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A Voice for Rip City & The Price of Pushing Your Limits · The PNW Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Out of left field, Kevin Garnett says, Portland is my team.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_02: I would go and coach Portland right now.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: Even being a Minnesota Timberwolf at heart, even loving, you know, some of the pieces that the Timberwolves have, I think that this year's small ball is going to be huge in the NBA.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I love all the pieces that Portland's put together on this team.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: Hearing that from Kevin Garnett, of all people, was pretty surprising, Drew.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's one of the, you know, anybody that you ask, take any superstar from any generation of the NBA and ask them what team they would coach this year.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: 99 times out of 100, they're not saying Portland.
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• 1:08
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• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: We got Marcus in Eugene.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know, we didn't plan it, but we're both rocking some baby blue shirts today.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's the only one in my closet, Drew, so it is kind of a lottery ticket day that we both decided to put that on.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we should go out and buy a Powerball ticket because this, like I said, I mean, I've got hundreds of t-shirts.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_02: This is the only baby blue one.
• 1:28
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• 1:34
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• 1:43
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• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: Get caught up while you have a chance.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Marcus, some great news.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, uh a good buddy of mine is Travis Demurs, the radio play-by-play for the Portland Trailblazers.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, he came on, did an episode of the Fit for Radio podcast that you can find at our website as well.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but some leaked information by the Oregonian.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: I saw KGW sharing it as well that Travis will get a shot at television.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: And Marcus, we've been lobbying for him here.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think it's well deserved.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's well spoken.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: He'd look good on TV, and nobody prepares like Travis does when it comes to the statistics and the ins and outs of getting ready for a game.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just so excited for my buddy uh to go out there and crush it.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: And um, really, the season's kicking off right around the corner here.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm I'm glad to hear that KGW was reporting it because that means they've completed their deep dive of any social media that Travis had back when he was 12, uh, and they've deemed it appropriate for Portland Trail Blazers broadcasting.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm really glad that that happened for the guy.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, all jokes aside, Drew, I'm super pumped for him because um, you know, he is the guy that I don't get to watch very many Blazers games at all.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm if I'm getting to catch a Blazers game these days, it's typically on the radio.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: And so Travis is the voice I'm used to.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and he does a great job, like you say.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: You can tell he's well prepared.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_02: And also you get a little bit of like an appropriate amount of feeling like this guy's there for your team.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I love about a local broadcast.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we've we talked about Jerry Allen before on this show.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'll never forget listening to Jerry Allen cry when the Ducks made uh the national championship uh at the Civil War game.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like that clip is cemented in my in my brain.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like we might get some of the same, maybe not as heavy of emotion out of Travis if the Blazers were to say, uh, make the NBA Finals.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: But I know that he's there rooting for my team, and that's what I love about it.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it goes back a ways, you know, back when I was doing standard issue radio, Trav would come on the show because we worked in the same building, and so we would talk him into throwing uh lines from rock songs into his broadcast, and he was so good at it.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: I I forget the team and maybe the Kings or something, and he's like, the Blazers are on a roll and the Kings are thunderstruck.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, he just was he always played along, but was still such a consummate professional.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I know uh he's got two young sons that are very proud of him, and and it'll be cool to tell your buddies at school that your dad doesn't just work for the Blazers, but he's the guy on television.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: But unlike some other news sources, we will wait to hear from the Blazers what the exact plan is, but I do know it means that you will be seeing Travis on the screen with Lamar.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I think it'll be a great little duo between them and the sky's the limit.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: So only 32 of those jobs in the country will also wait to see will they simulcast radio or will it be two separate broadcasts?
