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"FAMILY MAN" DENTIST'S WIFE DEAD OF CYANIDE, RECRUITS "HOTTIES" TO LIE IN COURT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Family man the dentist, his wife is dead of cyanide.
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Speaker 1: Did he recruit Hatties.
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Speaker 2: To lie for him in court? I'm Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Angela Craig is a loving Colorado mom of six married
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Speaker 3: to esteemed dentist James Craig. But things go awry when
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Speaker 3: Angela is suddenly hospitalized with intense dizziness and pain.
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Speaker 1: How did the whole thing start? Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: After multiple recent hospital visits, Angela again checked into a
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Speaker 4: hospital Wednesday morning, complaining of a severe headache in dizziness.
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Speaker 4: Around two pm, she had a seizure, her condition rapidly declining,
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Speaker 4: doctors moving her to the ICU, where she was put
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Speaker 4: on life support before passing away Saturday, joining me an
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Speaker 4: all star panel to make sense of what we are
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Speaker 4: learning This mom.
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Speaker 2: Of six six and she's still really young as well.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, you know, college sweethearts.
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Speaker 2: Fall in love, they get married and immediately start having children.
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Speaker 2: That's how mom this young can have six children already.
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Speaker 1: And I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: I want to go straight out to Stephan Tubb's, host
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Speaker 2: of the podcast, Arsenic Dds The Bizarre Case of Doctor
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Speaker 2: James Craig, which is an incredible podcast by the way. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I've done all this investigation and research, and I learned
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Speaker 2: even more by listening to that Arsenic Dds The Bizarre
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Speaker 2: Case of Doctor James Craig. Stephan, I want to just
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Speaker 2: start with her symptoms, because you know, when I first
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Speaker 2: read and learned about this case, it reminds me so
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Speaker 2: much of another case. I don't know if you're familiar
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Speaker 2: with Colt Mom Laurie Valo and her prophet husband, well,
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Speaker 2: his wife Tammy, healthy as a horse in her early forties,
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Speaker 2: maybe forty one forty two, just kills over in the
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Speaker 2: middle of the night. And I found that very, very disturced.
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Speaker 2: She just ran a marathon for Pete's sake, and now
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Speaker 2: this mom, this young mom Angela, suddenly developed all these symptoms.
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Speaker 2: Nobody can figure out what's wrong with her, and she
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Speaker 2: just bam dies. Now tell me about her original sentence,
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Speaker 2: Stephan Tubbs.
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Speaker 5: Nancy, she got incredibly sick, and it wasn't just one
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Speaker 5: time in the hospital.
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Speaker 6: It was multiple times.
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Speaker 7: That she.
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Speaker 5: Was feeling nauseous, that she just didn't feel something was right.
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Speaker 5: Severe headaches, and she went to a local hospital the
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Speaker 5: first time to the er. He was discharged and then
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Speaker 5: went to this hospital like a week later.
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Speaker 1: It was stef Stephan.
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Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, Stephan, I want to go straight
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Speaker 2: out to our shrink. Joining us in addition to incredible
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Speaker 2: panel of guests joining me Doctor Cheven Scott, psychotherapist, author
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Speaker 2: of the Minds of mass Killers.
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Speaker 1: So much more, Doctor Cheven, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed how women's symptoms just get discounted.
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Speaker 2: They come in, I'm nauseous, i feel dizzy, I've got
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Speaker 2: this severe headache, and they're like, oh, you're fine, bye.
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Speaker 1: You have been over and over to Angela.
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Speaker 4: What is it?
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Speaker 1: Are all women quote hysterical?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's there's even something called the w W syndrome,
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Speaker 8: and that stands for whiney women, and medical doctors have
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Speaker 8: been known to talk about the women.
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Speaker 2: Wait wait, head blowing off right now?
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Speaker 1: What ww syndrohn? Is that what you just said?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, whiney woman.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've read some women doctors have written books about
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Speaker 8: this problem in the medical profession where women are just
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Speaker 8: dismissed and not taken seriously.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I've got so much to say about that, but
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Speaker 2: it will get me totally sidetracked off. This woman angela
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Speaker 2: mother of six. Okay, back to you, Stephan Tubbs joining
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Speaker 2: me his research and investigated this case. Just to the detail, Stephan. So,
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Speaker 2: she had headaches, a severe headache.
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Speaker 1: I think from what I recall, that's.
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Speaker 2: What really made her decide to go to the hospital.
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Speaker 2: She was having nausea and felt dizzy, but it was
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Speaker 2: the headaches. I think she was worried that she was
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Speaker 2: having a stroke because the headache was so severe.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, she was very very ill. She was very very
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Speaker 5: concerned about her own health and safety. This is a
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Speaker 5: mother of six. Not all of the children were inside
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Speaker 5: the home, but she's incredibly sick and wondering how the
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Speaker 5: hell she got sick.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 2: My stomach feels fine, although at one point she said
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Speaker 2: she had nausea.
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Speaker 1: But my head.
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Speaker 2: Feels funny and dizzy, very strange.
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Speaker 1: I'm dizzy.
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Speaker 2: My eyes don't want to focus. I don't feel right
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Speaker 2: in my head.
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Speaker 1: No, this is just weird. I'm dizzy in my head.
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Speaker 2: My eyes are working slowly, my body's responding slowly. I
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Speaker 2: feel drugged. Response from husband the family man Dennis. Given
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Speaker 2: our history, I know that must be triggering. Just for
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Speaker 2: the record, I didn't drug you. Whoa okay, as Shakespeare
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Speaker 2: said me thinks that does protest too much, you know,
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Speaker 2: like when a cop walks by and go, I don't.
