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Ken Rosenthal joins FT for WBC thoughts + Blue Jays Season Preview · Foul Territory

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Speaker 2: meeting at eleven fifteen, we're doing a little bit later today.
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Speaker 3: Why do you think I said he changed. I mean
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Speaker 3: he's totally changed. He's got more chins now, he's got
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Speaker 3: more watches now. He's always been swaggy. He's always been swaggy,
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Speaker 3: like there was no doubt when we got drafted. I
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Speaker 3: was in the hotel room first at the d It
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Speaker 3: was a day's in in Dunedin, and I'm there and
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I have no idea what's going on. I
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Speaker 3: have like my mit and that's it. And this dude
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Speaker 3: rolls in with a whole bag of swag. He's got
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Speaker 3: cleats matching the Blue Jays collars, he's got batting gloves,
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Speaker 3: he's got wood bats already. He was swaggy coming out
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Speaker 3: of the University of Delaware.
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Speaker 4: What are the Blue Hens? The Blue Hens? So he
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Speaker 4: went from the Blue House to the Blue Jays.
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Speaker 5: Forever.
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Speaker 3: He never he never left the organization got fired always
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Speaker 3: be in Blue, became a coach, and now he's the
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Speaker 3: hefe hopefully getting them a World Series this year.
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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see a great run they had last year.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the world, the world baseball class again did
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Speaker 2: last night croutzy? Is we know Venezuela. Congratulations of Venezuela.
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Speaker 2: What a game? Three to two decisions to be made?
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Speaker 2: I mean, where do we even start with this game?
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Speaker 2: First of all, McLean pitch well enough to win. The
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Speaker 2: USA offense didn't show up. I mean, Rodriguez and werdo Rodriguez?
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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? Where the Diamondbacks are going? Where
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Speaker 4: the heck has this guy been for the last couple
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Speaker 4: of years.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess he needs some motivation or something.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you saw him in the look he's had.
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Speaker 3: He's had great runs. He's had great runs. There's a
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Speaker 3: reason he got the contract that he's got. But for
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Speaker 3: whatever reason, in Arizona you have for over two years
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Speaker 3: worth of innings off and on the field, he's had
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Speaker 3: over a five r Last night showed why winner take
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Speaker 3: a game seven whatever, elimination games, anybody can do it.
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Speaker 3: And he came in and he followed it seemed I
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Speaker 3: don't know how many pitches I was trying to think
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Speaker 3: while I was watching the game, how many pitches he
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Speaker 3: didn't execute, Like he was able to double up in
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Speaker 3: when he needed to, and then his change up was
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Speaker 3: in the exact location every single time. I think he
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Speaker 3: got away with one pitch that Aaron Judge didn't swing at,
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Speaker 3: but the reason was because he was executing all of
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Speaker 3: his pitches. To me, he was the MVP of the game,
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Speaker 3: not the whole tournament, but the MVP.
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Speaker 5: Of the game.
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Speaker 2: Agreed in Salvey too. Salvey deserves a ton of credit
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Speaker 2: for maneuvering him through some of those innings and some
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Speaker 2: of those batters and just leading this team right with
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Speaker 2: the sea on his chest. I mean, he just he
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Speaker 2: showed Wall why he is the captain of Team Venezuela
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Speaker 2: and a deserving Hall of Famer.
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Speaker 6: For me and for what I have, I don't feel
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Speaker 6: like we got enough in on the World Baseball Classic,
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Speaker 6: So let's cook AJ What else did we want to
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Speaker 6: say about it? I know we touched on it last
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Speaker 6: night on the postgame show, so I encourage everyone to
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Speaker 6: check that out.
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Speaker 1: It was great.
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Speaker 6: And then a little bit off the top of the show.
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Speaker 6: But what do you have for me on Venezuela.
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Speaker 4: They played great, they beat him, they beat the USA.
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Speaker 4: I mean, what else can I say?
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Speaker 2: Edwardo Rodriguez unbelievable, the pitching staff unbelievable.
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Speaker 4: Palencia my boy, like I said he would, he said
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Speaker 4: he would die for the Cubs. Well, imagine what he
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Speaker 4: do for Venezuela.
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Speaker 2: Just just a great job by them, a great team win.
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Speaker 2: Gino Suarez one of my all time favorite people to
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Speaker 2: talk to, getting the huge hit and you saw his
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Speaker 2: emotion after the game. And for USA, they just didn't
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Speaker 2: hit man. I mean, Nolan McClean pitched really well. The
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Speaker 2: bullpen came in and didn't really give up much until
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Speaker 2: the ninth inning. And as far as the Mason Miller
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Speaker 2: stuff goes in the ninth inning.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, it would have been third
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Speaker 2: time in five days Bednar was down. He was on
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Speaker 2: the same schedule, so I understand it. And it's not
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Speaker 2: like Whitlock sucks. Whitlock's pretty damn good. Look his numbers
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Speaker 2: and look how well he pitched the last time he
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Speaker 2: was out there.
