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Infamous: Sydney Gordon Part 1 · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Ben Higgins and Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: I bring you Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Infamous, because sometimes roses are red flags. Our
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  Speaker 3: story begins with Sidney Gordon, you know or from Joey season,
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  Speaker 3: from her feud with Maria. Sidney, Welcome to the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 4: Ben.
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  Speaker 2: Sydney's a little bit of a little nervous about talking
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  Speaker 2: to Ben. Because Ben was a little nervous. We'll just
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  Speaker 2: put it out there. Sometimes I think when you admit
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  Speaker 2: the nerves, it makes you feel a little relieved. So
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  Speaker 2: this podcast has really been a year in the making.
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  Speaker 2: We've wanted Sydney on for quite some time. Because I
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  Speaker 2: nominated Sydney to go on the show. I thought she
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  Speaker 2: would be great, and I texted the producers as soon
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  Speaker 2: as they announced Joey was the Bachelor because that was
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  Speaker 2: the only guy that she was interested in possibly going
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  Speaker 2: on the show for. And then she became well, a
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  Speaker 2: villain of sorts to the audience, really unexpected to both
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  Speaker 2: of us.
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  Speaker 1: You did say I would be prod for the show,
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  Speaker 1: and you technically weren't wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Just didn't know that was the caricature you'd fall into.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so Ben was not easy on Sydney when
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  Speaker 2: we would do our recaps last year of Joey's season.
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  Speaker 2: We've wanted her on, like I said, for a whole year,
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  Speaker 2: but Warner Brothers nZk, the production company, they didn't want
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  Speaker 2: Sidney to do interviews. And now she is out of
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  Speaker 2: contract and allowed to do interviews without approval and we
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  Speaker 2: have her here today. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited, And honestly, I think everything happens for
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  Speaker 1: a reason. It's a good thing that I didn't go
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  Speaker 1: on the show a year and a half ago because
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  Speaker 1: my approach would have been so differently. And I've definitely
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of self discovery and growth in the
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  Speaker 1: year and a half and I probably would have left
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  Speaker 1: the podcast not feeling good, and obviously I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be completely different this time around.
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  Speaker 3: We want you to feel good, Sydney. Don't be nervous.
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  Speaker 1: Oh thanks, Ben.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just be honest.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's be honest. I want to start before we
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  Speaker 3: get into all the nitty gritty and all the things
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  Speaker 3: that viewers watched, and allow you the space to tell
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  Speaker 3: your story. I want to ask, are you thankful that
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  Speaker 3: Ashley signed you up for this show? Or do you
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  Speaker 3: look at Ashley as somebody that walked you into one
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  Speaker 3: of the worst decisions of your life.
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  Speaker 1: So no, I would definitely say that I'm thankful for
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  Speaker 1: that experience. I made some friends that I will have
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, and I definitely think
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  Speaker 1: I came out on top in the end from it. Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm definitely thankful for the experience for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you're not mad at me. I
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  Speaker 2: do feel guilt time and time again. But now do
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  Speaker 2: you why do you feel like you came out on top?
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, I I mean, I'm gonna throw astrology
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  Speaker 1: out there, ma Lea. I love attention and I like
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  Speaker 1: having people, you know, like me, and I always was
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  Speaker 1: seeking like validation from other people. And obviously, like when
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  Speaker 1: the whole world it felt like hated me, I had
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  Speaker 1: no choice but to just be like true to myself
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  Speaker 1: and just be okay with knowing who I am, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and the people that actually care about me know who
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  Speaker 1: I am. So I think with that, you know, with that,
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  Speaker 1: and also I think it became a more well rounded
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  Speaker 1: person and understand other people better.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's good, Yeah, good, that's good.
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  Speaker 3: The interesting part of this is that actually just said
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  Speaker 3: she feels guilt. Yes, yeah, I was the one that
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  Speaker 3: was tough on you on this show obviously Ashley just
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  Speaker 3: the experience I feel.
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  Speaker 1: Guilt for, like for having Ashley. She had to dig
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  Speaker 1: herself out of a hole.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, you.
