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Texas mother shoots and kills two little girls, police say · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Two little girls dead. Two
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Speaker 1: little girls found in their Maybank, Texas home, fifty five
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Speaker 1: miles southeast of Dallas. What happened? How did two little
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Speaker 1: girls end up dead by gunshot wound? I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this nine one one call Tria. Yes, I
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Speaker 1: want to hug you get somebody come in here and
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Speaker 1: check my lap out? Okay, what's the address the demog? Hey?
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Speaker 1: What's Setty may Bank picker? Okay? Please Papa for arfication?
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Speaker 1: Repeated poards, plane drive, banker mom thing man. He sounds
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Speaker 1: pretty calm to have two dead children. Did he know
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Speaker 1: the girls were dead? What he called? Because I don't
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Speaker 1: believe that would be my reaction. Um. I can remember,
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Speaker 1: and you were with me at this time, Jason Oceans. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when I went out to Dancing with
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Speaker 1: the Stars and I got a phone call and I
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Speaker 1: was told my mom had cancer. And I remember getting
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Speaker 1: on the phone. I mean I started calling people trying
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Speaker 1: to get get us all back to where she was
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Speaker 1: out of l A. And when I was on the phone,
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Speaker 1: I could hear my voice and it was really loud
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Speaker 1: and really high pitched. I could hear it, and I
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Speaker 1: knew it didn't sound like me, but it was me.
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Speaker 1: So Jason, after all the cases you've handled, you don't
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Speaker 1: think this guy sounds unusually calm and see and I
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Speaker 1: remember that incident with your mom, and it's almost as
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Speaker 1: if you could hear a heart eating through that phone
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Speaker 1: so loud, because it's literally pumping out of your chest.
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Speaker 1: Your adrenaline is just and he's notwithstanding that he who
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Speaker 1: were just murdered and someone tried to murder him, attempted
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Speaker 1: murder My god, your your your emotions. I could not
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Speaker 1: possibly imagine that that voice was so another thing. Jason
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Speaker 1: oceans Uh, veteran trial lawyer joining me out of New York.
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Speaker 1: Also with me, guys. Dr Brian Russell, psychologist and lawyer. Okay, Jason,
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Speaker 1: he's got a leg up on us. He's going to
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Speaker 1: rub it in our nose. Is he's not just a lawyer,
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Speaker 1: he's also a psychologist and he's the host of investigation
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Speaker 1: discoveries hit series Fatal Vows. Okay, so you know, just
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Speaker 1: to you on those sour grapes, Jason motions. Dr Brian
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Speaker 1: Russell with us also Francie Higgs, former federal prosecutor and
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Speaker 1: John Limley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Before I
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Speaker 1: raced to a conclusion here, I need to hear a
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Speaker 1: little bit more. I don't know the circumstances around this
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Speaker 1: nine one one call. All I know right now at
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Speaker 1: this juncture, two little girls are dead by gunshot wound,
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Speaker 1: and I've got this seemingly normal nine one one call.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, let's listen to more. Hello, that's from a MS.
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Speaker 1: We got this connecta. Okay, tell me exactly what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Um my wife, she's buck something going on with her. Okay,
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Speaker 1: they need to tribe what's going on the symptom. I
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Speaker 1: like she's forging out, like somebody got to get hurt. Okay,
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Speaker 1: dam a strip my mom wanten to me, You want
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Speaker 1: to talk to me. I'm good, She'll wake Okay? Is
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Speaker 1: she burthing if she's saying she's okay. Now I'm starting
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Speaker 1: to understand what's happening. Why he's so calm to John Limley,
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Speaker 1: crime online dot Com investigative reporter and ps. If you
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Speaker 1: want the breaking crime and justice needs, go to crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com. It's always right there. John Limley, the
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Speaker 1: first call. When I was commenting, while why is he
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Speaker 1: so calm? The girls were not dead yet? That's why,
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Speaker 1: that's why that's absolutely correct. Uh, it was still a
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Speaker 1: few hours away. In fact, if I could go back
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Speaker 1: and sort of set the scene as far as I
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Speaker 1: knew that, you would you love quote setting the scene. Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, but f F fast forward. I want to
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Speaker 1: find out why are there two little dead girls in
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Speaker 1: the home? But go ahead, set the scene for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: said the scene gladly. Jacob and Sarah Henderson. That's the
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Speaker 1: wife he's talking about. They lived in a witted life.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, John Limley. The man and the woman
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Speaker 1: are married and they live in the home together with
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Speaker 1: the two little girls. Let me understand the husband. That's
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Speaker 1: the husband's voice, I hear being so calm. They somehow
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Speaker 1: get disconnected. I can only imagine how, and they the
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Speaker 1: operator calls the number back. Is that the mom that
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Speaker 1: also sounded extremely calm? Is that the mother we're talking about? Correct?