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Speaker 4: So listen, just the lead off walk, the lead off walk, scored,
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Speaker 4: and that was a big mistake.
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Speaker 2: You got to make Luisa Rice hit the ball out
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Speaker 2: of the park right there, and unfortunately Whitlock walked him
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Speaker 2: and that was the run that scored. And then you
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Speaker 2: had the Dave Roberts play at second base where he
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Speaker 2: was just safe and you could argue was as safe
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Speaker 2: was he out?
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Speaker 4: I don't know, but Venezuela got the hit when they
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Speaker 4: needed to.
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Speaker 5: That's it.
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Speaker 2: USA didn't didn't offensively amount to what we thought they
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Speaker 2: would be, So hats off. I tip my cap to
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Speaker 2: de venezuel I'm happy they won because now I get
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Speaker 2: to hear from Ozzie Gehan for three years.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the thing that I love about this was
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Speaker 3: the fact that this spotlighted baseball in such a big stage. Yes,
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Speaker 3: it was the best players, but the fact that this
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Speaker 3: I think it could catapult us getting big league players
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Speaker 3: into the Olympics, because I think you sit there and
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Speaker 3: you go this is this is the kind of exhibition,
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Speaker 3: as AJ called it, that we really want to see.
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Speaker 5: All these tournaments.
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Speaker 3: When I played with them, and it was only minor leaguers,
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Speaker 3: people didn't really care at all, but the same feelings
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Speaker 3: were had out there. The same feeling of we need
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Speaker 3: to get this done. We need to win for our country.
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Speaker 3: Whether it's Venezuela, whether it's Panama, Colombia, Japan, US, it
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. This made the game of baseball a worldwide
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Speaker 3: game like it is, and it showed on a huge stage.
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Speaker 2: Here we are, we're joined by the biggest insider in
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Speaker 2: the game, Ken Rosenthal. Fresh off is WBC Late Nights
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Speaker 2: with Team USA and Venezuela playing last night, Venezuela winning
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Speaker 2: three to three to two. Ken, what was it like
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Speaker 2: last night in that stadium? Talk to me about Venezuela
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Speaker 2: and USA.
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Speaker 1: Well, Aja, you experienced it when you were here as well.
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Speaker 1: It's great every night at low Depot Park for the WBC.
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Speaker 1: It's not always great when the Marlins are playing. In fact,
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Speaker 1: it's not nearly as great when the Marlins are playing.
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Speaker 1: But the atmosphere was great, crowd was great. The Venezuelan fans,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say they topped the Dominican fans,
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Speaker 1: but it's neck and neck at the very least. And
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Speaker 1: they were so overjoyed, so happy. The players were so happy.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that anyone, even in a United States
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Speaker 1: fan could be upset with the outcome in the sense
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Speaker 1: that you could see the joy it brought to the
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Speaker 1: players and by extension, the country.
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Speaker 4: Ken.
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Speaker 2: First of all, we're presented by Fox one having Ken on,
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Speaker 2: But how come people say they can't do an atmosphere
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Speaker 2: in Miami like this? No one likes baseball in Miami.
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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to come to the games in Miami. These
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Speaker 2: games were incredible. The atmosphere was incredible. The place was
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Speaker 2: sold out.
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Speaker 4: Why is it just from the WBC and not the Marlins.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's the team. And if the team ever gets
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Speaker 1: good again, and actually they're on their way, then maybe
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Speaker 1: you'll see something resembling that atmosphere. Now we should say this,
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Speaker 1: it's the WBC. It's a different environment. The players, especially
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Speaker 1: from the Latin American countries, will tell you that this
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Speaker 1: means more to them than in some cases even the
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Speaker 1: World Series. So it's that way for the fans too.
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Speaker 1: A regular season baseball game between the Mami Morons and
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Speaker 1: even the New York Yankees will never have that kind
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Speaker 1: of Jews. It's just not the same level of intensity
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Speaker 1: postseason baseball closer. But I would say the crowds here
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Speaker 1: and the crowds in twenty twenty three were even more
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Speaker 1: intense than almost every crowd of experience in the postseason.
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Speaker 1: Philly's really good, Toronto is good. At the end, La
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Speaker 1: is good. But this is different, and you could see
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Speaker 1: the difference watching on TV. I would imagine you could
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Speaker 1: hear the difference as well.
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Speaker 3: Thousands of postgame interviews, You've done interviews with players in
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Speaker 3: different situations, World Series, all that stuff. Can you feel
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Speaker 3: the emotion that he was putting out there after his
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Speaker 3: country won?
