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Ep. 62 - An Interview With Antoine Le · Frightmares

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  Speaker 1: Well, are you dead over there? No, she's alive.
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  Speaker 2: No, just kidding.
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  Speaker 3: She does that a lot. She'll just lay there completely
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  Speaker 3: dead and not do anything. And then I mention her name.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, what the fuck? You're good? You chill, you chill,
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  Speaker 1: you chill.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to episode sixty two of Fright Maores.
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  Speaker 3: I am your host, as always, Austin Proctor, and joining
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  Speaker 3: me to stable today is Mon and my other co hosts,
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  Speaker 3: mister Corey Johnson hayo up, dude, not a lot doing
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  Speaker 3: an episode on a weird day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, weird time too.
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  Speaker 3: Usually it's like Saturdays of ten to twelve and today, Actually,
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  Speaker 3: you weren't even supposed to be on this one. I
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  Speaker 3: was supposed to have Chris on and then freaking director
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  Speaker 3: Guy was like, yeah, let's do this next week during
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  Speaker 3: the daytime.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I mean, oh, that's fine, that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just not used to usually, you know, he's busy
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  Speaker 3: like every Saturday and Sunday. I'm like, Okay, that's fine,
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  Speaker 3: we'll we'll work it out through the week. And he
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  Speaker 3: wanted to do it like asap because of the new
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  Speaker 3: movie that just came out. So I'm like let's just
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  Speaker 3: throw together this episode midweek. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine,
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  Speaker 3: I'll edit it tonight. It's all good. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: we are talking to you said, oh it's Antoine Lay. I.
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  Speaker 4: That is how I heard it pronounced on another podcast
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  Speaker 4: that he did.
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  Speaker 1: So that is what I'm going off of, because yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was Anthony Lee.
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  Speaker 4: So first, that's why I went scrounging through the YouTube
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  Speaker 4: because I was like, I gotta find it.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta figure it.
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  Speaker 3: Between both of us, we got this shit covered. So yes,
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  Speaker 3: Antwine Ley he's the director of Followed, which is a
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  Speaker 3: new well I mean technically it was made in twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: It was made two years ago, yeah, but finally got
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  Speaker 3: released this year. And I know you talked about it
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  Speaker 3: episodes ago, like ages ago.
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  Speaker 4: Like almost when we first started the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: It makes sense because we started it, you know, late
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  Speaker 3: twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think what happened is because I was
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  Speaker 4: going through the old episodes and I couldn't find it.
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  Speaker 4: It was from the one episode that the very first
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  Speaker 4: episode that you and I did where we got super drunk.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my file got corrupted. That's when we redoing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that I was like, man, why can't I
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  Speaker 4: find myself fucking talking about because I was so hyped
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  Speaker 4: about it, and I was like, oh, yeah, we had
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  Speaker 4: like a full two and a half hours that.
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  Speaker 3: Just showed that's happened twice now, But now I've got
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  Speaker 3: this new setup which knock on wood won't happen again.
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  Speaker 3: And so yeah, we're super stoked for this movie because
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  Speaker 3: also it's found footage. If you all know this, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, if you've been listening to you know,
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  Speaker 3: the past sixty episodes plus, you know that me and
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  Speaker 3: Corey's genre is is found footage horror.
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  Speaker 4: We love it so much we'll make our so sick
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  Speaker 4: on it, seriously.
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  Speaker 1: And not even kidding.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm so excited to talk to a found footage director.
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  Speaker 3: I mean because you know, we talked to We talked
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  Speaker 3: talked to Nigel and he was he was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I really love the conversation we had.
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  Speaker 3: But this is a little bit different because you know,
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  Speaker 3: Nigel kind of did it on his own, really, and
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  Speaker 3: he was really the sole focus of the entire movie.
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  Speaker 3: So now we've got Antoine and he's got a bit
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  Speaker 3: bit like a bigger cast. He's got you know, multiple cameras,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like a it's found footage, but like it's
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  Speaker 3: also kind of POV so just from how the computer
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  Speaker 3: things going on, the way.
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  Speaker 4: That I see it is there is a small but
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  Speaker 4: growing community on like YouTube and videos dreaming sites of
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  Speaker 4: people that do like urban exploration and like ghost hunts
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  Speaker 4: and horror stuff and like all these weird rituals like you'll,
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  Speaker 4: like is in the movie there's like a road ritual
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  Speaker 4: in the Elevator game, which is obviously I'm excited, but
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  Speaker 4: there's like this contingency of that and all these videos,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they have some production value.
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  Speaker 1: To them to make them interesting to view.
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  Speaker 4: So this is like borderline satire of that, but still
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  Speaker 4: you know, almost paying homage to it as well.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's.
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  Speaker 4: Like found footage meets amateur haunt show type of thing.
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  Speaker 4: So it's it's kind of like a weird mish mash genre.
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  Speaker 3: But's it works perfectly in my opinion, and it's a
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  Speaker 3: pretty relevant thing that's happening these days is people trying
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  Speaker 3: to get famous from YouTube or whatever social media.
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  Speaker 1: Or like like the new trend now random nautica. Have
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  Speaker 1: you heard about don't even like, ah, no, but you're.
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  Speaker 4: You're on TikTok, right, Yeah, I mean occasionally. Well, there's
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  Speaker 4: so there's this app that has come out that says
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  Speaker 4: it uses quantum.
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  Speaker 1: Bluebity blue and what and what you do.
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  Speaker 4: Is you like put intention into your phone, like I
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  Speaker 4: want to make friends, or I want to see death,
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  Speaker 4: or I want to see something creepier I want to
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  Speaker 4: see and you put that intention in and you hit
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  Speaker 4: this button and it just pops up coordinates randomly within
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  Speaker 4: a reasonable distance of you, and you go there and
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  Speaker 4: you find what your intention was.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds fucking horrifying.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, No, there's like thousands of videos on TikTok
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  Speaker 4: about this and it's my new favorite fucking obsession.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, check them out later.
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  Speaker 4: But so yeah, like it's there's all this cool stuff
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  Speaker 4: that is going on like now, and this movie kind
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  Speaker 4: of mirrors all this like internet culture spook stuff, which
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  Speaker 4: is super awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I think I liked it as much
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  Speaker 3: as I did, just because of the fact that it's
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  Speaker 3: just reminds me of people. Have you ever seen trategedy
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  Speaker 3: tragedy girls where it's the girls are trying to get famous.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this on the last episode.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of reminiscent of that, but like found footage
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  Speaker 3: style and actually, you know, involving real things that because
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  Speaker 3: like there's stuff in this movie that are that's based
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  Speaker 3: off of real events that happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're like news stories. Like cool.
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  Speaker 4: You google one of the names of the actual people
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  Speaker 4: and you will find dozens of multi minute long videos
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  Speaker 4: on YouTube, like video essays and breakdowns on some of
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  Speaker 4: this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it typed in you know, Alisa Lamb's name,
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  Speaker 3: and you just get a bounce, like like so much stuff.
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  Speaker 3: The BuzzFeed Unsolved guys. I don't know if you ever
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  Speaker 3: watch it on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's a that's a watchable thing. Yeah on YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: It's these two guys from BuzzFeed that go around the
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  Speaker 4: world and like look at mysterious and ghost stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and they did they do a they you a whole
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  Speaker 4: one on a Lisa Lamb.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so about that.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 3: I do want to ask him when we get him,
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  Speaker 3: because we're you know, we're doing our little pre show
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  Speaker 3: thing here before we get him on the phone. I
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  Speaker 3: need to ask him because I tried looking at the hotel.
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  Speaker 3: I think I don't think the hotel that was the
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  Speaker 3: cause of Alisa, not the cause of but where Alisa
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  Speaker 3: Lamb disappeared is the same hotel.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's the Cecil Hotel, so the.
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  Speaker 3: Hotel, but he just named it Hotel Linux because I
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  Speaker 3: mean there's a giant sign outside that's those Hotel Linox.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well the hotel has also gone through like different
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  Speaker 1: name changes, I think, but that's the actual hotel.
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  Speaker 4: So no, they didn't film in the Actually he talked
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  Speaker 4: about that on the other podcast, but the reception was
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  Speaker 4: so terrible that it was like a twenty minute interview.
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  Speaker 4: I got through like six minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh jeez, because they were doing.
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  Speaker 4: It all through like Skype, and it was just all
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  Speaker 4: crackley and it would cut in and out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he can't.
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  Speaker 3: Antoine asked about zoom, and I was like, we can
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  Speaker 3: try zoom, but usually I was like, usually calling in
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  Speaker 3: usually works the best, you know, for some reason, it's
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  Speaker 3: you know, not good.
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  Speaker 1: We will we will try a zoom thing. Yeah, we'll
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  Speaker 1: figure or something out.
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  Speaker 3: Either way, I'm excited to ask him all the questions
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  Speaker 3: that we have. So that's pretty much this entire episode.
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  Speaker 3: We're just gonna talk to Antoine about everything about followed.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about his background of horror because I
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  Speaker 3: always liked talking to my guests about that whenever they
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  Speaker 3: come on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because now it's called the Stay On Main Hotel.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, it's like hundreds of suicides dating back to like
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  Speaker 3: the what like the.
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  Speaker 1: Twenties or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think I saw hotels, old, dude, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: shit going on. I'm just surprised that they got like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, actual permission to film at that at that place.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it was actually inside Okay, maybe just
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  Speaker 1: like outside shots. Oh cool.
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  Speaker 3: He just actually emailed me to call me whenever you're ready,
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  Speaker 3: and he gave me his phone number, So we'll give
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  Speaker 3: him a call here in just a few once we're
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  Speaker 3: done with this pre show.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yes, and the woman that got murdered that was
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  Speaker 4: known as the Black Dahlia. Yeah, she was also drinking
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  Speaker 4: at the Cecil Hotel like a bunch of times.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like the is the Cescil Hotel what it's
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  Speaker 3: like most known for?
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  Speaker 1: Name wise?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that that is the That is the name of it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, except its Stay On now Stay on Mane. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and this is in l A, Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's like a main street in Los Angeles. I've
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  Speaker 4: driven past it when I was in LA.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: You were in LA for like a short, like nine months. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I remember that. You're like, hey, I'm moving out to
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  Speaker 3: l A. Hey I'm moving back from moving back to Florida.
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  Speaker 1: It happens. Fucking California is.
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  Speaker 3: Terrible California just because what reasons is it bad?
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  Speaker 4: So for the nine months I was there, it was
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  Speaker 4: like one hundred and eight degrees every single day.
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  Speaker 1: But it is a dry heat.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you feel, you feel I'd rather feel heat on
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  Speaker 4: my skin than in my bones.
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  Speaker 1: That's yeah. I know.
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  Speaker 4: Dry heat is worse than humidity every time, no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I was in Vegas into that in sixteen for EEDC
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, it's a dry heat, no
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  Speaker 3: big deal. And I'm there it's like one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: eight degrees and then the wind.
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  Speaker 4: Two o'clock in the afternoon and you're, yeah, baking.
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  Speaker 3: And it's if you don't sweat, but then the wind
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  Speaker 3: blows and it's like, oh my god, am I gonna
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  Speaker 3: fucking convection of an Oh it's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck. Fuck the whole dry heat thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'll take the humidity and like ninety degrees over one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and ten degrees. Fuck that. Okay, so that I
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  Speaker 3: didn't realize Cal I didn't really I know, got that hot,
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  Speaker 3: but I didn't think La got that.
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  Speaker 1: What I was two hours like semi northwest of La.
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  Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, I was in Bakersfield, Bakersfield.
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  Speaker 3: I only know that because comedian talked about that one,
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  Speaker 3: Doug Benson.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so Gabriel Iglesias is from the town right outside
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  Speaker 4: of Bakersfield called Oildale.
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  Speaker 1: Oildale. Yeah, too hot. Just that name just sounds hot,
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  Speaker 1: like Oildale. Good, Superman, too good.
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  Speaker 2: God?
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  Speaker 1: H all right, are you ready for this ship? Because
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm ready.
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  Speaker 3: I'm ready, but like I'm like not ready because i
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  Speaker 3: want to make sure I'm on point here. I've got
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  Speaker 3: all my questions and all this stuff going on. I
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  Speaker 3: got the elevator game right here, and I know the floors.
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  Speaker 3: Had you had to email a publicist person or a
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  Speaker 3: pr oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's looked into us. He knows what he's
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  Speaker 1: getting into at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Because yeah, every time I've ever emailed, you know, like Nigel,
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  Speaker 3: I just emailed him directly because he has you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure his personuit. Yeah, he was his personal email.
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  Speaker 3: So I just em and we talked back and forth
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  Speaker 3: and you know, we're like cool. List to the episode,
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  Speaker 3: no problem. And then I first we saw Antoine in
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  Speaker 3: the Found Footage group on Facebook and I saw him
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  Speaker 3: comment on something and I found out that that's the director.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, he's in the group.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So I saw I saw him posting that the
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  Speaker 4: movie was gonna be in uh drive ins. And I
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  Speaker 4: was like, that's weird that this guy is posting about
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  Speaker 4: them being in drive ins. Who is this guy? So
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  Speaker 4: I clicked on his profile and was like director followed.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh shit, oh.
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  Speaker 3: Step So yeah, he's in. He was in the group
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  Speaker 3: and he commented on something that you had posted or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So I said, yo, you should be on our podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, shoot me an email. So I sent or
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  Speaker 3: actually I sent him a Facebook message and then he
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  Speaker 3: told me to email him. And then after I emailed him,
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  Speaker 3: he was like, email my PR guide.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, whoa, oh, yeah it was it was
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  Speaker 4: me saying that we had mentioned me watching the trailer and.
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  Speaker 1: Being hype about it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He was like, oh, yo, I'd love to hear about that,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, all right, cool when I started
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  Speaker 4: and I.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't find it, Oh you couldn't find the trailer.
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  Speaker 4: No, I couldn't find the episode where we talked about it, because.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's just erased from existence.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, So I was super excited that he was
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  Speaker 3: that easy to get a hold of because you know, like,
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  Speaker 3: I've reached out to a lot of people, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and sometimes they will read the message and not answer me,
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  Speaker 3: which is really just a slap in the face.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that at all.
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  Speaker 3: Or sometimes you know, I just cannot actually get to them.
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  Speaker 3: So I really appreciate the people who answer me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like Nigel and Antoine and I actually got the one
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  Speaker 3: of the co creators. I think it's actually the creator
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  Speaker 3: of fright Rags, Ben who does all the horror shirts
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  Speaker 3: that I buy. I got him to come on an
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  Speaker 3: episode later in October. So I appreciate everyone that reaches
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  Speaker 3: back out to me and says yes, I'd like to
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  Speaker 3: do this, because it means a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 3: to me for someone to be like, yes, I would
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  Speaker 3: like to be in your show, Like it just it
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  Speaker 3: really means a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot, and especially because it's you know, we're not just
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  Speaker 4: reaching out being like, oh yo, let me interview this guy,
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  Speaker 4: cuz fucking let me interview this guy. It's it's always
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  Speaker 4: stuff that we care about and that we hold kind
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  Speaker 4: of like close to us in the in the horror world.
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  Speaker 4: So it's that much better when they're like, oh, hell yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'll talk to you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, we're just a couple of chuckle heads. Why
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  Speaker 1: would you talk to us?
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  Speaker 4: But all right, fuck yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I get so excited, because they're like,
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  Speaker 3: you know exactly what you said. We are a couple
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  Speaker 3: of chuckleheads, and you're willing to just waste an hour
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  Speaker 3: and half of your time to just.
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  Speaker 1: Just be yes with me.
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  Speaker 3: So I really appreciate it, and I'm very excited for
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  Speaker 3: other other things coming this year that will later be revealed.
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  Speaker 3: But I think we'ould probably just give him a call.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, do it? All right?
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  Speaker 3: So when we return and we will be with the
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  Speaker 3: director of Followed, mister Antoine Lee. I hope we've been
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  Speaker 3: saying that right at the retired time, because if not,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna look like a jackass.
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  Speaker 4: So we should ask him off mike if we're not directly.
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  Speaker 3: And then if we are, we'll just re record, throw
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  Speaker 3: it back in in the middle, cutt and paste. Yeall
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  Speaker 3: all right, guys, So we will return in just a
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  Speaker 3: few moments, and due to airwaves of magic.
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  Speaker 2: We will see you in a second.
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  Speaker 4: We we normally start by going into the person's like
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  Speaker 4: horror background.
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  Speaker 1: So to speak.
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  Speaker 4: So what what was your first intro into like the
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  Speaker 4: horror genre?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 4: What was what was your first movie? Do you remember
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  Speaker 4: how old you are or old you were stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm pretty sure that I
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  Speaker 5: actually saw other horror movies before, but I think the
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  Speaker 5: one that left an impression on me when I was
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  Speaker 5: a child was uh, Nightmare on Elm Street the Dream Warriors,
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  Speaker 5: So that I remember that clearly as well, because I
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  Speaker 5: think I had trouble sleeping after seeing it. You know
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  Speaker 5: A said as a kid, right right, And yeah, so
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  Speaker 5: I thought that it was.
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  Speaker 2: Ad ingrained in my head.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, as I grew up, I realized its actually not
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  Speaker 5: scared at all, but.
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  Speaker 2: You know, as a child, it was pretty terrifying.
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  Speaker 5: But I would say, yeah, that would be my first
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  Speaker 5: ever horror experience.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, what did you, what did you like about it
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: and what brought you back to horror movies in general?
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: So what I liked about it is, uh, it's you know, it's.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: It's one of those things that you don't feel safe.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: And I think the you know, I watched, I believe
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: that I actually seen.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Friday the thirteenth and thinks of that nature.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: Right, But those never scare me because I'm like, hey,
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: as long as you can touch the person in other words,
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: like Jason, hey, you.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Know, like I mean, yeah, so what if he's immortal.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: I mean you have a gun or you have it
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: not whatever, as long as you can physically hurt it, right,
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: it's okay. I don't feel that terrified, Like even if
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: I died, you know, Like I'm like, yeah, it's okay, right.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: But Freddy is like, dude, I can't even sleep my
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: closed eyes and all of a sudden, I'm in this
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: dude's world, and I'm like, you know, literally, I'm a puppet.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: There's I have zero control over it.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: And I think that's something that that that makes me
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: fearful the most, which is like no control, okay, and
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I'm basically being the puppet.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: And I find that really interesting because pretty much exactly
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: what you just said was the entire feeling that I
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: was getting through followed because it was like there's something
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: else going on here that I'm not privy to, and
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: I like it makes me a little bit anxious because
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: like I'm like, Okay, maybe it's this thing, but it's
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: actually that thing going on over there, and it's it's
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: that very kind of hands off kind of.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Feeling like I have no control over what's going on.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Right right, Thank you for that, Yeah, and and and
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: and uh yeah, as far as like the type of
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: hord that I'm into, and that explains, like, you know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: some of my choices with the ghost is that because
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: you know, have you ever seen any of the real
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: you know, real life footage of quote unquote ghosts, you
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: know they captured on camera? You never see the ghost, right,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Like they always would need to like superimpose it, like,
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: oh look, guys, there's a black there's a dark shadow
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: that that flashes by, right, Like have you ever like,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: has there ever been freaking ghost captured you know on camera?
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: You know that looks like a ghost that you've actually
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: seen in any other movie?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Like ever?
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Right, There's never been such a case right right, And
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: and to me, I think that's like it's to me
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: that thing that's more. That's that, or at least to
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: me anyway, it's just more terrifying that you don't see
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: what it looks like. You know that it's there, you
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: might have gotten a glimpse of it, but then you
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: don't really can't make it out, like what the hell
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: does look like?
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Looks like? Right?
