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132: Raising Arizona Fest · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: All right we're here at the ringer tough we.
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  Speaker 2: Need to uh.
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  Speaker 3: Discuss this at any great length?
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  Speaker 4: Do we need to discuss the ringer toss? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's the kind of thing you might have to see.
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  Speaker 7: It is intended for mature audiences and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 8: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 9: What do you think they do there?
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  Speaker 10: They don't drink milkshakes, I assure you.
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  Speaker 4: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian. I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 11: I'm Marlena.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 12: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 3: Alright, and we are coming to you live via digital recording,
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  Speaker 3: but literally we are live in the parking lot of
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  Speaker 3: the bowling alley from Lebowski Fest.
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  Speaker 4: So... Yeah, we wandered around. Do we have comments about
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  Speaker 4: Lebowski so far?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we saw some of the activities. They had some games.
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  Speaker 2: They had a game where they bounce a blow-up doll
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  Speaker 2: on a sheet over a line and catch it again.
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  Speaker 2: And everybody I saw do that did it well. The
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  Speaker 2: marmot toss also looked doable. The bowling ball from the
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  Speaker 2: car to hit a mannequin of a nihilist that was
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  Speaker 2: impossible everybody kept missing that until one guy just nailed
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  Speaker 2: it and I got it on film.
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  Speaker 3: I think they refer to that as the ringer toss
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  Speaker 3: yes the ringer toss and it is pretty impressive to
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  Speaker 3: watch when that one guy hits it everybody else goes
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  Speaker 3: oh that was way off but.
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  Speaker 13: Then that guy nailed it and one guy sort of
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  Speaker 13: like tapped it at the base and it was like
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  Speaker 13: yay because you know nobody was anywhere near but you
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  Speaker 13: were like okay somebody got it but this one guy
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  Speaker 13: gets in there Boom!
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  Speaker 2: He must, like, practice that in his backyard or something.
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  Speaker 3: He probably does have a Lebowski car sitting in his...
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  Speaker 3: If not, he can win this one in parking.
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  Speaker 2: This is the one time in his life when that skill,
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  Speaker 2: you know, was like.
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  Speaker 4: Finally!
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And he won a box of Snap-N-Pops, by the way. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: That's your big prize.
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  Speaker 3: It is for charity, so.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought when they won, they got all the
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  Speaker 2: money that would go to charity.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was way funnier. I was kind of
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  Speaker 4: hoping they were doing that. Screw you sick children. I
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  Speaker 4: hit the ringer. Fuck you. Maybe they'll try that next year. Alright,
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  Speaker 4: any other Lebowski goings-on for the moment?
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  Speaker 11: People are getting very liberal with the costume ideas.
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  Speaker 2: I like seeing the people walking around who look like
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  Speaker 2: they're dressed up as something, but you don't know what
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  Speaker 2: it is. I guess they're just people who, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Come to Lebowski Fest.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They look like somebody. They look like somebody extra.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Me too.
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  Speaker 4: We came dressed as dorks, don't we?
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, you're right.
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  Speaker 4: At least three-fifths of us, anyway. You guys are fine
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  Speaker 4: in the middle there, but.
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  Speaker 3: The rest of us are all wearing dorky Movie Geek t-shirts,
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  Speaker 3: most of which say Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 11: I'm sure this has been covered before, but I just
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  Speaker 11: don't understand when, like... Why isn't there a Raising Arizona Fest?
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  Speaker 4: I've wondered that when this took off that first year.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the thing. It's awesome, and it's amazing
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  Speaker 4: how much of a following it's built up.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that it's going around to different cities across
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  Speaker 3: the country.
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  Speaker 11: It's like everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, across the country.
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  Speaker 14: I think it's just because there's a tie-in with an event.
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  Speaker 14: Like the bowling, I think, is the thing that makes it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've ran a Blood Simple Fest for a few years, but...
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  Speaker 2: It was very somber and not very well attended. I
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  Speaker 2: ran a Raising Arizona Fest where we stole babies. Didn't
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  Speaker 2: work too well.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, that makes sense, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Every day I run a Man Who Wasn't There Fest.
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  Speaker 1: Every day. I think that closed out that.
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  Speaker 4: Portion of the discussion.
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  Speaker 15: Alrighty.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I've kind of wondered. It's funny how this
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  Speaker 3: one just took off about one random movie. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's amazing how the following has... grown and we are
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  Speaker 3: now in the 10th annual this is the 10th anniversary
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  Speaker 3: for the initial and we are the birthplace here in
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  Speaker 3: louisville we have to at least claim that we we
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  Speaker 3: don't have much damn it but you.
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  Speaker 1: Know fried chicken.
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  Speaker 3: Fried chicken baseball bats lebowski fest that's really all we
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  Speaker 3: got you.
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  Speaker 11: Know i feel like there's one other thing in that
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  Speaker 11: list now but.
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  Speaker 1: Booze bourbon yeah horses.
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  Speaker 11: Horses hey we've got a lot going for us we.
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  Speaker 3: Did get nuked and but we did get nuked that's
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  Speaker 3: right turn of the living dead oh yeah that's right
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  Speaker 3: I brought that up last time zombies so yeah um
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  Speaker 3: other than that I guess.
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  Speaker 4: We can still continue on in our normal dorky.
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  Speaker 3: Fashion um just to cut it down a little bit
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  Speaker 3: and cause just about everything I've done this week is
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  Speaker 3: in preparation for this or upcoming episodes so I'm just
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  Speaker 3: gonna bypass mine and let you guys have your geek
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  Speaker 3: activities so Greg were you first on the rundown.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow okay So I did probably, I passed on
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  Speaker 1: a geek activity to my child.
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  Speaker 4: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. About two weeks ago, I decided my seven-year-old was
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  Speaker 1: old enough to start reading the Harry Potter series, at
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  Speaker 1: least the first book. So we read through it together,
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  Speaker 1: and she loved it. She would, you know, lay in
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  Speaker 1: bed at night afterwards, and her only books so far
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  Speaker 1: have been, like, the puppies at the pound that get,
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  Speaker 1: and nothing exciting happening or anything like that. Or no
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  Speaker 1: mystery involved or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: Adventure.
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  Speaker 1: And this just really opened her eyes. And now she
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  Speaker 1: wants to read anything she can get her hands on.
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  Speaker 4: You've made a nerd. Way to go. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right. She was a little intimidated by a few chapters.
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  Speaker 1: I think it is a little scary. And then last
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  Speaker 1: night we watched.
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  Speaker 1: The Sorcerer's Stone the first time. And I can report
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  Speaker 1: this morning, they were up, and she's the oldest of
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  Speaker 1: all the neighbor kids. There were four kids running around
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  Speaker 1: the cul-de-sac with brooms between their legs. They were pretending
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  Speaker 1: like they were Harry Potter. So, yeah, I've created a geek,
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  Speaker 1: which is exactly what I intend to do in my life.
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  Speaker 4: Geek, spaghet, geek.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so she's going to... We're going to slowly introduce
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  Speaker 1: her to them because they do get a little scarier
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  Speaker 1: along the way. But, yeah, she wants to buy and
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  Speaker 1: read and see all the movies. So I'm very proud
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  Speaker 1: of myself.
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  Speaker 3: Exceptionally geeky, and you've passed it on to the next generation,
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  Speaker 3: which is really what we're all about. Right.
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  Speaker 4: Continuing this little geek fest. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Next week I'm going to introduce Ridicule to her. So
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  Speaker 1: she's prepared.
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  Speaker 3: You're just going to make fun of her and push
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  Speaker 3: her down and punch her in the arm every time
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  Speaker 3: she walks by.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what a bloody nose is. And this is,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, once she gets back to school, you won't have
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  Speaker 4: to do that. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to rub dirt in your hair so
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  Speaker 1: that people can make fun of you.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's about that.
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  Speaker 11: That's not true.
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  Speaker 1: That's not true.
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  Speaker 4: Just teach her to kick everybody's ass. That's the real thing. Right.
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  Speaker 16: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Now she.
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  Speaker 1: What's cool is, like I said, the neighbor boys, they're
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the cool sports kids, and they were
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  Speaker 1: right along with her immediately. Which, for some reason, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what it is. Even the cool kids seem
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  Speaker 1: to really take to the story. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it is about it, but it's a story that everybody
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  Speaker 1: can be kind of a geek with.
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  Speaker 4: Freaking Malfoys.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. So anyway, that's really all I have to share.
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  Speaker 1: I finally saw Iron Man 2, and I can't believe
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  Speaker 1: they made that movie.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, thank you. It wasn't just me, then.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my Lord.
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  Speaker 4: What happened? The first one is so good.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 3: The first one did something really original with that basic idea.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it found a way to take a basic
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  Speaker 3: old superhero story and modernize it, and yet not lose
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  Speaker 3: the basic elements, you know, the basic element, the basic,
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  Speaker 3: you know, storyline of what they were trying.
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  Speaker 4: To do and yeah then they blew it all to
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  Speaker 4: hell in.
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  Speaker 1: The second one well the second one is just people
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  Speaker 1: standing around talking and i mean i i appreciate talking
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  Speaker 1: when there's good dialogue you know but it's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be a big blockbuster action movie and it was forever
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  Speaker 1: until there was actually an action sequence yeah and it
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  Speaker 1: was It was pretty lame, and I'm like, why'd they
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  Speaker 1: bring this character in?
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing, it was so unfocused. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 3: times when it has good moments. I mean, Mickey Rourke's
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  Speaker 3: amazing to watch. He's out of his damn mind, right
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  Speaker 3: it kind of works in that character and then they
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  Speaker 3: stop focusing on that character and you're like what the
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  Speaker 3: hell are you doing why are you bringing in this
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  Speaker 3: quote-unquote super villain and then he's sitting in a cell
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  Speaker 3: half the movie and you switch to another villain and
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  Speaker 3: they just they can't focus on what they want and
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  Speaker 3: this happens in most of those superhero movies specifically the
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  Speaker 3: sequels as they go on so I don't know why
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  Speaker 3: nobody's learned anything from the last failed attempt.
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  Speaker 1: I just love how it took Jon Favreau to make
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  Speaker 1: Don Cheadle a bad actor.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, really.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that they switched out is kind of lame.
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  Speaker 3: That was a little controversy anyway, because they switched actors
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  Speaker 3: from one movie to the next, and then you'd think
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  Speaker 3: they're bringing in a pretty good name, but yeah, that
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  Speaker 3: just makes no sense, that whole part.
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  Speaker 4: I don't get it.
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  Speaker 11: It's like Don Cheadle got Cuba getting juniored.
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  Speaker 1: He would have been awesome in that role.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He's already kind of cheesy. Yeah, it wouldn't have hurt
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  Speaker 4: the movie at all.
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  Speaker 3: So is that it for you, Greg?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty much it. I mean, I wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: to bring up Iron Man 2, but I was pretty
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  Speaker 1: much disappointed in it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we all kind of know where's the sad part.
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  Speaker 3: All right, who wants to be next?
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  Speaker 11: I didn't really watch much in the last, I don't know,
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  Speaker 11: Two months. It's been since I've been on the show.
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  Speaker 4: You're out of the team.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Well, you guys have been doing it on Saturday, and
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  Speaker 11: I've had.
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  Speaker 12: To work late.
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  Speaker 4: That was one time.
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  Speaker 16: Really?
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  Speaker 11: It feels like five Saturdays. Well, nevertheless, I've worked for
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  Speaker 11: like the last five Saturdays, which I really hate working Saturdays.
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  Speaker 11: I don't know why. It's just like you just get
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  Speaker 11: that feeling like in clerks where you're not supposed to
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  Speaker 11: be there, and you're just angry that you're not supposed
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  Speaker 11: to be there. It's Saturday, and I don't work on Saturday,
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  Speaker 11: but I am, and it's just really annoying. But I
• 11:48
  Speaker 11: did watch Drive Angry.
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  Speaker 4: Which is awesome. And retarded.
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  Speaker 11: I think you've been a liberal with the word awesome.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, it was definitely fun, I guess.
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  Speaker 4: You obviously weren't listening to last week.
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  Speaker 11: No, I guess not.
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  Speaker 4: Certain members rave about that one.
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  Speaker 11: Is it Misty?
• 12:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, Misty loved that movie.
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  Speaker 11: Her movie tastes like baffle me. It makes no sense,
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  Speaker 11: I swear to God. You can't even pinpoint it. It's
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  Speaker 11: just like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It has more to do with her attitude than it
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  Speaker 1: does the quality of a movie.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it really does.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think if she was in a good mood
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  Speaker 11: that day, then she's like, that was an awesome movie.
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  Speaker 4: But it still works on its level.
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  Speaker 3: And that's almost why I give that one a pass.
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  Speaker 4: I was just like, it knows how bad it is.
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  Speaker 3: It completely owns up to how bad it is. And
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  Speaker 3: it just says, fuck it. It throws the rules out
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  Speaker 3: the window. And it realizes what a ridiculous premise it is.
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  Speaker 3: How bad Nicolas Cage is. It takes all of that
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  Speaker 3: stuff and just finds a way to work with it.
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  Speaker 3: Which most people just would have ended up making a
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  Speaker 3: bad movie. But this is above and beyond. This is
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  Speaker 3: just fun... correct up to 10 because it's just that's
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: because they know they don't have to do anything else
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: but be fun you don't have to worry about good
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  Speaker 3: dialogue or acting or any of that it's just blow
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  Speaker 3: shit up and have him say bad lines that's you
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  Speaker 3: know you can deliver.
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  Speaker 11: On that you know it's like for a long time
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  Speaker 11: i've really just hated nicholas cage but now he's just
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  Speaker 11: like this absurd cult like no one really thinks of
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  Speaker 11: him as this great action star he's just kind of
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  Speaker 11: this like it's just dumb to put him in a
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  Speaker 11: movie and they're like yeah this is gonna be awesome
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  Speaker 11: So I've kind of learned to love him in that way.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, aside from Raising Earth, and of course, which
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  Speaker 11: is totally different.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to that later.
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  Speaker 11: Ghost Rider and Con Air, any of these movies, he's
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  Speaker 11: just so terrible that you have to love it. It's
• 13:41
  Speaker 11: like a weird, there needs to be a Con Air
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  Speaker 11: festival where people, like, I don't know. Ride, plane, I
• 13:53
  Speaker 11: don't know. I haven't figured.
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  Speaker 4: Out the specifics of it. Do they throw bunnies into
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  Speaker 4: a box or something?
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  Speaker 1: I'd see that.
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  Speaker 4: I'd come to that.
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  Speaker 11: Some type of activity can be linked to Con Air,
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  Speaker 11: I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Throw the bunny in a box.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: But I like the part especially in Drive Angry where
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  Speaker 11: he was having sex with that waitress and she was like,
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  Speaker 11: why are your pants still on and he was like
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  Speaker 11: I don't like to get naked before a gun fight
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  Speaker 11: and all these people come in and he's like shooting
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  Speaker 11: at them and having sex with his waitress and drinking
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  Speaker 11: occasionally out of a Jack Daniels bottle and I'm just
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  Speaker 11: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Is awesome well and yeah at least they addressed it
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  Speaker 3: she asked the question that I ask in most sex
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  Speaker 3: scenes why are you still wearing your clothes because you
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  Speaker 3: didn't sign in your contract that you would get naked
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  Speaker 3: is the real reason but I'm just like then don't
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  Speaker 3: shoot a sex scene But at least theirs was so
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  Speaker 3: stupid they just said, oh, yeah, I'm wearing my clothes
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  Speaker 3: because in a minute I'm going to.
