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Wisdom Kaye · Corporate Dropout

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  From styling the universe to styling vegan leggings. I'm dead. The wisdom. How are we
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  doing? I'm good, I'm good. Great to see you, man. I forgot the styling. Ramon hoodie. That's my
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  favorite part. How's 2026 venturing you? We gotta go through the recap. Yeah, we're all down.
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  Yeah. Break it down, bro. Go ahead. I grew up in Texas. Uh, you know, just. In the in the country.
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  Suburbs, basically. But. Fuck no, can I swear? Yeah, I definitely wasn't. There was no fashion in my life
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  at some point, but I moved around a lot. Growing up, like, uh, it was just because my mom always would
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  just get, like, a better job here and there, and obviously single mom trying to take care of me,
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  all that. So we just bounced around. Um, and I think as a result of being the new kid a lot, I like,
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  Naturally, I think God steered towards fashion is like a way to like, fit in, because I always
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  noticed that, like, you know, growing up, kids always cared about, like, your shoes and whatnot. At some
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  point I went to uniform schools, but it was still about the shoes. Like that. Day. It was even worse.
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  If you didn't have, like, you know, a good pair of shoes and everything. So like, I think just like it
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  was, I was almost in a way, like steered into fashion just as a form of like adapting. I don't
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  want to be too dramatic. I'd say survival, but in a way that's kind of how it was, you know? Anyways.
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  Yeah, but even then it was just to fit in. So it was like, I mean, I didn't grow up with the money.
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  So like, you know, for example, for me, like if I ever got to go to PacSun, I. Was like, dude, that to
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  me that was like. And also I never got to go. I think I went to Paris on one summer. My mom would
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  let me go because at that point everybody was in Paris on like it was like obey, supra. Like that
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  was the vibe. And, uh, I was even, even to go to like, Abercrombie and Fitch was like, was legendary.
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  It wasn't cheap. It was not. That was responsible. It was. It was like, what, 60. 75 for a hoodie, bro. It
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  was not. Cheap. All right. You're walking to Abercrombie Fitch. You're hidden. I don't know if
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  we hit in Zumiez yet. Zoomies was expensive as hell. Zumiez came later in life. Zombie was just
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  like four for hoodies for, like, $200. Kind of pricey. I think the only thing I maybe I got, like
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  a shirt once from zoomies, maybe some cargo shorts. I don't. Know. So do you remember, like, a specific
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  moment or age when that kind of taste or fashion started? For be honest, I think it was just over
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  time. I think at a young, young age I realized like, okay, like it kind of matters what I wear. Even
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  when I went to a uniform school, I think I went to school. It wasn't like it wasn't private school. I
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  think it was like regular public school. Like we had to wear uniforms. This was like. Fourth, fifth
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  grade, I think this. Is. Early. This is early. And so around that time, it was like it was your or fifth
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  or sixth, it was your hoodie. Like if you wore a hoodie or a jacket or your shoes, that was the way
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  to stand out. And I didn't have I didn't have shit. So for me around that time, it was like, all right.
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  Like, I was more conscious about what hoodie I was wearing. It almost made it more significant. Going
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  to a uniformed school like the other things, you could sort of like show off. You know what I mean?
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  Because, like, you kind of get more creative. Exactly. You have to wear everybody has to wear a
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  navy blue shirt. And I think it was khaki pants. So like, your hoodie or your shoes are the only way
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  to flex. So at that time, I think I always tried to like, I don't know, I was more conscious about my
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  decisions around them. So when I started, you forgot about the Nike Elite socks underneath Nike
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  Elite socks. That was another one. Yo, you almost disrespect me with that. $15 for socks. I
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  can never get my mom to do it. I got so one year for Christmas. It was only. It was only going to be
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  Christmas. I got up. At least they weren't even the classic. At least they were the the Football
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  League. The bars were a little different. They were black and lime green, bro. But I had to get them
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  because it was the only chance I had to get. At least it was for Christmas. I was like, I'll do it,
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  bro. I'll do it. I got a little bit more aura then, but it still wasn't like, you know, the classic, you
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  know, black, white. So Young wisdom at that time. I'm. I can guess he never expected all this for you
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  happening right now. What did you want out of your future? You know, sometimes some kids are like, I
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  want to be an astronaut or. Yeah, but I don't think I really had one. I think there's an old photo of
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  me with a fireman hat on. So sometimes I always say I wanted to be a firefighter, but I don't
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  think I ever wanted to be. Most people don't know, and I think there's a lot of pressure on trying
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  to figure it out. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like if you have like a set plan and you only want it
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  to go that way, like it's not gonna be, I thought it was going to lead. You going to. The. Well, no. But
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  it's I think it's a candidate event for every man. At some point you want to be a pro athlete.
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  Because even me, that started like my freshman, sophomore year of high school, I wanted to go pro
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  in soccer. And Austin. What was your decision for me moment. Bro? It wasn't even you know, a lot of
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  people tell that story. It's the moment they got embarrassed, like on the plane. For me, it was when
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  I found out that the best player I'd ever played with didn't make it. I said, there's nothing I'm
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  going to do, okay. I'm finished. Because he was a he was. This was when I was like a freshman high
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  school. He was like varsity. Maybe he was a senior junior. And I just remember like a few years later,
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  like somebody had just told me that news and I was like, yo, he didn't make it, bro. I'm not even a
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  third of. Yeah. Nods levels to it. Straight to fashion after that. Straight. So right around the
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  time you start posting stuff. No, no, no, this is mostly this is college. It didn't happen until my
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  freshman year of college because I went to Texas State. I was studying mechanical engineering.
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  Honestly, nowadays I forget if it was mechanical or electrical or maybe both. I don't know, um,
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  because my family's very like, doctor, lawyer, engineer, you know? Do you like, enjoy it? Like hell?
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  No, not at all. There was I I've never been, like, growing up. It was obviously instilled upon me,
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  like, get good grades. That would be the key to life or whatever. But I never was passionate about
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  that. Like, I just did it because I was the only thing I had to do. So then around college, when I
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  had more independence, that's when it started falling down. I like wasn't going to class, I
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  wasn't turning in assignments. I was writing essays for money like, oh my God, I was a hustler
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  in college, bro. Oh, you making money? I was saying I was like, what? Because I'm a good writer. So I
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  would put the things. I would write other people's essays before mine. I would not turn in my essay,
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  but I would make like. 180 from it. Exactly. Even like I remember, one of the earliest things I did
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  in college to make money was like I would go to my friends dorms, be like, you have any clothes you
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  don't want? They would give me clothes. I'd sell them on Snapchat, bro. Or I would go to like. It's
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  because bro, this is this is crazy. I did a thing on basically. Like I would also go to Plato's
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  Closet, buy a shirt for like, let's say ten bucks, right? I put it on my store for $2 and I'd be like,
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  all right, you know, bidding is open. Somebody's like, oh, let me bid, too. I'm like, all right, bet
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  somebody else comes is like, let me bid. I'm like, try to get to let me do for a bet. I go to the
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  other person somebody bid for. Do you want to outbid? They're like, let me do sex bet. Go back to
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  the person who says six. A third person comes in. Can I bid two? Now we're at six. That person is
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  like, right, can I bid seven on my bed? Go to the other two people. We're at seven. They go, let me go.