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  Speaker 1: Had to like constantly be like no, like I see
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  Speaker 1: her side though, and like, you know, you didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to you know break you know your NBA underny of
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  Speaker 1: that because I was telling you things that probably shouldn't know.
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  Speaker 1: But no, Ben, I mean, you definitely took the popular vote,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the easy route.
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  Speaker 3: So interesting. The easy route is fine.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take that.
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  Speaker 3: It was maybe the the more uh that was the
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  Speaker 3: majority opinion. However, it wasn't because of you as a person.
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  Speaker 3: Here is where my frustration lied with how you walk
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  Speaker 3: through this show. And I want to give you the
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  Speaker 3: space now before we start talking about Maria specifically, to
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  Speaker 3: really lean into you personally. What I experienced watching the
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  Speaker 3: show was a lot of excitement because of what Ashley
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  Speaker 3: told me about you. There was a lot of hope
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  Speaker 3: that this experience would go really well for you. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know a lot about how the experience went until
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  Speaker 3: the show started airing what we saw with Maria, and again,
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  Speaker 3: this moment isn't about Maria is character development, some growth,
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  Speaker 3: some like wiggling through some really difficult moments to get
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  Speaker 3: to a place where at the end of the day
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  Speaker 3: people were rooting for her. What we didn't see in you,
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  Speaker 3: I felt like was many moments where that you could
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  Speaker 3: have turned the corner, you could have let things go,
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  Speaker 3: you could have moved past some of these arguments, and
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  Speaker 3: it felt like it was always getting drawn back to you.
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  Speaker 3: And so instead of moving on and being like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't working out for me, like people are mad,
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  Speaker 3: she's mad, I am just going to focus on my
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  Speaker 3: relationship and try to make this thing the best I can.
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  Speaker 3: What the show showed us was at each and every
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  Speaker 3: episode that you were around, it continue to get brought
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  Speaker 3: up by you. And so my frustration was why doesn't
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  Speaker 3: she just move on? Like, why doesn't she just take
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  Speaker 3: a step outside of the scenario. So I want to
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  Speaker 3: give you a place to explain why either you didn't
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  Speaker 3: move on or why it didn't look like you moved on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean I definitely you know you're film
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  Speaker 1: from the second you wave go up to the second
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  Speaker 1: go to bed. So I've had like so many different
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  Speaker 1: conversations with you know, Joey, with the girls in the house,
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  Speaker 1: and even with Maria, and they weren't all so like
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  Speaker 1: intense and almost like cut through what you saw. I
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  Speaker 1: think there was a lot of like very like heartfelt
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  Speaker 1: and vulnerable conversations that I've had with Maria, even just
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  Speaker 1: like giving her the benefit of the doubt a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the time, and it just didn't make the final cut.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, like that's just not the narrative that
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  Speaker 1: was set around who I was supposed to be, the
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  Speaker 1: character that I was supposed to be, Like, I wish
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  Speaker 1: that you could have seen that like more softer, quieter,
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  Speaker 1: more like reflective moments that I had, which I definitely
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  Speaker 1: had in the show, but you mostly saw like me
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  Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment with the reactions to
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  Speaker 1: things that had happened that I personally like tried to
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  Speaker 1: get away from but it just it just felt like
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  Speaker 1: it I could get away from it.
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  Speaker 2: With Maria, Like You've always said that lots of girls,
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  Speaker 2: if not the majority, had issues with her. Why did
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  Speaker 2: they always show you as the spokesperson for everybody's issues?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in my opinion, I wish that I knew that.
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  Speaker 1: I think like I think it all stems for like
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  Speaker 1: the first thing that had happened, which was the stupidest
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  Speaker 1: thing in the entire world, the age. And I mean
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  Speaker 1: also too, I do want to preface, like I don't
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  Speaker 1: think like going into like depth about every single thing
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  Speaker 1: is going to do us any good. Also, like he
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  Speaker 1: thought about it where we just ended Grant season.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's been remember the details.
