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Fat Joe Is The Blackest N-Word We Know 🙄 · Heads Of State Podcast

• 0:16
  SPEAKER_06: Um, moving on.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, we were before we got rudely interrupted by me.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Trump wants to give out five thousand dollars to y'all, right?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_06: On top of the five G's for Doge and five G's for the tariffs.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_06: And he said he's gonna pay for this with the tariffs.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_06: So I saw, like, I'm not gonna play the clip, but we only made about$350 billion, I think, from tariffs.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_06: Or maybe it's$350.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_06: Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_06: It don't matter.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_06: For him to do this and make it a good thing.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_06: I know, but it would be about$1.3 trillion he'd have to pay out to everybody who's a voting age.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_06: Now, mind you, this is if you vote or not.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_06: He said it's a good thing.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_06: It's gonna be a lot of illegal citizens that that that's exactly.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_06: You want to talk about some illegal dogs?
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_05: You thought it was you thought it was dead voters now?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_05: We got that down to 700.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_05: They said it was gonna be 1.3 trillion, then we got it down to 600 billion.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like I am very uh skeptical.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_05: Well, it's like I said earlier, it's hope.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_05: Hope is the most powerful, hope is the most powerful joke.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_05: Why why people buy a lottery ticket?
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_05: No, and they're not gonna win Powerball.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_06: When somebody lies to you three times, oh, I'm gonna give you money and no, no, no, that's different.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_06: That's that's that's that's based on free will.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_06: You if you either have the money not to money if you want to vote for an incentive to get paid.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_05: Look, if you're hard up and you have an incentive of five thousand dollars to possibly get paid because your vote could lead to But it's not gonna happen.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_05: He's already said that he's already he hasn't paid anybody.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_05: But again, but again, your chances are increased by you voting that way versus voting the other way.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_05: And if you're hard up, that might be a good thing.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_05: You get more money voting the other way, though.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_05: You'll actually get a job.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_05: But that's what I'm saying.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_05: It's not about whether you get a job or not.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_05: It's still hope.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_05: What job you're gonna get?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_05: You're still hoping you're gonna get a job.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like right after the election you're gonna get a job.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_05: You're still like, damn, now it's a change, and I'm hoping this and hoping that.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe I'm getting 5,000 steps.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's it's a it's a smoke screen.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_05: It's all it's all politics.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, it it it's it's hard sometimes to is this even legal?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_05: How about that?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_05: Is it even legal?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I I don't know.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_05: It's almost like a look, it's almost like seems like bribey kind of bribery, yeah.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_05: But the the fact of the matter is he has no intention paying it.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_06: But you know, none of these democrats or anybody gonna do shit.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_05: But he has no intention paying it, so it doesn't matter.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_05: So it's like you can't say, Yeah, bribes.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_05: Uh if I had no, I didn't go to the bank, right?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_05: It's like the murder for hire, you need to pass cash.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_05: It can be five dollars, but you need to pass cash.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_05: You show up and you'd still like huh, I'm still thinking about this.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_05: I well, I'll pay, I'll take a deposit.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_05: Sometimes you see those videos and they're like, I'll take a deposit of$20.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_05: Literally, you'll get caught up$20 deposit.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_05: I'll take whatever.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_05: Just give me something,$20.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_05: I'm hard up.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_05: I need$20.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_05: That shit'll get you hemmed up for a murder for hire, right?
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_05: So that's the whole thing.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_05: The conundrum here is like that's where people are stuck in, is like a situation.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_07: So, like this is for the midterm elections, right?
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_07: And how's that going?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_07: Because you know I said once I moved out of shit.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_06: The governor race in Texas, where he has been he's planted in Texas rallying, they're tied.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_06: A Democrat is tied with a Republican in the polls.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_06: That's that's massive.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_05: Even in Ohio, I think there's some you know, situations happening.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_06: People, I mean, uh look, MAGA people are gonna be MAGA people.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_06: I see these insane people every day on the internet talking crazy.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_06: But I think the most of the majority now is even the ones that won't admit it, like like some people we know, they're gonna vote the other way, I'm pretty sure.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_06: Even though they say both sides are equal, it's just not true.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um, they're definitely gonna vote the other way for sure.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm I'm glad, but I hope, you know, I hope they don't like do anything stupid.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_06: Because did you see what's his name?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_06: What's his name?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_06: Hunter Biden.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_06: Is that his name?
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_06: The one with the coke head?
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, the son.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_06: He came out with a cryptocurrency and he rug pulled everybody.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, jeez.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_06: You didn't see that shit?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_06: They just put it out of laptop, you know, like his laptop.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_06: That's why they would try to subpoena the laptop.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_06: So he did it, they he did it, he said to troll the Trump people for doing what they did with the rug pull on their crypto.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_06: But it the people who bought it, it it went from here to here, like all the way down.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_06: Same, same thing.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_06: It just crashed, same day.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_06: And all the liquid, there was no liquidity, there was no money besides the money people put in, and everybody's money vaporized.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_06: And they put out a statement saying, Well, it's gonna, it's gonna go back up at some point.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_06: Like, that's what they say all the time.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_06: And I think they made like five, six million dollars or some shit like that.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_06: And what the Biden did, his son, yeah.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, wow.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and now there's this clip floating around of him from some podcast talking about he wants to get into cryptocurrency, you know, to because he likes the way it's unregulated, and he's like, and to make some money too.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, oh shit.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, that's why I was saying they're all the same.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_07: With that movie.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, yeah, I mean, ultimately, yeah, like they're all this money.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_07: Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden and Don Jr., they should actually have like a UFC type match.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, they're all friends.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_07: That'd be pretty cool.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_07: They're all friends.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_07: Well, Don Jr.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_07: He's actually like, he's such a he's so swarmy.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_07: Like, he's he's a terrible guy.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_07: Like, he just looks terrible.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_05: He he reminds me a little bit of um what's the one that um whatchamacallit is maritude from the Kardashians, the white dude.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, Scott, Scott Disson.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_05: Don't talk bad about Scotty, but they they resemble each other like in their man of like back haircut.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_05: But like kind of like shady looking.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, like, you know.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_05: But but that dude though, the one guy, what's the guy's name again?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_05: The other one from Counterbiter?
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_05: No, Cardbiter.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_06: Scott Dizek.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_05: He definitely played his cards right.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_05: That dude, like, he got in there and he had a kid, a couple kids, right?
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_07: With uh he got about three or four kids with Courtney, and now he just what does he do now?
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_07: He doesn't do anything.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_07: I know you kids with the Kardashian kid.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_06: He just he's he was a rich kid, then he's still rich.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_05: What happened to uh Kardashian's younger brother, younger brother?
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_05: Did he get kidnapped or something?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_06: Not a fat nigga.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_06: Um where is he?
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, no, he he um yeah, he remember he had a kid with black china.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_07: Remember that?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_07: Remember he had a kid with black china?
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_07: And then they hated each other.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, he just like disappeared.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_06: He didn't disappear.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_06: He'd be on Instagram and shit.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_06: He's still he's still kind of chubby.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, but he but he's uh he's out in social media.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, because I haven't seen it.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_06: Well, he's 10 weeks ago.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, on something like that very private.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, he wanted to get off the scene.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he was real cool with Lamar.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_05: He was the only one that went to college and he went to USC.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_05: He actually, you know.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_05: He was like the most normal one, but I think the life just got caught up with him.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I'm sure it's difficult to be around to be in that scene because really everybody around you, you've got to be like swivel.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_05: You got because everywhere you go, everybody knows you're gonna be there.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_05: And you'd like to have a place where you can go places and no one knows you're gonna be there.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_05: Like any if just imagine everywhere you went, no matter what, grabbing a breakfast sandwich, whatever, people are anticipating you.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_07: Like Oh, he's coming, he's eating it now?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_05: And if you're there and within five minutes, you know, it's already a scene.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_07: He had a tough time because I think like when his dad passed, like he was supposed to be like the heir of the city.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_05: Because he was the only one that was the full kin of both of them, right?
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_07: No, Kim, Kim and Courtney are.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, okay.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I wouldn't have to be a good one.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_05: But I thought I thought they were I thought they were OJ's.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's how I thought.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_05: I thought OJ was the dad.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_06: That's not I mean they say that, that's the rumor, but you know.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_05: That would be the craziest shit ever if that was true.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yo, could you imagine?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_05: That'll get OJ 37,000 more documentaries.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_05: If that was to come out, because how many lawyer?
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_07: Like, you guys want to go to Uncle Juice's house?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um, okay.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we go to Uncle Juice.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_05: It's the only trial that every 10 years there's new evidence, unseen, and new video footage, unseen for whatever reason.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_05: The OJ trial is the most like craziest quack.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_07: It hit at the right time, yo.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_07: It hit at the right time, yo.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_07: Like, and he was like the biggest man in that trial.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_07: Crazy.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_06: All right, what you got here?
