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Dream-Vacay-Turned-Nightmare: American mom missing in Belize · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Why do so many US women beautiful young ladies go
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Speaker 1: on a vacation and never come home. Why does that
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Speaker 1: keep happening? We all know about Natalie Holloway. You may
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Speaker 1: have heard of Robin Gardner. They go to Aruba, they
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Speaker 1: never come back. But have you heard of this young woman,
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Speaker 1: Alison Mackenzie, a brunette beauty, goes missing off Belize and
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Speaker 1: I've noticed that nobody's covering it. Alison Mackenzie, and my
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Speaker 1: mind is dead. What happened in Belize? What are the
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Speaker 1: Belize police, the law enforcement they're doing about it? If anything?
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace is that Natalie Holloway all
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Speaker 1: over again. I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: and series Sex one eleven the Triumph Channel. Not only
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Speaker 1: do they go missing, it gets buried. We never hear
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Speaker 1: a thing about it. But I'm very curious what, if anything,
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Speaker 1: our local police doing about it. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at News five. This is Angia Polanco. An
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Speaker 1: immediate search for Mackenzie and Rendezvouki didn't turn up anything.
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Speaker 1: The authorities were called in that same morning. The police
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Speaker 1: Coast Guard searched the area, but Mackenzie was nowhere to
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Speaker 1: be found. Over the weekend. I'll search efforts today proved futile.
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Speaker 1: Since Saturday, we're deployed at one unit. I bought on
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Speaker 1: a crew and they've been doing searches in the in
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Speaker 1: the in the era or friend Devouki UM English key,
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Speaker 1: middle ankey, which those are the surrounding eras U in
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Speaker 1: the era of Friend of Woo. Also this morning, UM,
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Speaker 1: we had the assistance of the BDEA Air Wing who
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Speaker 1: conducted flyovers in the era to see if we if
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Speaker 1: we can spot something from from the from the ear, however,
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Speaker 1: we have not come with anything. Okay, that was the
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Speaker 1: local island reporter and local law enforcement. But I've been
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Speaker 1: studying the case very carefully, and so far I alone,
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Speaker 1: at thousands of miles distance, have come up with three
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Speaker 1: different stories people have told about what happened to this
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Speaker 1: Arizona mom Alison Mackenzie. They can't even nail down a timeline. Big,
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Speaker 1: big problems with the investigation. Let's introduce our guests, an
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Speaker 1: all star panel joining me today. Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor
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Speaker 1: now defense attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction. Bruce Johnson, owner
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Speaker 1: ESP investigations former Chicago Metro scene commander Joseph Scott and Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, does doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com. But first to online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Levi Page, Levi, I don't get it. She disappears. I
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Speaker 1: got three conflicting stories that she's on a catamaran. I mean,
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Speaker 1: here you go. This is their official missing persons doc
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Speaker 1: and it says that she's last thing on a catamaran
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Speaker 1: tour with Ragamuffin Tours. That suggests to me that she's
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Speaker 1: out on a catamaran. She couldn't have been by herself
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Speaker 1: with Ragamuffin Tours, That's what that suggests. Then I hear
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Speaker 1: she was out walking along the beach at two o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning. I find that really hard to believe.
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Speaker 1: And then I hear she was in a tent. I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing all sorts of stories. But let's just start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. How do we think she went missing? Let's
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Speaker 1: just start with her in the US Okay, she decides
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Speaker 1: to take a vacation and it's going to be an
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Speaker 1: extended vacation a couple of months. She's really seeing at all.
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Speaker 1: And just so you know, Fyi Levite, that's what I'm
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Speaker 1: planning to do this summer, not months, but a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks with the children in an r V. We're
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Speaker 1: going to Mount Rushmore, whether anybody wants to or not.
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing Mount Rushmore. Did you see National Treasure? I
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Speaker 1: think that's the name of it. And there was a
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Speaker 1: giant treasure behind one of the noses Mount Rushmore. We're
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Speaker 1: going there, so it's not that hard to imagine she's
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Speaker 1: going to be gone for a while. But tell me
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Speaker 1: about Alison Mackenzie. What do I know about her? She's
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Speaker 1: forty three years old and she is from Prescott, Arizona.
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Speaker 1: She's the mom of two adult children, adult females, and
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Speaker 1: she vanished in Beliefs while on vacation with her boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: And she got to Beliefs in December and was planning
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Speaker 1: on staying until around May fifth, and her family says
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Speaker 1: that she and her boyfriend were planning on buying property
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Speaker 1: in Southern belief Interesting. I wonder if they were going
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Speaker 1: to move there or build a vacation home there. What
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Speaker 1: does she do for a living? What do we know
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Speaker 1: about her? When you say adult, the one has just
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Speaker 1: basically turned forty. Her children can't her two daughters can't
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Speaker 1: be that old. But she goes there, and we know
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend was in his tent at night. So let's
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Speaker 1: talk about why was she going there? Did you say
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Speaker 1: they're looking at buying property, building a home, buying an
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Speaker 1: existing home? What do we know about that? We know
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Speaker 1: that she was gonna looking into her and her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: were looking into buying property in southern Belife. I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen now to you just heard
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Speaker 1: our friends at Needs five there in Belize. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen again, this time to Angia Polanco. While police repard
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Speaker 1: say that Mackenzie was last seen around tent on Friday night,
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Speaker 1: her family claims that they've received information that she was
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Speaker 1: seen going into her tent are on two thirty on
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Speaker 1: Saturday morning. According to police, Mackenzie was drinking that night.