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because that was kind of the warning before that you know there would be TV and radio for now.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: And if you look at what Dundan did on the other coast with his hockey team, he combined the two.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: And now we'll see how that goes.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think it helps when you take a radio guy and you move him to television because they already know how to describe the game in a way that people in their car can understand.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so if he can, I mean, it will be pure brilliance if he can do it, but where you mesh those two worlds where people feel content on television, but Travis can still give you theater of the mind to where you're driving in your car or working in a shop and you can see what's happening through his mouth.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I can't wait to see it.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it really will show the scope of his abilities and how good he really is at it, Drew.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because I you're right when you say you move the radio guy to TV, much better at painting the picture for you.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, some of our favorite um television play-by-play guys, you think of guys like Al Michaels, guys like uh Gus Johnson are some of them.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: One thing that they do really well is they use very few words to describe the situation accurately because you're looking at it.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: You don't need a picture painted for you.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I do think that if you moved those guys to radio, there would be some dead air that you're waiting for them to say something.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas a radio guy can talk from the beginning to the end without any problem and never leave any questions about what's going on with the action.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: So um, if they do merge it, it'll be interesting to see.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that that would be a real undertaking.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: I know just, you know, what I've done for my entire professional career.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: If you asked me to sort of shift that mindset, it would probably take me a while.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm betting that Travis is going to be on it, uh, you know, hit the nail right on the head because of what a pro he is.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: So um I'm I'm happy, I'm excited, and I hope for him that uh we hear some good news and we get uh the news that we want to hear.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: Drew, both of us want to hear it, but we'll wait.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: We're not gonna jump the gun like some of the other publications out there.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: One thing we can talk about is just this team is exciting.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm watching some of the highlights that are popping up on social media.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, Ali Oops from Denny Advia, Damian Lillard drilling threes like he never got hurt and never left Portland.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Ja Morant looking like he's gelling well with the team, saying all the right things too.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they asked him if he feels like he needs to be a starter, and he says, you know, winning is what's most important.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: So if that means me coming off the bench, he's fine with that.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: And we need to have, when we have this deep of a team and it's small ball, we need to have guys who are willing to sometimes start on the bench and then come in.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: The sixth man is still one of the most important players on the team.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if that's him or if that's Drew Holliday or whatever it looks like, I'm just really excited.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the only thing we kind of lack is a true power forward, like that uh Lamarcus Aldridge low presence where you dip the ball down, but that's more of a slower half-court offense.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at Danny Advia and Dame and Jaw, they're kind of a drive and kick kind of a player.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: Dame not so much anymore because as he's getting older, he's more of a spot shooter, but he can develop his own shot.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to go into the half-court offense and do like a all right, now they dip it into Duncan.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, double shake and turn and shoot.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: We don't really play that way, so maybe it won't be a big deal, but this team is exciting.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: It really is, man.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I've been watching the highlights as well, and and I actually saw something.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't typically watch YouTubers like Aiden Ross, but he did have Kevin Garnett on the other day, and I saw a short clip.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and Aiden just asked Kevin Garnett, hey, if you could pick any team right now and be the coach, who would it be?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_02: And out of left field, Kevin Garnett says, Portland is my team.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: I would go and coach Portland right now.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: Even being a Minnesota Timberwolf at heart, even loving, you know, some of the pieces that the Timberwolves have, I think, and this is Kevin Garnett saying this, I think that this year's small ball is going to be huge in the NBA.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I love all the pieces that Portland's put together on this team.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: Hearing that from uh Kevin Garnett, of all people, was pretty surprising, Drew.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's one of the, you know, anybody that you ask, take any superstar from any generation of the NBA and ask them what team they would coach this year.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: I 99 times out of 100, they're not saying Portland.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so this was a big surprise to me.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: And especially a guy that played such a physical brand of ball like Kevin Carnett did.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I loved it.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: I was so that right there made me so much more excited for the season because you feel like the guys that have been in it might have a little bit of a leg up on knowing how things might shake out should you know injuries not play a huge part or or you know, somebody demands a trade three weeks in, something like that.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: So nothing but excitement and hope, Drew.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: And and again, we talk about it so much.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's I just six weeks ago, I didn't feel like this.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm I'm happy to be feeling like this about the upcoming season right now.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it's one of those deals where we're so used to two guards, two forward center.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's just what it always has been.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: But you look at a different sport like soccer, they change that lineup all the time.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's not always, you know, four in the back, three in the middle, three in the front.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: You sometimes you have two strikers, sometimes you have three defenders, sometimes you have four midfielders.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: The reason I bring that up is you look at the San Antonio Spurs, they made it to the NBA Finals last year, but nearly unstoppable.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: They've unveiled a three-guard starting lineup.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: And now they're all great players, but they're not afraid to start three guards.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe that's what we'll do.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we'll start three guards, one forward and a center.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we do have multiple big men.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Robert Williams, you've got um young Hansen, and you've got the big dog in the middle.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, all three of those guys are gonna are gonna see some time.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how much young Hansen's gonna see, but that's a lot of seven-foot behavior hanging out right there in the front.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll at least be able to bump and grind up front, and maybe that'll open the door for those guards to play.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: And you already mentioned it, you know, they're asking John Moran, are you okay coming off the bench?
