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Sharri | 6 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: We're coming up on tonight's show. The Boss of Azio
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Speaker 3: issues a rare rebuke to the Iranian ambassador. I'll bring
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Speaker 3: you this exclusive story and it comes as an Iranian
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Speaker 3: attack on Israel is imminent.
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Speaker 2: The Macarata Commission.
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Speaker 3: Is the Albanezy government going to move forward with it
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Speaker 3: or not?
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Speaker 2: Just Enterprise will join.
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Speaker 3: Me live for her take on the PM's latest blunder,
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Speaker 3: and we'll cross to the US where Kamala Harris is
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Speaker 3: attempting to undergo a major reinvention with ninety days to
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Speaker 3: spare until America votes. But first tonight, I want to
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Speaker 3: start with the economy. RBA Governor Michelle Bullock has ruled
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Speaker 3: out a rate cut in the next six months, saying
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Speaker 3: inflation has been more persistent than expected. In part, she
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Speaker 3: blamed high government spending and low productivity for the need
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Speaker 3: to keep rates higher for longer.
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Speaker 4: We're coming out of an extraordinary period of massive supply shocks,
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Speaker 4: a new zero cash rate back in twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 4: massive physical support for the economy, all part of the
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Speaker 4: pandemic and the pandemic response. And it's not surprising really
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Speaker 4: that it's taking time for things to stabilize a bit.
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Speaker 4: What we can say is that a near term reduction
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Speaker 4: in the cash rate doesn't align with the board's current thinking.
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Speaker 3: Up until this week, the economic conversation has centered on
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Speaker 3: the number of rate rises needed to curb inflation. But
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Speaker 3: now the very real risk of recession in the United
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Speaker 3: States has changed the debate from not only controlling inflation.
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Speaker 2: But to carefully avoiding a recession.
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Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Chalmers has spoken for some time about the
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Speaker 3: narrow path between not crushing our economy whilst still bringing
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Speaker 3: inflation under control, and his want that the balance of
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Speaker 3: risk is shifting in our economy.
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Speaker 5: We've said around budget time, before that and since then,
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Speaker 5: just how important it is that we recognize the balance
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Speaker 5: of risks in our economy, domestic and international, our growth
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Speaker 5: and inflation. And it's just as important now as it's
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Speaker 5: ever been.
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Speaker 3: Well, many economists locally have looked to the US for guidance,
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Speaker 3: and they were highly critical of the IBA for not
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Speaker 3: tackling inflation fast enough with earlier rate hikes. Interest rates
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Speaker 3: in the US are higher than ours at five point
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Speaker 3: five percent compared to our four point three five percent,
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Speaker 3: so Australia took a less aggressive approach in curbing inflation
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Speaker 3: so as not to crush growth, and while the future
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Speaker 3: CPI data is.
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Speaker 2: Uncertain, at the moment, it.
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Speaker 3: Looks like Australia's path out of the global inflation.
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Speaker 2: Crisis may have been better than in the US.
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Speaker 3: The Treasurer today said that the concerns of a US
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Speaker 3: recession show that Australia's economic plan to fight inflation without
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Speaker 3: plunging US into recession is the more responsible path to
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Speaker 3: have taken.
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Speaker 5: We are confident about the Australian economy. We are confident
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Speaker 5: we can continue to see inflation moderate. We're confident that
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Speaker 5: we can continue to grow. But this is a really
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Speaker 5: important warning against complacency.
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Speaker 3: And Chalmers claimed his measures had in fact taken half
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Speaker 3: a percentage point of inflation. But Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor
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Speaker 3: seized on the RBA's concerns about government spending and low productivity.
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Speaker 1: Our inflation is stuck at a persistent level around four percent,
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Speaker 1: and as I said, the Reserve Bank is seeing that
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Speaker 1: inflation staying higher for longer than its previous forecasts back
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Speaker 1: in May. It is clear that inflation is running the economy,
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Speaker 1: not the government.
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Speaker 3: So while the main discussion point has been whether rates
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Speaker 3: would have to rise this year, and some economists have
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Speaker 3: even predicted up to three rate hikes, it is possible
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Speaker 3: that the next move we see will be an interst
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Speaker 3: rate drop, and that's the prediction of Deloitte Access Economics
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Speaker 3: partner Stephen Smith. He said it is now looking increasingly
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Speaker 3: certain that the next move and the cash rate will
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Speaker 3: be down, not up, with the RBA clearly concerned that
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Speaker 3: its quest to stamp out inflation might derail an emerging recovery,
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Speaker 3: he said, with inflation trending down a week Australian economy
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Speaker 3: and rising volatility in global markets, Australia needs an environment
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Speaker 3: where business can invest for growth.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: Herald's Sun Business legend Terry mccran will be on tonight
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Speaker 3: just in a minute to break this down, but he
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Speaker 3: says the RBA shouldn't be raising rates and that today's
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Speaker 3: decision to hold was the right one. He says, yes,
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Speaker 3: our own jobless numbers and other indicators like those from
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Speaker 3: SEKH suggests our economy might be close to snapping and
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Speaker 3: there is absolutely no case, he says, for a rate hike. Well,
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Speaker 3: it's true the growth in our economy is weak and consumption.
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Speaker 2: Is down a little, but employment remains strong.
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Speaker 3: If we start to see weaker jobs numbers, then there
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Speaker 3: will be cause for alarm. And the inflation battle is
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Speaker 3: far from over, as Michelle Bullock stressed today, and even
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Speaker 3: Charmers admits, inflation is persistent and stubborn. And inflation rose
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Speaker 3: one percent in the June quarter in Australia, but in
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Speaker 3: the US it only went up by zero point two percent. Now,
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Speaker 3: this is all sparking a debate about migration.
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Speaker 2: Internally, in the Labor Party, there's a.
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Speaker 3: Big political push to slash the high migration number and
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Speaker 3: stop the government's big Australia, but those concerned about the
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Speaker 3: economy are unlikely to support a migration cut ahead of
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Speaker 3: what is looking like a dicey next.
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Speaker 2: Twelve months in the global economy.
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Speaker 3: We are already in a per capita recession in Australia
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Speaker 3: and the reality is if the immigration levels hadn't been
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Speaker 3: so high, we would absolutely be in a recession now.
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Speaker 2: Internally in the.
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Speaker 3: Labor Party there's already some resistance to cutting the migration rate.
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Speaker 3: This isn't about the cost of living crisis of costs
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Speaker 3: for Albanese.
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Speaker 2: It's about politics.
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Speaker 3: If the US plunges into a recession, an Australia manages
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Speaker 3: to avoid one thanks to the narrow path Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 3: is taking along with the high migration numbers.
