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Ep. 300: Rut Fresh Radio 9/18/19 · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number three hundred and
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Speaker 1: today we've got another installment of our rut Fresh radio
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Speaker 1: mini series in which we're checking in with four hunters
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Speaker 1: from across the country to get the latest on deer activity,
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Speaker 1: current conditions, and the tactics working right now. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx.
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Speaker 1: We're here for another episode of our rut Fresh radio
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Speaker 1: mini series in which myself and Spencer new Hearth are
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Speaker 1: here to break down the latest and greatest recent intel
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Speaker 1: from across the white tail hunting world. That means, Spencer,
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Speaker 1: what exactly that means. We're gonna be talking buck movement
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Speaker 1: in mid September, and I think this is probably like
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Speaker 1: the most up to date buck movement intel available. We're
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Speaker 1: recording this on a Tuesday. This podcast comes out on
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Speaker 1: a Wednesday, so all the information that you're hearing is
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Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours old. Then we're gonna talk
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Speaker 1: about things like bachelor groups, how the weather has changed, stuff,
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Speaker 1: if their signmaking happening, yet what the preferred food sources are,
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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff that would factor you're into
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Speaker 1: your decision for going out and hunting, and what you're
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Speaker 1: set up is going to be like, Yeah, I love it,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to add one more consistent kind of
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Speaker 1: segment to each one of these episodes. It's going to
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Speaker 1: be the segment on Fresh Radio where Mark gives Spencer
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Speaker 1: ship for not white tail hunting. So I don't I
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Speaker 1: do not like the fact that you're or a high
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Speaker 1: faluton elk hunter now, Spencer, uh No, not not high
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Speaker 1: falut I would I would be happy to be in
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Speaker 1: a tree stand right now because the elk made me
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Speaker 1: feel like an absolute idiot so far this year, Can
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Speaker 1: you give us like a thirty second cliff notes on
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Speaker 1: your first elk hunt ever or your first bowl elk
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Speaker 1: hunt ever? Right? Yes? Um, lots of walking around, lots
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Speaker 1: of calling and sounding like a sickly elk, lots of
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Speaker 1: baron oia where I'm looking around hoping grizzly, hoping grizzly
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Speaker 1: isn't like the next big brown thing that I see
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Speaker 1: instead of an elk. Um, And yeah, that's pretty much it.
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Speaker 1: Walking and calling until I'm tired. Sounds like fun. I
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Speaker 1: trust that you will eventually figure it out. I have faith.
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Speaker 1: I hope you're right. Um, so even though you haven't
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Speaker 1: been on white tail hunting, you have been talking to
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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people who have. And who are
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Speaker 1: those guests that we're going to hear from this week?
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Speaker 1: We started Wisconsin and talks to Tyler Frank's from Tenadie Outdoors,
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Speaker 1: and then Andrew Maxwell in Georgia from The Southern Outdoorsman,
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Speaker 1: and then we talked to Keith Thompson from Montana white
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Speaker 1: Tails incy in Montana, and then we end with my
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Speaker 1: constuctor from Heartland bow Hunter in Missouri. Sounds like a
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Speaker 1: good slate of folks and locations. I like that we
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Speaker 1: got like far West, we got far South, a little
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Speaker 1: bit here in between. UM, what is on your mind
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Speaker 1: at this time of year? And now, I know you're
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Speaker 1: not hitting it right now, but in past years you have. Um.
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Speaker 1: Where are we We're entering the third week in September,
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Speaker 1: so a lot of opening days just happened this past weekend.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot coming up in the next well in
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Speaker 1: the September. Another slate in October one is a whole
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Speaker 1: bunch that dropped. So so what's on your mind at
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Speaker 1: this time of year, Spencer, do you have like a
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Speaker 1: quick cock tip that's top of mind? Well, historically South
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Speaker 1: Dakota is opener would be the of September, and I
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Speaker 1: haunted every year, and what I kind of learned was
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Speaker 1: that if I didn't have any like good or recent
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Speaker 1: intel available to me, and I didn't know, you know,
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Speaker 1: exactly where these deer were entering a specific field that
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Speaker 1: I didn't have trail cameras up that point, I would
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Speaker 1: look to lifetime patterns. And what I mean by that
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Speaker 1: is trying to think back as to what the deer
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Speaker 1: did the year before and the year before that and
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Speaker 1: the year before that for herds as well as individual bucks,
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Speaker 1: because a lot of times you see the same kind
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Speaker 1: of shifts that this time of year when the food
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Speaker 1: sources become this or the weather does this, that the
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Speaker 1: deer are going to respond a specific way, and you
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Speaker 1: can kind of track that year after years. So if
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Speaker 1: you're hunting a property that you're familiar with, like I
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Speaker 1: was in South Dakota, you can kind of sometimes go
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Speaker 1: into an opener in late September blind, but still have success.