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Speaker 1: Yes, and that was to me extraordinary that interview. And
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Speaker 1: I know he of course spoke a lot about his
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Speaker 1: religion and his faith, and some people get offended by that,
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Speaker 1: but man, it was just such a pure reaction. It's
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Speaker 1: who he is, obviously, and yes, I could definitely feel
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Speaker 1: I would say, the intensity of his reaction and just
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Speaker 1: how happy he was. And it was a cool interview
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Speaker 1: to be a part of. And in general, those players
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Speaker 1: carry themselves, of course, with a lot of class, and
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Speaker 1: there's some of my favorite people in the game, soal
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Speaker 1: Perezjeneo Suarez, Luis Raise. These are some of the best
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Speaker 1: guys I know. And again I was happy for them.
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Speaker 1: I was happy because I knew how much it meant
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Speaker 1: to them. We could all see how much it meant
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Speaker 1: to them. It didn't take much to figure that out.
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Speaker 1: And in that postgame interview, his joy radiated, his passion radiated.
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Speaker 1: And it seems to me I didn't I haven't watched
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Speaker 1: it back yet, but I would imagine it was almost
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Speaker 1: like he was jumping out of the screen because it
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Speaker 1: was that cool.
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Speaker 5: That's what it looked like.
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Speaker 3: Now, these are all young, the players are all young,
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Speaker 3: even Salvi, even any of the players that are up
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Speaker 3: there in age. But you had on the bench, you
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Speaker 3: had Miguel Cabrera, you had Omar Lopez, you had Robinson,
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Speaker 3: Schirinos and Para and rugenet o'door was coaching third base.
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Speaker 3: What did it mean to those guys or did it
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Speaker 3: mean more to the players, because all of those guys
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Speaker 3: were like the people who blaze trails for these Venezuelan players.
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Speaker 1: It seems to me, Eric it meant a ton to
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Speaker 1: all of them. And I believe we showed Miggy crying
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Speaker 1: Mickey Cabrera. I don't know that we've ever seen that.
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Speaker 1: And they were all so desperate, it's not the right word,
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Speaker 1: eager to do this for their country. And we all
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Speaker 1: know Venezuela has gone through some really difficult times that
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Speaker 1: played into this. It certainly played into the emotion, but
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Speaker 1: there's also a love for their country that they have,
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Speaker 1: and it's their family and friends and relatives back home
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Speaker 1: that they were playing for as well. And it's true
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Speaker 1: of all countries, true of the US. The guys there too.
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Speaker 1: It's just the cultural difference between the two. They show
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Speaker 1: it more than our guys do. It doesn't mean our
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Speaker 1: guys are wrong, doesn't mean they care less, doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: they love their sport less or their country less. They
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Speaker 1: love it as much, but it's just a different way
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Speaker 1: of expressing yourself. And again that outpouring in addition, not
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Speaker 1: just from the players and coaches and staff on the field,
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Speaker 1: but in the stands.
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Speaker 2: It was incredible, guys, Ben, I'm never gonna I've never
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Speaker 2: seen this many people cry on a baseball field of joy,
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Speaker 2: tears of sadness, you know whatever. Happy for Venezuela, happy
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Speaker 2: for the players, Like you said, Salvi Perez, Maggie Johann Santana,
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Speaker 2: Omar Lopez, Arise. They just have some Suarez. They have
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Speaker 2: some really good guys on their team, and the US
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Speaker 2: has good guys on their team.
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Speaker 5: Also.
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Speaker 2: Can we put to bed the narrative, please, that the
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Speaker 2: US didn't care as much as the other teams because
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Speaker 2: just because they didn't show it, and they play a
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Speaker 2: different game than what the US people are brought brought
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Speaker 2: up playing, right, it's more emotional, it's more showy, and
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Speaker 2: that's fine, that's the way it is. But we saw
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Speaker 2: when Bryce Harper hit the home run, pointing to the
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Speaker 2: patch on his sleeve, right, blowing the kisses, doing this salute,
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Speaker 2: all the things. Can we please put that narrative to
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Speaker 2: bed that the US doesn't care as much.
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Speaker 1: Actually, I tried to on the broadcast the other night,
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Speaker 1: and it's a ridiculous narrative. And it's so funny to
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Speaker 1: me aj ten fifteen years ago, when we were still
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Speaker 1: in the period where the unwritten rules ruled right, the
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Speaker 1: reaction of players from Venezuela, Dominican Republic, all the guys
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Speaker 1: who would act like they did, some Americans too, that
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Speaker 1: was looked down upon. Now, if you don't act like that.
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Speaker 1: It's looked down upon. And the idea that these guys
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Speaker 1: didn't care and weren't trying to win as hard as
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Speaker 1: they could, it's absurd. They cared a lot, and they bonded,
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Speaker 1: and they relished being part of this team. They relished
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Speaker 1: being with each other, They relished representing their country. And
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Speaker 1: if you want to look at this question from a
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Speaker 1: different perspective, Okay, because the US beat the Dominican Republic,
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Speaker 1: does that mean the US cared more than the Dominican Republic. No?