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Speaker 2: Well, this will be good.
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Speaker 3: News for the Albanese government ahead of an election. A
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Speaker 3: rate cut early next year would be the prime minister's
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Speaker 3: dream ahead of an election campaign that could kick off
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Speaker 3: in early April.
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Speaker 2: Well for more.
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Speaker 3: Expert analysis on this now, I'm joined by business columnist
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Speaker 3: Terry mccran. Terry, great to see you again and thanks
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Speaker 3: for joining US. Economists have been pushing for an interest
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Speaker 3: to rate cut. We've heard many call for that, but
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Speaker 3: Michelle Bullock today made it absolutely clear that a cut
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Speaker 3: isn't on the cards anytime soon. No time in the
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Speaker 3: next six months, which probably puts the first potential rate
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Speaker 3: cut in the first quarter of next year.
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Speaker 7: Which might work out quite well for the government if
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Speaker 7: it has an election in the normal course. Sherry, But
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Speaker 7: I thought, looking at Jim Chalmers's comments today, I thought
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Speaker 7: I saw signs of fear in those eyes of his
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Speaker 7: where he really thought that there's a prospect that rather
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Speaker 7: than get a rate cut, as you move into the
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Speaker 7: election campaign, you might actually face a rate high. I think, Chris,
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Speaker 7: I think we can be very thankful to Michelle Bollock.
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Speaker 7: She was absolutely crystal clear in describing the state of play,
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Speaker 7: and that was inflation is too high. There was absolutely
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Speaker 7: no prospect of a rate cut anytime soon, and the
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Speaker 7: Reserve Bank was looking seriously at hiking rates today and
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Speaker 7: we'll keep that possibility on the table going forward. Now
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Speaker 7: there anything that's going to save us from a ray hike.
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Speaker 7: Charity is if the economy does go over that cliff,
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Speaker 7: and that's not exactly an attractive prospect.
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Speaker 3: On the other hand, no, absolutely, Look, we heard the
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Speaker 3: Treasurer today.
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Speaker 2: I argue that he's.
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Speaker 3: Successfully walking this narrow path avoiding a recession, unlike the
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Speaker 3: very real risk in the US at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Do you give him credit for this?
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Speaker 7: I give him zero credit for a shary because and
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Speaker 7: I think the Reserve Bank hit has quite a moment,
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Speaker 7: so we'll also give him zero credit for it because
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Speaker 7: the government is the one that's causing the difficulties. The
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Speaker 7: government the one, as you've indicated, Cherry, with that massive
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Speaker 7: immigration program, which is force you up rents, forcing up
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Speaker 7: the cost of living, putting great stress on Australian families.
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Speaker 7: What the government's done with energy prices. Everybody understand what's
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Speaker 7: happening as a consequence of that, what it's done in
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Speaker 7: the industrial relations space, where it's making very hard to
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Speaker 7: get productivity improvements. All those things are not only making
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Speaker 7: life tough for Australians and for business, it's also making
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Speaker 7: it tough for the Reserve Bank to think about cutting
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Speaker 7: rates anytime soon. So the buck stops precisely at Jim
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Speaker 7: Chalmers's desk. He's not the guy that's delivering some sort
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Speaker 7: of benefit. He's making life tough for everyone.
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Speaker 3: What did you think about the IBA governor's comments when
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Speaker 3: she spoke about government spending being an issue. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's quite rare for her to say that, isn't it.
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Speaker 7: Well absolutely, I mean it's because it's just the basic
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Speaker 7: reality cherry that the numb if the government is adding
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Speaker 7: to demand, and demand is the problem. There's too much
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Speaker 7: demand chasing what's produced in the economy. That's what causes inflation. Well,
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Speaker 7: then you know the government is part of that problem,
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Speaker 7: but that's only a small part of it. And she
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Speaker 7: didn't want to get into a direct assault on the government,
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Speaker 7: and she doesn't want it, certainly doesn't want to get
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Speaker 7: you a situation where she's got to put up rates
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Speaker 7: precisely because the government is creating the problem.
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Speaker 3: All right, Terry mccran, you always are spot on and
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Speaker 3: have such brilliant analysis. We appreciate you joining us on
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Speaker 3: your show and look forward to reading more in the
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Speaker 3: Herald Sign tomorrow. Now, AZO Boss Mike Burgess has entered
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Speaker 3: the debate about the Iranian ambassador's offensive tweet.
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Speaker 2: Now just to recap.
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Speaker 3: In a post on x, Iran's ambassador, Ahmed Sadagi, referred
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Speaker 3: to Israel as a Zionist plague that he said should
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Speaker 3: be wiped out by Hamas.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at his comments.
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Speaker 3: Here they are, he said, the late leader of Hamas
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Speaker 3: Resistant Movement rectified, wiping out the Zionus plague of the
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Speaker 3: Holy Lance. Now, the alban Eezy government has admitted that
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Speaker 3: these comments are unacceptable and yes they hold in the ambassador,
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Speaker 3: but not at the ministerial level.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 6: We have called in the Iranian ambassador to the Department
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Speaker 6: of Foreign Afairs and Trade. Is the protocol when something
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Speaker 6: like this happens. There's no place for the sword of
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Speaker 6: comments that were made online in social media by the
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Speaker 6: Iranian ambassador. They're a born and they are hateful, they
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Speaker 6: are any Semitic and they have no place.
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Speaker 2: Would shadow.
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Speaker 3: Home Affairs Minister James Patterson said today that if the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister and Penny Wong was serious about this, they
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Speaker 3: could take stronger action, have.
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Speaker 8: A look and so if the government is really concerned
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Speaker 8: about what the ambassador has said, then there are powers
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Speaker 8: of rble to the Minister for Foreign Affairs to make
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Speaker 8: an ambassador persona on Grada and send them home. And
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Speaker 8: it's up to the government and the Foreign Minister to
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Speaker 8: explain if she's not going to use those powers. If
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Speaker 8: she's not going to do so, why isn't she and
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Speaker 8: how bad would it have to get What could they
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Speaker 8: say that would cause her to use that option of
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Speaker 8: able to.
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Speaker 3: Now you might think, oh, it's just a social media post,
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Speaker 3: what's the big deal. Well, the AZO Director General, Mike
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Speaker 3: Burgess told me today just how dangerous this type of
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Speaker 3: language from.
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Speaker 2: The Iranian ambassador is.
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Speaker 3: These are exclusive comments, and he told me the comments
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Speaker 3: were disgraceful and given the current security climate, deeply unhelpful.
