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Mac & Bone Hour 2: Bryce Young Contract Update · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The ebbs and flows of a season, of a long
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  Speaker 1: You know, the long 17-game season, that's how it goes.
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  Speaker 2: You have to turn the page in this league. Again,
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  Speaker 2: we have all the confidence we need in each other.
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  Speaker 2: We see how each other works, how we all work,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how we play for each other. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: entitle us to anything, but we're just excited for that process. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's no dip in confidence. We just want
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  Speaker 2: to go 1-0 this week. That's all it's about. That's
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  Speaker 2: all this league is about. So that's all our focus
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  Speaker 2: is on.
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  Speaker 3: There you go. That's the man.
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  Speaker 4: We're getting ready to talk about Bryce Young yesterday, discussing
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  Speaker 4: the morale of that locker room. I have noticed something
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  Speaker 4: very interesting. Well, it's not just actually. Actually, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: notice it. Bone brought this up yesterday. And then one
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  Speaker 4: of our resident degenerate gamblers, A.C., brought up the further developments.
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  Speaker 3: Stands for always cashing. That's right, baby.
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  Speaker 4: That line, Bone, has moved even further towards the Panthers.
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  Speaker 4: Denver is now a two-and-a-half point favorite. So what were
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  Speaker 4: you saying yesterday it was, Bone? Like three, three-and-a-half? Three-and-a-half
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  Speaker 4: for Denver.
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  Speaker 3: It's now down to Denver by two-and-a-half.
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  Speaker 5: I think that might be, this is just a guess here,
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  Speaker 5: Are people anticipating, Mac, a letdown after Kansas City traveling
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  Speaker 5: on the road against a team that hasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Played well lately?
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  Speaker 5: One of these NFL spots where it's not shocking if
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  Speaker 5: Denver doesn't play as well as they have like last week?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Somebody must be a big Todd Walsh
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  Speaker 4: fan out there, Boney.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that's it.
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  Speaker 5: Let's see where the money's coming in here. I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to check out Giraffe Kings here. Let's see where the
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  Speaker 5: money's coming in.
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  Speaker 3: That is juicy, man. 80% of the money line on
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos.
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  Speaker 5: 74% of the spread is on the Broncos right now.
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  Speaker 3: See, that's interesting. How's that line moving then? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Doesn't the line move based
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  Speaker 3: on betting coming in? That's weird.
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  Speaker 4: So that's an interesting one there. But yeah, that line
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  Speaker 4: is moving towards the Panthers. And I always say, but
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  Speaker 4: we always say, but when there's a line you look
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  Speaker 4: at and say that doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 3: What ends up happening? I lose that line usually. And
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  Speaker 3: Vegas ends up being right.
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  Speaker 4: It's like that line was that, like South Carolina being
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  Speaker 4: favored over Tennessee.
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  Speaker 3: People are like, it don't make any sense to me.
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  Speaker 3: Tennessee just beat Alabama. Just watch. So could this mean something, baby?
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  Speaker 5: In case you're wondering, Mac, I did not take the
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  Speaker 5: bait and bet on any election stuff last night. I
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  Speaker 5: saw the odds. I didn't really know enough about it
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  Speaker 5: last night. You bring up the whole election betting thing.
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  Speaker 5: I have watched once or twice the Sydney Sweeney ad
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  Speaker 5: for that gambling site or whatever. And in there, she says,
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  Speaker 5: no politics, no deaths.
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  Speaker 3: Do people, is there, are there like websites where people
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  Speaker 3: vote on who's going to die? Probably. What the heck
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  Speaker 3: kind of gruesome stuff is that? Yeah, like celebrity death webs? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: Every time I.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about my diet, people would be scrambling to bet
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  Speaker 4: on me if that was available on the board. All right, anyway,
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  Speaker 4: let's talk about this Bryce Young news. Just thought that
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  Speaker 4: point spread stuff's interesting.
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  Speaker 5: I bet on football guy Finney taking a death in November,
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  Speaker 5: and I hit on that one.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about, I thought that spread's interesting, Bone.
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  Speaker 4: It's notable.
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  Speaker 3: Am I telling you it means the Panthers are definitely winning? No,
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  Speaker 3: but it's notable.
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  Speaker 4: Also notable, you found this this morning. Mike Florio talking
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  Speaker 4: about the Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud contract situations. ESPN
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  Speaker 4: had a report about Stroud's situation. So Florio's done some digging,
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  Speaker 4: and he's got some stuff on both of them. Here's
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  Speaker 4: the Bryce Young stuff. He writes, as to Young, we've
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  Speaker 4: recently caught wind of chatter that the Panthers are, quote,
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  Speaker 4: far down the road towards signing him to a second
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  Speaker 4: deal in excess of $ 50 million per year. So we've
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  Speaker 4: got to talk through this. As Panther fans here, Boney,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think about this? Like, if they top
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  Speaker 4: 50 million right now, are you on board? You good
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  Speaker 4: with that? Yeah, I still believe.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think– I think Bryce is more of the
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  Speaker 5: guy we saw to start the year than he is now. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: a little concerned about the play. I'm not saying he's
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  Speaker 5: played well, especially against Green Bay where the offensive line
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  Speaker 5: let him down, but I think– I think he and
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  Speaker 5: Stroud are very comparable right now. It's amazing how Stroud
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  Speaker 5: got the head start, and then we thought, oh, Bryce
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  Speaker 5: will never catch Stroud, and then Stroud came back to earth.
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  Speaker 5: Then we thought, well, Bryce is now passing Stroud. Now
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  Speaker 5: they feel like they're relatively even in a lot of
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  Speaker 5: different ways. So I think whatever Stroud gets, whatever Young gets,
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  Speaker 5: they'll be close to each other. But yes, I would
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  Speaker 5: be okay with that money for Bryce Young. And it
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  Speaker 5: does make a lot of sense. You brought up the point.