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: And even before making followed, I actually interview a few
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: people who claims I've seen ghosts before, especially the meetiums
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: and all of that. So they described to me what
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: the ghosts would look like that they've seen the ghosts
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: in real life that you know, they always say things
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: like I really can't you know, put a finger, I
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: really can't describe it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: It's just strange.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: It's like it looks human, but you could tell them
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: by looking at it's like there's something off about it.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: You know, maybe the eyes are dead eyes, or you
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: can't really see the eyes, or you can't really see
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: the facial expression, but you know that it's something that
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: is otherworldly, you know, so to speak. So so those
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: are the things that I did research on. Now as
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: far as how why I came back to horror. To
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: be completely honest with you guys, I never thought of
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: myself as a horror filmmaker, right. I had enjoyed watching
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: horror films, but before making followed, I wouldn't you know
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: that was like my third genre, you know that I
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: that I would consider favorite.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: My favorite would be.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: A horror I'm sorry, a drama action and then drama
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: and then horror.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I only got into horror is because, uh, well,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: you know, I started.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: A production company called Biscay Parts.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Uh and and the film that I really want to
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: make my future debut is actually a Holocaust survivor story.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: It's a true to life story about a Holocaust survivor
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: who lost his family you know, during the Holocaust and
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: then he basically fought back in the Nazi and then
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: he will move to the United States and then he
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: get reunited with his sister, whom he thought, you know,
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: was also killed during the war, but she didn't. I say,
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: it was a beautiful, you know, human stories, very much
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: like Shindler's List. Thatson that I really wanted to do.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: The thing is that I'm not you know, I'm not
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: considered a known filmmaker I'm actually a financial advisor.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: And real you know, that's that's my day job.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I'm a I'm a wealth advisor for it
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: for decades now, so that's my real life job. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: then no one is going to give me twenty five
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: million dollars a budget to do the Holocaust and.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not And you know, I'm like this financial adviser.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Dude, and doesn't have any film making, you know, schooling
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: or anything like that whatsoever.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: No one there no schooling at all.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: No, just like, yeah, my my, my degrees with business
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: and finances, I have zero.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I would have not known that from watching I mean, dude, followed.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a it's a solid movie. So I'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: impressed that you had the production value.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: And that's that's one of the reasons why when I
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: saw the trailer for it originally way back when, I
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: was like, man, this looks it just looks so clean
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: because you're so used to seeing like grainy cameras and
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: like handcams and everything's all shaky, and even in the
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: trailers like the establishing shots to like, Okay, this is
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: like I can see everything. It's already going to be
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: a level of quality just based on how nice it looks.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I appreciate it. The guys, Yeah, yeah, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Yeah. And and you know, honestly, followed is more.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Like the project that I just wanted to prove to investors,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: so to speak. That a is that I'm all not
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: just all talk. Although I don't have any you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: you know, film school experience, schooling and all that. I
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: you know, I watched movies all my life and I'm
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: a huge film buff, right, so so movies on my
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: school really, right, right, So so I would just tell
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: the people that, hey, I just want to prove myself
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: that I could actually tackle in any genre and the
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: genre that I'm not familiar with, which is horror.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And the secondly is that, you know, we didn't have
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that much of a budget.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: We have very little budget, so I couldn't really do
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: the cinematic you know, shot that I really wanted, so
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I had to resort back to found footage, which, you know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: to be honest, like before followed, there's only maybe about
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: six found footage movies I've ever seen, and that's you know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: the classic like the Black Witch Project, the Paranormal Activity, one, two, three,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: and then I think the marked ones, right, so that's
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: that's a fourth one.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: And then Chronicle.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Oh I love Chronicle.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I actually just recently bought that on Blu ray and
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: me my wife watched it again.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I love that movie. I love Chronicles.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: See Chronicle is the reason why I I said, okay,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: it could work because you know, like you already know
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: found footage, there's certain things about fulnfoot as you don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: do number one.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: You know, which I broke all the.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Rules by way, just like you know, no sound right,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: like you're not You're not supposed to have any music
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: or anything.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Like that to make it real.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: But I'm like, you know what is Bland, Witch Project
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: and Paranormal Activity?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: They are masterpieces?
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Right? I consider them like truly master produces, like they've
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: done things of you that It's just something that I'm like, hey,
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to replicate that. I don't know how
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: how to even make it better, so I'm not even
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: gonna try it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do it my own way.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: So the way that I treated followed was what, you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: what can I do with the found footage format but
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: turn it into it just a regular standard traditional you know, film.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Instead of a found footage.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: It's just how we came up with the concept of, hey,
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: make them bloggers, because at least if they're bloggers, you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: and you have an excuse to have, you know, editing
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: as well as music because.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: As an editor and all that stuff. So that's what
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I chose to to to.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: Followed, and looking back is that, you know, I wish
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: I had seen more found footage, to be honest, because
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: you know, now, like if you were Tod meant to
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: ask me to make a horror film right now, I
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: can tell you that my horror film nowadays is going
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: to be a lot more terrifying than you've seen and followed.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Because I've learned, I've leveled up.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: Like after followed, I started watching found footage movies like
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: The Hell House and all that, Like.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: Oh, my freaking incredible I'm talking about These are incredible movies,
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: incredible movies, and I really wish I had seen it
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: so that I could at least not necessarily replicate it, but.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Not follow into the same footsteps circation point right, the
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: whole glitchy effect thing. I didn't know that it was
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: overused in pound footage.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I thought that it was like something like, oh, guys,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I thought of something cool. What happens at the ghosts?
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: We have the glitch Jesus Christ to death, right, So
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: I take full responsibility for that.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: No, but that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Actually I think it worked though, because yeah, you do
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: see a lot of glitches and cameras and you see
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: the ghost glitching, but for what you did it because
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: me and Corey this is our genre.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: We love found footage. Yeah, this story, this is.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Our number one in horror, like it goes found footage
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: then like Kurian horror, yeah, and then everything else afterwards.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: So yeah, so we're very judgmental to begin with. But
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: when see I've been trained, like when the glitch happens,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: I look into the glitches, like I'll pause the movie
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: to see what I can see. But your glitches made
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: sense because thematically what was going on in the entire movie.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: It was like, Okay, this is like a thing that
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: makes sense. It's not just oh there's something spooky happening.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Or oh there's a blatant goats there. You kind of
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: worked it into the glitches, and I think it worked.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I know you might think it's overused, but I mean
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: it it worked really for me.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: When it's used correctly. Yeah, exactly what exactly?
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when it's used, it has used how it should
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: be used, not kind of like a cheap effect that
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I've seen in dozens of other found footage movies, Like
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: this actually worked.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Oh awesome, guys. That means a lot's given, you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: coming from you guys who are experts, that means a lot.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Know, I don't say expert, I say more like passionate hobbyists.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why we reached out to you, because
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you know, we do love found footage so much, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I know Corey has been waiting for this for a while.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: And then we watched it and we were like, Wow,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: this is exactly what I wanted from this movie. And
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: then you were in that found footage group and I
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, that's the director. Let's get
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: him on the show. Let's do this.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you guys, Thank you guys. But yeah, that's
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: how I came to to follow. It's just basically just
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: a way for me to I just wanted to make
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: a movie with very limited budget and tackling on the
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: two genre that I've never had any experience with. It's
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: just a way for me to show an investors like, hey, guys, see,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: my favorite genre is action and drama, right, which is
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: where I think I could really flourish and show my skills.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go ahead and do something that's entirely
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: completely brand new, just to prove that, Hey, you know,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: I'm a fast learner.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I can try to do this.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Well, now, will you do more horror?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: If you know I do.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: I actually get addicted to it because you know, after
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: you know, after I've done followed and after I cut it,
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I get you know, recive feedback and all that. I
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: started to learn more. I started to dig deeper into
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: the whole you know, horror world, and I you know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: and I'm really impressed with a lot of the new,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: you know, the elevated horror. Recently, I suggests, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: ari astor Hereditary, which Hereditary, to me, I think is
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite horror films.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love you, like one of the best movies.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: It's a masterpiece.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: And it's like, is the sort of thing that I'm like,
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: oh my god, like you know, like learning watching things,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: I'm studying movies like that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: It helps me quote unquote level up, you know. Yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: so it's like I've learned so much from that.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: You know, the Witch as well, you know what, the
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Witch is not scary, but then again, it's like these
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: are the horror films that show that.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Hey, you could be more than just horror.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Well, the Witch is like atmospheric, It's very very atmospheric,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and it just puts you in the whole other world
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: of just chaos and yeah, that's awesome.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: So so you know now that actually like bit into
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: I would say, like horror genre is like my second now,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: like action and horrors. Like it's like I would love
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: to do so in my follow up movie, I'm actually
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: gonna do an action piece of Step. So I'm actually
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: doing an action movie hopefully next year when the pandemic
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: is over, and then after that I'll probably go back
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: to horror. I'm not sure whether I'll be directing, you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: the sequels to followed, But it all depends on the
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: story and it depends on whether or not I think
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: it can bring something new, right up.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Producer.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So in your new foray into horror, do you
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: have like a particular genre that you prefer or that
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: you would like to go into making outside of like
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: the followed sequel, Like do you want to make a slasher?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Do you want to make a ghost movie?
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Or do you have anything I actually want?
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: I actually want to do both a slasher as well
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: as as as you know, a traditional ghost non found footage,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: because like it's at the traditional way, it would be
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: more you know, like when you watch Hereditary, even if
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: the scene, you know, just a family dynamics, is that
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: you just feel so uneasy, like something's gonna happen. It's
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: not quite ghostly, but just like is you know, that's
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: sort of feeling that it's like the deep into your gut,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And that's something that I
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: wanted to create in my next horror film. It's a
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: it's like disturbing in a sense, right, it's just so
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: so from a ghost standpoint, that's what I want to
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: do for the next film. I don't know what the
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: concept is yet, and that's why Mom open the script
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: just to see. But I also wanted to make into
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: an elevated or in other words, like addressing you know,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: the social issues we got pay and things like that,
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: and you have to make it relevant.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to follow the footstuff of arid astor now
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: h yeah, I thank you.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: And as far as slasher is concerned, is that, you know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: the slasher genre has been I think what David Gordon
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Green did with what Halloween was was pretty awesome.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Like you have One, Yeah that was I love that movie.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: It's it's wonderful.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: It's just like you know, when you actually take a
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: non because you know, David god and Gordon Green is
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: non is not a horror director and he's more like
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: an indeed director and all of that too, but you
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: were to look at his style.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: It just makes it wraw, makes it really good.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: So what I really want to do with the slasher genres,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: and I believe it or not, I wanted to remake
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: uh the Fight at thirteen franchise right because Jason, Yeah,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: you know, if you ask anyone, it's not scary.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: It's it's fun.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: People that movie, Yeah, not to be scared, but they
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: just go, you know, to have fun. It's like saying,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: you know, yeah, teenagers get killed in different ways creatively,
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: it's just fun.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Right, that's twisted fun.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: But what I really want to bring it to it
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: is is that if the teens were more you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: characters who can care about. You know, like the way
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: that again Halloween did is that it ups the stick.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: It just makes the thing scarier.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Or terrifying in that right, So from a slaster John standpoint,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: I definitely wanted to bring to that, which is like,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: hey make Jason scary again. Okay, yeah, yeah, So those
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: were the two genre that I would love to tackle
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: down the line now that I guess I've bitten my
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: horror book so to speak.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Right, So, circling back to where you said you wanted
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: you wanted to do elevated horror and make things relevant
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: in kind of today's climate. Is is the is the
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: drop the mic character based off of like any YouTube
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: person that you particularly saw, or is it just kind
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: of like that YouTube horror haunt subculture type thing in general.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: So, so, so what happened was, you know, the idea
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: of Hotel Cecil actually got to me firstus because I
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: live in La So in twenty thirteen, when the Holy
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: Lisa Lamka has happened, it's like it didn't triaud me
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: since uh, since you know it it sounded unreal and
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: it sounded exactly like the movie Dark Water, the Japanese
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: ghost moviment. You guys, ever seen it, And there's also
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: an American remake. If you haven't seen it, check it out.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: It's called dark Water.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I have not seen that, and I'm very intrigued because
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I love like Japanese Korean horror. I really do love
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: that horror one.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So it's called down Dark dark Water.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's there's two versions, the original Japanese version and
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: the remake version, which Jennifer Connolly real version.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, but the remake version is not as good.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, it's never it never is. The American version
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: of Japanese movies is never is never better.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Except except for for for the ring.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, okay, you're right.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: The original.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Was pretty sad, so.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: So I would say, go and hunt down a dark Water.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: It's amazing, right, It's like it's it's it's disturbing, and
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: it's sad too.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: It's just kind of sad. It's disturbing.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: But the story is very similar where mother and daughter
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: move into this new apartment complex and then all of
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: a sudden, you know, like they hear noises upstairs. You
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: know what, the room has actually been abandoned for like
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: years now, and then uh, you know when the water
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: turns dark, you know, and when they actually go up
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: to the water tower, they actually find a dead body
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: in there, which is very much similar to the real
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: life of Lisa lam Cage, which is you know right.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: So when I when I.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Saw the news, I honestly thought it was a viral
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: marketing campaign for another remake, like, oh, look, there's a
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Dark Water Part three or some shit like that, right,
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: But I'm like, dude, this is real, right, So when
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I when I realized it was real, and how much
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: similar it is to the Dark Water even you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: the daughter's name is what is the American version remake?
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: The daughter's name is Cecil, what are the gens?
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: And keep in mind, all of this happened ten years
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: before Hotel Cecil, right ten years before that. So the
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: year the remake was made in like the like late
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: two thousand and then the original Japanese was like early
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: two thousand. So you're looking at all these events that
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: preceded the Hotel Cecil and that makes it really intriguing
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: for me.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: So I just started digging deeper into it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: And uh, you know, and I realized that, hey, you know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: my company I wanted to produce a horror film. You know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: it's just an easier way from a business standpoint to
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: sell it and everything else.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to do that one.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: That's why I talked to my producer, and my producer
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: also knew Todd Klick, the writer, who was also obsessed
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: with the hotel as well.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: So so we got together.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Todd came up with the idea that hey, let's do
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: let's use it against the vlogger culture because the blogging
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: cultures like we didn't base drop the micro on any
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: particular character, but I would say that probably he's closest
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: to I guess Logan Paul with the Jake Paul's out there.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and mind I'm not into the whole blog in fact,
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: like I'm you know, the funniest thing, dude, is that
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: is that I I suck at social media. Literally, I've
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: had my Facebook and that's literally my only one, right
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Instagram or whatnot. On Twitter, I signed up years ago,
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: but I never even signed on. In fact, I only
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: learned what retweet really means like three.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Months ago because my marketing said that I need to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: get on it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I just learned how to use
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Twitter like a couple of months ago. I've been on
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: it for ages, and I'm like, I don't.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Understand how the hell this works exactly Sam here too.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: And then I was like, wait, you know, I thought
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: it was only like you know, sixteen letters or some shit.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And then like you know, people said, no, this was
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: years ago. I'm like, oh, there you go. So I said,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not into that.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not into the whole blogging culture either because I
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: don't watch flocks or anything. But then when Top presented
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: that idea, you know, we created a drop of my character.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: I did watch two blocks of Logan Paul, two blocks
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: of Jack Paul, you know, just the scene in terms
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: of what they do. And then I did, uh watch
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: a couple of blocks from different bloggers out there, just
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: the scene in terms of how they edit the footage,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: the music, the sort of music that would use, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: the sort of like you know, mannerism. And you know,
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: one thing I can conclude was like, dud, damn, these
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: guys are fucking annoying.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: And that's funny about Mike is like you kind of
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: like him, but when he's doing his you know, vlogging thing,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: you're like, all right, like you're kind of over the top.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: But I like that aspect because it rings true to
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: today's culture. Is on YouTube, so it's it's literally like
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: it's it's a perfect you know example.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: And it's also great because like it's it's a found
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: footage movie where you don't immediately want the main character
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: to just die right away like so many other I'm like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: you know what to.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like and if you look at like, you.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Know, these real life bloggers out there, is that like
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: do you see that they you know, they are just
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: like us, you know.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Besides they you know, when.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: They dropped the bar their bravado, they have girlfriends, wife
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: or whatever it is, right, and then you gotta ask yourself, like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: how is it that anybody you know would want to
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: be with these guys? Like, you know, so I would
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: probably think that it probably dropped the bravado? So uh so,
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: I mean the version of follow that you see, we
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: actually there's a lot of deleted scenes that we probably
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: would put down either later on as a director's cut
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: or or extended takes so that it actually humanizes Mike
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: from the get go, Like you know, you would actually
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: moments at the moment the block stop so to speak.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: He speaks like a regular person, right, But for pacing reason,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: we removed it, you know, for the movie, because otherwise
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: it would have been like almost a two hour movie.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: And that's what I liked about this so much is
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: the fact that it was like an hour thirty eight.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: The pacing was really it was. It was perfect pacing.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: It was an hour thirty eight that felt like thirty
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: eight minutes. Yeah, I was like, it's just cranks through
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: constantly and I'm never bored.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, I'm like, all right, what's next, Yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: let's go.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: And there's not like, you know, there's a couple like
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: jump scares that like there's that mannequin scare that really
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: got me towards the end. Oh yeah, when Mike's down
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: in the basement. I was like, oh shit. But there's
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: not a lot of cheap, cheap jump scares. It's more like, oh,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: this is fucking intense, and I'm like actually kind of
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: scared right now. Like I have a deep sense of
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: dread that's like looming in my body and I'm like
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not okay with like this feeling.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: That or like this or like the scene where the
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: drug dealers are chasing him like, right, yeah, lives in LA.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I've lived in La. Like that's not outside of like
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: a possible thing that can happen on just a random
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: day in La. So you're like, Okay, it brings in
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: that like level of like okay, this this is like
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: there's that layer of reality. It just feels real.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh my god, this could be a plausible
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: like a night of people staying in LA. You know
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: they're saying there for the Halloween weekend. I mean, crazy
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: shit happens on Halloween to begin anyway, Yeah, not that
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: with what they're doing at the Crazy Hotel. So it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: just honestly, I adore this movie. And I'm not just
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: saying that because you're on here, Like we reached out
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: to you because of how much we love this movie.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: So we really appreciate you.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it, guys, and.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: The respect thank you, and the respect for like the
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: grassroots advertising you do in the Facebook groups and stuff.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Because I remember just saying, oh yeah, like I remember
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: talking about this and you're like, oh hey, I'd love
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: to hear about And I was like, who is this guy?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: And I looked at your profile. I was like, oh shit,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: it's the director.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's always cool when the director gets out
