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#201: Jigsaw (2017) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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  movie? You have a choice.
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  Scream or don't. Welcome to what?
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  Your least favorite scary movie. The podcast where we talk about
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  the good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd And all of our.
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  Favorite and least favorite scary movie 'cause we believe
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  every horror movie rightfully has his fan base.
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  Even if we don't always. Get.
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  It my name is Travis. My name is Jesse and today we
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  are we're we're going back to Sawville, USA.
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  So we're we're talking about Jigsaw.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Pretty exciting. I don't have any announcements,
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  but we do have a poll this week. We do have a poll.
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  Finally. Yeah, sorry for not having one
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  for the past few weeks. So we did do one for Dude Bro
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  Party Massacre 3. Yes, which we've had a couple of
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  people say that this movie sounds really fun, but they've
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  never seen it. Please go watch it.
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  Yeah, absolutely. It's amazing.
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  If you haven't listened to our episode yet, you know, do that,
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  but also watch it and then listen.
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  Or do in the reverse order. I don't care.
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  You just got to watch that fucking.
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  Movie and listen at the same time, but then also.
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  Do both. Of those things separately,
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  because that sounds like, honestly, like a sensory night.
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  No, I feel like that's how they would want it.
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  I think that's how the five second film crew would like it'd
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  be approved. I think so, Yeah, I think so.
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  OK, so our poll that we did do, though is which dude, bro, are
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  you? Oh, Jesse's doing the slow nod.
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  I mean, right. Sorry, we got to tell you, since
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  this is audio only. All right, so we got four of
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  them. There's a lot more Dude Bros
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  than that, but these are our four main Dude Bros from the.
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  Movie. Yeah.
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  So you got Turbo and on Instagram 20% would believe to
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  be Turbo, 20% think that they are Derek?
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  Derek. 60% are Brent and nobody is Sizzler.
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  I know, Poor buddy. All right.
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  And so. Y'all aren't getting in.
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  Let's be real. With ourselves.
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  OK. Well, hey, let's go over to
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  Twitter and see if things change.
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  OK. Over on Twitter, 25% are Turbo,
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  25% are Derek, 0% Brent, 50% Sizzler.
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  Our Sizzlers are over there on Twitter.
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  OK, Yeah. And we got our Brents on
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  Instagram and our Sizzlers on Twitter.
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  That's a good crew of people right there.
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  You know, see, I want to be Turbo.
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  I really, really want to be Turbo because he's my favorite
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  character of that movie. But I know I can't.
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  I can't handle is the thing. So I think deep down, I think
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  I'm Brent because I remember that scene from when Brock is
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  looking or no, he's going into Brent's God.
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  It's so confusing with their names.
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  Britt is going into Brock's room and then he sees all of those
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  old photos of himself and stuff like that, and it reminded me of
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  my little baseball. Photos, you guys, Travis is
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  underselling it, 'cause it's not just that he had baseball
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  photos, it's that they made little acrylic standees of his
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  baseball. Statues.
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  I was good at baseball. Everybody OK?
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  I was good at baseball growing. Up I have a picture somewhere of
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  the tiny Travis museum. I'm gonna have to see if I can
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  look at that for you all. I got trophies.
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  I got baseball bats. I got like like little cut outs
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  of Travis all over the place. That's what my bedroom looks
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  like at my parents house right now.
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  And his Is it a Greenbelt? I made it up to Greenbelt.
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  Yeah. I took some karate lessons, did
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  not transfer. The only thing I transferred
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  over is how to take like a pole and just like do the spinning
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  stuff with it. Like I'm like, fuck yeah, it
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  looks cool, intimidating. It doesn't kick any ass though,
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  OK? Which one are you?
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  So on the episode I said I was probably ZQ, but I admitted that
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  I would probably also be a little bit of Sizzler.
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  Yeah. So I.
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  Guess you can go on with Sizzler, yeah.
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  You make sense as a Sizzler and you beefed out-of-the-box
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  recently. Did I?
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  Yeah. OK, yeah, trust me, I was there.
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  It was a quiet beef, but it it happened.
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  You beefed out of it. We were all, like, very proud of
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  you, but we didn't want to make you aware of it.
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  OK, all right, so that's stupid. So let's get into some other
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  stupid. Let's get into some Jigsaw
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  stupid. OK, so Jigsaw released October
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  27th, 2017. We watched it on our fork, but
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  as of March 23rd you can currently stream it on NGM Plus
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  Prime, YouTube Primetime, YouTube TV Premium, Sling TV
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  Premium or Filo Premium, or you can rent it from Google Play or
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  Fandango at home. Oh, OK, Fandango at.
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  Home Fandango at Home Yeah Written by Josh Stolberg and
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  Pete Goldfinger. Directed by Michael Spearrig and
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  Peter Spearrig. Music by Charlie Klauser And
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  special effects makeup, mostly. Prosthetics done by Mark Walton
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  to Neil to Neil Shockey. Daniela Pluton, Chino, Jen
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  Pattinson, Miyuka Mori and Francois Dejanay.
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  OK. And Francois Dejan.
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  I can't wait. I can't wait for you to edit
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  this. And hear how completely
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  different that was than what I said.
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  I'm. I'm trying my best, OK?
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  I'm sorry. I'm gonna try.
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  No disrespect to the name I I that was a legit attempt at it.
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  This is. A Travis problem.
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  That name is familiar. I feel like we've seen them.
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  Yeah, in the past few songs. Yeah, OK.
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  That's what I thought. Sorry.
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  Francis Dejanit. I didn't even get that good at.
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  It starring Tobin Bella's Jigsaw Matt Passmore is Logan Nelson,
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  Callum Keith Rennie as Detective Halloran Hannah.
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  Emily Anderson is Eleanor Bonville, Clay Bennett as
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  Detective Keith Hunt, Laura van der Voot as Anna, Paul
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  Braunstein as Ryan, and Mandala Van Peebles as Mitch.
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  Van Peebles. Van Peebles.
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  OK. All right, Travis, it's time for
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  our favorite game budget. Or button.
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  Making a strong return. I think I'm gonna go with budget
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  on this one. Only by the Bears technicality.
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  I mean, that's like true for any budget Saw movie.
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  It's 10 million. Wow.
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  OK. So yeah.
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  Yeah, so opening box office once again, US and Canada of 16.6
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  million and a worldwide gross IMDb says 102.9 million,
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  Wikipedia says 104.2 million. So.
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  Like a big difference there. That's a pretty good return.
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  Yeah. It's not as big as like the
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  heyday I saw, I don't think, but you know, it's still pretty
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  good. IMDb score of 5.7 out of 10
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  That's fair. Which honestly, 'cause I know a
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  lot of people don't like this one and I don't.
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  I'm not as I'm surprised that the score is what it is, 'cause
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  I thought it would be lower the way people talk about it online.
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  I don't know. Do people really talk about this
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  one like that? Yeah, really.
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  Yeah, OK. Yeah, my my theme this week.
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  It's not super creative, but it was unavoidable.
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  There were so many sequels in 2017, so I did sequels.
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  OK, sure, that's those are always fun.
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  Still, the first one is Annabelle Creation, which came
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  out August 11th, 2017. A budget of 15,000,000, A
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  worldwide gross hub 306.5 million.
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  What the fuck? Yes, those movies rake it in.
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  They really do. They're cheap to make, and
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  they're just popular for some. Yeah, even.
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  It's like they're popular even amongst people that aren't like
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  horror fans. Like it's a much more accessible
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  franchise. Well.
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  Everybody knows Annabelle. I feel like any time like like
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  people are like, yeah, creepy doll like Annabelle.
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  Yeah, really people. That's that's one that people
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  just like get. Yeah, that has an INDB score of
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  6.5 out of 10. Wow.
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  I have heard that's an actual, really good movie.
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  I honestly, I know we saw Annabelle, but I completely
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  forgot about that until you reminded me.
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  Yeah. That that franchise just
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  doesn't. Yeah, I mean.
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  To get my brain at all. We saw the first one.
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  We haven't seen this one. Yeah, yeah.
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  And there's like 3. Or 4 animals now.
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  I think there are three. Yeah.
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  I think this one was directed by the dude that did the Lights Out
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  movie. Good for him.
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  OK, second one, we actually saw this in theater.
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  We saw this in theater. So for our first wedding
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  anniversary, we went to Myrtle Beach and it rained the entire
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  week, which if you know anything about Myrtle Beach, the only
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  things to do are outside. So we went to the movies and
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  drank at a lot of bars most of that week.
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  So. That's still a good time, but
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  not exactly what you go to Myrtle Beach for.
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  Yes, exactly. So we saw Alien Covenant.
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  Yeah, I knew. Yep.
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  Yep. That's a good time.
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  I like that movie. I think a lot of people shit on
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  that one too. Actually, and that's what I
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  remembered, but I was kind of surprised by the IMDb score.
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  Probably low for an Alien film, but it was high for what we
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  normally get for this show. OK, 6:00-ish.
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  Six point. Four.
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  Wow, that is high. Wait, and you think that's high?
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  Wait until you hear the budget. So this released first of all
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  May 19th 2017 budget of 97,000,000.
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  Holy shit 'cause it's alien. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
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  effects. That's a very effects heavy
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  series. Worldwide gross of 240.8
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  million. OK, so we did things a little
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  bit out of order, but makes sense in the context of talking
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  about it. That one has Danny Pride in it
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  too. Yeah, yeah, That's.
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  Tennessee, I think, is his name, Yeah.
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  I remember being excited because it was Dana McBride and RIP in
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  Tennessee. So, all right, third movie
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  rings. Oh, that one was weird.
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  I mean, we haven't seen it, but like, the whole story behind
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  that one is weird. That released February 3rd,
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  2017, so already kind of rough for it, you know A February
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  release? Yeah, a budget of 25,000,000,
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  worldwide gross of 83,000,000. So it still hits like times
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  three more. That's.
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  Better than I expected. IMDb score of 4.5.
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  Four. Yeah, that sounds about right.
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  I've not heard anything good about it.
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  So. I haven't heard anything good
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  about any Ring sequel, and I kind of watched the second ring
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  on Pluto one day for a little bit.
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  It was weird. It was not that good.
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  Like, I didn't watch all of it. But what I did see, I was like,
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  Oh yeah, I could see why the sequels to this movie are just
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  not that great. Yeah, like, I don't know.
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  The little kid was just as weird as always, and the mom was just
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  as disconnected. As always.
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  Yeah, I don't know. The concept for that whole thing
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  is so good. I feel like it's like it's hard
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  to fuck it up, but they fucked it up.
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  Honestly, I love the Scary Movie 3 version of it where she's like
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  she just keeps forgetting in places.
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  There's a whole movie of her fighting the Grudge people, I
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  think. Really.
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  Yeah, I think so. I think it's either The Grudge
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  People or another type of ghost movie, but it's like Sudeko
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  versus something. Yeah, OK, they get weird.
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  I have to sneeze. OK.
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  That is not coming out. OK, you got it.
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  No, I'm just gonna keep going until it happens.
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  I have a lot of tag lines. I can hear in your voice that
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  you're about to do it. It hurts.
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  Come on, power through. You got this.
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  I have a lot of tag lines. OK, cool.
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  Are you worthy? I'm expecting order them to be
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  at you. And like, this is not even meant
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  to be a real, but like an executive, it's like that one.
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  Put it on the poster with the smeared makeup face at you.
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  He sneezed off, his makeup off. A new game begins.
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  Don't care. Make America Bleed again.
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  Seriously. Yeah, I I need my saw to stay
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  away from that this. Is.
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  Why the fuck would you even do that?
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  Yeah, like, I don't need to hear that shit there.
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  This isn't purge. I was gonna say the one movie
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  series where it's acceptable is The Purge, where they're like
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  straight up tackling that shit. Let's see.
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  Become jigsaw. OK, OK, if you insist.
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  His legacy becomes yours, which I'm pretty sure is a Direct Line
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  from the end of five. Why are they trying to force
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  Jigsaw's legacy and persona on us?
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  We did not ask for that. We just want to see somebody
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  else do it. We wanted Kosis.
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  Let the games begin. OK, of course that's like every
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  Saw movie stag line. These next three, I need you to
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  understand that they are three separate ones, OK?
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  So they make sense together, but they're actually three separate
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  things. You're gonna think I'm saying a
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  continuation of the same tagline, but they are three
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  separate taglines. OK, let's start it.
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  He's everywhere. Is that it?
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  He's everyone. That's.
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  He's everything. Uh, huh.
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  He's Sean Crane. He's just Ken.
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  Is that really it? Those. 3 Yep, Wow.
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  And then, finally, the tradition continues.
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  The tradition. The tradition.
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  What's the tradition? The tradition.
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  The tradition. The tradition.
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  There you go. The one tradition that they talk
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  about in all of the movies. Yeah.
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  OK, Yeah, tradition. The tradition.
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  The tradition, Yeah, yeah, they need to call it jigsaw.
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  The tradition. OK, so fun.
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  Fact. So Josh and Pete actually really
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  wanted to work on the Saw franchise for years.
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  Like they were really, like hoping for an opportunity to get
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  in there somewhere. So in 2013, when Lionsgate
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  announced that they were gonna start thinking about sequel
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  ideas, they were like pitching ideas.
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  They met with Berg and Cools, the the Twisted Pictures
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  producers, and they pitched their idea, and those two really
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  liked it because it had an element from a script that
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  they'd never heard before. And their Josh and Pete's idea
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  was that the survivors of the game, like, you know, they go
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  through, they get out, they're done, whatever, they leave their
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  room and they were actually on an oil Derrick in the middle of
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  the ocean. So they get out and they're
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  still trapped. Why did we not get that thing?
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  Because Lionsgate said no. They didn't want to fund that.
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  Nope. They didn't want to do it.
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  They didn't want to do it. So they had, they had Josh and
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  Pete come up with multiple other pitches and they ended up
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  settling on something that was a time shift, which has been done
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  in multiple Saw movies, but this one being done a little bit
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  differently. I mean, it sounds like it could
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  have been cool, but also at the same time, I'm like, that could
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  have been really lame too. Yeah, and it sounds like they
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  really wanted to do a lot of different things with the
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  franchise. Like they were excited to play
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  around with different ideas, because they also wanted a game
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  to take place completely outdoors.
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  So that was their first script. Once their general storyline was
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  greenlit, took place all outdoors, but they couldn't make
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  it quite work, so they had to go with the barn instead.
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  That sucks. That actually.
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  You know, I've never even thought of it.
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  But yeah, like, outdoors would be cool.
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  I I would. Love to see that, yeah.
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  And I I would like to see like kind of kind of gives me like
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  the hunt vibes. Yeah, I mean, you kind of get
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  that in the opening right, with Edgar because like, his game is
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  kind of going on outside. Yeah, I mean, if you think about
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  the first saw Zeds and the the doctor's house, like he's
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  operating in the free world, basically. 4.
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  Rig, yeah. Yeah, he is running around
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  Sawville. So it's not a thing that can't
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  necessarily be done. But yeah, they were trying to
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  think of a way to do it where it was less claustrophobic than
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  other films I like. To see like, out in the woods,
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  you know what I mean? I feel like that would be,
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  really. Cool.
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  Yeah. And I don't know if my brain is
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  just going there because, you know, we spend so much of the
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  movie in the barn in the middle of the woods that my brain's
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  like woods. So I feel.
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  Like that's probably we had compromise on their part like OK
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  it's it was in the voice but it was put it in a barn that way
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  still has that like feel to it. So like I said, pre production
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  began in 2013. Principal photography didn't
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  begin until October 2016 and went from October to November.
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  Damn, it's been a long time working on.
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  That Yeah is in Toronto and its working title was Saw Legacy,
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  which we saw in the special features.
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  We were watching from the props room where he was referring to
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  it as Saw Legacy. That's why, Speaking of the
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  props, it was actually kind of interesting because they had
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  decided that 3D or the Final Chapter, whatever, it was going
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  to be the final Saw movie. So they sold most of their props
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  so they had to recreate them. They luckily were able to get
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  the original props master to come in and assist with several
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  of them, but like he was talking about the pig mask, they could
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  only find like 2 that they had to get shipped in from Taiwan
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  and they didn't even have the hair.
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  So like, they had to put a lot of work into recreating that,
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  especially since Eleanor has her whole studio with like all the.
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  Other stuff. See that's.
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  When we saw. That I was like, well, I guess
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  that makes sense. We just go to the proper and
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  pull them all out and then he's like, Nope, we didn't have any
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  of them. No, I see.
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  I've never even really thought of that because I guess maybe it
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  comes from me being a Halloween guy, because they never have the
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  same mask. It's always different shit every
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  single movie. I I've just always assumed that
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  they make new stuff each production.
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  Yeah. So that's, I thought that was
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  interesting. Oh, and also something that I
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  never thought of before, but the reason they did buckets in the
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  beginning is because they're on the pig farm and those are
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  feeding buckets I. Never knew that.
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  Yeah, I. Thought it was just a cool
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  design. Choice.
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  I did too. Yeah, like it makes sense.
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  But I when you get the little details like that, it just makes
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  it like you appreciate it just that much more.
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  And I will say this because this is probably, I'm going to say
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  this feels like the most implausible in terms of traps on
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  its face. But when we were watching it
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  last night, I was trying to make everything make sense and I
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  found a way to make it all make sense.
