Latest / Cosmic Peach / THROWBACK THURSDAY! (Scott Peterson Did NOT Do it! (Feat. Colby & JJ Vance)

Transcript

THROWBACK THURSDAY! (Scott Peterson Did NOT Do it! (Feat. Colby & JJ Vance) · Cosmic Peach

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Throwback Thursday. So these are some of the
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: oldies but goodies, the classics, and they are some of
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: the episodes that are probably in the back of the
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: catalog that you haven't managed to listen to yet. So
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: just a warning, some of my thoughts, feelings, opinions may
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: have changed since the recordings of these episodes. Doesn't make
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: them any less interesting. So as an evolving human being,
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: I may say something in these episodes that I don't
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: necessarily agree with today, but these episodes are the classics,
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: and I just thought I would do a little something
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: fun for us. So welcome and enjoy Throwback Thursday.
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: Not Bill Kobe and Julie the Cosmic Peach. I appreciate
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: y'all joining me for a swapcast operation Conspiracy playtime. Cosic
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: Peach would triple swapcast.
• 1:38
  Speaker 3: It's where the Dream Team.
• 1:39
  Speaker 4: This is a conspiracy three way.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: Oh I like that one.
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: There you go, Conspiracy three way.
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: You know, the Innocence project here and the matters of
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: the case of Scott Peterson and the death of his
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: wife an unborn child. You know, a lot of is
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: the is the topic we're talking about here tonight, right
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson went to got convicted.
• 2:04
  Speaker 4: What well, I think the murder went down in two
• 2:10
  Speaker 4: thousand and two and then they drug it out. I
• 2:14
  Speaker 4: think it was two thousand and five when the verdict
• 2:16
  Speaker 4: was announced. I could be wrong about that, that's just
• 2:18
  Speaker 4: memory shit.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: I think you are correct. So it is December twenty four,
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two was the alleged date. And I want
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: to stress alleged date because when they started off the trial,
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: the alleged date of the murder was the twenty sixth,
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: so which is funny. They we see over the prosecute
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: that I would again, I would assert Scott Peterson did
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: not do it. The evidence asserts the same. There's no
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: evidence against the man, but we see a lot of
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: the same parallels between this case and many other cover
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: ups and cases.
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: So I actually want to start off this episode by saying,
• 2:52
  Speaker 3: much like in the OJ episode, you guys are gonna
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: have to sell it to me, because I think there's
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: three camps that you can be in. Scott Peterson did it.
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: He's innocent, but and he was set up to make
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: it look like he did it or Lacy was never
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: a real person, and this is all just a theater show.
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: There's three, all right.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard of that one, ma'am. So let's start
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: with the theater.
• 3:20
  Speaker 4: Came to that all on your own too.
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, and I have a couple of pieces of evidence.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: To me, I'm not against that at all. I liked,
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like all these kind of ideas whatever,
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: whatever works best for But what are the known facts
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: we can establish? When the known facts we can established
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: that Scott Peterson did not do it. The case is
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: fabricated in every regard. So and we we can establish
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: that much, well, then what else is fictional? Right? Where
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: does the magic in?
• 3:43
  Speaker 4: It's really just two camps. It's this is a real story,
• 3:46
  Speaker 4: and there's a narrative going on, and he's either innocent
• 3:49
  Speaker 4: or guilty or yeah, it's just fucking bullshit.
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: I think he did it.
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: If it is a common denominator, if you if you may,
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: I think he didn't do it.
• 3:57
  Speaker 4: If it's real, I think he did do it. We'll
• 3:59
  Speaker 4: start off by letting everybody know that Juju is going
• 4:02
  Speaker 4: to be teamed up on here.
• 4:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's two against one, and that's fine because I
• 4:07
  Speaker 3: told JJ when we did the OJ show that I
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: thought he did it.
• 4:12
  Speaker 4: Well, I find it interesting.
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what he started the OJ show, and
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: I keep getting a requests from more oj M. Dude,
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: I never not the drink, but more analysis on the case.
• 4:23
  Speaker 4: I never. I never told you this, but years ago
• 4:26
  Speaker 4: I heard you talking about Idaho four with Nick and
• 4:30
  Speaker 4: you mentioned the OJ thing, and I told Nick, Hey, dude,
• 4:33
  Speaker 4: could you like set me up with that JJ guy,
• 4:35
  Speaker 4: I want to do a thing about OJ. And for
• 4:38
  Speaker 4: years he just like, oh, I'll talk to him. Oh
• 4:40
  Speaker 4: I talked to him. He said he's down. Oh, we'll
• 4:42
  Speaker 4: set it up. So anyway, I thought that was really
• 4:44
  Speaker 4: cool to see you and heard do it because she
• 4:47
  Speaker 4: came at it from the angle of thinking the narrative,
• 4:51
  Speaker 4: the official narrative is real. But I find it interesting.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: I don't mean to talk shit, but this is the
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: first time I've ever hearing of any request to speak.
• 5:00
  Speaker 4: I know that now, trust me, I figured that out.
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: But it's because I just want to let you know
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: I was by no means ignore anything.
• 5:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, no, no, no, no, this is not this is
• 5:09
  Speaker 4: just it finally happened, and you did it with her,
• 5:12
  Speaker 4: and it's a way better show than ours would have been,
• 5:14
  Speaker 4: probably because I thought you did it, so then she
• 5:18
  Speaker 4: brought her same thing, her same conclusion to this. So
• 5:22
  Speaker 4: I just find it interesting that as a conspiracy theorist
• 5:24
  Speaker 4: when it comes to true crime Ship Julia just watches
• 5:27
  Speaker 4: the the documentaries.
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: The because I'm going off the information provided.
• 5:33
  Speaker 4: But like with.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: If I made it to be fair, they're very compelling
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: Magic Ship. Well, he looks financed, well organized, well perpetrated. Yeah,
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: for sure, for sure, and they do a good job.
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: I mean again, it's hard to defend a scumbag, right,
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: I mean again, let's be honest with you. Scott Peterson's
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: kind of a scum bag.
• 5:54
  Speaker 4: And that was the defense Derek has said ship like that, defending.
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: It you got you gotta recognize the fact. I do
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: agree with Garry Gohos in that regard. If you want
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: to try to he's gotten shit over there. He's that
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: clip I have. He's still defending Scott Peterson today. So
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: he's always defended Scott Peterson. And some pop folks have
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: said he did it in the wrong way. I don't
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: think so. He was up against a fucking mountain, you know.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: And it's the same thing with Brian Coberger. The media
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: convict him nothing in the courtroom. Did you know so?
• 6:23
  Speaker 4: I think Gary Goes actually, in my opinion, was in
• 6:27
  Speaker 4: on the Scott Peterson setup because he ignored key fucking witnesses,
• 6:32
  Speaker 4: He ignored stuff that went on with the cadaver dogs.
• 6:36
  Speaker 4: He could have admitted a lot of stuff in his
• 6:38
  Speaker 4: defense that would amit Scott look a lot more innocent,
• 6:40
  Speaker 4: and he didn't.
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: You make a fantastic argument, sir. I'm in the same
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: That's where I say, we all of the things you
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: all have said so far about this case, I sit
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: on in that same position with IDO four. I can't
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: confirm these people are actually dead. There's no record of
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: any of the desk with any outside of what law
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: enforcement's provenly lied across the special activities and said. There's
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: no independent, verifiable evidence of their deaths. There's no probate
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: court cases for their estates to set all their debts.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: And you know, you know their moneys, which they did
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: have properties that's documented, so like vehicles and whatnot, So
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: that's weird. There's no regul there's no burials, there's no funerals.
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: They were all four victims were legedly cremated. There's no
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: photographs or videos of anyone taking bodies out of the house.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: There's no there's all the evidence of the crime. Photos
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: now do not comport with the video or the written
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: reports that do not comport with the nine one one call,
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: the lead nine one one call that's not official, that's
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: still never beneficially out. So we see all this magic
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: show that goes on in a lot of distractions. I
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: said the same way in this case, though I did
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: with that one is you know, defense Attorney Anne Taylor
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: did not She She did a great job in many respects,
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: one much like I say about Garry Goez. But yeah,
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of holes there, man, there's a lot
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: of holes there.
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: I kind of want to walk through the timeline and
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you as the timeline unfolds why
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: I think he's guilty, and you can just debate me
• 7:59
  Speaker 3: and tell me how wrong I am.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: But that's a great way to do it. Is I
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: like that and worked out well with the OJ stuff too, ma'am.
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think as the story progresses, in my opinion,
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: he just looks more and more and more and more guilty.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: So are you gonna I don't disagree. He didn't do
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: himself any favors and if I want to, if I
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: may kick it off on that note, So let's imagine
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: the scenario where this dude did not do it right,
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: which is again all the evidence supports that none of
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: the evidence of the state provided, even the fictional shit,
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: really provides any sort of anything better than what would
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: be described as circumstantial evidence. And even that doesn't fit
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: the chronology of events that he was we know where
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson was, like, they just squeezed stuff in there
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: and ignored known facts of where his locations were on
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: that day that they alleged that the murders occurred on
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: the twenty fourth, because after the trial began, they argued
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: in the opening statement the murders occurred on the twenty sixth.
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: They moved this ship back during the trail, not during
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: the investigation.
• 8:58
  Speaker 4: So I know why they did that too, sir. I
• 9:02
  Speaker 4: think I know why they did that. Why is that
• 9:05
  Speaker 4: because the timeline with the Medina robbery did not fit
• 9:10
  Speaker 4: the timeframe And they even fucking said first those two
• 9:13
  Speaker 4: guys said, you know, they they didn't deny doing the robbery,
• 9:16
  Speaker 4: and then they said they did it on the twenty seventh,
• 9:18
  Speaker 4: and they were like, well, the Medinas were home from
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: their Christmas trip like late the twenty sixth or early
• 9:24
  Speaker 4: the twenty seventh, so you couldn't have robbed. And they're like, oh, no,
• 9:27
  Speaker 4: we did it on the twenty sixth, and then the
• 9:29
  Speaker 4: official story became, Yeah, there's fucking camera crews all that
• 9:35
  Speaker 4: shit going on on the twenty sixth. Why would they
• 9:37
  Speaker 4: be across the house robbing it. So they had it's
• 9:39
  Speaker 4: like they hadn't gotten their story straight. And I didn't
• 9:42
  Speaker 4: even know that they did that in the opening statement.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: So that's exactly mean, that's exactly what went on there. Yeah,
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: and if you look at the rest of the details
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: and how they even got to that point, it's ridiculous.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: So it is the street, the howm across the street
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: got robbed, and those guys were apparently suspects at some
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: point in time. There's two robbers, and one of them
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: made statements about her interacting with her Lacy Peterson while
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: you know, in the course of that robbery on a
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: on a jail phone call, and then they.
• 10:11
  Speaker 4: The same thing.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: I don't have that anymore.
• 10:12
  Speaker 4: The lieutenant of the correctional facility called the prosecutor and
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: the cops and the defense I don't know did they
• 10:19
  Speaker 4: call the defense on that one. I might be mixing
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: it up, but I think he did. And they all
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: he said, yeah, I have these two brothers in here,
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: Scott and something tempering to Temperington or some ship.
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: The other guy's name is Scott too, I think, I.
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: Think so, the two the Burlers.
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: No, these two brothers in this correctional facility. There was
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: a phone call between two brothers. One of those guys
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: was like Scott temp Temperton or Tempington, I don't remember now,
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: but and he they what's that?
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah? But they just they just destroyed. They recognized that
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: she was talked about in that conversation. But who knows
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: where the where the tape went.
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: But I have a problem with this because his alibi
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: for it went down on the twenty fourth, Right, officially
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: the twenty fourth.
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: Well that's that's well, that's their statement. But before we
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: get there, they and doing so in the state Achie.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: Even going back to the twenty fourth, they ignored the
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: ten eyewitness statements over the standard route of her travel
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: of walking your dog after she had breakfast on the
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: twenty fourth, w Scott and her husband and he's accounted
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: for during that time afterwards, Again, the chronology of events,
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: it never fits. There's nothing imports in their in their
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: and their uh and their claims. But they have ten
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: eyewitness statements claiming they all saw the Lacy Peterson walking
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: that dog.
