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Joe Maddon Unfiltered: Ketel Marte no-show, Handling Cal Raleigh/Paul Skenes slumps, Kyle Tucker reset? · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Vintage Joe, the Great Joe Matt and joining us again
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Speaker 1: here on FT Joe. It's great to see. We love
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Speaker 1: these conversations. And I heard you recently talking about Kyle Tucker.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to jump right into that. I think it's
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Speaker 1: such a delicate situation and you mastered the psychology. I
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Speaker 1: know you're humble, but I'm going to say it during
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Speaker 1: your time managing players like this, so just take me
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Speaker 1: through a to Z. How do you handle this? And
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Speaker 1: did you hear Eric Kiros, who had a great career
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Speaker 1: of course, talking about how he thought Kyle Tucker should
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Speaker 1: maybe get a reset in Arizona. Is that a thing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be a thing. Good to see you guys.
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Speaker 3: First of all, thanks for having me back on And yeah,
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Speaker 3: we went through that reduction and I went through that
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Speaker 3: the other day. And when you get such a great player, listen,
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Speaker 3: I was at the front of the list of liking
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Speaker 3: this guy. I think when I saw him with the Houston,
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Speaker 3: when I was with the Angels for a bit there,
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Speaker 3: and even briefly with the Cubs, I thought this guy
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Speaker 3: was as good as Sodo. And I still think you're
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Speaker 3: still You're going to see a nice rebound at some point.
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Speaker 3: But what he's doing right now is so wow, it's
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Speaker 3: just actually had actually hard to believe. So for me, yes,
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Speaker 3: back off. That could be the fake DL. I don't
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Speaker 3: know the IL. There could be something that could be
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Speaker 3: done for that. He needs, he needs, he needs. The
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Speaker 3: reset is whatever the word is, to just get him
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Speaker 3: off his feet, get him away from all of this,
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Speaker 3: let him unwind mentally a little bit. Talk to him.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's got to be a lot of conversation
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Speaker 3: involved with this. I would not suggest trying new things.
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Speaker 3: Do not suggest new batting stances or new approaches and
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Speaker 3: things of that nature. If anything, just go back to
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Speaker 3: his old videos and say this is this is what
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Speaker 3: you look like. Let's get back here, but don't attempt
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Speaker 3: anything new or different.
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Speaker 2: I would not do that.
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Speaker 3: So it would be a lot of listening where's he's at,
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Speaker 3: and you're even furthermore, like what's going on in his
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Speaker 3: private life, personal life? I mean, if you wanted to
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Speaker 3: open up to me about that as his manager, that'd
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Speaker 3: be very interesting to hear also, So this is all encompassing.
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Speaker 2: And then for me, I Ken RIVISI you remember Kenny.
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Speaker 3: At all the sports psychologists mental skills coach that I
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Speaker 3: had with the Angels and then with the Rays and
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Speaker 3: then with the Cubs. Somebody like that really could be
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Speaker 3: very beneficial. Now I know Kyle's a private guy. I
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Speaker 3: understand that. However, at some point somebody's got to open
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Speaker 3: up to somebody. He's got to trust somebody, and you've
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Speaker 3: got to find out from that person with their perception
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Speaker 3: is of what's going on, because it's way deeper than
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Speaker 3: physical mechanics.
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Speaker 2: There's no question about that.
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Speaker 3: It has nothing It has something to do with that,
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Speaker 3: but a lot more to do with about what he's thinking,
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Speaker 3: how he's breathing, what he feels like walking to the
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Speaker 3: ballpark every day, what's going on here? So I really
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Speaker 3: want to know that first before you could really try
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Speaker 3: to decipher and then put together a game plan to
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Speaker 3: bring him back together. But the last thing he needs
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Speaker 3: is more swings, different thoughts, more video study.
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Speaker 2: All that stuff is just going to confuse things, all right.
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Speaker 4: So, but doesn't that have to happen before he's an
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Speaker 4: average player right now in August? Doesn't that have to
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Speaker 4: happen as soon as he gets the organization? Because you played,
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Speaker 4: you played, and you coached when there was very few
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Speaker 4: sports psychologists in the game. It was Harvey Dorfman and
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Speaker 4: anybody else who wanted to do something. And when Harvey
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Speaker 4: Dorfman came up to you when I was with the
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Speaker 4: Blue Jays, people are like, oh, that guy's hitting two twenty.
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Speaker 4: He needs to talk to Harvey. So doesn't that have
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Speaker 4: to happen before? And do you think that's something that
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Speaker 4: you would have to set up as a manager or
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Speaker 4: is that a organizational thing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're I mean, just to backtrack, you're right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, when I had Kenny, we would
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Speaker 3: always set up meetings, group meetings and spring training hitters
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Speaker 3: and then pitchers separately with Ken Rivisa, who was right
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Speaker 3: there with Harvey, because I knew Harvey very well also,
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Speaker 3: So you would get in advance of all this stuff
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Speaker 3: and you lay the groundwork because I never wanted to
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Speaker 3: say you got to go visit Kenny or Harvey whatever.
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Speaker 3: I wanted the player to want to do that. So
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Speaker 3: you have to establish the relationship and the player's got
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Speaker 3: to know, Okay, where's he coming from, Can I trust
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Speaker 3: this guy, what's he going to talk about, etc. Because
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Speaker 3: like you said, it was almost a it's like a
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Speaker 3: scarlet letter when anybody was seen talking to anybody from
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Speaker 3: a mental skills or sports chiatrist, psychology position agreed with
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Speaker 3: all of that.