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Speaker 1: And now that wasn't the case with your mega early
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Speaker 1: season a couple of years ago, right, because that was
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a surprise. But but did you
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Speaker 1: have some kind of patterns that you knew that kind
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Speaker 1: of applied. Like I said, in that case, I was
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Speaker 1: hunting the lifetime patterns of just like the deer herd
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Speaker 1: in general. I knew that the end of September, when
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Speaker 1: there's corn in that kind of creates the specific funnels
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Speaker 1: that the deer tend to enter the field in the
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Speaker 1: same place. And so I didn't have any recent intel,
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Speaker 1: and I hadn't done much summer scouting, but I knew
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Speaker 1: that when there's corn in that time of year, most
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Speaker 1: of the deer would walk this specific area. And that
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Speaker 1: was how I killed my biggest box of my whole life. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so it wasn't specific buck lifetime, but it was overall
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Speaker 1: heard annual pattern stuff that you apply that makes sense, um, so,
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Speaker 1: so kind of jumping off of that, the one thing
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Speaker 1: I would think about at this time of year, um,
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Speaker 1: other than than the obvious things that I'm sure we'll
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Speaker 1: talk about with the guests as far as keying on
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Speaker 1: food sources and changing conditions and all that. But but
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Speaker 1: this is when we start getting the first impacts of
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Speaker 1: hunting pressure for a lot of people. Because if you
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Speaker 1: are one of those states where the season opened at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of September, you've had three weeks of hunting
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Speaker 1: at this point. If you are in one of the
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Speaker 1: states that opened maybe September, here now into the first
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Speaker 1: week of hunting and deer changing their behavior. So for
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Speaker 1: anyone who's in those situations right now, the summer patterns
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Speaker 1: that you're looking at, the feeding, the bed to feed
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Speaker 1: patterns that you maybe had keyed on those first couple
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Speaker 1: of days, that's going to change to some degree, possibly
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Speaker 1: very dramatically, depending on how much hunting pressure is around you,
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Speaker 1: but it's going to change to some degree, and you
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Speaker 1: just make go to make sure you can adjust to that.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people talk about something they call the
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Speaker 1: October lull, and you can see that same thing in
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Speaker 1: mid September if you are hunting somewhere, that's all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden getting hunted a lot because because oftentimes that lull,
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Speaker 1: regardless of what it pops up, that's simply a change
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Speaker 1: in deer activity or where they're being active. Because all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden wearing their mucking around. So just be
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Speaker 1: be aware of that. Think about that, don't hunt the
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Speaker 1: same spots over and over and over again, that you
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Speaker 1: saw a deer on the opening at a hunting season
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Speaker 1: and then wonder why is he not here anymore? Think
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Speaker 1: about how they're adjusting to people going in. And you know,
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Speaker 1: you can do one of two things. You could either
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Speaker 1: play it safe and you know, just wait until they
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Speaker 1: become more active in the places that you had pre planned.
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Speaker 1: That might be the case if you just have a
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Speaker 1: small property to hunt that you don't want to push
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Speaker 1: a bunch of deer off of. Or if you have
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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of places you can hunt, or huge
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Speaker 1: property or a bunch of public land, you can get
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Speaker 1: aggressive and try to find out where these deer have
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Speaker 1: shifted to. UM. So, so that's something I'm thinking about
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Speaker 1: this time of year. If my season has been open
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Speaker 1: for three weeks already, that's something I'll be thinking about
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Speaker 1: in Michigan for sure. One we get to you know,
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Speaker 1: October fifteen, sixteenth, that ballpark, that'll be when we're really
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Speaker 1: feeling that in Michigan. UM. But it's an interesting time
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Speaker 1: of a year. I just kind of had the kick
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Speaker 1: in the teeth moment where I realized, oh man, in
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Speaker 1: like two weeks, the absolute marathon begins, like already. Once
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Speaker 1: September kicked off from me, I was, okay, yeah, it's starting.
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Speaker 1: But what October shows up, It's just like, buckle up,
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Speaker 1: you're in for the ride. And uh, that's staring me
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Speaker 1: right in the hairy eyeball. So that's exciting though. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And and both of those strategies that you kind of
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Speaker 1: just mentioned for the different approaches the opening day, we
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Speaker 1: hear about that on this week's episode Tyler Frank's Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: He went all in on his opener and he killed
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Speaker 1: the buck. But then you have someone like Michael hunt
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Speaker 1: Sucker who does very selective calculated pressure um, and he's
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Speaker 1: kind of doing the thing where you live to fight
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Speaker 1: another day and you're not over pressuring these dear so
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Speaker 1: you have more chances later in the season. So you
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Speaker 1: hear both of those strategies kind of broken down in
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Speaker 1: this week's episode. Yeah, I love that stuff, hearing about
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Speaker 1: those different situations. And and I do think that one
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Speaker 1: of the real art forms or one of the like,
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Speaker 1: there's there's some kind of threshold that you push through
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Speaker 1: as a hunter, when you go from just getting out
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Speaker 1: there and hunting when you can and just doing which
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Speaker 1: you can, to all of a sudden that next step
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Speaker 1: when you know when to go all in or you know,
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Speaker 1: one hang back, Like there's a certain art there that
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Speaker 1: it takes some time to figure out. But once you do,
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Speaker 1: when you do know the right time to strike to
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Speaker 1: really make that kill, that just seems to be such
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Speaker 1: a big, such a big paradigm shift, I guess as
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Speaker 1: a hunter. So all that's to say, I'm interested to
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Speaker 1: hear these guys examples and how one of them knew
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Speaker 1: it was not the time to push in and go
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Speaker 1: for broke and one of them said it was and
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Speaker 1: it worked out maybe, So I am intrigued to listen
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Speaker 1: to the rest of this episode. Is there anything we
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Speaker 1: have to cover off on other than a couple housekeeping
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Speaker 1: things before we do that? Um? No, I don't think so,
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Speaker 1: but I'll start with one of those housekeeping things. If
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Speaker 1: you like this kind of info, the uh you know,
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Speaker 1: up to date on strategies for this timing year, then
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Speaker 1: you should head over to Meet Eaters YouTube channel, where
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Speaker 1: you'll see the second episode of a series that me,
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Speaker 1: Mark and Tony Peterson. You are part of where we
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Speaker 1: talked about how to kill a buck that time of year.
