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Patriots Draft Countdown Previewing the Offensive Line with Brandon Thorn · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: And today we're gonna touching on a number of topics
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  Speaker 3: all related to the draft. We've got a great offensive
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  Speaker 3: line preview. Evan had a chance to sit down and
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  Speaker 3: talk with Brandon Thorne really drilled down on some of
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  Speaker 3: those offensive line prospects. But first here in this first segment,
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  Speaker 3: we're just gonna kind of catch everybody up on some
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  Speaker 3: of the latest news that's happened over the last week
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  Speaker 3: since the last episode relating directly to the Patriots and
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  Speaker 3: how it impacts their draft.
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  Speaker 2: So, guys want to start at the top. Justin Fields.
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  Speaker 3: He is now a Pittsburgh Steeler, So we know we
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  Speaker 3: spent a lot of time talking over the last few
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  Speaker 3: months about Justin Field's potential to come here. Now he's
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  Speaker 3: kind of off the table to start with you, Paul,
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  Speaker 3: you know, what was kind of your reaction to that,
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  Speaker 3: and how do you think that does that impact the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots at all?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say personally, just you know,
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  Speaker 4: very selfishly, I'm glad that he got moved to somebody
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  Speaker 4: so we could sort of stop with Like to me,
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  Speaker 4: when they signed Jakobe Brissett, that kind of eliminated the
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  Speaker 4: Justin Fields portion of the Patriots connection to that possibility,
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  Speaker 4: but the questions were persisting, So I'm glad it kind
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  Speaker 4: of got resolved. I'm not overly surprised. I think if
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  Speaker 4: you saw it, like you know, Chicago had made it
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  Speaker 4: clear that they were looking to deal him. They wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do right by him and move him as quickly
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  Speaker 4: as they could, and it took a while. So that
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  Speaker 4: told me that there wasn't a tremendous amount of interest.
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  Speaker 4: Now they also people around the league. If you're interested
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  Speaker 4: in Justin Fields, you knew Chicago was going to have
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  Speaker 4: to release him at some point if they weren't able
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  Speaker 4: to make a deal, So that lowers the value you know,
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  Speaker 4: a conditional pick if he plays for Pittsburgh, it's a
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  Speaker 4: fourth round pick. If he doesn't, it's a sixth round pick.
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  Speaker 4: So I think it's probably the best for Chicago and
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  Speaker 4: fields Pittsburgh specifically. I know we're not necessarily caring about Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 4: I think it makes a little sense because I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sold on Russell Wilson, and I know they've said that
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  Speaker 4: it's Russell Wilson's job, but we'll see.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense for Pittsburgh because
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  Speaker 5: they have the twentieth pick in the draft, so they're
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  Speaker 5: not gonna have an opportunity to take a Jayden Daniels
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  Speaker 5: or Drake may or one of these guys. So their
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  Speaker 5: upside play is justin fields, which I think makes sense
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  Speaker 5: for a team like that. But clearly teams like the Commanders,
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  Speaker 5: teams like the Patriots, teams like the Minnesota Vikings, they
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  Speaker 5: didn't have much interest in justin fields because they were
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  Speaker 5: more worried about the guys in the draft and Tyler
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  Speaker 5: talking about contract and value and things like that. Justin
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  Speaker 5: Field's coming up in his fourth year. He's gonna have
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  Speaker 5: to get paid at some point, even if he is
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  Speaker 5: starting caliber or versus starting all over. First year of
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  Speaker 5: a rookie contract. Now you have team control for the
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  Speaker 5: next five years. It's a much different scenario. So I
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  Speaker 5: get it for a team like Pittsburgh. I never really
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  Speaker 5: got it for a team like the Patriots that had
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  Speaker 5: that pick to be able to take a quarterback in
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  Speaker 5: the draft and basically do what people would want you
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  Speaker 5: to do with Justin Fields, which is develop him and
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  Speaker 5: hope that you can tap into the upside. So it
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  Speaker 5: makes sense that he's not coming here makes sense for Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 5: I think the Justin Fields too, and Justin Fields and
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  Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison junior pairing that everybody called in and emailed in.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry rip to that take.
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  Speaker 2: That was me.
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  Speaker 6: Tp right up, Like part of me is a little upset.
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  Speaker 6: I've always been a Justin Fields guy. I'm surprised how
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  Speaker 6: cheap he ended up going to Pittsburgh for. But as
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  Speaker 6: Paul said, I'm kind of happy this is done with.
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  Speaker 6: It's fun to, like, you know, picture what could have happened.
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  Speaker 6: But it's done. He's in Pittsburgh. I'll be upset about it,
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  Speaker 6: but I'll.
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  Speaker 2: Get over it.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just some clarity though as we get into
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  Speaker 3: this last month, it's like, you know, I mean My
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  Speaker 3: favorite part of the draft usually is the day after
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  Speaker 3: the draft, when you're like, here's the ten guys that
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  Speaker 3: you have and you can just kind of focus on
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  Speaker 3: those instead of doing all this speculation. So that speculation
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  Speaker 3: is now out. So I'm glad about that. But the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots did make a move this weekend, signing kJ Osborne, receiver,
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  Speaker 3: kind of the third receiver there in Minnesota. We know
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  Speaker 3: they missed out on Calvin Ridley really, you know, coming
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  Speaker 3: in with a big offer kind of showing. I think
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  Speaker 3: that this you know, regime understands that you got to
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  Speaker 3: take a big swing on those kind of players. But
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  Speaker 3: they're settling for kJ Osborne, who kind of himself settles
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  Speaker 3: into a group Paul that it kind of looks similar
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  Speaker 3: to me. You know, it's it's kJ Osbourne, It's it's
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  Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne. It's a lot of those kind of not
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  Speaker 3: a big outside X guy, a lot of these guys
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  Speaker 3: that you can kind of move around in the slot.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see how it all plays out, but I think
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  Speaker 3: they've got nine receivers on the roster.
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  Speaker 4: Throw Jamario Douglass in there too, and I agree, and listen,
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  Speaker 4: he's been you know, I would say a professional receiver.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's he's been reasonably productive in Minnesota, So
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't think this is a move like
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  Speaker 4: you just like scoff at. But you do wonder, you know,
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  Speaker 4: where those outside guys, the guys that Evan's been talking
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  Speaker 4: about for the last couple of weeks, those X receivers,
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  Speaker 4: where are they're gonna come from. Mike Williams is still,
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  Speaker 4: you know available, kind of a strange story about him
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  Speaker 4: with the Jets, you know, coming out over the last
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  Speaker 4: couple of days. But I like Osborne. I think it's
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  Speaker 4: a good addition. I think create more competition. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's some insurance if Kenrick Bourne doesn't you know, bounce back,
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  Speaker 4: you know from the town. Acl is as quickly and
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  Speaker 4: as well as as everybody hopes, so you know, bring
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  Speaker 4: them in, create some competition. You need a lot of
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  Speaker 4: receivers in camp. Those guys run a lot in camp.
