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When Words Take on New Meanings · Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: the usual. But there's still pretty robust episodes of like
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Speaker 1: twenty minutes basically. Right. Yeah, so three times, three times
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Speaker 1: a week. My hat is off to you. I'm also
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Speaker 1: We're so building up to get the Classics Wednesdays, Thursdays
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Speaker 1: and of course we reached out to them, and they
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Speaker 1: podcasts are huge, Like you know, you guys have millions
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Speaker 1: and millions of listeners, like they all feel like they
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Speaker 1: truly in the cradle, guys. Very sad with the Silverspoon. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys are here. I know Chuck is too,
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Speaker 1: so welcome, Welcome to the family. After a year, Well
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Speaker 1: on our first day here. Were talked about this previously,
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Speaker 1: but like we we went around the house, works offices,
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Speaker 1: we met everyone. We're in these meetings and stuff. Everyone
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Speaker 1: It's amazing. I mean, everyone works hard, but they also
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Speaker 1: get to spend time with their families. And uh, when
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Speaker 1: we got in the elevator, We're like, where did they
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Speaker 1: keep the jerks? Like there don't seem to be any
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Speaker 1: in this company. It was just so not did you say,
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Speaker 1: are we the jerk? That's what I said, We're here
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Speaker 1: at the jerks. Yeah, that's one of the really cool things,
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Speaker 1: Like we I think we differ from a lot of
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Speaker 1: podcast companies in that way, and that we have all
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Speaker 1: this great like talent on the roster and we're also
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Speaker 1: going out and developing cool stuff. Yeah, very cool. So
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Speaker 1: so enough about all this, Let's talk about the show
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Speaker 1: some more. All Right, you guys have like quizzes typically
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Speaker 1: you have lots of guests on what are some of
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Speaker 1: the best um questions that you've asked and some of
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Speaker 1: the best guests that you've had so far. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's been one of the most fun parts about this
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Speaker 1: is getting to reach out to experts in different things,
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Speaker 1: and even experts in areas that we didn't realize there
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Speaker 1: were experts. You know, we got to talk to America's
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Speaker 1: only certified water Somali A. I mean, we always hear
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Speaker 1: about in the world of wine and that there's an
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Speaker 1: expert in the world of water that these fine restaurants
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Speaker 1: reach out to and getting me hear the ins and
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Speaker 1: outs of that. But it was Antarctica's poet in residence
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Speaker 1: right right, So it's wonderful or she's not allowed to
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Speaker 1: leave the hu Well she eventually left, but we didn't
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Speaker 1: get to take a lot of hot showers, don't you.
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Speaker 1: I can imagine, And she probably swam away made her getaway.
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Speaker 1: We had a a guest on recently that an author
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Speaker 1: of a book called When, and it was about the
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Speaker 1: science of perfect timing. His name is Daniel Pink, and
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Speaker 1: he was teaching us about, you know, how much time
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Speaker 1: of day affects all of us and helping us learn
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Speaker 1: the uh, the disturbing fact that we're all a little
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Speaker 1: more racist than the afternoons. And it was just weird
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Speaker 1: things like that. He was talking about staging these court
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Speaker 1: cases where they have these kind of mock jurors and
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Speaker 1: they put them together. This was not on a real trial,
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Speaker 1: that would be an unfortunate way to test this, and um,
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Speaker 1: they would test their behavior and whether they were more
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Speaker 1: or less likely to convict someone um in certain scenarios.
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Speaker 1: And they looked at what happened in the morning and
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Speaker 1: what happened in the afternoon, and had people of different races,
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Speaker 1: and they were more likely to come down more hard
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Speaker 1: on on someone of you know, a different race in
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Speaker 1: the afternoons. Yeah, I mean it really does have to
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Speaker 1: do with our our body clocks are circadian rhythms, and
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Speaker 1: it's honestly that's that's that's part of it. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: the the science of that perfect timing, and uh, we
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Speaker 1: learned we've changed our behavior around this. A different fact
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Speaker 1: that came out of that one was that they've done
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Speaker 1: a statistical analysis on teams that do more high fiving
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Speaker 1: and chest bumping, and it said head slapping. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure exactly what that dangerous mango slaps my head before
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Speaker 1: every episode and they are actually shown to win more frequently.
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Speaker 1: It might be because they're winning, so they're high fiving.
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Speaker 1: Probably not high fiving, but it's just a lot of
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Speaker 1: fun to have these people on that have studied such
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Speaker 1: fascinating things. You know, we consider them the experts. Were
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Speaker 1: not experts, but it's a selfish thing for us. We
8:33
Speaker 1: get to sit back and learn from people who know
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Speaker 1: so much about so many interesting things. Yeah, we we
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Speaker 1: had we didn't show on rudeness and and whether there's
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Speaker 1: a rudeness epidemic. And there's this guy at Danny Wallace
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Speaker 1: who wrote this great book, and one of the facts
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Speaker 1: he was talking about was that this mayor in uh
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Speaker 1: Cortina or somewhere in Columbia he uh he fired the
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Speaker 1: corrupt police force and hired a bunch of mimes to
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Speaker 1: mock people as they were jaywalking. And it basically shames
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Speaker 1: the into being more polite. It was amazing or annoyed
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Speaker 1: them into being either way. But I mean, I feel
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Speaker 1: like minds are underused career. They really are, especially as
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Speaker 1: civil servants arise in mind violence. That's right, there's another
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Speaker 1: study being done about how that could have happened. Well,
9:25
Speaker 1: everybody out there, if you haven't picked up on the
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Speaker 1: It's part time Genius dot Com. Right, part Time Genius
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Speaker 1: dot Show. We decided to check it to another lot,
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Speaker 1: of you or dot com was, but we were really
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Speaker 1: thinking about it. Yeah, Part Times Genius dot Show. You've
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Speaker 1: got the podcast archives on there, so everybody go check
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Speaker 1: it out, yeah, or of course iTunes or where we
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Speaker 1: get your podcast. That's right, and that what we say.
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Speaker 1: I think we say those things all right, fis bumps, guys,
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Speaker 1: no head slaps, Thank you so much. All right, thanks guys.
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Speaker 1: It's always a joy to hang out with those two. Huh.