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Speaker 1: Other reports say that Mackenzie didn't appear to be her
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Speaker 1: usual self. So what happened on Rendezvous Key? Did Mackenzie
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Speaker 1: go for a night swim and got swept away or
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Speaker 1: did something more sinister happen on the sandy beaches of
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Speaker 1: this Ideally key information is that she was drinking on
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Speaker 1: Friday night, sir um. Is there anything to suspect that
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Speaker 1: something went wrong or promply on the island. But if it,
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Speaker 1: investigators the island and searches are being conducted to final
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Speaker 1: what are the circumstance that led her to her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: At this time, there's not much to go on. Okay,
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Speaker 1: right there, I'm already getting another story. The flyer says
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Speaker 1: she was lasting on a catamaran tour, and we all
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Speaker 1: know what cadamar ran is. It's kind of I take
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Speaker 1: it to be like a pontoon boat. Is that how
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Speaker 1: you see it, Jessica Morgan? They go really slowly. It's
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Speaker 1: not like a speedboat. It's um. Have you ever been
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Speaker 1: to Disney and they take you on the Pirates of
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Speaker 1: the Caribbean tour? It's going about one mile an hour,
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Speaker 1: That's what I think. I've actually been on catamaran before.
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Speaker 1: And it has kind of a big canvas area in
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Speaker 1: the center between these two outrigger pontoons like you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: generally driven by sale and it might have a motor
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Speaker 1: on it as well, but it doesn't go too terribly fast,
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Speaker 1: and it's kind of stable in these waters. I'm interesting
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Speaker 1: that everybody in her family says she's not a drinker.
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Speaker 1: Not just one person in her family, but everybody in
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Speaker 1: her family says she's not a drinker. So I'm hearing
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Speaker 1: she's out on the catamaran tour. Here she went in
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Speaker 1: her tent two o'clock in the morning. I'm also hearing
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Speaker 1: she's walking along the beach that she's quote acting erratically
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Speaker 1: right there to doctor Bethany Marshall, why is it always
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Speaker 1: the woman who ends up dead or missing as acting erratic?
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Speaker 1: Just another crazy woman, right? I don't like it, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I was just you took the question right out of
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Speaker 1: my mouth. I was thinking, why are victims revictimized? Again
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Speaker 1: and again? The stories I always hear are she's a
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Speaker 1: sex worker, she got drunk, she was dressed inappropriately, she
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Speaker 1: was out till three in the morning, all of these stories.
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Speaker 1: What about painting an accurate picture, which is she's a
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Speaker 1: beautiful woman. If you've seen her picture full of life,
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Speaker 1: going down to Belize, wanting to buy a vacation home,
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Speaker 1: potentially maybe wanting to bring her grown children there, and
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Speaker 1: she was enjoying life and it was snatched away in
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Speaker 1: some way. I don't know if she's alive or dead
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Speaker 1: or what's going on, but this whole experience was snatched away.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's unfortunate that in the press they
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Speaker 1: keep talking about her being inebriated. According to her sister
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Speaker 1: and her grown daughter, they never ever saw her drunk ever.
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Speaker 1: And I do know that they serve rum drink on
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Speaker 1: these trips. I mean that's sort of a Caribbean type drink,
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean she overindulged in it. Prime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance
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Speaker 1: of a young American mom, Alison Mackenzie. We've already gotten
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Speaker 1: at quite a distance, several thousand miles away, have discerned
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Speaker 1: that there are three, at least three stories circulating about
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Speaker 1: her disappearance. Some of them seem to indicate it's somehow
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Speaker 1: her fault that she was drinking. We know for a
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Speaker 1: fact she was not a drinker. So what happened to
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Speaker 1: Alison Mackenzie? Take a listen now to News five Bullies.
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Speaker 1: Did she seem sad? Did she see maybe overly excited?