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Speaker 1: Did Venezuela win last night because they cared more than
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Speaker 1: the US. No. It was a baseball game and people
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Speaker 1: expressed themselves differently. One of the beauties of this tournament,
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Speaker 1: in fact, Bryce spoke to this last night, is that
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Speaker 1: we get to celebrate the diversity of baseball cultures. We
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Speaker 1: get to see and experience all the different cultures in
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Speaker 1: this game, this beautiful game that is played around the world.
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Speaker 1: When I say that, I mean the culture is from
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Speaker 1: the Asian countries, the cultures from the Latin American countries,
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Speaker 1: and yes, the culture from our country. They're all different.
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Speaker 1: And you know what different is beautiful. It makes the
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Speaker 1: world go round, and it's just such a cool thing
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Speaker 1: that the WBC brings us to see all of these
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Speaker 1: different things go on. I just love it for that reason.
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Speaker 1: And again, to say that the US players didn't care
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Speaker 1: is one of the bigger fallacies I've ever heard. It's absurd.
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Speaker 2: By the way, much loved the Bryce Harper also for
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Speaker 2: going over and shaking the Venezuela players hands after they
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Speaker 2: had won.
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Speaker 4: That was a cool moment.
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Speaker 2: I know not everyone does it, but for Bryce to
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Speaker 2: think of that at the time, very cool moment that
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Speaker 2: people got to see that that, you know, it was
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Speaker 2: much respect for what they did. And also, Ken, can
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Speaker 2: you imagine how much fun I would have had if
14:54
Speaker 2: I got to play in an era where you could
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Speaker 2: batflip and talk a little trash And I mean, can
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Speaker 2: you imagine, Ken, how much fun and how many good
15:01
Speaker 2: stories you could have wrote about me about all the
15:03
Speaker 2: crazy stuff I would have done.
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Speaker 1: He Ja. The thing is, people don't realize if you
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Speaker 1: were ahead of your time, right thank you. You were
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Speaker 1: a guy that, yes, played with a lot of passion,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes it ticked people off and sometimes it didn't whatever,
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Speaker 1: But we all know that everybody has to not just
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Speaker 1: on a baseball field, but in real life, go according
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Speaker 1: to their own personality. You gotta be yourself, and that's
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Speaker 1: what everyone in this tournament was being. And it seems
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Speaker 1: to me the tournament gives players a better opportunity to
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Speaker 1: express themselves. Dante Boschett Junior played for Team Brazil. He
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Speaker 1: kind of mentioned that early in the tournament. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of like, do what you want and let it out,
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Speaker 1: and that's cool, it's cool. It wouldn't work, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: over one hundred and sixty two games, because it's too
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Speaker 1: long a season. You can't ride that emotional high. But
15:54
Speaker 1: this is a sprint and this is an intense period
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Speaker 1: of baseball and an intense emotional time for all of
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Speaker 1: these players. So from that perspective alone, while the WBC
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Speaker 1: is flawed in any number of ways, I always tell
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Speaker 1: people and I'll say it again, and I think it
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Speaker 1: holds right now. You watch the games, you get it,
16:17
Speaker 1: you understand you have.
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Speaker 3: To be who you are. Then that means a manager
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Speaker 3: like Mark de Rosa has to be who he is.
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Speaker 3: Is the fact that everybody was being who they were,
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Speaker 3: that everybody was, you know, expressing themselves differently, The fact
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Speaker 3: that Tmusa actually was caring. We heard it here first.
16:35
Speaker 3: Ken Rosenthal broke that news like shouldn't he should he
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Speaker 3: be back next year? I mean next time, next time
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Speaker 3: they have the WBC because of the fact that he
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Speaker 3: enabled these players to be who they were and they
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Speaker 3: just came up short or should he be to blame
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Speaker 3: for some of this quote failing because they didn't finish
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Speaker 3: the job.