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_07: What you got here?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_07: What you got?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_07: Can fat Joe say nigga?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_06: Can Fat Joe say nigga?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, this is I didn't want to I've been waiting to talk about this because I have my opinions.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, man.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_06: And also, you know, being being mixed, like being mixed race, I'm a little weird about saying nigga.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_06: Just saying that right now makes me a little weird about it.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_06: You say very good though, sir.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_06: You see, here my hard arms.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_06: My hard.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I do.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_06: I do.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_06: Are you guys does that bother you?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_06: You can tell me if it does, but I'll I'll just say it more.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_05: But it is, it's a interest, it's you know, it's an interesting thing that uh um I don't know.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_05: This whole this whole thing is kind of funny.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_05: It's kind of it's kind of who can say who can say who can say who can not say it and all this shit.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_06: Growing up in hip hop, and it's true what he's like, like what people are saying.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_06: When we what we Puerto Rican rappers uh back in the day, like big pop.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_06: But as as you start getting older and understand, you know, like historically and all that stuff, and then being around more elders and the way they look at you when you say it and all that type of shit, it just gets kind of weird.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_06: And you can see something like that.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_05: Well, what you know what the fact you know what the fact of the matter is, and this is kind of what I feel like should be the at the precipice of this conversation.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I don't want to trace my roots back to the word digger.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I don't want that to be, like, I'm not trying to claim who can say I had a better, I had a better past than this.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_05: My yeah, my lineage is not defending who can say this word.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I I think that's the weirdest thing to me.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_05: I look, I in general, I think the word is and I don't you when I was younger, I was outside, you know, we use that word from a time.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_05: When you're younger, we say all the time.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_05: Now it's like But as I get older, I'm not looking to defend the the lore or the the righteousness in using the word of the word, I 100% agree.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_05: I think it just sucks to use it in general, like and you get to a certain point and you're just like, I don't speak like that, right?
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_05: And so exactly.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't know.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_05: I feel like people get microcosmed into these arguments, but I I think it to answer the question whether he should or shouldn't, or could he should or say I think Fat Joe, based on how he came up and all that shit, it's like you grew up with wolves, you a wolf pack, right?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_05: Like you grew up, it was like different people that were from different races that got into the Italian doing business with the Italian mob on street shit that wasn't supposed to be doing, you know, like that's how it goes.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_05: There's always gonna be certain ones that get ster certified.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_05: So, and and that if you're protecting in that way, right?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_05: That so that's my opinion of it.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_07: I I I kind of lead right into that.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_07: Like when we were younger, yeah, we say it all the listen, all the damn time.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_07: As we get older, you don't.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_07: You you've aged out of it.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_07: It's and it's it's a very controversial word.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_07: Um, as far as Fat Joe goes, I I mean, I don't care.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_07: He's been saying this shit for since we was in seventh grade.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I don't know like what like why now be trying to check fat joe?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like it sounds so natural coming out of his mouth, too.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I yeah, Joe is an official cat.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_07: So yeah, Joe is certified.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_07: Like Joe is stand, like, yeah, he ain't he part of the you know, you know, when I like if I go out somewhere, like I go to a concert and I I I might see like a younger cat say it.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_07: I'm like, I don't know, I don't know.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_07: It's a weird word.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_07: That shit is weird, man.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_07: It's it's it's a weird word.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_07: I never would say that word around certain people, right?
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_07: Like, especially elders and yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I just don't say that word.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_07: Now, if I put my crew and you know, we pop off, yeah, but around people I'm comfortable with that I call my brothers, and that we, you know what I mean?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_07: So, where do you stand on it, um, Hugh?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_06: I need to stop saying it so much.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_06: I put it into my vernacular, and that's all hip hop's for, by the way.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_06: And being from New York, like, and I was and I I lived in a majority white area, but all the kids, all the black kids in my school was just like trying to be black.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, that's how that's how I'm like, like trying to be hood, like hood.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_06: So every other word was nigga this, nigga that.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_06: And and you know, me, and then again, being biracial, I I didn't growing up on Long Island, in Long Island, New York was tough because we were like like the black kids in my school, there's very few of them, but we were like more so like uh, you know, like oh you're black, let me touch your hair and shit.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_06: Like I white girls used to braid my hair.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_06: Like I used to have when I had hair, I see I didn't see that until until Columbia.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't see that until I got to the city.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, white girls they just loved to touch the hair and do this shit.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_05: It was like all the things.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_06: Other races, Spanish and black, that's it.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_05: Spanish and black.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but I I grew up like the dark, like even the Indian kids were like considered black.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_06: So there was like these badass Indian chicks who used to hang with us and shit.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_06: And then there was like, you know, the the there was only like two good-looking black girls in my school, and they all wanted to be white.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_06: So they were dating white boys and shit, which I thought was terrible.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_06: So I that's why I didn't really like black uh black kids.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_07: Hey, here, you you seem to be over it, but go keep going.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_06: When I went to college, though, all I wanted to do was date white girls.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_06: I want I I saw the the blondest, cheery.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_06: It took me a while to get there.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_06: White chick, and I wanted to be with her when I got to know me from he, you know, oh yeah.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I mean, I never had no white, like I know some of the European, like you know, but it was like in the it was, but it was it was not, but it was yeah, but it was you know, it was different situation.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_05: But but the at the end of the day, like my first, yeah, my first uh my first love was a Puerto Rican chick from the block.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_05: I used to be like, oh my goodness.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_05: I'd be like, ooh, yeah, did she say the N-word?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_05: My bell, my bell, my bell, and they and they and then uh they they had the Will Smith song, You Can Ring My Bell.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_05: And I used to be like, yo, my bell.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_05: She was like, yo, that's where her name was my bell, like my love, right?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_05: My bell.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_05: It was called my bell, yeah.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's why I remember that shit.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_05: She told me that she's like, my love, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, you love me.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_06: We we all gotta stop saying it though.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna stop saying it because I think Oud's a little, he don't like me saying it.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_06: You like like Kendrick and Drake, huh?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_06: You don't like it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_07: You don't like, you don't like when I say the that's not true, but I I just like we're we're we're to a point now where we're so like intelligent and so I agree.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_07: Like we don't have to.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, you have to have context.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_05: You know, you have to you say it in context, you say it, you know, you know, and and and and the thing about it is, you know, again, I think whoever feels comfortable enough to say it, I feel like it's probably in a place around people, right, that accept the fact that they say it and they've grown up in that type of way.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_05: And so you can't knock somebody.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_05: It's like knocking a white boy for rapping, right?
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like back in the day.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_05: They that used to be that that used to be, but that used to be the thing.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_05: It was like, yo, this white boy or or basketball.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like, remember basketball, only black people's good at basketball and shit.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_05: Like, oh, but but I'm but I'm but I'm saying, but I'm saying there's there's situations, right?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_05: There could be a majority of folks that, right?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_05: It's like calling Jason Williams white chocolate.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_05: The incentive, the the the I mean the incentive the uh inclination, right?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_05: He's a white black dude, right?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_05: White chocolate, because the way he dribbles and all that.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_05: So we can do that.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_05: So you know, yeah, we can we can we can go back and forth, but in in good context, you know.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_06: So I think people kind of That's more of a play on words to me, though.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_05: Well, it but again, it's a plan of words.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_05: He's a hip hop artist.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_05: Like, what the fuck?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I mean, the whole culture is based on that.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_05: That no, I'm talking about the play on words is matchup yet.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_05: No, it's a still it's a play on words.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_05: He's saying it because into the community.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_06: That's the way I look at it like that.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_07: He would never he would never say the M-word around Jamie Wowland if he's at the Knicks game.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_06: No, you think he would?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_06: I think he would if it just comes out of his mouth.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_06: Like he's like you ever hear him talk?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_06: Well, he didn't think I did it again.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_05: He did call Chalamet, he did call Chalamet uh Shalomat or something, you know.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_06: I mean he when he's comfortable, he you know, he talks the way he talks and he drops an N-bomb here or there.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, and and he's not like purposely doing it, but that's just the way the man talks.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_06: You know, you go back to old interviews, you know, obviously the way he raps, all that shit.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_06: But I I I never thought anything of it until people started questioning it.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_06: But then when he said, I'm the blackest nigga you know, blackest black guy.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_06: Is that what he said?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_07: He said, Yeah, I'm the blackest guy guys, I'm the blackest black guy.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_07: I'm the blackest guy.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, that's where it gets a little sketchy to me, because you're not black.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_05: But see, but see, here's the other thing, and this is kind of like one of those things that is existential because it's kind of out there in a way.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_05: But if everything comes from Africa, why are we debating who can get into that?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_05: Don't get into colors covered.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_05: But but no, because I don't see color bullshit.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, that's that's that I don't see color bullshit about Africa.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_05: No, it's not about sea color, but it's like it's pretty well known that the Caribbean and the Hispanic, the Espanol, and all that was African descent.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, very no no, we it's very it's very well documented.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_05: That it was African design.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, but there's one there's one part of the population that was selling and keeping the slaves, and another part that was.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_05: But being slavery, but but but but but what I'm saying is through all of the atrocities, the same way like slavery in this country, there was integration of African with those races of and being enslaved and enslaved by same way how black people were fucking white people.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_05: But but no, but what I'm saying is, but no, what I'm saying is American black or whatever.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_05: No, but what I'm saying is we're gonna slave because no, with this conversation, they talked about who their parents were and what gave them the right.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_05: So the one guy made a comment that his dad, before we get into all this and yah, yeah, yeah, he was like, My my dad's black.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_05: So I can the one of the hosts on the show, he was addressing whether Fat Joe could say it, whatever.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_05: The button show, right, right.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and he referenced that his dad was black.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_05: But here's my question.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, but here's my question, and that's that's where it becomes, and that's the point you brought up, right?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_05: If one parent is white, one parent is black, right?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_05: Then that automatically allows a kid to then have ownership over who can call someone nigga.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_05: Like, like you this is what we're talking about right now.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_05: That gives them a notch over a straight white kid if they got if they got one black parent.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_05: He hey, he has poetic license to use.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that's what that's what I'm saying.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_05: So, like, so so we're we're blood so so listen to what we're saying.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_05: Listen to what we're saying.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_05: We are blood, we are bloodlining for us to be able to use this word or judge those who use this word.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_05: We're doing that.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_05: That's what we're doing.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_05: My dad is my mom is black, so I don't think no no no anybody can use the word.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_06: It depends on the context.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_06: Context matters.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_06: When a white person uses it, it it's totally, you know.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_06: But but that's what I'm saying.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I'm saying.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_05: Fat Joe is like when you said he said, I'm the blackest nigga you know, right?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like when he's saying that, right?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: He from and and I described, like, yeah, there was you could be Puerto Rican, you could be this, you could be that, but there was, you know, Caribbean, all this, but it comes back to African descent in a lot of these ways.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_05: So if we have one black parent, right, that gives someone a right to say then like that that's what that's what we're talking about.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, but that's what they're saying.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_05: He can't say it because he doesn't have a black parent.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's what they were posing the question.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_05: He's only he's Puerto Rican, so he can't say it.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_05: Let me let me know.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_07: Does that Joe even know Spanish?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_06: I think so.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe a little bit.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_06: No, I don't think so.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think he knows Spanish.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_05: But but that's what they were trying to say.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_05: That's what they were saying.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_05: They were saying he can't say it, and then the guy that on Joe Button's show was like, before anybody gets whatever, he was like, My mom is Puerto Rican, my dad's black, so I'm black.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_05: So he said, the guy that was criticizing Fat Joe that he couldn't say it because his dad was black, but that's what I'm saying.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_06: Well, you ever see Fat Joe's parents?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_06: They look white as fuck.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_05: White Puerto Ricans, but but yeah, so but uh but yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_05: I don't we're we're kind of like heritaging the use of this word, which is fucking crazy to me.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_05: Like we're like passing this down.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_05: These are your dad's black, so you know what?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_05: You can say that word.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want to teach that.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_05: Like what if your dad was gay?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_06: Can you say the F word now?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_06: Like we can't say that no more.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_05: Well, well, what I'm saying is like that's kind that's the same nonsense, though.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_05: It's like, right?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think it's nonsense.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's it's probably Dave Chappelle's no Dave Chappelle had a great skit about this, where he said they would never let him use the word.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_05: And never on TV show, they would never let him use the word, but they would let him use the F word.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: For what you just said, right, Gabe?