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  Ten. Now the guy drops out. I'm like, bad until the other guy leaves. One after ten. Fourth person
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  comes in. What's the bid at? I'm like ten. I'm gonna do 20, bro. I did this with multiple people for one
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  item. At the end of the day, I would sell like a $10 shirt for like 45 bucks. My margins were
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  insane and I would ship. I would do all the handling. Work, just kind of constantly. It was a
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  lot of work, bro. Like, that would have been bogus. But you were hustling hard. I had a homie who
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  would go in the lost and found in the washer and dryer and sell that shit. Wow. That's like I was
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  like, Loki stealing. Someone's gonna go there and looking. Yeah, that was awesome. Someone sniped to
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  him and posted them on, like, the page he was done selling to buy your own clothes back then? Yeah. Uh,
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  I think your finance bro now. So you started making the videos in college? Yeah. So, I mean,
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  really, I made one video when I was in college because this was in, uh, 2019. December was my first
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  video. Yeah, I only did one year in person because Covid hit that same year. So turn of the year 2020,
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  I'm at home because after like winter break, we didn't go back to school because the college was
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  like, we don't know what the hell is going on with Covid and stuff. That's when I started posting
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  more videos because I had time on my hands and I was at home. I was like, let me like figure out
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  ideas and stuff. Prior to that, I only posted two videos and it was just like my friends had
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  convinced me to do it Um, because, like, basically, I never wanted to get on on TikTok originally
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  because I didn't really use the app. I was just like on Instagram, and I didn't really know what
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  was on their. TikTok was so much different than it was like it was kind of like low key cringe. It
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  even it was furry videos, bro. All I had. Seen that was on TikTok was reposted onto Instagram and it
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  was funny. Video. So for me, I was like, what's on TikTok? But my friends were like, no, I should put
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  your fits, put your fits. So like after class, I'd have like somebody just like record, like a 310
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  second clip of me, just like standing awkwardly. And I put them all together in the week. And that
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  was my first ever video I put on TikTok, Twitter, IG, and I did that twice before Covid, and then I.
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  Did it go. Up immediately. I was shocked. First I got my first, um, brand deal
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  off my off a couple videos. It was Doc Martens in college. They paid like 400 bucks. It was there 14,
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  60 bucks. Bu I shot it around campus with my friend Valera, who was a photographer. Shout out
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  Valera, because she's lucky that one of you even told me to do all that. Um, immediately. So how fast
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  was that growth? It was exponential, bro. I'm not. I'm not even a lie. So where did you finish
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  college? No, no, no, so literally I. First semester post the video was Covid posting at home. I was
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  obviously going to class. Eventually school started back up. But we did it at home during
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  quarantine. But I actually focused more on writing essays for other people and then making videos. I
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  didn't really do my own stuff. Was this like the era of your videos? I think I remember you were in
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  like a parking lot. A lot of yeah, yeah, a parking lot. Yeah, that's what I think. I was first seen
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  your videos that. Precedes before I even started making like reels or TikToks. I've been posting on
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  Instagram for time like I used to be in those, I don't know, okay? I used to be in those group chats
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  for like, rant. Like, I just want to be a viral photographer. Okay, so I'd be in groups of people
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  that'd be like, oh, you like, somebody would post and you'd all go and like and then like put
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  engagement on it, like, like comment, all that type of stuff. So I've been making content for time,
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  like since I was like maybe 15, I could say I was like actively trying to make things for social
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  media. And before that it was for fun. But I was still doing stuff for social media. That makes
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  sense. I feel like a lot of a lot of creators may not have been doing like what they're doing now,
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  but they're always just making videos. Exactly. I was editing video game content in middle school.
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  Yeah. Yeah. I had, like, a gaming YouTube channel. You know, you were probably making some sort of a game,
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  bro. Yeah, bro. But I just feel like. Just like that itch inside you. Just like. Like making videos. Yeah.
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  But eventually leads into whatever. So you got done. So you said screw to school. Good. Good choice.
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  I'm done with that, too. Um, did you pick up any other jobs, or do you, like. Screw it. This content
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  popped off. I'm going for it, bro. I didn't even know if it would really. Obviously, I had no way of
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  having the foresight to see what it would become. I had never even worked like a conventional job
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  before this. I'd never had a job. I wasn't, you know. So this in life. Never in life that I have a job
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  like I've never been, you know, a waiter or a, you know, briefs like nothing. So this was my first
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  thing I ever did. And when I started making, like, money from, like, it was like smaller brands. Once I
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  did Doc Martens, that's when I kind of felt like, okay, I guess I can I can make money off of this.
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  Uh, and then when I was at home, smaller brands would reach out to me to make videos. So I started
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  doing that. So I really just started that way. Like, I never I don't even know how to manage money, bro.
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  I had a piece of notebook paper from from a spiral notebook pinned to my wall, and every time
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  I would get paid, I would just be like December 5th, $2,000. I would just write it down. It's better
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  to be distracted. I didn't I didn't even know what to do. And then once I made that money, it just
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  left. Bro. What do you think about, like, your videos? Because you said you started growing, like,
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  exponentially. Like, what do you think about it? Like made you grow so quick? It was just that no
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  one had really seen that. Like at the like you, when you think about like fashion content now
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  especially, it's like, all right, it's harder to stand out. Now I looking back at no one had ever
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  seen a guy with such a versatile array of of style. Like that's what it was like. If I'm looking
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  at it objectively. The first two videos were just a compilation of me wearing different, different
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  shit to school. And then when I started making, I actually started having ideas and like making
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  types of like content. I just continued that because I recognized that that was what people
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  liked so much. I just reading the comments and all that. So I just did that, but I just came up with
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  ideas and themes and stuff I could actually do for videos to make it more entertaining. That's
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  what it was. I think the similar thing has carried on until today, but obviously now I add a lot more
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  to it. But that's that's really what it was at the time. Yeah. No, that was I mean it was different.
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  They was dancing. They were saying renegade. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one was doing like that. Like people
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  were doing alpha compilations. Yeah. But like I think for guys it was so rare even when I got on
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  with like posting content, it was like two other guys were making fashion videos, genuinely two
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  other guys. Now there's like a bunch of guys. Yeah. Now people always ask me now, like, how do you how
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  do you grow? And I'm like, because I kind of started a little bit after you. But even when I
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  started, it was just it was just a different time. Like, you didn't really have to do as much as, like
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  just post like versatility and just take off. Now to stand out against the noise. It's crazy. Yeah.
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  It's crazy. So it seems a pretty smooth transition getting into the content. When did it get to the
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  point where it was like, I'm doing pretty well for myself, bro. Again, exponential. When I say
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  exponential, I'ma just be so honest with y'all. So January 2020. Obviously Covid, school, yada yada.
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  But I'm like, all right, let me start making content. January, February. Start posting videos I
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  get signed January, February, March, April, May or August. I think I get signed to IMG in August. I
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  had I had agency starting me up like August. July. Like that kind of time. Um, and I signed with them.
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  Between this time I was doing like smaller, smaller brand deals for like, you know, like a
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  Brita watches was one of the earliest brands that ever reached out to me. Um, a few other brands here
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  and there. I was doing like, like music deals, just like used music in my videos and stuff like that.
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  Just like smaller things here and there. And then I got signed. Then I had done a deal with American
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  Eagle before that, like January, February, March, April, maybe April, May or something like that. I
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  think it was maybe they paid me like $8,000. Most amount of money I've ever been paid, like almost
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  ten bands to do. Like, what was it like just a whole bunch of stuff with them, to be honest. I was
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  like, this is amazing. They wanted to renew with me because they like what I did. I signed with IMG.