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  And the props masters, when they were putting this stuff
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  together, they actually made these things like functional,
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  like he was talking about the bucket, like had to get unlocked
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  a certain way to come off the head.
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  He demonstrated. Yeah, like he's like, here's the
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  light turns on and then it actually hooks from this right
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  here. Can you imagine if it, like,
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  actually got stuck on a set he's like?
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  Oh God. Just like, yeah, this is OK
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  enough to wear for about an hour or so, but then it becomes
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  really uncomfortable. Yeah, I could see that.
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  I can only imagine a whole day of filming it, especially the
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  guy that's getting dragged along the floor.
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  Yeah, but they're like the scene is not very long, but I guess
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  like, you know, something like that, you'd still have to shoot
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  a shit ton of it. And then I have one final fun
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  fact. Yeah.
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  That I didn't do any further investigation into.
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  I just kind of want to wildly speculate what happened behind
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  the scenes. So this is purely speculation.
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  No, the fact I'm gonna say is very simple, but I want us to
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  speculate how this came happened.
• 19:20
  OK. The film was edited by Kevin
• 19:25
  Greeter. Kevin Greeter Mm hmm.
• 19:29
  The guy that was so pissed I had to come back.
• 19:31
  Yeah. And he that's how we got to
• 19:33
  start. I was edit, OK, what the fuck?
• 19:36
  So they're like demoted now you have to edit these films again.
• 19:39
  I don't think that he even put in a bid to direct again.
• 19:44
  Direct shits so. Let me look him up real quick.
• 19:46
  I'm kind of. Curious.
• 19:47
  He did socks. Did he?
• 19:50
  Pretty sure. Wait, I think you're right.
• 19:52
  Yeah, Kevin. Sure about that.
• 19:54
  That's why. Sure, about that.
• 19:57
  Yeah. So, I don't know.
• 19:59
  Yeah. He did saw and.
• 20:00
  I mean, he's been involved in every single Saw movie, so I
• 20:03
  wonder if it was like a for him thing, like he wanted his.
• 20:06
  It's his Saw legacy. He's got enough.
• 20:08
  Yeah, I think you could be right.
• 20:10
  Yeah, but like, he's got like a decent little filmography here
• 20:13
  of, like being an editor. He edited The Strangers.
• 20:18
  The Collector. God damn dude.
• 20:21
  Yeah, I mean, I like this guy's work.
• 20:23
  I know some people are nervous about.
• 20:26
  I saw this great discussion on Dreaded where people were
• 20:28
  nervous about him coming back for Saw 11 because they're like
• 20:31
  he did great on Saw Six, but then Saw Seven was a flop.
• 20:34
  Saw X was great. What's gonna happen was Saw 11.
• 20:37
  And a lot of people are like, you know, he fucking hated
• 20:39
  everything about Saw 3D, as did everybody else.
• 20:43
  Yeah, he was like. That was not a labor of love for
• 20:46
  anyone. So last minute attached to that,
• 20:49
  yeah, I don't. I think you can give him a pass
• 20:51
  on that one. He has been really solid for the
• 20:53
  franchise. Yeah.
• 20:54
  And if you guys wanna learn more about that back story, just go
• 20:56
  listen to our Saw 3D episode. Even if you hate the movie, if
• 21:00
  you're like, I'm skipping this song because I hate the movie,
• 21:01
  Yeah, Go and listen to it. Because I think we had some good
• 21:04
  discussion about it. Yeah.
• 21:05
  Definitely. All right, Travis.
• 21:07
  Yeah. Now it's time for a good, bad,
• 21:09
  ugly and absurd. And I'm.
• 21:11
  I'm excited about this because I've got some good ones in mind.
• 21:14
  OK, so one of the things that I really enjoyed about this one is
• 21:19
  like, I feel like it has like a brand new look to it.
• 21:22
  It looks a lot more clean and it looks well polished this time
• 21:26
  around. And I know a lot of the old Saw
• 21:29
  movies are supposed to be grimy and they're, you know, nasty
• 21:33
  looking all the time. Sawville, you know, maybe there
• 21:36
  was just a little bit of gentrification.
• 21:39
  In the past. 10 years. Yeah, you got to have also
• 21:42
  recognized that there's been 10 years of like difference here,
• 21:45
  so things are a little bit more doable, like you got
• 21:49
  technological advances and film and stuff like that.
• 21:53
  But no, it it looks awesome. I think that the gore levels in
• 21:57
  this movie are pretty solid. Yeah.
• 21:59
  Like, the effects look great whenever we see the bucket head
• 22:02
  person chopped in half. Oh my God.
• 22:04
  So. I was thinking about that.
• 22:06
  And that's one of those things, because obviously we also love
• 22:08
  the joyride series and Rusty's whole thing is pulling off jaws
• 22:12
  and you don't ever get a strong shot at it.
• 22:15
  So it was nice to just, like, plopped there on the table for a
• 22:18
  whole scene of dialogue and like, you're just looking at
• 22:21
  someone's jaw. It's pretty gnarly, and not only
• 22:24
  that, but like other shit that goes down later too, yeah?
• 22:26
  Like the the hydrofluoric acid face.
• 22:29
  That whenever the dude gets his leg ripped off by the wires,
• 22:33
  it's pretty gnarly to watch. Yeah, there's a lot of good
• 22:36
  tense scenes too. Like that whole scene of him
• 22:38
  trying to do that, Like reach for the lever while they're
• 22:41
  being trapped in the silo. You gotta feel like you.
• 22:45
  Like on the one hand, you're screaming at him.
• 22:47
  You're like, you need to do this to save those other two people.
• 22:50
  You can't let them die because of you.
• 22:52
  But on the other hand, I get it. Yeah, there's like that
• 22:54
  psychological block there, Like this is going to fucking hurt
• 22:57
  me. It's already hurting me.
• 22:59
  If they wanted to treat him like he treated Carly, they could
• 23:02
  have just pulled the lever for him.
• 23:03
  Well, they were trapped in the silo.
• 23:05
  Well, I mean, they weren't beforehand.
• 23:08
  Was the was the lever there then?
• 23:10
  Yeah. OK, I think so.
• 23:11
  I don't remember. Pretty sure it was.
• 23:13
  I don't think he knew that he had to pull the lever.
• 23:15
  To get free? Probably not, but.
• 23:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:18
  So, yeah, I mean, there's just like a lot of like good stuff
• 23:20
  with it here. Like, I I generally have a
• 23:24
  pretty good time watching this movie.
• 23:26
  It's pretty well put together. I, you know, I like it
• 23:28
  especially, but the like, I feel like they're going for like a
• 23:31
  soft reboot type thing here. Like, they're continuing the
• 23:34
  story, but they also want to like kind of have like a reset.
• 23:37
  And that's definitely how it was referred to was like that.
• 23:40
  It's a reboot of the franchise, so.
• 23:42
  Yeah, you can tell. Yeah.
• 23:43
  Yeah, like they want like a fresh break.
• 23:46
  And that's why, like you, the only returning character you
• 23:48
  have from the entire thing is John, like everybody else is
• 23:52
  brand new here. So yeah, that's pretty much it
• 23:54
  for my good stuff. My good the The Stolberg
• 23:59
  Goldfinger writing duo is like their S tier in this household.
• 24:05
  We, yeah, we we like like generally all of their stuff.
• 24:07
  Yes. Yeah, they have a great love for
• 24:10
  horror and gore and gross shit, but they also have a really good
• 24:13
  sense of humor about it. And you can kind of feel that
• 24:16
  playfulness in this movie. Now.
• 24:18
  We said, I don't remember if it was the last movie or the movie
• 24:21
  before that, maybe even the movie before that, where these
• 24:23
  start getting more and more outlandish and less grounded.
• 24:27
  And I said fucking do it. You know, send Roman and Tej
• 24:30
  into space. Yeah, yeah, I am OK with it.
• 24:33
  I'm on board with this franchise to get as wild as it was, and
• 24:37
  I'm OK with all of the leaps and logic in this movie.
• 24:41
  And you can. Kind of like I was able to make
• 24:44
  it work while watching it this time.
• 24:46
  So I can't wave it away kind of like make like your own little
• 24:48
  connections, like, OK, that makes sense.
• 24:50
  Yes. So like, OK, this movie here is
• 24:53
  like a prequel, right? Like this is before the very
• 24:56
  first game in Saw one. So the game we're watching play,
• 25:00
  yes, that is before the very first one.
• 25:03
  However, the actual like maybe part with Logan and everything.
• 25:06
  That's all going on years. Later.
• 25:08
  Yeah, I knew that much. I'm talking about, yeah, the
• 25:10
  game part. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
• 25:11
  So I think because there's a part of me that's like, well,
• 25:14
  how does the saw Blake know when there's blood on it?
• 25:17
  Like and then at the end when they've got the shotgun, he's
• 25:21
  like, I'll be listening. And I was like, oh shit, he's
• 25:23
  just been chilling in there the whole time.
• 25:24
  He's been like manually releasing stuff.
• 25:26
  That's why when the needles go in, he just releases their shot.
• 25:29
  It's not like the the needles have any like magic thing in
• 25:32
  them to let the shackles know to be released as if John was
• 25:35
  there, he was present and we've known that.
• 25:37
  He likes watching the games play out.
• 25:39
  It was Costas that likes to set a timer and run around and do
• 25:41
  other stuff anyway. I think he only did that when he
• 25:43
  was like he had like the fuzz on his shit, you know what I mean?
• 25:46
  Like otherwise he had that little hole when he was
• 25:49
  watching. Yeah, so I was like, I finally
• 25:53
  made that connection last night. I was like that makes so much of
• 25:55
  this makes sense, cuz otherwise it seems a little bit more like
• 25:57
  a fantasy land like. A little cut.
• 26:00
  Will make the. Door magically open now, dummy.
• 26:03
  He's just watching the whole time.
• 26:04
  Just me calling myself a dummy. Although if it applies to you,
• 26:06
  please feel free to take that title for yourself as well.
• 26:09
  Yeah, like it's just one of those things.
• 26:11
  Plus, this movie will also be the movie that we convinced my
• 26:13
  brother-in-law to go watch a horror movie in theaters.
• 26:16
  Him and my older sister were not married yet, but my mom came up
• 26:19
  to watch this with us and he agreed to come to the theater
• 26:21
  with us. And he sent the entire the
• 26:23
  entire movie curled up in a ball in his chair, going I.
• 26:28
  Wonder if he was like, it's a horror movie, but it's not Saw,
• 26:31
  it's Jigsaw. So this is like a different
• 26:33
  thing. No, I'm.
• 26:34
  I'm pretty sure he told Morgan. He was not looking forward to it
• 26:37
  at all, but he was going because he loves her and he wanted to
• 26:40
  like get along with her family. It was nice.
• 26:42
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:43
  No, I I mean, obviously I love him.
• 26:45
  He's a good. He's a.
• 26:46
  He's a good egg. He's a.
• 26:48
  Good part of the family, so and he he kind of got out of his
• 26:51
  obligation of going and watching horror movies pretty early on.
• 26:55
  Yeah. I mean, it's not an obligation
• 26:56
  with us, but it's highly encouraged, yeah.
• 26:58
  Yeah. OK.
• 27:00
  Is that all you feel? Good?
• 27:01
  Yes, yeah, that. Those are the main things.
• 27:04
  Like, it's just the overall vibe of it.
• 27:06
  Plus, it's just so glad to have saw back, you know?
• 27:08
  I'm never going to be mad when they reboot it.
• 27:10
  No, I'm not either. I'm no like, I'm one of those
• 27:13
  people. Like, if there's a franchise
• 27:15
  that I love, keep going. I don't.
• 27:17
  Give a Yeah you've you've openly said that you will watch the
• 27:20
  Halloween 78 or whatever like. I'll I'll watch them all.
• 27:23
  Wait, what do you mean Halloween 78?
• 27:25
  Like 78 sequels. I realized when I said 78 that
• 27:28
  that's. The Yeah, I was like, yeah, of
• 27:30
  course I'm going to watch that movie.
• 27:31
  That movie is like, amazing. No, I just went with like a
• 27:33
  really high number. And yes, subconsciously, that's
• 27:37
  the one memory. Came up.
• 27:38
  Yeah, I'll. I'll watch them all.
• 27:39
  Same with Fast and Furious. Same with Saw.
• 27:41
  You know, just anything. Yeah, I love it.
• 27:43
  Yeah. OK, So bad stuff.
• 27:47
  I don't necessarily think our new batch of characters are that
• 27:50
  interesting, if I am being honest with myself and everybody
• 27:54
  here. Doctor Logan don't really care
• 27:57
  for him, and he's supposed to be he's.
• 27:59
  Doctor Nelson? Really.
• 28:00
  Whatever, His name is Logan, and he's a doctor.
• 28:03
  Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, and he is not like he's
• 28:07
  supposed to be the new Jigsaw. And I just don't really find him
• 28:10
  interesting as a character or as a jigsaw, like if he's going to
• 28:14
  be the guy that we were supposed to be following after this.
• 28:17
  I'm not on board with that. It's just it's flat for me.
• 28:21
  I wish they would have set up Eleanor as the as The Apprentice
• 28:26
  or whatever. It made so much sense.
• 28:28
  Yeah, and I get that it it made so much sense.
• 28:30
  It's too obvious. But.
• 28:31
  No, just go with it, man. I don't care if it's that
• 28:34
  obvious. Like, she doesn't have to, like,
• 28:37
  be super good at covering it up. She's just a fucking jigsaw.
• 28:40
  Look at Costa. Yeah, exactly.
• 28:43
  Like they found him out pretty fucking fast.
• 28:45
  And he was very obvious about stuff like he was.
• 28:48
  He made it pretty clear to people that he was jigsaw.
• 28:50
  Like he wanted to flaunt it, but he didn't want people to.
• 28:53
  Like, actually he want to say it.
• 28:55
  He wanted people to find out himself.
• 28:56
  Wow, Jigsaw. He's really talented, amazing.
• 28:58
  And he kills all these terrible people.
• 29:00
  Wow. It looks like it's almost like
• 29:01
  he's like, really good at like vigilante justice like Batman.
• 29:04
  I don't want to say he's Batman, but you know.
• 29:06
  But I will say he's got some big sexy lips like Kosis.
• 29:12
  You should talking about yourself here, like you know.
• 29:15
  I've got big. Sexy lips.
• 29:19
  Thank. You you think I could be jigsaw?
• 29:22
  You think I could be Batman? You think you do?
• 29:23
  Yeah, my parents. And sister are dead.
• 29:28
  OK, weird. Donnie, I'm sure you guys were
• 29:34
  worried that when we left the Costas era that we would stop
• 29:37
  talking about Costas, but don't worry.
• 29:40
  Hey, is the Costas era done? I'm not.
• 29:43
  Really not. Clear.
• 29:44
  I'm not revealing anything is Ghost is going to come back in
• 29:47
  any of these future movies. If you've not seen them, I'm not
• 29:49
  telling you. If you have seen them, you know
• 29:51
  the answer. Yeah.
• 29:54
  I mean, like, that's it for the bad.
• 29:56
  Like, I don't know. Like, I just don't necessarily
• 29:58
  feel like it was put in a good position to keep going if we
• 30:04
  were to be following this cast of people.
• 30:05
  I like Eleanor, but like, I don't know, I she was just, if
• 30:10
  she wasn't gonna be jigsaw. I just didn't really care as
• 30:12
  much. You know what I mean?
• 30:13
  Yeah, my problem with this movie is John and Logan's
• 30:19
  relationship, because Logan says John decided somebody shouldn't
• 30:24
  die for an honest mistake and I call.
• 30:27
  Bullshit. Yeah, I know.
• 30:30
  This is early. It doesn't even matter.
• 30:33
  He'd already decided to start killing people at this point.
• 30:36
  That's true. He.
• 30:36
  Did, yeah. Depressions.
• 30:39
  Not an honest mistake. It's a moral feeling.
• 30:41
  But fucking up at your job? Oh, it's okay.
• 30:44
  It doesn't matter. It's going to kill me.
• 30:45
  I feel like they're trying to do, like, revisionist history
• 30:47
  right here. Like, no, I never said that.
• 30:49
  I love people. I never want to hurt people.
• 30:52
  Well, and then, like, at the end, when it shows flashbacks of
• 30:54
  them working together to set up other traps, he's like, we're
• 30:59
  not punishing people. We're helping them see the air
• 31:01
  of the way. And we're trying to, you know,
• 31:03
  get some, some retribution for the dead.
• 31:06
  We speak for the dead now. And John's like, yeah, we don't
• 31:09
  act out of anger. We act out of like, revenge for
• 31:13
  the dead or whatever. You taught me that.
• 31:15
  That was. So that dialogue I was like,
• 31:17
  what the? The fuck is this?
• 31:18
  Yeah. Like the guy, like looked over,
• 31:21
  like he was crying and he looked at John's like, what the fuck?
• 31:24
  It blew my mind. That's the that's.
• 31:27
  What kind of like falls there for me?
• 31:30
  I like. I wish it had been something
• 31:32
  like he begged for mercy or something for Jigsaw, like did
• 31:38
  something to prove his worthiness to be an apprentice
• 31:41
  other than just like, oh, it's an honest mistake, you know?
• 31:45
  It just, it doesn't line up with anything that's gone on in the
• 31:49
  past. It's just, yeah, it's so.
