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The reasons why Everton beat Newcastle twice! | Outside the Box · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

• 0:01
  Well, the studio's had an upgrade.
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  This is fantastic.
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  That'll change, hasn't it?
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  And Tony's here.
• 0:07
  Oh, don't start.
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  I'm okay with his hair.
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  I understand the reason he's done the beard, but doesn't he half look different when he shaves your face?
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  Yeah, look like a tennis ball.
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  You have to get it done, though, because it's going to be a long month for you.
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  Yeah, it is.
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  What have you done it for?
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  Movember.
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  Just getting men talking.
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  So I just think we should be talking.
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  Everyone's struggling and problems.
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  You know what?
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  I appeared on IFL's...
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  program last night Coogan Cassius who does IFL London the broadcasting thing his platform he'd done something for men's metal I'd done 24 hours of interviewing people yesterday and I was talking to him and he just broke down crying after the match last night I stopped at the services and I was talking to him and he just broke down crying it broke my heart
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  I messaged him when I got home two o'clock this morning.
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  I said, you're okay, you're sure and that and stuff.
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  But he was still recording the things.
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  And I just said, why do you think?
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  Why do you feel so ashamed of... And he just said, I shouldn't be doing it.
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  And I said, lad, everyone's going through something.
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  There's nothing wrong in talking about how you feel.
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  So, yeah, and that's just one person.
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  I think I'd...
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  I mean, I'm really pleased that it's getting talked about, and we have to, and it's important.
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  But he won't be the last person that starts crying just talking to you.
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  Will he?
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  Well, Newcastle...
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  I feel like doing it every week.
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  Well, Newcastle...
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  I did speak to a couple of Newcastle fans on the way out last night.
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  They looked like they were close to tears.
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  Oh, you went to game, didn't you?
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  Of course I went to game, son.
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  Of course I went to game.
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  I was hoping I was going to see little legs there, but...
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  You just let one of the babies go.
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  I did, yeah.
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  My middle kid went.
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  He texted me on Thursday and said, Dad, if I get a ticket and I sort my travel and you don't need to worry, can I go to the game at Newcastle?
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  I was like, who with?
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  How old was he?
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  18, just 18.
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  He went, who with?
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  And he went to this mate and that mate.
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  And I was like, yeah, it sounds like you'll have a great idea.
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  No problem, yeah.
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  Have fun.
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  And then five minutes later, I've gone to myself.
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  Shit.
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  Has he asked his mum?
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  The real boss in the audience.
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  Because I was thinking, I usually don't get asked these conversations.
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  So I texted back and said, did you ask your mum?
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  He went, God, no.
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  He's done well.
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  But you said yet now.
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  No, no, no.
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  And I was like, yeah, fair enough.
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  Well done.
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  What did Jenny say?
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  I wish she wasn't happy with you.
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  I didn't tell her.
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  I didn't tell her until four o'clock yesterday afternoon.
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  He was halfway there.
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  Oh, no.
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  I'm only joking.
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  He is a good omen.
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  Do you know what?
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  I don't know if he's told you that, but he is.
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  Well, that's his third proper away game.
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  It's a forest away.
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  He's won 1-0.
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  Corey...
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  The core it was, the last minute goal was it?
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  A couple of years back.
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  And he's done two this year, Preston and Newcastle.
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  Carter's done three away.
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  Carter's done United away and this away.
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  It's the best age, isn't it, to do the aways?
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  To do it on his own.
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  Yeah, when I was 18, I loved it.
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  I got like 10 that first season when I was 18.
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  He has done a few away games, like I've took him or he's gone with his brother, but to go just with him and his mates.
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  That's a big one.
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  On the coach, I think we heard from the Falcon.
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  I don't think I got that, R-Coby.
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  On the coach from the Falcon last night.
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  Oh, mate.
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  I don't think I got that, R-Coby, because R-Coby went wrestling last night, otherwise I'd have to talk to the Elk.
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  You should have sent him to Newcastle.
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  Oh, mate.
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  So, yeah, I took Carter and Corey, and Carter was tired getting up this morning.
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  We're home at 2 o'clock this morning, but...
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  because Mar's not happy with me.
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  Deacon didn't get in until three, and I think he staggered through the door.
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  Still sinking.
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  Well done, son.
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  Well done, Matt.
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  To get a taxi home from where he got dropped off the bus.
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  Brilliant.
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  What a boy.
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  What a lad.
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  What a game.
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  What a performance.
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  Oh, it was, yeah.
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  I mean, a great week.
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  I mean, it's hard to say, you know, a lot's happened since we last spoke, and there's some great performances, off-field issues.
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  Where do we start?
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  Just last night on its own,
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  Let's go over there seeing as you went, Tony went the game.
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  Our best performances of the season.
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  I mean, let's start with you.
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  You were there.
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  Yeah.
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  How was it at the stadium?
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  Atmosphere was brilliant on our way into St. James Park getting booed.
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  You're up in the gods though, aren't you?
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  Yeah, but maybe walked up 25 flights of stairs and I did count them.
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  He can literally text me, Dad, these stairs ain't no joke.
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  I'm exhausted.
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  Ain't a joke, you know.
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  These stairs ain't for the week, Dad.
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  He did.
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  He did.
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  He said he went in an hour early and he'd got to his seat half an hour to go.
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  That's it.
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  You know what?
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  We got there the same time.
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  I parked the car, got myself a ticket.
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  But you know what?
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  We got there, the atmosphere in there was brilliant.
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  Everyone was singing, everyone was on top of it.
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  It was just brilliant.
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  It was fantastic.
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  That's one of the very few grounds I haven't been to.
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  Was it?
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  Yeah, I've never been there.
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  I haven't been to St James Park and I said to the lads, me two lads and Jacko who come with us, I said, I'm telling you now, statistically, this is the best away ground for us over the last, I would say, five years.
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  And I was thinking that in my head, but I said it out loud.
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  And I couldn't, why did you just say that, Dad?
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  And I just went, I said it like, because I'm talking it out loud.
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  I'd go even longer than that, because in our last podcast I said, I fancy us to do all right against Newcastle.
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  I said, we've got a really good record, even in my time, of playing Newcastle, of beating Newcastle, especially at their place.
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  Do you take that on board, when you're on the bus going down up there?
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  Are you talking about that as players?
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  Yeah, I think so, a little bit.
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  But it's just a feeling, you know, when you turn up somewhere and you're like, oh, I love this place.
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  It just makes you play, makes you sort of feel confident, comfortable.
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  You go there knowing you've got a good history there.
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  Remembering some, I mean, that's good.
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  At least a couple of goals up at Newcastle.
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  usually in front of the Everton fans, which obviously makes it even sweeter.
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  So you'd always go there.
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  And by the way, it is a tough place to go at times.
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  They make it difficult.
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  You can go, I've been there and been beaten plenty of times.
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  But as the away team, yeah, we've gone there and done well.
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  And I...
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  I fancied us, I really did.
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  Did you, before we move on that, from where you are in the stand, high up in the rafters, can you see the hill?
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  Yeah.
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  Or the hill?
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  Can you see the hill?
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  The pitch, no.
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  Because you're at the very top of the hill.
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  Oh, are we?
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  Yeah.
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  You know what, I only asked you that question because I've watched documentaries and I've recently watched the Millennial one, I thought it was absolutely amazing.
• 6:31
  Yeah, it's class.
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  Joe Millennial's one of my heroes, I think he's an absolute legend of the game and I love him, I think he's brilliant.
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  But I listen to Frank Lampard, and I've heard him in a number of interviews and stuff like that, and Frank Lampard always has...
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  He speaks...
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  The way you've just spoke about St. Jude's Park, he speaks like that about White Hart Lane.
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  You know, he used to call it a three-point lane.
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  Yeah, they call it that range.
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  So I just think, you know, as players... Because I've never...
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  In my dreams, you wish you was a player, but you think to yourself, are they a turn and all?
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  Because...
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  What we're doing here is you're a player, so we, as fans, like me and Liam, run against the side, what are you thinking when you're turning up there?
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  And to me, that must be a great feeling.
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  Yeah.
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  So what was your feeling the same when you turned up at Anfield?
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  I'm playing on a play.
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  I feel different.
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  You know, Liverpool, despite them being a good team, raised their game.
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  The atmosphere is incredible.
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  But Derby is something different.
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  Is it?
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  Completely.
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  Yeah, whereas going to the likes of Chelsea, when they were flying Mourinho 5-6-7, or 5-0-6-0-7, you're thinking, I felt like they loved coming to go.
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  We're in for a tough day here.
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  We need to be really, really good.
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  And...
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  I'm not saying I felt bad, and I'm not saying you go into those games being like, oh my God, I'm nervous and I don't want to get on the ball, but you go in there thinking, we've got to be at our best to get something here.
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  And yeah, whether you want to or not, you do, you're not defeated before you got there, but you're fighting that mental thing as well.
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  By the way, we went and got a couple of good results.
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  Chelsea went through in the cup on penalties.
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  Kiles over a kick.
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  That was a great goal.
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  That was a great game.
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  Was that 2-2?
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  Was that the 2-2 draw?
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  Yeah.
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  I think it was a cup.
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  I can't even remember.
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  Yeah.
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  I can't remember the width, but we had a couple of times that we did okay, but the majority, it was tough down there.
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  But Newcastle, yeah, it just feels a good place to go.
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  And I felt that, and I've got to be honest, the performance we put in in the Carabao Cup, which we'll come back to in a bit,
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  I think David Moyes said it himself, made me think they're going to have to raise their game.
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  They're going to go into this game at home.
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  Crowd are going to get them.
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  They're going to come flying at us in the first part of the game, especially with the animosity between Taki and Joel Linton, which was funny, by the way.
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  I was made up with that.
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  Yeah, but I thought they'd cut the way through.
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  I just went and grabbed him literally by the neck.
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  Just went, whoop, have a bit of that.
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  But I thought we'd have to dig in for 20 minutes to get through and then we could grow in the game and it was anything.
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  But we started quicker.
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  We were moving the ball better.
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  We were making better passes.
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  We were going forward with it.
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  They were giving it away.
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  Were you surprised by how tame they were?
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  Well, I'm going to go the other way and say it was just us being good.
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  Because the reason we were able to play such good football is because the speed at which we won the ball back, every time we did give it away, we pounced on them.
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  We won second balls brilliant.
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  We won competing balls more often, nine times out of ten.
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  Any contested ball, basically every one of our players, midfield especially,
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  And I'm going right across the board and I'm including Tyreek George, who was very good out of possession as well as in possession, and Merlin Roll, who I thought was outstanding.
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  And that's not to mention the midfield three, which dominated the game.
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  That group of players never lost or very rarely lost a second ball or a duel.
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  There you go, that's the word I'm looking for.
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  They very rarely lost a duel.
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  And that is why we were able to go on and dominate the game.
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  Do you know what?
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  when I was watching the game, I think we're such a different team at home.
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  And I don't know what it is.
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  Are we still finding our feet at Hill Dickinson?
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  But we went there.
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  We played so much better at their place.
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  And let's be totally honest here.
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  You've got to look at it.
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  At Hill Dickinson...
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  They've left a couple of players out.
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  Joe Linton doesn't play starts every week.
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  At Hill Dickinson, they can kind of accept it, but that's the best team they had at their place.
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  At Hill Dickinson, I thought we were a bit nervous at times.
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  We get the goal and it settles us a little bit, but we're still not bopping it round like we was at their place.
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  It's a far better performance at their place than it was at Hill Dickinson.
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  There's absolutely no excuse for that.
• 11:03
  I think as players, they should have been doing that at the Hill Dickinson.
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  But it's a, I don't know, it's a sense of freedom.
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  Well, from a fan looking out from the outside, from my perspective is, there's a sense of freedom when we go away.
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  There's no pressure and it's shown at St James' last night because they were just bopping that round having a laugh.
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  They were just, they were, you know, there was players just getting that Newcastle team and the,
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  They were trying.
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  It's not like they stopped running.
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  That team hasn't downed tools on that manager, because they were chasing after everything.
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  They were trying their best.
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  They just weren't good enough.
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  And the lads were brilliant.
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  The short-sided stuff, knocking, playing out.
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  They were fantastic.
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  Jordan Pickford was obviously right up for it, as he always is when he plays them.
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  But he's up for it when he plays anyone.
• 11:43
  But I just thought the middle of the park were, like Ozzy said, winning duels.
• 11:47
  Addison Armstrong ran so much mail and roll was brilliant.