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  IMG takes over that contract. I, IMG took it from five. No. Four
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  or 5 to 6 figures. Immediately. Damn, bro. Mind you, I'm. I was 19 years old, living and living in,
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  like, in my room in Texas. Like, I was like, all right. I was like, oh my God. So, bro, it was like
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  it was genuinely, I mean, like, it's it's not for nothing. It's funny because I look back at my life
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  up to even just that specific moment. Like, I've been doing this for years, like unknowingly, though,
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  so much of my content making was not me, like trying to pop off. At some point it did become
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  that, and then at some point it became even more intentional during Covid and when I was actually
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  like trying to make ideas and I was just doing what people liked, like I wasn't even doing stuff
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  because I was like, oh, I'm going to be big one day. I was like, I don't know, people like it and I like
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  it, so I'm just doing it. I feel like that's how we all popped off, though, those videos that I like. So
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  you say like that. IMG was kind of like the turning point for you. That was when I realized
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  like, wow. Because like my turning point I was sitting in calculus two is I'm not going to say
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  what the brand deal was, but the shit paid for my tuition, bro. Like, I literally got up, walked out of
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  class the first time I showed a grown man happy tears. Crazy. I was like, yo, I called my mama. I was
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  like, we're making it. Yeah, bro. It's like that, bro. It's it's insane. Because I never knew,
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  like, obviously, especially because I didn't even have an idea of what money was. Don't make sense
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  because I didn't even have a regular job to know what money was. Yeah, I was, I was working a day job.
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  When I quit, I walked out. I remember I got a call from my manager saying like, oh, like I had this
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  deal for you to go on a Coachella. And I'm like, I have work. And I remember telling my manager and
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  then I was doing the math, and I'm like, Going to Coachella is going to pay me way more than
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  working. Like, why? And I just left that day. Never went back. Yeah, it's just weird, especially at such
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  a young age, to. Like young age. To like, do the math and be like, well, this is just this is insane. Yeah.
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  So at what point did you get out to New York? I moved to New York. So the thing is, like, obviously,
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  even after all this, I stayed in Texas living with my mom, obviously, and I was, I want to say I was
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  saving money, but I was I was spending that shit. So bro, oh my God, people ask me all the time, how
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  do you have so much heart bro? At 1920 bro, I was responsible. For this last year, but but
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  uh. Basically I, I still stayed there, saved money, was able to do everything I was doing there. It
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  was it was a bit rough because like, we'd also move around still and like I'd have to like, like
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  if you look at my earlier videos, I only ever used the corner of my room because that was like kind
• 15:59
  of the space I had. But it changed a few times because we still move around a little bit. But
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  yeah, bro, I just like I just did that in Texas and then I finally moved at some point because I
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  think like it was two things. It was a I thought about my career and I thought moving to New York
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  would make a lot more sense for me. And then B it was also just like kind of this relationship at
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  home with my mom. Like at some point. I mean, everyone has different family situations, but for
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  me, it was like, I gotta get out of here type shit, you know what I mean? It's how it goes. You turn
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  into a grown man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Let me be a grown man. Independent, you know, all that. So
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  that was it. Pretty much so I've been here. I've been here for like four years now, maybe five,
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  something like that. So back then, were you like, were you a I need to pause the video every day
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  kind of guy. Oh hell no. Problem. Okay. So because like, before you even say anything, bro, would I be
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  watching all videos? It looked like TikTok premium. I look like I gotta pay subscription for it. Yeah,
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  yeah. So, like, when did you kind of notice that change or is that just kind of. I tell people when
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  you're editing videos, I can't just teach you how to do it. You just like you live and you learn. You
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  know what I mean? From the errors. Is that how you kind of just form that root of video you like? I
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  think naturally, just as someone who would consider themselves like a I rarely ever talked
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  talk myself up, but like a genuine creative person, I've always wanted to actually like put out
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  something that I'm happy to watch. Back when I put something out, I would say 90% of the time I
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  wanted to be something that I actually go back and watch it again and enjoy what I put out. And
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  so for me, it was always about like the quality of it from the get go. So I think I had a and I still
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  have a little difficulty with the algorithm because I think my philosophy doesn't always
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  engage well with how social media and algorithms operate, because for me, at the beginning, I
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  couldn't pump out four videos a day like my my peers genuinely were Vinni Hacker and Addison Rae.
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  Like they could hit. They could hit this eight times before that. Yeah. And post that. And get 20
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  million. Views off of eight videos, bro. You know I it would take me at that time anyways because my
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  stuff wasn't that complicated, but it would take me at least a couple, maybe a one, maybe two days,
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  one and a half days to post one video that would possibly get a quarter of that, you know what I
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  mean? That kind of leans into like the longevity that you have just because like, your videos
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  aren't like trendy. They're kind of just like timeless. You can watch it whenever. Like, so like
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  you're hitting like a trendy dance. And I feel like that's part of, like, why people. It definitely
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  had its benefits, I'll say that for sure. But just as a result, to answer your question, I couldn't
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  post once a day anyway, I just didn't. It took too long to make one video and it still does. So I
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  think if I could, I would have. Once upon a time I'd posted as strictly as I could, but nowadays
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  I'm completely changed. Like, I just want to have a good idea when I want to do. I just do it because
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  I'm obviously have the platform now. But once upon a time it was like, I don't know, I really couldn't
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  do that. You're doing all that on your phone, right? Yeah, everything's on my phone. Y'all hearing that
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  today is all on your phone. Everything the filming and the phone. Filming, editing on my phone,
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  everything. You can get to the bag, too. Damn. You just gotta lock in. On some Steve Lacy shit, bro.
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  Didn't he make his first wish? McAllen on GarageBand? Yeah. Wasn't he just, like, sitting in a
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  room full of instruments and just like that's his. That's how he creates. He just sits in a room full
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  of instruments. That's it. It just starts going for it. And you don't use. I don't even want to get
• 19:08
  into what you use to edit or what you don't get. Give him the source. Give him the exclusive right
• 19:12
  here. It's a lot of people editing on certain apps. So look. I think a lot of people, especially when I
• 19:18
  say I film an ad on my phone, they're all right. You probably just click cut. Okay, I have no first
• 19:22
  of all, I have no issue with Kafka because when I say it, sometimes people think I have. No. Issue
• 19:26
  with Kafka at all. Great. I just never used it first. I there's a different app I use. I don't
• 19:32
  keep it. I've said it many times, but I'm also not like loud about it. Um, because it's not it's not.
• 19:38
  How do I say this? I think I've gotten really good with what I use to edit, but it's not like I would
• 19:44
  never recommend this if you wanted to make my kind of video, because it will be a lot harder to
• 19:49
  do it, if that makes sense. But yeah, this is like I posted a video today. Uh, world Cup group stage one
• 19:55
  fashion World Cup kicked off. Hello. And this is like this is called this is like an example of
• 20:00
  just like my timeline and all that stuff. It's a lot of different things in there. Um. This is I, you
• 20:06
  get a lot more respect for me because I thought you were paying someone to edit that. No. No, bro,
• 20:10
  I'm all the all. I mean, that's all me, bro. Everything. Pretty much the lighting as well too.
• 20:15
  Lighting, I think, has been a huge part of it. So just tripods and iPhones. Tripod, iPhone light
• 20:21
  helps a lot. Yeah. So you're making fashion content. You're getting in your bag on video, leap off from
• 20:28
  the phone. When does that opportunity to go to a runway or a big
• 20:35
  fashion show? When does that start coming through? What's the what was that moment of like, Holy crap,
• 20:39
  I'm making it from the tick tock fashion space into the actual fashion space. Yeah, that's. A good
• 20:45
  cause. I feel like I'm hitting that kind of transition a little bit now. I've been making
• 20:48
  videos for the past couple of years. I just watched my first show and it was just like, Holy.
