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Dana White FUMBLED Shakur Stevenson · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: put your hands together for Luis Montemayor.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Thank you. Welcome back to the episode of
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  Speaker 3: the Mixed Company Podcast. Of course, My name is Jameson,
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  Speaker 3: and as always, I'm joined by Luis. Luis, what's going on, man?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, man, a lot of BS, to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why I censored it. We're rated E
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  Speaker 4: for explicit. A lot of bullshit in the boxing world.
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  Speaker 5: It's gotten bad or worse, though.
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  Speaker 4: We were talking last week about Shakur Stevenson possibly fighting
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  Speaker 4: Devin Haney. You made a very good point, saying we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to believe anything until it's on the dotted
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  Speaker 4: line and we've got an official announcement. There's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people on social media kind of saying, we got
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  Speaker 4: to fight, we got to fight, let's talk about it,
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  Speaker 4: Haney versus Shakur.
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  Speaker 5: Fell apart.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, you were, you were right that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we had a temporary expectations and then we got the news,
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  Speaker 4: I believe, but yesterday at the time of recording that
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  Speaker 4: Shakur is no longer with Zufa and is starting his
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  Speaker 4: own promotional company and still hyping himself up saying, man,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to have some great fights. It's going to
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  Speaker 4: be great for my career. Let's just put it out there.
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  Speaker 4: Neither of us are happy. This is fucking ridiculous. And
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  Speaker 4: you're talking to the guy that has been hyping up
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  Speaker 4: Shakur for years now when people were down on him,
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  Speaker 4: the reason to be a fan of a boxer is
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  Speaker 4: because they box. They get in the ring, they fight.
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  Speaker 4: And man, he, I'll just say he's lost me. So
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  Speaker 4: I want to get your take on this. We got
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  Speaker 4: a lot more to get into, but please, what are
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  Speaker 4: your thoughts on this?
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  Speaker 3: So it's a lot going on. I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of broken promises. I think there are a lot of
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  Speaker 3: mismanagement of funds. And at first I was upset at Shakur,
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  Speaker 3: but when Conor Ben's getting paid $ 15 million to make
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  Speaker 3: a fight, Shakur Stevenson, the better fighter, worth more than that.
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  Speaker 3: So if it is true that Conor Van got $ 15 million,
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  Speaker 3: then Shakur.
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  Speaker 2: Got to get $ 20.
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  Speaker 3: That's off math. Just off of raw math and numbers
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  Speaker 3: and shit. He has to get $ 20 or close to it.
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  Speaker 3: So if he got promised $ 15 and it got down.
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  Speaker 2: To $ 7, nah, that ain't going to work. It ain't
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  Speaker 2: going to work.
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  Speaker 3: However, the way Shakur has handled himself on social media,
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  Speaker 3: on TV, it leads... a lot to be desired. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of people are over it. So when you think
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  Speaker 3: about all that in once, it's like, all right, I
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  Speaker 3: get where he's coming from business-wise, but all the tough
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  Speaker 3: talk on social media has made this go way different,
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  Speaker 3: and people are just over it at this point. Now,
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  Speaker 3: with that being said, Zufa and the powers that be
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  Speaker 3: there got to get their stuff together. This era of
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  Speaker 3: boxers is very spoiled when it comes to making money.
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  Speaker 3: So if they're under a certain agreement of making a
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  Speaker 3: certain amount, you can't renege at the last minute or say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: that's not available.
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  Speaker 2: It don't work that way. It just doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and 100% agree that Shakur should have gotten paid
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  Speaker 4: as much or more than Conor Bennett, definitely.
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  Speaker 5: No, no question there.
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  Speaker 4: It's just the whole thing of signing with these people
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  Speaker 4: in a fight not happening, and whoever's fault it is
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, we're not getting matches.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what we're here for. That's what we're here
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  Speaker 4: to talk about. and man, again, you're talking to a
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  Speaker 4: guy who's give so much credit to fighters because I
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  Speaker 4: respect them.