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  Speaker 5: A couple weeks ago, it's amazing how quickly things turned.
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  Speaker 5: A couple weeks ago, we thought, wow, Bryce isn't going
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  Speaker 5: to sign now. Why would the agent want to sign now?
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  Speaker 5: He could go make even more than they thought. They're
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  Speaker 5: going to wait on that. He's an MVP-level player. Well,
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  Speaker 5: then the offensive line continues to break down. We don't
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  Speaker 5: know about Bryce's health right now. Now the agent might
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  Speaker 5: be saying, all right, we— We waited a couple weeks.
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  Speaker 5: Now we want to make sure that our guy doesn't
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  Speaker 5: get hurt and the offensive line doesn't cost Bryce Young money.
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  Speaker 3: It is interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I had kind of just been resigned to the fact
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  Speaker 4: that I thought this would be handled after the season.
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  Speaker 4: So this one throws me into a tizzy a little bit, right? Like,
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  Speaker 4: we've got to react on the fly to this. It
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  Speaker 4: says over $ 50 million. So if you look at the
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  Speaker 4: highest-paid quarterbacks, Jalen Hurts is the 13th highest-paid quarterback at
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  Speaker 4: $ 51 million per year. So if you just go $ 51
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  Speaker 4: million and $ 1, You know, as agents have been known
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  Speaker 4: to do.
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  Speaker 3: You're then 13th highest paid.
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  Speaker 4: If you go $ 53 million and $ 1, Bone, that, because
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of guys at 53, that would take
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  Speaker 4: you to... This is like Price is Right stuff. That
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  Speaker 4: would take you to 9th highest paid. You'd top Jared
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  Speaker 4: Goff and Brock Purdy at $ 53 million a year, and
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  Speaker 4: you'd become 9th highest paid. Is that maybe where we settle?
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  Speaker 4: Just a little bit over Goff? Then you get to
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  Speaker 4: the $ 55 million per guy's... Can we get him below
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  Speaker 4: the $ 55 million guys?
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  Speaker 5: Because as we always say with these quarterback deals, remember,
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  Speaker 5: we're not exactly saying that Bryce Young is a better
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  Speaker 5: quarterback than Goff. It's just his time. It's about the
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  Speaker 5: time of when it comes up. Goff will come up
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  Speaker 5: again along the way. It's just where you are. And
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  Speaker 5: right now that feels accurate to where I think Bryce
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  Speaker 5: Young is.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like if you got him, like I said, at the
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  Speaker 4: 53 million plus, and he's a ninth highest paid quarterback
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  Speaker 4: and you know, bone that that only goes down, right.
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  Speaker 4: As more and more quarterbacks, Drake May, Caleb Williams, they're
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  Speaker 4: all going to top it. So like, before you know it,
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  Speaker 4: he'll be towards the middle of the pack. I would
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  Speaker 4: argue $ 53 million and $ 1 is not terrible. I could
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  Speaker 4: argue that's a good deal for both sides.
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  Speaker 5: It's good money if you can get it. If you
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  Speaker 5: can get $ 53 million and $ 1, you take the deal.
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  Speaker 5: But in quarterback money, that's not astronomical. Yes, to say
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  Speaker 5: that's weird, but that's not like, oh, my God. I
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  Speaker 5: think there's some sticker shock just when people see the number.
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  Speaker 4: I just wonder. It would be ninth highest paid. I
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  Speaker 4: just wonder if Bryce Young is going to get the
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  Speaker 4: support of fans out there and that's where you go
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  Speaker 4: to the trusty text line.
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  Speaker 3: Let me see here. One, two, three, four, five, six, uh, six. No, not,
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  Speaker 3: not in Bryce's favor. People don't like this.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, if we did, if this was
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  Speaker 4: two weeks ago, I think the reaction would be completely different.
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  Speaker 4: I think people now have this Bryce doubt. based on
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  Speaker 4: the last two weeks. I will say this, right? Everybody
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  Speaker 4: thinks he and Stroud are very comparable right now, Boney.
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  Speaker 4: I think they're going to get paid similar money. CJ Stroud,
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  Speaker 4: how has he looked when his protection has been terrible?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: Horrible.
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  Speaker 3: I just... I think you could go.
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  Speaker 4: Like, if a quarterback bone man is pressured over 50%
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  Speaker 4: of the time.
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  Speaker 3: Don't make eye contact. Tampa Tammy is down.
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  Speaker 4: Here's another annoying thing about Tampa Tammy.
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  Speaker 3: She's dressed like she's on the set of.
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  Speaker 6: Of an elf.
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  Speaker 3: She looks like a little elf, doesn't she, over there?
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  Speaker 3: She got an elf shirt on.
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  Speaker 4: She has an elf shirt on. She has a Santa
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  Speaker 4: hat on. She's not only an annoying Bucks fan, she's also,
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  Speaker 4: it's a Buccaneer Santa hat. She also is one of
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  Speaker 4: these annoying people that are into Christmas way too early.
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  Speaker 3: Like that tracks for her. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: Gracious.
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  Speaker 3: Another annoying quality she has. Oh my God.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, um, let me Tampa, Tammy could have played quarterback
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  Speaker 4: for the bucks and they would have won the last
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  Speaker 4: two games.
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  Speaker 3: Their running game is so good. I'm convinced though.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, let's get back to the, to the Bryce thing, Boney. Um, I,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think when, when Bryce gets pressured over 50%
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  Speaker 4: of the time, according to PF, the PFF, the last
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  Speaker 4: two weeks is dealing with a knee injury. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think you could put so much weight in this where
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  Speaker 4: you're like, all of a sudden now Bryce doesn't deserve.
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  Speaker 3: A contract over $ 50 million.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's an overreaction if that's what fans are
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  Speaker 4: out there thinking.