• 20:51
  Fire, by. The way. Thank you, thank you. But it's like, dude, I'm just on the phone getting fried, eating
• 20:55
  food, put on clothes, and now I'm out in Paris doing whatever. Like I'm truly blessed. So what was
• 21:00
  that moment for you? I'm trying to remember what my first show was. I felt like I should remember
• 21:06
  this. But to deep into the bag. You know, it's funny. I never really thought
• 21:13
  about. I remember, like, my earlier shows and like the earlier brands that I've worked with. I mean, I
• 21:17
  remember the very first brand I ever worked, but I don't remember my first show, but I don't think I
• 21:21
  went. I think it happened like the following year. So 2021, I definitely would have gone on my first
• 21:26
  like fashion Week New York, I think I went to New York first before I went to Paris. Um, and uh, I
• 21:31
  remember I went to Peter, I think was Peter Doe. Yeah, I think it was Peter Doe in 2021. Yeah. But I
• 21:38
  remember the thing about it is also like when I went to that show, I was like, okay, this is cool.
• 21:43
  Obviously I didn't know anyone. Uh, I was just like, there with a bunch of, like, people that now I
• 21:48
  probably know them all. Um, and I didn't even know what to expect from a fashion show, because the
• 21:52
  thing about the way I've always kind of consumed fashion, it's very like I love clothes as just. I
• 21:58
  love style, clothes, styling, storytelling with them. Like when I watch movies, I look at wardrobe like,
• 22:03
  I love all that stuff. The industry is large. When I was when I was like younger, I didn't really pay
• 22:08
  that much attention to it. I kind of only really do now out of like just being in it more so as a
• 22:13
  result, I didn't really like I never really thought like, I want to sit in a fashion show, so
• 22:18
  when I did it, I was like, it was just a thing I did. Yeah, you know what I'm trying to say? It
• 22:21
  wasn't like a oh my God, I'm sitting in front of a at a thing. And unknowingly I say annoyingly,
• 22:25
  because I think some people might, it might sound a little, a little strange, but, like, that's how I
• 22:30
  am with a lot of things that happens to me. Like I'm like just a kid from the suburbs. Like, I
• 22:35
  literally whenever I do cool things, I don't realize they're cool or I don't really think of
• 22:39
  them that way. It's always my friends that tell me, bro, you just you just did that. Like, why aren't
• 22:44
  you? So for me, like, think all the things and the people I've met, it was just like moments in life
• 22:49
  and I'm. I look back and I'm grateful and I'm able to recontextualize things now with, with the
• 22:53
  knowledge of like, kind of what I've done. But I have to genuinely make the time out to do that, if
• 22:57
  that makes sense. And then when I think about like, fashion and large, my first time when I went like
• 23:01
  again, like I mentioned, I wasn't super in the industry, paying attention, like I had my favorite
• 23:05
  designers and I have their favorite collections, but I'm not like, I'm not dying over. I don't know
• 23:09
  how to explain it. Like, I love Hader Ackerman. If I met Hader Ackerman, I'd be like, hey, so good to
• 23:13
  meet you. But I wouldn't be like, oh my God, I just meant hierarchically. You know what I mean? Some
• 23:16
  people really like. You get to the point where you realize these motherfuckers are humans too. So to
• 23:21
  kind of contrast that with your experience with Michaela, I know you did. Didn't you? Just style for,
• 23:27
  uh, kid super, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's been a few. Years now, right? Yeah, this was my third show with
• 23:32
  them. So how is that contrast in terms of, like, how much opinion say you have into that? Yeah, I mean,
• 23:38
  the great part about Kid Super is that like column great designer, great artist and the whole
• 23:43
  crew is really cool and they're so chill. Like, genuinely I remember the first time column having
• 23:47
  a solid show. He just said, bro, just like do your thing. Like make it cool. And I was like, amazing. I
• 23:52
  also I love working with them because that's the vibe I get to do whatever I want. Literally. I also
• 23:57
  recognize that's not the case with every show. Like if I were to style for any number of iconic
• 24:02
  French, you know, my zones. Like, there's strict rules and codes that I'd have to follow that I,
• 24:06
  you know, so I couldn't be as playful as I, as I want with it. So I basically working with YouTuber,
• 24:11
  I get to do literally anything and it's That's great. Is this like when you first start popping
• 24:16
  off? Is this what you wanted out of everything? Because, like, the thing that kind of confuses me
• 24:22
  with you is like, you know, we got some craters, they're going to start a brand. Other people are
• 24:27
  doing courses, other people are doing this. What do you want out of it? That's a great question. What
• 24:32
  do you want? Yeah. What do you want? What do you want? What do I want? You're doing a little bit of
• 24:35
  everything. I don't think you've never dropped a product. Right. No no no no no. So like. Yeah. Answer
• 24:42
  to that question for me because yeah it's I'm very intrigued. I think about it more nowadays I
• 24:47
  think, than I ever had before. But I don't know, man. I just I just like making stuff. I think as long
• 24:53
  as I've known myself, I've always made stuff. And when I say stuff, I mean like videos, you know, when
• 24:58
  I was younger, after I'd finished, like, eating lunch, like, you know, wrap it in tinfoil, I'd make,
• 25:02
  like an action figure out of it. Like, I just always like making things like, I remember when I
• 25:06
  was a kid, my stupid ass, I like, destroyed my Nintendo DS, my 3DS, because I wanted to film a
• 25:11
  video of me getting ready in the morning in 3D. I thought I should have the fridge. I grabbed the
• 25:15
  croissant. I put it in the microwave to microwave. The croissant 3D blew up within seconds. But like,
• 25:20
  I just like making things, you know? Uh, and I think I've gotten a great relationship now with, like, my
• 25:26
  audience and the brands that I work with and my content where it's like making like, for example,
• 25:31
  spending hours pulling an all nighter. I mean, I think maybe it's been about like, I have to figure
• 25:37
  out the math on how many, how long this video took me to make. But spending those hours on that
• 25:41
  content, I don't really get paid from it. Like, I'm obviously like through certain platforms and
• 25:45
  revenue generator, like I make some money, but that's obviously not what makes that's a .00 or
• 25:49
  whatever. So for me, it's like I make that because I like it and people love to see it. So I'm, I'm,
• 25:53
  I'm giving people something that I like to see or what they like to see, or sometimes it's both. And
• 25:59
  as a result, I have my I've, I've made content that has gone extremely viral over the years and has
• 26:04
  garnered the attention of different brands, and I work with them, and that's where I make my money.
• 26:07
  And I don't really have to sell anyone anything. My audience. Not that there's an issue or anything
• 26:11
  wrong with that. I mean, I think one day when I feel confident in a product or a thing, people
• 26:16
  will know. I've always said that the reason I don't have a brand is because I don't have a
• 26:20
  story, or a or a or a theme or a narrative that I feel like I need clothes to really convey that.
• 26:25
  That's why I don't have one. If I were to do it now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure it would be
• 26:29
  amazing and I would put my heart into it, but it would be solely for money. That would be the only
• 26:34
  reason I would do it now, because I don't have anything drive me to do it. Otherwise there's it
• 26:37
  would be money slash also, just like I guess. I mean yeah. I love the game. Love of the game. Yeah. I
• 26:43
  mean I. Love clothes, so don't get me wrong, I love clothes. And the idea of making clothes is also
• 26:47
  incredibly enticing too, at the same time. But until I have that thing, I want to really say,
• 26:52
  that's why I don't have that yet. To be honest. I never thought about selling. Of course I've
• 26:57
  thought about. So people ask me a lot to style them. People I get DMs, I have a wedding style. Yeah.
