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Tatis Returns · The 3-0 Take

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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Tape, where we talk
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  all things Major League Baseball.
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  Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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  It. All starts right now.
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  Welcome back to the Three O Tech presented by Sea Geek.
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  This is episode 465. I'll be your host, Kyle Corwin.
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  I'm here with my Co host Nate Reyes.
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  Nate. Always bringing that fire on
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  Wednesday, on Wednesday. Shout out everybody joining us
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  live, hanging out in the chat with us.
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  I mean, that's a big deal. Shout out live.
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  If you're not live, you better not be fist pumping.
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  Yeah, you can only be fist pumping if you're live.
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  Shout out to those in the live. Shout out to those that will
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  join the live as the episode proceeds.
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  How you doing man? It's just hot, dude.
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  Like I'm really ready. I'm really ready to just dive
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  in. Things aren't computing in my
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  head. When you're in Arizona and it's
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  still one O 8. When it's still one O 8, you're
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  like, I don't understand. I just did a fantasy football
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  draft. We finally got through the dog
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  days of the baseball season and I my ass is still sweaty and
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  you're just like. That's not where you want to be.
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  That's not where you want to be like you.
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  I'm ready for hoodies. I'm ready for pants.
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  I'm ready for sweats. The last two days not to rub a
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  dead last two days here have been 77 so we're we're well on
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  our way it's. Just a cool 30° difference.
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  That's insane. I'm just ready.
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  I'm so excited. So Sunday it's going to be 73.
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  We're creeping, we're creeping into hoodie weather.
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  It's the best season of the year.
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  We're we're coming up on the best month of the year.
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  And not just cause yours truly's birthday kind of kicks things
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  off October 2nd, in case anybody's keeping track at home.
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  But did you really consider that the best month of the year?
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  I think so man, September is like a nice.
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  Tease. We're just we're counting all
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  things outside of baseball, too. Well, baseball plays a huge
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  factor in it. I mean, you have the postseason,
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  obviously it is it is my birthday month.
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  As I mentioned, September is really the the teaser of fall.
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  Some days are feel like fall, but other days, like you said,
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  we're we're dealing with the the the heart of summer still it
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  seems. But October, once you're in
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  October, you I think you're pretty much in the clear.
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  So we're looking at the best month of the year, in my
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  opinion, October, We're knocking on the door.
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  I mean, it's fair, I get that. I would argue May.
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  I think May is May's pretty cool.
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  No, May sucks. There's too many allergies, too
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  many allergies in May. I can't, I can't.
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  I can't deal with the allergies in May.
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  It's those are not my friend and I I refuse to put up with him if
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  if given the choice. Whatever, dude, whatever.
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  But talking about time of year, it is September.
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  And look, I'll be honest with you, Nate and I, we're just
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  we're just literally seconds. I was going to say minutes,
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  seconds before we started the episode talking about how we're
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  in like the residual of of August, if that makes sense.
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  Like as baseball fans, we're looking you, you would think,
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  and we, you and I were building this up all summer.
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  Like, oh, we just got to make it September.
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  Then things are really going to start kicking into gear.
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  We're still kind of feeling the like after effects of August.
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  We're not quite into like, OK, now we go into full postseason
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  hunt mode yet. Where's that?
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  Where's that? Come in, You know what I mean.
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  September. 20th. Give me, yeah, give me a date.
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  I mean, like, what is your, what is as a baseball fan, what is
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  your, what is the date in the month, assuming it's in
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  September? What, Like what is your date
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  where you're like, all right, we're locked in.
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  We're in playoff mode or we're in postseason mode.
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  Now we go like what it? What date is that for you?
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  It's so hard. Like when we grew up because
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  like we, we, we grew up, the post season is only in October.
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  Now it's like normal to be in November.
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  So like kind of pushes everything back and you're like,
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  I don't know, like I'm going to say like, except like the last
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  two weeks of September. So, I mean, looking at this
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  year's calendar, we're talking, yeah, or you're talking, I
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  should say, like the 16th. So I got a little less than two
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  weeks. So I mean, who knows?
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  Hopefully some things start to pick up here and I, I will say
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  there are some, there are some storylines that are brewing,
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  some of which we've already touched on, some of which we'll
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  touch on today and some of which we'll touch on in the
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  foreseeable future. But I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm needing
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  that that day to come where we're where there's like a
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  crisp, there's a crispness to the air.
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  I need a Christmas crispness. Crispness.
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  I need a rice Crispness to the air to where we go.
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  Today's the day and you'll just know you know it'll be like
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  you'll you'll catch like a breeze come by your ear.
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  It'll whisper to go, hey, today's the day we lock in for
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  postseason baseball. And you just know this is.
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  Going to be the first postseason we haven't linked up in a while.
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  That's not true. Linked up in postseason last
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  year. Last year didn't do it the year
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  before. We didn't do 2022.
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  No, 2021 was AL wild card game. 2022, What did we do?
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  We did something. We did a trip in 2022.
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  What did we do? I'm blanking.
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  WBC was 2023. Did we not do any something in
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  2022? I don't remember.
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  We didn't do playoffs though, I know that much because last year
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  was the ALDS in Baltimore. So yeah, we're alternating at
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  this rate, I guess. We are we are All Star game next
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  year. All Star game next year, but
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  Speaking of those storylines I mentioned that are are are
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  starting to brew. Let's get into that.
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  Let's right off the top here. Let's talk the return of
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  Fernando Tatis Junior Fernando. Fernando El.
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  Nino I I can't help but here. Dave Bryan, Dave O'Brien, Don
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  Orsillo. There you go, Fernando.
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  Remember that? Remember that video I was
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  talking about? I'm sure you've seen it.
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  It's like they dubbed over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Super casual catch. It's like.
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  A Like the little line? Yeah, like a little humpback
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  liner. A.
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  Little bleeder Fernando, I can't help but here.
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  Old, old Donnie baseball, Fernando Tatis reinstated from
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  the 6th day IL providing some, I don't want to say reinforcements
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  because I mean, he's he's he's a big part of the team.
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  It's not like he's some depth piece, but he is certainly
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  bringing he he's certainly bringing a punch to a team that
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  has already been there. They've been playing well.
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  They've been punching. They've been they've already
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  been punching. So he's just bringing an extra
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  punch. But the the Padres entering
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  Wednesday 79 and 61, five and a half games back three up in the
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  wild card. They're six and four in their
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  last ten. They won two straight and they
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  have a + 70 run differential, not to mention an additional
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  reinforcement, if you will, you Darvish is making his first
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  start in over three months tonight.
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  And All in all, this is just a this is a a this is just great
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  news for Padres fans. And you could even make the
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  argument that it creates a little bit of a log jam
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  defensively or maybe not defensively, but just generally
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  speaking, because you have to think they've been getting,
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  they've been getting some production out of David Peralta,
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  believe Hassan Kim is close to being back.
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  Like 99% sure that's the case. Cronin worse, been playing like
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  OK, Xander's been playing like a little bit better as of late.
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  I mean, then the outfield has just been the outfield.
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  Like you've had pro far, pro far.
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  Things. So like you're going to have to
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  be, you're going to have to be manipulating the, the the line
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  up a little bit, give some guys some days off, which may be
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  beneficial at this point of the year because it's a.
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  Good problem to have. We're coming up on, we're coming
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  up on the it's. A good problem to have.
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  The playoff stretch here so make sure these guys are well rested.
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  But what do you what? What would you say this this
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  reinstatement from the 6th day IO of Fernando Tatis does for
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  the Padres? It's a big boost, dude.
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  It's a big boost. Like even if we remove our, I
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  won't, I won't say bias, but our opinion around over the last few
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  years between suspension and injuries.
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  Like in reality, he is still a rare breed.
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  Like Fernando Tatis is still a superstar playmaker.
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  Gold Glover, by the way. Like, I think we need to throw
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  some respect on the fact that he went from shortstop out to right
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  field and he immediately won a Gold Glove.
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  No, Maybe platinum. Yeah, I was going to say, we've
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  talked about that. We brought this up before.
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  It was platinum. Like that's different.
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  I don't think people understand. Like that's nuts.
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  So I think anything that you get out of him offensively, I mean,
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  I'm not going to say is like a bonus, but at this point, like
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  he's just a he's a he's an impact.
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  He's an impact. And no matter what he's going to
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  do, he's going to impact the game.
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  If he doesn't have power tonight, he's going to get on
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  base. If he's getting on base, he's
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  stealing bases. He's making plays in right
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  field, he's throwing guys out, he's taking extra 90 stealing
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  bags. Like there's some type of
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  impact. There's a ripple effect that
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  Tatis creates and I, I, I think based on a lot of teams as trade
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  deadline this year, there's nothing that they did at the
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  deadline that would be as beneficial as getting a guy back
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  at this time, You know what I mean?
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  What's the deal with the playoff thing though?
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  What's the deal with like the post season eligibility?
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  Oh no, he's fine. Like it's because.
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  He played enough before, right? No, no, no, that's all that.
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  I mean that's only transaction based.
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  That's not like amount of amount of games you play like if you're
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  on the if you're on the 40 man like you're.
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  You're on the 40 man. You're.
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  In the clear, Yeah, No, no, that was only that that question that
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  got brought up like a week or so ago.
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  That's only relevant to transactions.
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  Right, fair enough. I think the, I think the I, I
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  think the the division, I think the division is about done.
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  I think it was a cute story when the Padres and Diamondbacks were
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  like 2 1/2 out from the Dodgers. It's 5 1/2 and 6 now.
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  Can I interject? You disagree.
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  I disagree in that it was a cute story.
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  I've I legitimately think and view the Padres and the
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  Diamondbacks. At that point in time, I viewed
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  them as a legitimate threat to possibly sneak away with the
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  division. The Dodgers have been playing a
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  little bit better, but the Padres and D backs just haven't
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  really slowed down. It's just that the Dodgers have
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  gave themselves enough of a cushion to where, even with
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  skids here and there, and we've seen this elsewhere around the
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  league in in other divisional races or wild card races, even
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  where there was enough of a cushion to where they could hit
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  a little bit of a skid, They could drop a a couple series
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  here there and still be fine. I but I'm just saying, I think
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  the Padres again, Padres and the D backs, I viewed them at the
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  time as I, I was giving them a little bit more credit than just
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  them being a cute story, even with the injuries that that the
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  Dodgers were facing. It's just, it's just that they
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  maybe run out of steam in that, in that the.
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  Division was a cute story. No, but that's what I'm.
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  Saying them as a whole, I do think that this Padre team would
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  be a difficult match up in the postseason and I do think that
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  they can do some damage. No, and I agree with you on
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  that, but I, but I'm saying I'm, I'm, I'm talking about the
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  division like I viewed them as a, as a legitimate threat given
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  the aforementioned injury, injuries that the Dodgers are
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  dealing with and the fact that they're just playing very, very,
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  very good baseball, as were the D backs, even better than the
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  Padres. So. 5 1/2 back.
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  I'm not. No, no, no.
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  I'm not saying I'm. I'm not saying can.
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  We call it a cute story now. Well, I mean, if I, if I, if
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  like a a week and a half ago, I viewed them as a, as a
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  legitimate threat to possibly, maybe take the division.
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  I can't then a week and a half later go, yeah, it's just a cute
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  story. Like I just kind of have to
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  leave it be and just see how it shakes out.