• 31:50
  Bored. And I mean, there's a lot that
• 31:52
  we can say about it. Like, I think the like the way
• 31:55
  the tapes are, the clues are so much more obvious.
• 31:58
  There's almost like no clue to it, basically.
• 32:01
  And I think that makes sense from a timeline standpoint.
• 32:03
  If this is one of his first games, it makes sense that he is
• 32:06
  not gonna be as sneaky with how he's telling people what to do.
• 32:11
  I guess. 'Cause like at the beginning,
• 32:12
  where he's like an offering of blood any amount.
• 32:16
  Oh. He's he's being kind of clear
• 32:18
  about. Things.
• 32:19
  Like, what's a life worth to you?
• 32:21
  And it's pretty clear, like what that means, like those clues or
• 32:24
  key to your salvation is right here, like all of those things.
• 32:28
  That one is tough. That 1A.
• 32:29
  Little bit. That one is tough.
• 32:31
  You don't know that until like you see afterwards.
• 32:34
  Like if anybody called that whenever that happened, well,
• 32:37
  one, your condition because you've seen them shit ton saw
• 32:39
  movies already. But two, I'm calling them
• 32:42
  bullshit. But my point is that like the
• 32:44
  way the the tapes are written, you can easily be like, well
• 32:48
  this is because it's an earlier game and I actually think that's
• 32:51
  smart to do it that way. But yeah, just the whole mentor
• 32:55
  mentee talk at the end is just that's the one thing I can't
• 32:59
  make fit in my head the right way.
• 33:01
  I. Thought it was kind of bullshit
• 33:02
  how he was able to piece together like past clips of
• 33:06
  John, like his tape recordings, and it all sounded natural.
• 33:11
  Like, not disjointed, like it sounded like, And a shot of him
• 33:15
  doing it on his computer. He's just like, smiling.
• 33:17
  It's just like, what the fuck is this like?
• 33:19
  It just. Looks so weird.
• 33:20
  Frustrated because he can't get rid of like a tiny little audio
• 33:23
  blip. Like he keeps deleting too much
• 33:25
  and not enough. Like hello.
• 33:27
  We do this every week. Like we know how frustrating it
• 33:30
  is to edit. It's not.
• 33:32
  Yeah. It would be like, OK, I get it.
• 33:35
  You wanted to see him like, oh, it's all seamless.
• 33:38
  This is like, is this the beginning, like the very, like
• 33:40
  the 110 years ago? Or is this the one that's going
• 33:42
  on today? But I feel like it would be kind
• 33:44
  of cool and unsettling to have, like, the weird jankiness of,
• 33:49
  like, taking different clips from his previous tapes where
• 33:52
  he's having, like, different inflections that don't match the
• 33:55
  previous word. Yeah, and like, it comes across
• 33:58
  as like, you know, weird and not natural.
• 34:01
  Like, it could really give you, like, an unsettling feeling.
• 34:04
  I'm just saying, you guys know that I watch a lot of reality
• 34:06
  TV. You can pick a part when a
• 34:09
  talking head has been edited to hell and back.
• 34:12
  I. Can now.
• 34:13
  But I think it's because I've been doing this like back in the
• 34:15
  day. Like, I never really understood
• 34:17
  it, but now I can. Frankenstein Shit.
• 34:19
  That's what they call it on there.
• 34:20
  Like Frankensteining dialogue. Because yeah, you can do that.
• 34:25
  All right. All right, ugly.
• 34:27
  Ugly. Ugly.
• 34:30
  I I don't know like what is ugly about this movie.
• 34:34
  Police corruption. Baby murdering, spousal framing.
• 34:38
  That whole thing was really bad. That whole, like hers was the
• 34:41
  darkest, where she just like straight up strangled her baby
• 34:44
  and then framed her husband. Cold about it too.
• 34:48
  Shoes. OK, so today we took the cats to
• 34:49
  the vet and they're both like Scout's pissed off.
• 34:53
  Zoe is like so terrified she's almost retreated within herself
• 34:57
  like so Scout while we're in the waiting room.
• 35:01
  The whole time it's just going. They come and take Zoe, and as
• 35:05
  soon as Zoe's gone, Scout lays down.
• 35:08
  She loves herself. She starts purring a little bit.
• 35:10
  And I was like, damn, that is. Cold.
• 35:13
  You're willing to just throw? Zoe under the bus so you don't
• 35:16
  have to go. Back to the vet's office.
• 35:18
  That's Anna. Yeah.
• 35:20
  That's Anna. Pretty much, yeah.
• 35:23
  A little bit different, but. Not that different.
• 35:26
  Not that different, no. But yeah, that's probably the
• 35:28
  darkest thing. Like, I feel like the police
• 35:31
  would be suspicious too, because the look that she was giving him
• 35:34
  when he was being arrested, like it wasn't even she wasn't even
• 35:36
  sad that her kid died or that her husband did that.
• 35:39
  Like, you know, she's just like stone faced like, yeah, guess
• 35:42
  I'll have to go buy another baby.
• 35:46
  Where's the baby store again? Yeah.
• 35:47
  The story What's your ugly? My ugly.
• 35:51
  I mean, I I was naming a lot of them.
• 35:53
  Oh, OK, Yeah, yeah, there was all of that also.
• 35:56
  OK, so we'll talk about Elenar a little bit, this weird shrine
• 36:01
  she has to a serial killer. Yeah.
• 36:04
  Because here's the thing. We like true crime.
• 36:07
  And we've talked before that there's a very thin line to
• 36:09
  cross between, like being interested in true crime versus
• 36:12
  like idolizing serial killers or exploiting victims.
• 36:18
  And she's definitely, she's crossed that line by, like,
• 36:22
  leaps and bounds, you know? She would be if he was alive and
• 36:26
  in jail. She would be like the girls that
• 36:28
  are in love with the Columbine shooters, where they send them
• 36:30
  like love letters and shit. Yeah, she'd be one of those
• 36:33
  people that just like. Like Ted Bundy or like she would
• 36:36
  definitely have like a jigsaw podcast, The Saw cast.
• 36:41
  Hey, man, we're talking all kinds about Jigsaw here.
• 36:44
  But it's not real. Yeah, it's not real.
• 36:47
  I don't have a problem with covering shit like that, but
• 36:49
  like to the point where you're you.
• 36:51
  Have to do it respect. She has like, an infatuation
• 36:54
  with the entire thing. She is so, like, she's like
• 36:57
  doing all the traps herself. Like, that's an unhealthy
• 37:00
  obsession with that. And I think a lot of the things
• 37:03
  that it comes down to, too, is when we listen to that stuff and
• 37:07
  when we talk about it with each other, we both come at it from a
• 37:09
  very like, victim first perspective.
• 37:13
  Because you're like, oh man, it's so fucked up that this
• 37:14
  happened to this person. And sort of like, Oh my God, did
• 37:17
  you hear about this killer who's doing this and this and this and
• 37:19
  this? But it's like, but what about
• 37:21
  the people that it's happening to?
• 37:23
  And we're also like, not profiting off of it, or just
• 37:25
  being, like, weirdly building replicas of murder machines.
• 37:31
  Yeah, yeah. It's just a whole other level.
• 37:33
  Of there's like a whole like line of what is the line and
• 37:37
  where does it become, you know, a problem and unethical and she?
• 37:42
  Crossed it. She crossed it a while back.
• 37:45
  She has a website, calledjigsawrules.com.
• 37:48
  Like, what the fuck is that? That's the only name.
• 37:50
  First of all, doesn't. Have the website.
• 37:51
  She's just an active participant.
• 37:53
  I have a feeling, however, she does rent an entire building.
• 37:58
  Just for this, yeah. Just for this, yeah.
• 38:01
  How the fuck does she afford that?
• 38:02
  I don't know what I have to imagine.
• 38:05
  This two person mortician team in Sawville has to stay pretty
• 38:10
  fucking busy. Sawville has like a shit ton of
• 38:12
  vacant buildings that are primed for this type of shit.
• 38:15
  That's so true and. Like nobody lives in Sawville.
• 38:18
  It's just like empty buildings. It's kind of like in sauce sauce
• 38:22
  Scream Sticks, where they have like that whole empty movie
• 38:26
  theater for the Shrine of Ghost Faces.
• 38:29
  Pets. I mean that.
• 38:31
  But that at. Least they do talk about the
• 38:33
  money aspect of it, everything at least a little bit.
• 38:35
  They kind of hand wave it away, but they do.
• 38:37
  They really, they hand wave a lot of shit away in that movie.
• 38:40
  I don't care. It's so fun.
• 38:41
  Same with this right here. I don't give a shit.
• 38:42
  Yeah, like. You know, it's still fun.
• 38:45
  All right. What's your absurd?
• 38:46
  Thank you for fixing that. I've been staring at it for the
• 38:49
  past half hour. There's my little Legos of
• 38:53
  Captain Spaulding and me that Jesse got me of me being
• 38:56
  Michael. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:58
  And Loomis is shooting. Us Loomis is shooting you.
• 39:00
  Know us? Oh yeah, you're not alone
• 39:03
  anymore. Right.
• 39:05
  I think, OK, one of the absurd things about this movie is like,
• 39:07
  this is supposed to be his very first one, right?
• 39:09
  Very like before the games that we get in the 1st movies.
• 39:13
  This shit's so complex for a trial run, if that's what it's
• 39:17
  supposed to be. So I kind of went back and forth
• 39:20
  with it because I was like, yeah, back in the good old days,
• 39:24
  we just had like a simple razor wire.
• 39:26
  Bear trap one person at a time. He's not like orchestrating
• 39:30
  these massive like 5 people trap machines.
• 39:33
  But then I was thinking about it and he's an engineer and he's
• 39:37
  got his ex wife's pig farm that's been decommissioned and
• 39:40
  nobody's been in and maybe just a little bit of engineering fun.
• 39:43
  He's going around and building contraptions and.
• 39:47
  Where does he get the supplies for this gigantic fucking
• 39:50
  machine that's operated by a motorcycle?
• 39:53
  Where does he get the supplies for any of his shit?
• 39:56
  Yeah, I mean, that's a valid question, but I think this one,
• 39:59
  especially this is like a God damn masterpiece that he has
• 40:03
  there. Like, it's fucking insane.
• 40:05
  I'm going to say something that makes me feel stupid.
• 40:07
  For a long time I thought that the little spiral thing was red
• 40:11
  because it was moving so fast, like it was heating up.
• 40:13
  And then when I saw it still and it was still red, I was like,
• 40:15
  oh, it's just painted to look like a spiral.
• 40:19
  I thought that this one was too, so now I'm just as stupid as you
• 40:22
  were. Also, like in the silo, like
• 40:26
  when all that shit's falling down, like, is he doing?
• 40:31
  He's just on the. Other side he's like.
• 40:35
  But when he's like from two different sides and he's going
• 40:37
  to, like, throw shits on him, he's just got to run back for
• 40:39
  her, which is like everywhere. Yeah, it's just like, I don't
• 40:43
  know, it's way too convoluted for this to be back then, I
• 40:48
  mean. A lot of those are just like
• 40:50
  simple pulleys though, really. It's not that simple.
• 40:55
  Not a lot of in. Terms.
• 40:57
  Of like physics. Yeah, I mean, gathering all the
• 41:00
  supplies. Yeah, that's a beast.
• 41:01
  Don't get me wrong with that, but.
• 41:03
  Just remember though, where we were in saw one and two.
• 41:08
  I know. OK, that's where I'm basically.
• 41:10
  I know, I understand. And then saw a franchise.
• 41:12
  You got to one up the last one, OK?
• 41:14
  You got to keep getting more and more grand with your shit.
• 41:17
  And because if we didn't, then the time shift thing would be
• 41:19
  more obvious, like if it was too simple.
• 41:21
  No, I think that you could frame it like soft reboot.
• 41:25
  We're going back to basics. You know what I mean?
• 41:27
  That's a good point. Yeah, Like, I feel like it would
• 41:29
  have made sense. And honestly, I feel like it
• 41:30
  would have been better to just have it be like a little bit
• 41:33
  more basic. Personally, that's just my
• 41:35
  preference. OK.
• 41:37
  What's your absurd? So do you remember in Saw Two
• 41:40
  when it was very clearly stated by ABI that his name is
• 41:44
  pronounced ABI? Yes.
• 41:45
  And everybody kept calling him Obi, including Jigsaw, who hired
• 41:49
  him to collect the people. Yeah.
• 41:51
  And in his tape he was like, OK, Obi.
• 41:53
  OK, Obi. Yeah, it's Obi.
• 41:55
  Thanks, Obi. Thanks.
• 41:56
  Obi So Anna introduces herself multiple times as Anna says it a
• 42:01
  lot, and then John Kramer, her neighbor that they know she
• 42:07
  helped take care of him when he was recovering from
• 42:09
  chemotherapy. He says.
• 42:10
  OK, Anna. Anna.
• 42:16
  Did Jigsaw somehow see Frozen? That would have that would have
• 42:22
  come out after he died. But I don't know It's.
• 42:25
  No, it wouldn't have. This is like way back in time.
• 42:29
  That's what I'm saying. It would have come out after he
• 42:30
  died. Oh, I think he said.
• 42:31
  Like winning when he died. Like right around that again.
• 42:34
  I just, I don't know. Maybe he knew somebody at
• 42:36
  Disney. He could have.
• 42:37
  What if, and what if, before he became a mass murderer, John
• 42:42
  Kramer was an imagineer? An Imagineer?
• 42:46
  What's an Imagineer? The engineers at Disney.
• 42:48
  Oh shit, dude, what the fuck? That could be the thing.
• 42:52
  Like they're like they had the plans for Frozen way back in the
• 42:54
  day, like. He's like Anna and she like
• 42:56
  she's like my name is Anna. Why do you keep calling me Anna?
• 42:58
  He goes, you'll understand someday.
• 43:01
  Actually, no you won't. You're gonna die here.
• 43:03
  I guess I never got her name until the last scene.
• 43:09
  And I'm like Anna. I'm like Anna.
• 43:11
  OK, well. No.
• 43:13
  And she says it early on. And here's another ugly for this
• 43:16
  movie, it's all the fucking men referring to women as sweetheart
• 43:20
  and honey. Yeah, that shit is so demeaning
• 43:24
  because you don't do that to men.
• 43:26
  No. Well, I think he does.
• 43:28
  She calls him that. She's like, hey, there you go
• 43:30
  sweetheart. Yeah, well, she's doing it like
• 43:32
  passive. Aggressive.
• 43:32
  Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:34
  So, yeah, she's like Anna. Anna.
• 43:37
  Yeah, these are they're all shitty people.
• 43:40
  Yeah. So it makes sense.
• 43:42
  So yeah, that's my, that's my absurd.
• 43:44
  Is that John Kramer still John Kramer in the way he's going to
• 43:48
  Kramer? He's that's just all he does.
• 43:49
  Yeah. OK, cool.
• 43:51
  Well, our time to rate it. I still like this movie.
• 43:55
  I think it's like a pretty solid Saw movie.
• 43:58
  I mean, it's a solid movie altogether.
• 43:59
  I think I'd give it like a 725. 725 I was gonna, I was gonna
• 44:06
  give it an eighth. It's 8th movie.
• 44:08
  I like it. Well enough.
• 44:09
  OK, that's fitting. That's so average 7.75.
• 44:16
  It's not gonna be 7.7, maybe it is gonna be 7.75.
• 44:20
  It is 7.75. Yes.
• 44:22
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  Police are chasing a wanted suspect.
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  They have a barricade strip. It looks really creepy rolled up
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  and it also looks creepy unrolled.
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  And it does 0 to stop this Edgar Munson fucker from crashing into
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  everything and everyone. Yeah, those spikes are supposed
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  to be super effective, but like they this guy really showed
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  them. It's like Nah, that's not like a
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  flat is. And I'll show you.
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  I'll show these spikes. Yeah.
• 48:21
  So yeah, there's a guy, he's got a game going on.
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  He's running around on top of this building.
• 48:26
  Yeah, he like, he goes into a warehouse and the police are
• 48:29
  chasing him on foot. He sees an ex.
• 48:31
  So he follows that up to the top of the building and he grabs
• 48:33
  like a little. It's like a remote gun type
• 48:36
  thing. It's not like a Pew Pew.
• 48:37
  Gun. It's like.
• 48:38
  A controller detonator? Yeah, is a thing, because, like,
• 48:41
  this sounds stupid. But playing video games like
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  Battlefield, like I've blew shit up with one of these things many
• 48:47
  times, yeah? Yeah, and he's like detective
• 48:49
  how to run. And they're like, you need to
• 48:51
  say more words than that. And he goes, Detective, how five
• 48:55
  people will die. And Holleran appears with
• 48:58
  probably my favorite line delivery in this entire movie,
• 49:00
  which is Edgar. What the fuck?
• 49:02
  Like. This is What the fuck are you
• 49:06
  doing here, buddy? This isn't supposed to be going
• 49:07
  down right now. Yeah.
• 49:09
  And basically he's like, you gotta, you gotta listen to me or
• 49:14
  we're going to be in a lot of trouble and he goes, Nope, we're
• 49:16
  going to take you down. And he's like, OK, so he hits
• 49:19
  the trigger at the same time. Everybody shoots at his hand.
• 49:21
  His hand kind of blows off a little bit.