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Speaker 3: Inflamed language can inflame emotions an inflame action, he said,
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Speaker 3: I again call on all parties to reflect on the
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Speaker 3: words they use and the impacts they can have. So
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Speaker 3: those exclusive comments from the Boss of ASIO, the top
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Speaker 3: spy agency about the Iranian ambassador, let's bring in now
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Speaker 3: our Tuesday panel former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop
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Speaker 3: and Shadow Housing Minister Michael Sooker.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: Michael, that is a rare rebuke of an ambassador from
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Speaker 3: ASIO from the Boss of Aisio. Do you agree with
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Speaker 3: James Patterson. Do you think Penny Wong and ALBINIZI should
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Speaker 3: have perhaps expelled the Iranian ambassador over these remarks?
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Speaker 9: Well, of course I agree with James Patterson, and one
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Speaker 9: I think can reflect on this, And I suspect one
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Speaker 9: of the motivations for the ambassador on this is that
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Speaker 9: he knows how weak Anthony Albanesi and this government is.
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Speaker 9: The probably made a calculated decision that he would get
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Speaker 9: away with it because they are so weak, as weak
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Speaker 9: as water, And you know, diplomats like that generally make
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Speaker 9: very calculated statements. And I suspect he knew that he
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Speaker 9: would get not so much as a wrap over the knuckle.
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Speaker 9: He got caught into the Department for a cup of tea.
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Speaker 9: Albanezy is so weak and every single day he seems
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Speaker 9: to exceed himself as to how weak he can possibly be.
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Speaker 9: I think this is a clear cutcase. I think, as
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Speaker 9: Simon Birmingham has said, this could amount to incitement under
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Speaker 9: our criminal Code and those are the sorts of things
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Speaker 9: that someone like Mike Burgess doesn't weigh into lightly. And
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Speaker 9: I spect that Mike Burgess has waited into that because
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Speaker 9: he has seen how weak the government's response has been run.
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Speaker 2: What do you think on this?
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Speaker 3: I mean Mike Burgess's intervention here comes when he just
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Speaker 3: yesterday raised the terror threat level to probable. We just
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Speaker 3: heard from Michael Silk of the suggestion that this could
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Speaker 3: be incitement to violence?
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is that dangerous language?
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Speaker 10: Absolutely? But the thing that gets me where is this
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Speaker 10: royal we come from? I am ashamed to have such
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Speaker 10: a coward from our Prime minister at Penny One's way.
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Speaker 10: He should call in the ambassador. He should have been
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Speaker 10: absolutely had the stripped words to him saying you are
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Speaker 10: no longer acceptable in this country. What that man was saying,
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Speaker 10: that ambassador was calling for the genocide of the Jewish nation.
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Speaker 10: That's what he was calling through and you could see
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Speaker 10: Hitler could smile from his grave that he's passed on
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Speaker 10: such hatred. And to think that we get, oh, we
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Speaker 10: called him in to talk to the department, is just appalling.
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Speaker 10: It's just appalling and quite unacceptable is a word that
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Speaker 10: I'm beginning to turn off greatly because it's been robbed
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Speaker 10: of any meaning. What happened today is cowardice, nothing short
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Speaker 10: of the government. And Michael's quite right when he says
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Speaker 10: that the ambassador made a calculated decision that nothing would
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Speaker 10: happen to him and people his confreres and the people
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Speaker 10: of Homas, they would laugh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, indeed, I think your remarks about the Hitler comparison,
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Speaker 3: you know, spot on.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: We all knew this already about the HONRA employees, but
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Speaker 3: big news today because the United Nations officially came out
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Speaker 3: and said that nine employees of UNRA were likely involved
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Speaker 3: in the October seven attacks. United Nations held a press
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Speaker 3: conference but said it had no idea where those nine
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Speaker 3: UNRA staff involved in the October seven attacks are.
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Speaker 2: Now. Have a look, are any of them in Israeli custody?
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Speaker 2: Where are they? Are you there?
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Speaker 11: I don't have a case by case amount of information.
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Speaker 11: I believe that they're not. I believe that they're not
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Speaker 11: people who are currently in custody.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the UN supposedly all concerned about justice, Well
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Speaker 3: where is the justice? Why aren't these people facing a court?
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Speaker 3: They absolutely should well. The Opposition leader Peter Dutton today
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Speaker 3: called on the Albanese government to stop funding this group.
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Speaker 12: It should cause the Aurbanzi government to reconsider their involvement
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Speaker 12: to their engagement, their funding of UNRA. It's completely an
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Speaker 12: utterly unacceptable that a UN agency would have employees involved
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Speaker 12: in or alleged to have been involved in the October
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Speaker 12: seventh tragedy.
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Speaker 3: And these revelations are just the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 3: As we've spoken about on this show before, the links
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Speaker 3: between ANRA and terrorism and extremism and in doctor tranation
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Speaker 3: of children are extensive and date back years.
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Speaker 2: Michael Sika, what do you.
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Speaker 3: Think it says about the Albanzi government that this has
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Speaker 3: emerged big press conference and they're still happy to send
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Speaker 3: millions and millions and millions and millions of our hard earned,
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Speaker 3: taxpaid dollars to this group that has been linked to terrorism.
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Speaker 9: It's disgusting. It's beyond belief. You know, weakness is a
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Speaker 9: theme I think tonight in critiquing the governments. How weak
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Speaker 9: is Anthony Albanesi and this government? And it's disgusting because
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Speaker 9: we've sent sixty million dollars of Australian taxpayers money over
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Speaker 9: there that he's funding. Quite frankly people who have been
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Speaker 9: terrorists and presumably have only we're only able to participate
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Speaker 9: in terrorist as because they are on the under a
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Speaker 9: payroll and sadly Australian taxpayers dollars have contributed to that organization.
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Speaker 9: So Anthony ll needs he's asking Australians to get up
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Speaker 9: every morning, work hard, take more of their paypacket in
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Speaker 9: order to ship it over to NRA so they can
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Speaker 9: employ people to be part of a terrorist organization. It
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Speaker 9: is just beyond belief. You almost laugh if it wasn't
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Speaker 9: such a serious topic, because this is a clear cutcase
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Speaker 9: as the US is quite rightly done where you cut
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Speaker 9: off the funding. Now Anthony Alberanezi needs to explain what
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Speaker 9: does he know that the United States doesn't know? What's
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Speaker 9: his intelligence that the United States doesn't have because they've
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Speaker 9: cut off the funding. He's reinstated the funding. And let's
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Speaker 9: always remember, Sharry, this is not Anthony Albanese's money. He's
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Speaker 9: using Australia as taxpayers money. It's in our name money
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Speaker 9: being sent over to anra who I think, in the
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Speaker 9: full light of day, will be shown to have employed
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Speaker 9: people who were up to their necks in this absolute atrocity.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: And Bronwin, you know what's even work is that initially
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Speaker 3: the government paused funding, but they didn't even wait for
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Speaker 3: the investigation before recommencing it again.