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Speaker 1: I have a hard time blaming him for this. And
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Speaker 1: two times now that he's managed, they went to the
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Speaker 1: ninth inning of the championship game. It's pretty good baseball.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Nothing he did strategically
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Speaker 1: had a dramatic impact, and I thought he had a
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Speaker 1: really good game strategically against the Dominican Republic. The one
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Speaker 1: thing he wanted to do was just what you refer to, Eric,
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Speaker 1: create this culture of players that cared about each other,
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Speaker 1: that brought the best out of each other, that became
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Speaker 1: a team in every sense of the word. And I
17:27
Speaker 1: never got to this on the broadcast and I never
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Speaker 1: wrote it just didn't work out. But Adam Waynwright, who
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Speaker 1: was of course a member of Team USA in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty three, had a great perspective on DeRosa, and he
17:39
Speaker 1: called him after DeRosa made those mistaken comments, the one
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Speaker 1: about qualifying for the quarterfinal before they qualified for the
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Speaker 1: quarterfinal and the other one which he got criticized for
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Speaker 1: when he said the players were dragging. That was not
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Speaker 1: a great comment. What Rainwright told De Rosa is, hey man,
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Speaker 1: you are a guy as a manager who makes players
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Speaker 1: love being in the WBC, love the game, more, invest
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Speaker 1: in their teammates more. That is who you are and
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Speaker 1: I would agree with that. That is who DeRosa is
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Speaker 1: and he succeeded in that in a very very big way. Now,
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Speaker 1: should it be back, some people might say, well, you
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Speaker 1: need somebody different. He hasn't won twice. Okay, somebody can
18:26
Speaker 1: say that that's fine. I could see it going either way.
18:29
Speaker 1: But in my view, he rallied this team when they
18:34
Speaker 1: had that crisis after Italy crisis that was in part
18:37
Speaker 1: due to his comments. And they came back and they
18:41
Speaker 1: beat Canada, they beat the Dominican Republic, and they nearly
18:44
Speaker 1: beat Venezuela.
18:46
Speaker 3: And I want a couple I want to build off
18:48
Speaker 3: of what you said that US cares, but I also
18:50
Speaker 3: want your comment on it. Did you see the players
18:53
Speaker 3: taking off their silver metal as they were leaving the
18:57
Speaker 3: field after they got it, And to me as a player,
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Speaker 3: that means they cared a lot. They wanted to win
19:04
Speaker 3: and second place wasn't good enough.
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Speaker 1: I saw Mason Miller do that. I wasn't watching every player,
19:10
Speaker 1: and I was a little surprised. It's a silver medal,
19:12
Speaker 1: it's nothing to be ashamed of. But I am certain
19:16
Speaker 1: that there is a burning desire among some of the
19:19
Speaker 1: younger players, Mason Miller perhaps in particular, to come back
19:23
Speaker 1: the next time there is a WBC, assuming there is one.
19:25
Speaker 1: It has to be agreed upon by the league in
19:27
Speaker 1: the Union and win this thing, and win it in
19:31
Speaker 1: a big way. Now it's tournament baseball. There is some
19:34
Speaker 1: randomness involved in the small samples. We all know that.
19:37
Speaker 1: But yes, the US players, I am certain that some
19:41
Speaker 1: of them feel like, Okay, I'll be back and we're
19:44
Speaker 1: gonna win the next time, and that's what you want.
19:47
Speaker 1: Over the years, the participation from the US players has
19:51
Speaker 1: grown almost exponentially, and you had a situation in this
19:55
Speaker 1: tournament where really all of the best players wanted to
19:58
Speaker 1: play for Team USA. So I would expect that would continue,
20:03
Speaker 1: and I would expect that maybe the next time. The
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Speaker 1: overall passion that we're going to see from these guys
20:09
Speaker 1: just about joining the team is even greater than it
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Speaker 1: was this year, and it was pretty darn great this year.
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Speaker 1: So yes, Eric, it left a bad taste. It was
20:19
Speaker 1: one of those deals where almost like in the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: when you see guys watching the other teams celebrate and
20:25
Speaker 1: they keep it in their head. It seemed like there
20:28
Speaker 1: was some of that last night.
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Speaker 2: That's a good thing, Ken, That's a good thing for
20:32
Speaker 2: the team USA. They've only won one of these, so
20:34
Speaker 2: they need to let's go. Let's go as a patriot
20:38
Speaker 2: and someone born in the United States, and we need
20:40
Speaker 2: the USA to win a couple more of these to
20:41
Speaker 2: get even with the rest of the world. You mentioned
20:44
Speaker 2: the CBA, and you mentioned this is something that's negotiated.
20:47
Speaker 2: After the game last night, Rob Manfred was there handing
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Speaker 2: out medals along with Bruce Meyer, who.
20:51
Speaker 4: Was ahead of the Players Association.
20:53
Speaker 2: Do you think they negotiated while they were standing there
20:55
Speaker 2: at home plate handing out the medals. Do you think
20:57
Speaker 2: that was the start of the negotiation. If they can
21:00
Speaker 2: agree to stand in a circle, you know, fifteen by
21:03
Speaker 2: fifteen circle, can we get them in a room to
21:05
Speaker 2: start the negotiations.
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Speaker 1: Please Ange, I don't believe they were negotiating last night.
21:10
Speaker 5: Why not.