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_05: No, they let him say that.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_06: It's the other way around.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_06: They let him use the N-word.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_06: No, no.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_06: But they couldn't say the F word or the R word.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_05: And they said, No, but see, but you know the point, but you know the point I'm gonna make.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_05: But you know the point I'm gonna make.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_05: And this is exactly the point I've been making, is that when he approached them about that, he said, You let me say all this other stuff, but you always let me say the N-word, he said, Well, you're not gay, and he said, I'm also not a nigga.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I'm saying, Hugh.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_05: I was we're not we're passing down, we're passing down they let him use it, but that's that's no, but uh they don't care.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_06: No, they don't they want us calling each other names.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_06: But but that's what I'm saying to white America.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, you're missing this point like drastically.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_05: I'm saying that we're having discussions and people internally are having discussions about the right to say a word that we really should not be saying because that doesn't describe us as a people, and we need to get off of that ultimately.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_06: So you're saying to me that like I said, if your dad was gay, can you say the F word and you went into this tangent about No, no, I I'm saying no, you shouldn't.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_05: I'm saying no, that's not something your dad should teach you you could say, and I made a parallel saying I would never teach my son that, hey, because your dad is black, you can say this word as a pass me down.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I was trying to make the point.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_05: That's the thing.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't matter if your dad says it or not.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_05: Hold on.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_05: That can you help?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: I don't am I is he missing the point?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, it doesn't.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_07: No, so basic so basically it's and the Chappelle um uh thing was real, and I remember that.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_07: And and you can even listen to hip-hop songs, like you can say a lot of shit in the hip-hop song.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_07: And you damn remember they even scratch out the part when uh when Jadakiss says snap chips like Hebrews.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_07: Like that scratch that out.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_07: But like, but he says, you know, I kill niggas.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_06: So it's like they didn't really start bleeping the N-word because we keep owning it.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_05: Because we keep owning it as a right of as a badge of honor.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we we we think like it's like the Well when you when you when you give it you turn it into a word of endearment and take the power back, then I think that's a good thing.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_06: I don't agree with that.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_07: But also it's a lot of people.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_07: How's it a term of endearment?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_07: It's a term of like you know, I think when you you know sometimes on clips on the fight fight clips on social media, and you'll see all types of types of people, white, black, and they'd be like, yo, I did this.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_07: Like they'll be really upset and mad and raven, they'll just spitting the N-word out.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_07: Because it adds such a it's like it's such a vile, ugly word.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's nasty.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's I would say what takes the power back is taking your ownership of your name that you weren't necessarily given, tracing right through, and then take making that something of your own instead of using a word, right, that was used to describe you being beneath the surface of the earth, essentially, right?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_05: We're not gonna use that as endearment, but this name Jones that you already got.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_06: See, this is this is the crazy part about any of this, and this shows how bad we are at being empowering ourselves.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_06: Gay people, Puerto Rican people, uh they take these words, these bad words, and use it amongst themselves the same way we do.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, but the F word, no, no, the F-word is not used.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_05: Gay people say it all the time to meet them.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, no, no.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, I mean, I don't that's actually I've seen it in fights.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_06: Women call each other bitch all the time.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_06: No, no.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_06: Um that's I'm just saying, like you're taking these negative words with negative connotation, negative, negative, negative things.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_06: They turn it into a uh not necessarily endear, but they use it amongst their circles.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_05: But let's go back though.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_05: And a Spanish person doesn't call unless there's a fight, uh a Spanish person doesn't call another Spanish person an S.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_05: Well, they say something else.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_05: But no, they'll say something else in a couple of things.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_05: But come on, let's say, but but let's go to what the people say as a derogatory.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_05: And let's use that word.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_05: Let's not say we're the only people that have this discussion that are saying, hey, no, we're we can't take the power from the world.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_05: A Jewish person doesn't say they do that a Jew No, as a joke or an endear.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_05: What they do are you really they do.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_06: You ever even know Jews do this shit over every race and culture?
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_06: This whole entire press.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_06: We don't go parties all the way.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_06: So what would a Jewish person call another Jewish person?
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_06: Like as a fun joke.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_06: I'm just saying that.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_05: A Chinese person would exactly the outside, the outside person that's picking that word, no, they don't take it in as an endearment.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_05: Hell no.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe they've got to be.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_05: We are the only people that do that type of nasty behavior.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_05: You're saying the C word or something or something like that.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_05: A Chinese person would be like, oh, hey, my, my no.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, they will never say that.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_05: They will never say that.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_05: It depends on where there's no okay.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_05: But hold on, you're really saying that you've but you've been around people that Asian or whatever races that just basically but you're saying you could have been around it, so what are you why are you referencing?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_06: It's all because we're black.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_06: We understand where that comes from.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_06: Because we have to understand we're describing the group that does this.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_06: I was in Kentucky, right?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_06: And I was on this boat with a white guy, right?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_06: And he was the captain.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_06: And we we went, I didn't say we were just told, but out of nowhere, he just goes, he's like, Why can't I say the N-word?
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_06: This is this white guy.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_06: He just wants it because you want to say it so bad.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_06: Like, because you want to say, but I'm like, What why do you care, right?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_06: And that's the thing.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_06: Like, the only reason that we care about this, or anybody cares about this, is because white people want to say it's so bad because they know what it means and they know what they know what it means to them as as as in in the social contract.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_05: And that's the whole thing.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_05: That's why we stick to the case.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but that's the only reason of endearment.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_06: But that doesn't matter.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_06: No, when you say my nigga or whatever, that is a term of endearment.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_06: You're just saying it to your boys.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_06: Why can't you say my brother?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_05: Why can't you say that too?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_05: But you can say God, you can say whatever.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_05: But uh, but you're but again, but again, we you can interchange three or four different words to say what's up to each other.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_05: But that's just the way it is in America.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_05: But the but the word Africans ain't doing that shit.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_06: Africans are calling us nigga in the bad way.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_05: But but but but but Hugh, the whole thing you said about the art.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_06: You call them nigga?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_06: What they call they call us the katas.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_05: But Hugh, the only the only the only thing the the the um shout out to shout out to Romelo.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but that see that is that word you call it.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_05: Other black people saying that shit.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_06: But that's other black people, right?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_06: But Hugh.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_06: So that's like it's it's weird, and it's only American black people that don't keep like why are we just why are we latching onto this?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's what I'm saying.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_05: That the whole thing is.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_05: It's not about latching onto it, it's about saying, hey, taking the power away.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_05: But they were derogative.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, you know what, you know what happened, which is kind of funny, where other races and other cultures took the power away by creating namesakes in different industries, whether it be Asian culture and dry cleaning industries, whether it be Indian and the medical industry and and a patel in the hotel industry, they took power in their name.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_05: The name, okay?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_06: Not what they call Wait, what are you talking about?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_06: The name of what the hotel?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_06: Motel 6?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_06: What the fuck you talking about?
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my god.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_06: They they took our creating something.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_05: So you're associating people owning dry cleaners and hotels to but they don't joke about their, they don't joke about, hey, my It's kind of racist to say, to be honest.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_06: That's a that's a stereotype.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_07: I why are you?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_07: No, no, you I don't I don't know.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_07: No, that's a stereotype.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_07: You're just using a stereotype.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_07: I don't I don't know you, you're missing.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_05: I think you're looking at it in a very like kind of I'm not even talking about very that doesn't make any sense to say it's they take dry cleaners.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_06: You're talking about dry cleaners and hotels.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, I'm gonna break it down very I'm gonna break it down very simply.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_05: Okay You made a point, you made a point saying, okay, we know what the nigga word comes from.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_05: We know, okay, so we can agree to the fact that it's a term of endearment.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna break this down to very simple word comes from, right?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_05: No, huge Spanish for black.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my god, Negro, yes, yes, Niger, yes, and you go, you go to Africa, there's certain there's in certain dialects that the the the the N-word actually means king.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_06: Okay in some dials, but maybe how Nigeria.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, it depends on how you flip it, but it is what it is.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, okay, but you we're not being dumb here.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_05: You said we took the power back, so you're not referencing fucking African kings.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_05: Like, let me just break this down.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_05: That's not how you started it, though.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_05: Talk about that power.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not no we started by talking about fat Joe being able to say nigga.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_05: We all agree.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_05: We'll finish the solution.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna go based on your scenario.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_05: We're taking the power back, okay?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_05: Not from kings, okay?