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Speaker 2: So for me, you get in ahead of all that. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: However, if it gets to the point now where he
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Speaker 3: has not been going through all of that, he needs
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Speaker 3: a process. He needs to slow it down, He needs
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Speaker 3: to be able to breathe, he needs all the different
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Speaker 3: things that provide or permit the routine going from just
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Speaker 3: actually probably just showing up at the ballpark every day,
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Speaker 3: because I know his home numbers have been outrageously bad,
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Speaker 3: So there's something there, There's something going on.
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Speaker 2: But I would want somebody.
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Speaker 3: I would want somebody professionally to help me with this thought,
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Speaker 3: somebody that studies this stuff often er daily, and then
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Speaker 3: and then also try to lay over my expertise as
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Speaker 3: a manager, coach, whatever for many years and then you
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Speaker 3: start developing your game plan. But I think it's a
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Speaker 3: lot more deep deeply ingrained than just thinking that more
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Speaker 3: work or more video study or adjustments are going to work.
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Speaker 5: Oh, I want to ask you about that could tell
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Speaker 5: Marte situation. How difficult of this situation is it for
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Speaker 5: Tory Lavello and how would you handle that situation if
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Speaker 5: you were his manager?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been reading about that. Well, first of all,
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Speaker 3: it's the knee, and then there's a personal problem. Correct,
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Speaker 3: that's well, he just did he.
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Speaker 2: Just didn't show up.
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Speaker 5: He just didn't show up. One day he flew with
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Speaker 5: the team of Austin and he just didn't show up
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Speaker 5: to the field. And then the following day they said
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Speaker 5: he they sent him back home to get a MRI,
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Speaker 5: but he just didn't show up, no contact with the team.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's not cool, as we all know that. Again,
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to fly off the handle. First of all,
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Speaker 3: I would definitely i'd be concerned, why is he not here?
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Speaker 3: Track it down? What's going on here? Is is he
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Speaker 3: all right? That's always going to be my first concern,
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Speaker 3: is the guy okay? Because it's such abnormal behavior, you
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Speaker 3: just can't assume or you can't get angry because somebody
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Speaker 3: pulls something like this. There may be a even though
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Speaker 3: it's it's not acceptable, we don't want this, it's you
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Speaker 3: just can't do that here. However, I would want to
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Speaker 3: know more about it, so i'd have to do that research.
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Speaker 3: First of all, the new thing, I guess that had
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Speaker 3: been coming on for a bit or it's been talked
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Speaker 3: about So there's probably something there, but it sounds as
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Speaker 3: though whatever's happening in his personal life really is supersedes
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Speaker 3: all this and is way more important. So I would again,
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Speaker 3: this is see, I'm all about conversation and trying to
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Speaker 3: get down to the whys here, and that's just what being.
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Speaker 3: Just just talk to me, man, just open up what's
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Speaker 3: going on. And this is where the level of trust
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Speaker 3: has to be established, The relationship has to be built
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Speaker 3: so that I can have this conversation with you. You can't
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Speaker 3: have this with me and know that I'm not going
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Speaker 3: to carry it anywhere else. I mean, I often had
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Speaker 3: conversations with players and I would say, listen, whatever you
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Speaker 3: say to me stays between you and I unless you
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Speaker 3: give me permission to speak to somebody else about this.
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Speaker 3: And I would ask, like I'd say, for instance, you know,
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Speaker 3: I really this might be beyond my pay grade. I
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Speaker 3: don't really have a good idea what the next step
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Speaker 3: should be, which you mind I spoke with so and
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Speaker 3: so the player would say yeah, absolutely fine, or if
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Speaker 3: he said no, I prefer you not do that, it
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Speaker 3: would stay right there.
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Speaker 2: Your your guys got to know that. And so this
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Speaker 2: is this is very difficult.
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Speaker 3: I mean for Toy right now, absolutely, but I would
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Speaker 3: be more concerned about him finding out what's going on
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Speaker 3: there first.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like the nia's almost secondary. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: My follow up too is you talked about conversations. We
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Speaker 5: know how important could tell Marte is to the Diamondbacks,
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Speaker 5: and this is a team fighting for a postseason a
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Speaker 5: wildcard spot. Do you have a conversation with the rest
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Speaker 5: of the team about maybe deflecting kind of the distractions
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Speaker 5: that come with this.
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Speaker 3: It depends, It just really depends on on what level
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Speaker 3: this is. At a lot of times I would go
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Speaker 3: to like the veteran players, and I would tell them
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Speaker 3: what I can't tell them and ask them to possibly,
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Speaker 3: like you know, pass it along among the group guys
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Speaker 3: that are very influential this. If this continues along this path,
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Speaker 3: the if it's something that's going to require more time, yes,
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Speaker 3: I may have to call some kind of a gathering there,
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Speaker 3: because I'm not really big on that stuff.
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Speaker 2: But when it's absolutely necessary, of course, I would.
