They'll be looking monster was
• 31:56
  actually the good guys and all that.
• 31:58
  I mean, I don't think, you know, I think I would have done and it
• 32:02
  is, it's something I've nicked from flight for entirety because
• 32:06
  we just their episodes of this. And one of the contributors said
• 32:10
  that what they should have done was like the young Kenny Valley
• 32:12
  thing where it's almost an exact replica of the face.
• 32:16
  But something's up Get off. So yeah, always your eyes to the
• 32:19
  fact that whereas it's so differentiated you know exactly
• 32:23
  who's the ganger and he's a person.
• 32:27
  I think maybe that I mean I don't know whether some of the
• 32:30
  thing I mean I should tell you is because you just get this is
• 32:33
  going to give you more an argument and you just going to
• 32:36
  salvage that spot. If I was reading I read that.
• 32:39
  The chef computer voice was originally with the one to do
• 32:42
  it. They were actually going to do
• 32:44
  it now. You're challenged him.
• 32:46
  Oh no they were they they were thank God.
• 32:49
  Didn't do that. Oh God.
• 32:59
  Here we go. A stupid computer voice back.
• 33:03
  It's time. It's time for the work shift to
• 33:05
  start. What I say, you know, do Mark
• 33:13
  Bona is quite handsome as me. He's a bit of a silver fox.
• 33:17
  Yeah. Yeah, I like that.
• 33:20
  Anyway. The 11 on the big finish is
• 33:24
  therefore called them. I think he's come back far too
• 33:27
  many times, but I thought I'd do alaikum, well.
• 33:29
  They recast him didn't know as the knowing and the 12 generally
• 33:34
  do. Hey Mackenzie.
• 33:35
  Oh, shoes fabulous. And she couldn't have a question
• 33:39
  for you. Yeah.
• 33:41
  Okay. So the moral of this story
• 33:43
  although the purpose of this story within the Arc of season
• 33:47
  six. Yeah, yes.
• 33:49
  Is to bring in the idea of gangers because the doctor has
• 33:53
  died. Yeah, Impossible, Astronaut
• 33:56
  there the moon. And so what we're doing is we're
• 33:59
  introducing all these elements that could explain that, it
• 34:02
  might not have been the doctor. It could have been a ganger or,
• 34:04
  you know, it could have been a, the, the robot from let's kill
• 34:07
  Hitler. Yeah, is bringing all this
• 34:09
  oscillator. And at the, in the same breath,
• 34:12
  the other purpose of this story is to introduce the ganger
• 34:16
  element, which then reveals that Amy has been a ganger All along
• 34:20
  shock horror. She's Madam kouvaris prisoner?
• 34:23
  I'm sorry. Did you not know that you look
• 34:25
  quite shocked as everybody? It's been a few years.
• 34:32
  That's that is what the another purposes is to expose me as a
• 34:36
  ganger. So you've got to introduce this
• 34:37
  concept first before you can drop the twist.
• 34:40
  Yes. Yeah.
• 34:41
  So if the whole purpose is story is kind of about Amy technically
• 34:45
  she anything to do in this But I think that's quite clever
• 34:51
  because it means you're never that when the twist comes at the
• 34:54
  end, you're not expecting it. But I do not think Amy should
• 34:57
  have, it would make more sense if Amy, if Amy had been doing
• 35:02
  the wrong row and Amy at have sympathy with the gangers,
• 35:05
  because she is a ganger Yeah. Yeah I'll get stuck to the what
• 35:13
  but because as I do honestly that's a weird stuff going on an
• 35:17
  episode to between ganger Amy and yeah there are some facts as
• 35:26
  I see when I watch this back the first episode of thought was
• 35:30
  pretty good despite what you think.
• 35:31
  But I thought episode 2 when we get to was there was all your
• 35:35
  shoes before. I mean I may be struggling to
• 35:39
  defend as we're able to come, try to defend ourselves.