• 49:24
  It blows up, but I think he also manages to push the button while
• 49:27
  it blows up. Yes, and he gets shot in the
• 49:30
  chest and Halloran's like who the fuck shot him in the chest?
• 49:32
  We weren't meant to do that. I.
• 49:34
  Think it should be pretty easy to tell, right?
• 49:37
  Here's the thing, too, is that cops aren't necessarily known
• 49:40
  for Sean Rashight. No.
• 49:43
  Shouldn't cops at this time also be wearing body cams?
• 49:46
  I think that I think that went into effect a little bit later.
• 49:49
  I don't know, man. This is 2017.
• 49:51
  That's true, Okay. So meanwhile, we see the game
• 49:54
  starting and it's all these bucket heads.
• 49:56
  And no, not that bucket head, but just, you know, just
• 50:00
  run-of-the-mill bucket heads. Yeah, not a KFC bucket, but a
• 50:03
  pig bucket. Yeah, that's what we got here.
• 50:05
  Still slop either way. That's one of the things about
• 50:08
  Buckethead that always made me, like, discuss.
• 50:10
  I'm sure he watched it, but like, the thing that always made
• 50:13
  me uncomfortable is like, that's got to be greasy.
• 50:16
  The Cinemark at the Fayette Mall.
• 50:18
  I'm calling them all out by name here.
• 50:20
  They have signs in their bathrooms that say please do not
• 50:26
  wash out your popcorn bucket in the sink.
• 50:31
  So that tells me that people are reusing their popcorn buckets.
• 50:34
  And also brief moment to that time in life when I worked at a
• 50:38
  McDonald's and there were people that kept their Styrofoam 32
• 50:42
  ounce cups. And this is when all drinks were
• 50:45
  a dollar regardless of size and they would keep those and rinse
• 50:49
  them out and get refills day after day.
• 50:51
  That's. Disgusting.
• 50:52
  Why? The fuck.
• 50:52
  Would you do that? How is that not deteriorating on
• 50:54
  you? OK anyway.
• 50:57
  OK, so all right, so they wake up, they're kind of confused.
• 51:02
  We get a message saying that they're all there because they
• 51:05
  denied culpability of shit that they've done in the past.
• 51:08
  Actually I think the whole quote's on IMDb if we want to
• 51:10
  read the entire. Sure.
• 51:10
  Let's do it. I feel like that that's a better
• 51:12
  effect. Yeah, that's always fun to do,
• 51:14
  yeah. I'm sure you're all wondering
• 51:16
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• 51:18
  Effect on me. I can try.
• 51:19
  I mean, I that's how I did the intro for the whole podcast, you
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  know? I'm sure you're all wondering
• 51:25
  why you're here. You deny culpability, no doubt,
• 51:27
  for the circumstances in which you find yourself, salvation can
• 51:30
  be yours. If you cleanse yourself on the
• 51:32
  habitual lies that have brought you here, lies that you've told
• 51:36
  yourselves, lies that you've brutalized others confess.
• 51:39
  The truth will set you free. But any attempt to violate my
• 51:42
  rules will kill you. I want to play a game first.
• 51:45
  An offering of blood, no matter how little, will give you a
• 51:48
  green light to escape this room with your lives.
• 51:51
  If you can release yourself from your demons, you can begin to
• 51:53
  shed the chains that those demons bring with them.
• 51:56
  Make the simple blood sacrifice that I've requested or face
• 51:58
  severe consequences. The choice is yours.
• 52:02
  So, all right, there are five of them there.
• 52:04
  They're all freaking out. One person is still unconscious.
• 52:07
  Not freaking out yet. I love.
• 52:08
  This. I no, I love this.
• 52:11
  I love this touch. If somebody still being
• 52:13
  unconscious and then being dragged by that, there's
• 52:15
  something about that. Just watching that, that makes
• 52:17
  it makes you feel a little bit uneasy.
• 52:19
  And especially, like, because it's not just that.
• 52:21
  Like, he's a real heavy sleeper or whatever.
• 52:23
  Like other people are trying to wake him up.
• 52:24
  Yeah, exactly. They're like slapping him.
• 52:26
  Yeah, he's just being dragged there.
• 52:28
  But like, I don't know. There's something about that.
• 52:29
  I liked it. It was a really nice touch.
• 52:31
  And Anna figures it out pretty quickly.
• 52:34
  She's like simple sacrifice of pled, no matter how small.
• 52:38
  I mean just repeating the. Yeah, Whoa.
• 52:40
  She's like, she's proud of herself.
• 52:41
  She solved the jigsaw. And I do love this.
• 52:43
  Effect. That it's because it's saw
• 52:46
  blades. Like, even if you want to do a
• 52:48
  small cut, it's going to be a big cut.
• 52:50
  It's kind of like when I, you know, gave myself this beautiful
• 52:53
  scar on my hand from Talia's nail grinder with that much
• 52:56
  momentum, you just can't avoid it.
• 52:58
  So she gets a nice big cut on her arm.
• 53:00
  Mitch next to her, holds up his fingy.
• 53:03
  What are you? What is the game plan there,
• 53:05
  Mitchell? No, I get.
• 53:06
  I get it. He's going for a small nick
• 53:08
  there and you can do it. If you just barely put it there
• 53:11
  and that's what you're going for, You can just get like a
• 53:13
  little nick on it and I think that you would be OK.
• 53:16
  He stumbles though, because it hits the chain and it just like
• 53:19
  yeah, gets his whole arm. Yeah, and Anna is trying to
• 53:23
  like, she's trying to help everybody.
• 53:25
  And they're all kind of in a panic.
• 53:26
  And it's moving really quickly. Ryan manages to figure it out,
• 53:29
  but Carly next to her is like not wanting to listen to her.
• 53:32
  She's like just a simple bit of blood.
• 53:34
  And she like, shakes her and they start fighting.
• 53:36
  And so Carly gets, like, smacked into all of the saw blades
• 53:40
  because it's not one saw blade. There's like a bunch of
• 53:42
  different saw blades you can choose from.
• 53:43
  If you wanted to, just like Nick your shin, you could have.
• 53:45
  Yeah, poor Carly. She kind of just gets like they
• 53:48
  all just gang up on her in every single one of them.
• 53:50
  And then also you have to think about it.
• 53:51
  So we've got this bucket head on the far right or left depending
• 53:55
  on, you know, your perspective of it, who is still passed out
• 53:59
  from everything. He's starting to wake.
• 54:01
  Up here. He's starting to wake up.
• 54:03
  He's still a little bit groggy. You got to imagine Carly might
• 54:05
  still be a little bit groggy too.
• 54:06
  She can't weigh more than about 85 lbs.
• 54:08
  Maybe she's just fucking out of it still and she's like, what
• 54:11
  the fuck is happening? So yeah, they all managed to get
• 54:14
  through except for the one on the back who we see being pulled
• 54:16
  up to the wall as the doors close behind them.
• 54:19
  Right. So I like this.
• 54:21
  I think this is really cool that they keep getting pulled after
• 54:23
  the door opens and then it's just like they're in a barn now
• 54:26
  and they just keep going. And there's something about
• 54:28
  that. That's just, I love the way it
• 54:30
  looks. It's creepy.
• 54:32
  It's so creepy and it's like terrifying on top of like, OK,
• 54:36
  you've been kidnapped, You awaken and probably pignapped.
• 54:40
  We're assuming they have good days now.
• 54:41
  Yes? And you wake up in this barn, or
• 54:45
  you wake up in this room with a bucket on your head, saws going,
• 54:49
  and then you just keep getting pulled by this chain.
• 54:52
  And then you go into an even bigger room, still getting
• 54:54
  pulled by a fucking. Chain not over yet.
• 54:56
  You didn't win, you're just on to the next one.
• 54:58
  Now it's. Kinda.
• 55:00
  It's like an all house eve when they're down in the tunnel and
• 55:03
  they've got the chain going like way down Into Darkness.
• 55:05
  It's kind of that element of the unknown and like an additional
• 55:08
  element of being trapped. Yeah, exactly, I wonder.
• 55:10
  If maybe something like that was set up for their original like
• 55:13
  outdoor draft. Oh, that would have been cool.
• 55:15
  Yeah. Yeah, I would have liked that.
• 55:17
  OK, so now we cut to the park. There's a woman, she's getting
• 55:21
  her tie, her shoe tie. She's going out for a jog.
• 55:23
  Not. Yet not yet, Because before
• 55:26
  that, Aller ends at the hospital.
• 55:28
  He wants to talk to Edgar. But Edgar is in a medically
• 55:30
  induced coma. That's gonna be important, OK?
• 55:33
  Yeah, so that's going on now. We get a lady jogging in the
• 55:36
  park and she's going on her jog and then she sees all these
• 55:38
  people piling up around the bridge.
• 55:40
  Scene was used in the trailers and it's fucking effective
• 55:43
  because this is like, this is the start of every episode of
• 55:46
  Law and Order. Y'all like somebody is like
• 55:48
  going for a little jog in the park and they're running into a
• 55:51
  crowd that's looking the other way, looking horrified.
• 55:53
  And then you turn around, dead body hanging from a bridge.
• 55:57
  It was pretty clear, though, that this wasn't the same body
• 56:00
  as the person that was here, because this is like a black
• 56:02
  guy, Was it? I think so.
• 56:04
  It's like somebody with like a darker skin tone.
• 56:06
  I was not paying attention. The person that was being
• 56:08
  dragged as a white person. I guess I just don't see color.
• 56:11
  Well, that's on you just. Kidding.
• 56:14
  Actually, that's a really harmful view to take when we're
• 56:16
  talking about anti discrimination and anti racism.
• 56:20
  Yeah, I know. Yeah.
• 56:21
  Yeah. You got to don't pretend like
• 56:23
  it's not there. I don't pretend that it's not
• 56:24
  there. It's the thing.
• 56:25
  Yeah. No, I just, I literally I I
• 56:27
  didn't notice that there's so much going on and I was taking a
• 56:30
  lot of. Notes.
• 56:30
  It looks closer to Mitch's body, if you ask me.
• 56:33
  Yeah, which I don't think we ever know.
• 56:35
  We just see Mitch's body later. Never mind.
• 56:36
  So either way, whatever. Not important.
• 56:38
  Everybody's freaking out because there's a body dangle in there
• 56:40
  and they got a bucket head on. Yep, so I put not Jeremy Runner
• 56:45
  is playing catch with his daughter and Halloran pulls up
• 56:48
  and he goes. I have my phone off for a
• 56:50
  reason. Doesn't matter.
• 56:51
  Apparently you're always on call in the Solvil morgue, so he's
• 56:55
  got to go do an autopsy with his assistant Eleanor.
• 56:59
  They are suspecting that this is a copycat of John Kramer, who
• 57:03
  has been dead for 10 years. As we learn, Detective Keith
• 57:06
  Hunt appears and him and Logan know each other.
• 57:10
  And then Halloran doesn't like that.
• 57:12
  He doesn't like other people. Having allies makes his job
• 57:15
  harder. Halloran just doesn't like
• 57:16
  anything. Well, and Halloran, I think, I
• 57:18
  think it's meant to be implied that him and Hunt are like
• 57:21
  recent partners. Yeah.
• 57:23
  And Hunt, we find out later, is part of IA Internal Affairs.
• 57:29
  So I wonder if Halloran may be suspected there was a little bit
• 57:32
  of heat on him. Yeah, I think so.
• 57:34
  So I think he's a little bit suspicious and when he sees
• 57:36
  Logan, who has a history of telling the press that
• 57:39
  Halloran's a moron, I think he. He's a little guy catching wind
• 57:43
  of shit. Yeah, he doesn't like that.
• 57:45
  They already have a little bit of camaraderie and he's like,
• 57:47
  no, we served in Fallujah together, so we're yeah.
• 57:51
  OK, now we get the body and now I'm questioning if this was
• 57:53
  actually a black person because now I'm like, oh, this is a
• 57:56
  white skin person here and that's like got a head chopped
• 57:59
  in half that I'm looking at. So I wonder if it was like the
• 58:02
  shading of the bridge. Maybe.
• 58:05
  I don't know. You paid way more attention to
• 58:07
  that than I did. It's just like observation.
• 58:09
  I don't know like I'm just pointing out because it seemed
• 58:11
  very obvious that it wasn't the person in the opening, which is
• 58:14
  an actual plot point in. The movie, Yeah, And that is
• 58:17
  fair. I noticed that more in the Carly
• 58:20
  kill later versus the person that we see.
• 58:22
  Like the facial structure is just a little bit different and
• 58:24
  the hair isn't as damaged as Carly's.
• 58:27
  You know, I didn't think about it, but it's convenient that all
• 58:30
  of these people die in, like, disfiguring ways.
• 58:32
  No, Logan like recreated the games to get the same.
• 58:37
  Yeah, I. Deaths.
• 58:38
  No, I know. I'm just saying like it's.
• 58:39
  Very. Oh, that.
• 58:40
  The original game was all disfiguring.
• 58:42
  OK, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it is
• 58:46
  convenient. Unless Logan's lying about the
• 58:48
  whole fucking thing. Which?
• 58:50
  He could be, yeah. And we, and we never know this
• 58:52
  on it. Yeah, we never see this guy
• 58:53
  again in the series. Always for now.
• 58:58
  All right, So they find that there is an actual jigsaw piece
• 59:01
  cut out. So they confirm that it is
• 59:03
  actually somebody trying to emulate the game.
• 59:06
  So always. Yeah.
• 59:06
  And there's an SD card underneath that that piece
• 59:09
  that's cut out. Yeah, it says and then there
• 59:11
  were 4 on it. So we cut back to the barn and
• 59:15
  Billy appears. And this was another shot from
• 59:17
  the trailer that I remember with Ryan gone.
• 59:19
  Oh, that's not creepy at all. It's a really good shot of
• 59:22
  really rolling up. Whenever you see him roll up on
• 59:24
  the track, it's always unsettling.
• 59:26
  Which and I'm sure there are people out there I would say you
• 59:29
  don't joke around in situations like that.
• 59:32
  I would say I probably would. You would I that's I use
• 59:37
  inappropriate humor to cope with things.
• 59:39
  Hello welcome to our podcast. Travis can attest You see me at
• 59:43
  some of the worst points in my life, including very recently.
• 59:46
  And joking is what me and my family do, so I could absolutely
• 59:51
  see me saying shit like what Ryan says the whole time.
• 59:54
  Some people also are just like nervous laughters or laughters
• 59:57
  too. Like, you know, I get it.
• 59:59
  People have their own reaction to that type of.
• 1:00:01
  Exactly. So yeah, he strolls in, he's got
• 1:00:03
  a little thing around him and it says confess.
• 1:00:06
  It's like a little envelope. I think so.
• 1:00:10
  Imagine being a Catholic and you go to confession.
• 1:00:13
  On the other side of that, it's Billy.
• 1:00:15
  Yeah, instead of Hail Marys, you have to like, chop off a finger.
• 1:00:20
  I. Feel ripped off.
• 1:00:20
  I'd be like, God damn it, this is who I'm talking to.
• 1:00:23
  Why did I convert? Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  So the chains start to reactivate.
• 1:00:28
  Mm hmm. They realize they're going up
• 1:00:30
  this time. They're not gonna be pulled
• 1:00:31
  throughout the barn anymore. Yeah, I think, yeah.
• 1:00:35
  So as they start to get pulled, they're like trying to figure
• 1:00:38
  out what they need to confess. Mitch says that he sold a bike,
• 1:00:41
  and it resulted in the death of the kid that bought it.
• 1:00:44
  Anna says that her and her husband lost their baby and got
• 1:00:48
  divorced. And Ryan, and this is probably
• 1:00:51
  one of my favorite quotes of the film, but he was like, that's
• 1:00:54
  not a death sentence. Just go to fucking marriage
• 1:00:56
  counsel. Yeah.
• 1:00:57
  Yeah, Carly and Ryan, though, refuse to say anything.
• 1:01:01
  Yeah, So as they're like being pulled, Mitch grabs a tape off
• 1:01:06
  of Billy. We see we and the chain stop, so
• 1:01:10
  they play the tape. There's three syringes in front
• 1:01:12
  of them. One has an antidote, one's a
• 1:01:14
  saline solution and one is filled with acid.
• 1:01:17
  And it's for the thief amongst you all, the purse snatcher.
• 1:01:22
  And he says, what is a life worth to you?
• 1:01:26
  And they're all, like, trying to freak out and see who's been hit
• 1:01:30
  with the poison that needs the antidote.
• 1:01:31
  And they're looking for, like, syringe Marks and Carly standing
• 1:01:34
  there and they're like, oh, well, I guess it's you because
• 1:01:36
  you're not reacting, you know it's you.
• 1:01:37
  Yeah, yeah. And they're trying to ask if she
• 1:01:40
  knows what it means. And she says $353.53.
• 1:01:45
  Yeah, not before Ryan takes all three of them and holds her at,
• 1:01:48
  like, needlepoint, like here. Pick or I'm jabbing you with all
• 1:01:52
  three of these. And here's the thing.
• 1:01:54
  Is she saying she doesn't want to pick because she doesn't want
• 1:01:56
  to get it wrong, But then she sees the 3:53 and she goes
• 1:01:58
  $3.53. That feels like your answer.