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Speaker 1: In the background here, Sarah Henderson. They lived with their
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Speaker 1: two little girls, seven year old Kayley and five year
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Speaker 1: old Kinley. Jacob incidentally not the children's biological father. In
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Speaker 1: photos you can find on Facebook and elsewhere. You can
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Speaker 1: see the couple smiling, having a good time at various gatherings.
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Speaker 1: In one photo, the girls are dressed in identical white
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Speaker 1: tutoos and cowboy boots at some community event. There obviously
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Speaker 1: the hit of that evening. Just as cute as they
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Speaker 1: can be, they made quite the impression of a close, happy,
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Speaker 1: carefree family. Things were different though behind closed doors, especially
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Speaker 1: before Jake even entered the scene. When the girls were younger,
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Speaker 1: just little babies really, Sarah had been no strange to
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Speaker 1: child protective services. She had spent time with social workers
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Speaker 1: who had been checking all the girls welfare. In a
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Speaker 1: case from when the girls were just an infant and
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Speaker 1: a toddler, social workers found quote considerable or extreme child vulnerability.
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Speaker 1: And you'll see what I mean by that. Reports found
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Speaker 1: Henderson and her boyfriend at the time, we're not providing
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Speaker 1: appropriate supervision, resulting in the child and this is another
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Speaker 1: quote from the report, eating feces, falling off a truck
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Speaker 1: and being hospitalized for possible Okay, stop right there, stop
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Speaker 1: right there, stop right there. I was just waiting for
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Speaker 1: you to to tell me what the charge was exactly.
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Speaker 1: Francy hikes with me, former federal prosecutor and also named
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Speaker 1: by the federal government as really the czar or. I
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Speaker 1: guess in your case this is Zarina of abducted and
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Speaker 1: exploited children. That's a huge, huge task, Francy Higgs joining me.
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Speaker 1: You know when I right now I'm getting chills on
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Speaker 1: my arms, Francie, because these children were in danger and
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Speaker 1: Child Protective Services knew about it. The baby is eating
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Speaker 1: human feces falling off the truck. I mean, did you
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Speaker 1: see the other day, Francie where a woman got CPS
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Speaker 1: called on her when she let her child, her eight
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Speaker 1: or eleven year old daughter walk around the block with
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Speaker 1: the dog, take the dog on walk alone. She gets
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Speaker 1: CPS call and they leave. Yet they leave these children
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Speaker 1: in the home. Now the children are dead. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how do CPS live with themselves, Francie. But again, it's
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Speaker 1: not them, it's the parents that are letting this happen.
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Speaker 1: Here's the mom with some boyfriends lung up in the
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Speaker 1: house and not judging. Don't care. Don't judge me, Marley.
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Speaker 1: I will not judge you. So she's got that situation
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Speaker 1: going on with the boyfriend, but I will judge her
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Speaker 1: as it relates to the way the children are treated
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Speaker 1: and now common denominator mommy, mommy. Now she has a
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Speaker 1: husband and the children are still being mistreated. They're dead, Francie, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it is a this is just an appalling case. But
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Speaker 1: I have really one key question and I don't think
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Speaker 1: I can answer yours. Ultimately, the criminal is the one
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Speaker 1: responsible for the crime. We can all agree on that.
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Speaker 1: But Nancy, how many cases have we seen where child
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Speaker 1: Protective Services knows about neglect and even abusive bevior? Their
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Speaker 1: goal is to reunite these families to the extent they're
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Speaker 1: ever not united, and it is almost always at the
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Speaker 1: expense of the child. When will we actually protect children?
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Speaker 1: Because I don't see it happening yet. Wanna hear what
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Speaker 1: still don't with all of your scene setting, John Lenly,
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Speaker 1: I still don't know exactly what happens with the children.
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Speaker 1: Let's go a little further than nine on one m Good.
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Speaker 1: Is she awake? Okay? Violent? No, she seems she's hard
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Speaker 1: now okay, we can still have them come out and
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Speaker 1: check her out, okay, okay. Then does she have a weapon? No?