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: See, So okay, why did he tell everybody? Why did
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: he tell everybody that he went golfing and then later
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: it told everybody that he went fishing.
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll get to that in a second. That's a
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: good question because again the guy's scumbag was she is
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: eight eight months pregnant wife.
• 11:58
  Speaker 4: That's my thing is he probably was fucking around.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: Do you think that was the only girl he was begging?
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: He admitted later on that it wasn't. I don't know
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: if he if he meant at the same time, but
• 12:11
  Speaker 4: he said there there had been others, and he didn't
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: really specify as far as I know what that meant.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: There was evidence of others again he admitted. So again
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: the state focused on that Amber friolated because they need
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: to focus on his upset, his alleged obsession with her,
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: of which there was no evidence of that. So, but
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: to the fact that if the murder did occur on
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: the twenty fourth, you'd have to ignore, and the state
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: did to an eyewitness accounts of normally seeing Lacy Peterson
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: walking her dog on a normal route. The dogs later
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: found on its leash.
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: Outside by name fucking buddy.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, so if Scott Peterson kills her, then
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: how do you have to count for the dog and
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: these eyewitness statements, and then you have to count for
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: her going home after that? And the forensic data of her.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: Their computer showed search results for sunflower dresses or something
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: like that, which is something she was a big everything
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: with sunflowers. With Lacy Peterson. Somebody was searching sunflower dresses
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: with sunflower patterns on it, you know, at like one
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon on the twenty four. So then
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: you have her on that one during the time of
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: that robbery. Right.
• 13:12
  Speaker 4: Do you know how they explained that one away?
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: I think they just ignored it because.
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: Why did he lie about going to the golf court.
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: I have a theory on all of it where I
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: think it makes perfect sense what Scott was up to
• 13:26
  Speaker 4: and why he lied, and why he knew his wife
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: was either missing or dead, and.
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: Why like that they said Lacy had a doctor's note
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: that she was supposed to be on bedrest, that she
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: should not have been walking the dog that day because
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: she was having fainting spells.
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: Well, regardless of all that, we will talk about that.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: I think Scott Peterson, he was working for this fertilizer
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: company that opened up a new thing and they were
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: selling androgynists hydroxide, and Scott had some neo Nazi witnesses
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: come forward and talk about conversations. It looked like his
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: parents were laundering money through the kids.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's unpack that for a moment, sir. We're
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: dealing with this with a case in meth Desto, California,
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: the meth capital of America. Methem fati mean is one
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: of the primary products is what you just identified and
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: the production and manufacturer meth. You need those chemicals in
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: that fertilizer, Yes, and you're right. His father got him
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: hooked into these things. And his father and mother run
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: an interesting import export business out of San Diego.
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: And they're buying their kids. One of them, like what
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: his one of his half brothers is basically a retard,
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: and they were buying and that's the one whose idea
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: he had, I believe, And they were buying these kids,
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: homes and then switching whose names the mortgages were on
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: in very odd ways. And then you got to account
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: for the fact that all these people he's running with,
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: he's going to Fresno a lot. I think Scott Peterson
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: got he pissed the wrong fucking people off, and they
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: fucking gave him a choice and he opted out and
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: they killed his fucking wife and kid. If this is real,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: that's what I think.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I think you're honest on the Serta. I think that's
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: that's certainly. I'm not exactly in the complete agreement with
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: your assessment, but your general assessment, I am if there's
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: something going on here. If it did happen for real,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: he pissed somebody off and drugs were involved in the
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: maths productions, and he's white nationalists you're talking about, that's
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: a major epicenter in activity. There were all that dating
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: back to the manson Ara when he was running meth
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: with the Hell's Angels through that region.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's all the same playbook there.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: And I think it's the same network.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: Julia. Yes, Julia talks about how there's this note from
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: the doctor and all this stuff, and that's maybe true.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: But speaking of the baby, people have pointed out that
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: that she would have been thirty one weeks along when
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: this happened, and they find like a pristine looking newborn
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: then they find her body. Now they said the baby
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: was like thirty six to thirty seven weeks They said, no,
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: eight weeks that's what. Yes, but how far along was
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: she when this kidnapping or whatever went down. She was
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: thirty one weeks long, that is true.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Let's put a pin on that, because that's the forensics
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: that everyone ignored. So there was some distinct differences in
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: decomposition between the alleged torso that's what they found and
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: then they would later claim was DNA through blood and
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: DNA they proved that was that was Lacy Peterson's torsos,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: that it came up from the water, allegedly anchored down
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: by some concrete anchors built by her husband. Allegedly again
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: not proven. But the baby, yeah, it seemed to be
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: having to actually have been given birth at some point
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: and been lived longer than its mother.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I was trying to talk to her about
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: this last night because it just it gives a lot
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: of credence to the fact that she was held longer,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, didn't find her body till April and the like, Yeah,
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: the ocean is unforgiving. And then she's missing extremities in
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: most of her organs. Never found her head. Now, that
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: looks to me like that's not something the ocean did.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: She was part of a ritual, part of what they
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: wanted us to believe happened to Sharon Tate kind of thing.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: And maybe the child was kept alight and killed a
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: later day and thrown in and then she always when
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: we were talking about this last night, she brings up, well,
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: why why would he have been at that bay? And
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: I said, of course, if the people see, that's what
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: people are going to believe, that's where they're gonna dump.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: The body is where they where he said he was,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: So it doesn't make him look guilty.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Actually, so everyone needs that against them in Sandy Coburger.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: If you have no evidence, that's evidence against them. And
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: if you don't, if you have evidence of him being somewhere,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: well then we'll pen we'll put the evidence in that area.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: So everyone knew he said he from day no one.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: He never lied to law enforcement about any of his
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: activities outside of this claim of the fishing and the
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: golfing thing the Jowys mentioned. I do think that's the
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: most interesting portions of his tail, because the rest of
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: his chronology of events to law enforcement, he's not a
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: good liar. It's proven to not be a good liar.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: The only thing because he tried to lie, the only
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: thing you know, to try to lie about to law
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: enforcement was his affair, and they quickly found that out.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: And then to me, the anchor thing. I think he
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: may have been dumping product or something for these fucking people.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Dude, you have well, first of all,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: so you have in the production of Mathema vetomanes. You
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: have with all these chemicals. I've never made math, I've
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: never even seen breaking bad but brought to us by
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: one of Charles Manson's friends, Brian Cranston, friends with Charles Manson.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: His word's not mine, they knew each other anyhow. Yeah, Strangely,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: why is it always Manson's buddy's bringing, always always processed
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: fuckers bringing us all this degradation to society. Weird, right,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: So the there's a lot of byproduct, so they have
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: to do something with that. You can't just go throw
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: it and you know in a ways you gotta have
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you know, where'd you get all his chemicals you're dumping? Oh,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I make meth at home, you know. I mean you
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: got to do something with it. So what's a great
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: way to do it? Build some concrete anchors, go through
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: it in the ocean to one of your dudes who's
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: out there fishing every week or something like that, because
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the guy is a big fisherman. His first day with
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Lacy Peterson was fishing. Who takes I'm a big fisherman.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I'm living a van down by the river I live.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I'm a fucking mountain man. I've never taken my first
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: day in it. Why. I mean, I was married for
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: seventeen years, but never did my first day in into
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: to fishing.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: But he didn't have the boat. He bought the boat
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: the day he told Amber Fry that his wife was dead.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: So he's but why tell us my wife is dead?
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: And then we are not we are not debating whether
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: or not Scott Peterson was a scumbag liar. We all
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: know that. But what was he trying to cover up
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: with his life.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Before December ninth? What?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: What?
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: How do you explain? What was he you saying he
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: bought the boat on December ninth because he was dumping drugs.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: He was always fishing, he was renting. So let's let's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: unpack evers, and let's also note that to his father,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: his father's went and got him this job again. And
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: let's also note that according for whatever reason, I don't know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: so the state try to pretend like this, this identity
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: that Scott Peterson had created for himself with Amber Fry
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: on those recordings that they had her do right, which
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: he again was very apologetic to her for lying, et cetera,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: et cetera. You know what I mean. So there's a
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: lot of things that we said about his behavior there
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: that doesn't really yield to appoint to him being guilty,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: but it was framed that way, and they were framing
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: as an obsession with this lady. And again he, by
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: his own admission, was bang the other ladies. He has
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: a scumbag, But that is what I mean. So what
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: other scumbag activities into So he's he's always fishing, so
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: he's renting boats, he's doing these other things. He's going
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: to Cairo, he's going to, uh, give me one second.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: My dog's are getting outrageous. Give me one second. Oh yeah,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: So you know, when we're trying to parse out with
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson, did or did not do here? I mean
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: he's obviously hiding since again what is he hiding? Right?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: What activities was he into? What was he doing on
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: on these fishing trips. Why is a fertilizer salesman who
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: became the top fertilizer salesman for that company, a company
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that's out of Spain. I believe it is, if I'm
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: not mistaken or ask some weird European connections. And Peterson's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: going to Cairo, He's going to Belgium, He's going to
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: There's not a far off destination that he's going to,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Hey go, there's not a far off destinations going to.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: What where's he going through these times that the state
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: would later claim that he's lying to amber Fry about
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: being this jet center up. No, he's really going to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: those places. He just wasn't there at the time he
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: was telling amber Fry he.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Was there, haaris. Yeah, but it's worth note the androgynists
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: hydroxide is an ineffective and more expensive fertilizer than what's
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: on the market for farmers in the area. Yeah, he's
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: a top salesman. Who's he selling this shit to? I
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: want to see you on that ship because yes, this guy,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: I'll just say, he's he's got some corn pop qualities
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: to him. He's a bad dude and he's hanging he's
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: running with some bad boys. So those bad boys definitely
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: are behind this in my opinion, and the evidence of
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: the fetus and the I think they turned him over
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: to the process or whoever else is fucking running satanic
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: rituals in that area. I mean, this is the area.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And they were also searching fresh waterways in the foothills
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: of the Sierras and made me think of all these
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: fucking programmed to kill people that Julia is talking about.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: That's like, probably why they were looking up there is
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: because maybe that is where it happened places like that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: And why were they searching just anywhere where there's water.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Scott could have been fishing or dumping bodies.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, but can.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good question. It begs the question
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: what else was going on that they were looking for? Right?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: But all right, all right, let me back it up
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: just a little bit. Okay, just backing up a little bit.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: The day that she supposedly went missing, right, he if
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: he didn't do it himself, he knew she was already
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: fucking dead or that she was about to be fucking down.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: That was part of my argument.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: He comes home, he does a load of laundry for himself,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: he eats a piece of pizza, he takes a shower,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: He's moseying around the house. Then he calls her mom
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and was like, Hey, if Lacy's not over there, I guess.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: She's missing, which is when the nonchalant is fat, which
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: is when the reported nine to one one call was
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: made by her stepfather. Yeah, I think all that can track.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Scott did not look like he was in mourning. He
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: was a poor an addict. He was a sex addict,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: and he kept that shit going after all this went down. Yeah,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: he doesn't do himself any favors. And yeah, this is
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: not about.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: What he knew was going on. Right, they all knew
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: something was going on. The media frame he was trying
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to go to Mexico. He may have been, we don't
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: know for sure. But when he dyed his hair and
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: had his brother's driver's license, all those things, camping equipment,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and his mother boughtom a car et cetera. Where's the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: deal the whole family knew they were in that he
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: was in some shit. Because the whole family's involved in
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: some shit, it seems right. So we look after the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: like a cult, like a process style cult ride dealing drugs,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: like just like that same area with the Hell's Angels
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: and Charles Manson with a modesto for decades earlier. We're
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: to assume that's an extension of a similar network or
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: same network. We're going to see the same activities and patterns,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and we do so. The fact that we see the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: family doing all these things, they're helping him hide something.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: They've all maintained his innocence, so it would indicate they
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: all know something. He indicate he knew something. He knew
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: and he knew that he was involved in the shit.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's not easy to get, right.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Fifteen thousand in cash, well, not by your normal means.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: But also he didn't have money on record. He was
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: fucking up to his eyeballs in debt, That's what I'm saying.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: And he was wealthy, but it wasn't on paper because
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: it couldn't be.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: So that you're saying, that's where the fifteen thousand in
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: cash came from.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: This guy's traveling around buying new shit. They were not
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: a product of wealth. Her parents had some money, yeah,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: but not a.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Lot of fifteen thousand in cash.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Right with that narrative that you're presenting, how do you
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: account for the fifteen k.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, if he's got this money and he's not
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: the one who did it, he knew from fucking Jump
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Street she was dead.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: That tracks with what I'm trying to you guys read
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's what I agree. So have you guys
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: either read or seen Gone Girl? Yeah? Do you know
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: what I think? This guy looks like Ben Affleck?