• 1:02:01
  But he keeps saying pick one, pick one and she's like, I don't
• 1:02:04
  want to so. That's why I'm so confused why
• 1:02:07
  they didn't just try that one. That I mean that's obviously
• 1:02:10
  that one is so easy that is the answer unless like that's one of
• 1:02:14
  those things where you're guessing like you're second
• 1:02:16
  guessing yourself too hard about an obvious answer like that's an
• 1:02:18
  obvious answer 350. Three.
• 1:02:20
  That's like the early bird questions at trivia night.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah, like this feels so easy it almost has to be a trick.
• 1:02:25
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  No, I'm pretty sure it was just gonna be 353.
• 1:02:29
  We don't know for sure though, 'cause they all get dragged up
• 1:02:31
  there on the chains. And and well, we do know it gets
• 1:02:35
  revealed later that that was the correct syringe because yeah, so
• 1:02:39
  she has a flashback to when she snatched the purse from
• 1:02:41
  somebody. She was said she was really
• 1:02:43
  poor, desperate for money, so she snatched this purse.
• 1:02:46
  The woman goes chasing after her.
• 1:02:47
  She dumps everything out on the sidewalk around the corner and
• 1:02:50
  she takes the money. It was $3.53.
• 1:02:53
  The woman's inhaler was in her purse.
• 1:02:55
  And the woman, because she's been giving chase, needs her
• 1:02:58
  inhaler is. That what that was at the She
• 1:02:59
  had a heart attack. No, it was an inhaler.
• 1:03:01
  Wow. Damn.
• 1:03:02
  Trust me. Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  So she ends up dying because she can't fucking breathe.
• 1:03:07
  And Carly, like, kind of just tossed the inhaler away.
• 1:03:10
  So she let a woman die over $3.53.
• 1:03:14
  So probably not her proudest moment.
• 1:03:15
  Probably not, no. But she doesn't seem
• 1:03:17
  particularly remorseful, and Ryan doesn't have time with this
• 1:03:20
  shit. So he hits her with all three
• 1:03:22
  syringes. Yeah, and when they fall down,
• 1:03:25
  everybody's kind of mad at him. Like you took that choice away
• 1:03:27
  from her and he's like, well, we're all released so.
• 1:03:30
  We were all gonna die. Yeah.
• 1:03:31
  I mean, I feel like it's fair, honestly.
• 1:03:33
  If she wasn't gonna pick and it was all gonna have to be on her,
• 1:03:36
  you got to make that choice because she's bringing you guys
• 1:03:38
  down with her at that point. And so the only thing they can
• 1:03:41
  see is there's another door that's got a combination lock on
• 1:03:44
  it and they remembered her saying $3.53.
• 1:03:48
  So when they pulled this wrench that says 353, the plunger
• 1:03:52
  inside, once it was pushed down, had an additional string of
• 1:03:56
  numbers and that's the combination to the door.
• 1:03:58
  So that's how we know it was the correct syringe.
• 1:04:00
  I thought it was funny how that was the prop master's, like,
• 1:04:03
  favorite prop because it just had like a hidden thing in it.
• 1:04:05
  Like, oh, it wasn't the giant fucking turbine machine that you
• 1:04:08
  made, It was the little tiny syringe with the lock
• 1:04:11
  combination. This dude has definitely
• 1:04:12
  designed an escape room. You know what?
• 1:04:14
  I mean, like he created escape rooms.
• 1:04:17
  He started that sensation. 'Cause they talked.
• 1:04:19
  About just getting, like inside. Instead of having to deal with,
• 1:04:22
  like making a solution that looks realistic, they're like,
• 1:04:24
  oh, we'll just use white strangers, he goes, no, we'll
• 1:04:27
  put a Milky white solution. But I have an idea.
• 1:04:29
  Yeah, he was very excited about it.
• 1:04:31
  I was honestly like seeing somebody geek out about their
• 1:04:33
  work like that. A little detail that ended up
• 1:04:35
  making a difference in the movie, Yeah.
• 1:04:37
  I like it. I.
• 1:04:38
  Liked it too. It was cool.
• 1:04:39
  It was good getting that insight.
• 1:04:40
  Like, I never really considered prop masters having that
• 1:04:43
  influence on like the actual movie and strip and plot and
• 1:04:47
  shit. That's cool.
• 1:04:48
  Yeah. It's not just that they're told
• 1:04:49
  that they have to make this, They get to actually.
• 1:04:52
  Have input? Yeah.
• 1:04:53
  OK, so they get the combination, they unlock the door, and they
• 1:04:57
  enter the next room. And then we cut to them talking
• 1:05:00
  about bucket heads. So Bucket Head's name is Malcolm
• 1:05:03
  Neal, who's a gambler who basically got, according to
• 1:05:07
  Halloran, he was the bad guy and got his wife killed.
• 1:05:10
  He owed some loan sharks some money and when he didn't pay up,
• 1:05:13
  they came in, broke into his house and forced them, forced
• 1:05:17
  him to watch his wife be murdered by them.
• 1:05:19
  And Halloran's like, yeah, it's his fault his wife died, like
• 1:05:22
  Dang dude. And Logan goes, so you know, he
• 1:05:26
  he got in trouble. What happened to the people that
• 1:05:29
  killed his wife? They're still running free,
• 1:05:31
  aren't they, Halloran? Halloran's like.
• 1:05:34
  He's. Mac and that gum me entire
• 1:05:37
  fucking every time. He's like, I wanna be an extra
• 1:05:39
  smarmy little bastard. He smacks that gum a little
• 1:05:41
  harder. Yeah, little fucking asshole.
• 1:05:43
  So they do talk about the fact that it sounds like the voice
• 1:05:47
  was John's, but they are going to take the tape to.
• 1:05:50
  Have it examined. Yeah, have it examined.
• 1:05:54
  Take it to the girl that solved the the coast this.
• 1:05:57
  One, they can't coast just killed everybody.
• 1:05:59
  Oh, shit. She did die.
• 1:06:01
  God. Damn it.
• 1:06:01
  Like, God damn it, I wish we had.
• 1:06:02
  Her. That's why it's a completely
• 1:06:03
  different building now. Sawville doesn't have the same
• 1:06:06
  analysis building anymore. In Sawville.
• 1:06:08
  Guarantee you she's got a twin sister out there.
• 1:06:09
  Bring her in. Even though she has no
• 1:06:11
  experience. I guarantee you could do it.
• 1:06:12
  I just want to see that person like decode or decipher like
• 1:06:16
  this kind of audio again. So back at the barn, they're
• 1:06:19
  looking around their new room. They ask Ryan what his deal is,
• 1:06:22
  and he says he cheats. He sells bad mortgages, good
• 1:06:26
  drugs. He's cheated on his wife, both
• 1:06:29
  of them. Anna says that her husband
• 1:06:32
  rolled over on their baby in her in his sleep, and she doesn't
• 1:06:36
  know why she's here. Don't think.
• 1:06:38
  That they. Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Yeah, that's right. He does, Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  Yeah, they they kind of laid on a few times and you're like,
• 1:06:43
  well, clearly there's more to the story, but like, this is
• 1:06:48
  really sad. Yeah, it does.
• 1:06:49
  Yeah, and Ryan goes to a door that is marked not an exit.
• 1:06:53
  And they're like, hey, he was pretty clear about following the
• 1:06:56
  rules and that says not an exit. He goes, yeah, it's clearly a
• 1:06:58
  misdirect. So he tries to beat the door in.
• 1:07:01
  As soon as he does, he falls through the.
• 1:07:05
  The before yeah, into a like whole contraption of wires down
• 1:07:10
  there that's wrapped around a bunch of poise.
• 1:07:13
  Yeah, it is a. Lot like that, a lot like
• 1:07:15
  audition, just like it just wraps around them.
• 1:07:18
  You can feel the tightness whenever you see that the sound
• 1:07:21
  design on that was so well done because you even hear like the
• 1:07:24
  little sound of like the needle or like the wire.
• 1:07:26
  Like you know how you would take like a wire like that and just
• 1:07:28
  like thing like a little guitar strip like it just has that
• 1:07:31
  hypogenic thing. And it's like the fuck dude.
• 1:07:33
  And there's a tape down that like they're trying to like beat
• 1:07:36
  through the rest of the floor to find maybe a way to disconnect
• 1:07:39
  the trap. Instead they find a tape.
• 1:07:41
  The tape is like it's they need to do like Indiana Jones style
• 1:07:44
  like swap it out on the plate for the weight of it this.
• 1:07:47
  Is so stupid though. OK, So what happens is if you
• 1:07:51
  make contact with any of the wires, they tighten up on his
• 1:07:54
  leg. So what does Mitch do?
• 1:07:57
  He gets a fucking hoe and he reaches down there with that to
• 1:08:00
  try and scoop. It up, it's a rake.
• 1:08:02
  OK, a hoe rake. No, it is a hoe actually.
• 1:08:05
  A rake is more like that. Right, Rake is.
• 1:08:07
  Yeah, it's like for. Rake is like this.
• 1:08:09
  A hoe is like this. A hoe this right here is for
• 1:08:11
  like making like you're digging with this shit right here and
• 1:08:14
  that's why he like he uses that we're.
• 1:08:16
  Farmers. I have you.
• 1:08:18
  So as I grew up next to a garden, OK, I had to do shit.
• 1:08:22
  All right, either way. The Flex of I grew Up next to a
• 1:08:26
  garden isn't exactly what you think it is.
• 1:08:28
  It's a big ass garden, man. It.
• 1:08:29
  Is a big garden you all? I can tell you it is, but like I
• 1:08:34
  think when most people think of a garden, they think of
• 1:08:36
  something much smaller than your parents and your pebbles.
• 1:08:39
  So what? Don't.
• 1:08:40
  It doesn't make it any easier either way.
• 1:08:43
  So he takes that and he tries to scoop it up with that, but he
• 1:08:46
  ends up hitting the wires, tightening the shit on Ryan's
• 1:08:49
  wagon, and also getting the snapped in half.
• 1:08:53
  So now he has to very carefully reach down there in between all
• 1:08:57
  of the wires to grab the tape. This is a very tense scene.
• 1:09:00
  He does a very good job of like selling this year and he manages
• 1:09:03
  to grab it. Yeah, And then basically the
• 1:09:06
  tape is just like, hey, you've got to make the choice to free
• 1:09:09
  yourself, 'cause you can kind of put yourself in this position.
• 1:09:12
  Yeah, it's like, yeah, I told you not to, you know, break the
• 1:09:15
  rules. And this is exactly what happens
• 1:09:16
  when you break the rules. There's a formula, people.
• 1:09:19
  A very simple formula. I feel like.
• 1:09:21
  He knew that Ryan was going to do that.
• 1:09:24
  This is definitely designed for Ryan because he's a cheater,
• 1:09:26
  remember, and he doesn't have a game later on.
• 1:09:29
  So this is definitely like he knew this was going to happen.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, No, cuz at the end, John says.
• 1:09:36
  That wasn't your game. Really.
• 1:09:39
  Yeah. So his game was between him and
• 1:09:40
  Anna. I guess so or maybe there was,
• 1:09:43
  yeah, that. Wasn't.
• 1:09:44
  Why does that have to do with any of their shit?
• 1:09:46
  But I do think it's kind of like his Secret game.
• 1:09:49
  It's got to be, I mean. He's a cheater.
• 1:09:51
  Like, that was his whole thing. He tries to take shortcuts for
• 1:09:54
  everything and John's like, hey buddy, no shortcuts now you lose
• 1:09:58
  your legs. This is the jigsaw we know and
• 1:10:00
  love who lies about his own game and rules.
• 1:10:03
  Because when Ryan's and their lady, he's like, I already beat
• 1:10:05
  my game and I won. And John's like, that wasn't
• 1:10:07
  really your game. John Kramer's so far up his own
• 1:10:09
  ass he doesn't even know what he he's selling himself on Shit
• 1:10:12
  now. Yeah, like John Kramer is so far
• 1:10:14
  up his own ass, he's not even a fart smeller anymore.
• 1:10:17
  That's just his breath. His breath is his.
• 1:10:20
  He's got it so far up, He's got it all the way up, back up to
• 1:10:23
  his mouth. Like he opens his mouth and you
• 1:10:27
  can see his face. Yeah.
• 1:10:29
  He's like the tiny little alien on the on the mother alien's
• 1:10:34
  tongue. An alien.
• 1:10:36
  The face sucker. It's perfect.
• 1:10:37
  You know what? I think I know what to cover.
• 1:10:43
  Yeah, it'd be funny. OK, I'm gonna do that.
• 1:10:46
  That's what I'm gonna draw and draw.
• 1:10:47
  I'm so excited for that budget. Patrons, I hope you are ready to
• 1:10:52
  rock the ship. Yeah, you guys get that as a
• 1:10:53
  sticker. That's right.
• 1:10:56
  They notice that there is a OK, they play the tape.
• 1:11:00
  And yeah, it's basically him shaming for breaking the rules.
• 1:11:02
  Got some life, then we cut to them.
• 1:11:05
  At the morgue there were some particles, particles, particles.
• 1:11:15
  Sorry. Go ahead, God.
• 1:11:19
  Come on, man. Do you use your inhaler?
• 1:11:23
  Are you gonna die like that woman?
• 1:11:26
  He found particles on bucket head and they show, you know,
• 1:11:31
  various things like dirt and pig shit.
• 1:11:33
  But they also picked up Ojeski's disease, which is apparently a
• 1:11:36
  rare disease in pigs that once it's found, it ruins a farmer's
• 1:11:40
  life, essentially. Yeah, it just kind.
• 1:11:43
  Of spreads. Pretty easily.
• 1:11:45
  So they basically have to like, decommission a whole farm when
• 1:11:48
  it happens. So Eleanor's like, I wonder if
• 1:11:50
  we can just, you know, maybe figure out where it was based
• 1:11:53
  off of that, if it's anywhere nearby.
• 1:11:55
  So there's a weird like ADR voiceover almost about possible
• 1:12:00
  jumper in the park. Yeah, yeah, he and they point
• 1:12:04
  out that the body that they found, this is the Carly analog
• 1:12:10
  died from being injected with acid not the fall.
• 1:12:15
  And there's a jigsaw piece on her tongue.
• 1:12:17
  And I just gotta say, because this woman's face was half torn
• 1:12:20
  off, but Talia got so fucking, like, upset when she saw that.
• 1:12:25
  And she looked at us. She was like, this is my face.
• 1:12:27
  Like, this was not your face. Maybe you had like, a real
• 1:12:29
  professional surgery and she went, she was really mad at us.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah. She's had a one.
• 1:12:33
  She gets really mad at face trauma in movies, you know.
• 1:12:36
  It's happened to White and Saw movies.
• 1:12:37
  Yeah, it happened to Hoffman back in Saw Six.
• 1:12:42
  OK, she got mad about. That too though I.
• 1:12:43
  Know. Yeah, she she.
• 1:12:45
  Knows what's happening. She's like, I don't like this
• 1:12:46
  shit. It's fair.
• 1:12:47
  It's totally fair. And Eleanor goes jig fucking
• 1:12:50
  saw. Keith reveals that Logan was a
• 1:12:54
  POW in Fallujah. Yeah, he got like tortured
• 1:12:57
  inches. So he's got a lot of PTSD around
• 1:12:59
  that. Not, not that good.
• 1:13:01
  Yeah. OK, so back at the game.
• 1:13:03
  And I'm Mitch are looking for other possible exits while Ryan
• 1:13:07
  is otherwise preoccupied, Silo opens up.
• 1:13:11
  So they go in there, There's like a remote and it takes two
• 1:13:14
  people to reach it because it's, you know, far enough up none of
• 1:13:17
  them could reach it on their own.
• 1:13:18
  But Mitch lifts Anna when she gets it and then it.
• 1:13:21
  Could she got it with that hoe? I bet that's what the hoe was
• 1:13:23
  supposed to be for. No, I think it was meant to be
• 1:13:26
  like this. So that way it would force two
• 1:13:28
  people in there, you. Could probably get with the hoe
• 1:13:31
  though. I mean, yeah, probably.
• 1:13:33
  But they didn't. Take that, jigsaw.
• 1:13:35
  I beat your shit. What do you think about that?
• 1:13:39
  OK, so yeah, they grab it, they play the tape.
• 1:13:42
  It's basically saying that. Well, no, cuz a TV comes on and
• 1:13:47
  a TV comes on for Ryan too. And basically they're saying
• 1:13:50
  like, you're gonna be trapped in here, buried alive unless Ryan
• 1:13:53
  can pull his little lever. And this was fucking terrifying
• 1:13:58
  for me because I used to work in a food factory.
• 1:14:01
  That was they worked with the there was another place next
• 1:14:04
  door that they worked with to get their grains.
• 1:14:07
  And one time when Asilo was emptied, I had to go in there
• 1:14:10
  and help do some cleaning. And let me tell you, there is
• 1:14:12
  nothing fucking scarier than being inside of Asilo with the
• 1:14:15
  potential of like. Yeah, having it all pour on you.
• 1:14:17
  Yes. Yeah, it's terrifying, I would
• 1:14:19
  imagine. This is my version of my mom's
• 1:14:24
  forklift problems in saw three. And it's kind of fucked up.