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Speaker 1: Where is she right now? Is this a suicide account? No? No,
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Speaker 1: is she thinking about committing food side? No? Is she
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Speaker 1: completely alert? Yeah, just do a different state of mine.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back on Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You're listening to crime stories. We're bringing you the story,
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Speaker 1: the real story, the real case of two little Texas
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Speaker 1: girls found dead in their own home. And we've been
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Speaker 1: playing in nine one one call a series of them
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Speaker 1: where the husband is calling in that something's wrong with
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Speaker 1: his wife. But as we just end and we hear
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Speaker 1: him say, okay, she's fine. You hear her in the background,
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Speaker 1: extremely calm. But just seven minutes later, listen to this
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Speaker 1: Henderson County, m my wild Okay is this taka? Okay?
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Speaker 1: What is your wife? She's trying to CON's what do
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Speaker 1: you keep? What's her name? Sir? A hand this time? Okay, yeah, okay?
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Speaker 1: What alright? And how old are the children? That just
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Speaker 1: seven minutes later and the children are ed and he's
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Speaker 1: saying she was trying to kill herself, but Whoopsie, she
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Speaker 1: killed the two children. And Jackie Howard here in the
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Speaker 1: studio is going did you hear him say she's grabbing
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Speaker 1: her own neck trying to strangle herself. Really, Jackie, why
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Speaker 1: didn't she use the gun on herself. What about that?
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Speaker 1: I am not buying any of it. Claiming she was
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Speaker 1: trying to commit suicide? Why is that? Dr Brian Russell,
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Speaker 1: you're the psychologist and the law, you're a host of
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Speaker 1: investigation discoveries fatal vows. Why is it they always say
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Speaker 1: I was trying to commit suicide, but instead I slaughtered
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Speaker 1: all my children and I lived. Yeah. Actually, we've seen
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Speaker 1: this time and time again in case after case on
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Speaker 1: fatal vows where someone has said, oh, I came in
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Speaker 1: and I caught the person right in the throes of
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Speaker 1: a suicidal attempt, and I tried to stop it, and
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Speaker 1: we struggled for the gun and lo and behold, I
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Speaker 1: shot them. So it's it's actually more common than you
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Speaker 1: might think for people to try to use it. To me,
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Speaker 1: that means, okay, I see where you're where your head.
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Speaker 1: They're trying to use the suicide claim joining me Jason
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Speaker 1: Ocean's trial lawyer in multiple jurisdictions. Dr Brian Russell, Discovery
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Speaker 1: I D Fatal Vows. Francy Higgs, former federal prosecutor, and
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Speaker 1: John Limley, investigative reporter with Crime online dot Com. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me understand John Limley. So seven minutes before this,
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Speaker 1: he's on the phone with nine one one. He said,
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Speaker 1: my wife is acting erratic. She thinks somebody's after her.
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Speaker 1: Everything's fine, and you can hear the woman on the phone,
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Speaker 1: she sounds perfectly normal. In the seven minutes later, the
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Speaker 1: children are did what happened? In the background, you can
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Speaker 1: hear Sarah asking why did I do that? Jake? Now,
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Speaker 1: according to Jake, he had just fallen back asleep and
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Speaker 1: was awakened by his wife right by his side. In
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Speaker 1: his ears say Jake, I shot the kids. And in
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call, you can hear Jacob blurting
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Speaker 1: police to what they would find. The girls reported to
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Speaker 1: be Kaylee and Kinley. They were asleep in the living
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Speaker 1: room and that is where Sarah shot them. This is
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Speaker 1: also what I know then that that second call comes
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Speaker 1: in at two a m. And Jason Oceans, you've tried,
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Speaker 1: I guess as many or more cases than I have.
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Speaker 1: I've always told your's nothing good happens after midnight. Nothing
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Speaker 1: good is to two a m. And she shoots her children.
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Speaker 1: Now what about this, Jason Oceans. We now know there's
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Speaker 1: a mental defect defense going on, But She immediately comes
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Speaker 1: in and tells her husband, Hey, honey, I just shot
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Speaker 1: the kids. She knows exactly what she did. Jason, how
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Speaker 1: are you going to handle that at trial? I mean,
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Speaker 1: her insanity was so temporary, it only lasted a few minutes.
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Speaker 1: Competency versus sanity will be will be the you know,
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Speaker 1: the aspect of the defenses as you go through that.
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Speaker 1: I think from me though, I'm more interested in the
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Speaker 1: fact that he went back to sleep seven minutes from
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Speaker 1: when he was calling the police relentlessly and kind his
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Speaker 1: wife was out of her mind. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: where was the gun? I think, you know, if the
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Speaker 1: child projective suns was bringing the family back together, the
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Speaker 1: shorter would like to know if there was a legal
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Speaker 1: gun in possession, and where's the gun? That's your concern.