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Speaker 1: Have drugs on me. Anyway, Let's get back to it. Listen.
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Speaker 9: She was complaining or having a really nasty heady. She
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Speaker 9: was also complaining about her eyesight. She was having trouble focusing.
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Speaker 9: She said that she felt tingly. She said that she
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Speaker 9: felt cold. She's concerned that it could be as infection,
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Speaker 9: and then there's some conversation about maybe she's diabetic.
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Speaker 1: No one is able.
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Speaker 9: To find an answer for what is causing this otherwise
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Speaker 9: healthy mother of six to be feeling these horrendous symptoms.
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Speaker 9: She goes back a few days later, March ninth, same symptoms, nausea, dizziness, headaches,
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Speaker 9: even some vomiting. Again, the doctors can't figure out what's
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Speaker 9: wrong with her. They send her home, and then when
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Speaker 9: she goes back for a third time, that's when she's
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Speaker 9: checked in and her condition deteriorates quickly.
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Speaker 1: And there you.
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Speaker 2: See doctor Chavonne Scott with us who just dropped a
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Speaker 2: bombshell mommie about the WW syndrome, whiny woman syndrome.
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Speaker 1: Now we're on round three.
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Speaker 2: Okay, she's at the hospital a third time. They keep
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Speaker 2: sending her home and sending her home. Now she codes.
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Speaker 2: I guess that means todd read or whatever they call
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Speaker 2: it in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: When you're dying. Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, just a horrifying, horrifying situation for a young woman
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Speaker 8: to be in with no explanation. It's hard to imagine
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Speaker 8: how frightened she must have been.
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Speaker 2: Eric Fattest joining me, high profile trial lawyer, TV legal analysts,
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Speaker 2: founding partner Varner Fattest, elite legal, former felony prosecutor. Eric,
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Speaker 2: Don't you just hate it when you're own client who's
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Speaker 2: not charged with anything out of the blue said I
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Speaker 2: didn't drug you, Because that's what he said.
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Speaker 1: Nobody said he did drug anybody.
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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden he goes, just, FYI, I
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Speaker 2: didn't drug you. If my husband said FYI I didn't
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Speaker 2: drug you, I'm going to need a defense attorney because
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Speaker 2: who would jump up and say that unless they drug
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Speaker 2: the wife?
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Speaker 6: I hear you.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it's a curious statement, certainly suspicious in the
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Speaker 10: eyes of many. On the other hand, I think his
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Speaker 10: defense is going to argue that the marriage was on
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Speaker 10: the rocks. Things were tense things for dicey, and so
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Speaker 10: you know, people say things that in the huge of
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Speaker 10: an event like this, that that certainly could be triggering
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Speaker 10: for both parties. But yeah, the gravity of the statement
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Speaker 10: and sort of it coming out of nowheres is not
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Speaker 10: lost on triggering.
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Speaker 2: First of all, I don't know how that got popular
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Speaker 2: triggering for both parties. Are you telling me he the
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Speaker 2: dentist is triggered? What are you talking about? Why she's dead? Okay,
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Speaker 2: why are you talking about him getting triggered?
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Speaker 10: This conversation proceeded the death. What I was saying is that,
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Speaker 10: you know, when the relationship is super rocky, sometimes when
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Speaker 10: there are serious medical events that come up, or just
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Speaker 10: serious life events, those things can be can add to
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Speaker 10: the to the tenseness of the situation, the stress of
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Speaker 10: the situation, and he could have been experiencing distress as well,
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Speaker 10: and sometimes things come.
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Speaker 2: Out rocky rocky. That's what you call a string of
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Speaker 2: mistresses rocky. That's more like an earthquake.
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Speaker 10: It is a serious event which just could have further
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Speaker 10: been destabilizing for the relations when something serious happens, when
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Speaker 10: when your spouse is sick. I think defense is going
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Speaker 10: to argue that, hey, thanks were really distressing. Your was
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Speaker 10: heightened emotionality, and sometimes people just say things that's at
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Speaker 10: least some defense will likely Frank.
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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Let's take a look.
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Speaker 11: My name is doctor Jim Craig and I practice as
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Speaker 11: summer Brook Dental Group. My approach to dentistry begins with
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Speaker 11: sincerely listening to the patient and wanting to find out
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Speaker 11: more about where they're coming from and what they're looking
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Speaker 11: for and what they want.
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Speaker 2: That's from the official Summerbrook Dentistry Facebook page. Well there's more.
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Speaker 1: That he's going to go visit a patient, a patient
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Speaker 1: I extract.
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Speaker 6: I'm here to do the work. So I had to
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Speaker 6: see me like this again last weekend was a little
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Speaker 6: bit of a shock. But here I am again, just
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Speaker 6: like the sorry, use it a little bit, exam. I
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Speaker 6: didn't mean good luck, Nicole. You don't have any cavities,
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Speaker 6: all take care of them.
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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what I saw.
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Speaker 2: That was from the official summer Brook Dentistry Facebook page.
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Speaker 2: But has the husband been working out in the gym
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Speaker 2: or are his arms just beefy.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Joining me right now a special guest, Phil Waters, former
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Speaker 2: homicide detective from the Houston PD president's CEO Kindred Spirits
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Speaker 2: Investigations and Security. Phil, I know that Eric Fattis is
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Speaker 2: going to turn purple and tell me this means nothing.