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  Speaker 5: Matt, can I float out a theory that I have
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  Speaker 5: as well of why the agent might be more willing
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  Speaker 5: to do it now than he was before? Think about
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  Speaker 5: the offensive line, where this might be trending this season,
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  Speaker 5: and The Panthers, Max, still play Minnesota, the league's number
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  Speaker 5: one defense. They still play the number two defense in Seattle.
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  Speaker 5: They play Denver, who, by the way, statistically is not
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  Speaker 5: really up as high as you thought they were, but
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  Speaker 5: it's still Denver's defense. And keep this in mind, they
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  Speaker 5: play Pittsburgh, who's under... there in all these defensive metrics
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  Speaker 5: pittsburgh right now mac is one of the best defenses
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  Speaker 5: in football and tampa bay's defense it's up there again
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  Speaker 5: so they've got minnesota they've got tampa denver seattle pittsburgh's
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  Speaker 5: defenses to play they might be thinking before this offensive
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  Speaker 5: line completely erects this offense we might want to start
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  Speaker 5: humming on that contract they might feel emergency right now.
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  Speaker 5: Because that defensive schedule they have coming up, that is tough.
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  Speaker 4: So I wonder what you can get them to agree
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  Speaker 4: to now. If you think they're starting to get worried
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  Speaker 4: about Bryce's surroundings, the O-line and stuff like that, then
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  Speaker 4: the Panthers, can they feel that and then get a
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  Speaker 4: number more team-friendly? The timing of it is fascinating that
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  Speaker 4: Florio says that progress is being made and they could
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  Speaker 4: be getting close to a deal.
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  Speaker 3: The timing of this is real interesting right now. It
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  Speaker 3: really is. It's fascinating.
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  Speaker 5: And the Florio part that was most interesting about how
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  Speaker 5: far down the line it is for both Stroud and
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  Speaker 5: Young was when he said at the end of the
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  Speaker 5: piece this morning, ProFootballTalk.com, where he said, it's now just
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  Speaker 5: about the guarantees. When it gets to that level, and
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  Speaker 5: it's at the tillest part of it, the money and
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  Speaker 5: the cap and all that, well, everything else has pretty
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  Speaker 5: much been decided there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the structure and the guaranteed money. He says that's
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  Speaker 4: where they're at on these. Far down the road towards
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  Speaker 4: an extension. This is Mike Florio's report, Pro Football Talk,
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  Speaker 4: Bryce Young and the Panthers. Far down the road towards
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  Speaker 4: signing him to a second deal, an excess of $ 50
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  Speaker 4: million per year. We want to know what you guys
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  Speaker 4: think about that, about it being this close in light
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  Speaker 4: of the up and down season that Bryce is having.
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  Speaker 4: We wanted more consistency, and after five games, I was
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  Speaker 4: sure we had it. Now we've had these two games
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  Speaker 4: that we've had here recently, 7-0-4, 5-7-0, 9-6-10. We've got
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  Speaker 4: someone that wants to know what the trademark market is
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  Speaker 4: for Bryce.
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  Speaker 3: Trademark?
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking if they're far down the road on this extension,
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  Speaker 4: that that is not something they're thinking about.
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  Speaker 5: Is trading Bryce Young. I'm sure that's an option. Let
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  Speaker 5: me check the topic here. No, that's not the topic.
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  Speaker 4: 704, if the Panthers did not re-sign Bryce Young and
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  Speaker 4: he was a free agent, would any other NFL team
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  Speaker 4: sign him in a $ 50- plus.
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  Speaker 3: Million per year deal? I believe yes. That league is
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  Speaker 3: starved for quarterbacks. No doubt.
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  Speaker 5: I believe the answer is yes, personally. Mike, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what this is in reference to. I'm just going
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  Speaker 5: to go ahead and read it because it's part of
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  Speaker 5: our contract here. Someone says, man, must be a tough
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  Speaker 5: morning for Bebop. This news about Bryce may have messed
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  Speaker 5: up his morning.
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  Speaker 4: That's a shame insert willie p's favorite um uh jif
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  Speaker 4: jerry seinfeld eating the popcorn that's a shame.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh he's got a lot to be happy
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  Speaker 5: about 7045 focus on the on the good things bob
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  Speaker 5: if you can find them this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Uh let's see here couch coach kyle says 50 million
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  Speaker 4: is not the crazy part The crazy part is we're
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  Speaker 4: going to offer a guy $ 50- plus million who hasn't done
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  Speaker 4: jack squat for four and a half years.
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  Speaker 8: He won a division championship, you dumbass.
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  Speaker 3: I believe we're three and a half years. Aren't we
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  Speaker 3: in year four here?
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  Speaker 8: We're in year four.
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  Speaker 3: That's how it works.
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  Speaker 8: Look at his record since being benched.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's 15 and 18, I think
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  Speaker 7: is what it is overall for the loss last week.
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  Speaker 3: Look at the numbers since being benched. Oh, dramatically. They're great.
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  Speaker 3: They're right in that range of where you should be paid. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Dramatically different.
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  Speaker 8: This whole idea that he hasn't done anything is.
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  Speaker 3: He's gotten better every year. It's ludicrous.
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  Speaker 7: Like, he has some marquee wins. He's had some big
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  Speaker 7: games and big moments. A lot of his shortcomings... It's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to sound like an excuse.
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  Speaker 8: Come at the expense of others. Did you do that
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  Speaker 8: on purpose?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 3: Shortcomings? No, I did not.
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  Speaker 7: They come at the expense of other people around him
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  Speaker 7: failing him. Here, I think, is the big question. Because
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  Speaker 7: I'm all for investing in Bryce Young, obviously, as a
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  Speaker 7: Bryce guy. What's your confidence level in Dan Morgan to
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  Speaker 7: adequately build the roster around him that needs to be built?