• 27:04
  You know, oh, style me for prom, style me for this. How much does it cost for you to stump up? So I've
• 27:09
  thought about like, okay, how can I actually provide that avenue for people to get that
• 27:13
  expertise from me? So I don't want to call it a course, but I've been thinking about how I could
• 27:17
  do that for people for sure and provide them that, um, that stuff. But we'll see. We'll see how it
• 27:22
  manifests itself. Yeah, I'm entirely sure. Yep. Downfall Wisdom by Michael. White. Compiled. With
• 27:29
  your bio. Bro. Once he posed that it might be read. I know, I also gotta like, figure I gotta. If I do
• 27:34
  that, I have to do it in such a different way I can't. Be like, yeah, I can't even imagine you sing.
• 27:38
  You know, it's the link. All right, I'm gonna ask you how much girl you got. How much do I owe? Yeah,
• 27:44
  give me a give me estimations, bro. Bro. You like? How do we say how much do you have on today? Let
• 27:50
  me start with that. Not a lazy. Vest wallet chain for my AirPods. Let me hold. That. That's
• 27:57
  it. I. That's it. Nothing crazy. Oh, um. Uh, necklace. Come on. Just just give me the estimation, bro. On,
• 28:03
  like, how many pieces or how much? Maybe a little bit of both. In terms of how. How many pieces? Okay.
• 28:08
  Give me a second. Give me genuinely give me a second. Yeah. Break it down real quick. I know you
• 28:12
  can't count it on fingers, bro. Come on, I can't, I can't. I know everything on paper. Generally
• 28:16
  speaking, if you went into my wardrobe right now, grabbed anything and I touched it for three
• 28:19
  seconds, I'll tell you what piece it is. Even if it's the same pony and hair, leather or calf
• 28:23
  leather, whatever. I swear it is. I want to do that. I want to do that. I'm actually going to do that.
• 28:28
  But I realized I could do it. I was like, that'd be a good idea to test myself. Okay. We have, uh,
• 28:33
  shearling, tan, shearling, black badges, black leather jacket, red white cross badges, black
• 28:38
  leather, silver bells from two of those, the biker one as well, the suede blazer with silver sweaters.
• 28:43
  I have one knit cardigan, one sweater with the red patch hats. I have two camos,
• 28:50
  one black boots. I have two shoes, dual baskets, chrome hearts. Jewelry is where it gets crazy. I
• 28:57
  have one for every finger, so we'll say ten on 23 and then I have an extra. So 24. and in terms of
• 29:04
  bracelets, this is where it gets insane. Genuinely, I have to just guess for bracelets. I want to put
• 29:08
  the picture right here. I'm doing you know. What let's say let's say 20. Let's say 25 plus
• 29:15
  15. We'll just say 40. Yeah. We could. Yeah. You know what? I'm. Oh, I where. Fuck. Okay. There's at
• 29:21
  least. Okay. Over 5%. We'll say, we'll say I have over 50 Chrome Hearts items.
• 29:28
  Oh best 55. Have you ever run any room, bro? I know that for you. I got no for. I'm not buying. Come on.
• 29:33
  Well, there you go. Shit. I mean, you got 50 pieces. Oh, I'm so sorry. 70. I forgot my pants and my shirt,
• 29:39
  so we'll say 70/70. Yeah. You couldn't pull up with a little, you know, welcome gifts. We'll go. Samsung,
• 29:44
  I got something. Are you, like, close with the Starks? Have you met any of them? Just for, um. Oh,
• 29:50
  wow. For having me on. Um. I'm super like, I haven't. I've met them randomly, so I went
• 29:57
  to the Chrome Store in West Village. I ran into Richard and he had there. Yeah, he was there. We had
• 30:02
  a funny conversation about stuff. That was our first time meeting. I've ran into Laurie. I don't
• 30:06
  know if I spoke to her, but like it was at the this one award thing I've ever met anyone else.
• 30:11
  I'm someone that's like, I like to meet people naturally. Is a way for me. Yeah. Get that away from
• 30:15
  me. I like to meet people naturally. Like I haven't met them and been like, oh, hey, I'm wisdom and I
• 30:19
  love your brand. But like, except for Richard, but like, I don't I don't want to meet or try to be
• 30:24
  close to somebody just because I don't know. I have to like you as a person, you know what I'm
• 30:28
  saying? Like, if I if I pull up to a thing and let's say Christian started and then we get along,
• 30:31
  we'd get along. But I'm not going to try to, like, sit next to him because he's Christian started
• 30:34
  like, I don't I don't know. If like people can also tell when that's like being done. Like, yeah, yeah.
• 30:39
  The energy. All right. Back to back to this closet. I'm really interested, bro. I'm not going to lie.
• 30:43
  I've got answers. Oh, you ain't even got a closet. But it's just out in one room, ain't it? It's the
• 30:48
  top floor. The top floor. Okay. Beautiful. The top floor. Well, what's the grail in there? Let me know.
• 30:53
  The grail? Yeah. Because mine mine is my drawn 11 Pantone because I used to look at him on the
• 30:57
  Chromebook when I was younger. I was like, damn, I need these. And I finally got them. Yeah, I think
• 31:01
  mine are Galaxy phones. Just because I think. Oh, yes. Those are just like my shoe. I barely wear
• 31:07
  them and just let them sit. Yeah, that's it for me. Do you have, like, a grill item that you just grew
• 31:11
  up? Oh, I need that. No, I know that was probably mine when I was younger. Galaxy phones 100%, bro.
• 31:15
  Bro, I want to go so bad that it was like $30 when I was young. That's a lot of money. A lot of money.
• 31:19
  Stupid money. Way too much. Um. All right. So a lot of my, I think a lot of my things I don't have at
• 31:26
  my, at my place just because I have so much stuff and a lot of my really expensive stuff, I don't
• 31:30
  keep on hand with me. I have it in a separate, in a separate place. But. Wait, wait, do you mean like
• 31:34
  that I have or that I want? Well, we'll do whatever. Like one that you can do. Like one like you grew
• 31:39
  up wanting and you finally got it. Or just one that you always want. Growing up, I obviously I
• 31:43
  always wanted to have shoe game. Everybody had the, you know, flash Jordans for the for dumb shit. Yeah.
• 31:48
  Bro kicks today. Exactly, bro. Um, and so when I finally started making money, I fucked around. I
• 31:54
  bought Jordan six, Carmine's, Jordan one. Bread's, I thought all at once I
• 32:01
  got black cats, metallic red flowers. Um, I wanted to get some, uh, what do they call something? Eights?
• 32:07
  The. They're, like, black with, like, the turquoise blue. Not the bugs backwards. Oh, the aqua. Aqua. Oh. I
• 32:13
  might fuck around. Look for that when I get home. Uh, but I bought a bunch of pretty much all those
• 32:19
  just because I was like, yo, I never had these in a kid, and I still liked them so much about them. But
• 32:23
  I ended up giving most away to my homeboy, who doesn't have a lot of shoes recently. But I kept
• 32:27
  the drawn ones. Yeah, I got the homies right. Yeah, the PR come in, got his love PR. Come. On, I got, you
• 32:34
  know, you worried about it, bro? I got the PR. I look at it, I like this, I like this. All right yo you
• 32:38
  want some stuff? Pull up. You know, all my friends but grill that I have personally,
• 32:45
  I would probably say, like, you know, there's one thing I don't have that I think about buying is a
• 32:50
  riot bomber, RAF Simons. Only because. But only because of what it is. I don't like it that much.
• 32:55
  The story behind this? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah yeah, yeah. But literally like a hundred now. 30.