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Speaker 10: Well, Pennywong has showed herself to have made some made
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Speaker 10: decision on which side she backs, and she's backing the
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Speaker 10: Palestinians and she doesn't care about what happens to the
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Speaker 10: Israeli citizens, Otherwise she would cut the funding. America has
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Speaker 10: ensured that the funding is not being renewed. But honestly
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Speaker 10: and truly, when you see that the United Nations has
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Speaker 10: become so self righteous about so many issues, why aren't
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Speaker 10: these nine people being referred to the International Criminal Court?
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Speaker 10: Why aren't they being prosecuted exactly? Why aren't they being
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Speaker 10: hearded up and kept I mean it just makes a
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Speaker 10: joke of it.
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Speaker 3: Where are they now? Are they in Gaza? Are they
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Speaker 3: still working with harms? I mean there's a lot you'll
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Speaker 3: need to know about.
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Speaker 10: This well and look at the amount of money that's
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Speaker 10: at stake. It is said that agency has thirty thousand
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Speaker 10: employees doing what doing good?
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Speaker 2: Question? Good question?
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Speaker 3: Now a bit of a change of pace now the
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Speaker 3: New South Wales and Victorian governments are at odds over
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Speaker 3: whether public service employees should.
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Speaker 2: Be forced back into the office.
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Speaker 3: New South I was Premier Chris Mins publicly said today
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Speaker 3: that he thought it was bizarre Victoria wasn't asking their
21:27
Speaker 3: employees to get back to work after what were quite
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Speaker 3: extreme COVID restrictions.
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Speaker 13: Have a look, I've seen the Victorian government, not New
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Speaker 13: South Wales for this change. We're not for changing. We
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Speaker 13: think it's important for the public service in New South Wales.
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Speaker 13: And at the end of the day, frankly, with all
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Speaker 13: of the lockdowns in Melbourne, I would have thought a
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Speaker 13: lot of people in Victoria would be desperate to get
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Speaker 13: out of the house.
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Speaker 3: The Allen government in Victoria said that any public servants
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Speaker 3: from New South Wales who wanted workplace flexibility should move
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Speaker 3: to Victoria. Michael Suko, you know you live in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: What did you think of this response from Victoria.
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Speaker 9: Well, there were smart alec words from a premier who's
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Speaker 9: basically running an insolvent government. Let's be frankier, and the
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Speaker 9: premier has been a part of every single decision, wayful
22:19
Speaker 9: decision that has led Victoria to the position wherein now.
22:23
Speaker 9: I think the Premier of New South Wales has made
22:26
Speaker 9: a pretty self evident call today in many respects that
22:30
Speaker 9: follows what the corporate world is already doing. And I
22:33
Speaker 9: think the truth is of public servants, they are there
22:37
Speaker 9: to serve the public good and the vast majority of
22:40
Speaker 9: them want to do so, but they need some leadership.
22:43
Speaker 9: And this sort of smart alec line from the Victorian premier,
22:49
Speaker 9: I mean they are the worst performing government in this
22:51
Speaker 9: country behind Anthony Albanese's government. So she doesn't exactly have
22:56
Speaker 9: a place occupy a place where she should be giving
23:01
Speaker 9: advice to any other state, let alone sort of smart
23:05
Speaker 9: lines like that. This is sadly Victoria a government that's
23:09
Speaker 9: seeing business leave our state, investment leave our state, and
23:15
Speaker 9: on so many metrics, Victoria which occupied and I'm a
23:21
Speaker 9: very parochial Victorian, but Victoria which occupied the upper echelon
23:25
Speaker 9: of virtually every single economic statistic in this country is
23:29
Speaker 9: now right at the bottom of the ladder, and I
23:31
Speaker 9: would have thought someone like the Victorian premier will try
23:34
Speaker 9: and take some advice and look at what other states
23:37
Speaker 9: are doing. Quite frankly, other states that are doing much
23:40
Speaker 9: better than Victoria and are not in the parlas financial
23:43
Speaker 9: situation that we're in, which is basically bankrupt.
23:49
Speaker 3: Look aside from the budget bottom line run when I
23:52
Speaker 3: think Chris Men's is showing time and time again that
23:56
Speaker 3: he is the model of what a centrist lay politician
24:00
Speaker 3: should look like. I mean, whatever the issue is, he
24:04
Speaker 3: mostly takes a very mainstream, sensible standpoint.
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Speaker 10: I don't think I can endorse him on everything, but
24:11
Speaker 10: I can certainly do so on this issue. I think
24:14
Speaker 10: he's realized there is no productivity growth that he's decided
24:19
Speaker 10: that he's going to insist there be some. And Michael,
24:22
Speaker 10: I feel very sorry for you down there with Victoria
24:24
Speaker 10: having to live there appalling government. It's a basket case.
24:28
Speaker 2: And everyone watching who's in Melbourne.
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Speaker 10: And everyone watching indeed indeed, and you don't deserve it,
24:34
Speaker 10: but you really have to vote them out to get
24:36
Speaker 10: a change. But if you go back to this question
24:38
Speaker 10: of productivity. Generally there is none while there's work from home.
24:44
Speaker 10: He's become such a norm. People say, oh, you can't
24:47
Speaker 10: go back, Well, yes you can, and indeed peritate today
24:51
Speaker 10: coming out and saying that mandatory vaccinations were wrong. Finally
25:00
Speaker 10: a mission about how we're induced into the myths that
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Speaker 10: has followed COVID. We're still not over it, we're still
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Speaker 10: suffering from it.
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Speaker 2: He didn't come out and publicly say that, of course
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Speaker 2: at the time. We're not at the time.
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Speaker 3: You said it today the day indeed, all right, Michael Silko,
25:16
Speaker 3: Brahma Bishop.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you both on the show. Thank you.
25:20
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, just Center Price will join
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Speaker 3: us live to unload on alban Easy's Macarata confession plus
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Speaker 3: Facebook censorship of the now famous photograph of Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: right after the assassination attempt.
25:34
Speaker 2: You won't believe Meta's excuse.
25:37
Speaker 3: That's all coming up, Welcome back with the Prime Minister
25:44
Speaker 3: has been accused of backtracking on an election promise to
25:48
Speaker 3: create a Macarata commission, one of the key pillars of
25:52
Speaker 3: the earliery statement from the heart. The confusion came after
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Speaker 3: this awkward response on the ABC over the weekend.