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah he does.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: When I watched Gone Girl, I kept thinking of this
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: case me too. I was like, wait a minute, what
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: is David Fincher, director of Hollywood, CIA heard saying. Because
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: it's always David Fincher. He gave us the social network,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: he gives us these cut and dry fucking He used
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: to be a great filmmaker. Now he makes propaganda. And
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I think that that Gone Girl was another nod to
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Scott Peterson.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Zodiac was kind of propaganda.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I think so too.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Zodiac's very propaganda. I think it's total great movie too.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I loved the movie. But it's just a story.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: It's not it's a good story.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: They told us it's a fanciful tale, right, brought to
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: us by Robert Smith, not Robert gray Smith. His name
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: is Roberts gray Smith, the third. His father was the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: US Air Force colonel.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Did he sing in the band The Cure.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Right? The Uh? Well here let's look at these details though.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So he's lying about going on a fishing trip because
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: they doesn't want people to know he bought this secret boat.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want people knows he got the secret boat
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: because he's umping drug stuff and you know for other
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: parties in the ocean, is what we're saying, right Colby.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and why why the homemade anchors? If you just
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: killed your wife, you're gonna make an anchor, you'd go
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: buy a fuck.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: He lied about the anchors.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: He lied about it because of what he was really doing.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: He didn't want to go down for a.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Good About the concrete, he said, he about the concrete
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: for his driveway. But you're not gonna tell no, I'm
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: buying the concrete to build these anchors, saying drug. You know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you know, the the byproduct of drug drug manufacturer.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: He's such a sitting duck for a setup.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: He also said that when he went fishing that morning,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: that he was using some type of silver lure.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: At first, he didn't know what he was using, if
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: you if you listen to the cops, and then he
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: lied because apparently they were talking about sturgeon fishing at
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: one point. I mean, they focused a way too much
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: on that because obviously this guy's a liar.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: He makes himself look like dog shit because he.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Couldn't have made himself look any guilty. Or we're on
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: the same page.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Let's agree he's a liar. Let's agree that he made
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: a bunch of he did lie a couple of times
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: in the police But the overwhelming narrative is chronology events
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that they you know, what location he was at. He
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: was still doing an activity. He didn't go golfing because he's
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: dumping drug stuff, probably.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Right, he had to have a cover story for what
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: he was doing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Right, right, So, But in investigating that, they never put
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: him in any place to put him in the fundamental
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: aspect of an investigation homicide, specifically, you got you gotta
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: find your suspect has to have a nexus point with
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: both the victim and the crime scene. They never found
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a crime scene and nexus point or even a weapon.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, they completely tried him in the court of public
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: onion with circumstantial evidence that looks horrible. There's no fucking
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: way they could have gotten a fair jury in this trial.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: There is no fucking way they couldn't have moved it
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: to the moon.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Well, and on top of it, that just made up
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: out right. Look, look, let's look at this stuff. With
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the boat, so he would he did to go fishing,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: he went on the water. That was later proven. They
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: they used a sniffer dog, a bloodhound that was not certified,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that failed at certifications, and they gave it an item
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: of clothing that had both Lacey and Scott's sent on it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: And then they claimed that it tracked Lacey down a
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: pier where she was then taken into the water, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: then they should attractor in his warehouse. Yeah, but that
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: dog was tracking a scent item that also had Scott's
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: sent on it, and nonetheless it also had failed its certifications,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and that now that was approved. They they brought that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: argument up and try but again no one was going
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to listen to that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they they were. It was on record that this
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: dog and I find this number funny. I was telling
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Julia last night he was wrong sixty six percent of
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: the time. So knowing that and knowing all the witness
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: testimony that's left out of this trial, if you look
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: at the circumstantial evidence and you look at the stuff
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: that wasn't admitted, that would make him look even like
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: there's a possibility of his innocence. Yeah, this was he
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: was railroad.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: So are you saying that him dumping the drugs in
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: his boat is the reason why weeks prior to her missing.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Well, he's not dumping drugs. First of all, he's he
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: is he is the guy, the chemical guy, and so
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: he had to get rid of that shit.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Like JJ was saying, chemicals, he dumped the byproduct, right,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: That's how I look at it. Ahead.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I was just gonna say, is that why?
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Right prior to her missing? Uh, he was researching tides?
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm. He's dumping something. He's not dumping the body though.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: He looks guilty if you know the mainstream, but you
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: don't know what this guy was really up to. Yeah,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: he looks guilty.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: If we're going along with the gone girl narrative though,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: do you think the body that they found was even
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: It's a little nod in a wink. I don't know
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: exactly ahead this was.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Didn't find legs, arms. All they found was like tits
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: in a stomach.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that shit was fucking sacrificed to Moloch.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: We'll never find the head, Okay, But I'm saying like
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: or begs the question that Joyde answer your question.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: It begs the question when they do present later forendsic
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: evidence claiming they did DNA testing and confirm it was
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Lacy and Connor right, the baby and the mother are
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: there the bodies they located the torso and then the baby. Well,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: we to believe them when they've lied so many other
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: times across the case.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: So you're saying that might not have even been.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'd like, you know, once again, once they
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: lie so many times, man, it's hard to believe them
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: when they make that. When they made that conclusion. Later,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: you know, when we we can point to things that
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: they demonstrated me a lot about and then the state
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: would not you know, obfuscated items from the defense. For example,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: there was much like the coburger defense or the case
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the Coburger's defense requested twenty four times for discovery. In fact,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: recently they just found out that they proved in a
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: most more recent filing even after the guilty plea here
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: that the state demonstrably withheld discovery claiming they didn't have
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it when they did in fact testified under oath that
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: they did have it later. So these things are relevant
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: in the Peterson situation. So the State of California hands
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: over discovery de Mark Errgos after Peterson the day after
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: or the day of maybe Peterson signs that guilty plea.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: So and these matters that are constantly hiding these things,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: we look at the authorities doing this. Let me let
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: me look. Let me bring you up another case that
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: this case reminds me of. So this guy just got
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: denied parole. He got fifteen years alive for the murder
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: of his wife here in Ohio back in two thousand
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and eighty Ryan Whidber.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Right, God damn, just looking at him.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: So there was no evidence in this case. His wife
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: died in the bathtub. He had a very suspect to her.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: He was also cheating on his wife, I believe, or
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: at least trying to maybe like a dating profile or something.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe who knows, I remember that precise of me. He
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: was actually falling through here trying to. But nonetheless, there
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: was infidelity and there was no evidence saying she had
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: a medical condition. And the claim was that she had
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: that medical condition of the seizure and died in drowning
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: in her bathtub while he was downstairs watching TV. And
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: again there was no evidence that he drowned her. Again
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: they based it was a purely on this guy's scombag
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: and etc. Etc. The lead detective in this guy sits
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: in prison. He just got to night parole just a
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: month ago. The judge in this case is the same
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: judge that convicted him, was the same judge in the
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: appeals court that denied all of his appeals. That should
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: be noted because again this is a framework I think
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: when we have these very high profile incidents. There's been
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: so many date lines and forty eight hours about this case.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: This happened in Cincinnati again back in two thousand and eight.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: The detective, the lead detective, was not even a credential
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: law enforcement officer, let alone a fucking detective. He had
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: fraudulently created a resume to get hired by that department
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: was a suburban department north of Cincinnati, a township department.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: He had fraudulently applied and filled out in resume saying
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: he was a you know, law enforcement officer. Apparently no
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: one checks these things. I guess you can just claim
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: your detective and they hire you. And then he gets
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: assigned about six months LA to that case, and fucking
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: he gets found out later by the defense and and
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: argued a trial that this, this entire thing is to
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: get thrown out. This guy's not even a fucking cop,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: let alone a detective. He's a fraudster. And they convicted
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: the man anyway. So we see a lot of times
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: where these details just simply don't matter in high profile cases.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I think it's important to take and look at some
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: of these high profile cases and see the comparisons though,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: and how they ignore evidence and how they then present
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: the stuff in the media. And we see the same
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: kind of deal with Scott Peterson. We just saw Ryan
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Widber there that he was he was a cheating husband,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: so it was an easy guy to blame in the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: media and then twist things, right.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Have you heard of the Chris Watts case?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you get a lot of messages to look
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: into that.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Well. I don't whether that guy's guilty or not. What
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: I do know is that they use sam exact script
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: almost to a t. The only difference is the kids
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: were alive.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: That so uh retired grat Falls Police Police Department, Ray Falls,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Montana Police Department detective John Cameron, who wrote the seminal
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: study on Edward Wayne Edwards, the serial killer you've probably
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: never heard of. He asserts a large spectrum of murders
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: that Edward Wayneedwards is responsible for. I assert he's onto something,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: but adds like the general in a Hand of Death cult,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you know, like his buddy owedis tool that he knew right.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: He claims of being part of the Hand of Death cult.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: So in that regard, Cameron attributes these murders to ed
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Now he also attributes the Chris Watts murders Dad. So
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: when you're saying the same playbook, he's in communicator. He's
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: trying to John Cameron has done interviews in recent you know,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: he hasn't been interviewed about six years because he's seven
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: years now. I've been trying to get him on the podcast.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: We've been in communications, but he seems to have been
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: threatened a lot. I think, are harassed or both. But
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: you know, because he's our ongoing enterprises in my in
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: my assertion, in my analysis and whatnot, and you know
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: he's he's been in contact with Wayne Williams defense, Chris
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Watts defense. This guy's trying to tell folks that these
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: people have been framed using the same the same playbook.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: He's saying, it's the ED playbook. I think he's onto something.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I think Ed was in charge of that playbook.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: And it's an older playbook too somebody else, and it's.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: A very CIA chaos playbook because Ed's documented to be
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: part of the CIA Project Chaos stuff like.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Ed and Ted.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: So you're thinking that's what happened with Lacey.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking it was not something that could just coincidentally
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: have happened. And it's not fucking tied to all this
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: stuff that we do know went on, and that's area
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: for decades and it doesn't even matter because what.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: It still goes on today.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Right, So, I don't know what was your question.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: You think that this this is like a blueprint. Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I think that if blame the husband and from him,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: If the late great David McGowan hadn't met his demise. However,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: that may have happened, that he would have got onto
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: this stuff and he would have continued his program to
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: kill work, and he would have pointed out these networks
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: because it's the same fucking thing.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to think of other stuff that people
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: bring up about the case that makes him look guilty.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, there's there's loads of it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I mean sites Amber Fry, which they love to point
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: out about that he would say stuff like, oh, I'm
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: not I haven't even been in the nursery. I can't
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: even stand to look at it. And then when they
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: served the second search warrant, they found that he took
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: all the baby stuff out.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he turned into storage.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Then he sold her car, he put the house up
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: for sale. This does not this is this is not
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: a man. This guy is pregnant white.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: He probably already grieved before the press even knew any
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: of this has happened. And I think that this guy
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: was in bug out mode. He's waiting for this ship
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: to die down. If it's going to he's gonna fucking
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: get out.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: And he tried to old family knows shit. Shit, shit
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is hit the fan. Yeah, they're probably for their lives.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: They don't know, they don't know where it's gonna end,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: and they.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Don't know that if Scott goes down that he's not
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: gonna fucking talk. They probably wake up every morning going
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: is today the day this Scott really says what happened
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: and implicates all of us.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And that's probably part of it too. Man. So let's
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: look at something. I'm gonna answer both of your all
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: his points there if I may, And let's look at
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: some of the chronology of events here. So you know, uh,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: he for example, he was renting cars and going to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the bay when they were doing these searches. Well, he
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: didn't want to go there in his own car. I mean,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: obviously it looks suspicious. But at the same time, you know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: he knows they're trying to I mean, if you know
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: you're trying to frame I'm prop up my mind in
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: his mind, my brain, hold his brain, how if you will,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And if they're trying to frame him, well, he's want
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to go to see what's going on over there. He's
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: not just gonna be like, oh, I'm just gonna let
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: them go do these things. Right, Like again, the whole
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: family's an alert, the whole family. So she disappears on well,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: first of all, we see the same comparison with Brian Koberg.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Before he's even indicted in January and February of twenty
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: twenty three, they're telling the whole America, the media is
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: that he's murdered other people. They got a they're saying
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: he's a suspect of murders in Pennsylvania and Georgia and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: fucking all sorts of shit. He's a new Ted Bundy, right,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: they're claiming that too. So we see the same thing
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: with with Scott Peterson. They blamed before he's before the
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: trial even began, and him and Lacey met at cal
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Poly University there and two years after they met there,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: this student was murdered there. Now everyone's always known it
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: was her boyfriend, and he's since been arrested with her father,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: that Paul Flores guy. But the media at the time,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you know, they wouldn't rest at the time he went
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: to rested. In recent years, I'm saying law enforcement knew
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: who it was, but the media is telling everybody that
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson did this murder. So we see again this
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: this this kind of pattern of behavior. Right, This framework
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: so smart.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I've never heard of that.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she was she That was the big media
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: headlines is oh h Scott Peters murders after April when
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: they found her the torso right, Scott Scott Peters Murder's wife,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: April two thousand and two, Scott or two thousand and three,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I apologize Scott Peters murder's wife. And now he's a
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: suspect on the disappearance of another college student from their
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: from their university, where they were at where they met
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: j J.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: I want to ask you something real quick. Just this
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: picture of Lacy that you had just had up there.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Julia and I last night were wondering, are there any
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: pictures of her full term pregnant, because everything is like this,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: it's from the chest up.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I've only ever seen one, sir, Yes, I know. So
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: your theory is this is this is uh not a
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: real person. I know. I like addressing all these theories
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: as we're going through that.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: They could easily fake a pregnant photo. That's the other thing, like.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Hey, well we just talked about how with JJ actually
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: how they have fake bumps and fake fucking all kinds
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: of stuff with pregnant women.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Watch a movie where someone's watch Megan Markle walking around, Well.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Just don't watch that movie with Charlie stair On because
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: she gained a sixty pound beer belly and she's not
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: wear a fake fake baby bump. Totally totally is it? Maybe?
