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No Home Night Games For Ohio State: What Can The Buckeyes Do About It? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning. For Tuesday, November 3rd, I'm
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  Speaker 1: off at 3.30 on CBS. Why do I mention that? Well,
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  Speaker 1: because we just found out when the last remaining Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State home game on the schedule will be kicking off.
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  Speaker 1: And to the surprise of absolutely no one in the
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State fan base, Ohio State Northwestern will be kicking
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  Speaker 1: off at noon. We already knew the Ohio State Michigan
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  Speaker 1: game was kicking off at noon. So how many home
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  Speaker 1: games will the Buckeyes have for primetime kickoffs this year? Mr. Blutarski, 0.0.
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  Speaker 1: How is that going over? Well, let's bring in Tony
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  Speaker 1: Gerderman of Buckeye Insiders to talk about that. Tony, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for media folks, noon kickoffs are fine. We can get home,
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  Speaker 1: watch the primetime games, no problem. For Ohio State fans,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like exactly what they were looking for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not even to mention for Ohio State recruiting,
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  Speaker 2: it's not what they're looking for either. But yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Night games used to be a very rare thing because
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  Speaker 2: you'd have to bring in the lights. You'd have to
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  Speaker 2: bring in the must-go lights back when we were in
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  Speaker 2: college and you'd have the trucks come in and bring
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  Speaker 2: them in because there were no permanent lights. And it
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  Speaker 2: was a special thing to be on at night on
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  Speaker 2: ESPN or ABC or whatever. And now it's like, it's
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  Speaker 2: a special thing to be able to be bypassed by
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  Speaker 2: two other networks so that you can be on NBC
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  Speaker 2: or FS1 at night And for Ohio State, getting bypassed
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  Speaker 2: is just not something TV is going to do, and Fox,
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  Speaker 2: when they have the opportunity, is seemingly not going to do.
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  Speaker 2: And so now this will be the fourth of at
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  Speaker 2: least five noon games for Ohio State on Fox, and
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  Speaker 2: that's not counting the Ball State 12.30 p.m. on Big
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  Speaker 2: Ten Network, because that's a completely different time slot. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's unfortunate because... you're, you look at the schedule and
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  Speaker 2: you're thinking, well, you know, I guess as times continue
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  Speaker 2: to build, like, well, I guess maybe this would be
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  Speaker 2: the most likely night game being Northwestern. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: we both said, because you look at the others and
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  Speaker 2: you know, especially it was either like Maryland or Northwestern.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, I don't think that's anything any Ohio
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  Speaker 2: state fans want to hear at the start of the season.
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  Speaker 2: And yet, you know, still you'd like to have one,
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  Speaker 2: like we've got a group chat going on and somebody mentioned, well, no,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's a UCLA night game against a, against
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  Speaker 2: the bad UCLA team a year ago. And people were
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  Speaker 2: happy with that because you just, you know, it's fun
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  Speaker 2: being at Ohio stadium at night and you don't get
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  Speaker 2: to do it enough. And, you know, this weekend they'll
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  Speaker 2: be there at night, but they won't get to enjoy
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  Speaker 2: preparing for the team at night.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a three 30 kickoff this weekend, which feels like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we'll, we'll get out of there and it'll
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  Speaker 1: be dark and it'll feel like, Oh boy. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of get half a night game this week, but,
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  Speaker 1: You get the sense. Ohio State, I don't think they've
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  Speaker 1: officially announced this, but there is plenty of circumstantial evidence
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  Speaker 1: that they're planning to wear the black uniforms for the
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  Speaker 1: Northwestern game, which certainly when we saw that, suggested that
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  Speaker 1: they would be planning on a primetime kickoff for that one.
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  Speaker 1: So you wonder if the deal may be changed there,
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  Speaker 1: because otherwise that would kind of be a weird game
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  Speaker 1: to wear your special uniforms for. But yeah, it is
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  Speaker 1: a little weird for Ohio State to, like if it's
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  Speaker 1: the biggest game of the week, And Fox gets it like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we get it. We understand like that's kind of part
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  Speaker 1: of the deal right now. But when you think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Kent State is the big noon game and Gus Johnson
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  Speaker 1: is there yawning through like an incredibly disinterested broadcast. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they have had, you know, the Ohio University game last year.
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  Speaker 1: That was a primetime game. And was that the most
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  Speaker 1: compelling game of the season? No, but to your point,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of, you know, it was probably fun
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  Speaker 1: for fans to be there. you know, my wife and
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  Speaker 1: kids went to that game and it was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it was fun to go to a night game. It was,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of cool to be there. And it
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  Speaker 1: was this year you got, you know, sorry, sorry for everyone.