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Speaker 2: But when you're a husband, the dentist who sits on
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Speaker 2: one of those little roly chairs all day long suddenly
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Speaker 2: starts working out and developing interest in getting spray to hands,
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Speaker 2: you better pay attention what's going on? You better find
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Speaker 2: out what's behind that. Did you see that video? Has
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Speaker 2: he been working out popping iron at the gym?
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Speaker 1: Because it looks like he has.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think so. In homicide, of course we'd call that.
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Speaker 6: A clue.
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Speaker 7: To watch his behavior and the things that he's doing there.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I guess in isolation for that setting, he
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Speaker 7: appears to be a very attentive dentist and he's really
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Speaker 7: into what he's doing, and he's trying to entertain his clients,
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Speaker 7: his patients as well as do the proper dental work
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Speaker 7: on them. In that particular setting, it does look like if,
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Speaker 7: of course, we don't know what the timeline here is
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Speaker 7: but if he's been hitting the gym and doing some
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Speaker 7: things that are trying to get his physique in a
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Speaker 7: better shape, that might be an indicator, of course to
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Speaker 7: his wife in a general sense that are you doing
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Speaker 7: this for me or are you doing this for some
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Speaker 7: other purpose?
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Speaker 2: Okay, take a look at this fattest and that's from
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Speaker 2: the summer Brook Dnastry facebook page.
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Speaker 1: Just where we're getting that. Do you say somebody's pomping
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Speaker 1: iron in the gym all of a sudden, he.
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Speaker 6: Does look a little jack there.
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Speaker 10: Defense is going to say, so what, Everyone is allowed
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Speaker 10: to take care of their own health. That's the homicide
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Speaker 10: detective just said. Maybe he was taking care of himself
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Speaker 10: to sort of rekindle the flame with his wife at
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Speaker 10: the time.
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Speaker 6: We just don't know.
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Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean.
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Speaker 10: Even if the relationship was on the rocks and he
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Speaker 10: was preparing for something new, that's not a crime.
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Speaker 4: When Angela is admitted to the hospital for the third
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Speaker 4: time in two weeks, James Craig only stops at the
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Speaker 4: hospital for half an hour before going out to get
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Speaker 4: food for his wife. Craig returns an hour and a
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Speaker 4: half later and goes into Angela's room alone Just a
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Speaker 4: few minutes later, Angela has a severe seizure in her
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Speaker 4: vitals crash. While hospital staff attempt to revive Angela, Craig
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Speaker 4: takes photos of his unconscious wife. Angela is stabilized with
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Speaker 4: the ventilator, but to clear brain dead.
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Speaker 2: Takes photos of his wife Before we go to a
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Speaker 2: renowned physician and biomedical engineer, doctor Ernest Schiodo. Let me
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Speaker 2: go back to Stephan Tubbs, host of Arsenic Dds.
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Speaker 1: Stefan, why is he taking pictures of.
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Speaker 2: His wife as she's dying and they're desperately trying to
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Speaker 2: resuscitate her and she's got all kind of tubes in her?
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Speaker 1: Well, what happened?
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Speaker 5: He's at the foot of the bed and it's almost
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Speaker 5: as if he's almost halfway out of that room. Nancy,
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Speaker 5: it was bizarre to see for the first time, But
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Speaker 5: this is really the goodbye. I think he was taking
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Speaker 5: it for some of her family that were not in town.
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Speaker 6: She has a huge family. They mostly primarily live in Utah,
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Speaker 6: but he was there. He then calls the business partner
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Speaker 6: and his wife. They had all done things as couples before,
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Speaker 6: and this was the goodbye. When she was coding out
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Speaker 6: at CU Health and it was there that, to me,
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Speaker 6: the entire domino started to fall.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of Domino's falling to doctor Ernest Shaoto, not only physician,
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Speaker 2: but attorney, biomedical engineer, toxicologist, and author of Toxic tort,
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Speaker 2: Medical and Legal Elements.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Shayoto, thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure in your residency and in practicing medicine, you've
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Speaker 2: been in a lot of sick rooms and even death rooms.
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Speaker 2: Do you not find that bizarre that he is taking
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Speaker 2: pictures of his wife as she's coding out, in other words,
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Speaker 2: as hospital personnel are furiously trying to save her life
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Speaker 2: and he's taking pictures.
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Speaker 12: It's highly unusual, yes, doctor Chayoto.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen someone take photos of their wife
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Speaker 2: while they're trying to resuscitate her and bring her back
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Speaker 2: to life, you know, pounding on her chest, using those
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Speaker 2: electrical stimulators on her chest. Everybody's screaming, everybody's rushing into
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Speaker 2: the room, and he's in the corner taking pictures. Have
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Speaker 2: you ever seen that happen, doctor Chaoto? No, I haven't either,
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Speaker 2: and I have investigated, prosecuted, and covered. I can't even
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Speaker 2: count the number of deaths and homicides to doctor chevon Scott.
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Speaker 2: I'm right there, as Stephan Tubbs said, that was when
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Speaker 2: the weirdness was marked and noted when he was taking picture.
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Speaker 2: I don't care what he says, this is to send
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Speaker 2: to her extended family. That's bs technical legal term. What
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Speaker 2: does that mean?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know something's wrong with it, but I
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Speaker 1: don't know what it is.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a puzzle to me as well, because it
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Speaker 8: seems so out of the normal range of human behavior.
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Speaker 8: None of us can put ourselves in that situation and
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Speaker 8: imagine that we'd be picking up a camera as our
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Speaker 8: loved one was dying.
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Speaker 1: So what in the world was he doing.
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Speaker 8: I don't know that I have a good answer for that,
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Speaker 8: but it's definitely a red flag.