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned about seven year old Kiley and five year
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Speaker 1: old kid shot execution style. Both shot execution style in
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Speaker 1: the head. So, Francie Haiggs, former federal prosecutor, how crazy
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Speaker 1: is that? Do you think that she can go in?
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Speaker 1: She waits till her husband is asleep, much like Andrew
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Speaker 1: Yates waited for her husband Rusty to leave to go
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Speaker 1: to work. That she locks all the doors and systematically
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Speaker 1: kills one child after the next, and then lays them
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Speaker 1: on the bed. Here we've got her waiting till the
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Speaker 1: husband is back asleep, retrieving the weapon, shooting east child
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Speaker 1: execution style in the head as they lay defenseless and sleeping.
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Speaker 1: M What doesn't sound much like insanity to me. It
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Speaker 1: sounds like a very much of a plan. I'm also curious,
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Speaker 1: Nancy about the husband's claim that he was awakened by
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Speaker 1: her telling him she shot the children. You know what,
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Speaker 1: I know. We're from the South. We know what a
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Speaker 1: gun shot sounds like. There were at least two of them.
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Speaker 1: How did that not awaken the hust Well, hold on,
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Speaker 1: let let let me correct everybody. I never knew anything
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Speaker 1: about a gun period until my fiance was murdered. I
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Speaker 1: don't know about everybody else in the quote South. I
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Speaker 1: do find unusual he didn't hear anything but Francy for
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Speaker 1: all I know. That adds to her planning, that she
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Speaker 1: somehow muffled the sound of the gun. That's a great point, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: She very well could have. And I think it's also
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Speaker 1: interesting that as a as a society, we think if
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Speaker 1: a mother kills her children there must be something wrong
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Speaker 1: with her. It's easy to buy the insanity claim. But
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Speaker 1: we have the other example recently of the father in
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Speaker 1: Colorado who murdered his wife and two daughters. No one's
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Speaker 1: really saying he was insane, It's just evil. Why is
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Speaker 1: there a difference in treatment. Well, hold on to your hat, everybody,
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Speaker 1: because listen to this. In the last hours, a stunning
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Speaker 1: new and bizarre twist in the story where you're learning
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Speaker 1: now that this horrific case has taken another turn. Investigators
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Speaker 1: just announcing that mommy Sarah Henderson had planned for at
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Speaker 1: least two weeks to kill her children two weeks and
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Speaker 1: not only that, she also planned to kill the husband too.
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Speaker 1: But the entire crime did not go as planned because
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Speaker 1: the gun seemingly malfunction when she tried to kill Jacob two.
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Speaker 1: I guess didn't try to make it look like a
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Speaker 1: home invasion. Yes, she planned it for two weeks, John Limley,
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Speaker 1: give me the latest. Well that maybe mother accused of
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Speaker 1: shooting her two children. She will undergo further testing, but
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Speaker 1: has so far by two doctors, been found competent to
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Speaker 1: stand trial. The defense has requested that she be tested
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Speaker 1: by three doctors for incentive. Let's take a listen and
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Speaker 1: figure out what we can learn from the rest of
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call. Was the husband in on it?
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Speaker 1: Is he the innocent victim? What we know right now
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Speaker 1: is this case has taken a stunning, bizarre and dark twist.
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Speaker 1: Did mommy plan the murder offer two little girls ages
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Speaker 1: five and seven for two weeks? Are they in the bedroom?
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Speaker 1: There in the living room and they're not breathing? No?
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Speaker 1: For you home? When she did the third? Did you
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Speaker 1: just get home? Oh? You were a fleet? Is the
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Speaker 1: end of the influence of any drugs or alcohol? They
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Speaker 1: were in fleet in the living room and then she
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Speaker 1: when in there? And were you as sleep in the bedroom? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Was Sarah sleep in the bedroom with you? And she
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Speaker 1: got up? I guess I want to sleep at night,
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Speaker 1: and I woke up and I didn't want to believe it.
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Speaker 1: I went in there. You are hearing the husband of
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Speaker 1: Sarah Henderson. He sounded genuine to me. You know, at
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Speaker 1: first you've got to look at him as a possible
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Speaker 1: accomplice because they're both the adults in the home. The
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Speaker 1: children are dead. Was he part of it? But I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you to me, and this is just I'm just
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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer. You're the shrink. Dr Brian Russell, host
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Speaker 1: of I D S Fatal, vows he sounds genuine I
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Speaker 1: believe agree. I agree, he sounds genuinely distraught, and at
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Speaker 1: this point it doesn't sound like there's any reason to
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Speaker 1: believe that he had anything to do with the planet.