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  Speaker 8: Talking with offensive line and weapons.
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  Speaker 7: Because you're going to have to get cheaper up front
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  Speaker 7: if you give Bryce $ 50 million.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Like, if A'shaun Robinson was a cap casualty last year,
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  Speaker 7: that makes Robert Hunt a cap casualty this upcoming offseason.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to get cheaper with him. You've got to
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: go draft linemen. You've got to go draft linemen very early.
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  Speaker 5: No doubt about it. 35 games since the Week 3
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  Speaker 5: benching in 2024. 7,090 yards, 51 touchdowns, 22 INTs. And
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  Speaker 5: then 481 rushing yards, eight touchdowns there. So nearly 60
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  Speaker 5: touchdowns total since the bench.
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  Speaker 4: There's also an element of you are paying Bryce Young,
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  Speaker 4: and Florio says they're far down the road towards an
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  Speaker 4: extension for Bryce for over $ 50 million a year. You
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  Speaker 4: are paying him for him, but you're also paying him
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  Speaker 4: because you know what you got, you like what you got. Um,
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  Speaker 4: even if there's ceiling questions for him, you're paying him.
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  Speaker 4: So you don't go back into that crazy kooky market
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  Speaker 4: of uncertainty.
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  Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: Like that's the thing is y'all just act like they
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  Speaker 4: could snap their fingers and get a quarterback. That's better
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  Speaker 4: than Bryce. And I don't think it's that easy y'all.
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  Speaker 4: I think y'all make it too easy. You can go
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  Speaker 4: to QB store and order yourself one of them Peyton
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  Speaker 4: Manning 5000s.
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  Speaker 3: It's just not that easy. And then where are they
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  Speaker 3: going to be drafting?
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  Speaker 4: Probably in the middle of the pack, behind the middle.
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  Speaker 4: Who are they going to get there? How long will
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  Speaker 4: it take to get a rookie up to speed? What
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  Speaker 4: other veteran do you want to sign as a bridge
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  Speaker 4: in the meantime? I just think they know what they
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  Speaker 4: have in Bryce. I think they feel like if the
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  Speaker 4: things are working well, to Fitty's point, around Bryce that
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: we can accomplish some really good things with him.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: How about we let Bryce cook and play without having
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: to worry about a contract also? Let that confidence ooze.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: When he's playing confident football, he's at that MVP level
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: that we saw. So maybe get that out of his mind.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Get the contract stuff off his mind. Let the guy
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: go out there and just ball.
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: What? What?
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Bryce Cook. Is that a saying, Matt, that a quarterback
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: has used before? Yes, but we're going to take it.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: That guy was short, too, so let's just take it.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: Eddie worked with Canales. Eddie's going to coach NC State, apparently.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Probably not, but he got an interview somehow. CIA operation
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: on the text line. Whoa, this is important. CIA operations
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: texting in. You people disgust me. This team has so
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: many holes to fill. We're mortgaging ourselves again at the
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: expense of Bryce Young. First, it came with draft picks.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: Now we're going to handicap ourselves with an unreasonable contract.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: If you're really in the CIA, you got to do
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: some work here and leave us alone.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: What's going on here?
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Where did that nickname come from? I don't think it's unreasonable.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's unreasonable to pay Bryce Young over 50.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: We don't even know how high over 50 it is. Like,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: for example, Bone, if you pay him just over $ 50
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: million a year, like between 50 and 51 million, you're
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: the 14th highest paid quarterback.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: How's that unreasonable?
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: It's not.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: So, again, I was saying, how about you top the
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: $ 53 million guys, Goff and Purdy, and you put them
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: ninth in the league? I still don't think that's unreasonable
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: because then Stroud, Caleb Williams, Drake May, other guys are
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: going to get paid and he's going to drop down.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Before you know it, he'll be a middle-of-the-pack paid quarterback.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: That's not unreasonable for Bryce Young, the way he's played
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: since the benching.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: For those just tuning in here, we were talking about
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: the Mike Florio report from ProFootballTalk.com that Bryce and the
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Panthers are... are far down the road his wording of
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: a future contract stay tuned to this show and all
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: day long here on wfnz for more on that yes sir.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Picante's crashing out bebop style right now picante's crashing out
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: like he just lost all his bets actually at harris
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: cherokee casino he says for the love of god can
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: we wait until the end of the year I thought they.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Would, Picante, but apparently, according to Mike Florio, they ain't waiting. Picante,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: focus on your bets, big dog. Don't worry about this.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: When we come back, Mac, a man who got rave
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: reviews last time he was on, Chuck Oliver, nationally syndicated
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: college football radio host and a host down there in Atlanta,
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: joins us for his reaction to the initial release of
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: the college football playoff rankings. Did Wake Get Screwed? Sports
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Radio 92.7. We are rocking and rolling, everybody.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Got this very interesting Mike Florio, Bryce Young report that
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: the Panthers and Bryce Young, according to Florio, far down
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: the road towards a second contract for him in excess.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Of 50 million years. So, you know.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Panther Nation has stuff to say about that. The text
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: line is blowing up. We'll circle back. I feel like
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: all our Panther conversations, Bone, have now been changed to
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: this conversation and pushed back maybe to tomorrow's show when
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: we can take a breath and talk about things like
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: the new defense with Todd Walsh and all that. The
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: other thing we've got to talk a bunch about today
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: is the first college football playoff rankings coming out, the
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: college football weekend of ridiculously great matchups coming up. We
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: could talk about all that stuff right now with our
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: next guest, who is the host of the aptly named
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Chuck Oliver show bone affiliates all over, all over the South.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Great Southern college football talk. And Chuck Oliver joins us
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: right now to talk about all this college football stuff
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: going on.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Hey, Chuck, how you doing, man? What's happening?
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: I'm doing pretty good. I do have an NFL question.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: Against my team, Bryce Young looks like he's worth $ 175
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: million in a year.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Is he good?