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Speaker 1: In the most recent episode, episode two, is about how
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Speaker 1: to kill a buck in late September, and we talked
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Speaker 1: about some of those things we just discussed Mark, but
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Speaker 1: even even greater detail. And then when we're all done
10:42
Speaker 1: talking about how we would put together a hunt for
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Speaker 1: late September, we even break down a property. And the
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Speaker 1: property in this week's episode is a huge piece of
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Speaker 1: public land in Missouri that Tony Peterson is actually hunted.
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Speaker 1: So Mark and I take the first step dab at
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Speaker 1: diagnosing this property and talk about where we would set
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Speaker 1: up it and why, and then Tony tells us what
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Speaker 1: we got right and what we got wrong. Basically, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting one. Did you happen to
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Speaker 1: see Tony just showed how to kill a buck in
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Speaker 1: mid September? Yeah? That that guy never fails. It's like
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Speaker 1: late September and early October. He is always killing. Dear
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Speaker 1: he knocked on a giant, So I'm gonna try to
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Speaker 1: have him on the podcast here sooner talk about that
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Speaker 1: one in more detail too. But yes, definitely check out
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Speaker 1: the how to Kill a Buck series on YouTube. Also,
11:34
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep on reminding you folks of this. We've
11:36
Speaker 1: got this new white Tail Weekly newsletter. That's where all
11:40
Speaker 1: the white Tail stuff that I'm putting out, that Spencer's
11:42
Speaker 1: putting out, that the rest of the Meat Eater team
11:44
Speaker 1: is putting out. That's like the clearinghouse for everything. So
11:48
Speaker 1: if you go to the meat Eator dot com. Um,
11:52
Speaker 1: I'm not sure now if the pop up is still
11:54
Speaker 1: there to sign for the newsletter, Spencer, I think there's
11:56
Speaker 1: a new one now, was related to the second piece
11:58
Speaker 1: of news I have. Um, But if you head there,
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Speaker 1: you'll see an opportunity, an option to sign up for
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12:07
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the updates about these new videos. You're
12:09
Speaker 1: gonna get the updates for a new podcast, new articles
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Speaker 1: that me and Spencer are both writing, and you will
12:14
Speaker 1: get news such as that which we are announcing in
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Speaker 1: tomorrow's Wire Done podcast, this episode three oh one, in
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Speaker 1: which we're sharing some really exciting stuff you may be
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Speaker 1: of the special news that myself and Steve Ronella and
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12:50
Speaker 1: main episode of the podcast. So with that, Spencer, I'm
12:54
Speaker 1: going to go to bed. It's late. I'll let you
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Speaker 1: take it from here, all right. Yeah, there's a one
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Speaker 1: of new content over at meat Eater white Tail Specific
13:02
Speaker 1: and we're gonna make you guys sick of Mark and I. Yeah,
13:06
Speaker 1: that might have already happened, Spencer, but for those that
13:09
Speaker 1: are hanging around, we'll try our best to keep it going.
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Speaker 1: All right, We'll talk to you next week, all right.
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Speaker 1: And joining us on the line first is Tyler Frank's
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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin from ten eighty Outdoors. Now, Tyler in Wisconsin,
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Speaker 1: what would you say the bucket activity is man lately?
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Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, I'd probably rate
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Speaker 1: it and about a four or five. Noticing that the
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Speaker 1: weather is fairly warm, especially a little above average for
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Speaker 1: this time of year. What I've been seeing on the
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Speaker 1: trail cameras the buck movement has gone shifted a lot
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Speaker 1: more towards night. Um, the bachelor groups have broken up
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Speaker 1: belt at the shed and then also noticed a lot
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Speaker 1: of acorns are starting to drop, which just pulled them
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Speaker 1: off to the food sources. UM. But the heat really
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Speaker 1: seemed to put a damper on opening weekend activity overall,
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Speaker 1: not just bucks, but those also. I'm surprised to hear
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Speaker 1: you say that it's been a four or five because
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Speaker 1: you happen to kill a great buck over the weekend.
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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about that setup I did. Um,
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Speaker 1: I got very fortunate and harvesting and I thought was
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Speaker 1: opener um just an hour and a half into the season.
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Speaker 1: But um, leading up to that, I didn't really expect
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Speaker 1: to be seen much back there. It kind of just
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Speaker 1: went off of the past history of where I've seen
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Speaker 1: dear move up on a betting area and where there's
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Speaker 1: a large amount of acorns. UM. I hunted very close
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Speaker 1: to their last year and saftmore tea opener and the
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Speaker 1: weather was a lot more, a lot cooler, UM, So
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Speaker 1: I kinded I was only out there for an hour
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Speaker 1: and a half, But um, I had already been seeing
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Speaker 1: more deer, and then, like I mentioned earlier, the trail
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Speaker 1: cameras really showed a distinct shift here once the velvet
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Speaker 1: shed um on the farm. My hunts, it's not uncommon
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Speaker 1: to have a large amount of shooter gear throughout the
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Speaker 1: s commer and then once the velvet sheds and they
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Speaker 1: all split up, and they refuted that. This year, I
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Speaker 1: had about eight or nine bucks that I was really
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Speaker 1: looking at targeting, and within the last three weeks I
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Speaker 1: haven't seen but maybe about thirty of them show back up,
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Speaker 1: and they had been pretty consistent. But I've got some
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Speaker 1: weather coming in here this week. Temperatures won't be as hot.