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Speaker 1: To John Limley, investigative reporter of Crime online dot Com,
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Speaker 1: so the dad is saying he's sleep, the husband, the
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Speaker 1: two little girls, dad, Keiley and Kenley, are dead, and
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Speaker 1: we're hearing the nine one one call. He sounds genuine
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Speaker 1: to me. I don't think he was part of this,
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Speaker 1: John Limley, We have no reason to believe that that
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Speaker 1: he was involved whatsoever. This seems to have come out
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Speaker 1: of absolute thin air as far as he was concerned. Well,
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Speaker 1: I want to tell you another fact that we've learned,
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Speaker 1: Jason Oceans. We now are here that the neighbors say
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Speaker 1: that she, Sarah Henderson, acted strangely. Now, I thought at first,
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Speaker 1: when I learned that new piece of evidence that was
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Speaker 1: going to go to an insanity defense. I mean, was
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Speaker 1: she walking around the neighborhood naked? Was she, you know,
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Speaker 1: talking to the dog in the front yard or the trees,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, exhibiting unusual behavior. What they mean by
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Speaker 1: that is that she was constantly screaming at her children.
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Speaker 1: Quote neighbor says Jalen Palmer. You just heard her yelling
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Speaker 1: at the kids all the time. You know what last night, Jason,
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Speaker 1: the twins they have selected instruments. Today is the first
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Speaker 1: day they got to take their instruments to school. Lucy,
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Speaker 1: as I say, has the bassinet, which drives her crazy.
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Speaker 1: It's the clarinet, but I keep saying bassanet every time,
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Speaker 1: and every time she never catches on. I'm doing it
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Speaker 1: on purpose. It was the clariet. Uh. And John David
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Speaker 1: has the sacks, okay, thank you lord. He did not
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Speaker 1: pick the tuba okay, which he was considering, thanks to
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Speaker 1: my husband. Anyway, he did pick the sacks. So last
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Speaker 1: night he comes up behind me as I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: get supper ready, goes really loud, but blast I jumped
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Speaker 1: and I turned around to him and I had a
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Speaker 1: like a main look, and he looked so upset on
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Speaker 1: his little face, and I immediately smiled with it's okay.
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Speaker 1: I was just scared, and I have thought about it.
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Speaker 1: I woke up in the night, thank you. Why did
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Speaker 1: I turn around with an irritated look on my face?
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Speaker 1: And I didn't even say anything, but just look, I
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Speaker 1: feel so bad about it because he's such a jolly,
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Speaker 1: happy boy, and Lucy's all like introspective and thinking all
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Speaker 1: the time and write scribbling notes to herself, and so
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Speaker 1: I immediately hugged him and told him he was awesome.
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Speaker 1: But I still think about it. You know, people notice
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Speaker 1: when you yell and scream at your children all the
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Speaker 1: time at the grocery store anywhere else when them Okay,
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Speaker 1: so I'm beating myself up over the trumpet blast in
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Speaker 1: the ear, and the neighbors had heard the mom just
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Speaker 1: screaming at the children. In the last days, new charges
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Speaker 1: have been added in a formal indictment. New charges for
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Speaker 1: this may Bank woman we know for a fact guns
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Speaker 1: down her children. But in the last day her bill
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Speaker 1: amount has been raised to two point one million dollars in.
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Speaker 1: Thirty year old Sarah Nicole Henderson now charged with two
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Speaker 1: counts of capital murder, one count of attempted murder, and
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Speaker 1: one count of assault on a public servant. Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what all the charges actually are
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Speaker 1: listen to this. We're getting out there that bigan. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you hear that, Jason Oceans, Your client
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Speaker 1: is claiming I'm not insane. I'm not insane. That's not
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Speaker 1: gonna help a trial that doesn't go towards towards anything
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Speaker 1: incompetens insanity. As I said before, it's fairly routine to
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Speaker 1: have another you know, the defense to have another examination
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Speaker 1: based on that. But clearly it was Yeah, she's telling us, Jason,
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Speaker 1: depositive ant. She actually that would just go fund of
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Speaker 1: them prove that she actually was cons that's not going
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Speaker 1: to be the determined fact. Jason, don't throw your big
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Speaker 1: law your words at me. That's not a positive. What
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Speaker 1: he's trying to say is that doesn't prove anything, and
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Speaker 1: I will I will give you this, Jason. Otions crazy
23:21
Speaker 1: people never think they're crazy. They think they're perfectly saying.