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Speaker 1: I love those guys. They are truly good guys. Um, so, Chuck.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about words today, Yeah, specific words, historical
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Speaker 1: words that people may or may not be using correctly,
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Speaker 1: correct that people may or may not have really defined
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Speaker 1: some of these instances. There's really no problem with them,
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Speaker 1: but they're fun to talk about, right. It's that whole
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Speaker 1: descriptive ist prescriptive ist thing, you remember, that whole thing
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Speaker 1: we used to get into. Boy, it's a trip down
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Speaker 1: memory lane, isn't it. Thing? So so like descriptivists are
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Speaker 1: kind of like language is constantly involved. Just go with
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Speaker 1: the flow. Prescriptivists are like, no, no, that languages language,
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Speaker 1: and you're if you're using it wrong, you're wrong, right, Um,
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Speaker 1: Like David Foster Wallace was a prescriptivist, like basically, grammar
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Speaker 1: nazi is another way to put it right. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I want to go ahead and this is not on
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Speaker 1: our list, but let's go ahead and throw decimate in there,
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Speaker 1: because um, that is a word that we used to
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Speaker 1: hear from a lot when we said something was decimated,
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Speaker 1: and we would have perse script which one is the
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Speaker 1: yes email us and say decimate means you know, desa
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Speaker 1: is by tin, so reducing by ten percent is what
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Speaker 1: it means, guys. And eventually I had just started writing
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Speaker 1: people back and saying, you know, the modern dictionary even
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Speaker 1: says that it has now come to learn decimate can
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Speaker 1: just mean you know, yeah, later waste wiping out like this,
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Speaker 1: this bush mails decimated me last night. It well reduced
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Speaker 1: you by probably more than ten percent, depends on how
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Speaker 1: But anyway, that's always been a grete for me. Like
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Speaker 1: even when it's officially changed its stephan and over time
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Speaker 1: and recognized as such, people will still get their hackles up.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, it's usually dude. Yeah, but that's
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Speaker 1: a prescriptive ist railing against it. Well yeah, and it's
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Speaker 1: also like, come on, man, like I'm sorry, we're not
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Speaker 1: using the fifteen century usage of the word. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: decimate they got their tunic in a twist, no tunics technically,
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Speaker 1: So I guess this one is. I think this episode
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Speaker 1: is kind of for the prescriptivists if you think about it,
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Speaker 1: I still don't know who's who. Prescriptivists are the ones
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Speaker 1: who are who you're talking about the what are we
12:37
Speaker 1: prescriptive ist pennant? So we're not that, no, no, okay,
12:43
Speaker 1: we're definitely we go with that to each each their
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Speaker 1: own motto. Yeah, and this is, of course another we
12:47
Speaker 1: haven't done a top ten in a while, but as
12:50
Speaker 1: everyone knows, our top tens are never ten U And
12:54
Speaker 1: it kind of occurred to me that's usually because some
12:57
Speaker 1: of them we just think are dumb, and also because
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Speaker 1: of because the way we go these things would be
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Speaker 1: a way we're an hour long, we decimate the top
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Speaker 1: ten lists. Actually, yeah, alright, so let's start. Man, we're
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Speaker 1: talking again. I don't know if we got this across
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Speaker 1: yet or not, but we're talking about historic words that
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Speaker 1: come from history that are either used wrong or not
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Speaker 1: fully not not. They don't really get across the original
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Speaker 1: intent necessarily. They're just kind of evolved over time, right,
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Speaker 1: and the first to kind of pair together quite well,
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Speaker 1: like a nice like a nice wine and a shot
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Speaker 1: of bush mills. Right. Oh god, I'm not even on
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Speaker 1: a bush mills kick. I don't know where this came from.
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Speaker 1: We had bush mills and a long time. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: it's not something you would normally shoot it either, oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: or dropping a glass of cabernet. Right, yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: people shoot bush mills. Yeah, you probably shoot anything. You
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Speaker 1: know who do headonists? Very nice, thank you, very clever.
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Speaker 1: So that's so that's the first word is hedonism, right yeah.
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Speaker 1: So uh, most people think of the word hedonism as
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Speaker 1: and and they do mention in this article that there
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Speaker 1: is a nudist resort in Jamaica called Hedonism, which I
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Speaker 1: and there's hedonism too. I think there's more than one. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of nudists crowded on the island. I
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Speaker 1: remember remember when we did our nudist episode. Um, I
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Speaker 1: ran across an article about like a swingers resort. I
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Speaker 1: think it was hedonism and it was just like it
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Speaker 1: may have been immense health article or BuzzFeed or something
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Speaker 1: like that, but it was like, I want to a
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Speaker 1: nudist swingers resort and basically never want to have sex again.
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Speaker 1: I'm so grossed out with myself humanity. Yeah. Yeah, not
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Speaker 1: to say that that's hedonism, because they may eventually be
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Speaker 1: a sponsor one day, that's right. But hedonism is most
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Speaker 1: people use that throw that word around to equate with
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Speaker 1: just the ultimate in like sexual slash uh party, debauchery.
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Speaker 1: Debauchery is a great word for it. Drinking fornicating orgies
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Speaker 1: or find uh scented oils and silken linen's being completely ruined. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so that is that's basically what most people think of
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Speaker 1: with hedonism. It's like giving into your every desire, especially
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Speaker 1: carnal desires um even at great personal risk and without
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Speaker 1: much foresight. Right. Apparently that is not at all the
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Speaker 1: case of what hedonism meant originally, but you can kind
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Speaker 1: of see how it evolves over time because hedonism stems
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Speaker 1: from the Greek word for pleasure, right, hedonia, And the
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Speaker 1: idea is that originally the Heatonist it was an umbrella
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Speaker 1: school of philosophy. I think We kind of touched on
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Speaker 1: it in our Stoicism episode, but it was an umbrella
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Speaker 1: philosophy where I basically said, there's two things in life
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Speaker 1: that are that you need to pay attention to, and
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Speaker 1: everything else falls into place if you are maximizing pleasure
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Speaker 1: and avoiding pain. Yes, those are the two things, pleasure
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Speaker 1: and paint. Maximize one, minimize the other. Yeah, But the
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Speaker 1: whole thing is they don't say. Nowhere in there does
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Speaker 1: it say and by the way, this involves um orgies,
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Speaker 1: um charcooterie trays, which is weird because we're talking the
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Speaker 1: Greeks here. You know. Well, I mean, I'm sure hedonism
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Speaker 1: it also meant that, but it didn't exclusively mean that,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, so like, it could also
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Speaker 1: mean delights of the mind, intellectual pursuits, stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: It even says altruism, which is it's kind of funny
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Speaker 1: to think about someone saying like I brought I bought
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Speaker 1: groceries from my elderly neighbor and it was a pure
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Speaker 1: hedonistic sensation came up from So you're such a hedonist.
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Speaker 1: But technically back then that could have been the way
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Speaker 1: you might use that word. Yeah, And and even more
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Speaker 1: to the point that hedonist said, there is there's something
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Speaker 1: you really want to pay attention to here. Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: want to experience pleasure, but it is really easy for
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Speaker 1: pleasure to turn into pain or degradation or addiction. And
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Speaker 1: you have to bear this stuff in mind or else
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Speaker 1: you're you're you're going to pursue pleasure at your own expense,
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Speaker 1: and then you're not doing it right. Um, there's actually
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Speaker 1: this guy in the I think the eighteenth century, Jeremy Bentham.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember if he was at Cambridge or Oxford.