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Speaker 1: They're still gonna be warm, but with the rain and
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Speaker 1: temperatures that hopefully will change something and we'll see what
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Speaker 1: that brings with that buck behavior change that you've noticed
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Speaker 1: here lately, Have you seen any signmaking start to show up? Then? Actually, yes,
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Speaker 1: there I have another big reason I set up where
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Speaker 1: I did opening days because I did find a scrape line.
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Speaker 1: One of the scrapes is one that's been there that
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Speaker 1: shows up every year, but it had been hit fairly hard.
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Speaker 1: And then a couple a couple more scrapes down this
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Speaker 1: old bogging road that had been worked were pretty fresh,
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Speaker 1: so that that is something I was encouraged by saying that.
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Speaker 1: Top of that, like I mentioned there, was the acorns
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Speaker 1: are definitely dropping right now and they're they're targeting that
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Speaker 1: as a food source that they seem to have dropped
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Speaker 1: a ball earlier this year and they're actually probably on
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Speaker 1: the flowing down, but they're definitely still going after the
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Speaker 1: You mentioned that you were getting a lot of different
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Speaker 1: books on trail camera earlier this year, but not so
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Speaker 1: much anymore. How does your trail camera strategy change as
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Speaker 1: we get into mid and late September, Well, this year
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Speaker 1: it will be UM just probably leave them up the
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Speaker 1: rest of the year and pretty get about them because
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Speaker 1: I don't have a buck take anymore. But usually in
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Speaker 1: years past I've I've taken them off off the off
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Speaker 1: the field the farm. My hunt. He takes his corn
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Speaker 1: off really early, uses it for silage, and UM we're
16:54
Speaker 1: pretty much limited to corn and corn and alfalfa. Some
16:59
Speaker 1: years we have beams, but at this point those are
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Speaker 1: already started and to draw up at least in western Wisconsin,
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Speaker 1: and they're really starting to change color. UM and then
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Speaker 1: I started focusing on more of the the pinch points
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Speaker 1: in bedding areas and oak flats areas where there's going
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Speaker 1: to be in transition. UM. I also kind of start
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Speaker 1: to shift my my my hunting strategy that way. Also,
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Speaker 1: I started working my way in a little bit off
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Speaker 1: the field here. Later in the later September and October,
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Speaker 1: I kind of put all my eggs in the basket
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Speaker 1: for opening morning and just went I went in pretty
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Speaker 1: deep opening day, just because that's where I felt I
17:37
Speaker 1: had the best shot at some nice deer, and because
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Speaker 1: of the heat, I wanted to be close to the
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Speaker 1: bedding area with them probably having a little more restricted
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Speaker 1: morning movement going forward. Then in the sixt week or so,
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Speaker 1: what do you think that bucket activity is going to
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Speaker 1: be on scale of one to ten in Wisconsin, I'd
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Speaker 1: probably I'd probably only raise it up to about a
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Speaker 1: five or six just looking at the looking at the
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Speaker 1: weather I had, and we do have some fronts moving
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Speaker 1: that it's gonna get a little cooler, but it's still
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Speaker 1: not going to be a huge swing, at least over
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Speaker 1: here in western Wisconsin. I think what I saw for
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Speaker 1: next week was highes in the mid seventies and right
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Speaker 1: now we're right in the low eighties. So but there
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Speaker 1: might be some opportunities to get in and find some
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Speaker 1: dear moving right before after those fronts passed, I noticed
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Speaker 1: Monday looked really good with some little cooler temperatures than
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Speaker 1: what they have been and sunny, sunny skies um day.
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Speaker 1: I would probably look at going, but I have not.
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Speaker 1: I won't be able to do this year because now
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Speaker 1: I'll be focusing on bear hunting the rest of the season.
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Speaker 1: For that, it's a good problem to have. Congrats again
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Speaker 1: on the awesome dear good luck with that bear tag
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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, and thanks for joining me. Appreciate it. Thanks
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Speaker 1: very much, all right Enjoining us on the line next
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Speaker 1: is Andrew Maxwell from The Southern Outdoorsman, who's been hunting
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Speaker 1: in Georgia. Now, Andrew and Georgia, what would you say
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Speaker 1: the buck activities man lately? On a scale of one
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Speaker 1: to ten, I would have to say it's probably been
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Speaker 1: a or a five. You know. The We had quite
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Speaker 1: a bit of people hunting the public parcel that we
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Speaker 1: were hunting this weekend, and I know some people saw
19:09
Speaker 1: some stuff, including myself. I did see one younger buck
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Speaker 1: on the first morning, but nobody killed anything. Uh No
19:16
Speaker 1: one saw like a big mature buck. Um. And the
19:19
Speaker 1: reason I say it's the four or five and not
19:20
Speaker 1: Lowers because I think that they were out there moving somewhere.
19:23
Speaker 1: I just think that a lot of us are set
19:25
Speaker 1: up in the wrong spots. Being with as hot as
19:28
Speaker 1: it was, I think we set up wrong. When you're
19:31
Speaker 1: hunting public land on the state's opener like this, how
19:35
Speaker 1: do you go about avoiding other guys? Uh So, A
19:39
Speaker 1: big part of that is gonna be, you know, if
19:41
Speaker 1: you have it previous year's knowledge is really important. Um,
19:45
Speaker 1: I'll take a day off of hunting and just drive
19:47
Speaker 1: around and see where other people are part and you know,
19:50
Speaker 1: try and figure out where the gaps are between them.