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  Speaker 4: Shoot a lot of people.
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  Speaker 11: I don't necessarily think. I mean, like, he wouldn't have
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  Speaker 11: to get naked. He'd have to get shirtless.
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  Speaker 14: Something.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, maybe he's just a little flabby. Maybe he
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  Speaker 11: had a bunch of puddin' pops before filming or something.
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  Speaker 11: But I think that was written in there specifically.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm sure it was.
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  Speaker 3: I just think it's so ridiculous in most movies when
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  Speaker 3: just because, you know, the actor doesn't want to get naked. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, then don't shoot it in a way that
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  Speaker 3: they should be naked and then make it where they're
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: not naked.
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  Speaker 4: Just don't shoot that scene. Shoot it from a different angle.
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  Speaker 3: Find a way to make it not look so stupid
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  Speaker 3: that they're sitting in bed having sex and they're damn
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  Speaker 3: near fully clothed.
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  Speaker 4: Half the time. It makes no sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: When a couple has just had sex in a movie
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  Speaker 2: and the woman, like, demurely, like, covers.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know women who do that. It's a little
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  Speaker 4: late now.
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  Speaker 11: I've watched a lot of movies recently that maybe had
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  Speaker 11: an R rating, maybe PG-13. The woman's always having sex
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  Speaker 11: with the bra on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, see? Because that happens all the time?
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 11: I mean, honestly, that would be ideal, really. Because, I mean...
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  Speaker 11: When you lean over, your boobs look less flattering without
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  Speaker 11: a bra.
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  Speaker 4: From a certain perspective, I suppose.
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  Speaker 1: Ideally, you're on top leaning forward.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I mean, gravity.
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  Speaker 3: If you're shooting this sex scene, but in the real world,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: you just don't.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Worry about that so much.
• 16:16
  Speaker 11: No, I worry about stuff like that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: What women don't realize is dudes don't care.
• 16:24
  Speaker 11: But I just, like, in Bridesmaids, and I know I've
• 16:28
  Speaker 11: talked about this movie a lot, but she, like, is
• 16:31
  Speaker 11: always wearing a bra, and I'm just like, that's weird.
• 16:33
  Speaker 11: Nobody does that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 14: The last movie I noticed was that Reese Witherspoon movie
• 16:38
  Speaker 14: where she was, like, wearing a bra, but I was
• 16:39
  Speaker 14: grateful for that. Yeah.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Come on, we've all seen those anyway.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. What movie was she top of the sun?
• 16:46
  Speaker 11: Was it Freeway?
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: The Paul Newman movie. Yeah, was that Paul Bestly Planned?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: A friend of mine was in a movie that I
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: probably shouldn't name because there's a criticism of it, but
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a horror movie, mass killer thing, and
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: he would kidnap these women, and all of them were
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: naked except for the lead girl. As always. It's like,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: you know, it's just such a giveaway. You know because
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: she never gets naked that she's going to live.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: She's the good girl. She's the final girl.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know, it's like a poker tell or something.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: It defeats the plot and the suspense. It's so ridiculous. Like,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: either don't shoot it that way. I'm not saying you
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: have to make everybody naked in your movie. Just don't
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: write it in there where they should be. We've got sidetracked.
• 17:37
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Was that it for yours?
• 17:40
  Speaker 11: I think so.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Alrighty. Lucy? Am I up? I believe it's you.
• 17:45
  Speaker 12: Okay, so I saw two movies this week. I don't
• 17:48
  Speaker 12: know which we should discuss.
• 17:50
  Speaker 14: Or if you've already discussed Horrible Bosses, that was the
• 17:52
  Speaker 14: movie that I saw theatrically.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I have not seen that.
• 17:54
  Speaker 14: And then I revisited John Huston's 1973 boxing film, Fat City,
• 17:59
  Speaker 14: which was a favorite.
• 18:00
  Speaker 12: That I was trying to see if it held up.
• 18:01
  Speaker 12: And it did, I'm pleased to say.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: So, I don't know.
• 18:05
  Speaker 12: Which one would.
• 18:06
  Speaker 11: You like to discuss?
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: I feel like.
• 18:10
  Speaker 11: Or are neither.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Interesting at all. I feel like you probably should discuss
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: the John Huston, because very few shows are going to
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: go into that.
• 18:18
  Speaker 12: But you're dying to know about Horrible Bosses.
• 18:20
  Speaker 14: Actually, the reason why I watched the John Huston movie
• 18:21
  Speaker 14: is because some friends have a radio show in Lexington
• 18:24
  Speaker 14: called Surreal Film on WFRFL, and they're doing.
• 18:28
  Speaker 12: A series that's, I guess, what are they calling it?
• 18:30
  Speaker 14: Classics Off the Beaten Path, which I thought that qualified
• 18:33
  Speaker 14: as sort of forgotten films.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 14: Horrible bosses soon to be forgotten it wasn't terrible it
• 18:43
  Speaker 14: was just they spent so long trying to explain and
• 18:47
  Speaker 14: maybe even apologize for the premise which is that it's
• 18:50
  Speaker 14: like three normal everyday dudes that you're supposed to like
• 18:53
  Speaker 14: who by the way really want to murder some people
• 18:57
  Speaker 14: and so they spend a really long time trying to
• 18:58
  Speaker 14: like set up like why it's necessary for these people
• 19:02
  Speaker 14: to die and how they can be cold blooded killers
• 19:04
  Speaker 14: but still be likeable Um, and I wish they'd just
• 19:07
  Speaker 14: run with it, really.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: It's a fine line, but especially when they're playing it such,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: it seems like such a audience-friendly movie.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like, it seems very mainstream.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: So to me, if it was, like, one of those, like,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: super black comedies that, like, got no promotion and they just,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: just threw the rules out the window and made everybody
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: kind of horrible... that could be really funny. But yeah,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: this one seems like it wanted to play both.
• 19:29
  Speaker 12: Yeah, like a very bad things kind of deal.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wanted to play it safe, but at the
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: same time, it still wanted to pretend like.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's our gimmick.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: We're going to kill people.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: So, I don't know. It seems like that would make
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: it really hard to commit either way.
• 19:42
  Speaker 14: Yeah, so there was way too much set up for me. Ultimately,
• 19:44
  Speaker 14: I felt it all sort of came together, dragged in parts,
• 19:46
  Speaker 14: but it wasn't terrible. There's a lot of laughs, um,
• 19:49
  Speaker 14: some more effective than others as in any comedy. Um,
• 19:55
  Speaker 14: but fat city, man, that's, that's a movie. Like I
• 19:58
  Speaker 14: am such like, and as, John Huston, uber fan. I
• 20:03
  Speaker 14: don't think he gets the credit that he deserves at
• 20:05
  Speaker 14: all because I think he didn't really have sort of
• 20:08
  Speaker 14: a unifying style that people were able to identify him
• 20:12
  Speaker 14: as an auteur and be like, this is a John
• 20:14
  Speaker 14: Huston movie. He just made great, well-crafted films for 50 years.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: He wasn't gimmicky.
• 20:20
  Speaker 12: He was not gimmicky at all.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: That's unusual. He just made.
• 20:23
  Speaker 14: Solid films that were as relevant in the 80s as
• 20:27
  Speaker 14: they were when he was making them in the 40s,
• 20:30
  Speaker 14: which is.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: kind of impressive in that span i mean yeah how
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: many other people delivered and delivered without it really wavering
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: along the way without going through a slump and maybe
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: having to come back but his was always just a
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: pretty solid career so.
• 20:46
  Speaker 14: That's for my movies of the week all right that's
• 20:48
  Speaker 14: what i got i just remembered.
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: Something else okay that i wanted to talk about i
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: did go see midnight in paris.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love them.
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it was really cute. My only problem, like, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: think I just don't like Owen Wilson that much. Like,
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: I mean, I don't think he's a bad actor. There's
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: just something about, like, his... The thing that bothered me
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: about the movie, he just kind of was like, well, whatever,
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: you know? That was just his personality. And, I mean,
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: I'm sure that was intentional, but it was just him. Like,
• 21:21
  Speaker 11: his character, like, annoyed me. You know, like... At the
• 21:26
  Speaker 11: end of the movie, spoiler alert, it's like he's got
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: this fiance and then he's in love with someone else
• 21:30
  Speaker 11: and then he meets this other girl and he's just like,
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: I'm gonna go with it, whatever.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: But is it really, and this was my question about
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: the whole movie, how much of it is him, his character,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: or him being Woody Allen? as that character, because finally
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Woody Allen has sort of started inserting other actors into
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: the roles that he used to play for way too long, really.
• 21:52
  Speaker 11: I just thought he was very flippant, which I guess
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: does make sense. I didn't think about it that way.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's still a valid point. To me, that's
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: what it always felt like, is now he's just inserting
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: other actors into that scene. He doesn't even change the character.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: It's still his character. He's just giving the words to
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: somebody else now.
• 22:11
  Speaker 14: Honestly, Owen Wilson, I think, was my favorite of the
• 22:14
  Speaker 14: Woody Allen surrogates, just because he sort of has his
• 22:17
  Speaker 14: own neurotic thing that worked. So it didn't ever feel
• 22:20
  Speaker 14: like he was doing the Woody Allen impression, which felt
• 22:22
  Speaker 14: like Scarlett Johansson was doing, and Will Ferrell was doing,
• 22:24
  Speaker 14: and Jason Biggs was doing.
• 22:26
  Speaker 12: Everybody that's been in the film the last 15 years.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Who was the first one to do that?
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Kenneth Branagh. That's a really good question. I think it
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: was Kenneth Branagh.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I can't think of anyone before that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 12: The first Woody stand-in.
• 22:37
  Speaker 14: But, yeah, it felt like Owen Wilson was just sort
• 22:39
  Speaker 14: of being Owen Wilson, but there's that element of wittiness
• 22:42
  Speaker 14: to it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you can still hear it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, the dialogue is always going to be Woody
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: when he's writing it. But, I mean, sometimes people really
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: play it up. And I guess if you're around him
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: all day, you probably start to sound like him anyway.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: You just pick that stuff up inadvertently.
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: And I guess I didn't even think about that comparison
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: because I haven't watched any new Woody Allen movies, you know? Like,
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: I never watched.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I'm behind most of them, actually.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I've seen one or.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Two in the last few years.
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so I just didn't think about that. Adrian Brody was, like,
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: over the top. But he was Salvador Dali. But, I mean,
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: I thought it was funny. And I've said, like, it's
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: a rhinoceros for, like, the last two weeks. If you
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: watch it, that'll make sense.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: If you don't, it'll haunt you.
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it'll haunt your life.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: My problem with Owen Wilson is he always sounds like
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: he's trying to hold about a tablespoon and a half
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of mashed potatoes in his mouth when he's talking.
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Or something.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's... It's.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Oddly precise.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's like... I don't know. I don't
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: know what it is about it, but his voice almost
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: seems like he's holding something back, not natural, impeding himself somehow.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: He always irks me for some reason. And it's not
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the nose.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: We've gone into the nose.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: No pun intended.
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: For some reason, he worked in cars for me because
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to look at him.
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: Well, I think the thing that bothers me about Owen
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: Wilson and not just, like, him being Woody Alley, Woody, Woody, Woody,
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: you know what I'm trying to say.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Woody Allen.
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: It's just he's kind of got one of those personalities
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: where it's kind of like, You ask him what restaurant
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: you want to go to, and he's like, oh, whatever
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: you want. And then you go to a certain restaurant,
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: and he's like, you know, I didn't really want to
• 24:43
  Speaker 11: come here. You know, like, one of those people who
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: won't make a decision.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, are you writing a new movie? Because this actually
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: kind of sounds like a scene. Yeah.
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: But, I mean, like, I think that's what I didn't
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: like about his character.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: He's so iconic.
• 24:58
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always hanging back a little bit.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, like he's got mashed potatoes in him.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: How much again?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: About a tablespoon and a half is what.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: But I really, that all aside, you know, my ignorance
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: to the whole Woody Allen just like making people be him,
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: I really liked the movie. The premise was ridiculous but
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: fun and I think.
• 25:27
  Speaker 12: It really worked.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Very cool.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking for the mashup with That and the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: John Travolta to Paris. What is it? Again, I just
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: watched it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: The Paris with Love?
• 25:42
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: If they can mash those two up, that would be awesome.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Paris from Love.
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: Midnight in Paris with Love.
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: That would be awesome.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: Speaking of mashups, I want Randy. Randy should do this.
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: That rap song that's like, you fancy, huh? You fancy, huh?
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: And the Reba McEntire song, Fancy, why hasn't someone mashed
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: that up?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: Why hasn't someone mashed that up?
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Are you sure you haven't checked YouTube?
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: I don't know. I haven't checked YouTube. But I was
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: listening to the country radio station and heard that Fancy song.
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: And I was like, why hasn't that been done?
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Probably because everybody's just trying to forget about Reba McEntire. Entirely.
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: McEntirely. McEntirely. Okay. All right. I'm done. All right, Fred,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: do you have any fun activities?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought of a couple of things. At first,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I couldn't think of anything I'd done. But then I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: remembered I saw this movie called Red Road, and it's
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: on Netflix. And there was a guy in it, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, where do I know that guy from? I've
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: seen him in something. And the movie, it's like a
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Scottish movie about a woman who watches security cameras all
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: over the city And she gets caught up. And it's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: like really got a feel and a psychology to it
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: that's very convincing. And I thought, wow, this is good.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: These people know what they're doing. There's something going on here. Well,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: that was my initial impression. But then this guy showed
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: up in it, and I'm like, where do I know
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: him from? And, you know, it was hard because he
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: looked like, the guy in Braveheart who has the big
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: scar across his face and I'm thinking that's him but
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I've seen him in other movies and he still has
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the big scar he didn't get rid of the scar
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: but then I realized he was in another movie I
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: saw a while back that was also sort of a
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Scottish thriller I guess that's two I've seen now but
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: he was in the other one and it was the
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: one where he was one of these two kidnappers It
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: was The Disappearance of.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Anna... I don't know.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I forget. You need to go back and listen to
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: all the other shows. I do remember you mentioning this one.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And it was pretty good. But like that one, it
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: sort of goes on. It's got a really tight feel.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: It's really well put together. But it kind of just
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: rolls on and then has like odd twists and they
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: kind of withhold some information about like what happened to
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: mess this lady up? And I could have told you
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: that from the beginning, but it's definitely worth seeing. And
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: in terms of the things we were saying about the
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: coyness of movie portrayals of sexuality, this is unlike that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It may be some of the grittiest film versions of
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: sex I've ever seen in my life.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: But they all had their clothes on, right? No.
• 28:51
  Speaker 11: At least the bra?