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_05: We're taking it back from derogatory terms, okay?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_05: So if we're taking it back from derogatory terms, and based on what you're saying, we use it as a term of endearment, okay?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_05: The derogatory terms and other races which you admit to the fact that you have not acknowledged that have not seen them use it as a term of endearment, they do not do.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_05: The C word is not used for Asian, you know, Chinese or you know, a Japanese person or whatever.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_05: Like these are they don't call themselves that.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_05: And and and a term of endearment, that's a fighting, even in the gay community.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_05: I I've seen it called that a UF word and a fight because they're angry at each other, not as my bro.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_05: So what I'm trying to make the point of saying is that in the power of the name, we were given different names, Miller and Jones and Johnson and whatever the fuck.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_05: We take power in the fact that we take a legacy in our name as a black family, and that namesake that we were given, but we transition a Bob Johnson, right?
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_05: A T, founder, right?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_05: That Johnson name was not his given name from his ancestors, right?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_05: But he's building a legacy based on that, not based on being telling people who can say the word nigga.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's beneath us.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_05: That's we're talk, but we're talking about who can say the word, and I'm talking about that's nonsensical as a race to have a conversation intellectually on who can say that word.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_05: Because who the fuck cares?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want to.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_05: So you don't care if a white guy calls you nigga then?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_05: It's not I'm not I'm not I'm not I don't say.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_05: Here's the thing.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_05: Here's the thing.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not in places and I don't associate myself in any way, shape, or form in a place that I'm never gonna be called that.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_05: And if I've ever called that, it's not gonna be someone that I respect.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_06: But but it's but it's not many white people you're around, they say that word amongst themselves.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_06: One of my best friends that we know you don't talk about.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_06: You just you just remember our friend, our our our our best friend is a white guy.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_05: So what are you talking about?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_06: No, I'm talking about our Persian friend, right?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_05: But but um but why are we talking about this?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_06: No, I'm just saying, he's one of my best friends.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_06: 20 years I've known his mother.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_06: He says that word casually around his white friend.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_06: But Hugh.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_06: That's why I don't talk to him no more.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_05: But Hugh, Hugh, what we're talking about, but what I'm talking about is not necessarily what someone can define me as.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_05: It's what I'm defining myself as well.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_05: Based on the company.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_06: But I'm in I'd rather know that they think I'm a nigga and say it to my face.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_06: Just because someone's another race doesn't know.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_05: Just because someone's another race doesn't think they're racist, doesn't it doesn't mean they're racist.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_05: No, it doesn't think like it doesn't just because someone's black doesn't mean they're this uh stereotype or that stereotype.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_05: Like we we have the like the end of the day, good people are good people.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_05: You're around you surround yourself around people that are ilk-minded people, like-minded people, good people that can influence you in positive ways, right?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_05: Producers and community showing you different things about life.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_05: That's what you associate.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_05: So I would never be in a room where someone who assumed they wanted to use the word, thought even I used the word, because I'm not around people like that.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_06: You'd be surprised how many people you don't know you're around.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_07: So wait, no, here, here, let me ask you how did you answer that?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_07: How'd you answer the guy on the boat on the cruise in Kentucky?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_07: Like he said, I just want to use the word.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_07: How'd you like how'd you flip it?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_06: I told him.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_06: But we we I was with a bunch of older people.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_06: I was with um my cousin, my older cousin Henry and um Donica's father, Donnie.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_06: Who else is there?
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_06: It was a bunch of older people that we were just down sitting there, and we're just like, I asked him, I was like, Why do you why do you want to say it so badly?
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_06: And he's like, because y'all say it all the time.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm just like, so?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_05: And it's like and and and we're and again, it's the only so so Hugh, let me ask you this question because you must be doing a case study.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_05: No, this must be like Pleasantville, you want to see the color.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_05: Why the hell did you move to Ohio with your thought process?
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_05: You literally are saying from a metropolitan area, from the DMV area in which I live, and which is one of the most diverse intellectually, diverse culturally, diverse microcosm of like the world, and about here.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not gonna disclose why I know, but that's personal.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_05: But I'm saying, but I have a sense of way, I have a sense in which of you say who I'm I have no.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_06: You know, you know I don't like it.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_06: But who, but but who but but who know that, so don't ask me why I move here.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_06: But who am in the room around?
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_06: It's it's it's it's a loaded question because you know the context and you know I can't answer that question.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_05: Well, you say who I'm in the room around, and you know I can answer that question why asking the thing.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_06: We're all in the room with certain types of people you would never regardless of how they talk to you to your face, but no, what they say behind your back or what they feel is a totally different thing.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_05: Bro, bro, first of all, I I can size motherfuckers up real fast.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not an idiot.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, I've been in the room, I've been in big corporate rooms, I've been behind closed doors where motherfuckers try to play that game because you're the one that they try to have you deal with the other black people in a certain way, and I check them at the door.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_05: I know what the fuck I I've been in all the rooms.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm not I'm not I'm not socially inept in as far as like how I pick and choose who I'm around.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_06: We all compromise and do things.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_06: It's not about compromise within our character just to make money, do whatever.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_06: But you get into those conversations don't happen.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_06: But when you're in move when you're in money rooms, the only color that matters is green.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_06: But when they go home, they can say the N-word all they want, jerk off the cuck porn all they want, have whatever the fuck they want going on with their wives.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_06: Because you know that shit happens.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_06: But but the thing about it is, but the thing about they want to sleep with their fucking stepdaughter and their and their stepmom and all this shit.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_06: That's what happens behind closed doors with some of them motherfuckers, or most of them.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_06: But but so I see I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I mean, I wouldn't say that you wouldn't say that?
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_05: Look at the data, look at the data.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, I don't know.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_05: Look at the data.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_05: I I I feel I feel we're getting a little off tangent, but I'm not gonna.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_07: We definitely get off tangent.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_07: And by the way, Fat Joe's new album is I, though.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_07: Is that is that a new album now?
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, you got a new album, shit's hot.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_06: What else you got, Hugh?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_06: What else you got, bro?
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_06: Well, just just to close on this.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_06: I I don't when I'm saying this stuff, and it's something again that I debate myself with all the time, but it's just I can't get it out of my vernacular, you know?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_06: And I do like it when people check me.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_06: My my um Who used to check me a lot?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I forgot who somebody used to check me a lot, but I don't I try not to say that stuff as much.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_06: Do I think Fat Joe can say it?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_06: I don't care.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_06: Again, he's he might be the blackest black person I know.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_06: He talked, he, he, he moved more more black than most of us here.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_06: You know what I'm saying?
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_06: He got more black friends than I didn't like.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_06: But that's the thing though.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_05: But that's the thing, but that but that's the thing though.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_05: That's the thing though, Hugh, is like we have to stop defining blackness based on someone who based because of their hip-hop prowess, ignorance that's cultural, can claim, but that's but this is what I'm saying.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_05: And black, black, but but this is what I keep talking about.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_05: Like, come on, like nobody's ever gonna no one's no no black kid's ever gonna be a great skateboarder and be like, uh, yeah, I'm a black, I'm a white kid.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like, what?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_06: Nobody says that.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_05: What but but no, that's not to say why but why are we defining because fashion is black is culture, black the black is culture, but it's based on his street credibility, and that's not what we should be defining black culture on.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, it's that's not no black culture is deeper than that, bro.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_05: No, when he but when he describes how blackie, he said, I grew up, you know, Tito Puente.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, one of the best black people.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_06: Have you ever heard of Steve Black is fucking me?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_06: My dad used to love that name.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_05: Have you ever heard, okay.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_05: Have you ever heard have you ever heard Fat Joe describe?
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_05: Have you ever heard Fat Joe describe why he feels he's black?
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_05: Have you ever heard it?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: The reasons why have these people, you have these people who are now saying you can't say things you can't represent hip-hop.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: Hear me out.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: No, they was on him for like two weeks.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: Saying that because you don't come from that, that you're not allowed to embrace the culture and you had a very strong opinion on yo.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: This is my culture too.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: We've also helped build it.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: Do you feel like that's the question?
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm getting do you feel like there was any point where you were wrong in what you represented?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Are you crazy?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: This is a no-brainer.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is a no-brainer.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up in hip-hop where they invented hip-hop.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Guys, I don't know if you could fathom that.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm from the block that invented hip-hop.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: Melly Mel, Grandmaster Flash.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: The girls who used to babysit me, they invented.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let me hear you say, hello! That's Grandmaster Flash.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up with Melly Mel right outside the window playing basketball.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Who we need first?
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I gotta keep explaining this to these niggas.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm there for hip-hop.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Grandmaster is a crate boy.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: So back in the days they used to have vinyl.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: My brother used to carry the crates of vinyl for Grandmaster Flash.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: And when they said all that shit and they kept doing all this weird shit.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was I think it was Melly Mel who finally did an interview, it was like yo, Joey's from here.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know what y'all talking about, or that was niggas went to the mountain top stuff.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was all right.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to stay.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: I was there.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's just somebody's like sad jokes so opinionated.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you're gonna start fabricating some shit.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: You think I'm not gonna defend what I know to be true?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and us in the Bronx, and especially where I grew up, you grew up in O'Avenue.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: You had a little couple more Puerto Ricans than me.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up in black.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's I want you to know this, right?