• 11:50
  Like, I've said that and I said that at the start of the season about how big Keane and Juice Borel is for us.
• 11:55
  I couldn't believe how much space he had on the pitch yesterday.
• 11:57
  That's the worrying factor.
• 11:58
  Like, I don't want to put a mark on our performance in any way, shape or form.
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  but they're bang and trouble Newcastle.
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  They are bang and trouble.
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  I was worried when he was appointed and they had a couple of decent results and I'm probably more worried for them now.
• 12:15
  Did you hear Dan Byrne's interview after the game?
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  I don't know if you've heard that.
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  I was too busy on TalkSport celebrating.
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  Giving stick out to come to you, no matter.
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  Dan Byrne basically...
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  I'm linking it to your point of Newcastle actually came to the Earl Dickinson.
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  Despite us winning, they bopped it round well.
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  They had chances.
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  They had chances.
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  They actually played really well.
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  But we sat in with defensively solid and scored three quality goals when the opportunity came.
• 12:47
  At their place, they seem to get a little bit nervous.
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  In the same way that you said at Hill Dickinson, we should have been popping it round, we looked a little bit nervous to start with in the game.
• 12:59
  When we went there, we played well.
• 13:01
  Dan Verne came out after the game and they asked him about him being a Geordie and him being disappointed as a fan and as a player at the result.
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  And he basically went, we are, I am, but it's not easy to play in your stadium in these moments.
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  And you can feel it.
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  You can definitely feel it when you're out there.
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  But isn't this why the professional footballers, you've got to learn to deal with that?
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  I was going to say, how big is that battle?
• 13:27
  Surely as a professional footballer, you've just almost got to block that out and go, I've still got to perform here.
• 13:32
  Yeah, look, you can mentally sort of try and go into your zone, into your shell, and you're looking at it, but...
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  And you can definitely zone out individual voices and individual names.
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  And even songs, you can, for the most part, zone out a crowd singing a song.
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  But you can't zone out the tone and the noise.
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  You can't zone out feeling.
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  It seeps onto the pitch all the time.
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  So as a player...
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  Surely you've got to be able to go... Is the captain coming over to you and going, Hey lad, it's here now.
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  Pick up.
• 14:11
  We've got to perform better.
• 14:12
  Whose job is that?
• 14:14
  Being on a football pitch like that soccer and stuff like that, I couldn't hear a word anyone saying.
• 14:20
  So, you know, I saw that and that's only a little dopes insight.
• 14:24
  You're a player.
• 14:25
  Is the captain going, oh, you're going, hey, this is not going well.
• 14:27
  You sort yourself out.
• 14:28
  There has to be some people on the pitch, whether it be the captain, whether it be other people.
• 14:33
  Certain times in my career, it was, you know, I'd take the responsibility to do it.
• 14:37
  But it's hard to stop momentum.
• 14:39
  But I'm not a footballer.
• 14:41
  I'm petrified.
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  I'm genuinely scared on a football pitch when people are watching me because I'm a clown.
• 14:46
  I'm good at having a fight.
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  But you're a professional footballer.
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  That's what you're like.
• 14:49
  I'm never nervous in a boxing ring.
• 14:50
  And I'm never, even if I'm getting smashed and I'm getting beat up, I know my time's going to come.
• 14:55
  As a footballer for you, are you thinking, like last night with that Newcastle team, you've just said that I didn't think about that.
• 15:01
  They played how we were playing at Hill Dickinson.
• 15:03
  Yeah, they looked nervous.
• 15:04
  And we've gone their place and played how they were started at our place.
• 15:08
  And you're absolutely spot on.
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  So why?
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  Why are they doing that?
• 15:12
  Why did they come to Hill Dickinson and bop it round the way we did when we've gone to their place?
• 15:17
  We've played a better team.
• 15:19
  at the St James' so that was a better version of Newcastle when we got to St James' each left a few out to come to Hill Dickinson and they were bopping it round the park at times and we were nervous but yeah we've gone to St James' now with basically the same team was it exactly the same team that played at Hill Dickinson?
• 15:34
  they made two changes they landed no no I'm talking about Everton
• 15:37
  Hayden got dropped.
• 15:39
  Hayden got dropped.
• 15:39
  Jared Branthwaite was in, centrally.
• 15:43
  Diblin was left out and Merlin Roll went up to the right.
• 15:46
  But they don't really affect us bopping it round.
• 15:50
  They don't affect...
• 15:51
  I'm telling you now, the way we went about Newcastle-St. James' Park, why aren't we going about them like that at Hill Dickinson?
• 15:58
  And ultimately, why aren't...
• 16:01
  Newcastle going and getting arrows and about.
• 16:03
  Like, that is mad to think that just an environment can change players.
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  The feeling that seeps down as the pitch can influence the game, whether you want to or not.
• 16:14
  That also is the flip side of that.
• 16:15
  When Newcastle are playing, let's just say, Man United, or when we were playing Man United, let's use the same thing, the crowd's excitement and desire and that, baying for blood, basically, let's get a tackle in and that...
• 16:29
  That seeps down onto the pitch as well.
• 16:30
  When you're playing against a team that you've kind of seen as maybe a slight underdog, the crowd are right.
• 16:37
  But honestly, they are the 13th man.
• 16:40
  And Newcastle fans will be feeling that as well.
• 16:41
  It seeps onto the pitch.
• 16:43
  It gives you that extra.
• 16:44
  The extra yard, the excitement, the extra couple of centimetres in a tackle to stretch a bit more.
• 16:48
  It gives you all of that.
• 16:49
  I'm just saying, as what Dan Byrne was saying, the Newcastle fans did not help them last night.
• 16:54
  And I've experienced it.
• 16:56
  I don't think that's acceptable, him saying that.
• 16:59
  Because they're supporting you week in, week out.
• 17:01
  And it's not acceptable to be walking on to 4-0.
• 17:03
  It's going, we're feeling your tension.
• 17:05
  But you know what, mate?
• 17:06
  Do something about it.
• 17:09
  Do something about it.
• 17:10
  That's not fair.
• 17:10
  Look, everyone... Everyone...
• 17:13
  goes out there with the best intentions, and everyone goes out there to play well.
• 17:18
  But you have to ride the moments in the game, and we started brilliantly.
• 17:23
  And as well, you know, you're talking about the reasons why we play well, better at home.
• 17:27
  Despite us playing the same team, they tactically may have done something different.
• 17:32
  Did they, though?
• 17:33
  And...
• 17:34
  What I will say is we had so much space in midfield.
• 17:37
  Their guy, Nico Gonzalez, the one from City, centre midfielder, can't move.
• 17:44
  He couldn't get about the pitch.
• 17:45
  And our three were dominating them areas of the pitch.
• 17:48
  I couldn't believe how much space we had.
• 17:49
  Because he literally couldn't get about the pitch.
• 17:51
  And our players were one in the middle of us.
• 17:53
  Well, it seemed like because of how well we played.
• 17:55
  But we started well.
• 17:57
  They did not start well.
• 17:58
  They now need to get in the game.
• 18:00
  The ball comes to one or two players.
• 18:01
  It's rolling under their feet because the crowd is being like, you haven't been in touch for 10 minutes, come on.
• 18:06
  You need to get in the ball.
• 18:07
  One or two players, you know, it makes you a bit uptight and nervous.
• 18:12
  When you talk like that, it makes it so clear that...
• 18:18
  Playing at home is a hindrance to them at the minute.
• 18:21
  Well, it's not a hindrance to everyone.
• 18:23
  But when there's an expectation, and especially after we've just gone and beat them at our place, at Hill Dickinson, after they played well, they would have turned up thinking, if we play that way again, we'll beat them at home.
• 18:34
  And they've started the game, and after 10, 15 minutes in, they're like, come on, we've not touched it.
• 18:38
  Come on, get on.
• 18:39
  Stop, run round.
• 18:40
  And they were right to, because we were winning every single battle.
• 18:43
  But by doing that,
• 18:45
  Then you see one or two players, not everyone, but one or two players go, oh, no, this is...
• 18:49
  I don't think that's acceptable.
• 18:52
  As a professional footballer, and that's your job.
• 18:55
  That's your job, mate.
• 18:56
  Yeah, I think there's levels to it.
• 18:58
  A normal Premier League game like that, I don't think they can say.
• 19:01
  It's not acceptable, is it?
• 19:02
  If they were playing Champions League finals or something.
• 19:04
  Friends would come out and have said it afterwards.
• 19:06
  I'm going to have to watch his interview and I really like Dan Bairn he looks like a normal fella one of the lads and to front it up is he the captain of Newcastle?
• 19:14
  Yeah to come out and front it up there after because that's a sickening loss for them because lads I'll be honest they look like that's the worst
• 19:23
  I've seen them.
• 19:24
  Of all the teams I've seen us play this season, they're the weakest.
• 19:27
  I'm made up because I've always had to hate Newcastle.
• 19:31
  Without sounding by, and I'm not, Everton were brilliant, we were fantastic, but I'm not going to lie, the space Keane and Dews we always allowed, the running in Merlin Roll was doing behind them, they're not doing enough, and I'm telling you now, of all the teams I've seen us play this season stand-alone, they're the weakest.
• 19:47
  Because they're not covered in enough ground.
• 19:49
  Like, I've been away from home to, let's just say, a lot of places, even like Man United at times.
• 19:58
  And you can feel, if the fans are turning up nervous...
• 20:02
  I mean, it happened less so at the start of the career, but more as United started falling away.
• 20:10
  If you turn up and you can feel the opposition's nerves, the fan base, you can feel them.
• 20:14
  And I'm telling you, Everton last night would have thrived on the opposition, on the feeling that was coming down off the home fans.
• 20:23
  They would have known because they would have felt...
• 20:25
  oh, they got on the players' back for having a bad touch there.
• 20:28
  So the next time, I'm going to get right in his face and I bet he's already nervous.
• 20:32
  And if they're growing again, I'm having it.
• 20:34
  And suddenly you're using as much as you can use your home fans to help you play better, which we're one of the best for being able to do that in a lot of games.
• 20:46
  Last night, we were able to use the away fans.
• 20:49
  Sorry, we were able to use their fans.
• 20:51
  We were the home fans to our own advantage.
• 20:54
  David Moyes is making little tactical moves and it's really clever like playing Merlin Roll last night over like an Ainsley Maitland-Niles or playing Jake O'Brien, it's really smart and clever because you could just go right, I'm putting the conventional right back in but there's reasons he's putting players in positions that he's playing them.
• 21:13
  We looked more physical than them yesterday We just bullied them I bullied them and I'll pass them
• 21:18
  Yeah, I thought Merlin Roll's position right midfield was a great move because in the first game, one of the big outlets for getting forward was Lewis Hull.
• 21:33
  who, by the way, towards the end of the game, I wanted to drive to Newcastle and leave one on him myself, even though I don't fight, from his reaction on Harrison Armstrong, which was out of order from him.
• 21:44
  Yeah, that was bad.
• 21:44
  And I was hoping one of our guys grabbed him or something at least, but...
• 21:50
  Naughty that was.
• 21:52
  It was.
• 21:52
  They were just frustrated, but it's still naughty, and one of us should have reacted to that.
• 21:56
  But in the first game, he was an outlet.
• 21:59
  We kept finding him down.
• 22:00
  Not that Diblin wasn't tracking him back properly.
• 22:03
  He was, but he's very, very quick, Lewis Hall.
• 22:07
  And if you've seen the first part of the game, we kept just... Every time Merlin Roll got into his stride, we just put the ball in that corner because he's so quick.
• 22:14
  And for the most part, Lewis Hall was able to kind of get with him.
• 22:18
  So...
• 22:19
  That's why we played Merlin right midfield to kind of stop him.
• 22:24
  But Merlin showed me a lot more going forward than I've seen.
• 22:28
  I thought his passes off the line.
• 22:30
  I thought maybe that's because he's had a bit of a run at right back over the season.
• 22:35
  And maybe he's been on the pitch more.
• 22:36
  And maybe he's now, as you do, you feel your way into a season of performances.
• 22:41
  And he's...
• 22:42
  Now flicking them around the corner and playing passes inside and coming in and following his pass.
• 22:47
  But he looked a lot more assured in possession in that area.
• 22:52
  And I thought it was a very good tactical move.
• 22:55
  And maybe it was one of the reasons was to get a bit more hype because Jake O'Brien came in.
• 23:00
  Well, he never came in.
• 23:01
  He played centre-back in the first game.
• 23:02
  Moved to right-back for the second game.