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Speaker 1: Was she showing? I would say, um, kind of ratic,
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Speaker 1: erroneously And this is what we received after goat her
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Speaker 1: information from the from the tour, from the tour guys
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Speaker 1: who are all there along with them. Have you con
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Speaker 1: learned anything as show maybe her her state? Was she
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Speaker 1: at the press state any at all? So far we
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Speaker 1: have not received them the coin information. It's been two
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Speaker 1: days since McKenzie disappeared without a trace. She's a resident
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Speaker 1: of Prescott, Arizona, and a mom of two girls. She
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Speaker 1: and her boyfriend Paige Rod arrived in Belize in December
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. They were scheduled to return home in May
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Speaker 1: of this year. McKenzie's family in the USA is pleading
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Speaker 1: for help, her mom showing. Mackenzie wrote on Facebook, quote
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Speaker 1: everyone everywhere, I'm asking for your help. We've received three
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Speaker 1: different stories about what happened that morning, none of them
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Speaker 1: consistent with the others. Well, the mom was right. Three
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Speaker 1: stories is exactly what I've got. Why don't they just
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Speaker 1: come on out and say it, Joe Scott Morgan, she's hysterical.
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Speaker 1: That's normally the phrase that they describe women who go
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Speaker 1: missing and they can't find them or won't find them. Somehow,
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Speaker 1: it's the woman's fault because she's hysterical. That is not true.
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Speaker 1: This woman had no history whatsoever of hysterics, of any
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Speaker 1: type of emotional or mental problems. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: she's down there looking for a second property. This is
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Speaker 1: a responsible mom of two young ladies. She's not hysterical,
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Speaker 1: she's not drunk, she's not erratic. So why are they
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Speaker 1: saying that? Well, I don't know. One account that I
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Speaker 1: had come across Nancy actually states that she was going
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Speaker 1: on this trip and ordered not just to find property,
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Speaker 1: but also to take a break to find some peace.
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Speaker 1: Apparently her father and her stepfather both died last year,
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Speaker 1: and she had apparently told family members at that moment
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Speaker 1: time that she was looking for a respite. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know if that's what the genesis of this is.
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Speaker 1: I know from an investigative standpoint that they need to
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Speaker 1: stop releasing these narratives and get to work to try
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Speaker 1: to solve what happened to this woman instead of just
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Speaker 1: speculating all of the places because it drives the story.
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Speaker 1: Release the narratives. Well, put you know, Daryl Cohen, and
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Speaker 1: you have been in the business with me, working in
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Speaker 1: her city, Atlanta crime for so many years. That's a
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Speaker 1: very accurate description. Just releasing one quote narrative I a
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Speaker 1: story after the next, putting it out there and selling
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Speaker 1: that's the truth. Because it was put out there that's
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Speaker 1: not true. Do you remember when Julie Love went missing
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Speaker 1: and everybody, a young preschool teacher, everybody started suspecting her boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: I bet I went in and had more than one
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Speaker 1: conversation with the elected DA mister Slayton, about indicting the boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: He wouldn't do it, said it wasn't time. Yet he
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Speaker 1: was right because it turned out to be someone completely
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Speaker 1: unconnected to her that killed her. My point is, you
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Speaker 1: get one narrative after the next, as Joe Scott puts it,
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Speaker 1: and suddenly, somehow that becomes the truth of what happened.
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Speaker 1: There's no evidence this woman was hysterical, erratic, drunk, nothing
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Speaker 1: like that. What ends up happening, Nancy, is the press
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Speaker 1: picks up something that they think they can run with
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Speaker 1: and the story has legs. But let me throw this out.
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Speaker 1: It's obvious that she had not been a drinker, so
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Speaker 1: I wonder if she had a drink or two on
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Speaker 1: the catamaran, and because she was not a drinker, it
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Speaker 1: affected her in a very different way, much more strongly
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Speaker 1: than it would someone who drinks constantly. And I'm wondering
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Speaker 1: if that may have played a part. Just throwing that
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Speaker 1: out there. Take a listen to what we know regarding
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Speaker 1: huh personality. Take a listen to new seven believes. I
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Speaker 1: will say, it is not like her to be intoxicated,
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Speaker 1: maybe have a drink, but to be intoxicated like I've
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Speaker 1: never seen her drunk in my life. But when I
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Speaker 1: talked to Ragamuffin tours, there was a woman that I
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Speaker 1: spoke to on the phone. Her name was Charlie, and
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Speaker 1: she told me that the captain of the tour was
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Speaker 1: the last person to see my sister. That he that
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Speaker 1: she was walking on the beach after everybody had gone
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Speaker 1: to bed, and which which is not unusual. She absolutely
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Speaker 1: loved the beach. Um she was afraid to swim in
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Speaker 1: the ocean, but she loved the beach. And he said that.
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Speaker 1: And this is what the tour lady told me. Not
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Speaker 1: not the police, and and not Paige. She said that
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Speaker 1: that the captain walked her back over to her tent
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Speaker 1: and m told her that she shouldn't be out at night,
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Speaker 1: and you know, made sure she got back in her tent.