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: No.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: All right, this is gritty.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And the cool thing about it is the woman in
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: it is not like, and this is cool before they
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: get into sex, she's not really, like, that good looking
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: or anything. She's striking looking, and she can act. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: she's the main character in this movie. And she has these, like,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: suspicions about people. And then she gets close to him
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and they're like really kind of nice people and sort
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: of the bad guy in it. You could see how
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: he's like not really a bad guy. It sort of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: spoils it that they're withholding some plot twists. So it's
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: really not as good as I wanted it to be.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: But all along I'm just so rooting for it because
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: it's not like a lot of other movies. It's got
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: a different feel. Very distinctive, though. It's not, you know, amorphous.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: It's got a very definite style where they know how
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to convey the.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Atmosphere they're trying to convey.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So that was a fun thing to see, if not really,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in the end, a very satisfying movie. It was different
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and exciting to watch. And we finished up watching our series.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I was watching with my kids, Party Down. Yeah. Which
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I just loved. Just loved it. And, you know, that
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: my kids, that my daughter, that her boyfriend, they all
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: like it. Some reason it means something to me. like
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: good good for you alright cause a lot of times
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: we don't like the same stuff and I can kind
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: of understand when you're like a teenager and you know
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: you're under a lot of pressure and you're in a
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: different place and daddy's skull crushingly depressing favorite films might
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: not be what you want to watch all the time
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you might want something a little easier and a little
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: you know a little less bleakness um But I did
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: find one. This was part of my geek activity. There's
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a movie I love called The Return of Martin Guare,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't find it on DVD. It's not on Netflix.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: It's in my, you know, waiting hole. But years ago,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I wrote it on that list they have at Wild
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: and Wooly Video. Like, get this. And then I never
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: checked again. Well, they've had it for a couple of
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: years now. And I just checked the other day and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: they've got it. And I get to make my daughter
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: watch this movie because she has agreed. She owes me.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Like one of my movies.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I think she's found that after I get her to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: sit down and watch one of them, most of the
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: time she really likes them. And I've tried to bend
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: it a little like, okay, we won't watch Taxi Driver tonight.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: We'll watch this movie called Midnight Run.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Sort of, yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And she starts watching that and after a while she's like,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: what is this?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: And she really likes it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: You know, because it's funny and.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: It's got that same guy in it. Different. It's totally
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: the same.
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 32:07
  Speaker 14: A I was just going to say, I always used
• 32:08
  Speaker 14: to get Midnight Run and Midnight Express confused when people
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: would talk about them.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 12: And then mention Midnight Express, I'd be like, wait, the
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: funny Charles Grodin movie?
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Like, what's wrong with that? Anyway, it's caused.
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: A lot of confusion in my life.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Remember when they beat Charles Grodin's feet with a baseball bat?
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: That was awesome. Yeah, that was cool.
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  Speaker 1: That might be nice. I'd like to see that, actually.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I really liked that movie, Midnight Run. There were scenes
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: in it that, like, stayed with me for a while.
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  Speaker 2: When he goes home to this little suburban ex-wife's house
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and his daughter comes out with her piggy bank and
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: wants to give him her baby. That's like a good
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: scene to put in like a joke. Sort of a
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: joke movie and the plotting was so nicely done.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's what separates it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: It's written a little better than most goofy buddy comedy
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  Speaker 3: kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually a little smarter.
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  Speaker 2: You watch it and you feel like I wish I'd
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: written that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: That was clever.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: So that was, I think that's most of what I did.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: One other thing, I looked up a movie that was
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the basis for a joke my mother and father had
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: for like, I don't know how long. And she explained
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: it to me one day. It's like, oh, that's pretty funny.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: It was a line from it. It's like, now you'll
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: both work in the store. And that was something my
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: mom and dad would always say because it was just
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: this super awkward scene. And she explained it to me.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: It was a Frank Sinatra movie. And he played like
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: sort of the younger son who never really got it together.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: He always had big plans and nothing ever worked out.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: And he's sort of like, he was a character who
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: would be played now by Robert Downey Jr.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I think, probably.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: But he's trying to gets his family to lend him
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: some money like his older brother the responsible one and
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: he's trying to convince him that he's going to get
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: married and settle down so he brings this woman to
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: dinner and and at some point uh the sister-in-law says
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: now you'll both work in the store and starts outlining
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: their future together and she's just completely blindsided you know
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: she's just on a date um And that was the way.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: My mother told it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: But if you watch the movie, no, no, she's wrong.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: She's misremembered it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: And made it a lot funnier than it was. Not
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: your mother.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: She would never do that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know how moms sometimes have a different
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: reality playing in their movie theater than the one that
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: everybody else is watching?
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: It's mom brain. But I've done that too.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I've misremembered scenes of movies and remembered them sort of
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: they were more striking than they really were or i've
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: seen a movie again after years and it's like no
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: i remember it differently or lines from books you know
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: there's this but so yeah i'm you know fact checking
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: my mom um but yeah so i watched this old
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: it was called a hole in the head and it
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: took me forever to find it from just that one
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: line that situation And once I figured out that Edward G.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Robinson was in it, then it all came together. I
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: found the movie. I think that's most of.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: My geek activity.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Up until this point.
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: Well, that's a serious tour bus.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: No kidding.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Shocking tours. They do like Marilyn Manson and Lady Gaga.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Lady Gaga. I share a bus.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: She really just is a dude.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I want to know who's getting off of this turret.
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: Probably a bunch of 70-year-olds.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Seniors going bowling.
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: Oh, no, it totally is.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I remember, but was Moses and a
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: baseball player together? were they characters in big lebowski because
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: i saw them walking by.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: It's the director's cut you gotta watch those extra scenes.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah i could see the coen brothers doing that
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: though kind of yeah director's cut all about this stuff
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: that wasn't in the movie didn't they do something like
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: that in one movie They had, like, a fake director thing.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Well, one of their commentaries, or at least one of theirs,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: they were, like, in character the entire time.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Like, they were.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Another group of director, producer, and, like, sat there and
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: gave character commentary.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I remember. I don't remember which one it was. Yeah,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: I remember somebody talking about it. Luggage?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: People getting off... at a bowling alley with luggage? It's
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: not even bowling bags. It's luggage.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's the shock part. They just drop them.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Off and run. It's shock probation.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Little did you know you were going to a bowling
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: alley today.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: They're supposed to be dropping them off at the executive inn,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: but they dropped them off at the executive pool.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: At the Twilight Zone.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Little did they know they were about to enter a
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: bowling alley.
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: I really do feel like this is a big mistake.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: I kind of want to just watch and see how
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: this pans out.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I just like the lady in the pants suit.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Snazzy. That's the only word for it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: With the strappy sandals.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: The strappy sandals.
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: These people are all kissing each other and stuff.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Weird.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: I've had enough of them. That's it. We're going to
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: go wander around and take a break. We'll be back.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: We'll be back.
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: Oh, the time is now, the time is here.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Now's the time for a bite of cheer.
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: A tasty life where the price is right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: Well, look in here, you'll dig this site.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: The moment's handy for a piece of candy.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Just name your brand, they're all so grand. Hey, what
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: do you think of a nice cool drink? From the
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: idiots that brung you dumb.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: and dumber you wouldn't happen to have a philips head
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: screwdriver would you he's.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: The man with the rubber hand creepy he's the amish
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: king with the.
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: Golden heart whoa you could be a champion i'm just
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: not interested you suck now.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: These two pinheads will teach each other about life in
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: the fast.
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: Play you're about to embark on a great.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Adventure Does anyone else want one?
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I'll take a couple jugs.
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: What have you been doing all these years?
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Drinking.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: This is pretty good fun for only $ 2.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: 99 a minute.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Get your hands off me!
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I will pay you $ 1 million.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Bill Murray on July 26th.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Watch the door.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Get your mind in the gutter.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I will pay you one million dollars to sleep with
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: your friend here.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Kingpin.
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: Are you still drinking?
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: No, no, no, no.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I don't. That's that's behind me now.
• 39:44
  Speaker 14: I just.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Why are you buying it?
• 39:58
  Speaker 20: .
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: .
• 40:13
  Speaker 16: All right, we're here with James Hoosier, star of The
• 40:16
  Speaker 16: Big Lebowski.
• 40:17
  Speaker 21: Oh, star's a little out there, man. Name above the title, right?
• 40:22
  Speaker 21: Minor role of The Big Lebowski, that's it.
• 40:25
  Speaker 16: It's you and then that Bridges guy. No, no, no.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Forget everybody.
• 40:29
  Speaker 21: There's no Buscemi or no Goodman in this movie or
• 40:31
  Speaker 21: no Turturro.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Well, they are.
• 40:33
  Speaker 16: They're just way down at the bottom of the list.
• 40:34
  Speaker 21: That's it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 22: Well, at a Lebowski fest, you know, right now until
• 40:38
  Speaker 22: they show.
• 40:38
  Speaker 21: Up, yeah, they are down there.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: But when they show up.
• 40:40
  Speaker 21: They'll be above me.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: That's right. You're the star.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: So I guess how did you get into acting?
• 40:48
  Speaker 21: Like everybody could do themselves.
• 40:51
  Speaker 22: You see a flyer, you write down a phone number,
• 40:53
  Speaker 22: you pick it up, and you call them. It was
• 40:57
  Speaker 22: such an awesome thing to see a phone number and
• 40:59
  Speaker 22: call a phone number and.
• 41:00
  Speaker 21: Get a part in a movie such as this.
• 41:02
  Speaker 16: Is it something.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, had you planned on doing movies
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: at any point before that?
• 41:08
  Speaker 21: No, I didn't.
• 41:10
  Speaker 22: I was just at a bowling alley picking up some
• 41:13
  Speaker 22: freebie stuff that I was getting for a toy drive,
• 41:15
  Speaker 22: and I saw a flyer wanting a 40-ish Irish-looking person bowler,
• 41:20
  Speaker 22: and I thought I might have fit the bill, so
• 41:22
  Speaker 22: I called the number, and here I am.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 41:25
  Speaker 16: So, I guess, what was the.
• 41:27
  Speaker 21: Shoot itself like on that shoot?
• 41:29
  Speaker 22: It was so much fun because I was taken as
• 41:32
  Speaker 22: a non-actor and accepted by stars such as John Goodman
• 41:37
  Speaker 22: and Jeff Bridges and John Turturro as one of them,
• 41:40
  Speaker 22: you know, and it made me feel like I was
• 41:41
  Speaker 22: really a part of everything that was happening.
• 41:44
  Speaker 16: What were the Coen brothers like as far as, you know,
• 41:47
  Speaker 16: working with them?
• 41:48
  Speaker 21: It was great.
• 41:49
  Speaker 22: You know, they didn't give me a whole lot of direction.
• 41:52
  Speaker 22: You know, they said, well, this is kind of what
• 41:54
  Speaker 22: we want. If they laughed at a scene that was
• 41:58
  Speaker 22: taken while I was on set, it was fine, it
• 41:59
  Speaker 22: was good, it was ready to go. But if they
• 42:02
  Speaker 22: didn't have that big smile on their face, it was like, we're.
• 42:04
  Speaker 21: Going to do it again.
• 42:05
  Speaker 22: They were excellent, awesome guys towards me.
• 42:09
  Speaker 16: Is it something you've tried to get a hold of them?
• 42:12
  Speaker 16: Have you wanted to turn up in more of their stuff?
• 42:15
  Speaker 21: I would love to.
• 42:16
  Speaker 22: But the last thing I told Ethan Cohen at the
• 42:20
  Speaker 22: premiere of the movie, we had a screening at the
• 42:23
  Speaker 22: Writers Guild. I went down and told him, I said, hey,
• 42:26
  Speaker 22: you got my number? I'll clean your toilets. Just give
• 42:29
  Speaker 22: me a call, you know, and let's do this again.
• 42:32
  Speaker 21: I'm still waiting to scrub his toilets.
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: See, you do know how Hollywood works, though.
• 42:37
  Speaker 22: See, that's how Joel, when I was telling him, we
• 42:42
  Speaker 22: were discussing whether I was going to get the part
• 42:43
  Speaker 22: or not.
• 42:45
  Speaker 21: He asked me how I.
• 42:45
  Speaker 22: Had heard about the movie, and I told him I
• 42:47
  Speaker 22: answered a flyer. So after all the questions, and I
• 42:50
  Speaker 22: guess when he made the decision that he was going
• 42:52
  Speaker 22: to do this, he looks at me and he says, Jim,
• 42:54
  Speaker 22: how did you hear about this part again? I said,
• 42:57
  Speaker 22: I answered a flyer. He looked me dead in the
• 42:58
  Speaker 22: eye and says, it's not that hard to get in
• 43:00
  Speaker 22: the movies, is it? I guess it isn't, because here
• 43:03
  Speaker 22: I am.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Well, then I guess you get a lot of Big Lebowski.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: We're actually talking about other Coen brothers today. We're talking
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: about Raising Arizona. Are you a big Raising Arizona fan?
• 43:15
  Speaker 22: Actually, I've probably seen portions of the movie I haven't
• 43:18
  Speaker 22: seen at all.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:20
  Speaker 22: I wasn't a Coen fan until I became a part
• 43:24
  Speaker 22: of their life, and here I am.
• 43:27
  Speaker 16: Of their other ones, outside of your, you know, your
• 43:29
  Speaker 16: starring performance.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: But outside of.
• 43:31
  Speaker 16: That, what is your other favorite?
• 43:33
  Speaker 21: I love, I love Old Brother Roth. Fargo was excellent.
• 43:36
  Speaker 22: I love that movie. You know, and as far as
• 43:39
  Speaker 22: the others, they can, you know, come and go.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: It was good.
• 43:43
  Speaker 22: I went to the theater and saw them because they
• 43:44
  Speaker 22: were the Coens. But those were my favorites.
• 43:47
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 16: Okay, is there anything else you've got planned? Anything you
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: want to tell people you've got.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: In the works?
• 43:54
  Speaker 22: I have absolutely nothing other than coming to Lebowski Fest.
• 43:59
  Speaker 21: If there's anybody out there, I don't know whether you
• 44:01
  Speaker 21: go to producers, directors, movie people, but hey, look me up.
• 44:04
  Speaker 21: You can find me and I would love to do
• 44:06
  Speaker 21: something else if possible.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 44:08
  Speaker 16: We just found you on Facebook. Do you want to
• 44:10
  Speaker 16: tell people to go find you on Facebook?
• 44:11
  Speaker 22: Find me on Facebook, you know, with Fringy if you
• 44:14
  Speaker 22: have anything to do with the movie, you know, and
• 44:16
  Speaker 22: uh would be glad to talk to you and accept
• 44:18
  Speaker 22: you on.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Very cool very cool all right well thanks for talking
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: to us thank you very.
• 44:24
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• 44:34
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• 46:21
  Speaker 24: The first time I met Ed was in the county
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  Speaker 1: Don't forget his profile, Ed.
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  Speaker 19: Turn to the right.
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  Speaker 4: A day I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 4: like you?
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  Speaker 3: Short for Edwina.
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  Speaker 2: Turn to the right.
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  Speaker 4: Turn to the right.
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  Speaker 5: I'm walking in here on my knees, Ed.
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  Speaker 23: A free man proposing.
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  Speaker 4: That occurred.
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  Speaker 7: And so it was.
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  Speaker 8: Don't forget the bouquet, Ed.
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  Speaker 14: I do.
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• 47:07
  Speaker 24: Ed's pa staked us to a starter home in suburban Tempe.
