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New LA Sales Tax | Botched Execution · The Bill Handel Show

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Speaker 2: the jobs report. Just came out. So job growth was
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Speaker 2: slower than expected in September.
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Speaker 3: U.S.
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Speaker 2: Economy added just 29,000 jobs last month. And the unemployment
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Speaker 2: rate increased to 4.2. New Bureau of Labor Statistics shows today.
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Speaker 2: So the September's job gains marked a slowdown from August
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Speaker 2: when a downwardly revised 133,000 jobs were added. But then
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Speaker 2: you get the economists looking at this and they're cautioning
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Speaker 2: that August's surprisingly strong gain likely reflected some seasonal factors
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Speaker 2: and overstated hiring a little bit. Here's the thing. This
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Speaker 2: jobs report. is slowly becoming meaningless. There's a lot of
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Speaker 2: factors that go into it. I've had this conversation on
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Speaker 2: and off the air with Handel that it started breaking
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Speaker 2: down a couple of the markers that we use because
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Speaker 2: it's like saying homeless. It doesn't just, when you say
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Speaker 2: people are getting jobs or not getting jobs, it means
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Speaker 2: a plethora of things now. It could mean that somebody
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Speaker 2: has given up looking for now. it uh on one
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Speaker 2: side on the other side it can mean that yes
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Speaker 2: somebody got a job but they got a part-time job
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Speaker 2: or something well below their intellect or abilities so it
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Speaker 2: does give you kind of a headline on unemployment and
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Speaker 2: job creation stuff like that but it often just masking
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Speaker 2: these economic issues that are underlying and realities that we
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Speaker 2: still need to deal with that are structural and they
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Speaker 2: may be blind spots, they're revisions, or sometimes it's a
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Speaker 2: divide in demographics. So you can have excluded workers, you know,
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Speaker 2: the headline just goes, boom, unemployment rate, the U3, and
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Speaker 2: that U3 is what is breaking down. as to how
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Speaker 2: we look at this and say, okay, these are the
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Speaker 2: markers for success or failure. I don't think they work
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Speaker 2: anymore in the same way. So unemployment, like I said,
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Speaker 2: sometimes part-time workers who want full-time jobs but can't find them,
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Speaker 2: they're counted as fully employed. That's the headline rate. That's,
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Speaker 2: you know, something you could read. And also the quality
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Speaker 2: of the job, the metrics that they do, you know,
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Speaker 2: tracking those raw numbers as values rather than wage. And it's,
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Speaker 2: you know, if it's substantial, the benefits, whether jobs match
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Speaker 2: the skill level of the workers, all these things get
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Speaker 2: tied into that. And I don't think we see them
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Speaker 2: in that raw number. So these things, although we we.
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Speaker 2: keep you posted. And they do mean something. They just
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Speaker 2: don't mean what they used to. I think the markers
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Speaker 2: are flawed and we end up getting these numbers as
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Speaker 2: to what's, we don't really know what's going on. It's
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Speaker 2: away later in the program. All right. Here's the deal.
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Speaker 2: We here in Los Angeles just started paying one of
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Speaker 2: the highest sales taxes in the whole country. Is it
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Speaker 2: expensive to get a house?
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 2: But what is often not talked about is the stuff
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Speaker 2: that politicians are going, we got to deal with this.
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Speaker 2: It's expensive to get a house. I'm telling you, the
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Speaker 2: house is the easiest part here in LA. The hard
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Speaker 2: part is everything else around it. Having to pay for
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Speaker 2: things for that house, having to pay for groceries. And
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Speaker 2: those are stuff that these politicians, the same politicians that
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Speaker 2: are complaining about it, are putting on us. And I,
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Speaker 2: you know, we don't lose money in life by buying
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Speaker 2: too many houses. Oh my gosh, you just bought another
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Speaker 2: house on accident and now I'm broke. No, we lose
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Speaker 2: money in life by being nickeled and dimed. That's how
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Speaker 2: you lose it. And you know what? That's how you
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Speaker 2: make it too. Most of us don't make money. We're
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Speaker 2: salary or hourly people, right? We're not, the rich make
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Speaker 2: money based on their money. Their money continues to work
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Speaker 2: for them. Most of us work for our money and
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Speaker 2: try and save ourselves rich, which you can't really do.
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Speaker 2: But you invest it the best way you can. And
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Speaker 2: so these little bits that drain from us are the
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Speaker 2: ones that are killing us. But politicians keep pointing to
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Speaker 2: the big things because it's easier to go, oh, look.