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Speaker 3: Normally I start with the most influential guys in the
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Speaker 3: room and let them spread my lead bulls. I always
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Speaker 3: had my lead bulls right in my meeting in spring training,
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Speaker 3: and I would really try to empower certain members of
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Speaker 3: the team in the clubhouse that really have that cachet
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Speaker 3: about them that there's no question coming from anybody else
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Speaker 3: in the clubhouse when this person speaks. I think when
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Speaker 3: you do empower your lead bulls within your group, the
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Speaker 3: place has a tendency to run better, because a manager
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Speaker 3: should be the last line of defense regarding putting out
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Speaker 3: a forest fire fire within the clubhouse, the first line
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Speaker 3: is always going to be those dudes that really should
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Speaker 3: be feel empowered to take charge in the moment. So
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Speaker 3: that's probably what I would have done. I would have
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Speaker 3: gone there first, and then if I felt like it
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Speaker 3: reached a more critical point where it was necessary for
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Speaker 3: me to intervene, than I would That's why I've always
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Speaker 3: done things. I like the idea of empowerment. That's the
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Speaker 3: way the world used to work. It's not so much
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Speaker 3: too much. Today's world is about control, and I've always
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Speaker 3: believed about empowering. I believe those that want to control
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Speaker 3: everything all the time, those voices were out very quickly
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Speaker 3: and people stop listening to you. Whereas if you empower
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Speaker 3: a group that way, you have this group discussion that
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Speaker 3: we all come to conclusions that we all have, I
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Speaker 3: mean among the lead bull group, and you have this
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Speaker 3: concessus kind of thing that gives it more power among
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Speaker 3: the rest of the group.
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Speaker 2: So that's what I like to do.
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Speaker 4: Cal Raley. Cal Raley's struggles this year are very evident,
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Speaker 4: and it's more highlighted because he had a sixty homers
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Speaker 4: almost MVP season. How do you go about that as
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Speaker 4: a manager when you have seen the highest of highs
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Speaker 4: and the lowest of low in back to back years
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Speaker 4: from your star player, but you are also trying to win.
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Speaker 4: It's getting to a point where you might need to
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Speaker 4: give a guy a day off that you, as a
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Speaker 4: manager last year didn't give any days off, so it
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Speaker 4: could be partially you to blame.
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Speaker 3: I wrote that down when I saw the topic. You know,
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Speaker 3: he caught like one hundred and twenty some games, but
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Speaker 3: he also dated primarily on those other days, so there
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Speaker 3: really was very little downtime. And that's such, as you know,
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Speaker 3: a real exhausting position. People have no idea unless you
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Speaker 3: catch and those that we you know, I was a
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Speaker 3: backup catcher. I played a couple times a week, and
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Speaker 3: you could absolutely do that.
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Speaker 2: It's sustainable.
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Speaker 3: But when you're a guy, I mean, you're an everyday
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Speaker 3: major league baseball player, just as a position other than catching,
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Speaker 3: that's tough enough. But if you're an everyday player in
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Speaker 3: the major leagues as a catcher, Wow, physically and mentally,
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Speaker 3: that's about as difficult as he gets in In today's game,
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Speaker 3: where there's so much information that's the catcher becomes a
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Speaker 3: conduit between whomever front office dugout to the pitching staff
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Speaker 3: and whatever starters, relievers, everyone.
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Speaker 2: It's taxing.
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Speaker 3: I just think last year may have just beat him
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Speaker 3: up a little bit more than he knew in the
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Speaker 3: fact that they played so late into the year. Recovery
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Speaker 3: was different. And then he goes right into the WBC
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Speaker 3: at the beginning of the season. There's a lot going
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Speaker 3: on there, and there's a lot going on in that position.
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Speaker 3: I believe he's going to come back. I'm a big
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Speaker 3: fan of this guy. When I first saw him when
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Speaker 3: I was still at the Angels, tremendous bat speed. I
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Speaker 3: liked him behind the plate. He has a presence about him.
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Speaker 3: There's so much to love about this guy. But right
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Speaker 3: now he does need rest. He does need a more
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Speaker 3: scheduled rest period, not just using the days off like
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Speaker 3: I e.
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Speaker 2: Wilson Contreras.
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Speaker 3: When I had Wilson just breaking him in, I tried
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Speaker 3: to not use him more than three days in a row,
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Speaker 3: and then when it got towards the end of the season,
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Speaker 3: I let it go to four. It was really crucial
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Speaker 3: and critical, and I thought he was fine. So guys
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Speaker 3: like Rawley, I would say three days in row, max,
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Speaker 3: give him that day off. See that the day off
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Speaker 3: starts after the game the night before. If you know
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Speaker 3: you're going to get the next day off, you leave,
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Speaker 3: you go home, you turn it off, You get up
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Speaker 3: the next morning, maybe sleep a little bit longer, your
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Speaker 3: routine changes. I'm totally turned off. I don't turn that
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Speaker 3: dial up at all. And then this whole day actually
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Speaker 3: does become an off day. Those kind of oasis moments
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Speaker 3: could really empower a player. So that's what I would
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Speaker 3: do with him. I'll put him on like listen, three
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Speaker 3: maybe two, I don't know, two in a day off,
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Speaker 3: but three in a day off.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 3: We're going to do this for the rest of the year.
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Speaker 3: And if there's really a tough picture for him. I
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Speaker 3: don't know what side he's doing better or I mean,
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Speaker 3: I know he's not doing well from either side.
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Speaker 2: But if there's a really bad matchup, don't let him play.
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Speaker 2: Don't let him play just from history.
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Speaker 3: So just try to build them up slowly, but by
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Speaker 3: next year, I want to see what happens. I have
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Speaker 3: a lot of faith in this guy.
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Speaker 5: I want to talk to you about the Yankee sitting
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Speaker 5: down Anthony Volpi. You know what advice would you give
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Speaker 5: him if you were the manager in that situation, And
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Speaker 5: tell me about maybe a conversation you had with someone
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Speaker 5: that was a little bit more established like Anthony Volpi
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Speaker 5: when you send him down, Oh what happens?
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Speaker 2: It happened?