• 35:42
  I'm gonna pull back for a second.
• 35:43
  Now, covered in, you give me a couple of reasons as to why You
• 35:48
  really like this? I just like the spookiness of
• 35:51
  it, you know, this doppelganger storyline like you've got this,
• 35:54
  this scene here and I don't know that you spent go.
• 35:57
  It's a very good performance but what she's told all these
• 36:00
  screening and he's simplifies in my they're going or who we know
• 36:04
  that she's going a bit loopy because she's just like a punt.
• 36:08
  Well, she has punched rolling with her gang your hand, and all
• 36:12
  the rest of it, but she's here know.
• 36:15
  And she's remembering when she was a girl.
• 36:19
  She was remembering a, mimic the memories.
• 36:21
  So if you're the gang up and you're getting all this stuff,
• 36:24
  just been putting your head and you know you're not just some
• 36:28
  pieces, put a sager, you're hardwired as I think the doctor
• 36:33
  puts it, you're so she's getting all these memories and she's
• 36:36
  remembering And Rory has been really coming together.
• 36:42
  I don't think this was You know, we had reacted at all, that's
• 36:47
  bad. She's like, no.
• 37:01
  I'm me, you know how to talk about characters, you know, when
• 37:10
  they talk about their agonizing back story because I have a
• 37:13
  budget to tell it, yeah, honestly, this puts all of that
• 37:16
  to shame. I had toast for me breakfast, I
• 37:20
  wore my little, well, he's on my own place.
• 37:22
  Are you from? So it's kind of trying to put a
• 37:58
  sort of dramatic wedge between Amy and Rory, isn't it?
• 38:03
  Yeah, she's a doctor. Oh, thank God.
• 38:07
  Sorry that. So the doctor just seen that not
• 38:10
  the greatest CGM over the world and they come bucket.
• 38:13
  That's him. So the doctor, whether it's
• 38:16
  Sonic Screwdriver connected with the Flesh and so the cost of
• 38:20
  places as the doctor puts reaching out in the same Loop,
• 38:23
  you know, come on and my interpretation is that they can
• 38:27
  create A personal doctor because of that.
• 38:32
  And I don't disagree with you on something and but you know what
• 38:37
  I did, like that bit there where is shoes melt within the acid,
• 38:42
  he hopes up the stairs, it is socks, go out there, that's
• 38:45
  quite funny. And God, I laughs, who's this
• 38:49
  fella? I was just this morning, I don't
• 38:52
  even know that man is, yeah, I mean, how many puzzle are placed
• 38:58
  support for us to us. I was the one who died at the
• 39:01
  beginning. Anyone who fell in the acid?
• 39:03
  No, that's that, would suppose on the other day.
• 39:05
  Hi, is a bit of a problem, but I watch this morning and I
• 39:07
  couldn't tell you a thing about these people.
• 39:10
  So, at the moment, you see the moment before Jen comes in and
• 39:15
  has fuel cycle? So at the moment Cleaves this
• 39:17
  Stone, the leader in our gang from, so she's been, and then
• 39:20
  she's like, oh my God. She said I got remember, we have
• 39:27
  the advantage now. Because I think their
• 39:35
  perspective they think. Well, you know, we need to
• 39:40
  straight they're gonna kill us as their perspective but I just,
• 39:44
  I just feel like, then the whole nature of them as victims is
• 39:48
  lost. Because they're no longer
• 39:52
  sympathetic there. Now monsters that are on the
• 39:55
  attack that are basically saying they're going to take over the
• 39:58
  world. So any empathy we might have had
• 40:01
  for them is out the window. No.
• 40:07
  Yeah. Well, let me fill that won't
• 40:11
  stop the animation. Not like this, but to be filled,
• 40:18
  they weren't getting it, didn't they?
• 40:20
  The real people were praying like, oh my God.