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  Speaker 5: Getting into the ring is a big deal. It's dangerous. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: I admire them.
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  Speaker 4: Very much, but it's because I watched them fight, you know? And,
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  Speaker 4: and that's what, what it all boils down to me
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  Speaker 4: is that, you know, we're coming up. Shakur had his
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  Speaker 4: amazing matchup against tail female in January and nothing's going
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  Speaker 4: to happen for, you know, at the end of this year,
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  Speaker 4: I'm assuming him as.
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  Speaker 5: A free agent. And, uh, Yeah, I'm glad you brought
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  Speaker 5: up the point specifically about the amount of money that
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  Speaker 5: Zufa offered. You can't, you know, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: I said before that they're bringing in a lot of
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  Speaker 4: names like Conor Benn and Edgar Berlanga, not for name recognition,
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  Speaker 4: not for skills. And then Shakur, because they're putting a
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  Speaker 4: lot of money up front to get eyeballs coming in.
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  Speaker 4: But there is a very clear difference between those names
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  Speaker 4: at the top and then the younger up-and-coming guys that
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  Speaker 4: they sign, you know. When you got those names at
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  Speaker 4: the top, you got to be fair about how much
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  Speaker 4: you're paying all of them, knowing that they're underpaying the
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  Speaker 4: hell out of the little guys.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: This feels like live golf all over again.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like, all right, we're going to make a
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  Speaker 3: splash and throw money at things, but don't necessarily follow through.
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  Speaker 3: That's what this feels like. That's what it feels like.
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  Speaker 3: And I hope it's not the case, but those are
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  Speaker 3: the vibes I'm getting. And that's not good. That's not
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  Speaker 3: a good situation or a good experience. If that's going
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  Speaker 3: to be the case, then we have a whole different
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  Speaker 3: conversation to talk about, to be honest with you. But
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  Speaker 3: it feels like, hey, let's try something and then we
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  Speaker 3: don't know what we're doing and then just act clueless
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  Speaker 3: when things go a certain way. Why hasn't there been
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  Speaker 3: a statement about Shakur Stevenson leaving Zufa? Why hasn't there
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  Speaker 3: been any communication when that happens? It's just announced that
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  Speaker 3: he left and that's that. There's no communication, no response, no, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we were working on something and it didn't work out.
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  Speaker 3: We decided to go on a subway.
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  Speaker 2: No, nothing. Like, what's going on here? You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? So these are the things that are very
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  Speaker 2: upsetting for a new group, basically, that's trying to put
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  Speaker 2: on big fights and try to pay a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people money for this to be the case. I don't know, man.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a good look. It's not a good look
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 5: You know what's crazy? I just actually realized. You made
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  Speaker 5: me realize.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 5: There's no Zufa statement. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We're going off of, you know, what Shakur said, he
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  Speaker 4: made the announcement, this and that, and the news stories
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  Speaker 4: are all over the place, you know, but you're, you
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  Speaker 4: are a hundred percent correct.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't see it either. I kind of slipped through
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  Speaker 5: the cracks. That is crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Like, how do you just, that's your biggest name, your
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  Speaker 4: biggest deal, your biggest hype was signing this kid.
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  Speaker 5: And then it dissolves and it's just like, well, whatever,
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  Speaker 5: you know, let's, let's go.
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  Speaker 4: Dana White still, I guess, focused on trying to weasel
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  Speaker 4: his way into the Anthony Joshua Tyson Fury fight. And
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  Speaker 4: that's a whole other conversation. But, yeah, what the hell
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  Speaker 4: is happening with Shakur specifically?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, man. I don't know. It's a very
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  Speaker 3: weird situation. With all that being said, it's one of
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  Speaker 3: those things to where it feels like they're trying things
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  Speaker 3: out as they go. It doesn't feel very structured. It
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  Speaker 3: feels like, hey, let's just make a big fight and
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  Speaker 3: see what happens. Well, it's like, no, we're not there
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  Speaker 3: yet because Shakur hasn't fought in basically a year. So
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  Speaker 3: he needs actual fights. So by the time he has
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  Speaker 3: a fight, it's going to be damn near a year.