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know how established Schwerber was or
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Speaker 3: Ian happ was, but guys like that with the Cubs
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Speaker 3: had to send him back out. I'm trying to quickly
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Speaker 3: think back in my Devil Ray days and raised days,
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Speaker 3: but I know what did happen. What you do is
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Speaker 3: it's it's where they're gown good And I know they
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Speaker 3: don't believe that. They don't want to, they don't want
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Speaker 3: to accept that. Talking about this before, you just be straight, right,
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Speaker 3: between the eyes, honest with them. They're not gonna like it.
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Speaker 3: They're not gonna accept it. They're gonna think you're wrong.
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Speaker 3: They're gonna go to their buddies immediately after that meeting
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Speaker 3: and say, do you believe this that they're sending me
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Speaker 3: back down? And this is what he said to me.
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Speaker 3: That's how this all works. And that's okay. But after
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Speaker 3: he comes back, the player comes back two weeks whatever,
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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, everything shifts and he's he's
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Speaker 3: got his breathing back together. He's everything slowed down. He's
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Speaker 3: seeing the ball in volpi situation. Even last year I
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Speaker 3: saw him hitting a ground balls to him at shortstop.
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Speaker 3: He's going down to one knee. I took that as
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Speaker 3: a bad sign. Immediately he lost his ability to play
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Speaker 3: through the ball. Everything became a tentative. Even as you know,
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Speaker 3: look on his face. I'm a face guy. I look
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Speaker 3: in the faces, good face, bad face, and sometimes you know,
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Speaker 3: if anybody's just like really wrapped up and it's getting
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Speaker 3: too quick, you could see it very quickly. And that's
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Speaker 3: what was going on with him. So these are the
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Speaker 3: kind of you'd be very, very honest with him. I
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Speaker 3: would not doubt or I would not be surprised if,
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Speaker 3: in fact, he becomes more of a utility guy to
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Speaker 3: play shortstop. If he wants to get back to that position,
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Speaker 3: he's got to stay on his feet more. You've got
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Speaker 3: to play through the ball better. The arm's got to
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Speaker 3: be more accurate. Those are the kind of things he
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Speaker 3: needs to get done to be able to be a
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Speaker 3: regular major league shortstop. I thought when he first came up,
16:47
Speaker 3: I thought he was kind of the glue of that group.
16:49
Speaker 3: But all of a sudden again things might have started
16:51
Speaker 3: to mentally gotten too quickly, gone too.
16:54
Speaker 2: Quick for him.
16:55
Speaker 3: So those are the things I would do with him straightforward.
16:57
Speaker 3: This is the game planned is that we're talking about,
17:00
Speaker 3: and let him work on that stuff and don't rush
17:02
Speaker 3: him back. There's no reason to rush him back. The
17:04
Speaker 3: short stop they got up there right now. I like
17:06
Speaker 3: that kid a lot. I saw him. I think his
17:09
Speaker 3: first game up, he's got the right look. He moves,
17:12
Speaker 3: he moves really well, he smooth, his actions on the
17:15
Speaker 3: field are outstanding, and I think he's going to hit.
17:19
Speaker 2: That's good. Steff.
17:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a huge Lombard fan too. Of what we're seeing.
17:22
Speaker 1: I mean, the glove looks like it was ready two
17:24
Speaker 1: years ago. So one follow up on this because I
17:26
Speaker 1: know you have watched Folby over the years, and yeah,
17:29
Speaker 1: a lot changed over the last couple of years. Have
17:32
Speaker 1: you ever come across or how does a manager deal
17:34
Speaker 1: with a situation where maybe, and I'm not saying this
17:36
Speaker 1: was the case with Boonie, but where maybe you're looking
17:38
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, there are better options out there
17:40
Speaker 1: at shortstop, but the front office is really pushing this
17:43
Speaker 1: guy on us because he was a highly regarded pick,
17:45
Speaker 1: right and you know he's one of our analytics superstars
17:48
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues. I mean, they give him four
17:50
Speaker 1: full seasons of really, you know, suboptimal baseball when you
17:54
Speaker 1: add it all up at a premium position. They skipped
17:57
Speaker 1: shortstops and free agency trade, et cetera. So you know,
18:01
Speaker 1: does I know a manager doesn't have to say anymore,
18:03
Speaker 1: but can you at least put the recommendation, Hey, guys,
18:05
Speaker 1: I think we might need a different shortstop for next year.
18:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's group it's group talk a
18:11
Speaker 3: lot of times, and you're right, it's going to be
18:15
Speaker 3: even if you're seeing it as a manager of staff member.
18:17
Speaker 3: This isn't the right fellow for this position. We don't
18:20
Speaker 3: see it getting any better right now. You're not going
18:22
Speaker 3: to be able to shout down the group up top
18:26
Speaker 3: the Baseball Ops Department, analytical dudes. It's just the the
18:31
Speaker 3: the power structure is completely reverse regarding making decisions, which
18:34
Speaker 3: there's part of it I'm really good with, and there's
18:36
Speaker 3: part of it I'm not so. Yeah, it's a tough
18:39
Speaker 3: spot to be in for Boonie right there. I think
18:42
Speaker 3: it was pretty obvious. But he his job is to defend,
18:45
Speaker 3: defend publicly. He's not going to criticize Fulpy publicly with
18:51
Speaker 3: all the New York newspapers, the media, et cetera.
18:53
Speaker 2: He can't do that.
18:53
Speaker 3: I mean to destroy the kid's You got to defend, defend, defend.
18:56
Speaker 3: It seems like a great kid, so you're going to
18:58
Speaker 3: do that. Played hard, All that stuff is in order.