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Speaker 2: Those rich bastards are taking all your money and they're
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Speaker 2: buying these houses and then you have nothing and all
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Speaker 2: these things. And yeah, that could be true as well.
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Speaker 2: But it's the nickel and diming that is actually killing us.
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Speaker 2: The rate went up from 9.75%, which is ridiculous, to 10.25%.
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Speaker 2: We're now paying over 10%. And some cities are even higher.
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Speaker 2: So you go to Hollywood, 11%. Santa Monica, 11.25%. In Palmdale, Palmdale, 11.75%.
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Speaker 2: Which might just be the highest in the United States.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean? Well, every nickel and dime you
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Speaker 2: and I put into this means that we, the shoppers,
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Speaker 2: here in California, are going to spend about a billion
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Speaker 2: dollars more per year. So this is– and you know what?
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Speaker 2: We're so stupid– We keep voting for these things because
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Speaker 2: they're asked and they're pulling at our heartstrings. Tax hike
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Speaker 2: came from something called Measure ER. We the voters barely
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Speaker 2: passed this back in June. It won by about 25,000 votes.
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Speaker 2: So supporters said the money would help hospitals and clinics
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Speaker 2: that were losing funds. So how did that work? Because
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Speaker 2: we're in such a blue state, And you know why
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Speaker 2: our state is blue? Because we're holding our breath for
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Speaker 2: something to change instead of changing it. And we're dying.
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Speaker 2: Blue is the color of us dying because we have
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Speaker 2: no more oxygen in California. And all they had to
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Speaker 2: do is going, you know what? We're losing funding. You
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Speaker 2: know who's taking it? Trump. And you say the T
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Speaker 2: word and people start shaking. And their nose rings start
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Speaker 2: rattling and their purple hair and their horn rim glasses
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Speaker 2: start shaking. Trump, vote for it. It's like Trump says
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Speaker 2: that you should be alive. Well, then I am killing myself.
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Speaker 2: I am not doing what that man says. And so
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Speaker 2: not only is the state blue, but so is our faces.
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Speaker 2: We are lacking oxygen. We were tricked. There's no rule
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Speaker 2: saying that the county has to spend the money on
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Speaker 2: health care.
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Speaker 3: None.
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Speaker 2: It goes into the county's general fund. Leaders can use
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Speaker 2: it for whatever they want. We're stupid. You and I
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Speaker 2: are stupid. Huge campaign paid for by health care groups,
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Speaker 2: unions spent nearly 10 million bucks. And they wanted us
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Speaker 2: to vote yes, which I did not. Opponents only raised
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Speaker 2: about 10,000. Because anytime you oppose something like this, they go, oh,
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Speaker 2: MAGA hat. Thanks, MAGA hat. Why don't you just go
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Speaker 2: and kill us, MAGA hat? Look at these things separately.
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Speaker 2: If the devil himself said Jesus Christ is Lord, I'd
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Speaker 2: say amen. You got to separate the the facts from
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Speaker 2: whose face it's coming out of or whatever, they will
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Speaker 2: get you to do anything. But Sarah, all he said
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Speaker 2: during the debate was Trump up. There's more Trump. You're
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Speaker 2: just doing the Trump stuff. You got to get past it.
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Speaker 2: Start thinking on your own and looking at these things
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Speaker 2: piece by piece. If they're stupid, you know, there's the old,
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Speaker 2: the Hellenistic courts, the, Original Greek courts, if I'm remembering correctly,
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Speaker 2: were done in the dark. So that you didn't have
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Speaker 2: the bias. And I wish we could do that. Just
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Speaker 2: look at cold facts. I guarantee that if you put
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Speaker 2: these things, you got rid of the R, you got
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Speaker 2: rid of the D, and just made people read these
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Speaker 2: things and say, which do you think is best? They
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Speaker 2: would stop voting for stupid things. We make excuses for
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Speaker 2: our own team. It's human nature. So if you belong
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Speaker 2: to the team, you're going to defend it. And then
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Speaker 2: we get stuck with garbage like this. To make things
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Speaker 2: more complicated, by the way, a lawsuit has been filed
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Speaker 2: the day before the tax even started. Libertarian Party of
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles County is trying to overturn it. But for
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Speaker 2: right now, we have to pay the higher tax. This
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Speaker 2: is what's killing us. It's never going, you know, the
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Speaker 2: old frog in boiling water, it'll jump out. But if
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Speaker 2: you put a frog in lukewarm water and turn up
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Speaker 2: the heat, it'll die. That's what we're doing. But the
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Speaker 2: dumb thing is we're the ones in the pot. And
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Speaker 2: we keep reaching out of the pot and turning up
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Speaker 2: the heat because they say, hey, we need to turn
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Speaker 2: up the heat because of X, Y, and Z. And
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Speaker 2: we go, okay, go ahead, turn it up. Oh, that tickles.