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: and interacts with the fans, especially in the horror community,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: because we take it so serious.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so right right, And I mean, you know, like
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: I said, like I always tell people that, like, you know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: if you're looking at drama or action, which I could
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: consider them as my forte so to eat, then yeah,
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: I have more experience, but when it comes down to horror,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: I'm just another fan.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm at it and I'm trying to learn
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: the rope. So that's why I wanted to talk.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: To all the horror fans and whatnot, is because I
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: need to learn more, for like a better words. I
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: could always improve, I could always learned a bit to
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: be better at horror. So that's why I wanted to
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: reach out everybody just to see what's wrong in the movie.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: And now you know, I don't mind taking criticism at all,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: like as a way for me to grow. So I
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: love that at those experiences, and I'll that you guys
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: actually reach out and all of that too, because it
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: actually educated me to be honest.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: All right, let's let's double back here. We already talked
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: about some earlier, so like, actually, you know what, you
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: already named me your favorite horror movie, so I'll just
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: go ahead and delete that, all right, so I know
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: you're not super super into horror.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Well, actually my my favorite, so uh, Nightmare on Elm
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Street was the movie that I remember the most, right,
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: but it's not necessarily my favorite. My favorite is hands
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: down The Ring, the the American version of the Room.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Really no, because it's PG. Thirteen and they really were good, honestly.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: And and and and also it was because I had,
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: like I said, you know, I was never a huge
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: fan of horror. I liked it, but they're never a
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: huge fan. So in other words, is I never like
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: went to a movie theater to see a horror film,
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Like I would go to the theaters or get.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: In line for the Matrix or get.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: In line for yeah, yeah, for Batman and all of
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: that stuff.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: But when it comes down to horror, like, yeah, I
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: watch it at home.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like it's I've never been that excited
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: about horror. And then I went to watch The Ring
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: with with the data mine at that time, and I
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: remember a dude, it was meat that was cleaning on
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: the girl's arm, not the other way. Around and the
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: fucking shot of you know, like with the guy at
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: the father opens up the closet and you see that girl,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: that dead girl.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was genius.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: It was Jesus. I didn't expect it. You know, it's
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: kind of like a jump skip it is not. But
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: then the reason why it works so well is because
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: the director, gorver Prinsky, he built it. He builds it
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: from the get go, so you know, there's something sinister you.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Hear, you know, you feel the mood, you feel.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: The ominous uh atmosphere, and then all of a sudden, boom,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: you get hit with this and again it goes back
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: into like, I don't know how the ghost kill these people,
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: but it must have been something so fucking terrifying that
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: it actually turned her skin pale and.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: It basically makes her, you know, makes her look like that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: So it's gotta be something it's truly terrifying that cannot
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: be explained on camera, right, So that is it affected
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: me in the sense that I'm like, oh, that is
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: hands down my favorite horror movie.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's the best.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: I'm just say it's my favorite just because that's sort
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: of you know, it gives me that experience.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I couldn't.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the line between what, you know, what's my
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: favorite and what's the best is the same way. Like,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: you know, I love Jason Takes Manhattan, you know, thirteenth,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: But you know everyone, you know, everyone hates that movie.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, no, no, I love that movie. It's
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: it's absolutely amazing. And people are like, no, that's one
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: of the worst ones. And I'm like, I mean, I
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: guess it's your opinion.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it's fun.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, dude, he goes to man and I'm like, yeah,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: all those punks of like you know, Bully or what not.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: He took the mask off. It just it's no longer
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: horm But it's fucking funny. It's just for him, right,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: this is awesome. It was awesome. It was just like
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: it's something I didn't expect before. Obviously. Now I'm watching
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it and.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, this is ridiculous, but I'm like, dude,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: this is fun.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, So we're talking about Jason. Do you actually have
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: like a like a favorite like Horror Icon? Is there
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: someone you like like Freddy or Jason Mike Myers? Is
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: there anybody you like like because for me.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Probably I mean probably Freddy just because of my you know,
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: love my childhood.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense, but it's.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Not I I don't Yeah, you know that, I think
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: about it. I don't have an icon, so to speak,
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: I should have an icon.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I don't have fun.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: You don't need to have an icon.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: I mean for me, you know, like I I've explained
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: my horror history, like the first episode we did, and
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: like I didn't even really get into it until I
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: was sixteen. And actually, Jason, I just watched the Friday
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: the thirteenth movies like last year for the first time,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: and now Jason's my favorite icon because he's just so ludicrous.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: So it's it's a.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Lot of fun to kind of you know, I'm like
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: thirty years old, and I'm like, wow, I've just changed
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: because it was Mike Myers originally for the longest time,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: and now I'm like, you know what, Jason's a been
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: more crazy and he's a bit more funna. I'm gonna
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take him as my favorite icon. So it's
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: not necessary. I just figured I would ask, because you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: it's typically what do we do.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna take the same ding.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: So I'll take your cue because if if anything, it's that,
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: you know, remember how I said, if there's anything I
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: really want.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: To remake, I want to remake a thirteen frenchire. Is
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: it just something so cool about that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Hockey mask, you know, as a hockey mask, and that's
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: the way that he breathes it. He's just like it's
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: like crazy, It's it's just like it's something that is
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: so unique and so iconic in the suns that yeah,
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: like I would yeah, so I would say a favorite
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: hahror icon will probably beat Jason.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: You're just something cool about you should just be a
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: co host on this show at this point. I mean, man,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: you're just you are hitting all the beats that we
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: have here. It's it's great to talk to you. So
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: let's see, let's see, let's let let's go into some
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: filmmaking stuff.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Corey, go ahead.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: So, and you had said earlier that like action drama,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: you know, high drama type of stuff is what you're
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: really into. Do you do you have a filmmaker that
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: has influenced you just the most in general? And subsequently,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: do you have a horror filmmaker that helped you you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: pick out some things and influences for this movie as well.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: So favorite filmmaker like you know, or the most the
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: person that I or the filmmaker that I actually looked
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: up to and and all that would be Christopher Nolan.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So but I have several you.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Know, favorite directors and all that that I actually borrow
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: a little bit from.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And so you're looking at Quantum Tarantino.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: Uh, you're looking at you know, Jay you sorry, You're
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: looking at Chris Nolan, Wang kar Y John Wu ari Astor,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: To to answer question later like the Horror directory.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: I again, I didn't see that movie prior to followed,
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: so you know, I wish I did, or it actually
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: hadn't come out because actually made Fallow way back in
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, the end of twenty sixteen, to be honest, right,
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: So we filmed it October twenty sixteen or September twenty sixteen,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: so at that time, you know, Hereditary wasn't out yet.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: So I would say now, if it were to pick now,
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: I would say ari Astor is a huge influence on me.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Gor Vera.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Prinsky at that time would actually be you know from
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: the ring guy would actually be someone that I would
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: look up to, uh, most recent directors, you know, Bong
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: June Hoe Parasite, because that movie knocked me off my socks.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Man, it's just amazing.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Oh that was a perfect movie. Honestly perfect.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: It is perfect.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Did you guys see the other movie that he did,
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: I mean one of his earlier one which I still
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: considered his grand masterpiece.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Memoir Murder.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I fucking love that movie.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: It's one of the greatest movies guys.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, I kid you not, man, I have the
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: proverbio boner.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: When I watched that movie, it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Was just so perfect.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: It was like, you know, it's just like it's so hypnotic.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: It's funny, but it's not trying to be funny, right,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: but it's like meaningful.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: It's got you know, it basically hits all the button
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: It's not necessarily scary, but like I said, it's not
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: you know, want to do whore. It's not necessary to
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: scare you and to you know, to have jump scare,
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: but to have it last within you, to have it
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: mean something. And yes, and you know, Memoirs a Murder
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: is just absolutely amazing as a master Well, what's.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Cool about that movie too. Is it's actually coming back
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: out to a theatrical release in Florida.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I can.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I have to, like, because I didn't get to see
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: that in theaters. I watched it Amazon or rented it
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: or something. So I'm very excited to go actually see
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: that in theaters. I think it's coming out in November sometime.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: So that is awesome.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is That is freaking awesome.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: So, you know what, going back to what you just
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: said though, because I saw on IMDb that this wasn't
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: you know, Followed was made in twenty eighteen, so you
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: said you started shooting in twenty sixteen, so.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Obviously there were some roadblocks you must have faced.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: So kind of walked me through the transition from twenty
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: sixteen to actually releasing it this year.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I know.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: So, so we we wrapped production, so we shot for
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: thirteen days in LA that's it.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: The sorry start interrupt, that's it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: No problem, Yeah, that's it is thirteen days. The script
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: was actually headed. The script was was two hundred It
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: was one hundred and forty four pages, so two hours
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: in twenty minute movie. Right, Wow, it's a because Todd click,
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, the you know one thing that that I
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: wish I could have done like differently or whatnot?
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Is that Top Click put a lot into the character relasion.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: But the only thing is that because we made it
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: into or so the first cut that we had would
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: less for like two hours from the twenty five minutes.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: It was good, it was engaging, but it just wasn't
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: scary at all like that. You didn't see any sort
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: of dread or anything because there was way too much talking.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: You know. But with that version, you you know, you
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: basically come.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: To love the characters because there's a lot more too.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: You see a lot more conversation. You see who Mike is,
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: who Jess's fiance is, and all of that too.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: But it becomes a drama instead of a horror. That's all.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: We had to cut it out.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: But yes, we shot for thirteen days, and after that
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: we basically ran out of money. In fact, we actually
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: ran out of money during the shoot, so there were
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: two days that I actually had to shoot, and then
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: during breaks I would call up investors to basically ask
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: them for more money, invite them on set so that
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: they could see what I'm working on, and then ask
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: like maybe a couple thousand years five thousand there, you
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: know what I'm talking about. So yeah, so it was like,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: it's the whole process is just that. So by the
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: time that we were done with it, we're like, okay,
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: now we got it. Now we have to have to
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: raise additional money for editing it, you know, to edit
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: it and actually put in the computer effects and all
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: of that too.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: So it took us about, you know, several months.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: So we cut another diraft like an hour and forty
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: an hour and fifty five minute. So we cut that
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: and we showed it to the investors. It's just a
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: rough draft so that they could see we'll.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Be working on and from that rough draft we're like.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: Hey, you know, we need more money in order to
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: finalize it. So it took us roughly in another three
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: or four months. So by June and whatnot, we have
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: enough money. Then you know, we start working on the post.
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: So after that, you know, we got everything done finalized,
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: and we actually started smitting into film Festival. So film
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: Festival that was in September twenty eighteen. That's why it
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: says with the Todays is that so we went to
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: we premiere at b Bank Film Festival. We want best
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: who are there and actually.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Get into attention of one of the producers.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: You know, pretty prominent producer, Jay Todd Harris.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: He produce The Kids All Right, Oscar winning film and
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: So he liked the movie a lot, so he basically
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: wanted to come on board, so he did, so we
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: brought him on board and he started to shop it
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: out to other distributors, and by early twenty nineteen, we
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: got you know, six or seven offers or whatnot on
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: the table for for followed, So it.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Would have been released then.
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: However, it wouldn't have been a theatrical It would have
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: been more like, you know, ten to fifty theaters tops
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: for like two weeks and then we would go to digital.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: So because Followers to a really super low budget movie,
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: and I you know, as a filmmaker, I'm like, hey,
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: I really wanted to be a theatrical experience, and since
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: the risk is little for us, you know, it's not
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: a million dollar plus movie, right, So I'm like, okay, well,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: even if we'd make a little I think we'll be
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: mixed back for investors. So we held out. So we
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: held out. We basically turned down all of the offers
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: unless they actually came with theatrical So finally in August
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: two thousand and nineteen, we global distributors. So they are
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: they're willing to put us out from three hundred to
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: start three hundred to one thousand theaters.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: So that was the plan. I see how it goes.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: So we accepted.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: We won with them, and the release date was supposed
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: to be the end of twenty nineteen, but we looked
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: at the marketing, looked at the calendars, like, yeah, it's
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: too much competition.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: You guys get lost in the trunk.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: So we moved it till January, which again, you know,
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: the calendard' look good.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: So we moved it to April.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: So April twenty twenty was supposed to when it was out,
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: but obviously the pandemic happened. So pandemic happened, and so
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: you know, boom, back to you.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Know, back to the drawing board.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: And our distributor came up the idea of doing it
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: in drive ins. So we agreed and we went to
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: drive in in June, and we actually, luckily we actually
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: hit number one in the box office for two weeks straight,
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: and that you know, I would say I credit all
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: of that to the pandemic because obviously this would have
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: never happened with other pandemic, right because we just had
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: very little competition, aren't The competition were other indie films.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: So that's where we we we we did well so anyway,
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: so that's that's so. So that's that's the rest of it.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: We won thousand theaters in two thousand and so June
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty and now we just went on demand in
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: September and we'll probably have uh, we we'll go international
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: either end of this year or early next year. Where
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: we got pretty much half of the other territories already locked.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: So we got Latin America, we got uh, some of
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: the European countries, some Asian countries, and that's it. So
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: we're still working on, you know, the other half of
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: the world international, but that's where we are.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: So and I know you've been asked this a million times,
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: probably already, but how does it feel to have like
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: your movie premiere in drive ins like those low budget
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: fifties pulpy movies would, and have it blow up like
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: it has? Because to me, that's that almost embeds you
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: in like horror iconography. As these guys came out in
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: a drive in and blew up like they did with
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: such a high quality film. It's almost like two things
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: that shouldn't go together married together perfectly.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean like it was pretty you know, it
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: was amazing. It was like really surreal because well, driving
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: I've never been in a driver ever before, right, so
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: it was it was really cool, like I actually got
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: to go there, and I'm like, you know, I got
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: to see my movie on the big screen and you know,
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: on drive in and all that, which is really cool.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: But on the same token is that I was more
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: concerned more than I was happy. It is because you know,
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: the film is is you could see a lot of
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: the goes are really blinking you miss, right, and as
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: dark a kind of way that men is dark. So
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: that a lot of drive in, especially in California, that
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: they start showing at eight, you know, the earliest show
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: is like eight thirty, which back in the summer, it
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: was still bright out there. So you know, our film
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: suffered from the fact that, you know, if you watch
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: an early show for the first thirty minutes, it's really
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: hard to see what's going on because, you know, because
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: of the lighting. So I was actually worried and concerned
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: about that more than I was happy, because like, man,
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: they don't get to see the movie I had the
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: way I intended to film to see right. But yeah,
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: all in all is it is an amazing feeling. It
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: is great. And we actually got a letter from the
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: American Academy as well. They wanted to so basically, you know,
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: if your film was one of the box office or whatnot,
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: they wanted to record it as part of.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: The American cinema history. So that was cool.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: We just still got the letter, We framed it, you know,
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: we sent the script and all that.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: So now we actually we registered in the American Academy.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: Registry or something like that right for the summer twenty twenty,
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: which is pretty cool.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: So all of those it's.
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: Awesome, and that's how I guess that's how I'm able to,
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: you know, get greenlet on my next project, which should
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: have at least thirty thirty times more times more of
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: the budget that I had would follow which is really awesome.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Now, do you do you mind if I ask what
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: your budget was for followed? Because I am kind of curious,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: you know, going back and forth with you, do you
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: mind disclosing how much the budget.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Was for that, sure, Yeah, one hundred and fifty.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Wow, you did a lot with one hundred and fifty
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you you didn't fifty thousand dollars with
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: no background in filmmaking either.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: That's that's well.
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, well, keep in mind, one hundred and fifty
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: thousand is production budget. There's also post, right, but typically
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: in the film industry we don't include post.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: We just talked about the production budget a post.
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: You added another one hundred thousand of the posts?
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Wow? Because about the post?
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the post it basically, you know, like a lot
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: of the costs, that's something that we can't control. So
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: for example, one hundred and fifty thousand, I keep you
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: or not. Literally fifty thousand is the actual money that
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: actually went into the production itself. The one hundred thousand
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: went into paying for the city of Los Angeles in
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: the hotel, right, so is you know it was some
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: because I wanted to shoot in the hotel instead of
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: the traditional film footage, which is, you know, you're trying
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: to confine yourself to.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: A house or the woods, things that don't cost.
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: A lot, right, But I'm like, I want to fucking
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: shoot in the city dude, Like, you know, we live
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: in LA.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: You know they get the skyline. I want my beauty shots.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: I want the city, right And because of that, dude,
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: you shoot in La. It was crazy, like just you
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: know at that scene where you know, Mike is just
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: walking back and the massman was chasing him and these
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: he sees it. So that scene alone costs like twenty
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: five K for like literally ten seconds. It's because of
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: the fact that that we actually had to shut down
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: two corners of downtown LA, and we actually have to
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: pay for insurance, We have to pay for the LAPD
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: to be there for the entire time as well, and
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: we have to pay.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: For the extras.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: So all of that cost is a twenty five k
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: just for that tiny bit shot. And then the hotel,
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: like every you know shoot in LA, you need to
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: actually pay an insurance as well as protection or the
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: LA Department. Even then you shoot indoors in the hotel,
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: So all of that costs racked up. I think the
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: final bill was like ninety ninety six or some one
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: thousand for just paying people fees, paying the city fees.
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: So the rest of it, which is fifty thousand, uh
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: went on screen went onto production, to the production like
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: filming and all of that stuff, and then after that,
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: you know, obviously when you go to the delivery like deliverables.
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: Deliverable itself, it's like forty thousand, right, so you know,
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: basically get everything mastered and then sound mixing you add
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: another twenty thousand. The special effects, I add another thirty thousand.
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: So next thing, you know, like we have to spend
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: an additional hundred thousand for the post. Right, So the
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: actual all in budget is about two hundred and fifty thousand,
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: but the actual production budget, which is what the industry uses,
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: is one hundred.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: And fifty And now you did you shoot in the
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: actual hotel that all the stuff went down? Because I don't.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think. I'd try to do my research and
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: it was hard to find a lot of facts. But
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: all the stuff with like Lisa Lamb and stuff like that,
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: that's not the same hotel.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Is it.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: No, we actually so we actually wanted to shoot in
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: the real hotel.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: We actually went there.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: So funny story, guys, So yeah, that hotel is actually
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: infamous by then because American Horror Store season four, you know,
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: the Lady Gaga whole season.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hotel season.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, hotel because it has it has you know, it's
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: got to do with the same subject as well.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Oh so.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I hadn't.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: Either, but I did watch like three episodes. It just
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: wasn't into it. It's just weird. It just wasn't fun.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not good. It was not good.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not good.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: I mean it was just like, you know, just like
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: you got vampires, robots, like what the fuck?