• 1:14:28
  A lot of people die like this, surprisingly, Like I think like
• 1:14:31
  every year there are deaths related to people having grains
• 1:14:34
  poured on them from a silo. Also, here's a fun fact a lot of
• 1:14:38
  people might not know about larger silos.
• 1:14:40
  This is a relatively small silo. Yeah, larger silos have stairs
• 1:14:44
  inside. That makes sense.
• 1:14:45
  It does make sense, but you don't normally think about it.
• 1:14:49
  So until you see it and you're like, oh, I guess you would
• 1:14:51
  probably need something like that.
• 1:14:52
  Yeah. Mm hmm.
• 1:14:54
  OK. So yeah, the grain starts
• 1:14:57
  pouring in on them. So Ryan is taking his sweet time
• 1:15:01
  to pull that lever because, you know, obviously we would all be
• 1:15:05
  reluctant to do so. In that case, the grain starts
• 1:15:08
  to get up a little bit, like to their chest, and then it stops.
• 1:15:12
  And then all of a sudden blades start to rain from above.
• 1:15:17
  They got lucky that none of this shit landed on them.
• 1:15:21
  That's not true. Mitch got a knife.
• 1:15:23
  In the shoulder. And Anna got some nails in her.
• 1:15:27
  ARM, let me rephrase that. She probably also got tetanus.
• 1:15:30
  They got lucky that it wasn't fatal blows.
• 1:15:32
  That's true, because there's a lot of places that that could
• 1:15:35
  hit there. Like, you know, you got your
• 1:15:37
  chest and your head there. Like, it could have been real,
• 1:15:39
  real bad. Yeah, Ryan does eventually pull
• 1:15:42
  the lever though, which releases them.
• 1:15:44
  And also cuts his leg off. Into multiple pieces.
• 1:15:48
  Yes. Meanwhile, Halloran asks Eleanor
• 1:15:51
  for her alibi the night of Neil's murder.
• 1:15:54
  And she was like, I was home alone, he goes.
• 1:15:57
  Difficult to prove, huh? She goes.
• 1:15:58
  Do I need to? Logan is Facetiming his
• 1:16:01
  daughter. He's going to be home late.
• 1:16:02
  He apologized to the babysitter, and the detective asks him about
• 1:16:07
  Eleanor, like where he found her as his assistant.
• 1:16:11
  And he was like, well, she came here for residency.
• 1:16:14
  She wanted to work here and then she just decided to keep
• 1:16:18
  working. When I offered her at the
• 1:16:19
  position, he goes, really, She was offered a job up in
• 1:16:22
  Cleveland running the morgue. Why do you think she turned that
• 1:16:24
  down? And he's like, would you wanna
• 1:16:26
  move to Cleveland? Logan.
• 1:16:28
  Would you want to move? To Sawville.
• 1:16:30
  Yeah, we live in Sawville, of all places, even.
• 1:16:33
  Sawville versus Cleveland, I think we have our poll
• 1:16:37
  secondary. Poll No, I think that's a good
• 1:16:39
  oh right, the polls are saw. Movies are determined already.
• 1:16:42
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I like that as a secondary
• 1:16:44
  poll. I'm gonna put that in the
• 1:16:45
  Spotify poll so doesn't be listening on Spotify.
• 1:16:47
  Let us know what you. Would you rather live in
• 1:16:50
  Cleveland or Sawville? Yeah, Although the answer for
• 1:16:55
  the answer for Eleanor is actually really that she would
• 1:16:59
  rather live in Sawville because she's a regular on
• 1:17:01
  jigsawrules.com, which must have been founded in the early days
• 1:17:06
  of the Internet, which would have been right around when not
• 1:17:09
  the early days of the Internet. But this is around the era of we
• 1:17:13
  were talking about like Evam's world and.
• 1:17:16
  I mean, it's still relatively early.
• 1:17:18
  Yeah, and whatnot. Yeah, that's.
• 1:17:19
  Still, that's still early Internet back then.
• 1:17:21
  That would be like in the early 2000s, yeah.
• 1:17:23
  Pre pre YouTube so. It's like right when we're
• 1:17:26
  getting over the hump of dial up.
• 1:17:27
  Yeah, so this is, I mean Jigsaw Rules makes sense as a as a
• 1:17:31
  website name and Eleanor is an active participant.
• 1:17:34
  She probably again, early days of the Internet.
• 1:17:37
  She probably used her fucking name or her cat's name or
• 1:17:40
  something. No, back then her username.
• 1:17:42
  Back then you made-up names all the time.
• 1:17:43
  I was part of forums and. All kinds of shit back.
• 1:17:46
  Then like, Nah, you don't go by your name.
• 1:17:49
  And then they discovered that the blood under the fingernails
• 1:17:52
  of the most recent victim is in fact John Cramer's Yeah.
• 1:17:56
  Logan meets Eleanor at a bar later that night and says that
• 1:18:01
  Halloran is a He's suspicious. He roughs up, suspects a lot,
• 1:18:06
  and then they tend to get released and.
• 1:18:10
  He's not got the best reputation.
• 1:18:11
  OK, so when he first started working here, sorry I couldn't
• 1:18:14
  read my notes for a second. And for once, it's only
• 1:18:17
  partially because of my handwriting and it's partially
• 1:18:19
  because my drinks spilled on my paper.
• 1:18:21
  Yes. So he roughed up a suspect.
• 1:18:24
  And because he roughed up that suspect, the guy got released,
• 1:18:28
  you know, on a technicality. And then he went on to murder
• 1:18:31
  several other children under 10, and they wound up on Logan's
• 1:18:36
  table. So he hasn't liked Halloran ever
• 1:18:38
  since. Then she tells him that she
• 1:18:42
  wasn't actually at home, like she told Halloran she was at her
• 1:18:45
  studio. And he goes, what's that
• 1:18:46
  supposed to mean? So they go to look at it.
• 1:18:49
  Keith is following them, so he sees what Logan sees and what
• 1:18:55
  Eleanor has been working on in her spare time, which is putting
• 1:18:57
  together all of the jinx on. Track every single one of them
• 1:19:01
  accurately, too. Like it's impressive she's
• 1:19:04
  managed to find the design plans for them online.
• 1:19:08
  They've they've apparently been leaked on jigsawrules.com.
• 1:19:10
  Including one that nobody knows if this game was ever actually
• 1:19:15
  played, but she there's suspicion that it was played
• 1:19:17
  before the earliest known game. She said that he's built it.
• 1:19:21
  I don't know if they ever knew for sure that anybody's actually
• 1:19:23
  been killed by it. Yeah, and Logan says, well, no
• 1:19:26
  victim has ever appeared with matching wounds.
• 1:19:29
  Meanwhile, over at the hospital, the detective that is supposed
• 1:19:33
  to be watching Edgar Munson, is falling asleep.
• 1:19:35
  But honestly, it wouldn't matter if he was asleep or not because
• 1:19:38
  he was facing away from the room and he couldn't have seen the
• 1:19:39
  person in the room closing the curtain and injecting something
• 1:19:44
  into Edgar's IV bag that makes him wake up and go.
• 1:19:49
  So now back at the game, they're putting a tourniquet on Ryan's
• 1:19:53
  leg. He is not having a good time.
• 1:19:55
  He It's a pretty loose tourniquet do.
• 1:19:58
  You remember? Let's go back about two weeks in
• 1:20:01
  time when we watched. Would you rather?
• 1:20:04
  Yes. And the sweet little old lady in
• 1:20:07
  the wheelchair died from a single stab wound to her leg.
• 1:20:10
  Yep, because of the femoral artery is apparently the entire
• 1:20:14
  leg according to that movie. Yeah, yet here with this, he
• 1:20:20
  gets way longer than 30 seconds to live.
• 1:20:22
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I the Jeffrey Combs effect.
• 1:20:28
  Yeah, yeah, Jeffrey Combs is just you're like, OK, I'm just
• 1:20:31
  gonna try and bleed out faster because he seems like he'll be a
• 1:20:34
  bad guy here. Yeah, And she was paralyzed,
• 1:20:37
  obviously. It meant something just the way
• 1:20:40
  that they said it. They're like, yeah, OK,
• 1:20:42
  whatever, OK. Maybe that isn't the Geoffrey
• 1:20:44
  Combs effect. Maybe it's the Ricky effect.
• 1:20:47
  Yeah. The Rob Wells.
• 1:20:49
  Yeah, yeah. We see Logan at his house.
• 1:20:53
  He gets up in the morning, he's very sweaty, so he takes off his
• 1:20:55
  shirt and he's got a bunch of scars on his back.
• 1:20:57
  Relevant. It's like Travis from Would you
• 1:21:00
  rather? My God, same universe.
• 1:21:04
  So we could explain that from him being a POW, but also
• 1:21:09
  remember all of the saws at the beginning of the movie?
• 1:21:12
  Yep, just keep that in mind. Yep, for a second there are.
• 1:21:16
  Keith shows Halloran the photos of the studio.
• 1:21:20
  And then Halloran gets a call from the commissioner.
• 1:21:22
  The Commissioner is wanting to dig up Jigsaw's body to prove to
• 1:21:25
  everybody that he is in fact dead and to try and calm
• 1:21:28
  everybody down. And Halloran's?
• 1:21:30
  That's a waste of taxpayers money and I'm glad Halloran has
• 1:21:33
  to eat those words. Yeah.
• 1:21:35
  So like it's not like a question like they're actually pulling up
• 1:21:38
  the casket as they're on the phone, they open up the casket
• 1:21:42
  and at the same. Time.
• 1:21:44
  At the same time that Halloran is getting a call that Edgar's
• 1:21:47
  gone from the hospital. Yes.
• 1:21:48
  Then we cut over to the barn. Mitch has gotten a tape.
• 1:21:53
  It's not just that he sold a bike and a kid died from it
• 1:21:57
  because of faulty brakes. He knew the brakes were faulty.
• 1:21:59
  He sold the bike for $600.00. And that kid was John Kramer's
• 1:22:04
  nephew. And I want to positive question
• 1:22:06
  to you, Travis. OK.
• 1:22:08
  Does John have a brother or sister that we don't know about,
• 1:22:11
  or is it one of Jill's brother or sisters?
• 1:22:15
  Oh man, no. It's got to be like a like an
• 1:22:20
  actual sibling, because that's going to be a thing used in a
• 1:22:24
  future movie to bring us a new Jigsaw when they are like, we
• 1:22:30
  can't keep tapping on Tobin Bell to keep coming back here and
• 1:22:34
  saving our asses. Let's just get his brother or
• 1:22:37
  sister involved in this instead. But you think they would have
• 1:22:41
  mentioned it by now, whereas the brother or sister of Jill Tuck
• 1:22:44
  might not necessarily be questioned the same way she.
• 1:22:47
  Was. I don't think so.
• 1:22:48
  Why would they mention them if they've not had any connections
• 1:22:50
  to anything relevant to the case?
• 1:22:53
  Because they're the sibling of a serial killer.
• 1:22:55
  So it doesn't matter just because you're.
• 1:22:58
  They questioned. No.
• 1:22:59
  They questioned Jill Tuck all the time at the beginning
• 1:23:01
  before. They were married.
• 1:23:03
  They like they were married during that, like they had
• 1:23:06
  relationship during that whole thing, like if I have a sister
• 1:23:10
  and she goes out there and like you know.
• 1:23:12
  You do have a sister. Hypothetical situation here.
• 1:23:14
  If I have a sister and they go out there and they're over there
• 1:23:18
  fucking people up, Am IA suspect by default?
• 1:23:21
  Am I going to be part of that? Suspect by default, but I do
• 1:23:23
  think the police are probably going to ask you some general
• 1:23:25
  questions. Get more information about.
• 1:23:27
  Her. The thing is, we don't see
• 1:23:28
  everything that happens on on film here.
• 1:23:32
  In this. Movies.
• 1:23:33
  Saville is very complex, Jesse. There's a lot of things going on
• 1:23:36
  behind the scenes that we don't see.
• 1:23:38
  I think that this nephew is part of the cinematic Tuck Universe.
• 1:23:44
  The cinematic Tuck Universe. Yeah, you think he's a tuck?
• 1:23:47
  Yeah, I think he's a tuck. We'll we'll find out who's
• 1:23:49
  right. They're going to use it and
• 1:23:52
  there's no chance that they don't.
• 1:23:54
  So anyway, he's got to reach down and hit a little handbrake
• 1:24:00
  while he's in the middle of one of those little spiral cutters
• 1:24:03
  that you make curly fries with. So he's got to do that.
• 1:24:08
  Anna tries to help by sticking some rebar.
• 1:24:10
  Are you? Calling her on a yes, OK.
• 1:24:13
  OK, on a purpose. Yes, good job.
• 1:24:17
  I like, I was like, you got to like reach in here and grab the
• 1:24:19
  brakes and like, it seems like it's pretty easy because the
• 1:24:22
  brake is right there pretty soon or just reach down there.
• 1:24:25
  You fucking grab the tape before you can do this.
• 1:24:27
  I think part of it is because he's also shaken inside of that
• 1:24:30
  thing a little bit and I think it's similar to like the saws at
• 1:24:33
  the beginning where once you hit it you're kind of out of
• 1:24:35
  control. So I I think he's being extra
• 1:24:37
  careful. It doesn't matter.
• 1:24:39
  He gets curly fried. Anna does impressive work there
• 1:24:42
  by climbing all the way up to the motorcycle and jamming it.
• 1:24:45
  Mitch didn't take advantage of that moment to just go ahead
• 1:24:48
  and. Hit the brake.
• 1:24:49
  That was all on him. Yeah, like, dude, that's not
• 1:24:51
  going to hold that long. Like even if it does, don't
• 1:24:55
  count on it. Carpe diem, my dude.
• 1:24:57
  Yeah, like seize that fucking moment.
• 1:24:59
  Yes. So OK, now we're over to.
• 1:25:02
  We actually see them opening the casket now and we see Abuir's
• 1:25:05
  body is in there replacing jigsaws and he's got a jigsaw
• 1:25:08
  piece cut out too. So they decide that they're
• 1:25:10
  going to go look for Logan and Eleanor in Eleanor's studio.
• 1:25:14
  They find a curly fried body, and then they split up to go
• 1:25:18
  look for them in their respective houses, Hunt.
• 1:25:22
  This is a bold move that Halloran would send Hunt to
• 1:25:25
  Logan's house. But he does, and he points out
• 1:25:29
  the all of the circumstantial evidence about Halloran being
• 1:25:31
  tied to all of the victims so far.
• 1:25:34
  And he's in the right place at the right time.
• 1:25:36
  And Keith is like, here's the thing, I'm with IA.
• 1:25:40
  Actually, no, Logan goes, you're with IA, right?
• 1:25:42
  And Keith doesn't react quick enough.
• 1:25:45
  And he goes, haha, yeah, So they they know that Halloran's been
• 1:25:49
  connected to multiple homicides that have occurred, and every
• 1:25:53
  single one of the victims recently has been connected to a
• 1:25:56
  case he's worked on in the past. So he's like, well, what if we
• 1:26:00
  match the slug inside of Edgar Edgar's chest to Halloran's gun?
• 1:26:06
  Because Halloran, of course, being the type of guy he is, has
• 1:26:09
  to carry a special gun from all the rest of the cops.
• 1:26:11
  I like how this happens. So like, yeah, he does it and he
• 1:26:14
  pulls it out, but like, no one will.
• 1:26:16
  We know at the end where he swapped out the bullets.
• 1:26:18
  Like, what if Keith actually wanted to look?
• 1:26:20
  And like he's like, no peeking, no peeking.
• 1:26:22
  He, like, covers it up. Stop.
• 1:26:24
  Don't look over there. Look away.
• 1:26:26
  Look. Over there.
• 1:26:29
  So Eleanor finds Logan when he's later on back at home and says
• 1:26:34
  that she found the farm and she wants to go in without the
• 1:26:38
  detectives, 'cause she's like, we can't trust Halloran.
• 1:26:41
  But guess what? Halloran's following Anyway.
• 1:26:44
  Anna pries a door open to the outside of the barn, but it's
• 1:26:48
  like chained in such a way that even though she is like teeny
• 1:26:51
  tiny, she can't fit through. And then she gets Here's the
• 1:26:56
  thing. Technically, I guess you could
• 1:26:58
  say she's pignapped. It's I'm gonna she's not a
• 1:27:01
  pignapping. Did you come up with an
• 1:27:03
  additional pen? No, I was.
• 1:27:05
  You seem like you did. So go ahead.
• 1:27:07
  She was poise swined. Poise swined.
• 1:27:11
  Poisoned. Was she poisoned?
• 1:27:14
  She was drugged. Listen, they're all.
• 1:27:18
  Drugged when they're getting pignapped.
• 1:27:20
  Yeah, but she's already been pignapped.
• 1:27:21
  So this is an additional poise swining I.
• 1:27:23
  Liked your one before Hawk stitched?
• 1:27:25
  Yeah, I feel like that applies. More here.
• 1:27:27
  Yeah, I feel like she's already hog stitched though.
• 1:27:29
  Oh yeah, I guess he's mapped in hog stitch.
• 1:27:31
  OK. Whatever.
• 1:27:33
  She's one of these. No, that was good.
• 1:27:35
  I'll give it to you. Let's see.
• 1:27:38
  She gets she, gets she. What do you think the drug is?
• 1:27:43
  Hold on. That is injected in her.
• 1:27:46
  Mm hmm. Shit man, what knocks you out?