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Speaker 2: My feet, what smells like?
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Speaker 1: Pork.
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Speaker 3: Sauce.
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Speaker 2: Long pig. Doing it to ourselves. Sorry, that's my pants.
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Speaker 2: That's your pants? Yeah, that's New Clay's pants. He had
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Speaker 2: a mildew issue. We're not talking about it. All right.
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Speaker 2: You know what's funny? I always talk. The very thing
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Speaker 2: I'm saying is what people mistake. Someone's like, how could
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Speaker 2: you vote for Trump? I'm like, I.
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Speaker 1: Didn't vote for Trump.
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Speaker 2: Personally, I never would. He's not my guy. Sorry, but
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Speaker 2: people heard that when my whole point was don't look
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Speaker 2: at the D, don't look at the R, look at
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Speaker 2: the content and make a decision. If you don't, it's
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Speaker 2: the equivalent of walking into a courtroom and saying that
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Speaker 2: guy's brown, he's guilty. That's the same to me. Just
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Speaker 2: use your logic. But then it's like, how could you
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Speaker 2: vote for that rapist? I'm like, I didn't vote for him,
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Speaker 2: you idiot. You idiot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Hey, idiot. All right. Dr. Jim Keeney is with us today.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Chief Medical Officer for Dignity, St. Mary's, St.
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Speaker 2: Mary Medical Center there in Long Beach. And you're going,
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Speaker 2: but wait, I thought I heard him yesterday or Wednesday, right?
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Speaker 2: We're having him back.
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Speaker 3: Why?
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Speaker 2: Because of that chaos in the death chamber with Krista
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Speaker 2: Pike's botched execution. Hey, doctor. Good morning to you.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Neal.
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Speaker 2: So yesterday I talked about this as we try and
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Speaker 2: be so humane. And I know that sounds a little
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Speaker 2: stupid or heartless, but we try and be so humane
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Speaker 2: in this process that I think it becomes more problematic
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Speaker 2: for the person than not. And in this case, we
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Speaker 2: do it. We're trying to put someone to sleep forever
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Speaker 2: is what we're trying to do rather than the reality,
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Speaker 2: which is we're going to take their life and you
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Speaker 2: want it to be as painless as possible. But ultimately,
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Speaker 2: if you know you're going to die, I guess waiting
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Speaker 2: is painful. But we wanted to hear about the pentobarbital
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Speaker 2: and the two doses and what is actually going on
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Speaker 2: physically when they're trying to make someone, you know, go
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Speaker 2: to the choir invisible.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean, the method that they use is
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Speaker 3: just straight pentobarbital at a super, super high dose, right?
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Speaker 3: We would normally give 100 milligrams. You know, we don't
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Speaker 3: use it much anymore, but if we were going to
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Speaker 3: sedate somebody, we'd give 100 milligrams. They gave, for the
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Speaker 3: first dose, 5 grams. So, that's 5,000 milligrams. So, 50
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Speaker 3: times what we would give. And then they repeat that
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Speaker 3: for the second dose.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: So, you know, the fact we don't know exactly, but
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Speaker 3: the fact that she's complaining about it kind of burning
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Speaker 3: in her arm a bit, that either could be because
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Speaker 3: you have medicine that concentrated that big of a dose
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Speaker 3: could have been burning in the vein. But it also
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Speaker 3: could be that it was what we call extravasating. It
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Speaker 3: was going out like the vein was leaking out because
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Speaker 3: maybe when they put in the IV, they poke through
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Speaker 3: the other side so that they didn't just poke a
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Speaker 3: hole in the vein going into it.
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Speaker 2: It circumvented the entire vein.