• 47:11
  Speaker 24: And I got a job drilling holes in sheet metal.
• 47:14
  Speaker 24: These were the happy days.
• 47:16
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• 47:19
  Speaker 24: And Ed felt that having a critter was the next
• 47:21
  Speaker 24: logical step. It was all she thought about. Her point
• 47:26
  Speaker 24: was that there was too much love and beauty for
• 47:28
  Speaker 24: just the two of us. And every day we kept
• 47:31
  Speaker 24: a child out of the world was a day he
• 47:33
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• 47:39
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• 47:45
  Speaker 24: y'all without sin can cast the first stone. But we
• 47:51
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• 47:53
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• 47:54
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• 47:57
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• 48:01
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• 48:07
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• 48:12
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  Speaker 3: Alright, so we thought we were at Lebowski Fest. We
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: put together some sort of special tie-in, but You know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: talking about the Big Lebowski while sitting at Lebowski Fest,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: just hitting the nail a little too squarely on the head.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Something was a little off there for me. That's not
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: usually how we operate.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: To me, knowing the way we are on this show,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: to go to Lebowski Fest and talk about Raising Arizona,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: now that seemed kind of right. So that's why we
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: have chosen this.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: All right, we are back out in the car. We've
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: realized lately how much, probably a good 98%.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Of our episodes are recorded in vehicles or parking lots
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: or both.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, it just seems to be our MO at
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: this point. But, what do you think?
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: It's usually slightly less noisy than being wherever it is
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: we're recording, so... we are back for this week's sofa
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: theater feature this week's sofa theater feature is raising arizona
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: the year is 1987 director for once we get to
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: joel and ethan cohen the plot according to imdb When
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: a childless couple of an ex-con and an ex-cop decide
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: to help themselves to one of another family's quintuplets, their
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: lives get more complicated than they anticipated.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I like reading it like I'm working for the company.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: You gotta add that little cheese, but when their lives
• 49:51
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• 49:54
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• 49:58
  Speaker 4: So, before we get into ours, we do have a
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: one from the vaults moment. One from the vaults. From
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: the star of this movie, Mr. William Forsythe.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: It's, yeah, it's an amazing performance.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of glad that we have his memory of
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: what went on during Raising Arizona. Scott, I'm a really
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: big fan of Raising Arizona, and I think you did
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: such a good job on that.
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Evel is just an amazing character.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of funny.
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: When I did that part, even though, I mean, basically
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: I was raised in Brooklyn, New York, and all this,
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: but when I played that part, I had a period
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: after that for about a year where suddenly nobody wanted
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: to see me for parts. And finally I figured it out,
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: and I went, oh, they think I'm him. And so
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: I remember busting in a casting director's door and basically
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: trying to get them to change their opinion on those things.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: But I guess it was so effective. I've got to
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: tell you, it was so much fun to do. I
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: really loved working with the Coen brothers. I don't know
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: if they love working with me. I haven't done a
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: movie since with them. But I really love working with them.
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: And I think Raising Arizona is one of their absolute
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: most brilliant pieces of all the films they've made. And
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: I'm very proud that I did it. And it was
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: hard to keep a straight face while making that movie.
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: We had such a good time. Well, I had fun anyway.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Ethan, Joel.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: What was it like with you and John Goodman? Because
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: you have such good chemistry on screen together.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: It was great.
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: You know, the funny part was they didn't want to
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: see me because their original concept of the Snopes brothers
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: was kind of like Laurel and Hardy.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: And they had the idea that he should be like
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: a really skinny guy, this, this. And then John was
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: playing that. So they assumed I wanted his part. Yeah. Well,
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: I went in and suddenly changed their concept of it
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: because I wanted to do the part I played.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: And when they looked at it, they went, oh, it's perfect.
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, big brother, little brother, you know. So he
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: was great to work with. John, you know, he's a gentleman,
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: you know, great talent. And we had a tremendous amount
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: of fun doing it.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: You know, those crazy scenes.
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: Of us in the car, the whole stylized version of it,
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: the commitment to, you know, creating these two, you know, absolute,
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: you know, D.A. wearing lunatics, you know, was, you know,
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: one of the great experiences of my life, truly.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: They had such heart to it, though.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: It's like they were trying.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: To be hard asses, but at the same time, they
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: were so, yeah.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: He smiled at me.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: They were so sweet about it. It was a nice mixture.
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: Well, that's what made it so endearing. Those characters were
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: just so rich.
• 52:31
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: So thank you to William for sharing his thoughts.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Now that we've got William's take on it, guys, where
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: would you like to begin on Raising Arizona?
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I'd like to begin on his job drilling holes in
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: metal because it reminds me of Drugstore Cowboy.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: And that's just like an odd little thing I noticed.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's got that same job that Matt Dillon had
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: in Drugstore Cowboy. Probably after he got fired, they hired
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Matt Dillon. Yeah, Matt Dillon. So this is like what
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: people do after they're trying to get out of a
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: life of crime. You go drill. And that came out
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: just like three years later, I guess.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was pretty close.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: It doesn't lead anywhere. It doesn't get us into it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: And that's the episode.
• 53:20
  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Good night.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: So, okay, if we want to lead into it, I mean,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I guess the best, and this is probably one of
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: the most perfect versions of this, is this movie has
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: an intro. And an intro that comes before the credits
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: And it's so awesome and so long you forget there
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: were credits.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: You forget that the movie is just starting.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: You're like 15 minutes in and all of a sudden
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: that song kicks in and the credits come up and
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: you're just like, oh, shit, we're just going.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: I forgot what I was watching. So possibly the best
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: intro to a movie ever. I mean, just the extent
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: that they go into everything, the complete, because it's not
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: like it's one of those movies that jumps around and
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: it's a lot of stuff. It's like you get all
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: that told in an entirely different style in the intro,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: and then it kicks into like damn near real time.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Then it's like two, three days, and everything happens, you know,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: progresses in that same manner and doesn't ever really come
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: back until, you know, sort of dream sequence stuff.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: You never really get that style again. It's like an entirely... It's.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Almost like its own little short film, like we have
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: on many of these movies now, that the pre-credit sequence
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: is kind of its own little short film and done
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: amazingly well.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they like having that narrator.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: They did that in Blood Simple, in No Country for
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Old Men. And we were trying to remember when we
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: saw it, just like, did they have a narration in
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Miller's Crossing?
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: It's like, no.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: But it kind of feels like they did in a
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: way because a lot of that old vintage noir, the
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: characters are always narrating their things to each other. They're like, no,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: this is how it's going to be. This is how
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: it was. It's a narration kind of dialogue.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: At least each act begins with the narrator in those
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: old styles introducing what's happened or what's going to happen,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: that transition.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: They like that so much. Do you think that's what
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: it's like with them? Do you think, like, Ethan's lurking
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: around behind Till the whole time going, Well, he's decided
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: to put on the brown slacks today.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: God damn it, leave me alone! Now he's making a sandwich.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but people say, like, whenever they ask
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: them a question on the set, both of them have
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: the same answer. Like they've worked it out.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Or they share a brain.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: They share a brain, yeah.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: That's the latter. And I think....
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Part of that, or they claim somewhere, their budgets were
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: never very big, and they had to compensate by just
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: being really, really meticulous about everything. So I guess they
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: got it worked out so that chaos didn't spiral out
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: of control the way it so often does in their films.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: The miscommunications, and then they wind up and nobody knows
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: what happened except the camera.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, that is why some of their stuff probably
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: comes out so well, especially this early in their career,
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: because of probably meticulous planning.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, it is something you can see that with them.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: They're probably so ridiculously organized about everything involved that, yeah,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: they probably do have everything worked out, even to answering questions.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: About it after the fact.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: So do we want to go with specifics or jump around,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: or how would you guys like to do this one?
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I haven't... I've always wanted to talk about this movie
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: on a podcast.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: It's sort of daunting.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: But now I don't know that... It's hard for me
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: to talk about it. I've been so in love with
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: this movie since I was young.
• 57:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I remember my first experience with it. I was on vacation.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: My cousin and I were the kids that had to...
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: You know, it's cramming way too many people into a condo.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: And we.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: We had to sleep out in the living room on
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the pull-out couch. And I don't know if it was
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Showtime or HBO that we got for free, and it
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: was on. And that was my first experience. Probably still
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: too young to watch it. And we watched it, I think,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: three times on that vacation. And it almost instantly became
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: my favorite movie from that point. So it's hard for
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: me to... Now I was thinking, well, where do you
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: even start?
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: That was what I was... Because, yeah, I went back
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: and re-watched it yesterday.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: And as I'm sitting there, it's like, usually with some
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: of these, I'll be a dork and I will, like,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: start writing stuff down just because, again, meticulously planning to
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: make any of this work. Usually I'm like, I'll totally
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: forget that. I better write it down. Or we need to,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: you know, be sure and talk about that. I better
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: write it down.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: So in this one, I was going to write down, like,
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: the good stuff. I couldn't. I was overwhelmed. Like, two
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: minutes in, I was just like, I would have already
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: filled a page. I'm just like, there's just.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: so much in this and it's all so awesome that
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: yeah it's really kind of hard so i think we
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: can set it up with a basic structure but odds
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: are we're gonna be like oh and then that one
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: part so we'll probably just get keyed up and go
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: off on tangents like we do anyway so uh if
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: nothing else do we want to address the cast.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I could talk for quite a while about Holly Hunter.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: That has nothing to do with this movie.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: Not necessarily, no.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, it does, and yet, um, it could, it
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: could take on a whole different, um, I just, uh,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: really like her, and I thought she was awesome in
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: the movie. Yeah, but, no, she wouldn't have to be, like, uh,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: a really good actress for me to, like, um, I
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: just think she's so interesting. She's really fascinating. And I've
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: always followed her. She's in a number of some of
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: my favorite movies.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: She's just very unconventional. She's not who you would cast
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: in a lot of.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Movies. And then when she gets there, she does stuff
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: that you wouldn't expect.
• 59:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: There's just something so striking about her as.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: An actress.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: But it seems like as a person. You get that sense,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: although it could.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Be an illusion probably.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: But then, you know, Nicolas Cage was so good in
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: this movie. You know, he's becoming a joke now, but
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: he was so good.
• 59:34
  Speaker 14: I want to address that, because for me that's the
• 59:36
  Speaker 14: most notable thing about the film, is how pitch perfect
• 59:38
  Speaker 14: he is. I mean, it's just one of the most
• 59:40
  Speaker 14: amazing performances. And so for me, anything he does in life,
• 59:43
  Speaker 14: like the man can do anything.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: He can marry as.
• 59:45
  Speaker 14: Many 19-year-old sushi waitresses. He can direct as many movies
• 59:49
  Speaker 14: as crappy as sunny. He can do anything and get
• 59:52
  Speaker 14: away with it, because I will always go, But you
• 59:53
  Speaker 14: know what?
• 59:54
  Speaker 12: He did Raising Arizona.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: And that was perfect.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 59:57
  Speaker 12: He had that one glorious moment.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: I gave him a lot of credit for a long
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: time and still, like, that's the thing. I hadn't watched
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: this in a while. And I was just like, you know,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: even last week, going on and on about his most
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: recent movie.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: That's kind of a joke. And I've always.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Said, you know, he's got moments where he redeems himself
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: and he comes back and delivers really good performances. But
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: going back and re-watching this this week, I was just like, God, he.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: Is so good in this.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know that anybody else could have done what
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: he does. And it comes off so natural. And maybe
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: that's because he is just a little bit not right
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: in the head. But he found a way to work
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: it in this one. Maybe, again, maybe it's because it's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: so early on and he hasn't gotten... It hasn't beaten
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: him down to the point that it's overdone or he's
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: become a version of himself, which is what happens when
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: you become a big star.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 14: But.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe because we caught him at.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Just the right point in his career that he could
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: turn in this perfect performance.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 12: Well, it was like he was a child star.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 14: It was this really great performance, and then he grows up,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 14: and then it's like, oh no, stop trying. You were
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 14: so much better when you were just not trying.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Do you want to give credit to the directors, too?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: There's definitely, I mean, they knew what they were doing
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: with this movie. Everything about it is crafted. So you
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: can't completely negate that they had something to do with
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: kind of reeling him in a little bit and then
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: directing him the right way. But at the same time,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: I think it did just hit at the right moment
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: for him to be that awesome.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean that in the way, because his performance is,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: like you said, you couldn't have put someone else in
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: that role. He is that movie to me. I mean,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going to bring it up, but John
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Goodman and William Forsythe, everybody in the movie is almost
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: perfect for their characters and makes the movie, but it
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: would not be Raising Arizona without Nicolas Cage.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you almost could put somebody else in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: Holly Hunter's pie. It wouldn't have been as good, but
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: it's not as identifiable.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: See, I don't like it.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, I could see... I could see
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: them working somebody else in and it being bad. I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: can't even see the project continuing without Nicolas Cage doing that.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: He really does set the tone for the overall movie.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: Same thing.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: As much as I think John Goodman is amazing in this,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: I could see them cramming two other brothers in there
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: and it still continuing on.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: But I don't know that you could have done it.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: I can't see it even progressing without him there to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: drive it with whatever craziness and bad hair.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: Amazing hair.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: And there's some sort of tone of, like, sort of
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: outlaw danger, but it's so gentle at the same time.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I can't think of anything else that ever had that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: tone before. It's kind of cartoon. It reminds me of how, like,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: when people are guests on The Simpsons, you hear their voice.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it doesn't sound a lot like them because they
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: soften their voice, and they don't use, like, sort of harsher,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: ruder tones. they make it a kind of cartoon version
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: of themselves. And there's something about that going on in
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: the movie, and it's so interesting how they introduce, like,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: the Leonard Smalls guy through his consciousness.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Like, he dreams the guy, and then the guy's real.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: And there's just something really, I think that's maybe where, like,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: whatever the story really adds up to it, It has
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: something to do with that odd relationship that is, you know,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: it's similar to things you've seen in movies since then.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: You know, like, oh, the father thing in, oh, what's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: that movie, the Boondock Saints. It's the forgotten father, and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the last minute he sees the same tattoo, and there's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: a Darth Vader or something. Something, he's the look. What,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: The Lone Biker of the Apocalypse, yeah.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny that you brought up a cartoon,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: because that's one thing that I've always seen it as.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: He's almost high, he's almost a Wile E. Coyote kind
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: of character.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a Warner Brothers quality to it.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: And it's set in the Southwest. The fights that they
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: get into, the absurd scenarios that they get into physically...