19:01
Speaker 3: It's just that things got too quick. And again, I've
19:04
Speaker 3: never been a fan of the way he approaches a
19:06
Speaker 3: ground ball.
19:07
Speaker 2: I just not right.
19:08
Speaker 3: I mean, you're talking about thinking about Gary DiSarcina in
19:11
Speaker 3: Triple A when DSAR was in a slump fielding ground balls,
19:14
Speaker 3: and Desart turned out to be a really good shortstop.
19:16
Speaker 3: I'm up there in Edmonton. I made him hold a
19:19
Speaker 3: baseball in his bare hand and catch everything one handed,
19:22
Speaker 3: and I wanted his feet move, and I wanted to
19:23
Speaker 3: play through the ball. That's all we did. That's all
19:25
Speaker 3: we did. That's all we did. Because everybody thinks it's
19:28
Speaker 3: a two end game, it's not. It's a one handed game.
19:30
Speaker 3: Ground Balls really are actually received one handed. When you
19:33
Speaker 3: get that other hand in the way, become stiff. So
19:35
Speaker 3: I've always put a ball on the bare hand and
19:38
Speaker 3: then you play through the ball with your gloved hand
19:40
Speaker 3: and play through the ball, play through the ball. The
19:42
Speaker 3: other hand will come up when it's necessary. So I
19:45
Speaker 3: went through the same thing with Dsar. Dsar was outstanding
19:47
Speaker 3: on the major league level. It can be fixed, there's
19:49
Speaker 3: no question. But the kids it's going to be like
19:53
Speaker 3: I said, the way he when an infield they bid
19:57
Speaker 3: on Fiel, the shortstop goes down to one knee to
19:59
Speaker 3: feel the room.
20:00
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Speaker 5: I want to ask you about C. J. Abrams, you
21:05
Speaker 5: know the Nats asking him to change positions. Do you
21:08
Speaker 5: think it's a bad idea to ask you got to
21:09
Speaker 5: change a position? You know at this point of the season,
21:12
Speaker 5: how would you handle that situation?
21:15
Speaker 3: Well, I mean if we're first of all, I got
21:17
Speaker 3: to know the kid, CJ and I don't even know
21:19
Speaker 3: what the conversations are like prior to that. Moving forward,
21:24
Speaker 3: do we see this as being something permanent as the
21:26
Speaker 3: guy that's going to take his place, Like, for instance,
21:29
Speaker 3: we took Starlin Castro off shortstop and brought up Addison Russell.
21:33
Speaker 3: We felt as though that was the one significant move
21:36
Speaker 3: that's going to permit us to really short up our
21:38
Speaker 3: defense and be as good as we possibly can be
21:41
Speaker 3: now and in the future. So Abrams, the kid is nice.
21:44
Speaker 3: I mean, he could swing the bat way like the
21:47
Speaker 3: way he moves whatever. But there's a lot of outfielder's
21:50
Speaker 3: playing shortstop these days because I think analytics wants these
21:53
Speaker 3: guys on the infield and they think that that shows
21:56
Speaker 3: up better.
21:57
Speaker 2: I don't.
21:58
Speaker 3: Again, I haven't watched him well enough to really be
22:01
Speaker 3: critical or complimentary. I don't know defensively what that looks like,
22:04
Speaker 3: but I do know offensively, I like what I see.
22:07
Speaker 3: So if they have somebody that they see in the future,
22:10
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with that.
22:12
Speaker 2: Right now.
22:12
Speaker 3: I mean, they're like a barely like a couple of
22:14
Speaker 3: games with low five hundred. I like them, by the way,
22:17
Speaker 3: I like the NTS. I like watching them. There's some
22:19
Speaker 3: young dudes there that I really kind of enjoy and
22:22
Speaker 3: if they get the pitching together, they could be kind
22:23
Speaker 3: of interesting. So if this is something long term that
22:26
Speaker 3: they see that's going to be beneficial for the team
22:29
Speaker 3: and for him with the appropriate guy that we're going
22:32
Speaker 3: to replace him with, I have no issue with it.
22:35
Speaker 4: How do you deal with a guy like Jazz Chislm.
22:38
Speaker 4: Jazz Chism's energy, He's voistous, you know, he's very demonstrative
22:43
Speaker 4: in a lot of things that he does, and sometimes
22:47
Speaker 4: could be perceived from the outside it looks like it's
22:50
Speaker 4: getting in the way when he's in a slump at
22:53
Speaker 4: this point in the season. Do you go to him
22:56
Speaker 4: as a manager and say, hey, I don't want to
22:59
Speaker 4: change who you are, but we got to push through
23:02
Speaker 4: part of what's going on here, and I think these
23:04
Speaker 4: are the things they're getting in the way.
23:06
Speaker 3: Wow, First of all, I love him. I'd love to
23:09
Speaker 3: have worked with Jazz Chisholm. That would have been a
23:11
Speaker 3: blasphem me. You now you're talking about Garrett Anderson and
23:15
Speaker 3: Jimmy Edmonds right now, a gay always played it. God
23:20
Speaker 3: bless him. J played at one level all the time,
23:23
Speaker 3: and it was when he was hitting well, everybody thought,
23:25
Speaker 3: that's just JA BEINGJA. When he wasn't hitting well, they
23:28
Speaker 3: would be critical of what he was doing otherwise, although
23:31
Speaker 3: he had not changed a thing. Jimmy Edmunds, Jimmy Edmunds
23:37
Speaker 3: would be very demonstrative. Also when things weren't going well,
23:40
Speaker 3: he would like hang dog. He would walk back to
23:42
Speaker 3: the dugout head down. People would be all over his
23:44
Speaker 3: body language and they'd be all upset with Jimmy because
23:47
Speaker 3: of his body language. And my mentor Bob Claire would say,
23:51
Speaker 3: don't look, don't look, and he.