• 23:04
  Great from him.
• 23:06
  And it's been criticised playing Jake O'Brien at right back at times, but it was obviously the right move.
• 23:11
  He's come out and said he thinks he's centre-off.
• 23:13
  Well, he is.
• 23:14
  Yeah, he is, of course, but it shows the maturity of him to go, I'll do whatever he asks me to do.
• 23:20
  It shows the maturity of the player, and it shows the trust that the manager has in him.
• 23:23
  He's also, though, made a statement, said, I want to be a centre-back, I don't want to be a right back, I'm getting criticised, blah, blah, blah, blah, I want to be a centre-back.
• 23:32
  He's not played for quite a while.
• 23:34
  He's come in at centre-back and then just said, just keep me in the team.
• 23:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:38
  I'm sorry.
• 23:39
  I'm sorry.
• 23:39
  Put me up front.
• 23:40
  Put me up front.
• 23:41
  Sorry, Gaffer.
• 23:42
  I'll do it.
• 23:43
  I'm a good boy.
• 23:45
  And he might not be in the team the next game.
• 23:47
  You know, it depends who we've got and whether it's actually a beneficial car.
• 23:51
  Can you change that team also?
• 23:52
  Yes, you can.
• 23:53
  And the reason you can is...
• 23:55
  not being disrespectful to Coventry, but going away from home to a Newcastle or maybe, let's just say it was a Chelsea or maybe someone else, you need different sort of attributes and you need to cover different areas than you might do against a different team at home, not being disrespectful to Coventry.
• 24:11
  No, we need to be, because they need to behave themselves to get too many points for my life.
• 24:15
  Is this another one of them teams?
• 24:17
  Yeah, it's rubbing me up the wrong way.
• 24:18
  They beat Sunderland.
• 24:19
  We need to put them back in the place.
• 24:21
  We'll need different sort of armoury or weapons to beat...
• 24:24
  Coventry than we would to beat...
• 24:26
  They're going to have a much more fight than Newcastle, I'm not going to lie.
• 24:30
  But then again, now that my mindset's changing and my thought process is changing because of what he said, I actually wish we were going to Coventry's place.
• 24:40
  I mean, bottles are going a bit now already.
• 24:42
  Well, it is that kind of performance.
• 24:44
  If we turn up and the crowd will be behind us, absolutely.
• 24:48
  But if we're not, if it's 1-0 to them or 0-0 at half-time, the nervousness will be there, the frustration will be there.
• 24:54
  Because we expect to win and we should be the better team.
• 24:57
  So are you urging us a player?
• 24:59
  You're urging us, just keep cheering us on?
• 25:01
  Or like, what can we do as fans?
• 25:03
  How can we take that nervousness away from you?
• 25:05
  Yeah.
• 25:06
  Well, you'd say, do I wish that we could cheer us on?
• 25:08
  Of course I do, but is that realistic?
• 25:11
  No, because I turn up myself.
• 25:15
  And I go, come on!
• 25:17
  I am a fan myself.
• 25:18
  I do the exact same thing, so I am not...
• 25:21
  I'm one of us.
• 25:23
  I know exactly how it feels.
• 25:24
  We've walked into the match on the weekend and gone, listen, lads, no one can be shouting.
• 25:27
  No, just... That's what I'm saying.
• 25:30
  I'm saying that it's not easy.
• 25:33
  I was just explaining the situation.
• 25:35
  I know we're going there expecting to beat Covetry, whether we want to or not.
• 25:39
  I know we're going there hoping that we can be...
• 25:43
  a couple of goals ahead after 20 minutes.
• 25:46
  And if we're not, we'll be like, come on, lads.
• 25:48
  Hurry up, lads.
• 25:48
  Come on.
• 25:49
  Come on.
• 25:49
  Oh, we've missed another chance.
• 25:52
  Now you're starting to get... First goal last night was crucial.
• 25:54
  Yes.
• 25:54
  Yeah.
• 25:55
  First goal's crucial because they scored first last night and you can feel it.
• 25:59
  Like, that place would have went nuts, wouldn't it?
• 26:02
  52,000 in there last night, that would have went nuts.
• 26:04
  I was watching the game with my eldest on the telly and all.
• 26:09
  And...
• 26:10
  even from home.
• 26:12
  I was thinking, when they got a corner in the 90th minute, I said to the caller, I said, if they score one, they'll score two.
• 26:20
  That's the way it felt, as good as we'd been in the game.
• 26:23
  You felt that if we had conceded with, what was it, eight minutes of injury time?
• 26:28
  That save Jordan Pickford makes with his legs.
• 26:30
  Oh my lord.
• 26:31
  Great save.
• 26:31
  Oh my lord.
• 26:32
  Do you know the one that it's the post from Alanga?
• 26:36
  It spins and hits his elbow.
• 26:37
  I'm pretty sure.
• 26:38
  Did you see the one that scraped the long line?
• 26:42
  It went flash across the goal, a longer sort of meter at the back.
• 26:45
  I think it did have to touch because the way the ball spun back the other way.
• 26:48
  It's spinning one way, Jordan's sort of going for it, realising it's on his inside shoulder.
• 26:54
  And he's half trying to get out of the way of it, but he sort of gets his elbow just enough on it and it just bounces on the line.
• 27:01
  And then Tarky kicks it away.
• 27:04
  And even that was a really important touch.
• 27:07
  It goes under the radar how good he is.
• 27:10
  Genuinely does.
• 27:10
  I put it on my social media yesterday and I just put, you'd seen a clip of him and I was put, so underrated because he plays for Everton Football Club.
• 27:18
  So overlooked.
• 27:20
  Never put a foot wrong for England.
• 27:21
  We got to finals because of that lad.
• 27:23
  And like I said, it's a crime.
• 27:26
  I think he's been the best keeper in the league this season so far.
• 27:28
  He's been absolutely fantastic.
• 27:29
  He's been the best keeper of the last...
• 27:31
  Few seasons?
• 27:32
  Again, I'll just go back to the end of every season when you look at competition for save of the season.
• 27:39
  He's got three months worth.
• 27:42
  Three winners from at least three months in the season.
• 27:45
  My mate's a proper football historian.
• 27:47
  He's one of the lead publicists for The Zone.
• 27:49
  He's massive, just Walker.
• 27:51
  But he's an audible cop-out.
• 27:52
  He's proper bitter.
• 27:54
  He despises him.
• 27:54
  He's an audible cop-out before.
• 27:56
  He is an audible, audible cop-out.
• 27:57
  Or do you know more than one?
• 28:00
  Yeah, I know a few to be fair.
• 28:01
  There's another one called Rob Gag.
• 28:03
  He's absolutely despicable as well.
• 28:05
  He supports Liverpool and anyone who's playing Everton.
• 28:07
  They put Tuna on me last night and big flags flying around before the game.
• 28:11
  That worked out well, didn't it, lads?
• 28:12
  You're a pair of honourable cop-outs.
• 28:14
  But when you're talking about these, he's not usually biased, walks in, he knows football, and he's an average Premier League keeper, but he's not.
• 28:24
  I said, you're lying.
• 28:25
  He's England No.
• 28:26
  1, he's this and that.
• 28:28
  Jordan Pickford and on Hart, I reckon he saves Everton 20 points a season.
• 28:34
  I know that sounds a lot, but I'm not joking.
• 28:37
  There's three last night.
• 28:38
  Because there's two big, massive saves.
• 28:41
  And that one with the feet at the end, Ozzy's spot on.
• 28:44
  That goal goes in, and that's not his fault, by the way, because that's a deflection.
• 28:48
  And he's just in the right place to get his feet to it.
• 28:50
  That's not luck.
• 28:51
  That's no one positioning how you've done it.
• 28:53
  But like Ozzy said, if that goes in...
• 28:56
  by his legs, there's a good 5-10 minutes left there to play, because there's 8 minutes stoppage time, I think he saves it with his feet, just before the 88th minute, I think it was, something like that, that goes in us, and the ascendancy's with them, and that's a killer, that's 3 points gone, and that's the keeper, I know it's a team game, and he played, as I said, as a team, it's one of the best performances I've ever seen of Everton away from home, that's how good it was, but the keeper is...
• 29:23
  them points made, I'm sorry, but he is a massive factor last night.
• 29:29
  That save keeps you points.
• 29:32
  I agree.
• 29:32
  Quick one.
• 29:33
  Are you saying it's the best you've witnessed personally away from home?
• 29:38
  Are you saying it's one of the best ever performances away from home?
• 29:41
  It's one of the best I've witnessed from a footballing perspective yet.
• 29:45
  Being in the stadium.
• 29:46
  Being in the stadium, watching them, watching them just pass them off the park.
• 29:50
  Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that for those Everton fans that might be listening and thinking, best ever away performance.
• 29:55
  No, no, it's one, I'm not, I'm sorry, it's not the result.
• 29:57
  No, it's fine, it's one you've witnessed yourself as well.
• 30:00
  I've witnessed them watching, we went to Arsenal one year.
• 30:02
  and I forget what year it is, but we were right at it with them.
• 30:05
  You were playing and they were amazing.
• 30:08
  I think we finished 1-1 or 2-2.
• 30:11
  It was the one where Peanut thinks the keeper.
• 30:14
  Yeah, the one where you forgot I scored.
• 30:15
  Yeah, we talked about that one.
• 30:18
  You forgot I played.
• 30:19
  Yeah, that day we went toe to toe with them.
• 30:21
  I didn't forget you played, just forgot you scored, you little weasel.
• 30:24
  But that day, we go toe-to-toe with them.
• 30:26
  And there's, like... Do you know when we went away to United last season, 1-1-0?
• 30:31
  That wasn't a great performance.
• 30:32
  That was a Dogs of War performance.
• 30:34
  We'd go on the road.
• 30:35
  And not just our own players punching each other after 10 minutes.
• 30:38
  That's my point I'm getting to.
• 30:40
  Whereas...
• 30:42
  that's not a great that's a great result but the performance of last night watching them knock it round what you used to call them things rondos you used to call them what you used to do it was like watching rondos at times the way the Newcastle because it's not like you're against the team you give up I still call them circles but yeah circles circles yeah
• 30:59
  Let's get a circle and pass the ball around.
• 31:01
  They just super had that one in.
• 31:03
  It's like when we used to just defend our edge of our box.
• 31:05
  No, it's low blocks.
• 31:06
  No, I was brought up with Rondo who was like, circles, that's a crazy shout out.
• 31:11
  That shows how young you are.
• 31:13
  Go on, lads, get a circle.
• 31:14
  The high press closing down.
• 31:16
  Let's get a circle.
• 31:17
  Right, lads, let's get a circle.
• 31:18
  Let's get a circle.
• 31:18
  Is that what you do?
• 31:19
  Are you warming up a train and getting a circle?
• 31:21
  Yeah, let's get a circle.
• 31:22
  Who's in the middle?
• 31:23
  No.
• 31:23
  I'm trying to think of a performance as one I've watched over the years.
• 31:27
  No.
• 31:27
  Do you know what another amazing woman's when I went away to Wolfsburg?
• 31:32
  Oh, yeah, I've got that one.
• 31:33
  Oh, wow, that was nuts.
• 31:35
  Banging it, bopping it round, going so much.
• 31:37
  And it's mad because when we're going away...
• 31:39
  I played that game with a broken foot.
• 31:42
  Did you?
• 31:42
  Yeah.
• 31:44
  I'd broken it against, I'm sure it was against Wolves on Saturday.
• 31:47
  I'd dislodged a little piece on the outside of the metatarsal area.
• 31:50
  Injection in it?
• 31:51
  And didn't even have an injection.
• 31:53
  But it was Roberto, and he'd left me out for the game.
• 31:56
  And I thought I was going to play, so I was like, I'm fit, I'll play.
• 31:59
  And then he put me on the bench, and I was on the bench thinking, I can't even run here.
• 32:02
  If he needs me, I'm struggling.
• 32:04
  And James McCarthy, unfortunately, was going through that period where he was pulling his hamstring every five minutes.
• 32:12
  And he'd come off after like 10 minutes.
• 32:13
  He went, Ozzy, you're going on.
• 32:14
  I was like, great.
• 32:15
  Oh, no.
• 32:18
  And I jumped on and I'd basically, the adrenaline just took over.
• 32:21
  We were amazing that night.
• 32:22
  I played, helped set up the second goal, I think it was.
• 32:26
  I wonder if I played it forward.
• 32:27
  Was it to Rom?