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Man, with that kind of depth that you're talking about, why wouldn't you be okay coming off the bench?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: You're talking about names like Drew Holiday, who might be not only like six man of the year material, but sixth man of the world forever material.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, how many times has that guy won the award?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: You'd love having a uh a guy like that coming off the bench alongside John Morant and another seven-footer and give the whole starting five a nice, uh a nice breath on the sideline.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: So um lots of reasons to be excited.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: But as lifelong Blazer fans, Drew, we know um temper temper now, we can't get too excited about this because we might be coming back here in January or February, uh, rubbing our temples and asking each other what happened.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: But there's another world where uh we're slapping high fives that time of year and further along into the season.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: So uh excited, excited for where it's going.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: And really hoping that we can dodge the injury bug.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm just hoping in the next week that I can say, I just hear the words microfracture surgery.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh yeah.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: That reminds me of Greg Odin and how excited we were, and then you lose him for the whole season and the window is closed.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm gonna be thinking happy thoughts, quality thoughts, and I hope uh when Trav's calling games, I hope we're making a playoff run.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because what better sample than showing when you're uniting a city on the broadcast, and if you were to, and I'm I don't want to jump to a conclusion, but let's just say make a deep playoff run and you have some of those buzzer beater moments, that's his voice on the call.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Those things are those things are forever, and so I really hope that we do make a great run in this year where we've got Travis on the mic, and really the sky is the limit.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: The only problem is still no deal made on the Moda Center.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like we were like, oh, the funding's approved.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: The city has said they're not going to let the funding remain after the end of the year if we don't have a principal deal in place.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of work left to be done.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now the Blazers and the City of Portland have said there's a lot of dialogue, but dialogue doesn't close deals.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's not signing on the bottom line.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: So uh we've got a lot of moving pieces before we're safe on that deal, but it's it is a little frightening that no deal is done.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and you wonder how much we're gonna hear about it as the games start to take you know precedent and start to uh be the things that matter.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Does this hit the back burner and all of a sudden the next time we hear any new developments, it's getting towards crunch time.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, that's kind of what worries me.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: I know that there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but uh fortunately here in the NBA, there was not a lot to talk about because no games are being played.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: So we're hearing a lot of updates on this.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: We got a lot of reporters out there asking questions.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: Those questions about the stadium turn into questions about assists and rebounds and steals uh as the season rolls on.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: So let's just hope that a couple of the people that get to go to the press conferences still have uh a footnote on their uh on their notes there that says, like, ask a question about the arena every now and then because I I really want to stay updated on it.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, especially if you've got Dundan sitting there, uh, you're not gonna get too many cracks at him.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Ask the right questions and get some answers out of him, or at least uh get him talking so that maybe he slips up and says something he doesn't mean and lets us, you know, peek in behind the curtain a little bit on this whole situation.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and he says he wants to bring a championship to Portland, not to the Blazers, to Portland.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think that he has good intentions on that front, but he's also a businessman first.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: And if the numbers don't make sense, then that's how we'll end up losing our team.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I just hope that it's not too much greed on either side, because Portland needs the team.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: And Dundan doesn't necessarily need us, but moving a team isn't cheap either.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: And that comes with a serious price tag.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Just hoping that we can all get along and we can get on with talking about basketball and not dollars.
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• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: So turning to something that actually is a little bit more tragic and sad.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Marcus, did you hear about this guy who died during the Portland Marathon?