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Speaker 12: One of the architects of the Ularuz Statement, Pat Anderson,
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Speaker 12: says that you should be embarking on a truth and justice.
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Speaker 8: Commission, and you're saying it's not that.
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Speaker 14: That's not what you're going to do.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's not what we have proposed. What we're proposed
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Speaker 6: is Makarada just being the idea of coming together.
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Speaker 2: So it's talking about that's what we want to do.
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Speaker 2: We're engaging.
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Speaker 6: Being here is a starting point.
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Speaker 3: And it's made the news eversets over the years, Albanezi
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Speaker 3: has been adamant that his government will commit to the
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Speaker 3: statement in full.
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Speaker 6: And on behalf of the Australian Labor Party. I commit
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Speaker 6: to the ULARUS Statement from the heart and whole, and
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Speaker 6: I recommit on behalf of the government that I proudly
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Speaker 6: lead to the implementation of the Ularuz Statement from the
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Speaker 6: heart in full. And I'm proud to lead a government
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Speaker 6: that's committed to implementing the ULARUS Statement from the heart
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Speaker 6: in full.
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Speaker 3: And Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians just Enterprice joins us.
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Speaker 2: Now, just great to see you.
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Speaker 3: Look do you think this was an unclear answer of
27:10
Speaker 3: Alberizi's odd Do you think it is a broken promise.
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Speaker 15: Oh look, it's absolutely a broken promise from Anthony Alberanzi.
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Speaker 15: He's demonstrated many broken promises over and over again. You know,
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Speaker 15: he's quite competent at breaking promises, it seems. But look,
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Speaker 15: I mean he's at odds with his Minister for Indigenous Australians,
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Speaker 15: who I know, at the last Senate estimates told us
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Speaker 15: that they would be pursuing makarata form of truth telling commission.
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Speaker 15: She also said that recently. So I'm not sure who
27:45
Speaker 15: he thinks is running the portfolio, whether it's himself or
27:50
Speaker 15: it's the Minister herself. But again, this is our prime
27:55
Speaker 15: minister unclear on many things.
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Speaker 3: And do you personally think that there is a case
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Speaker 3: for a Macaraatei commission?
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Speaker 2: And if not, what do you think the issues are?
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Speaker 15: Look the term macarata, and that's another thing the Prime
28:10
Speaker 15: Minister has to get that right. The term macarata actually
28:13
Speaker 15: means it's.
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Speaker 2: A form of payback. It's a spearing in the leg.
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Speaker 15: It's not a coming together as he likes to suggest
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Speaker 15: it is. So I don't like the concept behind it,
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Speaker 15: which tells me, you know, is this a commission that
28:25
Speaker 15: will would be set up by the Labor government to
28:28
Speaker 15: again hold responsible non Indigenous Australians for our country's history.
28:34
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in real.
28:37
Speaker 15: Educational outcomes for all of Australia's young people, and if
28:42
Speaker 15: that means teaching history in its entirety, the good, the bad,
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Speaker 15: the ugly, everything, not for the purposes of weaponizing it
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Speaker 15: against our country, but to have a better understanding of
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Speaker 15: who we are, I'm all for that, but I'm not
28:55
Speaker 15: up for this commission that they're suggesting.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you get this so that the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: has all but abandoned Indigenous policy after the failure of
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Speaker 3: the Voice. He doesn't speak about it anymore. He spoke
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Speaker 3: about it virtually every day for the best part of
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Speaker 3: the year, and now it does seem like his lost interest.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 15: Look, the Prime Minister has failed miserably when it's come
29:21
Speaker 15: to addressing the needs of our most disadvantaged.
29:25
Speaker 2: He didn't have any ideas to begin with.
29:27
Speaker 15: He put all these eggs in one basket and the
29:30
Speaker 15: very expensive referendum that he could have invested where it
29:35
Speaker 15: is needed. He talks about touching down and listening. Well,
29:39
Speaker 15: he's got to get out of Gama. He's got to
29:42
Speaker 15: get out of Ulara. When he visits Ulara, he's got
29:45
Speaker 15: to go out to remote communities. He should come back
29:49
Speaker 15: to Alice Springs and go to some town camps. The
29:51
Speaker 15: situation has not improved on the ground, but he goes
29:56
Speaker 15: to where it's easy for him to grandstand, which is
29:58
Speaker 15: Gama every year and do very little. But he knows
30:02
Speaker 15: he'll get very little pushback from those that attend Garma.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we're coming up to an election probably in
30:08
Speaker 3: the next nine or ten months. If you were Indigenous
30:12
Speaker 3: Affairs minister, what are the first thing you do from
30:14
Speaker 3: a policy perspective.
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Speaker 15: Well, several times already I've attempted to pass a motion
30:22
Speaker 15: in the Senate to launch an inquiry into land councils
30:24
Speaker 15: and statutory authorities, those who are funded who have the
30:28
Speaker 15: responsibility to improve the lives of our most marginalized, so
30:31
Speaker 15: that we can better know where the money is being misspent,
30:36
Speaker 15: you know, where it's not actually providing outcomes.
30:39
Speaker 2: And each time we've.
30:40
Speaker 15: Put this motion up, the Labor Government and the Greens
30:44
Speaker 15: have voted it down for what reason, I do not know.
30:47
Speaker 15: And if Minister Melanderry McCarthy is serious about taking a
30:50
Speaker 15: bipartisan position, then she would support efforts to vote in
30:55
Speaker 15: favor of an inquiry to begin with, so we know
30:58
Speaker 15: where to invest money that will actually produce outcomes.
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Speaker 2: But we also need a rural.
31:05
Speaker 15: Commission into the sexual abuse of Indigenous children.
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Speaker 2: You know, we talk about.
31:10
Speaker 15: High rates of youth incarceration, of incarceration. The reason we've
31:15
Speaker 15: got that is because our kids experience the highest rates
31:18
Speaker 15: of sexual abuse and neglecting the country. And if we
31:21
Speaker 15: don't address that, we're not going to get further upstream
31:24
Speaker 15: and reduce rates of incarceration, suicide and everything else.
31:27
Speaker 2: Whether the gap is greatest a.
31:30
Speaker 3: Lot to do for sure, if you do get the
31:32
Speaker 3: opportunity to be Indigenous Affairs Minister Disent Deprice.
31:35
Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show again. Thank you.
31:38
Speaker 3: Now still to come Keir Starmer facing accusations of hypocrisy
31:42
Speaker 3: over the riots that have rocked the UK and why
31:46
Speaker 3: did Facebook censor the photograph of the Donald Trump assassination attempt?