21:11
Speaker 1: It's almost a triumph to see them standing in within
21:15
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten feet of each other and not
21:17
Speaker 1: like sniping at each other because of the relationship between
21:20
Speaker 1: these parties over the years. But negotiations are expected to
21:24
Speaker 1: start some time after opening day. Now. Do I expect
21:27
Speaker 1: any deal to be done before the expiration of the
21:29
Speaker 1: CBA December first? Absolutely not. It's just the nature of
21:34
Speaker 1: these negotiations. It's the way it's going to go. I
21:37
Speaker 1: do remember back in two thousand and six, it was
21:40
Speaker 1: my first year at Fox, they got an agreement. It
21:44
Speaker 1: was in October, and I remember before a World Series
21:47
Speaker 1: game interviewing on the field Don Fear and Bud sealing
21:51
Speaker 1: about the CBA that was agreed upon before it expired
21:55
Speaker 1: during the World Series. It is possible. I just don't
21:59
Speaker 1: expect it to happen.
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Speaker 5: Ken.
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Speaker 2: You're you're the ultimate mediator. Look at you bring everyone together.
22:04
Speaker 2: You're just you're just great at it. At lease all peace,
22:07
Speaker 2: love and peace, Ken love in peace right for Ken Rosen.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's Ken Rosenthal. Thanks for joining us. Safe travels.
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Speaker 2: Wherever you're off to, Ken, I think we'll see you
22:15
Speaker 2: in San Francisco next week, is all right, Yankee san
22:18
Speaker 2: Francisco for the first game on Fox Baseball Night in America.
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Speaker 1: Mike Battle week and a half away.
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Speaker 2: Ken, my game can't even make the graphics, so I mean,
22:25
Speaker 2: my Royals Braves game can't even make the graphics. So
22:28
Speaker 2: you know some of us, some of us are here
22:30
Speaker 2: and some of us are down here. Kay, Yes, I know, Gratzy,
22:33
Speaker 2: I apologize, but it was nice. So thanks Ken, safe travels.
22:36
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon, and uh, good luck on
22:38
Speaker 2: your notebook next week. Thanks aj Hey.
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Speaker 4: Eric the calendar. Here's the calendar of our tour. They're
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Speaker 4: all check marks except for one.
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Speaker 2: I'm seriously have a tear in my eye because I
23:18
Speaker 2: won't get to hang out with Mark anymore, and I
23:21
Speaker 2: might actually be able to get a free dinner that
23:23
Speaker 2: I have that I don't have to pay for from
23:26
Speaker 2: someone else because Mark makes me buy dinner every night.
23:28
Speaker 2: And now here we are at the end and we
23:30
Speaker 2: only have one more day after today. Are you as
23:32
Speaker 2: sad as I am that this is coming to an end.
23:35
Speaker 3: I'm really not sad about it because I love the
23:38
Speaker 3: fact that you've been getting. I'm not sure how many
23:41
Speaker 3: free dinners you actually have to pay for, Like, I'm
23:43
Speaker 3: not sure what you meant by that, Like, well, I
23:45
Speaker 3: meant that I have to pay.
23:46
Speaker 2: For dinner and I can actually get a free dinner
23:48
Speaker 2: now because Mark.
23:48
Speaker 3: We know, we know that's not true. We know that's
23:51
Speaker 3: not true. But I'm glad you're gonna be able to
23:53
Speaker 3: get to go home, even though you spent the entire
23:55
Speaker 3: month in your lovely state of Florida. And I love
23:59
Speaker 3: that we get to finish it on a high note
24:01
Speaker 3: with the best spring training facility that I was ever
24:05
Speaker 3: a part of. Clearwater is the best place to watch
24:08
Speaker 3: a game. I don't know why not the facility, players wise,
24:11
Speaker 3: but like stadium wise. We just talked about it last night.
24:14
Speaker 3: My favorite stadium has always been Clearwater. I don't know why.
24:18
Speaker 3: Something about Frenchies in left field, something about the you know,
24:22
Speaker 3: as far as like facilities, it's not like the nicest,
24:26
Speaker 3: but something about Clearwater. It just it was always packed,
24:30
Speaker 3: just a good atmosphere for me.
24:33
Speaker 2: I agreed, it was always fun that one time I
24:35
Speaker 2: went there to play away game. It was fun as
24:39
Speaker 2: a brave No, not as a brave as a red song.
24:42
Speaker 2: I actually I actually requested to go there as a
24:44
Speaker 2: red Song because I could drive home and then I
24:46
Speaker 2: could go back.
24:47
Speaker 4: I went on all the road games.