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: the chase sequence is straight out of a Looney Tunes,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: you know, and that's why, it's probably why the movie
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: appealed to me at such a young age, because it,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm done watching Looney Tunes in the morning,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: and that night, you know, Raising Arizona's on, and it's
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: a cartoon, it's, and I don't really like slapstick, but
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: there's so much slapstick in that movie.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah there's so much casual gunfire and then and it's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: so loud and then the worst thing that happens and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: it's a detail I love is when he scrapes his
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: knuckles on the textured ceiling.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 25: For some reason that's just awesome and somehow everybody just
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 25: kind of goes oh yeah I know like you've watched
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 25: horrible things happen all the entire movie but that somehow
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 25: pushes it over the edge.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 11: Well I think people can really relate to that scene
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 11: most people have had like a Like a popcorn-sealing basement that's.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: A little too low. Yeah, you're moving something, and all
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, oh, mother! Yeah, yeah. Probably a little
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: too close to home for most.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: People.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: Need a beer, Glenn?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Did the Pope wear a funny hat?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Glenn, I guess it is kind of funny.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Say, you didn't mind me. How'd you get that kid
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: so darn fast?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: Me and Dot went into a dive on account of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: something went wrong with my semen, and they said we
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: had to wait five years for a healthy white baby.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: I said, healthy white baby, five years?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, what else you got? Said they got two Koreans
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: and a Negro.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Born with his heart on the outside.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: It's a crazy world.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 24: Someone ought to sell tickets.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I'd buy one.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: More specifics on the cast?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Sam McMurray that plays his boss. I take to him.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: You hate the guy, but he does that part so well. And,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: you know, this person that... You know he loathes himself.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: And he hates his life.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: And he.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: And, my God.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: His wife.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: Francis.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, my Lord.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: How good is she? That's one of those, I didn't
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: know she was in that movie for years.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: Like, later, I went back and went, oh, my God,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: that is her.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: How can that be her?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow. She disappears into that. She is so good. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Lynn was watching for her.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: She's like, who is she in this? Is she in this? No,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: she's not.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Married to the furniture guy. Oh, there she is.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 11: Yep.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he just... I don't know. Like I said,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: there's so much of that movie that... The characters are...
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: The characters are perfect and the people that play them
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: are perfect.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: And that's probably.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, just going back to the characters, that is
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: kind of what they do so well with a lot
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: of their movies, but especially with... They found a way
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: in the comedy portion of their career to, like, find
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: that perfect balance.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: Like, you look at... They play up, you know, because.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: They play up the comedy end of it, so you
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: do get that Looney Tunes aspect, but at the same time...
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Within these same characters, they're all so real.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they take some of the things so seriously.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: So when you're dealing with his boss, you're like, I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: kind of know that guy. You realize he's one shade
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: away from somebody you worked with.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: Or the guy at the factory.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, he's pretty close. They find the fine
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: line of the cartoon, and yet, no, I worked with
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: that guy before. They really do have a knack for it.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: the ridiculous characters, but inserting just enough realism that you're
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: kind of attached to them.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: And you're just like, no, this could really happen, I think.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure. Maybe not that one part, but everything
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: else could happen.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Or like the scene where she doesn't want the brothers
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: to stay, and he's like, no, they're just going to stay.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: And they kind of work it out. They take that.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: That is so well-observed. You know, she's totally against it,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: but you can see her like, well, okay. Yeah, there
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: are a lot of moments like that that they really
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: take more seriously than you would expect in a comedy.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: And also, he's just dealing with his sense of himself
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: as an outlaw and having to let that go and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: deal with it. And it's tied into the lone biker
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: of the apocalypse somehow. But it's not clear how he's
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: overcoming that. When they're projecting onto the baby, and he's like,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: you can tell he's a rebel.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: No, no, he's a good boy. He's a little outlaw.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: You can see his eyes. Yeah, that's so nice.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny how deep-rooted that is in him because
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: he's not a very good outlaw.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: And he's not even much of an outlaw. He holds
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: up convenience stores and the gun's not loaded. You're the
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: least hardcore outlaw ever.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 11: And he would get caught immediately.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's gotten caught how many times?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: So it's funny that he still keeps that as such
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: an important part.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Of his persona, that he's an outlaw. There's a lot
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: of truth in that, though.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, once again, it's like.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: There's so many guys that kind of live their life
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: like that. And then if you stop and look at them,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: you're a joke, buddy. Get over it.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, locking yourself out of your car.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Guys trying to be, like, I don't know, sort of outlaws,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: but at the same time basically being such nice people
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: that they're kind of in conflict.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Well, to go with that, William Forsythe is amazing. Like,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: the way that he pulls off this character that... I mean,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: is there ever a moment you kind of dislike him? Like,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: John Goodman is, you know, he's kind of hardcore, he's
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: the one that's calling the shots, you can get a
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: little like, oh, I can see, he's shady, but like.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: evil is just so sweet about.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Everything yeah he's so like he's so respectful mrs mcdonough
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: he's so like everything.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: About him is so like we didn't mean to influence anybody.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah he's just so played down the way that he
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: does everything and is so respectful towards everybody else and
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: yet at the same time hangs out with nothing but
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: criminals you know is planning this big heist i mean
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: he's still kind of an evil character if you want
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: to look at it in.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: That sense but He's so lovable in this. I'm sorry.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: It's his career.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 14: It's the job choice, like he talks about at the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 14: very beginning.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 12: This is the path he's chosen.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: In jail, it's like, well, sometimes you focus more on
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: your career. Either way, we're set for life. And then
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: when he starts getting involved with the baby.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: He smiled at me.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 14: And then when he decides that they're a family, like,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 14: it's just gorgeous. He's just so wide-eyed and sweet.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: He's so good.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Buying him balloons so they can, does it blow up
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: into funny shapes?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: I love that one. Just spherical.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Just spherical.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 10: Round.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: Round is funny. Just a circular.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, circular.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: The spherical's the spherical object arrested on the highway.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: I like how he flattens it to circular.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: It's no longer spherical, it's just.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: Well, even that, it's like, you look at the, especially
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: the brothers, and you're like, these are dumb guys. And then, like,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: they'll deliver a line that is so not. And that
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: may be why, like, the writing on it and their characters,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: the way that they play them are so genius, because
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Evel's like an idiot, he's an idiot,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: and then, like, she runs out of the room, and,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: you know, and... what's he need a dip tent and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: i'm like that's a great one was genius because nobody
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: stupid could have written that line it would have been
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: like what she all worked up about you know it
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: would have been something stupid yeah but no this is
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: not only smart but informed no.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 14: I think the point of that line was that any
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 14: idiot knows you get the dip.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Tent yeah like no everybody knows that but they're trying
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: to be parents and they're behind the rest of the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: world There's a lot of truth in that, too.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: That's true, too. When you're a new.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Parent, you're like, I can't believe the world is letting
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: me be responsible for a baby.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: It seems like even Leonard Smalls would know about that.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 22: Right.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: You know, driving along, pick a baby up on the road,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: probably he was dipped at.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: When you look at it, he's supposed to be the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: evil one of the movie. And every single person, even
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: the police officer, every single person is a miserable human being.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: All of them are criminals or liars. None of them
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: have a real name or go by their real name.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: And Leonard Smalls is kind of, he tells you exactly
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: what he's going to do. He doesn't lie to you.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: He doesn't cheat. And I don't know that I've analyzed
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: it that much before, but you know, Yes, he's rough,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: but he's not impolite about being rough.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: He is very polite about the way that he goes
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: about it. He comes into the situation, introduces himself, tells
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: him what he's going to do, like you said. It's
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: a weird way to play your hand.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: He's the only straight shooter of the bunch. I mean,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: all of them are straight shooters, but everybody's, you know,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: they're all criminals. Every single one of them.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because they weren't breastfed.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, you do get into that by the end,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: that even Holly Hunter, who is, you know, the one
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: that's supposed to uphold the law, like, she has that
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: whole crisis, and she's, like, kind of breaking down by
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: the end because she not only stole this baby and
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: did something that was morally wrong, but she sort of
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: turned her back on everything she stood for. She got
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: roped into that because she was so busy, you know,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: I've got to have a kid, I've got to have
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: a family, that, yeah, she even, like.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: Betraying her own basic sense of.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Right and wrong.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably saved like 20 minutes of introducing her
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: character and explaining stuff just when she starts crying and says,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: I just love him so much.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: It's like, you don't need anything.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: After that, that covers so much exposition and character development
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: and you're all of a sudden, okay, well that's done.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Now we know where we are.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: And you also understand why High is going back.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: In to get the baby as she rolls up. You
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: give me a baby. You realize you're not going home
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: without a baby. You best get in there and pick one.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Some of her expressions in that are so deadly true
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: and you never see them again. Or do any of
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: it in any other movie. It's all just for that character.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: And that's, yeah, that's what's so amazing about, like, all
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: of these, really.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: It's like they're all self-contained to this world, and you
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: really don't, like, even somebody as, like, John Goodwin, who's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: turned up in so many other things, and is kind
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: of well-known, like, he delivers something that's very different here,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: and it's something you don't, really see so it's funny
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: how much everybody specifically holly hunter i guess because she
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: did so much serious stuff after that so to see
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: her doing you know things have changed and she's doing
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: this crazy voice and she's making these faces and i'm
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: just like why doesn't she do more of this she's
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: so good at it and like she just went you
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: know oscar road you know after this but it's you
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: know I don't know.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: Everybody's so good at the.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Comedy and delivers that very isolated little performance that just
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: works in this world.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 14: I thought the John Goodman thing was really interesting for
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 14: me because I watched, I revisited Big Lebowski this week
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 14: as well. And I think, and I don't know if
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 14: at some point we're going to address how similar the
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 14: two films are, nearly.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 12: Identical in many ways.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: We can.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 14: But yeah, I mean, you know, John Goodman's sort of
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 14: the same. He's one of the two male sidekicks and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 14: he's a bully. But the bullies are so completely different.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 14: And the backstories are so different. I mean, it's such
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 14: different characters played by the same actor with their own
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 14: nuances that watching those two performances side to side was
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 14: really sort of profound for me.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: And that's impressive.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, because you're the same actor. You're also working
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: with the same directors. It could have been pretty easy
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: to fall back into that same thing. And he delivers
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: such different performances.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: And it was the greatest hair of any of his
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: roles ever.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: I think everybody can feel that about you.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: One scene, you see his haircut falling for him. It's like, wow.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Let's just pause that for a minute.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 8: Get your damn feet off my coffee table. Ron, you
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 8: are upsetting the victim.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: Damn it.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: Are you boys going to chase down your leads?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Are you going to sit around.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 8: Drinking coffee in one house in the state where I
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 8: know my boy ain't at?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: Well, sir, we don't have any leads as yet, aside
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: from the coat.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 12: Give me that.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 8: That's a $ 500 camel's hair coat.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Sir, you might want to wash your hands at this point.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: God damn it.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: No leads.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 8: Everyone leaves micros and whatnot.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Hell, that's your forte, ain't it?
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 8: Cracking down them micros left by criminals and commies and shit.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 8: That's your whole goddamn.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Raison d'etre, ain't it?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: No leads. I want Nathan Jr.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: Back for whichever the hell one of them they took.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: He's out there somewhere. Something leads to him.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: And anyone can.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: Find him knows the difference between a lead and a
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 8: hole in the ground.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: We hit all the cast.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: No, Nathan, Arizona.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: No there's there you go that's true.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: He uh there isn't a line out of his mouth
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: that isn't hilarious that's true and and you know that's
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: the writing yes but he delivers it so well yeah
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: and again like you say people that you know you
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: know those people yeah and they're being a complete asshole
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: but uh to you but at the same time you
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: want to laugh because they're so good at uh picking
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: the right choice of words, and, you know.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: Isn't that your whole Raising Dad truck?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, no, the one that, you know, the, you know,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: his damn jammies, he's got, I don't know, they got Yodas.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: And shit on them. They got Yodas and shit on them. Oh, no.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 14: God.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that's probably the one. That scene
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: when they're going through his house is probably... It's just gold.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: Sir, you might want to wash your hands.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: Sir, you end up doing this the whole time.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Right, just quoting the movie. Just shooting that scene, there's
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in the room too. And I'm
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: sure that's not easy to handle. Because I bet the
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: outtakes from that scene were probably a large quantity. Because
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: I couldn't have kept a straight face. recording that, I'm sure.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: What I think is so impressive with him is how
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: well he does the commercial.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: And it's not just that commercial is hilarious, but at
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: the same time.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: There's part of that guy that never goes away. And that's, again,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: the element of realism. It's like, you know those guys that...