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Speaker 13: While his wife, Angela is fighting for her life in
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Speaker 13: the hospital, her devoted husband is emailing his mistress. James
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Speaker 13: told her something had happened to Angela, and she responded
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Speaker 13: with how sorry she was for him and that she
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Speaker 13: wished she was helping him, not pulling him away. She
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Speaker 13: stated she knew it had to be so hard what
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Speaker 13: he was going through and that she wanted to be
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Speaker 13: there for him, but did not want to mix with
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Speaker 13: his family and friends. And pretend to be only a
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Speaker 13: friend when there was something more.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's so hard on a mistress when she
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Speaker 2: has to pretend to just be friends in front of
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Speaker 2: his wife. I hate when that happens. Fattest, What do you.
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Speaker 1: Have to say to that?
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Speaker 2: What about when a jury here's about him while his
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Speaker 2: wife is lying there dying.
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Speaker 1: He's emailing his mistress, his hobbie, and she says, I
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Speaker 1: can't take it. I can't stand to act.
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Speaker 2: Like we're just friends when we're so much more. Has
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Speaker 2: everybody lost their minds?
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Speaker 10: On the surface, certainly problematic.
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Speaker 14: It's going to be difficult to neutralize for the defense,
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Speaker 14: you know, I think that they might consider something like,
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Speaker 14: you know, there have been instances where even a person's
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Speaker 14: wife has like given them an organ.
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Speaker 10: You know that there's this is like that, and then
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Speaker 10: there's still infidelity. There are still cheating. Human beings could
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Speaker 10: do underhanded stuff. They do stuff that is surprising that
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Speaker 10: it's hard to understand. And I think that that could
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Speaker 10: be what was going on here, and that could be
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Speaker 10: how the defense postures it to the jury.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's another whole thing there. Hold on
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Speaker 2: just a moment to a doctor chauven Scott. Many women
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Speaker 2: would tell you, not me, but many women would tell
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Speaker 2: you I'd rather my husband just go have sex with
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Speaker 2: somebody than to actually fall in love. I mean, if
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Speaker 2: my husband did either one. Basically, it's open marriage, open casket, bam.
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Speaker 1: That says it all. But some women would.
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Speaker 2: Prefer the husband, if they're going to do anything, to
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Speaker 2: just go have sex with somebody wham, bam done, as
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Speaker 2: opposed to falling in love with someone. Can you explain
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Speaker 2: that odd sentiment?
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Speaker 8: The difference between having that kind of deep attachment with somebody,
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Speaker 8: I guess would be the love. And so yeah, there
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Speaker 8: are even people who have very open marriages where sexual
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Speaker 8: exploits outside of the relationship are absolutely fine. But the
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Speaker 8: idea is that you always have your primary emotional bond
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Speaker 8: with your partner.
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Speaker 3: Colorado mom of six, Angela Craig spends the month of
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Speaker 3: March in and out of hospitals blaming of strange symptoms
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Speaker 3: for which doctors seem to have no answers. Meanwhile, her
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Speaker 3: dentist husband is receiving the sterious packages to his office.
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Speaker 2: You earlier heard podcast The Star of Arsenic Dds Stephan
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Speaker 2: Tubbs refer to Domino's began to fall. Well, here they
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Speaker 2: go listen, still in the parking lot.
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Speaker 15: After visiting Angela in the hospital, Ryan Redfern gets a
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Speaker 15: call from James Craig, his partner in Summerbrook. As Craig
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Speaker 15: starts to ask Redfern if he had said anything to
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Speaker 15: Angela's nurses, Redford cuts him off, saying he told the
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Speaker 15: nurses about the package Craig received at the office. Craig
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Speaker 15: says the package contained a ring for Angela, but Redfern replies,
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Speaker 15: it's not a ring. We know what's in there.
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Speaker 4: After their phone call, James Craig sends Ryan Redfern a
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Speaker 4: flurry of angry texts, accusing him of creating huge problems
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Speaker 4: by getting police involved without talking to him first. Craig
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Speaker 4: tells Redfern, if he really is a friend, he and
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Speaker 4: the remaining office employees will do not speak with cops anymore.
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Speaker 2: Huge red flag when somebody says, don't talk to the cop.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Stephen Tubbs tell me about
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Speaker 2: the dominoes. He said the dominoes began to fall. What
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Speaker 2: about the dental practice partner?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Ryan Redfern, some would consider him to be the
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Speaker 6: hero in this because he's the one that after the
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Speaker 6: phone call, and as you just outlined on the program,
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Speaker 6: he tells Jim via the cell phone. He says, Jim,
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Speaker 6: stop talking, get a lawyer to backtrack. We're talking about
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Speaker 6: arsenic that was allegedly purchased online. I mean, the computer
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Speaker 6: records at the dental practice were very easy for police investigators.
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Speaker 6: But it was the package of potassium cyanid that was
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Speaker 6: delivered to the actual dentist's office opened by some you
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Speaker 6: know employee. She starts to go what is this potassium synide?
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Speaker 6: She literally sees the skull and crossbones on the packaging.
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Speaker 6: She looks it up. She clicks in her mind.
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Speaker 5: Wait a minute, this is exactly these are the kinds
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Speaker 5: of symptoms that Angela Craig is experiencing. She then calls
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Speaker 5: red firm, the partner, and that's how the domino start
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Speaker 5: to fall.
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Speaker 1: Hey, joining me.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Ernest Toyoto attorney, physician, biomedical engineer, toxicologist and author
21:29
Speaker 2: of Toxic Torque Medical and Legal Elements. Doctor Toyoto explain
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Speaker 2: what the symptoms of that particular poison would be.