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Speaker 1: Were five million emails, surely we have. But he was
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Speaker 1: a fellow or a dawn or whatever of philosophy at
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Speaker 1: this university that's still around, and every year at one
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Speaker 1: of their annual banquets they bring his mummified head out
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Speaker 1: and put it at the head of the table. I
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Speaker 1: think on it like a wax dummy. So he's dressed
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Speaker 1: as himself and they've got the guy's mummified head. That's
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Speaker 1: how much of a revered philosopher he was. He came
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Speaker 1: up with this thing called philosophic calculus. It's basically a
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Speaker 1: an equation an equation, right, This is pretty dry, but
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Speaker 1: it's the whole point is is to pursue pleasure as
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Speaker 1: much as possible and to avoid pain. And he said,
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Speaker 1: you have to consider things like the duration of the
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Speaker 1: pleasurable event, the intensity um, how certain it is, the
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Speaker 1: fecundity like is it going to spawn more pleasure afterward? Um,
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Speaker 1: the purity will it actually devolve into pain? Um? The
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Speaker 1: extent of it, which means how many people are are
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Speaker 1: affected by it um. And if you take all these
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Speaker 1: factors into account, you can you can run any experience
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Speaker 1: or any decision you have in life through that and
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Speaker 1: decide I'm not gonna do this, or yeah, I'll have
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Speaker 1: that bite of cool whip out of the fridge. Is
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Speaker 1: anyone still use that? I'm sure there's a few people
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Speaker 1: out there that do. They're very exacting, I mentioned so,
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Speaker 1: so that's hedonism. Yeah right, we took all the pleasure
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Speaker 1: out of that pretty quick. But that leads to another
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Speaker 1: word that's misused frequently, epicurean. Epicurean. Yeah, that's the thing
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Speaker 1: that nowadays you hear people use the word epicurean. There
19:26
Speaker 1: are probably a lot of restaurants that have a name
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Speaker 1: on some derivation of this word, but it's tied into
19:33
Speaker 1: food and drink, like really fine food, top shelf wine
19:39
Speaker 1: and food. If you have epicurean tastes, then you were
19:43
Speaker 1: someone who concerns yourself with the finer things at in
19:46
Speaker 1: the dining room specifically, right, And it's not quite as much,
19:50
Speaker 1: it's not quite as much identified with overdoing it as hedonism,
19:54
Speaker 1: But there's um I think more than anything. It's like
19:57
Speaker 1: you said, it's it's the finer things, but you might
20:00
Speaker 1: overindulge here there. Yeah, and if you use that word
20:03
Speaker 1: about yourself then you are probably pretty obnoxious. Yeah, it's
20:07
Speaker 1: people like you who are needed at parties for other
20:10
Speaker 1: people to avoid. But the word, once again from Greek epicure,
20:16
Speaker 1: came from the philosopher Epicurus, and people, if you don't
20:22
Speaker 1: know much about the root of the word, you probably
20:24
Speaker 1: think that his whole deal was about food, and that's
20:27
Speaker 1: not necessarily the case. But he was a a hedonist
20:30
Speaker 1: in there, right. Yeah, he was like one of the
20:31
Speaker 1: great hedonistic thinkers, but in the ancient Greek sense of
20:35
Speaker 1: the word. Right. So his whole his whole deal was
20:38
Speaker 1: at our axia, which was inner tranquility, and that you
20:42
Speaker 1: should pursue pleasure by just being content rather than going
20:47
Speaker 1: off and getting like wasted or eating a bunch or
20:50
Speaker 1: something like that. That and that if you did have desire,
20:53
Speaker 1: it was better to eliminate it than satisfy it. But
20:56
Speaker 1: it was. But if you did satisfy it, you should
20:58
Speaker 1: do it thoughtfully your mind. So really he was kind
21:01
Speaker 1: of the opposite of what people who consider themselves epicureans
21:05
Speaker 1: or Yeah, but also didn't he have a lot to
21:08
Speaker 1: say about following your own path when it comes to that.
21:13
Speaker 1: It's like it was very, very centered around the self.
21:15
Speaker 1: So you do whatever you whatever is best for you
21:19
Speaker 1: in the moment, and not necessarily what someone else thinks
21:22
Speaker 1: might be the best thing for you. Right. But again
21:24
Speaker 1: the point is his virtue um like value hedonism, like
21:29
Speaker 1: doing things that are actually good and that produced good
21:32
Speaker 1: rather than um, I'm going to shoot this heroin even
21:35
Speaker 1: though my my significant other doesn't want me to. That's
21:39
Speaker 1: that's not what it was about at all. It was moderation.
21:42
Speaker 1: You have to find what gives you pleasure in life
21:45
Speaker 1: rather than looking to other people, look inward to yourself. Right.
21:48
Speaker 1: But yeah, moderation was a huge part of it. Yeah,
21:50
Speaker 1: And what I couldn't find and that was the case
21:52
Speaker 1: with a few of these is where it got all
21:54
Speaker 1: wrapped up in food. I couldn't either, Um, I think
21:58
Speaker 1: it was people like food. So we just sort of yeah,
22:03
Speaker 1: that's all I can think of. I couldn't find. I
22:05
Speaker 1: was really hoping that there was like a turning point
22:08
Speaker 1: where it was like, this is where it happened. And
22:10
Speaker 1: there are a few places where I couldn't find that
22:12
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It's just not out there, is lost
22:15
Speaker 1: to history. All right, So we're disappointed. So we're going
22:17
Speaker 1: to take a break, go put our heads together, pull
22:20
Speaker 1: ourselves together, and turn our attitude around. We'll be right back.
22:51
Speaker 1: All right, we're back. We're gonna stick around in ancient
22:53
Speaker 1: grease for a little while long. Why not? I mean
22:56
Speaker 1: they've produced a lot of misused words. Frankenstin's all open here?
23:00
Speaker 1: Do you like frankinsense? I don't even know what it is.
23:03
Speaker 1: It's a it's a resin based incense. Yeah, I don't.
23:08
Speaker 1: I don't think Have you smelled it? Sure? Yeah? I
23:10
Speaker 1: mean I was raised Catholic? Oh is that a Is
23:13
Speaker 1: that a thing? Have you ever been to a Catholic mass?
23:15
Speaker 1: M Nope? So there they'll go through with like this
23:19
Speaker 1: big incense burner and just stink up the whole church
23:22
Speaker 1: with frankinsense. I've seen that in movies and they're well,
23:25
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing, is burning frankinsense, and it's actually
23:27
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good smell. Now, the only Catholic jams I've
23:31
Speaker 1: been involved in were sadly a couple well wine tastings now,
23:36
Speaker 1: a funeral, uh, and a wedding or two maybe maybe four, Well,
23:42
Speaker 1: it seemed like four four weddings and that was close. Uh.
23:48
Speaker 1: So cynic is the word? Did you already say that? No?
23:51
Speaker 1: I didn't, Okay, cynec is the word, and this is one.
23:55
Speaker 1: I kind of like this word as we use it
23:57
Speaker 1: today because I try to abandon cynicism in my own
24:02
Speaker 1: life and I'm pretty turned off by cynicism as a whole, okay,
24:07
Speaker 1: which means in our usage is like a cynic to
24:13
Speaker 1: me is someone who's uh, who's always suspicious, suspicious of
24:22
Speaker 1: what's going on, Like yeah, like that person is doing
24:26
Speaker 1: something seemingly pure, but um cynical, So I wonder what
24:29
Speaker 1: that's all about. It can't be true. I saw a
24:32
Speaker 1: great um definition of cynicism and the modern usage a
24:36
Speaker 1: cynic as a person whose faded belief or kurdled trust
24:41
Speaker 1: had left him unfit for attachment to others. That's a
24:45
Speaker 1: like a that's a deep cynic definition. Yeah, that's pretty heavy,
24:50
Speaker 1: but yeah, it can be a little lighter than that.
24:52
Speaker 1: It could just be somebody who's not willing to just
24:54
Speaker 1: kind of go with the flow and take things at
24:56
Speaker 1: face value and be happy about things. Trust other people. Yeah, trust,
25:01
Speaker 1: I think has a lot to do with it, right, agreed.
25:03
Speaker 1: So this is one of those words I actually kind
25:05
Speaker 1: of found where this one turns, which we'll get to
25:07
Speaker 1: in a second, But it's based on so cynicism again
25:11
Speaker 1: is a is an ancient Greek philosophy, and the cynics
25:14
Speaker 1: were not like the hedonists at all. They actually thought
25:17
Speaker 1: that pleasure was to be avoided, that if you're going
25:19
Speaker 1: to lead a virtuous life, you basically need to needed
25:22
Speaker 1: to be um, take a vowid poverty, um issue any
25:27
Speaker 1: comforts or pleasures, just basically be a bit of a jackass.
25:31
Speaker 1: Really kind of the idea of like, you know, the
25:35
Speaker 1: guys who like walk around and whip themselves self flagellation, right,
25:40
Speaker 1: that would have been a very cynical thing to do.