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: they are always business. They are always on. Their job
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: never goes away. And he's one of those in the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: middle of the press conference of his kidnapped baby.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: Business still as usual down in Arizona.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's still selling in the middle of a crisis.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: And you're like, that, that's a, that's a businessman. That
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: is a guy who is like that his entire life
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: is his job.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: And he is, you know, that, that is who he is.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: And he can never turn that off.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: And that's, Again, that's just really well observed in the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: writing of the character.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: That's their second movie.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that they were this... well put together and a.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 12: Complete departure in genre yeah.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: And it might as well be their first quality yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: And when they got away from then i started looking
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: it's like they left comedy for like six eight years
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: or more before they even really got back like they
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: did you know drama right out of the gate and
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: then they switched gears to this and then they go
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: like four or five movies and don't really touch on
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: it again and it's just like weird how much they
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: because now they kind of hit back and forth now
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: they've hit a lot more comedies they're usually not that
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: successful lately but it's funny that they they had that
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: in them that they could do raising arizona in blood
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: simple back to back and.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Deliver a couple of careers yeah and it's like oh
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: we'll do this career for a while and do that
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: one when we feel like it what's weird though is
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: how good that movie is how completely realized the style
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: and And the mixed reviews it got when it came out,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: it makes you wonder, what were people looking for that
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: they did not find in that movie? Because people said
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: it was like all style and no substance. So what
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: is the substance that they were looking for that wasn't there?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's just because it was
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: so original that people felt like it wasn't hitting a
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: spot that they had already been prepared for. to see
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: a movie that would deliver what they, and they just
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: weren't ready for something different that, you know, because it
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: was so fully realized. It's just baffling how people were
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: so split in opinion on it.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: I think that's what it is, and I think we,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: in particular, American audience, have gotten to that, where you look,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: especially in comedies, where you see, I mean, you see
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: the trailer, and same thing we were seeing with Horrible
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Bosses before. It's like, I saw that trailer, and I
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: was like, Yeah, I kind of know where they're going
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: with this. I kind of know where most of the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: jokes are going to hit. I kind of see what
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: they're doing, and they're hitting a very specific thing that's
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: kind of popular right now, and they're hitting it pretty good.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: And you look at something like Raising Arizona, and it's nothing.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: There is nothing like it. There is nothing that it
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: plays on, really. I mean, it's just like everything is
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: done in such a different way that I think that's
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: what it is. It has to catch audiences off guard
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: at that point. And there's a reason it took... eight,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: ten years before it really found that following. And even
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: now it's sort of, like, forgotten in the, you know,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: in the Coen Brothers list. People always go to their
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: other bigger, more recent movies. But it's, like, it's still,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: it took a long time for people to really fully
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: realize how, like, amazing it is.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's that phenomenon, like, when you expect
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: somebody to say something and they say something else, it's
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: hard to hear it.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Like at first you're trying to hear what you're expecting
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: to hear. Or like when you see student journalism, if
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: you're like present at an interview and then they write
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: it up, it's like, that isn't even what happened. And
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: it's because they come sort of with a story already
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: in mind that they're going to try to do, and
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: they don't really hear what people tell them when they
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: get there. That's my explanation for it, because I just
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: think it's baffling that that people who watch movies and
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: love movies and write about movies can be so wrong
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: about something that's just so clearly developed and excellent.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: You look at when this hit, too. This was also
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: the VHS boom.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: I kind of remember because I also think this is
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: when they started doing really bad box art.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: And don't get me wrong, that one's funny, but it
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: doesn't really fit the movie. It doesn't.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: We said that.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't match what you end up in the
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: middle of.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lynn said that last night. She said, I don't
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: think the art looks like the movie. And it's like, no,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: it looks like marketing.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you figure at this point, and I remember this,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: I remember seeing these boxes, these type of movies at
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: that point at the grocery store. And you're dealing with
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: normal middle America going through.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: Going, look, that looks funny. That baby's wearing sunglasses.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: It looks like the movie about the two secret agents
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: who have babies.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Baby movies? Yeah.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: That's what it looks like.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: Another terrible one.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So once again, it's like that's what they wanted.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: They wanted something stupid and mainstream like that. And so
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: they grab it off the shelf at the grocery store
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: and they go home and they're not prepared for that.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: And I think it does. Either it's just not their
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: type of humor or... they're caught off guard. And it
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: will be, you know, years later they'll come back and go,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: you know, that actually was really funny, you know?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they watch it again. And it's funny, too, because
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: in the movie, I mean, clearly the intent is they're
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: not trying to make a little indie movie in a
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: niche somewhere. They're going for the whole, you know, they're
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: making a picture for everybody.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: It's ambitious in that way. They're not trying to make a,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: not quirky in the sense of it's just for certain people.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: they're they're making it's a big.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Movie and it could have fallen into that that was
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: almost before that big boom of little weird indie movies
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: so it's like if they made it years later it
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: could have been really easy to to try well again
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: different directors i don't know that they would have bothered
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: to do that but a different director trying to do
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: something like this sort of playing with the the funny
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: landscape of what you know who and what the old
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: white trash persona.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: And the The women in their hair curlers.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, you could see working that visual style into
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: another not as good movie. I could see somebody else
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: trying to do something like that and just delivering something
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: totally different and not near as good.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 14: There was one scene that didn't feel like a Coen
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 14: Brothers scene to me, and I was sort of wondering
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 14: at the time if it was targeted toward the people
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 14: that wanted to see the baby in sunglasses.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 12: Like, that's the movie they wanted to see. They wanted
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 12: to see babies in sunglasses.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 14: Like, that whole really extended scene where he's, like, trying
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 14: to pick out the baby, and he's trying them all out,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 14: and then all of a sudden the babies are everywhere,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 14: and it's, like, Trouble with Tribbles, and, like, it's just, like, madness,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 14: babies all over babies.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 12: And it went on forever, I felt like.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that a lot of babies got fired.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 12: A lot of babies perished in the making.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: No, they got fired because they all started walking, taking
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: their first steps.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: And they had to keep, they needed babies that would crawl.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: And so one of the stage mothers actually put her
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: baby's shoes on backwards so he couldn't get up and walk.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Because they were trying to keep, yeah, babies were getting fired.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: She went ahead and broke both his feet. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: they got a small price to pay for a starring role. Yeah,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: they got.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Kathy Bates in there.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: Hobble the baby. You just need a little piece of wood. Oh, wow.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: I think there's still, and that's something that they do,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: and maybe that's what it was, there's still that... you
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: were saying mass appeal kind of stuff and mixed with
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: with your thing it's like i think they still have
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: that in them that is weird as they are and
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: as much as they have that highbrow end of them
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: they still realize there's just basic stuff that's still kind
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: of funny yeah like a baby crawling they're following that
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: kid crawling i'm like that's just kind of funny look
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: at the way he's crawling.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 11: And also this is the look who's talking era, three
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 11: men and a baby era. Babies were hilarious. That's what
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 11: people wanted. They're like, babies are funny.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: That's why I think when you get those little insert
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: shots of Nathan pulling his hood down as they're turning
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: a corner, that's what that was. It was that point of, okay,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: people love babies, stick another shot in there.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: And granted, the way they.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: Edited it is kind of funny, but it's still a
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: little more mainstream than most of what they pull off.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Well, you do have to have it be cute and
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: be funny. Because if it wasn't cute and funny, it
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: would be such a dark movie. I mean, this is people...
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: And that's maybe why that extended scene is so cute
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: with the babies. It's distracting you from the fact that
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: this is such a... I mean, that's the biggest nightmare
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: of anyone who's ever had kids is that someone's going
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: to sneak in and take your child. And so.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: That's a lot to deal with. So if we, you know,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: make it funny and make it cute, you're not going
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: to hate these people. Because they're still the protagonists in
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: the movie. You don't want to completely hate the characters
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: that you're going to spend an hour and a half with.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it almost needs it. You know, if you
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: were to take out all of that, I might even
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: turn it off.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: It might cross that line. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: There still is that basic, and that's what I always
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: gave him credit for, is still being able to tap
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: into that. There's just something innately funny about a dog
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: running on linoleum. That dog turning the corner in the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: grocery store is still one of the funniest moments. and
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: there's nothing to it there was no performance they were
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: just dog run and it's it's there's still something that's
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: so funny about that and it's one of those knowing
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: what to capture knowing those basic things in life that
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: okay this guy's gonna get hit in the face with
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: a board you know what that's funny you know it
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be it's horrible and yet damn it you're gonna
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: laugh at it every time i think there's a little
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: element of that in them that they still have that
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: like goofy little kid that probably taps into the cartoon
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: aspect that like still understands that like basic level of goofy,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: funny thing.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not kidding themselves that they have this independent
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: sensibility about what's funny. No, they still want what's really funny.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: And that anyone with any sense of funny will have
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: to respond to.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: Dog on the no lean. You have to let them.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 11: Well, the reason I think their comedies, most of their
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 11: comedies work so well is because they know every... aspect
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 11: of humor like not just slapstick and not just like
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 11: the cheap shots but they know like the type of
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 11: comedy that's funny because you see it and you relate
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 11: to it you've experienced it at some point and also
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 11: you know like you said the dog running on linoleum
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 11: like they it's like i think most movies focus on
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 11: one specific type of humor whereas this one was like
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 11: all forms of humor combined and that's why it works so.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: Well yeah and it is one of those that it
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: does have to hit you just right. I mean, there
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: are those basic things that everybody's going to think is funny,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: but there's those other things that are like, you may
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: just not get it. It may just not be what
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: you're into, but if you're one of those people that does,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: and it clicks with you, you're going to be floored.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: I think we all kind of fell into that.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, when we were talking about, like, you can't
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: pick out things that aren't, you know, are good scenes,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: because they're.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: All, like.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they never lose the momentum of the movie just
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: to show the.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a gimmick, really. They're set pieces, more
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: or less. But the flow of it still works that
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: everything is consistently that way. It really is like a
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: complete universe, kind of.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: Because you never... The kid behind the counter at the
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: convenience store... It definitely lives.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: In the same world as the woman with the curlers
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: in her hair at the grocery. It all feels just
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: like one big piece. It really doesn't feel like they're
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: just doing this little funny bit that we wrote that
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: we have to work into a movie. It doesn't feel
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: slapped in there like they do a lot of comedies now.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. It's just such a good movie.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: When you talk about it, I sort of forget that
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: we're supposed to keep talking because... I start playing parts
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: I'm doing the same.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: I'm running scenes in my mind and I'm like, no,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: I can't do that because I'd just be talking about it.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I've heard some people when they're doing the DVD
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: commentaries for some things that they just really enjoy, they
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: forget to talk. Yeah, they just sit there and watch
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: it after a while.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: I've seen a few of those. They just sit.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 11: There like R. Kelly and Notherhead. This is where the
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 11: midget He shits in his pants.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was one of the most impressive commentaries I
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: ever witnessed. It was amazing. Thanks to you for making
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: me listen. Oh, man. It was classic.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I actually had a story that I was going
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 14: to tell about Nicolas Cage and how loathsome he is,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 14: but now that all I can think about.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 11: Is hi, like, I'm just so in love with him
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 11: right now. I can't even tell the story.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, that's the thing.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: Just think about the wicker man, and then you can
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: tell the story.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: All right, let me tell you about that motherfucker.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 11: I never saw that one.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 26: Don't.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 14: No.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 11: I saw the original. I like the original.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: Actually, I mean, it's epic bad. It's one of those
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: you kind of have to see to be like, wow.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: It's so bad. It's like, no, I'm burning. You know,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: it's that bad. It's like, you don't express agony. You
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: tell us that you're in agony.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 14: I mean.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: It's that bad.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 11: I feel like The Wicker Man is such a weird movie.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's one of the strangest movies ever. It's very, like,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 11: nonsensical and almost surreal in a lot of ways. You know,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 11: the scene, I'm pretty sure it's in The Wicker Man.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 11: That's what I associate it best with. You know, where
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 11: they're all, like, beating the drums and, like, having a parade, basically,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 11: to catch a human being on fire. I mean, it's
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 11: just such an odd movie. Why would they ever remake that?
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 11: it's not a horror movie it's a weird it's just.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: A weird movie and there's almost a way because that's
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: the thing you see the pitch when they started setting
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: that up there's almost a way they could have done
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: it it wouldn't have been as good but I could
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: see them making it more into like a thriller making
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: him like trying to figure out the mystery kind of
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: thing that sort of gets overshadowed by just the weirdness
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: in the original but yeah they totally lose that too
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: it's like they've just missed the boat on every aspect
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: I just.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 11: Don't I can understand making tons of weird old horror
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 11: movies but that is not one of them I mean
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 11: I think sometimes.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the horror of a movie is that people got
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: together and agreed to do it and it just scares
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: you that people can be so like this crowd mentality
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: can take hold and people can just undertake such a
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: really really terrible idea or boardroom.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 11: Mentality I mean it almost has and I'm sorry that
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 11: we're going on about this movie so much but it
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 11: almost has like a weird foreign movie feel, you know?
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Well, for us it was.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 11: But, I mean, you know what I mean? Like, a
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 11: weird old, like, a movie that was never supposed to
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 11: be put on DVD, but someone, like, found it, and
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 11: they're like, here's a compilation of weird clips of old
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 11: weird foreign movies.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, like Trash Hoppers.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: Your favorite movie.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 11: Kind of like that DVD of, like, those movie previews,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 11: whatever that's called. But it's almost like that. I don't know.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 11: I'll stop without it.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 19: And if I don't pay?
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 9: I'll get the boy regardless.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 18: Because if you don't pay, the market will.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 19: You want to know what I think? I think you're
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 19: an evil man. I think this is nothing but a
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 19: goddamn screw job. I think it's a shakedown. I think
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 19: you're the one that took Nathan Jr., And my fine friend,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 19: I think you're the one who's going to get his
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 19: butt kicked. I think I'm on the phone with the
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 19: cops right now.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: I did want to get into, on Raising Arizona, the
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: more sort of, I mean, we touched on it earlier,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: the sort of more semi-mystical end of it.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: Because it took me a long time to figure out
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: what I thought of the Leonard Smalls part of the storyline.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: I guess at least for a minute, let's go into that.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: He says that in the narration that he is the
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: pain and suffering that Mrs. Arizona... It's born out of that.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: So obviously he's not just.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: But is it some otherworldly end? Or does it just tie...
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: Because that was my thing. I actually had it very...
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: otherworldly you know early on I remember watching it and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: just sort of didn't really map that out and just
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: kind of went with it because it's you know they're
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: fun scenes and you go with it but in over
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: the last few times that I've watched it I've been
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: like there's a way that you can kind of mesh
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: those two together where he's having his visions and he's
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: he's he's feeling his things about his his criminal past
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: and his dark side in the same moment that this
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: you know weird uh bounty hunter uh comes along that's
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: also sort of just in the business of finding people
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: that need to be found and probably watching the media
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: trying to pick up on where the next place to
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: make money off of people is and who he can
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: exploit i mean there's there's a real world aspect that
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: you can tie into it and it's only recently that
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: i've even kind of put all that together that it
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: could sort of be.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: Both yeah it's weird that it's both yeah it's almost
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: like new physics or something It's kind of like parallel lines.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: Converging.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: You know, like, it's not that they can't. They just
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: had other things to do. Now they're going to converge because,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it's this thing in his consciousness, but it's
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: also this thing in the world.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: They bump into each other.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: How did everybody else read it initially, going back to
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: when you were much younger watching it?
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: How did you take it?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: I always took it as exactly the way, I mean, initially,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: I always took it as exactly the way he's saying it.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: It was something born, supernatural, out of him and her.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: Like Ghost Rider.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, yeah, there you go.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 11: Just like Ghost Rider.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: Just like Ghost Rider.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Just like Ghost Rider.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, sorry, to bring down Raising Her with Ghost Rider references.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: Um but yeah I mean it's it's again making this
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: movie even more odd really I mean it's already got
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: this weird quirky sense of humor and characters but then
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: you're throwing in this sort of supernatural element in the
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: middle of it that it is weird that it ever
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: caught on in any mainstream way which is so minimal
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: that it ever has but there's there are people that
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: like this movie that I almost wouldn't expect to because
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: of all of these elements put together that just kind
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: of don't add up in any end like you wouldn't
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: expect any of this like if you described all this
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: stuff going on to somebody before this movie you would
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: think this is going to be a mess.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: And somehow they kind of weave it all together and
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: make it work.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard for me to really explain how I
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: feel about it, but it reminds me of things like
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: Nikolai Gogol, like the overcoat, where there's this other character,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: the very important person. that is kind of him, but
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like a projection of, I don't know,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: it is strange. I think it works as fiction, but
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: I think that's just because it's kind of in the
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: nature of fiction, that I mean, usually the reason people
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: write or do anything are real reasons that have to
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: do with real things that they experience and But then
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: they also project something about it that is kind of real,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: but at the same time completely made up. And so
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's legitimate. It's a legitimate fictional device to
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: have something that is obviously, like, born out of... It's
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: born out of the character's imagination. It's like, hi, wrote.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: That part, in a way.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: Well, it gets extra complicated when you get to the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: very end and you've got the tattoo.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right. That it really kind of like, okay, wait,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: what are we looking at now?
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: It is, and it's hard to make out, like, what
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: that exchange was, because at the end he says, sorry.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: It's so loaded, but it's incomplete, too. It's, like, hard
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: to say exactly what that means. And it's also just
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: a great, you know, film moment as an action thing.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Casino Royale.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: Moment where the guy realizes that he has his detonator
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: tied to his belt. That's just a great scene.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 11: I think the way they worked that scene was really
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 11: brilliant in the way that if it was overly supernatural
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 11: in a way that didn't make.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 11: normal people can handle movies that aren't based in reality
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 11: as long as the whole movie seems like it's not
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 11: based in reality.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 11: You know, like, like Hellboy, you know, like none of
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 11: that is real and that's apparent from the beginning. This
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 11: was a very, not overly realistic movie.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was all based in the real world.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 11: It was based in like reality with humans and normal things.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 11: And I think if, if it, if they would have
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 11: just thrown that kink in there, people wouldn't have been
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 11: able to follow it or process it. So the, I
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 11: think they made it to where people who actually like
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 11: sit and think about movies afterwards would be like, what
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 11: does this mean? Whereas regular people would just accept it
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 11: as some like weird biker guy who's coming to get him.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: It's kind of genius. Again, it works both angles.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: It's genius that they didn't just get bogged down in
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: explaining the armature of what they were doing, like, you know,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: an Inception thing.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, 20 minutes of explaining. It's just as long, boring explanation.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: It's just, you know, the dream is reality. Okay, just
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: do it now.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: We get it, all right.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Let us experience it rather than.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: Think about it.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: You know, that's one genius.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: About them that... on a completely superficial level you can
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: watch an old brother where art thou and my father
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: can watch that and not think a moment about the
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: movie and still enjoy the.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Movie yeah yeah they can do that.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Or or you could be a film student and write
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: eight papers on one movie on one of their movies
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: that's that that's you know the beauty of their their
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: layers uh within.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Them of But they don't get stuck on just the
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: intellectual armature of what they're doing. The intellectual aspect is there,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: but they focus on the experiential part of it to
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: make a really great and involving movie where you're not
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: just sitting around thinking how deep it is.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: Well, that seems like the perfect example of that mixture
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: of them within this movie, but maybe of their whole
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: career the more we talk about it. Because it really
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: is like... You can look at that scene, and it's funny,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: you know, hitting him in the head with a board,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: cartoon violence. Or, again, Dirty Film Geek can be like, okay,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: is this him wrestling with his dark side?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: Is this him, you know, fighting with his evil past?