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  Speaker 3: I wann to t up Evan just because what do
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  Speaker 3: you think this does to affect their draft needs? Because
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  Speaker 3: you've talked a lot about it. Paul just mentioned you
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  Speaker 3: talking about it, the need for an outside X. They
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  Speaker 3: got rid of Devonte Parker, who pretty much played that
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  Speaker 3: role last year. I look at this roster, I don't
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  Speaker 3: see anybody on it. So would you say going into
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  Speaker 3: the draft that we don't really need to spend time
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  Speaker 3: thinking about these Z kind of receivers. Let's focus on
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  Speaker 3: guys that could potentially be an X.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say yes, But at the same time,
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  Speaker 5: I would hate to pigeonhole yourself just to one type
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  Speaker 5: of receiver, because that's what it looks like on paper.
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  Speaker 5: You're missing. The Patriots need talent at that position. So
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  Speaker 5: if they grade out Ladd McConkie as a much better
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  Speaker 5: player than Keon coleman, and they should draft Lad McConkie,
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  Speaker 5: they shouldn't draft Keon coleman. You figure it out down
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  Speaker 5: the road. But you look at some of these receivers
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  Speaker 5: in that X mold, some guys they're probably going to
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  Speaker 5: go in the first round. Obviously we know about Marvin
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  Speaker 5: Harrison Junior, Romadoonze, those guys off the top of the draft.
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  Speaker 5: Then you go to the Brian Thomas juniors, the Ady
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  Speaker 5: Mitchell tier, that sort of next wave. Keon Coleman to
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  Speaker 5: me is somewhere in the middle between the next wave.
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  Speaker 5: On Day two in the first round, guys, and then
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  Speaker 5: you'd see some of those probably around three picks, like
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  Speaker 5: a tes Walker, like a Brendan Rice. So I know
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people like because of the lineage and
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  Speaker 5: everything like that. So I think all those guys are
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  Speaker 5: interesting for different reasons. I'm not the biggest fan of
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  Speaker 5: Coleman gives me too many Nikhil Harry vibes with, you know,
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  Speaker 5: no separation, contested catch type of guy. I really do
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  Speaker 5: like Brendan Rice a lot, not just because his father's
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  Speaker 5: Jerry Rice, but just watching him on film. Explosive guy,
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  Speaker 5: can run routes as an ex bigger guy, can win
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  Speaker 5: to tested catches, but also seems to be able to
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  Speaker 5: get separation on slants and breakers, things like that. So
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  Speaker 5: there's some guys there. And then obviously just quickly tes
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  Speaker 5: Walker pairing him with Drake may Is college quarterback. Maybe
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  Speaker 5: they go that direction for you.
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  Speaker 2: So I love it.
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  Speaker 6: I would love it. I need something that moves the needle.
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  Speaker 6: kJ Osborne, it's just tough. We missed out on Ridley
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  Speaker 6: Keenan a left and it's like here's kJ Osbourne, Like,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, we need something.
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  Speaker 4: So I just met the whole college quarterback receiver.
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  Speaker 2: I would love that. I would love that.
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  Speaker 5: He scares me a little bit, I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 5: I think part of it is because of the offense
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  Speaker 5: that he played in at North Carolina. It's an air
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  Speaker 5: raid system, so a lot of his reps are just
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  Speaker 5: him running by people in a straight line. And those
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  Speaker 5: types of guys always give me concern because they don't
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  Speaker 5: have a lot of branches on the route tree. Yet
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  Speaker 5: you know, is he going to be able to run
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  Speaker 5: three different levels of routes. Senior Bowl was not a
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  Speaker 5: good week for him either. So as much as I
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  Speaker 5: love the idea of taking the college quarterback and pairing
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  Speaker 5: him with his number one receiver, there are some concerns
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  Speaker 5: with tes Walker on film that you are a little
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  Speaker 5: bit hesitant. Maybe third or fourth round would be good value,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm probably not taking him inside the top fifty.
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  Speaker 6: If you take someone in the third or the fourth.
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  Speaker 6: As du said, we have nine receivers on a roster.
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  Speaker 6: That's pretty open competition for me. So if you're a rookie,
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  Speaker 6: come in like this is your chance to do it.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, Well, I mean one more question though, is
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  Speaker 3: usually you know you talk about the X receiver, These
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  Speaker 3: are the big dogs, right, These are the guys that
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  Speaker 3: you know don't need help. They can get off the line,
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  Speaker 3: they can get off press. Is it too much to
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  Speaker 3: kind of hope to develop a guy like that? Not
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  Speaker 3: quite as crazy as like a quarterback, Like usually if
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  Speaker 3: you're in a quarterback Day two, day three, it's it's
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  Speaker 3: a developmental guy. You're probably not having high hopes that
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  Speaker 3: this guy is going to be a star.
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  Speaker 2: But is it unreasonable to.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of hope that you could take a guy like
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  Speaker 3: that in the middle of the draft and that he
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  Speaker 3: will develop into a legit outside presence that draws coverage
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  Speaker 3: and attention from defenses.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's probably case by case, but I don't
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  Speaker 4: think it's unreasonable to expect. I mean, whatever the style
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  Speaker 4: of receiver, we've seen a lot of guys over the
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  Speaker 4: last five seven years, not necessarily be those blue chip
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  Speaker 4: guys in the first round really develop into weapons in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL. I mean, I have to do a little
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  Speaker 4: more research to see how many of those guys are
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  Speaker 4: strictly outside guys as opposed to slot guys. But you
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  Speaker 4: know the names everybody knows, you know, Pooka and the
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  Speaker 4: cop as a fifth round pick last year, you know,
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  Speaker 4: comes in and he looks like a seasoned veteran from
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  Speaker 4: you know, week one did a lot of that, by
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  Speaker 4: the way, without Cooper Cup early in the year when
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  Speaker 4: when Cup was injured, so he didn't even have the
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  Speaker 4: luxury of you know, kJ Osborne. There's probably a thought
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  Speaker 4: in your mind that all he's playing with Justin Jefferson
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  Speaker 4: and even a little like last year with Jordan Addison
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  Speaker 4: who had a really good rookie year, how good is
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  Speaker 4: he or is he just benefiting from open space kind
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  Speaker 4: of you know makeshift Juju Smith Schuster thing with with
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  Speaker 4: Kansas City from the year before. I think he's probably
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  Speaker 4: a little bit better than that, not just a product
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  Speaker 4: of the guys he was around, but that you know,
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  Speaker 4: that's something you have to keep in mind when you
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  Speaker 4: watch some of these guys in college too. But I
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  Speaker 4: think you can develop. Why can't you develop a guy?