25:42
Speaker 1: In the original sense of the term. Yeah, and our
25:45
Speaker 1: own article brings up this guy. Apparently he was a
25:48
Speaker 1: pretty notable cynic diogenous. I think diogenes diogenes of sinope.
25:55
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's sinope or signope. I bet
25:57
Speaker 1: a snope. Okay, we'll go with that. Sounds nice, So
26:01
Speaker 1: diogenesis connected dianetics of Elrond Hover. Uh he was. He
26:08
Speaker 1: was one of these guys that would, uh and they
26:10
Speaker 1: the example he's in here. He would he would go
26:12
Speaker 1: barefoot in the cold weather just to like acclimate his body,
26:17
Speaker 1: and his friends would just watch with their arms crossed
26:19
Speaker 1: and shake their head like what. Yeah. But he would
26:21
Speaker 1: also bark at them right and said that you need
26:23
Speaker 1: to be doing this stuff like you and your luxurious
26:26
Speaker 1: things need to be more like me. You like that wine,
26:29
Speaker 1: You're a loser for drinking that wine. You're a loser
26:32
Speaker 1: for enjoying it. That was his thing. Yeah, you should
26:34
Speaker 1: be a cynic, right, And he was definitely not one
26:37
Speaker 1: of those go along and get along types. Right. Doesn't
26:40
Speaker 1: sound like it, So maybe that is a little bit
26:42
Speaker 1: where it evolved from it. Certainly, he certainly seems to
26:45
Speaker 1: have taken cynicism to the extreme. One of the one
26:49
Speaker 1: of the legends of this of cynicism is that, um,
26:53
Speaker 1: he was at a banquet once and he was I think,
26:55
Speaker 1: kind of telling everybody what jerks they were for enjoying themselves.
26:59
Speaker 1: No idea who invited this guy, but they yeah, but
27:03
Speaker 1: they threw bones at him like he was a dog,
27:06
Speaker 1: like here, eat these bones, enjoy yourself for once. Uh
27:10
Speaker 1: maybe they were saying, I'm just paraphrasing, but um he said,
27:14
Speaker 1: all right, I'll show you I think your bones and
27:16
Speaker 1: hempeate on them. Which this whole thing is just taken
27:21
Speaker 1: like a violent, weird turn violent. And we still haven't
27:25
Speaker 1: gotten to the root of where cynicism came to be understood,
27:30
Speaker 1: as as how we how we use it today. The
27:34
Speaker 1: best I could find was that it lies in the
27:37
Speaker 1: eighteenth century with Russo, who was a critic of the Enlightenment,
27:42
Speaker 1: who was, from what I understand, the embodiment of modern cynicism.
27:47
Speaker 1: He couldn't just trust that the Enlightenment and rationalism were
27:50
Speaker 1: the way to go and that it led to good things.
27:53
Speaker 1: He's a huge vociferous critic of the Enlightenment, and I
27:58
Speaker 1: think was either self labeled the cynic or label the cynic,
28:01
Speaker 1: and that was the modern use of the word. Haven't
28:04
Speaker 1: seen it everywhere, but that's the closest I've found man
28:07
Speaker 1: ancient Greece. How'd you like to hang around there for
28:10
Speaker 1: like a week. I don't know that I would. It
28:14
Speaker 1: just seems like such a crazy time, and that all
28:18
Speaker 1: these deep thinkers and philosophers and then hey, let's go
28:25
Speaker 1: he's fourteen people in a room with some farm animals
28:28
Speaker 1: and some feathers, and see what kind of party we
28:30
Speaker 1: can have. Yeah, I mean, I guess I want to
28:33
Speaker 1: take that back if I ever got the opportunity to
28:35
Speaker 1: travel anywhere in time for a week. Since I mentioned
28:38
Speaker 1: the farm animals, you're like, I hadn't thought about the
28:41
Speaker 1: farm animals. It just seems like a really crazy time
28:44
Speaker 1: in our history for man, almost like it's like it
28:47
Speaker 1: took place on a different planet. Yeah, you might as
28:50
Speaker 1: well have been, like Asian Greece is on Pluto. Actually, yeah,
28:53
Speaker 1: but so many things, I mean, and that's what I think,
28:55
Speaker 1: thinking about like the arts and sciences and mathematics is
28:59
Speaker 1: just like what weird amazing time. So we're gonna go fat,
29:04
Speaker 1: We're gonna fast forward a little bit in history so
29:07
Speaker 1: far we've generally been hanging out in the uh fourth, third,
29:13
Speaker 1: second century BC. Here, we'll take a few hundred years. Now,
29:18
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to the nineteenth century, right, We're gonna
29:21
Speaker 1: go to Um the Antibellum South, which is where, surprisingly,
29:26
Speaker 1: the term cakewalk came from. Yeah, and this was remember
29:30
Speaker 1: when we used to blog. Yes, this is a blog post.
29:34
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you that because you wrote
29:35
Speaker 1: it and then send it to me yesterday. But I'm
29:39
Speaker 1: telling everyone else out there. We used to blog like
29:42
Speaker 1: everyone else did in the early two thousands. And uh,
29:46
Speaker 1: this is one of Josh's post And I had no
29:49
Speaker 1: idea did you read the blog post that I wrote?
29:52
Speaker 1: The Sorry, but this had has weird racist roots. When
29:59
Speaker 1: you hear term cake walk, everyone uses it now to
30:01
Speaker 1: say something that's super easy to do, absurdly easy. Yeah,
30:05
Speaker 1: that was a cake walk, Like you just basically show
30:07
Speaker 1: up and you you win the pride. It's a cake walk. Right.
30:11
Speaker 1: It turns out that that's actually extremely denigrating to um
30:15
Speaker 1: anti bellum slaves in the nineteenth century because cake walks
30:20
Speaker 1: used to be an actual thing. Yeah, this is distressing
30:25
Speaker 1: and weird to me, it really is, and especially that
30:28
Speaker 1: you can trace the evolution of the word for once. Yeah. Alright,
30:32
Speaker 1: So here's what would happen on a plantation and how
30:36
Speaker 1: often did this happen. I would guess it was annual.
30:38
Speaker 1: It seems like something like that. So let's just say
30:41
Speaker 1: once a year every so often at the plantation, the
30:47
Speaker 1: white folks would get together and they would throw a
30:49
Speaker 1: big ball, like they would throw for themselves, but they
30:53
Speaker 1: would have the slaves played the part of the white people,
30:57
Speaker 1: and actually it was a ball for the slaves. Yeah,
31:01
Speaker 1: but it wasn't you know, like here, let me reward
31:03
Speaker 1: you with something nice. It's hey, dress up as us,
31:07
Speaker 1: and we'll all sit back and laugh at how you
31:10
Speaker 1: think we are right, and you do your best impression
31:13
Speaker 1: of of slave master and kind of entertain us right
31:18
Speaker 1: in a mocking, jeering way. Like have you heard of
31:22
Speaker 1: I know you have Saturnalia, which is like again a
31:25
Speaker 1: Greek I believe it was Greek maybe roman Um, this
31:29
Speaker 1: festival where social conventions were turned upside out and the
31:33
Speaker 1: masters became the servants and the servants became the masters
31:36
Speaker 1: for like a day, and the whole point of this
31:38
Speaker 1: was culturally socially that had actually reinforced social norms, because yes,
31:46
Speaker 1: these slaves in Saturnalia and then the slaves at the
31:49
Speaker 1: cakewalk were mocking the social conventions that they had to
31:54
Speaker 1: live in the other three hundred and sixty four days
31:56
Speaker 1: a year, but they were doing it within a socially
32:00
Speaker 1: prescribed framework that was really overseen by the people in charge.