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: You know, It's just like it's really stylized.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: It's hilarious because I watched one episode of that and
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not into this. Ahs, I'm gonna,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna, I'm gonna move on. So it's funny you
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: said you watched three and you were done, because yeah.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: I felt the same way. I was like, this is
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: not my type of ahs, right.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: So.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: So so at that time, the hotel was really infamous
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: that they did not want to film any sort of
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: whoy related So our producer actually reached out and I'm like, hey,
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: we want to want we want to film you know,
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: a comedy, so like, yes, what's coming in. So we
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: sat down with them there we explained the concept of
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: blogger they're all like happy and all that, and in
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: the moment we started the ghostly events and like no,
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: you could see that.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: You could see the facial expression changes.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: They just they like from all smile to be like
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: get the fuck out.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Haven't you escorted out of the buildings, but like.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: Like like get out, like get the fuck out right.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: It was like that.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: It was so funny.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: So so we couldn't shoot there. But however they were
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: nice enough to recommend to us a couple of hotels
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: that interiorly speaking, looks like that. Uh so we actually
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: we we filmed at the Hayward Hotel, so we fild
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: two different hotels. Hayward Hotel has fourteen floors. That's where
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: we shoot the exterior as well as some of the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: running shots and the elevator scene.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: So all of the hallways or whatnot is from.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: The Hayward Hotel, which is like, you know, it's a
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: seedier looking, you know, really old looking and kind.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Of haunted looking.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: And then the second hotel was the Normandy, which is
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: is in Korea Town. It's only it's got it's only
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: got four floors, so that's where we shoot the interior,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: like the rooms and the hallway.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Where the casts sit at.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: So we So the challenge was because those hotels look
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: completely different, both in and out. So the key is,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: you know, as they running and all of that, I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: have to somehow make it so that they match, you know,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: in a sense. So it's tough because the moment the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: characters step into the elevator, I have to switch back
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: to the other hotel. But with the moment they get out,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: you know, then I get to to shoot it at
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: the other hotel. So you got to make sure that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: all of the shots match right. And so that was
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: one one huge challenge for us.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: Let's say that sounds like a logistical nightmare for taking
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: clips from other shots.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Well, and the only time I noticed that the hotel
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: looked different is when Mike was playing the Elevator game
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: when he came out in the hotel and I was like, Okay,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: that seems like a different place. But I was like,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: you know what, maybe it's like the service elevator or
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: something like that, but like, like you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's gotta be But other than that, I mean, yeah,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: that was that's pretty insane, how you cause that's the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: only time I ever noticed that it kind of looked different.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: That's really that's really it.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: And I thought it was part of the Elevator game anyway,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: so I was like, all right.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, actually the the the well part of the Elevator.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: So so the Elevator game, all of that is actually
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: played at one hotel, so when he gets in and out,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: so you know, I started correct on that, but it's
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: actually in one hotel. But the thing is that we
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: actually changed the angle from the wider lens to a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: you know, to a regular lens instead. It's it's basically
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: signified that he might have gone to a different dimension.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: So you were right on that look different.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: It is because it's just a you know, we just
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: changed the aspects of racial up the way we shot it.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Well, that's my thing about the Elevator Game too, is
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: the fact that I researched this prior to you know,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: going in the podcast tonight, and I was like, the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: way that you did it in the movie is exactly
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: the way they do it where it originated in Korea.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: It's four you know, you start in the first floor,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: you go to four and two, and then six and two,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: then ten and five, And.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: I thought that was so cool.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: That you incorporated that into your movie, because that's a
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: real thing, you know, in that started in Korea, and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: you also have a lot of other real things in
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: your movie, like the disappearance of a certain person.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: Which is why when I saw the trailer originally, I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: was so hype because I'm very big into like internet culture,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: mystery solving type of stuff, and yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: so seeing these things on film, like, I'm a sucker
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: for when a movie goes, oh remember that real world weird,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: weird thing that you know about here, you go watch
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: this and it was like, oh, you got the you
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: you had the uh Alisa Lamb thing, you had the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: Cecil hotel thing, and then it was like a few
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: other things.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I was just like, it's.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: It's everything I look is literally steeped in reality. And yes,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: you had to change names, of course, and you had to.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you had to. There's footage of you know,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: quote unquote Lisa Lamb going into the hotel into the elevator.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you had to shoot that with it with
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: an actress at some point, because you can't take real
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: footage from YouTube, I would assume, right.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: Right, I mean, everything you guys see in the movie,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: even the documentary portions of it, they actually all re enactment.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: None of them are real because we're not allowed to.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: That's crazy because it looks, it looks so true to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: the original material. So it's just you did a very
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: good job at at you know, mixing it all together
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: and you know, putting it into one movie. And that's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: why we love it so much, is because you know,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: we're a sucker for found footage. We're a sucker for
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: real life events being put into movies. And I just
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: true crime, basically true crime, true crime on footage, like
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: this just tickled all the itches and it's it's just refreshing,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: is what it is, especially for you know, especially for
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: a lot of not a lot of theatrical movies coming
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: out this year, so we've been relying on vod movies
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: and then finally this got released and we watched it
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: the day it came out, and we were like, yes,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: this is what I needed this year. This is like
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: absolutely one of my favorite movies of the year. It's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: just it's it's it's a lot of funne my.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Heart, my heart, thank you.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: So, I mean like it was, it was it was
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: fun It was like shooting on that and just like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: you guys too, It's like I'm a sucker for real
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: life event stuff because I think those are just a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: lot scarier than things that you can create presence and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: then put the mystery to it. Now, you know, funny
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: is that it's that we you know, followed obviously if
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: you watch, you know, if you get the ending and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: everything else, there's more to it. There's the entire universe
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: that we have built that I cannot wait to to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: Maybe in the seams we would actually just is what
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: the entire universe is like. But you know, do do
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: expect more real life events that we would in corporate with,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: not just in the US, but I'm talking about the world, right,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: So in the sequels a followup, we wanted to make it,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: you know, we wanted to address a lot of the
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: places out there as well as it may be different bloggers,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: it may not even be found footage.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: It all depends on, you know, what the story is like.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: So if I'm happy with the story, and if I'm
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: happy with you know, like if I think that I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: can actually bring something new to the genre, I totally
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: would would tackle it. But yeah, like I can't wait to,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: you know, until I get to the close the actual
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: mystery behind followed in the universe that we're creating for it.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: I think it's pretty cool. It's something that you know,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: no one has seen before, so I cannot wait.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: So and in the same light of that, what was
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: your favorite part of you know what of working on
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: this film or did you have a favorite scene? Because
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: if it, if I were thinking, it would be when
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: you got to chase the cast around in that mass
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: and to terrorize them, that would be my favorite part
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: of filming.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: You.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: You are absolutely right, that is actually one of my favorites. Actually,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: there are I would say two favorite now I wish
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: it probably three three favorite. Well, the first one is
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: probably you know it's it's it's the rooftop scene where
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: it's just a really beauty shot of the melancholic music
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: play in the back and we played the city right
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: and you watch the city and all that.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: To me, it's just, you know, I'm I'm a cheesy dude.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: I kind of like the you know, I like the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: music melancholic and pay you know, paying a manch to La.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: And things like that. So it's just, you know, on
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: a personal basis I love that shot, right, So that's one.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: The second is, like you said, the chase sequence.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: Because it was you know, it's it's a way for
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: me to scratch my action in, right, because in the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: original script, it wasn't a chase sequence. It's more like
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: they got followed by this guy than in a mask
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: and they just basically go on a different floor and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: like you'll still see the guy in the mask, but
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: it wasn't any change or anything like that.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: And when I read them.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: Like I want to do action, guys, let's let's put
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: them action a little.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Let's have them chase them instead.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: So I basically changed it to a sequence, which you know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: as you imagine, it was fun because, you know, because
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: we didn't have money to basically get the hotel to
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: be cleaned out or anything like that, so we actually shot.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: It a gorilla style.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: So a lot of the time when we showed that,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: people would be like opening up the doors, like what.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Are you guys doing? Like is that got something going on?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: It was we had to cut it and all of
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: that too, And it's just the whole challenge.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like solving a puzzle, you know what
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: It's like because we're like, hey, so these are the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: shots that we have taken from the other hotel, so
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: now let's match this.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: So you know. Uh So it was like creatively challenging,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: but it.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: Was also satisfying on how everything goes together. So that
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: was my my favorite as well. And lastly is the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: the the the basement sequence where Mike goes down to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: the basement. So that was planned as a one take,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: like ten minute long take, and we actually did it
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: in one take as well, although it didn't seem like
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: it because you know, there's like glitches and all that,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: and the basement is one of makeing realistic.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, follow that was one take and there was
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: just a lot of planning. I love that. So those
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: are three of my favorite shots.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: So, and talking about the basement scene, which is kind
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: of like the penultimate scene in the movie, how soon
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: into your writing process did you, you know, decide how
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: that kind of cliffhanger ending was going to come into play?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: Because I thought I had this movie figured the fuck
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: out same and then and then that ending, I was like, oh, well,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: damn it, now I have to watch it again because
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: I was totally wrong.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, so you know, in the beginning, we wanted
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: to do something along the line up because you know,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: if you look at that vlogging or even social media
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: culture nowadays, is that it's just cool with lack of
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: better or trolls, right, just people just you know, like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: trolling period.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Right. So it's like and same with the bloggers. To
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: the bloggers, they just very you know, they're just insensitive.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: They just you know, do anything that they that they
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: can for likes, you know. So we wanted to incorporate
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: the theme of what about we trolling, let's troll the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: audience instead, right, So in the sense, so it's kind
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: of like a you know, so the thematic element of it,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: it's a drop the mic, and the character is that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: he is uhh, he basically exploits tragedies for like for ecods,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: right he so he employs tragedies and in essence, in
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: a sense, we actually doing the same thing as a filmmaker. Right,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: So we're looking at Alisa Lamb and all of that,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: and we we don't necessarily want to exploit. And that's
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: one reason why I didn't want to use real characters
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: and change in the event is because I do want
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: to pay respect for that and you know, what happened
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: to her was truly a tragedy rather than you know,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: something that everybody should be paying attention to. But the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: thematic element of that is we're like, hey, okay, so
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: for the filmmakers, you know, we also exploiting this fact,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: just like we dropped the mic. So the way to
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: do it is that if you're the audience and if
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: you're wanting to see this movie and all of that stuff,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: then in a sense, you know, you have to believe
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: or you know, you have to question yourself, is what
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: you're seeing on screen?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Is it real? Is has it been doctored?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: What's going to is dropped the mic really just trolling
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: you because that's hence the explanation of the final ending,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: the ending shot that he means forward and all that
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: stuff right and look as your ghost or whatnot. So
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: we wanted to have those questions and have to also
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: wanted to address, you know, the thematic element of trolling others,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: you know, of like being trolled controlling others. So that's
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: one thing that we wanted to incorporate. And then the
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: second thing, it's you know, from the filming that standpoint
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: is that I wanted the first part of the movie,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: or at least two thirds of the movie to be
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: filmed in a very voyeuristic standpoint. So that's why you've
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: seen in the beginning all three of them had cameras,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: and the cameras are actually cut different angles. So in
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: a sense, although you're in POV, but you're never in
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: POV for that you know, extended duration of time. So
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: it's more like you're watching these characters, you watching them
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: interact with each other, you know, so you are an
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: audience of a vlog, so you're just watching it. But
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: then the very final moment when he's descending to the basement,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: that is when the perspectives which is completely to POV,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: which is putting the audience, you know, ask dropped the
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: MinC as they venture down into the basement. So that's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: why I wanted that shot to be uninterrupted. I wanted
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: you to feel what Mike felt at that time. And
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: so those are the elements that I have in the beginning, and.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: I definitely, I definitely felt that anxiety in the basement
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: scene because it and the thing I liked about it
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: was you threw so many and maybe even unbeknownst to you,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: you threw a bunch of these horror tropes at us,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: all in one big, like horror movie sequence. It was
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: like you had the jump scare and then the fake scare,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: and then the character getting emboldened and trying to fight
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: his way, then realizing he's helpless, and then the quick
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: cuts or what seemed like quickcuts when he would like
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: fall down on the ground and start crying. It was
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: all this, but it was all done so well that
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: it didn't seem cliche or tropy. And I think that's
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: because the whole first half of the movie you feel
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: like you're just like, Okay, this is like behind the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: scenes extra stuff.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Like I'm like, all right, I'm comfortable in this.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: I know where the characters think and what their motives are,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: so all right, cool, I get this. And then you
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: get thrown into that POV style and you're like, ah, shit,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: like I wasn't ready for this.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I felt when i'd watched it for
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: the first time. You know, you're you're thrown into this
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: whole YouTube kind of thing and like, yeah, I don't
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: really watch vloggers, but I know the whole thing on
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: YouTube is like vlogging, and you're kind of thrown in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: this like nice world of just like, yeah, this is great.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: And then they're like, oh, we're gonna go to this
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: creepy hotel and you're like, I don't like that, but okay,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: and then they Mike is like, Mike is like Chris,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: don't be a pussy. Just stay in this room that
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: this guy murdered all these people in, and you're like, okay,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: that's fine. And then you get to the basement scene
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: and you're just like like, oh my god. As a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: horror fan, I'm just like I was thrown through so
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: many things in this movie. I'm like, I don't even
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: know where I'm at, and I know I'm scared. Like
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: I watched this last night on my surround sound downstairs,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: which is the first time I actually watched it on
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: a surround sound, and I had to turn the lights on.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not shitting you, like I had like
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: I had to like flip lights on in the background
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: and be like, Okay, I'm not like I'm not a danger.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I'm okay.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: Awesome, awesome, I mean, you know, and and well, one
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: one huge regret about this movie.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: If I you know, I could go back and it
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: could change anything.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Is that I wish I had an additional maybe eight
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: to ten thousand dollars more production, so I can filmed
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: the ending sequence that I originally intended.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: So yeah, spoiler alert, right, yeah, you know, so.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: The spoiler alert when you guys go you know, when
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: they go down to the basement, right, and then he
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: runs and you know it get attacked by the mannequins
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: and whatnot. Right, Originally I planted a lot you know,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: there's a lot more scared, it's a lot more terrifying.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: But we just did not have the time to shoot.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: We were like, you know, we.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: We needed an addition about three hours, and the hotel
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: was actually they are in the process of renovating the
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: basement themselves and basically they had to do it the
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: very next day, so they did not allow us to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: shoot the next day, right, And that's that. And then
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: they actually want more money, which we didn't have, so
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: we I had to cut it short.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: And that's why you thought, that's what I saw. But
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: if I had my way, it would have been difference.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: Like so, after you know, he saw the computer and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: all that, he would run and as he started running up,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: he actually would get to the door, you know, to
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: try to open it, but the door.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Is just shut.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: So then he turns around and that's where he would see,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: you know, the mannequin's hand to someone just throwing the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: mannequins across. He can't see anything, right, and then he
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: started to run. So he started to started to run
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: towards the other direction because he saw an exit sign
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: because in the back in the basement, there's another exit
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: door down the.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Back as well, so he saw that he ran towards that.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: But in order to get that, he had to climb
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: a fence because again the basement does have a fence
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: in the real location, so as he was climbing the fence,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: there should be another ghost attacking him.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: From the fence. He fell down, he started crawling, another
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: hand would grab his leg pull him back, you know,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: so that.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: He actually would then hit the ghost, but instead of
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: hitting the Goes, he hit the mannequin instead and it
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: broke his hand. So, you know, as he's as he
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: start crawling crawling in the back of him, another Goes
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: we grabbed him and held him right until the other side,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: so that everything is going to surround him. In that sentence,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: the way I shoot it, everything's going to be POV that.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: In my mind, it would have been terrifying. And it's
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: just so bad that I could you know, I felt
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: so bad I couldn't do that. But so that was
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: one thing that I wish I could have done Differently, I.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: Still felt like, you know, the basement scene, it still
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: felt really cool because at one point after again spoiler
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: alert to anyone who hasn't seen this, after he goes
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: through the you know, seeing the computer and being like
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: what the fuck and then turning around and grabbing the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: pipe and throwing it down the stairs, you get to
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: that point where all these mannequin parts are just thrown
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: at him. And I was watching this like, what the
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: fuck is happening right now? This is crazy, Like I've
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: never seen anything like this, And I have a terrible
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: fear of like dolls and like just just groups.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: A horde of mannequins is like a terrible fear of mine.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: So when you say there, I believe.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: Or not, there actually is a reason for that too,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: which I don't want to reveal because that is going
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: to go directed to the sequel, which would explains you know,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: what ghosts can truly do you know, can the ghost
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: hurt you, you know, or does it need another conduit
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: to go you know, to go for it, because if
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: you've seen the movie, right, you've never seen any deaf
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: scenes like on screen you don't see you know, you
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: see characters being terrorized and they're losing their minds, but
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: you've never seen a ghost like you know, grabbing them,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: biting them, like taking the heads off and all of that. Right,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: it's because but to me, my belief is that ghosts
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: is more like you know, it gets you to terrify
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: and then they might possess you or whatever make you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: think that you normally wouldn't do, or it would make.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: You lose your mind. But that is the power of
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: for ghosts.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: You can't really cross over to all realm and physically
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: hurt you the way that say.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Jason would, right, or like other movies would.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: So that was one of the rules that I established
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: and why you didn't you never saw the ghost technically
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: hurting them, and that's why they had to use another
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: conduit like the mannequins for example. Right, So those are
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: the things again in the sequels and whatnot, I would
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: hope to flesh outa.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: You said sequels plural to this, Yeah, there sequels with
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: an S, so you're talking about multiple to this to followed.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, we actually have one.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: Well we actually either have two movies planned or one
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: movie and and and the television show that we actually
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: are and talked with, you know, with a few folks
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: out there, you know, with big name folks, which is
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: pretty cool, like, yeah, that's what they need to keep
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: on the wraps of the.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I would never have you. We're just happy
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: there's more. Yeah, I'm happy that there's more.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's going to be a little bit different though,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: because you know, if you look at Christopher Nolan what
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: he did with you know, Batman Begins and then The
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: Dark Night, right, it's just like it's almost like two
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: completely different movies.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: It's just escalating more. Right.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: If you remember the last line of bat Man that
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: Batman begins is that I think it's like, yeah, Gordon says, hey,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: you know you used to wearing a mask, and you
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: know he had the Joker, had had a taste for
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: the theatrics. Things are escalating, right, So that's how they
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: left with the first one and the second one, The
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: Dark Knight. He actually did escalate everything had just fucking
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: escalated is just a genius. So that is something that
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: I want to bring to the sequel of Follows, which is,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: you know, do you continue the storyline.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: And drop the mic? Maybe right, but maybe that's just.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: A small part of what we've seen. So I definitely
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: want the sequel, the first sequel at least to address,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: you know, some of the questions that you know, people
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: might be wondering, and then have it take place in
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: different continents to the country, you know, outside different countries,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: not necessarily interest in the US. And then the third
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: one is where I would actually tie everything all in
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: with the location that you know, uh uh is closer
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: to you know, one of the the the town a
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: small town in France, you know which Again I take it.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: I will reveal the real life story on it as well,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: but it's like I had to do with the Catholic
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: Church and everything else there. So we have things planned.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: We just need to make sure that we put it
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: to gather the correct way. But yeah, like I'm excited.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: So everything that you're going to do involving Followed, like
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: you know, going on, is going to have real life
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: ties like the first one did. Because that's I mean,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: that makes me so happy, like yeah.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I gotta you know, I wanted to do it,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: you know, like you're using that and maybe, well I'm
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: not sure that I should use the pandemic as well, you.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Know, as part of it.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: But one idea that it was toying around was is
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: that people are fearful of the pandemic because they're fearful
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: of the virus. Right, So what happens if fear is
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: just a virus, A ghosts is like a virus that
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: it could spread. But sure, you have you ever been
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: to a place that is like hey, you go into
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: a hotel and you don't even you're not thinking about anything,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: that you're fine. But then the moment you know, say,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: you know, you meet somebody at the hotel, they tell
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: you all the stories like hey, this place is haunted.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: They started telling you all the story.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: What do you do when you go back to your room,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: You're gonna start thinking like, oh shit, done.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: In this room? Is it really haunted?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: So what I'm talking about is that that fear, you know,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: that that fear of hey, something might be real. That
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: virus is more important than any anything. It's more definitely
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: than anything, almost like.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: The placebo effect of like if you tell someone you know,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: this is what it is, this is what you're going
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: to think.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: So that's actually that's that's pretty goddamn smart.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: Exactly, thank you. So, so that is, you know, that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: is one theme that I definitely wanted to address in
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: the immediate sequel to followed, which you know, hopefully I
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: would tie up to with the pandemic in a way
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: that makes sense as well. So again I'm still working
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: on that. And like I said, if I figure as
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: something that I know that oh my god, this is
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: that no one's ever seen before that I want to do,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: I want to make it, then I'll certainly jump on