23:24
Speaker 1: It's the same ones that go, am I crazy when
23:27
Speaker 1: something doesn't make sense? I mean, Dr Brian Russell, that's
23:30
Speaker 1: an anecdote. But are we right about that? Yeah? I
23:34
Speaker 1: think you're making it an important point, which is that
23:37
Speaker 1: anytime somebody has massive motivation to make themselves out to
23:44
Speaker 1: be crazy, you've got to take that with a grain
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Speaker 1: of salt. The vast majority of us do not want
23:52
Speaker 1: to be seen as crazy, and we would be horrified
23:57
Speaker 1: if we thought that we picked up on some signs
23:59
Speaker 1: that made something was off with us. Mentioned guys, I'm
24:02
Speaker 1: looking at the brand new charges in the indictment. John
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Speaker 1: Linley explained what they are. We've got two counts of
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Speaker 1: capital murder. And when they say capital, this is Texas.
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Speaker 1: You get more than one body under the law. That's
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Speaker 1: mass murder. She could be looking at the death penalty,
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Speaker 1: but let's not put the car before the horse. We've
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Speaker 1: got two counts of capital murder, one count of attempted
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Speaker 1: murder I'm assuming that's on the husband who's lying there asleep,
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Speaker 1: and then one count of assault on a public servant.
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Speaker 1: Explained to me what the counts are, John, Well, the
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Speaker 1: two capital offenses. Those that is, the murder of the
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Speaker 1: two little girls and the assault on the public servant.
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Speaker 1: Arose two days later, while Sarah Henderson was being held
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Speaker 1: in the Henderson County Jail, where she is accused of
24:47
Speaker 1: striking a detention officer while he was attempting to release
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Speaker 1: her from her restraints. Well, I guess she didn't get
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Speaker 1: those restraints off anytime soon. I'm wondering if this is
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Speaker 1: going to culminate in a death penalty case. But what
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about right now, she's got to claim insanity
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Speaker 1: at the time of the incident, but she's also claiming
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Speaker 1: incompetency to stand trial. Francy Haggs. Explain the difference and
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Speaker 1: somebody claiming I was insane at the time and or
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Speaker 1: versus I'm incompetent to stand trial. Well, Nancy, competency to
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Speaker 1: stand trial is just merely do you understand the charges
25:24
Speaker 1: against you and can you aid your lawyers in your
25:26
Speaker 1: own defense. That means, now, whether you're on medication or
25:30
Speaker 1: whether your mental state is stabilized, can you help in
25:32
Speaker 1: your own defense. Insanity just means at the time you've
25:35
Speaker 1: committed the crime, you could not appreciate right from wrong
25:38
Speaker 1: or could not control your impulses. I think the most
25:41
Speaker 1: significant thing here, Nancy, in these new charges that you've
25:43
Speaker 1: mentioned is the assault on the public official. Because you
25:47
Speaker 1: and I both know that is kind of a penny
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Speaker 1: any charge, it may even be a misdemeanor. Why did
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Speaker 1: the prosecutors include it in an indictment for capital murder,
25:55
Speaker 1: where the charges are obviously incredibly serious. I suggest to
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Speaker 1: you that it is in a tempt to refute the
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Speaker 1: insanity defense. She had not insane and wasn't at the
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Speaker 1: time of the crime, and look at what she did
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Speaker 1: on purpose just two days later in jail. Well, put again,
26:10
Speaker 1: I'm coming through the nine one one call to see
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Speaker 1: if I can glean any other evidence. And you've you've
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Speaker 1: got to have your mind open. Are we going to
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Speaker 1: hear something that suggests she is insane that the defense
26:21
Speaker 1: is going to use. Does she say anything incriminating? You've
26:24
Speaker 1: got to listen where No, Jacob, can you hear me? Where?