• 1:27:48
  I. Don't know a lot of things.
• 1:27:50
  Let's say she gets like a worked with a needle full of God damn
• 1:27:55
  something. Yeah, that was a really lame
• 1:27:57
  setup. Okay, sorry, not my best pig
• 1:27:59
  related puns to do. I just like John being like,
• 1:28:03
  yeah, I'm gonna pork her real good.
• 1:28:04
  Like, what are you gonna do? Like, no.
• 1:28:06
  Like the needle here. Okay.
• 1:28:10
  I love how deep the pig stuff goes.
• 1:28:14
  I, the person that originally wrote like, OK, Chinese Zodiac,
• 1:28:17
  this is really meaningful to have, and I like that everybody
• 1:28:20
  since then has been like pigs. Everywhere.
• 1:28:25
  Let's set this on a pig fawn. I just.
• 1:28:29
  I want one little. I want some really unhinged
• 1:28:36
  assistant way down in the road, like instead of being silent
• 1:28:40
  like they're supposed to be when they're pignapping to go.
• 1:28:47
  So they both wake up, they are trained up and John is there and
• 1:28:51
  she goes John, John Kramer. And he goes.
• 1:28:53
  Hello, Alda. He's rocking the soul patch.
• 1:28:57
  Yeah, he's. Filming himself.
• 1:28:58
  This is like groovy. This is groovy, John.
• 1:29:01
  This is John in his Limp Bizkit era.
• 1:29:04
  Oh God, yeah. That's why he has a.
• 1:29:07
  Backwards cap on he's he thinks he's Fred Durris.
• 1:29:11
  That's why he's such an asshole. It would be funny if he would
• 1:29:15
  just like drop in like a like a Limp, Bizkit quotes and it's
• 1:29:19
  like. It's all about that, he said,
• 1:29:21
  She said. Bullshit.
• 1:29:22
  Like he's like, it's just one of those days.
• 1:29:26
  Yeah, that would be Tagline. It's just one of those days.
• 1:29:35
  With the camera I. Didn't even think about that.
• 1:29:43
  It's just one of those days. Oh my God.
• 1:29:53
  I can picture it all perfectly in my head.
• 1:29:55
  I can't wait for that. That's going to be beautiful.
• 1:29:58
  Did you put? A tiny backwards cap on mouth.
• 1:30:01
  Kramer. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:03
  Yeah. Oh God.
• 1:30:05
  Oh man. I'm crying.
• 1:30:07
  Yeah, that was that was crazy. Oh, God, I'm glad.
• 1:30:11
  This is what Saul does. This man.
• 1:30:13
  This is what we. Do.
• 1:30:13
  Why? It's like one of the best
• 1:30:15
  franchises around. Yeah.
• 1:30:17
  OK, so aside from his Fred Durst quotes, he's he.
• 1:30:22
  Says. Ryan is actually responsible for
• 1:30:25
  the three deaths 'cause he caused a car crash and I don't
• 1:30:32
  know why, but this scene makes me think of an escape room, the
• 1:30:36
  one dude's back story where they're drunk driving and
• 1:30:39
  singing Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.
• 1:30:41
  Yeah, it is a lot like that. It also made me think of I
• 1:30:43
  didn't know what you did last. Time.
• 1:30:44
  Yeah. Also that, Yeah.
• 1:30:45
  So basically he's just being a drunk asshole.
• 1:30:47
  And his friends were like, hey, don't be a drunk asshole.
• 1:30:49
  And then he fell out of the car and they crashed.
• 1:30:52
  Pretty much. And then Anna, he tells her he's
• 1:30:57
  like, yeah, you're not really being too truthful about the
• 1:30:59
  whole situation there. And then reveals that she
• 1:31:01
  actually he he was the neighbors.
• 1:31:03
  So he overheard them fighting, He saw them fighting a lot.
• 1:31:06
  And then one night he overheard her and the baby was crying.
• 1:31:11
  And she got mad, lost her shit, killed the baby, went into her
• 1:31:17
  husband's room and framed him for the murder.
• 1:31:19
  So does that mean John Kramer aided and abetted baby murder?
• 1:31:27
  Yeah, he didn't come clean. And really, it was just
• 1:31:30
  speculation, but probably not because he could probably
• 1:31:32
  actually hear that baby being killed.
• 1:31:34
  Yeah, I mean, and it shows him like in the window you can see
• 1:31:37
  him. This is why he started, like
• 1:31:39
  living in abandoned buildings. I guess he just, like, really
• 1:31:42
  does go by the whole snitch skits, stitches.
• 1:31:45
  Yeah, and he said, you know, it's just like this.
• 1:31:49
  You know, we don't always get what we want.
• 1:31:50
  Like the resident that mixed up my X-ray files, delayed my
• 1:31:53
  cancer diagnosis. I want to live, but, you know,
• 1:31:56
  it's fine. Also, you know, your husband
• 1:31:59
  wanted to live until he thought he killed your baby, and then he
• 1:32:02
  killed himself. So that's that's been honor.
• 1:32:06
  They discovered that they're the.
• 1:32:07
  Meanwhile, Eleanor and Logan are at Tux Pig Farm.
• 1:32:12
  It was shut down because of the Ojeski's disease, and it's owned
• 1:32:17
  by Jeltux family. Oh.
• 1:32:20
  Connections. IA Internal Affairs is looking
• 1:32:23
  for Halloran. He is not at his house and he is
• 1:32:26
  his house is designed in the most 70s This bullshit ever.
• 1:32:32
  It's like panel or 60s. It's like panel wood.
• 1:32:35
  It's like that yellow linoleum covered fridge.
• 1:32:39
  I feel like Savile doesn't live in like a very defined decade.
• 1:32:43
  Like it's just kind of like very ambiguous.
• 1:32:45
  Yeah, so they. Find the puzzle pieces in his
• 1:32:48
  fridge. What were they doing looking at
• 1:32:49
  his fridge? Were they hungry?
• 1:32:51
  They don't get a little snack while they waited for.
• 1:32:53
  Him. You gotta look, man, you got, I
• 1:32:55
  mean, like, body parts in fridge, you know, that makes
• 1:32:58
  sense. I get it.
• 1:32:59
  John gives him like a whole lesson on the pig.
• 1:33:01
  He said that pigs are very compassionate creatures.
• 1:33:04
  They get mad and upset whenever they see other people and other
• 1:33:07
  living things suffer apparently. And like he he really is like
• 1:33:11
  what? So why do you choose the pig if,
• 1:33:14
  like that is your message? Because you seem to enjoy
• 1:33:18
  watching people. Suffer.
• 1:33:19
  Yeah, You don't seem especially compassionate.
• 1:33:21
  You're very own pig like of you, John.
• 1:33:23
  Yeah, but he says that their key to freedom is right here if they
• 1:33:28
  turn it all around. So he loads a shotgun with a
• 1:33:33
  shell, cocks the thing, and then he's like, I'll be watching.
• 1:33:37
  And this is where I was like, he's been watching the whole
• 1:33:39
  thing. So he's been like, manipulating
• 1:33:41
  all the controls. That makes sense.
• 1:33:44
  Meanwhile, Logan, because he and Eleanor had found the game and
• 1:33:47
  there's like fresh blood, and he's like, Eleanor was this you?
• 1:33:51
  And then Halloran appears, and he and Logan start fighting, so
• 1:33:54
  Eleanor runs. Horan holds him hostage and
• 1:33:58
  yeah, like Logan manages to, like, fight his way out of it.
• 1:34:02
  They get kidnapped? Yeah, Elle gets away.
• 1:34:06
  And then how Aaron gets jabbed with a syringe when he makes
• 1:34:10
  away 'cause they all kind of split up.
• 1:34:11
  I think you mean he was porked with a syringe.
• 1:34:13
  He was porked, Yes. So I'm gonna.
• 1:34:16
  Have to like. Look at the.
• 1:34:17
  Latin. Words for pigs?
• 1:34:20
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:34:22
  OK before, OK And then now we go over to Anna and Ryan and I.
• 1:34:26
  Was like, he wants me to shoot you.
• 1:34:27
  And Ryan's like, I don't think that's what he was saying.
• 1:34:30
  And she's like, no, he wants me to shoot you so that way I can
• 1:34:32
  be free. And he's like, I really don't
• 1:34:34
  think so. And then she shoots, except it
• 1:34:36
  misfires, hits her, but it's half her face off.
• 1:34:39
  Ryan sees that there is a key in the shell that came out.
• 1:34:45
  Actually 2 keys. Their colors match the they're
• 1:34:48
  they're padlocks, and both keys are destroyed, so he's got no
• 1:34:52
  way out. If I was him, I'm just fucking
• 1:34:54
  on time a tourniquet at that point.
• 1:34:56
  You know what I mean? Isn't.
• 1:34:57
  It tied to that though. No, I'm just saying I.
• 1:35:00
  Just lead out faster, yeah. Yeah, yeah, probably.
• 1:35:03
  Yeah, he's not gonna make it too much longer anyway.
• 1:35:05
  Let's just speed this shit up, yeah?
• 1:35:08
  OK, so how Aron and Logan, they wake up, they have a device
• 1:35:12
  around their neck too, and they are told to confess why they
• 1:35:15
  deserve to die. So how Aron goes first?
• 1:35:18
  Well, OK, yeah, they have to hit a button to determine who's
• 1:35:21
  gonna go 1st and how. Aron says I will, except then he
• 1:35:24
  hits Logan's button. So.
• 1:35:26
  That's right. Yeah, so Logan, you know, says
• 1:35:29
  that. What was it?
• 1:35:33
  He messed up John's X-rays and that's why he deserves to be
• 1:35:37
  there because he potentially ruined John's life.
• 1:35:40
  Except then the lasers still go down anyway.
• 1:35:42
  He's blood is bubbling up and he falls to the floor.
• 1:35:45
  Yeah, I mean, like the blood shoots up, but like the lasers
• 1:35:49
  go down his whole head. And like you would think like if
• 1:35:52
  that show was actually doing damage, you would be able to see
• 1:35:54
  it. It would be visible.
• 1:35:56
  But how are in stupid? How are in?
• 1:35:57
  Is pretty stupid here. So now his lasers activate, he
• 1:36:00
  reveals. Like I'm responsible for their
• 1:36:02
  shit ton of people. Die.
• 1:36:03
  Evidence tampering, taking bribes, putting innocents in
• 1:36:06
  jail and letting the guilty walk free.
• 1:36:10
  And then the lasers stop and he's like, OK, cool, I'm free.
• 1:36:13
  And he looks up at the ceiling, and the lasers had made, like,
• 1:36:16
  all kinds of marks in the ceiling.
• 1:36:17
  And then he looks over at Logan's side.
• 1:36:19
  No marks. I like how that was shot.
• 1:36:21
  Yeah. It's just silent.
• 1:36:22
  And you just kind of like have to sit there and lean around,
• 1:36:24
  like wait a minute. And then as soon as you make
• 1:36:27
  that realization, that's when Logan starts to stand up.
• 1:36:30
  And he goes, 10 years ago a game was played in this very barn.
• 1:36:34
  And that's actually what we've been watching.
• 1:36:36
  He was the first bucket head that got pulled into the wall,
• 1:36:38
  And for somehow, for the only time in his life, this must be
• 1:36:41
  before the tumor got pulled from his brain, because.
• 1:36:44
  Yeah, John had a change of heart and he's like, no, no, sweet
• 1:36:47
  baby, come here. He's like, come here, Logan.
• 1:36:49
  Yeah, he's like, I'm so sorry. Logan.
• 1:36:54
  So yeah. And then we get like this whole
• 1:36:55
  history of him, like they've he's like, I guess technically a
• 1:36:59
  jigsaw, but he was never involved in the other shit.
• 1:37:02
  He isn't. But he is The Apprentice that
• 1:37:05
  Jon wanted every other apprentice to be, because he
• 1:37:07
  truly was like trying to get like speak for the dead and
• 1:37:12
  point out the wrongs that are happening in life.
• 1:37:14
  And he's not doing it out of anger.
• 1:37:18
  That's true that all of his other people failed like he's
• 1:37:20
  he's pretty bad at picking proteges.
• 1:37:22
  Yeah, so he was recreating this game to frame Halloran,
• 1:37:28
  basically. So he used people from
• 1:37:30
  Halloran's cases and then he's about to hit the collar and
• 1:37:34
  Halloran's like, wait, but Jigsaw always gives people a
• 1:37:36
  choice and he's like you do. Have a choice, Scream.
• 1:37:39
  Or don't. Yep.
• 1:37:41
  And then the always just cut him up.
• 1:37:43
  He's dead. He turns into a demogorgon,
• 1:37:45
  yeah. He does, yeah.
• 1:37:48
  He looks exactly like the. Dead.
• 1:37:49
  And then Logan says game over. Just kidding, Logan says.
• 1:37:53
  I speak for the dead. Yeah.
• 1:37:57
  Oh, and it also shows that Logan shot Edgar.
• 1:37:59
  Did we say that? Yo, yeah.
• 1:38:01
  Yeah, like he he like, I think this is stupid, Like he was also
• 1:38:04
  up on a building there with a sniper rifle.
• 1:38:06
  Like, did nobody hear a fucking sniper rifle go off behind them?
• 1:38:10
  Yeah, he's a sniper, but they all, they were all shooting too
• 1:38:13
  anyway. I feel like you would notice
• 1:38:15
  that like that gun, like a sniper rifle, is going to sound
• 1:38:18
  a lot different than a handgun. Probably, yeah.
• 1:38:21
  But the Saw Ville police force has trouble recruiting and
• 1:38:25
  retaining cadets. Yeah, so.
• 1:38:28
  Who brought the sniper? God damn it.
• 1:38:32
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:38:33
  So yeah. That's it.
• 1:38:34
  That's it. OK, I'm keeping it 725.
• 1:38:40
  I'm gonna keep mine at 8, honestly.
• 1:38:42
  Like, I I wish that they'd had one more movie after this,
• 1:38:45
  because I would have liked to see what they could have done.
• 1:38:49
  Like it feels like maybe they had some more ideas that could
• 1:38:51
  have fleshed out Logan to be interesting.
• 1:38:55
  I don't know. Man, man, he didn't really have
• 1:38:59
  much going for him in this. I just don't care.
• 1:39:01
  He's so forgettable as a jigsaw. Really, really, really want to
• 1:39:06
  see Costas and Amanda teaming up for once against Logan.
• 1:39:11
  They would be bullying. Yes.
• 1:39:13
  Absolutely Mean Girls Club for sure.
• 1:39:16
  So I was Daddy's favorite over here.
• 1:39:19
  Yeah, doing. I think it's possible for him to
• 1:39:22
  come back. The next one is basically a spin
• 1:39:26
  off. Yeah, the next one is like the
• 1:39:28
  only like really, truly independent movie in.
• 1:39:31
  A and then X is a prequel like, well, not a prequel but like set
• 1:39:36
  between Saw one and. 2. It's saw 1 1/2 basically.
• 1:39:40
  So I don't know, like, I mean he can come back if they wanted to.
• 1:39:44
  I just, I don't think that they're going to.
• 1:39:46
  I don't think that they liked how this was set up here, so
• 1:39:49
  they just wanted to scrap it. Yeah, well, and the problem is
• 1:39:52
  that this franchise, for the most part, has always been
• 1:39:55
  really good at its own weird continuity, and this one kind of
• 1:39:59
  makes things a little bit murkier.
• 1:40:01
  And they're, they're getting there now.
• 1:40:03
  They're getting weird. I did not care about at all.
• 1:40:06
  Like I can make all of this work in my head until we get.
• 1:40:10
  Socks. Yep, That's when it's starting
• 1:40:12
  to get a. Yeah.
• 1:40:12
  Now I'm like, oh, they they had a choice of like, do we try and
• 1:40:16
  incorporate the jigsaw timeline into this?
• 1:40:19
  No, it's not whatever. Yeah.
• 1:40:21
  But I still like this, maybe. I still feel like it has its
• 1:40:23
  place in the franchise overall. I'm OK with it.
• 1:40:27
  I am too. Yeah, it's fine.
• 1:40:28
  It's a good movie. OK, OK.
• 1:40:31
  What? You know what the weird thing
• 1:40:32
  is, though, Is that Stolberg wrote socks so he could have
• 1:40:37
  incorporated it himself. Yeah, he could have.
• 1:40:40
  But I guess maybe they were. They told him to do one from
• 1:40:44
  back then, You know, I don't know whose idea.
• 1:40:46
  What was that? I don't.
• 1:40:46
  Know, I guess we'll find out sooner enough.
• 1:40:48
  Yeah, So what would what would be the change that we would make
• 1:40:50
  for this? I guess it's my thing since I
• 1:40:53
  got the lower score I. I really just want the the
• 1:40:56
  reason for sparing Logan to be different.
• 1:41:01
  I mean, yeah, that was really lame.
• 1:41:02
  I just want. I wanna.
• 1:41:04
  I would have been a lot happier if it was Eleanor.
• 1:41:07
  Yeah. Like, honestly, like Logan, I
• 1:41:09
  just don't care for his character.
• 1:41:11
  He's just bland. I just, yeah.
• 1:41:13
  Oh, or like Eleanor was actually really Jigsaw's apprentice, and
• 1:41:17
  she set him up or something, maybe.