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: to director.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: But if anything is that, I'll produce it.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: But with me that you know, it's still it's still
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: since it's uh, you know, my collective creation with the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: writer and everything else, is that I'm still no matter what,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: I'm still going.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: To be heavily involved in the sequels, whether I'm directing
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: them or not.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: Now, are you going to still work with the same
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: writer for the sequels?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Possibly? Possibly? Yeah.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: The The well the writer is that he you know,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: if you looked at his credentials that you know, whor
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: is not his trope either.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: It's not his forte either.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: So this is more like a challenging a challenge process
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: for both of us because we wanted to try on
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: something new. But with him is that he likes historical biopics, right.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: He likes to write things that had to do with
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: that ground it in the period, like a time period.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: He loves to write a movie.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: I think he already wrote like two three different screenplays
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: that took place in the nineteen thirties and I mean
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: the forties and all of that. So he loves that
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: sort of movie instead. So so it's all so it's
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: not about whether or not I want to work with him,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: it's whether or not he wants to continue, right.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: But that the because the.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: Universe, the the the universe of recreating that's more like
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: my like me, as was my producer, Matt Prubaker, so
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: that we are the ones that actually came up with
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: the the the universe. Todd click add to it, you know,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: touched his own element to it. So yeah, it's very possible,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: but it's all depend on I think like he takes
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: the same approach as I am, which is if he
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: can think of something that he wants to tackle the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: right but if he doesn't, he might just stand back
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: as a.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Producer as well.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: But yeah, either way, as I'm we're going to you know,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: I can promise you that the sequel will most definitely
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: be better because at that time we won't have we
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: won't run into the same issue of lack of budget
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: the way that we did and lack of experience.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: The way that I add.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: Right, So maybe in the sequel will be much better
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: because we even more equipped, we have all the money
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: that we need, so that it will be a much
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: more terrifying experience.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: That's fantastic because to say that what you gave us,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: you're gonna do more terrifying, right that that that just
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: that hit that warms my heart because especially with found footage,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: you know you I'll use Paranormal Activity as an example. Yeah,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: they're good movies, but the the universe isn't necessarily expanded
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: outside of like two or three households, and you saying
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: you're gonna give us like a possible worldwide type of universe.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: It's it's just nice because there's like, okay, so you
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: can keep the same idea but have a completely different
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: story and have it all wrap up nicely. It's it's
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: something that just is nice to look forward to.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: It.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: It's almost like it's almost like VHS And in a
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: sense because VHS is, you know, a segmented horror movie
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: that takes place, you know, over here, and then VHS
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: two is over here, it's almost like the same thing
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: that you're kind of bringing to this is follow it
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: is happening. Okay, yeah, it's happening over here in Los Angeles,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: but then we're gonna throw it over here to another
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: side of the world and just kind of keep the
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: same vibe but also continue the story. So I mean,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: it's it's refreshing. Honestly, it is very refreshing.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, and I hope. But actually, what you know,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: because you know there if you go.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: Online, there are multiple there's literally thousands of hundreds of
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: thousands of events that have happened and you know throughout
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: the human history love you know, ghostly experience or spiritual experience,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: like real life story, things right that I wanted to
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: somehow I know it is a grand ambition but somehow
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: tied on together. So it becomes a thing that you
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: know when people, you know, if there's like another unexplainable
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: event that happens, you know, you might tie up to
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: hey followed, explain this why this happened? And I think
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: there is one thing, that one common thing that we
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: can tie everything together, and hopefully that is something that
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: that I would be able to show, but that probably
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: won't happen until like the third sequel follow because that's
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: the big grand scheme idea of continuing with this universe
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: and hopefully explaining all of the paranormal more events that
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: happened throughout the world.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: But still to even in my opinion, to even have
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: an idea of how you're going to tie that all together,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: you're like twelve steps ahead of us man, because like.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here listening to you be like, Okay, well
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: could he do this?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: No, that wouldn't make sense if he did this, So
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, he even has an idea.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: So that gives me that.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: Much more hope that you're, you know, planning far enough
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: forward to where it doesn't seem like you're going to
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: be flying by the seat of your pants, right exactly.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to take a page out of Nolan's playbook.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: You know, everything that he does is that he doesn't
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: like SQL. But if you're gonna do a SEQL, he
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: got to do it bigger. It's not just not just bigger.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: And better, but it's more like, you know, like more meaningful.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: It's like it's really a sense of escalation is what
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: I really want to bring to it.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: So hopefully, you know, we'll get there.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: So we'll say it's still going to be a little
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: long term process, but we'll see.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: And and you know what, we will be following you
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: for anything you do. Now since now that I know
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: you're on the map, and I've seen this movie because
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: you know, like it like something like I watched that
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Elisa Lamb tape. I mean probably seven year I mean
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: it was twenty thirteen, right, so yeah, at least I
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: saw it seven years ago and I was like, oh,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: that's some crazy shit. And you know, here it is
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: seven years after the fact, and I'm watching a movie
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: that's kind of based, you know, in that realm of
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: just curiosity, and I'm like, this is insane. And then
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: you have you know, you have the uh, the night Stalker.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: You've called him the night Crawler, and.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah movie, and I'm I'm a huge like I love
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: serial Killer stuff, it like to a point where it's
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: kind of weird.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I am the same way, dude.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: I mean like I uh uh uh you know uh.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: Seven is one of my favorite movies of all time, right, what's.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: In the box?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know seven?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: It is incredible. And on Netflix, you know the show
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: mind Hunter.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, yes, I love that. A third season,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: I was so sad when they cancel. I'm like, dude,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: this is such a quality show.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: That's what Netflix does. They they make one or two seasons.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: They're like you know what, fuck you were done, and
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: you're like no, no, no, no, no, this is a good this
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: is good.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Keep keep doing it. Yeah. I wish they would do
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: a third season of that, seriously.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: And and to see how well you did, like the
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: dramatizations and the recreation of Richard Ramirez into almost I
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: was like, wow, like this is this is literally alternate
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: reality what happened? Like it was so close the guy
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: that you got to pose for the picture of him
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: with a like that with the demonic symbol in his
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: hand because Richard Richard Ramirez had a pentagram I know.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: So I was like like I saw.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: Like the serial killer nerd in me just started doing
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: little shrieks because I was like, it's so good.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Awesome, guys, awesome, thank you.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and hopefully I'll bring more of that, you know,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: into sequel, but just expanding it, you know, to include
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: the worldwide events or whatnot. So I can't I can't
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: wait to show it to you guys. But you know,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: obviously at that time, I'm probably going to be leveled up.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: So you know, that's why I part of me is
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: like I really wanted to do I wanted to come
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: back to the version and directed as well, you know,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: if we have a good screenplay.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: And it also it also means a lot to us
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: in the horror community that you were like, you know what,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna make a horror movie just kind of for
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: shits and giggles because it's something I've never done before.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: And now you're like, I want to make more horror.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: No, that's great. That's great because.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: Horror is such a small genre in the world of film.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: So to have somebody come in and be like, ah,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: you know, I just kind of dip my toe in
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: it and now I'm addicted to it. As as horror
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: fans were like this is amazing.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Come to us.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like like come this way, we will, we will
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: show you the way, we love your.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Will support you. Just keep doing your thing. And that's that's.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: That's like me and Corey are super big on that,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Like we love supporting.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: It's like stuff that's just not huge, like this is.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: This is a movie that's so good that deserves a
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: bigger audience for people. And I know a lot of
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: people don't like Found Foot and you know what, I
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: don't know. It's it's it's it's a very niche audience.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: But we we really love this and I will always
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: back this movie and movies like this, even though this honestly,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: I was watching this for like the third time today
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: and I was like, this is different, this is fun,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: this is interesting.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in three and four times watching it in a
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: span of like five days, I'm like, I'm not bored
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: of this exactly. It stays good, It stays evergreen, it
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: it doesn't get old.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: And you know, I will say, I remember we were
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: we were emailing back and forth and you said to
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: try and look out for the hidden things you put
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw it, Corey but he
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: Antoine said there was like some hidden ghosts they put
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: in there. I looked and I looked, but I actually
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: could not find any hidden things. I don't know if
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I was like not looking in
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: the right spots, you know. But I believe Antoine because
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: I know there's something in there, but I just I
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: just don't didn't know where to look.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: And because of the camera work and how I guess
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: non traditionally found footage, it is like, yeah, there's some
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: shaky cam stuff here.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: And there every now and maybe, but like.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: All of the shots are very stable most of the time.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: So I'm just kind of soaking in everything, right, Like
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: most of the time, I'm like, all right, let's look
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: into the background, because I understand this camera angle is
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: telling me there's something to look for in the background.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: This everything it was framed in a way to where
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: I was just like, oh, just soaking in, dude. Just
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: watch what's going on.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Even the hotels when they're in the bedroom, like when
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: you have Nick and Danny and Chris and they're in
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: the bed and it's just that kind of framed out.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: You're like, this just looks good. Just sitting here, like
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: I don't like where am I supposed to look like?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: I know, I saw things over the bed kind of
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: shaking their head a little bit every now and again.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: But I was like, this just looks so good in itself.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know where to look. I
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: don't know what to do.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there are there are ghos that are you know,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: the hitting and playing site right, you know it's not
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: new And by ghost, I don't mean you know, they
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: more ASPI you know, operations rather than ghosts, so to speak.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: And a lot of them are being covered.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: By the actual you know, the glitchy effect as well.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: So the first scene, so I can give you as
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: a clue the very first thing when the first when
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: the movie begins, you probably seen this, right, which is, uh,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: you know the film opens up and it's ecstatic angle
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: of the basement, don't you guys?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Remember that?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: And then and then it's like it's glitches it and
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: then boom the movie begins.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: Right, So right with the glitches, if you guys were
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: to look at.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: It, did you were you able to catch the face
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: I mean the face of a ghost right there?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: No, And that's and I think that's because your glitch
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: effects were so non regular found footage glitch effects that
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: I was actually captivated by the effect and I wasn't
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: like look trying to look between the scan lines to
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: figure out what was there.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: I was like, all right, miss, if you were two
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: making to us, you know, to either and have a
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: speed or just slow modor even like to pause it,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: you'll see it right there, like where you know in
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: the beginning when you see the shot of the basement
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: and then the is you know, like that shot like
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: right when there it should be a face if it
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: goes the face of the head shaking goes whatnot?
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Right, if you pause it, you see it right there.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: But if you don't pause it, and you were to
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: watch it, but you know, just stand it back a
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: little bit and just pay attention to that, you'll see
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: a face is pretty visible.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: But if you pause it, you actually can draw the
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: face out right.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: So that's one of the things that I wanted to
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: put in the film, which is again treating it as
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: if it was an actual real life blog. In other words,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: is when you watch the blog, you in control of it.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: You can pause it, you can pass forward or rewind
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: it however you want. So the ghost up there that
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: I'm just not telling you it is you have to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: look for, but it's right there. If you were to posit,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: you'll see the face of a ghost right there.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: And it's things like that that are that make this
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: because that's something that I am kind of the guy
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: that points things out in the movies on the show,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: Like I'll be like, oh, yeah, did you notice this
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: in this scene? If you pause it like at yeah,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: you are, you'll see this thing like in the background,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: and it actually relates to something that happens three quarters
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: of the way through the movie. So when I don't
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: notice something like that, you know that it's it's very
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: well done and very well hit.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, well go ahead, sorry ahead, Oh no,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: I mean I was just gonna give you guys. A
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: second hint of the ghost is where where you know,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: the first night when they sleeping and the the door opens,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: And this is actually pretty easy to find if you
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: pay you know, if you look at that corner.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: You'll see it.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: But I know a lot of people didn't, so so
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: remember that shot when they're sleeping and the door opens.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that one I actually did see, and it makes
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: a whole lot of sense that you were what you
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: said earlier with you haven't seen any like very like
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: go you haven't seen go images. You're not seeing like
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: a dude that's all white. You see these smoky apparitions,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: and I thought it was just like a shadow that
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: was dancing on the wall. But that makes a whole
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: lot more sense that it's it's more of like a
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: realistic ghost video.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: So that's super cool.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah, if you want to play it in
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: slow mo, especially when the door you know it opens,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: you don't see anything it close it.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: But then when the light flickered, the bathroom light flicker and.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: Then you hear the song of you know, like that
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: the ghost sound, and you pause right there you'll see it, Like,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: it's pretty clear. I think that was one of the
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: clearest hidden goes over the Yeah, that you see the
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: ghost like just standing right there.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: So how many quote unquote hidden ghosts do you have
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: in the movie? Like how many did you actually try
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: to hide?
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: I like about four of them, now I wouldn't you know,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: and a lot of the like, you know, one of
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: them you probably would not be able to figure out,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: as we tell you that is uh is And again
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: this will probably be explained in the sequel as well,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: which is where the character of Nick when she uh,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: this is right after when she's about to jump off
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: the roof jump jumped off the window.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: At Mike wraps her.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh, you know at that point you see
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: there's a Smarklet look above and.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: You'll see it.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: You know, it's it's just more it's not clearly as
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: it goes because it's more like a shadow so to speak,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: that is somewhat of.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: A human a humanoid form.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: But like I said, it's less than that nano second,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: So unless you pause it, you probably wouldn't see it.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: But that's super cool though, because you know you kind
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: of watch, you know, Nick go throughout this movie where
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: she's in she's in another room as as everyone else does,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: and they go in there every once in a while
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: to check on her and they're like, hey, are you okay?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Your nose is bleeding, like you're feel like what's going
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: are you okay? And then she's just getting progressively worse,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: worse and worse.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: That's the one thing that I kind of wanted more
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: out of was I was like, all right, why are
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: the people that are staying in the room of the murderer.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: Why are they getting like very minor like pins and prods,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: but the next room over Nick is just being absolutely
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: just tortured.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe it was the fact that she was
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: just alone and subjected to all the craziness of that room.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: You like, you know what I mean, like who knows? Yeah, exactly,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: who knows. It's one of those who knows scenarios.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: And I was like, man, give me, like five more minutes,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: five more minutes.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: What's going on? Can we just get.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: In the sequel?
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: I would, you know, like I would expend more on
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: that two. But actually it's you know, I deliberately wanted
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: her to be off screen just so that you know
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: a lot at the time, when you hear a story
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: about a person getting affected, I think it's like showing it,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: like how she's getting affected is one thing, but just
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: hearing about it and figure out in your head what
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: might have happened to her, You know, it might have
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: been even more terrifying because it's not something you've seen anymore,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: something that you actually try to put together yourself, Like
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: what did the ghost tell her? What does she really
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: see that would actually drive for her to.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Be that way? Right?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: And that's again in the sequel probably would shine one
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: light to it. And also there's a thematic element in
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: the movie that you see as well. And the thematic
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: element is that you know, once you are you know,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: if you're someone like mine, they would like the blogger. Right.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: So what he does is again he exploits tragedy for likes.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: And typically when tragedy happens true tragedy, it doesn't happen
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: to you, it happens to the people that you love,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: the people that you care about. Right, So as to
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: see the end of the movie is like, I mean
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: that scene is actually a tough scene to watch. Uh,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: his wife, his fiancees is killed, and you know his
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: unborn babies also okay, which is like really evil, which
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: is really dark.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: hold on, back up, back up. I know the spoiler alert,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: I know the I know the wife got killed, but
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: with the unborn yeah, because the wait.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: One of the scenes, uh, the fiance calls Mike and
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: she's like, oh she she kind of plays like a
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: small break on him, saying, oh, I have this condition
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: in my blood.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: And he's like, what the fuck does that mean?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I'm pregnant, right, right.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: Oh that was a setup for something else, right, right,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: she was.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: Just pregnant, right, And so so it's more like it's
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: it's more like something that is like if you are
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: you know, if you bring in the sort of you know,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: if you exploiting evil, you know, just for your own benefit,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: then when it comes back to you, it doesn't affect
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: you immediately. But what it does is that it actually
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: affects those around you. It brings a tragedy around you.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: So that's why I like, you know, that's why I
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: wanted to leave Nick alone because she's alone, so obviously
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: you know she would be the most vulnerable for one
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: and then two and is that again she she's an
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: innocent bystander. She just you know, her fault is as
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: she goes with Mike, right, So it's kind of like
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: those are things like one by one.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: They get picked it.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: So it's more about how I guess the thematic element
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: is more like tragedy strikes.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: You're like, how does it strike?
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: So you could see like they strike each individual separately,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: but it's all of those It happened to all those
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: people first before it happens to Mike so hell, it
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: only happens to me at the very end of the movie,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: you know, and that's that's there for a reason, because
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: I want him to feel the tragedy happening around him.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: Because he sees his world crashing down around him with
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: all his friends, and then he gets it down in
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: the basement and you're like, yeah, that's and that's shitty.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: It also makes sense with one of the lines that
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: Mike says that kind of almost sounds like a throwaway
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: line after he finds the old lady from Room four
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: oh seven had jumped to suicide.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Mike was like, I don't like this. This feels different.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: This isn't the same as the others.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: So exactly so that.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: Kind of throwaway line, it now makes a whole lot
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: more sense to me because it's now him his uh,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: it's reverberating back in on him.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Wasn't wasn't it four forty?
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: I think it was for he.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: Goes he goes into four forty at one point, and
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: then then it eventually goes into the room that everyone
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: was in. He's like, wait, wait, wait, why are you
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: guys here? I was in four forty And they're like, no,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: there was a guy with the tax.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: On, which is another great horror trope that was completely
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: flipped on its head and done so much better because
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: there's so many movies where the girl's running. She opens
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: the door out of the haunted house and she runs
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: back in and now she's in the bathroom, and you're like,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: all right, cool, but this like the like the horror
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: stops once they all meet each other again, and you're like, okay,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: that was like I knew that, like that was a
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: thing that happened, but now it's it's completely flipped over
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: and the anxiety is now gone when it should be elevated,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: and it's almost like that red herring that it gives you.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: And I love the fact that Mike was chasing the boy.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: He's like, hey, I know that kid, and he chases
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: the boy down to four forty and he's going down
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: there and then yeah, he opens the door. But then everybody,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: you know, Danny and Chris inside I think it was
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: fourteen twenty eight ye, they're like they're like, wait, did
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: you not see the guy with the hack? So I
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: was like, no, I was chasing the boy. I love
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: that whole confusion of like, no, I was here, checked
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: my footage. But then you check the footage and it's
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: just shots of the basement and they're like, uh, is
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: this the drone footage?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Like what the hell's going on? And you're like, no,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: And then that whole fight that they have was just
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: so like visceral and raw. You're like, oh god, they
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: don't know what's going on. But like as a third
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: party person watching this, you're like, oh, man, I know everything.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: It reminded me almost of the urban legends that you
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: hear of the Blair Witch Crew just absolutely messing with
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: the cast.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they could get those real reactions.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: It almost was on that level of you had purposely
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: put them in a situation to fuck with them, and
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: that acting was more real than acting because it felt so.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: It did feel it's so tense, it felt very real.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, these people are actually
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: fighting with each other.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, Oh my god.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's that's all this out.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm super happy that you guys caught all that,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 5: but yeah, it's it's you know, that's that's when I
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 5: when I made it.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: I know there was a risk because.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: I because I know that in horrors, people like the
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: secos and you know, James Want is a master at it, right. So,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: uh so, James Want is actually one of my uh
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: you know, one of the directors I greatly admired as well,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: like what he.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Does with conjuring and all that. I think.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: I think he just master of being able to build
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: the set pieces. But one thing that I never, I
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: guess liked about his set pieces is that he they
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: always end up showing the ghost. And again, I'm in
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: a minority here because I know most people love it, right,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: but I never get scared of James Want's ghost. They
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: look like people would make up just to me. It
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: just took me out of it, you know. So that's
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: one of the things I didn't want to do is
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: I didn't want to show the ghost that much, you know,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: after a lot of pushing from my producers.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: When I just started putting the ghost.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: But originally, honestly, I wasn't even gonna show you guys
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: any going and all.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that would have been a disaster.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: And you and you totally get that feeling because you
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: get all of these awesome ghosts setups.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Right, and then you're just like, nah, we're moving on now, and.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: You're like but but then you're like go but then
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: you're like, okay, now my attention is on this other thing. Fine,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: But like one of my favorites was the was the
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: head was I'm guessing it was the ghost of almost
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: with the head falling backwards.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Oh that was okay because.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: It because he had hung himself in prison, so I
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: thought that's who it was.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: Is that Is there any way you can explain how
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: you was that all CG or what?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Because that was fun?