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely think you can.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think when you said that about kJ Osborne,
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  Speaker 5: there's a touchdown of his last year where they just
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  Speaker 5: ran it was called scissors, just two crossing routes like
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  Speaker 5: this and three guys go to Justin Jefferson and he's
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  Speaker 5: just all alone in the corner of the end zone
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  Speaker 5: by himself, and I was like, all right, well, we
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  Speaker 5: got the guy that can catch it when he's all
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  Speaker 5: alone in the end zone. But who's the guy that's
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  Speaker 5: taking three guys with him in the coverage?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 5: And that's what we're all talking about. That's what Matist
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  Speaker 5: was talking about. And I think some of these guys
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  Speaker 5: in the draft. The good thing is is that some
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  Speaker 5: of these Day two guys, especially early Day two guys,
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  Speaker 5: probably would be first round picks in different drafts. This
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  Speaker 5: draft is so loaded at the receiver position that if
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  Speaker 5: you were to put some of these players in last
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  Speaker 5: year's draft class, then a lot of those guys would
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  Speaker 5: be in the conversation with the Zay Flowers of Quinton
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  Speaker 5: Johnson to Jackson Smith and Jigba. They're all in that
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  Speaker 5: same tier. So thirty four is a nice pick to
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  Speaker 5: have because if some of those guys slipped through the
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  Speaker 5: cracks that you might have a really really high grade on,
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  Speaker 5: but they don't end up going in the first round,
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  Speaker 5: you're going to have that opportunity at the top of
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  Speaker 5: the second round or even to trade in late first
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  Speaker 5: round to grab one of those guys. I'll mention one
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  Speaker 5: more name who I don't know if he's necessarily going
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  Speaker 5: to be a prototypical ex but xavierly Get from South
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  Speaker 5: Carolina is rising extremely quick and had a great combine
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  Speaker 5: two hundred and twenty one pounds, ran a sub four
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  Speaker 5: four two twenty one six foot two two twenty one.
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  Speaker 5: He can really move. I think he's like across prospect wise,
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  Speaker 5: between AJ Brown and Debo, he's like right in the middle.
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  Speaker 5: He's more natural receiver than Debo, but he's not quite
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  Speaker 5: as big and stocky as AJ Brown, So he's like
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  Speaker 5: right in the middle of those two guys. And he
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  Speaker 5: had a great season last year at South Carolina. So
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  Speaker 5: those types of guys like a like a Leget that
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  Speaker 5: are explosive, good with the ball in their hands, you know,
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  Speaker 5: chess pieces that you can move around the formation. I
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  Speaker 5: could see those types of guys developing into what we're
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  Speaker 5: all looking for at the next level. Maybe not as
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  Speaker 5: we get into the tes Walkers, the Brendan Rice is
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  Speaker 5: that tier. Those guys are probably just this is my
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  Speaker 5: role and I'm gonna play it type of guys. But
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  Speaker 5: there are some guys at the top of the second
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  Speaker 5: round that are intriguing that that could fit in terms
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  Speaker 5: of drawing coverage and being that that big time coverage dictator.
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  Speaker 2: You got, anybody tech, what do you want? You want
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  Speaker 2: that X receiver.
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  Speaker 6: I know I'm a big Xavier Worthy guy. I know
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  Speaker 6: he's not Zachty straight X, but you know he's a burner.
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  Speaker 6: I know Evan doesn't like the burners, but he's proved it.
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  Speaker 7: I love the burners. I don't like that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm normally not a guy that likes the Keon Coleman
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  Speaker 5: types like I need separation at the top of the
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  Speaker 5: route and if you want that, Xavier Worthy's guy all that.
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  Speaker 5: I think one thing about Xavier Worthy that we have
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  Speaker 5: to remember this is not just a really good combine tester.
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  Speaker 5: This is a guy that has great film at Texas
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  Speaker 5: on top of the fact that he broke the combine record.
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people come swooping in towards
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  Speaker 5: this time of year and are like, well, what makes
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  Speaker 5: this guy different from Taekwon? What makes this guy different
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  Speaker 5: from John Ross or some of these other guys that
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  Speaker 5: ran really fast. His film at Texas shows legit route
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  Speaker 5: running on top of the fact that he runs a
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  Speaker 5: four to two to one.
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  Speaker 6: I love both the Texas kids.
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  Speaker 2: So that's all there, you go.
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  Speaker 3: We could talk about receivers all day long, but this
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  Speaker 3: is going to be a show about offensive line. So
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  Speaker 3: we four of us sat down and.
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  Speaker 5: Oh right, yeah, I totally forgot about that.
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  Speaker 2: So check out. Here are our discussion on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're here in the studio.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking offensive lines, and guys, this is
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  Speaker 3: a big position, a need. First though, I gotta welcome
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  Speaker 3: in Chris Cassidy making his debut here on Patriots Draft Countdown.
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  Speaker 2: Chris, we do good. You kind of you play a
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  Speaker 2: little offensive line? Yeah, a little bit.
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  Speaker 8: I dabbled, dabbled in high school, not so much in college,
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  Speaker 8: so eligibility left well four years. But I don't think
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  Speaker 8: I'm gonna be taking that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So guys, we do as we get through free agency.
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  Speaker 3: At least the initial part this is this is a
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  Speaker 3: big need on this team and they didn't really address
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  Speaker 3: it with it with a notable piece at least when
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  Speaker 3: we're recording this right now. So sizeable need maybe not
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  Speaker 3: something they could take. But Evan, I'm gonna start with
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  Speaker 3: you because you have, like you said, there are about
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  Speaker 3: nine guys I have a kind of go in the
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  Speaker 3: first round. I think you're gonna just rattle some of
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  Speaker 3: them off.
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  Speaker 7: So is that what we want me to do?