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Speaker 1: So and that was supposedly at like two thirty in
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Speaker 1: the morning, So that a report about ten o'clock at
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Speaker 1: night is confusing to me. We are hearing various timelines,
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Speaker 1: and if you don't have a timeline nailed down, you're
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Speaker 1: up the creek without a paddle. You're not only hearing
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Speaker 1: seven News, believes reporters Charis Househol, but you were also
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Speaker 1: hearing Alison's own sister. I'm very curious as to why
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Speaker 1: no one, even in the States really picked up on
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Speaker 1: Alice's disappearance. Bruce Jawson, owner ESP Investigations. Why is it
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Speaker 1: that some victims get so much attention, so much coverage,
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Speaker 1: and others get practically none. Or she's getting a lot
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Speaker 1: of attention, as you said, because she's a beautiful woman
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Speaker 1: and she's got actually she's got very little attention, Bruce, right,
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Speaker 1: Natalie Hollyway got a ton of attention, Robin Gardner not
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Speaker 1: so much. But Alison Mackenzie. I bet before you told
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Speaker 1: We're told about this story that nobody had heard of
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Speaker 1: it before we started investigating this. Nobody had even heard
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Speaker 1: of Alison McKenzie, and I don't understand why. That is
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Speaker 1: a couple of things they have that in their favor.
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Speaker 1: You know, this was a three day trip that they
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Speaker 1: were going to, so they were going to this island
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Speaker 1: for two nights and three days. So what day or
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Speaker 1: night was it? Was it the first night? Was it
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Speaker 1: the second night? The second thing is there's only fifteen
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Speaker 1: people on this camera, and the island itself in the articles,
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Speaker 1: it's only about an acre big, so there's not a
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Speaker 1: lot of areas to cover. She was reported, you know,
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Speaker 1: fairly quickly. The next morning they noticed that she was gone.
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Speaker 1: So there wasn't a know, a five day waiting period,
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Speaker 1: or they didn't wait till they got back from this cruise.
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Speaker 1: So you have a couple of things in your favor.
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Speaker 1: You have people that are on a small island, there's
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Speaker 1: fifteen people, You have the witness account the last person
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Speaker 1: to see her alive as this supervisor at two thirty
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Speaker 1: in the morning. And then we want to know why
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Speaker 1: they inseparate tense or they you know, each couple in
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Speaker 1: a tent or she in the same tent as her
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Speaker 1: husband or boyfriend, really interesting point. I want you to
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Speaker 1: take a listen now to News five Belize, Angia, Polkana. Today,
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Speaker 1: operations officer of the Blaze Coastguard, Lieutenant Roque Canol confirmed
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Speaker 1: the end of the search. He wrote, quote, we have
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Speaker 1: now concluded the search mission. It's five days today and
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Speaker 1: we think that chances of survival is still Our search
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Speaker 1: policy is seventy two hours, but we had extended it
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Speaker 1: for another day. I sympathize with the family, but we
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Speaker 1: had to put a cut off time end quote. On Monday,
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Speaker 1: Canoe told us that Mackenzie was acting oddly on Friday
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Speaker 1: night before she vanished. He lamented that authorities weren't called
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Speaker 1: in which he believed could have prevented this tragedy. I
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Speaker 1: really wanted to stress on the importance of being attentive
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Speaker 1: from the part of the of the tour GUIDs. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so now somehow they're blaming it on the tour guides.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace for those of you just
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Speaker 1: joining us, we are analyzing the disappearance of another American
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Speaker 1: beauty who goes missing on a vacation in the Caribbean.
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Speaker 1: This time it's Belize. We've all heard about Natalie Holloway.
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Speaker 1: Many of us have heard about Robin Gardner. But this woman,
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Speaker 1: Alisa McKenzie, just has turned forty and she is looking
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Speaker 1: at an investment property or a vacation home. They're in Belize,
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Speaker 1: and somehow goes missing, never seen again. Now theories are
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Speaker 1: out there that she's really living secretly on another island.
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Speaker 1: That's not true. That's not true. Let's just nip that
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Speaker 1: into that is absolutely not true. Is that Bethany jumping in? Yes,
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Speaker 1: because another story that always circulates with female victims is
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Speaker 1: that they got sold into the sex trade, or they
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Speaker 1: took off, left their children, left their family and they're
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Speaker 1: living the life somewhere else. All these narratives, as Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan said, you know, I want to say, this
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Speaker 1: sounds a little bit like an Agatha Christie. Have you
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Speaker 1: ever read Agatha Christie? Every single one, all right, there's
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Speaker 1: always a German and Italian, a Frenchman. You know, people
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Speaker 1: on a vacation from all over the world. It's a
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Speaker 1: very small group and you know, you look at every
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Speaker 1: single member and you take a look at their history
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Speaker 1: and what their motivation would be. The story holes here
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Speaker 1: are that we know nothing about the people who were
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Speaker 1: traveling with her. Who are these people? Have they been interviewed?
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Speaker 1: Who's the tour captain. Let's say somebody has kid kidnapped
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Speaker 1: off the streets in Chicago, right, you get the timeline.
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Speaker 1: You know who that person is. You know what their
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Speaker 1: relationships are like, with their intimates, you know if somebody
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Speaker 1: was stalking them, you know, if they had strange financial
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Speaker 1: arrangements with somebody, or as a spouse or a partner,
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Speaker 1: had just taken a life insurance policy out on them.