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: I did, man.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Really sad stuff.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Trayton, also known as Trey Laura, was just 24 years old.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, he was running the Portland Marathon on October 4th.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: He actually saw his wife there along the way and, you know, gave a high five or a hug or whatever and was openly smiling.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: And just a few miles later, he collapsed while running the race, reportedly suffered sudden cardiac arrest.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: They transported him to the hospital where he ends up dying, surrounded by his family.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what's wild about this is I was talking to some people who ran the Portland Marathon.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I saw a dad, he was wearing his medal at a school event, and I was like, hey, did you hear about what happened to that guy?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And he hadn't heard, but he said there was ambulances and all kinds of stuff, like commotion at the race that seemed out of place.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but in reality, that was what that was.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: This is just absolutely tragic.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now, he was a youth pastor who had recently been began working with the Foursquare Church, and they're all just in disbelief today.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: The age of 24, somebody so healthy going into cardiac arrest is just a nightmare.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it really is, Drew.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: And it's something you hear about, unfortunately, in marathon running um a little bit more frequently than you do in other sports.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, uh, we're we talk a lot of football on this show, and obviously you and I are die hard uh diet-in-the-wolf football fans, not just college, but pro as well.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure if you're uh like me, Drew, uh you could turn on the TV and catch a mid-major college football game or something like that, or a high school game.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: And what's always amazed me is that you're see you'll see more deaths if you're a marathon running fan than you will if you watch the most violent sport in the world in football.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: And um, I have a stat here that says, uh, this is according to BMJ Open Sport and Exercise, that the overall death rate is about 0.6, uh, between 0.6 and 1.04 deaths per 100,000 runners.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: Now that sounds low and it is low, but it's a lot higher than maybe 100,000 people playing basketball or 100,000 people playing soccer or any of these other sports where the endurance is definitely a part of it.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it can happen and it it a lot of times is just undiagnosed issues.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: They don't know that this person is running a marathon, which is whatever 26.2 miles uh with a heart problem.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, it's so important to go in and get this stuff checked, and and especially as we age to try to stay on top of your health.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: But you're a 24-year-old kid that's never maybe he's never had an issue with his heart or anything like that in his life, and he's in shape enough to run marathons.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's just not what you expect, which what is what makes it so unbelievably tragic.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a tough thing.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I do a lot of interviews and I I talk with a lot of endurance athletes, people who run marathons, do ultras, do Ironmans, try to break world records.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: And what what they have to realize, and you know, and I realized this the hard way when I tried to break the world record for push-ups and doing a million push-ups in a year, that it's not always a positive thing to push your body to the brink.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same thing.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Think of your car uh and your body as the same thing.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Even if you're in a performance vehicle, when you're ri driving it like you stole it, and you're you're burning rubber and you're you're doing all the things that you know, being hard on the transmission, it's the same thing with your body.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And when I tried to break the world record for push ups, the pain in my kidneys as I was attempting to do that, rhabdo, I believe is what they call it, when your your body's based.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Starting to poison itself.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you think you're doing everything right, right?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like you train every day, you eat correctly, you hydrate your body, and then your body starts to give out on you.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the same thing with me now that I've been dealing with some heart issues and going through all these tests, and and I had what they call an uh NSTEMI, which is a minor heart attack.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: It raises the question: should we be playing games with our body like this?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because 26 miles is a very long time.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and you know, if you and I were running it, our body would be telling us to stop, but they're in shape, they're trained for it, but that doesn't mean that their heart isn't still pumping out of control.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: And are is there a possibility that you're pumping so hard that you're creating scar tissue?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: That you know, you put a strain on it, and even though that it didn't hurt you this time, it's just a little bit of strain today and a little bit of strain tomorrow.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: And we we've learned it for a long time with your joints, right?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: People who run for a long time, they've got bad knees or a bad hip or or whatever, but we don't always think about the vital organs inside the body, your kidneys, your heart, the different things that help to motor your body.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I just the older I get, and with the recent health issues that I've had, I kind of really want to stress that people listen to your body when it's time to shut it down.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like this guy, he collapsed not at the end when he thinks he can run, right?
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: But who knows if a minute or two before that his body is warning him and he's thinking, oh, it's just I'm just hitting a minor wall.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: I need to push through that.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm insinuating because I don't know, but it is a dangerous game that we play if we're gonna do endurance athletics.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you got to kind of think about it like everybody, at least in everybody in my age group, right?