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  But I I I can't flip the script that quickly or that
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  drastically. I'll do it for you.
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  I mean, go for it. I, I, I don't know.
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  I, I just, I, I, I think it goes back to what I said back in
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  March where I said, and I feel like I've repeated this time and
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  time again, but I said back in March that it's not going to be
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  a cakewalk for the Dodgers get into the World Series.
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  Like it's, that's anything but a guarantee.
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  And so many people were like, what are you talking about,
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  dude? Like, look how much money they
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  spend. And then you also had some
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  people on the flip side, they're like, yeah, no, it totally makes
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  sense. It rarely works out that way.
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  That the best team on paper, the team that spends the most money
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  just prances to the World Series.
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  So that, I mean, there were people in in both camps, but I
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  firmly believed and I I stuck by that, that it wasn't going to be
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  easy. So given that when the Padres
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  and D backs are kind of sneaking up, they're in the rear view
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  mirror, like the whole objects in mirror closer than they
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  appear kind of thing. I'm going this is this is right
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  in line with what I said back in March that like it's not going
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  to be easy for the Dodgers, But credit to them.
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  They've they've they've held their own and and held off these
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  other two teams in the division long enough, or at least at this
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  point. So I don't know, I don't know
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  how it shakes out, but I, I, I will not call their their stab
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  at the division that has seemingly dissipated a little
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  bit. I I won't call it a cute story.
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  That's the story. I'm calling it a cute story.
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  It was a cute story because it was.
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  It was. It lasted for a week and a half,
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  two weeks. That's all.
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  But it's 5 1/2 games like if a month, yeah.
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  OK, so let's say, OK, let's say they don't take the division.
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  Let's say they finish a game and a half back.
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  I mean, who isn't sweating in that scenario?
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  Like if if you're the Dodgers and you get to the end of the
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  season and you look back and you look, you look at the standings,
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  the the regular season's wrapped up and you look at the standings
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  and you were you only finished a game and a half up.
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  You you mean to tell me you're not you're not wiping your brow
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  after that going wow, we made it by the skin of our teeth.
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  Not that that's what they're they're not.
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  That's not like the end. Goal game and a half year
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  threshold. Like when?
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  That's just an example, but I'm saying like.
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  Where does the sweat start to roll?
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  I mean, if the die, if you finish the regular season up
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  only two, I'll call it two games. 2 1/2.
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  I'm like, OK, whatever, but two games, I'll, I'll say that if
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  it's if it's over two games, we can call it a cute story then.
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  But until then, if they can even close the gap to two games, I
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  refuse to call it a cute story. That's that's, that's my, that's
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  my, my, my wrap up there. Yeah, but I mean the Tatis and
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  and you edition, I'm curious to see what you Darvish is able to
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  do. I mean, let's face it, like you
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  can't necessarily get him ramped up to 100 pitches.
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  No, right away. They.
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  Don't need him to. I, I mean, I looked at the
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  numbers since the break. Well, I mean offensively since
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  the break, the third best team OPS at 777.
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  But regarding the the the pitching side of things with
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  you, they don't need him to be the vintage you because since
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  the break, they also are sporting the 6th best team ERA
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  since the break at 362. So they're they're handling both
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  sides of the ball just fine with with and that's that's without
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  either of these editions. So like post?
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  Season you though, like post season, you're going to need,
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  you're going to need a little something something.
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  Yeah. Well, you know what I mean.
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  Because like, I don't, I'm not at the point of trusting Joe
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  Musgrove. Like I, I can't, I can't trust
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  him. No, as much as I would like to,
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  I can't. I think Michael King has been
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  had a good year. I've I've gotten a witness event
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  as a as a Yankee. I think he's very solid.
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  But like I, I think there's a big gap between Dylan sees and a
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  strong #2. Yep, I would agree.
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  Specifically starting off a series in the postseason.
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  So that's all I'm saying about you.
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  And I don't know if he's going to get ramped up in time to be
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  that, which would he that mean that's what he would normally
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  be. You'd be surprised how
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  interesting we've seen some guys very like recently and even at
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  the very moment get ramped up somewhat quickly, at least
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  enough to where they can contribute meaningful innings in
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  games that matter. So I think.
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  You will. I think you still will.
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  Yeah. So let's let's keep it out West,
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  keep it with the Dodgers team We've just been talking about
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  Shohei has made his return to Anaheim.
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  And can I just go ahead and say that I think the reports were a
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  little off in saying that he received mostly cheers because I
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  went back and looked at the clip and a lot of booze.
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  I don't know. I, I mean, I, I can't give you
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  like a percentage ratio, but I to say mostly cheers.
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  That seems a little off. I I'd maybe go like, I'd maybe
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  go like 5545, which I guess technically is majority, but I
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  don't know. I I just think it.
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  Was are loud enough to hear? And that's what I'm saying and
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  not to mention. Cheers.
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  Yeah, the I, I when I was looking at the OR when I was
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  watching it, I'm seeing they they showed this one guy and he
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  looks over his buddy who's just like sitting there and he's
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  like, dude, stand up. Like what do you like stand up
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  and acknowledge like what's happening to the guy?
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  Like stands up. And then I'm looking around like
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  there's other Angels fan just sitting.
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  And I'm like, you don't have a kid.
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  You're not, you're not like handicapped, like stand up.
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  I'm. Going to throw some people under
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  the bus here because they're not going to hear this.
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  So whatever. Paige has a friend who's
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  actually her maid of honor, her boyfriend and her live out
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  there. You've been in LA, you've been
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  around that area. It's it's kind of the only
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  thing, right? Murray's Murray's Watching
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  Murray. 'S watching trend Dodgerfin.
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  Shred lightly. Trend.
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  Light. I'm talking Angel fans
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  specifically. I have my own thoughts on LA,
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  but I'm I'll convince myself. I think that the only other time
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  I've somewhat seen it, believe it or not, are Rockies fans.
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  There's this like social aspect to going to a game where you
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  don't even really like care that much.
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  You're just going to the game because it's like, it's like
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  you're with a group of friends and this is what you do on a
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  Friday night. That's kind of what I I've never
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  been to Anaheim, I've never been to LA, I've never been to an
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  Angels game. But based.
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  On That's not true. That's not true.
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  You've been to a Tempe El El Diablo or whatever it's called.
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  El Diablo, El El Diablo, Tempe. Where?
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  Where were we at? What was that place called?
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  I want you to keep trying. You can say Tempe, Tempe,
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  Diablo. That's Tempe.
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  What did I did? I say Tempe El Diablo?
• 21:34
  Yeah. I don't know what that means.
• 21:38
  Yeah. So you have been to an Angels
• 21:39
  game? I think that there is this,
• 21:44
  like, social aspect that Trump's the fandom, you know what I'm
• 21:51
  saying? Like, yeah, like one of those,
• 21:54
  like, I think if you were to walk around a Rockies game with
• 21:59
  a microphone and interview fans randomly and just be like, don't
• 22:04
  look at the scoreboard, can you name the line up?
• 22:08
  I don't think a lot of them could.
• 22:12
  And I think it's a very similar situation with the Angels.
• 22:16
  Not that this is an excuse by any means.
• 22:21
  I think the Angels organization is kind of a train wreck in a
• 22:25
  lot of different ways, but I think that there's a lot of
• 22:30
  people there that just went. The reason I brought up Paige's
• 22:35
  maid of honor is because her boyfriend's the same way.
• 22:36
  He's like, I don't know, we're just going to a game like that's
• 22:38
  we're just going to have fun and then we're going out after.
• 22:41
  But do you think given their what, where are they at in terms
• 22:46
  of worst human baseball right now?
• 22:49
  I mean, I know they're like, they're well down there 57 wins.
• 22:53
  Marlins are worse, White Sox are worse, and the Rockies are the
• 22:58
  worst. So they're what is that fourth
• 23:00
  worst team? Fourth worst team in baseball.
• 23:02
  So like, I bring that up because I'm, I'm, I'm wondering at this
• 23:07
  stage of the game, though, to me it seems a little bit different
• 23:11
  than than Dodger Stadium, where you're just going to have your
• 23:15
  your die hard Dodger fans. Not to say there's not die hard
• 23:17
  Angels fans, but like how many of these people that are at the
• 23:20
  ballpark do you think are there just to be there?
• 23:25
  Like if you're if if you've sat through this season as an Angels
• 23:30
  fan and that's what. I'm saying, man, this is what
• 23:32
  I'm saying. It's just like something to do.
• 23:33
  It's just like something to do. And like, tickets are cheap and
• 23:35
  like, let's go. Like, why not?
• 23:37
  Like, what do you feel like doing tonight?
• 23:39
  I don't know, just go to a game, you know?
• 23:44
  Now, one could also argue is that how many of those cheers
• 23:49
  were from Dodger fans when you talk about the ratio?
• 23:53
  Yeah, they, they travelled real well travelled.
• 23:58
  I mean, they, they showed up, they showed out very well.
• 24:02
  I, I, I noticed that immediately when they started panning.
• 24:05
  I'm like, that's a lot of blue. So as far as Angels fans go, I
• 24:09
  don't know. I just, I think think they're
• 24:11
  pretty checked out as a fan base.
• 24:14
  I don't know how I feel about the was that photoshopped the
• 24:23
  scoreboard thing that says he used to work here?
• 24:25
  No, apparently that was real. That's kind of funny, honestly.
• 24:29
  I mean, that's, no, that's a that's a plus move.
• 24:31
  I'll, I'll give him credit for that because I mean, what do you
• 24:34
  got to lose at this point? And like, it's, it's just a guy
• 24:36
  like sure, he's just a, a good dude.
• 24:38
  He was a good, a good ambassador for your organization and you
• 24:41
  just decided to let him walk out the door, which, whatever, it's
• 24:45
  fine. But the, my, my whole thing with
• 24:48
  the people that, with the Angels fans that booed him, it's like.
• 24:53
  The weird though. Who do you think you're booing?
• 24:56
  Like, do you think you're booing a guy that wanted to be like,
• 25:01
  spiteful and vindictive with his free agency move in a way that
• 25:07
  would hurt you as much as he possibly could?
• 25:10
  Or do you think we're dealing with a guy who looked at the
• 25:14
  state of the organization and realized like, oh, this isn't
• 25:18
  really going anywhere and I need to look out for, for me, my
• 25:24
  family, my future. And it's obvious that I'm going
• 25:28
  to get the largest contract in baseball That like, that's not,
• 25:32
  that's not like a greed thing. That's just how this business
• 25:35
  works. And am I going to say no to
• 25:37
  that? No.
• 25:38
  So let's look around the league. Let's see who's willing to offer
• 25:42
  that. And let's see which one is the
• 25:44
  best fit. And yeah, it sucks.
• 25:46
  He, he, he goes right across town.
• 25:48
  But like, are you really gonna Boo him for not sticking around
• 25:51
  with this dumpster fire of an organization like you?
• 25:55
  You don't have to look very far to see somebody that's already
• 25:58
  done that in a, in a very similar situation, in a, in a
• 26:01
  very similar stature in Mike Trout.