26:39
Speaker 1: Where did where did she shoot the kids? And you
26:46
Speaker 1: have gone down there and kneeled against them and they're
26:48
Speaker 1: not breathing. Okay, it's almost too upsetting for me to
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Speaker 1: even listen to. As you hear the husband crying into
27:04
Speaker 1: the nine one call and you hear Sarah Henderson just
27:06
Speaker 1: walking him. Little does he know at that juncture she
27:09
Speaker 1: just tried to kill him. She tried to fire a
27:11
Speaker 1: bullet into his head as he lay sleeping. After she
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Speaker 1: murders her two children. We were learning now that this
27:18
Speaker 1: wasn't a spur of the moment act that she had
27:21
Speaker 1: allegedly been planning to murder her children for two weeks
27:27
Speaker 1: to Jason Notions, veteran trial lawyer joining me out of
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Speaker 1: New York along with Dr Brian Russell, host of investigation
27:33
Speaker 1: discoveries hit series Fatal Vows, Francie Haig's former federal prosecutor,
27:38
Speaker 1: and John Limley, investigative reporter Crime Online. Jason, that's why
27:43
Speaker 1: I brought up earlier the fact that neighbors witnessed her
27:47
Speaker 1: screaming at her little girls all the time. That was
27:52
Speaker 1: the behavior there. That's m O. That's gonna come in
27:54
Speaker 1: at trial. Jason. I know you don't like that, but
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Speaker 1: it is so I don't think it's put in a
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Speaker 1: particular way, and you know when that comes out in
28:05
Speaker 1: that will see what I will point out that most
28:09
Speaker 1: of the time when by their parents, it is as
28:13
Speaker 1: it described as the crime of passion. Most of the
28:15
Speaker 1: time when children are murdered by their parents, that's that's
28:19
Speaker 1: sort of what's happened. It's not planned. The fact that
28:21
Speaker 1: it that that you're alluding to the fact that it
28:23
Speaker 1: was planned or it's been hard of that fact and
28:27
Speaker 1: many times can go towards what I'm saying is our
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Speaker 1: actual what do you believe is the evidence, John Linley
28:32
Speaker 1: that she planned this for two weeks. This is what
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Speaker 1: investigators announced after they had interrogated Sarah Henderson, that she
28:41
Speaker 1: had planned for at least two weeks to kill her children.
28:45
Speaker 1: The authorities have not provided further details to support this claim.
28:49
Speaker 1: She also, as we have stated, intended to kill her
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Speaker 1: husband quote, but the entire crime did not go as planned.
28:56
Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious about what they're going to bring
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Speaker 1: forward Francy Haigs to show a that the gun malfunction
29:04
Speaker 1: when she tried to shoot her husband dad and be
29:07
Speaker 1: what was her planning process? How do we know she
29:09
Speaker 1: planned this for two weeks because in the last hours
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Speaker 1: we learned she has been declared competent to stand trial.
29:16
Speaker 1: She can assist her lawyer in her defense. That is
29:19
Speaker 1: the definition of competency. Or you in a stupor. I mean,
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Speaker 1: are you barking like a dog in corn Are you
29:26
Speaker 1: sitting there in a daze? That means you are incompetent.
29:29
Speaker 1: You can't help your defense lawyer. You've got to be
29:31
Speaker 1: competent to stand trial. Insanity at the time of the
29:35
Speaker 1: incident is a whole another can of worms where you
29:38
Speaker 1: claim you didn't know right from wrong at the time
29:40
Speaker 1: of the incident. But she's just been declared Francy Haiggs competent.
29:44
Speaker 1: What does that mean, Well, she's competent, Nancy. That means
29:46
Speaker 1: she can stand trial. She can be held responsible for
29:49
Speaker 1: the death of her children. And with respect to what
29:51
Speaker 1: kind of evidence is out there, I suspect you're gonna
29:53
Speaker 1: hear that there's a combination. First, the interview with her,
29:56
Speaker 1: which we don't know what it said, or what Sarah
29:58
Speaker 1: said during the interview with will be significant. But secondly,
30:01
Speaker 1: I bet the police have seized her mobile phone, possibly
30:06
Speaker 1: laptops or computers, and like we've seen in other cases
30:09
Speaker 1: like Casey Anthony for example, she may very well have
30:12
Speaker 1: done research on this topic and that may be why
30:15
Speaker 1: they feel like it was a planned crime, because there's
30:17
Speaker 1: some kind of research on how to get away with murder,
30:20
Speaker 1: how to shoot your children, best way to kill your children.