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: No, No, it was actually it was actually done on camera.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: So so yeah, well we did have to to to
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: you know, it's like it's it's all you know.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: So so that's that the head is a prop head,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: it's not a real head. No.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: So basically we have a we have a person dressed
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: up right, and then we he's wearing a mask, like
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: a green mask, so we can actually like edited out
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: in post and what happens is like we created at
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: it's like a fake hat and a.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Really long shirt.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: To what he does is if he actually put his
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: head down and we put the fake head on top
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: of it. So as he gets up, all he had
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: to do is just basically flip his hat backwards and
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: you see the fake head will fall over, but on
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: the computer, what we do is we just raise you know,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: his real head, so you don't see it.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: But it's as.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Practical as practical gets.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: That's what which it looks sues you one hundred extra
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: director points from us, because the one thing that we
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: will talk about for until we're blue in the face
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: is practical effects because we love it. So that's that's
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: even cooler because I was like, oh, okay, that that
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: was just a super imposed thing. But to hear that,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: it's it's so okay.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Going on to that. How much of the effects that
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: you do?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously there are very computer generated stuff because
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: you have to, but how much of it that you
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: did it was practical? And how much more did you
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: want to be practical?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: I actually wanted to, you know, like if we had
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: a larger budget, I would have used one hundred percent
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: practical effects because I'm you know, like Nolan. Nolan hates
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: CGI and so do I hategg I as well. But
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: it's just like with practical effects, you know, the makeup,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: it's just not there.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: To me? Is that again?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: Ghost has to be you know, My rule anyway is
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: that ghost has to be something that is not physical, right,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: It's like you can't touch it.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Like the moment I can touch the girls, I'm like, yeah,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not the longest gare. You can kill me.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: I don't care, but it doesn't scare me anymore. So
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: I wanted to have that glow sort of thing. I
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: had to resort back to to to to CGI. But
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: it's not necessarily CGI. So what we did on what's
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: all the ghost you guys seen, those are all real people.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: Those are all real actors dressed up, you know, in
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: costume or whatnot. And what we do is that in
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: the post we would then add the digit highs effects
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: to it.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: So you know, so for.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: Example, that goes to the basement or you know, any
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: of that goes of you guys see the actors were there, okay,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: and he does all his movement and all that and
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: and pose.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: What we do is we add the.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: Additional digitized effects to basically make his you know, make
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: his physical form not that visible. So in other words,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: is that we we don't necessarily didn't use CGI to
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: enhance the image, but we used the CGI to hide
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: the image or we superimpose it on top of the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: actors themselves, you know. So, so that is what we
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: ultimately did.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: But the majority of everything else you see, it is
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: all just.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: Practical effects, but with CGIs or digitized effects that we
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: at afterwards.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: So that's what we did with the Ghost.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I love that.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that because it sounds like the complete
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: opposite way that it should happen, right, yeah, but the
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: way you did it just worked out so well, and
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: it's like, all right, well why.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: Not, thank you guys, thank you? Yeah.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's that, you know, Like in the sequel,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: like I said this, I am thinking of different ways
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: to scare people, different goss and whatnot.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: To scare people.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: And I think that there's a certain scene that I'm
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 5: like drawn, I'm like jonesing to shoot.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: There's one sequin that I just created in my head
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: and my man, if I really show that this is
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: going to be crazy, This is crazy terrifying, and I
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: cannot I can't reveal it yet, but I cannot wait
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: to put in my next movie. It should be, you know,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: an uninterrupted five minute, five or six minute sequin that
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: it's think, after you're done, you should you should be
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: shooting your pants but ivanvestic a lot of that that
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: that I'm shooting for.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, one last question about your next
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: future you know, followed things, are they going to be
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: found footage?
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Are they going to be you know.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: And and additionally, are you hoping for more theatrical release
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: or are you going to put more effort into the
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: production and possibly put it out as like streaming only
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: or video on demand type of thing.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: So, so.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: You know, like the movies that I that that I'm
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: going to direct, like I obviously I want them all
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: to be theatrical. It's just like, you know, the filmmaker
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: and me, just like there's that sort of experience that
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: you can only get bye bye, you know by going
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: to a movie theaters. Right, It's just like that communal
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: experience that I.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: I definitely want to happen.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: On the same token, is that Followed is the sort
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: of digital sort of movie in a sense, I think
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: it's more effective you're watching on.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: The computer, you know, in the dark room.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: On the computer screen just makes something more real. So
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: I see the drawl in that. So I am honestly
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure whether the sequel should be found footage
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: or not. Right, But if it is not, there has
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 5: to be a reason why it's not. But if it is,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: there got to be a reason why it is. And
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: I guess right now is to a work in progress
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: because I'm still juggling between those two acts, like you know,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: whether should I make it found footage or should I
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: not make it found footage or do a combination of.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: The two, but do it right?
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 5: So that is a huge question that I honestly don't
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: have an answer.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: To it yet.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: No, but but you did though you did though, because
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: like you just said, if there, if it is found footage,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: you need to explain why.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: And if it's not, then you still need to explain why.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: So that's that's a that's a perfect answer because if
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: you decide to pick it up and not do it
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: found footage, you're gonna explain why. But if you if
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: you pick it up and do it found footage, there
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: will still be a reason. So that's the best answer
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: you could have ever given, because you still think you're
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: still looking to say, okay, like, no matter what I do,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: there has to be some sort of answer to why
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: I picked it up this way because the first one,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: you know, and that's the thing, like when you do
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: a found footage movie and then you pick another movie up,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: you do have to explain hey, like cause I've seen
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: movies where they do found footage and then the sequel
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: they don't. And I'm like, uh, but like, why didn't
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: you actually explain it?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: But it also sounds like you already have the explanation
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: for both You're just trying to figure out which one
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: you like better exactly exactly, because that's what I hear.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: I hear. What I hear is I have two complete
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: stories ready. I just got to figure out which one
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: I like more right now and hash that out, Yeah.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: Right right?
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, like which one that I think that it
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: would be a better I guess cinematic experience, you know,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: like which one would be scarier, which one would be
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: more my style? Like you know, so obviously with you know,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: and and I actually was so so so after I
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: watched hell House, where this is I have to follow
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: and everything else. I watch Hellhouse, I love how the
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 5: first one. I love hell House and I and I
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: connected with Stephen Cochnati, the director of that, so we
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: talked for watch and he liked my movie a lot
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: as well, So you know, and I think that the
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: you know, he's fantastic as a director for found footage.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: You know, one idea that I might have is that
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: I might bring him on board to direct, you know,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: the sequels have followed if it is a found footage.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing, if you just wonderful, if.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: You do that, I can there will literally be no
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: movie that I can watch after that, because that is
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: that is now literally everything.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: I want, and then my life can be done.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: It's over, thank you.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's an incredible you know, he's a skilled
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: uh uh uh director when it comes down to you know,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: found foot just the way that he did with the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: first Hell House and that is just is absolutely amazing.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: I would love to bring him on board maybe to
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: help the sequel.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: To follow, you know, or even like like you know,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: a size story to follow to whatnot.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: You know, he has the time.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: But yeah, like it's that's something that you know that
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: That's one idea that I would toy with.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: And then the other idea is that if I, you know,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: if I.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: Could somehow combine the two genre found footage in the
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: traditional and actually have it makes sense and not you know,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: not I guess betrayed the trust of the found footage
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: trans you know, uh uh, then I would actually you know,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 5: jump on board the director and trying to do both ways.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: So like I said, I don't know yet. Hopefully I'll
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: figure it out.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: But I know we were talking earlier and you said
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: you you thought you did a lot of tropes with
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: found footage, but like you know, hear me and Corey
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: are are just like, yeah, you might have done a
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: lot of tropes. But at the same time, like like
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: I said, me and me and this is this is
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: our favorite genre, and you know, I will cling to
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: this movie because it is just so much fun. It's
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: very real, and it also brings a little bit of
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: uh I'll call it razzle dazzle because like I've never
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: I've never seen this aspect in a found footage movie,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: the whole vlogger style. Like I've seen grave Encounters where
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: they kind of mimic like ghost Counters and stuff like that.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: And I've seen plenty of found footage movies where they
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: take from other things.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: And it's like a TV show or something.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the whole the whole vlogger thing where he
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: kind of makes it real and like introduces his wife
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: and then you know, the whole thing where spoiler alert,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: you know, they're like, oh, they have a baby, and
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: then they kind of it's it makes it real to
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: the point where I like engaged with the characters a lot,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: and to.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: The fact that you know, twenty minutes into the movie,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: the haunted guy dropped the mic.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, ghos aren't real. What the hell are you
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: talking about? And get out of here? But like, none
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: of this is real.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: And that's the trope I love because a lot of
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: tropes and even just horror movies are like the guy
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: that's like, yeah, fuck ghosts, I don't believe in ghosts,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: and here drop the mic is like yeah, it's oogie
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: boogie shit, and you're like, okay, but like you should
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: probably you might want to believe in some of this
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: because it might happen to you later.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, just just saying.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: Which roots it that much more in that reality of Okay,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: this is like, this is a guy that's just exploiting people.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: You know, as one of the themes you were talking about,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: so you can clearly see, oh, you are exploiting this,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: which is that makes you I hate this character, but
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: I love to hate this character.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm not I'm not a fan of him,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: but I'm also a fan of him at the same time.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: Like so.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: That's that's funny because that's actually the idea that we
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: were going for. When you know, when I watch uh,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: you know, uh the blogs of Jake Paul and Logan Paul,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 5: I was like, God, these guys are so annoying, but
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: I find myself like, just click on his next video.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck am I watching his next video?
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: Millions millions of views and you're like, hell, exactly right.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: And I'm pretty sure has millions of followers. They don't
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: necessarily like.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: Him in their life, but it's just there's just.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 5: Something about, you know, about that and they just wanted
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 5: to watch it.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: It's for entertainment, right, no matter what.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: And that's what That's what drew me into this movie,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: is like, you know, you've got this guy that's kind
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 3: of a dorky guy doing like haunted things. And I
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: was like, Okay, Like if I had a vlog, this
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: is what I'd be doing. I'd be doing like haunted things,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: like oh, check out this bridge that people have jumped
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: off of. Be like, oh, let me do all Halloween Haunt,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: like that stuff I would do if I was a vlogger.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: So I related to it on like a weird level
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: of like, yeah, this is shit I would do.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: I could say I could see myself getting into this
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: exact situation.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: I would go here on Halloween and just check all
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: this shit out and film stuff against the hotel's will
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: because they said I couldn't, but I'm gonna be there
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: filming anyways on my GoPro or whatever. So I related
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: to it on this this weird level of like, yes,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: I would do this if circumstances permitted. It's it's such
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: a bizarre thing to relate on, but like, I really
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: love this movie. And you know what, Corey, what did
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: you give this on Letterbox?
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: I think I gave it a four? Yeah, same, I
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: think I gave it a four.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: I gave it a food Oh that's awesome for shit.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: And again and again, this is not just us being like, oh,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: like sucking up to you, Like no, we This is
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: why we reached out to you because like, we really
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: love this movie and the fact that you were so
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: just like like you were in the Found Footage group,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: we were like, hey, let's talk because we love this movie.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: It's it's so much fun. And I know there was
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: there was a couple of people on the group that
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: were like, oh, well, it shouldn't have like, you know,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: music in the background.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: But you know what, and I was always the first
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: one to jump in and be like, yo, it wasn't. Thematically,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: if you look at it this way, it makes total sense.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: Like go watch these YouTube videos and people would be like, yo, okay,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: that makes sense.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: But like because he's a blogger, so like, yeah, it
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: kind of makes sense to have that score slash music
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: in the background. So like that's the Honestly, this is
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: like one of the few times like I will quote
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: unquote let it.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: Slide, yeah, because because it works. It's on theme.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it might not make sense for a found footage
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: POV movie to have like a score in the background,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: but like.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: But it does at the same time.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: But it's also it's also not necessarily your your run
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: of the mill found footage movie either.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: You You're you're.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: Mashing up a few genres together into it and and
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: presenting it to us in this way where it's like,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: all right, it it works and.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: It's everything about it.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: It's also because I've seen found footage movies where they
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: try to throw a backtrack in there, and I'm like,
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: this is not working.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: This this works so well. The fact that.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: When someone commented on one of your posts and the
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: Found Footage group, they were like, why is there a backtrack?
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: And I had I had to literally go back and
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: rewatch this movie and I was like, oh shit, there
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: is like something like.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: It's such a minor backing track that if you're if
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: you're actually paying attention to the movie, it just disappears
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: into nothing exactly.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: If you're watching the movie and getting invested in the movie,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: it like it's not very apparent, and then you go
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: rewatch it and you're like, oh, yeah, that is there,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: but like it doesn't take away like at all, not
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: at all, And.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, thank you good for saying that, because that's actually
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: part of my thing too, because yes, although there are
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: certain sequences like when you're watching THO vlogs there's music,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: there's also backtrack, but then there are other scenes.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, the music shouldn't be there, there's
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: no music.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: There, But then I decided to just stick with it.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: Is because just exactly what you just said, which is
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: when you watch a movie right, It's like the the the.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: Important part is whether or not you're sucked into the movie.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 5: So if you are immersed in the movie, then the
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 5: soundtrack just enhance it. You know, you shouldn't be asking
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: yourself like, hey, is there a track in the back right,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 5: So in that moment, like after you watch the movie,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 5: you can go back and rip it apart and say, hey,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: this one should not have any soundtrack. And you're absolutely right,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 5: But that's not what I would pay attention to. I
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: actually my point is to make it so that even
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 5: when you watch it the first time, you shouldn't have to,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: you know, to let that distract you.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: And I know that a few people still do.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 5: But my point is that you know, you guys should
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: watch it and be immersed in it, because that is
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 5: the end game for me is to have you have
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: that experience.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: And I want you to have that experience within that
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: hour and a half. And now that I don't have,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: you can break it apart if you want to.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: But if I can't you attention with an hour and
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 5: a half, then I've done my job. And that's what
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: I wanted to do. But that's always been that's something
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: I put in the in the plane in the first place,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 5: and I knew there was going to be backlash.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: I knew it.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, but if people will probably hate
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 5: me for this, but oh wow, you know, I only
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 5: I only want them to enjoy my.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Movie for the next hour and a half and that's why.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: But here we but here we are Found Footage fans
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: and we're like, yeah, like I didn't even go ahead
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: and do it.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: More, It's fine.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't even realize it the first seriously, I did
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: not even realize it. And then someone pointed it out
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: in the Found Footage group, like what does this have
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: a backtrack? And I'm like, okay, let me go rewatch
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, yeah it does. But like
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: at the same time, at the same time, like it
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: works because you have some guy on YouTube who always
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: has backing to his like you know, his little short videos.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: But then it kind of just flows throughout the rest
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: of the movie, and like if you're a if you're
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: a fan like me, like I can look past the
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: fact like yeah, technically Found Footage shouldn't have that or POV,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: but it still works, and it's very convincing in the
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: fact that like it adds to the ambiance of the
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: entire movie, So I can look past the fact that, oh,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: found footage shouldn't have that, but it's still it's still
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: good enough for me to be like, yeah, I'm I'm
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: in it.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking in it.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 4: And on the subject, on the subject of the music,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: how much, uh how much? How how involved were you
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 4: with either the like was it all original music that
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 4: got produced for it, or did you kind of delve
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: into you know, some royalty free banks to get some
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: of these sets or just how did that go?
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the process for adding the like the
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: backtracking to the music or to the movie?
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 5: So yeah, so so all of that is well, the
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 5: majority of nine, I would say ninety percent of the
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 5: music or original creation are brilliant composer, which you know
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 5: I worked very closely with.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: For for for for followed.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: So we did use we did use stock music that
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 5: we have to pay for, you know, stock music that
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 5: you know, anyone can literally pay for using a pun five.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 5: But those music are exclusively used, uh in the beginning
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: during the block sequences. So when this is before all
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 5: of that, bad things happened. The uh yes, the YouTube
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 5: the YouTube's son like the bridge and all of that. Well,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 5: you know that's stall like I want to jump off
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 5: the bridge, that's actually our original creation. But any other
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: music like the like the the fake Halloween theme and
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: like all those cheesy soundbites.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: All of those we used stock music on purpose, is
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: because we think about it, you know, with the theme,
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: right like if this guy.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 5: Was real, if this drop the mic was real, Like,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 5: he's not going to have access to a true composer.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 5: So what he's going to do is that he's going
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 5: to be hiring or he's going to be going up
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: those sites actually pick up you know, royalty feme music
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 5: of music that he can actually purchase a track up
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 5: and play for his blocks. So yes, those are the
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 5: pieces that we actually did purchase in real life to
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 5: put it into our movie. But those are you know,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: we pretend that those are our the ones that drop
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 5: the mic and roll I would use. But every other piece,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 5: like the background music, the noises that I created, you know,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 5: all of those as I work very closely with the composer,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 5: and I told him that like here's a sound that
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: I wanted, you know, I want it to be very
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 5: low based, you know, very like menacing in a sense,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: and our composer. He's he's brilliant. I'm definitely love working
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 5: with him again in the next project. But he's yeah,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 5: he came up with a lot of the pieces on
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 5: his own by just getting the emotion that he.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: Feels and all that.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I would say ninety are written the five
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 5: percent and basically purchased tracks for the flocks.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: That's pretty amazing because like I know, the you know,
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: the sounds for the blogs were cheesy, but like I
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: did like them because I was like, you know, he
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: would like fling the axe back and.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: It like yeah, like, yeah, it was cheesy.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: But like I like that because like that rings true
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: to actual vloggers doing silly noises. So the fact that
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: you kind of pulled those from whatever use them, but
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: then you actually made your God, the more I talk
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: to you, the more I like this movie because like
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: I'm getting all this insider knowledge and I can't wait
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: for all of our listeners to hear this and and
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: you know, if they haven't watched this movie, please go rent.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: It, Like seriously, it's go buy it. Go buy it.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: At this point, like because I've rented it twice, which
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 3: I could have just fucking bought it, and I probably
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 3: still will buy it because like, I really do love
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: watching this movie, and you know, it's funny. I've watched
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: this three times. I have not shown this to my
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: wife yet, and I know she will fucking love this movie.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: She will get out of her yeah, because there's.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: Make sure you're watch in the dark room.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: And that's what I did last night because the first
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: time I watched it, it was just on my TV.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: It was daytime whatever.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 3: But then I watched it last night, I turned all
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: the lights off, I cranked my surround sound, and like
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: I told you earlier, I had to get up and
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: like turn like a back light on in another room
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: Like I'm safe. It's fine, everything okay.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 3: So yeah, when I show my wife this movie, I'm
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: gonna turn all the lights off and crank it.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: And I know because she says she's pretty skittish, so
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: I know, so like, I know she'll love this movie.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 4: And the first time I watched it, I'm watching it
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 4: at work with headphones on, so I'm sitting behind the
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: counter and like a customer would come in, the belt
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: would go off and.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: Go, oh, it's it's like your movie doesn't have I
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: think it maybe has like three four jump scares in
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: like an hour and like thirty eight minutes. But like, yeah,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: I'm like sitting there, like I'm waiting, like, okay, specifically
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: this scene, let me let me, let me throw a
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: scene to you, the scene where Mike is in the
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: elevator and he gets after he does the elevator game
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: and he gets to the fifth floor.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: And he goes out and looks and looks.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting there waiting for a fucking jump scared, and
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, it's gonna happen any second,
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: and nothing can happen.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 4: And then you get that slight false one with the
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: maintenance man.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like, so you.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 4: Get that little bit of a preview, You're like, okay,
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: and then he gets back in the elevator and then
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 4: Megan Kim is there and.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh yeah, he's like, see, I told you
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: nothing was happening, and then yeah, you see like Kim,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: You're like, and then the lights went off and you're like,
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: oh my god, Like my fucking my psyche was messed up.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: After this movie, I was like I don't even know
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: how to be a person anymore, because there's somebody like
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: fake jump scares and fake things happening, and then you
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: get like that one like ghostly image, and you're like, yeah,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: I need I needed to go to bed.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: I need I need to try and sleep.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean and and and I can tell you
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 7: guys that you know, part of the reason is obviously
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 7: not to plug my movie, but like part of the
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 7: reasons that you might want to own it rather rent
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 7: it is because when the sequel is out maybe two
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 7: three years some who knows, right, I can bet you
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 7: anything that the way that I'm making that at least
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 7: you know, if the story is how I'm doing it
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 7: right now, is that you definitely wanted to.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: Go back into this movie and you'd be like, oh,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 5: I get it now, Why is this the case? Because
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 5: everything that we filmed was there for a reason that
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 5: uh in the sequel that I hopefully to address, you know,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 5: in a sense so you can watch about it's like, oh,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 5: I understand why they wanted the glitches happen, I understand
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 5: why they clitch here.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Well way why this happened does not happened to that.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 4: So on that subject, do you if you had it
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 4: your way, let's say, would there be physical media copies
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 4: or like or.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: Like, oh dude, I will buy this.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's our our our our distributor is planning a
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 5: Blu ray uh DVD release or whatnot thinkings in January.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we haven't announced it yet, but yeah, but
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: they are.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: Oh please let me know.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 3: I will seriously buy like a few copies of those
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: to hand out to my friends.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding. I will buy like three or
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: more copies.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: Here, take this, take this, watch it love its.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you. Yeah. So I mean it's
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: it's it's. Oh.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 5: And one thing that I know you guys mentioned this before,
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 5: but I didn't get a chance to tell you, uh,
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 5: you know what, whether there are or you know, there
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 5: any real life hauntings that happened on set. The answer
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 5: is yes, there's multiple as well.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: Which hopefully I will include those in the you know,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes stuff as well.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you, guys this one thing, and I have
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 5: it on tape.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: I would release it, but it's super scary.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: Although if you if you watch it, you probably don't
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 5: understand what it is, but if you know the background.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: So it is crazy.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 5: So the scene that I remember, the scene where Mike
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 5: gets put in the drone inside the door in the
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 5: basement and beginning. Yeah, so in that scene when we're
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 5: on set, right when he put the drone in, he asked,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 5: he says a line.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: He said, it's okay, little baby. You know, he calls
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: the drone little baby. So it's okay, little baby as
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: he put the drones in. Okay, So that's what we
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: filmed on set.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 5: So when we were editing it, I kid you not
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 5: when he says it's okay, little baby right there, so
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: it's okay, little baby. You hear a baby crying as
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: loud as possible. Now, why that's scary is because what
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 5: the fuck did the sound come from?