• 26:03
  Where it's like saying this is what I'm talking about the
• 26:05
  casual fans. The casual fans have somewhat of
• 26:08
  a blind spot to their organization and specifically
• 26:11
  speaking to guys like us that will call our organization out
• 26:14
  when we see something that's just somewhat egregious or, or
• 26:19
  that we disagree with in a way, you know, And I think there's
• 26:23
  the casual fans that like aren't as in depth or as knowledgeable
• 26:28
  that are going to call these teams out.
• 26:30
  So they're less likely to Boo their own, you know,
• 26:33
  organization than the guy that left.
• 26:37
  I don't know, I'm I'm going to go, I'm going to go hot take
• 26:40
  care. I kind of hate, I kind of hate
• 26:42
  the tribute thing. I'm I'm all done with the
• 26:45
  tribute thing unless the guy's like on his final year of
• 26:50
  playing. Yeah, I'm all done that.
• 26:53
  That always feels kind of weird. Like let's face it, if Ohtani
• 26:57
  finishes his career out as a Dodger, which he likely will,
• 27:01
  and goes into Hall of Fame, which he likely will, I'm going
• 27:04
  to go out and bet he's going to have a Dodger hat on.
• 27:07
  And you're the angels that did a weird montage.
• 27:14
  That, by the way, it wasn't shown at the stadium.
• 27:16
  It was only shown on social media, which was another weird
• 27:19
  thing. Like it was reported ahead of
• 27:21
  the game or ahead of this series that nothing was going to be
• 27:25
  done for him in terms of like acknowledging it, which I guess
• 27:29
  is like kind of OK, but you also did do something, but you only
• 27:32
  showed it on social media. But it's kind of a weird.
• 27:34
  We've fallen in love with it in sports and I'm I'm all, I'm, I'm
• 27:37
  all done. Like it used to be a guy's
• 27:40
  retiring, it's his final tour last year kind of thing.
• 27:45
  Little tip of the cap kind. Of now, it's like anywhere
• 27:48
  someone goes that if they, I, I, I understand if you won a
• 27:52
  championship in your sport, I understand a little bit of that.
• 27:57
  But yeah, it's weird. Like football never does that.
• 28:00
  You never see anything like that in football.
• 28:02
  Basketball is over the top with it.
• 28:06
  The other thing too that I've always wondered is like, what's
• 28:07
  the threshold like? Who?
• 28:09
  Who? If a guy is on a team for X
• 28:12
  amount of seasons, comes back or, or gets traded or or
• 28:16
  whatever, and then comes back, like what, what's the threshold?
• 28:22
  Like what's, what do you have to do?
• 28:24
  Or like what, what status of player do you have to be?
• 28:27
  Or what would you have had to have done in your time there to
• 28:29
  warn it? Because not if that was like,
• 28:31
  if, if everybody that left and came back.
• 28:33
  And I'm not saying show, Hey, it's just some other guy that's
• 28:36
  that's separate. I'm just this is more just
• 28:38
  talking about the tribute videos, Like if, if any time a
• 28:42
  guy left and came back to a team he played for, if that happened,
• 28:46
  if you did a tribute every time that happened, it would just be
• 28:49
  nothing but tribute videos every time we went to a baseball game.
• 28:52
  So like. Over it?
• 28:53
  What class? Over it what?
• 28:55
  What qualifies as as the threshold for?
• 28:57
  That if the fan base decides to give this guy standing O and the
• 29:02
  umpire has, you know, like a, you know, like a an idea that
• 29:07
  it's happening and he goes and brushes off the plate, you know,
• 29:11
  helmet comes off and tips like if if it's up to the fan base,
• 29:17
  that's cool, but like having some kind of video montage thing
• 29:24
  with music playing. It's weird.
• 29:26
  It's weird. Unless you won a championship
• 29:28
  there. I think that's my threshold
• 29:32
  outside of that, like you left because it's a business.
• 29:37
  We're not going to honor you and cherish you after you're gone
• 29:41
  and dominating with our rival. I don't, I don't know, even the
• 29:46
  ring thing, like I'm, I'm just thinking through like a scenario
• 29:49
  because like like you're like, I'm just trying to imagine
• 29:54
  you're like lefty specialist who tosses in like the 6th inning
• 30:01
  following a starter that's not able to see the line up a third
• 30:05
  time, who had like maybe 35 appearances in a season, but he
• 30:09
  won a ring. It's like, are we giving him a
• 30:11
  tribute to that guy? I don't know.
• 30:13
  I'm not like, I don't know the answer because I'm sure it's
• 30:16
  happened. I, I don't know, I'm just
• 30:17
  playing devil's advocate. It's just, I just think through.
• 30:19
  I'm over it. I'm over it because it's
• 30:21
  overused at this point. And like, you know what?
• 30:24
  I've I've kind of talked myself into it.
• 30:25
  Good for the angels. Good for the angels for putting
• 30:27
  your foot down. I love the troll of used to work
• 30:30
  here. Like, didn't you?
• 30:31
  Start, didn't you start this segment by saying like it's kind
• 30:34
  of weird that like they didn't do that.
• 30:36
  Isn't that what you said or did you say?
• 30:38
  It felt weird. It felt weird but that all they
• 30:41
  did was used to work here. Yeah.
• 30:44
  I feel like if you throw like career stats up as an Angel,
• 30:47
  like I think that would have been acceptable, like that's he
• 30:50
  was an impactful player for your organization.
• 30:52
  And but it when it's all said and done again, when the guy is
• 30:56
  being inducted into the Hall of Fame, chances are he's wearing
• 30:59
  Dodger blue. Chances are if there is a
• 31:01
  statue, it's going to be outside of Dodger Stadium, not Anaheim
• 31:05
  Angels. If it Los Angeles, Angeles,
• 31:07
  California. I mean, you could make the and
• 31:10
  last thing I'll say, yeah. I mean, you could make the case
• 31:12
  that like if he if he ends up going 5050 this year, wins an
• 31:17
  MVP and then even if you didn't even didn't do anything for the
• 31:22
  next like three to Four Seasons, just was like a league average.
• 31:25
  I He's probably still going in as a Dodger.
• 31:28
  I agree. Just in this hypothetical
• 31:29
  situation because like that, I mean, that's a that's a year in
• 31:32
  and of itself MVP 5050 club and who who knows what they go on to
• 31:38
  end up doing in the postseason this year.
• 31:40
  But anyway, time will tell. Speaking of the postseason, I
• 31:48
  don't have a sound for it. The Tigers.
• 31:50
  I was looking, I was looking for a little transition sound.
• 31:54
  That's all I got. Tigers are not dead.
• 31:58
  We talked last episode about the Cubs not being dead, but hold
• 32:01
  up, pump the brakes. Detroit would like to be
• 32:04
  included in that conversation. They are not dead.
• 32:07
  We are looking at the third best record in the American League
• 32:11
  since the All Star break entering Wednesday at a mark of
• 32:14
  23 and 19 on the year. They're a game over 500 at 70
• 32:19
  and 69. And they're only four and a half
• 32:21
  back in the wild card. They're seven and three in their
• 32:24
  last ten. And here's the kicker.
• 32:27
  Here's the kicker. Who are they?
• 32:29
  Who are they chasing down in the division?
• 32:33
  Well, not you. You get what I'm saying in the
• 32:35
  in the in the in the postseason picture, who also is in their
• 32:38
  division is what I was saying. Bobby Witt and the Funky Bunch
• 32:42
  Kensiti. Bobby Witt and the boys.
• 32:45
  Here's the kicker, the Tig. Looking at the rest of the
• 32:48
  schedule, The Tigers play the Royals three more times, and
• 32:51
  then they have nine games against the A's, Rockies and
• 32:55
  White Sox. The Royals, who have lost seven
• 32:58
  straight, by the way, entering Wednesday, they play the Twins,
• 33:03
  who are ahead of them in the division, the Yankees, the
• 33:07
  Braves. Say what you all about The
• 33:08
  Braves, it's still a somewhat challenging match up.
• 33:12
  And then the Guardians. So you'd tell me what's
• 33:18
  possible, what's within the realm of possibility for the
• 33:20
  Tigers, Because I'm looking at that.
• 33:22
  I'm looking at the way they've been playing.
• 33:23
  And I've especially been looking at the way the Royals been
• 33:26
  playing. And I'm going it's possible
• 33:32
  because honestly, because honestly, the way the Red Sox
• 33:35
  are playing right now, and I hate to say it, but it's just
• 33:37
  reality. Red Sox may not be much of A
• 33:40
  threat in this race. Anyway, they're both let me
• 33:44
  check here. Let me let me confirm the
• 33:48
  they're. Both 4 1/2 back.
• 33:49
  Yes, they're both 4 1/2 back 3. And seven in the last 10.
• 33:52
  No, the Tigers are are, Oh, you're saying the Royals?
• 33:56
  Royals. Yeah, Royals and Red Sox three
• 33:58
  and seven in the last 10. But my point about the Red Sox
• 34:02
  is they're they and the Tigers are both 4 1/2 back.
• 34:06
  But we're talking about a tale of two different stories here.
• 34:09
  The Red Sox 4 1/2 back looks a heck of a lot different than the
• 34:13
  Tigers 4 1/2 back, just solely based on the way that both teams
• 34:17
  have been playing as of late and entered the month of September.
• 34:19
  Because the Red Sox look like one of the worst teams in
• 34:22
  baseball right now. They can't win a series, it
• 34:25
  seems. And the Tigers are just kind of
• 34:30
  hanging around. And I would even go a step
• 34:34
  further to say they're they're playing pretty good ball right
• 34:37
  now. So you maybe we just in this
• 34:41
  scenario, we just maybe for the sake of conversation, eliminate
• 34:46
  the Red Sox as a threat here. You're really just chasing down
• 34:49
  the Royals at that point. If you can fend off the
• 34:51
  Mariners, you're just you're just chasing down the old
• 34:56
  divisional foe in the Royals and you're only four and a half
• 34:59
  back. And like I said, they.
• 35:00
  Do have a match up? Still, they they have, they have
• 35:03
  a three-game series coming up and then, like I said, the 8.
• 35:06
  Around that deadline. They have 9.
• 35:09
  The Tigers have nine games against the A's, Rockies and
• 35:12
  White Sox. So.
• 35:13
  The Tigers end. Yeah, the Tigers end their final
• 35:16
  six games, Ray's and White Sox. I mean, those are those are up
• 35:20
  for grabs. And going back to what's
• 35:24
  happened since the break, Tigers have the third best team team
• 35:28
  ERA in baseball since that break at at a clip of 326.
• 35:33
  And not to mention a guy that I think us and maybe a lot of
• 35:38
  other people wrote off at least for the rest of this year, just
• 35:41
  production wise. Spencer Torkelson, since getting
• 35:44
  recalled on August 17th, has four homers and an OPS of 920.
• 35:48
  So safe to say, you know what, he's found it.
• 35:53
  Big, big pat on the back to the Detroit Tigers for doing that.
• 35:57
  Big pat on the back for recognizing an issue,
• 36:03
  understanding that it may not be the.
• 36:07
  I mean, this is a tough pill to swallow.
• 36:10
  Your first round pick needs to go down and cook a little
• 36:12
  longer. That's not easy.
• 36:17
  And you see so many teams across the league that are so reluctant
• 36:20
  to even bench guys like that, to even sit them down, much less go
• 36:27
  down for a few weeks and figure things out.
• 36:30
  I like I'm that's how baseball has been for years, for decades.