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: And in the end, you know, he blows it up,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: and does that mean now he can go on and
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: have this dream life? I mean, you really can, like,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: sit there and think about it and turn it into
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: something deeper.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: Or you can go, he just got hit in the
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: head with a board.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: It really works on both levels.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: Is it the original Fight Club that he's not even...
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Because until that scene, he could have been Leonard Smalls
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: going into Nathan Arizona's office and saying, I can get
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: you that baby. And I can make money off it.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: It could have been him all along. That's why they
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: have the tattoo, because they are one.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: In the same.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: But that's why it's a better movie than Fight Club.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, hell yeah.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Because Fight Club, then they start talking about the armature
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: of what they're doing.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: And it's like, well then, you're not really.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: And they show you those scenes over again, which is
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: kind of cheesy to me that they show you those
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: scenes with.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 11: Him in them. I still really liked Fight Club, because
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 11: for some reason, I never put two and two together.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 11: And I'm like, it like blew my mind.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of things that were really good
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 11: And it really blew my mind that no one had.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: Heard of it. But I think Raising Arizona is a
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: better movie. I think it's a more complete package.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I still like Fight Club more than most people.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: It's gotten a lot of hate in the last 10
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: years or so. I hear everybody sort of do a
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: 180 on it and be like, no, fuck that movie.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: And then they'll give you an hour why they hate
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: that movie. But yet they put an hour of thought
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: into the reasoning why. So it still kind of works
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: on some level.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it really does. It works on a lot
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: of levels, but in the end you feel like they
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: kind of illustrate the idea of the movie at you
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: rather than it doesn't feel like it completes itself as
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: well as it began it's.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: Not as perfectly pieced together where everything in this in
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: Raising Arizona just falls into place and works in that
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: you know within that little world it is it is.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: And such a strange ending yeah it's projection into the
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: future you don't know if it's real or not or
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: how it could be or you know, it's obviously, um,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: it just leaves with, they have this kind of hope, but, um,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: and it's not too far from Fargo, where they've got
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: that baby coming at the end, and, and, uh, She
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: makes her husband feel better because he got the two-cent stamp.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: Nobody uses the two-cent. Oh, sure they do. When you
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: get stuck with a lot of the old ones. I
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: guess she didn't know about the forever stamp.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: It's pre-forever stamp. Oh, yeah.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Back when there was still hope in the world.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: That's what it was. The forever stamps. You know, just ended.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: Hope of all humanity. Yeah.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: And there's a baby coming at the end of the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: big Lebowski, too.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: Do you want to address the Lebowski angles more?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: If you want to.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 11: I mean, I don't know.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 12: I think it's just the obvious stuff.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're sitting in the parking lot of the
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: bowling alley. You might as well throw it in there.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 14: I mean, I think it was just the really obvious stuff.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 14: I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 14: but there's, you know, the central moneyed character, and then
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 14: there's a kidnapping, and then there's sort of an everyman
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 14: with simple wants and needs who has.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 12: The two male sidekicks, and there's, you know.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, Fargo falls into that too.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: They really like this idea, don't they?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 11: The whole kidnapping thing.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: Kidnapping.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: There's really a lot that's repetitive in their stuff. And
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: to where sometimes you get one of their movies that
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: just feels it's kind of like it's by the numbers.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: It's good, but it's not one of the ones that
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: reaches past what they've done before. And for me, I
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: expect to be surprised by them still. I don't really
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: expect Tarantino to top Pulp Fiction. I'm not holding my breath.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: The Coen brothers could still do anything, it seems like.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: They're going in such a weird direction.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 14: This is what's concerned me about their path. I'd sort
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 14: of forgotten the nihilism aspect of The Big Lebowski until
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 14: I saw it again. I hadn't seen this movie since
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 14: it came out. For me, the last few years, I've
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 14: been like, I'm really worried about where the Coen brothers
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 14: are in their personal lives, that they've become so nihilistic.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 14: Their films used to have so much heart, and the
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 14: good guys always won out. Burn After Reading, every single
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 14: person that has any sort of... any semblance of humanity
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 14: is snuffed out in the most, like, immediate and, like,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 14: uncelebrated way possible. So that.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 11: And everybody.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 12: I mean, every single good character.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 14: And I don't know, their whole sense of morality has changed.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like how the guy in, uh, um.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: No Country for Old Men doesn't even get a death scene.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: You just find out later, oh yeah, he got killed.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: He was the main fucking guy. What are you talking about?
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: How do you do that?
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 14: Well, that film, honestly, I'm going to go out on
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 14: a limb and maybe make people hate me. Necessarily make
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 14: people hate me. When I saw that movie, I loved
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 14: every single scene. Every single scene I thought was brilliant.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 14: At the end of the movie, I'm like, I'm not
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 14: entirely sure... what the sum of these parts is. I'm
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 14: not entirely sure what the movie is trying to say.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 14: So I went out and read the book. And when
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 14: I read the book, I was like, oh, I totally
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 14: know what this is about.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 12: I totally understand this now. I understand that.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 14: It got the Oscar for the adapted screenplay. I understand
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 14: that Cormac McCarthy gave it the seal of approval and
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 14: thought it was fantastic. I thought that it lost its
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 14: meaning because that the Javier Bardem character in the book
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 14: actually has a sense of morality, of like a really
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 14: stringent sense of morality he thinks that he's sort of
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 14: the hand of god and that he is presenting justice
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 14: in obviously a really skewed way he's obviously a nutcase
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 14: but he thinks he's doing something important and that didn't
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 14: exist i thought in the film i don't know what
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 14: your all's feelings is He.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 11: Just really seemed like a senseless bad character. I mean,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 11: he was scary. And I think that's what the dynamic
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 11: of the movie was. Like, it wasn't a horror movie,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 11: but you were scared. Like, he was scary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was kind of impenetrable in the movie.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Like the guy in Fargo, the quiet guy, not the
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: funny looking one. Which I always thought was like a
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: really interesting way that they presented evil. Because people write
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: about evil and they have theories about it. And they
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: had the funny-looking guy who was just transparent. He had
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: authority issues, and he got in fights with parking lot
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: attendants because they're in a uniform that bothers him, and
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: he can't shut up. And you can just see how
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: messed up he is in almost everything he does. And
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: the other guy is just like a brick. And it's
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: just like the inexplicable nature of evil... And it was
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: so slow, too. Slow, but absolutely deadly. Like, everything he did,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: he'd get around to it. Like, he's going to go
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: kill these people, but he's got to find a band-aid.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: But he always catches up. No matter how slow he goes,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: he always catches up. Even in the end, you know,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: he's just sitting there in the house, and Bushimi is leaving.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: He's marching off, but he just gets his shoes on,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: comes out in a robe, and beats him to death.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: It's like.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: There's like a Kafka parable about how the rabbit is
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: just racing through the fields, but no matter how fast
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: it goes, the dogs that are just playing in the
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: yard are still going to catch up with it. It's...
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's, there's something, and I think his
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: character becomes that sort of bigger than life, inexplicable evil,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: rather than having something you could relate to, like a
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: sense of right and wrong that explains why he can
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: humanly do what he does. I mean, it's messed up,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: at least it's, It's an ethos, as they say.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: And listening to you describe that, that also kind of
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: fits Leonard Smalls. Yeah.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: That all of that kind of plays in, that you
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: don't even have to worry about explaining why.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 4: He's just evil. And again... He just needs to be
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: stopped because he's bad.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: And it just occurred to me that it's like in
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: The Big Lebowski when he says, Nihilists, they don't believe
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: in anything. Say what you will about National Socialism, but
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: it's an ethos. It's like... That's the difference. At least
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: they believe in something. It's evil, but, you know, it's
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: not nothing. You know, the themes in their movies, like,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: just run through all their movies.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Good.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 14: No, I was just going to remark, like, even True Grit,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 14: which was sort of this family film, I haven't actually
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 14: seen the original one, but I asked somebody when I
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 14: left the theater if the ending was different, if they
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 14: take it to that final place, because it seemed like
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 14: it followed everything.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 12: This is what happened. Everything works out.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 14: And then, by the way, we're going to add this
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 14: scene just to go, oh, by the way, just so
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 14: you know, ultimately everybody dies.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 12: Just so you know.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 14: No matter what happens, no matter how I save you,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 14: no matter how triumphant and heroic it is, oh.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 12: By the way, we're all going to die.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: Spoilers for life. We're all going to die.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the early English.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: Was it Beowulf?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: Where they had this thing where every time they'd introduce something, oh,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: and they had this grand banquet hall... And it was
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: great before it all burned down and everybody died. And
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: everything they did was so fatalistic. Like, they could never introduce, like,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: this character was so strong and a mighty warrior before
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: he was killed and beaten into the shreds.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: Well, but that, you know, you're getting into mythology and everything, but,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: you know, with the Vikings, their whole life was about death.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: And the greatest thing you could ever do was to die.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: You know, that's... That's true.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: And have your ashes scattered into the wind and blown
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: into somebody's beard.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: But, you know, and that is how they handle it.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, everybody does eventually die. Everything does
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: eventually come to the end. Like you say in True Grit,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: no matter what you do or no matter how good
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: or bad or how hard you try to save everyone, well,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: eventually we're all still going to die.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 11: Like, I think, sorry.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: No, well, I guess I was going to just say,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: you know, Javier Bardem's character or the Leonard Smalls or the,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: you know, there's always, and I know this is a
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: very negative view of spirituality, but that's almost like they're God. Like,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: justice is coming, somebody's going to get you, you know,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: you can't do anything about it.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: I think more than that, with them, it's almost senseless death.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: Like you look at the Big Lebowski, you look at
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: Steve Buscemi's character.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: You're in the middle of this fight.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: People are going to get killed in any different way,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: and how does.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: He just random heart attack?
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: Senseless, out of nowhere, going to die for no good reason.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: This parking lot looks pretty close to that, so one
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: of us is going to die.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: Or also like the Old Testament God and a serious man.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like he can't make this, he finally decides,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: and then it's like, okay, now God's pissed. It was
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: like Schrodinger's cat. It was undecided. He hadn't made his.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: Move, but....
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: Basically, the Coen brothers are a weird couple of guys.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: They're so coherent, though. I mean, they're so.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: They've definitely got something worked out that.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: They're... They found that way to cross over and have
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: mass appeal, more or less, and yet still be kind
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: of smart. I think they always wanted that.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: I think they always wanted to be like, you know,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: movies that mattered to people. They didn't want to do
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: like little movies that, you know, had their own little
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: independent existence. I know they did work, they have worked
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: with small budgets, but I always think they're aiming for
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: the big, you know, the world movie audience.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 11: I think she brought up a good point like if
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 11: you do think about it like the first half of
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 11: their like movie career all their movies ended on like
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 11: a positive note you know like Raising Arizona and When
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 11: He Sees Into The Future and all those movies and
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 11: now they just don't like it's like you leave like
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 11: at the end of Raising Arizona you're like oh and
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 11: you're like uplifted you're like oh everything's gonna be okay
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 11: and that was good but now it's just like I
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 11: feel like going home and crying into a pillow. It's just,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 11: their tone has completely, I don't, I don't necessarily think
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 11: their themes have changed, but I just think their overall
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 11: tone in the movies.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I thought I.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: Did see the, uh, the old true grit and it's
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: weird how different it is. Cause the plane style is
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: almost like, um, musical theater. It's so big and over
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: the top and it's, uh, Oddly, the Texas Ranger dies
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: in it, and he doesn't in the Coen Brothers version.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: He just randomly dies when he's dragging him out of
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: the hole. He, like, falls off the horse. It's like, bye,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: Glen Campbell.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: It's odd, too. It's weird.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, a lot of people, you know, it kind
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: of comes off as like an adventure, family adventure, but
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: it is so dark.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: It is so just... Like, when she watches the lynching,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: and you just see that look on her face, like, yeah,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: that's what I want. Yeah, and it's one of the
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: most convincing lynchings in film, I think. It looks like
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: you're watching... I don't know. And then there are just
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: other things. It's other little things about it that just
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: seem so strangely twisted and dark that kind of you
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: can sort of, like, pass over... Like that scene that
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: nobody does in Shakespeare's Henry V, where they just freak
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: out and they kill all the prisoners. And nobody plays it.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: Nobody's ever done it, as far as I know, because
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: it's just like running over something at night, and then
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: you go, ooh, did I hit the.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: But you just keep going.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: There's just this gross feeling in your stomach. It's like, God,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: what happened? Was that a hobo or what? Not that
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: I've ever done that. I've never run over a hobo.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: Allegedly killed a hobo.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: I did hit a goose once. And my kids were
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: in the car, so I couldn't... I was like, oh.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: What's the matter, Dad? Nothing. You guys went goose for dinner? Yeah.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, Lord.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 4: Alrighty.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: So, to wrap up Raising Arizona, I just, the one
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: thing I guess we haven't talked about that I just
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: wanted to hit quickly was the, just the visual style.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, again, this is two movies in for them, so. Mm-hmm.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: Just how like impressive they were and how no holds
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: barred it was that, I mean, it was just like,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: they kind of threw the rules out the window for
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: just about everything. And to the, maybe that's just something
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: you do when you're that early on in your career.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: Cause it's funny that it's rare that they do that.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: Now they've become very measured now and they've become, you know,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: just everything is a lot more in control where this one,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, that shot going back into the Arizona window, uh,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: and she's screaming is amazing and it's just like I
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: don't know who would do that now and I don't
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: know that the older Coen brothers would do that now
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know but it's I'm glad that it's there,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: because I think that shot.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: Kind of Hitchcock-like, in a way.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but sped up for sort of a comedic effect,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: but at the same time, it's kind of that slow lead-in.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: That he used to always do on his movies.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: Like from outside an airplane, and then through the window
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: of the airplane.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: And then into a building. He used to always set
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: up the movies like that. Even from the silent days,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: I think he started doing that slow pan into... you
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: know going into the the building to start the scenes
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: i mean it's the kind of stuff he used to
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: do but yeah 10 times faster and goofier and funny
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: and they find a way to make it work even
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: in this movie but but yeah stuff like that or
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: just the overview of the world that they get those
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: little edited together pieces like the shots of everybody sleeping
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: which again sort of solidifies that this self-contained little world
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: where you get those moments of of The kid behind
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: the counter in Nathan, Arizona, in high ed.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: It really delivers this sort of artistic take that, again,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: in a silly.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: Comedy, doesn't have to be there. But they found a way.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: It's, again, impressive this early on in their career that
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: they are that mapped out and that impressive to put
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: stuff like that in there.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: It's just those little... touches.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: Again, the shot of him going for the baby under
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: the bed at the beginning and then the fact that
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: it's sort of repeated at the end when Leonard Smalls
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: is dragging him.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: Out from under the car.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: That's kind of genius. And the fact that they put
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: that in there and these two young upstart kids making
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: this movie decide to have stuff that thought out in
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: their head and that planned ahead. Again, these are sort
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: of the strokes of master filmmakers and they're two movies in.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: It's so weird to They were this good at this
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: point in their career.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: And that black station wagon.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: That's the perfect car for the movie. I've never even seen,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen a black station wagon
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: until that.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: Well, now you really want one.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: To wrap up for me, I don't feel like I
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: can do the movie justice talking about it. I mean,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel like, I don't, you know, I haven't,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously, you know, when I get to listening
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: back to the episode, I'm going to be like, can
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: I do this movie just to me? It's so perfectly
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: put together, almost everything. And sure, all movies have their flaws,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't recommend this highly enough to anybody. I
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: can't imagine you listening to this show and not have
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: seen it.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: I would hope at this point.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really great movie. I was so pleased
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: to watch it again And I don't know. Overall, I
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: guess their films are darker, but.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: Somehow it doesn't bother me because I love my skull-crushingly
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: depressing movies.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: As your daughter has told me.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: I think the thing is, like, sometimes you look at
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: a movie and you get involved with the characters and
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: terrible things happen and you may feel like, there but
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: for the grace of God go I. But another way
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: of looking at it is, see you, see you, wouldn't
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: want to be you. It depends on how you view
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: the movie.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: Again, at least that's not me.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: Joking about that. I mean, it's not like you're taking,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: it's not weltschmerz, like you take pleasure in the misfortune,
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: but I mean, it is a fiction. It's a fiction,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: and it's, I don't know, the uplifting part is just
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: the sense of connection with the vision of the artist.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: As bleak as it is, there's like a connection in
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: the clarity of the vision. And that's the real thing
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: in the movie. The actual terrible things didn't really happen.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: The cool thing that happened is that these people put
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: together this great thing. I don't know.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 4: I give up. That's the best I can do for now. Alright,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: if that wraps it up. Let's go to Denny's. I'm
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: all for that, but Do we want to walk in
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: the bowling alley? At least take a look at these shenanigans?