19:53
Speaker 1: If that's not an option, then I mean it really
19:55
Speaker 1: comes down to just looking at the basic access points
19:59
Speaker 1: and knowing that most of these guys, especially down in Georgia,
20:03
Speaker 1: are going to be hauling in bigger, heavy climbers and
20:06
Speaker 1: they're probably not gonna be walking four yards. Uh So
20:10
Speaker 1: I essentially got in a little bit later. Uh It's
20:13
Speaker 1: very like fluid was what I was gonna do, kind
20:16
Speaker 1: of salvars, and people were parking we're walking in and
20:18
Speaker 1: then made an effort to kind of swing around them
20:21
Speaker 1: and get on the escape routes of a deer that
20:24
Speaker 1: they might have bumped. So just it really comes down
20:27
Speaker 1: to assuming where that pressure is going to be coming
20:30
Speaker 1: from and where these people are gonna be parking and
20:32
Speaker 1: walking to, and then setting up in the gaps between that.
20:37
Speaker 1: So you said you can't see much for deer activity
20:40
Speaker 1: when you were down there hunting, how would you now
20:43
Speaker 1: change your setups looking back on the weekend and knowing
20:47
Speaker 1: what you know now, Uh, definitely get closer to the river.
20:52
Speaker 1: So the property we're hunting has a river on it, uh,
20:55
Speaker 1: and a course down by that river. It is noticeably colder.
20:58
Speaker 1: I mean it's been in the mid nineties this weekend
21:01
Speaker 1: and this week so I think that we were hunting
21:05
Speaker 1: stuff that would probably be good, but it's probably not good.
21:08
Speaker 1: Was as hot as it is. We were hunting some
21:10
Speaker 1: thicker cover um just around some regular hardwood essenc smaller creeks.
21:15
Speaker 1: I think that if we were to have gotten down
21:17
Speaker 1: by the actual river where it's cooler, I think we
21:19
Speaker 1: would have done much better, which which seems to be
21:22
Speaker 1: the case. I have a friend of mine, who's actually
21:24
Speaker 1: staying down here with me right now, who's hunting that
21:26
Speaker 1: same property. And he went and hunted the river yesterday
21:30
Speaker 1: and I saw that he saw two rack bucks and
21:32
Speaker 1: then had a deer cross the slough behind them coming
21:34
Speaker 1: off an island. Went to show us that they're definitely
21:37
Speaker 1: betting on these islands, and they're definitely betting down close
21:39
Speaker 1: to the water and cooler areas. What do you think
21:42
Speaker 1: is the preferred food source right now in Georgia? Uh,
21:46
Speaker 1: that is very It's very dependent on where you're at.
21:50
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously acorns and for simmons are gonna be
21:53
Speaker 1: huge right now where you have them. But that being said, uh,
21:57
Speaker 1: let's say you have a betting area that you're wanting
21:59
Speaker 1: to hunt and there's not acorns for per simmons within
22:03
Speaker 1: you know, an easy walking distance of that betting area
22:05
Speaker 1: and find acorns or per simmons in very close proximity
22:09
Speaker 1: to water and good cover, I think that's a home run.
22:12
Speaker 1: If not, if you've got a betting area that's still
22:14
Speaker 1: got a bunch of native brows in it, you know,
22:15
Speaker 1: whether it be you know, they're still hammering poke salad
22:18
Speaker 1: right now, beauty berry and then various other things greenbrier,
22:22
Speaker 1: basically anything green that if you're canny, I would definitely
22:25
Speaker 1: key in on that as well. Uh, just because in
22:28
Speaker 1: years past this time of year, we've killed deer and
22:30
Speaker 1: have opened them up and they've been full of green stuff,
22:33
Speaker 1: not necessarily acorns. So uh, I wouldn't get too fixated
22:37
Speaker 1: on acorns and per simmons unless you can find them
22:39
Speaker 1: in the right spot. Does that make sense? Early season
22:43
Speaker 1: like this, what do your morning setups look like and
22:45
Speaker 1: how did those differ from your evening setups. My morning setups,
22:50
Speaker 1: I'm typically gonna be pretty aggressive. I mean, obviously it's
22:53
Speaker 1: early season, and I don't want to blow out my
22:55
Speaker 1: good spots, so I kind of have backup spots around
22:59
Speaker 1: kind areas that I'm not super interested in, but I
23:02
Speaker 1: think I could have a good chance of maybe nailing
23:05
Speaker 1: a buck but also just a dough, uh. And I'll
23:07
Speaker 1: be getting in very close to bedding, and I'll be
23:10
Speaker 1: setting up on basically where I think they're gonna enter
23:12
Speaker 1: back into that, and I'll get in, you know, way
23:14
Speaker 1: before daylight, and I hopefully have something slipped by me. Um.