• 36:36
  And all the sudden we're just like, we're so worried about how
• 36:40
  this markets to the fan base or how this effects jersey sales or
• 36:45
  how this effects, you know, seats getting filled.
• 36:48
  It's like it's finally being done in a positive way.
• 36:53
  Like, I'm real. It's just a job well done all
• 36:56
  the way around. Tigers did what needed to be
• 36:58
  done. Torkelson is back, figured
• 37:01
  things out. Like, that's how it's supposed
• 37:04
  to go. If a guy struggles, send him
• 37:06
  down. I love it.
• 37:10
  Good for Torkelson. I I need to have that's the only
• 37:27
  breaking news sound that I've I've got so far I need to come
• 37:29
  up with. Probably a new one, Probably a
• 37:31
  new. One, no, it's not a new one.
• 37:33
  That's like, that's like when that's good breaking news.
• 37:36
  This isn't good breaking news. Well, depends if you're a Mets
• 37:38
  fan. We were just talking about the
• 37:41
  the AL wild card race. A little update here.
• 37:44
  The Sox are on the Red Red Sox. It is are on the verge of
• 37:47
  getting swept by the New York Mets.
• 37:49
  It is currently for nothing in the middle of the second.
• 37:51
  So good stuff, good stuff. Red Sox garbage this team.
• 37:59
  Either put an alarm out for this.
• 38:01
  This team, well, when the Mets, the team that we all know how I
• 38:06
  feel about goes up for nothing in the final game of a series
• 38:11
  which is headed for a sweep to put you for that much further
• 38:16
  back in the wild card race in a in a wild card race we were just
• 38:20
  talking about. I feel like it warranted an
• 38:22
  update. So I gave you that dead call me
• 38:26
  back. I'm not going to say it.
• 38:30
  I'm not going to say it just yet.
• 38:32
  Say it. I tell you what I tell.
• 38:37
  Oh, I tell you what. We play the White Sox this
• 38:41
  weekend. If we lose.
• 38:45
  If we lose a game. Yeah, Listen to me right now.
• 38:49
  What do I get? What happens?
• 38:51
  What do I get? If we lose a game, if the Red
• 38:54
  Sox lose a game to the White Sox this weekend, it's over.
• 38:59
  They're dead. They're dead.
• 39:03
  I need a bigger punishment than this.
• 39:06
  What's the punishment? Like me, you witnessing me
• 39:09
  writing off the Red Sox is plenty of punishment enough.
• 39:12
  What are we talking about? We still got our bet to to
• 39:15
  settle here soon. I don't even want to talk about.
• 39:17
  I don't want to talk about that. Super excited about.
• 39:20
  I don't want to talk about that. I do, however, want to talk
• 39:23
  about the Oakland A's. Talk about a team that's playing
• 39:26
  better than the Red Sox. Again, looking at looking at
• 39:32
  record since the break, talking about how the Tigers have the
• 39:35
  third best in the AL since the break.
• 39:37
  The Oakland A's have the second best record in the AL since the
• 39:39
  break, 24 and 17 on the year. In case you kind of lost
• 39:44
  straight, you've been so hyper focused on how bad the White Sox
• 39:47
  have been as the as the worst team in baseball.
• 39:51
  The the the reigning champ of that title, if you will, the
• 39:55
  Oakland A's on the year 61 and 78.
• 39:58
  They're 14 1/2 games back in the division.
• 40:02
  And 13 1/2 back in the wild card, which I'll be honest with
• 40:05
  you like it's it's not good. That's respectable.
• 40:08
  It's middle of the pack. It's not terrible.
• 40:11
  I mean, the White Sox. What?
• 40:14
  It's not middle of the pack, but.
• 40:16
  Yeah, no, yeah. Let's let's walk that back.
• 40:18
  And me just saying that's not terrible.
• 40:20
  Let's walk that back too. It is.
• 40:21
  It is terrible. But comparatively, let's let's
• 40:27
  just let's have this conversation through the lens of
• 40:29
  how it compares the White Sox. I'm pretty sure the White Sox
• 40:33
  were 14 1/2 games back in the division by the end of like May,
• 40:38
  middle of May, probably. So comparatively, like they're
• 40:44
  doing all right, the Oakland A's doing all right.
• 40:48
  On a more serious note, they've. Won 30 more games than the White
• 40:52
  Sox. That's what I'm saying talking
• 40:58
  about team ERA, team OPS. I was, I was in this real like
• 41:01
  team ERA team OPS mode today. So forgive me if forgive me if
• 41:05
  I've I've mentioned that for like every team in the league
• 41:07
  today. That's OK.
• 41:08
  But I was curious because I went back to the break.
• 41:11
  That seems to be kind of when when the narrative I I would
• 41:15
  feel like shifted for the A's little bit.
• 41:17
  People are looking around going, whoa, yeah, I was included.
• 41:19
  Like hold on. Like the A's actually aren't
• 41:21
  kind of that bad. Yeah, But since the break, 9th
• 41:25
  best team ERA in baseball 385 and the 10th best team OPS in
• 41:31
  baseball since the break at 7:48.
• 41:33
  I'll be honest with you, I would have pegged if you would have
• 41:35
  given me a guess, I would have pegged the team OPS to be a
• 41:39
  little higher than the team ERA. But I think I think you can
• 41:43
  credit a little bit of the ERA effort to and certainly there's
• 41:48
  more metrics to look at, but Osvaldo Vito has been throwing
• 41:52
  it very well as of late. His last five, just looking at
• 41:57
  his last five starts, his last one was a little bit of a
• 42:02
  stinker. Went five and a third against
• 42:04
  the Mariners, gave up four runs. But prior to that, the the four
• 42:08
  starts he had before that had only given up three combined
• 42:10
  runs had held the the Jays scoreless over across or through
• 42:16
  six. And then the Giants held them
• 42:21
  scoreless through 6 and then threw well against the Rays and
• 42:27
  the Reds. So I mean, he's been he's been a
• 42:29
  a a bright spot for the team as of late.
• 42:31
  And talk about bright spots. Lauren Lawrence Butler.
• 42:35
  I don't, I don't feel like we've, we've talked about
• 42:37
  enough, maybe even at all honestly to this point.
• 42:40
  Not at all. That's on us.
• 42:42
  Like that's, that's definitely an accountability thing.
• 42:45
  You're raining ale Player of the week, I believe, if I'm not
• 42:52
  mistaken, has recorded an extra base hits.
• 42:55
  According to Baseball Reference, has recorded an extra base hit
• 42:57
  in each of his last eight games, which is tied for the longest
• 43:00
  streak by any age player since at least 19.
• 43:04
  O1 would love. To know that name.
• 43:07
  Would love to know that name. Which And by the way, I think he
• 43:10
  has like 8 jacks in his last 11. Games.
• 43:13
  Well, he had three in that one. Game.
• 43:15
  Yeah, the three Homer game where?
• 43:16
  He yelled. Which was I was about that.
• 43:19
  I was hyped. Did you see that?
• 43:22
  Just like a lion's roar came out of them.
• 43:26
  I'm telling you man. They bang, dude, they bang.
• 43:29
  That offense like which I guess we should be saying that that
• 43:34
  staff because like I said, better ERA or better team ERA
• 43:38
  since the break than than OPS. So.
• 43:42
  I like, I like what they got going.
• 43:44
  And one take, I don't remember where it was.
• 43:50
  I think it was MOB Network, but they talked about when they go
• 43:53
  into Sacramento that the ball flies there.
• 43:58
  Apparently it's a tiny ballpark. It's like when the Blue Jays
• 44:01
  were in Buffalo. Sees what, like 7000 people?
• 44:05
  Yeah, 9000 people. So like they're going to put up
• 44:08
  some numbers, dude, it's going to be interesting.
• 44:11
  You're. Going to have to take it with a
• 44:12
  grain of salt. I don't know how much I I agree
• 44:15
  with you like it. I'm sure the numbers are going
• 44:16
  to be crazy, but I. Think you're going to have some
• 44:19
  guys that put up numbers. I don't think this is what
• 44:23
  they're doing. Overall, I don't think this is
• 44:26
  sustainable. No, no, for sure, for sure.
• 44:28
  I don't think you know they're going to be top ten in ERA and
• 44:33
  OPS moving forward. But well, I, I mean, the thing
• 44:36
  you I think you got to look at with that narrative of like, OK,
• 44:39
  is this going to be something that's more long term, something
• 44:42
  that has potential to be sustainable is how long they're
• 44:45
  they're there. Because as we know, the whole
• 44:46
  like Vegas thing is still kind of like, who knows?
• 44:51
  So like if they're there beyond the what are they supposed to be
• 44:56
  there three years? Sacramento 252627 Or is it just
• 45:02
  2526? I thought it was just 2526 but I
• 45:05
  could be wrong. Well, I mean, if they're there
• 45:07
  beyond whatever, whatever it ends up being two years, if
• 45:10
  they're there beyond that mark, then you could look at this and
• 45:13
  go, OK, like you have a chance to, to develop some guys to
• 45:17
  really pump some, some numbers here and use that to your
• 45:22
  advantage. I, I don't know what that
• 45:24
  translates to, but like, it's better than, it's better than
• 45:27
  what they've got going on now. Bobby, like 61 wins at the
• 45:32
  moment. We, we were just talking about a
• 45:35
  few weeks ago. How like, hey, you know what?
• 45:37
  That's pretty decent, decent for the Washington Nationals.
• 45:40
  They're at 62. We're pretty kind of bummed
• 45:44
  about what the Pirates have fallen back to after all the
• 45:47
  hype. They're at 65 wins.
• 45:50
  So like if you're hanging out in this crowd, this is I'm
• 45:55
  impressed, I'm impressed. I'll say it, I'll say it.
• 46:00
  I like Rooker, like Laday, I like Langelier's Butler is looks
• 46:07
  like he could he could be a real deal.
• 46:09
  Like you have some names that like could potentially be stat
• 46:14
  leaders, could potentially win player of the month next year.
• 46:19
  Like there's guys that are capable of doing that.
• 46:22
  Player of the Week under under Butler's belt, as I mentioned.
• 46:25
  So check that box. Whit Merrifield.
• 46:32
  Let's talk. Let's talk the drama that is
• 46:36
  Whit Merrifield. And watch again while you're
• 46:38
  talking. On Tuesday in the Braves game
• 46:42
  against the Rockies, was hit by a pit hit hit in the head by a
• 46:46
  pitch from Rockies relief pitcher Jeff Criswell, 94 to the
• 46:52
  Dome. Did not look good.
• 46:54
  I mean, those those kinds of things never look good.
• 46:56
  But was not happy. He got up kind of barking a
• 47:02
  little bit at Criswell. And I can understand, like I,
• 47:09
  I'm not going to sit there and, and, and condemn the guy for,
• 47:13
  for maybe being caught up in the heat of the moment a little bit,
• 47:16
  kind of barking back, being like, dude, look, are you
• 47:19
  serious right now? Like, come on, zoom out a little
• 47:22
  bit. Fast forward to the post game
• 47:25
  presser and he had some comments on on the the state of the game,
• 47:30
  the state of pitching today and just some general thoughts on
• 47:37
  the amount of hit by pitches that he both he and I think the
• 47:42
  league seem to encounter these days.