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, is he good against other teams?
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: He's good, but certainly not that level. If he could
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: play the Falcons every week, I think he'd be a
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Okay, but it's his turn, so he gets 50 because
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: it's his turn.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is definitely his turn. But I will say this.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: He should send a cut of that down to Atlanta
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: because they have helped.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt they have helped. Oh, man.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: All right, so, Chuck, let's talk about— And don't worry
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: about that Buccaneer thing. We had a problem there, too,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: with them not passing on us. Yeah, that was— Falcon pride,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: all-time low, man.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: We feel your pain on that one.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: At least Baker completed seven against Duz, but it was
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: pretty embarrassing, too. Let's talk college football. The rankings have
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: come out. Miami's won. Then you get to Georgia. Then
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: you get to Utah, Indiana, and Alabama, and that's just
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: the top five. There are things here, and I think
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: it's the nature of the season, Chuck, where, hell, Miami's
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: number one in unbeaten, but even they had close calls
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: with Florida State and Carolina. Nobody looks great. So I
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: feel like there's a lot that you can look at
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: and say, is that team worthy of being there? What
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: were your biggest takeaways from the rankings?
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: The first thing was they told Notre Dame, your baby's ugly.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: They really did better not lose that game Saturday. And
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: the truth is that if they would have, and I
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: also saw a lot of conversation, there's so much that
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: will be changed on Saturday because of the ranked versus
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: ranked up and down the schedule on Saturday. And that's
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: an accurate observation, but that's if you had a goal
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: of only giving somewhat relevant information. This is supposed to
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: be TV inventory. So these top 25 that we got
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: last night, including Boise State, they got told, yeah, here
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: are your crumbs, you'll continue to get. What we got
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: last night, it will be go outside, shake the tree,
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: and then everything will be different Saturday night when we
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: go to bed.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: They've got TV inventory to fill. And I don't know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: I watched last night. And so Notre Dame was a
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: big takeaway for me. The fact that Head-to-head must still
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: count so dang much for them with Kentucky and Alabama.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: As far as the SEC goes, LSU, I think, has
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: the greatest opportunity, and that begins Saturday afternoon. As Lane
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: reminded us, they've got three huge opportunities to get a–
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: they don't have a signal to win yet. They have
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: some great losses. And the committee loves nothing more than
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: a great loss. LSU doesn't have a signature win yet.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: So Alabama, they've got coming up. They've got Texas. They've
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: got opportunities coming up. And so if they are eliminating
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: some other teams from the playoffs, I think LSU actually
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: has a really good path in.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Chuck, how wild and difficult is this going to be
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: for the committee when you look at the SEC teams
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: and the amount of three-loss teams it looks like are
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: going to pile up here as the season goes along?
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if you look at the details, then sure. And
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: it's going to be, all right, the 12 seed. And
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: I guess that's going to be the G-level team. But
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: then the at-large bids, the rest of them, there could
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: be a few three-loss teams mixed in there. Don't look
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: at that. Just look at the brands. That's what they're
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: going to count on.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, we know this.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: Life is easier for pretty people. And Ohio State is pretty.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Alabama is pretty. Texas, they really want Texas to be pretty.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: So there's going to be, I would say, at least
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: two three-loss teams, and I think they'll both come from
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: the Southeastern Conference.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: That's what I think, too. You talk about three-loss teams
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: in the SEC. The highest three-loss team in the rankings
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: was South Carolina. We've got a lot of Gamecock fans
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: here in Charlotte. Um, God, the way they're playing, the
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: way sellers playing, it's, it's so fun to watch if they,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: they would have to run the table. There's no room
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: for error, but a Georgia, like, is it, is it,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: first of all, I guess I'll ask this. Is it
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: possible to run the table when Georgia's included in the schedule?
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: And would that even get them in if they ran
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: the table?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: How do you feel?
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Uh, that may be what is required to even have
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: the conversation. Um, because a lot of was just saying,
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: you know, life's easier for pretty people, South Carolina, they're,
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: they're not in the club, you know, they're, they're, they
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: don't have panache. Um, they just, they don't get beyond
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: the rope. They're just South Carolina football. When you go
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: to that stadium and then like one corner, I used
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: to see the George Rogers won the Heisman thing. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: then in the other corner, I would say 1969 ACC champs.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: And Um, that team has zero cache with the folks
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: in that room in grapevine. So, um, beating Texas A & M,
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: Arkansas and Clemson, all of those are doable. In fact,
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: I don't know, Vegas may say they're supposed to happen
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: for all we know. The Georgia game, that is a
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: bone to be chewed, and that would be one of
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: the best wins of the season. And at sports, I mean,
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: honest to God, you're at home. Auburn went on the
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: road and did it, and Auburn's not even very good. So, honest, yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: it could happen. I don't think it's going to. I
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: think you're going to be looking at an 8-4 regular season.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: But 9-3, sure, it could happen. And then South Carolina
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: still has a lot in front of them to get in.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: We're talking to great college football voice Chuck Oliver here
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: on the Mac and Bone Show. Chuck, you've been doing
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: radio for a long time, so I'm sure you'll appreciate
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: this segue here to something going on behind the scenes momentarily.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: So last night, our news talk station across the hall,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: they did their election coverage. They got pizza and wings
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: at some point in the early evening. Our producer just
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: walked in. with a plate full of chicken wings, Chuck,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: that's been sitting out since about 7 p.m.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Last night. Not even in the fridge, just sitting out.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: What's the first digit of his age?
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: How old are you, Finney? Just turned 30.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: No, that's a two. Yeah, that explains it. If the
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: first digit is a two, then you still drink Jägermeister
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: and you look at the wings and go, they were covered. Yes,
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: they were covered while sitting on a counter for 12 hours, but...