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've only ever seen one other photo than
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: this one where she's laying and appears to be full
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: term and she's laying down on a couch and you
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: can kind of see the belly hanging out of a
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: T shirt.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Mmm, that could even be angle. Think of a woman
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: not pregnant. She's got her feet up on an ottoman
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: right now. Picture this if you will. All I'm saying
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: is I don't see like a picture out there where
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: she's eight months pregnant. You say you have seen one, though.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I'll find it. I'll find what I'm referring to. I
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: like Bradles.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: No, I'm just asking you to think about this.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety six, Pamela Anderson starred in the film
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Barbed Wire, and she they superimposed some of her face
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: on some other lady's body, even though allegedly even though
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson imposed naked or playboy and she didn't want
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to pose, you know, be nude in this new film
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: for Hollywood. So we know that technology allegedly exists to
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: do these things. We saw the same thing with Brandon
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Lee and Crow right allegedly at least right where they're
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: superimposing these things at real time on can't well why
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: can't they do that in two thousand and two on pictures? Right?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: They could be any lady's body, right, John Binney, I
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: know you're a big man of the John Bna case there, Julia.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Well uh. In the book by Gary Singular, he writes
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: about at the time they had hired a hacker the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Prosecutor's office there, I think was the PD my apology, No,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the news did the news hire the local news hired
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: a hacker to show them what was going on with
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: this child pornography stuff around these beauty pageants. And they
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: were taking actual photographs with the young girls and then
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: superimposing their faces on new girl, young girl's body. So
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: they had found evidence of such with John Bahn, I
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: believe of taking evidence of her picture being distributed like
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: that with you know superpost allegedly, right.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred one hundred.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I've seen the pictures. I'm just saying, this is
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: what reporting. Gary Singer's pre trustworthy source in regards to reporting.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I was just gonna say, if we go
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: on the theory that Lacey this whole thing is staged
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: and it never happened, I haven't seen one ultrasound picture.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: I never saw one iota of a baby anything in
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: this entire case. Like if I died tomorrow and I
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: was murdered and they found my fucking carcass somewhere, I
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: have so many pictures that they could show my belly.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: They could, They would show my ultrasound. They would show
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: like just to you know how, like to traumatize people
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: and make it so personal, like this is the baby
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: that he killed, Look look at the ultrasound or like
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: any baby anything. There was none of that with Lacy.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Speaking of which, Julia brought up an interesting point that
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: I didn't know about last night while we were talking
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: about this, because since around the baby stuff, she told
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: me that the fucking nursery theme was boats and a
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: life raft, like a life saver.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah you want a picture and a life raft? I
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: got a picture of.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: What poetic irony right there?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: If it's staged that's part of it exactly.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Maybe that Sorking room whenever had ship in it and
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: it was storaged for a while, who knows.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: So that this is the family of Peterson runs this
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: website Scott Peterson Appeal dot org, and they have they
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: have they have the case summaries and facts appeal information,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: et cetera. And they have all this information timelines, et cetera.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: So we can look at some of this stuff in
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: that boat and the Lacey sidings right again, some of
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the evidence that was ignored and not entered into evidence. Again.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: So what we're saying here also in regards to if
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: this was all you know, a kind of a fictional event,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: right to distract from someone that something else, and this
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: may be drug network, you know, let's let's just say,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: let's me impose this for example, what there's my brain
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: holds that as you're just saying these things, like, you know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: something goes on this drug network and they got to
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: do something to distract things from it. Right, so they
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: run a you know, fake operation of sorts for whatever
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: reason that we don't the unknown reason they have to
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: do it, the motivation is behind it. But I can
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: make that same argument for the Idaho four cases, because
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: again there's no evidence there are they running that operation
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to deflect from something else within this Iran contra kind
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: of drug smuggling, processed churching and efforts, because there's connection
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: to all of that with Idaho Contra, as I call it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: So I think that's interesting to note because if we're
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: gonna look at that and take that into consideration, well,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: then the family's still part of it by running this
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: shit right, by even running this website and shit right.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, And I just was a little tangent. I was
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: going to bring it up a little while but ago
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: when Amber came up, she was exonerated as as soon
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: as the cops found out about her, they heard her
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: story out. This is what they say. They heard her
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: story out. They publicly announce Amber Fry has come forward,
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: she's done honest with us. We're exonerating her. She's not
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: a suspect. But she lawyers up and gets this high
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: profile celebrity lawyer. Why did she lawyer up? They say
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: we were not looking into her whatsoever. She's cooperating with us.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: There's the Prego pic.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's an interesting point, man, that's an
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: interesting point.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Well, in your opinion, why would in these circumstances that
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: they set out for us, why does she need to.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree, it's not a strong there's not
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: a strong case for to get an attorney that in
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: that respect of it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: And this high profile celebrity attorney.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way, this this high profile celebrity
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: attorney approached her and said I will represent you.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: For free, and it does scream you know.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to take that and consider in the
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: context of circumstances also, I may because you have to
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: understand that what they used her for in the prosecution,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: so they had her do all these secret phone calls,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: which by the way, it's California's two party consent state.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, there you go, the mel Gibson dim right,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: or that or the Clippers owner remember that one.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, listen, that racist son of a bitch, right the attorney.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: You'll you'll like this JJ the attorney that represented Amber
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: as an all red Mormon, fucking Gloria al Oh, it
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: was Gloria.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, it's either her daughter, I couldn't remember
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: which one it was. They're always involved in these That's
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So you starting unpacking the anatomy of
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: these high profile events, you start seeing these patterns of
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the same people in activities.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Dude, when you told me it was a high profile celebrity,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: like I said, she told me this last night, I
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: didn't know it was Gloria. That just adds credence to
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: the sensationalization of the trial.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: All Red.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: They also I've seen Nancy Grace go off about this
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: case and all she does is say he's guilty, he
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: was a he was a philandering cheater, and it's like, okay,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: but where's the evidence of him killing her? You're just
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: taught you're doing character defamation here. You're not laying out
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: a compelling case that he's guilty. It's just like we
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: told you he's guilty, he did this, this, this, and this.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: We don't need to talk about real evidence.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's I think that's where Nancy Grace
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: came on the stage was in this case, right mm hmm.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I think it's one of the things that brought her
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: to mainstream.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: National public public mindset. Huhm.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Is there a picture of the crib by itself?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: JJ, Let me let me look at here, because that's where.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: She had like all the little boat stuff and like
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: the life preserver raft. Yes, ma'am, that is not that
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: is not traditional baby stuff.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I understand we're saying, I'm not just
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: crediting it. I do like i'li like your BrainLes out
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: on this theory. But again, their first day was fishing.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: It was a big fisherman.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: It tracks, but it just adds a little twist to them.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: I feel like it adds to the twist of this
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: is staged as fucked, just like how they brought up
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Martha's Stewart and how the episode of Martha Stewart that
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: she was supposedly watching that morning about making merangue pie
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: or whatever, and they had to play that episode for
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: everybody in the court.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I believe it was Kimberley.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: It was merangue pie.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Well, I heard another story where he was going to
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: be making she was going to be making French toast.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: I mean it depends on another story that she was
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: supposed to be making a gingerbread fucking house.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: And he calls her about getting a fruit basket. Yeah,
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, they really build up this big Christmas dinner
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: that tragically is going on as my.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: There is a lot that there is a lot of
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: narrative building that goes on around both sides of this case.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: You gon't make us some good points. So if we
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: we're just if we can go past the lies and
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: just want to point out that his family does make
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: a good argument for all these lies and points out
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: the only thing he lies the police about is that
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: golf fishing instead of golfing, and Amber fry and is
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: an accurate statement. And they didn't have even well, I
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: have a clip from GARYT. Goos and Gang. They even
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: point out there is no gaps in his chronology of
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: events that day.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And also I think the thing with Amber getting
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: an attorney, I think Amber is a liar too. I
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: think Amber knew he was married, and then when this
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: missing person thing came to attention to choose like, oh fuck.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Well now now you're gonna bring Now you're dancing to
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: my territory of theory, sir. So, I think Scott Peterson,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: like much like many people involved in these high profile
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: events that are being framed as Patsy's and situations, are
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: part of a sex call. I'm not gonna say it's
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: specifically theley Maker process, but let's say, for example, this
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: is the theory of John Cameron and the overarching theory
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: of how ed Edwards operates is he infiltrates folks lives
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: through faking to be a doctor of psychiatry, which the
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: CIA gave him credentials for back in nineteen fifty five
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: and was reissued numerous times after prison. Sense By the way, uh,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: doctor James Garfield Langley was his name, that was his credentials.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: He even got married under the name on the same
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: day he got married with the name d Edwards. That's
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: weird because we're both Those lives are filed in Idaho
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: at the same time, same judges and magistrates and same
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: stamps too. Weird.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Do they just think of these nicknames on a whim
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: or these s.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: They're creative, right, doctor James James Garfield president and then
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Langley the headquarters of the CIA.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Right, We'll never know what it really meant. Oh, I
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: never wrote that together really.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: In Cameron in Camera's book on Edwards, he does point
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: out a number of cases where Edwards is caught framing
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: people and testifying or providing UH information to police as
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: informants against the murders he commits. So in these theories,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: if he's a set up and heat set up. Cameron
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: makes a very strong case for this one because it's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: the Ed's psychosis or psychopathy was diagnosed at the age
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: of thirteen when he was also diagnosed and giving an
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: IQ test of one hundred and thirty two. It's psychopathy
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: was rooted in this the fact that he was creating
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: a lover's lane situation in the back of a car
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: in a one night stand, and he and he attacked
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: folks of in fidelity and set up cheating spouses, and
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: he'd been caught doing this in the other cases by camera.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: So Camra, you know, draw some comparisons to this one
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: and says this has got a lot of ED stuff
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: on it. But again I'm not saying it is that.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: I'm saying it AD's network at least, right, So he's.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Talking about Peterson when he says that.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the key there is he would have inserted himself
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: into Scott Peterson's life. Noticed Let's say, for example, he's
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Peterson's part of this cult network that Ed's part of.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: So that's how he initially gets even brought in to
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: even find a patsy to set up find finds a
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: patsy that fits his omo, that's a cheating his spouse
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: because it's easy then to blame that person first and
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: foremost it fits Ed's you know, is you know, mental
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: fucking health issues by framing somebody something he hates, right,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: So you know there's a lot to be said up
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: those things. But let's say he isn't a cult. Well
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: that's how we Ed got Ed or whoever set up
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson got involved in it, and Scott's Peterson's involved
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: in this drug distribution aspect of manufacturing, Well, then it's
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: not that big of a jump. I don't think to
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: assume he's in a sex cult when he's got all
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: these you know, female partners. We're processing cell situation, right.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: So what's your opinion, Amber then, because you said as
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: dancing in your brain hole on.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: That, I think she's a whore. I think she's a
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: she's a dirty whore, and I think she was used
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: for by the state for the state's ends. And I
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: think most of what she said later was to fit
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: their narrative. And she did all these recordings with him
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: after between December and April that she did all these
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: recordings and you know, none of the ship even he says,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: seems indicat he was guilty of anything other than being
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: a you know, cheating spouse and a bitch Peterson.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: And a fucking processing and drug runner.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he's a perfect He's a
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: perfect Patsy. So you know he's a dumb and depraved.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: We know those things, right, He's not I mean, he's
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: not intelligent, and we know he's depraved. So if it's
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the mold of somebody would be involved in that. He's
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: got a number of cheating with a number of women,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: that's another characteristic, then we could throw in that bucket.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Seems to be involved in the math production. That again,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Charles Manson and the Hell's Angels were doing meth and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: modesto fifty sixty years ago, right seven years ago now,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: so times haven't changed much. I think it may still
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: be the same network. And speaking of the Idaho for
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: the victim's family, Kaylee Gonzalvez, her father who wears Hell's
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: they do family photos with Hell's Angel stuff on, and
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: their family photos up there in Quarterdeley in Idaho, you know,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: a few miles away from that Arian Nation's compound. Those Nazis,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: you know, no big deal. They're from Methdesto and his
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: brother's a confirmed Nazi in prison for murder. So I
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: don't know that all of these things are all that disconnected.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Well, if I can just be honest with you, Amber
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: looks like I mean, Lacey was beautiful if she was
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: a real person. But they pull out these pictures of
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Amber and then you see her and it's like, where
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: the fuck did you get this one from? She looked
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: like she she had like bleach blonde hair, big blue eyes.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: You know, she may have found her in the valley
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: doing porn with that twin raised lady.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm saying is she looked like a
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: porn star, didn't.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: She like the girl next door? Now search No, then
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: your porn searches the girl. What's that said?