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because I heard when that was going on, you said, yo, Fat Joe ain't black.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, I am black.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: Fat Joe is the blackest nigga you ever seen in your life.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's go look it up.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_05: Have you ever heard him from?
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, well, no, but he's the most gangster street nigga ever.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_05: But I'm saying, but I'm saying, but why do we have to have that be why we're black?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_06: It's DB.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_06: You're missing the point.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_06: Why does that define persistence?
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_06: That defines his blackness, not everybody.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_07: We're literally talking about over.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_06: So why do they why is Tony's why do Italians love Tony Sopranos so much?
• 41:29
  unknown: Oh my god.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_06: Well, come on, Sean, tell me why Italians love him.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_06: Every Italian, oh, I love the Sopranos.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_06: That means they call each other what's called each other all the time.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_06: Because cultural, they call each other what?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_06: I almost said it.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_06: I can't say it.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_06: Hold on.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_06: There's a whole bunch of words.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_06: There's a whole bunch of words that Italians use.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_06: No, I watch Sopranos.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_06: They say that's they were saying it like the NFL.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_05: That's not true.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_05: That's not true.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_05: That's not true.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_05: I watch the Sopranos.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_05: No, that's not true.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_06: They say the G say it to each other all the time.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_06: They thought American ones say it about ones in Italy.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_06: They say it back to us over here.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, what do you mean here?
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_05: What do you mean look, you're looking for examples I gave you one?
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_05: You know what's so funny?
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_05: You know what's so funny about Soprano?
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_05: You know what's so funny about mob culture?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_05: And you want to ask, you want to ask the question why?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_05: Is because they really get into the tracing back and the lineage about Italian.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_05: If he's not back with Oakland.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_05: And the sacrament and all this and the Catholic, the Catholicism, and all that.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_05: That's a lot that they what would you say these things?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_05: What does hip hop come from?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, what payton is that?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_06: That's why that's why Fat Joe traces back to where hip-hop was created.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_05: What painted bull was talking about like uh grandma's salmon cakes or something?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you know what I'm saying?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_05: Like, give us something.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_05: God damn.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_05: Like, do you not appreciate black culture?
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_07: Well, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_07: You downplay it so much.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_07: Black culture, you know, you downplay it.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_07: You say, oh, fried chicken.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_07: No, no, that's not our culture.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_07: You're upgrading street bullshit.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_05: You're upgrading street bullshit.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_06: You're upgrading street bullshit.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_06: I don't eat foo foo.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_06: I don't eat no damn Joel offright.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_06: That's not my culture.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_06: But again, Hugh, but again, Hugh, but again, Hugh.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_06: But I don't know how to do it.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_05: Hugh, at the end of the day, Hugh, my whole point is, my whole point is if you have to pick and choose, right?
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_05: Because there's more to black culture than that, honestly.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_05: There's great poetry, there's great literature.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_05: There's what do you mean that's you're gonna go to a board?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, that's but you're saying the core.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_05: That's the core for you.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_05: When I when I grew up, my mom, Langston Hughes, my Angelo, Jamman Teasler, like I had to no, she wasn't they're great American poets.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_06: They they are black as well, yes.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_06: No, bro, no inventors, not just poets, inventors.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_05: But when you're talking black culture, I know you had to do the same thing uh Benjamin Banner, like all the shit, like not what you're taught in school, but that.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: Shit was outside.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_05: Outside.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_07: Like you're talking about that wasn't black horror renaissance, having to read about you know uh all the great jazz musicians and the fucking we have like the the thing about it though, Hugh is, and what what Marvel was saying is we have a lot more depth than just the street shit.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_07: Which unfortunately, and I know I know you know that.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_07: I mean I understand.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_07: And I came up and I came up in the middle of the year.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_06: Let me put it to you this way.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_06: Unfortunately, a lot of people who invented hip-hop culture, black people, right?
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_06: We can agree on that, right?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_06: We can't.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_06: But again, there's so much more culture prior to the world.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_07: We can play a big role in that too.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, I'm talking about things that are so great.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_06: There are great black poets, right?
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_06: But even more inventors.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_05: Inventors, scientists, like mathematicians, I mean, astronomers.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, no, no, no, you are missing the point.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_07: Why don't we why don't we fight the big ones up instead of fighting the white people talking about?
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_06: Why are you clutching the street shit so much?
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_06: Sean, when white people talk about culture.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_06: I'm talking about they no, I'm talking white Americans when they talk about culture, they take credit for I'm talking about when white people talk about white culture, they take credit for shit they didn't even do.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_06: Meaning, sure, if a white guy did it in Europe, if a white guy did it in Africa, they take credit for it because the person's just white, right?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_06: You're talking about American culture.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_05: That's different.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_05: American culture.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_05: American is displayed differently.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_06: Black people are black people in America.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_06: For the short time period we've been on this, I'm I mean, I'm Afro-Caribbean and half Asian.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_06: I I don't count maybe in this equation, but the foundational black Americans that started here from slavery to now invented hip hop music.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_06: They Jay-Z was born.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_06: But that's a small segment.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_06: It's not they are the dominant segment.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_06: It is 2026.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_04: There's there's hundreds, there's hundreds of years in black culture before.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_04: I understand.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_06: Why would they be the dominant part of the jazz music?
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_06: Like, why would they be there?
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_06: Why would that be the dominant part of our culture?
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_05: There's the fucking cotton gin.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_06: There's the fucking 2026.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_06: When was the last time you heard someone?
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_06: Even RB music's watered down now.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_06: Like we're just looking at music and energy.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_06: Music the foundation of the city.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_06: Dude, when you talk about economics, they're talking about African Americans.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_06: Business is not cultural.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_06: That's not culture.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, okay.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_06: Here's the thing.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_06: When somebody says, hey, I've made this type of music food.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_06: Can we get another topic?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_06: Can we get another topic?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_06: I'm just saying we have this weird.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_07: All right, fine, we got it.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_07: It's another topic.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_06: You confuse culture with like success in other things, like whatever, educational.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_06: That is all well and good, but culture is totally different.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_06: What do you mean?
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_06: It's totally different things.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_05: What do you mean success in other things?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_06: Other things, meaning, yes, black people can excel in other things.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_06: That's a given.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, I agree with that.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_06: We all have men thousands.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_05: It's not about it's not about yeah, it's not about excelling other things.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_05: It's about being founders of other things, foundational founders of things that exist today.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_05: How much time have we had to do that?
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_05: And people are, I mean, the people are starting to do that.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_05: No, it's not within the black communities.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_05: We already did that.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_05: We already did that hundreds of years prior to Hitler.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, and what happened to it?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_05: No, what do you mean what happened to it?
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_05: We built our here.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_05: No, here.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_05: The traffic light, the fucking the refrigerator.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_05: Like, we created things.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, white guy took credit for all of it.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_05: There's no every time we build something, it gets destroyed.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yo, next topic Blackwall Street.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_05: Next topic.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_05: All that shit.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_05: And you're gonna continue to peripherate you're gonna continue to peripherate that.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_05: Just saying it was destroyed.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_05: So it's over.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_05: No, it's not true.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_05: I know it.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_05: I know it was created, so I'm not gonna say it was destroyed.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_05: Once it's created, it always exists.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_05: You say it's destroyed.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_05: I don't care who takes credit for it mistakenly, it was created, and I know who did it.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_05: So that's what that is.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_05: And I'll continue to voice that instead of who can use the word nigga.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_06: Like, fuck that.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_06: And that's that wasn't I like so so yeah.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_05: So next topic.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_05: Go on here.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_05: What we got next, bro?
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_05: What we got next?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_06: Niggas will never understand this shit.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_06: Here, this will piss you off even more.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_06: Michigan shouldn't have won that fucking game.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_06: They stole that shit.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_06: You want to be pissed off a little bit more?
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_06: How about that?
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_06: He's gonna he's gonna kept that black ass coach and got rid of this quarterback.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_06: That's what they should have done.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_06: How does the game clock that was ticking away not match the Albany replay center?
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_06: That's crazy.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, apparently I think they say what the game clock is not the same as the TV clock.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_07: It was BS.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_07: It was BS.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_07: Well, you know, nevertheless.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_05: You know what?
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_05: You know what the thing is?
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_05: You know what the thing is?