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  Speaker 1: You don't remember the details, but yeah, so like I
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  Speaker 1: just want to like come on here and just give
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more like understanding, you know, just for
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  Speaker 1: the future Villains of America as well. But I think
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  Speaker 1: that basically where it all started was with the whole
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  Speaker 1: age comment. And it's funny because like it was with
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  Speaker 1: Medina had opened up about like her age and how
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  Speaker 1: she was she felt some type away about being the
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  Speaker 1: oldest one in the house.
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  Speaker 4: Basically, you never see you never saw the conversation between
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  Speaker 4: me and Medina. You never saw me like toddling or
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  Speaker 4: whatever that because essentially never even happened. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: so basically what happened was Medina was insecure about it.
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  Speaker 1: I think it might already been planted that people were
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  Speaker 1: talking about the age comment, but I just said she
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  Speaker 1: asked me, and I was just like yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: like Maria said something about her being old too, but
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  Speaker 1: like I don't know, it was never a thing. And
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  Speaker 1: then for some reason something got miscommunicated and it became
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  Speaker 1: this huge thing and it was like being talked about
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  Speaker 1: the house like who said this, Who's who's putting my
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  Speaker 1: character in question? Kind of thing, and then I was
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  Speaker 1: just like, wait, like I heard you say it, though
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  Speaker 1: like it was more of like a instead of like
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  Speaker 1: I did hear you say it? And then it kind
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  Speaker 1: of just more of got of like a I think
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  Speaker 1: I got caught up in being more of like like
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  Speaker 1: why are you gaslighting? And that's very gas lighting is
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  Speaker 1: a terrim I didn't want to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't go. Don't go into that in.
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  Speaker 1: The moment kind of like what I felt about it,
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  Speaker 1: but it honestly was not a big deal. And then
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  Speaker 1: that whole situation kind of got squashed and like we
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  Speaker 1: moved on from it. But yeah, I think that looking
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  Speaker 1: back on it now, like I Mariana, I just like
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  Speaker 1: communicated so differently, just so differently. I think I'm more
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  Speaker 1: of a I'm more sensitive than her. I think that
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  Speaker 1: she works with more of like a if. You're a if,
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  Speaker 1: like your feelings get hurt from when I say, that's
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  Speaker 1: like your problem, and like I understand that. And I
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  Speaker 1: think like her intentions were always good, whereas like before
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  Speaker 1: I thought they were kind of like malicious. But I
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  Speaker 1: just think she never she never meant any harm by anything.
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  Speaker 1: I think we just communicated differently.
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  Speaker 3: What you'd say now is you look back and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: I was wrong to think that her intentions were not good.
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  Speaker 3: You now think her intentions were good throughout the process.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I would say that I think that I don't
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  Speaker 1: think her intentions were to ever hurt my feelings. I
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  Speaker 1: think that she just communicate communicates differently.
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  Speaker 3: There's a thing here that I always kind of in
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of it is giving you the benefit
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  Speaker 3: of doubt. And also it's just a trick that the
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  Speaker 3: show can do to somebody when they get wrapped up
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  Speaker 3: in a moment like you did or in a thing
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  Speaker 3: that you did. What what happens is the show h
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  Speaker 3: from the inside makes you almost feel like a hero,
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  Speaker 3: like you're doing the right thing because you're standing up
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  Speaker 3: against a common enemy. And they make Maria feel like
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  Speaker 3: a common enemy. They say things to you in private
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  Speaker 3: that she said, and they're like they you know, you
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  Speaker 3: are doing a great job by standing up to her,
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  Speaker 3: and as a result, when it airs, sometimes that gets
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  Speaker 3: switched over and you realize that you're actually the one
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  Speaker 3: that's speaking up so much, and it makes you look
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  Speaker 3: like a villain instead of the hero, which you felt
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  Speaker 3: during the process of the show, like you were standing
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  Speaker 3: up for your friends and really nobody else wanted you to.