23:18
Speaker 1: Afternoons are basically the opposite in the afternoons. You know,
23:21
Speaker 1: it's much lower risks. So I will go to some
23:23
Speaker 1: of my better areas in the afternoons, and uh, we're
23:27
Speaker 1: gonna be focusing in the next week. Like tomorrow, I'm
23:30
Speaker 1: going out and be hitting the staging area. Um. We're
23:33
Speaker 1: basically we got some thick you know, anybody in the
23:35
Speaker 1: South can be familiar with, like thick pines, like old cutovers,
23:38
Speaker 1: cutovers probably seven or eight years old. Now it's really
23:41
Speaker 1: good deer cover. Um. And we got a a wheat
23:45
Speaker 1: field on this place that we're hunting, and the deer
23:47
Speaker 1: hitting that wheat stilled pretty hard. But in between there
23:50
Speaker 1: there's this nice, beautiful little hardwood flat. It's got some
23:54
Speaker 1: privet and stuff down there. It's kind of thick, there's
23:56
Speaker 1: some acorns in it, and it's to tour up with
23:58
Speaker 1: fresh rubs everywhere. So that's gonna be my set up
24:01
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. I'm gonna try and slip down in
24:03
Speaker 1: there and get within a hundred yards of where they're
24:07
Speaker 1: probably bedded. Uh, and hopefully they come out and stage
24:10
Speaker 1: up right there before moving on to the major destination
24:13
Speaker 1: food source going forward. Then in the six week or so,
24:16
Speaker 1: what do you think that buckettt is going to be
24:18
Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten. In Georgia, I'm
24:21
Speaker 1: gonna say it's probably gonna be like seven or eight. Uh. Tomorrow,
24:26
Speaker 1: we actually have a good cold front moving in, which
24:28
Speaker 1: in the South is gonna that means it's gonna go
24:30
Speaker 1: from eighty five. Uh. But in the mornings it's gonna
24:34
Speaker 1: be nice and cool. I think Friday morning it's gonna
24:37
Speaker 1: be high fifties, which is gonna be phenomenal. Uh. That
24:40
Speaker 1: ought to really get them on their feet and moving.
24:42
Speaker 1: I mean they've already been pretty active close to dark.
24:46
Speaker 1: We keep driving by this one field as we leave
24:48
Speaker 1: and every night we're seeing books in it, you know,
24:51
Speaker 1: thirty to forty minutes after dark. So hopefully that cold
24:54
Speaker 1: front really gets a moving better. And a lot more
24:57
Speaker 1: acorns and for simmons are starting to drop now, so
25:00
Speaker 1: that'll just hopefully concentrate them a little bit. All right, Andrew, Well,
25:04
Speaker 1: good luck to you and the guys from Southern Outdoors
25:06
Speaker 1: been thanks for joining me. Thanks better all right and
25:09
Speaker 1: joining us on the line. Next is Keith Thompson from
25:12
Speaker 1: Montana White Tails Inc. In Montana. Now, Keith in Montana,
25:16
Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity has been landy
25:18
Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten. As far as
25:21
Speaker 1: movement goes, i'd probably I'd probably give it a seven
25:24
Speaker 1: or eight. I mean, we have some clients out and
25:27
Speaker 1: they're all seeing a lot of deer, and some good deer.
25:30
Speaker 1: The big deer are still on their feet. Um. From
25:33
Speaker 1: a harvesting standpoint, it's been a little tough. Everything so
25:37
Speaker 1: green and so tall this year. We've talked to some
25:40
Speaker 1: ranchers that they said they can't even remember having this
25:43
Speaker 1: much hey in the last thirty years. Um. This is
25:47
Speaker 1: just for example. Some of the field that we generally
25:49
Speaker 1: hunt that are normally a foot to a foot and
25:53
Speaker 1: a half tall, at this time of the year, we
25:55
Speaker 1: have some took some photos that they're up over six
25:58
Speaker 1: ft tall. I mean the deer you can you can
26:01
Speaker 1: barely see them walking through it. So activity wise for
26:04
Speaker 1: sighting has been good, but as far as harvesting goes,
26:07
Speaker 1: it's been a little tough. We've killed a few good books,
26:10
Speaker 1: but it's it's been tougher than in past years, that's
26:13
Speaker 1: for sure. You hear of white tails often bedding down
26:17
Speaker 1: in like corn fields and bean fields, but will you
26:20
Speaker 1: find that they also bed down in hay fields. And
26:22
Speaker 1: how has that changed then with this Hey, that's been
26:25
Speaker 1: so tall. Yeah, it's it's been tough. Um. We we hunted,
26:29
Speaker 1: predominantly hunted, try to hunt the river bottoms in the
26:31
Speaker 1: morning for the bedding, and it's been like just like
26:36
Speaker 1: you said that there's that much Hey, is that or
26:39
Speaker 1: the wheat field of that tall everything that the deer
26:42
Speaker 1: aren't even coming down into the river bottoms. They're just
26:44
Speaker 1: they're hitting the alphastle fields and may everything else is
26:47
Speaker 1: that tall, they'll just lay in it. They So it's
26:50
Speaker 1: been it's been quite challenging early as far as, like
26:53
Speaker 1: you said, as the harvesting goes. Now, we had the
26:56
Speaker 1: full moon this last weekend. How does that change your
26:59
Speaker 1: guys a strateg g Oh, well, basically trying to get
27:03
Speaker 1: in on them without blowing them out. And it's been
27:05
Speaker 1: so bright, I mean, crossing the river and everything you
27:08
Speaker 1: can see cloud across the river. There's no need for
27:10
Speaker 1: flashlights this week, that's for sure. Um, you know, it's
27:15
Speaker 1: it changes it a little bit, but predominantly we're still
27:18
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. I mean, we're on betting. We're
27:20
Speaker 1: getting guys into the betting in the morning and then,
27:22
Speaker 1: and I said, even from activity standpoint, it hasn't seemed
27:25
Speaker 1: affected too bad, So it's been a plus. You mentioned
27:29
Speaker 1: that you're seeing a lot of deer this time of year,
27:31
Speaker 1: but does that mean that you're still seeing the bucks
27:33
Speaker 1: traveling together and those bachelor groups are still together. Yeah,
27:37
Speaker 1: I would say so. We've had a lot of our
27:39
Speaker 1: clients coming back at night talent and even in the
27:42
Speaker 1: morning and at night coming back telling us that typically
27:45
Speaker 1: when they've been seeing the deer, it's been the it's
27:48
Speaker 1: been the does and the fawns, and and you know
27:51
Speaker 1: some young bucks, uh year link bucks coming out together,
27:55
Speaker 1: and they've they've taken notice that once they started seeing
27:59
Speaker 1: a little bit higher age structure class here, that it's
28:02
Speaker 1: been strings of five or six books that are of
28:05
Speaker 1: the higher age class. So I would definitely say, yes,
28:07
Speaker 1: they're they're bachelor up. Yet to the envy of many hunters,
28:11
Speaker 1: you guys are white tail hunting in an area that
28:14
Speaker 1: also has elk. So do you notice that this time
28:17
Speaker 1: of year, during the elk rot, that maybe those elk
28:20
Speaker 1: are pushing some deer awful food sources or off of
28:22
Speaker 1: water holes or anything like that. We we do see
28:26
Speaker 1: a division there. Um, there's the elk like there's seemed
28:31
Speaker 1: to congregate. There's there's two big alfalfa field that they
28:35
Speaker 1: tend to stick to every every early season for us
28:40
Speaker 1: um and we actually we've kill some elk out of
28:43
Speaker 1: deer stands already. M As far as the separation goes,
28:47
Speaker 1: I would say so it just seems that the deer
28:51
Speaker 1: just more or less kind of stay away from them.