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  Speaker 1: The rest of the big 10 sucks. So it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be, it's going to be a new big noon
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  Speaker 1: kickoff or Kent state. And that's kind of part of
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  Speaker 1: the problem right now where, you know, part of the
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  Speaker 1: problem is Ohio state fans watch too many Ohio state
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  Speaker 1: football games. So Fox knows they're going to get a
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  Speaker 1: lot of eyeballs. So you, yes, you, you are part
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  Speaker 1: of the problem. uh, for supporting your team, which I
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  Speaker 1: guess isn't really much of a problem, but that's, that's
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  Speaker 1: certainly a factor that plays into this, but man, you wonder,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, this is all, this is not just
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  Speaker 1: annoying to Ohio state fans. I think Ohio state, when
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to bring in recruits from, from other, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from West, the West coast or something like that, and
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  Speaker 1: they're playing a high school football game on a Friday night,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way they can get to a noon game
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  Speaker 1: on the East coast. I mean, it really is almost
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  Speaker 1: logistically impossible. And it's hard for guys, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: people from the South to get up to Columbus and
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  Speaker 1: get there in time for a noon game. And this
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of games during the course of the
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  Speaker 1: season where that's true. And so then the question becomes, OK,
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  Speaker 1: so what can Ohio State do about it? And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you anytime anyone's mad about anything, it's just, well, leave, leave.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Michigan was going to leave. Michigan was going
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  Speaker 1: to leave the Big Ten and go to the SEC
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  Speaker 1: because Jim Harbaugh got caught cheating and the Big Ten
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  Speaker 1: had the temerity to do something about it. Like, well,
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  Speaker 1: and surprise, Michigan has not left the Big Ten for
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  Speaker 1: the SEC. So I know that's everyone's immediate reaction is
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  Speaker 1: leave the Big Ten and just go somewhere else. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there is a way that is
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  Speaker 1: sort of theoretically possible. But I think the first thing
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  Speaker 1: that I would look at from Ohio State's perspective is
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  Speaker 1: when the next Big Ten rights are up, and I
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  Speaker 1: believe it's after the 2030 season is when the Big
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  Speaker 1: Ten TV contract is up. I think you got one
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  Speaker 1: of two options, Tony. One is either you have some
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  Speaker 1: kind of a contractual limit on a team can only
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  Speaker 1: play so many home noon kickoffs by contract, or number two,
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  Speaker 1: you can continue to schedule things the way they are,
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  Speaker 1: But if Ohio State and Michigan or Oregon or whoever
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  Speaker 1: else you want to give special treatment to, if they're
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  Speaker 1: going to sort of carry the banner for the league
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  Speaker 1: and sort of bring everyone value, that's fine. But Purdue
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  Speaker 1: and Northwestern, you don't get as much money as Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State does.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we saw Texas and Oklahoma do this in
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  Speaker 2: the Big 12, and people didn't like it. The money
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  Speaker 2: now at this point and the things you're asking of
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State and Purdue, I'd say others like it, but
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  Speaker 2: really it's mostly just Ohio State at this point in
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  Speaker 2: the Big Ten. There should be some sort of a perk,
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  Speaker 2: and yes, if you're going to be as reliant upon them,
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  Speaker 2: then they should be a little bit rewarded more for it. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the Big Ten has always been one for all and
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  Speaker 2: all for one, and they would never do this. This
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  Speaker 2: is no longer Jim Delaney's Big Ten. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: if anybody's aware of that. It's been a while since
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  Speaker 2: it has been, and thankfully it's not Kevin Warren's Big
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  Speaker 2: Ten either. And not that Tony Petitti has a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of fans right now either. Maybe we need Jim Delaney's
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  Speaker 2: Big Ten now that I talk it out loud. But
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  Speaker 2: if Ohio State is going to carry the load, then
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  Speaker 2: they should get a different share than everybody else that isn't. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm thinking, you know, there's a bowl revenue,
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  Speaker 2: like bowl share, like you get whatever for this. Or
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  Speaker 2: when teams would get– the conference would get so much
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  Speaker 2: for making the BCS and like you make BCS since
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  Speaker 2: another 18 million or whatever. I'm saying, yeah, everybody gets
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  Speaker 2: the revenue. Ohio state gets more, but if you're on
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  Speaker 2: big 10, if you're on big noon, by the end,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you get whatever, 5 million, you know, for it.