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Speaker 3: Right and typically we can tell pretty easily because what
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Speaker 3: we do is we put the IV in and then
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Speaker 3: we'll see a flash of blood and then we see
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Speaker 3: how easily the blood draws back and if it's in
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Speaker 3: the vein it usually draws back pretty easily and then
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Speaker 3: you flush it with saline And the flush, you know,
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Speaker 3: you get used to what a plunger feels like as
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Speaker 3: you push the IV. It should flush with very little
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Speaker 3: resistance and you get used to that feeling, right? And
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Speaker 3: you notice, okay, that's definitely in the vein. It's just
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Speaker 3: flushing too easily to be pushing against, you know, tissue.
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Speaker 3: So you would think that that's what happened. And we
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Speaker 3: know from the last botched execution that they need two IVs.
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Speaker 3: So they would have done this in two different sites.
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Speaker 3: Because the last botched IV, they couldn't get to IVs.
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Speaker 3: And after hours of trying, that's why they stopped. But
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Speaker 3: in this case, it seems like everything went according to plan.
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Speaker 3: But the way she reacted, she's reacting as if she
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Speaker 3: got a huge dose of a strong sedative under her
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Speaker 3: skin and not in her vein because it did not
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Speaker 3: have the effect that you would expect in literally 100%
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Speaker 3: of people, which is that medication at that dose should
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Speaker 3: shut down your respiratory drive, should shut down your brain
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Speaker 3: so that you're not really experiencing any of this. And
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Speaker 3: she looked pretty somnolent. Apparently she was snoring. So it
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Speaker 3: did kind of shut down her awareness. We don't know
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Speaker 3: how much. Right. Because somebody people are arguing, well, if
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Speaker 3: you're snoring that you don't know, you could be just
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Speaker 3: barely asleep and you're snoring. But that's true when you're
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Speaker 3: not being given medications. If you're snoring because pentobarbital is
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Speaker 3: in your system, it means you're pretty significantly sedated.
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Speaker 2: That's nuts. You know, I'm no stranger to needles being
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Speaker 2: on dialysis and coming from a family of where more
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Speaker 2: than 50% of the children in my family have polycystic
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Speaker 2: renal disease. So being on dialysis, I've seen that I've never,
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Speaker 2: I've always wondered about taking blood. And the fact that
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Speaker 2: you say that you can tell the resistance is fascinating
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Speaker 2: to me just by the resistance as to whether you
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Speaker 2: got it in the vein or whether it permeated the
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Speaker 2: other side or things so you're saying if it doesn't
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Speaker 2: if it doesn't go get into the blood flow through
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Speaker 2: the vein and it pierces the other side and gets
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Speaker 2: into the muscle tissue and the surrounding area it doesn't
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Speaker 2: work the same or it doesn't.
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Speaker 3: Work at all right Yeah, no, it'll have some effect. But,
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Speaker 3: you know, we have different ways of delivering medications, right?
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you'll get a shot in the butt and that
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Speaker 3: goes right into the muscle. And we do that on
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Speaker 3: purpose for antibiotics. We don't want it all to just
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Speaker 3: hit your bloodstream and dissipate. We want it to kind
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Speaker 3: of go slow into your bloodstream. And there's subcutaneous where
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Speaker 3: we inject just under the skin. That's a different way
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Speaker 3: to inject. That's even slower absorption. This would have been
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Speaker 3: probably closer to subcutaneous if it didn't hit the vein.
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Speaker 3: And so it's in the fatty tissue. So anything that
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Speaker 3: is water soluble would have a little bit of a
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Speaker 3: delay kind of getting through the fat layer to be
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Speaker 3: absorbed into the bloodstream. So it would very much slow
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Speaker 3: down the absorption. And but it's still in the system.
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Speaker 3: So at some point, it's either going to get your
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Speaker 3: body has some ability in the tissue to break down
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Speaker 3: this these medications, but it's going to get slowly absorbed.
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Speaker 3: And then if your liver is processing it fast enough,
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Speaker 3: your liver may be processing it faster than you're absorbing it.
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Speaker 3: That's why you wouldn't get the full effect. I would
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Speaker 3: imagine that if she got a partial effect enough that
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Speaker 3: she wasn't breathing adequately, that's going to be the outcome
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Speaker 3: is that she may end up with brain damage from hypoxia,
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Speaker 3: from not having enough oxygen to her brain because she's
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Speaker 3: not breathing. Also, the medication itself at a high enough
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Speaker 3: dose will will suppress your brain activity so much it
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Speaker 3: can literally cause brain damage just the medication itself so
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Speaker 3: i think people are worried that she suffered but i
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Speaker 3: don't i don't think that would be the case.