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Speaker 2: All of that coming up next. Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's turn to the UK now, which is still
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Speaker 3: in the throes of deep social unrest and violent anti
32:03
Speaker 3: immigration riots that have rocked parts of England for the
32:06
Speaker 3: past week. The protests have provided a major challenge to
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Speaker 3: the new Prime Minister, Kiir Starmer, who has called on
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Speaker 3: a standing army of police.
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Speaker 2: To deal with the disorder.
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Speaker 3: Things have got so extreme that even Australians have been
32:21
Speaker 3: advised to exercise a high degree of caution in the
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Speaker 3: UK due to the threat of terrorism. Well, I'm joined
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Speaker 3: now by Tom Slater, editor of Spiked. Tom, thank you
32:31
Speaker 3: very much for your time. Look, these riots were sparked
32:36
Speaker 3: in part by the horrific stabbing of three young girls.
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Speaker 2: How have they taken off since then?
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Speaker 14: Well, as you say, that was the thing that lit
32:46
Speaker 14: the flame, I think that was the excuse that a
32:48
Speaker 14: lot of these thugs chose to use, chose to jump on,
32:51
Speaker 14: to commit the carnage that we've seen across the country.
32:54
Speaker 14: But it's spread very organically, very alarmingly, first across the
32:58
Speaker 14: North and the Midlands, now parts of the South well,
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Speaker 14: and it's something that quite clearly the authorities don't really
33:03
Speaker 14: have a handle on. I think Kir Starmer's most to
33:06
Speaker 14: make a horrendous situation much worse. He's managed to essentially
33:12
Speaker 14: fuel the kind of the narrative put out by a
33:14
Speaker 14: lot of the hard right agitators that this is two
33:16
Speaker 14: tier policing, that they are coming down hard on protesters
33:21
Speaker 14: but not on counter protests and so on, when it
33:23
Speaker 14: would have been so easy for him to make clear
33:24
Speaker 14: that all forms of crime and disorder would be condemned.
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Speaker 14: And I think that's the real, really disheartening thing in
33:31
Speaker 14: the UK at the moment, is there's no clear sense
33:33
Speaker 14: that anyone is really in control at this point.
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Speaker 3: Look, initially we were seeing you know, fire right anti
33:40
Speaker 3: immigration protesters leading the social mayhem and the violence here,
33:45
Speaker 3: but we've also been seeing footage of other groups joining
33:49
Speaker 3: in the violence, you know, pro Palestinians and others in masks.
33:53
Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt played some of that footage a bit earlier.
33:56
Speaker 3: So it seems like this is just complete social line
34:00
Speaker 3: that's now breaking loose on the street. Is that an
34:02
Speaker 3: accurate depiction of what's happening in the UK?
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Speaker 14: Absolutely? And of course the kind of response that we've
34:09
Speaker 14: seen from groups of British Muslims, Islamist activists and so
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Speaker 14: on has been nowhere near the same scale. I mean
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Speaker 14: of what the kind of racist writing that we've seen,
34:17
Speaker 14: which has been targeting migrant hotels, has been smashing up
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Speaker 14: minority businesses, has been a costing ethnic minorities in the street.
34:23
Speaker 14: We've seen nothing on the scale of that, but what
34:25
Speaker 14: we saw in say Birmingham last night when you had
34:28
Speaker 14: groups of young Muslim youth wearing balaclava's harassing, intimidating press.
34:33
Speaker 14: They chase an LBC journalists out of the area, They
34:35
Speaker 14: tried to slash the tires of a sky News UK crew.
34:39
Speaker 14: There was also footage of them beating up someone outside
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Speaker 14: of a pub, which kind of community elders have since
34:45
Speaker 14: apologized for. And even though as I say, it is
34:48
Speaker 14: on a smaller scale, it shows that things are spinning
34:50
Speaker 14: out of control, and worse still, there's a sense that
34:52
Speaker 14: from the Labor Party they struggled to condemn or take
34:55
Speaker 14: seriously that behavior, which again fuels this narrative that this
34:59
Speaker 14: is a two tier policing. We even saw the local
35:02
Speaker 14: Birmingham Labor MP there effectively tried to basically talk down
35:06
Speaker 14: what been going on there last night. So, as you say,
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Speaker 14: what's things aren't on the same scale of the racist
35:10
Speaker 14: writing that we've seen. It's a sign that British societies
35:14
Speaker 14: is threatening to kind of come apart not just in
35:16
Speaker 14: one area or one community.
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Speaker 2: Across many Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Look the violence is shocking and terrifying and even a
35:23
Speaker 3: travel warning to Australians. Tom Slater, thank you very much
35:26
Speaker 3: for your time. Now, Facebook has come out of fire
35:30
Speaker 3: for censoring the now iconic photograph our former president at
35:34
Speaker 3: Donald Trump right after the assassination attempt. Users were complaining
35:39
Speaker 3: that their Facebook accounts were categorizing the image as altered,
35:43
Speaker 3: with an explanation then saying independent fact checkers reviewed a
35:47
Speaker 3: similar photo and said it was altered in a way
35:49
Speaker 3: that could mislead people, and Meta has tried to defend
35:54
Speaker 3: this well. To discuss, let's bring in now the CEO
35:57
Speaker 3: of Libernette, Andrew Lowenthal. Andrew, great to have you in
36:01
Speaker 3: Australia once again. So look, we are seeing the odd
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Speaker 3: censorship and it does seem to be growing of big
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Speaker 3: tech over Donald Trump. What was Facebook's response to this
36:14
Speaker 3: censoring of the most iconic photograph to come out of
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Speaker 3: what was now a very historic event.
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Speaker 16: Sure, well, apparently there was another photograph that was circulating
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Speaker 16: that was doctored, and the AI system and other systems
36:31
Speaker 16: they were using to identify what they've considered false information
36:34
Speaker 16: flag this one up as well. Obviously this image is
36:37
Speaker 16: so iconic now that you would probably expect, kind of
36:41
Speaker 16: with the resources that a Facebook has for them to
36:43
Speaker 16: be much more on top of this kind of thing.
36:45
Speaker 16: And given the lack of trust that has developed through
36:49
Speaker 16: things that have been exposed through the Twitter files or
36:51
Speaker 16: other kind of investigations that you know, big tech is considered,
36:56
Speaker 16: you know, or seen by many many people as been
36:58
Speaker 16: really quite quite partisanates. So you don't really want to
37:01
Speaker 16: kind of be messing this level of stuff.