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: They were covered. I was there. I lived that life.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: So now it's a little different.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Chuck, you just made the decision for me. My first
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: digit's a five.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: No, you can't go there.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I can't.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: You're right. I thought about it. And I think you
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: just made the decision for me. I can't.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: The Apostle Paul in one of his letters to the
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: Corinthians wrote, when I grew to be a man, I
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: put away childish things. Eating leftover pizza and wings from
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: the night before, that's a thing in your 20s.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Chuck, we've been doing this together now for 20 plus years.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: One of our first years here, uh, Mac, my cohost here,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: we got caught eating pizza out of the trash can.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: So we've got a, we've had.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: To really sort of limit our, our first number was
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: a lot lower back then.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: It was a lot lower, not our cholesterol.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: But our number digital fist bump to y'all.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: So the big story in the state of North Carolina
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: with this playoff is wake forest is Being 16th, a
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: lot of Wake fans are mad. A lot of ACC
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: fans are mad because they see all the SEC two
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: loss teams, Wake with one loss. But you got to
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: be fair about the point that Wake competed with Miami,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: but doesn't have a ranked win. And doesn't have a
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: ranked team on the schedule to rest away, unfortunately. Like,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: do you have sympathy for Wake in this situation? Or
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: you just look at them and say, if you don't
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: win the SEC championship.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: You don't have a resume.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they could get a second run in Miami. And
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: they're nowhere near as good. They're at least as well coached,
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: if not better. They don't have the fat stacks that
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: Mario has. And I don't disrespect Mario as a coach,
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: but I've never seen Jake Dickard have some of his–
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: those same sort of fourth quarter. Like Mario was trying
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: to pad the stats against Georgia tech a couple of
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: years ago. He admitted he was trying to pad the
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: stats and it was the fumble and the take it
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: the other way. Jake Dicker does not have that on
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: his resume. So, all right, I'm going to skip to
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: the end of the end of the conversation. And it's,
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: and so wake forest gets left out of the playoffs.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: That's not the disappointment. That's not the sympathy I have.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: It's that demon Deacon fans are borrowing Jake Dickard. Like,
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: he's there on rental payments. That's all he is. Now,
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: here's the upside. If you hear him talked about for
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Florida State, I don't know. If I'm already not in
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: the Big Ten, and that's what this is, by the way.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: You're either in the Big Ten or SEC or you're not. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: If I'm already not in the Big Ten or SEC,
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to unstable Florida State away from stable
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: Wake Forest.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I'm just not doing it. Great point.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: But I am going to an SEC or a Big
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Ten school if they can't rattle my cage. Absolutely. In fact,
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: look what he did with Wazoo. Correctly so. They handed him,
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, a jackpot and said, you deal with this.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: And cause remember Rolovich and the COVID and all, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: then he turned wazoo into whatever the sorcery he used.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: He turned that into a winner and a competitive enough product.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: And he's done it at a wake force as well.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: He's brilliant, man.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Chuck, what do you think of the, of the pending
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: 2014 playoff? What are you, are you for that? What
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: are your thoughts on that?
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: Okay. This is going to be one of the few
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: times in sports because I have, I literally on the
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: side of my fridge, I have a, it says sports rules.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: We never take away. We only add. And so this
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: is going to be an exception to that. We're going
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: to take away conference championship games. And I got news.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: There's no rule. The NCAA, like those aren't NCAA events,
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: bowl games. Those are municipalities or the Lions Club or whoever.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: The bowl games are going to have a couple of years,
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: and they're going to realize that they just became not
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: even the NIT. What's the other one, the CBA or
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: the CBI games?
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the CBI.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: And you got the CIT.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: You got the CIA, the ACL. You got a lot
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: going on there.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: Can you imagine being– by the way, hand raised, I've
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: been to like five Independence Bowls in my life. I'm
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: as red as it gets. Can you imagine being a
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: Heritage Bowl? Like literally like the Liberty Bowl. It's been
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: there since the 60s. and you're going to go away
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: in two or three years. And so I think expanding
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: it to 24 is actually going to reduce the postseason.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: We had like 84 teams in the postseason last year.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: I think going forward, it will not take very long
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: until we have 24 in the playoffs And there might
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: be four or five other bowls scattered around. But for
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: the most part, this is going to wind up limiting
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: the postseason, which it needs to be. 84 teams didn't
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: need to go to a postseason game.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: No, definitely not.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Chuck, my whole knowledge, my entire knowledge of companies and
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: what people are doing in the business world is based
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: off of the bowl game sponsors. That's how I know
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: about bad boy mowers.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Man, you ain't going to know. What are we going
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: to do now without knowing about bad boy mowers?
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: I kid you not, man. I have a pool and
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: weed eater.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: So it works. The ball game sponsors have worked.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: Exactly. But you have to understand if it's sports, like
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: I'm 58 and, And I still buy Hamilton beach because
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: of Joe Namath and the popcorn popper. You talk about
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: getting your payoff on an endorsement. That's just, you know, that's,
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: and that's what companies count on. We get them young
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: and then we keep this guy for five decades. Well,
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: that's what Joe Namath did to me back in the
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: seventies with the popcorn machine.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Did he sell pantyhose to you? Wasn't that another thing
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: he was, that was.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: For my sisters and my mom.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: That was really, you got some fans on the, uh,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: the text line here.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: People love you.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: We have a, a listener to your show, the Chuck
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: Oliver College Football Show, saying that you give away your
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: dinner on Thursdays in a contest?
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, that is– by the way, we're all in radio, right?