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  Speaker 3: He needs to actually fight someone to get his things
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  Speaker 3: going again. Haney is kind of in a similar situation.
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  Speaker 3: He needs to fight someone. So there's just a lot
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  Speaker 3: of random stuff. And it just feels like they're trying
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  Speaker 3: to throw darts at a board and hope things stick.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see it sticking, though. It feels very, very
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  Speaker 2: odd at this point.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned the live golf thing. I know literally
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  Speaker 4: three things about golf. I've never watched it in my life,
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  Speaker 4: never followed it. It's Tiger Woods, Happy Gilmore. And that
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  Speaker 4: Live Golf was a Saudi-backed business or whatever you want
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  Speaker 4: to call it that folded because they couldn't deliver on
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  Speaker 4: what they were promising.
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  Speaker 5: That's literally all I know about golf. And yeah, same thing.
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  Speaker 4: Data White, Zufa, and I forget the name of the,
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  Speaker 4: whatever the other, you know, corporation that Zufa's under is
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  Speaker 4: also Saudi-backed. So it seemed, it reminded me of this,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the Kid Mero actually on a podcast was
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  Speaker 4: talking about what happened when he had a lot of money,
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  Speaker 4: his first big paycheck, and he was doing stupid shit like,
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  Speaker 4: he was tipping 50% or even a hundred percent anywhere
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  Speaker 4: he went diners, this and that, and, you know, buying
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  Speaker 4: all kinds of things. And, you know, people around him
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  Speaker 4: told him like, don't, don't do that. That's literally what
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  Speaker 4: happens to people that have money and how they lose it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it felt like the Saudis and boxing and
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  Speaker 4: golf and all these enterprises and music, all these entertainments
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  Speaker 4: were like, we.
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  Speaker 5: Got all the money in the world.
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  Speaker 4: The party's never going to stop. Let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 4: do whatever we want. Let's, you know, just spend it here,
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  Speaker 4: spend 15 million on, on Connor Ben, et cetera. And just,
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  Speaker 4: We've seen that pattern over and over and over. And
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  Speaker 4: we're seeing it now in the short term with these
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  Speaker 4: enterprises in golf and in boxing.
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  Speaker 5: So you're right. It really does seem like it's just
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  Speaker 5: the same story over and over again. And I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I won't be sad if Zufa Boxing just
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  Speaker 4: kind of folds as well like Live Golf did. But
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  Speaker 4: there's a long ways to go from there.
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  Speaker 3: I just....
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  Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day, we've been
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  Speaker 4: proven right to, to patiently say, well, wait, but we're
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  Speaker 4: still not impressed with anything Dana White has been doing
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  Speaker 4: in the sport. So even Turkey, Ella shake, you know, as,
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  Speaker 4: as much as I have criticized the Saudis too, for
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  Speaker 4: being involved credit where credit is due.
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  Speaker 5: I've given him credit for.
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  Speaker 4: Putting together matches that people really want to see people
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  Speaker 4: better be of Canelo Crawford. You, those who were listening
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  Speaker 4: back then heard me losing my shit. When Bud Crawford
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  Speaker 4: got up on the ring, uh, at the, uh, at
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  Speaker 4: the end of that Canelo fight. And, um, I believe
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  Speaker 4: it was Cinco de Mayo last year. Uh, and I
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  Speaker 4: was thrilled. I was a fan boy, but yeah. And
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  Speaker 4: when you pull back and you look at it, you
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  Speaker 4: temper your expectations. You see this, it's just, this just
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have the juice, man. This, these enterprises just do
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  Speaker 4: not have the juice. So we'll keep an eye on
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  Speaker 4: what happens. We should, of course, Stevenson and Zufa boxing. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: but let's move on to something that happened last weekend. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: an enterprise that actually is killing it in the boxing scene. TNT,
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  Speaker 4: believe it or not. We talk a lot about the
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  Speaker 4: monthly events that they put on. They're called The Fight
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  Speaker 4: on TNT. Last weekend, really cool night of boxing. Awesome,
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  Speaker 4: exciting fight with Armando Resendiz and his opponent.