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Speaker 1: All of this is missing. We just have three narratives
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Speaker 1: with huge story holes, and it's so frustrating, and in
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Speaker 1: the face of the unknown, we kind of interject all
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Speaker 1: these crazy, wild fantasies. And that's all we have here,
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Speaker 1: are all these wild fantasies. You know what you write.
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Speaker 1: And so often, doctor Bethany, when a woman goes missing,
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Speaker 1: usually the perpetrator or someone says, oh, she went off
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Speaker 1: with another man, a boyfriend, she was tired of her
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Speaker 1: life as a mom or as an officer. This woman
22:42
Speaker 1: was already planning to be in the Caribbean for several
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Speaker 1: months checking out investment properties. She was already with a boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't escaping a marriage or the boredom a family life.
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Speaker 1: That's not the case. So you can't argue that here.
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Speaker 1: And the suggestion out to Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: that she's somehow living secretly on another island. What did
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Speaker 1: you do swim there? Yeah, give me a break. No,
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Speaker 1: that did not happen, Give me a break. And I
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Speaker 1: wanted to go back to something that Bruce had mentioned
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Speaker 1: just a moment ago, and I think this is critical.
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Speaker 1: He kind of broke down the setting. If you will,
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Speaker 1: This is a very limited space and I'm not this.
23:23
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to Jackie how big is believe If
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Speaker 1: you could just look that up for me real quick,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, Joe Scott. Yeah, this island itself is very
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Speaker 1: self contained. And again I'm not trying to diminish the
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Speaker 1: horrible nature of this woman disappearing, but this is a
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Speaker 1: crime scene investigator's dream. You have a contained area, Nancy,
23:47
Speaker 1: You've got you know, Bruce had mentioned the space that
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Speaker 1: they are in where she was last seen is less
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Speaker 1: than an acre essentially. I think the thing's only got
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Speaker 1: ten palm trees on it, and you're completely surrounded by water.
23:59
Speaker 1: There's only one way to get off those In a minute,
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Speaker 1: I've got the authority google country's greatest length north to
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Speaker 1: south one hundred and seventy miles. Its greatest width is
24:11
Speaker 1: sixty eight miles. That's about an hour across and has
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Speaker 1: over two hundred ks or islands right ranging in size
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Speaker 1: from a few hundred feet to twenty five miles. There's
24:23
Speaker 1: no way that she has swam to one of these
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Speaker 1: other islands. Most of them are only a few hundred
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Speaker 1: feet big. That's a big working theory right now. Oh,
24:32
Speaker 1: before I lose this thought, Joe Scott, did you hear
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Speaker 1: the authorities say, oh, we had to call off the search? Why? Why?
24:41
Speaker 1: What else are you doing? Yeah? What else do you
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Speaker 1: have to their dead body? Are you looking for? Na? Yeah? Exactly.
24:47
Speaker 1: And this is one of the problems that we hear
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Speaker 1: over anyth and in these Caribbean islands like this, many
24:53
Speaker 1: many times they fall greatly short relative to crumpsing processing,
24:58
Speaker 1: the processing of forens evidence. You know, you remember all
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Speaker 1: the controversy of the alleged bones that were found in
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Speaker 1: a Ruba, this sort of thing. And so if you
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Speaker 1: don't get to this point in the early stages of
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Speaker 1: the investigation. The whole thing is blown. You're right up
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Speaker 1: the creek with people. How guys, what are you blowing?
25:20
Speaker 1: She's disappeared. It's a small island. She may have swam off,
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Speaker 1: she may have been thrown off. Something could have happened.
25:28
Speaker 1: But what are you going to look for, Daryl? Just
25:30
Speaker 1: so you know, Yeah, there are people that will remain
25:33
Speaker 1: unnamed Jackie, that are laughing right now at what you're saying. Now,
25:37
Speaker 1: I know this has been successful for you, whether due
25:40
Speaker 1: to your charm or this woman did not swim off
25:43
Speaker 1: the islands. Just stop right there and take as saying
25:48
Speaker 1: that she was actually afraid. Did you hear she was
25:51
Speaker 1: actually afraid of being in the water. But I want
25:54
Speaker 1: you to take a listen, Daryl Cohen, to what we're
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Speaker 1: hearing about. Another other timeline set forth about that night.
26:03
Speaker 1: Take a listen. Pedro reported his girlfriend Alison Mackenzie fire
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Speaker 1: the Cheers, missing, informations that the arrive on the island
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Speaker 1: on Friday and were camp intense and she was last
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Speaker 1: seen walking out around the island around ten pm On Saturday.
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Speaker 1: Around six am, Pedrot reported that when he woke up,
26:29
Speaker 1: he could not find his girlfriend and he made his
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Speaker 1: report to what captain, who then conducted a search of
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Speaker 1: the island, and she was not fun informations that she
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Speaker 1: was drinking on Friday night last when News five belieze
26:48
Speaker 1: that was Andrew Polanco speaking to Deputy Head Senior Alberta Romero.