• 33:02
  30. Really? 30. Yeah. I think once upon a time there was one on grave for 100,000. But yeah, I think. So
• 33:08
  was the one thing that was like odd expensive that you bought. And you're like, I don't regret it
• 33:13
  whatsoever. I don't regret it. Mm. That's usually very hard. It's usually the opposite. I would say
• 33:18
  my watches, I would say it's the opposite bro. Like spending money is enticing until you do it, bro.
• 33:23
  Then you're like, damn, I could have used that for anything else. But I would say probably my first
• 33:29
  big boy watch, which was my AP skeleton 36 millimeter. That was probably 39. Sorry. That was my
• 33:34
  um, that was the first one. I was like, wow, definitely the most expensive thing I'd ever
• 33:38
  bought at the time. And it's like, I wouldn't get rid. I would sell all my other watches first
• 33:44
  before that one. Yeah, yeah. Which one do you regret? My brother Watson. It's the most expensive thing I
• 33:50
  ever purchased. My bubba. My arm. Uh. Was it? Oh, whatever. The most expensive thing I ever
• 33:55
  purchased and I think. Was it immediate? What do you mean? Oh. Immediate regret. No.
• 34:02
  The thing is, the. Thing. Is. I wanted that, you know. After the fix. All right? No, no, no, I wanted that
• 34:08
  watch for a long time. To me, that's one of the coolest watches I've ever seen. I know we're, like,
• 34:11
  in the watch world. Aren't like, you know, whatever. But, like, to me, I love that watch. But at the same
• 34:15
  time, for how much it costs aftermarket, uh, it's like I, I might end up selling that. You paid if
• 34:21
  you got an aftermarket or. You got every single watch only because. And it's so funny. People tell
• 34:26
  me this all the time, like, bro, your wisdom. You could probably like, skip the line or like, take
• 34:30
  advantage of the benefits. I always forget that I can probably just hit up AP and be like, hey, can I
• 34:35
  just get this watch instead of like, doing the thing with the ad and like, you know, getting
• 34:39
  watches I don't want. In fact, I met AP people recently and they were incredibly kind to me. So
• 34:43
  I'm sure that's possible with like, some other folks at different places. But the point is, um,
• 34:48
  yeah, I've done that. But it's only because there's specific watches that I want, and I'm, like
• 34:51
  impatient. I'm a pretty impatient guy, so I don't like I don't want to wait around or by other
• 34:56
  things, and so I just go for the one I want. And I think they'd still make you buy like the lower
• 35:00
  watches to get up to that point. Or do you think, to be honest. I have relationships with some
• 35:04
  people that I don't think they would let me. I mean, I don't think they would do that just
• 35:08
  because I've met a lot of people, you know, on certain teams and talk to them. I think they'd be
• 35:12
  gracious enough to do that. Not all the watch people, but some maybe, I guess. Yeah. But at this
• 35:17
  point I think I've gotten every watch I. So I don't think I like. Yeah, I'm, I ain't getting my
• 35:22
  watch game yet, bro. You don't need. To be careful. Don't do it unless you like watches or like you
• 35:28
  want to boost your ego or you want to flex. There's no point. I got really? Those are the only.
• 35:32
  Reasons really, relating to the cars. Yeah. There you go. You can do. Cars. Do cars. Bro. You drive. Give
• 35:39
  me a few months. He's gonna he's gonna be driving a nice little Porsche. There you go. You don't
• 35:42
  drive. Boy. I was driving a Ford Escape last five years of my life, so I'm great. I came here, that's
• 35:48
  a start. Yeah, yeah. You know what I drive, bro? What? That path train. Oh, man.
• 35:56
  She ain't never had nothing wrong with her. She got me from A to B safely. Exactly 100% of the
• 36:00
  time, so I can't complain. Yep. Let's do it. But, you know, I have been in this car. He got the stars in
• 36:06
  the roof. So, like, when I. When I answer the FaceTime, like I got the stars on the roof. The
• 36:12
  coolest. Shit. Oh, great. How many cars do you have? This one. I got four. We're about to get rid of one
• 36:18
  and get a new one in, but it gets really addicting. You kind of gotta get cars for different
• 36:21
  occasions, but, like, see you in, like, a vintage. Like a Porsche, like a nice. I have a I have a dream car
• 36:26
  rotation. One of them is like like a crazy sports car, like McLaren. Or like I always just say like a,
• 36:31
  like a matte black Lamborghini Aventador or something like that. Okay. Second one is like a,
• 36:36
  like something vintage, like the truck Bella drove in twilight, like a red 1960 Chevrolet or
• 36:41
  something like that. Third one, like one of those new new Escalades, like 2026 2027 Escalade. That
• 36:47
  sounds like you don't want to die there. You want to be in the back of it? Exactly. That's what it
• 36:51
  sounds like. Like a family car. You know, like, you know, it sounds like an airplane. When you get in,
• 36:54
  some of them go like doo doo. Like, there are nice cars you have, like, the screen that goes across.
• 36:59
  That's like my, my, my little rotation for cars like those. I'm good. Holy crap. I forgot to ask you.
• 37:05
  Weren't you in a movie, bro? I'm in this movie called life. Oh, shit. Oh, forgive me, one liners.
• 37:11
  Don't worry. I'm assuming. Yeah. You had a little cameo. I had a cameo. Yeah. How was that? It was. I
• 37:18
  mean, it was chill. It's funny because I almost. I almost didn't do it because. And then again, this
• 37:23
  is another example of wisdom, like not getting it because I don't get a lot of the time. I hadn't
• 37:28
  seen the first Devil Wears Prada before. You're the last person I expected to say. That I know.
• 37:32
  Like when I tell y'all like, I'm very like, I don't know how to explain. I'm very removed, but also
• 37:36
  really in love with it. I don't know how to explain it. It's too busy editing. Yeah, honestly,
• 37:40
  that's probably what it is. But basically. So when my, my, my agent sent through the, you know, the the
• 37:46
  deal points off or whatever. And I looked at it and I initially was like they wanted to be at 4
• 37:50
  a.m. it was going to be Brooklyn. I remember I was like, I don't know if I want to do that. And then,
• 37:55
  um, they changed the times and everybody was like, you should do it. And I was like, all right, fine.
• 37:59
  But I hadn't even seen the first one when I did it, so I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know
• 38:02
  the plots, I didn't know the reoccurring characters or anything, but I didn't have to know
• 38:05
  that. I just had to, like, stand there for a few, like, hours and, like, do a thing. And then I went
• 38:09
  home, watch the first one finally. Um, which was great. The first one was really good. Right? I see
• 38:14
  why that's such a popular movie. And the second one was also pretty good. What was the camera
• 38:19
  where you were just standing there, like in the background or something? Literally, it was me and a
• 38:22
  few other people, like, because they had so many cameos in that movie. Yeah. So people came in at
• 38:26
  different times to do their thing, and I yeah, I was just talking. It was like this ballroom scene,
• 38:30
  um, and I was just chit chatting. So like, dude, styling shows,
• 38:37
  met gala movie. What are you chasing? What is it? Do you want to be in a big role in a movie? I
• 38:43
  used to chase. It when I was when I would say this around 2020. When I first started, I remember when
• 38:49
  I got signed the turn of 2020 1st January, I remember sitting on my team and being like, all
• 38:54
  right, what's next? Like immediately I was like, what's the next thing? Because in my mind, I think
• 38:58
  I wanted to be I would say at one point in time I wanted to be like big and famous, especially
• 39:03
  because social media was taking off. I was like, okay, like, is it acting? Is it what? But I remember
• 39:07
  they told me, like, look like, let's, let's get this thing going. Like, you know, you just you just
• 39:11
  started whatever. And honestly, that was the best decision, I think for me, because, hey, hey, I
• 39:18
  hate looking at myself. Actually, b, I was chasing I would have been chasing that for the wrong
• 39:22
  reasons. And see, I actually really love what I do, honestly. Like, I just like making things.