• 40:23
  Now, you know me and being very drunk of it and they've
• 40:26
  obviously just thought, you know, what we're going to do, so
• 40:30
  he will, right? I'll tell you why I find the
• 40:33
  performance of Jen so bizarre. And stated it's because the
• 40:38
  performance record cast is so naturalistic and highlight when
• 40:42
  they're in the same together. I'm like, did you two get the
• 40:44
  same notes? Like, are you in the same story?
• 40:48
  I can do that. But you can see that about
• 40:52
  really any Doctor Who story. There's always like, a pulled
• 40:55
  our oh and a hurry in time. Wash to choose completely
• 40:59
  evident in spits, I think pulled our own, Colin Baker, both know,
• 41:02
  they're adapt and survive. In that one, I'll pull down was
• 41:06
  Basically what he was doing and Sheryl Crow, she does not know,
• 41:19
  is he's standing on the edge of oblivia.
• 41:26
  She's It is, do not last very long.
• 42:06
  Yeah. Well, it wouldn't have one of
• 42:07
  them, one of users killed because the real person killed.
• 42:11
  You. Look at this, we're all right.
• 42:12
  Twists around the neck. You always do that, but start,
• 42:17
  that's hilarious. Come on.
• 42:35
  Forcibly want a sharp because it's just nothing of visual
• 42:38
  interest. It's just all dark.
• 42:39
  Gloomy rooms ugly. Old Master de la Todo from Deep
• 42:43
  Space 9. You know, people people looking
• 42:46
  gloomy and miserable. I mean, it's not a lot of fun.
• 42:49
  This is it, it's not fun. Doctor who will give you that,
• 42:53
  but it's supposed to be, I keep saying it.
• 42:56
  But supposed to be darkened Duty and Key and well, that's right.
• 43:02
  A Mobius is dark and creepy and spooky, but it's fucking
• 43:05
  hilarious as well Bates. This is a key, but this is, this
• 43:09
  is weird. They meet each other's so that
• 43:12
  would be awkward. Imagine if you meet with them.
• 43:14
  Well, I've already saved my real self is an illusion but and if
• 43:20
  you met a double of yourself. Oh now you are talking.
• 43:24
  Okay yeah well that would be our usual.
• 43:27
  Do you really want to ask me that question?
• 43:29
  If I met a couple of myself, please continue.
• 43:42
  No, I was going to see. I can only imagine you being
• 43:44
  your double job. Nothing on messy and the master
• 43:47
  Jesus Christ, it will be all sorts going on.
• 43:50
  Not come back, immediately. Big enough.
• 43:57
  You've actually shocked me. Well done often that's the first
• 44:00
  one that's that's about the team that's a bit.
• 44:03
  The team is having a conniption fit right now.
• 44:14
  Are you aware of this? He ain't gonna make it to the
• 44:17
  end of this one. I'm telling or devil, you know,
• 44:21
  she surely knows it. We might see something about the
• 44:23
  come pocket. Surely that can I say?
• 44:26
  Think about Mark Banas character.
• 44:28
  What's his name again? Say, you've got even know his
• 44:34
  name anyway. Mop on the sky.
• 44:39
  Right. Honestly, do you remember that
• 44:41
  scene in episode two, that agonizing sane?
• 44:43
  When that Dreadful kid, actor, turns up going daddy.
• 44:46
  Daddy already going is this her, is this how we're talking on the
• 44:50
  sympathy strings with this character?
• 44:53
  I think he actually available. Yeah, he actually brilliantly
• 44:57
  with the kids terrible and I'll tell you where the kid is not
• 45:00
  the busiest stiff competition in This era.
• 45:03
  Yeah, I would argue that it does worse than him.
• 45:08
  Please name and shame. I'm not above name is shaming
• 45:11
  kid actors, and this thing. Oh god, well, are in God.
• 45:17
  How did you know? It's the worst is that, but I'm
• 45:19
  so bored. Remember in the forest of the
• 45:21
  night, that Bunch. Oh God.