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Speaker 1: And here we have another timeline. Have any of you
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Speaker 1: people on the panel right now? I'm not asking you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, because you're way too glad to rough it.
27:05
Speaker 1: But aside from Bethany, have any of you people ever
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Speaker 1: camped out? Let me start with you leave page jesse
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Speaker 1: A Yes, no, no, I don't like okay. I knew that.
27:14
Speaker 1: I knew that. I just knew without even asking. Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Yes, no, yes, okay. Man's man Bruce Johnson, Yes, no,
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Speaker 1: camped out? Yes? Daryl Cohen, Now, oh that's an iffy one. Darrell,
27:25
Speaker 1: Have you camped out? The answer is yes, though I
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Speaker 1: prefer a nice motel, was a great TV and as much, okay,
27:34
Speaker 1: I knew you would not be able to say yes,
27:36
Speaker 1: no okay, But I don't all that against you. You know.
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Speaker 1: Did you ever argue in front of an appellate court
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Speaker 1: or of any type? Darryl No, okay, because if you
27:47
Speaker 1: had been responsible in the DA's office for legal research
27:50
Speaker 1: and writing appeals, you would have gone to the Georgia
27:53
Speaker 1: Supremes or the Georgia Court of Appeals. And they actually
27:56
Speaker 1: have on your elect turn red, green and yellow lights
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Speaker 1: and to tell you if you go beyond the red
28:06
Speaker 1: you've got, they're gonna come and make you sit down.
28:08
Speaker 1: A belle if is standing there to make you sit down.
28:11
Speaker 1: But I'm not holding the lack of a yes no
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Speaker 1: answer against you. My point is, how do you sleep
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Speaker 1: on the ground on a rock. I've camped out many
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Speaker 1: many times. How do you sleep through the night? This
28:25
Speaker 1: guy is saying. I'm not saying he is guilty of murder,
28:28
Speaker 1: but I am saying, how do you let your girlfriend
28:33
Speaker 1: you know she's out walking on the beach at I
28:37
Speaker 1: think you said ten o'clock at night and you wake
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Speaker 1: up at six? How do you sleep through the night?
28:44
Speaker 1: First of all, in a tent on top of a rock,
28:47
Speaker 1: because that's where I always end up, camping on the
28:49
Speaker 1: top of a rock. That's where I'm sleeping, and you
28:52
Speaker 1: don't notice that the love of your life is gone.
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Speaker 1: I got a problem with that jump in Bethany Okay,
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Speaker 1: if you look at the picture of it, so go ahead.
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Speaker 1: It's less than an acre all at seven or eight
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Speaker 1: beautiful thatched huts, and it looks like they are open
29:12
Speaker 1: to the trade winds. In other words, when you're sleeping
29:15
Speaker 1: at night, you may have an option to roll like
29:19
Speaker 1: canvas wall down, but some people actually just leave those
29:24
Speaker 1: canvas side walls up so they can feel the trade winds.
29:28
Speaker 1: So if she was walking on the beach, not only
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Speaker 1: would the boyfriend have known that she was missing, but
29:35
Speaker 1: she's going to walk within a few heats of all
29:38
Speaker 1: of these other thatched huts where people could see her.
29:41
Speaker 1: So there are so many possible eyewitnesses to what happened
29:46
Speaker 1: that it's inexplicatable to me that there are so many
29:48
Speaker 1: different stories. It would be like if somebody, you know,
29:51
Speaker 1: set up five cots in your backyard and then somebody
29:56
Speaker 1: got up at two in the morning and started walking
29:58
Speaker 1: around the perimeter of the yard. Well, the other people
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Speaker 1: on the cots are going to feel somebody's presence. At
30:04
Speaker 1: least somebody there knows what happened. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: I believe Daryl Cohen is about to call Bethany out
30:26
Speaker 1: for not camping out. But remember when you point the finger,
30:30
Speaker 1: there's three pointing back at you. Not likes to stay
30:33
Speaker 1: in a luxury hotel. But hold on, I go, hey,
30:37
Speaker 1: you were merely going to what I was merely going
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Speaker 1: to point out that Beth and he has obviously not
30:42
Speaker 1: seen the old cowboy in Indian movies where someone would
30:46
Speaker 1: sneak into the village and do whatever backardly deed and
30:50
Speaker 1: then sneak out. Okay, we are hearing that. Sharie Mackenzie
30:55
Speaker 1: stated on Facebook that Rendezvous Island where the couple stayed
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Speaker 1: at night. It's approximately two acres with as I think
31:04
Speaker 1: Joe Scott or someone said, ten palm trees. The tour
31:09
Speaker 1: of the couple took of inaccessible parts. So Belize's reef
31:13
Speaker 1: began at Kaikulker ended at the Guarija, staying in the
31:19
Speaker 1: inner reef where the water is calm. Okay, good point, Jackie,
31:25
Speaker 1: thank you for showing that to me. So what does
31:28
Speaker 1: that mean In the search for Alison Mackenzie. I'm still
31:32
Speaker 1: hung up on the boyfriend claiming he sees her walking
31:36
Speaker 1: out on the beach on the water. She's afraid of
31:39
Speaker 1: beach water. She won't get in the ocean at ten o'clock.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't notice she's not in her tent till six
31:44
Speaker 1: a m. Right, that's eight hours of not noticing she's missing.