• 47:44
  He said the guys are throwing as hard as they can and they don't
• 47:48
  care where the ball goes. It's driving me nuts and I hate
• 47:51
  the game. I hate where the game is at
• 47:53
  right now with that, it's just ridiculous where the game is at
• 47:56
  right now or no. He he said that the, the way
• 48:00
  pitchers are throwing now, there's no remorse or regard for
• 48:04
  throwing up and end. Guys are throwing hard as they
• 48:07
  can and they don't care where the ball goes.
• 48:10
  He says BS, you can't hit a guy that which I this was
• 48:14
  interesting. This was interesting.
• 48:16
  He says BS, you can't hit, which I think he got jumbled up in his
• 48:20
  words, but he said you can't hit a guy anymore back.
• 48:22
  There's No Fear in that. Oh, if I hit this guy, then our
• 48:25
  guy is going to get hit. That's not the game anymore.
• 48:28
  Pitchers don't have to hit anymore, so they don't have to
• 48:30
  stand in the box. And from the article that I was,
• 48:36
  I was scurrying through. He's got, he's got a point in,
• 48:43
  in regards to the velocity. According to Baseball America,
• 48:47
  back in 2008, the average fastball was 91.9.
• 48:52
  Today or last year, I guess the last data they have available
• 48:56
  from a full season average fastball was a 94.2.
• 49:00
  So certainly a few ticks up and this is what I thought was
• 49:05
  interesting as well. Of the top 15 seasons in MLB
• 49:10
  history in terms of hitch hit by pitch rates track since 1884,
• 49:15
  seven of them have occurred in the last seven seasons, 2018 to
• 49:20
  2024. Which goes back to what we were
• 49:24
  talking about is how there's a a regressed focus or just utter
• 49:31
  disregard, I think for the art of pitching and it's become all
• 49:36
  about throwing. Show me the lie anywhere.
• 49:41
  I couldn't agree more of wit. Couldn't agree more dude.
• 49:47
  It's there's so many different names that are coming out and
• 49:53
  saying this like this isn't just like old head, like give it the
• 49:58
  times. No, this is like our game is is
• 50:03
  in certain aspects unbearable. And I don't disagree.
• 50:11
  I do think that get that, you know, the bat down shoulder turn
• 50:18
  instead of the the head down when you go head down, you know,
• 50:22
  like you're in trouble. Square that up on the back.
• 50:26
  You know, we're taught that at a young age.
• 50:27
  But I digress. I'm going to sit here and say
• 50:32
  that I agree with everything you said.
• 50:34
  I really do struggle to wrap my head around certain aspects of
• 50:41
  the game, man. And when you're talking about
• 50:43
  just like spin rate and movement and throwing it as hard as you
• 50:47
  can, the art of pitching has absolutely been lost.
• 50:53
  And this Greg Maddox documentary that is almost, I can't find it,
• 50:58
  by the way, impossible to find. Job well done there, MLB.
• 51:04
  But it comes out at the right time because, like, that is the
• 51:06
  definition of art of pitching. And there's got to be something
• 51:11
  that gets back to that. You could talk about it in all
• 51:15
  different aspects. We've we've talked about the
• 51:17
  number of injuries we've like there's, there's a correlation
• 51:20
  here. Talk about hit by pitches,
• 51:22
  injuries, strikeouts. Like we fall in love with
• 51:26
  certain things and then we just like over invest in it.
• 51:31
  And that's all the product is now.
• 51:34
  Then there's no other aspects to the game.
• 51:38
  It's made it unbearable in certain ways.
• 51:40
  So now you got to tweak other things instead of having coaches
• 51:46
  or or philosophies change with your organization.
• 51:52
  Now we're just changing rules to create more offense.
• 51:55
  When it's like, well, in reality, like you could probably
• 52:00
  have some guys just relax and it's hard.
• 52:02
  It's a hard thing to say. Like it's, you know, hey, don't,
• 52:05
  don't throw as hard as you can. Hey, don't swing as hard as you
• 52:08
  can. Like, where do you draw the
• 52:11
  line? I don't know, but the art of
• 52:13
  pitching is almost gone, and you could slide that into some other
• 52:19
  things. There's a ripple effect there,
• 52:21
  because the art of catching is pretty much gone, too.
• 52:26
  Yeah, I just, I, I just think the game is getting and yes,
• 52:31
  I'm, I'm talking about like the legislation of the game and, and
• 52:35
  the implementation of these new rules and, and, and pitch
• 52:39
  clocks. And, but I'm not necessarily
• 52:41
  talking about that. I'm, I'm talking more about the
• 52:42
  approach that I was mentioning in terms of how these programs,
• 52:49
  these coaches, these instructors really at all levels of the
• 52:54
  game. I feel like are the, the
• 52:59
  approach specifically to pitching as we're talking about
• 53:01
  is it's just being nerfed and you're eliminating nuance and
• 53:07
  you're eliminating the art that we're talking about to where, I
• 53:13
  don't know, call it like even just 10 years ago, pitching
• 53:18
  inside was still like an important element of pitching.
• 53:22
  Being able to establish the inner half as a pitcher and to
• 53:26
  establish that as your plate and not the hitter's plate.
• 53:30
  Like that is your plate as the pitcher.
• 53:32
  Being able to establish the inside the inner half was vital,
• 53:37
  but now it's less about like, well, let's just like spot up
• 53:42
  where where we can as best we can and just hope that we can we
• 53:47
  can blow it by the guy. There's no like, hey, let's
• 53:51
  approach the inner half as something that we can use later
• 53:54
  in the at bat to our advantage. If we establish the inner half,
• 53:57
  we back them up a little bit and then we can we can toss in some
• 54:02
  something slow on the outer half, get them lunging, get them
• 54:05
  reaching, and that's we we only at bat.
• 54:07
  No, it's just like, well, let's just let's just dot it up.
• 54:11
  Let's let's light up the gun and we can try to throw inside.
• 54:17
  We can set up inside, but if it doesn't end up inside, if it
• 54:20
  ends up over the plate, the heart of the plate, that's fine.
• 54:23
  We'll just try to we'll we'll try to buzz one O 1 by him next
• 54:26
  pitch or next to bat. It's like no, there.
• 54:29
  You have to the the the nuance and and the the the the paints
• 54:34
  and the artfulness have to remain in pitching.
• 54:38
  Otherwise you're just it's just a competition to see you can
• 54:40
  throw the hardest that's. It, I mean, I watched Andrew
• 54:43
  Heaney last night, who I'm pretty sure tops out at like
• 54:46
  9091 with his fastball. I watched him carve the Yankees
• 54:51
  up. When it's a lot of change ups
• 54:53
  and curve balls and you're spotting these and you're
• 54:55
  throwing them for strikes and you make them look like strikes,
• 54:58
  you're able to do that. Your 91 is going to look a lot
• 55:03
  harder than 91. But if all you're doing is
• 55:08
  rearing back and trying to throw 97 over and over again, hitters
• 55:12
  are good enough to recognize that.
• 55:15
  But if it's a Max effort to the point where now we're we've lost
• 55:19
  control. Now we're talking about a
• 55:22
  ridiculous amount of injuries. It's like, how about you learn
• 55:26
  how to pitch so when you can touch that 97, which you should
• 55:32
  be able to do every once in a while, it's going to mean that
• 55:36
  much more. If we're just shoving 97 at your
• 55:39
  face, 4550 * a game and you have no idea where it's going to go
• 55:45
  and you're just like banking on it doing that.
• 55:48
  I don't know, man. And like, we're in love with
• 55:51
  what Ben Joyce just did, throwing a pitch at 105.
• 55:54
  It's like, at what cost? Perceived velocity is a real
• 56:01
  thing. If you're not familiar with like
• 56:02
  what that is or how it how it benefits a pitcher, look into
• 56:06
  that. You'll you'll learn a lot and
• 56:08
  you'll realize that velocity isn't everything.
• 56:10
  Despite what you may hear from these like pitching grooves,
• 56:14
  it's not everything. And to use an extreme example,
• 56:19
  the fact that Rich Hill is currently pitching a Major
• 56:23
  League Baseball game, say what you will about like the value of
• 56:27
  it or like how effective it really it is, the fact that he's
• 56:30
  he's record fact he is recording Major League outs.
• 56:36
  He's recording outs as a pitcher at the age of 44 if I'm not
• 56:42
  mistaken, at the big league level.
• 56:45
  Bartolo Cologne. Jamie Moyer.
• 56:47
  And, and I understand that the same like the, the, the amount
• 56:50
  or the list, I should say is, is much shorter for guys like that.
• 56:53
  But it just goes to show you that like there are more ways to
• 56:57
  succeed at the big league level on the mound than just going up
• 57:01
  there and throwing it as hard as you can.
• 57:04
  That it's just that simple. It's, it doesn't, you don't have
• 57:07
  to get all technical with like the, the science and the data
• 57:11
  behind pitching. I I know that that's the
• 57:13
  temptation because the numbers are like right there.
• 57:16
  But if you just look at it simply and objectively, you can
• 57:20
  recognize that it it doesn't necessarily matter how hard you
• 57:26
  can throw if you are creative enough and savvy enough as a
• 57:29
  pitcher and intelligent enough to get out elsewhere.
• 57:35
  Yeah, that's weird. Let your defense do something.
• 57:40
  Crazy. Anyway, oh, did you say nuts
• 57:45
  speaking? Speaking of nuts, the White Sox,
• 57:54
  I mean, I know we've already talked a little bit about them.
• 57:56
  Oh, we talked. We talked about them a good bit
• 57:59
  in previous episodes and even a little bit on this episode.
• 58:02
  But let's let's talk about this play in Baltimore.
• 58:09
  I watched it live. It was so bad that you texted me
• 58:12
  and like very rarely like it. It takes a lot for for those of
• 58:16
  you that are wondering which you may not be, but in case you are,
• 58:19
  it takes a lot for Nate or I to text the other about like a play
• 58:23
  real time. Usually it's just like, oh, like
• 58:26
  we'll we'll catch up like in our little like pre pod chat that we
• 58:30
  have a couple times a week. Like well, oh, did you see that
• 58:32
  player? Whatever.
• 58:33
  Like no, he literally texted me seconds after it happened.
• 58:36
  I'm like oh boy, this should be good.
• 58:38
  And I pulled it up and I'm like, I'm surprised, but at the same
• 58:43
  time, this is just on brand. It's so bad, dude.
• 58:50
  It's so bad. And especially when you see it
• 58:52
  like multiple times, like there was a play the inning before.
• 58:57
  And if you haven't seen it, it's the collision that from an Eloy
• 59:01
  Jimenez pop up behind third base where it's that territory that
• 59:08
  like a shortstop could come in. The left fielder is coming in
• 59:11
  third base is like working straight back And Vargas at
• 59:16
  third base crashes into Benintendi, catches a shoulder
• 59:21
  of the eye and like immediately has a black eye.
• 59:24
  Ball drops all three runs score because there's two outs like
• 59:28
  miserable. But the inning before you watch
• 59:31
  like Benintendi and and Luis Robert in left center kind of
• 59:36
  make a a little collision where there's a lack of communication.
• 59:41
  There's there's so many things that and if if you're younger
• 59:48
  and you just started watching baseball, like I'm not trying to
• 59:51
  tell you to, to like not fall in love with this game, but there's
• 59:58
  so many things, There's so many intricacies.