28:52
Speaker 1: They don't they don't intermingle too much. If if it's
28:56
Speaker 1: a big alfa alfa field, you'll see some deer out
28:58
Speaker 1: there with the elk, but there they they definitely keep
29:00
Speaker 1: their distance going forward. Then, in the next week or so,
29:03
Speaker 1: what do you think that buck activity is going to
29:05
Speaker 1: be on a scale of one to ten in Montana? Well,
29:08
Speaker 1: I hope it's high. Uh. I'd say I'd keep it
29:11
Speaker 1: around a seven or so somewhere around there. Um, it's
29:16
Speaker 1: been pretty good. I'm hoping we actually can get some
29:19
Speaker 1: cold leather here and maybe kill off some of this
29:22
Speaker 1: this green. But I know, I'm sure we've probably got
29:25
Speaker 1: a few more weeks for than green yet. But I'll
29:28
Speaker 1: be optimistic and try and keep it at a seven
29:30
Speaker 1: and eight. Alright, Keith for good luck to your clients
29:33
Speaker 1: at Montana White Tails, Inc. Thanks for joining me, Thank
29:36
Speaker 1: you all right and joining us on the line. Last
29:39
Speaker 1: is Mike han Sucker in Missouri from Heartland bow Hunter. Now,
29:43
Speaker 1: Mike in Missouri. What would you say the buck activity
29:45
Speaker 1: has been lately on a scale of one to ten,
29:48
Speaker 1: I would probably say yes, seven. Um, it's been really
29:52
Speaker 1: surprising actually as hot as it's been. Um, we've been
29:55
Speaker 1: seen some really good activity and actually even seen some too, dude,
29:58
Speaker 1: only you know two nights. This is the third Matta
30:01
Speaker 1: season right now, so but I've been surprised. Actually when
30:05
Speaker 1: it's been so hot, does that change any of your strategies?
30:08
Speaker 1: Are you still hunting some destination food sources there? We've
30:12
Speaker 1: been hunting food sources, um, mainly clover and actually surprisingly
30:19
Speaker 1: the past few hot days, the deer really been keying
30:22
Speaker 1: on a bone yard plot, which is a classica tourn
30:26
Speaker 1: of Radish mix. They've really been him and those which
30:29
Speaker 1: usually they don't really hit too much till later in
30:31
Speaker 1: the year. So it's been interesting because every you know,
30:34
Speaker 1: all the buck activity we've been seeing has been on
30:36
Speaker 1: those plots, which unfortunately most of our set up in
30:39
Speaker 1: north winds, so we've been having to set the clover
30:42
Speaker 1: and had some good action, but there's not not any
30:45
Speaker 1: Bucks in me. How do you see those preferred food
30:48
Speaker 1: sources changing throughout the month of September. Do you think
30:51
Speaker 1: they're going to be consistently on those couple of plots
30:53
Speaker 1: that you were just talking about or is that going
30:55
Speaker 1: to switch? Well, I mean a lot of times, you know,
30:58
Speaker 1: do you you know employeeaans right now them are still green,
31:00
Speaker 1: but they're just starting to turn um some you know,
31:02
Speaker 1: opendion when they were playing it. So as those being
31:06
Speaker 1: fields change, you'll definitely see a shift in in the
31:08
Speaker 1: deer and in the sources that they kind of key on.
31:11
Speaker 1: And so colovis huge, usually really really good plot for October.
31:15
Speaker 1: Get those uh those North Wayne cold fronts in October
31:18
Speaker 1: and Colover plots can be awesome. But I'm definitely keep
31:20
Speaker 1: an eye on some of the phone your plots to
31:23
Speaker 1: keep utilizing them. How about bachelor groups. Are you still
31:25
Speaker 1: seeing bucks traveling together? Absolutely? Yeah, yep, call all the
31:30
Speaker 1: Bucks for the most part, you know, they're still that's
31:34
Speaker 1: that's that pretty good. It's just send some young bucks
31:36
Speaker 1: hanging out with those. Now, we just had a full
31:38
Speaker 1: moon for missouries opener. Does that change what you're doing?