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  Speaker 2: And by the, at the end of the season, you
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  Speaker 2: tallied up and there's an extra 25 million for you
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  Speaker 2: or something like that. Because this is, it's, it's detrimental
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  Speaker 2: to recruiting in the, the actual on, on-field game day recruiting,
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  Speaker 2: which Ohio State needs some sort of compensation for, but also, like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there's a ton of eyes on them, and Fox does
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  Speaker 2: good in the noon, you know, 12 p.m. slot. I wonder, Tom,
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  Speaker 2: how many 16-year-olds are watching, I don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in terms of high school recruits are watching 12 p.m., noon,
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  Speaker 2: Big Ten football. I don't know, and so, like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: with you. I think there's going to be some uneven
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  Speaker 2: revenue share in this. But also, I think beyond that,
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  Speaker 2: if you're on Fox, you should be compensated for that differently.
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  Speaker 2: And Fox is like, well, we're compensating the conference. Then
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  Speaker 2: the conference needs to compensate the programs differently, however that is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the other piece of this is Fox moved
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  Speaker 1: the big, big noon kickoff model because it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of like you were going, it's the old Jefferson pilot
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  Speaker 1: games basically, where it was, you know, three and eight
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  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt versus two and nine Kentucky. And that was sort
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  Speaker 1: of what was getting thrown up against you. And that
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  Speaker 1: was like, I say noon Big Ten kickoff, and 20
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  Speaker 1: years ago, you're hearing Pam Ward's voice in your head,
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  Speaker 1: and she's calling Northwestern and Michigan State at Ryan Field
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  Speaker 1: literally every week. It's like, I don't know how these
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  Speaker 1: teams are playing the noon ESPN2 game every week, but
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  Speaker 1: every week, Pam Ward is calling 2005 Michigan State versus Northwestern.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not the case anymore. ESPN has looked at
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  Speaker 1: Fox and the numbers that they're doing for the noon
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  Speaker 1: games and going, oh, well, people do watch at noon.
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  Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden the noon window is
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  Speaker 1: not quite the goldmine than it was a few years ago.
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  Speaker 1: So by the time 2030 rolls around, there's no guarantee
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  Speaker 1: that Fox will be... Fox and the Big Ten are
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  Speaker 1: pretty closely tied together right now because Fox owns half
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  Speaker 1: of the Big Ten network. So I don't think you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to just you know, launch Fox
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  Speaker 1: into the... shove Fox into the escape pod and jettison
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  Speaker 1: them off into space. I think you're kind of... they're
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  Speaker 1: kind of tethered together right now. But there's no guarantee
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  Speaker 1: that that noon slot will be Fox's spot forever. They
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  Speaker 1: could theoretically move to another time slot with their first
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  Speaker 1: available game. So that's sort of one question. The other
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  Speaker 1: piece of this is... This is not me saying this
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  Speaker 1: is two years from now what's going to happen or
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  Speaker 1: anything like this. But just a couple weeks ago, the
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  Speaker 1: president of the University of Miami came out and talked
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  Speaker 1: about the fact that they were thinking maybe they're just
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  Speaker 1: going to go independent if they don't like the deal
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  Speaker 1: they're getting from the ACC. That's something that could theoretically
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  Speaker 1: happen at some point because you've got the Save College
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  Speaker 1: Sports Act right now that is– we'll see whether that
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  Speaker 1: gets through Congress or not. But if it does, there's
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of restrictions on being able to jump from
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  Speaker 1: one power conference to another power conference. There's nothing that
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  Speaker 1: says you can't leave a power conference and go be
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  Speaker 1: an independent. So if Florida State and Clemson and Miami
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  Speaker 1: and North Carolina, for example, decide, well, we don't want
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  Speaker 1: to split money with the rest of the ACC anymore,
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  Speaker 1: they can go independent. I mean, the president of Miami
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  Speaker 1: said that into a microphone. So this is not like
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  Speaker 1: a big conspiracy theory. This is something they're actively talking
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  Speaker 1: about right now. Michigan and Ohio State and Alabama and
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  Speaker 1: Georgia at some point, probably not 2030, but at some point,
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  Speaker 1: whenever the TV deals are up next, decide, what if
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have to give money to Vanderbilt and Northwestern
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  Speaker 1: and Kentucky and Purdue? You could just go and go
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  Speaker 1: be independent, cut your own TV deal. And then you
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  Speaker 1: can be independent and just play each other every year.
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  Speaker 1: And it's basically like a conference, except it's just all
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  Speaker 1: the good teams. So you know, there's a million different
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  Speaker 1: ways this could all play out. And, you know, everyone
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  Speaker 1: says Super League and assumes it's going to be a conference.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily mean that's how it's going to be.