• 32:28
  And Rom played in Kemmerle, I think.
• 32:30
  Something like that.
• 32:32
  And we won 2-0.
• 32:34
  And...
• 32:35
  I was in the dressing room after the game nearly crying.
• 32:38
  Once the pain took over and then I got the x-ray and they went, you ain't playing for six weeks now.
• 32:44
  That was me out for six or seven weeks.
• 32:47
  The stories that we don't find out there, the stories that we don't get told as fans, and footballers playing with broken feet, that would never happen now.
• 32:54
  I'm sorry to say that.
• 32:55
  No, I wouldn't tell you.
• 32:57
  By the way, I was in agony.
• 32:58
  It killed me and I was like walking.
• 33:01
  People thought I was just normal because I've got one leg longer than the other, but I was actually limping that night.
• 33:04
  That's why I call them little legs people.
• 33:06
  That's why I've been calling them little legs all the time.
• 33:08
  People just didn't notice I was limping.
• 33:10
  But yeah, I just think as performances go, I suppose a fact that it is down to the Newcastle and where they are now to play them, but ultimately...
• 33:19
  performances I've seen over the years away from home Should we have scored more goals?
• 33:22
  Yes Absolutely Tieno misses a decent chance to start with, great little knockdown header from Jared Brantlewaite old school strike, a big man little man combination which you hardly see these days
• 33:35
  Every time a cross comes into the penalty area now from a free kick or whatever, every first contact in those positions, everyone goes for goal, regardless if you're on the edge of the box or not.
• 33:44
  But that was such a clever little intelligent header.
• 33:47
  You know, his fans last night were in the stadium and I've got to ask the question and I've got to ask you because you're the footballer.
• 33:54
  Keno's on the side and it's on 75 minutes and he's about to take the thing off and the gaffer stops at the last minute.
• 34:05
  If the gaffer brings Keanu on right and takes Barry off, what happens there?
• 34:10
  It depends what tactical shuffle you do.
• 34:13
  If you'd have put George up front and moved someone over here... No, no, no.
• 34:17
  I went through you.
• 34:17
  Oh, stop it.
• 34:18
  You know the question I've just asked.
• 34:19
  If he takes Keanu Barry off and Michael Keane goes up for them, what does that say, Oz?
• 34:24
  Because let me tell you... You're trying to scare me out of me.
• 34:27
  No, I'll say this quickly because, as I said, I was watching the game with Cole and...
• 34:33
  He said to me, he said, Dad, Corey's just texted me.
• 34:36
  We're bringing Kino on for George, it looks like.
• 34:38
  We're bringing Kino on for... Not for George, for Tear and O'Barry.
• 34:43
  He says he thinks we're bringing Kino on for Tear and O'Barry.
• 34:46
  I mean, I looked at each other and went, Oh, what?
• 34:49
  You can't, like, up front.
• 34:50
  It's funny that you're now saying that.
• 34:51
  It looked like that in the stadium, did it?
• 34:53
  In the stadium, to us, we're all fans and Peckers' mates and that are behind me.
• 34:57
  And we're all looking and thinking,
• 34:59
  Kino's going, now we're winning 1-0, but when you see Kino, you're thinking, there's nothing wrong with making tactical changes.
• 35:04
  Say he does bring Kino on, it depends, does he put him up front?
• 35:07
  I would doubt that in that moment, you'd expect him to put him at the back.
• 35:10
  What actually happened was Jared had got something that he needed to come off.
• 35:16
  But had he put him on for Tierno Barry, as long as...
• 35:20
  He just holds it up.
• 35:22
  No, I still don't think he would have put him up front.
• 35:24
  Had he decided that was the case, I think he'd have put three centre-halves on.
• 35:27
  I think he would have done something along them.
• 35:29
  So we're all reading too much into it in the same year.
• 35:32
  But going back to Tierno's chance... What if he did do us...
• 35:35
  Or if he said he was going to play more minutes up front than he was at Centre Back this season?
• 35:38
  What if he did do?
• 35:40
  As a fan base, how should we look at that?
• 35:42
  Because we've got one striker.
• 35:45
  I get it, and that's what I'm asking you for.
• 35:47
  Imagine he puts them on up front last night.
• 35:49
  They knock a ball up to him.
• 35:50
  He controls it.
• 35:51
  He just keeps hold of it.
• 35:52
  And he sends it off.
• 35:54
  I know we're laughing, but imagine he scores us.
• 35:58
  What do you do?
• 35:59
  I think he would score if he was given a... Look, he came on.
• 36:02
  What do you do if he scores?
• 36:04
  What do you mean?
• 36:04
  What do you do?
• 36:05
  I'd cheer.
• 36:06
  No, I know that.
• 36:06
  What do you want me to do?
• 36:07
  What do we do if he... Say, oh, no, get back there.
• 36:09
  No, I know.
• 36:10
  What do we do?
• 36:11
  If Michael Keane comes on right as a phone and scores a goal, what do we do?
• 36:15
  Michael Keane scores some great goals for his... Yeah.
• 36:17
  Do you mean, are we taking it serious that he might play up front and take turns with Barry?
• 36:24
  We've all heard the stories, and we've heard that he's one of the best finishers of the club.
• 36:28
  Yes, but that is different from being able to actually run the line and hold the ball up and bring people into play.
• 36:35
  Tierno Barry runs his arse off, and he doesn't stop.
• 36:38
  The boy covers a lot of distance, and he's brave.
• 36:41
  He puts himself about.
• 36:47
  The pallbearers are going to be bringing Tiano Barry out if he keeps going.
• 36:50
  Like the pallbearers.
• 36:51
  Because of how hard he's working.
• 36:53
  They're going to be bringing him out, mate, in January because he's going to have played every second of every game and he's ran his balls off and made up for him.
• 37:01
  Remember, he's still young, though.
• 37:02
  I mean, we used to be able to get through a lot of time.
• 37:05
  I mean, we're hoping he doesn't get overly kicked, which he did last night.
• 37:08
  You've got these fuckers with the iPads.
• 37:09
  I was claiming, oh, he's ran a lot of minutes.
• 37:12
  I don't know, I take no notice of them.
• 37:13
  I know, but the fuckers are with these iPads in the going, oh, listen, we've got to be careful now.
• 37:17
  He's on management.
• 37:18
  They're saying it to kids.
• 37:20
  That's embarrassing.
• 37:21
  I know, but... Tieno's young enough that he can play a hell of a lot of minutes.
• 37:24
  Harrison Armstrong's playing a hell of a lot of minutes.
• 37:26
  But he is going to get tired, is he, Oz?
• 37:28
  Is he not going to get tired?
• 37:29
  And what are we going to do because he's the only one?
• 37:31
  Now, this is a problem because we've got one forward.
• 37:34
  Oz, he's got to get tired at some point.
• 37:35
  Well, he might get to January and bring another one in.
• 37:37
  No, hopefully he gets help.
• 37:39
  And I can't praise him enough.
• 37:40
  I would expect that.
• 37:41
  I would expect us just to need to get to it.
• 37:43
  He worked his bollocks off.
• 37:44
  But Oz, what are we going to do when he is tied?
• 37:45
  And if we do throw Keno up there...
• 37:48
  It's what you saw last... No, it's what you...
• 37:50
  We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
• 37:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:53
  At the minute, we've got Johnson that can do a different kind of striker role.
• 37:57
  He'll run the channels rather than... Because he does some clever runs.
• 38:00
  Clever.
• 38:02
  But he's not really going to hold the ball up for you.
• 38:05
  But we just need to make sure we're scoring from some place consistently.
• 38:09
  And the good thing about Tierno at the minute...
• 38:12
  is he had that chance in the first half, which was a really good chance.
• 38:16
  And his technique is wrong in terms of going for it because the ball's too high for him to hit it like it's a straight volley.
• 38:23
  If he felt he...
• 38:25
  Ideally, he'd feel like he's got more time for it to come down onto his left foot, so he's hitting a normal left foot strike.
• 38:31
  But if he felt he's under pressure, he literally had to...
• 38:35
  lean over to his right, feel the contact, use the contact, lean him away and do like a sidewinder left foot.
• 38:42
  And that way it's like a side one where, because if you're going to hit it that high, you have to get your knee and your hip up.
• 38:48
  Certainly to get to a certain level to hit the swing properly, whereas he's trying to sort of hit it straight, but also somehow hit across it at the same time.
• 38:59
  It's near impossible to do.
• 39:00
  He just had...
• 39:01
  Asked, I think, what would you have done?
• 39:03
  You have to lean across it and use the defender as sort of leverage to keep you up as you're making the space to get your leg and your hip up.
• 39:13
  But the good thing about him is he doesn't seem bothered when he misses his chance.
• 39:18
  And I say that in a positive way.
• 39:20
  But that's because what we touched upon earlier on, there's no, Beto's not sitting there waiting to come on.
• 39:25
  Yeah.
• 39:26
  And I think it's a good thing.
• 39:29
  I still go on about it.
• 39:30
  I think as a striker, confidence is the biggest thing a striker can have.
• 39:35
  I just think it's the most important factor because if you're not the best player and you're technically not great or you're making mistakes or you're missing chances, the confidence of you, like if he's confident there, it's like the one the game before where he tries to do it.
• 39:47
  What he tried was so hard, but if he's confident, he's just going to be a mankeeper.
• 39:52
  I don't think the likes of your Thiago's and I don't think the likes of your Mateta's are any better than Tierno, Barry and Beto.
• 40:00
  I just don't.
• 40:01
  I just think they're more confident.
• 40:02
  That's my opinion and what I think.
• 40:04
  I think a confident striker will take an extra touch.
• 40:07
  They've got a little bit more experience.
• 40:09
  I think they've got a little bit more know-how.
• 40:11
  A lot of people have not given up on Tierno, Barry, but...
• 40:15
  I've had conversations with some ex-Everton players who aren't convinced he's going to be a solution for us.
• 40:24
  And I think if we're going to move further to the league, I think we need to bring in players, the strikers that are better than him.
• 40:30
  But I do still think he's improving.
• 40:32
  No, he is.
• 40:33
  He is improving.
• 40:34
  Listen, he's scoring goals.
• 40:35
  I don't care.
• 40:36
  I don't care if that happens.
• 40:37
  They go in off his hands.
• 40:38
  I don't care if they go in off his hands.
• 40:40
  You were critical of his celebration before.
• 40:42
  Yeah.
• 40:43
  Which I want, but I want to talk first.
• 40:45
  Thanks, man.
• 40:46
  you were you were Oz it was two yards I don't care he's just jealous because he can't flush I don't care dance as much as you score dance as much as you want you were saying he shouldn't he shouldn't be dancing like that if he's only scored the tapping from two yards I'm saying score from anywhere you want and celebrate however you want I want to see as many dancers as I can me six year olds tapping that in
• 41:07
  It doesn't matter.
• 41:08
  It doesn't matter.
• 41:09
  He gets into the position.
• 41:10
  And the reason he got into the position was because he was quick to react.
• 41:14
  He got his body across the guy who was marking him, sure.
• 41:18
  And he also, without fouling him, although we all held our breath for a minute, the way the referee stopped the game.
• 41:26
  So basically, he gets on the right side of Cher, Cher starts to try and wrestle with him, he just sticks his arm out, protects his space, he does sort of brush Cher in the face, who then goes down as if like, I've been elbowed full in the face.
• 41:44
  We just thought, from our perspective looking up in the Gods as you are, you're watching Sub-Yuti awkward times.
• 41:50
  It looked like it fell to him, tapping him from a yard out.
• 41:53
  No, he's literally, he's coming deep.
• 41:54
  He's got in between centre-halves.
• 41:55
  He's got his body into a great position.
• 41:57
  To the point, Scherr is, it's poor defending from him.
• 42:03
  Great striker play, but poor from Scherr.
• 42:04
  And once he's in the wrong position and realises, I can't get back at him now, he basically tries to buy the foul.
• 42:10
  And he does get touched to the face, but it's not a foul.
• 42:12
  Scherr's trying to grab him as much as he's trying to grab him.
• 42:15
  Ah, OK, so that's why he never got the foul, because Scherr's trying to grab him.
• 42:17
  as well as but it wasn't a foul and he was looking that way and just protecting his space so when that ball then ricochets who's there?
• 42:25
  He is because he's done the work before Listen I was trying to do the dance in the stadium I was trying to cock it As who right deserves to be able to celebrate with the dance because he did the tapping was the easy part still wasn't convinced until it went in the back of the net but the tapping was the easy part but he did the hard work before and it was actually a really good move good short pass because it was central and it was a good move
• 42:47
  Keenan actually picks...