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  Speaker 2: Forgot the name.
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  Speaker 5: I apologize. And then the main event, Sebastian Fundora against
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  Speaker 5: Armand Hadribea. Hadribeaj.
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  Speaker 4: I mispronounced the last episode. But yeah, so really exciting fight.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of action.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, the crazy thing that happened was that went all
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  Speaker 4: 12 rounds, literally at the last second, when the bell rung,
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  Speaker 4: either Sebastian Funtura landed a hook on the chin, Haderbea
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  Speaker 4: went down and then the ref gave him an eight count.
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  Speaker 4: Haderbea was on his, was on his feet and the
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  Speaker 4: ref waved it off, called it a TKO. Uh, There's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of back and forth. Bud Crawford disagreed with
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  Speaker 4: the stoppage. Honestly, I'll give you my personal opinion. Let
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  Speaker 4: bro have it, man. He fell down when the bell rang. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: the ref has to stop somebody if they can't continue,
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  Speaker 4: but he wouldn't have been able to continue anyway.
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  Speaker 5: You could tell he was gone. Give him the 10 count, man.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how you feel about that.
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  Speaker 4: But he made it all 12 rounds literally on his feet,
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  Speaker 4: and there was no more fight to be had, so
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  Speaker 4: there's nothing about safety, protection, I think even if that's
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  Speaker 4: not the rules, I think you could have let it slide.
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  Speaker 5: Off for, for a hundred Bay out there.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: What are your thoughts about something like that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I don't like in box.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of letting anything slide because you
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  Speaker 3: got to be consistent with the rules.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: When you're not consistent, you get a lot of weird
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  Speaker 3: things and we already know when it comes to box
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  Speaker 3: and people already on guard when.
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  Speaker 2: It comes to anything consistent. Right. So whenever, whenever something
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  Speaker 2: happens out the blue, it's like, I don't know, or, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's rigged all of a sudden, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: So, I'm always one of those that whatever the rule is,
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  Speaker 3: stick by it, because if not, all hell breaks loose.
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  Speaker 5: Well, sure, and I do agree with that. Don't get
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  Speaker 5: me wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I'm saying the rule is don't stop a
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  Speaker 4: fighter to protect him or her so there's no permanent
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  Speaker 4: lasting damage, loss of life, my God. But there wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: have been. Again, the count happened. Honestly, the count happened
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  Speaker 4: after the bell rang. The count started after the bell rang.
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  Speaker 4: And another thing, like I said, But one thing if
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  Speaker 4: Hatterbea was still on his back at the eight count. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: for those, any listeners who might not know, refs always
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  Speaker 4: go through at least the full eight count, even if
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  Speaker 4: the fighter is standing on his feet, even if he's
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  Speaker 4: like looking like he's ready to go.
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  Speaker 5: They got to go through the eight. And then he
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  Speaker 5: waved it off. And here's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: If there was like one more second of the possibility
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  Speaker 4: of Hatterbea.
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  Speaker 5: Fighting, then yeah, wave it off. but we were done, man.
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  Speaker 5: So I see both sides. It's kind of my thing.
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  Speaker 5: It's like at the end of the day, this comes
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  Speaker 5: from a place.
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  Speaker 4: Of respect for Hunter Brea because he started off looking
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  Speaker 4: really good in the first few rounds, about three rounds,
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  Speaker 4: definitely after the second half of the fight. Fundano was
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  Speaker 4: just kicking his ass, and it was one of those
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  Speaker 4: matches where I actually was surprised that it went the distance.
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  Speaker 5: I was shocked. I thought somebody was going to get
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  Speaker 5: knocked out. There was going to be a stoppage.