32:06
Speaker 1: So yes, they were forced to do it, but they
32:08
Speaker 1: were allowed to do it, I think, is you know so,
32:12
Speaker 1: so actually in a really weird roundabout but very very
32:16
Speaker 1: real way, reinforce the social norms that that kept slavery afloat. Yeah,
32:22
Speaker 1: and I don't think we mentioned the reason cake comes
32:24
Speaker 1: into it to begin with is whichever couple uh in
32:29
Speaker 1: the cake walk did the best job and was able
32:32
Speaker 1: to mimic the white people the best got a cake
32:36
Speaker 1: as a as a prize. So the cake walk was
32:40
Speaker 1: an actual thing. And the story actually continues on a
32:45
Speaker 1: little further and it gets even worse to tell you
32:47
Speaker 1: the truth. Um, those cake walks they happened on plantations
32:52
Speaker 1: in the South, and so if you went to a
32:54
Speaker 1: cake walk, you were probably one of a very few
32:57
Speaker 1: number of people, especially outside of the South, who had
33:00
Speaker 1: been to one of these things. But the minstrel shows
33:03
Speaker 1: that led to the vaudeville shows in the nineteenth century.
33:07
Speaker 1: UM they would actually very frequently perform a cake walk,
33:12
Speaker 1: but the cake walks they did were basically making a
33:16
Speaker 1: mockery of even the mockery that the the slaves were undertaking. Right,
33:22
Speaker 1: So at the very least you could say of the
33:25
Speaker 1: cake walks that the real ones the slaves were most
33:30
Speaker 1: likely they meant the mockery that they were doing right.
33:33
Speaker 1: Even though they were allowed to mock it, they still
33:35
Speaker 1: meant it. The reason the minstrel shows were so horrible
33:39
Speaker 1: is that it was a cakewalk. It was a a
33:44
Speaker 1: staged version of a cake walk, making fun of the
33:47
Speaker 1: cake walks, so it even removed and robbed from the
33:50
Speaker 1: slaves that little bit of agency that the cake walks
33:53
Speaker 1: gave them because it was white minstrels in black face. Yes, right,
34:00
Speaker 1: so the but the the whole premise of the minstrel
34:04
Speaker 1: show version of the cake walk was not that the
34:07
Speaker 1: black slaves were mocking white society, but that they were
34:11
Speaker 1: actually doing this because they really wanted to emulate white society.
34:15
Speaker 1: But we're failing miserably at it. So it's a really
34:18
Speaker 1: despicable and disgusting change, conversion or perversion of the original intent,
34:24
Speaker 1: which is already pretty messed up to begin with, just
34:27
Speaker 1: just one of the many problems of minstrel shows. Right, So,
34:30
Speaker 1: the idea of cake walk, since more people saw minstrel
34:33
Speaker 1: shows than actually we're at a cake walk, this was
34:37
Speaker 1: the idea of the cake walk. So when people said
34:40
Speaker 1: this is a cake walk, the idea was that even
34:42
Speaker 1: if you were just clumsy and inept and could never
34:44
Speaker 1: hope to succeed at what you're trying to do, you
34:48
Speaker 1: could still win the cake That was the original usage
34:52
Speaker 1: of the word. So what I can't gather is is
34:55
Speaker 1: this a term now that like people just shouldn't use
34:58
Speaker 1: or has it changed such that it's not like a
35:01
Speaker 1: genuinely offensive thing. I don't know. I don't think there's
35:03
Speaker 1: too many people out there that take offense to it.
35:06
Speaker 1: But I wonder if that's because a lot of people
35:08
Speaker 1: don't know what the origins of the worlds are. Not
35:11
Speaker 1: many people probably know this. Who knows? But you can
35:14
Speaker 1: also make the case that the use of it today
35:17
Speaker 1: is actually agi because cake walks are normally found in
35:21
Speaker 1: nursing home. Really, yeah, I never heard that, And the
35:24
Speaker 1: the couple's promenade is replaced with musical chairs. And even
35:28
Speaker 1: even in even in these these competitions of musical chairs,
35:32
Speaker 1: everybody's still basically a winner. I wonder if piece of
35:34
Speaker 1: cake comes from cake walk. Yes it does. So that
35:38
Speaker 1: piece of cake interesting, I think we just covered it.
35:42
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm gonna start saying it was a total piece
35:46
Speaker 1: of pie. Right there you go, easy as pie. Well
35:49
Speaker 1: there you go. Where did that come from? Uh, it's
35:52
Speaker 1: probably somebody who knew what cake walk meant and wanted
35:54
Speaker 1: to change things a little. Or I wonder if that
35:56
Speaker 1: came from the fact that pie is generally easier than
35:59
Speaker 1: baking a cake. I don't know if that's true, is it?
36:03
Speaker 1: I think so, because there's not chemistry like you can
36:06
Speaker 1: bind some apples and cinnamon and stuff and throwing an oven.
36:09
Speaker 1: He got a pie. There's a pie maker just like
36:11
Speaker 1: through their iPod across the room, Like a pie is
36:14
Speaker 1: not gonna fall because you didn't put just the right
36:16
Speaker 1: amount of That's a good point. You know. There's no
36:19
Speaker 1: Lady Baltimore pile. I'll tell you that. I think what
36:22
Speaker 1: I'm saying is pie makers you need to step up
36:25
Speaker 1: your game. Try a cake. Try making a cake United
36:28
Speaker 1: take over. I love pie. We've had this talk. I
36:32
Speaker 1: like it all. I don't see any reason to to
36:35
Speaker 1: choose no, have both? Um, should we move on? Should
36:39
Speaker 1: we do Kafka esque? Yes? Sure, all right. So Franz Kafka,
36:45
Speaker 1: very famous writer. This is I did not know that
36:48
Speaker 1: a lot of most of his works were published after
36:51
Speaker 1: his death. I didn't know that either. But he had
36:54
Speaker 1: a knack for writing books. And I read The Metamorphosis
36:57
Speaker 1: in high school. But it feels like to his books
37:01
Speaker 1: had a central character that was going through some kind
37:04
Speaker 1: of like walking through molasses, some really hard struggle that
37:08
Speaker 1: they have no control over, probably have no hope of solving.
37:12
Speaker 1: And a lot of times it was a an I guess,
37:17
Speaker 1: an allegory for an oppressive government. Yeah, almost always right.
37:21
Speaker 1: So the person is being there, their forward progress of
37:27
Speaker 1: their life or whatever it is they're trying to do
37:29
Speaker 1: is either interrupted or um being opposed by some faceless,
37:34
Speaker 1: immutable yeah entity, typically in the form of like a
37:39
Speaker 1: government or an office or something like Yeah, like the
37:42
Speaker 1: movie the Terry Gilliam movie Brazil is probably accurately described
37:48
Speaker 1: as cough esque. I would guess that's absolutely right. But
37:51
Speaker 1: the Kafka, Um wrote, he's very well known for the
37:54
Speaker 1: Trial of the Metamorphosis. Um, but he wrote a lot
38:00
Speaker 1: of a lot of the different uses of kafka Esque
38:03
Speaker 1: actually work because they definitely touch upon some of his
38:07
Speaker 1: different work. Right. So one of the uses of kafka
38:09
Speaker 1: Esque that came into fashion supposedly in the nineteen sixties
38:13
Speaker 1: and Eastern Europe as the Iron Curtain fell. Um, well,
38:17
Speaker 1: the Iron curtain fell before that, but as as the
38:19
Speaker 1: the faceless centralized government bureaucracies like really kind of put
38:27
Speaker 1: their stamp on on the lives of all millions and
38:30
Speaker 1: millions of people. Apparently the word cough gaeste came into
38:33
Speaker 1: use then to kind of describe having to deal with
38:35
Speaker 1: these absurd bureaucracies that made zero sense but still could
38:40
Speaker 1: just shuffle you around for days on end if it
38:43
Speaker 1: wanted to. Yeah, And then the article uses a good
38:46
Speaker 1: example that it started getting misused and that somebody might
38:49
Speaker 1: say that they uh race to catch a bus and
38:54
Speaker 1: then got to the bus stop and they made this
38:56
Speaker 1: great effort to get there, but then they find out
38:59
Speaker 1: there's a bus driver's strike and said that that was
39:03
Speaker 1: kafka esk, when in fact that's just bad luck. It is.