• 42:49
  The run from Tariq was class.
• 42:52
  In terms of they got it so wrong, their right-back leaves the right-back slot to go into Keenan and... Was it Alanga just fell asleep?
• 43:02
  George realised...
• 43:03
  Great running behind.
• 43:03
  He's like centimetres onside.
• 43:05
  Ball goes in.
• 43:06
  Barry's centimetres onside.
• 43:09
  He got caught off a number of times last night and you're just like, as fans were going, like, come on, just a bit.
• 43:15
  Well, Jay Moyes' interview after the game and he went, you know, I thought Terry George should have maybe scored himself for Ferb to keep me on.
• 43:21
  And then,
• 43:22
  I thought it was going in, which I actually don't think it was going to go in.
• 43:25
  I think a defender would have gone back.
• 43:26
  I thought it was going in, Moyes' quote.
• 43:29
  And then Cieno, when I kicked it in, I was thinking, oh no.
• 43:32
  He's probably outside.
• 43:35
  But thankfully he wasn't.
• 43:37
  I was like, wow, that was harsh.
• 43:40
  Because one, it needed kicking in.
• 43:41
  And two, he got himself into the game.
• 43:43
  We are behind them.
• 43:44
  But as Evertonians, listen, I must say that the gaffer has already said that.
• 43:48
  He said he's an Evertonian.
• 43:50
  As Evertonians, we are a bit harsh at times, but you've got to understand the standard we hold players to.
• 43:55
  This is Everton Football Club.
• 43:57
  But that brings me back to the conversation we had at the start about expectations and expectancies, and I'm not blaming it because I'm now on this side, throwing elbows at people.
• 44:07
  With Everton Football Club, I'm sorry, lads, but...
• 44:10
  Yeah, this is the standard.
• 44:12
  This is a team we've won the league nine times.
• 44:14
  This is a team we've won five FA Cups.
• 44:16
  This is one of the big six, one of the big fans of the Premier League.
• 44:19
  So you've got to understand that we are demanding as fans, but we're right behind us.
• 44:25
  All of us Evertonians and as fans are, and now you're like that.
• 44:28
  You could see that again last night.
• 44:30
  I mean, what in a way following.
• 44:31
  We've always got an absolutely amazing following.
• 44:34
  Seeing the videos from there, seeing the crowd shots just from the TV, speaking to Deacon about how loud it was and how much fun he had and yourselves about the reaction.
• 44:45
  We are... We don't need to say.
• 44:49
  We know we're a top-class fan base.
• 44:51
  We want more days and nights like that.
• 44:54
  We want to get to a point where we are...
• 44:58
  back to competing for league titles long term but we have to win a little bit of silverware first we have to make some steps we have to progress there at the minute this isn't a team that can win the league so no as much as we expect take and our expectations and our standards are here and we need to be we need to you know get back to doing that it's unrealistic to expect that our team can go and win so many games of the season and finish second at the minute we have to we have to know we are and i do think we're
• 45:25
  I do still think we're progressing well.
• 45:26
  It is this.
• 45:27
  We beat Coventry on Friday, which again, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
• 45:30
  But we're fourth.
• 45:31
  Here's a question, boy.
• 45:32
  Is this a team that's better than the West Ham team that got into Europe and won a Sophie?
• 45:39
  Oof, they had some players.
• 45:40
  I don't get it.
• 45:41
  Barr and Jared Bowen playing up front.
• 45:44
  And Declan Rice.
• 45:45
  And Declan Rice.
• 45:46
  I know Declan would make a team better.
• 45:49
  Declan Rice.
• 45:50
  He really would.
• 45:51
  But our midfield isn't exactly off the pace.
• 45:54
  Our strongest point.
• 45:55
  I think our back line was better than us.
• 45:57
  Because our midfield is good.
• 45:58
  I think our back line is, well, a two centre-half, definitely.
• 46:00
  We're working on the full-back.
• 46:02
  If we get that,
• 46:02
  Likalenko, by the way, he's been brilliant.
• 46:04
  He's been great.
• 46:05
  My goal was fantastic.
• 46:06
  And again last night, up against the Langer's pace, Langer never had a kick.
• 46:09
  Made the elder Langer off, put him in his place, stay in your box, you.
• 46:13
  Just go over there, do as you're told.
• 46:14
  He was brilliant.
• 46:15
  But you compare our team with the team that was in Europe and won David Moyes' trophy and finished in the top 10 of the league quite comfortably, finishing in the European places for West Ham.
• 46:24
  Yeah.
• 46:24
  And I believe...
• 46:26
  You just give this manager backing, and he's got it in him to do what he's done at West Ham.
• 46:30
  Because you've got to look at it right now.
• 46:32
  We're off at the top of our heads, and I don't know all of the West Ham team, but I've just named the two big players.
• 46:36
  And their two big players were Jared Bone and Declan Rice in that team that wins a trophy.
• 46:40
  But I guarantee you, our back four is better than their back four.
• 46:43
  Well,
• 46:44
  The keeper's better.
• 46:45
  I don't care who was in goal.
• 46:46
  The keeper's better.
• 46:47
  The centre-ars, Tarkowski and Jared Brandweiss.
• 46:50
  I don't care who they were for West Ham.
• 46:52
  Them two are better than theirs.
• 46:53
  I'm not quite sure on the right-back and left-back, so I'm not going to comment.
• 46:56
  In the central midfield, OK, I give Declan my license getting into that team that we've got now.
• 47:01
  But ultimately, in the position that you're asking them to play...
• 47:04
  and Keenan Dewsbury is playing central midfield for West Ham where he's starting he is that good of a player he really is on the right the way Millen roleplay I think he was brilliant and you know what another one you find a place for Harrison Armstrong in a West Ham team because the boy club is so much grand I was just about to say
• 47:22
  the trajectory that young Harrison's on, he could be, he could take a Declan Rice role, you know what I mean?
• 47:30
  Slightly different players.
• 47:32
  But his influence on this team is growing game to game.
• 47:35
  The distance he covered last night.
• 47:36
  And I was saying, again, watching it, because I get criticised by family and friends, because I'm like a commentator watching it.
• 47:43
  I can't sort of, the way I sort of feel like I'm in the game and I'm watching it.
• 47:49
  And I turned to people and watching and go, did you see that?
• 47:51
  Because I feel like I'm doing all of that.
• 47:54
  I was gutted for him last night.
• 47:55
  But Harrison Armstrong, we'll come to that tackle actually in a sec, but Harrison Armstrong has the ability to cover distance, get to people, and he's got such long legs that even once he gets to people, he can actually still nick the ball.
• 48:07
  He can get a foot in.
• 48:09
  He can disrupt what you're doing.
• 48:10
  Do you know what?
• 48:11
  I was gutted because...
• 48:13
  It was in my head and I was watching him last night in the stadium and he was brilliant.
• 48:17
  He ran every day and everything.
• 48:18
  We had a chance right on half-time.
• 48:20
  I was thinking about you and I thought, it's going to come.
• 48:24
  I promise you, once he gets one goal, he'll get a few, but that was a big chance.
• 48:28
  And we were as fans thinking, oh, lad, that goes.
• 48:31
  These go in and after.
• 48:32
  And these are going to capitulate.
• 48:33
  I had the feeling if we score, well, if we score first, this crowd will turn on these.
• 48:38
  And what you're saying is so right is...
• 48:40
  you could feel the tension of them and the nervousness.
• 48:42
  It was last week I said it, wasn't it?
• 48:44
  That he has looked like a top player, but he needs to have goals to his game.
• 48:49
  Is that a bit of a look-hose?
• 48:50
  Because he hits the ball and it's not a clean strike.
• 48:52
  It's a hard chance, by the way.
• 48:53
  It's a poor finish.
• 48:54
  It's coming across him.
• 48:55
  So is it something he's capable of doing?
• 48:59
  Yes.
• 48:59
  As you talked earlier before about momentum for a striker, if Harrison gets one, he'll probably go on and get three or four.
• 49:05
  But until you get that first one, things are hard.
• 49:08
  As that ball comes in,
• 49:11
  The angle it comes back to, I think that's an easier left foot whipped finish rather than opening your body up.
• 49:19
  To hit the far post coming in from that angle is tough.
• 49:22
  What no one spoke about, which I would have done, because I trusted my touch, I'd have took a touch with my right foot and then smashed it with my left foot.
• 49:30
  Okay.
• 49:30
  All within one sort of... One move.
• 49:32
  Yeah.
• 49:33
  A lot of people would have took it with their right and then tried to bend it, but I would not have took it... Is that experience or was...?
• 49:38
  Within a step and a half, I'd have then... Was you doing that in your first year in the first team?
• 49:42
  Yes.
• 49:42
  Was you trying that?
• 49:43
  Yeah, because that was my strength.
• 49:45
  That was my technique.
• 49:46
  So the things he's... His strengths are...
• 49:49
  he's doing straight away.
• 49:51
  Scoring goals in those moments aren't his strength, so he'll pick them up as you go along.
• 49:57
  He'll get into that situation again, and maybe he'll learn from it this time, or maybe he'll try and aim to the front post, or maybe he'll hit it with his left foot.
• 50:06
  Maybe he might kill him, bang with the left foot.
• 50:08
  Things that are not as natural for you.
• 50:12
  You'll learn through progression and being in that situation.
• 50:14
  When does that confidence and when does that experience level sink in with him?
• 50:18
  Is it another whole season?
• 50:20
  Is it 10 more games?
• 50:20
  Well, that is the ultimate question, because how quickly it sinks in will kind of determine what level he can get to.
• 50:29
  But he's playing in the premiership, us.
• 50:32
  Yeah, but if it takes three seasons for him to sink in, to be fair, it'd still only be like 22.
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• 51:16
  How old were you when you started?
• 51:17
  Because you were a goal scorer in midfield.
• 51:20
  When was that first year that you felt, oh, I'm actually getting on the score sheet quite regularly here?
• 51:24
  In the first year?
• 51:27
  I think I scored five or six in my first season.
• 51:31
  So I was expected kind of to get on the score sheet.
• 51:35
  I was probably upset that I didn't get ten goals a season consistently.
• 51:38
  That's hard, that was for the midfielder.
• 51:41
  But as well, I didn't actually break through.
• 51:43
  You was never put as a ten, was you?
• 51:44
  You was a midfielder.
• 51:45
  Occasionally I was.
• 51:47
  In certain moments, I described it as when...
• 51:50
  All of our players had left and we had Phil Neville and Johnny I think a centre mid.
• 51:54
  That's when I got to play number 10.
• 51:56
  I scored a few goals in that moment.
• 51:58
  But otherwise, I was shuffled around in different positions.
• 52:02
  But yeah, I was injured one night until I was 21, really.
• 52:06
  And then it took me till 22 to kind of make me, in fact, late 21, 22, playing for Derby in 2020.
• 52:13
  to stroke 23 getting in the team harrison's still 19. he's still doing still doing his developing that's why i think he's still doing his developing in front of us but i'm saying if he because he's in the team now if he picks this up before the end of the season and gets let's just say let's it takes him to february and
• 52:32
  Between February and the end of the season, he gets four goals.
• 52:35
  And I'm going, this kid's got it, and the sky's the limit.
• 52:38
  But if it takes him three seasons and he learns to get a couple and then he forgets and then he learns, then there'll be a limit on where he gets it.
• 52:46
  Does his role, does his role.
• 52:47
  Because football intelligence determines as much as your attributes and all of this, if you've got football intelligence and you can pick things up quickly and learn quickly, the sky's the limit.
• 52:56
  It's quite clear now the manager trusts him.
• 52:59
  Yeah, it's quite clear.
• 53:00
  And I think that's a big... A manager, when a young player comes into football and they're like, why aren't I getting a chance?
• 53:06
  Well, the manager gives you 10 minutes.
• 53:08
  And if you impress him with 20, the next time he gives you 20.
• 53:11
  And then if you just shiver 20, he gives you half an hour.
• 53:13
  And then before you know it, he'll give you a full second half, and then you start.
• 53:16
  And I think it's in them starts where he goes, I trust you enough now.
• 53:19
  You're not going to mess up.
• 53:19
  You're not going to do this.
• 53:20
  And he's at the stage where I trust you, go and play a whole game.
• 53:23
  But that's when does your role change as a player?
• 53:26
  And then you get the benefit of the doubt for having a bad pass or a bad this.