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: So we all know this.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: If somebody's doing it in radio, it's already been stolen
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  Speaker 6: three times before you heard it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're getting ready to steal that now, and we're
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: on the morning show.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Give away our breakfast.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: Oh, please do. Please do. No, they give me three
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: rounds of questions, and I have to go to the
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: isolation chamber at the hallway. They ask the listener seven questions.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: They bring me back in, and we do that for
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: three rounds, and if the listener gets more right answers
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: than I– Uh, he or she gets a hundred dollar gift.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Card to walk on. So it's not actually going into
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: your kitchen. We thought it was like your Tupperware dinner. Okay.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Oh no.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: But I will tell you at one point, Applebee's Applebee's
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: is not good. Um, Applebee's was the sponsor. And at
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: one point I had $ 1, 200 worth of Applebee's gift cards.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: So believe me, as.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: A single man in Atlanta back in the day, I
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: knew everything about Bourbon Street Chicken and the four cheese mac.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: It was just a glorious time to be a man
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: with gift cards.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Once he ran out of that money, they started closing shop. Hilarious, man.
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: He is Chuck Oliver. 71 stations. The Chuck Oliver Show,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: nine states. And you can tell, man, it's good Southern
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: College football talk.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Chuck. Appreciate it so much, man.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: Word up.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: All right, be good. There you go.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I love that guy.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: He's a fun guy, man. He is, man.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: He is a fun guy, but a couple of Wake
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: fans are upset. They thought he dodged a Wake question.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Another guy says, stop with the we're borrowing dicker thing
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: and tell me we should be in the damn playoff.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: They got a little feisty there, Bo. They did. A
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: little feisty. They did.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: But the unfortunate reality, and I had to deal with
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: it also with Manny Diaz is, When you have success
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: at Duke and Wake, as Adam Gould talked about yesterday,
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: that's going to come with the territory of your coach
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: may not be long for that job.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: It's the way it is. We come back.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: We're going to react more to Wake and South Carolina's
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: initial spots in the CFP rankings on Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Wake Forest.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Now, some wondered if maybe Wake Forest would get a
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: little more love from.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: The committee than they did from the AP poll voters.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: What do you think, Joe? They got a little less
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: love than they got from the AP poll. They had
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: the one loss to Miami earlier in the season. Since then,
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: the last four weeks, they've looked really good, just no
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: really good ranking. Maybe the second best team in the ACC.
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: I think if you just look by the eye test,
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: they're the team in the ACC outside of Miami at
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: least like to play right now. Sure, their quarterback's dealing.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: They're rolling folks on both sides of the ball.
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: But that's not a good sign right now for the
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: ACC with what we think is their second-best team sitting
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: around 16th.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: That is the panel from last night's playoff show where
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: they announced the first playoff rankings of the season.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Wake Forest, two spots below where they are in the polls.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: They are at.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: 16 in the first playoff rankings. and those guys said it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: This is going to make Wake fans mad.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: It has.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: This is going to make ACC fans and media upset.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Our girl Taylor Tannenbaum gets hot under the collar about
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: this stuff from the ACC network, and.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: She was fired up.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: She had all the numbers on her Twitter page last night.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: She was fired up yesterday about it. And South Carolina's 21,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: that feels more like a positive development, although you pointed
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: out last hour what could have been if you just
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: beat Kentucky.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: We guessed maybe eight spots higher, literally.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Mississippi State was a bad one, too, but just where
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: Kentucky is right now.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: That would be a.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Huge win for them. Kentucky's the one that puts them about... What,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: nine or ten spots higher in the rankings probably? Based
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: off of our crunching of the numbers we did?
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Let's start with Wake. That's what this show does? We
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: number crunch? Crunch them, baby. You give us a number,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: we crunch it. The only crunching we're doing is Captain Crunch.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I feel like that's all
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: we're doing here. God, I love Captain Crunch. That tracks.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: That definitely tracks.
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: Peanut butter is the best flavor, by the way.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Also, Maggie, it doesn't help that I agree that Wake
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: is better than their ranking. But it also doesn't help
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: that their first crack at proving that is this weekend
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: against Mary Mac on the schedule.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Why is that game on?
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: You would like to have an opponent here where you say, hey,
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: we just handled another team easily, not Mary Mac, because
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: that's good. People are going to go, oh, look at Wake.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: They're playing Mary Mac. That's not going to help their
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: ranking next week. So we want to know, like, did
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Wake get jobbed here? Did Wake get screwed with this ranking?
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: I will say this. I put them over Texas Tech
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: and LSU right now. Texas Tech hasn't beaten a ranked
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: team either, by the way. They got run out the
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: building by an unranked Cincinnati. Texas Tech's strength of schedule
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: is 25 spots lower than Wake's. For all the talk
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: about Wake's schedule, their strength of schedule is 43. Texas
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Tech is 68. So to me, Texas Tech has a
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: way worse loss. Matter of fact, how about this? Wake
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: lost by 13 points to the number one team in
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: the country. Texas Tech lost by 13 to a team
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: that got drilled by 1,000 by Utah. It's true. Can't
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: argue it. I would call out Texas Tech. I would
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: call out LSU. They also don't have any ranked teams.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Their best win is probably against a 5-3 Clemson team, LSU.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Who's Wake's best win? 5-3 Louisville. There's not much of
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: a difference there.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: No, and it's also the level of dominance that Wake
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: is getting to. Look at their recent wins, Max. It's
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: that Louisville game. 54, 24, 34, and 44. And then,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: of course, Mary Mack will be similar to that. What
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: hurts Wake, and we see this so often in the ACC, that...