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_05: I'll say, I'll say you still gotta convert a 45-yard bomb.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_05: I'm about to say, and then with one second, so look.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_06: They should have done it the first time when it mattered and it counted.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_06: You cannot.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_07: Congratulations to them.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_07: You cannot let that guy catch the ball.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_07: I don't give a shit.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_07: But yeah, you get a pass interfering.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_07: I don't, you cannot let him catch the ball.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_07: There's no way they should have a big channel.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_07: They thought the game was over.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_07: They were like, whatever.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_05: Well, when the metal they teach them, that's what separates a big time program to Western Michigan.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_05: No, the first rule they teach.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_05: The first one they teach the channel.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_06: It's not the first time they've done that.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_06: They did it to Penn State.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, even though Penn State is play to the whistle.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_07: You gotta play to the whistle.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_07: Until that shit is over, it's over.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_07: We end up overplayed and they gave him another second.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_05: Remember, remember when uh remember when the Knicks got all weird, uh uh didn't play, and then the fucking uh Reggie Miller hit the fucking what he hit nine points and eight seconds or some shit.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_05: That shit was crazy.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_05: And that's that's the thing.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_05: You think you got it, you up 10, and you think you got it.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_05: So never had it.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_05: Never fall off the block.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_05: Now, no, no.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_05: Jordan would have yeah.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_06: When you see we know that if they chip that the momentum of the game changes when you have this big long break where they're reviewing the clock, then morale goes down.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_06: You're like, oh shit, we gotta play another fucking down.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_07: Hey, listen, Hugh.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_07: And then motherfucker's just like all the game.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_05: You gave up a 15.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_06: And he took a big hit.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_05: And he took a big hit.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_05: He took a big hit.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_05: When he threw that, can we show can we show that play?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not gonna play.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_06: No, they they they let a Pee-Wee football team play against a Division I team.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_06: The Pee-Wee football team should have won the game, but they said, no, we can't have this.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_06: The powers at B.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_06: We're gonna give them one more second.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_05: It happens to the best of us.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_05: Virginia lost to a 16 seed and came back and won a national championship.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_06: Penn State lost, so I think it was Ohio State or something like that years ago.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_06: I remember that game.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_05: I was heartbroken.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_06: You know, that's my team.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_05: Look, at this point now, in the in the stage of college football, and I need to check the roster, but I'm questionable with regards to the ages.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_05: It could be some 27, 26-year-old fucking players on that team on Western Michigan.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_05: Look, one of those middle of the road schools like that, they might have 30-year-olders on there.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_05: They got fifth to six-year seniors.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_05: So, look, they're grown-ass men.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_05: So, and and you know, we're playing against the 80 night team.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_07: Hey, listen.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_07: Was it BS?
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe, but you still gave up a 50-yard touchdown.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_07: Unacceptable.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_07: With one second.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_07: Acceptable.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_06: No, they didn't.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_06: They blocked it the first time.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_06: No, it didn't count.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_07: They gave up, they gave up.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_07: Once they snap the ball, the ball was in the air, you gotta make a play.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_07: And they didn't make a play.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_07: They let somebody unbelievable.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_07: Terrible.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_05: If you would have told them before the first snap of that game, well, they're not a good team.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_05: Here, I tell you, no, I tell you, if you would have told them before the first snap of the game, we're gonna give you, right?
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_05: If if you can if you can stop Michigan, if Michigan on from that same scenario gets six out of ten, then you lose the game.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_05: Will you take that chance?
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_05: So you don't gotta even take another snap.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_05: They'll take that chance.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_05: Because they figured fuck if I'll block, I'll get it seven out of ten, right?
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_05: They'll block you.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_06: They gave them like twenty minutes to run up a play and do something at the last second.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_06: They didn't have that before.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_06: They had they had literally one second and and and and and and their play clock.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_06: You know, you know who ran it.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_06: You give some one while they're doing while they're trying to put one second back on the clock.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_06: How long was that commercial break?
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_06: I'm sure that commercial break was like 10 to 15 minutes.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_06: But here's the case.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_06: Well, they sat there and drew up some shit.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_06: They drew up and like, yo, you're gonna do this, and then you're gonna catch it.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_05: Hugh, here's here's here's you know, Western Michigan.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't matter.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_06: Western Michigan drew up.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_06: Sucks for fucking letting not blowing this team out.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_06: Western Michigan.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_06: Europe Penn State won 45 to zero against the team that was better than this.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_05: Western Michigan drew up the play with Michigan.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_05: Because you know why?
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_05: They said one second left, they're throwing to the fucking end zone.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_05: What do you mean drew up the play?
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_05: They threw to the end zone.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_05: Like, okay, they're going to the end zone.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_05: So you literally, you literally don't have to have put all the defensive ends, put them all, have them all fucking go back.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_05: They're going to the end zone.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_05: That was the play.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so what are you talking about?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_05: They had time.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_05: They had time.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_05: You know what they said when they came over to the sideline to commercial play?
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_05: Commercial break?
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_05: Throw to the end zone.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_05: Throw that bitch deep.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_05: And then everybody got a fucking bater break.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like and they had enough time to draw up the right play, and that was the right play.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_05: The right play.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_05: That was the right play.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_05: Throw that bitch beat.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_05: You're just being an argumentative Karen at this point.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_05: A Karen?
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, wait, how about this?
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_06: How about this?
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_06: You know this man?
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_06: You know who you know who this is?
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know who he is.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_06: He's the new Indiana quarterback.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, okay.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_06: And he's the blackest nigga I know.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_06: Yo, look at this shit.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_06: Look at this shit.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_06: Have you seen this?
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_06: Have you seen this shit?
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, I'll play it.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: So Josh Hoover, he's the Indiana quarterback this year.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_03: He's a Mendoza replacement.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_03: Check this shit out.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_03: He's gonna get a main face here.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_03: And the big bella, he is shaking up.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this is just a fucking man.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_03: Look at this man.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_03: Look at something like that.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_03: Look at this maniac now.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_03: He's got blood coming down from his nose.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_03: Look at the man plug on his pants.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: Shut it in the game! Look at the numbers!
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, Q, can you pause that?
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_05: Can you pause that real quick?
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_05: You know what's so funny?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_05: I love that you posted that.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_05: This is actually great because you literally are posting him throwing a touchdown pass against North Texas, and you just went through this whole diatribe about fucking Western Michigan, but you're using this as a blood on his face, though.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_05: You're using the Michigan quarterback blood on the face.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_05: That's your level.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_05: That's your level of blackness to have this shit be his level of blackness.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_05: Just throw a touchdown pass against North Texas.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_05: And you're black.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_06: I'll give you, okay, I'll give the Michigan quarterback that he he a real one too.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_06: He a real one too.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_06: He fat Joe level too.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_06: Fat Joe level.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_03: So that'll be the bar.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_03: See all that blood on that man's face?
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_07: That was wild.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_07: That was that was that was not a moxie.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_07: He had moxie.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_07: That that was crazy.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_07: That was a Rocky type.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_07: That was crazy.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_06: I can't believe y'all didn't see that.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_06: That shit was on the highlights all weekend.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_06: I loved it.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_06: I loved it.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_06: I watched it like 10 times.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_05: I don't really be.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Indiana football don't be coming up on my.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_06: No, I mean just talking about just sports highlights.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_06: So y'all know about that.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_06: Like last week.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_06: But the um that Cardinals pitcher, that rookie.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, but the meat myth picture.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, like let me put that.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_06: I'll put it up on the screen where the ump was being a dick about it.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_06: They told him, yeah, to fix his hat.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_07: I thought that was it's whack too, because there's there's no rule that says you can't wear a hat like that.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, they took it down.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_07: The ump was just big.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_06: The ump was the MOB took it down.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, MLB probably took it down.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I have another clip.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_06: Uh so I'm not gonna play anything, but they um the Cardinals did protest.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_06: They all came out in the next couple games with their hat tilted to the side.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_06: And when there was another guy on the um, I think he was on the Padres, some pitcher.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_06: He's an all-star too.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_06: He's like, So they said his hat was too low?
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_06: No, no, he wore it like that.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, like this, like this.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_06: He wore it like this.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so he looked like you know, like T.I., like not too much tilted like TI, but it was um, it was interesting.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_06: So I was I looked at, I was like, whatever.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_06: And but there's no rules against that, but the umpire was just being a dick about it.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_07: But I don't think that's a big thing with baseball.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_07: Baseball is all about those unwritten rules and shit.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's too staunch since 1800.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_07: And it's like, I get it, all right?
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_07: I like some of the rules, but here's another rule that we like the pitch count.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_07: That shit is increasing.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_07: The game has shrunk an hour, so now I can watch a game at seven and be in bed by nine o'clock.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_07: Like, yeah, the problem with baseball, they gotta start like, you know, this is 2020.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_07: Embracing a new age, yeah, exactly.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_07: Embrace it.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_07: It's tough for them because they are so like it's like, come on, like, come on.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_07: This ain't the fucking 50.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_07: This ain't Joe DiMaggio out there.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, respect Joe Demog Joey D, but like, come on.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but yeah, there's no rule in that.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_06: Nobody ever really called it out or anything like that.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but it didn't help this kid, yo, because he, I think he's back in the minors.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_06: I looked up his stats before the before the um No, I didn't say he could play.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, he got yo.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_06: This nigga pitched like three innings his whole career.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_06: He got like nine runs off.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_06: They they got off on him, yo.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, damn.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_06: He probably was like, yo, tilting my hat was the only way I get balls across the plate.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_06: You better start a reality show off with that.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_06: That's how I tilt that deal or something.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_06: No, that shit.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yo, I looked at his numbers, yo.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_06: I think he's back in the minors right now.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_06: Shout out to um, what's his name?
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_06: Hensel something.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it was uh yeah.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_06: Hensel uh Rakon.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_06: Hensel Racon.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and shout out to the car, because that that shit, yo, MLB, man, I gotta start watching more MLB.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_06: I haven't been I haven't been following the crazy.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_07: It's the great honesty.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_07: Baseball is so dope right now.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_07: It sucks because it's gonna be a uh a strike at the end of the season.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_07: Um because the the numbers are just crazy.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_07: The players want the owners want a salary cap, and of course the players don't, right?
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_05: This just okay, I I don't mean to cut into this, but it's this says Aaron Rodgers says that Shaleen Woodley asked him to sleep with another guy after he proposed before we got married.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_05: I gotta go fuck this guy.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_05: Is that real?
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_07: He was going off on everybody, though, yo.
• 58:53
  unknown: Make an assessment you can send out.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_06: No, send send the link.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_06: I'll put it on the screen.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_07: He he went, matter of fact, let this be our last one, yo, because he went off on everybody.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_07: He went off on politics, ESPN.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_07: He went straight to Earth.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_07: Huh.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_07: Well, he's been doing that recently.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, he's because he knows about his ass about to be retired.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_06: I had another N-word thing here.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my you're really trying to keep Hope alive.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, I'm looking at the topics.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_05: There's a guy.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_05: You know what?