23:54
Speaker 2: Was absolutely right.
23:55
Speaker 3: Sometimes you know, we're gonna get caught up in all
23:58
Speaker 3: these little components of a player that really don't matter.
24:02
Speaker 3: I mean, if he's playing hard and if he's getting
24:05
Speaker 3: after it and you know what that's like, and you're
24:07
Speaker 3: talking you see that every day, which his work look like.
24:10
Speaker 2: Some guys are just different. They have different motors. We
24:12
Speaker 2: don't all come.
24:13
Speaker 3: Equipped with the four point fifty four SS or fuel
24:17
Speaker 3: injection or whatever.
24:19
Speaker 2: We all come with different motors.
24:21
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean you have to be revved up
24:23
Speaker 3: all the time in order to be to care.
24:26
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we get confused with that. And this
24:28
Speaker 2: is something I.
24:29
Speaker 3: Learned from a GA, from a Jimmy and guys like that.
24:33
Speaker 3: Of course they cared, of course they cared, but they
24:35
Speaker 3: just the way they handled themselves, portrayed themselves. Sometimes perception
24:40
Speaker 3: was differently. So I would talk to him about it,
24:42
Speaker 3: talk to him about it again. You have to have
24:44
Speaker 3: these conversations. So Jaszism to me, would be one of
24:48
Speaker 3: my favorite des I would want to work with. That's
24:51
Speaker 3: the kind of talent you want. That is super talent
24:54
Speaker 3: right there. He's going to do some things that are awkward,
24:57
Speaker 3: like the lollipop thing, whatever it was, the couple this.
25:00
Speaker 2: Don't do that.
25:00
Speaker 3: I mean, now you're gonna have to answer the questions.
25:02
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to defend.
25:03
Speaker 2: You. Don't put me in that position, brother, it does it?
25:05
Speaker 3: It's not worth it. Come on, So just things like
25:08
Speaker 3: that are gonacur. But this kid here could be so
25:12
Speaker 3: good for so many years, live body, big pop, steal
25:16
Speaker 3: your bag, play several positions.
25:18
Speaker 2: What else do you possibly want?
25:20
Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna ask you about Paul Schames. What
25:22
Speaker 5: are you seeing out of him? Do you see someone
25:24
Speaker 5: that obviously has set the bar so incredibly high for himself.
25:27
Speaker 5: Is he in a slump or are you seeing maybe
25:30
Speaker 5: some dead arm? And how how should the pirates handle
25:32
Speaker 5: this situation?
25:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot going on over the last couple of years.
25:36
Speaker 3: I mean he's went from college and he went I
25:38
Speaker 3: need to jump street here, and all of a sudden
25:40
Speaker 3: everything got amped up. They try to take care of
25:42
Speaker 3: him early on, and they did, but nevertheless, I mean,
25:45
Speaker 3: he is who he is, a big, strong right hander,
25:49
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden things of He's become a
25:51
Speaker 3: little bit more human lately. And that's okay. The thing
25:53
Speaker 3: I've always watched that I was concerned about when I
25:57
Speaker 3: listen and and whatever read about him always trying to
26:01
Speaker 3: invent new things. And I know his workout, his pre
26:04
Speaker 3: routine workout, pregame workout is spectacular. Maybe maybe just back
26:09
Speaker 3: off some things a little bit and maybe just call
26:12
Speaker 3: down the pitches that I'm trying to utilize and stay
26:16
Speaker 3: with what I do best.
26:17
Speaker 2: See, I've always thought, I've always.
26:19
Speaker 3: Like when I had pitchers that would come up with
26:21
Speaker 3: a new pitch and all of a sudden they want
26:22
Speaker 3: to bring it into the game. I would say to
26:24
Speaker 3: them afterwards, you realize you had two or three other
26:26
Speaker 3: choices that were better than that pitch, but you just
26:29
Speaker 3: wanted to insert it, and that ball got whacked around
26:32
Speaker 3: a little bit. Where he has you had three better
26:34
Speaker 3: choices to make. The hitters will let you know when
26:36
Speaker 3: you have to become creative and come up with that
26:38
Speaker 3: next pitch. So again, I don't know enough because I'm
26:41
Speaker 3: not there, but I would just try to streamline what
26:44
Speaker 3: he's doing. Maybe back off the work prep wise a
26:48
Speaker 3: little bit. I mean this whole thing right now, the
26:51
Speaker 3: way baseball handles pregames, this choreograph pregame every day where
26:56
Speaker 3: guys that should have been doing this stuff in triple
26:58
Speaker 3: and double and a ball are now compelled that to
27:01
Speaker 3: do it on the major league level because they have
27:03
Speaker 3: not been taught all the nuances of what their position
27:06
Speaker 3: might require. Back off this work. They don't have to
27:09
Speaker 3: be at the ballpark that early. Back off. It's just
27:13
Speaker 3: like this choreography that's being done because people like to
27:16
Speaker 3: sit upstairs and look down on the field, then see
27:18
Speaker 3: work being done and think that's the answer. Look, how
27:21
Speaker 3: many teams are five hundred or less. Stand look at
27:23
Speaker 3: the al situation and all this stuff that's going on.
27:26
Speaker 3: Does anybody ever think about resting these guys a little bit?