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: The trailer park next door?
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: The girl the next trailer.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the double, the double white down the street. Say
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: in the idea that this is a fictional event. I mean,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: where else would you find a compromise individual to play
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: the pork the porn industry great spot, loving to recruit
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: somebody for that role. It's a great spot.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: She really does look like that, though, And then her
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: attorney like, I said, I'll represent you for free glow Yello.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: Why I didn't know that was her? That's blowing my mind.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to look at a couple of clips
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: from Garry Gos, you know, the guy who represented Peterson,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: who maintains innocence today and has made some comments recently
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: since Peterson's case has been picked up by the La
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Innocence Project, which is different than the original Innocence Project.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: But again, this whole network, what's that, sir?
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: I said in the Innocence Project would be the very
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: first to tell you that's not us.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: They I know they do, right. I think that's a
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: good thing to differentiate. So we see the Innocence Projects
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: born out of the armhol James Simpson case and is
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: not his dream team, his nightmare team. And we see
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of bullshit around that connecting to the Idaho
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: four case too. Just saying, but we see this, this
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: organization by his attorney Berry Shrek, was was created to
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: suddenly use all this new fangled technologies and forensic evidence
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: in dnaight a exignery, folks. And when they've since nineteen
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: ninety two or when they created themselves there, I think
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: have exonerated less than two hundred people.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: This is from the OJ trial.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: That's where I was born out of. Really, so Barry
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Shrek started the project right before the Orenthal James Simpson
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: case and then joined that team and this was really
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: propelled into the international fame of this project.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: But the one that represents Scott indifferent.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the LA Innocence Projects, that's correct.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, yep, so this the original Innocence Project, took in
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: twenty million dollars in twenty twenty and that's a lot
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: of money. And the way they spent is very interesting.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: And no, you go ahead after we're done talking about
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: the Innocence Project and get back to the LA. I'll
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: make money.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to get it. I just want
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: to get a quick I want to make sure my
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: numbers is correc because I haven't loked at in a
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: few years. But I feel like a number of years
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: ago they had like two hundred and thirty eight total exoneration.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: So it's important to consider that because no one wants liability.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: The States don't want liability. The I heard we go,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I was off by a factor of ten.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: It's twenty nine and thirty nine convicted defendants who were
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: exonerated through DNA. So you know that's important to note though,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: because what are they doing with all that money and
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: no state? No state? So let's just say Scott Peterson
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: did not do it. Is again as I started off
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: this conversation, that's my position, Well, he would sue the
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: state of California when mains dollars, just like Stephen Avery
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: did right when he when he did that in Wisconsin.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: So these ideas of the innocence projects are a fucking
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: are part of the syop In my opinion, there's no
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: one trying to exonerate anybody. And that's the same thing
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: John Cameron argues about Ed Edwards is that he was
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: informed he was in an FBI informant from nineteen fifty one,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: a CIA operator from nineteen fifty five, and a domestic
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: terror campaign operations of Project Chaos like his friend Charles Manson.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: And so no one's gonna say anything about the No
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: one wants say anything about Ed first and foremost, and secondly,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: no one wants to attribute any murders to him because
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: he's put people in prison in those terror operations. People
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: got executed for murders they did not commit. Just like
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson could in the fact that he fits that
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: same mold as I was saying before, with that and
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: his network. So I'm just saying, no, there's no motivations
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: to exonerate anybody or do any of these innocence projects.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I was kind of shocked that anyone took up Peterson's case.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Well, and you had to get into that he actually
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: reached out to them, and the story goes. And I
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: do believe the evidence that they're talking about right now,
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: because I mentioned earlier JJ said there was ten witnesses
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: that saw the dog walk and one that stuck out
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: to me. I know about three of them. In particular.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: One guy was gassing up his car saw Lece walking by,
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: described similar clothes to another guy that saw on the
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: same street, remembers looking at the dog side note dog
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: star dogs come up way too fucking often in this drive.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: But anyway, so they see her and then a woman.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: I think this is the most damning evidence of all.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: She's an orange van sees at the Medina household on
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: the twenty fourth. This is her testimony. She drives by
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: real slow, she's old. She said she wouldn't have looked
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: twice but there is two nefarious guys who seemed to
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: fit the description of these two that did admit they
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: robbed the home. So she says, as she passes by,
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: she looks and in her mirror she sees a woman,
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: a woman squatting down and urinating next to the van,
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: and then an arm reaches out and grabs her and
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: pulls her in.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Have you heard that that's correct her? If I may
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: that's a brown van, then right, because that's part of
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: the confusion that's been going on. I've noticed in the
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: skin it was orange when I heard it. Oh, I think, well,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: I think the orange van is the new piece of
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: evidence they've introduced to this and it's this project stuff
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: that the law enforcement never tested. And I got a
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: clip on that the van I think that was the
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: connected to the robbers was a tan or brown van,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, but that's I believe that's the
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: one from You may be right. It may be in
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: the orange van. This lady's seen to them, but there
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: was The police initially claimed they had cleared the robbers,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: the burglars and their van, but and there was a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: lot of confusion that was then later made about that
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: orange van. No, you're right. So the state tried to
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: conflate these vans and they did a good job of it.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: So the states, the state said brown or tan.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: No, there was two different vans, and they try to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: make everyone believe that. Pay no attention to the orange
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: van with the blood in it, right.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a bloody mattress.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: And I got a claim on that from the guy
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: who found it, from the firefighter who found it, So
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I was wrong. There was actually twenty four sidings within
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: her normal one mile readies of her home, of her
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: dog walk.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: They were in court, Geregus, you fucking probably did not.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: This is the first time I'm hearing about twenty four sights.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: Me too, But the tree that I know about, Yeah, obviously.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: They reported the proper, proper clothing she was last seeing
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: eating breakfast with that morning with Scott, and they reported
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: the dog and they'd seen her before. This was her
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: normal route. So that's very interesting, right, we got all
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: these you know you know again the state, I mean,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: this says Timeline again. So many problems because they started
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: arguing with Timeline that they later changed throughout the course
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: of their even fucking trial. Man, it's just so weird.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Well, Uh, I just wanted to say something really quick
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: on Colby's point, Let's just say that this is all
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: fake and staged engaged. Okay, but let's just say that, right,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: and like the weirdness around, like where's the ultrasound pictures?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Why was? Why is there conflicting information about the tourso
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: versus the all of it, Let's just say it's all
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: fake and that's why it doesn't make sense. And you
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: mentioned how often the dog comes up in this case.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Guess what the name Connor means?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: What Irish dog?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Lover of hounds?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Come on, lover of hounds?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: All right, Julia, can I ask you at this point
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: I'm dying to know. Are you still? Where are you at?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: This is all.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Theater, okay, but let's pretend. Let's pretend it's real.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: Though.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: Is he the killer?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: I did it? JJ, We're not even done yet.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Nice. Well, I'm I'm gonna be on it. I'm trying
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: to think this is not This may not be real
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: because we were talking about high profile celebrity attorneys. I mean,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: look at look, so we got all right on one side,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: we got Gary gos on the other. You know, he's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: he was already defending Michael Jackson before this trial, right
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: or the Jackson attorney later, might I might have gotten
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: those mistakes.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it was before. And Robert
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: Downey Jr. As well, I mean this guy was right, yeah.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Oh yeah, when Robert Downey Junior woke
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: up in his neighbor's son's bed, oh yeah that's normal.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah that was the Now he's a vegan, fucking tellow
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: and also all how to live? Fuck that guy.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Damn Junior wakes up down down Malibu beach and not
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: even his next door neighbor, just down the beach neighbor's
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: bed of the like their twelve year old son, and
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: he's like, oh, I thought this was my bed. Then
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: go fuck yourself. Rob.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: When you said that thing about the Dog Star.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, the Connor thing. I didn't even know about.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: The lover of Hounds.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's wild, dude. Well I mean everyone, no, that's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: a great All these all these ancient alien cargo cult
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: fuckers they all love serious. So the Dog Star. So
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: that's a it's an interesting point.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Fuck.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: So here Garrett Goes is gonna tell us about this
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: new La Innocence Project here and then he's gonna he's
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: gonna go over some of the salient characteristics of why
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: the state, uh, their their bullshit case and the evidence
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: that they didn't have against Peterson and the evidence and
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: is you know, the exculpatory evidence, if you will, it's
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: important order trial.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: Mark.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: Thanks so much for being with us.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I'm way too fast, my apologies. I could probably play
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: this in normal speed, I think on News.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: Nation, probably, Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: I think we're allowed to show the narrative to point
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: out that I hope So America that picked up this
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: case is a completely separate entity from the storied reputable
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: Innocence Project that we.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Are, the storied reputable innocence project in your mind and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the strength of this fight.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: No, not really. The Innocence Project that picked up this
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: case was formed a couple of years ago when Los
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: Angeles and has a somebody who used to be at
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: a project, the Loyal Law School where I went to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: deposit for sears that they've been doing.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: I was, I was just I got lost in the swite.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: I interrupted you. I interrupted you because this is all sideways, right,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: just like his fucking bookshelf. What the fuck kind of
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: bookshelf is that?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah? That's a good point. Maybe, Like no, I mean again, dude,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of faith in this. Dude
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: is being a good attorney. Like I said, you know
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: the statement you make about he left a lot of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: shit out by putting on a good show, I would
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: say that samething about Anne Sailor's.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: All right if this is fake. I just want to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: say I said he looked so much like Ben Affleck
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: with the Gone Girl thing. That could be Ben Affleck
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: playing this role with the fucking little double chin added
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: with some prosthetics. I mean, honestly, I'd like to do
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: an ear compared I liked because this could be Ted Bundy,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: Jack Nicholson style.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Shit. What you're saying is in this Gone Girl theory, sir,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: you're saying that the Gone Girl movie was depicting in
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: real life events and they're just kind of bragging about.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: It, not in a wink to it. I think that
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: circumstantially it's very similar the story. Like you remember the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: scene where you're wondering if he what's going on in
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: his head and he's standing out in his driveway at night.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Then his fucking side bitch comes up and he's like,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: what are you doing here. You're supposed to think that
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: fucker's guilty through the whole thing, and then you find
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: out the bitch isn't even dead. Spoil alert the movie.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: My only question is where does Neil Patrick Harris playing
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: to this?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Was was he in that movie? That movie? Sir? He
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: was therked.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: I forgot all about his role in that.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: That is Rosamond Pike, that scandalous bitch, the one that
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: faked your death. So you're saying, Lacy Peterson fake your death,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: is what you're saying in this theory.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: I'm saying it's a not in a wink, but yeah,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: I'm saying that could just be the dog whistle to say,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: look again at Scott Peterson, because.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Let's present a scenario then when they're both in the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: colt and the somehow the cult is going to frame
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: him because he, you know, for whatever impetus behind that whatever.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: And let me give you an example of another circumstances