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Speaker 2: That's too bad uh well stick around i know you're
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Speaker 2: a doctor stick around i have a horrible question to
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Speaker 2: ask you uh after we get some news okay Got it.
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Speaker 2: He's like, well, hey, I'm not handled. I'm not throwing
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Speaker 2: it at you. I'm giving you time to go. Oh,
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Speaker 2: my God. In October. October 2. Yeah. October, man. We're
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Speaker 2: in fall. You can smell the cinnamon. I'd like this.
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Speaker 2: I think you can smell this sunscreen. This pear cobbler
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Speaker 2: the other day.
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Speaker 3: Ooh.
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Speaker 2: I can't smell anything over these pants. That's what you
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Speaker 2: call a callback, ladies and gentlemen. All right, on the
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Speaker 2: phone with us is Dr. Jim Keeney, Chief Medical Officer
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Speaker 2: for Dignity St. Mary Medical Center there in Long Beach,
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Speaker 2: talking about the Krista Pike's botched execution. I know you
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Speaker 2: have the Hippocratic Oath, do no harm. But I have
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Speaker 2: to ask, if you know how to keep someone alive...
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Speaker 2: you know how to make someone dead. And so in
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Speaker 2: this case, I'm asking you, I think we're afraid of
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Speaker 2: doing the most efficient thing because it may sound on
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Speaker 2: paper uglier and that in trying to make this feel
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Speaker 2: like we're putting someone to sleep, we actually cause more problems.
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Speaker 2: What is the most efficient way, i.e. the most humane
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Speaker 2: way for them in this situation to take a human life?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right that there are faster, more.
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Speaker 4: Permanent and, you know, just 100% successful ways, you know,
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Speaker 4: to kill someone that wouldn't have these many problems, but absolutely,
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Speaker 4: they definitely look more barbaric.
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Speaker 3: And so I think, you know, people are interested in
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Speaker 3: staying away from that, right? Or they don't want to
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Speaker 3: become the monster that they are trying to, you know,
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Speaker 3: get rid of. So, yeah, the most efficient way, I think,
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Speaker 3: is to anesthetize someone to death. and that's what they're
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Speaker 3: trying to do. It does seem to me that the
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Speaker 3: weak link in this across the board seems to be
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Speaker 3: the IV access, right? We have a very efficient, quick,
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Speaker 3: easy way. We use it in trauma patients all the
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Speaker 3: time to access the person's bloodstream and that is much
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Speaker 3: closer to 100% reliable, we can take an IV that's
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Speaker 3: a little bit more sturdy and has a little screw
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Speaker 3: on the tip, and we screw it into one of
23:03
Speaker 3: the bones. And now you're into the bone marrow. That
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Speaker 3: actually is a direct connection to your bloodstream. It's almost 100% foolproof.
23:14
Speaker 3: You can do it on your shoulder where you would
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Speaker 3: get a shot in your shoulder, same kind of area.
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Speaker 3: You can do it pretty much anywhere in your femur.
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Speaker 3: You can even do it in the sternum. Uh, and
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Speaker 3: so during say a trauma patient where we're having any
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Speaker 3: trouble getting access to a vein, we will either try
23:31
Speaker 3: and put in a central line, which is more complicated.
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Speaker 3: And they actually tried that in May and we're still
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Speaker 3: unable to get a central line, which is going into
23:39
Speaker 3: like either the neck or underneath the collarbone. So you're
23:42
Speaker 3: trying to get into a main artery in the, in
23:44
Speaker 3: the body. Uh, but this one where it literally looks
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Speaker 3: like a drill, um, It, again, sounds maybe a little
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Speaker 3: bit more barbaric than starting an IV, but it really
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Speaker 3: isn't as far as puncturing through the skin and then
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Speaker 3: getting into the bone. And then now you can just
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Speaker 3: inject anything you want into that bone marrow and it'll work.
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Speaker 2: Especially that we have, and I believe California, I think
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Speaker 2: Oregon is as well, assisted suicide. What are they using?
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Speaker 2: Aren't they doing something similar to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think a lot of it. I don't
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Speaker 3: know the exact medicines that everybody's using for assisted suicide.