• 45:24
  Yeah, hey me, you've come back to me, please.
• 45:30
  So, let's see. So this is Rachel, cut.
• 45:32
  This is a Cliffs know. She even, even the gang of
• 45:35
  versus went. Oh no.
• 45:36
  This is typical me. Because the real Cleaves is not
• 45:38
  going to is written into coal, basically them because they're
• 45:41
  different from us and all the rest of it.
• 45:44
  So, even the kind of Cleves never saw a change from the way
• 45:48
  they're on our side. God, I can't be bothered with
• 45:51
  us. What's happening?
• 45:52
  Why is my beauty of doing? As often as the actress, you
• 45:56
  know? Not the character is that what
• 45:57
  is this, nonsense? You're asking me to play.
• 45:59
  All right, I'll give it a go. She's obviously very
• 46:02
  stereotypical sort of that different from our selves are so
• 46:08
  very darling. So hang on a second.
• 46:13
  What should I say? I think she was nothing that was
• 46:19
  inattention. So, now they're the victims
• 46:22
  again, because I've come to the negotiating table, but they're
• 46:25
  all about to be executed. Yes.
• 46:27
  So that's what the different says, obviously, like that.
• 46:30
  So I can understand. But unfortunately, the leader
• 46:32
  becomes Jane and Jane this was completely utterly mad, so
• 46:36
  that's the problem. Yeah.
• 46:40
  Sorry, the problem, one of the other problems is is not a lot
• 46:43
  of these people. I don't care what happens to any
• 46:45
  of them. Because she's completely if
• 46:57
  she's even seeing on the real self for me as you know like a
• 47:01
  hold of a piece of well that's typical me on God, what the hell
• 47:03
  am I like? It's almost like a murders been
• 47:05
  held up to her and she's been a kind of be like us, so call me,
• 47:10
  all right and I say sorry. Positive diagnostic like in
• 47:13
  episode 2, there's a scene between the two Cleaves, right?
• 47:17
  Let she go. Those guys, you know, you got
• 47:20
  the one with the brain clock. Welcome to the human race.
• 47:23
  That what that line is a banger. I was like, that's a great look.
• 47:28
  Oh, it's no, no. James gone, completely utterly.
• 47:34
  She's been all right. If she's killing us then, like
• 47:36
  fuck it. We're going to kill them and and
• 47:40
  you can see even the include species even like, oh okay,
• 47:43
  right? Um, I'm not sure.
• 47:45
  So who we ruin for in this? If the humans are trying to kill
• 47:49
  the gangers and a gang is a trying to kill the humans who we
• 47:52
  supposed to be ruler. Well, the doctor Give me an
• 47:57
  order to go lesbians. Oh well, yeah, they can't get
• 48:00
  back to the Tardis can actually, you know, that was quite a fun
• 48:03
  visual you know, the start is just sticking out of the acid.
• 48:07
  Say look at me funny fun things. So obviously she's seen the so
• 48:11
  that's the real. No, that's a really that's a
• 48:15
  real chain. So, what is this fun trying to
• 48:21
  figure out? Who's who So I'll be honest when
• 48:25
  I watched it back, there was a but there's a bit in the second
• 48:27
  episode that are completely forgot, and I was like, oh yeah,
• 48:31
  of course. So that's why going on.
• 48:33
  So when it was the dock Toto, that speeding anger and not, the
• 48:37
  doctor, not at all. When you see, free Jennifer's
• 48:42
  basically to go on to say that director must be weeping that
• 48:46
  night the night before. How the hell am I going to bring
• 48:50
  to the screen? That's what's good for can see
• 48:52
  it. I mean I'll tell you what.
• 48:53
  Another thing about this, it's okay to be scared stuff.
• 48:56
  That's it, that's it. That's it. 67 year old, that's a
• 48:59
  good video. Okay.