• 53:30
  And then you get not excused, but the manager, it takes a long time to earn.
• 53:35
  Does it?
• 53:36
  But then once you've got it...
• 53:38
  You get given, not leeway, but you're allowed to make a few mistakes because you've got this body of work behind you.
• 53:46
  So kind of moving to Thursday, Hayden Hackney came in and I thought he did a lot well, played forward well, scored his goal, gave a couple of cheap passes away and a couple of cheap free kicks.
• 53:57
  He's brave, isn't he?
• 53:58
  But I still like what I'm seeing and I still like the potential of where he can go and yet...
• 54:03
  Moise was quite critical of him after the game.
• 54:06
  Was he?
• 54:06
  Yeah, he said, they were like, oh, please, he said something like, still got a lot to learn.
• 54:11
  He still needs to do this better.
• 54:13
  I need him to do this better.
• 54:14
  But he trusts him because he's putting him on.
• 54:16
  Putting him on because he's signed him from Middlesbrough and he knows he's got this certain, I'll call it, body of work behind him in terms of
• 54:24
  I know what you can do, but for me, you now need to learn this and that.
• 54:29
  Don't lose the ball in these positions, and don't try and do your skills in or off, do it in there.
• 54:34
  Basically, all the little details, and Moisey, the lad scored and got an assist, and typical Moisey used to do it to me plenty all the time, and go, how well did he play?
• 54:46
  And he went, yeah, I've still got loads to learn.
• 54:49
  you know when he just gone through to the quarter part of the club golden and assist couldn't even get a pat on the back is he is he having a little whispering in your ear in private saying you've done brilliant there did he have us do that to you
• 55:02
  Can you remember the time?
• 55:03
  You got me thinking.
• 55:08
  Maybe once or twice, but the majority, I mean, I must have said this at some point before.
• 55:12
  It was a tough task.
• 55:13
  I can't remember it, but it was definitely a Goodison.
• 55:17
  And I might have scored and got an assist or played really well.
• 55:20
  And I got mad at the mat and all the lads were like, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
• 55:24
  What a game.
• 55:25
  Did I ever score two at Goodison?
• 55:28
  I think I did.
• 55:28
  But anyway, Moisey came, and after the game, I went, missed a big chance there, didn't you?
• 55:35
  That's ruthless, that.
• 55:36
  Missed a big chance there today.
• 55:39
  He's like, you should have had the hat trick, and I was like, I did.
• 55:43
  He was like, well, something to work on.
• 55:45
  And I was like, all right.
• 55:47
  That's brilliant, that.
• 55:48
  Brilliant.
• 55:49
  Oh, what a guy.
• 55:51
  Depending on the character you are, it makes you realise that there's still a lot to work on.
• 55:56
  Do you ever remember him?
• 55:57
  See, I just think he's such a brilliant... Do you remember him putting his arm around any of you or any other players when you were looking?
• 56:03
  Not what I saw him do with Keenan last night.
• 56:05
  That was brilliant, by the way, to see that big hug and embrace and the feeling that he's got within the squad.
• 56:12
  I don't remember that.
• 56:13
  No.
• 56:14
  I'm still walking around like this every time I see him.
• 56:18
  So it shows he's evolving as a manager.
• 56:19
  So you've never seen him do that with your ads?
• 56:22
  You probably are too with this new generation.
• 56:24
  No, that's what I'm saying.
• 56:25
  He's evolving as a manager.
• 56:26
  He's showing that.
• 56:27
  Certainly not on a regular basis.
• 56:30
  I don't remember him.
• 56:30
  Because I hear dickheads in the crowd.
• 56:33
  I don't remember it.
• 56:33
  I'm in the crowd last night and you put dickheads on.
• 56:36
  You're dying to throw.
• 56:37
  Get him off.
• 56:37
  And I'm going, listen, lad.
• 56:39
  You're winning.
• 56:40
  And I'm looking at fans and going, what are you shouting things like that?
• 56:42
  We're winning.
• 56:43
  And what are you going?
• 56:44
  And then a couple of fans stopped me and said to me, hey, you can't be building a statue if he wins a trophy.
• 56:48
  And I went, listen, mate.
• 56:49
  And they were giving me bad stick.
• 56:51
  And they went, why are you like that?
• 56:52
  And I said, listen, lads, I'm not being funny.
• 56:54
  If he wins a trophy, lad.
• 56:57
  Name the ground after him.
• 56:59
  You don't understand what I've done to my kids.
• 57:01
  It's been 32 years, you Muppets.
• 57:04
  And we're all laughing and joking and love it.
• 57:05
  But I just think he epitomises Everton Football Club.
• 57:10
  And what Ozzy's saying there, it proves that I'm right what I'm saying.
• 57:14
  He's saying, yeah, he doesn't remember him.
• 57:17
  Seating players like that and giving someone a big hug.
• 57:19
  It shows he's evolving and it shows he's not in the behind time because years ago he'd be screaming and shouting and stuff like that.
• 57:27
  He's changing and that shows he's still a student of the game.
• 57:30
  He's not one of these managers or he's not one of these fellows who goes, stuck in my ways.
• 57:34
  Like, you know, there's managers out there who go, this is the way I'm doing it.
• 57:37
  I'm not changing.
• 57:38
  It's me or you.
• 57:39
  And that's how I felt like that.
• 57:40
  Ruben Ammonen was like that.
• 57:41
  And that's just for a stupid fan from the outside looking in.
• 57:44
  He's doing really well now.
• 57:45
  No, he is.
• 57:45
  But if someone comes in and goes, listen, I played three at the back, you conform to what I say.
• 57:50
  Yeah.
• 57:50
  My words, I don't believe any manager should be like that because no one man, and I can only say this on my sport, no one person knows it all.
• 57:58
  There's not a single coach who knows everything.
• 58:00
  Every coach adds a little something different.
• 58:02
  And that's just life.
• 58:03
  And I think for David Moyes,
• 58:05
  he is changing.
• 58:06
  He has changed his ways of managing or he has changed his philosophy or whatever because, and what else he's just said to you, it shows you that he has.
• 58:13
  Because if he's walking on there and in 15 years or 10, 12 years of managing us, he'd never seen once give up on the last hook and be so happy.
• 58:23
  Do you know what he does need or someone needs to give him for him to it?
• 58:26
  A brush.
• 58:27
  Have you seen his hair on the side of the pitch?
• 58:29
  Have you seen his hair?
• 58:32
  Like, he just looks like he's just been a windswept every time he comes off the bench.
• 58:37
  It just popped in me.
• 58:38
  Do you know what?
• 58:39
  As I said, I just think as fans, sometimes we are harsh and critical.
• 58:44
  But like I said last night...
• 58:46
  I just thought they were brilliant.
• 58:47
  Like when Oz, do you know when some of them were saying it, make some change, make some change.
• 58:52
  If you're a player, he's proper still giddy from last night.
• 58:54
  You know when you go away and you see a great, and we're all feeling it, but when you're in Statham, he's bouncing today.
• 58:59
  He's not amazing all the way.
• 59:00
  He's bouncing today.
• 59:01
  I bet all the Evertonians that, you've got to understand.
• 59:03
  I certainly went the game feel like it, but all of us feel like it.
• 59:06
  But you're home.
• 59:06
  You're bouncing.
• 59:07
  Half two this morning, and I bounced in here.
• 59:10
  The freshest you've ever looked.
• 59:11
  I tend to mind.
• 59:11
  The freshest of days, you just know what Evan can do to me l
• 59:14
  This is what football does to you.
• 59:15
  But you'd have been miserable as hell if we lost it.
• 59:18
  Oh, yeah.
• 59:18
  Wouldn't have come in.
• 59:19
  No, I wouldn't have gone out of bed.
• 59:21
  Honestly, I wouldn't have gone out of bed.
• 59:22
  But when you just think about it like that, it's what football can do to you.
• 59:27
  This is what football does.
• 59:28
  I do want to ask on the Murray's thing, where you're saying he's changing how he deals with players, I think it's probably important to bring up.
• 59:34
  How do you think he's dealing with the Jack Grealish situation?
• 59:36
  Oh, that's a tough one.
• 59:39
  Best he can.
• 59:40
  Because...
• 59:43
  Everybody wants players to be available.
• 59:45
  Everyone wants players to follow the rules.
• 59:50
  We're not entirely publicly privy to what's... What's actually happened.
• 59:55
  What's actually happened.
• 59:56
  There are rumours, which I'm not prepared to say either way because there are rumours at the minute.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah.
• 1:00:03
  and the club aren't releasing what said rumours are meant to be.
• 1:00:09
  But he seems like he's messed up.
• 1:00:11
  And if he has messed up, then the club have to act like he's messed up.
• 1:00:16
  They can't, regardless of any reasons, they can't, there has to be, the club have to react in that way.
• 1:00:24
  And at the minute, the simplest thing is for him not to be in the squad, right?
• 1:00:29
  So I think the club's seen at this moment without anything being confirmed, like they're acting responsibly probably or correctly.
• 1:00:39
  Being very kind, in my opinion.
• 1:00:41
  Being very kind.
• 1:00:42
  He's got to come out.
• 1:00:43
  He's got to come out.
• 1:00:44
  He's got to come out.
• 1:00:45
  Okay, I don't know what he's done.
• 1:00:47
  I don't know the ins and outs.
• 1:00:49
  You hear whispers and you hear the stories, which I'm not going to start giving it anyway.
• 1:00:52
  Come out, lad, and say something.
• 1:00:54
  come out and say something to the fans that's on him because let me say David Moyes hasn't thrown him under the bus and he quite easily could have his manager could have thrown him under the bus and let's be honest
• 1:01:10
  I don't know the ins and outs, I don't know what's happened, but as a fan base, we're all missing him, and we all absolutely adore Jack Grealish, but you've got to come out, lad, and say, listen, I've messed up.
• 1:01:20
  I hope he knows that, that we do love him and we want to see him back on the pitch.
• 1:01:25
  Of course we all love him, and I hope he does know that, and if he hears this and listens to it, Everton fans adore you, lad.
• 1:01:31
  You are one of us.
• 1:01:32
  We adore you, but...
• 1:01:34
  you've got to come out and say, listen, I've messed up or I've made a mistake or whatever.
• 1:01:37
  Or you might think you were right or wrong.
• 1:01:39
  Ultimately, we don't know.
• 1:01:40
  You want the information to know how to react.
• 1:01:43
  But the club aren't throwing them under the bus.
• 1:01:44
  That's big, isn't it?
• 1:01:45
  It's not a manager.
• 1:01:47
  So relating this back onto the pitch,
• 1:01:51
  it's bad timing from him to go through this, for whatever's happening, regardless of the truth.
• 1:02:01
  It's bad timing for him because he'd got himself into the first team and now he's opened the door for Tariq George to get back in and show exactly what he was at the start of the season.
• 1:02:11
  He doesn't walk back into the start of the season.
• 1:02:13
  Exactly, Tariq started the season pretty well.
• 1:02:15
  Jack came, got in the team, we all felt it was a bit harsh on Tariq George.
• 1:02:21
  The window door has now opened, and Tariq George has jumped through it again.
• 1:02:25
  So on the pitch, brilliant from him, because that's what you've got to do in football.
• 1:02:30
  When chances come your way, you've got to show I'm ready, I'm there, I'm capable.
• 1:02:33
  Poor timing for this to have happened to Jack on the pitch terms, because he's now, as you said, we're not sitting here going, we need him back, he's got to jump into the team, because actually...
• 1:02:45
  Other people have stepped up and made performances.
• 1:02:49
  And we're not thrown on the bus.
• 1:02:51
  And like I said, Everton fans love you, lad.
• 1:02:52
  But as for you as a player, have you seen this happen before?
• 1:02:55
  So what we do know is he's missed a training session.
• 1:02:57
  That's what's come out, hasn't it?
• 1:02:58
  You've missed a training session.
• 1:02:59
  You haven't turned up for whatever reason.
• 1:03:01
  Hopefully he addresses it and comes out and goes, this is the situation.
• 1:03:03
  I'm sorry.
• 1:03:04
  Won't happen again.
• 1:03:05
  And we move on.
• 1:03:07
  we can all forgive that.
• 1:03:08
  Scousers, whatever, and fans, like I told you.
• 1:03:10
  People make mistakes as long as you don't mind.
• 1:03:12
  No one's perfect.
• 1:03:14
  The word perfect shouldn't even exist.
• 1:03:15
  I don't even know who created that word, but it doesn't exist in any walk of life, in any job, in anything.