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  Speaker 5: Because it's it's the easiest way to do this right now,
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  Speaker 5: we can just talk about the ones that we like.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously at the top you have Oli, Shanu and or
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  Speaker 5: fash Now. I'm gonna get it right, Olu fash Now
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  Speaker 5: and Joe Alt the time we go, j C. Latham,
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: Marius Smith is from Georgia, Talise Fugawa from Oregon State,
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: Tyler Geiton, Jordan Morgan, Troy fott Now, Kingsley, Sue, and
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: I tie Patrick Paul. I would say that ten right
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: there or nine, whatever that is, is the start of
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: the first I would say top fifty picks in the draft.
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: You're talking about at least nine guys in the top fifty,
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: maybe six in the first round. It's gonna be a
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: top heavy class, but it's there's a ton of talent
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: at the top.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: So we know, like you said, a ton of talent
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: at the top. Maybe not what the Patriots are gonna hit.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: Maybe we've talked about trading back up into the second
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: round to maybe or low first round, maybe early second
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: round is where the Patriots already are, but they probably
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: not gonna have a chance of those top guys. Maybe
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: some of the lesser ones though, guys, So let's just
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: kind of go around. We've all been doing our studying.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: We found some guys we like, maybe that like you know,
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: day two, kind of in that range, Paul, what caught.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Your eye here on your extensive that.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: Showed up to the midterm and hasn't been at the
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: class all year? You know me in the offensive line,
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: I don't go as in depth as most and certainly
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: not anywhere near as in depth as Evan does. I
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: do love those two guys at the top, and if
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: for whatever, I just want to throw the caveat out
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: the ear for whatever, for a reason, they don't love
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: one of the quarterbacks. You know, these two guys, Alton
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: fashion Now, fashion Now, those two guys are outstanding prospects.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: So that would be the only way you could get
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: them is if you decided to trade down and maybe
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: you end up at eight or nine and one of
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: those guys falls in your lap. I do like the
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: Alabama guy. I kind of feel like that's a pretty
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: strong tradition of offensive lineman. They're not without you know,
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: Alex Leatherwooding. You know, there's there's some misses and whatnot.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: But I do like JC Latham, and I felt like
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: the kid from Georgia Mims is so ridiculously athletic, but
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't have a lot of playing experience, So that kind
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: of worries me a little bit, and I wonder if
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: that causes him to drop a little bit. A lot
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: of people feel like he's one of those that Evan
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: just mentioned, and maybe because very little real starting experience
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: experience in college. That's a lot like he doesn't have
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: anywhere near the amount of snaps that most of these
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: other guys come out of college with. Maybe that helps you.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Maybe he drops down in the the second round and
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: you can grab him. Doubtful, but I like the athleticism.
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: That's probably all I got. No, that's not bad.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: I honestly Mims start with him just because you did
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: seven career starts. He only has eight hundred snaps in
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: college under his belt. Some of these guys were going
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: to talk about over the next couple of weeks have
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: fifty career starts in college. So he's someone that is very,
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: very raw doesn't have a ton of tape that I
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: definitely think is a profile that typically does project to
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: the early second round when you start to talk about
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: guys that just have these little red flags here and there,
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: nothing major off the field or anything like that, but
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: hasn't been healthy, didn't really win the starting job early
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: on in his career.
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: That's Mims.
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: His opportunity to start as the full time starter was
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: last year and he injured his ankle and had to
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: have tight road surgery came back at the end of
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: the year. So he has someone that has all oozing
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: with physical talent. If we're talking about a player that
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: made fifty career starts in college, he's probably a top
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: ten pick off of raw tools and the film that
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: it was available, but it's just a very small sample sized.
• 17:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously, alt is in my mind, one of the
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: most can't miss prospects in this draft, if not the
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: most can't miss prospect in this draft, because of his
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: athleticism and because of his experience and really just a
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: very seasoned tackle prospect, someone that just looks like he's
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: going to walk off the bus on an NFL field
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: and be a starter right away. He's extremely athletic, great feet,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: great posture in his stance, great balance, really recognizes things
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: happening in front of him post snap movement, things like that.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: He's awesome to watch. I mean, he's one of those
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: guys that I get all excited about just watching him
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: on film. Fasher now is a little bit more raw,
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: I would say, but his physical tools are immense, but
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: he doesn't necessarily have the technique down as smoothly as
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: alt does, So he could be someone that would be
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: available in some of those trade down scenarios that Paul
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: is talking about. I think alts Floor is probably the
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: fifth or sixth pick in the draft, depending on who
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: makes those picks and where based off of trades.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Before we get Chris going, because I'm curious to hear
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: you know some of your different guys, some of the
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: different names. One thing that really stuck stood out to
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: me when watching like these top I watched the top
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: eight or ten of them really solid, Almost every one
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: of them. Pass protection is really really strong. Some of
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: them are not to me as as good in the
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: run game. And some of these guys, I think, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Evan likes to talk about the zone schemes that maybe
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: they want to be a little bit more athletic and
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: a little bit mobile. Some of these guys have that
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: and they're run blocking techniques, a little bit more mobile,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: but really impressive. I think you look at all these
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: top guys that there's almost like no sacks allowed for
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: any of them.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to get too carried away because
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: probably Patriots, unless they trade down, probably not going to
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: get these top ranked guys. But Chris, we talked a
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: little bit about some lower round guys or even you know, midday.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: What do you who stood out to you?
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, No, I looked at about like seven or so guys,
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: like say the Patriots go the quarterback ground one or
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: wide a round one, you know, guys I could follow
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: a second, third, fourth round. Even just did a little
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: bit of research. Again, seven guys, I mean I looked
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: at the zag centers of the world, Christian mahoganies. But
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: there are three guys that really stood out to me.
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: I mean those are more interior alignment. You don't really
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: need that necessarily this season. You have to see what
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: Cole Strange can do coming up, but hopefully that'll be
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: something solid. But yeah, three guys. One of them Evan
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: already mentioned was Kingsley assumataie. I mean he's a big fella.