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Speaker 12: Well, there's a number of different poisons involved, but cyanide,
21:44
Speaker 12: you just really have very rapid loss of blood pressure,
21:51
Speaker 12: loss of consciousness, and very rapid depth Parsnick, can you
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Speaker 12: get peripheral neuropathy, you get burning in the in your
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Speaker 12: hands and feet. It's more of a slow poison. It's
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Speaker 12: really interesting is the tetrahydral zoline, which is interestingly found
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Speaker 12: in eye drops to get the redness out of your eyes,
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Speaker 12: what they call an alpha agonist. It causes constriction of
22:23
Speaker 12: blood vessels and that causes confusion, can cause loss of consciousness, coma,
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Speaker 12: and that sounds a lot more like the symptoms that
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Speaker 12: she was having in the hospital.
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Speaker 2: The wife, guys, we look carefully at the movements and
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Speaker 2: the actions leading up to her last hospitalization and what
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Speaker 2: led up to the previous two hospitalizations.
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Speaker 15: Listen, the husband and wife go for a run or
22:56
Speaker 15: hit the gym together almost every day, and when they
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Speaker 15: return home, James Craig makes protein shakes or fruit smoothies
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Speaker 15: for breakfast, while Angela delves into getting the kids ready
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Speaker 15: for the day.
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Speaker 9: We think he was using to poison adula over the
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Speaker 9: course of several weeks, actually including it in her protein shape,
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Speaker 9: even helping her along or trying to reassure her when
23:17
Speaker 9: she was complaining of sickness, dizziness, Nauga. He was sort
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Speaker 9: of still encouraging her to drink the fluid.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something, Stephan Tubbs joining me. Isn't
23:27
Speaker 2: it true that on a prior occasion she had gotten
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Speaker 2: stabilized and then he goes out and comes back and
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Speaker 2: brings her food like a doting husband in the hospital,
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Speaker 2: and suddenly she goes into seizures.
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Speaker 6: That's true. Yeah, she was in the hospital. Remember three
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Speaker 6: different times. She was in the.
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Speaker 5: Hospital, three different times. Reading the affidavit, which reads like
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Speaker 5: a bad Hollywood script, it looks like investigator Spiel. She
23:54
Speaker 5: is consistently being offered the food and in primary fashion,
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Speaker 5: the protein shape while she's in and keep in mind
24:03
Speaker 5: all of these text messages that are going back and forth.
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Speaker 5: Do you feel like a smoothie? Is there anything I
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Speaker 5: can bring you? And this goes on for the better
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Speaker 5: part of the month of March.
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Speaker 2: Stephan Tubbs, are you telling me he would email her
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Speaker 2: or text her in the hospital say can I bring
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Speaker 2: you a smoothie?
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Speaker 5: One thousand percent that is in the affidavit. I've seen
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Speaker 5: the screenshots of the text messages. She's in the hospital
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Speaker 5: three different times, there's text messaging. I mean dozens and
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Speaker 5: dozens of them, if not hundreds of them, going back
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Speaker 5: and forth, do you feel like something? What do you
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Speaker 5: feel like? Can I bring you anything? And it was
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Speaker 5: usually in the form of a smoothie, and then.
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Speaker 1: The other shoe drops listen.
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Speaker 16: With suspicions raised, Angela Craig is sent for an autopsy
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Speaker 16: with additional toxicology screening. Test reveal the otherwise healthy mom
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Speaker 16: of six died of poisoning from both sinide and tetrahydrozolene,
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Speaker 16: a common ingredient in eye drops. While investigators have no
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Speaker 16: definite evidence Angela's food and drinks were poisoned with cyanide,
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Speaker 16: the test reveal her cyanide levels increased while she was
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Speaker 16: in the hospital.
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Speaker 2: Stephan Tubbs her levels increased while she's in the hospital.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was probably the biggest shocker in
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Speaker 5: a shocking story in the Denver metro area that we
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Speaker 5: got wored and read the autopsy. Her levels of cyanide
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Speaker 5: increased while.
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Speaker 6: She's in the hospital. I mean, to me, it was
25:31
Speaker 6: and remains unprecedented.
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Speaker 5: I've never heard a story like that, and doctors didn't
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Speaker 5: know again what they were looking for right, And it
25:37
Speaker 5: was just when the domino started to fall and people
25:39
Speaker 5: started to talk the business partner that they started to
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Speaker 5: look into Wait a minute, these are the signs of poisoning.
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Speaker 6: And certainly we know what the autopsy revealed.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, to me, Stephan, it would all blow
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Speaker 2: up when the dental assistant opens up the package and
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Speaker 2: it's cyanide.
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Speaker 5: Oh remember though, Nancy, it was supposed to be a
25:58
Speaker 5: ring for Angela. I mean, the Kaka Maimi stories just
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Speaker 5: were over and over.
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Speaker 2: Where do you get cyanide? Stefan, You can just order
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Speaker 2: it up on Amazon? I mean, where do you get cyanide?
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Speaker 5: So one of the two there were purchase orders for
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Speaker 5: Amazon dot Com, which was amazing. I can't believe it
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Speaker 5: was either cyanide or the potassium shie.
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Speaker 1: That was a joke. Are you serious? You can get
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Speaker 1: cyanide on Amazon?
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Speaker 6: There you go, right there on your screen. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 6: going to buy this on Amazon. First of all, somebody
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Speaker 6: bezos arsenic, Yeah, Arsenic, but you yeah. And then at this.