• 1:03:20
  The word perfect does not exist.
• 1:03:21
  Nobody's perfect, nothing's perfect.
• 1:03:24
  Have you seen players do it in your career?
• 1:03:26
  Have you seen a player miss training?
• 1:03:28
  Because the manager, I think, and the actual club have handled this brilliantly.
• 1:03:33
  They've protected them.
• 1:03:35
  Yeah, I'd say so.
• 1:03:36
  They've protected them because they could have quite easily come out here and gone, this is what he's done, that's what he's done.
• 1:03:41
  We're not having this, go on.
• 1:03:43
  And they haven't.
• 1:03:44
  So everyone's looking out for them.
• 1:03:45
  Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  Have you seen a player, has this happened before?
• 1:03:48
  I'm sure I have.
• 1:03:49
  I have.
• 1:03:49
  you must have when you look back think about who's mistraining at Anne do you want me to go through every day no but go on it must have happened it must have happened someone's mistraining and you know they've missed it for the wrong reasons because it's not like he's mistraining he's got the flu obviously we're all not stupid here he's mistraining I'm not trying to over that I'm just trying Oz have you known a player who's mistraining because of a certainty let's just say have you seen a player mistraining because of a night out
• 1:04:19
  or a piss-up?
• 1:04:20
  Have you ever seen that?
• 1:04:21
  Well, allegedly.
• 1:04:23
  Have you?
• 1:04:24
  He doesn't want to throw anyone under the bus.
• 1:04:25
  No.
• 1:04:27
  Have you seen that happen?
• 1:04:28
  I don't know.
• 1:04:29
  Royce do.
• 1:04:29
  And if Stey's main, it pops to mind.
• 1:04:31
  What happened to him?
• 1:04:33
  Then you're out of the squad.
• 1:04:34
  I know.
• 1:04:35
  The first time he got protected, didn't he?
• 1:04:37
  Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  I think, if I'm remembering correctly, he missed out on the FA Cup 7-500.
• 1:04:42
  He did over the back of it, didn't he?
• 1:04:44
  Yeah, he did.
• 1:04:45
  But that was right.
• 1:04:45
  Despite of his...
• 1:04:48
  If you remember correctly, that wasn't his first time.
• 1:04:50
  That was his second time.
• 1:04:51
  And he got thrown under the bus the second time.
• 1:04:53
  Yeah.
• 1:04:53
  The first time he didn't, the first time he got protected.
• 1:04:55
  Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  Yeah, and again, if people fall fouls of clubs, like some people say, well, you've got special cases for top players.
• 1:05:05
  You shouldn't.
• 1:05:05
  You should never have special cases.
• 1:05:07
  The elastic band gets a little bit looser, shall we say, or stretchier, but it should never snap.
• 1:05:13
  The rules should never be broken to the point you can protect people.
• 1:05:18
  But again, until it officially comes out, I don't know whether I'm angry or upset or feel sorry for him.
• 1:05:25
  I don't know where I... Yeah, you can't really comment.
• 1:05:27
  And you've also got to be delicate because you don't actually know the true story.
• 1:05:29
  I'm being delicate because you don't know exactly what's happened.
• 1:05:32
  Despite us hearing rumours, I don't know exactly what's happened.
• 1:05:36
  So I find it hard to... You're touching on the Rooster and Gentleman.
• 1:05:38
  You've experienced it.
• 1:05:39
  Have to respond...
• 1:05:41
  in every single way, whether they are angry or helping him or being disciplined or that, they seem to be doing right.
• 1:05:49
  The club and the manager have done brilliance.
• 1:05:52
  The club officials, the higher key of the club, they're handling it brilliance.
• 1:05:56
  Like I said, for me personally, as a fan, players got to come out and say something, but for you as a player when Royston done it, like I said, there was a couple of occasions.
• 1:06:04
  So the first one, he hasn't been to one, and no one found out after the first one.
• 1:06:08
  But the second one... Because everyone can make a mistake.
• 1:06:10
  Yeah, but the second one, it's too much in it.
• 1:06:13
  If you're repeating mistakes at this level, in this job, then, yeah.
• 1:06:20
  Over the years, how many players have you seen do that and get away with it?
• 1:06:22
  I can't remember, so it took me ages just to remember that.
• 1:06:24
  We used to have done it.
• 1:06:26
  Fucking hell.
• 1:06:27
  You think you're punchy, I'm punchy, me, you know.
• 1:06:32
  But I just think, like I said, I just think, do you know what?
• 1:06:37
  It's quite clear the club and the manager have protected Jack.
• 1:06:41
  And I always think, right, culpability.
• 1:06:44
  Don't ever look at anyone else.
• 1:06:46
  Don't blame anyone.
• 1:06:47
  Look at yourself in the mirror.
• 1:06:48
  Come out, be a big man and go, listen, fucked up here.
• 1:06:51
  yeah i'm sorry and we'll accept we'll accept of course we will you know and i don't want to go down saying don't use certain things together just come out and own it and and everyone will look at you in a far better light and just go look at that lad you know what you're spot on because none of us are perfect but i've missed i've missed work days i used to work in next i remember falling up and not going in i was scheduled going after boxing day i knew full well i weren't going in because i've been on the heirloom boxing day yeah i knew full well
• 1:07:18
  I'm just going to do what it is.
• 1:07:19
  I'm only.
• 1:07:20
  Forget it.
• 1:07:21
  I don't know what I can do.
• 1:07:22
  And if everyone out there, well, 99% of people out there, especially the fellas, will have all gone fair play, lad.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah, I wouldn't have went if I drank the amount you drank on Boxing Day as well.
• 1:07:31
  And then the other 1% is probably me wife and me beer going, should I have been in work?
• 1:07:37
  So we can all be late.
• 1:07:40
  And I don't know the situation, what's going on with Jack or whatever.
• 1:07:42
  I'm just trying to look at it from a...
• 1:07:45
  From an outsider looking in.
• 1:07:47
  Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  He's a human at the end of the day.
• 1:07:50
  100%.
• 1:07:50
  No one's perfect, lad.
• 1:07:52
  And everyone's got shit going on.
• 1:07:54
  But I just think that's the next step for this because this is getting harped on about.
• 1:07:58
  And I think it's so sad that... Do you know when other footballers do it?
• 1:08:02
  They get absolutely torn apart and the media are all over them.
• 1:08:06
  Because the club have protected them and because the manager's protecting them, this hasn't really got as much into the media as it would with the other players if you just get one from them.
• 1:08:15
  Yeah, but ideally...
• 1:08:17
  I mean, you're saying for Jack to come out, ideally, you would want this to sort of... Go away.
• 1:08:23
  Yeah, just kind of be forgotten about and then him come back and the club deal in that way.
• 1:08:28
  We don't want it blowing up into a big circus because he's such a high-profile player that...
• 1:08:35
  But Ozzy's missed how many games and it already has blown him up because he's a player we've signed, and he's playing for us.
• 1:08:42
  He's a precocious... Ozzy's a world-class footballer.
• 1:08:46
  And on the paper...
• 1:08:47
  On paper, and I said to the stars of the season, Keane and Jude Bure and Tyree Georgia Massa for us this season.
• 1:08:52
  I put my neck on the block and it's working out all right.
• 1:08:54
  But on paper... You want a pat on the back?
• 1:08:56
  Yeah, nice one.
• 1:08:58
  Very much, I deserve that, people.
• 1:09:00
  But ultimately, right, he, on paper, and with his accolades, he's the best player in the team.
• 1:09:06
  It's helped that we won the last two games.
• 1:09:08
  I'm not saying... Yeah, it helps.
• 1:09:10
  You know, and someone's got to say that.
• 1:09:13
  Lad, you're the most influential player.
• 1:09:15
  On paper, you're the best player.
• 1:09:17
  And on paper, you know when everyone walks in, you know them younger players, Keenan Jews, they're looking up to Jack because he's won the lot.
• 1:09:25
  He's done everything, us.
• 1:09:27
  And we need you.
• 1:09:28
  And I know he doesn't want to be the example and I know he doesn't want to, he hasn't asked to be where he is.
• 1:09:33
  But ultimately, lad, you are.
• 1:09:34
  And we need you because we look up, these younger lads, Arison Armstrong, Tyreek George,
• 1:09:39
  these young boys male and role this is a man who's won the law they look up to you regardless whether you want to be looked up to or not and we need them to how how would you feel then because again i i don't know what's going to come out if this is more than and i'm going to bring you back to your mustache at the start of the show not much but the the mental issues what if this is more than that what if this is
• 1:10:04
  a mental issue?
• 1:10:04
  What if this becomes something where Jack actually needs help?
• 1:10:09
  I'm hoping he's getting it because you've had that long out now that I'm hoping that this is what it is.
• 1:10:13
  It's getting addressed.
• 1:10:15
  And a part of me thinks that might be what the solution is.
• 1:10:19
  He's been given some way to reflect and think about what's going on.
• 1:10:22
  And I do absolutely... Everton Football Club will be right on it from that perspective because Everton, as a football club,
• 1:10:30
  will be looking at things like that because Everton Football Club is a family club and they will be thinking about what, like I said before, the manager and the club have handled this brilliantly for Jack Grealish's mental health because that's what's being put paramount here.
• 1:10:45
  And the reason why I say that is because if Jack Grealish's mental health wasn't paramount, they'd have thrown him under the bus.
• 1:10:53
  They either come out and said, you've done this, this or this, because that's why it's all gone nuts and the noise is gone.
• 1:10:57
  There's a kindness and discipline sometimes, isn't there?
• 1:11:00
  Absolutely.
• 1:11:01
  And that's why I say it's on him to go, you know what, lads?
• 1:11:04
  I'm sorry.
• 1:11:05
  I've come out here and fucked up.
• 1:11:07
  I think even just the way he comes back and shows his persona on the pitch, like if he comes over and he's clapping the fans and then performs really well, that's an apology in itself and we can just crack on.
• 1:11:16
  You see...
• 1:11:18
  He knows how much we love him.
• 1:11:20
  And by the way, that feeling is he adores Everton.
• 1:11:22
  And I also think if he does need time, going back to your point, that he should just be given time.
• 1:11:26
  I think mental health is that priority.
• 1:11:29
  And if he has messed up because of stuff going on in the background... And I am all for it.
• 1:11:35
  And certainly, but then you've got the club's point of view if...
• 1:11:39
  So now you're talking about, let's just say, this player needs six weeks to get over it.
• 1:11:45
  He's our highest paid player.
• 1:11:46
  I know, but sometimes a mental injury can be worse than a physical injury.
• 1:11:50
  But do you get full paid wages for having six weeks off to sort yourself out?
• 1:11:55
  By the way, I'm not answering that.
• 1:11:57
  I'm just putting the question out.
• 1:11:58
  No, you're right.
• 1:11:59
  You're spot on.
• 1:12:00
  You're now saying, well, you're our highest paid player and you're unavailable.
• 1:12:03
  I think you do, personally.
• 1:12:04
  No, I do.
• 1:12:05
  I agree.
• 1:12:07
  From a fan's perspective, purely, I don't care about the money.
• 1:12:11
  I don't care.
• 1:12:11
  I care about where you're going.
• 1:12:13
  Make sure he's right.
• 1:12:13
  I care about your life.
• 1:12:14
  Do you know what I actually care about you is, how are you dealing with life after football?
• 1:12:19
  It's similar to life.
• 1:12:19
  I'm not made to Tyson Fury, but I genuinely worry about Tyson Fury and his mental health.
• 1:12:24
  I'm not as close as mate.
• 1:12:25
  I know him.
• 1:12:25
  I get on great with him.
• 1:12:26
  I think the world is a lovely fella.
• 1:12:29
  But I genuinely worry about people, and that might be the soft side of me or whatever, but if anyone is out there struggling like that, you've got to speak, you've got to talk, because a problem's shared, there's a problem halved.
• 1:12:39
  And as big industries and as big companies like Everton Football Club, and that's what, listen, we are fans, it's tribal to us, it's what we are, it's Everton, but to these big companies, they've got to be seen to be doing that and helping.
• 1:12:54
  And that's a big thing now, because...
• 1:12:56
  Mental health is just as important as physical fitness.
• 1:13:00
  And it's got to be addressed and it's got to be spoken about.
• 1:13:02
  So, like I said, I think as a club, they couldn't have handled it any better.
• 1:13:06
  I think they've been very good.
• 1:13:08
  There's none of these stupid league stories.
• 1:13:10
  The media don't press Jack Grealish like the presser Bakayo Saka.