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: He's six four, three hundred twenty six pounds. You know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: he's got great speed, right a five four forty five
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: four forty yard dash at the combine.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: You know you should have seen Evan staring at him
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: at the combine.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: He was just like, okay, So, so I'm glad you
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: brought up Kingsley because that's my guy at thirty four.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: So athleticism off the charts. Why cousin Penny Sewell, So
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: he has it in his blood right and offensive line
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: is one of those positions. And I know we do
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: this in a lot of other instances, like Marvin Harrison
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Junior with his dad and Patrick sart Tan years ago
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: with his dad. But offensive line is a unique position.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: And when you have it in your blood like that
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: is I love that. I love when you yeah, when
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: you just have that lineage of I've just grew up
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: with this. You know, I grew up doing past sets
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: in my backyard. That's what I want to hear from
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: my offensive lineman. And that's what Kingsley was talking about
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: doing with his cousin, with Penny Sewell and They are
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: very similar body types and very similar athleticism. Maybe not
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: quite as as polished as Penny was coming out of college,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: which is why he's gonna go a little bit later
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: than Penny Sewell did. But in terms of body type athleticism,
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: he's actually more athletic than Penny sewel is from the
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: combine testing, so's he's got a loays to go with
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: his technique a little bit, but in terms of just
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: raw tools, he's a really good bet.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: And one of the stats really stuck out to me
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: was in twenty twenty two, three hundred and sixty one
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: snaps to not give up one sack. So that's a
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: huge number. I mean, Patriots were one of the highest
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: pressure teams in the league last season, and I mean
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: went through two quarterbacks and you saw both of them
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: go down multiple times, and I mean having a protection
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: like that is huge. One other person, I'm gonna try
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: my best to pronounce the dame, but Kieran ahmud Imad,
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: I thought I got it earlier. Dodgy, Yeah, yeah, he's
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: from Yale. I didn't mention m. Kingsley's from BYU, but
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: from Yale. You know, Kieran another big fella six three
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: twenty six as well, only one secle out in twenty
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: four games. Again, good speed on that outside. You can
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: put them really left or right tackle, whatever you want
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: to choose. That's, of course you want to expect on
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: one new to step down to an interior ligneman type role.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: That's More's bill, That's what he fits. But I want
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: to know what you guys think about him.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Possibly, yeah, yeah, you know, I think that the biggest
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: thing when you look at him is obviously the jump
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: up in competition, especially at the offensive line. You want
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: to see a guy that dominates at that level of
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: competition if you're gonna draft him early, which you probably
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: are in maybe the third round, you know, top one hundred.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Certainly I saw some dominant streaks, but it wasn't as
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: dominant as maybe some of the other lower level guys
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: I've seen in years past.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: But he's definitely got the tools.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: I think one thing that works against him sometimes those
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: guys that are really really tall, it kind of works
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: against him in the leverage and pad level situation. So
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: he's got to get some more flexibility and be able
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: to get down. But in terms of raw tools, definitely
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: fits the mold and you hope it just translates to
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: the next level. I wish I'd seen him at the
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Senior Bowl, but he either wasn't there or had an
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: injury or something like that. But it's it's tough sometimes
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: to project those guys to the next level. But every
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: once in a while, you see a guy that just
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: looks like a man amongst boys at you know, a
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: lower level IVY League D two whatever it is, and he,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: I would say, fits that Bill.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, two more, Chris, you got who too? I got
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: one more?
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: One more?
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: I one more?
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: Well, I guess I got two more.
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: But this one, uh one of my favorite, one of
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: the more I guess interesting people that I studied. Javon
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: Foster out in the zoo. Uh again, another big fella.
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: And there's two offensive tackles that are in the upcoming
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: draft that ranked uh PFF over eighty in both categories
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: pass blocking and run blocking. And it was Joe Walt
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: and Javon Foster. And those are two huge statistical focuses there.
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: And you know, somebody with that type of stature and
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: that type of excuse me ability could go a long
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: way with this offensive line.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Yes, he was a Senior Bowl guy. Definitely a riser
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: on Senior Bowl week and just a maler.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: I think, you know, a little bit smaller than I
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: was expecting terms of weight. He's like six five three twenty,
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: but it reminded me a lot of like a Marcus
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Cannon type of Patriots right tackle. Bit more stocky guard build,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: but definitely has the play strength. And you could see
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: him just getting on double teams with the kid from Yukon,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: who I'm blanging on his name right now, the guard
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: and those two guys just were moving the line of
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: scrimmage together, yeah, Haynes. Yeah, And they were really good
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: down there in Mobile. And I look at him, I
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: look at a guy like Christian Jones from Texas to
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: as maybe guys that could slip into the fourth round
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: there for the Patriots at the top of Day three
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: when they're on the clock, as you know, good prospects
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: at that spot.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw out four Deuce's mid round guys, mostly
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: from the combine, but Tyland Grabil was the number one
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: athletic score from UCF. Really athletic tackle is you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: developmental guys. Julian Pearl another one thirty five and an
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: eighth inch Arms liked him a little bit from Illinois,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: good link. Walter Rouse from Oklahoma, another guy big, got
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the size, you know, just needs to develop a little bit.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: And finally Kid Wallace from Penn State, another highly athletic
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: guy that developmental, you know. And I think that's I
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know where they're going to land
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: in that like early second round, you know, late first
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: maybe if they get somebody in there, but it just
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: feels like a double dip kind of position. And one
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: of these guys who has a lot of athleticism that
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: you could probably at least develop for the future, so
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: you're not getting back into this problem where you have
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: no tackles.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would say the only other ones that
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: we haven't mentioned just quickly. Patrick Paul from Houston is
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: a good second round target for the Patriots. Made forty
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: forty five career starts at left tackle at Houston, so
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: his experience, I'm not sure if he's necessarily going to
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: get significantly better. He's kind of tapped out physically, but
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: definitely someone that could step in and maybe play year
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: one just because of how much college experience he had.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: And then you're really talking about guys that if they
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: did decide to trade back into the back end of
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: the first round. You know Tyler Geitton for example, you know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: is he someone that you would want to go up
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: and get Those types of players are there. You know
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Troy fought Now from Washington, he passed the thresholds for
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: tackles in terms of arm light. That was a question
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: mark with him coming into the combine. Maybe a guy
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: that would be you know, twenty five twenty to twenty
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: five range that you could sneak back up in the
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: first round and grab two. So it really is one
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: of those positions that early on, if they want that
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: day one impact starter, they got to jump on the parade.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: We talk about this all the time because they're just
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: gonna go. So once they're off the board and you
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: start getting into some of these other guys that Duce
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: mentioned or the Yale Kid or whatever, you're starting to
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: get into more developmental guys that are probably not gonna