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: that may have occurred. So the Fight Club author speaking
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: of David Fincher, right that he didn't he did fight Club? Right? Yeah?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: The author Chuck Palnook's father was murdered on May twenty eighth,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine in Ley Tal County, Idaho. The woman
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: he allegedly met on a classified out a few months
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: prior who was murdered with the murder. The man in
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: prison today is her ex husband, Dale Shackleford, convicted child
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: rapists before he even married that lady. She was an attorney,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: met him in prison while he was on that rape charge.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: So hard man to defend, but no evidence against Dale
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: in any regards to the murders. And furthermore, Dale and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: his wife seemed to be part of this. Speaking of
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: meth trafficking, he had a dry convicted kid didler opened
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: up a trucking company with his lawyer wife and transporting
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: chemicals from the ozarks of Missouri Common Area Nations Hotspot
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: to Idaho Common Area Nations Hotspot and meth trafficking operations.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: And they all have sex cult stuff going on around him.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: He's got like three or four side pieces. When it
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: comes to trial, they all testify against them. The woman
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: in the burnout cabin with Chuck Paliknook's father, the two
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: deceased in this In this matter, the alleged ex wife
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: of Dale shackle for the kid diddling, apparently meth trafficker
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: sex cultist, uh that she didn't have a uterus or sorry,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: disregard the body and the warrant and the burn up
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: cabin had a uterus, the one that was there with
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Chuck pally Knuk's dad Fred, the alleged deceased woman had
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: no uterus. So if these are matters of a sex
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: cult turning against the party in framing stuff, and currently
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: I have some operations we see more patterns of that
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: across time and space in different locations across the Maria.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: This wondering uterus keeps coming.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: In case, that's a good name for.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: It, because I mean, that's a legitimate We did that
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: Insanity or Mental Illness series, and that was a real thing.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: But that they were saying made women crazy. But they
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: looked at it as like a little hound dog that
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: like to roam around in the woman and it would
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: make her crazy. But anyway, what was that they back
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: in the day, they would say that the woman had
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: a wandering uterus. If it was too high, you needed
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: to entice it back down to the bulvar aia with
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: someone smells, or if it was too low and there
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: was like a tribute, they said, it's like a hound
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: dog it right, Yeah, exactly so to me, when you
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: look at the tors so that they found, they always say,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: all of our internal organs are missing other than the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: uterus with lacy. So the uterus just keeps coming back
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: up in these things.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: That's very interesting often. I'm glad you pointed that out, sir.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go on a uterus now not.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: Well, I knew had plans tonight, dude.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: I was utterly stunned when I read that stuff on
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Dale Shackle for his case. His lawyers argued it in
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: their trial. And you know what the state by all
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: appears is there's no evidence of state ever disper I
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: can find no record of let's they just ignored it.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: They just iggort it, you know. So you know, maybe
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: we might be honest something there may be more importance
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: if you're talking about the serious worship and some sort
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: of connections of the uterus. Well, we just identified two
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: weird uterus cases here, didn't we.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And let's just say that even if this story
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: is fake, the way that they talk about the discovery
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: of the torso very significant in the dist Well, we
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: found just the torso and just the uterus, and then
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: like Connor was found.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: With the fucking string of twine tight around his neck,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: not something the ocean would do.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was a piece of tape on his
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: here not account before. It reminds me of the John
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Beney case where they have the twine and the and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: and the and the the Garrett that they've never really
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: accounted for the stun gun stuff. Again, things that are
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: not that were not sourced from inside that home. So
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: and again its back to Ed Edwards. John Cameron claims
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: ed was that Santa Claus guy that that John Bannane
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: was telling everybody about, and then he would have infiltrated
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: the home on the Christmas part of the day before
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: all that cut out.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: We did, so you'll probably get that recorded on your end.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was just saying that John that Ed
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Edwards theory of John Cameron. He claims that that camera's
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: responsible for John Benet's as well, and that Edwards was
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: the the Santa Claus that John Banne was telling everyone about,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: and that Edwards would have been the guy that called
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: now and won from the home Christmas part of the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: day prior just to test the response time.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Did you know that Hunter s Thompson wrote about the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Santa Claus.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't know John Case. I did not know that. Actually, ma'am,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: here's a process connection right there, right.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: And we know where he was running around at that time.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Hunter, I s. Thompson, knew the Santa Claus that John
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Benet was talking about.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: Or was the Santa Claus. I wouldn't be surprised at
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: this point. And that guy was a hero of mine
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: at one point.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: It's certainly I mean, I like the idea, It's certainly possible.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: It did look just like Santa Claus at that time. No,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I will note that white hair white.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: You're thinking Hunter was maybe running with Ed.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I think Ad again is the general of their handed
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: death team. So if hunters up in the pornography, it's
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: snuff film department, and he's going to know that the
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: guy in the head of the fucking you know, I'll
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: look at us a corporation. You know. You know, have
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: you ever seen the film No Country for Old Men?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: Oh? Yes, you know how I want to watch that
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: with her at some point.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: I'd like to invite you all for a future Nicolet
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: and esoteric review on that film. I liked the book.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Cormick McCarthy's book, but I like the film as well
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: by the Cohen brothers. And you see in that film
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: what I'm describing here in this corporate net work. So
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: you see Milton from Office Space, who lost the Staplers,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: operating as some sort of managerial position in Midland, Texas
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: where the bushes that are from strangely right in a
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: in a you know when Midlands is a weird are
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: you have nothing but west desert of Texas, and then
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: you have like this small block of skyscrapers you see
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: off in the distance like a mirage. That's fucking Midland,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: you know, the Texas there. So that's what we see
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: in the film the Yes, sir.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Did you think it was weird that Woody Harrelson was
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: literally playing his father in that movie?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Well that's where I was my point, sir. So we
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: see Whaty Harrelson playing a hitman within this network, right,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: which is again what his father did. And these people
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: are just telling us their tales, right, And his father
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: was in Texas in that era doing those things. He
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: actually shot, shoots, gets convicted for the murder of Judge
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Roy Wood. I believe he's the second federal judge ever
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: ever sitting judge, federal sitting judge, ever murdered, ever murked
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: in America. So he does that for the Mexican drug cartel.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: So we see him working within the same network already
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: that we see it depicting in that film. I don't
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: think it's why. I like where your brain holds that, sir.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any consequence we see that.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: But no, I got another one for you too. If
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: there's some monarch ship going on in that movie. Tommy
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: Lee Jones is the fucking bad guy in that movie.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Oh dude, do you ever see it, like recently?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Do you remember now? I remember, I've seen that film
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: hundred times.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: Do you remember when he's sitting in the TV and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: he grabs the milk and then there's the scene at
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: the end where an what's his name anton or I
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: don't remember the.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Guy anton Anton it is anton Is.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: And yeah, so anyway, he he goes up to the
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: wife at the end of the movie. She knows who
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: he is, she's seen him before, she and she knows
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: she's gonna die.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: She has seen right, dude, that's right, that's right, dad.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: And I mean watch it again with that Stephen.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: Says, are you the devil or are you dead something
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: something in that regard.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to watch that clip though that had.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: I'll bring it right up. So in regards to them, now,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: we're going to get too far off either. So we
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: see whaty Harrelson and retired US Army colonel goes to
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: this meeting with Milton from office space in this Midland
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: office building in Texas to describe recouping the drug money.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: He's one of their guys and fills a role within
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: this network. So he knows Anton, the other hit man guy, right,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: and they know the people that are in the distribution network,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: but they don't know that you know, it's compartmentalized. They
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: just know of these people in certain respects. So I
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: assert that's how that operates in the real world. And
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: they're just bragging about it by putting Whatdy Harrelson in
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: there because that's what his dad did. His dad wasn't
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: forming Armory colonel, but nonetheless that was the role he
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: played in Texas at that time for those people. So
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: we see this being operated in corporate capacity. I would
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: say again, we see, ah, you have a logistics distribution channels,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: you have your distribution you know, department of your logistics
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: kind of supply department when Peterson would fall in. You know,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: you have other departments where folks may know of each other,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: you know, so you may have like your top guy,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: like a Hunter S. Thompson may know an ed in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: that NUMBERK right because of their you know they're up
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: in the upper rachel out of this corporation. Yeah, they've
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: been there for a long time. They've crossed pass over
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: the decades kind of deal, right, So that's kind of
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: way I look at it.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: So Gary Goes brings up some interesting points here about
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: the case against and lack thereof against Peterson. So I
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: think the next one at two minutes here, I'll fast
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: forward to maybe, uh, there.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: We go an unpopular belief to have. I mean, if
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: you go through the so called evidence in the case,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: I could debunk virtually every single thing. But people have,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: or a lot of people have a visceral reaction to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: this case that does not correspond to the evidence.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this was one of those infamous cases that the
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: whole country followed. Speaking of the evidence, you know, I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: had a viewer right to me that it seems a
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: lot of this hinges on the Medina burglary that happened,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: as well as the fact that police quote failed to
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: investigate exculpatory evidence, but more police did verify the statements
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: and alibis of those burglars. If there was police misconduct
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: anywhere in this case, in a case of this magnitude,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: why would that not have been discovered the first time around?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: Well, it actually was the first time around. The officers
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: were trying to say that the burglary took place on
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: the twenty six. Well, by the twenty six, as you
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: subsequently would know, most of the news media was already
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: camped out on that street.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: You pointed that out earlier, Sir, I was a very
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: salient characteristic of the bullshit that went on in this case.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of those big things that can't be overlooked.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: They needed to get their story straight and they fucked up.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like you, I think they would do that
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: during their investigation before he goes to trial.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: I mean to me, when you're like in the middle
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: of a frame up in real time, you're gonna slip
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: up sometimes, and when you get dates and shit wrong
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: like that. The way they tried to reach like go
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: back and you know, set it straight. It just made
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: it even look more suspicious in my.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Opinion, that's a fair point. I gotta let this guy out,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: give me one second.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I actually have a question about this right now. So
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: when are you guys, When are you guys thinking that
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: the burglary happened in the.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: Twenty fourth whatever day Lacey died or got nabbed.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, happened after one o'clock on the twenty fourth when
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: they had them internet searches.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, that old woman just claims it was Christmas Eve
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: when she saw the nefarious action going around that.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was numerous corresponding accounts that seemed indicatd that
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: was in fact when it occurred.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, so you're you would.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Because again there's so much Again, there's so much narrative
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: that was spun here and the facts from fiction, it's
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: tough to discern. Much like the IDAOA four case. Yeah,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: and again the exculpatory evidence, they didn't test shit and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Same as Idaho four. There was blood
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: on that famous knife shet every one talks about with
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: a touch DNA that actually had blood on it from
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: other males that was never tested, so unidentified, not Coburger's blood,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: so not the victim's blood. So again we see the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: same malfeasans by authorities. I think because Gary Goos explains while.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: An entire media scrum was out there in the middle