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: If you're in your 40s, you've been doing something strenuous or athletic or working out, and you felt that twinge in your hammy, and you go, ooh, and you kind of, you know, it shocks you a little bit.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't necessarily hurt, but it it's like something tinged you in the brain and went, hey, maybe pull it back on the hammy a little bit.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's not built for that.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: We don't necessarily get that out of the heart all the time, Drew.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's not something that you will just uh inherently know could be going on with your heart.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: So that what you're saying, that point about listening to your body, you really have to be in tune with it and listen to it in a way that maybe um isn't the most conventional.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's for you.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think you talked about it on the show.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: It was you just something didn't feel right, is the way that you described it.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: I got up and something felt off.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: And you didn't know at that point in time what you know now.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I guarantee you the next time that something feels off, there's gonna be red flags galore at the Tideman house because you've it you've experienced it now.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: You sort of know what to look for.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so, you know, it's gonna be different for everybody, but man, it's important to at least listen.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, you know, there's been some endurance stuff that I've been doing lately with my band, uh, playing like, you know, very strenuous three-hour gigs or practices.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: And as the drummer that's not in the best shape, um, not even close to it, there's some times when I feel something, I'll I'll swing at a cymbal and I'll feel something in my elbow that I've never felt before.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, man, I I gotta, I gotta tone it back for a couple of songs at least.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, I'm gonna throw that cymbal crash and the whole arm's gonna go.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I really need my right arm to finish this set.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: So listen to your body, I think is is the entire point that I'm just trying to belabor here, that Drew already made from very good experience, because man, uh it can be just seconds between life and death with this type of stuff.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like you said, they transported him to the hospital, and that's where he passed away.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: They might have thought they could save him right there when he hit the ground, but uh, unfortunately, that wasn't the case.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you you just gotta you gotta listen to that body, man.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: It'll tell you when things are wrong.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's it's one of those deals, too, where you collapse in a race like that, help gets to you pretty quickly.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: So he was probably in a pretty brutal situation.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: It also reminds me to remind others that you know, I think most of us are not up to up to snuff on CPR, yeah, and how you could save another person's life by knowing CPR.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it's one of those deals where you can't really Google it or you put a YouTube on when you're trying to save somebody's life.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's worth at least reviewing a video of compressions and breaths and and what it requires to bring somebody back.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because I just actually he came on here.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Brad Baines was on the show uh to talk about the pumpkin regatta, and he was saying his life was saved by his wife in the driveway, who crawled on top of him in a car and brought him back to life like a superhero.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll just be honest, I I he told that story to me, and I'm still not confident that I could do that without having to go back over a some sort of a document that gives me the details of what I need to do.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's the same thing um when years ago when my daughter was drowning in a pool, I didn't know how to save a two-year-old who's got water in their lungs.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: I just I never thought that that was gonna be something I needed to know.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: And and when you're trying to breathe life into somebody who's turned blue in the face, and thank God her lungs open back up and everything is fine, it's a helpless feeling to try and learn when you when you have seconds to figure it out.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope that you know this isn't for nothing for what he's gone through.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I just my heart breaks for his family and everyone else.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: But if you are related to, if you work with people who do endurance athlet athletics, I think it's worth talking to them about are you pushing yourself too far?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because there is a healthy lane in there, but there's also red flags where your body's like, I just we just can't do this.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I bet he trained like crazy ahead of time, but you would never think the unthinkable would happen.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you know, there's a lot of um professions out there that have to train for CPR on like a bi-yearly basis, or or you know, maybe once every few years they'll get a certification and it will expire.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: My wife, as a tattoo artist, is actually one.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: And what I've done, Drew, ever since, because I was CPR certified when I was a you know, a parasailboat captain, I was a wakeboard instructor.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like these are all times when you might actually have to pull somebody out of the water and pump on their chest.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so I for years I was CPR certified.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: And uh one thing I want to remind people here is that it changes.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: They're always working on that on that scenario and on that uh operation to try to make it better, make it more efficient, do less harm to the person that you're trying to save if you can do that.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so every time my wife comes back from her CPR certification class, I just ask her, hey, what changed about it from last time?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because I I come from the school of a breath and then compressions and then a breath and then compressions.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: And they don't even teach that anymore.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's just compressions now.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's just you get on that chest and you pump at the beats per minute of the song staying alive.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: We all remember that that scene from The Office when Dwight cuts the face off of the dummy.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's that is still kind of, it's I think it's like somewhere in the 120, 140 beats per minute.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: Ha, ha, ha, ha, you pump at the chest at that, and you will do at least a minimum amount of good for a person that has gone under something like that.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: But ask people that have taken the class.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't go on and watch a YouTube video, you don't want to go take the class yourself.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: They come out of them pretty well trained because it's not the most complicated thing.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: And maybe somebody in your life can just tell you, hey, this is what they taught me.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: This is how I would pass it along to you, then go do some research, and you can have at least a base level of knowledge if you get caught in a situation like what you did, which sounds terrifying.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's it's the weird thing about a small child is it's a totally different operation.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it's worth everybody.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: We doom scroll for so long, and we we watch a bunch of worthless videos that are in one ear and out the other.