31:50
Speaker 1: This is not the first time an America young American
31:53
Speaker 1: girl has gone missing. Let's take a listen to another
31:59
Speaker 1: a cut from an another missing American brand new developments
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Speaker 1: this morning in the case of thirty five year old
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Speaker 1: Robin Gardner, the American tourist who vanished in Aruba more
32:08
Speaker 1: than a month ago, the prime suspect in her disappearance
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Speaker 1: and her travel companion, Gary Giordano, of Maryland, remains jailed
32:15
Speaker 1: as his attorney continues to fight for his release. Fifty
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Speaker 1: year old Giordano says, it all began as a snorkeling
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Speaker 1: trip in Aruba with his thirty five year old traveling companion,
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Speaker 1: Robin Gardner, but it ended with her disappearance and his arrest.
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Speaker 1: I feel in my heart that something happened that at
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Speaker 1: this person's hand. Gardner's boyfriend fears the worst. Stateside, the
32:39
Speaker 1: FBI is also involved. Just over two weeks ago, federal
32:43
Speaker 1: agents scoured Giordano's Maryland home at the request of the
32:46
Speaker 1: Aruban government. The pair headed to Aruba after meeting online,
32:51
Speaker 1: but after Gardner's disappearance, Giordano reportedly stood to gain one
32:55
Speaker 1: point five million dollars in insurance money through a policy
32:59
Speaker 1: he specifically for their five day trip. He apparently tried
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Speaker 1: to cash it in just two days after she went missing.
33:07
Speaker 1: Just so you know, the boyfriend Geordano has never been
33:11
Speaker 1: convicted and the disappearance of Robin Gardner and maintains his innocence.
33:17
Speaker 1: She goes to Aruba and goes missing. Now, the big
33:21
Speaker 1: story was that she, like Alison Mackenzie, went into the water.
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Speaker 1: I just was never seen again. But it was immediately
33:30
Speaker 1: pointed out that she had just had her hair done
33:33
Speaker 1: and she liked doctor Bethany did not like to ruugh it.
33:37
Speaker 1: I believe she had just had a perm Doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: and would not go in the water because it would
33:43
Speaker 1: ruin her hair. I don't know exactly what happens when
33:47
Speaker 1: you have a perm when you get in the water,
33:48
Speaker 1: but I know this, it's bad. Whatever happens. Well, let
33:51
Speaker 1: me tell you the one thing that stands out about
33:53
Speaker 1: the story is that he took an insurance policy out
33:58
Speaker 1: on her right before they went on the vacation. And
34:02
Speaker 1: you know, we always talk about following the money trail.
34:04
Speaker 1: What were her financial arrangements in her life? This woman
34:08
Speaker 1: who went went missing. Did her boyfriend take out an
34:11
Speaker 1: insurance policy on her? How were they going to finance
34:14
Speaker 1: that vacation home they were going to buy? Had they
34:16
Speaker 1: put all of their money into one bank account together?
34:20
Speaker 1: Would he power you're talking about McKenzie. Correct, Yeah, Alison McKenzie,
34:26
Speaker 1: you're right, following the money trail. But Jackie, let's hear
34:30
Speaker 1: about another young woman, an American that goes missing in
34:34
Speaker 1: the Caribbean. In two thousand and five, the eighteen year
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Speaker 1: old from Birmingham, Alabama, vanished from a high school graduation
34:40
Speaker 1: trip to Aruba. Natalie, in a sense, became America's child
34:45
Speaker 1: and Aruba became the center of this international mystery. She
34:49
Speaker 1: was last seen leaving a popular bar with then seventeen
34:52
Speaker 1: year old you're on thunderslot Yorn Vanderslout was not arrested
34:56
Speaker 1: until ten days after Natalie went missing. And I think
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Speaker 1: the news media their involvement forced this. International news crews
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Speaker 1: descended on the tiny island nation as the mystery around
35:09
Speaker 1: Natalie's disappearance became a major story. The enormous American media
35:14
Speaker 1: pressure is what I think drove the Aruban government to
35:17
Speaker 1: understand that this case was not the ordinary criminal case.