27:29
Speaker 3: Don't you ever think about backing off all the stuff
27:31
Speaker 3: that you're telling them all the time, and how confusing
27:34
Speaker 3: it can be. Their answer has always been seems to
27:37
Speaker 3: be that they want to do more physical work, give
27:41
Speaker 3: more mental things to think about. And the whole time
27:44
Speaker 3: you have a five hundred or less ball club, what
27:46
Speaker 3: are we doing here? It's turned into that everybody's working
27:49
Speaker 3: off the same sheet of music, and nobody even talks
27:51
Speaker 3: about that. I think a lot of the mediocrity is
27:55
Speaker 3: because each they're almost interchangeable. The Baseball's ops department, in
28:00
Speaker 3: each from organization or organization are almost interchangeable because they're
28:04
Speaker 3: all working off the same sheet of music. And there's
28:06
Speaker 3: a couple outliers that are kicking butt, i e. The Brewers,
28:08
Speaker 3: i e.
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Speaker 2: The race.
28:09
Speaker 3: So these are the kind of things that nobody ever
28:12
Speaker 3: talks about and could be the simple solution.
28:16
Speaker 2: I actually do American Legion Week this time of the year.
28:18
Speaker 3: I wanted you to come to the ballpark at five,
28:20
Speaker 3: put your unigram on if you want to take a
28:22
Speaker 3: couple of swings in the cage. Go ahead, I don't
28:25
Speaker 3: want you on the field. Game starts at seven oh
28:27
Speaker 3: five whatever.
28:28
Speaker 2: Six forty.
28:28
Speaker 3: Whatever they're doing, show up just like you did an American
28:31
Speaker 3: Legion ball and whack the first pitch into the gap.
28:34
Speaker 2: It works. You don't have to.
28:35
Speaker 3: All this stuff that they're doing right now is counterproductive.
28:39
Speaker 3: Absolutely one thousand percent believe it.
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Speaker 5: All right, I feel compelled to tell you this because
29:44
Speaker 5: you mentioned Edmonton. I got the honor and privilege to
29:47
Speaker 5: sit down with Mark mclamour yesterday nineteen years by vet man.
29:51
Speaker 5: He said you had the biggest impact on his career
29:54
Speaker 5: when he first got into professional baseball. So I want
29:56
Speaker 5: to tell you that. I tell you that story to
29:59
Speaker 5: ask you. Do you miss it?
30:02
Speaker 2: Oh? I miss? Okay? Speaking of Mark mcklamore, let's look,
30:06
Speaker 2: do you have a minute? Okay?
30:08
Speaker 3: I put extrapolate on Okay, Every every August when August
30:13
Speaker 3: came around when I was rookie bamb manager, I would
30:15
Speaker 3: get the guys out in the bleachers down the left
30:17
Speaker 3: field line at Chemekata Field in Salem, or in this
30:21
Speaker 3: old ballpark in Idaho Falls. And because by this time
30:24
Speaker 3: they're all wanting to go home. They're just they can't.
30:28
Speaker 3: The season gott to be over. I gotta get back home.
30:30
Speaker 3: We gotta with Fluff McLamore. Is that name was Fluff.
30:33
Speaker 3: Fluff wanted to get back to San Diego, all this
30:36
Speaker 3: other stuff. So I sit and don and say, listen,
30:38
Speaker 3: you have to understand one thing. Everything that you miss
30:41
Speaker 3: no longer exists.
30:43
Speaker 2: It's not there anymore. It's in your it's in your head.
30:46
Speaker 3: That's the way that that's what you're when you're we
30:49
Speaker 3: have a quiet moment, you're lying in bed at night,
30:51
Speaker 3: or just you know, just gazing off into the future whatever.
30:55
Speaker 3: Those things don't exist anymore. So you're what you miss
30:58
Speaker 3: no longer is there. So that was was my way
31:00
Speaker 3: to get to motivate them for the last month of
31:02
Speaker 3: the season, because by the time you get home, believe me,
31:05
Speaker 3: where you hung out is not going to be the same.
31:07
Speaker 3: The dudes are not going to be the same, the
31:08
Speaker 3: girls are not gonna be It's not going to be
31:10
Speaker 3: the same.
31:10
Speaker 2: Even though you want it to be, it's not. So
31:13
Speaker 2: baseball is not the same.
31:16
Speaker 3: There's no way that to show up to the ballpark
31:19
Speaker 3: every day and know that you're not able to make
31:23
Speaker 3: an impact based on your experience.
31:25
Speaker 2: It's very difficult. I mean, why do it.
31:28
Speaker 3: You have to have the ability to show up and
31:31
Speaker 3: I'm listen. I'm a collaborator, the biggest one you've ever
31:34
Speaker 3: met in your life, and I will love to collaborate.
31:36
Speaker 3: I want everybody else's come input and ideas. However, when
31:40
Speaker 3: it gets to the point where it's really not needed
31:44
Speaker 3: or sought after anymore, and everything you've done before today
31:47
Speaker 3: does not really matter to what's.
31:49
Speaker 2: Going on, there's no fun.
31:52
Speaker 3: So you could talk to a lot of guys that
31:54
Speaker 3: have done it before, a lot of guys like me.
31:57
Speaker 2: They'll tell you the same thing.
31:58
Speaker 3: And I speak out more because as I can primarily,
32:01
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of guys that will get in
32:03
Speaker 3: touch with me and say the things that I'm telling
32:05
Speaker 3: you right now. I'd like to see just a little
32:08
Speaker 3: bit more in school as opposed to old or news school.