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  Speaker 3: Was this what happened to you, because it has happened
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  Speaker 3: to many before when you're in the environment, did you
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  Speaker 3: feel like you were doing the right thing?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you just hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 1: Like I definitely felt like I was, you know, standing
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  Speaker 1: up to the person that everyone had a problem with.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that looking back at it now, I
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  Speaker 1: should have prioritized instead of being like this hero, more
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  Speaker 1: of like the real reason why I was there. But
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you when you start the show, you don't have communication
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  Speaker 1: with anybody. You can't talk to your friends, can't talk
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  Speaker 1: to your family. See, you just find somebody that you trust,
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  Speaker 1: and I like fully trusted my producer like so much,
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  Speaker 1: and like there was times where I was like super overwhelmed,
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  Speaker 1: crying in her arms, and then she'd be like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, sending like Maria was just mocking you in
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  Speaker 1: the camera while you were crying, and I'm just like why, bitch,
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  Speaker 1: Like why would she do that? And then it's just like,
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  Speaker 1: wait did now looking back and I'm like, wait, did
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  Speaker 1: she actually though? Or you know, it was just a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of those little things that constantly added up into
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  Speaker 1: making me like feel you know, hurt and upset and
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  Speaker 1: angry in all those things, and like what you saw
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  Speaker 1: was my reaction to that. So that's kind of where
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  Speaker 1: I think it. Even though I really I did really
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  Speaker 1: try hard to get away from the drama, it just
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  Speaker 1: felt like it was never ending.
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  Speaker 3: Sucks you in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of times we talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the edit. You know, people kind of hate hearing that,
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  Speaker 2: like it was the edit that made me look bad, right,
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  Speaker 2: the audience just doesn't want to hear that. But there's
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  Speaker 2: one thing that we don't talk about when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the edit, and that is like character development. And
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  Speaker 2: with you, you didn't really have any. All you had
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  Speaker 2: was that you jumped right into drama with somebody else,
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  Speaker 2: but we didn't get to know you at all before that,
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  Speaker 2: Like even your exit from the limo was like an
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  Speaker 2: nothing you had nothing night one, Like I remember watching
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  Speaker 2: the screener and then texting you and being like, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to be disappointed at Night one, like you're not
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  Speaker 2: in it, And I think that obviously that's a mechanism
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  Speaker 2: that's part of the edit, right, It's a mechanism for
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  Speaker 2: people not to latch onto for like any likable qualities,
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  Speaker 2: and then you jump into the drama and they just
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  Speaker 2: don't have any any reason to say, like, oh I
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  Speaker 2: like this girl, so they're immediately on the other person's side,
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  Speaker 2: who has, in Maria's case, had a ton of character development.
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  Speaker 2: How frustrating was that for you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: No, And like do you have examples in which, like
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  Speaker 2: the audience could have learned to like you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. It was like when the drama started, it
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  Speaker 1: was like a Team Maria team versus Team Sidney, but
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  Speaker 1: there was no Team Sidney, Like why would there be?
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  Speaker 1: They didn't even know who I was. I just came
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  Speaker 1: like a came out of nowhere, Like Night one, you
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  Speaker 1: barely saw me, like I had like a great interaction
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  Speaker 1: with Joey, like a little bit of banter. We love
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  Speaker 1: Matt and that have a banter, but and you know,
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  Speaker 1: like a really good conversation. I was like super confident
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  Speaker 1: in that, and then because the audience never really saw that,
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  Speaker 1: it almost was like looking like I'm jealous of this
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  Speaker 1: person and like her confidence and her connection and all
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  Speaker 1: of that, when at the end of the day, like
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  Speaker 1: it was never that I never even saw the version
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  Speaker 1: of her that you know everyone else saw, which honestly,
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  Speaker 1: like looking back and like wow, watching her, I'm like
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  Speaker 1: if I knew this of her, like we'd be friends.