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 5: Because when we filmed that shot, there were about twenty
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 5: people on set. Okay, there were the sound guy, mes
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 5: Brector and all of that. I have my headphones on
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 5: so I can pick up all the sounds. The baby
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 5: was crying very loudly, as if you know, I'm talking
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 5: to you right now, as loud as possible. So if
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 5: there was an actual baby on set somewhere of the
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 5: boys picked you know, or is the sound picked it up?
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: Why didn't any of us on set hear it?
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 5: Like? Literally, you could hear the baby as if the
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 5: baby was sitting right next to Mike, right, So we
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 5: have that, we can we were we were released later
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 5: and you know, most people probably don't believe it because
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 5: it's so ridiculous how he said, it's okay, little baby,
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 5: the baby cries.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: There's a baby cry? Who where where's the baby?
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: You actually have that?
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: You actually have that? Like on recording?
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, on recording, I have that. We have that. We
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: don't put it into the scene.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 5: The thing is that most people were probably the saying
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 5: that we doctor of the image. We we put into
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 5: the sound because it's easy as putting the baby noise
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 5: to it, right, But here's reality of it.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: There is no baby, no baby whatsoever. And we put
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: it into the sound.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 5: We tried to were tried to find out where the
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 5: source comes from, you know, from the audio perspective where
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 5: the microphone picks it up, and it basically picks up
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 5: you know, the We figured out that the baby noise
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 5: were picked up by the main mic, but the main microphone,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 5: which was it was the microphone that was directed right
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 5: at you know, Matthew Salomon, the actor. So in other words,
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 5: whatever he sets it would pick up on that direction, right,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 5: So that means the baby had to be in that direction,
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 5: be next to him crying in order for the sound
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 5: to pick up. But why is it that there was
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 5: no baby? Nobody on set hurt anything me included in
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 5: the sound in pluted. Nobody heard anything until we addit it.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 5: So we have that clip. It's like, you know, Matt
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 5: and I, you know, the matter producer, We occasionally would
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 5: actually go back and watch it and actually get scare
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 5: ourselves stilly because we're like, hell, the fuck is about right?
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: And that's just one There's other stuff.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 5: That happened on set as well, even during and after
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 5: the movie that was crazy, including the glitchy effect. You know,
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 5: one thing, right, So one day I actually visited my
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 5: friend who was a security guard at like a school
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 5: or whatnot, and I had on my backpack, you know,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 5: some of the hard drive were followed because I was
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 5: just off upset and I just came by and visited
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 5: him talking about something.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: He's a security guard, and there was nobody in the building.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 5: And when I got there, I kid you not, we
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 5: were talking about and he talked about my movie, and
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 5: I was telling about the filming and I was starting
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 5: I actually started to make fun of Goes and he
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 5: asked me why I believe in it when I filmed
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 5: him like, no, I've never seen it Goes before, you know,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 5: so I don't believe it. They probably just figment of
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 5: your imagination. I kid you now, because I don't have
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 5: on tape, but I have a witness. After I sat
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 5: that his monitors right, there's like about a dozen monitors
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 5: because he's a security guard. They all start glitching and
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 5: they are turned off exactly like how I found for
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 5: this movie.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: Like this, and that they alterned off.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 5: Just remember just the freaking monitor, right, and then the
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 5: lights start to click and again I asked my friends like, Hey,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 5: what's going on here?
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: And he's like, dude, what the fuck?
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 5: I think you did something because there's you know, things
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 5: that's never happened before. And he then I got scared.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 5: So we walked out of the building. And when we
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 5: walked out of the building, I heard a roar as
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 5: if there was a dog. There's not a dog, but
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 5: it's like I can't really describe it, as like a
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 5: really loud roar right next to me, and I thought
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 5: it was like, you know, a stray dog or whatnot.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 5: There was no dog around. There was nobody around for like,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 5: you know, a mile away, because we're in the middle
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 5: of no way, So where did the sound come from?
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 5: So those are the things that happened during and after
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 5: the movie that I don't have an explanation for.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: You are more of a man than I am, because
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: because the first incident of any kind of paranormal anything,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, well, we lost that money.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: That move on, let's go not doing this no more.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: He We're gonna move this way.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, now we're not shooting in this basement anymore. That's done.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 4: We'll just recut the movie or you know what, don't
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 4: want to do the movie anymore.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 5: The basement there is actually real life haunted like when
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: we actually did the location scouting. Uh So we get
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 5: to this hotel and we basically wanted to shoot in
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 5: the hotel basement, and the hotel manager said, okay, that's fine,
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 5: and that he gave us one of the security guard
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 5: to walk us down. So it's the security guy walked
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 5: us down to the basement. He opens the door. He's like, okay, guys,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 5: I go ahead, and you know, go walk the satin
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 5: you know, view it. So we were telling him like, hey,
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 5: are you gonna walk us through? He's like, no, I
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 5: know this walking place. I've been here for seven years.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 5: We should happening here. This place is haunted for real.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 5: This roa Joe, I'm not going in and this is
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 5: the security guard. So we So that's why when we
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 5: were filming the last basement scene, you know, for the
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 5: I guess the safety of our actors, I actually at
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 5: about five or six extras to to just stay in
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 5: the basement, you know, with other people, to make sure
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 5: that again, you know, I always have the feeling that hey,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 5: if there's a lot of people, goes by one seconds.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: So I actually had them there not to.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 5: You know, have the there's that the actors can actually
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 5: feel safe when you go down because that place was
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 5: actually haunted for it.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: Just because of the fact of you know, hey, if
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: there's eight people down here, we will get right if it's.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: Like strengthen numbers, strength and numbers, right. So yeah, so
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: those are all real thes like it's uh.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 5: The elevator seeques that I filmed, you know, one of
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 5: the light flickering, it's actually that was also unplanned.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: Well, you know when we did when it was unplanned.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 5: That the light flickering the second life flickering that was planned.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: The first one it was unplanned.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: So it was literally we're like, like, what the fuck?
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: So so Mike's reaction to the first one was a
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: jet is real?
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 5: Like not only that we you know, I you know, so,
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 5: so where I'm at is that because the way the
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 5: camera is shot, I'm actually beneath it. I'm actually sitting
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 5: down on the elevator right to direct him. So at
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 5: that time when he actually looked up, I looked up
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 5: to I was like, what the fuck.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: I even said it loud enough that you know, in
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: the post, we actually have to remove my voice because.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, because see what he did is like what
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 5: the fuck is like it's it's so funny because I
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 5: was like, holy shit, we didn't plan that. Uh Fred
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 5: the head you know, like the head shaking and it dropped,
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 5: you know, when they were sleeping, But it was also
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 5: not planned. That was just yeah, that was not planned,
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 5: and Mike just uh, Matt, they he just played off
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 5: of it. So originally we actually had a different like,
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 5: you know, further head wouldn' drop, it would actually shake whatever.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: Throughout throughout the night, I was the that was.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 5: That was what it was on script, so it wasn't
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 5: supposed to fall, but for some reason it actually fell.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 5: And the weird thing is that that Fretta head that
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 5: was there for the past couple of days were setting
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 5: up the set and there's you know, like there's no
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 5: earthquake or anything like that, so there's no way in
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 5: how it would fall.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: It would have fallen, but it did. And you know, Matt,
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: being such a good actor he is, he actually implified
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: by saying, oh, Fred, the head fell.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 5: But you know, and you see that if you recall
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 5: the reaction of Sam, which just sleeping next to it.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: She also looked up like guys, what is that? Those
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: are all real? Because it was not planned at all.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: It was crazy wow, So.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 5: Those are all you know. So there's a lot of
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 5: real ship that we just kept in the movie because
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 5: we thought it was cool.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was plan.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 4: This is Exorcist levels of like lore going into this
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 4: because you hear about The Exorcist being the most cursed
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 4: movie ever, but from from what I'm hearing, like you're
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 4: you're definitely in the running.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but it was all it was. It was
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 5: a lot of them are are, you know, so that's
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 5: when we would we do when we release the DVD,
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 5: I probably would include especially the baby planets, that is,
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 5: because that is you know, I would love for someone
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 5: to come up with a reasonable explanation, like some sort
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 5: of scientists, well what not to find out why, because
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 5: I am myself still flabbergasted by that, and I want
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 5: to know why.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like you can blame everything.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 5: Else, like you know, the monitors of the security god
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 5: like start to go obby. It could be coincidence, the
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 5: roar whatever that I heard could be from a dog
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 5: or whatever that you know, or whatever it is. I
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 5: couldn't explain it either, but at least it was like there.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 5: It could have been my mind leaning tricks on me.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 5: Who knows, but the baby I have it on tape.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 5: I have it on tape, and I don't have an
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 5: explanation that that kills men.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: I want to know why.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: That's crazy because yeah, I mean, recording wise, if no
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: one hears it and then all of a sudden you
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: pick it up on your recording, that's pretty insane because
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: your audio recordings are picking up something there that nobody heard.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, that's basically just it's just ev.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 5: Right well and and and it's not like something that
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 5: we actually had to turn it up to hear it,
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 5: you know. So that's like if if the sound if
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 5: microphone picked up a sound from not the room or whatnot,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 5: you usually would actually have to turn it all the
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 5: way up to hear it. No, this is actually the
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 5: voice is on the same volume level as dropped the
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 5: MIC's voice at that time, so then you know it
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 5: is from his directional mic.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: So then where the hell was the baby?
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 5: You know, like, why is it that no one onset
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 5: hurt anything and that was right there was directed to
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 5: the scene and then listened to it didn't hear anything.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 5: And why is it that you know, it only appears
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 5: when we edited, which is you know it was.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: It's it's still great. It's still baffles my money.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: That's pretty uh.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: But I mean you shot in you know that was
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: the basement, right, you said it was a haunted part
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 3: of the correct So was there any particular aspect of
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: you know, because like you you you did use real
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: life events, so you know Elise Lamb, who was you know,
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: Megan Kim in the movie other things? Do you think
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: maybe that could have contributed to the craziness you've got
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: on set.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 5: I mean maybe you know, honestly, you know, Okay, so
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 5: this is now Now I'm going over.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: To the.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 5: You know, like basically to the supernatural stuff. But and
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 5: you know, believing that this is actually all real. So
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 5: after I've made the movie and everything else, we get
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 5: to the film festival and this was back in twenty nineteen,
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 5: where you know, like I basically you know, this was
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 5: the moment that we already decided we're going to turn
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 5: down all all of the other distributor you know, distribution
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 5: deals that we got because you know, we wanted to
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 5: take the risks. We wanted to go you know, go
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 5: theatri because we want took the risk. And because we
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 5: took the risk, we got scared. We're like, gosh, shit,
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 5: what happened if it was the wrong risk? What happened
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 5: if nobody wants to put it on in theaters? Like,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 5: we will be screwed, right or we would actually have
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 5: to go back to an old distributor now that backup
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 5: to reoffer him to us.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: So we were scared.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 5: So anyway, so I went to a French birthday party,
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 5: you know, and it was held that a friend I
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 5: mean of his friend's aunt, which, you know, these people
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 5: I've never met before, and none of them even knew
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 5: who I.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: Was at all.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 5: So anyway, so I came into the house and all
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 5: that the birthday, and you know, we just talked talk talk,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 5: talk talk, and then.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: The lady, one of the aunt, one of the aunt there,
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: you know, looks at me and says like, hey, you know,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: I think you're going to be successful. I'm like, thank you.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I was just making sure.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 5: I was like, well, I must must be pretty good looking,
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 5: you know. So she's like, no, I think you are.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 5: There's an energy. I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 5: And then she started talking about things like did she
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 5: recently make a movie?
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how the fuck?
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 5: You know? I thought I thought my friend was playing
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 5: a joke on me, right, I'm like, ah, so, you know,
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 5: because his name is Beer, Shabert told you.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: And she's like, who's Beer?
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 5: So apparently she doesn't even know my friend because she's
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 5: he's in sees an aunt of his friend. Right, So apparently,
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 5: so it turns out that she is a psychic, that
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 5: she's she one of the you know, she's a person
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 5: that actually has seen ghosts, before and everything else. So
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 5: she basically just you know, and this is the first
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 5: time she met me.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: She's like, are you doing a movie about the hotel
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: Cecil Right?
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I swear I got the whole time, and
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 5: even up to today, I still think my hand my
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 5: friend had a part in it. But then again, I
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 5: still can't figure out why because they're not connected.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: But she was. She knew about it before I even
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: told her about.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: It, so she so this almost plays true to the
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: movie where they're like, I think my fans are fucking
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: with us, like is.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: So so it's kind of strength that she actually mentioned it.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 5: But the thing though that she actually mentioned is that
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 5: she's like, hey, well you know, and she started telling
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 5: me about her life story that she actually has the
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 5: gift of seeing dead people, which again, you know, again
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 5: I who knows what she's telling the truth.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: Gifting heavy quotations.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, I'm not saying she's lying, but you know,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: I've also never seen people, so I don't know, but continue.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then she told me so she she told
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 5: me she's like, it's based on Alisa Lamb, isn't it.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 5: I'm like, it's not basic only but yes, how do
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 5: you know? So I started talking and then she's like,
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 5: you know, and then I started because I wonder about
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 5: that event myself.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: I'm like, so.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 5: Knowing you know, so what you know is that what
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 5: happened to Alisa Lamb? And now she says like, look,
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 5: it's not you know, it's not my place to speak
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 5: about her death. I do know what happened to her exactly.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 5: I do know that there are one then more that
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 5: more than one person involved in her death. And I
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 5: also do know that is not just medical. A lot
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 5: of it is actually supernatural. But I can't tell you
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 5: because again it's not it's not something that Again, if
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 5: the ghost doesn't tell you herself, you're not allowed.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to know. Let's just bring a curse
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: to you. You know.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 5: Again, she might she might have just you know, make
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 5: the shit up to scare me, but then why right anyway,
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 5: So there's there was one thing that she said that
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 5: I you know, now I believe her.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: Before I didn't, but then she actually said that.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 5: She said, well, here's the thing, Anteline, if you're going
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 5: to make this movie, that if your idea behind us
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 5: release this movie is to make a lot of money
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 5: then don't do it, because it will you will be
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 5: cursed in a sense, like you know, this would actually
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 5: bring bad luck to you. But if you do it,
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 5: you know, but if you release it, but then your
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 5: idea is that you may bring attention to it. You
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 5: just want to make an entertaining piece of movie or whatever.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: You pay it to.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 5: You know, you pay respect to deb and that you
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 5: promised to be a good person in real life and
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 5: use the money that you make whatever to you know,
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 5: do good in society. Then it's okay, you have her blessing.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 5: I'm like, who's blessing. She's like, at least I'll have
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 5: a blessing. So I was just moiling in my face.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, well, I guess I'm looking forward to that.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 5: And she's like, yeah, well you'll see the success will
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 5: come and you'll see that you get to the number
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 5: one box office. And remember this was two years before
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty, and I just laughed, like, okay, she's full
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 5: of shit, right, So that's exactly what I said that
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 5: I said, of course twenty nineteen pass, nothing happens. I'm like, yep,
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 5: she just willa shit And guess what the pandemic, and
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 5: I now get the I actually did get the number
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 5: one box office for two weeks. Now it actually goes
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 5: back into that day. And then I talked to my
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 5: friends like, hey, are you still in touch with him?
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 5: And he's like, no, she she lives a different.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: State and whatnot.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 5: But then I'm like, holy shit, whatever she told me
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 5: actually did come true two years later.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: But it did. How is it possible?
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 5: Or maybe it could have again, it could have been
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 5: a coincident, you know, But anyway, those are the stories behind,
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 5: you know, surrounding and Followed and all that, which up
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 5: to this day is the kind of baffles me.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 4: This is a now fantastic Now I need a documentary
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 4: about the events that transpired through the making of follow.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: Not enough yet.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 5: Maybe when we do the sequel there, hopefully more shit happens,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 5: we can actually put it together and making the documentary.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 3: Let me get it behind the scenes of all this,
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 3: because this is this is fascinating. This is why we
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 3: like having people you know, like you on the on
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 3: the show, because they give us this crazy insight to
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 3: behind the scenes of what it takes to make a
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: movie and all the crazy shit you guys go through
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: and it is.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: It is fast for me, it's fascinating. It also like it.
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 4: Broadens my appreciation of not only just this film in general,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 4: but like the process that especially because you know you
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 4: said you don't really have a background in it. You
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 4: just kind of jumped into it because hey, why not.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 4: It's something that I'm not super comfortable with, and you
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 4: turn out this gem that is now in all the
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: groups that I frequent you know, it's been brought up
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 4: multiple multiple times. It's starting to show up on like
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 4: some Fountain footage lists across the internet wasteland, so just
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 4: to come out of nowhere, you know, all this stuff
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 4: that you're saying is now ringing true. So it's it's
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 4: a really cool thing and it gives me a broader
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 4: appreciation of what is in front of me.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I can second everything you just said.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 3: I couldn't have said it better myself, but uh yeah,
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 3: like we we just we we really. I I adore
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 3: this film. Every time I watched it, I end up
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: liking it. Like the first time I watched I was like, Okay,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 3: it's good, and then I watched it again, I was like, Okay,
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: I like it more. And then I watched it again
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 3: today and I was like, oh man, this there's there's
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 3: like a lot of layers honestly in this movie like
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 3: that that I kind of picked up on.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this is just so much fun to watch.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 4: And now I have to Now I have to watch
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 4: it in like zero point five time speeds, so now
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 4: I can find all the good damn ghost.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: Now I have homework.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's guys, I mean, and I'm glad you're
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 5: left glad you're saying it.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: Because you know, like if you if you look at
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: our movie online, right, like number one being a.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 5: Found footage film that has found you know, some modern
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 5: uh sorry, modern levels success that invited hate to our films,
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 5: you can see there's a lot of trolls you know
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 5: that just give us one star everywhere.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: Right. It's I even know there's a backstory or that too.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 5: And I can tell you that, you know, a majority
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 5: of the one star reviews on Amdb is done by
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 5: one person, and we kind of know who the person
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 5: is to by the way, Yes, yes we so it's
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 5: like it's it's it's ah. So it's just like you know,
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 5: just hater, right, It's just like there's a lot of
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 5: trolls and all that, but we get it, we understand it.