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: be rookie starters.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I just wanted to throw and I don't remember if
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Evan had this in your list at the beginning.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: The Duke Kid Barton.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: More so, because I thought he was really and I'm
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: still sticking into the old patriotsing the versatility played some
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: center played, some left tackle. Not a lot of guys
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: play like interior and then tackle. So you know, you
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: think Mike gol when you you know a guy with
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: some versatility inside out. Yeah, not one of the top
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: rated guys, but maybe a guy on day two.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I put Dominic Puny in there too. Another guy play
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: a bunch of different spots.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Graham Barton is the kid.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Yes, so Graham Barton projects as a guard at the
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: next level. But somebody that could back up attack almost
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: like a different player than on Wenny. But just say
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: idea that he could back up drawing stuff that you like, Yeah,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: could you know pin and poll? You know that kind
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: of stuff that runs a pin poll? You want pin poll,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: you want zone And I'm telling you Kingsley sum I
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Tie is the guy. That guy you watch him on tape.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: You watch him get into space, get out of his stance,
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: first step, all that stuff checks.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: All So adding that into my word dictionary, this quickness
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: is just so which part yeah, Kingsley, Oh yeah, the
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: whole thing.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Well, there we go, guys.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: We did the first positional preview here offensive line. A
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: lot of names huge need for the Patriots.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Evan also had a chance to talk to Brandon Thorn,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: who gives his expert opinion on a bunch of these
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: guys as well.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: So trying to cover all the bases here.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Check out what Evan end and Brandon had to say.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: All right, everybody, I'm very excited to join, but be
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: joined by there we go, all right, Ben a long day,
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: be joined by Brandon Thorn, he writes for a Trench Warfare.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Give him a subscription on there, and also Bleacher Report
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: and Brandon, I use your Bleacher Report scouting reports all
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: the time on the offensive line. I always love looking
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: at your insight and your rankings and everything like that.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: So that's a great resource. All you got to do
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: is google Joe all to bleacher Report, Joel Brandon Thorn,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: and his full scouting report will pop right up on
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: your screen for you to read about these guys. And
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: you know way more about all these technical terms and
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: things like that than I do, so it's a lot
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: of fun to read though. So thanks so much for
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: doing this and happy to have you here.
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, man, I'm always happy to talk with you and yeah,
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: excited to be here. So thanks for inviting me.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: No problem, no problem. I talked to you at the
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: combine briefly, and I probably kept you for a little
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: bit too long just asking you questions about every single
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Patriots offensive lineman and where they fit on the roster.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: So I did want to start really quickly off the top.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: They obviously resigned Mike on Wenu, big move for them
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: this offseason in free agency. Where do you see him
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: fitting into this equation in the Alex Van Pelt offense.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of conversations about if he fits at
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: tackle in a more zone based scheme.
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I just think even kind of regardless
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: of scheme. I know there's probably some nuances there, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: to where he's a little bit better fit at this
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: position in that scheme, But just generally, I think at
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: right guard is the spot that you want to put
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: him in pretty much all schemes and you'll probably get,
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: at the end of the day, the best version of him. Uh.
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: You know, we talked about this as the combine, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: I think his contract kind of alludes to more of
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: a guard as well, based on you know, kind of
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: what I know at least I'm not a contract expert,
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: but just the fact that he can do both though,
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: is you know, extremely valuable and it just adds flexibility
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: to how you build stuff out. And then if stuff
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: goes wrong with injuries or whatever, you know, you have
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: a guy like that, it's just adds to his value.
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: But I think when you watch his film over the
• 29:55
  Speaker 9: last several years, uh, you know, it's with a highlight
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: on last year in particular, he's clearly better at garden
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: than tackle and that stems from pass protection, you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 9: where I guess in a Van Pelt scheme, maybe that
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: could be mitigated to a degree with you know, whether
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: it's RPOs or play action, you know, being a run
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: first offense, things like that. But on an island, you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: the range or lack thereof to protect the corner against
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: you know, high side rushes from wide alignments from good
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: or better players. I mean, it's just shaky. So you
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: can kind of mitigate that a little bit inside and
• 30:36
  Speaker 9: get the best of him and allow his play strength
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: and his size and his power you know, to really shine.
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: And I just think it's interesting because CD so you know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: was there and I thought him and so in the
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: run game with on one would tackle. You know, that
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: was awesome but passpro with both of them, you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: with Shaky understandably. So it's so being a rookie, you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: day three pick, but now that you've got a CORPS
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: four in there, it tells me, you know, maybe they
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: are thinking more guards. So I don't know, it's it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: still kind of up in the air and there's variables there,
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: but you know, I like the depth on the interior.
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: I think overall though too.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would get into a Corps for but we
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: really do want to focus on the draft specifically on
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: this show. So I'll get into some of the draft
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: guys and I just start at the top. I obviously
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: love Joe Alt. I think we all can see the
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: talent there. It's not maybe the most popular pick among
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Patriots fans to take a tackle early on in the
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: draft over a quarterback or Marvin Harrison Junior or something
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: like that. But what makes Joe Walt such a great
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: prospect in your mind?
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, just to you know, piggyback on that, I think
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: ideally you trade down in draft jolt, but yeah, if
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: you do pick him at three, I mean I still think, Yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: the part that makes him, you know, so appealing is
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: I think you look at the fact that he is
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: so young. You know, he's like a month or two
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: younger than even Olu, you know, for Seanna from in State,
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: who is considered a very young player. So I think
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: they just they both turned just twenty one, are about
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: to turn twenty one, so they're gonna be twenty one
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: for the duration of the rookie year. And the fact
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: that he is so young and so polished with his technique,
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: specifically as a run blocker. That's the thing when you
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: watch this film that really jumped out to me. For
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: a guy being almost six ' nine, you know, a
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: legit six ' eight, you know, three twenty plus, the
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: leverage that he plays with in the run game is
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: just tremendous. Like he's a Notre Dame offensive lineman personified.
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: It's just he's six ' eight, long arms, and really athletic,
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: and you know, I just so I love that he
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: has that part of his game that is really gonna,
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: I think, create a high floor for him as a player.
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: And then the pass pro the traits are certainly there.
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: I mean, he's good too. He's productive as a pass
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: protector in terms of blocking guys with good technique, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: you know, having the athletic ability to certainly do it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 9: Not the most powerful guy you know that is in
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: the draft or you know, or anything like that. He
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: plays a lot like Jake Matthews, but he's in like
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: Nate Soldier's body. That's kind of like what I've seen
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: from him, you know, since I wrote his report, you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: in December or whatever it was, So yeah, I think
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: he kind of confirmed. They tests very similarly to Nate
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: Solder coming out of Colorado. It's just I think he's
• 33:24
  Speaker 9: a higher quality prospect than he was, and you know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: I just, yeah, it's tough to poke holes in his game.