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  Speaker 4: I personally, I've kind of grown to love those fights
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  Speaker 4: more than an actual fight where you get a TKO
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  Speaker 4: or somebody gets slept because it's that tension of like,
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  Speaker 4: they're not still going another round.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to stop this round, right? But I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: How do you feel about that?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's something I've kind of developed now that
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  Speaker 4: when I do see that happen, I feel kind of
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  Speaker 4: more engaged with a.
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  Speaker 5: Fight of like, is it going to stop? Is there
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  Speaker 5: going to be a KO? Will the ref stop it?
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  Speaker 2: I prefer a fight to stop early than late.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. If you give someone an extra round to show
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  Speaker 3: something in the first 30 seconds of the round, I
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  Speaker 3: can live with that.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm more for early.
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  Speaker 3: Stoppages than late stoppages because when it's early stoppage, people
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  Speaker 3: are mad for a minute, but at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, we're protecting someone's life. If they're getting beat
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  Speaker 3: up and they can't actually defend themselves or it's looking bad,
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  Speaker 3: I don't mind the plug being pulled. Unless it's like
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  Speaker 3: a big, big title fight, right? If it's a big
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  Speaker 3: title fight when Legacy's on the line, a little bit different.
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  Speaker 3: But if it's like a regular fight, I like to say,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, let's proceed on the side of caution
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  Speaker 3: here and go from there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and, you know, I'm not a professional. I'm not
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  Speaker 5: in the ring. I see everything on TV. So, you know,
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  Speaker 5: there's been times when I thought there's, the ref has
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  Speaker 5: to stop this fight. He absolutely, there's no question. And
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  Speaker 5: they don't. And I kind of worry, like, is everybody
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  Speaker 5: going to walk out of this okay, you know?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, but then there's that, you know, little, little area
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  Speaker 4: of like, all right, I thought that that should be stopped,
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  Speaker 4: but maybe it shouldn't. Maybe, you know, the ref really
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  Speaker 4: had good judgment based on whether this guy could continue
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  Speaker 4: or not. And if we go in that route and say,
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  Speaker 4: I don't feel like, you know, that, uh, anybody's life
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  Speaker 4: is in straight up danger. Again, that tension sort of
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  Speaker 4: sustained over that long period. It just kind of reminds
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  Speaker 4: me of why I love boxing in the first place.
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  Speaker 4: It's like excitement and just, you never know what's going
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  Speaker 4: to happen. uh and it's kind of the same thing
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  Speaker 4: as when you get a early knockout of of an
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  Speaker 4: upset if you got you know the big name the
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  Speaker 4: favorite and he gets you know his ass whooped by
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  Speaker 4: a lesser name in the first few rounds it's kind
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: of the same thing of like right holy shit i
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: did not expect that to go 12 rounds i did
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: not expect this guy to be on the ground you
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: know early but um but no i mean really i
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: had a really fun time watching that ended up uh
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: not going out and watching at home but um yeah.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: Props again to, to this merger between the zone and TNT,
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: this contract, it's just been so wonderful, especially when we
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: have bullshit, like we were just talking about, you know,
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: with your core and these big names, these big money backers,
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: Dana white, who's like the biggest name in, in combat.
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: Sports right now.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: And then you got old TNT crushing it month after month,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: you know, it's, it's, it's just been awesome to see. So, um,
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: didn't want to stick to, uh, stay too long on
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: that topic. I just want to get your take on,
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: on the stoppage, but, uh, moving on to a couple
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: of fighters that actually are professionals and get shit done
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: and get in the ring this Saturday. If you're listening
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: to this, when it comes out, it is October 24th. Uh,
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: we're going to see Emmanuel Navarrete versus Oshaki Foster. Very
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: excited about this fight ever since they announced it, a
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: mixed company fight, Mexican guy versus a black fighter. Uh,
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: not a mega fight by any means, but, uh, Let's
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: start here. Actually, Jameson, do you have the odds on
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: the fight between Navarrete and Foster?