• 39:29
  I like being behind the camera. I like coming up with ideas and trying to like make them happen.
• 39:34
  And I just want to keep doing that, making it better, expanding on it and see where it goes. I
• 39:37
  think I could do anything, to be honest, in terms of like the next avenue, like another avenue, like
• 39:42
  I could design. I could direct a short film, I could do this. Like, there's so many things and I
• 39:47
  think I'm just waiting for the right, the right time. I'm not rushing anything. Yeah, yeah. I'd say
• 39:52
  the reason I feel so blessed all the time. And I'm sure you guys can probably agree we literally are
• 39:58
  allowed to make money off being ourself and putting it on the camera and getting to do what
• 40:04
  we want, and it's literally the most blessed thing in the world. Yeah. And it's just nice hearing that
• 40:11
  from you that you can pick an avenue when you want to allow it to take the time, and you get to
• 40:17
  understand that fully. You're not caught in some sort of wheel of back and forth with the work and
• 40:22
  everything. I gotta give you your flowers, too, because I feel like a lot of people not copied.
• 40:26
  You, but definitely based like saw your content and started doing it because I definitely saw
• 40:30
  your stuff and I was like, no way I'm gonna make a little fidget. I mean, like and it led to me. Being
• 40:34
  here, so I don't even know if you never did it. Shit, I might not have been here. You know, a lot of
• 40:38
  people. Fashion content, bro. Let's just keep it and you don't give yourself credit, but you get locked
• 40:43
  down. You gotta give away his due to him segment. Last question for this part. I know I just said we
• 40:48
  get to be able to have a living off being ourselves. What's kind of that ugly part of it for
• 40:54
  you? What have you struggled with with all this? I would say, I would say, and this is a pretty, pretty
• 41:00
  normal one, pretty reoccurring with a lot of people who do content is is tying your, your value
• 41:04
  and so forth to, um, engagement. You know, I think, you know, so much of your so much of my, in my life,
• 41:10
  my mood and my understanding of my content and how much I valued it or how good I even thought
• 41:16
  it was, is so closely related to how well it performs that, you know, I could make something and
• 41:21
  think, this is really good, but if it doesn't perform like, what was wrong with it? Yeah, but I
• 41:25
  think that's the wrong way to look at things. I think there's a multitude of reasons why certain
• 41:28
  things don't perform, but it doesn't mean your content isn't good. I even remember, for example,
• 41:32
  like one of my a video that people really like. I did like a style of Avatar The Last Airbender a
• 41:36
  few years ago, and not many people know that. Like that video right now has maybe, I don't know, 20
• 41:43
  million views on like the TikTok, for example. I posted that video initially with a very different
• 41:47
  intro, and when I posted it, I sort of got today, I probably would have gone 5 million because I
• 41:51
  realized it wasn't growing and I was like, I got to change something here. I changed it to the
• 41:55
  video of me like talking before it cuts to it, which is why I do that a lot now and ended up
• 41:59
  blowing up immediately. So sometimes it's not just it's not actually the content itself, but it's the
• 42:03
  algorithm and the things that you can't you either don't fully understand, can't predict out
• 42:08
  of your control things like. That. Especially when you take such a long time to like, edit and not
• 42:12
  return instantly. So that's that's definitely the, the, the biggest downside I think outside of that,
• 42:18
  like you said, you're social like we're we're so lucky and we're so blessed to be able to do this
• 42:21
  and have the freedom that we have. I mean, being able to wake up whenever, you know, like, yeah, you
• 42:27
  have times where you have to work a lot and you have to do this and that. But like, I think the
• 42:30
  general freedoms that you have on top of it are things that I would never trade for anything else,
• 42:33
  you know? Yeah, it's an absolute blessing, bro. And I like you. I always tell myself you can't control
• 42:39
  the uncontrollable. Yeah, and I think I've not struggled with, like, the views and such like so as
• 42:45
  much because I've always just posted videos for myself. Like, if you go on my feet, it's really
• 42:50
  basketball, food, fashion or whatever I'm up to. Yeah, because I've always made things like for
• 42:55
  myself, like, I'll genuinely watch that video, you know what I mean? Exactly. And I feel like that's
• 42:59
  how you get going on the internet, because in terms of all this AI shit and all this
• 43:05
  authenticity and consistency, you could tell everyone every little video, sleep hack, whatever
• 43:10
  it is. Authenticity. Authenticity and consistency is what drives everything. What might work for you
• 43:16
  might not work for the next 90%. Just one. Views. Then you can just post. Like everyone has their
• 43:20
  own path, bro. I fricking was making muck bags and somehow I got on the runway. Yeah, you were in the
• 43:25
  parking garage doing whatever. Yeah, literally. The parking garage was at six. It's like Smith doing
• 43:32
  whatever. Yo, Bloomingdales like. It's. Crazy. We love to hear your story, but you got to go pave your
• 43:37
  own story of the day. 90%. But we do got a couple of things for you at the end of this podcast that
• 43:44
  we unfortunately have to put you through, unfortunately. Uh, you'll enjoy it. I think Milo is
• 43:49
  going to break down the first one. All right. We got a little segment. It's called no Hesi.
• 43:58
  First thing that comes off your mind, right. Stood up pretty light. Nothing to. Be. Uh, nothing too
• 44:01
  crazy. Nothing too crazy. The fact that they're saying it's not crazy. Shit. Um,
• 44:08
  which era of fashion would you say is your favorite 70s? Wow. Very nice. If someone had zero
• 44:13
  budget, what is the first thing you tell them to look into? I low budget, I'll. Say go on eBay and
• 44:19
  just search based on the price you can afford. Is this like rapid fire? That'd be quick. Answering it
• 44:23
  or not. Take your time. It'll be too quick. Okay. Semi rapid. I'm much on a rush. Nobody. Uh, is there
• 44:27
  an outfit that you put on that makes you most happy? Happy? Yes. Confident. I'll say ooh. I think
• 44:34
  genuinely confident, happy. Two different types of outfits. I say confident. I like putting on a suit.
• 44:38
  I wear suits for no reason. People are like, oh, something tonight? Nope. I'm just wearing something
• 44:43
  special. No, no. Uh, do you have a video that you made that was like your favorite that you had,
• 44:47
  like the most fun that you can think of? Fun. Yes. Like recording. Editing. Just overall fun. They're
• 44:53
  all equal. I'm not mad. They're all pretty equal. I would say the the one that I like watching back
• 44:57
  the most is a couple. I really like watching back. Uh, the Dune video, I made this one skinny Gene
• 45:04
  edit to this baby Tron song that I just like. Sometimes I watch back and there's certain things
• 45:07
  I did that I was like, how did I do that? Uh, shout out baby Tron. Shout out one of the greatest
• 45:12
  lyricists of my generation. Gypsy legend. Genuinely. So yeah. Okay. Is there a fashion rule that you
• 45:17
  think is completely overrated? An overrated fashion rule? Yeah. Wow. What's the, uh. Kind of
• 45:23
  stumped. I think I think honestly, especially because I've been, like, getting more into, like, you
• 45:28
  know, suits and, like, sartorial menswear and all that stuff. There's a lot of rules in that world.