• 1:00:01
  And like, as, as you and I growing up, I, we're not going
• 1:00:05
  to sit here and say that we're the greatest gift to earth when
• 1:00:08
  it comes to physical ability as a baseball player.
• 1:00:11
  We both played college baseball and I think we consider
• 1:00:13
  ourselves lucky to do that. But like we work like you work
• 1:00:17
  on certain fundamental things. And when you're watching
• 1:00:22
  millions of dollars being put towards a product on national
• 1:00:28
  television, and you're watching such an absence of those
• 1:00:34
  intricacies, such an absence of those practiced nuances to what
• 1:00:42
  makes our game what it is, it's really, really hard.
• 1:00:48
  And you're talking about little kids at four and five years old
• 1:00:53
  being taught to call for a ball. You're talking about Little
• 1:00:57
  League into middle school, maybe even high school of infielders.
• 1:01:03
  You can venture back there. But overall, like if you hear
• 1:01:07
  the outfielder, they take priority.
• 1:01:10
  They're coming in. There's little things, dude.
• 1:01:13
  And I'm not just going to harp on the White Sox because you can
• 1:01:16
  watch any game and you can see some pretty questionable things
• 1:01:20
  happening of guys hitting wrong parts of bags when they're
• 1:01:24
  running bases. Like there's a lot of small
• 1:01:27
  things that I feel like aren't being coached or practiced at
• 1:01:31
  the moment. And when you're the White Sox
• 1:01:34
  having one of the worst seasons ever, it's just going to be
• 1:01:40
  blown up and, and put in, put it under a microscope.
• 1:01:44
  And that to me like that, I turned the game off, dude.
• 1:01:48
  I was like, I'm not, I can't watch this.
• 1:01:51
  It's I, I, I think you're on with something.
• 1:01:54
  I think when it rains, it pours. And like, that's why I said I, I
• 1:01:57
  was surprised. It's just how bad the play was.
• 1:02:00
  But I, I wasn't surprised that the play happened and it go, it
• 1:02:07
  just go. You're talking about the, the
• 1:02:08
  lack of fundamentals that the very apparent lack of
• 1:02:11
  fundamentals. It goes back to what we were
• 1:02:13
  talking about that bit I heard that Tim Kirchen said recently
• 1:02:17
  where he's just like these guy. And I know I've mentioned it
• 1:02:19
  multiple times in the past month or so, but it it rings true and
• 1:02:23
  it continues to ring true especially for the Chicago White
• 1:02:26
  Sox. And that you talk about these
• 1:02:29
  players being incredible athletes.
• 1:02:32
  They can do. They can do on a baseball field
• 1:02:35
  what just about nobody else can do or has ever been able to do
• 1:02:40
  on a baseball field. Yeah, but they're stupid.
• 1:02:44
  The, the, the baseball IQ is lacking or non existent.
• 1:02:51
  It's they, they just rely on raw talent, raw skills and that gets
• 1:02:56
  them far. But when the going gets tough,
• 1:03:01
  when there's a, when there's a, a key play in a, in a vital game
• 1:03:06
  in the second-half of the season, that could potentially
• 1:03:09
  make or break your chances of getting into a postseason game.
• 1:03:13
  And you're looking like a deer in the headlights because you
• 1:03:15
  don't work on those fundamentals.
• 1:03:16
  There's not an emphasis put on those fundamentals.
• 1:03:19
  It really looks bad. And it more often than not, with
• 1:03:23
  the way baseball works, it'll come back to bite you.
• 1:03:27
  And when you're a team like the White Sox, it happens night
• 1:03:31
  after night after night. And it's a big reason why they
• 1:03:34
  are where they are. And like when you, when you can
• 1:03:37
  sit here and, and joke about like the, the way the White Sox
• 1:03:41
  season has gone, you can't just sit there and say, oh, they,
• 1:03:45
  they must be leading the league in strikeouts.
• 1:03:47
  They must be leading the league in this.
• 1:03:49
  They must be leading the league in this.
• 1:03:51
  They, you know what I mean? Like it's got to be about all of
• 1:03:55
  these small fundamentals. Like when you care about that
• 1:03:59
  little stuff, there's going to be a ripple effect on in a in a
• 1:04:03
  positive way towards other things.
• 1:04:05
  So overall, like brutal play. I feel bad for Vargas.
• 1:04:11
  You can tell there's like a running joke of these guys, like
• 1:04:14
  their collage of pictures of his face just staring off into the
• 1:04:19
  distance being miserable. Whether it's in the dugout or
• 1:04:23
  wherever. It's like, I do feel for the
• 1:04:25
  guy, but damn, dude. Like it.
• 1:04:29
  It was hard to watch Grady Sizemore with his first career
• 1:04:35
  ejection in this game as well. I saw that as as a player,
• 1:04:40
  obviously as a manager, as. Well, and I see the the UMP
• 1:04:43
  dropped an FU to him like a little little odd.
• 1:04:50
  I mean, got his face back. Cut the guy some like I think it
• 1:04:54
  was because the UMP blew the call.
• 1:04:56
  Like I didn't, I didn't see what what prompted it, but pretty
• 1:04:59
  sure I was reading or saw that it was because he just outright
• 1:05:02
  blew the call and Grady cut like we got this.
• 1:05:07
  I mean, for all intents and purposes, you got this babyface
• 1:05:09
  manager coming out. Yeah, be like, dude, clean it
• 1:05:13
  up. And the guy's like F you.
• 1:05:15
  It's like, how does that make sense?
• 1:05:17
  Yeah, what? I don't know, man.
• 1:05:21
  It's it's the tale as old as time, the umpires having some
• 1:05:28
  delusions of grandeur. They want to have their imprint
• 1:05:30
  on the game. Yeah, and 0 accountability to
• 1:05:33
  follow suit. That's the worst part of it.
• 1:05:38
  Let us look ahead to the weekend series to watch lettuce, lettuce
• 1:05:45
  and tomato. Look ahead to the weekend
• 1:05:49
  series. Watch Nate.
• 1:05:49
  I think you've you've pretty much got it, got it nailed.
• 1:05:53
  I think we have got a little bit of an old school match up this
• 1:05:57
  weekend. I mean, we got some good
• 1:05:58
  baseball while you're pulling that up.
• 1:06:00
  We've got the the guards and the Dodgers.
• 1:06:03
  Matthew Boyd's throwing on Friday.
• 1:06:05
  Matthew Boyd, by the way, I don't know if you've looked
• 1:06:06
  Matthew Boyd's been throwing awfully well since since making
• 1:06:13
  his his debut D backs and and Stroh's we got the.
• 1:06:25
  Oh, you don't have it. You don't have a specific
• 1:06:26
  series. You're just kind of rolling
• 1:06:28
  through. No, no, no.
• 1:06:28
  I was waiting for you to pull up.
• 1:06:29
  You were series. Because I I think you're right.
• 1:06:31
  I think that's probably the one to watch.
• 1:06:35
  Yeah, I mean. Twins.
• 1:06:36
  Twins. Royals.
• 1:06:38
  It's a good one. Say what you will about the
• 1:06:42
  Giants, but they're they're at on the road in San Diego versus
• 1:06:46
  Padres. Might be a little interesting
• 1:06:48
  which by the way I saw super random side note I saw Darren
• 1:06:52
  Ruff who was on that like super fluky 100 plus win giants team
• 1:06:58
  remember from a few. Years back, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:00
  Yeah, Darren Ruff, he's like I I saw he there was like a a
• 1:07:05
  welcome coach graphic on social. He's on he's like some assistant
• 1:07:10
  coach now, like for some college team.
• 1:07:12
  I think so I'm like, hey, good for you man.
• 1:07:13
  Didn't even realize he just like.
• 1:07:15
  Tough. Dropped out of the league or
• 1:07:17
  whatever, but you know, hey, good for you, good for you and.
• 1:07:21
  Brutal, brutal. Speaking of brutal, you get the
• 1:07:26
  New York Yankees going to Chicago this weekend.
• 1:07:30
  I think if you just. Yeah, yeah, that's correct.
• 1:07:42
  I know they drive me crazy too. More so just like a baseball
• 1:07:51
  historical cool thing, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:53
  You got to see Dodgers in New York this year.
• 1:07:56
  So the Yankees in Wrigley is just a cool sight to see.
• 1:08:00
  That'll start Friday. It's a three-game set.
• 1:08:02
  Obviously. You got Luis Heel going against
• 1:08:06
  Javier Assad, game one, Game 2, Clark Schmidt coming back off
• 1:08:11
  the aisle for the first time going against Jordan Wicks.
• 1:08:15
  And then I would say Game 3 is probably the one you want to
• 1:08:19
  jump in on, although it is the first Sunday of of football, so
• 1:08:25
  that's a tough one for everybody.
• 1:08:26
  But it's a day game. It's Gerrit Cole going against
• 1:08:29
  Jamison Taillon. That'd be a good one.
• 1:08:37
  Could be a good one. So good series if you're just
• 1:08:41
  like, you know, a baseball nerd wanting to see these jerseys in
• 1:08:44
  this ballpark that you haven't gotten to see in a while.
• 1:08:49
  Classic. Not that you want to necessarily
• 1:08:51
  watch amazing baseball 'cause you won't.
• 1:08:56
  Classic. Yeah, I'm going to have my eye
• 1:08:59
  on that D backs strobe series. That'll be a that'll be some
• 1:09:03
  quality baseball. All right, let's wrap it up with
• 1:09:07
  a game here and then we'll get out of here for the week.
• 1:09:12
  What? What do you want to do?
• 1:09:13
  You want to go? You just want to go a little,
• 1:09:16
  name that player, say, say the name, we'll say the name game.
• 1:09:21
  Say the name game start out what?
• 1:09:23
  What we decided one retired, one active to start it off.
• 1:09:27
  Yeah. I'll take retired.
• 1:09:28
  I took active last game. Take active cannot be first
• 1:09:31
  round cannot be a name that we have mentioned 2D. 2D. 2D.
• 1:09:42
  All right, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to present a
• 1:09:44
  challenge here. Our best is 4.
• 1:09:51
  Let's. Try for you like to do this, I
• 1:09:53
  just let's try for three. Well, the first one's a wasp.
• 1:09:56
  So that's fine. So we got 2 guesses in theory.
• 1:09:59
  I mean we'll, we'll take it to the 10 if we need to.
• 1:10:01
  I don't think we need all 10. But let's shoot for three here.
• 1:10:04
  Let's shoot for the stars. Why not, huh?
• 1:10:06
  OK, got my guy. All right, you got active.
• 1:10:12
  I'm going retired. I got my guy.
• 1:10:15
  OK. All right, 321 Randy Johnson,
• 1:10:23
  say the name. I blinked.
• 1:10:25
  I blinked. I blinked.
• 1:10:26
  I blinked. You had the guy I.
• 1:10:27
  Had it, I had it. Oh my bad, I had it.
• 1:10:32
  That's the integrity of the game.
• 1:10:34
  I had. It I lost his version, I lost
• 1:10:38
  his. First name, That's on me.
• 1:10:40
  That's on me, that's on me. Get out.
• 1:10:43
  I had his first name. I I I lost the first name.
• 1:10:45
  I had the last name get. Out of here, restart.
• 1:10:50
  You're like, I don't boot you from this call.
• 1:10:52
  That's fair. That's fair.