24:48
Speaker 2: That's why David Ross and I are friends, because I
24:50
Speaker 2: went on all the road games and he got to
24:52
Speaker 2: stay at home because I wanted to go because I
24:54
Speaker 2: could go home to Orlando and then I could meet
24:56
Speaker 2: the team. And it was actually easier for me to
24:57
Speaker 2: do it that way. But anyways, let's get to our
25:00
Speaker 2: season preview of the Toronto Blue Jays did defending American
25:03
Speaker 2: League champions from twenty twenty five. They're back, they have
25:06
Speaker 2: some new players, Yes, they have a lot of their
25:08
Speaker 2: guys back, but they're missing some guys.
25:09
Speaker 6: You know, they.
25:13
Speaker 5: Got some dudes, that's for sure.
25:15
Speaker 4: They do they listen.
25:17
Speaker 2: They have Gosman back obviously, but then you had you Savage.
25:21
Speaker 2: They have Max back, they have Baber. Where's Barrios at?
25:24
Speaker 2: Starting pitching? Is their strength?
25:26
Speaker 4: Do you still think it's the strength of this team
25:28
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six?
25:28
Speaker 3: Scratchy Yeah, I mean this whole, this whole run that
25:33
Speaker 3: they've made. When you talk to like a Kevin Gosman
25:36
Speaker 3: and you go, Okay, he's been here for this is
25:38
Speaker 3: fifth season. I think he signed a five year, one
25:41
Speaker 3: hundred and ten million dollars deal. The way that they've pitched,
25:44
Speaker 3: the fact that they're starting pitchers. They all went out
25:47
Speaker 3: and made all their starts the one year I forget
25:50
Speaker 3: what their what their starting rotation era was. It was incredible.
25:55
Speaker 3: But the reason it was incredible was because their defense
25:58
Speaker 3: was incredible. You had throughout this time. You've had Platinum
26:02
Speaker 3: Glove at third base. You've had Andrea Samenez at second
26:06
Speaker 3: base for a little bit of this. Now he's gonna
26:08
Speaker 3: shift over to Now he's gonna shift over to shortstop.
26:11
Speaker 3: You've had Dalton varshow which was a trade that Blue
26:15
Speaker 3: Jays and Shapiro and the front office got a flat
26:19
Speaker 3: got a lot of flak for because they brought Dalton
26:21
Speaker 3: varshow in and Gabrielle Moreno went over to the Diamondbacks
26:25
Speaker 3: and almost won a World Series. And you say, oh,
26:28
Speaker 3: how can you get rid of that when you don't
26:30
Speaker 3: know what you have behind the dish. Now, Alejandro Kirk
26:33
Speaker 3: has a goal glove. Like you sit there and you go,
26:36
Speaker 3: this team is build around pitching in defense, and I
26:40
Speaker 3: think they doubled down on it again because they added
26:43
Speaker 3: more depth to their starting rotation. Did they add like
26:46
Speaker 3: four Dylan Ceases. No, but they went out and got
26:49
Speaker 3: what some would have said was one of the top
26:52
Speaker 3: two or three pitchers in the free agent market. So
26:56
Speaker 3: they added to that depth, which they know they were
26:59
Speaker 3: losing Bass. They didn't know the health of Barrios, they
27:03
Speaker 3: didn't because of how the season ended, They didn't know,
27:07
Speaker 3: you know, they didn't know what they were going to
27:08
Speaker 3: get back with Bieber. They just keep adding to it.
27:11
Speaker 3: But I think the reason this pitching does so well
27:13
Speaker 3: is because they're good. But this defense is what has
27:17
Speaker 3: really really helped this pitching and helped them hopefully stay
27:21
Speaker 3: healthy and make another run.
27:23
Speaker 2: The one thing they do like in Toronto is guys
27:25
Speaker 2: that'd make all their starts. That's why Dylan Seasid I
27:27
Speaker 2: think fit really well. Berios has always made his start.
27:30
Speaker 2: Kevin Gosman's another guy that makes a lot of his starts.
27:33
Speaker 2: Bieber you know when he's healthy, obviously he can be
27:36
Speaker 2: one of the best. Max we all know it could
27:38
Speaker 2: be one of the best. Cody Ponce has made his
27:39
Speaker 2: starts in Korea in the last couple years. That's the
27:42
Speaker 2: kind of people that they look for when they bring
27:44
Speaker 2: in guys. Here's something I want you to look at,
27:45
Speaker 2: Thoughcratsey for Fangrafs the division standings that projected standings. I'm
27:49
Speaker 2: a little surprised by this that the Blue Jays only
27:51
Speaker 2: eighty four point eight wins. They won ninety four games
27:54
Speaker 2: last year, and I feel like they yes, they lost Bobushit,
27:56
Speaker 2: but I feel like they improved.
27:58
Speaker 4: I think this number is low for me.
28:01
Speaker 5: Can I can?