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: So, according to Caesar's sportsbook, Foster is minus 170 to
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: win over Navarrete at plus 130. With that being said,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: there's some different odds. So, if you want to bet
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: it going the distance, that's an overwhelming favorite at minus 320,
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: which means you got to put 320 to win 100 back. Um...
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: It is favored to go over 10 and a half rounds,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: minus 400. I mean, you got to put up 400
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: to win 100 back on it going over 10 and
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: a half rounds. And then depending on who you think
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: is going to win. Now, already by decision is plus 300.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe you get your 300 for every 100 you put up.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Or if you think Foster is going to win by decision,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: it's basically even money. You put up 100 to get
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: 100 back. Those are like the main ones. The draw
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: is plus 1,400. So any fight that you think is
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: somewhat close, the draw is always there. It's not a
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: bad item. 1,400, put 102 on.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: That, you have a good day. So it just depends
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: on what your situation is, but yeah.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: What are the odds on the knockouts? Because both of
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: these guys are very aggressive fighters.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: So for Neverett to win by a knockout, it's plus 425.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: So meaning for every 100 you put, you get 425 back.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: And for Foster to win by knockout, it's actually plus 480,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: meaning you almost get 500 back for every 100 you
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: put up. So all powerful.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Good numbers.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm stoked because, like I said, both these
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: guys are very aggressive, and none of them kind of
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: pussyfoot around the ring. Neither of them pussyfoot around the ring.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: So I'm hoping that it's going to be very exciting.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: And the styles will be very interesting because those of
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: you who've seen him on Luis Navarrete, you know, Mexican style,
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: very aggressive, not very polished. Oshaki Foster, aggressive but also
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: more technical. Definitely had some great performances. Also, I believe,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: if I remember correctly, the last time he got a knockout,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: but it was late, probably like round 11 or something
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: Navarrete is known for closing the show early. I've seen
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: him box live twice. Actually, I've interviewed Emmanuel Navarrete myself
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: at a media day.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Interviewed him in Spanish, mind you, because I can do both.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: I don't see Max Kellerman doing that shit. But I
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: got to interview fighters in Spanish and English. But yeah,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: so Navarrete, front of the show. A question for you.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Both of these are, I would say, recognizable names. Not
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: the biggest stars in boxing today, but very recognizable. Specifically
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: for black boxing fans, Navarrete is not somebody that's fought
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: a lot of Mexican fighters, Hispanic fighters, a Filipino fighter.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: How does a Mexican fighter kind of become known to
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: the black community, the black fight fans, if he hasn't
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: really fought any black fighters?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Easy.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Knocking people out. That's the thing.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Winning decisively is how you gain fans off top. People
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: don't remember. Triple G had a lot of Mexican fans.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of black.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Triple G fans as well.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: A lot because he knocked folks out and his fighting
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: style was very fun to watch because.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: He would engage a lot.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: So people understand the biggest way to gain fans is
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: to fight an entertaining brand of boxing. That's the way.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: That's the surefire way by far. So All that being said,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: it's one of those things, man, where your boxing is
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: what sells. There's a reason why certain guys may not
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: be the best boxer ever, but they always sell out.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: There's always people. They always have fans. That's just how
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: it goes. So, thought being said, being a knockout artist
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: is a surefire... I'll put it this way. It's a
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: reason why Tank has more fans than Haney and Shakur
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: come on. It's a reason why. And I'm not saying
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: who's a better boxer or whatever, but it's... just a
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: reason why. Tank knocks people out. He's known for being
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: a knockout artist. He's known for his fights being entertaining.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: That's how you gain fans, not how great of a
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: boxer you are. That definitely does matter, but it's not
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: the end-all, be-all when it comes to casual people. The
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: casual person that knows of boxing knows who Tank Davis is.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: That's the difference.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: So knocking people out is what gets you fans across
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the board, especially with us.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you and I, you know, it's fair to
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: say that we have above average boxing knowledge when it
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: comes to just a regular spectator. So, you know, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: know I'm fans of boxers who are obviously Mexican.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: But also black, you know, Asian, et cetera, blah, blah, blah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: But, you know, when I've seen Navarrete fight twice, I'm
