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Joe Previews UFC 330 with Aljamain Sterling(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan experience. So tell me what you think
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  Speaker 1: about this weekend. Islam versus Ian Gary.
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  Speaker 2: So what's fascinating about this matchup is how well Ian
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  Speaker 2: Gary can control the range. I think he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be much bigger than Islam in a sense of height,
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  Speaker 2: reach advantage. In terms of size, I never thought Ian
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  Speaker 2: was the biggest welterweight. I still don't think he is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he can't be. He's so tall. He can't be thick.
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  Speaker 2: No, but in a sense, even when you're talking just
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  Speaker 2: from a weight standpoint, from what he was walking around at,
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  Speaker 2: I forgot what he told me he walked around at,
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  Speaker 2: but he wasn't cutting a whole lot of weight. I
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  Speaker 2: want to say off the top of my head, maybe
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  Speaker 2: 10 pounds.
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  Speaker 1: Which is why he's so healthy. Yeah. He has such energy.
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  Speaker 2: So I go, you're cutting just this and you're going
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  Speaker 2: out there and doing this to these guys who are
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  Speaker 2: essentially bigger, heavier guys, but he's got the speed advantage.
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  Speaker 2: The thing about Islam, he's such a complete fighter. He
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  Speaker 2: could do everything. But this will be the first time
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  Speaker 2: he's got a test with a guy who's a long man.
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  Speaker 2: And can he get inside, take him down? I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he's going to stand up and strike with him.
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  Speaker 2: He can, but I just don't think that's the path
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  Speaker 2: to victory against a guy like Ian.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he has any plans of standing up
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  Speaker 1: and striking with him other than as a means to
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  Speaker 1: an end. Yeah. And his grappling is so high level.
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  Speaker 1: Islam's grappling right now is at the top of the
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  Speaker 1: food chain. Jamie, pull up that card, the one this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: So we take a look at it. Yeah. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think about the Ian Gary Islam fight? If you
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  Speaker 1: had to predict.
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  Speaker 2: If I had to predict.
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  Speaker 1: If you're like on the UFC desk and they put
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  Speaker 1: you on the spot.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Islam Makachev did a really good job neutralizing JDM's boxing.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't really give him an opportunity to do anything. He
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  Speaker 2: chopped his legs away with the calf kicks. Controlled him
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  Speaker 2: in a clinch. The takedowns were relatively easy. He didn't
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  Speaker 2: even really have to set it up with, like, hands.
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  Speaker 2: He kind of just shot and just took them down
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  Speaker 2: at will. Ian Gary now, on the other hand, he's
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  Speaker 2: done a good job of showing takedown resilience. We saw
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  Speaker 2: that with Bilal Muhammad. Is Bilal Muhammad Makachev?
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  Speaker 1: No. No.
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  Speaker 2: He's not.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: But it definitely showed something. He did a good job
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  Speaker 2: with Shafqat as well, who is a bigger guy, was
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  Speaker 2: able to defend a bunch of times. I forgot if
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  Speaker 2: it was Shafqat who had his back, but he was
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  Speaker 2: able to defend.
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  Speaker 1: Shafqat's the guy who beat him. So Shavkat is the
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  Speaker 1: one loss that he has. And it was the grappling
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  Speaker 1: that Shavkat got him with. But he also blew out
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  Speaker 1: Shavkat's knee. That's why Shavkat has had all these surgeries.
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  Speaker 2: That oblique kick.
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  Speaker 1: That kick is so nasty. That's the one thing that
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  Speaker 1: I wonder. Should we not have that?
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  Speaker 2: You don't really like that one.
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  Speaker 1: You can defend it by not getting hit by it.
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  Speaker 1: But the problem is if you get hit by it,
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  Speaker 1: like Khalil Roundtree and Modestus Bukakis– When he went, turned
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  Speaker 1: his knee sideways.
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  Speaker 2: He stomped that thing.
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  Speaker 1: Stomped it. And that's a career changer. Like, it could
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  Speaker 1: be a career ender. Bukowskis came back, but.
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  Speaker 2: But this is two years now, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. For Shafqat, he's been out? Yep. He's had multiple surgeries.
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  Speaker 1: He had it done, and then it blew out again.
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  Speaker 1: Had to get it done again. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't know. The range, the reach advantage. I
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  Speaker 2: think Ian does a great job of using his lateral footwork.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. He's fast.
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  Speaker 2: Makhachev's not the fastest guy.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: But what he is, he's imposing. He knows how to
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  Speaker 2: cut you off. That Southpaw stance, I think, causes some
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  Speaker 2: problems for a lot of people. He's only lost, what,
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  Speaker 2: one time to the Adriano Martins with the head kick knockout?
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  Speaker 1: A punch. Was it a punch? Yeah, he got punched.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was a head kick. But either way,
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  Speaker 2: I think Ian's going to have to look to something
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  Speaker 2: like that, see if there's maybe some of those old
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  Speaker 2: tendencies that that punch was able to land. That was
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  Speaker 2: also such a younger version of Islam. I just don't
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  Speaker 2: see him making those mistakes again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: How does Ian win? He's going to have to point
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  Speaker 2: fight and sit on the outside and hope not to
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  Speaker 2: get tired going backwards the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And he got tired doing that against Carlos Prates. So
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  Speaker 2: this is a tough one for Gary. Can he get
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  Speaker 2: the upset? Of course, it's fighting. We just saw this
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  Speaker 2: with Gaethje and Teporia. But I would say Islam has
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  Speaker 2: the one shortcut way to win. Push him against the cage.