28:03
Speaker 3: I mean just because if I would, if you would
28:05
Speaker 3: tell me, just in a vacuum, the Blue Jays are
28:07
Speaker 3: gonna only win eighty four games, I would say, WHOA,
28:11
Speaker 3: that's way under But when you look at where they
28:13
Speaker 3: project the rest of the wins, they're really just with
28:17
Speaker 3: these wins win projections, they're just projecting the fact that
28:20
Speaker 3: they have the toughest division. They have a division as
28:25
Speaker 3: just going to beat each other up. When you think
28:28
Speaker 3: about the fact that the Rays are not a pushover
28:31
Speaker 3: and they have the least amount of projected wins in
28:33
Speaker 3: this do I think the division is going to be
28:35
Speaker 3: a little bit more spread out? Yes, I think the
28:37
Speaker 3: Rays are probably more like a seventy five win team,
28:40
Speaker 3: But from there the Orioles to the Yankees, Blue Jays
28:44
Speaker 3: and Red Sox in the middle here, I think each
28:47
Speaker 3: one of these teams can win ninety games. So who's
28:50
Speaker 3: gonna do it? Is the Blue Jays? Is the blue
28:53
Speaker 3: Jays defense going to take them that next step?
28:55
Speaker 5: Is that?
28:57
Speaker 3: Is that starting rotation depth going to give them enough
29:02
Speaker 3: of these victories? Is there is there bullpen deep enough?
29:06
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's in the American League East.
29:08
Speaker 5: And it's just not gonna be any time to breathe.
29:11
Speaker 3: And so I think where that number is, I think
29:14
Speaker 3: that's why they have it, But I think it's a
29:16
Speaker 3: I think it's a low number. I see them more
29:18
Speaker 3: as like the eighty eight to ninety one win type
29:21
Speaker 3: of team.
29:23
Speaker 2: Okay, but then which one's more right here? Is it
29:25
Speaker 2: fangrass eighty four point eight or bet mgm. I'm more
29:27
Speaker 2: on the bet mgm eighty eight point five list. If
29:30
Speaker 2: I'm looking this as an outsider looking at the Blue
29:33
Speaker 2: Jays win projection, I think BETMGM is going to be
29:35
Speaker 2: closer to the number than fangrafs.
29:38
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree. I think it's gonna be tough
29:40
Speaker 3: to win. Win to me, eighty four way low for
29:45
Speaker 3: this team, Are you kidding me?
29:48
Speaker 5: Waylow?
29:48
Speaker 3: But again I think that's how That's why fangrass. When fangrass,
29:52
Speaker 3: you know, they're usually they're usually missing those projections Pakoda projections.
29:57
Speaker 3: They usually go lower for everybody because not everybody can win.
30:01
Speaker 3: Not everybody can win ninety plus games, Like the division
30:04
Speaker 3: will not all win ninety plus games, and it could
30:06
Speaker 3: hurt them making it to the playoffs, especially when you
30:09
Speaker 3: talk about the AL Central having some teams that you
30:14
Speaker 3: might have one team that does really good out of
30:16
Speaker 3: the AL Central and then some other teams that could
30:19
Speaker 3: win eighty four to eighty six games and possibly not
30:22
Speaker 3: be as good as an American League East team, but
30:25
Speaker 3: these American League East teams have to play each other
30:27
Speaker 3: thirteen times. I think it's I think it's definitely. I
30:36
Speaker 3: think it's definitely one of those things that is important
30:40
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30:42
Speaker 3: to me, it will be based around this lineup. This
30:45
Speaker 3: lineup did not strike out, did not strike out last year,
30:51
Speaker 3: and they are bringing back the similar type of players.
30:55
Speaker 5: Alkamoto is going to be an.
30:56
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31:00
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Speaker 2: I was never I mean I was. Was I gonna
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Speaker 2: We're back with slop pans. We had a great show here.
33:44
Speaker 2: I want to thank everybody at the Blue Jays and
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33:48
Speaker 2: stadium isn't here, I like it because everyone's contained in
33:50
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33:53
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34:04
Speaker 2: for guys coming out and tomorrow Krowts, I can't believe it.
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Speaker 2: It's our last, our last day of spring training camp.
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34:23
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna miss it.
34:24
Speaker 3: But it's just like AJ with batting practice, one more,
34:29
Speaker 3: one more and only only players understand that joke. But
34:32
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with my Kratz Hats the team I
34:35
Speaker 3: got drafted by. It's kind of a love hate relationship
34:38
Speaker 3: for me because of different things that have happened throughout
34:41
Speaker 3: my career. Chances not chances, traded, not traded, all that stuff,
34:46
Speaker 3: but have they settled on a beautiful, beautiful logo which
34:50
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34:55
Speaker 3: than I changed teams.
34:57
Speaker 2: Let's go Loue Jay, Let's let's play play ball, the
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Speaker 2: the daycrats an awesome place at Roger Centers. So if
35:10
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35:11
Speaker 2: We'll see you guys tomorrow.