31:42
Speaker 1: It on what your setups are like? You know, I
31:44
Speaker 1: don't pay a ton of attention to the moon, and honestly, um,
31:47
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how that that is really effective,
31:49
Speaker 1: but I mean it's definitely you know, seeing seeing the
31:52
Speaker 1: bucks you know, move around those a little bit. Scrapes
31:54
Speaker 1: were actually starting to open up. Past couple of days,
31:57
Speaker 1: I've seen some new scrapes open up and it seems
32:00
Speaker 1: couldn't though, so they're definitely starting to. Yeah, kind of uh,
32:03
Speaker 1: you know, get out of the summer routine and get
32:06
Speaker 1: more into the scrapes that you're seeing opened up for
32:09
Speaker 1: those kind of the community scrapes on field edges. Are
32:12
Speaker 1: you seeing some more like individualized scrapes that specific bucks
32:17
Speaker 1: are making on specific trails. Yeah, I think it's one
32:19
Speaker 1: of the social thing for sure, you know, I like
32:22
Speaker 1: shed velvet, rubbing, rubbing on trees and hitting, lifting branches
32:25
Speaker 1: and the type of stuff. So it's definitely stuff near
32:28
Speaker 1: You knows, where are your trail cameras at this time
32:32
Speaker 1: of year and how is that going to change as
32:35
Speaker 1: we get to the end of September and the beginning
32:36
Speaker 1: of October right now, most of them are on food sources,
32:40
Speaker 1: UM edges of foot plots, you know, trail waiting into
32:42
Speaker 1: food plots. UM. I do have a couple on those
32:46
Speaker 1: those freshness scrapes that the opening up, but as obviously
32:49
Speaker 1: we train usen in October and the stape starting ripped part.
32:52
Speaker 1: That's my favorite, you know, favorite place to have cameras
32:55
Speaker 1: on scrape and it's one of the best times of
32:57
Speaker 1: year to get pictures about especially UM eating c w
33:01
Speaker 1: D zones Like we're in our farm, Missouri, but we
33:04
Speaker 1: can't you know, put out any any sort of attackants
33:07
Speaker 1: having those scrapes. Is speaking of cw D. I know
33:11
Speaker 1: parts of Missouri have been dealing with e h D
33:13
Speaker 1: here late in the summer. Is that something that has
33:15
Speaker 1: affected you guys. Yeah, we haven't knock on wood. We
33:19
Speaker 1: haven't had any uh, I haven't had anything happened that
33:23
Speaker 1: we've seen. But I know a lot of people in
33:25
Speaker 1: southern Iowa, a lot of people in North sent from
33:27
Speaker 1: a very northwest Missouri. I didn't hit bad and it's
33:30
Speaker 1: wiped them out. And it's kind of my right this
33:33
Speaker 1: year because you know, e h D is a here
33:35
Speaker 1: of on a grout year. Um, we've had you know, heavy,
33:38
Speaker 1: heavy range and lots of lots of moisture the springs.
33:42
Speaker 1: But since the moisture of spring, we've had a a
33:45
Speaker 1: lot of heat and that those waters that was you know,
33:48
Speaker 1: resessing and coming down. Um, it's causing a late late
33:52
Speaker 1: bloom of h D unfortunately. No, I know you guys
33:55
Speaker 1: do a lot of setups from the ground where you're
33:57
Speaker 1: hunting out of saying hey, bail blind Are you hesitant
34:01
Speaker 1: at all to do that early season or is that
34:03
Speaker 1: something that you use no matter what time of the
34:05
Speaker 1: year it is. Yeah, I mean we we'll use whatever
34:07
Speaker 1: we need to use to to kill there. Um, you know,
34:10
Speaker 1: blinds are hot, hot this time of the years. Back
34:13
Speaker 1: the other day, I just wore a short man. So
34:17
Speaker 1: it's it's been man, it's been a record temperature year
34:20
Speaker 1: for us. And I remember, you know, it's always one
34:23
Speaker 1: eas season and people complain about it, but you deal
34:25
Speaker 1: with it because because the hunting can be so good.
34:27
Speaker 1: But it has been downright hot. So we've been having
34:30
Speaker 1: out of blinds both past to unite and just because
34:34
Speaker 1: you know that's what we had it up on the plot.
34:36
Speaker 1: But you know, they're so good for containing scent and
34:39
Speaker 1: movement that a lot of times of politives kind out
34:41
Speaker 1: way a negatives going forward. Then in this next week
34:44
Speaker 1: or so, what do you think that bucket activity is
34:45
Speaker 1: going to be on a scale of one to ten
34:47
Speaker 1: in Missouri? I'm gonna say in eight and nine, I
34:50
Speaker 1: think it's gonna really pick up. Um, we got a
34:52
Speaker 1: cold front coming in. I think the cold front but
34:54
Speaker 1: cool from those the ninety two. Whether it's gonna it's
34:57
Speaker 1: gonna be done next week, it looks like some time
35:00
Speaker 1: this weekend substances of rain and cool weather time. And
35:04
Speaker 1: so I think you know that that's first worth when
35:07
Speaker 1: and and a high question get in there. It could
35:10
Speaker 1: be deadly alright, Mike, Well, thanks for joining me. Good
35:13
Speaker 1: luck to you and the guys from Harlan Bow Hunter.
35:15
Speaker 1: I hope it cools down for you. And that concludes
35:18
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35:22
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35:25
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