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  Speaker 1: Like I like think that, you know, she is really
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  Speaker 1: cool and like how everyone else sees her. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just think that I've had so many conversations and
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  Speaker 1: like that were heartfelt and they just like with Joey
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  Speaker 1: with the girls in the House, like you see it now,
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  Speaker 1: like if you follow me on social media, Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: still really close with a lot of the girls in
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  Speaker 1: the House, and like I wish that the show showed
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  Speaker 1: that because there was so many moments where like, like
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  Speaker 1: I supported the women and like there were so many
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  Speaker 1: parts where I was just so much more like it
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  Speaker 1: was just so much beyond the tension. And also like
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  Speaker 1: I'm I wouldn't say I'm funny, but I'm like very witty,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like there was a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: I was super witty in my itms, and like no
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  Speaker 1: one saw that, even just like bits with the girls,
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  Speaker 1: like we were just did stupid things like I wish
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  Speaker 1: that people got to see my relationship with the girls
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  Speaker 1: and you know, see who I am as a person,
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe things would have made little bit more sense.
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  Speaker 3: You said something earlier, you said, I took the popular opinion.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting I did. No, I agree with it. I did.
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  Speaker 3: I took the popular opinion, and I don't feel bad
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  Speaker 3: because I know what actually, Okay, That's where I'm going
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  Speaker 3: with this is. You know, Ashley's told me the kind
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  Speaker 3: of person you are. I never said, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: this city is a terrible human, like how does she
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  Speaker 3: exist in this world? It was a legitimate critique of
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  Speaker 3: what I witness on a television show. And I think
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  Speaker 3: for this specific infamous section, there's a few things I
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  Speaker 3: want to point out and then ask you a question
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  Speaker 3: based on it. The behind the scenes of this is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: What they did, was they I'm trying to think of
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  Speaker 3: the right word. They manipulated you to feel like a
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  Speaker 3: hero and to continue a storyline that was unhelpful for
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  Speaker 3: you personally. And so I can see where when you're
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  Speaker 3: in the house, you have a polarizing character and Maria,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: she's loud, she's outspoken, and they say, we need somebody
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  Speaker 3: to go after her, and Sydney, you just happen to
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  Speaker 3: be the one they chose to be the focus point
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  Speaker 3: to go after her, to make to be what you
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  Speaker 3: felt like was a hero in the house, to stop
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  Speaker 3: this person that you felt like was harming the environment,
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  Speaker 3: and you don't know what the outcome is going to
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  Speaker 3: be until the show airs. And so when I took
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  Speaker 3: the popular opinion, what I was doing was I was
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  Speaker 3: watching a show and saying, like I said, why doesn't
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: she stop this behavior? This is unnecessary? Why doesn't she
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: move on? She's never going to win this battle. She's
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: in a vacuum of chaos, and she's never going to
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: get out until she chooses to get out. So my
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: question is coming to you now, we can blame editing.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I hate it. I hate that we blame editing because
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: what happened was this wasn't edited to make you look
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: this way. It was manipulated in the house, I feel
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: like to make you be this way. And so I
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: think the personal responsibility for any future cast member is
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: to at some point go, they're really making me focus
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: on this girl a lot. They're asking me a lot
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: of questions about this one human. They're really firing me
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: up about this one human. No, I'm going to put
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: my stake in the ground and say I'm done with it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I got one thing to focus on. That's the lead,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: that's Joey here in this scenario. So looking back and
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: this whole thing now, and you know what it felt
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: like when we're watching it, It still felt a little
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: chaotic to me. When was a moment that you would
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: have put your foot down, Like, when was a moment
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: that you should have said, I'm done with this, this
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: isn't gonna be, this isn't helpful for me or somebody else,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: or did that ever come to your mind.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: There was so many moments where I said I'm done.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about this. Like the amount of times
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you've seen me and Maria's interactions that barely scratched the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: surface We've had way more conversations than that one where
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: like I stormed off. I'm like, this is just we're
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: not getting anywhere, like we're let's just agree to disagree.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: The amount of time said let's just agree to disagree.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I said that so many times, and it just it
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: just wasn't enough. I think that this was what, this
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: is really what the only drama that was going on
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: in some way they it that just kept continuing it
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and like I was definitely naive, Like I wish I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't as naive as I was, and I you know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I believe them in saying like you know, you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: she's she's talking about you again. I'm like, so about
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: me again, like you know, and I'm I wish it