• 1:13:16
  Or the media don't press Jacky.
• 1:13:18
  It's like they press...
• 1:13:20
  I'm trying to think.
• 1:13:21
  Some of the players they press over the years.
• 1:13:23
  Like they press the Paul Gascoigne.
• 1:13:25
  They don't press him like that.
• 1:13:26
  So, you know what I mean?
• 1:13:27
  We're very fortunate.
• 1:13:28
  But at the same time, it does now have to come to a point where you've got to be looked at and you go, if you need help, lad, come on, you've got to talk.
• 1:13:37
  You've got to speak to somebody.
• 1:13:38
  And we've now got to figure it out of what's best for Everton Football Club.
• 1:13:43
  And him.
• 1:13:45
  So figure it out, work it out and address it.
• 1:13:47
  Yeah, I guess we'll have to wait until more information comes out.
• 1:13:50
  But ultimately it doesn't match because Evan are winning.
• 1:13:52
  So the Blue Boys are flying and like I said, we're going into a big one.
• 1:13:58
  It's Friday night.
• 1:14:00
  Let's end on this prediction.
• 1:14:02
  Well, not thankfully for this.
• 1:14:03
  You're so positive today.
• 1:14:04
  I've never heard of it.
• 1:14:05
  It's a very rare seat, honestly.
• 1:14:07
  You usually come in and you're a bit, not flat, but you're...
• 1:14:10
  You're talking and Everett might not have won at the weekend and you're trying to battle your way through.
• 1:14:16
  You are literally floating in that chair today, aren't you?
• 1:14:19
  Life's good.
• 1:14:19
  Honest to God, I'm thinking about going to play golf as well now.
• 1:14:22
  I don't ruin your day.
• 1:14:23
  It might work out well.
• 1:14:25
  I might hit below 80 again.
• 1:14:26
  I might hit below 90 again.
• 1:14:28
  Sorry, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:14:28
  I'm even talking about hitting below 80.
• 1:14:30
  That's just impossible.
• 1:14:31
  That's that dream stuff.
• 1:14:32
  But you know what?
• 1:14:34
  I'm just Friday now.
• 1:14:35
  I'm proper.
• 1:14:36
  This is one of the best weeks I've had in years.
• 1:14:38
  Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  What do we reckon that's goal?
• 1:14:42
  I think we make changes.
• 1:14:44
  What's the changes you make?
• 1:14:47
  I put Merlin Roll right back.
• 1:14:50
  And I put Diblin on the right.
• 1:14:53
  You were spot on, by the way, when you said that in the cup.
• 1:14:56
  he was spot on if you remember his words he said put Tyler Dibble when we went away from home he was spot on that was the game when he had at home in the comments with you but then you kind of shut yourself in the foot because when you said he's going to play at home well I did yeah and he did and knowing he did he did but why don't we play him away where there's less pressure
• 1:15:16
  because it's still the environment.
• 1:15:19
  I know Newcastle didn't help themselves, but the environment, and you have to not give the ball away in certain moments.
• 1:15:24
  You have to be trustworthy.
• 1:15:25
  You have to not let them get attacks, which Lewis Haller mentioned before, that Merlin Roll stopped anything he did, which they start getting him up and flying at their place.
• 1:15:35
  Then they get momentum.
• 1:15:36
  Plus, what Merlin Roll does, when they did push him up, the space that he's into there, it's a race that he can actually take us on to attack.
• 1:15:46
  But I bring him back in for the game against Coventry.
• 1:15:50
  Do you think it's fair to drop Jake Holberheim?
• 1:15:53
  Fair, no.
• 1:15:54
  Do you think it's fair to drop anyone from that team last night?
• 1:15:57
  Fair, no.
• 1:15:58
  But this is a season thing where, what's the saying?
• 1:16:01
  Horses for courses.
• 1:16:02
  So if you've picked a team that is suitable to go to Newcastle and get results, that team might not be the perfect team to play a different team at home.
• 1:16:11
  And I've always said this.
• 1:16:12
  What's Coventry's stance?
• 1:16:14
  Um...
• 1:16:15
  They've played some good football through the middle.
• 1:16:19
  They've got a striker and a midfielder that have been scoring goals.
• 1:16:24
  But their three goals against Sunderland all came from Sunderland mistakes.
• 1:16:28
  They all came from poor positioning or bad reaction.
• 1:16:33
  So I would expect Touchwood, us to be able to defend properly because that's one of our things.
• 1:16:38
  We are one of the best well-filled teams.
• 1:16:40
  Decent defensively, don't do mistakes.
• 1:16:42
  And if we play like we did for the most part in the middle, I think we'll be fine.
• 1:16:46
  But you want your players like...
• 1:16:49
  Tyler to be able to go and scare their fullback to death.
• 1:16:53
  And then you want Merlin Roll coming from deep that can play fullback and give you more of a fullback's sort of attitude, delivery, rather than a centre-half playing right back who does a great job at certain moments.
• 1:17:06
  And maybe boys will be, not fortunate, but maybe things will fall his way that when Brantway came off the other night, he's not fit.
• 1:17:16
  And suddenly he doesn't have to make a decision.
• 1:17:17
  O'Brien comes centre-half again with Tarkovsky and Merlin Roll goes right back.
• 1:17:22
  You don't have a decision, mate.
• 1:17:23
  Maybe.
• 1:17:24
  The way we chased last night and ramped teams down, I mean, we were fantastic.
• 1:17:28
  And I like, OK, from Aussie making great points, didn't I get it?
• 1:17:32
  I mean, from a fan's perspective, I just think it ain't broke, don't fix it.
• 1:17:36
  I just throw them back out you just don't know them but it ain't gone you're back on yeah I don't disagree that's to be fair but I don't know I get what and he knows more than I do so look we all have opinions that's what makes this game I know but if we see Tyler Dibblin on I understand now because you've explained to me why but I just think to myself
• 1:17:52
  I think you could give Tyler a go against Coventry, actually.
• 1:17:55
  I'd be playing him home.
• 1:17:55
  Coventry at home?
• 1:17:56
  Yeah, it's a good game for him.
• 1:17:59
  Go and show them why you were considered.
• 1:18:01
  Another little night fixture.
• 1:18:02
  Go on for it Friday night.
• 1:18:03
  Go get after them.
• 1:18:03
  It's a big game.
• 1:18:05
  Get after them.
• 1:18:05
  Big, big game.
• 1:18:07
  Big, big, huge game.
• 1:18:09
  This...
• 1:18:10
  this is a massive one.
• 1:18:12
  You beat these and it's no longer...
• 1:18:14
  If you win this game, it's no longer a great start.
• 1:18:17
  You're not talking about the start now anymore.
• 1:18:19
  It's not like this is... You're in it.
• 1:18:20
  You're in it now.
• 1:18:21
  You're in it.
• 1:18:22
  Because you win this game, you go and get a point somewhere else and whatever, imagine in European places.
• 1:18:26
  We're getting towards Christmas now, lads.
• 1:18:28
  Six weeks to go.
• 1:18:29
  Six weeks to go for Christmas fixes.
• 1:18:31
  Let's get through Bonfire Night first.
• 1:18:32
  No, I know, but you're one of them, are you?
• 1:18:35
  Christmas deckies out.
• 1:18:36
  Halloween's been put away.
• 1:18:37
  Christmas deckies are out.
• 1:18:38
  You look at it, right?
• 1:18:39
  You win this game, you're in international break.
• 1:18:42
  Before you know it, we're coming back 23rd of November, I think we're coming back after this game.
• 1:18:46
  Is it?
• 1:18:46
  Yeah.
• 1:18:47
  That's Christmas.
• 1:18:48
  Yeah, at 14 times.
• 1:18:48
  That's not Christmas.
• 1:18:49
  No, it is.
• 1:18:50
  That's not Christmas.
• 1:18:52
  Listen, mate, 23rd of November.
• 1:18:53
  Christmas is on the 25th of December.
• 1:18:55
  No, I know it is, but you're getting towards Christmas.
• 1:18:57
  Okay, let's play it.
• 1:18:58
  When's Easter start?
• 1:18:59
  The 1st of January.
• 1:19:00
  Fuck off.
• 1:19:01
  You don't want to mean.
• 1:19:02
  Okay, you get to the end of November.
• 1:19:03
  Is that not Christmas now?
• 1:19:05
  End of November, December.
• 1:19:06
  As a player, are you just going, lads?
• 1:19:08
  Fucking Christmas is coming here.
• 1:19:10
  Yeah, because I'm trying to find where we Christmas night out come from.
• 1:19:14
  How can we bring a night out of, you know?
• 1:19:18
  I'm trying to think, as fans anyway, I'm thinking, you win this game, we get an international break, you're going into the buzz and flying.
• 1:19:27
  Yeah, it's massive.
• 1:19:28
  And then you hit a step.
• 1:19:29
  Christmas is the halfway stage, that's the season.
• 1:19:32
  You get to Christmas and you're sixth or seventh.
• 1:19:35
  Mate, you're ahead of the trend.
• 1:19:36
  You're ahead of the, what's it called, the curve?
• 1:19:38
  If we get to Christmas and even January in...
• 1:19:42
  I'd even go as far as the top half, but definitely sixth or seventh with one striker.
• 1:19:48
  Us haven't got there with one striker.
• 1:19:49
  This is what I'm getting to.
• 1:19:50
  With the opportunity to maybe, you hope, strengthen.
• 1:19:55
  Keep going, us.
• 1:19:56
  Back him up in those areas.
• 1:19:57
  Keep going, us.
• 1:19:58
  Then we can look at kicking on.
• 1:19:59
  I mean, that's all one a year.
• 1:20:01
  Yeah, definitely.
• 1:20:02
  But...
• 1:20:03
  You know, Christmas doesn't start in November.
• 1:20:05
  No, Oss, come on, don't fire, come on.
• 1:20:07
  Oss, come on, just keep going.
• 1:20:08
  There's a lot of games between now and then, even after the international break.
• 1:20:11
  No, but... And we've got some tough ones, because... What's the score for the United Oss?
• 1:20:16
  I'm going to say 3-1.
• 1:20:21
  Yeah, I'm going to go 4-1.
• 1:20:22
  Heaven.
• 1:20:23
  I'm going to go 4-0.
• 1:20:24
  All right.
• 1:20:27
  Four, possibly five.
• 1:20:28
  I think someone's getting out on Friday night.
• 1:20:30
  I'm so confident.
• 1:20:31
  5-0.
• 1:20:33
  5-0.
• 1:20:33
  I've never seen him this past season.
• 1:20:35
  This is great, this.
• 1:20:35
  5-0.
• 1:20:36
  I was thinking 3-0.
• 1:20:37
  I've given them a one.
• 1:20:38
  3-1.
• 1:20:38
  No, no, they're not getting a goal.
• 1:20:39
  5-0, Everton.
• 1:20:40
  When we play Newcastle away next year, I'll come with you.
• 1:20:42
  Targi's been brilliant.
• 1:20:43
  3-0, yeah, maybe.
• 1:20:43
  The lads at the back have been brilliant.
• 1:20:45
  Michael's been brilliant.
• 1:20:46
  Like I said,
• 1:20:47
  Them lads at the back have been fantastic.
• 1:20:49
  Jared Brantwick was fantastic last night.
• 1:20:51
  Thrown his head at everything.
• 1:20:52
  Absolutely everything.
• 1:20:53
  Thrown it.
• 1:20:54
  So I'm telling you now, mate, we're going to give... Come to get back in the box.
• 1:20:58
  I hope so.
• 1:20:59
  Give them a good eye.
• 1:21:00
  Show them where they belong.
• 1:21:02
  No, don't start us off.
• 1:21:03
  And I'm sorry, Frank, but that's it.
• 1:21:05
  You're getting it.
• 1:21:06
  Everton football, you've got it.
• 1:21:07
  Frank's back, isn't he, yeah?
• 1:21:09
  Frankie Lampard.
• 1:21:11
  I hope he has a horrid time.
• 1:21:14
  What a guy.
• 1:21:15
  I hope he has as much success back at Everton as he did at Everton the first time.
• 1:21:20
  I'm going to have a low blow that was.
• 1:21:23
  It was.
• 1:21:23
  It was.
• 1:21:23
  I apologise because he got us out.
• 1:21:26
  Well done.
• 1:21:26
  Save us.
• 1:21:28
  And I like that as well.
• 1:21:29
  Up the toffees.
• 1:21:29
  Bring on Friday.