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: of the street, this burglary took place. Number one. Number two.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: The other thing that has always irked me the day
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: the jury convicted Scott. The prosecution handed me discovery on
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: that very day that he was convicted.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Where again Idaho did the same thing to Brian Coberger.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: A lieutenant at the Chino Prison had intercepted a call
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: from an inmate to one of the burglars who were
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: talking about Lacy Peterson and confronting her during the burglary.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: That tape went missing, and they never disclosed that until
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: the day of his conviction.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you goes Goby. You respond with your assessment that
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: has the very sounding characteristics in the innocence of the
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: fact that Scott Peterson did not do it, in the
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: malfeasance of the law enforcement authorities. How do you get
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: a recording from these burglars which they shit coat the
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: timelines and narratives around these burglars in the event, you
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, they move all these timelines, and
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: then you later have a tape that gets disclosed to
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: the defense after he signs it guilty please, but the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: tape's actually lost.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: I don't understand what the significance is of that woman
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: saying Lacey squatted down to pee.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: She's probably eight and a half months pregnant and needs
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: to pee and begs the guys to let her pee,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: and they make her do it right on the ground.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: They don't want her to go. She's probably trying to
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: buy time, get back in the house, try to get
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: away or something, and they make her do it right there.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: She get spotted by the old bitch, and then they
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: just yanker in the van, probably midstream.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: It's certainly a plausible scenario.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: And there's a mattress in there.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: You'll see they keep they keep inflating these vans. We'll
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: see in the next clip after Garagris the intentional conflation
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: of these vans, which makes me, It seems to me
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: indicates there's a lot more to both of those vans,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: because let's just say, maybe both fans were involved. Maybe
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: they was a you know, they switched vehicles at some point.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: We've seen that in Afflick movies. Of the town. They
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: do that in the town with Affleck. We're basing these
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: theories off of Affleck films. I'm just saying, there we go.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear you. What we got up next?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Oh? Shoot, my bad. I didn't stare this. I thought
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: I was dude, I'm new, I don't know what to do.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I hit play, Dude, I'm stupid, dude. Reason I quit
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: sharing and I hit play. I was just watching Garagrass myself.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't want you guys to join me. That's what
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: I'm me and Gary Gris myself.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: I'm curious.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: I'm curious just as an everyday American who.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Can You'll see that here.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: That he was where a lieutenant at the prison had
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: intercepted a call from an inmate to one of the
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: burglars who were talking about Lacy Peterson and confronting her
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: during the burglary. That tape went missing, and they never
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: disclosed that until the day of his conviction.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: And I'm assuming have you talked to the La Innocents Project.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm curious because I'm curious just as an
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: everyday American who followed this case. I mean in their
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: eyes and you who just said I knew the evidence
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: better than anybody else.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: What's the smoking gun here?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was waiting for guns.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 6: Possibly exoneration in the future. I mean, what's going to
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: have to come forward for a new trial to actually
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 6: come to fruition for Scott Peterson.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know that I would be in a
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: position to characterize what they think. I have always thought that, uh,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: the fact, the complete collapse of any kind of forensic
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: evidence tying Scott to a crime. But remember that house
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: uh and that bay were probably the most searched and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: forensically tested two areas at the time. There was nothing there.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: So I think it makes it. That's one of my
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: biggest points right there. Like one of the biggest takeaways
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: I have is when they do all this massive searching,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: you know, the amount of evidence they find. They like,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: we found like this, you know, some of Lacey's blood
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: or hair on a boat and stuff like that, like
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: one strand of hair, Like even if it was they're
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: not planted, Like, it's not unreasonable to believe that these
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: married partners would exchange such things as transporting hair onto something,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: you know, another vehicle they go into. Again, it's not
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: evidence of a crime, you know, what I mean they're
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: not evidence of this is we found the murder weapon,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: he took it, did this on this date, and did
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: these things. And then when they try to paint those
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: narratives that again, as we've already pointed out, change their
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: own their own theories mid trial.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: Well, what do you what do you think about Gerrigis Like,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: I don't think how can he sit here and say
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: this the discovery process, Sure, but once new evidence comes
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: to light and he waits until now to like, I mean,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: he's basically admitting that this did come out in time.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but let's imagine this scenario. It's all part of
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: even if it's a real ven or not, there's still
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: psychological operations in a magic show around it to distract
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: folks attention from the real reality of the situation. So
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: let's assume that unless he's playing a great role, right,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: he does his job. Well, he goes like this, my
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: work here is done.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: So you think that he's in on it, You think
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: that he's in on getting Scott falsely convicted.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he was part of the real roading
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: for sure. And then another thing, as.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I call a nightmare team of Orenthal James Simpson the
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: only person that cared about Orentthel James Simpson. There was
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Pal Kardash and everyone else that was part of the Railroad,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: part of the magic show.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: But he was only given a million dollars to do
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: this case. And that might sound like a lot of money,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: but people like have looked into these murders and like
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: how the court stuff works, that's nothing. He should have
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: gotten way more for this if this was legit.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he you know, he's you know, what's he
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: done for him? Since? Again, you know, I'm not I
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: don't want to speak for John Cameron, but to my
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: understanding from statements I've heard him making previous shows years ago,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: the detective, the Ed Edwards detective. That is, he's reached
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: out to reach out to all these guys like Garri
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Gers and gotten their response. So that'sould say something too.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that. Oh yeah, he's keeping the show going,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: that's for sure.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Yep, he's got some more. He's had some statements to
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: make them that they have recovered.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: They believed they'll do some testing there and they absolute
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: in reading the motion some other pieces of evidence that
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: there appears.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Now he says he's reading the motions he's not involved
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: in this case. He's simply read that Innocence project. Finally,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: and I've read the same thing, and again, this is
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: the new Van, this is not the old An. We'll
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: get it. He doesn't really, he doesn't really point that
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: out here.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: Twenty years later, to be techniques that can be utilized
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: that will potentially point to a complete exoneration. I will
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: say it again, and I know I've said it already
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: in this brief time I've had it with you. There
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: is has never been any evidence as to how he
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: did this, where he did this, or when he did this?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: Remember whenn't it?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: And that was the point I was making earlier. There was,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: you know, standard investigation. You have to establish NeXT's point
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: of your suspect who committed this crime, the victim of
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: the crime, and the scene of that crime. And they
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: did none of that. And they also did none of
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: that and not have four In fact, they've they've come
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: out since the guilty plea there and say, oh, we
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: can't even put him in the house. The cell phone
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: tower shit was garbage. We don't know that he was
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: stalking them. It's all fucking nonsense. And it's the same
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: sort of you know playbook Yea and Drugs has something
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: to do with that. Theek them Greek students on them
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: to universities up there have been long standing drug distribution
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: networks and a lot of Mexican cartel activity along with
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Arian Nations style drug trafficking. So when you mentioned those
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: white nationalists earlier there, I was like, yeah, that sounds
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: about right with these with these patterns of behavior.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: Well, are you familiar with the incident I'm talking about
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: that came forward where he apparently was, you know, one
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: of his trips to Fresno. He was in a titty
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: bar and two neo Nazi guys came forward and said
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: that he approached them after he saw their tattoos and whatnot,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: and he said, how do you guys get rid of bodies?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: How do you transport them? So these two neo Nazi
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: guys stepped forward saying that, and what I think it's
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: part of the railroading. They were trying to like add
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: to his fucking case or the case against him.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Well, there you go. What better way to use compromise
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: folks within your network to then stir this whole ship
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: storm and send in a direction, the false direction of
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: framing framing up uh, Scott Peterson, the.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: Same guys that knew he was dumping fucking.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Proably for example, for example, in the Orenthal James Simpson case,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: two of the witnesses besides Bill Colby, not you, not
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Bill Colby, besides Bill Colby's son Carl Colby, the primary witness,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: chief witness for the state against Orentthal James Simpson, they
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: used Denise Brown, who was dating a confirmed mafia made
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: man hit man, confirmed kills had done time before then,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: and he testified as well. So you have compromised parties
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: testifying in the frame these passies. That's what I would
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: would have hurt there. Yeah, so this is the dude
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: that finds the other vans. So let's it's interesting news names, isn't.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: It, with news Nation all over this ship.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: The four too man four Yep, yep. They're not the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: ones creating the propaganda, the ones disseminating in the propaganda.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: Though.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: It's our Howard Bloom who's working for Cocaine. Bob Evans,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: Buddy Greyton Carter had a Vandy Fair who employs Howard Bloom,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: who then they everyone repeats Howard Bloom. But they're the
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: ones who do they're the main mouthpiece.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't know.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Actually, Banfield, who made her name in the Vegas kidnapping
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: case of Orenthal James Simpson. Why is always going back
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: to the same network with these fuckers.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: That's when he went in armed to get some memorabilia back.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was definitely set up for that too. Yeah,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: right man, that orenttheal James Simpsons.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: What was the kidnapping thing you're talking about? That's those
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: are two different that was it?
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: That was it? Aren't armed robbery kidnapping when you when
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: you told me they can't leave, it's kidnapping in the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: state of Nevada.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did false imprisonment or whatever to get his
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: That may have been a false imprisonment in charge kind
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: of memorabilia.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: So it is interesting though the people who perpetrate and
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: control He's there is a news Nation, as you point out, Sir,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: is certainly at the.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: Forefront, and that's interesting.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Chris Cuomo, right, Yeah, but.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: I didn't know who was behind the News Nation. I've
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: never really looked into them, but that's all.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. I think it's the Trip now you mentioned it.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: I think it was the Tribune, if I remember correctly.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: The Tribune Media Corporation. W used to be w g
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: N out of Chicago. They became I believe they got rebranded,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But again, this is this
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: is so, this is incidental reporting. No one cares about
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: this case, I assure you. And again John Camer's made
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: those statements on his instance, isn't trying to you know,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: bring justice to some of these matters, even if he
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: is wrong. Clearly he's onto something. Peterson did not do it.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's interesting, even though they're doing this
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: sentciinental reporting, there's this ongoing ship coding between these two vans,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: the robbery van which was a brand or tan one
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: and then this orange one. And we see this orange
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: ones that the centerpiece. As Gary go has mentioned in
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: that filing by the La Innocence Project, maybe there was
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: a van okay, an orange van there it is was
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: found a mile from Peterson's home. It was found by
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: a Modesto fire inspector a day after Lacy Peterson went missing.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: So what Well, inside the van there was a mattress.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 7: On the mattress was a blood stain. The inspector says
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 7: it was human blood. Here's what he told GMA, I.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: Don't know that I was tying the moment to Lacey.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: I was more tying the moment that it was human blood.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: It made it like this was much more important than.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Just a I'm gonna go ahead and say that was
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: a comment he was told to make, and that he
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: was told you. You better not telling you to connected
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: this to Lacey from David Backley. Yeah, you better tell
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: him you didn't connect this from you.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: It would literally for any return, and let alone a
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: guy who's what is he a fire what inspector or something?