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: for someone like okay, letter, all right, sure.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I will also give you credit here because
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I don't have the personality that can do that, and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think that you could either, And that's okay, yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: No, I definitely didn't. And like I mean, I grew
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: up in New England, like we were told like you
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: say something, you see something, you say something. If somebody
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: gets in your face, you get on your face back.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: That was kind of like how I grew up and like,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: so I don't know, that's just just who I am.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And like when I left the show, I told Ashley,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so proud the person that I was,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Like my family would be proud of, like me sticking
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: up to like the mean girl. Like that was actually
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like how I left the show feeling like I was
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: actually super proud of that. But then you know, now
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: looking back at it, like we're all humans, Like we're
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: all humans. I think, like I do feel bad thinking
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: about the times where like Maria probably did feel very
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: ginged up on and like that was never my intentions,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Like my intentions were never to be like your horror person,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you're a mean girl, you're this, you're that. My my
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: intentions are more to like to just be like, hey,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like you do this is how you come off to people.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I think, like you're not intending to, but like you're
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: hurting people's feelings. And that was like what it was originally,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: but then it obviously escalated into just I was like
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you you're a bitch, you know, And I wish I'd
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: never ever got to that point because that goes against
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like everything I believe in. And then but yeah, I
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: love it to learn.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: We are going to wrap up part one in a
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: little bit, but I wanted to end on some light
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: notes with you, said, so I signed you up for
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the show the second Like I said earlier in the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: episode that Joey was announced and you showed a little interest,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, yo, I think that I can get
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you on the show, no problem. I end up texting
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: one of our close producer friends that was still there. Unfortunately,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: if somebody wants me to sign them up from the
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: show now, it's gonna be a lot harder. But you
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: made the perfect timeline. I texted them pictures and immediately
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: they were interested in you. And I thought that you'd
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: be so good on the show because obviously you're beautiful.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: But all my girlfriends who have met you at your
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: shop Folk, which you guys, is a very cool vintage
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: shop in Newport, Rhode Island. It's a must go to
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: if you're ever visiting here. All my friends that I
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: would take to go there, they would be like, oh
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: my god, this it is so cool, Like she's such
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a cool girl. She intimidates me, like they all thought
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that she was so awesome, had the best style, a
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: cool like nonchalant personality. You were just like so easy, breezy,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: effortless cool to us. And then and then the same
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: with Audrey's. So we I met sid because she was
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the social media organizer. You ran our social media at Audrey's,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and then she ended up taking not over my social media,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: but doing like whenever i'd have a big ad, I'd
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: have sid record it on her really awesome camera, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: she's so good at videography and she's so good at editing,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: so any content that we needed that was like of
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: a high quality. We really made sure that Sidney was
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: there for us. And I was like this girl, Like
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: she has an amazing career, she's got a great personality,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and she's beautiful and she's cool girl. She's gonna be
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: great on the show. I always predict that you would
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: get to like top four. Then you came home and
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you told the story and you were convinced you were
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the hero. You're like ash, it was just like you.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I had the two on one and I called out
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the villain and I was like, oh no way, I'm
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: like totally thinking that you're gonna have a very similar
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: character arcis.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And then Jared was listening to tell the story, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: he you didn't leave. You left, and he was a
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: little less confident than I was.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: No, he called it early like he was like, ooh,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He's like, is the fact that I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: also went home so like much earlier, you know I've
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: been telling I was like, everyone's gonna be sad I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: went home.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: That's so funny. I felt very similarly when I came
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: back from Crystals this season. But there is always when
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: you are the person that is in the drama, whether
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: you are the good guy or the bad guy, whatever
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you want to make it, it's like when you're telling
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the story I was involved in the drama, I was like,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I was the one that took them down.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, but there's a fifty to fifty chance
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: you don't really know which of you was the villain, right,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And that's what Jared was concerned about. He was like,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: if she was one of the two, there's like a
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: fifty percent chance, said she was the one that's going