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: Aside from saying that he's not the most powerful guy.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you mentioned Nate Solder. Obviously everybody here is familiar
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: with Nate Soldier's game. And the one thing I remember
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: talking to to Scarnekia and some of the coaches about
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: with Nate Solder is that he was honestly almost too tall,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: where you know, his lower half was in flexible enough
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: and sometimes leverage and stuff like that was an issue.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: But you just kind of perfectly said about how that's
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: not really a concern with joll because of how flexible
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: he is in his lowers to be able to get
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: down and create leverage.
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's the part that impressed me more than
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: anything watching him on film. I mean, I was pretty
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: floored by his run blocking on film because when you
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: see him in his stance on film, you could tell
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: he's huge. Just he's just an enormous dude. So typically
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: those guys, when they get out of their stance, especially
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: post contact in the second, third, fourth phase of the
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: rum block, the pads just rise and they gradually lose leverage.
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: They get to spots quick but then in terms of
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: sustaining and finishing, it gets real dicey really quickly. But
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: for him, his ability to keep his pads down, you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: bend at the ankle's knees and hips, sustain move his feet.
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: He has a good feel you know for body positioning
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: on blocks, and he plays a great effort. He's a
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: great finisher. So his ability to sustain and finish rum
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: blocks at a guy his size is really I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: the most rare part of his evaluation, like what he offers,
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: you know, and so yeah, it's it's it's quite a
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: bit different than they soldier, uh, you know, in how
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: it manifests on the field, you know their skill.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Set, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Before we move on to the
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: Day two guys, just quickly. It probably won't be the
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Patriots that take Olu Fashanu, but maybe in a trade
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: down scenario or something like that, it ends up being
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: more of a conversation. Let's say they trade with, you know,
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: someone like at eleven the Minnesota Vikings for example, or
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: something maybe more of Ashani's range. What do you see
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: with him that is he as pro ready to you
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: as Alt is? And you do you think that both
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: those guys are plug and play Day one franchise left tackles.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: I do think that Olu is a plug and play starter.
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: You know, I gave him a grade that suggests he's
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: a you know, a really good starter right away now,
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: you know, in terms of being as pro ready or
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: polished as Joe Walt, I don't. I don't think that's
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: the case. And so you with Olu, like I think
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: the thing that his kind of trump card, you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: if you will, as a prospect is his pass protection
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: ability and just how natural his movements are in past protection,
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: getting out of his stance, mirroring guys, recovering, anchoring, utilizing
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: his length, in a really nice way with independent hands.
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: And you saw that two years ago when he stepped
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: onto the field for the first time in college and
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: just how natural he was, and that pretty much carried
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: through for all twenty one or whatever starts that he
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: had aside from the Ohio State game this year. You
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: really can't poke many holes in his game as a
• 36:37
  Speaker 9: pass protector aside from that one tape, because I pretty
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: much watched him all and I think that's the case now.
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: Run blocking is a different story. He's much more raw
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: there than Joe Walt, although you did see progress this
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: year after that Ohio State game in particular, the rest
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: of the season were his best tapes as a run blocker.
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: He really kind of flipped to switch after that game.
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: And I remember talking to him about it a little
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: bit as well during the time, because I had a
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: question about a clip against Ohio State that he you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: answered for me, and he basically said, like, you know, yeah,
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: I know that was my worst game, and you know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: he was highly motivated to correct that and he did so.
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: Just the fact that he and what I mean by
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: that is a run blocker, like his ability or struggles
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: to sustain and finish blocks, letting guys get off of
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: him a little early, across his face and just kind
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: of fall off stuff a little prematurely. That was kind
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: of prevalent throughout his career, I thought, and you just
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: always wanted a little bit more physicality and just control
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: from him. But then, like I said, after that game,
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: he showed it. So that was really encouraging to me
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: that that's just the fact that you could see it now.
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: It doesn't need to be more consistent and things like that.
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: But yeah, it's kind of an inverse thing. Like Joe Walt,
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: you're getting a really really polished, high end run blocker
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: and a good pass protector, and then Olu, I think
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: you're getting a really really polished past protector and maybe
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: like a below average to average rum blocker. But again
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: they're so young and all that. I would expect those
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: things to improve, yeah, at least a little bit.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, two really good prospects there. I'm gonna
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: skip over a group that I feel like is in
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: a weird spot for the Patriots, you know, the Talisa Fugawa's,
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: the J. C. Lathams, like those guys probably gonna go
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: somewhere in between the Patriots two picks. So let's go
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: to the top of day two at thirty four, which
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: is they take a quarterback at three. Then thirty four
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: is probably the pick that's going to be earmarked for
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: a tackle. One would think, who are some of the
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: guys that a you could see falling to that spot,
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: but be more importantly that you like on film.
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so yeah, so Latham would be my tackle three.
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: My tackle four is Varus Mims, you know. So I'd
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: assume those guys are gone, and then you know five
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: and six Tyler, Geydon and Kingsley Swim Mattia from BYU
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: Guians probably gone. Sue and Matia there, I would say
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: it probably starts at Sue and Matia as a guy
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: who could potentially be there, uh at your pick at
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: thirty four. So he's a guy I do like, I mean,
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: I gave him, you know, a let me just get
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: the potential impact starter. So like a low end second
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: round pick, I'm sure you know that's gonna get a bump,
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: as tackles do. He's gonna probably be a late first
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: round pick. But there is just more of this sort
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: of rawness that we've spoke about. But it's it's pretty
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: much in all areas of his game, I think, as
• 39:32
  Speaker 9: opposed to just one, uh there, there's a lot to
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: work with there in terms of physical traits, height, weight, length,
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: frame build, athletic ability, the way he moves, it's natural
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: for him. You could tell he's a former five star recruit.
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: You know, he's cousins with Pine Sewel and trains with him,
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: and you know, chances are he's going to develop at
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: least into a solid starter. If not, you know, he
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: could potentially be really good. Who knows. But he came
• 39:59
  Speaker 9: out as a retro sophomore, you know, so he's just
• 40:02
  Speaker 9: young and raw, but it'll be really interesting to see.