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  Speaker 1: And again, this is not like I'm expecting this to
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  Speaker 1: happen before the 2029 season, but that's at some point
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  Speaker 1: in the future. Don't be shocked if that's the direction
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  Speaker 1: the sport takes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you've got 24 independents, I wonder if they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be talking to each other about scheduling and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. Real quick, back to the big noon stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So this week, the big noon kickoff, the big noon
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  Speaker 2: game is UCLA, number five UCLA at Minnesota. Pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 2: ABC has number seven BYU at number three Utah at
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  Speaker 2: 12 p.m. ESPN, same network, family of network, has number
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  Speaker 2: 10 Texas at number 19 Missouri for 12 p.m. Those
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  Speaker 2: two games are probably going to beat the Fox game perhaps,
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  Speaker 2: or at least the ESPN might come real close. Certainly
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  Speaker 2: you would think maybe BYU, Utah. But together, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to beat that Fox game. Now back to the whole
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  Speaker 2: going independent. Every move that we've seen made over the last,
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  Speaker 2: since the Big Ten Network, every progressive move has been
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  Speaker 2: about more money, more money, more money. And what about
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  Speaker 2: going independent at this time would be about less money
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  Speaker 2: or would mean less money just depends on you know
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  Speaker 2: what the television stuff is out there and also like
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  Speaker 2: what what is the television side of things going to
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  Speaker 2: look like if amazon comes to you and said you
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  Speaker 2: know for 140 million dollars a year why don't you
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  Speaker 2: go independent is anybody saying no to that i mean
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  Speaker 2: amazon that's that's money out of the sock drawer for
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  Speaker 2: them if they really you know think it would drive
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  Speaker 2: now everybody's gonna you know uh ohio state fans are
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  Speaker 2: going to sign up for Prime now, and now we've
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  Speaker 2: got them, you know, free shipping. That's what it's all about.
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  Speaker 2: But we don't know what the TV aspect of this
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  Speaker 2: whole thing is going to look like in a few
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  Speaker 2: years and how much, you know, is the revenue going
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  Speaker 2: to continue to go up? At some point, does it
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  Speaker 2: start going down? Because you can't afford to pay Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State and Pat McAfee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you would think that Ohio State would probably
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  Speaker 1: win out there, but If they don't, well, if ESPN
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  Speaker 1: is going to pay Pat McAfee, to your point, what's
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  Speaker 1: the most valuable, single most valuable regular season college football
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  Speaker 1: game on the calendar every year? Tony, go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: ring in and give the answer to me in the
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  Speaker 1: form of a question.
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  Speaker 2: Tom, what is the game, Ohio State and Michigan?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Tony, it's a football game that's played on the
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  Speaker 1: Saturday after Thanksgiving, but that's not important right now. What
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  Speaker 1: is important is if you're Amazon... Who's in the market
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  Speaker 1: to advertise to people right around, oh, say the day
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  Speaker 1: after Black Friday and offer free shipping and that type
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  Speaker 1: of thing? Hmm, interesting, interesting. So again, not reporting, just
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  Speaker 1: sort of throwing some stuff out there that this is
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  Speaker 1: the kind of thing that when you're looking at what
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  Speaker 1: are things gonna look at, whether it's five years or
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  Speaker 1: 10 years or 15 years into the future, this is
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  Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that is gonna drive that decision.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you're Ohio State and Michigan, And Amazon's willing
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  Speaker 1: to say, like, I mean, I don't know what Fox
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  Speaker 1: makes on the Ohio State-Michigan game every year, but I
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  Speaker 1: would guess it's probably in terms of gross revenue, probably
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  Speaker 1: at least what they're paying Ohio State and Michigan, probably
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  Speaker 1: in terms of like an entire TV deal. So if
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to divide that pie 18 ways, well,
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  Speaker 1: there's a little more pie for you, which is who
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  Speaker 1: isn't looking for a little more pie every Thanksgiving weekend?
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  Speaker 1: So there you go. why the Ohio state noon kickoff
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  Speaker 1: against Northwestern might be a little bit of an indication
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  Speaker 1: of where things might be headed in five to 10
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  Speaker 1: years of college football, maybe 15. We'll see again, not reporting,
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  Speaker 1: just sort of mentioning some things that a thing that
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  Speaker 1: the university of Miami president said a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 1: ago and some other stuff that might just be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a tip off of what's to come.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go. We wanted to just sort of
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  Speaker 1: run that all past you, not saying Ohio state needs
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  Speaker 1: to throw a fit and leave the big 10 tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what we're saying. We're just saying, Hey, keep
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  Speaker 1: for today. Thank you guys all for joining us. Have
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  Speaker 1: a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.