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna get I'm gonna make a t-shirt for Hugh.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_05: You ain't black unless you say the N-word.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, there's there is there is T-shirt.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_07: Literally N-word today, N-word tomorrow, N-word forever.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_05: But it is, but it is interesting though.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_05: It is interesting because if if a black rapper says a racial slur about another race, he's he can't he can't say it in a rap song, but he can say nigga all day.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_05: He can say with the hard R all day.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_06: But he can't.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_06: Look, it's the same reason why they got him rapping about drugs and shit, man.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_06: It don't matter, they don't care.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_06: But that's what I'm saying.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_05: That whole the whole industry that you want to like sacrificial lamb to is an industry that was created not by us.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_05: The record industry, the hip hop record industry.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_05: The people that were signing us to these deals were not us.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_05: So there's that.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_05: The ones that were distributing.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_05: No, then you want to claim this whole yes, since we took power.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_05: No, this distribution labels, the one with the real power, were not us, bro.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_05: Again, when we try to do it ourselves, they burned it down.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_05: It's a new slave shit, but that but you say they try to they try to burn it down as if we should stop we should stop building it.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_05: You say it as that as so.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_05: Like as a as a what if when it happened.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's my problem.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_05: You say this as a what if it happened, Hugh, and it can continue to happen.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_05: We'll convert you to black one day.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_05: Real black.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_05: Not the niggas.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_05: Not the what what Chris Rock say?
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_05: I love black people.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_05: I love black people.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'll say this.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_05: It's not as black and white as you think it is.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_06: That's the way I look at things, man.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_05: He said, I love black people.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_06: There's always, there's always something.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_06: It's not simple.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_06: Like, simple.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_06: It's not that simple.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_05: Well, because even with even what he said, when he goes, damn, Lindsay, with uh the uh uh uh he goes, uh I'm I'm not a nigga either.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_05: You let me say that.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_05: He's like, well, you're not you're not gay, uh Chappelle.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_05: He's like, well, I'm not a nigga either.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_05: So he's literally acknowledging he's not that, but we want to use it as a term of endearment.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_05: I get it.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_05: Thanks, Hugh.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_05: I'll start, you know, I'll go down and go.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_06: It's been used that way.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_06: That's that's uh I'm trying to eye.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_05: But you want to you want to for you want to reinforce it as it should be taught down.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_06: In the context of the conversation we're having, we have, you know, that's what we that's that's the phrasing I'm putting in.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_05: I know, but the conversation is everybody saying, because my one parent is black, I I, you know.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_05: Well, let's go to the Aaron Rodgers thing.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_05: Let's go to Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_06: Can Aaron Rodgers use the n-word?
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_05: Hell no.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_05: Does he does he have one black parent?
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_05: That's the that's the that's the way that's the way you verify it.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_07: He can really throw a screen past now.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_07: He can't say shit.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_06: Wait, is he still in the Jets?
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, he's in Pittsburgh, Jets.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_06: No, he's in Pittsburgh.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he felt like she was forced to make a decision.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_00: She could have said no.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but not a couple days after that, she tells me, you know, before we get married, I gotta go f this guy.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, because her story is that I ruined her life and gave her a crazy depression because, you know, then I date Shailen.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I proposed, and she says yes.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now she uh maybe felt like she was forced to make a decision, she could have said no.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but not a couple days after that, she tells me, you know, before we get married, I gotta go f this guy.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like because her story is that she ruined her life and she already had a few.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's crazy depression because crazy depression because I left her.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: But the actuality is she told me that, and then she took off the ring by March.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I proposed in December, took out the ring by March.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_00: And we had a couple times where we tried to you know get reunited, and nothing ever happened.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_00: And there wasn't even a relationship in 22 to break off.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_00: She literally told me I don't want to be with you after we tried to have some sort of reconciliation in 2021.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like there's just a lot of narrows out there that are just not true.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_00: Crazy depression because I left her.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: The actuality is she's I mean, yeah, I don't know much.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know anything about his yeah, I don't know about I know he's very I didn't know he was a fiance or whatever, but he's very um he's he's first of all, he's very smart, right?
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_07: But he's like weird and like emotional.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_07: Like he cut his parents off, literally.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_07: Like, mom, dad, you're done.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I'm not messing with you.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_07: And they just got back together probably after 10 years.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_07: He he's just a very unique guy.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_07: Um, he's very opinionated, he does a lot of the like um goes in the mountain retreats and shit.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_07: Um he's just you know, I tell you what though.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_07: I tell you what though, Sans auto BS and all the other stuff.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_07: He's the most talented quarterback that I've seen in my life.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_07: I didn't say the best.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_07: I think he's the most talented quarterback.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_07: More talented than Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, more talented than uh uh uh Elway.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_05: What?
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Elway, no, Elway.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Hugh, you stay over there.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_05: You don't really know about sports, but John Elway coming out.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_05: No, John Elway.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_05: No, okay, Hugh, John Lway coming.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_05: No, the way you said that it was kind of interesting because John Elway coming out of Stanford was probably the most highly touted like prospect in the history of the NFL.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_05: Baseball and football.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_05: You didn't know that, but we'll continue.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_05: So that means what do you mean?
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_05: What does that mean?
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_05: Does that make him better than Tom Brady?
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, talent-wise, yes.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_05: Tom Brady will tell you John Well.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_05: Shamgod was great, you know, playing in the hood and the show.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_05: No, Tom, no, no, talent-wise, no, talent.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_05: Did he make it to the NBA?
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, like, I mean, LA wasn't the NFL.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_05: No, but yeah, we're talking about a two time.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_05: Why don't you exit stage left on this conversation?
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_05: Wait, wait, so wait, wait.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_06: So then then wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_06: Then that means LeBron is the go-con.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_06: Because he came out of high school the greatest ever, and the talent was so amazing.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_06: It took Jordan 10 years to get to his dependency.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, no, talent.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_05: But see, but see, here's where you fuck up.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_05: I would agree that LeBron is a better overall talent than Jordan.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_05: That's where you fuck up because Jordan fans are honest.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_05: Now, back to what we were talking about.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, I would agree.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_05: A 6'9, 250 kid coming out of high school, are you crazy?
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_05: What I'm saying is again about John Elway, who he didn't know about, and we can educate you on that.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_05: Coming out of college.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_05: Stanford, by the way.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_05: He was the biggest fucking talent.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_05: And he was smart.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_05: He was the biggest talent.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_05: Baseball and football.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_05: What are you?
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_05: Why are you saying so what?
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_05: Armed talent, armed talent.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_05: Tim Tebow.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_05: Bro, when he can't.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_05: Bro, no, he was what?
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_05: I'm just saying there's no people with big talent.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, no.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_05: Bro, that doesn't.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yo, can you?
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_06: John Elway was a number.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_06: He won.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_06: He won.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_06: He won.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_06: He's a great quarterback.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_06: Hold on.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_06: You're saying he's better than Jim Kelly?
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_06: Or what?
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_06: Even in his era quarterbacks, he wasn't the best player.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_06: Hold on.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_06: Dayute.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_06: He said Jim Kelly?
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_07: John Elw.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_07: John Elway first.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_07: Dan Marino?
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_07: See, there's a there's a different Dan Marino.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_07: I would think that's a good thing.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_05: Dan Marino was probably one of the best talents.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Jay Marino's up there.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_05: Top top three.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_05: Jay Marino's top three talent.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_05: I put him over uh Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_05: Talent.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_05: Talent-wise.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_05: Or he could throw a stock spiral that'll fucking break your hand.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna show you something.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_06: I just pulled up some stats.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_05: Not stats.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_05: We're talking about like talent.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_05: See talent creates stats.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_05: If you can't get the ball in the hole.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_07: If you can't hit the ball.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_07: Eli Manning, Eli Manning has two Super Bowl rings.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_07: Would you say he's better than uh uh Aaron Rodgers?
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_07: Of course not.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_07: No, you would never say that.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_07: We're talking about team sport, right?
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_07: We're talking about straight up talent.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there's a difference between talent is Okay.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, Hugh, how about how about you take a step back and I'll just count.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_06: Hugh.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_06: How about how?
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_06: Hugh, Pew, Hugh.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_06: Elway played like 10 less games than Merino.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_06: Hugh, I'll take I'll take his passer rating is 10 points almost.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_05: Hugh, I'll tell you this.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_06: Merino's a better quarterback.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_05: Hugh, Hugh, I'll tell you this.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_05: Because I know that you take a position in which that's talent just because he keeps the colour.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, Hugh.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_05: I know you take a position in which you probably think you know better than NFL players and past, but anybody you asked.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_06: I'm thinking of numbers, bro.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_05: No, I know, but Tom Brady, I'm telling you today, on the record, would tell you John Elway's one of the greatest talents ever to play in the NFL.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_05: Hands bar none.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_05: Like and so I know from your position, you think probably if Tom Brady said that, you would still go to whatever you're looking at now.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, I know you would still go to the I know you would still go to I know you would still go to this.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_06: Because NBA plays me saying Beasley's like the best player they've ever seen, but it's couldn't even stay on a team.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_05: No, there that's that's that's that's that's a great talent.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_06: He's a talent.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_06: No, he's like LeBron James says shit like this.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_06: And this is the way, I mean, you're competing like if you want to say, oh, he's that John, um, but what's his name?
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_06: Tom Brady says L Way's great.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, you know what?
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, he went to the Super Bowl five times.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_06: One one, right?
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_06: Or two, one or two.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_06: Huh?
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_06: Two.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_06: He went back to back, Hugh.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_08: What?
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_05: I don't understand what the conversation.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_05: What do you mean?