24:27
Speaker 3: I've never really been involved with it. But the options are,
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Speaker 3: you know, something like a benzodiazepine, which is like a
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Speaker 3: Valium or that type of thing, Versed. And then they
24:37
Speaker 3: combine that with a narcotic. And we know that combining
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Speaker 3: those two things will make you stop breathing. Now, remember
24:43
Speaker 3: that typically these people are not in good health, which
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Speaker 3: is why we are allowing assisted suicide drugs. And so
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Speaker 3: it doesn't take much, right, a few minutes of not
24:54
Speaker 3: taking in the full amount of oxygen you need, and
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Speaker 3: they die pretty quickly a lot of the times. So
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Speaker 3: it's probably a little bit easier. And it's– a lot
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Speaker 3: of them, again, it's probably being– I don't know who's
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Speaker 3: putting in these IVs. I'm really wondering the level of
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Speaker 3: experience that they have.
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Speaker 2: That's what Anne and I were talking about. Anne brought
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Speaker 2: that up and said, why– she goes, I see– Doctors
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Speaker 2: and nurses take blood all the time and put in IVs.
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Speaker 3: I don't think because both doctors and nurses kind of
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Speaker 3: have a Hippocratic oath against participating in these things. So
25:29
Speaker 3: we don't. So I'm wondering, I don't know who they
25:32
Speaker 3: get to start these IVs, but I'm telling you, you
25:34
Speaker 3: put a Black & Decker drill in their hand with
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Speaker 3: one of these, you know, needles that goes into the bone.
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Speaker 3: It's easy. I could teach you. I could teach you
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Speaker 3: how to do it in about 30 seconds and you
25:44
Speaker 3: would get it. All right.
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Speaker 2: We'll do it over lunch. Yeah. These two fellows walked
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Speaker 2: into the restaurant with a Black & Decker and I'm
25:55
Speaker 2: not sure what and some rubber body. Well, I just
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Speaker 2: I know it was a lot to ask of you
26:02
Speaker 2: and you're walking that line. And, you know, I'm glad
26:05
Speaker 2: you're on the good side of things. But there I
26:08
Speaker 2: just think we have a fear because of Hollywood and
26:11
Speaker 2: everything else. We have a fear of things that look
26:13
Speaker 2: scary or sound scary like that's bad. Yeah. you know,
26:19
Speaker 2: automatic weapons. Well, you can have one that looks like
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Speaker 2: this big, scary one, or you can have a handheld,
26:24
Speaker 2: you know, sidearm and one looks scarier than the other,
26:27
Speaker 2: but they'll both kill you dead. And, and I think
26:31
Speaker 2: we get kind of caught up in these things. And sometimes,
26:34
Speaker 2: you know, I brought this up yesterday, you know, 1977
26:36
Speaker 2: Star Wars came out, you know, the last guillotine execution
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Speaker 2: in France was the same year. Isn't that crazy?
26:45
Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: It's nuts.
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Speaker 2: It's like it really puts in perspective how things have
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Speaker 2: changed over the years. But it's like I bet you
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Speaker 2: that's a pretty clean way to go, too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we still do firing squads. Yes.
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Speaker 2: And you can ask for them. Yeah, you can ask
27:02
Speaker 2: for them, which is what I would do. I'd rather
27:05
Speaker 2: I'd much rather. get a pop. But once you, whenever
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Speaker 2: you have, you know, you drill my teeth. It'll be cooler, right?
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Speaker 3: Because you would ask for a cigarette even though you
27:13
Speaker 3: don't smoke. Yeah, exactly. And you do the whole, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm all, that stuff will kill you. But anyways, if,
27:21
Speaker 2: and then lastly, if Handel ever, God forbid, gets to
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Speaker 2: the point where he wants assisted suicide, please do it,
27:28
Speaker 2: but tell me. And then what I'll do is you'll
27:30
Speaker 2: just give him something light that puts him out. And
27:33
Speaker 2: when he wakes up, I'll fill the room with like
27:35
Speaker 2: a fog machine and I'll dress up as Jesus. So
27:39
Speaker 2: when he comes to, I'm like, sorry, buddy, you were wrong.
27:44
Speaker 2: Just for some fun. Come on. And then when he goes,
27:48
Speaker 2: what the hell are you guys? Then I'll shoot him.
27:51
Speaker 2: I kid, I kid. All right, doc. Thanks for your expertise.
27:56
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Dr.
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Speaker 2: Jim Keeney, Chief Medical Officer for Dignity St. Mary Medical
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Speaker 2: Center in Long Beach. Have a great day, Doc. I
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Speaker 2: appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 3: You too. Bye-bye.
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