• 49:00
  Then cometh come and sleep through the castle in slow
• 49:04
  motion with their sort of posture and their helmets.
• 49:06
  Coming through the, through the senior going through the smoke
• 49:09
  there, across the country, I'm going to stop in drawing again.
• 49:11
  Sorry. Oh, I just find this genso
• 49:17
  unlikable. Well, that's the real one and
• 49:22
  she said well I found them all under one the book to color.
• 49:26
  So the gang are one gets invited to going on Wednesday colder
• 49:29
  now. So she's even been mad enough to
• 49:32
  color a real self or other cell that Soma.
• 49:35
  And she is an inroad. He's just been so much.
• 49:38
  A nice guy is like I need to help her and these women but you
• 49:41
  know, I like what I like and I think, I think he's an idiot.
• 49:58
  He's too nice, a guy. And as I said it comes across
• 50:02
  her, but - but I like endearment or Farmers that, you know, like
• 50:07
  he's wanting to help people, he's a nurse.
• 50:09
  Did you say div? Yeah, I've known that for years.
• 50:13
  Thank you. So first, what the keep Mako and
• 50:21
  I think we've done a terrible much in this Ivory say no in
• 50:24
  this episode and on that large. And that's the episode.
• 50:27
  No, but he gets lots to do in the next one.
• 50:30
  I like how you said they'll do like it's got its wait-and-see
• 50:33
  it and it's know you went full is going to go ho ho and see you
• 50:36
  know because I think that sounds all right.
• 50:38
  John. I'll tell you what my reaction
• 50:40
  to this Cliffhanger. Yeah.
• 50:41
  Is What's worse than Matt Smith? Playing?
• 50:44
  The doctor is here to Matt. Smith's playing the doctor, you
• 50:52
  can even get going are going a doctor like I couldn't lie.
• 50:58
  You could even get a free fish. I beg your pardon.
• 51:01
  That was weird. Yeah, I was going somewhere,
• 51:05
  very strange and I were okay I'll figure that we like come on
• 51:11
  the doctors face or later. You'll see yourself on this one.
• 51:18
  I thought it was gonna be me. I'm the restrained worm.
• 51:22
  When I can I say something about watching the episode were you?
• 51:25
  Yeah. Well that's the most fun I've
• 51:27
  ever had with it but that's because I've not got a listen to
• 51:29
  the terrible dialogue and I can just talk to you, isn't it?
• 51:37
  Miss or yes, I think I slightly prefer
• 51:50
  the second s. Oh, that's interesting because I
• 51:55
  do not prefer the first episode. I mean I don't like it but are
• 51:58
  slightly prefer it and you wait till we get to the end.
• 52:03
  Oh my word. Yeah, I mean I've tried it, you
• 52:06
  are defended the swamp but when it gets to that CGI shortly and
• 52:10
  even I'm going to be struggling but still, but I'll try my best
• 52:12
  to we see each other. I shot him talking about.
• 52:16
  But it's DJ Short. The bad one.
• 52:18
  The one we both know, you think I'm talking about something
• 52:22
  different. Okay well as an enticing
• 52:28
  Cliffhanger for the two-day gap between this and the next one
• 52:32
  going out, okay days. You do that, I apologize.
• 52:38
  If I was relentlessly negative for all that but obviously he's
• 52:42
  going to stop this body. You're just carrying on.
• 52:44
  No, I'm still talking. Yeah, no.
• 52:46
  But I just want to say that was a lot of fun though.
• 52:48
  Thank you. Okay well as an enticing
• 52:28
  Cliffhanger for the two-day gap between this and the next one
• 52:32
  going out, okay days. You do that, I apologize.
• 52:38
  If I was relentlessly negative for all that but obviously he's
• 52:42
  going to stop this body. You're just carrying on.
• 52:44
  No, I'm still talking. Yeah, no.
• 52:46
  But I just want to say that was a lot of fun though.
• 52:48
  Thank you.