35:21
Speaker 1: Vanderslote was never charged. Your on Vanderslote, the prime suspect
35:26
Speaker 1: was such a sleez it was clear that he was
35:30
Speaker 1: not telling the truth. You were hearing from our friends
35:33
Speaker 1: at Fox News that was Jonathan Sirie and earlier from
35:36
Speaker 1: CBS Elaine Quijano. The reality is that all of these
35:41
Speaker 1: women allegedly or in or in or near the water
35:46
Speaker 1: and they just vanish. These are just three. This is
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Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg regarding Americans that go missing
35:56
Speaker 1: while they are on vacation, specifically in the Caribbean. The
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Speaker 1: reality is Natalie Holloway's body and Robin Gardner's body, Alsa
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Speaker 1: McKenzie's body have never been found. We don't know what
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Speaker 1: happened to them. To Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Levi Page, what is the latest in the search for
36:20
Speaker 1: these women. Of course, there's no search going on right now.
36:23
Speaker 1: Their bodies haven't been found. In fact, a lot of
36:25
Speaker 1: people have forgotten about the cases. So Natalie Holloway, Nancy,
36:29
Speaker 1: she was at a bar, Carlos and Charlie's and she
36:32
Speaker 1: left with your on Vanderslot. He was the last person
36:36
Speaker 1: to see her alive on the beach at midnight, and
36:39
Speaker 1: he told several stories. He said that he left her
36:43
Speaker 1: there on the beach and he went back home. He
36:45
Speaker 1: then said that she started convulsing and then he dumped
36:48
Speaker 1: her body in the ocean. Then he said that he
36:51
Speaker 1: sold her into sex slavery, and then he tried to
36:54
Speaker 1: extort her mother, Beth Holloway, saying I'll tell you where
36:58
Speaker 1: her body is if you give me money. And when
37:01
Speaker 1: he is finished serving his prison sentence in Peru, he's
37:04
Speaker 1: going to be extradited to Alabama to face trial on
37:08
Speaker 1: that case. So that case has never been solved. And
37:13
Speaker 1: with Robin Gardner, she was allegedly snorkeling, according to Gary Giordano,
37:19
Speaker 1: and the current took her away. But people found him
37:24
Speaker 1: suspicious because he had scratches on it. He took out
37:27
Speaker 1: a life insurance policy before they went to Aruba, and
37:33
Speaker 1: there was a civil suit that her family filed against him,
37:36
Speaker 1: and he was found guilty in a wrongful debt suit.
37:39
Speaker 1: But he's not never been a read, never jail time,
37:44
Speaker 1: maintains his innocence and suspicions do not a murder conviction
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Speaker 1: make bread. What is the big difference, out to Bruce Johnson,
37:53
Speaker 1: owner of ISP Investigations, Bruce, the big difference in American
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Speaker 1: police investigations as opposed to the investigations on the Islands, Well,
38:04
Speaker 1: we always do a complete and thorough investigation. We start
38:08
Speaker 1: from you know, obviously, we create a timeline first and
38:11
Speaker 1: we work backwards. So in the case we're speaking of,
38:14
Speaker 1: the timeline is there, the location is there? Don't you
38:17
Speaker 1: have a limited amount of people. I don't know about
38:20
Speaker 1: the timeline because but but I agree with you as
38:23
Speaker 1: to how we typically move forward in the States. But
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Speaker 1: did Joseph Scott Morgan The timeline is muddy and all
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Speaker 1: of these I think Natalie Holloway was slipped to rufy
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Speaker 1: ghb gamma hi joxybuty rate, the date rate drug in
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Speaker 1: her drink at Carlos and Charlie's bar. As Levi pointed out,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what time she was actually killed. Regarding
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Speaker 1: Robin Gardner, we don't have an accurate timeline in the
38:49
Speaker 1: case we're talking about right now, Alison McKenzie, Joe Scott,
38:52
Speaker 1: We've got three different stories and three different timelines. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and many times in other countries what you will find
39:01
Speaker 1: and I found even looking all the way back to
39:04
Speaker 1: Oscar Pastorius, with the way that case was handled. In
39:08
Speaker 1: these particular instances. Many times in our country, the media
39:12
Speaker 1: will hold law enforcement, they'll hold the feet to the fire,
39:16
Speaker 1: particularly if the case catches the attention to the media.
39:19
Speaker 1: In these other countries, that doesn't happen. You know, the
39:22
Speaker 1: law enforcement authorities there will say, well, we're working on it,
39:25
Speaker 1: and the media just kind of accepts it and they
39:28
Speaker 1: go on about their business. So when you come down
39:30
Speaker 1: to things like timelines, which is our bread and butter,
39:33
Speaker 1: that's what we work off of with these cases. If
39:36
Speaker 1: you cannot establish that from Jump Street, from that central
39:40
Speaker 1: point of when this event happened, you take all of
39:43
Speaker 1: this information from these individuals, where these principles that are
39:47
Speaker 1: involved in it and kind of run it down this line,
39:50
Speaker 1: then you've got a real problem. From Jump Street. Your
39:54
Speaker 1: pool is tainted at that point and you cannot go
39:57
Speaker 1: back and undering the bell. Unfortunately, guys, if you have information,
40:01
Speaker 1: or you think you have information, go to crime Stoppers,
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