32:11
Speaker 3: I'd like to see the ability to bring your experience,
32:16
Speaker 3: your intuition, your gut feelings to the field and haven't
32:20
Speaker 3: really be obvious because you're setting up the game plan,
32:24
Speaker 3: you are constructing the pitching staff. You are permitting guys
32:27
Speaker 3: to throw one hundred and ten pitches on a night
32:30
Speaker 3: when it's obvious that he can. You're able to make
32:33
Speaker 3: a bullpen guy go three days in a row because
32:35
Speaker 3: you've spoken with him, You've consulted with your bullpen coach
32:40
Speaker 3: and others, and everybody's assured you that he's.
32:43
Speaker 2: Fine to go today.
32:44
Speaker 3: And then you have to like go talk to him,
32:46
Speaker 3: Go talk to Rye selling Glaciers, Hey, Socio, what's going on?
32:50
Speaker 2: Can you really do this? Or Soriano.
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Speaker 3: The guys that I've had in the past, they would
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Speaker 3: be upfront with yes I can.
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Speaker 2: Or no, I need a day. That's why I just
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Speaker 2: eat the honesty. But all these.
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Speaker 3: Metrics and sheets of paper that are placed in advance
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Speaker 3: month by month, and you're and you're trying to figure
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Speaker 3: out who can play and win and when and when
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Speaker 3: they need days off and pictures when to hop off
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Speaker 3: in a bolltpenk I could.
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Speaker 2: Pitch no fun, no fun. So that's it. It's not
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Speaker 2: what it had been, Joe.
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Speaker 4: I still think the majority ninety percent of the game
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Speaker 4: is exactly what you did. Really well, you in you,
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Speaker 4: you delved into the person. Because the game is still
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Speaker 4: played by humans, So you could still make just the
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Speaker 4: same impact. Look at what Steven votes doing, look at
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Speaker 4: what Pat Murphy's doing. Those guys are impacting the person,
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Speaker 4: the players, So you could, you could, You would still
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Speaker 4: do it. Maybe it doesn't look quite the same, but
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Speaker 4: you would still do it.
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Speaker 3: No, I'm not okay, that's if you're going to talk
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Speaker 3: from that level. I'm not disagreeing with that.
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Speaker 2: I could.
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Speaker 3: I mean because I love my guys. I mean I
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Speaker 3: love the interaction. I love the conversation. You know what
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Speaker 3: I love most about the day of going to the ballpark?
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Speaker 3: I love the day, the day with the day, the
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Speaker 3: ingredients of the day, from the moment you wake up
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Speaker 3: and all the little different things you do before you
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Speaker 3: get to the first pitch of the game and then
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Speaker 3: what happens afterwards.
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Speaker 2: I loved the day.
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Speaker 3: And you have to be permitted to fill those moments
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Speaker 3: up the way you believe is the right way to
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Speaker 3: fill up these moments, and not somebody else's perception of
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Speaker 3: what needs to be done right now based on the
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Speaker 3: fact that they've honestly never put together a schedule in
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Speaker 3: their life, and they have no idea what is necessary.
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Speaker 2: So that's it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, you're going to bring a voter who
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Speaker 3: I love, absolutely love voter voters outstanding and Murph and
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Speaker 3: I talk all the time, So yes, I don't disagree
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Speaker 3: with that.
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Speaker 4: All right, you brought up something that's completely off what
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Speaker 4: we were talking about. You brought up the Rays and
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Speaker 4: the Brewers. Do you believe in this market, in this
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Speaker 4: game of baseball, next year they were each given fifty
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Speaker 4: extra million dollars, they would dominate Major League Baseball more
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Speaker 4: than fifty million more than what they're dominating now.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I their their method of operation.
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Speaker 3: Of course they'd be able to find a hire a
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Speaker 3: couple more good players, but I don't necessarily think it's
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Speaker 3: going to ensure the fact that they're going to be
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Speaker 3: even fifty million dollars better than they are. And I
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Speaker 3: don't believe that they're They're they're perfectly fine doing what
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Speaker 3: they do right now.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 3: The the philosophical approach, the the the method they've employed
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Speaker 3: within the clubhouse and the culture they've created.
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Speaker 2: Is really imbued. It's imbued. Man. You can't.
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Speaker 3: It's impenetrable, and I don't even know that. Maybe that
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Speaker 3: would kind of mess things up. I don't know, but
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Speaker 3: I think they're fine. The way they're working their scouting department,
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Speaker 3: their player development department, how they they they ying and
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Speaker 3: the yang it all the time, how they fit pieces together,
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Speaker 3: how they came up with great pitching, how they play
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Speaker 3: wonderful defense.
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Speaker 2: Anybody can do that.
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Speaker 3: I mean, any organization if they apply them else probably
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Speaker 3: can do that with less. Like the daughters have all
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Speaker 3: this money, but big part of their success has been
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Speaker 3: what they've done on a minor league level. So I
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Speaker 3: don't think fifty million dollars really guarantees anything.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they get a better facilities, which is always good,
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Speaker 3: but when it comes to personnel, not necessarily.
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Speaker 1: We went to a lot of directions. Appreciate the extended time, Joe.
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Speaker 1: We had a little bit more today, So thanks for
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Speaker 1: doing that. And oh, on the way out, I do
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Speaker 1: want to make sure everyone knows these conversations also go
36:33
Speaker 1: down on Book of Joe and I listen to that
36:35
Speaker 1: every week with Joe Madden and Tom Berducci. The title
36:39
Speaker 1: of the latest episode is a good one. Spinning some
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Speaker 1: yards yarns. Yarns in case you don't understand my accent
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Speaker 1: of August baseball, Joe, appreciate you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. You guys are wonderful. Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Love having me