• 1:10:54
  That's. Fair.
• 1:10:54
  Well, now I got. Man, I was feeling good about
• 1:10:56
  that Peck. Now I got to figure out somebody
• 1:10:58
  else. All right.
• 1:11:00
  Oh man. I I would have said the wrong
• 1:11:04
  first name and it would it would have not been good.
• 1:11:06
  I'll still stay on the name though.
• 1:11:07
  Because there's like a 2 second delay I had, I always have to
• 1:11:10
  wait for your guest. So I'm like and you didn't say
• 1:11:16
  anything. I gave you ample time to.
• 1:11:18
  Say I know I lost the first name.
• 1:11:20
  That's on me. That's on me.
• 1:11:22
  All right, let's turn it back all.
• 1:11:24
  Right. It's it's actually funny that I
• 1:11:26
  lost the first name. You'll see why.
• 1:11:31
  OK, that makes it more comical. Let's go.
• 1:11:38
  All right, I got a guy. OK, all right, three, hold on.
• 1:11:44
  I got to get my right sounds here. 321 Super Jones.
• 1:11:53
  See what's funny? Your name's Kyle.
• 1:11:57
  Oh, thanks, Yeah. Oh, so you went with the same?
• 1:12:00
  Guy. Yeah, I went with the same guy.
• 1:12:01
  I just I I blanked on his first name.
• 1:12:04
  I that's it's it was a split second thing.
• 1:12:06
  It happens. It happens to the best of us.
• 1:12:09
  Let's move past it. You said Chipper Jones.
• 1:12:13
  Chipper Jones, Chipper Jones and Kyle Tucker.
• 1:12:15
  All right. Can we do this in two guesses?
• 1:12:17
  Can we do this in two guesses? I'm not going to lie, I'm I'm
• 1:12:21
  still a little frazzled from from you just I get quite
• 1:12:24
  literally leaving me out to dry. I get that.
• 1:12:27
  Unbelievable. I understand that.
• 1:12:29
  All right. Chipper Jones and Kyle Tucker.
• 1:12:32
  Let's think here, Chipper Jones and Kyle Tucker.
• 1:12:49
  And I got a name I just, I don't know, doesn't feel great but.
• 1:12:57
  I also have a name and I'm kind of feeling the same way.
• 1:12:59
  So you know what? Let's just let's go with it.
• 1:13:01
  All right? 321 Julio Bagwell.
• 1:13:08
  OK, All right. We always, we always end up in
• 1:13:11
  like the 90s. Yeah, we do.
• 1:13:13
  I know. All right, can we do it on this
• 1:13:18
  3rd guest? This would be a record.
• 1:13:20
  This would be a record. Julio Franco, come on.
• 1:13:23
  That's a tough one, I told you. I mean, so is mine, but at least
• 1:13:28
  it was you can you can build a bridge from that I mean I.
• 1:13:33
  Think it. Was Julio Franco?
• 1:13:34
  Is he? A right fielder for the Braves.
• 1:13:39
  No, that's that's valid point. Yeah.
• 1:13:43
  There's really no connection other than the fact that he was
• 1:13:44
  an Astro. That was there was 0 connection
• 1:13:47
  to the Braves. That's why I didn't feel great
• 1:13:49
  about it. But OK.
• 1:13:51
  Who? Julio Franco and Jeff Bagwell
• 1:13:59
  still in the same boat here? We're still in the same boat.
• 1:14:03
  This is tough. I mean, I got a guy, I guess,
• 1:14:15
  Julio, a whole lot of logic here.
• 1:14:18
  Julio Franco and Chef Bagwell. No, I don't like it.
• 1:14:30
  I'm moving on, moving past that one.
• 1:14:42
  This might not be the game where we set our set our record here
• 1:14:44
  with my friend. Probably not.
• 1:14:45
  This could be a tough one. All right, well, let's take the
• 1:14:48
  pressure off ourselves and if we're not going to go 3, then
• 1:14:50
  let's just. Just try to get a.
• 1:14:52
  Just try to get a dub. I thought.
• 1:14:53
  I thought we got greedy there for a SEC.
• 1:14:54
  We did. We did.
• 1:14:55
  Let's get. Let's recalibrate here.
• 1:14:56
  All right. Jeff Bagwell, Julio Franco.
• 1:15:05
  Yeah. I don't like it.
• 1:15:06
  I don't like. It I'm with you, I'm with.
• 1:15:08
  You man, is there any crossover? Is there any crossover?
• 1:15:19
  Dude, I got nothing. I have nothing, dude, I'm just
• 1:15:34
  going to have to. I may just have to throw
• 1:15:36
  something out just to like get us out of the out of the the the
• 1:15:40
  ditch here I got. Do what you got to do.
• 1:15:43
  I don't have a lot of it's just a thing.
• 1:15:46
  It's just a name that came to mind that kind of has a tie with
• 1:15:49
  one of these teams, but I didn't find anything connecting.
• 1:16:00
  Is there not a player that played for the the Braves and
• 1:16:03
  the Astros? Sure there is.
• 1:16:04
  Sure there is. Like, has it ever happened in
• 1:16:07
  the history of the game? Because I cannot think of one
• 1:16:09
  right now. I'm sure there.
• 1:16:11
  I'm sure there has. I got nothing, dude.
• 1:16:26
  Can we get like a phone, your friend in the chat or something
• 1:16:29
  like can somebody like just point us in the direction?
• 1:16:36
  All right, I'm just going to throw a name out.
• 1:16:37
  I'm going to throw a name out. That's kind of what I'm doing
• 1:16:39
  so. This is this is this is strategy
• 1:16:42
  more than anything. This isn't trying to make a
• 1:16:44
  connection off the last two picks.
• 1:16:45
  This is what I'm going with. All right, three.
• 1:16:47
  This will be our third guess. 321 Nolan Ryan.
• 1:16:57
  That's. We can work with that, actually.
• 1:17:00
  Yeah, we can definitely work with that.
• 1:17:03
  Can we? Something pretty blatantly
• 1:17:09
  obvious in common amongst the two of them.
• 1:17:15
  So that's three guesses. This will be our 4th, Lance
• 1:17:17
  Berkman and Nolan Ryan. I've got a guy.
• 1:17:23
  I have got a guy. All right, you got a guy.
• 1:17:27
  I got a guy. I got a guy.
• 1:17:29
  I don't feel good about any of this.
• 1:17:30
  I this is a great this is a great I'm going to pat myself on
• 1:17:34
  the back here. This is a great bounce back from
• 1:17:36
  from just throwing a name out there to making a connection.
• 1:17:41
  This is oh beautiful chef's kiss 4th pick 321 Nathan Nevaldi you
• 1:17:57
  went the. You went the Ranger days.
• 1:17:59
  I went. To Texas, boy, you know I went
• 1:18:01
  to literally. Houston days.
• 1:18:02
  They were both Astros. Nate Baldy.
• 1:18:06
  Currently in Astro. Was Lance Berkman in a a Ranger?
• 1:18:13
  No. Didn't I say I said Texas?
• 1:18:14
  Did I say? Did I say Ranger?
• 1:18:16
  Houston's still in Texas. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:18:20
  Well, I, I was talking, I was, I was going theme, the theme of
• 1:18:24
  Texas there. And I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty
• 1:18:26
  sure, I'm pretty sure Ivaldi's from where Nolan Ryan's from.
• 1:18:32
  I. Don't know where Nolan Ryan's
• 1:18:33
  from? I oh, I'm so ashamed that I
• 1:18:36
  know. It's like right there on the tip
• 1:18:37
  of my tongue. Maybe not Alvin, I thought.
• 1:18:51
  Wasn't it from Alvin? Allen.
• 1:18:55
  Alvin. I think that I've heard of an
• 1:18:58
  Allen, TX. Never heard of an Alvin, TX.
• 1:19:00
  Alvin attended Alvin high School native ALDI.
• 1:19:04
  Yeah, they're I'm pretty sure they are from same area.
• 1:19:06
  So that was a great bounce back on my part anyway.
• 1:19:11
  And then just lump in the fact that Lance Bergman played played
• 1:19:14
  for the Astros and wasn't he also an A Texas guy too?
• 1:19:18
  I don't know if he was a Ranger. I'm not talking about the
• 1:19:22
  Rangers. I'm talking Texas.
• 1:19:23
  He's born in Waco, TX. I, I mean, that's the best pick
• 1:19:26
  I, I think I've ever had. That's the best pick I've ever
• 1:19:29
  had. Berlander's really not that
• 1:19:30
  crazy, by the way. My.
• 1:19:33
  Pick is from Texas, as are Nolan Ryan and And who's the other
• 1:19:38
  guy? Nolan Ryan and.
• 1:19:41
  Lance Berkman. And Lance Berkman and.
• 1:19:44
  They know where people are from. Well, that speaks to the degree
• 1:19:48
  of of effectiveness of my pick and.
• 1:19:51
  Fireballer for the Astros. Justin Verlander, fireballer for
• 1:19:56
  the Oh my, are you not? Hold on, we need to take a quick
• 1:20:00
  little. Ryan was an Astro.
• 1:20:02
  Lance Berkman was an Astro. Justin Verlander, Nastro.
• 1:20:06
  Nolan Ryan was also a Ranger is literally right there.
• 1:20:09
  You can see the picture, the bloody lip picture.
• 1:20:12
  Lance Berkman. I know, but listen to what I'm
• 1:20:15
  saying. Nolan Ryan played for two teams
• 1:20:18
  in Texas. Nolan Ryan, also born in Texas.
• 1:20:22
  Lance Berkman played for team in Texas.
• 1:20:25
  Lance Berkman, also born in Texas.
• 1:20:27
  Nady, Evaldi. Played.
• 1:20:28
  For team in Texas, Nady Evaldi, born in Texas.
• 1:20:32
  What are we talking about? Zero percent chance you chose
• 1:20:35
  native Evaldi thinking Lance Berkman was also from Texas.
• 1:20:39
  I was 97% sure he was born in Texas because I'm there's pretty
• 1:20:44
  sure part of the equation. Pause, Pause.
• 1:20:48
  Lance. Berkman We're going off of
• 1:20:50
  hometowns. That's just that's.
• 1:20:54
  That's me knowing ball. That's me knowing ball.
• 1:20:57
  That's. Crazy.
• 1:20:59
  That's crazy. His literal no, I thought it was
• 1:21:02
  a nickname was like Big Texas or something.
• 1:21:04
  It was Big Puma or Fat Elvis. So I was awful, but I still know
• 1:21:07
  ball. I still know ball anyway, Fat
• 1:21:10
  Elvis, All right, We're 4 picks deep.
• 1:21:12
  Man, that got me fired up. We're 4 picks deep.
• 1:21:16
  Justin Berlin or native ALDI. I mean, that's not that crazy.
• 1:21:19
  We're, we're doing OK here. We're doing OK.
• 1:21:22
  There's some we can, there's some we can work with here.
• 1:21:25
  No, it's, it's staring us right in the face.
• 1:21:27
  Dude, it's so easy. Come on, I'm there.
• 1:21:29
  I'm there. OK, this is our fifth pick 321
• 1:21:34
  Rick Scherzer. Oh my God, what are you?
• 1:21:36
  Doing dude, they're both on the roster.
• 1:21:40
  They're both on the rosters, both in the rotation.