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to go down in flames.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I mean I was just going off
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of two of Like, I mean, the energy of the house.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, everyone feels the same way as me. And
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: then like also like I mean my producer said, there
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: was like no way that she was gonna be getting
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: good at it or anything, but like, yeah, no, it's honestly,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we can look back at it
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: now and just like laugh.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: But obviously actually, like remember when we were watching it
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: back is obviously you you saw the episode before I
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: saw it, because I saw like everybody else. Yeah, you
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: said to me the worst thing like, yeah, you look
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: bad and like a lot of it, but like the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: worst thing is the cheer.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, that episode, because I think that was maybe
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the first episode where you're starting to have the creepy
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: music behind you, where like you're trying to steer yeah right, no,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: just I mean, like in general, like they were trying
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to put the villain music behind you, and I was like, oh, okay,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I see what they're kind of doing here. And then
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: there was that she and I was like, yeah, you
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: don't look great because you look cringey, you don't look evil,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: but they were already trying to at that point make
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you be the lesser likable one in comparison to Maria. Yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: because do you want to give the little context to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the cheer.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, like I knew I didn't have
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: a talent, Like I was, Like I even said I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: was it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Was a talent show, guys, if you don't remember, it
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: was a talent show.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so basically I was like I went because
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: there was a pageant. So it was a pageant and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: then there was a talent portion in the Yeah. Well
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I this is what I said in my itms, but
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: it got a little bit cut up. But I said, well,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I was on the Miss USA pageant because there was
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: no talent, Like you don't have you don't have to have.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: A Miss Usa.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Missusa, you don't have to have a talent. So
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, my mom put me in that knowing
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a talent.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Which is truly funny when you say it like that.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And then like also like I was, I was like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna make a fool of myself.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I don't care, like it's a joke if you I mean,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: so many people like CHRISA for example, she she picked
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: up the trombone and you were like, oh my god,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: this girl she knows how to play drummone Nope, she
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: had no idea, but she just she I don't even
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: know if they even showed that talent, but it was
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: so funny. So it was just like a theme where
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: we were just making fun of ourselves and making it
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: light and fun and then like watching it back and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: making it look like I was like dead serious. Was
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: honestly hilarious, but it was like people's reaction. I was like, oh,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: but honestly, yeah, no, it was hella cringey. But honestly,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I think my my my cheer l O V E
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Joe is the one for me, And I think that's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: like pretty clever.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: It's cute. I like that, but like the audience cheered
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: for you, and it wasn't an awkward vibe in the audience, right.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: He added crickets, Yeah, that's cool.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And is that the most traumatic moment that happened to you?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: And the airing back and it was, guys are very sad.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Like Sydney would come over and just be like texting
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: her friends from the group, you know, from the show
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: on the group chat, trying to figure out like how
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: people were interpreting all of this, and she'd be crying.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: It was in like the in Instagram and TikTok brutal
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and yeah, but you have recovered in a beautiful way
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and people line up at your store, you know during
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: your bin sales. You have an amazing business. Now, would
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: you say that the show helped your business? I think
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it was always doing well, but yeah, no, I mean.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: It definitely did. People come in and they're like, oh
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: my god, I watched you on the Bachelor, and like,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I thankfully every person that has come up to me
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: has been so sweet and so kind, and it is like, honestly,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it's made every like obviously people on social media can
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: be ruthless, like I have never experienced somebody in person,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: like everyone's been so kind and like, yeah, I mean
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all press is good press,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I guess. And I like when people do come into
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the store and like we'll have like watch my watch
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: me on the show, have an idea or me come
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: up to me and then like actually have a conversation
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: with me and be like wow, okay, like you are
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: not what I thought at all. So I actually really
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: enjoy changing people's minds. God.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, well brand notes, all right, we
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: will finish with the dramatic stuff later on. This week
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: during our part two of the interview with Sidney Gordon,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: so stay tuned for that. We love you guys.
• 31:44
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• 31:47
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