• 45:34
  Like, a lot of rules. And I mean, like, I get some of them, but I think a lot of them can be pretty
• 45:40
  overrated to, like, I don't know. Like, I get this one. I don't do it, but I don't think it's I don't
• 45:44
  think it's like that big of a deal. Like matching your pocket square to your tie is a is a big no
• 45:48
  no. I think it doesn't really matter that much though. I don't know, I feel like I feel like
• 45:53
  everyone nowadays don't really abide by rules. So I'm trying to, like, the only place I can think of
• 45:56
  where rules and fashion for guys still really exist is like in like the classic, like, shit, you
• 46:01
  know? Uh, are you happy? Yeah, I say so. Thank you. And lastly, what is an off
• 46:07
  duty no video to make, no editing, just a regular day look like for you. Wake up. Water, electrolytes.
• 46:15
  Jim. Eat FIFA. Okay. Si. And who are you playing
• 46:21
  us on? FIFA? Yeah. Either. Well, I still play FIFA 18
• 46:28
  because I don't want. I love FIFA 18. I don't want to get the new ones, I think. What is it on FC 2026
• 46:34
  2724? So I either will play um Atlético or
• 46:42
  Lowkey Leicester. Uh, or. Yeah. And then I think for the rest of my day I honestly I play people a lot
• 46:49
  bro. Like a lot like, uh, trouble like worrying about, like, I don't lose that game because I play
• 46:54
  so much like, damn, it's bad. And then, honestly, I don't know, I might, I might just, like, I don't know,
• 46:59
  I might hang out with somebody if it's a good weather, if it's a good weather, I like to be
• 47:02
  outside. So I might do that, come back home. Same shit, like eat food. That's fine. That's the end of
• 47:09
  know. Jesse. I'd love to hear your, um, section though. So wisdom. Definitely. Was last time you
• 47:14
  took a trip down memory lane.
• 47:24
  Oh, no, I already seen it. I am married.
• 47:31
  Yo! Please don't do this, bro. Please, bro. Oh, nah. FAM. Come talk to me
• 47:37
  after class. Yo! But it was also rap seaman's vibe. Though I did
• 47:44
  have the rap. I just imagine these Ross Migos are 2018. You know what I'm saying? Just that.
• 47:51
  Roadrunner. Sorry, I just didn't have it. Is your. Is your waistband above your belly button? Wow. Yeah.
• 47:58
  Most likely for short. What are you, some Dickies? Yeah. Give us a little break down. What was going
• 48:03
  on in this, bro? Yeah. Nah, man, I was trying to do 2018. Yeah, I was trying to do that. Like, I don't
• 48:08
  even know, man. I don't know what I was doing. This is probably just like a really big sweater for my
• 48:12
  my step dad's closet stepdad at the time. Mhm. These were from like these were for sure from
• 48:17
  Dillard's I don't know what brand. And. Oh and I had a pair of I think those were Air Maxes. I
• 48:23
  painted them off white and to make them look, I don't know, cool. The seeds were being planted in
• 48:30
  there. They were. You got to go through this, you know. You see, even I said, who let me leave the
• 48:35
  house. Even I knew I was at some point I was like. Yeah, no, I had to grab that one. Yo waistband. Yeah.
• 48:40
  Yo waistband was, damn, you're touching your nipples. It's crazy work. Look at the look at my. I
• 48:45
  look like a serial killer, bro. Look on my face. That's part of the journey, though. You need that
• 48:51
  to get here. All right. Um, I just need to know. Uh. Oh, shit. Man. We can put that one down. We just need
• 48:57
  to know what. What inspired this, uh, pose right here? Yeah.
• 49:04
  This one's. You know what's so funny about this? This is my first ever, uh, editorial shoot. First
• 49:10
  ever. It was in Houston. Um, and I remember, like, I didn't know what to expect. I don't know what to
• 49:17
  do. We just shot it. I just did a bunch of different poses and shit, and, uh, a lot of the
• 49:21
  stuff didn't fit me, which is still the case nowadays, but, um. Yeah, but I was just. I was serving
• 49:27
  something. Or. Something. I don't know what I was serving. Or something was show up and, um,
• 49:35
  I'll hand you this one personally. Yo. Like you did bad on the math test. Yo.
• 49:45
  So. Yo, chill. Chill, bro. Chill. So I guess the question. Yo yo yo yo yo, you have
• 49:52
  to screenshot this in printed out, bro. Look, I got questions for you. Nah. This is. Yeah. So
• 49:59
  I guess the question at hand. Is. Is that still possible? I mean,
• 50:06
  I won't I won't stick my tongue out for sure, but. You gotta pay Lex. For that. I got stretchy skin, I
• 50:13
  guess. All right, we can bring it back to, um. This. Is a little more. A little more present. Humble
• 50:18
  beginnings. Than this one. Um, the wisdom files. Yeah, The wisdom files are here. You feel like you feel
• 50:25
  your. Smuggler weight. Snacks. Come on. How did that feel, though? Like, actually. It was so tight. It was
• 50:32
  genuinely like it was difficult to breathe. Like, because it's a it's already. Of course, that's made
• 50:36
  to be as tight as possible. And then this is another metal part over that. That was even
• 50:40
  tighter. So it was kind of but you know, how long were you like. How long do you have to wear that.
• 50:44
  The whole the whole. Like I mean, I don't know, I don't know, I remember what time we started
• 50:48
  getting dressed at, but pretty much the whole the rest of the night at that point. Like. What did you
• 50:53
  have for dinner at the, um, the Met Gala? It was like. Dude, I don't remember what. That's where our
• 50:59
  video and we kind of see them go up the stairs and then. Yeah, well, so wait for a picture in the
• 51:03
  bathroom. Yeah. Once you go up, there's like, you know, it's cocktail dinner. Um, I don't remember
• 51:09
  what the dinner was. I'm not gonna lie to you. It's. But it's like, you know, like. Conspiracy is good to.
• 51:13
  You. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I won't spoil everything. I'll leave you with this one last photo.
• 51:20
  Yo, where do you even find this stuff, bro? This is. Crazy.
• 51:27
  This is like you went into my eyes only on Snapchat. You must have been bored as hell at the
• 51:33
  crib. Yeah, I'm. You know, I'm a fucking freak, apparently. Goddamn circus act. I got my fucking
• 51:39
  skin out of here. Fucking arms and awkward positions. Yeah, I was bored. Only child. Man. Sorry. I
• 51:46
  apologize for pulling out the wisdom files on you. Crazy, crazy. So I guess we can leave it at this
• 51:52
  first. Looking back at your life now, what would you tell your younger
• 51:59
  self? I wouldn't tell them anything. I'm a huge believer that any single change, no matter how
• 52:05
  minuscule in your life, will affect the outcome. If I went to a different college, I probably wouldn't
• 52:09
  be here because I wouldn't have met the people that told me to get on social media. If I went to
• 52:13
  a different school in fifth grade, that could have altered everything else that happened after that.
• 52:17
  So I would look at myself through a window, probably put my hand on the glass like this and
• 52:23
  slowly drop it down. But I wouldn't say anything. I would go back to my time. What would you tell them
• 52:27
  right here? Oh yeah. You got a look. You know, sometimes in life you may have weakness. Your arms
• 52:34
  might be sweating and you might even fuck around. Might be vomit on your sweater already. But you
• 52:39
  got to understand that, you know. Yeah, bro. Bro, it was okay.
• 52:46
  It's okay. Real no real shit. I appreciate you genuinely appreciate it, bro. Thank you
• 52:53
  so much for this episode. Yeah. Wow. What? This one. No, but actually, thank you so much.
• 53:00
  And you guys make sure to tune in next Thursday, Thursday at noon. But y'all have a great day. I'll
• 53:05
  see y'all later. Deuces, deuces.