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: So he's one guy that I would say would be
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: available and actually kind of add value, have value at
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: that pick. After that, I mean, I have a lot
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: of tackles that are kind of projected inside but could
• 40:18
  Speaker 9: play inside that could be available there. The first one
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: that comes to mind is probably Jordan Morgan from Arizona,
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: who's you know, he's a big, strong guy. Came back
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: from a torn acl really quickly this past year, less
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: than a year, I think like nine months, and he
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: started the whole year, which was impressive. But he has
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: kind of a reoccurring issue in pass protection. That leads
• 40:43
  Speaker 9: to me to believe that it'd probably be best that
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: he kicks inside, although I'm sure and I've heard teams
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: are gonna view him as a tackle. But yeah, you know,
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: those two guys if I had to bet top of
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: the second round to play tackle, Jordan Morgan and Kings
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: of Suwamatia would probably be my best bets there.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: What do you think about Patrick Paul from Houston?
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Because I feel like he's always projected a little bit
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: after those two guys that you mentioned, but a little
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: bit before the next wave of guys.
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: Is sort of that tweeener on day two.
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so I have more of a third round grade
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: on Patrick Paul, but certainly, like you know, traits wise,
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: you got to start there. You know, he's you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: six seven, six ' eight. I think he's six seven,
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: like three thirty three twenty three thirty you know, elite length,
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: you know, thirty six plus in charms and he's really
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: strong actually when he actually gets his hands inside. But
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: that's the problem. He struggles to kind of get his
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: hands inside of guys. He's very wide and kind of
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: a little uh you know, I don't want to say lazy,
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: but just inconsistent with his hand placement I think is
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: probably the best term. And that just creates a lot
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: of leverage issues, Guys getting inside of him, you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: driving him back. You saw it at Senior Bowl one
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: on ones, where you see it on tape all over
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: the place. I mean, it's just it's up and down.
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: But you love the size, you love the strength. And
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: the thing that I probably like most about him that's
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: kind of most surprising with the guy with his all
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: that stuff I just said, is his competitive toughness is very,
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: very good. He's physical tone setter, and you don't get
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: that a lot at tackle, you know, I don't think
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: especially left. So you know, I think he's a better
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: prospect than his brother was coming out of Tulsa a
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: couple of years ago, Chris Paul. And you know, he's
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: working with Duke Mannyweather at Oil Masterminds, which is encouraging
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: because most of his issues are technique based. I think
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: it would be a little bit of a reach there,
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: but I think he could he could feasibly go there,
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: you know, I think that's definitely possible.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So before I let you go, just some some
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Day three sleepers. A couple of guys you know from
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl, Christian Jones, h Javon Foster might be
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: you know, early day three if they do slip into
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: Day three. Those are two guys I caught my mind,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: but you go, you know, a lot deeper than I do,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: so or any sleepers that that you like on day
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: three for the Pats.
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: Okay, day three, so we'll assume that Roger Rosengard and
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: Blake Fisher are gone. Yeah after them, Yeah, Javon Foster,
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: you get into that. The print the or the Yale
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: kid is intriguing as a Day three guy to me. Yeah,
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: Cayden Wallace maybe, you know, and these guys. You know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: if I had to pick a favorite pure tackle out
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: of those guys, it would definitely be Javon Foster. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 9: that's that's because of first, I think the improvement that
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: he showed from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three,
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: because I watched him last year thinking he could potentially
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: come out, and I just you know, I'm glad he
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: went back, and I thought he played with a lot
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: more control this year. He's not as kind of wild,
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: and you know, he's a heavy two hand strike guy.
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: In pass protection, he tries to kind of kill guys
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: with his punch and I can get him into trouble.
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: He kind of reeled that back a little bit, played
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: with more patients. Uh, So for him to show that
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: was nice. And then you know, had a really nice
• 44:06
  Speaker 9: Senior Bowl as well. Yeah, not perfect, but you know
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: good and uh, you know, I just think he's also
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: a guy traits guy for sure. In terms of you know,
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: high weight, build, length, I would say athletic ability with
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: him is uh, you know, maybe like solid, you know
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: to good. Not a bad athlete, not a great athlete,
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: but good.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 44:27
  Speaker 9: He's coming from a heavy RPO system at at Missouri,
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: which you know kind of protected him a little bit
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: in past protection, which wouldn't be an issue if he's
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: doing that in the pros. But he's you know, that's
• 44:41
  Speaker 9: why he's a Day three guy because you just don't
• 44:43
  Speaker 9: feel great relying on him. But yeah, if you're picking
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: a guy in day three, he kind of reminds me
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: of Sean Coleman coming out of years back from Auburn.
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: You know, he's he's that kind of guy who he
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: has started level size, length and athletic ability, but you're
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: going to need to be patient there, and you know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 9: ideally he's part of a rotation.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely somebody that senior bull riser columns all over
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: the place after mobile people mover. That's what I noticed
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: about him was his play strength, and I did a
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: great job on those double team blocks and things like
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: that in those drills.
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, he has power at the point of attack
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: for sure, it's just after the fact if guys challenge him,
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: he gets out leveraged pretty quickly and he's kind of
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: late to adjust. He over extends his body control isn't great,
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: but yeah, I mean double teams is a great opportunity
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: to just unload on somebody with help and not have
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: to rely on It's more about immediate displacement as opposed
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: to you know, a base block, you know, where you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: it's a lot different in terms of, you know, after
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: the point of attack. So yeah, there's certain areas where
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: you know, I think he has a lot of appeal
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  Speaker 9: and could help right away. It's just you know, he
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  Speaker 9: just needs some work, you know, with technique.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, he's Brandon Thorne. As you can tell those
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  Speaker 5: everything there is to know about the offensive line and
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: off offensive line guru. You can find him at Trench Warfare.
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  Speaker 5: Please subscribe there to read Brandon stuff. He does free agency,
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  Speaker 5: he does the draft, a lot of great write ups
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  Speaker 5: on all these guys, and obviously on Bleacher Report you
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  Speaker 5: can read his scouting reports on all the draft prospects
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  Speaker 5: in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks for joining us, Brandon.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, happy to do it, guys, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 3: All right, that's going to do it for this episode
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  Speaker 3: of Patriots Draft Countdown.
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  Speaker 2: Will be back next week.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be a busy week for us. Evan,
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  Speaker 3: you're head nowt to do some pro days. He's going
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  Speaker 3: to get an up close look at both UNC and Georgia, Right,
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  Speaker 3: all right, SSU might apologize, I'm going to be I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to be at the owners meetings, so we'll see
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  Speaker 3: maybe if some deals get done. So we'll be back
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  Speaker 3: next week though, taking a look at the secondary.
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  Speaker 2: And don't worry, all will be here. He's got covered.