39:06
Speaker 1: It's it's if that's the worst thing that happens to
39:09
Speaker 1: you that day, you're probably doing but just life. But
39:12
Speaker 1: that's not cough gask. No, it's not so um that that.
39:16
Speaker 1: But but that's not to say that there is a
39:18
Speaker 1: central definition of cough gask. It is a pretty wide um,
39:23
Speaker 1: widely defined, a multiply defined word. This guy does a
39:28
Speaker 1: good job of describing. And I thought it is an
39:31
Speaker 1: author named Frederick Carl with a K, and apparently in
39:34
Speaker 1: the New York Times he said this, what's kafka esque
39:39
Speaker 1: is when you enter a surreal world which all your
39:41
Speaker 1: control patterns, all your plans, the whole way in which
39:44
Speaker 1: you have configured your own behavior begins to fall to pieces.
39:48
Speaker 1: When you find yourself against a force that does not
39:50
Speaker 1: lend itself to the way you perceive the world. You
39:52
Speaker 1: don't give up, You don't lie down and die. What
39:55
Speaker 1: you do is struggle against this with all of your equipment,
39:58
Speaker 1: with whatever you have. But of course you don't stand
40:01
Speaker 1: a chance. That's tough, Gask, especially the last part two.
40:06
Speaker 1: It's like you don't stand a chance, but you still try,
40:09
Speaker 1: You still try, because yeah, what are you gonna do?
40:11
Speaker 1: Is just be like, Okay, well I guess I'll die.
40:14
Speaker 1: You still try to save yourself for to to to
40:17
Speaker 1: follow your self determination, but you're never going to win.
40:20
Speaker 1: You're doomed from the outset. That is super tough. Gask that.
40:25
Speaker 1: That dude, he was his biographer, so he's kind of
40:28
Speaker 1: an authority on him, right, you know, so doomed. In
40:31
Speaker 1: other words, you want to take one more break, Yeah,
40:35
Speaker 1: let's do it. Okay, we're doing that right now. All right, Chuck.
41:05
Speaker 1: Now it's time for one of my favorites on this list. Yes, blood,
41:09
Speaker 1: I got called this a few years ago by my
41:13
Speaker 1: friend Scotty Scott. Come on, this is more than a
41:16
Speaker 1: few years ago. But I'm ashamed to say I had
41:18
Speaker 1: never even heard the word I used it. Yeah, I
41:22
Speaker 1: can't remember what I was complaining about. Really, you hadn't
41:25
Speaker 1: heard the word ludite? Huh? Had never heard it? I
41:27
Speaker 1: mean this wasn't like six months ago. It's like five
41:29
Speaker 1: or six years ago. But he called me that. I
41:32
Speaker 1: think called me that, or maybe Emily did you go
41:34
Speaker 1: what I think? I was like, well, I'm no luddite,
41:37
Speaker 1: and then I like raced over and looked at him
41:41
Speaker 1: on my smartphone problem. Uh. Yeah, So people throw that
41:45
Speaker 1: word around to mean anyone who's anti technology basically, right, Yeah,
41:51
Speaker 1: a lot of people throw it out apparently. Um. Prince
41:54
Speaker 1: Charles railed against g m os famously he was called
41:58
Speaker 1: a ludite. I know France and UM just talk mad
42:02
Speaker 1: trash about Twitter. Yeah, I think on Twitter even I
42:06
Speaker 1: can't remember, but he was called a luddite. I don't
42:09
Speaker 1: remember how it played up, but I'm pretty sure it
42:11
Speaker 1: was on Twitter. Um. But yeah, any anybody who is like, um,
42:18
Speaker 1: like like we used I was just getting used to
42:21
Speaker 1: like Google docs, and all of a sudden, we're using
42:23
Speaker 1: base camp around here. And I think you called me
42:25
Speaker 1: a lot I didn't you or an old man one
42:27
Speaker 1: of the two. Non, okay, but you could have also
42:31
Speaker 1: said you're a luddite. The thing is is this is
42:34
Speaker 1: one of those words that has evolved to basically mean
42:37
Speaker 1: the exact same thing as a technophone, Right, somebody who's
42:40
Speaker 1: afraid of technology, either because they don't understand it or
42:44
Speaker 1: their words going to lead to the end of the world,
42:47
Speaker 1: whatever the reason. New technology makes you nervous, Right. That
42:53
Speaker 1: is such a generally accepted definition of this word that
42:57
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes. It is um. It is
43:01
Speaker 1: the definition of blood. The thing is is, if you
43:04
Speaker 1: dig back in history, is totally wrong. Yeah Bloodyes, were
43:08
Speaker 1: people from ancient Greece. They were they were from Nottinghamshire.
43:17
Speaker 1: I love that word England and they were weavers. So
43:21
Speaker 1: what was beginning to happen and you can see how
43:23
Speaker 1: it got its roots here is automated looms came around
43:26
Speaker 1: the early nineteenth century during the Industrial Revolution, and they
43:30
Speaker 1: were like, wait a minute, this puts our jobs at risk,
43:34
Speaker 1: so we're not gonna take it. Like twisted sisters will
43:38
Speaker 1: eventually say we're not gonna take it, and they would
43:40
Speaker 1: go like, trash these looms. And they named themselves real
43:45
Speaker 1: they took the name or they were they were named.
43:46
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how it panned out, but they were
43:48
Speaker 1: called Bloodites because decades before, and I think seventeen seventy nine,
43:53
Speaker 1: a guy in the same area named Ned Blood had
43:56
Speaker 1: trashed like asie hose reframe yeah, ned lud too many
44:02
Speaker 1: too many d's and too few other letters. Um. He
44:05
Speaker 1: trashed to hosiery frame and became kind of a hero,
44:09
Speaker 1: working class hero for doing that. And the thing is is, yeah,
44:13
Speaker 1: you can get the idea that these people were afraid
44:15
Speaker 1: of these automated looms, and it was they were really
44:18
Speaker 1: afraid of technology. No, that is has zero to do
44:22
Speaker 1: with it. It turns out that looms had been in
44:26
Speaker 1: use for hundreds of years already. This is not really
44:28
Speaker 1: new technology, which is a kind of an ironic thing
44:31
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. What they were were it was
44:35
Speaker 1: class warfare is what they're engaged in, not anti technology.
44:39
Speaker 1: Um terrorism, Yeah, they were. They wanted to keep their jobs. Uh,
44:44
Speaker 1: there was a ban on trade unions, so they had
44:47
Speaker 1: no well, let's say they had no choice. They felt
44:49
Speaker 1: like they had no choice rather than to go out
44:51
Speaker 1: and riot and trash these looms. Um. But they they
44:57
Speaker 1: they used all sorts of technology to do so. Well.