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's too much to ask to ask people to go and just that stay in alive thing alone.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: That'll stay with me.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I if I have nothing else, I'm just gonna be going, ha, ha, ha.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: It really is a good mnemonic device to remember what how fast you should be going because you're not gonna help somebody if you're just hammering on their chest like you're listening to a slayer song.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I I do believe, like as a parent, it is my responsibility to know how to get somebody's lungs to open up or to to give CPR to a child, because that's what I'm most likely to be around.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, your whole job is to protect people in your family, and there's nothing more helpless than when you can't help them.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: And in my scenario, when it happened, my daughter stopped breathing in a pool with no cell signal.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: So we were out at Camp Sherman near Black Butte on the Metolius River.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: One of the most beautiful places on earth went from heaven to hell in a moment, and somebody jumped up and like hopped a fence and ran.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: There was one phone in the built in the main building, and they ran and called 911, and they had off-duty paramedics and all this stuff.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like I had these two ladies show up in gardening clothes who had their buzzer had gone off, and they told me, they said, when we get a call that there's a child not breathing, we just sprint for the vehicle.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, bless their hearts for doing it.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's making my skin, my hair stand up on my arms, just the thought of it, you know.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it just shattered us, even though she did start, she started to breathe again before they actually arrived.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: And another mom was there, and she's like, Well, you got to turn her upside down to try and pop open that windpipe.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know what's going on.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it's crazy in that moment because you know, you're trying for a second, and then somebody else is feeling like if they're not helping, they're hurting.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so then, like, let me try, let me try.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's almost like hot potato, just like somebody saved my kid.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and I I just kick myself that I didn't understand exactly how to address that.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: But it's not always something that you would even think of.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we just looked over and she was in the shallow end, and she just like her eyes just got big and she just like kind of just like fell over in the water.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, if you pick her up and you're like talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, and there's nothing, and you just you panic so fast that if you don't have that information on how to do what you need to do, because really what the requirement should be is oh my god, my kid's not breathing, and then checklist boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: But I didn't.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: I I tried with everything that I had in the moment, but I lacked the education.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: And luckily that windpipe popped back open.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: And upon further, you know, investigation, this is something that happens more with children because they're not fully developed through that upper register.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but gosh, I will never forget that day.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it just it destroyed that day was so destroyed that you know everybody was just in this, it was this creepy, eerie, terrible mood.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: And we were in the middle of paradise.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: And we're supposed to be having like a barbecue, and it's just like, I'm gonna go sit on the porch alone.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was crazy, dude.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: The adrenaline dump that'll happen in a situation like that, especially if you don't have like a some food on your stomach, or maybe you've been, you know, you've had a couple of beers or something like that.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's that type of adrenaline dump has made me physically ill before.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like you and it's the the mental aspect of it, we're not even talking about.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: This is just a physical thing.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: Then you pile that mental strain on top of it, and yeah, uh, ruin a whole vacation for sure, but but thank God it turned out like it did.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I just want to say one thing about the people that showed up in gardening clothes when their buzzer went off, these on-call nurses.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I also think volunteer firefighters fall into this category.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: We're extremely lucky in this life to have some people that are um focused outside of themselves enough to do something like that.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you've ever been around an on-call nurse, um, or you know, three of my four high school football coaches were volunteer firefighters.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: We did not have a fire, uh, like a fire squad in Enterprise.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: The entire fire station was made up of volunteers.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: So when Jim Bob's house caught on fire out in the back 40 and it's going to catch the barn and the rest of the ranch on fire, my football coaches would take off running off the field and go right to the vehicles, like you're like these nurses told you.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I gotta tell you, in small rural places throughout the Pacific Northwest, without people like that, it would be a much, much darker place because a lot of our services are made up by volunteers or on-call people that have other things going on in their life that are willing to drop every bit of it and run to try to help other people.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I think that's amazing.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: And just a shout-out to first responders in general.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care if you're cops, uh, you know, fire department, nurses, EMTs, all of you, um, you make a big difference in the day.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I just want to take a moment to say, well, we thank you and we appreciate that because who knows where we'd be without them, Drew.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it it is so incredible.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it can be a thankless job, but they deserve all the praise in the world.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: And to volunteer also, you're not doing it for income.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: You're doing it to be a good person.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: So my hat goes off to them every time for that.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm lucky that they were there to even check on my daughter, even though she had started to breathe again.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: I want to know do we need to go to the hospital?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is going on here?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is there any permanent damage?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, luckily for me, it's just a scary story to tell at this point.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: And she's fine, dropped her off at school today, as sassy and wild as ever.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that's exactly the way I'd love it.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, I could not say thank you enough to those people and everyone in every small town or wherever it is who volunteers their time and is available when tragedy strikes.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks a lot, Marcus, for joining me.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, brand new episodes every Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday of the PW Podcast.
• 36:58
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• 37:01
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• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Have a great rest of your day, Marcus.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: You two, but we'll talk to you soon.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.