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: But there are also.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 5: Real you know, there are also real audience that didn't
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 5: connect with it. They didn't like it that they you know,
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 5: that they found Mike annoying or whatnot.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: But all I really, I.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 5: Don't want to just jump on board and basically just
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 5: tell them to do this every time, but oh, but
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 5: always want to do is tell them that, hey, okay,
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 5: you guys get it. I mean I get it. Watch
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 5: it again again, you know, just watch it again. I'm
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 5: sure you'll find appreciation to it the second time now
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 5: that the you know, if the first time didn't vipe
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 5: with you is probably because you know, the the the
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 5: format may have been a little bit jarring, or it
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 5: may have been nussling you expect. But if you were
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 5: to watch it again with a better understanding of it,
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that or at least, you know, I'm
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 5: hopeful that you're going to be more likely to like
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 5: it rather than hate it, you know, now that you.
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: Know what's going on.
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 5: So I'm actually glad that you actually mentioned the same thing,
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 5: which is the second time is better, which was the
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 5: intention I made this movie.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: So that it is.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 5: It's it gets a little bit better the more times
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 5: you watch it.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 4: Well, especially because you the first time you watch it,
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 4: you're kind of like, oh wow, this my character sucks.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 4: But then the second time you kind of get the
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 4: layer of humanity in them. And I remember listening to
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 4: another interview you had done that you had said you
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 4: had kind of picked Matthew before the drop the mic
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 4: character was even really dropped the mica.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit more about that.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: About Mike being more than drop the mic.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you had said that you had picked Matthew
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 4: Solomon as the main character before you had really even
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 4: written Mike.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 5: Right, yes, So, so a lot of the mannerism as uh,
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 5: it brought on by by Matthew, you know, by by
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 5: matt Solomon because we uh, when we started casting, we
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 5: didn't have to script written. We had a general outline
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 5: of the story, but did not have the script written
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 5: because again, you know, Todd a writer, he just like
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 5: me is that he wasn't big into the whole vlogging thing,
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 5: so therefore he needed to know more about the mannerism
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 5: and whatnot. So we actually did watch, like I said,
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 5: a few of those clips like Logan Paul and whatnot.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: But we didn't want to just recreate him. We wanted
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: to bring somebody new.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 5: So when we did the casting the audition, Matt Solomon,
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 5: he came in with that Dropt the Mike character. So
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 5: he did his own spiel and we loved it so
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 5: much and we signed him, and then we and taught
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 5: our writer based his mannerism to write the character of
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 5: Drop the Mic. So, in other words, is that Drop
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 5: the Mic as really a creation of the actor Matt Solomon,
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 5: which is you know, if you if you see him
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 5: in real life talking to their life, he's the furthest
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 5: you know, a person from dropping my characters. He's incredibly nice,
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 5: incredibly kind. You know, he's not like over the top
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 5: or anything like that. He's like really meek, funny guy
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 5: that you know, kind of keeps to himself and all
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 5: of that. So, which is whatever you see on screen
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 5: is the complete opposite of the actual you know, MICUs
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 5: as the real person. But yeah, so that was his
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 5: character that he brought to it, uh, and we just basically,
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 5: like you know, we just tweak it to pay more
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 5: much so to the real bloggers out there, But that
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 5: was his creation in a.
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 3: Sense, that's pretty awesome because you know, you're essentially saying
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: he has a completely different off screen vibe than he
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: does on screen. Usually for some actors you kind of
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 3: have some sort of you know, a mad yeah, bleedover.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 3: But so you're saying he's a completely different person on
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 3: screen as he is off screen. And I kind of
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: like that because, like, that's pretty funny that he just
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 3: brought this kind of weird, quirky character on screen and
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 3: now he's he's very you know, shy and kind of
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 3: reserved off screen.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 1: So that's that's pretty.
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: Cool, awesome. Yeah, I let him know, like he's getting
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of great feedback from them, but he also
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: got a lot of haters as well.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 3: Well, And that's that's the shitty thing, honestly. That's really
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 3: the shitty thing with found footage is like even the
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: paranormal activities on like Letterbox have like sub three stars,
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 3: and those are movies that you you've even said are masterpieces,
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 3: and I agree with you, Like the first Paranormal Activity
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: was one of the first movies to really kind of
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: fuck up, like My Psyche. It's just like, whoa, this
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 3: is insane. But they have like like I think the
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 3: first one is like a two point eight on letterbox,
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 3: which is like not something you would expect. So found
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 3: footage movies in general really don't get the love they
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 3: deserve because for some reason, an audience just I don't know,
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 3: like I can't they get.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 5: You know, they won't you know, they got shit upon
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 5: because well it's the case in point right. I can
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 5: tell you that, like when I first show follow Out,
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 5: your majority of people watched it, loved it. One of
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 5: my uncles absolutely hated it, right, and he was, you know,
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 5: he hated men's word. He's like, how are you even
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 5: calling this movie? This is using homemade cameras. You know,
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 5: He's like, this is not a movie. This is a
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 5: YouTube video, right, So immediately to him like he could
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 5: never get into it.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: He's like, no, this is not a movie. Right. So
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: and again he's an older gentleman as well.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 5: And from what a lot of the feedback I got,
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 5: you know, especially for the negative reviews. So we actually
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 5: did the the So we did we calculate it, you know,
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 5: we gotta we looked at the analytics that we have,
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 5: is that the majority of our bad reviews come from
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 5: the age group of forty five to sixty five. So
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 5: in other words, is that that's the demographic that absolutely
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 5: detests our movie.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: You know that makes sense.
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 3: I mean I get it like that, they just they
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 3: can't understand the movie that's filmed in this certain sort
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 3: of way like oh god, you're not you're not filming
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 3: it cinematically where people are not breaking the fourth wall.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: Oh god, I can't. I can't handle it because like
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 3: because like movies like this were like that's what I
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 3: love about found footage slash like POB style movies is
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 3: there's a connect to the audience where like they're looking
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 3: into the camera and like speaking to you on a
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 3: level of like, Okay, I can connect to this person,
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 3: and you know what, that makes me like that person
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 3: ultimately more in a movie than just someone I'm watching
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 3: on screen, because like I can connect to that person
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 3: on like a like a you know, like a spiritual
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 3: level quote unquote, like oh my god, I get where
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 3: you're coming from. This is all very spooky and you
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 3: don't understand what's happening, and it's it's kind of it's
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 3: kind of it kind of sucks that people just can't
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: you know, really you know, like relate to people on
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 3: that level of like, oh, I you're talking to the camera.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: I can't do it. It's it's really it's really bizarre.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, you guys being found with its
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 5: fans and you already know film footage is the sort
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 5: of genre that devisive in the first place. Is that
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 5: you know, out of ten people, probably maybe three will
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 5: be okay with it.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: The rest of them are you know, not calling a cinema, right.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 5: So we you know, it's like it's before a movie
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 5: was even launched. We got about forty percent of our
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 5: reviews came from overseas, and with you know, one star
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 5: reviews from overseas. Here's the thing, though, our movie never
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 5: left the United States. How the fuck do people overseas
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 5: have seen it and can't give us a rating of
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 5: one star? And this was before we release it out
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 5: in theaters, right, So so it goes you know, our
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 5: marketing directors.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: Say, yay, yeah, guys, you guys made a film footage movie.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: What do you expect?
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 5: You know, it's it's it's it's an uphill battle that
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 5: that's something that you know, I guess already I did
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 5: learned to accept it. But I'm glad that we that
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 5: you know that we do have champions something like you guys, well.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 3: Of course yeah, and like and you know we have
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 3: there's a whole that whole found footage group you're a
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 3: part of, is like we will always champion these movies
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: because like they're important. They're well, first of all, they're important.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 3: They add a sense of realism to the plot because yeah,
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 3: I like, I love like I'll give you an example,
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 3: like Mike Flannagan. I love his movies and he has
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 3: a very cinematic way of presenting his films and they're
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 3: very real. But for some reason, found footage movies just
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 3: have this certain sense of realism that you can connect to,
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 3: Like this is something that I would do if I
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 3: were to film a weekend at a haunted hotel, and
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 3: it's just very real and visceral. So it's something that
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: I can relate to on a different level. And I
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 3: guess I guess most people can because they're like, oh,
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 3: you're you're you're using found footage as a cheap way
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 3: to get into the into the movie, you know, genre
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 3: or whatever, and it's like, no, it's it's actually a
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 3: pretty niche audience that people really enjoy watching especially for
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 3: me and Corey. It's just like, you know, like I
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 3: could literally there was a point in time where when
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 3: we were started Quarantine, I watched like a hundred different
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 3: like found footage movies, and I I.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 4: Think I got up to like thirty five bros like
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 4: I can't do it.
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: I love I love found footage.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 3: I will watch it until my eyes bleed just to
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 3: see different styles, different variations. And this was done so
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 3: well just because of the fact that it was found
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 3: footage pov vlog style. There were so many different like
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 3: things you threw into this movie. And then also really
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 3: cool ghost effects too.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, come on, yeah, and like that are that
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 4: are ninety percent practical too?
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah with the head flipping back, I mean god, when
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 3: I saw that, I lost my shit.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, that looks so goddamn real. And which is.
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 4: Why I would say that as a found footage movie,
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 4: this this is a I would call it like almost
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 4: a milestone movie in found footage, because it's it's such
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 4: a new novel take on how it goes, and it's
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 4: it shut again. The framing and the shots are done
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 4: so well that it's way more accessible to everyone, so
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 4: it allows for the layman to kind of get into it,
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 4: because it's not all shaky cam ooga booga stuff jumping
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 4: out of bushes at you like.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 1: Like Mike, is that yeah?
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 5: I mean that was all intentional because I do know that,
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 5: you know, like that's one of the decisions that we
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 5: made from the get go is and we know that,
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: One of the decisions.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 5: The key decision is say, hey, do we make this
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  Speaker 5: to satisfy the film footage fan base, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: stick to the rules, or do we make a movie
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  Speaker 5: that is you know, except that is I guess most
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  Speaker 5: mainstream available, so that way, I guess more people would
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  Speaker 5: have access to it.
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  Speaker 2: Although you know, albeit we were sure that we.
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  Speaker 5: Would get a lot of hate from you know, hardcore
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  Speaker 5: film footage fan that, you know, because of how many
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  Speaker 5: rules we broke. So we understood that from the get go,
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  Speaker 5: but we we took the risk when I got you know.
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  Speaker 2: Forget it, like I said, it's his experience.
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  Speaker 5: I just need that now and in thirty minutes of
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 5: your time, if I kept your intention on them, you
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  Speaker 5: can hate on me afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine, And I would love to see that was
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  Speaker 1: I need.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, you said you there was like an hour fifty
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  Speaker 3: minute like director cut, like I mean, please, for the
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  Speaker 3: love of God, like email that to me, and like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I would love to see an extra because this was
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  Speaker 3: an hour of thirty eight. I believe an extra twenty
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  Speaker 3: minutes I would I would love to see an extra
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  Speaker 3: twelve to twenty minutes of this movie. You even said
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 3: like originally it was like two hours twenty minutes the
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  Speaker 3: first cut, like I mean, yeah, more dialogue, yes, like
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  Speaker 3: I'm about it, Like there was so many there was
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  Speaker 3: so many good crafted scares and so much like well
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  Speaker 3: set up plot that I could have actually enjoyed more dialogue,
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  Speaker 3: which is something I never say, like like oh I
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 3: need more dialogue. No, no, no, I could actually say out
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  Speaker 3: of this like I honestly that would have been That
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  Speaker 3: would actually been cool.
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  Speaker 4: Especially with a found footage horror movie, because when you say, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there's like twenty extra minutes of dialogue that hash out,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Mike's relationship with people, I'm like, Okay, the
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  Speaker 4: way this world is built, I can get behind that.
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  Speaker 3: That's like something's something that's like something Ari Astor said
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  Speaker 3: because he made Midsommar and it was like two hours
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  Speaker 3: and twenty minutes, and he's like, oh, there's a there's
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  Speaker 3: a thirty minute extra director's cut. And I'm like like,
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I don't know if I can do
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 3: a three hour movie. Like, holy shit, that's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of talking, because there's already a lot of talking in
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  Speaker 3: that movie. But this was more just like boom boom boom, like, hey,
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 3: we're getting to the next scene. There's this, there's that,
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  Speaker 3: Like I almost wanted more talking out of this, which
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 3: is weird because I never I never say that for movies,
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  Speaker 3: like hey, hey, put more dialogue in there.
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, suck me up with that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean like it's it's you know, it is you know,
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  Speaker 5: there's something that I'm thinking about, like seriously thinking about.
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  Speaker 5: But I guess it's all depends on whether or not
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  Speaker 5: there's enough to man because if I'm going to, you know,
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  Speaker 5: work on on a director's cut, it just wouldn't be
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 5: you know, one of my rules is the filmmakers, and
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 5: I'm going to put something out, it's got to be polished.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 5: It's got to be how I wanted to be instead
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 5: of you know, a quick cash gag grab.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: So that's why if I were to release a you know,
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  Speaker 5: if it were to recut it, you know, or add
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  Speaker 5: in all the scenes that I really want it to
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 5: make it more of a psychological terror than anything, then
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  Speaker 5: the pacing will be different, Like I would actually, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we do have scenes that we can actually
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 5: create scares out of as well, but I would actually
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 5: make it more instead of the feeling you guys have
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 5: right now, which is more fast paced, scary and so on.
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: And so forth.
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  Speaker 5: But the but you know, if we were to do
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 5: a director's cut, it will be more of a psychological
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 5: terror rather than you know, than what you see now. Well,
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of characters building, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: shots that are ominous, like you know that foreshadows what's
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 5: going to happen to you know, the fiance for example, right, So,
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  Speaker 5: so we did foreshadow that in one of the bedroom
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 5: scene that they telling to one another, right, And unfortunately
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 5: we didn't put it in the movie, or if we
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 5: didn't put it in this cut.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: Just because of the pace of reason.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, to answer your point is, yeah, it's it's
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 5: just certainly possible.
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  Speaker 2: There's enough demand for it. I'll certainly recut the two hour.
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  Speaker 5: Cut, but it will be a different feeling, you know,
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 5: it'll be like two different movies.
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 3: Well, if you, uh, I know, you talked about at
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 3: some point doing at least a Blu Ray of the
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 3: cut that you have now on Amazon, would that be
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 3: something that you would maybe consider adding to the Blu ray?
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 3: You know, like, hey, here's here's the director's cut on
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 3: the Blue Ray, or even like, hey, there's there's some
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 3: added scenes that you could see that we're supposed to
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 3: make it into the original cut. Is that something that
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 3: you might consider doing if even if you get like
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 3: a Blu Ray release, because I'll buy that no matter
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 3: what if you release a Blu Ray, I'm buying it,
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 3: no matter what content extra release of it. But is
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 3: that something maybe you would consider doing with the Blu
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 3: Ray release?
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 5: Well maybe for this one, you know, for the for
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 5: the one that they're planning for genuine we'll probably not
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 5: we won't have enough time to recut everything else, but
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 5: we actually would have enough time to basically put extras
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 5: like you know, like the baby thing I was talking about.
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, like real like you know, real life haunting whatever.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 2: So we will put it.
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  Speaker 5: There, and we'll probably I will put like put a
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 5: couple of deleted scenes, like so yeah, the bedroom scene
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 5: with Mike and his fiance in the beginning, which didn't
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 5: make it to the movie. I totally would put it there.
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 5: I'll put an extra blog on it as well. In fact,
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 5: actually there is an extra block that is already cut.
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 5: It's on Facebook under Drop the Mic. You guys can
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 5: actually see that blog.
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  Speaker 2: I believe. I'm not sure they're still up, but we.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: We sorry, go ahead, continuing.
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 5: We created we created like three different blocks, like actual
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 5: blocks for Drop the Mic, and we created the website
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 5: or Facebook for Drop the Mic. And obviously that the
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 5: platform that it has not been updated. It's in twenty sixteen,
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 5: because you know, we wanted to make it realize that's
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 5: it dropped was a real person and he actually disappeared
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 5: after twenty sixteen.
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 3: That's so that's dude, that is so fucking cool that
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 3: you wanted to create like the more behind like this
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 3: guy actually disappearing. Like that's that's the stuff I like
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 3: in filmmakers. It's it's like make this shit real.
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 4: It's that Blair Witch style.
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that like that like ship presentation of like, hey,
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 3: you know, these people actually went missing in the woods.
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 1: Here's their posters, help us find them.
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 3: That's cool that you actually went to that extent of like, hey,
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 3: you know there's a media side for this guy.
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to him. Sorry, that is
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: so cool. Cool.
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  Speaker 2: Well actually yeah, I'm just clicking. Yeah, it's still there.
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 5: So if you go on to you know, Facebook, and
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 5: go and look for drop the Mic and then drow
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 5: the Mic, that's one of the videos call Drop the
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 5: Mic HILLSI Strangler episode.
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 2: That is like an un Yeah, it's like a minute
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  Speaker 2: and a half.
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 3: Uh blog feel like, oh my god, that's so amazing.
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm rewatching it again. So I haven't seen an
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 5: a lot. It's actually funny.
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  Speaker 3: Oh and one, it has been amazing talking to you.
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 3: Is there is there anything else you want to say?
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 3: Like anywhere people can follow you contact you, I mean
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 3: go ahead.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well I mean you can.
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 5: You know again, I'm new at this Twitter thing, but
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 5: you know, I go into my marketing manager, I should
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 5: have one.
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 2: So I do have one now. It's called it's at
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 2: Antoine La. My name is A A N T O
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 2: N E and one LA sixteen.
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 5: That's my handle for Twitter, uh, for Facebook, and and
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 5: and and Instagram.
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 2: I think you just looked me up by my.
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 5: Name should be there and I'm not famous or anything
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 5: like that, so that should only be one profile.
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 4: And you have a very you have a very like
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 4: prominent Facebook photo.
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 1: You're you're hard to miss.
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I've been like all of those.
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 5: Honestly, they just they just created recently because you know
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 5: now that I'm actually a filmmaker, full flash filmmaker.
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 2: And then then so so.
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 5: My manager basically wanted me to have those for my
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 5: future projects.
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 2: That's why not happened.
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 5: But yeah, if he hasn't followed me, just go on,
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 5: uh come find me on Facebook, Uh, just under my
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 5: name antwine Le. Same with Instagram and on Twitter. It's
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 5: just antwine A sixteen.
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 3: Perfect all right, go ahead and stand on the line
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 3: for me. I'm gonna go ahead and sign off here
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  Speaker 3: to all our follow all our listeners, everybody, thank you
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 3: for tuning in so much. This has been Antoine Lee,
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 3: Austin Proctor, Corey Johnson for Frightmares. Uh please tune in
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  Speaker 3: next week and until then, stay tuned and stay spooky.
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  Speaker 2: To h