• 1:41:19
  It's like a double set up in this movie.
• 1:41:21
  Yeah, I mean. Sure, whatever.
• 1:41:23
  I don't. Care how you do it.
• 1:41:24
  I just want it to be. You know what I mean?
• 1:41:26
  Like I don't want. I don't want Logan as the
• 1:41:28
  jigsaw. It's just it's lame, OK?
• 1:41:31
  OK. What?
• 1:41:32
  It's how you think of it. Talia Boy.
• 1:41:36
  At the beginning, she was getting water.
• 1:41:38
  She was playing with her toys. She dropped multiple unicorns on
• 1:41:41
  the table trying to get us to play with her.
• 1:41:43
  She had to go outside of 31 minutes and 56 seconds As she
• 1:41:47
  came in. She played a little bit more and
• 1:41:49
  then she was sleepy. I think she got really offended
• 1:41:52
  at the face thing. And then she was like, you know
• 1:41:54
  what? I'm not playing with you guys
• 1:41:55
  anymore. I think she got really excited
• 1:41:57
  though. I saw she's like, oh, we're
• 1:41:58
  watching the song movie Funky. Let's do this.
• 1:42:00
  So I think Talia is gonna give this 7 1/2.
• 1:42:04
  OK. She would have given it an 8 for
• 1:42:07
  similar reasons as me. It is the 8th installment and
• 1:42:09
  that's a good score for it. Yeah, but the face thing just
• 1:42:12
  upset her. Yeah, put her in a bad mood.
• 1:42:14
  It's not fair. Yeah.
• 1:42:15
  Yeah. And Zoe did, in fact, watch
• 1:42:17
  this. She.
• 1:42:20
  In her Lawrence. Gordon shark bed.
• 1:42:21
  Well, at the end, finally, yes. Before that, Scout was laying on
• 1:42:26
  Lawrence Gordon, a shark bed, and Zoe didn't know what to do,
• 1:42:30
  so she kinda like crawled into an incline on top of my purse,
• 1:42:34
  which was next to Lawrence Gordon.
• 1:42:37
  She was just really confused about.
• 1:42:38
  That she was, she was like, I don't.
• 1:42:40
  She was like, this doesn't feel right.
• 1:42:42
  She's like, I'll do it. Like, I guess if this is what
• 1:42:44
  we're. Doing she she.
• 1:42:46
  Wasn't she wasn't feeling it. Right.
• 1:42:48
  Poor Zoe. We didn't mean for you to, like,
• 1:42:50
  lay on that. That's not what we're saying.
• 1:42:52
  Like I'll move that if you want me to.
• 1:42:53
  And she goes, no, I'm here, it's fine.
• 1:42:57
  So she did watch it though. She watches the Saw movies.
• 1:43:00
  Who did you relate to? Oh, the woman that died from her
• 1:43:03
  inhaler being stolen. Oh yeah, that's definitely good.
• 1:43:09
  Who did I relate to? I relate to Eleanor because I I
• 1:43:15
  don't know. I don't know if I would get
• 1:43:16
  into, like, the serial killer shit, but like, I was into like
• 1:43:18
  those old, like, weird websites back in the day.
• 1:43:21
  There's one like some gross shit.
• 1:43:24
  Like, I saw all those videos you weren't supposed to see back
• 1:43:29
  then. You know what I mean?
• 1:43:30
  Like all the famous Internet videos I saw, there's a website,
• 1:43:36
  Those of you who know, know rotten.com.
• 1:43:38
  OK, a lot of fucked up shit on there.
• 1:43:42
  So yeah, like, I I guarantee you she was like very frequent
• 1:43:45
  visitors or a very frequent visitor on those sites.
• 1:43:49
  And I was part of that too. No dream sequel, since this is
• 1:43:53
  our franchise. No.
• 1:43:54
  Which game do we think we'd survive?
• 1:43:57
  Well. I say about the fucking syringe
• 1:44:00
  one. Wait.
• 1:44:00
  All right, let's list them all again.
• 1:44:02
  Bucket. So bucket head.
• 1:44:04
  Syringe, syringe, piano leg. Piano leg.
• 1:44:10
  We can't really count the silo because that's part, yeah.
• 1:44:13
  And then the curly fry. Yeah, what?
• 1:44:16
  What do we call it? I'm calling it the Curly Fry I.
• 1:44:18
  Don't even know if that kind of turbine's the correct term.
• 1:44:20
  I just saw a thing as I that looks like it could be a
• 1:44:22
  turbine. I don't you know, I.
• 1:44:24
  Don't know what a turbine is, but when I picture, when I hear
• 1:44:27
  the word I picture. That's pretty much it.
• 1:44:29
  Like it feels like what I would expect is Herbine to be.
• 1:44:32
  So that's what I'm going to call it.
• 1:44:36
  I mean, yeah, and the shotgun. OK.
• 1:44:40
  So I mean the easiest one to survive is the bucket had one
• 1:44:43
  because you just got to get a tiny little nick on the the saw
• 1:44:47
  and just get a little bit of blood.
• 1:44:49
  I feel like I'd do some dumb shit like Mitch or Carly,
• 1:44:52
  though, and get pulled into it too far.
• 1:44:54
  I would, no. OK.
• 1:44:55
  I would try and do the Mitch thing, but I wouldn't back out
• 1:44:57
  like he did and fuck it up. No, I think I survived the
• 1:45:01
  syringe one 'cause she knew the answer right away.
• 1:45:03
  And then I just feel like, well, I'm gonna die of a poison either
• 1:45:06
  way. Maybe this will be faster if
• 1:45:08
  it's wrong. That's true.
• 1:45:09
  Yeah. So, OK.
• 1:45:13
  All right, we got the tagline. It's one of those days.
• 1:45:15
  One of those days. OK, so now it's time for
• 1:45:19
  Internet reviews. What did you pull for us this
• 1:45:21
  week? This one's from IMDb and it was
• 1:45:24
  like a two or three out of 10, and it was really fucking long
• 1:45:27
  because people on the Internet get worked up about stuff, so
• 1:45:30
  I'm just gonna read part of it, OK?
• 1:45:33
  The original seven saw movies build a rich story of a man
• 1:45:36
  seeking a higher purpose for the relatively short time he had
• 1:45:38
  left on the planet. The story was woven with layer
• 1:45:40
  after layer of twists and turns that actually piggybacked of
• 1:45:46
  each other to leave the viewer with really good wow moments.
• 1:45:52
  You know, talking about the difference.
• 1:45:53
  It like we learned that Lawrence Gordon, the Doctor, is the one
• 1:45:56
  that did various things to help out, like pointing out all those
• 1:45:59
  different layers they go through and explain all that.
• 1:46:01
  This movie introducing another apprentice and giving zero
• 1:46:05
  reason why he's never mentioned in the seven other movies is
• 1:46:07
  absolutely insane. I'm sure someone will point out,
• 1:46:10
  but he was the guy who mixed up X-rays.
• 1:46:12
  OK, except mixed up X-rays are never talked about in any of the
• 1:46:15
  seven other movies. Even in the later movies where
• 1:46:18
  we get the bulk of Kramer story, we're told that he knew he had
• 1:46:21
  cancer and the reason he wasn't operated on is because insurance
• 1:46:23
  denied him for pre-existing conditions.
• 1:46:26
  Another thing that drove me nuts about this movie is this.
• 1:46:28
  When the people make it past the part where the chains are
• 1:46:30
  initially released from around their necks, they go straight
• 1:46:33
  for the locked door. When their barn they're in as
• 1:46:35
  rickety as heck and you can clearly see that the boards
• 1:46:38
  holding it together are quite far apart, old, and could most
• 1:46:42
  likely be broken through with any of the farm tools that are
• 1:46:44
  just lying around. I mean, come on, they try and
• 1:46:47
  show later on that old pig face is stalking them, making sure
• 1:46:50
  they finish the game. But at this point there are
• 1:46:52
  three players still left in relatively good shape and if all
• 1:46:55
  of them grabbed an axe picked shovel and broke through the
• 1:46:56
  side of the Dang barn, they could take on whoever came at
• 1:47:00
  them together. Also the new jigsaw.
• 1:47:02
  Jesus Christ, please, please don't let this guy come back to
• 1:47:05
  the series as has a crap back story.
• 1:47:09
  Oh, that's kind of rude. And 0.
• 1:47:11
  Charisma. I think they just mean like, not
• 1:47:13
  very like, you know, inventive or like, it's not really like.
• 1:47:17
  I think it's an interesting take on it, 'cause, you know, we
• 1:47:20
  know, yeah, we know that Jigsaw loves to prey on people that
• 1:47:24
  have, like actual, like, tragedies happen to them without
• 1:47:27
  taking into account that those might have an impact on their
• 1:47:30
  behavior. So I kind of like that.
• 1:47:34
  I I mean, I think that they're kind of OK, they're on point
• 1:47:39
  with the criticisms on Logan because I just, I agree.
• 1:47:43
  Like none of that shit was ever brought up before.
• 1:47:46
  And like okay, cool, you're writing the movie after the
• 1:47:49
  fact. I can you know it's not going to
• 1:47:50
  address that stuff. But like.
• 1:47:52
  Up until the Jigsaw reveal, he's kind of a Gary Stew.
• 1:47:55
  Well, yeah, he is. But I mean, just write it in,
• 1:47:57
  find a way to tie it in better, more naturally.
• 1:48:00
  It doesn't. You're trying to jam this shit
• 1:48:02
  into the past movies and it doesn't fit.
• 1:48:06
  That's a wrong jigsaw piece puzzle right there.
• 1:48:09
  You're not making it fit, man. It's just.
• 1:48:11
  It was cut from inferior steel. Yes it was.
• 1:48:14
  But seriously, it's just like that doesn't work for me.
• 1:48:19
  I 100% get that. The other thing with the old ass
• 1:48:23
  barn, I guarantee you he had something rigged up there for
• 1:48:27
  them to not be. Able to think about the murder
• 1:48:29
  House in saw too. Yeah, like like either it's
• 1:48:32
  going to shock you or he, like, reinforced it with some kind of,
• 1:48:35
  like still bars or some shit inside the planks.
• 1:48:38
  Like, yeah, he's, he does all kinds of like, 'cause.
• 1:48:41
  Like at one point, when Anna is like trying to get through a
• 1:48:44
  door, she can't. Yeah, I guarantee you there was
• 1:48:46
  something there preventing them from like if they were to have
• 1:48:49
  like tried that, I guarantee you it would have fell.
• 1:48:51
  And yeah, it might have been nice to show that some of the
• 1:48:53
  audience knows, but I mean, we know Drake saw at this point.
• 1:48:56
  Yeah, exactly. Like, you know that that's not
• 1:48:58
  going to work. It's not, you're not going to
• 1:48:59
  get an easy out. I mean, there's a whole thing
• 1:49:01
  like, no shortcuts in this movie.
• 1:49:03
  Like you got to go through all of this shit he makes sure of.
• 1:49:06
  It and also like I wonder, I wonder if they were forced to
• 1:49:11
  come up with this alternate apprentice type person when
• 1:49:16
  Lionsgate kept turning down their different pitches, you
• 1:49:19
  know what I mean? And it makes sense that, you
• 1:49:21
  know, with them writing socks that they would kind of
• 1:49:23
  abandoned this if this wasn't the thing that they were trying
• 1:49:25
  to write about all along, you know?
• 1:49:28
  Yeah, it makes sense. It, you know, it just fuck it,
• 1:49:31
  man. Like, I'm glad that they
• 1:49:34
  abandoned it, honestly, because, like, it works as its own thing.
• 1:49:37
  But I don't want to follow this guy for the rest of the series.
• 1:49:40
  Yeah, it would be interesting to see maybe what he could do going
• 1:49:44
  forward, but I would definitely want some more of those legacy
• 1:49:46
  characters. Like we never got resolution on
• 1:49:49
  Kostas. Like he didn't actually die at
• 1:49:51
  the end of 3D. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:49:53
  So yeah, So I mean. Well, I mean, it's implied he
• 1:49:55
  did, but him. Lawrence Gordon A doctor.
• 1:50:00
  Hasn't it was implied to have died also?
• 1:50:02
  It was implied that the rule in horror movies if you don't see a
• 1:50:05
  body. Exactly.
• 1:50:06
  And I feel like that's like extra true in Saw movies at this
• 1:50:09
  point. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:50:11
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:50:12
  All right, time for listening reviews.
• 1:50:15
  OK. Okey dokey.
• 1:50:17
  Twitter fucked us over, so we don't have any Twitter reviews.
• 1:50:20
  It just it would not push that that algorithmically for us.
• 1:50:24
  For whatever reason, it got almost no views.
• 1:50:26
  Yeah, like, I don't know what it was.
• 1:50:28
  Twitter just didn't like us this weekend with that.
• 1:50:30
  They liked all of the Talia stuff.
• 1:50:31
  And stuff. They liked all of the Talia
• 1:50:32
  stuff. They liked our anyone But You
• 1:50:35
  post. They just didn't didn't want
• 1:50:38
  anything to do with Jigsaw for whatever reason.
• 1:50:40
  So this is all gonna be Instagram, OK?
• 1:50:44
  Prisso is just says Nah not. Not too keen on this one right
• 1:50:49
  there. I would love if you want to like
• 1:50:51
  give us an explanation. If you hear this like, let us
• 1:50:54
  know. Yeah, but I mean, I get it.
• 1:50:56
  I mean, I want to say why this is a weaker one in other
• 1:50:59
  people's like minds. Like I I get why nobody wants to
• 1:51:03
  revisit this one as much as the other.
• 1:51:04
  Movie. But I want to hear why.
• 1:51:06
  People's specific reasons for that is I do too.
• 1:51:08
  Yeah, you know, short reviews like that, like just, you know,
• 1:51:11
  it gets it across, Jesse wrote. No.
• 1:51:17
  Because. I was being a Dick to you I
• 1:51:20
  didn't expect. You to read it.
• 1:51:21
  Out. Hey, Jesse, Why?
• 1:51:23
  Just tell me why. No, I was telling you I wasn't
• 1:51:25
  going to review it. You said what are your tell me
• 1:51:28
  your. Thoughts.
• 1:51:28
  Tell me why you don't want to review it.
• 1:51:30
  Because I knew I was going to be doing.
• 1:51:32
  This OK, there we. Go so everything I just said the
• 1:51:34
  past two hours. Thank you.
• 1:51:35
  Thank you. OK, and finally, Cube Save says
• 1:51:39
  this movie feels contractually obligated.
• 1:51:42
  You know what kind of like? Maybe like we need another Saw
• 1:51:45
  movie. Like we need to get some juice
• 1:51:47
  back into our like, shit here. Here's The thing is that Solberg
• 1:51:53
  and Goldfinger can do some really deranged shit with an
• 1:51:56
  existing universe or franchise or property or whatever have
• 1:52:01
  you. But they need to have a little
• 1:52:02
  bit of freedom, and I think Lion's Gate making them rewrite
• 1:52:05
  shit over and over again might have hurt this some.
• 1:52:08
  Yeah, I mean, because they did great with Saw X.
• 1:52:10
  Yeah, who knows? Who knows what?
• 1:52:12
  The. Story do great with Piranha 3.
• 1:52:15
  D Kevin Graeter's in this in Peace.
• 1:52:18
  He added it, though. This right here, Yeah, but I
• 1:52:21
  mean like. From which direct?
• 1:52:23
  Point of view, like, you know, because like maybe, like he's
• 1:52:26
  got a little bit more say in this series there.
• 1:52:29
  Like, maybe he can be like, listen guys, like, I understand
• 1:52:31
  what you're saying, but we really needed to go in this
• 1:52:33
  direction. Yeah.
• 1:52:34
  Yeah, I don't know. I mean, yeah, this, it does kind
• 1:52:37
  of reek of like studio interference, especially with
• 1:52:40
  what all you said. Like, I guarantee you they had
• 1:52:42
  their handprints like all over the script of this thing, Yeah?
• 1:52:45
  Yeah, I just, but I'm still generally, I'm overall happy
• 1:52:48
  with the vibes that they bring to this franchise and you can
• 1:52:51
  tell that they they have fun with it, so.
• 1:52:54
  Yeah, I generally like this movie a lot too.
• 1:52:56
  Like, I mean, it's still a fun saw movie for me to watch.
• 1:52:59
  I don't have any problems. And it is one that we've put on
• 1:53:02
  just randomly for the record. We did that for every single Saw
• 1:53:05
  movie. We all get watches in this
• 1:53:07
  house. Yeah.
• 1:53:08
  OK, all right. That's it.
• 1:53:10
  That's it for our reviews this week.
• 1:53:11
  That's it for our views, actually.
• 1:53:14
  Don't have a movie for next week because next week is already
• 1:53:18
  April. That's wild.
• 1:53:20
  But this weekend we do have a 2B.
• 1:53:22
  Or not to be. Yeah, so that's fun.
• 1:53:24
  And it's gonna be Travis's Pig, so we'll see what happens with
• 1:53:28
  that. Be on the lookout for that on
• 1:53:29
  Sunday, you know, in between Easter egg hunting or what have
• 1:53:35
  you, You know, have some fun with that and then we'll be at
• 1:53:40
  you with the April schedule, probably around that time as
• 1:53:43
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• 1:53:45
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• 1:53:46
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• 1:55:50
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