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: Well, assuming there's not.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 5: Choosing a family movie is tough. It seems like all
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 5: Hollywood can do is make mindless drivel that rots kids' brains.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: Who wants to see a movie like.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 26: What my dad watched when he was a kid. Those
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 26: films are so boring and the special effects are horrible.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 26: The movies he grew up with are.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 11: Sometimes a big surprise.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: I at times feel uncomfortable watching movies I loved when
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: I was younger with my own kids because I forgot
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: how much cursing, sex, and violence they showed back then.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 26: All we want to do is watch a fun movie
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 26: that we all like.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 5: That's why we created Family Movie Night, a podcast where
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 5: we review movies from an adult.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 11: Perspective and from a kid's perspective.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: So you can find movies for your whole family to enjoy.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 26: We review new movies.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 5: Old childhood favorites, cult and foreign films, and Godzilla.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 26: So check out Family Movie Night on the web at fmnpodcast.com
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 26: or find us on iTunes.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 14: Bye!
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 23: We are family.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 4: We are family.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 7: Maybe you've never been in a bowling establishment before. Or
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 7: perhaps you have, and it wasn't this kind of place.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 7: The carefully supervised kind that millions of discriminating bowlers take
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 7: for granted today. In the approved places, where bowling is best,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 7: you'll always find a healthful, wholesome, family environment.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: So we are here in the bowling alley, as you
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: can tell. surrounded by costumes. Do we need to describe
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: some of our favorite costumes?
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: The costumes. There's plenty of people in robes, but that's okay.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: The Lego is quite amusing.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: There is a Lego version of John Goodman. Life-size, mind you,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: but Lego style.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: The man dressed up as the rug.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 14: There's a rug here that is really tying the room together.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 4: That is pretty impressive.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 16: And you're right.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of good John Goodmans.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 15: There are a bunch of dudes walking around, but it
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 15: appears to be hard to get a long sweater.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: They've all got short sweaters. And we'll make fun of
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 4: them and call them out for it every time. We're
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: sticklers for this.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: This sweater is a pretty good one, though. It's pretty close.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: It needs to be a little bit more tattered.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 4: A little lived in every day of your life.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 15: Then there are a lot of people just wandering around
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 15: as characters who I'm pretty sure are.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: Not in the movie.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're playing a lot of, wait, wait, what's the reference? Oh, okay,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: I get it. And then every once in a while?
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: No, not a clue.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: There was some prairie woman.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 4: There was the 50s lady.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: In a little gingham dress or something. What was that about?
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: We're trying to decide on the king and queen. Would
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: it be.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 11: Funny if people confused, like people weren't sure about Lebowski
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 11: Fest and they confused it with like the full Monty
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 11: or something and people came dressed up like characters of
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 11: the full Monty?
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 4: They'd just all be naked, right?
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: Are we going to go up and ask anybody, who
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: the fuck are you? Who do you think you are here?
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: That's your job.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 16: Go for it.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: What am I missing?
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, there's the king and queen.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: Should I go ask them?
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 4: If you want.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 15: I don't understand the costume.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 16: Is there a king and queen in the movie?
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: The royal we.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 10: The royal we.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: You know the editorial we?
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 23: All right.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: Cognitive business is all gone now.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: The royal we.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 4: Ah, see?
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 15: See?
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: If you're clever enough, I guess you've got to get points.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 15: I guess you could bring in a Nintendo system with
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 15: a crown on it.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know, that would be the other way to
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 4: do it. That's pretty awesome, actually. Please get on that
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 4: for next year.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 12: Have we addressed her life is in your hands yet?
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 4: Did you see them?
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 14: They have to stand together, or it doesn't make sense.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just saw her life. and and fingers i remember.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: The toe i didn't know the fingers what was that
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: about i still like the the one earlier that new
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: shits come to light with the giant mound.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 16: Of crap on their head and uh yeah but.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: She told somebody she was a shithead.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 14: Yeah i think That's the fucking money you should have.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: This guy's got the look together pretty well coming up
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: behind here.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 22: All right.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: They seem really happy I asked.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: And I like if you're just kind of a slacker girl.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: All you have to do is put on the bikini
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 3: and you're bunny.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: Right. Done. You can commit to the toenail polish though.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: That's something. Can somebody come as Amy Mann and chop
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 4: their toe off?
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 21: Because that would be pretty awesome.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: That's dedication right there.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: I guess it's hard to find a Jesus suit.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 15: I always felt like there needed to be a sequel
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 15: to wrap up the Jesus story.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: I would think.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: At this point, we'll get to that later.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 4: Well, there was a.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 14: Rumor about it.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: That sort of killed everything.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you really can't record now.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 4: Not so much, man.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 11: Okay, Lucy's leaving.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: Goodbye.
• 2:09:31
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• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: This was great. Thanks for being here.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 17: Don't be shy.
• 2:10:09
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• 2:10:12
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• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: On by, on by. On by, on by.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 5: It's part of your problem, you know, you haven't seen
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 5: enough movies All of life's riddles are answered in the
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 5: movies And now, on with the show.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 17: Por el camino del desierto, el viento me despeina, suelo
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 17: aroma de colita, no nada, nada de labio. Ella de
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 17: lo lejos, una luz en tela, la idea de Meján.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 17: Such a lovely place, such a lovely place.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I would have looked really bad in the customer
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: complaints line.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 4: I'm glad you told me that.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: Could you invent some cheap little way that I could
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: keep these from getting tangled?
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 18: Yes.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, here. And I wish I were taller.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: All right, what else do we need?
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: A latte. I just want you to know that I
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: got that Seinfeld reference.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 4: What? That's all I need to know. That's all I
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 4: need to know.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean much earlier?
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, just now?
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I were taller. Oh, I wish.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: It was Elaine's New Yorker cartoon. My place is a sty.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 4: He slept with your wife. No, that's a complaint. All right.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 4: All right, so we are back out here, sort of,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 4: in the vehicle.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: We're wrapping up for the evening. You're Lebowski'd out, are you?
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: oh yeah there was there was a lot of people
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: in a lot of costumes and and yeah it's it's
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: amazing the amount of people that are that are just
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: fully embraced it it is it is crazy out of
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: control it's yeah yeah especially the costumes it is one
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: step away having been to a comic-con for years now
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: it's in this you know relatively normal size bowling alley
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: to cram that many people in costumes It's amazing that
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: it's on that level already, that people already are planning
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: ridiculous costumes a year out, probably. I'm sure the guy
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: with the rug has been building that PVC armature for
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: how long now, or the giant Lego guy. The Lego guy,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: that's a good year of work right there.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 4: That was a really good idea.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: Really well done, yeah. So it's amazing the amount of...
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: to the fan base that is built up behind this
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: thing now. It is, it is out of control.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 11: You know what made me really sad about the Lego guy?
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 11: There was no Lego dude, but just made me think
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 11: that guy has no friends.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: He just doesn't click with anybody.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: We have friends.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: All right. In a way to wrap up, I thought
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: we'd do, this was one I found last week and
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: thought it was a nice way to work it in
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: as a, We'll do a miniature What's the Buzz here
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: to wrap things up.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 9: Groovy.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: So it says, like many top directors, Joel and Ethan
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: Coen have many projects that they talk about working on someday.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: For the Coen brothers, this list includes the sequel Old Fink,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: a Jesus-centric spin-off of The Big Lebowski, and an adaptation
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: of the James Dickey novel To the White Sea. Did
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 3: we not say earlier there should be a Jesus side project?
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought there was a rumor about it. I
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: didn't know they were actually thinking of it.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: It says, following a comment earlier in June that they
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 3: were working on a music-related script, it is revealed this
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: week that Joel and Ethan Cohen are working on a
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: script loosely based upon the life of folk singer David
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 3: Von Ronk. David Von Ronk was a central figure in
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: the Greenwich Village folk scene in the 1960s, and his
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: friends included singers who rose to greater fame, such as
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: Bob Dylan, Ramblin' Jack Elliott, and Joni Mitchell. Von Ronk
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: died in 2002 in his memoir, The Mayor of McDouglas Street,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: which was published in 2005, and is serving for the
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 3: basis of the Coen brothers' script. So, along with the
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: other two in the Weird Jesus side project of Leviglowski,
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: now they're doing a folk musical?
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: I think I've heard about that guy, because I think
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: he was the guy that in the FBI files on
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: John Lennon, they had a picture of him instead of
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: John Lennon. How could they not know who a Beatle
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: was at the height of their fame? But somehow they
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: got the wrong picture in the file.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 14: Nice.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it says, Coen's have already said that the
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: script will be similar to movies like Margot at the Wedding,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: suggesting a use of natural dialogue and a sense of
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: being dropped in the middle of an ongoing community. The
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: project will also include musical performances in the way that
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: could be seen as a follow-up to Oh Brother Where
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: Art Thou? So, that is the next big... That one,
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: I guess, is the most official of the ones on
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: the rumor mill of what they're sort of kind of
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: working on in the background. A folk musical? Again, always
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: going in weird, different directions.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see them doing something like Margot at
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: the wedding because it's funny, but it's brutal. Yeah.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 4: It's just brutal. So, yeah, hopefully.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: It almost seems typical for them now. I mean, I
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: can see that fitting right in with the rest of
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: their movies. So, yeah. And it's one of those things
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: where I can't judge them and their direction and what
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: they know is right for them.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, each one seems like it's a little
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: weirder and different. And just sort of opening the spectrum
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: up more and more.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the same thing. You can go backwards.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: Year and a half ago and hear me go true
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: grit really what the.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: Hell no so i mean i heard about that it's
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: like they're doing what.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah so i mean but even then i remember going
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: but it's the gun brothers they can make it work
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: so it's like same thing now i'm just like full
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: musical thing it was like i can kind of see
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: them being interested in that so all right go with
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: it you can't argue with them but But at least,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: once again, according to this, there is a Jesus-centric spinoff
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: of The Big Lebowski.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: That always felt unfinished somehow. It's like, wait, wait, but
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: what happened with the bowling... You hate.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: The character, but you want more information about the character.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know if a full movie, though.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 4: I wonder.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: It seems like you could have a little 15-minute short
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: film about him that's pretty funny.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: I just want 10 more minutes or something. And then
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: the bar scene.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: 90 minutes, I'm like, are we going to get an
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: SNL movie? Is it just going to be a skit
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: that goes on way, way too long?
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah i don't know but they also have this history
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: of just messing with their audience so i don't know.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: About all of these they could be playing getting done
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: but this last one seems a little more official so
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: yeah full musical well before we go i did want
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: to say a Specifically Will and Scott who put it
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: together and have put it together since day one. And
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: have sort of built it into this big deal that
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: it is now. It's found its following and it's kind
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: of amazing. So points to them for finding that niche
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: and putting together something really cool that people have taken to.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: So good for them if it sounds like something you're
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: interested in. It's now hitting tons of cities, like way
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: more than you would have ever expected. So if you're
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 3: not familiar with it and it seems like something you
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: would be interested in, go to LebowskiFest.com and check it out.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: They've got listings for all the cities that are coming
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: up and who they've got planned. They've got bands that
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: play at every one. They've got showings of the movie.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: They've got bowling. So it's all sort of tied into
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: a whole couple, well, at least here, it's a couple
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: of days worth of fun.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 3: How the schedule changes in different cities, so you'll just
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: need to go to LebowskiFest.com and find out where the
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: closest stop is to you and go.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 4: Check it out.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: All right, anything else we need to pass along this
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: Lebowski episode?
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was cool.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: I think I'm out of practice in being among the crowds. Yeah,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: when I started going up to people and annoying them,
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: that's when I thought I... okay, this is how I
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: should do this. Because these people want to be annoyed,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: it turns out.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: When you're dressed in a costume, in that scenario, yeah,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: they kind of do want attention.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 4: You feed the ego a little bit. It's okay, they
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 4: need that.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: I'm getting back into the swing of human society one
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: of these days.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 4: Well, it will be interesting next week.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: Get out your goater bins, because as of next week,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 3: we will be heading out to Fright Night Film Fest
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: slash Fandom Fest.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 4: And Lord knows what we've got in store there.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: I'm working on many, many ridiculous ideas.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: You're just like the Coen brothers.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 4: Kind of.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm talented in any way like
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: they are. But I'm always meticulously working on some nefarious
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: plan off in the future.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 14: Yes.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, I am. So, yeah, look for that. That's probably
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 3: at least a couple of episodes, I'm guessing, because we're
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: going to be there all weekend. So we'll get a
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: lot of useful stuff out of that. Cool.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 4: I guess that about does it.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. Thank you. so so Thank you.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 10: Hey, he's blow up into funny shapes at all.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 4: Well, no, unless round is funny.
• 2:22:38
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