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: Ar chief?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: Jeff, Oh, he's a chief.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: They hire retards to be the fat exactly.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes the most. He goes the most because
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of times they are the incident commander on scenes,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: right when they go to a mash casualty event or
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: a homicide that they're the ones that are calling the corners.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: The police are oftentimes are not the ones. You can't
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: do anything yet it's all medical focused at first, right,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: So as a result of fire chiefs were the onsecene
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: commanders until like a police a police chief shows up,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: or like a police captain. So this dude's gone, it's
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: meth desto it's not his first homicide scene, and he's
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: not the first time he's seen blood, because he's like, oh,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: that's definitely human blood. I can smell it, and I
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: can tell the very specific tents of zinc in that blood,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, this dude's seen blood before. Right.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: So they found it because it was all burnt up.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody drove it a mile away from the house,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: set it on fire, presumably.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't find until after it had been basically
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: been extinguished. But again, they didn't get rid of the evidence.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: You know what. Ed didn't get rid of evidence and
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: numerous arsons that he committed. That's why he went to
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: jail when he when he attempted to earn a Marietta
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: Police Department sergeant's uniform from Marietta, Georgia, back in nineteen
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: eighty two, where it seems that Ed had infiltrated the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Atlanta Child Killing Task Force faking to be a Mariata
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: police sergeant. Tried to burn up that uniform in a
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: Pennsylvania home, didn't work, and got arrested by the FEDS
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: for arson. They found the uniform in the closet, so.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: On December twenty fourth, she goes for a walk at
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: some point after one pm, after she's searched sunflower dresses.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: She gets home with the dog. Home with the she
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: sees the guys across the street where they see her.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: They're probably there to Naber. I've heard the orange fan.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: I've heard people say that she approached them to be like,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: what are you doing in the Medina house? But it
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: would be more like they were there to grab her,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: And then the robbery is just a red herring.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: So the last known sighting from the eyewitness reports I
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: believe was just prior to one pm, unless you count
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: the woman. What I'm saying, I'm sorry with her dog,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: with her dog, with her dog.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: So the dog runs off and gets grabbed by a neighbor, right,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: a neighbor puts it in the backyard. Yep, Okay, So
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: what I mean just that.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: It's it's like, well, yeah, but as you heard from
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Gary Goes, the state never tried to provide an excess
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: point from when Scott allegedly kidnapped his wife and then
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: left the dog behind on the leash, And they never
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: even argued that right.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: And as Julia pointed out, if you were given a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: doctor's note to not take a walk. It doesn't mean
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: that you're not going to I don't think that's concrete
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: proof of everything. Yeah, she had a few different people
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: coroborate that story, a yoga teacher, her mother. But I
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: fucking know, I've been around two pregnant women. I know
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: how stir crazy they get. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: if she's like, fuck it, I'm feeling good today. It's
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: Christmas Eve, it's holiday cheer. I'm taking a fucking walk today.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna ticket easy. I'm just walking Mackenzie down to
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: the park. And then she's seen by twenty four fucking people.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: So, in regards to this reporting, a real time reporting
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: back in the case unfolded of the timeline of events.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: So December thirtieth, less than a week after her Lacey
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: goes missing, Modesta detectives raced over to investigate, and intriguing lead,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: a fresh name massage therapist named Amber Fry revealed that
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: she'd been dating Scott Peterson forever a month. So they've
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: always played these games of how they.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: Learned about that massage therapist. We're talking about that horror
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: network excuse me, work rating network. Yeah, and uh, what
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: do we look at? Why was why were all these
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: women going to Epstein? They were given it. The high
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: school girls were given two hundred dollars handies.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's important to note this statement by that detective.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Former detective Bueller noted her recall was fantastic. It was
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: almost like it was a script from a Hallmark TV
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: show or something whose deal I recalled every detail of
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: their romantic dates.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: Come on, Bueler, who's builder? Does he come up more
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: than like, I know, I don't recognize that.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: Naw, he was the best opd.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: He's a guy that's like actually saying real shit and
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: he didn't really get covered in the true crime presentation.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: Well there you go, because I've not heard that name
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: come up.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: Then they get hurt of record Pohune calls and they
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: do this massive press conference in the twenty fourth right,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a lot of like if you're going
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: to build up of uh, you know, if you're doing
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: a fictional narrative, you want you know, you have the storyline,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: you gotta build up the suspense, right.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: And it's a script.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: If you ask Buehler, well, Bueller just told you serios
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: from Hallmark. It was a hallmark script.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: And it basically is that quality of production.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: So then April thirteenth and fourteenth is when the bodies
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: appear up. And again they don't go over to the
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: forensic evidence where indicates these they decompositions are different. You
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, And that is we're to believe
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: the later DNA evidence. They claim that confirming the torso
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: was Lacey's mm hmm.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: No head though, no head, no internal organs other than
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: the uterus. That uterus did not wonder it stayed home
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: even though all the other organs left.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, oh, dude, you remember this. The jurors.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: They even made a show out of the jurors.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: She wrote this motherfucker seventeen letters. She was one of
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: the reasons that they want to do appeal because she
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: had some domestic violence issues, and she had she was
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: pregnant when she was being knocked around, and she left
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: that out of the initial jury deliberate. What is it
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: when they sort through him, she would have been dismissed
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: in a fucking second. And then she writes this guy's letters.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: He wrote it back eighteen times. I'd like to see those.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if they're so I've been told
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: he's very active as a pen pal in.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: Prison, especially some fucking redheaded little starlet trying to get.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Fair out of it. I mean, there you go again.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: The guy doesn't seem brilliant, right, He's obviously he's got
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: some you know, situations going on. So let's assume this.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Let's if we can bring this in for landing here
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: not Bill Colby and Juliet cosmic Peach. I appreciate your
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: times in these conversations on our Swamp casts, and we've
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: kind of were kind of the some of the sailing
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: characteristics of the not case against Scott Peterson and some
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: of the bigger questions that remained. Let's assume it was
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: a real event. Now, let me just throw this one
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: at you on my closing statements on these things. Sim
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: was a real event. The scene's actually happened. She actually
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: did die, was a real person. There was two other
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: incidents that fit the exact mold of her for the
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: story lines we've kind of painted. For getting kidnapped and
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: marked by some sort of network of situations, right, and
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: maybe even a ritual human sacrifice in different times with
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: the baby. Even in fact that scene would play into
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: this as well. Perhaps so there was two other women
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: and one was named Lords of Velia. She was reported
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: she was a modesto lady reported to have she was
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: eight eight eight or eight months eight and I have
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: much pregnant. She reported to have been stalked by two
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: men in a van right around that same time. So
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: go ahead, no, go ahead.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: So you think it could have been like a serial
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: killer team.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Well, if you're a death cult shopping for babies and whatnot,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: and polkesheads a lop off, I mean there you go.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Is that your final conclusion on it?
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: Well, folks can check out that lady's tail. I did
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: see this one thing on this year's ago on this case.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen the new stuff, but that lady's tail
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: is depicted here in a previous TV murder of Lacy
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Peterson twenty seventeen. So you have that one right, And
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: then you have the case also of Evelyn Hernandez. So
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: her body comes up ashore not far from her Lacey's,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: and Connor is dead, and I think about four months later,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: four months later, a pregnant woman had vanished days before
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: giving birth. Inside case of Evily Hernandez, the other Lacy Peterson.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I did not know about this.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, apparently there's a new docu series here. Man
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Murder Has Two Faces, began May sixth of this year
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: on Hulu. The similarities between the killings of Hernandez and Peterson.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think they ever found her son. I do
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: think they recovered her body though. But look, that's part
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: of the system, I think, because again one of the
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Cameron points out, I think, even if Ed's not the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: only guy doing it, part of this network, of this
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: death cult. Like Ed's friend Otis Tool would describe, right,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: they knew each other. That is, you gotta bring closure
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: to the event. That way, there's no in searching for shit.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: So you give them the patsy, you give them the body,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: you give them a convenient storyline, you give them a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: great person to hate. It is an easy thing for
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: folks to just accept.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: Wow, I'm reading a little bit about this Hernandez. This
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: is crazy.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Look, on July twenty four, two thousand and two, hernandez
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: body was found in San Francisco Bay, missing its head.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: In several lessons, just like John Cameron says, this is
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: also Ed and again I would agree it's the network
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: and ads in charge of it, but they may not
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: just be d directly.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: It's Lackey's.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: So we've established a pattern behavior across decades, both of
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: g geography and time. Here tonight with appreciate the conversation
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: with you all. Always enjoy it. Real barn Burner. I
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: didn't declare it at first, but I didn't have any doubts,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Real barn Burner. But you know, what else do we
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: describe if it's not a network of what that? What
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: this too will describe as a hand of death, which
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: I claim his palate at Edwards was in charge of.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: As my closing statements, I think this could either be
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: all theater or if Scott. If Scott didn't do it,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: he knew from John.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: So that suspending disbelief of this show thing, you really
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: still think he may have done it.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: He was involved in some way, he had to have.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: Been, not in some way as though he was actually
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: involved in her murder, or he knew it was going down.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: Going he knew it was going down, he knew the details.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: He do't know what happened. No, there's evidence of that.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: It's great point. That's a great point. There's evidence that
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: again across the spectrum of space and time. Here. Jay
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: c Bring knew he was about to get murdered before
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: he got murdered. So and in fact somebody cut the
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: phone lines at the electrical lines at his house that
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: they thought they cut the power of his house in
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: the phone lines the night before, like they did it
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: to take plant Ski house the next night when he
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: got murdered. But they cut the cable lines. He had
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: cable TV at a time when no one else did.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't even know that was a thing in the
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: late sixties.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't know when you were top of this network
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: dealing the drugs through his hair salon, his international hair salon,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: j CBRI International, which upon his death was in fact
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: taken over by the Processed Church's own member and attorney,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: John Markham the second his cousin is still today the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: in charge and owns Sebrie International Hair hair salon stuff.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: This harislon of the stars in their and their products
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: and their long standing drug distribution. It seems so that's
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: the holy un Markham family processed situation now. But yeah,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: he Seabrie knew was getting he was the heat was
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: on and he did it. What something was up?
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I think if let's let me not say if
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: let's just say Scott wasn't the one who actually.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: Did it, but you're still thinking that's a possibility.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, he could have helped. He could have said, hey,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: I think she's gonna walk the dog today.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: I kind of like ja out for I kind of
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: like JJ's take that she was maybe in the network
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: as well as him. I think that never has entered
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: my mind. But as soon as you said it, yeah, well.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: That that's exactly what you when you started saying Gondral,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: that's ammediately came to my brain.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: By the way, it as some of my closing arguments.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: I just there are both pieces of the ship, right,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: both her and her and Affleck are pieces of ship
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: in that film.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just looked up on the interwebs here the
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: author of that book that was adapted into the Fincher
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: film flat out said this is based on the Scott
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: Peterson thing.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Boom boom boom. I like your rats, sir, that's good.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: That's a good ship. I didn't consider that. I like
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: it though, so I bo that's how much I liked it.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: Well, I just I always look at these like I
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: do think Jack Nicholson did create Ted Bundy It at.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: The point, Yeah, man, and I do what Cult Necessary
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: film reviews every Wednesday, Sir? When did even cross my brain? Holes? Though?
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: I like your style?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: Well, i'll show. I'll send you this clip that Julia
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: pulled up where he's being interviewed in Colorado. I think
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: that's Jack Nicholson representing the Ted Bundying character. There was
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: lots of people who did, and I think Nicholson was
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: one of them. And dude, I'm not convinced that Ben
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: Affleck wasn't in fucking prosthetics play Scott Peterson.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna need to see that link, sir. I'm also
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: gonna need to join you all for another conversation on
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: these topics. Really, I enjoyed the conversation. I appreciate your
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: allest time.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah man, thanks a lot for doing this. This was,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: you know, better than I expected it to be. I
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: expected it to be preod but barn Burner, like.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: You guaranteed, sir, no bombs here, no bombs here? All right? Well,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: any closing statements for we call her in here?
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: I think that I've said my piece.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Conspiracy, play time, causing peach anything, anything, fantastic coming up.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: Besides your current fantastic stuff, I need to check out
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: about your mental health series.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: Well it's a it's a three part series and the
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: last episode is going to be coming out soon. But
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: just so you know, I learned one thing from the
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: the Scott Peterson case and the number one cause of
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: death for pregnant women his murder. So if something happens
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: to me, Kolby, did it, yike?
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: I do make soap with sodium hydroxide. Not it's not Androgyno,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: it has a gender.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Now that's awesome. Again, We'll have to convene on these
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: matters in the future. And Operation GCD live every Sunday's, Wednesdays,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: Thursdays and Friday, sometimes on Saturdays because I get sick
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: on Thursdays like tonight. So I'm gonna go do that next.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: But I i'd look forward to our next conversations and
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: if baby Hank arrives in the future, Uh, congratulations, and
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: uh before I talk to you next, congratulations, And I'm
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: giving you pre congratulations.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: And uh there's a very good chance that the next
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: time you talk to us.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: I assumed as much. Yeah, I assumed as much. So
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: and I know I've been through those endeavors of having
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: a newborns a good luck, best of luck in that
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a lot of sleepless nights, I'm sure. So.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: I've been training in the future when you're all or
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: back to having you know, some time to podcast here.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: But I look forward to our future conversations when they're
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: that does.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: O cur post up?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: Thank your idea. Congratulations, that's that's awesome stuff. Thank you, yes, ma'am.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: All right, well is that it. We'll catch you next time.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: Under the blue moon, I saw you so sirm, you
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: take me up in your.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: Arms, too late to beg you cancel it, though I
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: know it must be the killing time. I'm willing mind.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: Fad up the gains, too mad to.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: Through the second pan
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 7: H