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Speaker 2: Podcast left inside residence's mailbox, so I guess he thought
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Speaker 2: he was being super smart by having it delivered to
26:44
Speaker 2: the dentist office.
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Speaker 1: So his wife wouldn't find the arsenic.
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Speaker 6: Right, don't open this?
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Speaker 2: Okay, So what happened Stephan When the dental assistant opens
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Speaker 2: up a box and it's arsenic?
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Speaker 5: I think her eyes about bugged out of her head,
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Speaker 5: is what happened. She sees this package, she opens it up.
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Speaker 5: Another office assistant came in and said, you weren't supposed
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Speaker 5: to open that. Well, cats out of the bag. She
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Speaker 5: sees the skull and crossbones, and then she again puts
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Speaker 5: the pieces together. Wait a minute, potassium cyanide. She calls
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Speaker 5: doctor Redfern, the partner of Jim Craig, and says, uh,
27:18
Speaker 5: you got a package here, and then that's where you
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Speaker 5: pass forward, you know. Redfern confronts Jim Craig and says,
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Speaker 5: why are you buying potassium cyanide for the dental practice?
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Speaker 6: And of course the lie was, oh, that's really it's
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Speaker 6: a gift. It was it was a ring for Angela.
27:36
Speaker 6: Well there was no ring inside.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Earnest Scioto joining us, a renowned physician and lawyer
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Speaker 2: and author. Doctor Chioto, she couldn't taste something odd in
27:48
Speaker 2: her protein shakes. I mean, what does arsenic or cyanide
27:52
Speaker 2: tastes like.
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Speaker 12: Arsak's gonna taste sort of him a dialet sort of taste,
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Speaker 12: whereas cyanide really wouldn't. Sometimes it is in order of
28:08
Speaker 12: bitter almonds. So whether or not she could taste the
28:14
Speaker 12: artsnake or cyanide would really be a matter of how
28:17
Speaker 12: much was in the shape. His small amount, you may
28:20
Speaker 12: not taste it.
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Speaker 9: He clearly thought he was more intelligent than he was.
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Speaker 9: He was using a different computer in his dentist practice,
28:27
Speaker 9: the one that he owned, and then he had this
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Speaker 9: alternate email address. I think it was something along the
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Speaker 9: lines of Jim and Wattles at gmail dot com, at
28:37
Speaker 9: gmail or at AOL or at hotmail dot com. I
28:41
Speaker 9: don't recall which you exactly, but hardly a criminal mastermind.
28:45
Speaker 9: He was actually in two million dollars of personal debt,
28:49
Speaker 9: and it was because he made some really terrible investments
28:53
Speaker 9: in some dodgy cryptocurrency turned out to be worth absolutely nothing.
28:58
Speaker 9: He gambled the family with these really risky investment choices,
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Speaker 9: and then by the time we came to find out
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Speaker 9: about him, he was really up to his neck. He
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Speaker 9: filed for personal bankruptcy he felt it, or professional bankruptcy.
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Speaker 1: Oh, my Stars.
29:15
Speaker 2: Eric fattis renowned attorney. Don't you just hate it when
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Speaker 2: your mastermind client just uses a fake email to find
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Speaker 2: out all about cyanide and order arsenic from Amazon?
29:33
Speaker 1: That really worked well, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: You know that there is a potential alternative explanation as
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Speaker 10: to why I was doing that, As we've talked about,
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Speaker 10: his marriage of twenty three years was on the rocks.
29:42
Speaker 10: He had filed for bankruptcy twice, he had a history
29:46
Speaker 10: of depression. A syanide could be used to hurt others,
29:48
Speaker 10: but it can also be used to hurt oneself, and
29:51
Speaker 10: that's something that one might not want to broadcast to
29:53
Speaker 10: other people and might use surreptitious means to try to procure,
29:56
Speaker 10: which it sounds like you do.
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Speaker 2: You know, Eric, you know it's something you've got to
29:59
Speaker 2: tell better, inform you about it before you go to Vegas.
30:04
Speaker 2: The crazier your arguments get, the faster you talk. And
30:07
Speaker 2: I love that about you, and I'm telling you because
30:09
Speaker 2: I really don't think you can stop yourself. But that said,
30:12
Speaker 2: so you're suggesting now you're just spinning it out right
30:15
Speaker 2: like you're throwing a frisbee.
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Speaker 1: You're just throwing it at me.
30:18
Speaker 2: That he really ordered the cyanide in the arsenic for himself, right,
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Speaker 2: you just.
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Speaker 10: Say it's equally consistent with that?
30:27
Speaker 1: What about this?
30:29
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a client try to suborn perjury
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Speaker 2: kind of a deal Dentures for perjury listen.
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Speaker 17: According to prosecutors, this isn't the first time James Craig
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Speaker 17: has tried to recruit fake witnesses. James Craig gets friendly
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Speaker 17: with several inmates at the Arapa Ho Detention Center and
30:49
Speaker 17: learns William Billy Walden's mother hates her dentures but can't
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Speaker 17: afford implants. Craig asks Walden to let him talk to
30:56
Speaker 17: his mom the next time he gives a recall Over
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Speaker 17: the phone. Craig tells Rebeka Walden he'll give her a
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Speaker 17: brand new set of teeth when he gets out, saying
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Speaker 17: he's certain to get off because he didn't kill his wife.
31:07
Speaker 17: Craig gets Walden's address and tells her he'll give her
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Speaker 17: more details in a letter.
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Speaker 1: So faddest Dancers for Perjury.