• 1:21:43
  I was thinking Porcello, former Red Sock, former Tiger.
• 1:21:48
  That's where I was going. Oh my.
• 1:21:51
  That's where I was going. These litter.
• 1:21:54
  These, That's where I was going. Just within the last three
• 1:21:57
  years, he's been a teammate of both.
• 1:21:59
  What? Are we?
• 1:21:59
  I hear you. I hear you.
• 1:22:00
  That's an oversight. You are.
• 1:22:02
  That's an oversight you are killing.
• 1:22:04
  Me this game. We can still get there.
• 1:22:06
  We're still there. Rick Porcello I.
• 1:22:08
  Guess dude that that was not. Sure is there.
• 1:22:11
  That was on a tee for us. Oh, come on, come on, shape up,
• 1:22:17
  you said Rick Porcello. And I said Max Scherzer.
• 1:22:23
  Come on, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 1:22:25
  Let me think, let me think, let me think.
• 1:22:31
  Who was it? Who was it?
• 1:22:33
  I know, I know, I know it. I know who it is, but I don't
• 1:22:38
  know who it is. Oh, who was that other one?
• 1:22:52
  Who was the other one? Am I allowed to?
• 1:23:01
  Am I allowed to look something up?
• 1:23:02
  I don't think so. I think that's, I think that's
• 1:23:05
  breaking. Oh, who was it?
• 1:23:07
  I'm going to, I'm going to kick myself for not knowing this.
• 1:23:11
  Apparently I apparently I don't know ball.
• 1:23:16
  Who? Well, I'm blocking on it too.
• 1:23:19
  I really AM. We're thinking of this.
• 1:23:21
  We're trying to think of the same thing.
• 1:23:22
  Mad Scherzer, Rick Porcello. Well, don't tell me what you're
• 1:23:28
  trying to think of. Well, yeah, whispering doesn't
• 1:23:32
  help really either. That that's kind of the same
• 1:23:35
  thing. Who was that?
• 1:23:44
  Oh, boom. Got it, got it.
• 1:23:49
  I thought of it. Came to my mind.
• 1:23:53
  We're back to knowing ball. I'm back.
• 1:23:58
  I'll give you a minute. I got it.
• 1:24:00
  I got what you're looking for. I got what you're after.
• 1:24:05
  We're thinking the same thing. I got it.
• 1:24:10
  I'm going to be really upset. And for the record, I already
• 1:24:14
  have the guy, I have the name, but I'm going to confirm
• 1:24:17
  something real quick. It's not cheating because I
• 1:24:19
  already I've it's in the chamber.
• 1:24:21
  The name is in the chamber. I'm I'm just for my own Peace of
• 1:24:24
  Mind, just to confirm that I I do, in fact, no ball.
• 1:24:28
  I'm going to look something up here.
• 1:24:37
  This is driving me crazy. Yep, I Yep, I hate.
• 1:24:40
  Confirmed Confirmed Do no ball. Yeah, we're back.
• 1:24:45
  We're so we've never been more back.
• 1:24:47
  We have never been more back. I hate it so much.
• 1:24:50
  You're going to, you're going to kick yourself.
• 1:24:52
  We're five guesses deep. Is this going to be our 6th?
• 1:24:54
  Doing Yeah, this is. Going to be our 6th.
• 1:24:57
  Come on. Head back to no one ball.
• 1:25:07
  Also shout out shout out Roberto Clemente.
• 1:25:10
  Just a little little plug for the the goat.
• 1:25:14
  Who's the Hall of Fame? Guess, guess, guess.
• 1:25:16
  That name. Hall of Fame?
• 1:25:18
  Roberto Clemente. True, Yes.
• 1:25:20
  What a fitting day to wear this shirt.
• 1:25:22
  Look at that. That's big time.
• 1:25:23
  He was one of our founding members.
• 1:25:25
  I'm really struggling here dude, I'm really blanking you're.
• 1:25:30
  Going to be so upset. I'm going to be so upset.
• 1:25:34
  I would, I would give you a hint just to like kind of just to
• 1:25:38
  kind of irritate you a little bit, but.
• 1:25:42
  It's already. I'm already pretty irritated.
• 1:25:45
  About it, it's on the off chance it gave something away.
• 1:25:47
  I wouldn't want to want to. Wouldn't want to mess with the
• 1:25:50
  integrity of the game. What the heck, dude?
• 1:25:56
  We may just have to. I'll probably still go with the
• 1:26:00
  name, but you'll just all right, so scrap.
• 1:26:03
  I'm not going to get there. I.
• 1:26:05
  Flash, flash the memory go back to what we said I what were the?
• 1:26:10
  What were the names? Porcello and Scherzer or
• 1:26:15
  Scherzer? Scherzer and who?
• 1:26:19
  Berlander or Porcello? OK, Porcello and Scherzer.
• 1:26:24
  All right. So come up with a name based off
• 1:26:26
  that. I'm probably still going to go
• 1:26:27
  with the same guy. And then we'll just go from
• 1:26:30
  there because I, I can't think of anything else.
• 1:26:35
  I'm so irritated right now. You're going to be irritated.
• 1:26:38
  You're going to be irritated, but you're not going to get at
• 1:26:41
  this point. You're if if you haven't gotten
• 1:26:43
  it yet, you're not going to think of it.
• 1:26:44
  So I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll carry the torch.
• 1:26:47
  I don't even know if this guy's a tiger.
• 1:26:48
  I I feel like he was for a SEC. I don't know, Let's just go.
• 1:26:52
  All right, this is my. Brain sucks today, our 6th.
• 1:26:55
  Guest. What happens when you don't
• 1:26:56
  work, by the way? You're just like, you're just
• 1:26:58
  out in the in the world Willy nilly not working.
• 1:27:03
  Well, you're not. You're not unemployed for
• 1:27:06
  anybody new. You're not unemployed.
• 1:27:07
  But I have vacation brain. Yeah, you're, you're
• 1:27:10
  transitioning jobs here, so you're not.
• 1:27:13
  Just on vacation. You're not like a hobo, All
• 1:27:16
  right? I got my guy.
• 1:27:18
  You got your guy. Yeah.
• 1:27:19
  This is our 6th guest. You're going to be so upset
• 1:27:22
  that. You know this name. 321 David
• 1:27:27
  Price David Price OH oh, that was the guy that's.
• 1:27:32
  Crazy. That's the guy that rotation.
• 1:27:35
  Yes, that was the name that I was kicking.
• 1:27:37
  I was like, who is the guy? It was the guy.
• 1:27:40
  I thought he was a Tiger, but that was the rotation to going
• 1:27:44
  back to like Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello.
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  He was in that that and when I said, when I said let me look
• 1:27:51
  something up because I already I had the name, dude, I looked it
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  up. He's in the picture.
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  They're all like holding the ball like like towards the
• 1:27:58
  camera that he's in that picture.
• 1:28:00
  Like that was that was part of the the like the rotation that
• 1:28:02
  gets memed all the time where it's like, how could the Tigers
• 1:28:05
  not do anything with this? David Price was one of those
• 1:28:07
  guys. Was that post?
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  Oh wait, forgot to hit it. There we go.
• 1:28:16
  Was that post raise? Yes, yeah, No, no, opposed
• 1:28:21
  because he came, he came up with the race.
• 1:28:25
  Dang, I, I knew I was going off of like Porcello, the Red Sox,
• 1:28:32
  Tigers connection. Yeah, that's why I went David
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  Price. I I genuinely couldn't remember
• 1:28:37
  if he was in that. Rotation.
• 1:28:39
  Was that the guy you were trying to think of?
• 1:28:41
  No, I thought it was a different name in that rotation, but I
• 1:28:44
  guess it makes sense now that we're like.
• 1:28:46
  Yeah, he was. There was there was one other
• 1:28:48
  guy. I.
• 1:28:48
  I thought there was a fifth guy. Yeah.
• 1:28:50
  There was like, I don't remember who it was.
• 1:28:53
  Let me look. Real quick.
• 1:28:55
  And like everyone jokes about like Rick Purcell of being like,
• 1:28:58
  oh Anabal. Sanchez, that was the guy that
• 1:29:00
  was the the, the fifth guy in that in that mix.
• 1:29:04
  Who's been around the block, dude?
• 1:29:06
  He was. I'm pretty sure he was in
• 1:29:09
  Washington with Max, wasn't he? I believe so, yeah.
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  Yeah. All right.
• 1:29:16
  Well, I mean that that salvage it a little bit.
• 1:29:18
  That was a little sloppy. That was a lot of that was
• 1:29:21
  vacation. I'm going to I'm going to blame
• 1:29:23
  vacation brand. We got off on the, we got off on
• 1:29:25
  the wrong foot. The important thing is we got
• 1:29:27
  there and we introduced a new member or we inducted, I should
• 1:29:31
  say, a new member to the hall to the say the name Hall of Fame in
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  David Price. David, congratulations welcome.
• 1:29:42
  Yep, got got no celebratory music, but this'll do.
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  Welcome, David, and goodbye to all of you.
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  We'll see you next time. I don't know.
• 1:29:53
  Nate and I are both going to be out of town next this next week.
• 1:29:56
  I don't know what a recording schedule looks like.
• 1:29:59
  Yeah, we may. We may hit you up with a pod,
• 1:30:04
  maybe two. We may not.
• 1:30:06
  It's kind of up in the air. There's some things at play we
• 1:30:09
  got to figure out. Got to figure out why five, got
• 1:30:11
  to figure out availability. You got to figure out if there's
• 1:30:14
  even anything in the world to talk about worth covering.
• 1:30:17
  Because as we mentioned, we're still kind of in this weird
• 1:30:20
  residual August holding pattern. So not quite sure what's going
• 1:30:26
  to happen there, but we will, we will certainly let you know.
• 1:30:28
  We'll keep you up to date. We'll keep, we'll keep you in
• 1:30:31
  the loop as to what's going to be happening here in the coming
• 1:30:34
  week. But either way, whether you hear
• 1:30:37
  from us this coming week or not, enjoy some baseball.
• 1:30:40
  We gave you some, some series to watch.
• 1:30:43
  And if you're playing catch up, if you had a busy summer, you,
• 1:30:46
  you had a you're, you're, you're catching up from a long Labor
• 1:30:50
  Day weekend. You're you got to get caught up
• 1:30:52
  with the boys, get caught up with the pod.
• 1:30:54
  Check us out on YouTube. This I would, I would argue this
• 1:30:58
  would be a great one for YouTube because there there's a lot of
• 1:31:00
  visuals for this one. I mean, I I got closer to the
• 1:31:04
  camera on this episode. You got up in there?
• 1:31:07
  I got, I mean, I was up in the grill, man, I that's close as
• 1:31:10
  I've ever gotten to a camera. I think when we've done a
• 1:31:12
  podcast. So that's that's been that was
• 1:31:14
  fun. And then just my faces of
• 1:31:17
  disgust and anguish at the say the name game with Nate's
• 1:31:22
  vacation brain. But yeah, check us out on on
• 1:31:24
  YouTube and otherwise we'll chat with you guys.
• 1:31:30
  Chat with you guys soon. Don't go chasing curveballs.
• 1:31:33
  We love you all as always. Looking forward to talking more
• 1:31:35
  baseball with you guys soon. Until next time, stay filthy.