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: You end up having to root for, and this is
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: college football in general, you end up, Mac, having to
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: root for your rivals or your opponents, whatever, to have
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: their own success. So when you play them, your wins
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: look better. Louisville, they were number 16 when they beat them.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: Not a great year for them. SMU kills them because
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: that looked like a huge game coming up.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: SMU loses. Out the rankings.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: So Wake, not only do they get jobbed by the committee,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: but their conference foes are not.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Helping them either.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Here's my problem, though. They do need Duke to keep winning, too.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Duke is almost ranked, by the way, in one of
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: the polls. Not the playoff poll, but the other poll.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Anything would help.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Anything would help their resume. Because right now, they don't
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: play a ranked team the rest of the year. I
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: said it weeks ago, Bone, and unfortunately these rankings, I think,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: confirm it. They have to beat Miami and win the
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: ACC title outright to get the auto bid. I just
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: think that's their only path in.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: And I hate it. I think that's possible.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I definitely think that if Florida State and Carolina come
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: that close, give Wake a second chance. But actually, when
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: you think about it, Bone, we thought Wake's performance against
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Miami was damn good.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: They lost by 13.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Florida State and Carolina gave them more of a fight.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: So I think that's something that now you look at
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Wake and it's kind of like, oh, they played Miami
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: the third best of anybody this season. The problem with Wake, though,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: is the ranked games and the lack of ranked wins
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: and the fact they could go the whole season without them.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: How are you going to get ahead of SEC teams?
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Like I said, I'd put them ahead of LSU. Now,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: if LSU goes beats Alabama, they, you know, they can't,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: they wouldn't be LSU's got three more ranked teams left.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Tennessee has multiple ranked teams left. They're ahead of them.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Ohio state. Are they getting ahead of Ohio state? Like
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: it's just to no Dame. These are the teams that
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: are directly ahead of them. And I just, I can't
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: see a world. I hate it for wake, but I
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: can't see a world where they can break through these
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: teams that are going to have these ranked multiple ranked wins.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: No, there's going to be so many three loss teams
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: in the SEC that are going to get priority over
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: a lot of things. Like Wake with two losses to
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: Miami is not getting in over three loss SEC teams,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: are they? Because they possibly don't have any ranked wins.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: Not with the value that the SEC has over the ACC.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: The other thing, Mac, about Wake being Miami is Miami's
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: hard to beat because of the talent that they have
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: at quarterback. Tony, their coaching is so much better than
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: it was. But Miami's hard to beat back in general
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: because it's just always crazy how all the breaks and
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: benefits always go Miami's way.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So you can play Miami great.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Who's to say a call doesn't go against you playing
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Miami down the stretch of a game like Wake Forest
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: got to do?
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't help matters. It does not.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Also, don't sleep on Miami plays Virginia Tech also along
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: the way here. Virginia Tech is kind of stickier right
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: now with some of these matchups. Careful with that, Miami.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, again.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: If Florida State can push you, Virginia Tech can push you.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: That's the point.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: With that pass defense at Miami right there, you can't
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: tell me the way Grunkemeyer's slinging it. They couldn't give
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: them some problems. 7-0-4, 5-7-0, 9-6-10 if you want to
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: jump in here. And that would be horrendous for the
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: ACC if Miami were to lose. I mean, I wonder
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: how much it would hurt the ACC if Miami lost
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: to Notre Dame. Because if Miami lost to Notre Dame, Bone,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: and lost to Wake... in the conference title game, would
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: they leave Miami out? I like, I fear this is
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: a huge game for the, it's huge game for Notre
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Dame because them being ranked number 11th would shock people.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Like it feels like if they lose this game, Notre
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Dame could be on the outside for the second straight year.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: But I worry about Miami bone. If they trip up somewhere,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: it feels like even the Notre Dame game. And then
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: we're to lose the, like no two loss ACC team
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: bone is going to Has a chance, right? Because they'll
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: always go, oh, three loss SEC.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: Because how many ranked wins back does Miami have? They
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: have none. Stanford, FAMU, Wake, Central Michigan, Clemson, Florida State, Pittsburgh, Carolina.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: And they were pushing a couple of those games. Yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: if Notre Dame is a loss, they could be... They've
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: also got Duke and Virginia Tech after that. That's no guarantee.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Miami is starting to trend down a little bit in
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: my eyes in terms of national contenders. I think they're
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: in a tough spot against Notre Dame. I think Notre
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Dame will actually benefit from that ranking because, yeah, that
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: game already meant a lot. But now Notre Dame knows
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: our season's in jeopardy again against a team that took
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: us out. Not us, but talking about Notre Dame. That
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: took us out last year. I think Marcus Freeman knows
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: that this is almost like a do or die.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: There's no.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: There's no turning back if they lose that game. I
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: think Miami is in a tough spot in this game.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Miami is trending down. Notre Dame's desperate. It's in South Bend.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: Revenge from last year. I think this is a tough
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: one for Miami. I tend to agree. Hold that thought.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Hold that thought.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Because at 825, we're going to get more into Notre Dame,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Ohio State, Alabama, like all these brands, Bone, that where
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: they're ranked has people fired up.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I had a lot of thoughts. You don't worry.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Unleash them in a little bit. Nelson says Wake deserves
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: to be in. That's a good football team. He goes
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Pat McAfee on him. Good football team. Another texter, big pain,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: big ACC fan, says you cannot prove Wake should not
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: be there.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: It is rigged.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: I would say, Bone, they don't have any ranked wins
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: and it kills them. and the SEC are swimming in
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: ranked wins and ranked losses, but the committee's the one
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: that ranks.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: The SEC teams. They do have a rank.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: They rank the SEC teams, and when they lose to
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: SEC teams, it doesn't hurt them.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: To clarify, Wake is ranked now, but when they beat them,
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: they were not ranked. Who are you talking about? Miami's schedule.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: I said no ranked wins. Obviously, if you look at
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: it now.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, they do have one. Yes, good point. But
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: when they beat them, they were not, is what I
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: was looking at. Good point. But anyway, we've got more
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: playoff talk to get into.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: It's juicy, man. The rankings were crazy. Like, I have
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: never looked at a first ranking and had that many issues.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: No.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: When we come back, many Panther fans are hoping for
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: a change to a 4-3 defense. Now that Averro's gone,
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: does that make sense? Is that a real possibility? Sports Radio,
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: 92.7 WFNZ.