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Speaker 10: Thoughts not the best deal, certainly a bad look. But
31:19
Speaker 10: on the other hand, defense is going to say, hey,
31:20
Speaker 10: look he was He's been in jail for a long time.
31:22
Speaker 10: He's been adamant about his innocence. He's getting desperate. He
31:25
Speaker 10: needs to do something to try to change things. And
31:28
Speaker 10: this is the sort of hair brain scheme he came
31:30
Speaker 10: up with. It's problematic, but doesn't mean he committed murder.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I had a funny feeling you would say that
31:35
Speaker 2: about the dentures for perjury scheme?
31:38
Speaker 1: Well, what about haughties for dentures? Hatties at O T
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Speaker 1: T I E S listen fattest.
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Speaker 15: In early twenty twenty four, a letter from Craig to
31:48
Speaker 15: Rebecca Walden, inmate William Walden's mother, was returned to the
31:52
Speaker 15: Rappa Hood Detention Center as undeliverable. The letter contains an
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Speaker 15: offer to provide Rebecca Walden with free dental implants if
31:58
Speaker 15: she recruits several young, attractive women to pose as Craig's
32:03
Speaker 15: affair partners. Craig instructs Walden to have the women tell
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Speaker 15: authorities that Angela confronted them about Craig's affairs, then recruited
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Speaker 15: them to help her frame Craig for her murder.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what happens, Stephan Tubbs, where do the hotties enter
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Speaker 2: the scene?
32:19
Speaker 5: In a desperate plea to get out of the Arapaho
32:22
Speaker 5: County jail. I mean, at this point, there's no death
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Speaker 5: penalty in Colorado.
32:27
Speaker 6: He has nothing to lose. He's been accused of trying
32:31
Speaker 6: a solicitation for murder of the lead detective.
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Speaker 5: In this I mean, it's not just the hotties or
32:37
Speaker 5: the free teeth or whatever. Jim Craig is trying any
32:42
Speaker 5: way that he can, at least according to those of
32:44
Speaker 5: us following the case closely watching him do whatever he
32:47
Speaker 5: can to possibly grasp at straws to convince one juror
32:51
Speaker 5: once this thing finally.
32:52
Speaker 6: Starts to create that doubt. But it's been crazy. The
32:58
Speaker 6: hits just keep on coming.
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Speaker 5: Literally, less than two weeks ago, had a guy reach
33:03
Speaker 5: out to me. Don't know him from anybody, He says, Hey,
33:05
Speaker 5: I was serving in the Appaho County detention facility with
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Speaker 5: Craig until last October.
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Speaker 6: You won't believe what he told me. He even gave
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Speaker 6: me a letter.
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Speaker 5: I haven't seen the letter yet, but it's just it's crazy,
33:17
Speaker 5: and it continues in.
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Speaker 16: The letters to Constantinidis, Craig offers a blank check in
33:21
Speaker 16: exchange for spoofed texts, phone records, and doctored photographs that
33:25
Speaker 16: can help convince authorities Constantinidis knew Angela in life and
33:30
Speaker 16: that the mom.
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Speaker 1: Of six was suicidal.
33:32
Speaker 16: After learning of his latest affair, Craig details some of
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Speaker 16: his previous affairs in the letter, admitting he first cheated
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Speaker 16: on Angela with a patient in two thousand and nine,
33:41
Speaker 16: and provides personal information about his children in an attempt
33:45
Speaker 16: to make their lives seem credible.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I don't really know which way to
33:49
Speaker 2: turn here, but I'm going to go back to Eric Faddis,
33:51
Speaker 2: veterin trial lawyer, defense attorney. In all seriousness, I've been
33:56
Speaker 2: pulling your leg a little bit with the fantastical nature
34:00
Speaker 2: of some of the facts we're learning.
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Speaker 1: But we have a mother of six dead, not just dead,
34:06
Speaker 1: but suffering.
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Speaker 2: For months from sinide and arsenic poisoning before she died.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you say it's not the husband. I say it is.
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Speaker 2: He's still innocent. He has not been proven guilty in
34:20
Speaker 2: a court of law.
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Speaker 1: But let's just take a look at what we're hearing
34:24
Speaker 1: right now. Not only did he.
34:26
Speaker 2: Try to arrange quote Hattie's attractive women to claim they
34:32
Speaker 2: were his sex partners, to tell authorities his dead wife
34:37
Speaker 2: confronted him about his affairs and that she was going
34:41
Speaker 2: to commit suicide. So your suicide fantasy is actually hatching
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Speaker 2: in the defendant's mind.
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Speaker 1: All right, So he's taking.
34:53
Speaker 2: Your cue, but he's soliciting, suborning, for lack of a
34:59
Speaker 2: better word, per injury by Hatties to say his dead
35:04
Speaker 2: wife confronted them. Not only that he has a dancers
35:08
Speaker 2: for perjury scheme with somebody else. Now we're learning, according
35:13
Speaker 2: to Stephan Tubbs, we're learning he tried to order a
35:18
Speaker 2: hit on a detective. Have a detective murdered? What about it?
35:26
Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 10: I think what he'll say is that a person who
35:29
Speaker 10: feels that they are innocent, they are being railroaded, They
35:32
Speaker 10: have been in jail for a long period of time,
35:33
Speaker 10: months and months, that they don't feel like they have
35:36
Speaker 10: a way to get out, they're going to resort to
35:38
Speaker 10: desperate acts. And perhaps in his mind he thought that, hey,
35:41
Speaker 10: if I eliminate the head hop show in this investigation,
35:45
Speaker 10: perhaps the investigation falls apart. Certainly not lawful, certainly not okay,
35:50
Speaker 10: but also not the same thing as proving him guilty
35:54
Speaker 10: of murdering his wife.