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Speaker 3: And I should have mentioned to everyone that you were
37:06
Speaker 3: part of the Twitter files. You were part of the
37:08
Speaker 3: investigative investigative journalists along with Michael Schallenberger and Barry Reese
37:13
Speaker 3: who went into Twitter and uncovered the evidence of what
37:17
Speaker 3: they'd been censoring right after Elon Musk brought it, So
37:21
Speaker 3: I should have mentioned that.
37:22
Speaker 2: But we've also seen.
37:23
Speaker 3: From Google, you know, a censoring of the search results
37:26
Speaker 3: for the Donald Trump assassination attempt as well. So do
37:29
Speaker 3: you think this is part of that same pattern that
37:32
Speaker 3: you saw when you went into Twitter?
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Speaker 16: Oh, I mean, obviously we don't one hundred percent no,
37:36
Speaker 16: because there's no kind of specific receipts to explain to
37:39
Speaker 16: us why that has happened. There's a certain level of
37:42
Speaker 16: plausible deniability, but again, the trust is broken down so much,
37:46
Speaker 16: I think by a huge way of not just the
37:48
Speaker 16: American public, but the public at large in you know,
37:52
Speaker 16: are these big tear companies really properly managing what is
37:56
Speaker 16: now essentially the public square. It seems they're doing really
37:59
Speaker 16: quiet a bad job of it, and a lot of
38:01
Speaker 16: people feel censored because there really was quite a lot
38:03
Speaker 16: of censorship going on and still is really so there
38:07
Speaker 16: needs to be a lot more alternatives. There needs to
38:09
Speaker 16: be a lot more accountability for big tech to make
38:11
Speaker 16: sure that they're you know, if they're going to have
38:13
Speaker 16: this much power, they need to have a lot more accountability.
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Speaker 3: What's interesting because in Australia there is a push by
38:19
Speaker 3: our government to make big tech accountable, but not from
38:24
Speaker 3: you know, the aspect of censoring one side of politics,
38:28
Speaker 3: but from misinformation. And there's this very controversial misinformation bill.
38:33
Speaker 3: You've looked at it in some detail and you've even
38:36
Speaker 3: made a submission to the Communications Minister Michelle Roland. What
38:40
Speaker 3: do you think the main problems are with formalizing misinformation
38:45
Speaker 3: in legislation?
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Speaker 16: Well, one is do you trust politicians to be the
38:48
Speaker 16: arbatas or bureaucrats to be the arbators of truth. I
38:51
Speaker 16: think most people would put them absolutely, very very low
38:55
Speaker 16: down in trustworthyness. The other is that you know who's
39:00
Speaker 16: actually getting policed. So think that we've seen that the
39:02
Speaker 16: people who get of policed online tend to be at
39:05
Speaker 16: the bottom of the food chain, and they don't they're
39:08
Speaker 16: not the people at the top of the food chain.
39:10
Speaker 16: That the kind of if you want to police missing
39:11
Speaker 16: disinformation or hate speech as well, you should be looking at,
39:15
Speaker 16: you know, the government, politicians, corporations, etc. Who have the
39:19
Speaker 16: most power and the most capacity to spread misleading claims.
39:24
Speaker 3: And we saw during the COVID pandemic, and this was
39:27
Speaker 3: under a coalition government by the way, that the Home
39:30
Speaker 3: Affairs Department was centering about four thousand posts where people
39:35
Speaker 3: had been critical of mask mandates COVID vaccines. So none
39:40
Speaker 3: of that freedom of speech was allowed during the COVID pandemic.
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Speaker 16: Well exactly, so they flagged four thousand Twitter didn't necessarily
39:47
Speaker 16: take all of them down. That was the freedom of
39:50
Speaker 16: information requests. In the Twitter files, we found two hundred
39:53
Speaker 16: or so of the content of those requests, But.
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Speaker 3: In Australia at in Australia.
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Speaker 16: In Australian Twitter files that I worked on that showed
40:03
Speaker 16: they were flagging you know, jokes about Dan Andrews, jokes
40:06
Speaker 16: about how long you'd have to wait in the car
40:08
Speaker 16: for a PCR test accounts with this few of twenty followers,
40:13
Speaker 16: which makes you wonder, what is the Department of Home
40:15
Speaker 16: Affairs doing following accounts with only twenty people on it
40:18
Speaker 16: when you know they're tasked with quite serious, quite serious
40:22
Speaker 16: remit in terms of public safety and terrorism and other issues.
40:27
Speaker 16: So it's really this again, this problem where you're policing
40:30
Speaker 16: the people at the bottom and saying you're the baddies,
40:34
Speaker 16: whereas actually the people who do need watching, which is
40:37
Speaker 16: the role of the media and should be a role
40:39
Speaker 16: for anti disinformation campaigns if you're going to have a
40:42
Speaker 16: field that that is that large is concentrated on the
40:45
Speaker 16: people with the most power, not on.
40:47
Speaker 2: The people on the street.
40:49
Speaker 3: We've also got an e Safety Commissioner who's spoken out
40:52
Speaker 3: about missing disinformation. She previously was you know, a woke
40:58
Speaker 3: Silicon Valley involve you know, an executive, and now she's
41:03
Speaker 3: come to Australia, originally appointed to the role by former
41:05
Speaker 3: Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, but it is still in the
41:08
Speaker 3: role under the Labor government. So this again says something
41:13
Speaker 3: about where Australia is headed well totally.
41:16
Speaker 16: And again to go back to the point that I've
41:18
Speaker 16: made a few times, is you were doing a story
41:21
Speaker 16: earlier about the tweet from the Ranian ambassador.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
41:24
Speaker 16: So there's no comment that I've seen so far from
41:27
Speaker 16: the safety.
41:28
Speaker 2: Yes, that issue good point e.
41:31
Speaker 16: Safety would be all over or manner of kind of
41:33
Speaker 16: issues of you know, the kind of general person might
41:36
Speaker 16: be saying, and here you have something really at scale
41:39
Speaker 16: that would be much more concerning. I'm not sure that
41:41
Speaker 16: I would be one hundred percent backing kind of censorship
41:43
Speaker 16: there or not. But it's interesting that if you're going
41:46
Speaker 16: to apply the rules, you know, then you should you
41:49
Speaker 16: have to apply them fairly across the board, and that
41:53
Speaker 16: based on her rules and her very strict system that
41:56
Speaker 16: she currently has in place, that tweet would probably come
42:00
Speaker 16: within them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: It is incitement to violence, So there is an argument
42:04
Speaker 3: for censoring.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you.
42:05
Speaker 3: I don't know whether you'd want it censored or you
42:06
Speaker 3: want to see what the Iranian ambassador is actually saying
42:09
Speaker 3: I'd follow on the free speech side in this particular case,
42:13
Speaker 3: but agreed, right, Andrew Lowenthal, thank you very much for
42:16
Speaker 3: your time.