45:00
Speaker 1: I saw that the the to these people, to the Latites,
45:03
Speaker 1: the looms were they symbolized the concentration of wealth because
45:08
Speaker 1: they didn't own the looms. Somebody they worked for own
45:11
Speaker 1: the looms, and that they weren't seeing anything from They
45:15
Speaker 1: weren't reaping any benefits from these looms. So when they
45:18
Speaker 1: were destroying a loom, they were striking at the loom owner,
45:21
Speaker 1: this this wealthy person, which is why it was such
45:23
Speaker 1: class warfare rather than anti technology rioting. Yeah, and that
45:27
Speaker 1: wasn't I think until the nineteen seventies that bloodite became
45:31
Speaker 1: kind of the more modern usage. Is that right? So
45:34
Speaker 1: I found so this this thing the seven says the seventies.
45:37
Speaker 1: There's actually an article in New Scientists that used the
45:40
Speaker 1: word in nineteen seventy. But apparently there was a famous
45:43
Speaker 1: essay called the Two Cultures by a scientist named CP.
45:48
Speaker 1: Snow and he basically said, we have a problem here
45:52
Speaker 1: because literary intellectuals and scientific intellectuals are beginning to diverge,
45:56
Speaker 1: and you literary intellectuals, you guys are basically nothing more
46:00
Speaker 1: than luddites. This is nineteen fifty three, and I think
46:03
Speaker 1: he might have been the first person to use it
46:05
Speaker 1: to mean technophobes or in this case, I think he
46:10
Speaker 1: was saying, like, you don't understand what the importance of
46:12
Speaker 1: the industrial revolution. Two people sat on that for seventeen years,
46:17
Speaker 1: and then New Science is like, the time is the right,
46:19
Speaker 1: let's bring it back, all right. That's a good one.
46:22
Speaker 1: That's that's my favorite. These are kind of like I
46:26
Speaker 1: think a few of these you can throw around your
46:27
Speaker 1: next dinner party and either make people think you're interesting
46:33
Speaker 1: or that you're an obnoxious jerk. It depends on how
46:35
Speaker 1: you present it. Agreed. You know, so what else we
46:39
Speaker 1: got here? I don't know. You want to do two
46:41
Speaker 1: or one? Let's do well, let's definitely do nim Rod.
46:43
Speaker 1: How about that Nimrod. This one confuses me because that
46:48
Speaker 1: Pixie song Nimrod's son. Oh yeah, so Nimrod actually did
46:53
Speaker 1: marry his mother. He had a mother wife for a queen,
46:57
Speaker 1: but he was That's not what he was known for.
47:00
Speaker 1: No that was a real Nimrod in the Bible, and
47:03
Speaker 1: Nimrod was if you've ever heard of Noah from the Bible,
47:06
Speaker 1: this Noah was the great grandfather of Nimrod. So he
47:11
Speaker 1: had quite a pedigree. He was Ham's son Ham. Yeah,
47:15
Speaker 1: if we don't use that as a first name enough
47:17
Speaker 1: these days. Yeah, here it is a last name occasionally,
47:20
Speaker 1: but John Ham. Yeah, with two m's, but you never
47:24
Speaker 1: hear like, hey, I'm Ham Johnson, good to meet you.
47:27
Speaker 1: That would be a great name for a sportscaster or
47:29
Speaker 1: a weather person. Ham Johnson casters the Ham Cast with
47:33
Speaker 1: Ham Clark and Ham Bryant. That's not bad, that's good.
47:36
Speaker 1: That's our spinoff idea and we threw around that word
47:39
Speaker 1: a lot in our ham Radio podcast because they're called hams.
47:42
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what our ham Cast could be about, how
47:45
Speaker 1: nice ham radio operators are as well as bad comedy. Right,
47:52
Speaker 1: and then every once while we review a ham that
47:54
Speaker 1: we eat on air. Dude just figured it out. Look
47:57
Speaker 1: at that, I mean you predicted shark Nato. Alright, The
48:00
Speaker 1: ham Cast coming soon iTunes where if you get your podcasts.
48:05
Speaker 1: Somb his hams Son. He is a biblical figure. He
48:09
Speaker 1: was very well known as the founder of Babylon. Yes,
48:13
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. I'm not much of a Bible
48:15
Speaker 1: scholar myself. No, not really, um, but he was. He
48:20
Speaker 1: was the founder of Babylon and one of the big
48:22
Speaker 1: features of Babylon was the Tower of Babel. Yes, this
48:25
Speaker 1: one I did know about. Yeah, the Tower of Babel
48:28
Speaker 1: is what he was credited with constructing, and that was
48:32
Speaker 1: a structure on top of a temple with the idea
48:35
Speaker 1: that you could reach God ultimately and destroy God and
48:40
Speaker 1: push him around. Yeah. So not a good thing for
48:44
Speaker 1: ancient Christians. No, So God was like, um, I can
48:48
Speaker 1: kind of see into the future, so I'm not gonna
48:50
Speaker 1: let that happen. And he goes um different languages, she's am,
48:56
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, the people who are building
48:58
Speaker 1: and constructing this tower Babbel can no longer speak to
49:01
Speaker 1: one another because they all speak different languages. And this
49:04
Speaker 1: is supposedly the origin story of different languages, foreign languages
49:08
Speaker 1: in the world. So everybody, since they couldn't really communicate
49:11
Speaker 1: with one another, went off their separate ways. And this
49:14
Speaker 1: is another one where they don't know for sure where
49:19
Speaker 1: it made the switch eventually to be like a dumb
49:21
Speaker 1: dumb but I think this Bugs Bunny. I think this
49:24
Speaker 1: holds water. It definitely has some legs. It tracks, uh
49:28
Speaker 1: Looney Tunes. Bugs Bunny nineteen forties, shout out to our
49:33
Speaker 1: friend Jessica. Oh yeah, whose grandfather was Noah? Was Chuck Jones?
49:40
Speaker 1: That's right? Greater so, uh, Bugs Bunny. In one of
49:44
Speaker 1: the Elmer Fud episodes, who was a hunter? Um called
49:49
Speaker 1: him Nimrod in an episode, And I don't think we
49:52
Speaker 1: said Nimrod was known as a great hunter. Yeah, I
49:54
Speaker 1: guess that the irony was lost then, right, Yeah, They're like,
49:59
Speaker 1: I get it it. Yeah, So I don't know if
50:01
Speaker 1: they put Nimrod in there, because Nimrod was a great
50:04
Speaker 1: hunter if it just worked out that way. But it
50:06
Speaker 1: had to have been had to mean because that was
50:08
Speaker 1: the thing that was Fudd's whole thing. He was just
50:12
Speaker 1: terrible at hunting, but that's what he was always doing,
50:14
Speaker 1: was hunting, right, So we called him a nimrod, right,
50:16
Speaker 1: and I saw that it became into use of slang
50:19
Speaker 1: among teenagers in three. Yeah, that seems about right, does
50:24
Speaker 1: it really? Oh it feels like a very eighties I
50:26
Speaker 1: heard that a lot growing up. Really to me, it
50:28
Speaker 1: seems really square in like fifties. Oh no, I'm thinking like, yeah,
50:34
Speaker 1: I hear Nimrod and I think grody to the max
50:37
Speaker 1: and like pop callers and the cost alligators. Did you
50:40
Speaker 1: ever pop your collar? Sure? I always I never felt
50:44
Speaker 1: like I could pull it off. That was a bit
50:45
Speaker 1: of a prep I was too, but I just I
50:47
Speaker 1: don't know it. Never I tried it. I looked at
50:50
Speaker 1: myself in the mirror a lot. Well that's the key.