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  Speaker 2: Take him down. And even if he pushes him against
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  Speaker 2: the cage, I'm curious to know if They're curious to
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  Speaker 2: see if Gary can do damage in the clinch. Whenever
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  Speaker 2: I'm in the clinch with somebody, I always tell the guys,
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  Speaker 2: look for your knuckles and hit the eyeball.
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  Speaker 1: Hit the nose.
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  Speaker 2: Hit the soft spots that's going to make this guy
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  Speaker 2: uncomfortable in the clinch, not looking for his foot sweeps,
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  Speaker 2: where he's comfortable just resting on you, looking to set
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  Speaker 2: up his takedown, his next transition. And I learned this
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  Speaker 2: from Brian Carraway, my first pro loss in the UFC.
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  Speaker 2: After being 5-0, we clinch. I take him down. But
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  Speaker 2: in the clinch, while I'm going for the single leg,
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  Speaker 2: I have his leg up in the air. He's leaning
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  Speaker 2: over my back, and he's taking his knuckles, and he's
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  Speaker 2: just hitting me in the eye.
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  Speaker 1: Swallowed up my whole eye.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck is he hitting me with?
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  Speaker 2: And I go back, and I watch the tape, and
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  Speaker 2: I get to see, and I learn that. So I
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  Speaker 2: always share these little tricks and stuff with guys when
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  Speaker 2: I'm teaching them. So if Gary can land some good
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  Speaker 2: damage in those positions, kind of deter Islam a little
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  Speaker 2: bit or make him a little bit more sloppy on
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  Speaker 2: his finishes, it could cause some chaotic scrambles where he
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  Speaker 2: could potentially get to a good position and And maybe
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  Speaker 2: we see Islam on his back again, kind of like
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  Speaker 2: what happened with Volk. And when he was there with Volk,
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  Speaker 2: it did not look good.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And, of course, it's round five, so it's got to
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  Speaker 2: be fair.
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  Speaker 1: It was also a fight where the time was all
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  Speaker 1: fucked up and he didn't have as much time to rehydrate.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they did say something like that.
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  Speaker 1: He was compromised in that fight because of that, because
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  Speaker 1: he didn't have as much time to rehydrate because they
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  Speaker 1: were fighting in Australia and they were trying to fight
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  Speaker 1: on U.S. time.
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  Speaker 2: This one is the one that I'm really... Excited about too.
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  Speaker 2: Because Jillian is so fucking good on the ground. Top position,
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  Speaker 2: even off of her back. Mackenzie Dern is great off
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  Speaker 2: of her back. The top position too, she's more decorated
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the jiu-jitsu space. On the feet, she's
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  Speaker 2: more reckless. She's throwing caution to the wind because she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't care. She's not afraid to get her pretty face
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  Speaker 2: messed up. She's going to go in there and go
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  Speaker 2: after you. She's just attacking. Jillian, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: not as physical on the feet. Not a big puncher.
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  Speaker 2: Not a big kicker. She sets everything up looking for
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  Speaker 2: the takedown or the clinch to take you down, get
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  Speaker 2: to the back. But when she gets there and she
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  Speaker 2: gets you down, her ground and pound, it's nasty.
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  Speaker 1: The question is, is she going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: do it to a world champion like Mackenzie Dern?
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  Speaker 2: To a good position. Some of those other girls, she
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  Speaker 2: gets the back mount or full mount, and she's able
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  Speaker 2: to land these solid elbows, beat them up in that position.
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  Speaker 1: Mackenzie's a jiu-jitsu world champion.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different world. That's the hard part.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting. Go to the other wrestler card.
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  Speaker 1: Go back to it. Because I'm interested to see how
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  Speaker 1: Abdul Malik recovers from his last fight. against Bulgari. Bulgari's
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  Speaker 1: a monster, dude. That's a guy in the 185 pound
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  Speaker 1: division that's a real fucking problem. Yeah. He's a world-class striker.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he has a victory over Pereira in glory.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. One victory. And then he got starched in the rematch.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing with Malik is he was trying to
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  Speaker 2: go for the takedowns, but the setups were like, in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, from a wrestler standpoint. So I may be
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  Speaker 2: a little bit unfair with this criticism, but I just
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  Speaker 2: didn't think they were that good.
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  Speaker 1: He was also dealing with striking that was like way
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  Speaker 1: above and beyond him. Yeah. And that was part of
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  Speaker 1: the problem is that in the transitions, like trying to
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  Speaker 1: get close to him, you're dealing with a guy who's gigantic.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of the tallest guys in the division. He's
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  Speaker 1: so fucking big for 185, so long and so tall.