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Speaker 16: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Now, we've still got a lot to come.
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Speaker 3: We've got Facebook admitting the mistake in censoring Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: We've just covered that.
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Speaker 3: But after the break, we are going to cross live
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Speaker 3: to the US where Kamala Harris is experiencing the mother
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Speaker 3: of all makeovers.
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Speaker 2: Will it work well? The Democrats, sure hope, So stay
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Speaker 2: tuned after the break. Welcome back.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 3: The rebranding of Kamala Harris is well underway, and it's extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: As Jared Baker writes in The Wall Street Journal, can
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Speaker 3: the Democrats and a collaborative media pull off? They're recasting
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Speaker 3: a vice president, Kamala Harris, from the verbally malley, politically
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Speaker 3: inept ruinous policy espousing electoral dud we have all seen
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Speaker 3: over the past five years into the holy trinity of
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Speaker 3: Joan of Arc, Harriet Tubman and Margaret Thatcher we have
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Speaker 3: been presented with in the past two weeks.
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Speaker 2: He says, time all.
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Speaker 3: The lack of it is the key to the operation's success.
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Speaker 3: I say ninety days, but in practice they need to
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Speaker 3: keep the hype show on the road for just two
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Speaker 3: months after in August of jubilees. Well, the left media
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Speaker 3: and the Democratic spin doctors do seem to be pulling
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Speaker 3: this off, despite old clips like this that keep popping up.
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Speaker 17: And as a woman, there is a balance to be
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Speaker 17: struck between being tough.
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Speaker 2: And being a turn that off, and there's so much
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Speaker 2: of that.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's bring in now Fox News contributor political podcaster
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Speaker 3: Brad Palambo.
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Speaker 2: Brad, thank you very much for joining us.
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Speaker 3: Look, this transformation is quite stunning, really, because Kamala Harris
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Speaker 3: was considered pretty much incompetent vice president and suddenly she's
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Speaker 3: the new Obama.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 17: Even a couple months ago before this all went down
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Speaker 17: and she became the nominee, the New York Times as
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Speaker 17: writers they ranked her as the least electable of the
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Speaker 17: possible Biden replacements. But now because the switch has been made,
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Speaker 17: they all flipped on a dime. And you got to
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Speaker 17: give the mainstream media credit for one thing. It's message
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Speaker 17: and discipline control. But look, they're going to have to
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Speaker 17: shelter her because she is a gaff machine. She is
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Speaker 17: cringe personified. So what they're going to have to do
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Speaker 17: is try to keep her away. She still has not
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Speaker 17: done an interview or a press con since becoming the nominee,
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Speaker 17: and it's been more than two weeks. They're going to
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Speaker 17: have to try to hide her away until now an
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Speaker 17: election day and hope that just their heavily filtered media
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Speaker 17: coverage is all people will be exposed to, or her
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Speaker 17: edited TikTok videos, which I will admit are well done.
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Speaker 17: But because if she's actually scrutinized for all her flip flops,
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Speaker 17: for the Biden administration's many failures and calamities, then I
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Speaker 17: think Americans will really lose a lot. The shine will
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Speaker 17: come off, they'll really see what's there, and they won't
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Speaker 17: be so interested. But if they can successfully pull a
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Speaker 17: Joe Biden in twenty twenty and just campaign from the basement,
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Speaker 17: it might just work out for them, but it is
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Speaker 17: kind of a sham for the democratic process.
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Speaker 3: Or she is on show, she's doing events, just not
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Speaker 3: rigorous interviews or press conferences, but at least she is
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Speaker 3: out of the proverbial basement.
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Speaker 2: But Brad, you know, this strategy is clearly.
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Speaker 3: Working because the polls are showing that she's now catching
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Speaker 3: up to Trump. But it is becoming a major news
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Speaker 3: story that she hasn't done an interview in fifteen days.
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Speaker 3: So how long is she is Kamala Harrison the Democratic
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Speaker 3: Party actually going to be able to stick with this
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Speaker 3: strategy of not sitting down with a serious, tough journalist.
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Speaker 17: Well, unfortunately, you know, people in right of center media,
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Speaker 17: Fox News or the Wall Street Journal they're not going
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Speaker 17: to listen to us, Right, It's going to have to
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Speaker 17: come from the New York Times. It's going to have
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Speaker 17: to come from the liberal media establishment actually sticking to
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Speaker 17: their journalistic principles rather than their rank partisan bias and
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Speaker 17: calling her out and saying, listen, you're running for president
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Speaker 17: of the United States. You've got to do actual interviews,
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Speaker 17: not just fan service, not just events with celebrities. You've
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Speaker 17: got to sit down and be held to account because
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Speaker 17: she has flip flopped on everything under the sun just
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Speaker 17: in the last few weeks, from healthcare policy to fracking
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Speaker 17: to so many other things. She's done a complete eighty
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Speaker 17: not really explained any of it. Plus, there's so much
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Speaker 17: she needs to answer for from this administration's record, from
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Speaker 17: the inflation and the policies they had that contributed it
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Speaker 17: to the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan that left many US
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Speaker 17: service members dead unnecessarily, that could have been avoided so
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Speaker 17: many things. But if they just want to try, what
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Speaker 17: the campaign wants to do is just avoid all that
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Speaker 17: and just do like cooking videos with celebrities between now
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Speaker 17: and November. So you will come down to the liberal
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Speaker 17: media establishment. Are they going to actually stick up for
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Speaker 17: journalism and demand that Kamala does some interviews? She will
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Speaker 17: listen if they do. Are they just going to keep
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Speaker 17: their democratic partisan hats on and go along till now
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Speaker 17: in November?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just quickly before you go, we've had the big
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Speaker 3: news that there could be a recession in the United
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Speaker 3: States precisely the same time that Kamala Harris has claimed
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Speaker 3: the economy is in top shape in the US. You've
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Speaker 3: got about thirty seconds. But this is now going to
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Speaker 3: be a big problem for her ahead.
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Speaker 2: Of the election.
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Speaker 17: It has and it will be a problem because it
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Speaker 17: has been a problem. They keep bragging about Bidenomics when
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Speaker 17: Americans cannot afford groceries. So now if we do end
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Speaker 17: up going into a recession, they're talking points on the
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Speaker 17: economic agenda will only ring even more empty.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, it will Brad Plumboth, thank you very much for
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Speaker 3: your thoughts tonight, and thanks everyone for your company and
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Speaker 3: for watching this evening. So we've got time for I'll
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Speaker 3: be back tomorrow at eight. And right now, here's Paul
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Speaker 3: Murray