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, name.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, Hughes Joe Montana.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, name the name the players that have done back-to-back Super Bowls because it's it's on a it's a hit.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_05: I know, I know, I know, but you're laughing.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_05: But it's but you're laughing, you're laughing about a list that he's part of a handful of fucking players in the history of the game.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_06: I'm just saying he's not the most talented quarterback that I've seen personally.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_06: Who is that?
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_06: And just look through the room.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_06: I'm saying Dan Marino, and the numbers prove that out.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_06: Dan Marino?
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_05: That's very Dan Marino's death.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_05: Let me say, Dan Marino's numbers are.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_05: Dan Marino's definitely up there.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_05: He's right there.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_05: There's no question about that.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_05: We're not idiots.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_06: We're trying to convince you not to be.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, but you you're you're using this the same argument that you use to justify why Jordan is still.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not looking at stats.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_05: I'm talking about Dan Marino throwing the ball, eye test.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_05: NFL players.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_05: Dan Marino might be the greatest, like.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_05: Hold on.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_05: Why did you why did you pull up Jim Kelly?
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_05: You can't.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_05: I just wanna I know I don't know.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_05: I never compared the two.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_05: But no, no, no.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_05: Not even comparing it.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_05: You were serious not knowing enough about it to know that Jim Carrey should Jim Kelly should never be Jim Kelly should never be mentioned with John Elway.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_05: You didn't know enough to know that.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_06: Why?
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_05: No, I'm saying.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_06: I'm just looking at the numbers, bro.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_05: No, I know, okay.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_05: So what numbers do you want to go?
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I don't understand.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_06: I'm just looking at the I'm just looking at the numbers.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and they're not even close.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_06: We played on like a hundred less games, bro.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_07: Hey Hugh, can you can you um post the numbers between John Elway and Eli Manning?
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, come on.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_06: I'll even admit Eli's not better.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_06: No, Eli has a lot of passing.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_06: Eli's he played like a hundred years and he won.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_06: He won two Super Bowls, though.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and he won two Super Bowls.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_06: And he beat Tom Brady.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_06: He did beat Tom Brady.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_06: Does that make him any better than Tom Brady?
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_06: No, they almost exactly the same, but Eli got more yards.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_06: You know what?
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_06: They now way more yards.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um John Elway's doubtfully.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_05: Now you would you say better passing.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_05: John Elway just like at the bottom of the list of the best quarterback.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_06: But who's a better talent?
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_06: Look at the passer rating.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_06: He's higher than that.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my god.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_06: You just you're not.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_06: I don't understand what that means, talent.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_06: Like you're talent, talent has to be proven through how you execute.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_06: So John Elway did not execute as well as Dan Marino, Eli Manning, Joe Montana, Pat Mahomes.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_06: Um what's what's the um what's his name?
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_06: Um on the Baltimore.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_06: He probably hearing.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_05: So just because you saw this with your eyes, like computer of the past and Dan and Johnson.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_05: You ever hear of somebody you ever hear of somebody named Lynn Bias?
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, would you say he had talent?
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_05: He died short of going to the NBA.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_05: Do you do that?
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_05: No, we'll never know.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_05: Would you, but no, he was a generational talent in college, Hugh.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_05: Well never know.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not gonna say do we have any other topics?
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_05: Then see, you're talking about Len Ba.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_06: He never got the NBA.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_05: Anybody, everybody He was a great basketball player.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_05: People who went to the NBA.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_05: People who went to the NBA who were Hall of Famers, who played with him, who were Hall of Famers.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_05: Admitted to generational talent, Hugh.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_05: I know that you want to be this, I know that you want to be the like.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_06: There's this kid on my high school football team named James O'Neill.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_06: But you know what in your high school football?
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_06: No, don't he was the best running back I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_06: He went to Ohio State.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_06: You know what happened to him at Ohio State?
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_06: He got caught up like smoking some weed or selling weed, I think.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, how many games?
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_06: How many games did he play at Ohio State?
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_05: Lynn Bias, Lynn Bias didn't score a couple points made.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_05: He was an all-American stripper at a male set at a time.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_06: You're talking about a score touchdown.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_06: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_06: But you know what he was?
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_06: And you know what's so funny.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_06: And back and scored three touchdowns on one play.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_06: He was the best running back I ever seen.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_06: You know what's so funny?
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_05: Better than Matt Smith.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_05: You know what's so funny?
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_05: You're a talent.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_05: The best running back you ever seen in your life when you graduated, the best running backs did not go to Penn State.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_05: The best running backs did not go to Penn State when you graduated.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_05: That was a linebacker.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_05: That was a linebacker school.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_05: That was a defensive school.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_05: So if he was the best linebacker, he was the best, he was the best running back you ever seen in your life, he would have been at Florida State.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_05: He would have been at Miami.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_05: Come on, bro.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_05: He like, what are you talking about?
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_05: So the best running back you still the best running back you ever saw in your life scored maybe a touchdown and went to a defensive school.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, great.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_06: But dude, you're literally Len Bias went to a literally speaking with your feelings.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_06: You saw like did you bust a nut when John L went through a touchdown once?
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_06: Like, I don't know why this is not as good as these other quarterbacks.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_05: I'm talking about Lynn Bias now.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_05: You're talking about it.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_05: We were talking about time now.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_05: You brought up talent.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_05: Apples and Orange is as talent.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_06: Sham God.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_06: Forget this.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_06: I've never seen Sham God playing.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_06: Everybody says he's got the best handles.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_06: He's done this.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my god.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_06: Rod Strickland.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_06: How about that?
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_06: Nobody was saying Sham God.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_05: Nobody was saying Sham God was a top talent, Hugh.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_06: No, there's people out there that will say that.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, Beasley.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_06: Nobody might say that.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_06: Beasley might be up there.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_06: Beasley, yes.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_06: Beasley might be up.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_06: Beasley.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_05: Same like a Rashid Wallace.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_05: Rashid Wallace, top talent.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_05: What are you talking about?
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_06: What are you talking about, yo?
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_06: She played in the league for a very long time.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_05: No, he was hurt a lot of years.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_05: I said he played.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_05: What is it?
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_05: But his peak years, he was hurt.
• 1:14:26
  unknown: Okay.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_06: A lot of his peak years he was hurt.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_06: Regardless, only in his peak, was he dropping 25, 26?
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, yes.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_06: This up, man.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_06: I don't think he scored over 20 points a game.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_06: I don't think he ever played.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_07: So are you wait, wait, Hugh, wait, wait, wait.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_07: The argument is you're not saying Rasheed Wallace was talented, or what do you get what you say?
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_06: I'm saying that he never looked this is this being talented and living up to your talent.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, was Penny Hardaway talented?
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_06: John Ellway had a long career, did not get hurt much, played through, won two Super Bowls, whatever.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_06: But at that top-tier talent lower end of it.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_05: Was Penny Hardaway talented?
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_05: Because he never averaged more than 22 points a game.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_05: So if we're talking about Penny Harda, Penny Hardaway never.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_05: Penny Wallace, huh?
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_05: What did Penny Hardaway average?
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_05: Penny Hardaway.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, Penny Hardaway.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_05: Rasheed Wallace, yo.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_05: Versus Penny Hardaway.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, versus Penny Hardaway.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, versus Penny Hardaway.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_05: Versus Penny Hardaway.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_06: You said I'm pulling up Rashid versus his talent.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_06: You said his talent.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_06: He's talented.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_06: You said Penny Hardaway is talented.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_06: John Elway level talent.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_06: I feel like that's a good one.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_06: I love this podcasting shit, yo.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_06: No, I think you beat Johnny.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_06: You just said Penny Hardaway has talent.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_06: Rashid Wallace never averaged 20 points in his career.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_06: What was he talking about?
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_06: He made it to the All-Star twice.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_06: 14 points a game in his career.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_06: No, it's just fine.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_06: He had a great career.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_06: I love Rasheed Wallace.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_06: I used to be my favorite player in NBA.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_06: Um, uh, what was it?
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_06: The EA Sports one.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_06: What was that called?
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, Street.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_06: NBA Live, NBA Live.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_06: I used to play when Port when he was in Portland.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_06: He was a bucket.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_06: I had to cheat code for him.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_05: So, so Hugh, Hugh, you admitted 97.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_05: I love how you laugh because you admitted, I asked you a direct question.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_05: I said, was Penny Hardaway talented?
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_05: You said yes.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_05: So we'll go on Penny Hardaway's stats.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_05: In 1999, he averaged 15.8 points a game.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_05: In 1990, uh the year before that, uh, let me see, Penny Hardaway, uh, he averaged 16 points a game in 97.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_05: So you said he was talented, and you just laughed.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_05: 15 points.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_05: So let's not.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_05: I'm talking about Rasheed Wallace a second point.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_05: And now we're gonna talk about Penny Hardaway in this case.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_05: Penny averaged 15 for his career, too.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so so you're laughing, but you said he was talented.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_05: Which he is.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not putting But Penny Penny Hardaway is a generational talent.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_05: Craig 100%.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_07: He delivered it.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_06: He delivered it.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_07: Look at his 95.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_06: Living up to potential is part of being a great.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_05: Injuries are a big part of that.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_05: He okay.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I get it.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_06: But look at the thing.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_07: I gotta finish walking the dog.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_07: It's a game on tonight, too.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_07: There's a game.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_07: We didn't even talk about Adam 22.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, because we had a freaking inward debate.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_05: We act like some N-words on the in-word debate.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_05: We gotta we gotta test our blackness on who can say that word.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_05: We have to gatekeep it for as long as we can.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, if that if that's what it takes.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_05: We gotta have something.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_05: Alright.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_07: He's state number 11.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_07: Always a pleasure.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_07: Peace and blessings, everybody.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_07: More love, baby.