30:22
Speaker 1: Who knows what they will find, but I bet we'll
30:24
Speaker 1: see some of that coming in into evidence. That is
30:27
Speaker 1: a very good deduction, uh to Dr Brian Russell, I
30:31
Speaker 1: d S fatal vows host a neighbor the same woman
30:36
Speaker 1: that said she always saw Sarah Henderson heard her screaming
30:39
Speaker 1: and her children. Jelene Palmer told NBC DFW that, uh,
30:46
Speaker 1: the little girls would ride their bikes through her driveway,
30:50
Speaker 1: and the little girls are so sweet and loving that
30:52
Speaker 1: they would draw pictures for Jaylene and put them in
30:56
Speaker 1: the mailbox for jay Lene to find. You know what,
31:00
Speaker 1: Dr Brian, You've seen me dragging around with that horrible
31:04
Speaker 1: red backpack I've had for so long. It's stuffed with
31:08
Speaker 1: notes and scribblings and pictures that the twins have drawn
31:13
Speaker 1: over the years, and I can't I find them stuffed
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Speaker 1: in the kitchen drawer. I can't bear to throw them
31:18
Speaker 1: away because they remind me of when the twins were little, beauty,
31:22
Speaker 1: sweet babies and we're drawing scribblings, and I just think
31:27
Speaker 1: about this neighbor or Jalen Palmer, talking about how the
31:30
Speaker 1: two little girls would draw these pictures and leave them
31:32
Speaker 1: for her to find in her mailbox, and this mom
31:35
Speaker 1: shot them in the head. Well, you're making a very
31:38
Speaker 1: important point because most of us identify with exactly what
31:41
Speaker 1: you're saying about the parental and certainly the maternal instinct
31:47
Speaker 1: and feelings that you have towards your children. I think
31:50
Speaker 1: that's what most people expect of most mothers, and so
31:54
Speaker 1: how that can be a detriment in a case like
31:57
Speaker 1: this is that it does cause jurors sometimes to think, well,
32:03
Speaker 1: no mother would ever do something like this unless she
32:08
Speaker 1: was insane at the time. And I'm here to tell
32:10
Speaker 1: you and everybody listening that that is not true. There
32:14
Speaker 1: are people out there so cold, so callous, so depraved
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Speaker 1: and indifferent even towards their own children that uh, their frustration,
32:24
Speaker 1: they're anger, they're inconvenience whatever of having those kids around
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Speaker 1: to them outweighs any kind of attachment that they don't form,
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Speaker 1: any kind of attachment like you have with your kids.
32:35
Speaker 1: We are learning Keiley Danielle, seven years old, and Kenley five,
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Speaker 1: both shot in the middle of the night. I'm learning
32:44
Speaker 1: where police are getting some of their allegations. Now you
32:48
Speaker 1: heard the husband, Jacob Henderson, telling nine one one dispatch
32:51
Speaker 1: she was asleep when I went to sleep last night.
32:54
Speaker 1: She comes in and says, Babe, I just shot the kids.
32:58
Speaker 1: The mother of Ki and Killing reportedly tells Texas police
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Speaker 1: she planned at least two weeks to kill her daughters
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Speaker 1: and her husband. She claims she was planning to shoot
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Speaker 1: herself that didn't happen. This is what we are learning
33:15
Speaker 1: about Sarah Henderson. We have no indication she had ever
33:19
Speaker 1: tried to commit suicide before you hear talking very plainly
33:24
Speaker 1: on the phone. We also know that she had smoked
33:28
Speaker 1: marijuana early in the evening according to her. That doesn't
33:35
Speaker 1: change anything to Jason notion. Smoking a ton of pot,
33:39
Speaker 1: even if it's synthetic pot laced with something else, that
33:43
Speaker 1: doesn't negate that she planned this for two weeks. Also,
33:47
Speaker 1: the voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is never a defense, Jason,
33:53
Speaker 1: certainly no no defense. What's let Actually it goes through
33:56
Speaker 1: our altered state and lack of parental responsibility and intent.
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Speaker 1: Could father again her ability not to be you know,
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Speaker 1: beyond the competence and just not to be sae Uh
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Speaker 1: send the back down and examination into how to gamble
34:09
Speaker 1: the children beyond the screaming and yelling. Uh all could
34:12
Speaker 1: total up that there's a package of just lack of
34:16
Speaker 1: lack of salmon and beyond the competency. Take a listen
34:19
Speaker 1: as friends of the family react. We thought we would
34:22
Speaker 1: come out and bring a stuffed animal and just show
34:26
Speaker 1: our support there are angels. Nobody deserves that. How how
34:32
Speaker 1: could you even do something like that? Here was my friend.
34:35
Speaker 1: I didn't see indications that she was you know, crazy
34:38
Speaker 1: or suicidal or a killer or you know, I didn't
34:41
Speaker 1: see those she left her kids, you know, I mean
34:43
Speaker 1: they were tattooed on both legs and you know, I mean, um,
34:46
Speaker 1: she she was a good mom. I mean, your kids
34:48
Speaker 1: were always fair, clean, they were always like, respectful to everybody.
34:51
Speaker 1: That's bridget goals. Jackie Nilms and Tina share me as
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Speaker 1: they look back, trying to make sense of the deaths
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Speaker 1: of two little girls. Else it will all unfold in
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Speaker 1: a Texas courtroom. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,