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: in Tucson, I've gone to Phoenix, it's like 99% ass Mexicans.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Like, that's just what it is. That's who he brings out.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: So I'm very curious as to like, you know, if
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: other communities, black communities, know Navarrete, follow him, if they're fans,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: any of that. And it's just more, you know, kind of,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: it's like your algorithm, right? You see kind of, you
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: make opinions based on what you see. And I'm in
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: a very, my life algorithm is based on Mexicans boxing
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: and being in Tucson.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: And being in Arizona.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: But no, I'd be, honestly, I don't even know what
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: to expect in this fight. Any other fight, I'm always
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: going to say 100%, Navarrete win, Navarrete knockout.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: And haven't been wrong most of the time. But this one,
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Shaki Foster.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: He definitely has the technical skills, and we've seen Navarrete,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: he lost to, not Madden, I'm sorry, the other Ukrainian
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: guy that Keyshawn Davis fought and put down in round four.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Navarrete had gone up in weight, just couldn't cut it,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: went back down, no harm, no foul. But, you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: he's not invincible by any means. And Shockey's an up-and-coming,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: really big name that's.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Great in the ring.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: So, I don't know. It might be my guy might
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: end up with another L.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: After this weekend. So, do you have any idea of, like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: what to expect? Or is it just kind of... I
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: don't really know what to say.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what the betting... Those are good odds.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: That's actually, for the first fight we've had, that the
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: odds have been somewhat respectable in a long time. Probably
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: since the Canelo... Crawford fight, to be honest with you.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: But that's like the first fight we've asked for odds
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: where it's been not a toss-up, but like a favorable
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: where it can go either way. You know, so that's cool.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: That's good to see. Meaning that we should get a
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: good fight on Saturday.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I've been stoked for several weeks now. And yeah,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Navarrete lost to Denis Baranchuk. That was actually, I remember
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: that whole day. That was the day of the Fury-Usyk fight.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: The first one, I believe.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: It's also the day that I was out All day
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I was in San Luis Obispo in California for a
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: friend's memorial.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Shout out to David Black, RIP. So I was there.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Couldn't watch the Fury fight, but I ended up at
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: a really.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Cool little dive-y sports bar. Or sorry, just dive bar,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: where they had the fight back on when it was
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: on ESPN. So it was like really sad, really sad,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: really sad.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: And then I got to have some drinks and watch boxing.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, you know, a little
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: something to break up the sadness of the day. But yeah,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, you know, Navarrete's my guy.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: He's a friend of the show. I was honestly kind
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: of nervous to interview him because it was the biggest
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: name I'd interviewed in the sport. But if Shaki Foster wins,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to be sad or like, oh, this
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: is bullshit. Because I'm expecting both of them to have
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: really aggressive, really strong showing in the fight. And yeah,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: if Navarrete loses, respect to Foster. And hopefully it's one
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: of those that Hopefully it's not another goddamn draw. I'm
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: going to put money in a draw, but that's the
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: biggest thing that I worry about with two aggressive active
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: fighters that are evenly matched.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, come on, give me something here. But
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: How much money should people put on a draw, do
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: you think, if just in case? Plus $ 1, 400. So like $ 50,
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: you just have $ 100 back. So things like that, $ 100,
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: you get your $ 1, 400 back. So it's not the worst
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: thing that can happen.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: You know, if you can stand to lose 20, 30,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: 50 bucks or whatever it is, you know, I've done
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: it many times. I've done like, you know, 10 bucks,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: 20 bucks here and there. But with this fight, I
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: don't know. It's hard to gauge. But like I said,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: when they have two aggressive fighters who can, you know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: take a lot of punishment as well, that's another thing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: You know, there's always a chance. So maybe you want
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: to do that. I'll be doing that for sure. But
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I am so stoked
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: for this fight. But yeah, next weekend, we'll give our
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: thoughts of the breakdown of the entire car. But that's
• 24:30
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• 24:32
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• 24:32
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• 24:34
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