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  Speaker 1: And on top of it, world-class striker. And he's coming
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  Speaker 1: into his own as an MMA guy. And part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason is because He's down there in Connecticut with
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  Speaker 1: Glover and with Alex, and he's doing camps with those guys.
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  Speaker 1: So his grappling is now on point, much more confident
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  Speaker 1: on the feet, much more stable. But before that, I
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  Speaker 1: thought Mansour was a real potential world champion. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just so crazy. You can see somebody in
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  Speaker 2: one fight, and I see him in the next one,
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  Speaker 2: and you're just like, all right.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bad loss, too. It was a bad loss.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't good. It was a lot of, like, see
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  Speaker 1: if you can find that fight.
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  Speaker 2: Leg kicks, the jabs.
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  Speaker 1: He got beat up. So the thing was the amount
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  Speaker 1: of damage that he took, because he's so tough, the
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  Speaker 1: amount of damage he took before they stopped the fight
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  Speaker 1: was pretty extraordinary. It was a lot of damage.
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  Speaker 2: I was hoping he could get the fight down at
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  Speaker 2: least once.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah, he couldn't. It was a tough fight.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys at 185 that are a
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  Speaker 1: fucking problem, man. A lot of guys at 85 that
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  Speaker 1: are a real problem.
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  Speaker 2: But we need that in those divisions because those divisions
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  Speaker 2: have been so thin for so long. Like there's a
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  Speaker 2: couple of guys, right? But now you're starting to see more.
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  Speaker 2: Like even like the lower weight classes, a guy who's
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  Speaker 2: unranked like an Ethan Ewan.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And you're like, I'm excited about this division because I
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  Speaker 2: want to see how far I can go. You got
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  Speaker 2: a guy like Mansoor and I can't say the other
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  Speaker 2: guy's name.
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  Speaker 1: Abdul? Abdul. No, that's my answer. Bulgari?
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  Speaker 2: Bulgari. You got these two guys coming up.
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  Speaker 1: You got Ataba Gautier? How about that motherfucker?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He puts guys into orbit.
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  Speaker 2: He fought our guy, Ozzy Diaz, the last one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was a tough one.
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  Speaker 1: It was a tough one. Yeah, this is the fight.
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  Speaker 1: I mean... Mentzer is so tough that he was able
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  Speaker 1: to keep this fight going where a lot of guys
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  Speaker 1: would have got taken out early. But look at that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the elbows and the clinch, everything. He's just getting destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: You see how he's even trapping the wrist and then
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  Speaker 2: stepping in with the punches or stepping in with the elbows.
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  Speaker 1: Clean right hand, elbow. It's just Mentzer is so tough.
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  Speaker 1: He's so tough. He's just absorbing so much punishment. And finally,
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  Speaker 1: they stop it. But before the stoppage.
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  Speaker 2: He's waiting it all for him. The ref's like, get
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  Speaker 2: out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Before the stoppage, I think that was the end of
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  Speaker 1: a round. I don't even know if that was. That
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  Speaker 1: was the end of the round. Yeah, that wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: actual stoppage. So if you keep going in the fight,
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  Speaker 1: it gets even worse. I mean, the thing about stand-up
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  Speaker 1: is when you're dealing with a guy who's a world
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  Speaker 1: championship kickboxer and you can't take him down and he's
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  Speaker 1: got really good takedown defense and he's got a reach advantage...
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  Speaker 1: It's like everything possible that's terrible about what could happen
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  Speaker 1: is going on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that split right hand. Oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: I'm surprised he didn't just face plant after that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's so tough, man.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the durability.
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  Speaker 1: The durability, but the toughness is your problem is you
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  Speaker 1: get so many holes punched in your card in one fight.
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  Speaker 1: In one fight. Whereas if he got hit with one shot,
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  Speaker 1: one big shot is bad. He'd get taken out, but
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  Speaker 1: is not as bad as a prolonged beating over three rounds.
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  Speaker 2: I always say, I call them dings.
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  Speaker 1: There it is right there.
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  Speaker 2: There's only so many dings you can have in your
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  Speaker 2: career before.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like. This is the final, his body just couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: As tough as he is, and he's so tough, but
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  Speaker 1: the problem is that's the kind of fight where in
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  Speaker 1: boxing you wouldn't have, if you were a manager and
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  Speaker 1: he was your guy, you would not have had him
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  Speaker 1: fight him at this stage of his career. No, not
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  Speaker 1: at all. You'd be like, this is not a fight
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  Speaker 1: for you right now. We've got to really get our
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  Speaker 1: striking better. There's growth to be had before you fight
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  Speaker 1: that guy.
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  Speaker 2: But you've got to know that. And I think sometimes fighters,
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  Speaker 2: we can be so egotistical that I could beat anybody.
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  Speaker 2: But sometimes it's nice to be like, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: I could beat him, but just.
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  Speaker 2: Not right now. Let me beat somebody else. We'll get
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  Speaker 2: there when we get there. But the UFC does not
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  Speaker 2: give you that opportunity. The UFC is like, here's the wolves.
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  Speaker 2: You can say no, though.
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  Speaker 1: You can, but you might get shelved for a long
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  Speaker 1: fucking time if you say no. And a lot of
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  Speaker 1: guys know that.