50:54
Speaker 1: He's popped the collar and go out the door. Yeah,
50:56
Speaker 1: I didn't have that kind of collar. Still, don't you
50:58
Speaker 1: get the get done with your flow, be cut poper
51:00
Speaker 1: collar and go Yeah. Yeah, as the other confidence, it's
51:04
Speaker 1: just foolishness. I was thinking the other day, how I
51:07
Speaker 1: haven't touched a hair brush since like seven or eight.
51:13
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I literally have not put a brush or
51:15
Speaker 1: comb in my hair. Did you have one of those
51:17
Speaker 1: Goodies tortoise shell brushes from the eighties? Remember those? Now
51:21
Speaker 1: I had a Goodies and it wasn't tortoise shell, but
51:23
Speaker 1: I think it's probably the same thing where yeah it
51:27
Speaker 1: had it been, or the burnout come where you had
51:30
Speaker 1: it sticking out of your back pocket and every I'd
51:32
Speaker 1: never really used combs. I was a brush guy, but
51:35
Speaker 1: to get my wings down. But ever since high school
51:39
Speaker 1: is I've just been a finger comer? Yeah? Same here
51:42
Speaker 1: these these these five fingers. Yeah, to get out of
51:46
Speaker 1: the shower, just gonna spike the hair up and it
51:49
Speaker 1: stays there. Yeah, it's nice. It's very lucky. You don't
51:52
Speaker 1: use product. No, man, that's insane. Are you kidding? Man?
51:57
Speaker 1: My hair won't stand up. It's just limp and lifeless.
52:00
Speaker 1: Well minus too. I don't wash my hair much. How
52:02
Speaker 1: often do you wash your hair every day? Oh, well
52:04
Speaker 1: that's your problem. Well, there's your problem. Here's your problem.
52:08
Speaker 1: Get a little get a little little funk build up.
52:10
Speaker 1: I need a little funk. I guess product is natural funk.
52:13
Speaker 1: Go party with some farm animals. And I think that
52:15
Speaker 1: was a George Clinton album. My product is natural funk.
52:18
Speaker 1: It's nice. Should have been, it's it definitely should have been.
52:20
Speaker 1: And now because of the Sharknado thing again, that's his
52:24
Speaker 1: comeback album. Uh, you got anything else? Well, if you
52:29
Speaker 1: want to know more about George Clinton, you can type
52:31
Speaker 1: his name into the search part house to works dot
52:33
Speaker 1: com and it'll bring up something. And since I said's something,
52:36
Speaker 1: it's time for listening to mail. I'm gonna call this
52:41
Speaker 1: vaping backlash. Oh yeah, we're hearing about it. Yeah, it's
52:45
Speaker 1: nice to hear the vapors stand up and be like, hey, dudes,
52:48
Speaker 1: to heck with you. Yeah. So, in retrospect, I think
52:52
Speaker 1: we kind of made fun of them a little too much. Think, yeah,
52:57
Speaker 1: in retrospect. Sure, so this is from Peter, So this
53:01
Speaker 1: is a mea culpa? Then, well sort of. Hey, guys,
53:04
Speaker 1: usually enjoy your work, which is that's always a great start.
53:09
Speaker 1: But the vaping episode, come on, guys, the whole episode
53:11
Speaker 1: reeked of mockery and belittled all vapors, even the ones
53:14
Speaker 1: who are simply using it. As a harm reduction method
53:17
Speaker 1: or to quit smoking. I'm fifty one and use the
53:19
Speaker 1: cigrettes to quit smoking instantly and permanently. Mind you, about
53:23
Speaker 1: eight years ago. It's the only thing that worked for me.
53:26
Speaker 1: All I can do all day is puff flat fat clouds.
53:29
Speaker 1: Your research was seriously lacking in this one. You would
53:32
Speaker 1: have been much more informed if you actually talked to
53:34
Speaker 1: a vaping advocate. I I wanna. I want to interject here.
53:37
Speaker 1: Our research is not at all lacking. We did a
53:40
Speaker 1: ton of research for this episode. Please go on. Well,
53:44
Speaker 1: we tried to get in touch with vapors, but they
53:45
Speaker 1: are all out on the sidewalk blocking backglouds or at
53:49
Speaker 1: least someone on the local scene. Guys from this century, preferably,
53:54
Speaker 1: things have come a long way in the last ten years.
53:56
Speaker 1: Some of the facts he uses in quotes you were
53:59
Speaker 1: citing based on seriously flawed research. For example, the vapor
54:03
Speaker 1: vaporized metals particles portion was brand new. Nobody, nobody, he says,
54:09
Speaker 1: would vape at the temperatures needed to replicate that in
54:11
Speaker 1: the real world. Um, but as usual, people see the
54:15
Speaker 1: headline and don't dig deeper. Uh. This guy is starting
54:19
Speaker 1: to really upset me to really. Yeah, we've researched just
54:25
Speaker 1: as much as we ever do. Buddy, what's this guy's name.
54:28
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Okay, we did get called out.
54:32
Speaker 1: A couple of other people said that those temperatures, like,
54:34
Speaker 1: you don't vape at those temperatures. No, but you can
54:36
Speaker 1: and some people do. And I, if I remember correctly,
54:40
Speaker 1: the leaching metals thing was not about temperatures. It was
54:44
Speaker 1: about the newness of the coil. Okay, I feel like
54:48
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm refereeing, uh calling people stupid and dummies
54:53
Speaker 1: for vaping at zero nicotine levels. Smack my head. There's
54:56
Speaker 1: more to cigarette addiction than the nicotine issue. I think
55:00
Speaker 1: aping could potentially eradicate smokers from our society the very
55:03
Speaker 1: least safe, thousands of lives and millions of dollars in
55:05
Speaker 1: medical and pharma. To paint it all with the idiotic
55:08
Speaker 1: foolishness brush is playing wrong in a real disservice to
55:12
Speaker 1: your audience. I'm pretty piste off. As you can tell.
55:16
Speaker 1: There are only I'm sorry, sure, there are people who
55:19
Speaker 1: vape that make us all look silly, but man, this
55:22
Speaker 1: is the only smoking cessation method that works for many people.
55:26
Speaker 1: You just turned a lot of people away from it
55:28
Speaker 1: who could really benefit possibly not die disappointed listener here
55:32
Speaker 1: that it's from Peter Joett in Vancouver. Peter, Peter, I
55:37
Speaker 1: will totally agree with you. Our mockery was way over
55:43
Speaker 1: and be above and beyond. We yucky. Um, totally for sure,
55:47
Speaker 1: and I apologize. I want to make a couple points here.
55:50
Speaker 1: We definitely definitely did our research. We don't just phone
55:53
Speaker 1: episodes and it doesn't matter what we think of the topic. Yeah,
55:56
Speaker 1: we still do our research. And then secondly, I really
56:01
Speaker 1: don't feel like we turned people off of vaping and
56:04
Speaker 1: onto tobacco, because if I remember correctly, we definitely made
56:08
Speaker 1: it clear that you were even dumber if you smoke tobacco.
56:11
Speaker 1: The tobacco was far, far worse. I think the whole
56:14
Speaker 1: point of that episode was that vaping was not necessarily
56:18
Speaker 1: as good for you as it's been portrayed in the
56:21
Speaker 1: same media that you railed against earlier. I would agree
56:24
Speaker 1: with that. I don't think we I think we po
56:26
Speaker 1: po all forms of nicotine and definitely did there you go.
56:31
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're using it to get off
56:33
Speaker 1: of tobacco, that's great. Step two is getting off of
56:36
Speaker 1: the baking. Uh. Well, if you're like Peter and you're
56:39
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56:42
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