35:55
Speaker 2: Doctor Ernest Shoto joining us renowned physician and author not
36:00
Speaker 2: to what does a victim experience as they die from
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Speaker 2: cyanide or arsenic poisoning?
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Speaker 12: Well, if it's they're they're going to be different. Arsenic
36:13
Speaker 12: is going to be sort of a slow agonizing gap,
36:18
Speaker 12: or as cyanide is going to be very rapid. You
36:21
Speaker 12: know you're really going to end up with sufficient cyanide,
36:27
Speaker 12: You're going to end up dying with the moments. So
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Speaker 12: there are really two different types of gap due to
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Speaker 12: two very different.
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Speaker 2: Toxic Doctor feel Waters joining us former homicide detective Houston, PD,
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Speaker 2: president of Kindred Spirits Investigations dot com. You know, Peel,
36:50
Speaker 2: you and I have handled a lot of murders, a
36:53
Speaker 2: lot of homicides, be they involuntary, voluntary, or mouse murder.
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Speaker 2: It takes a special kind of mind. Would you agree, Phil?
37:04
Speaker 2: This is not getting angry and pulling a gun and shooting.
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Speaker 2: This is months and months of planning, of scheming, of
37:13
Speaker 2: Google searches, and lovingly feeding your wife protein shakes laced
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Speaker 2: with poison and then watching her suffer.
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Speaker 7: Phil, well, exactly, you know this is a This is
37:27
Speaker 7: an evil act on this guy's part. I won't even
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Speaker 7: recognize him by saying his name and we see this.
37:36
Speaker 7: This is he is obsessed with killing his wife. Murdering
37:42
Speaker 7: his wife, the mother of his six children. And this
37:46
Speaker 7: is something that for as you put it, for months,
37:50
Speaker 7: has been thinking about this every minute of every day.
37:56
Speaker 6: And so when he's going into.
37:58
Speaker 7: These search engines and trying to figure out what kind
38:01
Speaker 7: of poison is the best one to us and that
38:03
Speaker 7: kind of thing. I'll tell you what, it's just I
38:07
Speaker 7: hope he's a better dentist than he was a murderer,
38:10
Speaker 7: because what he did is idiotic in terms of trying
38:15
Speaker 7: to accomplish the task, which is murder his wife and
38:19
Speaker 7: try to have some sort of a story that's going
38:22
Speaker 7: to take the suspicion away from you. Everything he did
38:26
Speaker 7: in the process here pointed to him. So when we
38:31
Speaker 7: get in these investigations, we always look for affirmative links.
38:34
Speaker 7: We let the evidence take us where we need to be,
38:36
Speaker 7: and it's always a journey for the truth. In this particular,
38:39
Speaker 7: I listened to the defense with all due respect, these
38:46
Speaker 7: episodes of isolation that we're talking about, where you know,
38:49
Speaker 7: he's cheating, that didn't make him a murder, and so
38:51
Speaker 7: on and so on. This has to be looked at
38:54
Speaker 7: in a timeline of events if we can determine when
38:58
Speaker 7: this started, and then of course we know where it
39:00
Speaker 7: ended and what were the events that occurred in between
39:03
Speaker 7: that got us to that point. You know, this taking
39:06
Speaker 7: pictures and so forth of the of his wife in
39:10
Speaker 7: the hospital when she's dying. You know, when I was
39:13
Speaker 7: listening to that discussion, I'm more prone to believe that
39:16
Speaker 7: he was going to use those pictures to gain some
39:20
Speaker 7: sympathy from the woman that he was wanting to a
39:25
Speaker 7: squire around. So you know, he had a purpose for
39:30
Speaker 7: all the things that he did, and it was just
39:34
Speaker 7: it was just kind of stupid.
39:35
Speaker 6: Is as stupid does?
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Speaker 7: It just continued to get more idiotic as he went
39:39
Speaker 7: through this process, thinking that what people are going to
39:43
Speaker 7: believe this story that he's come up with.
39:46
Speaker 2: And and you know another thing, phil as you and
39:49
Speaker 2: I you as a homicide detective, me as a felony prosecutor,
39:55
Speaker 2: we would go about our business every day not thinking
39:59
Speaker 2: that and in eight behind Bars is trying to have
40:02
Speaker 2: us killed, have us killed to thwart the investigation. I
40:10
Speaker 2: bet you never thought about that while you were detecting.
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Speaker 7: No, when I worked in narcotics, I did have a
40:15
Speaker 7: contract put out on me, so I'm a little familiar
40:17
Speaker 7: with it.
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Speaker 2: But we all, for Pete's sake, we've all gotten death rests.
40:22
Speaker 2: The first one I had was faxed over from the
40:25
Speaker 2: Fulton County Jail. Didn't take too much to figure that
40:28
Speaker 2: one out. But yes, yes, the level of arrogance to
40:35
Speaker 2: think you can get away with everything and fix it
40:39
Speaker 2: all by doing a dentures for perjury scheme and having
40:45
Speaker 2: the lead detective murdered. If you know or think you
40:49
Speaker 2: know anything about this case, whether you were an inmate
40:53
Speaker 2: or a patient or a lover, it doesn't matter. This
40:58
Speaker 2: woman is dead and probably her last thoughts were who's
41:03
Speaker 2: gonna take care of my children? Please dial the tip
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Speaker 2: line seven two zero nine one three stop seven two
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Speaker 2: zero nine one three seven eight six seven as the
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Speaker 2: state continues to build its case.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,